No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 457: British Open Recap, Round 3

Episode Date: July 18, 2021

Saturday recap: Is it a 3 horse race? We chat Louis, Morikawa, Spieth, an awesome setup at St. George's, Louis' comments about the pins, Rahm, DJ, Rory, and everything else from an eventful day at the Open.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Music All along, come along, sing me open song Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to live from the Killhouse, Sully here, DJ Pies here, hello, Deage, greetings, hello, big Randy in from the mountain time zone, hello, big. Good afternoon, gentlemen. How are we? Big question already that's flown through here in the comments. Is Jordan two backers, Jordan three back?

Well, two back off the actual lead. I think he's got to be more worried about more. Call it tomorrow. We're going to triple quadruple quintuple down on this before we get going. You know, we haven't talked about in a while. What's that? Walker Trolley's. And I want to talk about this because Marcel Seam, I believe it.

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DJ will not be using the sand holder. He refuses to put sand on the course at Jaxby. We have replaced the divot once ever, according to people in our YouTube comments. That's always a good thing. Yeah, that's what we should start the show out talking about is people who comment on our YouTube videos But yeah, the people who think we're gonna edit in us replacing divots of course we're not putting that in come on Come on we're giving people time to come into the show

Carrie Sand at Jack speech Carrie Sand You're an idiot Where do we even start here because all I can think about is the speed pot? I think that was not the biggest story of the day, but it kind of was that start here? Because all I can think about is the speed pot that was not the biggest story of the day, but that's all I can think about. It was the biggest story. Randy's at the biggest story. Oh well, that and the bad bogey on 17, I think, absolutely.

Absolutely, you got to say that's the story of the day. I mean, one back tied for the lead, I should say, is a whole lot different than being two back going into tomorrow. I said it yesterday, you dog me for it. All right. That, you know, as well as he's playing, he's just wasting a few shots here and there. Just seems he's given away a couple shots that he should not give away. And it just doesn't feel like it's quite adding up. You dog me for it. Do you want to dog me again? You want to triple down on this or what? How do you want to do this? I wasn't even on the podcast. I know. But you did all in the slack and everything.

I was solid denied him three times all of this bullshit. Do you think he's, do you think he's, do you think he's done so? What are you saying? I don't think he's done so, but I also am not confident sitting here that he's going to win. What? More because of Jordan or, you know, who he's got to run down. I mean, how far back he is. Louis and Moira Cala ahead of them has me a lot more worried. If it was just Speed and Louis and he was three shots back, I wouldn't feel nearly as worried as I am now.

I guess he's got a 10% winning chance of winning as of right now for a reason. Like, going to go getting two of those guys is so much different than going to get one of them. Yeah, that's true. You don't have the big two shot swings are not limited to one person. It's not a match play situation as we know. It is very much gonna be,

they're gonna be playing stroke play tomorrow, which is important. It's, I don't know why that was so deflating to me, but all of a sudden, like two shots for some reason just feels so much different than three. And three shots, we were saying it, standing on the couch, you're sitting on the couch, was kind of like, man, he might have just lost the tournament right there. Like, that might be, that might be it, which is socks.

That, that was brutal. So I'm trying to do this math quickly here. At one point, more cow, was, he went all the way back to minus six through five holes today. And that's why I got to keep reminding myself of it. Yeah, this is not a minus seven solid. He was never at six apologies, but he was four back at least, right? I mean, he was he was a ways back.

And really, I mean, I will get to him. I'm sure he fell back to minus seven and it's speed. Speed at one point had it to minus 11. And Morca would beat speed today on Saturday, not only is he up on the lead, but he beat him just today. I mean, that was a tough and depressing finish. But Morca was putting looks good enough. It doesn't look like, again, we talked about this

and in the last couple recaps too, of these green setup seems to be good for him. We're needing to hit Puts firmer and not like delicate PGA tour greens, Stimping at 12 and needing to die it in and having special touch. Seems to be a weakness for him. This seems to set up very well for him.

And it does not seem to, I mean, if we're talking about flaws and pudding, we're talking about speed right now from close range based on what we just saw more than we are more a cava. So. And that the frickin iron play man, it is like, it is, it's kind of like, he leans a little bit when a ball is, is in the air and you're like, oh man, it kind of lost

us into the right. It lands like five feet right of the hole. It's bananas. And it looks so regular on TV. It's kind of like, oh yeah, he missed that one to the right. If you saw that in person, how freaking accurate those shots have to look in person, oh my God, dude, it cannot be emphasized enough how strong of an iron player this guy is.

