No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 449: KPMG Women's PGA/Travelers Recap

Episode Date: June 28, 2021

We recap a fun week spent at the KPMG Women's PGA, Nelly Korda's dominant win, our biggest takeaways from being on site, the future of women's golf with a new world number one, and a ton more from Atlanta. We also recap Kramer Hickok and Harris English's duel, the new Ryder Cup standings, arm lock putting, and other stories from this week in golf.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Randy, good evening, Sally. Thanks for having me on your program. Neil is here as well, also from the mountain time zone on this evening. Neil, hello. The strap, boys, are out West, baby. We're going to be reunited, getting a vent out here and some other fun stuff going on this week.

Happy to be back in mountain time. I'm excited to finally be podcasting a clean two hours after we were scheduled to go on the air after the longest playoff I've ever witnessed, I think. And what they did, what they just called one of the great shows of our time, which listen, I would personally categorize it a little bit differently, 15 bars in a birdie a little differently than that. But yeah, was it planned on doing a whole lot of traveler stuff today? I feel like I watched, I got my full PGA tour fix today. I could tell you a lot about the 18th hole if you need to know anything.

And 17 got it. Well, I got a pretty good idea of what's going on on that whole. What do you think they should do off the tee? Do you think they should hit driver or do you think they should hit driver? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, the way the ball's bounced down from the right. I mean, pretty, pretty stress free shot there. That putt it just done break as much, you know, one break as much. You know, it doesn't move right.

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you know, Schuster tends to airmail green's character issues like that. All right, I, uh, we got let's start KPMG women's PGA, Nelly Corda has won her first major at the age of 22. Neil and I spent a good amount of time this past week at Atlanta Athletic Club. I'm going to go to Randy first here, as our resident LPJ expert if I may say. Just give you the floor to apologize.

This is so disgusting. I have nothing to apologize for. My Nelly takes have been well thought out. They've been reasoned. They've been perfect if I might say so myself Would what would the readers digest version B of of the takes from from past weeks? I had concerns that she wasn't winning a major. I Have said it's time. I said there are hints just notes, you know, maybe more on the back You know late notes like you're drinking a glass of wine. I didn't want to turn

it into maybe like a rickier. Somebody that, you know, it was time to put a major on the board and she did it today this week, a true coronation. This is disgusting slander, Sally. I feel like you've put her close to being under deathbed at the age of 20. Yeah, many people will say you're already eulogizing her, which is tough for you being in. I didn't hear you use the word deathbed anywhere in that apology. And you didn't apologize. And I think that word was used because she was that there was no death watch.

And first of all, I'll have everybody know you can't be put on a death watch if you've never won a major. Like that, it just doesn't happen like that. Because you were never born to begin with. Exactly. Exactly. So the ins you were never born to begin with. Exactly. Exactly. So the insinuations are our total garbage.

I am so far above the fold on this. Really, I've been a thought leader when it comes to Nelly. I think so. Well, I don't think you got sucked into the hype. You wanted to see it. You wanted to see the proof is kind of what you're trying to argue now. Well, a little bit. Yeah, yeah. You know, she's mega tight. This was the coming out party that

everybody was hoping for was expecting, which is a little unfair, but when you're that talented and you flash that much potential, I think it's, you know, it's natural for people to, all right, let's see it on the biggest stage. Let's win a major and let's get this career really rocking. And I'm just thrilled for her, for women's golf. Like, you know, I've talked about the Ann Nichols multiple times over the last couple of years. American golf has been starved for a superstar that they can really market around.

You know, probably nobody since Michelle We West has, has an American female golfer just been at the forefront of a lot of the general public's mind. And I think Nelly Corda is not there yet, but I think she has a ton of requests to market around and really, really build the game and draw new fans, new eyeballs into the sport.

So I think it's a great, great day for women's golf, in my opinion. And I'm excited to, Randy, because I want to first say that it was never a good excuse or reason not to to tune in, but no longer do lazy fans have the excuse that, hey, it's just the Asian players. They're dominating this game now because the 22 year old blonde American girl just is now the number one player in the world and just won a major by three and was nine clear of third place, right? So if that was the excuse you were using to not watch women's golf or reason you were using, now you no longer have that. And I hope that that stereotype falls down completely, that it's almost like a statue toppling down.

So people can start to appreciate what's going on out there. Neil and I had a great week out there. And we're just talking, we're around the dinner table on Tuesday night talking with Lauren Cogland, who's one of the women we sponsor on the LPGA tour. Just talking about the women's game and promoting it and why the momentum doesn't seem to be there. And it's just kind of like dawned on me.

It was like all of the things that are holding it back, you can't possibly go to the tournament and watch the players play and say, you know what, it's the lack of talent. Like that's what it is. They're just like they're not good enough at golf. Like in no way is that even remotely true and that could really just kind of dawn on me like today,

or this week, I guess, that it just was super hammered home to the point where I was like, all right, now with the new commissioner, let's get creative on how we display that talent, right, how we embrace it and how we market it to the wider golf audience. Because people are, people are in our ass like, how can you fake this much excitement for women's golf? I get like, I can't ignore it, not fake.

There's not some, like KPMG does bring us out to the tournament. Of course, like that's very evident. We're upfront about that. But like, I promise you, this is not like a big financial windfall for us to now just totally switch gear to the LPGA. It's definitely what we would, how we want to be spending our time and we think it's worth viewers and listeners time as well. So long winded. I jump in there and say this was my first experience at LPGA event, and I feel like I'm, you know, pretty into golf. But, you know, I've watched a lot of it on TV

and a couple of things stuck out to me. To your point, Sally, there's, it's not, there's the only difference to me in talent out there was they just don't hit it quite as far. But the shot making and every other aspect of the game is on par or sometimes better, or even easier to watch because the swings are so smooth, I can kind of get a better sense of easier to watch because the swings are so smooth,

I can kind of get a better sense of like why they hit the ball so good. It's just really fun to watch. And when you're standing on, we were standing on, I can't think it was like six or seven T. And we turned around and it's like, look how far back the men are playing.

It's just kind of outrageous. It's like what's the point? Like we're still, they're still hitting, the strategy the course isn't changing for the women Like, it was fun to see them playing at a place like Atlanta Athletic Club where I have a ton of context for the men playing there. And, yeah, the overall just the vibe out there, I think I put it on Twitter earlier this week, feels like it makes me imagine what the PGA tour was like in the 70s and 80s. More laid back,

more of just kind of traveling around, everyone knows each other. There's just a lot of good vibes, feels like everybody's rooting for each other. It feels like they're happy to have us there, the fans there. It's not like you're on eggshells the whole time feeling like you're going to mess up. It's almost like before the big money was involved on the PGA tour. That's what I think, that's my theory. But I had an awesome week out there. And the only argument that I would understand with people saying, I don't want to watch women's golf is that, I've got 20 years of context with the PGA tour. So it's easier to watch PGA golf. It is work. I was out there asking you a ton of questions, asking Lauren a ton of questions.

What's her story? What's the deal here? Well, that's a great swing. Oh, she played it, Duke, you know, like she, you know, she was awesome in college and it's like, I don't have that context. So it does, it is going to take some work, but it's, it's, if you embrace that, it's kind of nice to get into something new, similar to how we've all gotten into like Formula One recently. So if you're looking for something, there's a ton of stories out there and there's just a ton to dig into. And I would say, you know, like, Solid, your podcast was Stacy Lewis at the start of the week. Like, you know, one thing we try to do, Neil, because I think you're exactly right.

You know, people just need entry points. We just got to shine the light on it. Sometimes watching LPGA can be hard quite honestly because of the coverage I think that's one thing we we harp on but it's out of a place of like We just want to see it get better because it's such a good product and I think a lot more people would really really enjoy it If they could get into it and if it was easier to watch so my argument there would be look at the calendar And if there is a tournament in your area an LP event, it is such a good in-person experience. And I think that was what, you know, I was missing. Like that's my first one. You are actually able to watch golf and you can walk from hold

a hole at no point that I never, the day I ever not have a view. A perfect, I could stand anywhere I wanted to outside the ropes and you just felt like you were, you were part of it, especially if you, you know, I followed one group like all day, and it was awesome. I just really enjoyed it because it didn't feel like I was trying to, oh, I wanna go watch Speed, but like it's 10 deep, so I can't get close to him. It's like, well, no, I'm gonna go watch Inbee Park

who's a total legend, and the first shot I watch, he sinks like a 60 foot birdie butt on 18. Like truly, the first golf shot I saw, like in like a 60 foot birdie putt on 18. Like truly the first golf shot I saw like in the tournament. I was pretty sure when that happened. It was awesome. I know. We were just happy to see you're coming up 18 when we were starting our day. I was like, oh my god, that's going to go in. And it was incredible. And that's where there isn't a huge skill gap between the PGA and the LPGA other than just off the tee, the distance. And then in some ways, watching how straight they hit the ball

is even more impressive sometimes than what the men do. So, you know, sign me up for the next LPGA event. And I think in person really kind of drills that home for me. Well, yeah, couple thing. I'm with you, Randy, like I don't look at a swear by the TV product. I'm not gonna swear by like, oh, you're missing out if you're not watching this on TV, right?

Because our thoughts on men's golf on TV are well documented and I wouldn't say that, you know, the LPJ coverage is industry leading, right? It's a diet version of that, less cameras, less crew. And I think the team that's out there does a fairly good job and it's very familiar with the product and is doing the absolute best that can under extreme financial limitations

is the best way I would describe it. But it really does stand out in person. I'm on a high, it was one of the most fun weeks I've had this year, it was being out there all week really. So that's awesome. I'm really glad to hear that. So all right, I know you and I have been to a couple of KPMG specifically in the past

and had a great time. We can get into this, but KPMG specifically in the past and had a great time. You know, we can get into this, but KPMG specifically, I think deserves a lot of credit for the event that they put on on the ground for the players, the experience there. Neil Bosphair, you enjoyed your first time. So I don't know where you want to go from here, so I. I had a few more contextual things that kind of blew my mind, speaking of Nelly Corda specifically. I'll find it hard to believe an American hadn't won a women's major since 2018. Angel Stator.

Yeah, exactly. It's been three years. I mean, think about that. And she now becomes the first American woman to be ranked number one in the world since 2014. Stacey Lewis. So a couple of big droughts that ended today. So that's why I think, you know, it's like, well, why is this such a big deal with Nelly? Like, you know, American female golf, like I said earlier, it's just they're waiting for for that next big person

that can that can really elevate the sport. And everybody's hopeful that's that's Nelly. So. Well, and Nelly's Nelly's talent is is is prodigious the word like it's it's essentially dominant. It's not wow, she's an incredible putter and it's going to like she's a very good putter. She chips well. She hits her, her irons, she doesn't even need to hit very many irons because she leaves herself so many wedges. She hits it. I mean, she doesn't bomb the ball, but in terms of LPGA stat, like she has a hundred, you know, she was touching 155 miles an hour ball speed, which is, is up on the upper end of the LPGA tour, but I mean, everyone's seen that golf swing,

and it, I walked that golf course, watched her hit a couple shots early in the week and was like, very easy on who my pick was gonna be. I was like, oh my God, this is a dream set up for her and then her putter just went off on Friday and Saturday and she, I mean, credit's a Lizette Salas too, who finished just three shots back and she finished six shots clear a third place.

And the opposite kind of game. Yes. I mean, she could she didn't hit it anywhere. Right. That's another thing about the LPGA is it. I don't have enough. I know I'm not going to be able to flesh this out. Okay. I don't I can't tell you why this necessarily is in my head. It's going to make sense. Maybe you guys can help me. But the scale at which they play is more likely to yield different playing styles than the PGA tour style. Even though, like, if you technically look at the yardages they play, like it usually plays pretty long for how they hit it blah, blah, blah, Beth and Nichols has written about that. We've talked about that. But it just the way it played out between Lisette and Nelly, like it, you're not out of it by not being able to hit it far.

And that I found refreshing as well. Like there was no, it was tough for Nelly to get around Lisette, even though she was hitting the par 5s and 2 and getting to holes in spots that Lisette couldn't get to. And I found the contrasting styles enjoyable to watch. Lisette's pace of play aside. I think that was a fun part of the about a watch. You know, Lizette's pace of play to a side. I think that was a fun part of the part of the duel to watch. And the same contrasting styles. I was falling Lauren Coglin all day Thursday and she's playing with Mo Martin also playing pretty slow.

The little say deliberate, maybe slow Mo Martin. Yeah, you didn't play good. You didn't play good enough to play deliberate. You got to be playing final mid-stab of a liberator. And she's hitting the ball maybe 220 off the tee. And Laurence, she's hitting it, you know, out there, 260 and and hitting every fairway, which is great. Watching Mo Martin hit fairway wood after fairway wood into the center of the green was mesmerizing. Like true, like it and I think that's a factor too with just technology. I feel like the fairway woods are a total game changer. Like, I wonder what the women's game was like

before they had the hybrids and kind of the, they didn't have to play the long irons out of the back. Because I really think that's, they can, the way they were able to loft it up from 200, you know, to the center of the green is really, really impressive. So, I want to jump in just to piggyback on what you said about the different styles being able to compete.

One, it's refreshing right now. And I've given that a little bit of thought to, and again, I just like, you know, preface this like totally half baked, just the hypothesis, but just like you know, preferences like totally half baked just the hypothesis, but it seems to me, it seems to me that the women's game is a little bit behind the men's game in terms of the physical revolution

that I think we've seen on the men's side over the last 10 plus years. And we're starting to see bits and pieces of it. I mean, honestly, the women's game right now, it kind of reminds me of like pre-tiger era, PGA, where, hey, tons of different styles, never quite know who's gonna win a major. And in that same token, it seems like it's ripe. And a lot of this would be tiger woods and some of

the other athletes that have come in the last, you know, 20 years or so that no doubt are influencing the next crop of female golfers on the way. It just seems ripe that somebody is going to revolutionize the women's game with distance with a total package that's like, oh shit, this is, this is a whole new sport all of a sudden. And I think, you know, Patty Tavitanikik kind of has hints of that a little bit. She's certainly longer, much longer than average. I don't know, you know, I'm certainly not comparing her

to Tiger, I think that's unfair to her or anybody. But it seems to me like somebody is gonna come along where it's like, oh, not only are they hitting it to 90, 300, but they have all the other skills to go along with it. So just some I'm curious to see over the next four, five, six years on the women's side. Yeah, it's not even and Nelly is not a bombing gouger. Like she gets a ton of fairways.

And this brings to another point like, hopefully soon, and this was announced this week is as far as the statistical innovation that's going to be coming to women's golf courtesy of of KPMG is like an actual statistical database. Like I don't know how to equate like how many strokes gain now he gets off the tee versus how good her putter is, how good her approach play is. We can't have never been able to do that on the LPGA tour, which just limits the different ways you can talk about it, and limits the broadcasters on, we're laying their talents to the viewers,

and it permeates through so many different levels of the game. And it's something that I'm really looking forward to. And just I did a lot of thinking about driving that to and from Atlanta this week too, of just like, what's gonna, what is what the future of the LPGA tour looks like, right? And how it's gonna change, and it's hard to, what is, what the future of the LPGA tour looks like, right? And how, how it's going to change. And it, it's hard because it takes like whatever the investment is in shot length of the

PGA tour has paid dividends in so many different ways, right? Yet it's not something that's a realistic expense from what I gather for the LPGA tour. So how do you bridge that gap? How do you feed data to gamblers? How do you feed data to, you know, do you feed data to you know media people to broadcasters and to players and It seems like a good start that they've got with KPMG on board for how this is going to work But it seems also pretty manual and and I don't know you know how immediate this impact is going to be I think and then they're not pitching it as being immediate. This is more of a long-term play,

but I'm curious what you guys think of that. Well, it's good to see a start. Yeah, you know, like we got to start somewhere, having the caddies log the stats. I mean, I almost feel like it's kind of like my goal this year to track my own stats. You got to start somewhere with something easy and then maybe innovate from there.

I don't know. It's a lot for the something easy and then maybe innovate from there. I don't know, it's a lot for the caddies for very little amount of money. Do those guys. I wonder it's like doing, you know, I'm in contention, like maybe they're going to start just kind of fudging the numbers a little bit. Like, I think it was this. So how accurate can it be? I mean, we really want to get Randy his, how many feet of putts made stat like, we got to keep it accurate. So you got to maybe reward the caddies a little bit more if you're going to kind of lay all the stat work on them in the beginning. Yeah, I agree. You know, don't let perfect get in the way of better or however that expression goes right. Gotta start somewhere. It's so needed. You know, just talking to this Karen Stuples,

who does one of those people that does a wonderful job on the broadcast. You know, this has been her crusade. Like it would add so much value to broadcast. It adds so much value to everybody, right? You said broadcasters fans. It adds so much value to the players themselves. I'm sure a lot of players somehow track their own stats and maybe even have a stroke gained method to utilize, but just having that available for the players themselves would do a whole lot. So encouraging news, I think Kudos to KPMG, you know, I got to think there's another company or two, right? Like, can I pick on Deloitte, another big four accounting firm, like that VR app during the US Open,

how much money do they put into that? Like, like, there have to be some resources to direct it to like something that would be so impactful. Man, would seem like a win-win for everybody. So hopefully we can get there. Or maybe, like, you know, they, they, it looked like they did a rangefinder deal. Like, maybe there's something there where you could, you know, get, get those

linked up. Right. I know like, you know, precision pro, like our rangefinder company, they're working on a whole app and stat tracking thing. Like to make it less about the catty putting it on paper, like that, that to me, yeah, that's a start, but that doesn't feel like the answer. Like, I don't think that's going to get you what you need. But if range finders are legal now, you've got a tool out there you could use maybe. So hopefully they're thinking that way. I want to bridge this into into you know a couple of different aspects here. And the hypocrisy of doing an ad as we bridge it into the talking about to you. Is not lost on me here. So, but before I say that, but sorry, sorry, sorry,

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call 1 800 gambler or an Indiana 1 809 with it. Hey, oh, ooo. All right. Let me offer up one for the group. I caught myself almost starting to think back to Nelly, Lizette. I was like, man, was this set up kind of easy this week? Like, I wanted to play Div call.

And then saw your prime like, oh, wait a second. Like, Lizette was 16 under. And then the rest of the field was 10 under. Just hammering home how good that golf was in the final two. Some obviously, I think one of the big things, at least if you spend a lot of time on Twitter, Lizette's house is slow play. I have a couple of things here, but before I offer my opinion, you know, where do we come out on Lizette?

Did she deserve the scrutiny for her slow play? Was she getting no favors from the coverage? What do you guys think there? Couple of different things. So by the letter of the law, was she breaking the rule by playing slowly on mostly Saturday, it stuck out out the most but also there were times on Sunday The answer to that is no especially when you're playing the last group if you are not out of position There are no timed requirements for how long it should take you to play a shot and the one thing

I will say in her defense is there is there is an art to this in professional golf of not playing too quickly when you have nowhere to go. You have nothing else to do. You are going to wait on the next shot. I have done this in tournaments when in pace is slow. I will just make myself take a lap around the hole to avoid, you know, having getting impatient and waiting to play the next shot, right? And that is, there is something to that, especially when you're playing with somebody like Nelly who gets up and hits it so freaking fast. To that point, I think honestly, Nelly should,

and if she's gonna be in this many final groups, at least be aware of how fast she's playing when she has nowhere to go and how that could have an impact on her in the future. There's a lot of things factor into, and Rainy made this point on Twitter as well, the LPJ coverage obviously has way less cameras in play. They have way less things to cut to.