It's absurd. And that's what I was gonna say, is if you were building almost like the video game simulation of what the most fun leaderboard would be tomorrow, like the leaderboard that would maximize the amount of fun possible tomorrow, it's Louis and the lead is like, all right, that's fun.

What's gonna happen? That's really cool. The guy who is the best iron player in the world who could miss any putt at any moment. Who's, you know, that's gonna be. That's gonna be through more. You know, is gonna flag it.

And the guy who's like very, you know, against all odds, our underdog hero is like, you know, he's three back, or is he, do you finish three back? you know, he's three back or is he, do you finish three back? Four back. He's three back. He's two back in Randy's been. He's three back of Louis, who's technically tied for the lead or solo lead here. It was a tough scene there watching him,

I guess, sprinted off straight to the putting green, right to camera, Kormack before the TV window, even closed was kind of like, yeah, that kind of reminded me of the scene that in 2016 at the Masters where he was working with McCormick on Saturday night. All right, I get it, you got something you feel like you need to address.

I feel like overall, through 54 holes, he's putted it really well, just really didn't finish with any momentum today. I guess if it's a technical thing that they got to get figured out, go straight to the putting green and figure it out. But yeah, I mean, he also made a ton of puts today. I know that's weird.

That's weird. And if we want to just kind of dive a little deeper into Jordan now, I mean, he low key got a lot of bounces today. Like there were a lot of balls that were kind of either landing on a downslope and scooting back onto the green or landing on, you know, in the perfect spot and thick rough and somehow kicking back to the fairway. There were a couple of those, so I don't want to pretend like, oh man, he's on, you know, in the perfect spot and thick rough and somehow kicking back to the fairway. There were a couple of those, so I don't want to pretend like, oh man, he's just, it's, if not for that short putt, like he's, he did everything perfectly.

Like he, he kind of masked it with some, yeah, he made a lot of like very clutch, what, eight footers, nine footers, ten footers for par, uh, which he started great. Yes, he did. But he also like, there were a couple shots where, you know, a dozen get those bounces, like he maybe makes a couple more bogus, and he's five back or six back. But it's up for debate whether or not that break on 13 was a good break for him, which noted, the ball did not roll back into the pop bunker.

And he had to stand a little bit closer to it for the chip, like right up right next to the green, it was up for debate whether that was a good break or not, which could have been easier from the pop from eight feet down, landing down the downslip. I thought his, I'll just add to that too, his par on 15 or on 14, the par five. Felt like a bogey also. I thought that's where he let out a good swear after that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought that's where his, his, his, his day really took a turn if we're going to dissect it. And then, you know, 17, 18, almost the result of, of that let down. Yeah. Amen to that. He had a great T ball and

a perfect second shot. I mean, not quite perfect. Moral cow hit a perfect second shot. That pin was extremely difficult. I love when they put pins far on the opposite side of the green as the hazard that you'd have to avoid. The OB, right, means like, all right, there was, if you bail away from the OB, you are short-sighted no matter what. We saw, for tell you do that, we saw Usthays and do that. And we saw speed and Morakawa hit it right up the gut. Morakawa got it up there and on the green and had an easy two-putte Eagle.

Speed's did not get up onto the green and had to put it from off the green, get it up there and on the green and had an easy two putt eagle spes did not get up onto the green and had to Put it from off the green get it up over the hill get it in range and then make the short putt And he did not do that and that like that set up and we can talk some setup stuff if you want guys one That was that was major championship golf right there That was like watching a few groups come through knowing the ball is gonna roll up here It is not land it wherever you want you got to avoid this bunker You got a it in this spot. You got to get it to right here to gain the shots. Just watching true strokes gained in action on something like that. There was a couple of holes like that that really

were working for me 11 and 14 most notably putting those bunkers or those pins right by bunkers right near big slopes that just had to be you had to take on the slopes at some point either if you got over that with your second shot or over it with your third shot, that's championship golf to me. I know we've kind of, I've been a little half in, half out on St. George's to this point today. It came alive, even if Louis thought some of the pins were questionable. Well, that's, I would throw that to Randy.

I think if you, that's all we're asking is for a couple of complaints after the round. Yeah, if guys aren't, if you're not making guys uncomfortable with pin locations and setup, what are we doing in a major? I am into that. My only beef and this isn't on St. George specifically, it's just the fairways are just soft. You're not getting that British open rollout.