They're gonna show all of LaZet's houses pre-shot routine. It is gonna take a minute and a half, but if they're not out of position, that's not breaking a rule. I'm caught in between, like it's not great. It, I was kind of hoping they would get out of position at some point today and she would get put on the clock. So we wouldn't have to see that.

I think that's unfair to your playing partners It is to a certain extent but and we can talk about the Fossi thing that happened and it's important for people to know That it's not if you're not out of position It's not illegal to take that long over a shot which Slowplay is Gonna be as always been and is gonna be really hard to police for a lot of reasons and we're gonna to see the penalty that Maria Fosse got and some issues I have with the penalty that she got as an example of like, if you set hard line rules on this stuff, it's going to be weird and difficult to police because you have to apply it. If the rule based on how the rule is written and the way they did it with her,

I'm now I'm like, well, that rule is really written, written wrong. But before we do Fossy thing, what, what, anything there do you want to react to, Randy? No, I, I, I think, I, I think you nailed it. Having them playing three sums on Saturday was kind of dumb. Where I, like, I, I get, oh, we have this TV window, like, I get why they put them in three sums. I don't like it. They should be in two sums on the weekend of a major if weather is not a factor. But that just fed into it too, right? As you said, so, you know, I think they played in like the final group four hours, maybe a touch over, but it's not like they were playing in five and a half hours today. So I think it was a bit of a tough spot for, you know, between the coverage, between playing with somebody who is on the fast side of the spectrum, just tougher. And I hate that. I hope that's not people's big

takeaway of Lizette Salas because she has a wonderful story and she played really, really freaking good golf this week. Could she be faster? Yeah, sure. But she's not alone on any tour on earth in, you know, in saying that. So I don't know. I guess that's where I nut out. So it's a little unfortunate all the way around. So I was out there on Saturday and I was falling Madeline Sackstrom, who was playing in the group ahead of him. And, and, you know, kind of watched him on 11, 12, 13.

I was kind of jumping between groups. Lizette is, you know, decidedly slow. Like she plays slow. I think one thing, so I agree with everything you said, it's not breaking the rule, but one thing that I think makes it stand out more is that she's always playing first because she doesn't hit the ball anywhere.

And so then Nelly and whoever else is playing with her, you know, have to wait on her to go. So I'd every and every fairway, she's, you know, basically setting the pace for everybody. And then where it gets really slow is when they miss the green and then the chipping stuff gets, you know, they're looking at everything from every angle, like it's, you know, that's, that's tough. But I think the fact that she's playing first, you know, every hole it doesn't do her any favors. So then when we flip over to Maria Fossi getting penalized this week, got a two shot penalty playing

her ninth hole, the 18th hole on Friday. She was, she finished at one over, was penalized and went to three over and missed the cut by one shot. That's tough for somebody that's working through a lot of stuff and we could talk about some of that. But what she was penalized for was the average amount of allotted time for the total strokes taken on the 18th hole. Okay? She birdied the 18th hole. So she took four strokes. So they took the amount of time. It took her to play those four shots, divided it by four. And if it was over whatever that number is, I think it's 40 seconds, you get penalized for that. Now, if she'd have missed the birdie putt and made a five and tapped it in in a short amount of time,

she would not have gotten penalized to shots for it. That's interesting. Yeah, that's interesting. It's a tough one. It's not a little wall situation there. Yeah, it's just not a great policy. And I think that's what every tour is struggling with right now is just, how do you police it in a consistent, fair manner?

And I, you know, I have ideas. I'm sure we all have ideas, but it's, yeah, it's hard. I think it, a simple way is if you're, I like, if you're're out of position 40 seconds to play a shot is fair for everyone And if you're not out of position 60 seconds is more than reasonable time to play a shot and you have Let's call it two Time-outs that you can use two times you can go over and around that are like if the wind switches if that you know Not to be abused, but if you have

something that takes a certain amount of time for any reason, something like that along those lines would prevent, I mean, Lizette was routinely taking 90 seconds before shots, that at least prevents that, right? So something like that would I think be the best path for rather than just only getting penalized if you're out of position seems I don't know. What about taking a page out of the MLB playbook and just start randomly putting people on the clock, even if they're not like what they're doing with the pictures and the substances. Just start, you know, you're out of nowhere, just like blind timing. You know, the guy's in the trees, he's just got you on the clock and they can know it.

Just keep people on their toes. I think I'm kind of that's legit. One of the better ideas I've heard. Right? It's like mystery shopping. You know, people are trying to figure out if they're, you know, check out people are being nice or not.

It's like, yeah, you know, you never know. Like this could be the whole that you're being, you're on the clock once every tournament, you know, or every two tournaments, you're gonna be on the clock. Like that's, and you just don't know when it's gonna be. That's like, you're gonna be on the clock. Like that's, and you just don't know what it's gonna be. That's like, you're talking double-secret probation and hell, like, and I like it. Hell yeah.

Cause then it's on, then it's on, it's top of mind. It's like, okay. Right. You know, it's like, kind of like how we feel when we're playing that muneys and someone's riding up on you, you're like, man, I got it, you know, I don't want that. I got to stay, I got to stay in position, man. Can't have that on my conscience. Yeah. On a different note, Atlanta, sorry, we've got enough slow put. Atlanta athletic club, we got a question from Brad Beckett. He said, is this woman's major too, too, too easy? He said, I can't imagine your reaction of scores or this low at a men's major. There was at no point that I walked Atlanta athletic club was on like, oh, yeah, this is this too easy for that.

And this is way too easy for them. No, it looked turned up and the pins were tough. I would say the front nine was significantly easier than the back nine. But you know, I think the fact that it was kind of a, you know, two players broke away and then the rest of the scores were kind of in the ballpark as far as a major goes, I think, around, you know, 10 under. I just think it's pretty good. On a par 72 with a whole that they moved up to create some interest with the driveable

four. Yeah, that's not low. That's really not. And Nelly went out and got 1900, but pros are going to shoot low scores on par 72s. In relation to par, they always are even on the women's level. They could have played the holes back further and it would not have been a better golf tournament. I applaud. I'm not the biggest carry Hague fan. I know people, there's a lot of people in professional golf that

praise everything he does. I think they nailed this one. It was just major championship setup. It rewarded really good play. I walked around that course, saw some of those pins and was just like, oh my god, like don't even touch those, don't even mess with those. And honestly, just watching the way Nelly played it was just like pretty much awe-inspiring. Of like that was just ears pinned back on a really tough setup and made it look like child's play.

And I can see why some people who think the reaction was that it was set up too easy, but the golf was honestly that good. Like no one else played that much golf this week and didn't run into a complete disaster. Lisette as well did not run into a bad stretch of holes. Every other player that got themselves into contingent, Celine Boudier had a second round 63 or 64. I forget what it was and couldn't stay in contention. You know, Danielle Kang had two over par rounds and still finished T5.

Julia Molinaro had a great first three days but only shot even par on the final round. Couldn't keep bogies off the card today. So I don't know. It was just supreme, supreme golf. And that's what got me. I know that's what I think contributed to the start of the show of talking about like this being like, I hate when you over assign majors to somebody

after they just win one, but like, this one feels like it could be a lot. It could be a lot. Is it time to play our favorite game? Oh yeah, let's play. Let's set the number. Career majors, Nelly Corda. Oh my gosh.

Neil, do you want to set as a relative newcomer? Would you like to set the over-runner number? Can you guys remind me how old is Nelly? She's 22 Um, I'll say 11 No, that's fantastic. Is that the number you are you we always set? I was gonna say three and a half. 11. Go ahead. 11 makes sure. Go ahead.

Oh my God. I was gonna say under three and a half, but I'm gonna go over 11 now just for fun. I think hold on. Let me see. Onica 11 or 12, I think. You asked for the next great American golfer. I'm giving it to you.

Do you think she's gonna be Is she gonna be the queen? That is such God. That's such a good line Neil. Um That's primo content. She went 10 on a guy's 10 majors on a gas 10 so so so So over on she's so she's for sure better than on a cut the question is will she be at least two better than she's 22 She's got a lot of years left. We got a lot of time. There's a lot of it bats left, guys. I want to think, think, I'm critically here. I want to say what the hell?

Let's go over. Okay, I'm going under. Play, play hard, Nelly. Best of luck, play hard. I'll just take the other side. I'll go under. No, and all series is solid. I feel the same thing. I think that's why I was trying to get earlier. This feels like, you know, like a lid lifting off. And, you know, hopefully she's just freed up to really play her best golf, continue playing her best golf over the next several years.

And I mean, if you consider sorry real quick, I mean, it's pretty crazy to think about before February of this year, Nelly had never won on American soil. And you know, she won at Game Bridge in Orlando in February. She won last week and now she wins a major this week. So her third win of just 2021. Yeah, the sky could be the limit over the next couple of years. Exciting stuff. And I want to say too, and it was kind of, I don't know if I weird the right word, the way you know, they were Steve Sands interviewing Jessica, her older sister, you know, after the round, kind of like almost, I don't know, trying to get something out of her in terms of like competitive, you know, competing against each other, almost trying to pull out some, some, almost

some bitterness. And we got a question from the leprechaun, yeah, which is great. You said, genuine, genuine honest question. At what point is it weird for Jessica that the younger court assistant is sister is the one on top right now, but glad to see she was pretty darn happy for Nelly. And honestly, like, I, I think this is like a endorsement of Jessica's role as an older sister in terms of support that at every stop from everyone you've ever talked to, like there's no sibling rivalry there. There's no, and that's not always the case with two professional athletes that are related. It does not always go over smoothly. And the mentorship that she's given, Nelly, through every stop and genuine excitement is

very of real thing. And I feel like the broadcasters were just trying to bring this thing of almost trying to introduce, is it weird that the younger sister has won one now and the older one hasn't? I'm not there for that. It's just not seem to be there in any way. That family has always really supported each other. And there's a bit of a template from tennis with the Williams sisters.

Right. And it seems like Venus has always been very comfortable in her own skin and comfortable with her career. And Serena's just a goat. That's how it goes. And she got to watch Venus grow up and Just got to do everything at every stop a little bit better because she had the benchmarks at so I would say it feels a Maybe a little similar here. Yeah, I'm with you, so I've you know, I don't know them well at all

But I've never gotten that vibe. I've always picked up of Jessica almost being protective and I almost take on a motherly role a little bit with Nelly from what I've just seen from afar and perceived. I will say though, I think Nelly, or excuse me, Jessica not having one a major, I think as long as she can get one of her own, then it's like, oh, Nelly, like, I'm all the way, you know, and not that I'm trying to introduce any sibling rivalry,

but like we're Venus, Venus, you know, Venus won a handful of majors herself. And so I'd be motivating. Yeah, for Jessica, right? Like, yo, yeah, you've got to go get one, you know, exactly. Don't get discouraged. Like you have every opportunity to do it yourself, you know. It's not like she's, it's not like she's Nelly's succeeding at Jessica's expense, right? It's like she's beating her directly, which in tennis would be a little bit even, you know, it's like Venus and Serena playing against each other. Like that's even more kind of black and white in this scenario and that's what Jessica said today too was like it's not like we're playing You know, it's not like test. We're playing against each other

It's like we're planning it's the golf course and she even said or like today I was playing against myself which I thought that was just I thought that was really good perspective on that as well so You mentioned Madeline Saxon our young hitter finished T15, had a tough Sunday. She was flirting around there on the lead there for a long, long time. She was, she was liturant. She had some bad intentions at one point, but. She did great on the front nine.

It felt like both days, especially Saturday. And then that back, I mean, the back nine kind of stood up as a tough test. She on Saturday, she'd struggle. She hit in the water. Gosh, she had a brutal like, speed on 12 ball on 15 short right in the water. Just can't do that and double. But then she came back and birdied 16 birdied 18 to finish strong. So that was like, that

was awesome. But yeah, I think, you know, great experience, right? I mean, top 10 in a top top 20. So I think what was she T 15 15? Yeah. So that's that's an awesome Result and let's let's go the young hitter stable We haven't gotten to make a clarinet come on. Oh, that's great. Randy Randy put it in the newsletter this week his prediction for the back half of 2021 was a young hitter is gonna get a win and Like clockwork Four days later. What do you, young hitter in the winter

circle on the symmetrical? Exactly. That was the first. No, we've had Brandon Matthews had a win for us on the Latin America tour, right? So it's our second win technically. Yeah, Madeline, great weekend, good experience. Neil, like you said, you know, going into the weekend, she was as in as good a position as she's ever been. So, you know, fingers crossed. Hopefully she's trying to, she's the type of

golfer too, where it's like, I feel like her game builds, right? And so hopefully this is a really good sign of things that come over the next few weeks. I also want to shout out her, her fit out there. She had on Shattered, she had white on white with like red pink socks. I mean, it was a powerful look. My fiancee Carson used to be like, man, that's a swaggy outfit. She's rocking. And she was playing with a better, that was wearing just a tough like red shorts on red hat with black.

She's like, man, it just the juxtaposition was great. Putting Madeline in a very good light. Last thing I had really on the on the broad scale was just the TV windows were a bit tough. Going out as you mentioned, going off in three sims then in the one to four window on Saturday so they could get to Olympic trials. We've talked about this on repeat in multiple weeks as to it being a weird NBC year and all that stuff, but Yeah, things don't seem great at NBC for golf fans, you know It's a lot of things working against us here. It made for really tough viewing Saturday

I thought Sunday was much better window. It happened to be ending right as we thought the PGA tour event was ending But of course it went on for two more hours But yeah, and they were on from 11 to three during the week. And then you had to pay for peacock premium to watch a women's major that just doesn't scream like the best way to grow this game. Yet I don't know where to place that blame really. If it's if it's KPMG for not buying enough hours from the networks, it's hard to go to that tournament

and be like, man, KPMG's really got up the sponsorship game. Because they set the whole then up, like it was, you know, a men's major. Like just from kind of an infrastructure standpoint, it felt like they rolled out all the stops for, you know, a fraction of the people that are going to be there. So I'm with you there, Sally. It's hard to blame the sponsor on that one. It just feels like it's all about the Olympics this year for NBC, right? I mean, they're just so so they're probably so stressed out about

Olympics and just it get postponed a year. It's it's got to be just a fire drill over there right now. Well, and it's it's also you know if KPMG saying all right, there's money's going towards it's four and a half million dollars per Which is one of the biggest ones if not the biggest and women's golf If that's where the money's going instead of buying more TV hours, like I get it. I think it's almost more on I don't know. I'd be talking on my ass. I don't know where the where. Yeah, and I'm with you in that. I don't know who to be angry with.

I guess. So I kind of just like to be angry with everybody. Griggy is going to scream at this guy. But I think what what I just found really hard was like peacock premium. But but it's just the normal golf broadcast. You're getting all the commercial breaks. So it's like, what are we doing? You know, I'm fine.

I got a cancel that right now. I'm like, I'm like, put it on peacock, show me the ads. Great. You know, I understand how you're you're making money here. But to have people pay for the premium service and then to run the same ad load at them is like, guys, that's, see, it just seems egregious. And I'm like, you like, and, and I've seen, you know, Molly Solomon at these women worth watching round tables. And she's the EP at NBC sports whatnot. It's like, what what gives, right? Like, are we trying to get the most eyeballs on the sport right now? Is this, is this a campaign that that you guys are behind or, or not? Because it just feels?

I don't know. I don't quite know what's going on. Well, they also, when are they going to rip the bandaid off on the the peacock stuff for feels like they've been Frontloading the the free the free stuff to get people to sign up and then they pick this week to Oh, now it's paid. There's just no, there's no communication about what's on what channel, like, because there's NBC sports gold, I guess that's going away. Peacock with ads, Peacock premium. I don't know. It's just confusing. Outside of golf, I'm just talking about as like, you know, a business, like they got to figure out like the messaging a little bit of like, they need to, they need to show me like a pricing graph, you know, like when you go to a website for a software company like the checkboxes like you get this in this package in this, you know, but I have no idea what's what comes with what right now.

Well, that's that's why you say that because there's a third peacock there's like a peacock premium plus that's, you know, $10 a month and next gen peacock. I like what's that? Yeah. What are we doing? Well, that includes does not have ads, but includes self promo ads, which within BC, we've is of course the Russian, the Russian nesting doll self promotion. That might as well be a full run of ads as well. So take it all away. Well, it was like HBO was getting lit up six months ago for HBO go HBO now HBO max and nobody could figure out what HBO was what you know and they they kind of they were getting you know dragged for it. And you know some like the business and media newsletters and now they've kind of seems like they tried to simplify it which NBC maybe we should maybe we should be beating this around that they need to get dragged for all peacocks the cloned peacocks. Comcastly. They're genetically modifying the peacock.

Yeah, to make the way the two main peacocks. They're all just they're just strutting around. You know, it's just come on. There's too many there's too many alpha peacocks overpopulation. Exactly. Well, it's TC would say you can't stop the cock. So I know we're going to move on, but real quick, I just wanted to highlight a few names. If you don't mind, a couple T5s, Danielle Kang, Patty Tavitanikit, just strong performances. Danielle's just always around. I love watching her play Grindr fiery. She's's gonna be great at the Soulheim this year. Patty, I felt like we talk about Bryson, being able to compete with not his A game.

That felt like this for Patty this week. She wasn't really competing, being finishing 11 shots back, but still tied for fifth and not really having the full game this week, I think speaks well to where she is. And then, you know, the only other one, this Leona McGuire, if folks, you know, aren't really don't know her. She was the best two-time Mark McCormick, best female amateur in the world, went to Duke, had a great career at Duke and is just putting it together this year on the

LPGA tour and I feel like she has been around the front page of the leaderboard seemingly for a few months now. So just wanted to give her a shout out as well. I think she was a three time player of the year in college and the one year she wasn't, it was Lauren Coglin, young hitter. Is that right? Yeah, that's great to bit. But actually, I was going to ask Sally and he you kind of stole my thunder there Randy like who after being out there who I don't

know major head turn or you're going to watch moving forward that you didn't know about it for me it was Leon McGuire. I thought I watched her on the range. I watched her play a few holes in the practice round. Got she hits it great. And then watching the way she finished was awesome too. Anybody else that stood out to you? I wouldn't say I don't think there was anything anyone knew that really popped off the popped off the page at me. I think I've got some some some takes to unload just on things I did see this week. there's nothing too bold there. It's just, I get bold. Oh, to get ready, Randy. I got the fall Yucasaso at Lexi and NB for nine holes, which like, that was just, I was so thrilled

when I saw that three things. I was dead set. I said, I'm gonna fall in the park for nine holes. I've never done it before. I had to watch this up close and personal. And I posted this on Twitter and Instagram. I got to slow-mo videos of each of them teaming off on, but I think was the eighth hole.

And I put them all starting at the same exact point and both Yukasaso and Lexi Thompson had hit the ball in these slow mo swings before MB Park had completed her back swing. And it was just like, it was amazing to watch this style of play that was like, you have to be able to hit it further. I know you have more in the tank.

Why aren't you hitting it further than that? Yet schooling you casserole ended up beating her over all for the week. But Yuka's talent just jumps off at you. That's not a sneak. She just won the US Women's Open. That's not a prognostication of any kind. I think she has world number one written all over yet. She was just a bit mopey.

I was kind of surprised me. She was under par and still just kind of moping about a little bit, just kind of got to be tired. You know, got to, got to be feeling a little bit that come down post media tour. I would say, yeah, it was quick. It was quick and undeserved though. It wasn't like she was one over early.