There's not much drama. Oh my God, will this ball keep rolling into the bunker? I really miss that. I had a couple of those early. I think did more cow have one of those on one, right? Where it just lands, you know, a foot short or something and slowly does the, the slow creep and then picks up speed and goes into one of the pop bunkers. Like the plane camp on number two for more cow is T shot.

That blew my fucking mind. I've never seen a shot like the plane has to be so well timed to come over and get the, in the frame where the ball may or may not land while the ball is coming down and they nailed it. That was awesome. That was like a highlight of the day for me. Yeah. On the pins, I mean, we heard a couple of people

talking about that, right? I mean, Ram, Ram gave it, Ram's press conferences have turned into this. It's really like 100% very must see types down. Are you coming around on Ram I mean, Ram, Ram gave it, Ram's press conferences have turned in just really like 100% very uh, must see types that you're coming around on Ram at all, at all, Randy, the last couple of weeks months. I, Ram, listening to Ram is infinitely more pleasing to me than watching him play golf.

I still cannot get with his aesthetic. There's just something there about watching him hit the golf ball. But great dude. That was a, that was a great lot of insight. He packed in that short interview there post-drawn. And I wouldn't even say he was complaining. He just saw there were some pins that were they were hard. And it seemed like he was almost relishing it. I, you know, not that Louis was complaining, but it was like, oh, a couple of them were

a little sketchy. I forget his exact wording. They'll say, ah, come on, man. Like, you know, everybody's out there playing. Well, I love about that wording, they'll say, ah, come on, man. Like, you know, everybody's out there playing. Well, I love about that interview, is he actually started off ripping the TV covers that he hasn't been watching. He's so sick, too. Yeah, you can't really tell the slopes on TV, right? I'm sure what they're saying on TV is it's

just a perfectly nice day, no wind, but let me tell you how hard it was. It had whiffs of the, you'll remember better than me, but what was the thing where he was talking about how the four man scramble or whatever would break? Oh, nobody would break off. They wouldn't break off. They wouldn't break off.

Yeah. They have whiffs of that, which is good. More of that, I like that, Rob. That's good stuff. I will say there's probably something to walk on off a golf course. One of your pro golfers you shouldn't care, but walking off a course and just knowing like,

yeah, that was way harder than I guarantee you guys presented it. Which yeah, every time they get low, the slopes of this golf course come alive. And I felt like today was the first day where they had pins and spots where it was truly wrong side of a slope, you're done, like your toes. You cannot get close to some of these pins. 17 was sick. That's what I was going to say. 17's, they hammered it rightfully so on the broadcast. I think that was the easiest one to see, right? Was if you drive it too close to the green, this thing is right over the false front and you're gonna have a really hard time.

Louis had to kind of take his medicine. I think he had kind of a dodgy lie, but had to hit it, you know, 30 feet past the pin. What did he have? 60 yards in, 70 yards in, something like that. And his good shot is kind of 25 feet, 30 feet past it. And that's where you throw numbers out the window for like, yes, of course, like tour average from 60 yards

is going to be closer than it is from 140. But with firm conditions and a pin that's on top of a crown that you need to land it right next to, you know, that makes a difference. And that's the beauty of somewhat firming up conditions. It's not firm, but it's still things golf. Yeah. So, ah, fun stuff. I'm having a great time with this tournament. I think it's, we've waited two years for the open to return and I think I can still say it. I think St. George is quite easily the least exciting and quote unquote worst course on the road.

Yet at the same time, it's totally fine. It is enjoyable to watch. It's not a hole in the road, worst course on the road. Yet at the same time, it's totally fine. It is enjoyable to watch. It's not a hole in the road in the road at all. And it is, there's very few memorable holes, but it's a delight to watch links golf, even in the most benign conditions. Yeah. So I couldn't agree with you more. I think a couple of things going back to, go back to Jordan a little bit.

I do want to, you know, be fair on both sides of this because you'll, you'll hear again, rightfully so I think so, so much on the broad. You did a big both sides. Big both sides. You got it. Great people talking both sides. Many people. No, but you hear him talk so much on the broadcast about, you know, A'singer said it in a really good way that I wrote down today, which was that he's playing, quote, visual golf, which is a totally like, that's a different way to think about it and that's really well said.

And they talk about it so much when he's playing well, but you could see a couple spots that's what's saying with just a couple of those T-Shots where it's like, oh man, he's not maybe also playing like the perfect technical golf. Like, it's really good when it is going well. Like, let's talk about how good it is and how fun it is to watch,

but he definitely seemed like tomorrow, Fraser and Bryson. He was a little bit on the, on the razor's edge there in a couple spots. And so that's just a really interesting kind of disconnect between those two ideas. Where do you guys want to go next? Just talk about Louis.