She was one under early and still just couldn't, I don't know. I, I, I, some to watch for honestly, because she is just insane talent. Like really smart, hit the smart shots too. Wasn't just like firing at every pin. And Lexi was way longer than I, like remember her being,

blowing it by Yucasaso and way past NB obviously. And then NB's putting was hilarious. I mean, just bombing in 40 footers then a 60 footer and like running them over edges from 25 feet pretty much every time like it was as advertised. So I really apologize. I don't know. I read it on Twitter. This is not my thought, but somebody on Twitter and I'm sorry, I don't remember off the top of my head who said it, but it was like in B Park, I'm sorry, I don't remember off the top of my head who said it, but it was like in B Park, Pluts like like her ball has eyes where it's like going just up near the hole and it's like, oh, look, a cup. I'll go in. It's just like from our video, Brandi. Is that what it is? Yeah, I'm like, I saw it or I heard it somewhere, uh, props to you guys then.

Um, I just loved that description. Yeah, I was in the video. Sorry, I was spending a lot of time on Twitter and watching a lot of stuff this week. Very scrolling too much. It's pretty out of nothing. Oh, no, and honestly, guys, I thought that video was, I thought you guys did an awesome job. I really loved that video, the closing stretch video, big smiles on my face watching those kudos to you guys.

Kudos to KPMG, the LPGA, and PJ of America for letting those things happen at a women's event. And kudos to you guys. Kudos to KPMG, the LPGA and PGA of America for letting those things happen at a women's event. And Kudos are the players. Yes. You know, we kind of just in the middle of the, hey, can I catch you for 30 seconds? You know, a minute, absolutely. 100%, not like, head down, like don't talk to me.

Yeah. You know, like I'm way too important to even look your way vibe. It was, it was so refreshing. It's like, absolutely. We love to talk about how hard the 15th hole is. It's like, well, thank you. I appreciate that.

Maria Fossi looks to be going through a bit of a Sergio swing transition, just kind of making things a little less dramatic than, you know, a shallowing out move that is very dramatic. That kind of Introduces you to golf fans pretty quickly and maybe you need to get it shout out a little bit more for consistency Hat looks to be playing some decent golf and was I'm sure pretty hardbroken to miss the cut Because it feels like she's starting to come around on it But also looks like she's got some things she's still working through so I would preach some patience for golf fans on her and

still working through. So I would preach some patience for golf fans on her. And lastly, Yani sang. The biggest like gut punch I got was watching her T-off of number one, her 10th hole. She pushed it right and just like she just looked so incredibly dejected. Like, this is someone that won five majors between 2008 and 2011 has zero top 10s in majors since 2013 Has missed 21 cuts in her last 30 major starts hasn't won since 2012 She's been four points shy of the Hall of Fame since 2012 and hasn't earned a single point towards that in nine years and just looks like It nine years is so long to go like in search of something when you were once the best player in the world, one five majors in three years and now

can't like find the club face and was just so I don't know it like has not I remember seeing her at game bridge like chasing it to like hunting on a cadound like yeah that's exactly what I was going to say you know for advice and stuff like that and And the hunger is still there, but like, it's not even close. And it just like, she was like, there was no one following the group. And I just saw her hit that shot and just like slump over and it just like kind of stuck with me of like, ah, fuck pro golf, man. Like it, someone that, you know, has been kind of forgotten in the pro golf world is still out there, like trying to do it and putting in the effort and it just kind of

made my heart sink a little bit. She, I mean, just to tie a bow on that, like this year on the LPGA tour, she's made 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 starts, 7 cuts in a DQ has not shot under par in any round and has shot in the 80s, five times. So I'm with you, Sally, that kind of, it hit me a little bit at Gamebridge. Seeing her, you know, it looked like she was pretty emotional

talking to Onyka, just, you can tell she's searching. I'm glad you brought that up, that's tough. And then yeah, the very last thing I had was just following Lauren, our young hitter who, you know, started the year on the Sementra tour tour now has status on the LPGA tour playing in her second, second major. It was fun, yet also like, I feel a little too close to it. And like, I was too up and down. I couldn't, I couldn't enjoy it because I was too invested. You know, I was too much, I had to walk away for a couple of holes and then come back. And

her husband's texting me, a whole by whole updates updates hoping she made it to cut she and I'm missing the cut by two. But that was simultaneously really fun yet like gosh, it's hard to get like super invested in someone's play and really enjoy the ups and downs of it. I can't imagine the actual family members how they how they do that on a week to week basis. Yeah, but it's an I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of you know falling a single group for a whole round Especially someone like Lauren even if we weren't you know kind of in her corner and sponsoring her somebody that you know is hungry You know, it's just it's awesome because there's no one else around

But you can just feel how important it is like how much pressure is on them and they're not and there's nobody there to even Experience it so when you're like one of the only people out there experiencing that you know how important every important it is, like how much pressure is on them and they're not, and there's nobody there to even experience it. So when you're like one of the only people out there experiencing that, you know, how important every five foot putt is, and it comes down to one, you know, she missed a cup like, you know, two strokes, but it comes down to one or two, you know,

short putts and just, it is a reminder for me, because I hadn't done that in a while of, over the course of five hours, how hard it is, you just have to say so focused on all, you know, because it comes down to one or two shots, and it's like, my God, you know, that put on, that put on two, it's like, damn, man, like, that's brutal. So, but it makes me feel some things, and that's what it's all about. So, I can't wait to go do that again, you know, maybe on the BGA tour, pick a, I remember we did that a heritage with Billy Horshaw a long time ago.

We've fallen for a whole round on Friday when he's on the cut line. I almost remember him looking over after a few holes of us falling on him and being like, who the hell are these guys? What are you doing out here? You're not supposed to be here. No one's supposed to be watching me right now. I'm grinding and it's not going well. I think that's the most interesting thing to watch. and it's not going well. And I think that's the most interesting thing to watch. Solid, did you see some young park at all? That is somebody that is,

if anybody listening has any insight, like what is happening there? Because to my knowledge, there's not an injury, which is almost more troublesome. I watched her on the range, Plenty, she looked healthy, she just was standing over drivers a long time, really long time. Again, we're talking about another former one, number one player in the world, and one

the KPMG Women's PGA in 2018 at Kemper Lakes when we were there. And it's kind of spraying a couple drives off to the right when I was watching her and was kind of, you know, doing the film thing, looking at the swing afterwards, like, was clearly grinding and wasn't in a great place. But I just remember, I filmed a couple of her swings. It was kind of like trying to time up, when to press record, and she just kept standing over, standing over, and I was like, oh, this doesn't quite feel right.

So, didn't get to work for a long time. But yeah, just can't figure out what's going on there. Hate to say the why word, but hopefully it's not that. Yeah. I think that's officially all I got. Can't figure out what's going on there hate to say the why word, but hopefully it's not that yeah I think that's officially all I got on JPMG women's PGA If you can't tell it was it got my juices flowing a little bit this week, and you know just being out there in in person and and Just the players excitement for people to be out there covering it. You know like like we were like that

I don't know, that really resonated with me and anyways. So on to travelers. Ligit, all I got to see was the 18th hole and then into the playoff. I don't know if you guys have more than you saw to this point. I saw Bubba kind of melting down on the second screen I had going today. Well, I was watching on a flight. I was floating back and forth between NBC and CBS and they almost synchronized the booth interview with the CEOs of

KPMG and travelers. And I was like, man, that is some serious price fixing from a coverage standpoint. But I saw, you know, bubbles seem to be vibing and then the flight lands, I get off the plane and I look, and then the flight lands, I get off the plane and I look, you know, like I get my bag and I show out to get your ride and it's like he's made three bokees in a row then a double and I mean, just ejection. So I don't, I didn't see it. Did he, was he freaking out or like what, you know,

did you guys, you know, any knowledge of that? I don't think you know, this wasn't a pray for, shout out the original, I think pray for Ted Scott. Was that coming from this tournament? The 16th hole at this tournament back in like 2011 or something like that. Yeah. I think Bubba has more perspective these days. I don't think it was a freak out situation, but I didn't. I wasn't watching. So I don't know exactly how he got himself in all that trouble. He laid up on the 13th hole, a par five from 243.

There's water involved, I'm guessing you just had a bad number and didn't want to go for it. Ends up making par there, then Bogey's 14, Bogey's 15, Bogey's 16, double 17, and Bogey's 18 to finish T19 when he was in the lead. So listen, that's not good. Not good. Not good, But we do get some dramatics on the 18th hole where Harris English drains a putt from I can get the exact distance 27 feet, eight inches to get to 13 under par. Cramer Hickock is in the final group.

It's a lob wedge to eight feet, 10 inches. inches. Also makes Bernie they go into the longest playoff. I can remember watching in my life, eight playoff holes where here's the cream. Hickok made eight bars. Hair is singlish makes seven bars and finally makes a Bernie to win. I honestly took me a second. I'm like, who wait, who won?

I don't remember who won. I remember the tying. I don't remember who won. Yeah. Well, it was it was a putting clinic. I remember the tying. I don't remember who won. Yeah. Well, it was a putting clinic. I mean, I was watching it here in the hotel the entire playoff. And yeah, I mean, yeah, it didn't line up with our schedule

for tonight. So it was like, come on, somebody end it. But I was locked in. Once it got to like fourth, fifth playoff hall. It's like, this is some good drama. You know, it was a nice, we hadn't had a good playoff like that in a while. Honestly, this is where I get a little, I don't, it's like a perverse joy, I guess, not joy.

Joy is not the right word, but like, Kramer, there's no guarantee Kramer, Hickox, ever going to win a PJ event. And, and he will potentially forever be haunted by a couple lip outs in the playoff. But I got to think he's, he's, he didn't leave anything out there. Like if those puts had gone in, they would have been like, yeah, I'm with you there. Epic makes it. It's not like he didn't lose that playoff. So I, I didn't feel bad at the end when he didn't win because he got beat.

He didn't lose it. You can't say though if you just make one birdie and seven tries, you win. I'm sure he would have taken, he would have signed up for that odds before the playoff. Yeah. You can't say, though, if you just make one birdie and seven tries, you win. I'm sure he would have taken, he would have signed up for that odds before the playoff. Yeah. I mean, if anything, Harris English had the best, like, it's, you know, he probably would have been kicking himself because he had a, what eight foot birdie put the whole before he won. If he had lost it, it probably would have been more a little bit haunting for him.

I, I, yeah, I, I just think it's interesting. Yes. No, sorry. I just think it's interesting, though, no, sorry, I just think it's interesting though, like a guy like Hikak who, you know, Harris is one before, likely will win again. Like Hikak, that might have been the look. I mean, many are saying Harris is truly too big to fail. Two time winner this year. I mean, Randy, we may have to regulate him, you know, he's getting too big. That's right. I'm in. When Hickock had his long range putt that was an inch away from the whole,

rolling towards the hole and Harris English hadn't played yet, buried in the lip of the bunker. Like his winning percentage had to be above 99% because that ball was in. I don't know how that putt missed. And still like imagining even if that goes in, you know, English needs to hole out from the bunker, not going to happen. Even then English still needs to get it up and down and it lips out somehow and English gets it up and down actually pretty easily within absurd bunker shot.

That was when it was like, I don't think it was going to happen for Hickok. I just don't think he survived that and go out and win that. Is it normal for the guy because he's farther away, but he's putting to go first and the playoff? Yeah, whoever's furthest away should go should definitely go first and a playoff. Even if one guy's not on the green. Correct. Yeah. Okay. All right. That kind of took me by surprise. It's a match play situation at that point. A true true match play. Okay. Thank you. It actually was a match play situation once it got to once it got to the playoff. A lot of people ask writing in asking about that

I have one other thing that I and I think it's an obvious take that You know, it's it's regard in regards to Jason day and I I Before we get it can we finish the playoff before we get the Yes, for sure, so we were done with it. I mean it no Never end. Yeah, all right. Can we can we definitively say this because I I've you know, you know, the car will never end. Yeah. All right. Can we definitively say this? Because I, I,

I've always wanted to make fun of the 18th hole at travelers, but it does always give us moments. Officially, after seeing it that many times, can we declare that whole just stinks? Like it's just a dead straight boring par four with no strategy to it. And it's driver wedge. And it's not even that birdy,

but when they put the pin rear it is. It's stinky. I'm with you. Other than the other than the colosseum feel with all the fans around the edges, I think that's I think that might be the reason it creates dramas just because it's a good viewing experience. That's a piece of it, I think.

They got to get to the 15 somehow. Is that have you guys been? Saw you have you been there? Is it like they're really far away? It's not far away. I think it's just like getting fans to and from which kind of going back to 17 is silly. Even I mean, they just do the 18th all over a million times if you have to. It's not like 17s that exciting either.

It just it just didn't in I don't know. It didn't generate a lot of exciting golf there coming down the stretch. I agree. If you can go to 15, that would make a lot more sense, especially give it one more chance for, you know, that rough just left with the green to catch some balls heading towards the water, you know, which is what, what fans want to see. So, uh, uh, uh, so plenty of balls get held up in the left rough left to 50 to get this year, which

is just a treat to see as always, but I love it. I was hoping it would go to Monday. I will say it was almost kind of punch drunk funny at the end of the crowd getting into it, doing the wave, yelling screaming, chanting for Kramer Hickok for the most part and almost doing baseball, rally claps and the background and stuff. That was, that was very much like on the, you know, as we are really welcoming fans back into sports, that was very much like we missed you guys a lot in golf tournaments, especially like bringing excitement to it.

If there was no fans, that'd have been one of the most dull two hours of golf. You could possibly have imagined that thing. Yeah, I had enjoyed watching it, and I enjoyed, with you there, I enjoyed watching the fans get jolly. It's always, the drama was just how long it was going, was just upping the stakes every hole, which is great. The fans were out for a cram or the underdog story.

That's what the fans truly love to see. Did you guys see what Brando tweeted? I'm sorry, the more I thought about that, I'm like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard my life. Your life or just this week? Just this week. Yeah, that's a bit of hyperbole. Yeah, he's like, oh, the fans chanting Kramer Kramer.

You know, truly, people love the underdog just as much as, you know, the marquee players. This is why the super league misses the mark. I was like, huh? I, I, I, I think Jack Reacher won. Connecticut's a gambling state shout out draft king. So I'm sure, and I'm sure most of those people have been well lubricated for a few hours. I think that probably has more to do with it. Yeah.

And also like, did you guys learn anything about Kramer Hickock? This, this, you know, other than you has a somewhat close assimilation with Jordan's beef. I've learned that he's in deep with Discovery Lanko. He's got a different Discovery Lanko property on his hat every day, which is actually kind of a clever sponsorship by them. They're just like, you know, change up into the same logo. You're the revel of sponsorship. Be really careful. I know. I find that stuff. I find it, I find it like, you know, change up. Instead of the same logo. You're the rebel of sponsors of the really. I know. Yes. So I find that stuff.

I find it, I find it interesting. You know, always given free shout outs. You're always given your, I just didn't expect to see, you know, the, maybe the highest end, you know, development company. I don't know. Just it kind of just caught me off guard and I was like, oh, that's a different property than it was yesterday. I don't know.

Hey, sorry. His biggest take. You guys won't have observations. That was an observation I had. I stared at his half or two hours. There wasn't much else to think about. His biggest takeaway from the women's PGA was that Trader Joe's was sponsoring two. That was all said. That wasn't my biggest takeaway. That was all a takeaway. Is that Trader Joe's notorious for not advertising anywhere on the internet is sponsoring LPGA players. Two of eight. I thought that was interesting.

Who just, uh, Mo and I think per nila, per nila, yeah, no, no, they're on our sleeve and I just thought that was fascinating. That was also a personal thing because they're like notorious when I was at Google for like giving the middle finger to Google. Like we will never spend money on digital ads. We will put that money back into lower prices for our customers, just like, this is my fault for bringing it up. This is so my fault for bringing it up. So yeah, I mean, you

know, you're asking me for takes, I got a few in their sponsor related. Sorry. The Ian Baker Finch unironically said that because the last playoff that went five holes was one by Jordan's feet that that might give Kramer Hickok the advantage every wound it. He said advantage. You might have the advantage, but you know, the last five hole playoff was one by Jordan's feet. It's good.

But the the speed friend tree is going to look like Bellicext tree by the end of his career. Like anybody tangentially related to speed. The West coast. Yeah. It's going to get friends for for for being friends of them and pounded that storyline in. But what was was Kramer or Harris.

I was kind of blacked out there for a second. Which one did IBF say had to be a good bloke because somebody's brother introduced them to his now wife. Did you guys catch that one? I think that was Kramer. I thought that was Kramer as well. Yeah. It was like, I think it was like a true,

like, what if they shot you in the face? Like, well, what if the brother's an asshole? He's like, you know, that doesn't mean anything. Well, they don't, she got in on the action saying that Kramer, his mannerisms look like speeds when he was hitting that bunker shot, you know? Like, like, they're like, they're related. Yeah. I don't think that's the, I don't, I guess, I mean, you know, a lot of golfers waggle, you know, nervous energy. I don't know. But that's a, I mean, eight holes, you're trying to fill,

trying to fill some air there. So like that, I'm going to, I'm going to give a pass on, they're, they're reaching, they're, they're probably ran out of their notes for stuff on Kramer Hickock, you know, it's a classic like Vern in the booth. Who the hell is having you more? Those those FedEx profiles are only really serious. The FedEx file cuts off pretty quick. We got two hours. I think you can work in a mention that Kramer Hickock also has the same swing coach works with the same group of people at Altus as Jordan Speed does. If you want to do the speed thing, like, you know, explain some things about him, where he, you know, where he plays out of, I learned nothing other than they bought a huge ass bottle of wine when they went to Napa and, you know, that they're waiting to

open it or whatever. And I don't know. It's, I like, honestly, I was like, fucking, I got to like come up with some Kramer Hickok takes the next I haven't I haven't learned anything from this broadcast from him, but anyways, I think he was my young hitter at some point. It might mine. Don't you sure? Are you sure? Positive. Yes. Okay. I had somebody.

Somebody. Anything about your team members, Salih. Yeah. Somebody that looked like in my head. I don't know. Yeah. You're you're relying on the broadcast. You're relying on the broadcast for takes on on Kramer. Yeah, that's disgusting.

That's just that I'm leaving you know, there's no, yeah, don't you dare, so I'm running away with the Fred scuffle running away draft Kings. I need somebody to challenge me in something. Come on. You're not running away in the F1 standing so that's rigged. That's rigged.

Yeah, what did you want to say about Jason Day? running away in the F1. Standing so. That's rigged. That's rigged. Cool. What did you want to say about Jason Day? I wanted to just, what I want to say about Jason Day is that if you're hurt, take some time off and get fixed. But I do get sick of every time he hits a bad shot is when his back hurts. It's not when he hits a good shot. And if he's hurt, I appreciate your playing through pain.

But it's just over the top with the theatrics or the grimacing, but it's only on the bad stuff, even on like a bad putt, and it reminds me of, playing high school and sports, and the guy that gets beat over the top, the corner, then he grabs his hamstring, in one-on-one drills. It's like, it's only when something goes wrong, then something's now something wrong with me.

And I just got to hated that kid when I played, you know, whatever kid, everyone had that kid on their team. And I just, it just bugs me because I don't wanna, like, I don't wanna rag on Jason Dave, he's hurt, but he's not doing himself any favors by selectively, you know, grimacing.

That's what it feels like to me. It's, and maybe he, maybe yeah, some of the bad shots he hits, because he's in pain. I'm sure that's obvious, but if, you know, if you got a back problem, it probably hurts when you hit a good two, right? Like, I don't know, just that,

so sorry, I'm gonna be off my soapbox now. No, I love that, take me. I will stand behind you 1,000% on that. I am the same way. I have no patience for the people that selectively are in pain, you know, like, come on. You guys would not have been friends with me in high school because every time I got the wing, it's just, ah, the ankle, I just can't, can't get moving. Take it away, take it away. You got, you know, it's, it's, if you want, if you're playing through pain, I appreciate

that. But don't tell me about it every time something's going wrong You know when it's going wrong. You know who's related to that solid speaking of basketball is like where's my help guy? Look, where's my help like you just got like toasted on like a backdoor cutter Who's got my yes like oh god come on man. Yeah, yeah gosh. I was a bad teammate No more points you guys keep making, but wanna give a shout out to Bryce Garnett's week. I've never seen this. He had minus 0.2 strokes gained off the tee,

minus three strokes gained approach, minus 1.6 strokes around the green. He finished T5 because he gained 13.9 shots on the green, almost 14 shots, one of the greatest putting weeks I can ever, honestly ever recall seeing negative and everything but putting T five. Like I just does not happen. That's awesome. Maybe a boss of the boss situation could be air and Wise has got some more putting stuff going on. I didn't accumulate at this time, but he missed a lot of puts today. I lost almost five strokes on the greens today. It's very much a bad thing.

He's got going on there. You guys want to do some Ryder Cup? No. Thought you'd never ask. I think it's time. This segment is brought to you by our friends at BMW who have of course partners of the Ryder Cup partners of ours We're gonna be having many many Ryder Cup conversations throughout the year and our friends at BMW Everyone's bringing it to you. This is how they want to use their advertising space by getting us to talk about the Ryder Cup

Which I think is pretty awesome. Something we would have done anyway, so jokes on you BMW I don't have the updated standings with Harris. I got him. Oh, yeah, no, I'm sorry. No, they're not sorry. I got a little ahead of myself. I thought so too, but it looks like. Is he a lock?

Sully, is he a lock? That's the good. No, no, I was a lock for the writer. No, I'm sorry. I think these are updated because they have him up three spots. I see that too, but I had him at 13th before. I looked at it earlier today and he was 13th. So it's not updated just yet. I think he'll move up C1 1.3 today. So he'll probably move up to around 9th in the standings ahead of Fina, which is kind

of what I had this on the agenda to start from the beginning of week. It's DJ who's not here tonight very much just throughout there. Like come get your boy. Like I don't think he should be on the Ryder Cup team. And I was like, oh, listen, I'll listen to that. He's not playing very good golf right now. And DJ got upset because I didn't fight back. So I know, now I know it's all an act. He's just, he just thrown that out there just to get me all riled up. But we were disappointed. He didn't fight back. Instead of, is he a lock? Is Harris on English on your team right now? I think is a more fun question. The reason he buys is he a lock is, I think,

it's more like he buys to do, is he on your team right now though? Neil, are you taking him to Wisconsin with you? Look at this list. I mean, I think I, but he's got he went through the wilderness there for a while after he won in Hawaii. You know, go like right now, if the Ryder Cup was next week,

and I'm the captain, yeah, I probably pick him. Probably take him and like, you know, over a guy like Burger, you know, or like a web's not showing a ton of form. I don't know. I think I'd take hair as English. If it was next week, when you say over a guy like burger, you're talking about the dude that's seventh in Stroke's game, putting or Stroke's game total for the year, Daniel burger. Uh, yeah, I am. So if you're telling me Daniel burger is seventh, it's true.

I'm just saying if you're telling me that the tournament is tomorrow or next week, you know, I think that you are, I would argue that hair singlishes, you know, had a, he's had a great last three weeks. I feel like he's been in, you know, he was, he did good at Congurie. Obviously, just one here, like he's showing a ton of form. He's one twice this year. So it's not like a flash in the pan situation. I agree.

It's not a flat. It's like a flash in the pan situation. I agree, it's not a flash in the pan situation. I just think it's where he kind of lets nets out in the lines of true strokes gained as right along with Kevin Streolman. And that's always the perspective I urge people to have when somebody is coming off a great week of like, yeah, that was a great week. Of course, he's playing some really good golf.

Overall, how does his profile fit where we're going to be doing in three months? That's a question that as fans, we need, of course, need to answer. Maybe burgers are the wrong guy, but like in over phenal, I mean, I'm looking at this list, it's tough, it's stacked, right? So I'm thinking like phenalel, Web, I mean, I won't read on the team just for the drama. For the good. Are you taking Fienel?

Is that an affirmative? No, I would say that I would probably take Harris English over Fienel or I think take out Fienel, keep Burger on. It's what I'm basically,'m okay walking back my burger switch out How's your burger I'm hawking on my burger You did hawk on the burger

So I thought the I thought an interesting one Maybe you guys covered this a little bit so I apologize, but we gotta talk about the guy in 17th right now feel michaelson Are you taking him to Wisconsin? No. Oh, why? It's an exhibition for for fan. It's an entertainment product. You have to take him. So we're not trying to win it.

Oh, yeah, of course we're trying to win it. Phil is Phil is who you would take to try to win it. Hell yeah. Okay. Has he been a traditional, traditionally great Ryder Cup player? No, but nobody has been. And that's where I think.

So what? You are the king of like all new blood. So do not give me 51. Well all new blood. No, all not. All new blood and muscle. Exactly. That's, I've been very consistent on that.

All new blood plus fill. Is Phil doing some blood spinning of any kind Who knows do you know what his his comp would be on a strokes game perspective? No, but he's he's Michael Thompson Oh, he's such a he's such a he's a real player such a unicorn. That's exactly right He's a big T so good in the team room. Come on He can be in the team. We can be an assistant captain, which is probably where he's destined to be. Don't make him an ass captain. He just want a major. What, how do you do in the last major? Like what? What is that? What does that have to do with anything? What is him having winning a major in May? Have to do with anything. Well, to me, it means his

best is still world class. And what, what guarantee can you give me that is best? No, I can't. No, I can't. But I can I don't think you can make a guarantee about anybody on this US team having their best show up. But give me high floor guys. That's my thing. It's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I floored get you beat, you know what, 13 and a half to whatever the math is. I, no, I don't, I don't need high floor. I want boomer bus, baby. Then you're gonna bust and we bust every year. No, but the one time we might be.

Breakable. Breakable. And it will all be living large. No, I just love it. You gotta take, Mikkelson, no doubt in my mind. I'm bringing him to Wisconsin. So are you taking hair in English? If it's next week? If it's next week?

If it's next week, yeah. I mean, I mean, coming off a win, coming off the US Open playing well, he has done everything well, especially this week. He drove a good approach, good chip and good, putting good. There's no weaknesses there. A golf course that's going to play very similar to a PGA style golf course than he is Mr. PGA tour. And you know, now he's even mixing in a little bit of major championships success. He would not be a lock in my, you know, on my team, but I think he's got to play good more golf for another two months, you know, to be really strongly considered that team because we've seen how fast like somebody you can, you're enthusiasm for a Tony Fee now can fizzle out

because you just got to play good golf. It just just it just comes down to that. So who you bump in then? I think we can all agree. Like, right, it's gotta be Patrick can't lay. That to me, that's the guy where it's like, I don't know, some about him at the end of the day, what I get from him never quite matches like where he is in the standings or his career to date. He leaves a little bit lacking for me. And I hate saying that because I wanted him to be like a total killer. Gosh, I wish I didn't know seeing those rankings

when I compared him to, you know, fourth on the stroke scan list. I wish I'd seen the big Randy rankings that just didn't like that. You know, didn't like that he was the fourth best in the world at getting the ball in the hole. I didn't know you didn't like how he did it. Well, that would have changed my opinion in that.

Cause he didn't win. It's tough. If he's that damn good, he's the win-win. Here we go. The win-win thing. The bottom line, bottom line. I take it away. I don't need a random. I'm basically once the like 30 for 30,

the Miami team. He wants the U. He wants the, he just wants like big personalities. Just tons of, tons of big bad American flair. He wants, he wants to take your outlier week and put you on the team based on that on a selective basis of I like you in this week, but I I can ignore these five bad weeks you had. I just like this one good week you had. That puts you on the team. And if you do good and others,

other five weeks and you're a great player, it doesn't matter to me. That's not great. That's kind of it. I'm out here. I'm out here. That's kind of it. I'm out here mining. And I mean, what? We're gonna coach him up week of. No, we're gonna coach him up. As someone who's written for Cantlay all year and want to see it, I feel like he's crowned a little bit in these rankings

by the win at Memorial. So I hear you, because I feel the same way that he's, I think he is a killer and I won him on the squad, but the, you know, Rob, he feels breaking throws out the wind like that. No, I'm saying that I mean, Rob was a king of crowd.

He got crowned, right? Like he, he won the tournament because Rob got kicked kicked out. He says, go home. It's game works though. That's like he is still getting the ball in the hole in the same rate, regardless of whether John Rama is there. Yeah, I know, but he's kind of like, it's kind of like, zander a little bit where it's like, you know, caught, I mean, just so consistently in the top 20, top 10, top five, and then,

but not breaking through with a, you know, defining win in a while, because I wouldn't call them moral at defining win because, you know, the guy that was up by six couldn't finish the tournament. And if there was a correlation of any kind that showed the amount of times you win on the PJ Tour and your success in Matchplay and Ryder Cup, if there was any of that, I could subscribe to that, but Tiger Woods is a losing record in the Ryder Cup,

and has won one more stroke play events than anyone's stuff. Well, and I go back to, I wanna stand up for, this is end of the day, this is an entertainment event. And it's an exhibition and I think it's a disservice to fans to not bring the biggest and best personalities, especially when they've won a major this year. And like, species is absolutely a lot.

Speed could miss every cut now until the rider cup, and I'm still taking them. Yeah, how can we make it more like the dream team? You know, like they need to have, I don't know, like USA basketball gets together for, you know, practice and summer workouts. And they need to make, I'm with you at Brandy a little bit of making more of a spectacle instead of this like two years of rankings and I don't know, I'm way, way in on all, you know, captain's picks. Let's start there. I think that's an easy way to make it.

Sure. I think that's by person. I think we can get everybody to agree on that. So you're, you're taking can Cantlay out and putting Phil in. Still ignoring Zalatoris, ignoring hair. No, let's put Zalatoris in. I got a lot of guys to carve out. Finao has no chance.

Cantlay, you're gone, sorry. Honestly, Burger done too much for me, Neil. I would have ridden for your original take. He doesn't need to come. Oh, God. Well, when I actually kind of like it's weird. Web's, Web's should have a little like that energy out there. Yeah.

So let's bring Zalatoris. Hell, I'm ready to bring Matthew Wolf. Another good showing, uh, between now and September. Let's, let's bring him. I'll even bring my guy Max Homo. Let's get him some reps, baby. Put him in the spotlight. Think your swim time. Oh, baby. Put him in the spotlight.

Sink your swim time. Oh, like throw chance on the list. Guy plays hard. I like. Well, no, that's what it's all he wants. Solid one's like high floor boring. Oh, you know, don't call chess boring. Don't don't you dare call chess.

I is very clear to me why you are last in these draft Kings bets. And I'm trying to win. I won it last year. I will have people know I won it last year. Just been off here for the big guy. Sometimes it booms and then sometimes it buzz. All right, next segment.

I can't recover from that. All right, we do this once a month. Our what's in the bag segment brought to you by our friends at Cal away. We've been doing a little experimenting. This is a topic that is hot in the world of golf, potentially some questions as to whether now it should be legal. We had two experts on the ground, the strat boys, we've been bringing these a big arm lock putter here, but Neil ordered arm lock putter as messed around with Allen that he's going to tell us a little bit about his experience with armlock putter. I did. I did, you know, I just a training aid, one of the tested out. I got the armlock with the obviously like the seven head, the same like claw one, which is essential for me that that

putter head. I don't know if I'll ever change from it because I love the mallet feel and I have to have something that I can scoop putts with because I'm not good enough. I don't make enough putts so that the square mallets with with no way to scoop it you had to bend down to pick up you know something that's been given in a matches. That's not going to work for me. But first, Randy, I want this on the record. Should it be illegal, the armlock? 100 percent. Yes. But since it isn't and it is within the rules, should it be legal for the armlock? 100%. Yes. But since it isn't, and it is within the rules, I have no issue with people testing it out,

or using it on tour. Clearly, it's a, you know, you're playing for a lot of money out there. Those guys should be trying to do whatever they can, especially if they, if they don't put it well. So yeah, I picked it up, and I played with it for, probably, 18, 27 holes, and I picked it up and I played with it for probably 18, 27 holes and I potted well, especially short range.

Difficult a little bit once you get farther away from the hole. I felt like the lags were, you know, it would take a lot more work. But overall went back to my normal putter, which is actually a 34 inch Odyssey 7 because it makes me bend my knees kind of a little shorter putter. And I found that I've been putting great since I used the arm lock because I kind of got my left shoulder. I felt like it helped my stroke to almost use it as a training aid and get a different look and then go back to, you know, my old putter. And now I'm feeling great with that. So if that, if my putting gets cold, I think I'm going to go

back to the arm lock and just get the honeymoon thing going where I Switched back and forth. I think in the past I've been too Married to my putter, which is named Keisha, you know, when things get rocky with Keisha Maybe you got to go on a walk about for a little while see what's up and then come back, you know and and And mix up. I got to be quicker to mix it up on the pudding grints But I found that the arm lock for me, hence the name lock, it made me way too rigid,

and I'd like to be a little bit more of an athlete. I'm a field player, like to be a little bit more of an athlete when I'm putting. And so I'm back to my first love, Keisha. Which arm lock, which putter did you get with the arm lock? I got the same putter that you have, solid, the claw kind of mallet putter did you get with the arm lock? I got the same putter head that you have, solid, the claw kind of mallet putter. So, fangs, yeah.

So same head and I think it's 45 inches. I don't know, Randy, I think you have the same or similar one, but it sounds like you don't lock it. You're still doing the, the saw grip, what do you call it? The saw grip, the paintbrush, what's what's your what's your putting struggle in like these days? I'm not good. I'll tell you that.

You're the artist. I think the paintbrush is the best. I'm not armlocking. I've way too much respect for just the sanctity of the game to ever arm lock, but I do have an armlock putter. But what I do is it, the length of it helps, so I don't have to bend over as much. It's a little bit of a back saver. And I put my left hand near the top of it, and then I claw, separated my hands, I claw down the right, down the grip a little bit. But what I found hard is, you know, those arm locks,

you have to forward press them, so that the putter has a lot more loft. So I'm always trying to forward press my separated claw grip. A little bit, it might be too clever by half. I just needed a different look. I was like, you know, I was getting a little stale with my carol marksman. But I got to say, I don't know which one I'm gonna use

for our big tour of saw season coming up. I don't know. I would say, I felt to me like guys that have gone to the arm lock probably weren't good putters to begin with. Or maybe, you know, hear me out here, maybe they weren't the best athletes to begin with because there's no feel involved to it, right?

It is there, at least for me, or maybe I'm doing it wrong, there's no, it takes like, it makes it a very mathematical thing is how I felt like, you know, you're turning into like a robot pendulum and that just isn't a great feel for me and how I play golf. I guess I fancy myself an athlete, but it doesn't feel like guys that, you know, are using it. Maybe they, maybe they don't have the best feel. But I do think it's a great training in, I think it's helped my strokes so there.

So are you apologize for it or no? No, I'm not apologize for nothing. I'm anything to apologize for. I'm glad I'm thrilled that I have it as an option and I've tested it out because I've been really curious about it because it does seem to be a game changer for certain guys out there on tour. And if these guys, if pro golfers are doing it,

I'm kind of shocked that more amateurs aren't using the arm lock putter because it seems like a ton of professionals are doing it and you don't see a lot of them, like I was out at PGA Superstore a couple of days ago. I saw maybe one or two out of like 500 putters around the putting green in there that were arm lock. So it doesn't, it's funny to me that it hasn't transitioned down into the amateur ranks.

I think everyone's got their baby when it comes to putting and like you can go to the putting green, you can do an arm lock, you can try a new putter, you can do all these things and everything's gonna, it's gonna feel awesome. Like it's gonna feel just like Like it's gonna feel just like, that you're gonna feel freed up, you're gonna feel like an athlete, then you go put that under the gun, and it doesn't always,

it's not gonna respond the same way it does in the putting green. You gotta get totally used to a, in the flow, in the adrenaline, putter that works for you, and just watching like Zander try that with the arm lock last week, just didn't, that didn't match up. But I think you kind of went through that that in terms of like putting you back in touch

with why you love your gamer. Absolutely. But I don't know. There's something to this arm lock thing that I think is eventually going to get it banned. And I agree with like I kind of want to try a mess with it just a little bit to see the feels to see why everyone's switching to this. Yet I don't see it as something that I would be interested.

But then if they banned that, was I maybe we were talking about, or I read it online somewhere that the crosshand, like the left hand low, couldn't that be considered arm locking? Like where do you define the arm lock? Because technically, if you got your left hand below your right hand player,

like you're kind of pinning it to your arm as well. In a way, I don't think so. I think your hands are still on the club. Your hands are still the only thing on your club if your left hand low is still, right? If the bottom of the club is touching your forearm, that's, I think the argument for why it shouldn't be allowed is it is using something that is helping you swing the club, which swinging the club

should be the art, right? And then you can't use your body in a way that helps you swing the club better. And it, that's kind of the argument against, you know, why the belly putters were outlawed or why anchoring is outlawed is it is using your body and not your hands to swing the club better. So I don't know. Anyways, great experiment. Thank you for, I would encourage other people, even if it's not arm lock experiment with the butter. If it's not working, change it up. I've been, you know, very guilty of being married to something that's not working. And you know, there's no, there's no shame in giving in giving yourself a different look for a while.

Any other notes to clear out from the week from you guys? Victor Hauvin won the BMW in Germany, sent it on 18 despite having a lead into the final whole par-5 there and went on to win, hold off a charging Martin Kimer. Got an alert from the PJ Tore app about Ricky's perspective on the child he hasn't had yet, which is a new one for me. I think they're actually trolling us with the literal use of the word perspective. Steve Sturker won on the champion store on the bridgestone senior players. And then we go ahead. No, sorry, we briefly touched on it, but Symmetra, Megan McLaren, one on that tour, which is fantastic. And then Vincent Norman finished fifth in Germany. He was playing division

to golf a year ago, transferred to Florida State, played just insane golfer than I watched him just murdering the ball when he won the Tim Aquana collegiate a few months ago here in Jacksonville, turn pro already making moves, finished fifth in, like I said in Germany made a hole in one on a part four this week. So I wanted to formally welcome him to the brotherhood. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Allegedly. A dude that like I don't I'm not the biggest tracker of dudes like making leaps, but this is one that like even had agents stunned of like nobody knew who this guy was a year ago. And then came to Florida state, took over the like the Amateur Roe. May it's number four in the Amateur rankings turn pro and is already making moves in Europe. He's Swedish and just absolutely flushed as the ball. And I saw his name on the board. I was like, wait a second, I do was just in college, like a couple of months ago and was playing division two southeast Louisiana state or something a couple of years before that and it's a name worth watching Vincent Norman.

So keep track of that one. So then I'm taked out. That was a busy week, a busy week it takes busy week, enjoy chopping up with you guys. Yeah, that was fun. Enjoy it as well. Thanks everyone for tuning in and we'll see you back here shortly. I'm almost almost made major championship time again. And it's almost time for the open championship.

I'm getting super jacked up for that. So big summer holiday. You know, we got the fourth coming up. It's going to be good. You know, we're in the heat of summer. Love it. Amen. Cheers boys.

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