With the weather tomorrow. Oh, okay. Yeah, we can talk about Louis. No, what do you got? You got the weather pulled up? Yeah, it's high, a 79 sunny. They're calling for a wind just up to eight miles per hour. So maybe even more benign more sunny than today was. I hate that. Which segway, I think that

really favors Louis. Does it? I would think the harder so I think the harder the better for him. I think the harder the better for him. I kind of think the opposite, but that's interesting. Why do you say that? Well, because he just hits it straight. So when there's no wind, it's just like he puts it on autopilot. And it's just like, okay, I'm just going to hit straight.

Like it doesn't involve. Once you start bringing in variables and he's got to start aiming, you know, off the center line. Some I yeah, I feel like you would get more trouble that way. And there's some about a short game. I just don't find his, you know, and it doesn't lend him to have to scramble as much. And I don't know. I think benign and just fairways and greens obviously favors him. I think that makes sense.

I guess statistically, the easier it is, the more chance someone has of running him down. Right? And that's true. And that's true. Yeah, I think it's just like the harder it is, the more chance that a ball's gonna plug in the bunker. It gets blown up in the wind and ends up in a spot

where he's gonna make two bogies in a row, like let us bid off. And then chances are one of 10 guys right behind you is gonna have a great day and pass all the tests in the wind and in theory. And make it go either way, right? You can go play a dominant round in the wind and run away and hide from everybody.

But that's what it seems like though about this golf course. And we've said this I think on Thursday, but why it's a different type of open is, it just doesn't seem, unless you're, you know, RIP Marcel Seym, who hit the iron out of bounds on 14, like it doesn't seem like you're gonna make a triple somewhere, right? Like it just seems like it's gonna be a really slow leak

if you are gonna leak, but it also seems like somebody can like run you down. And that's where, you know, I remember going, you know, the Saturday show that we did going into the final round of the US Open was very like, you know, someone's not going to go shoot 63 tomorrow, 64. We were like, it made if Rom ties the best round of the week and shoots 67, like, yeah,

he might have a chance to win, but like, he's got to do that. And tomorrow it's like, no, I mean, somebody very well could shoot 64. They might do some more like easier pins tomorrow. They might do a little, like today was tipped out all the way a foot off the rough on every tee and some pins and some very difficult spots. They may make, they may set it up for a little bit more excitement today, but I think feel like the more, the more difficult you make the pins also,

like if it's 18 holes more of like precision iron play, Louis is an incredible iron player, but like he's playing with Colin and the best one. And the only thing I'll say about that makes me really like Louis changes. You can take this either way of like he just, if like Louis burned a lot of edges. That's what I was gonna say.

That's what I was gonna say. It kind of feels like he should be up by like four. Right. Yeah. I mean his his pot on one, his pot on two, he had another one on, on 12, I think he had another short one. just those like I know they're kind of 50 50 puts But those eight footers that like could either half of them go in half of them don't seems like he misses all of them

Well, it's like the 15 footers that aren't supposed to go in but he's still hitting really good puts They are not really not really getting a ton out of those. I know he made one on was it nine today He made a real nice, you know Twisted left putt that was kind of, you know, from outside, 50% range. And he saved his fair share of pars as well, especially in that kind of dodgy stretch that he had. So it, I don't know, it just seems like almost that Louis hasn't necessarily played like his best golf yet. Like he still could have a big run. I was thinking about it and obviously Colin, we can probably talk about him next,

but he almost looked like out of it after the first couple of holes, which is crazy and stupid to think that he would be. But just really bad start from him and Kudos to him for massively studying the ship and getting back in it. But Louis, I was thinking about it. Watching all day today, I was kind of thinking about,

how does this happen to Louis? You guys thinking about it. Watching all day today, I was kind of thinking about, like, all right, how does this happen to Louis? Like, you guys talked about it last night. Like, he's not, he doesn't choke. Like, he doesn't, you know, he hit the shot at, the shot at Zurich was a choke. That was bad. Sure, that's not a man. That's what that's not a man.

Yeah, but I'm just trying to think of other, like, massive choke moments. And it doesn't happen. The closest thing I could think, it's like a gas leak, basically, that creeps in. And it's just kind of like, just very slow. You just don't even really realize what's happening. And all of a sudden it's like, wait, he's f**king too back now.

Like, how did that happen? He didn't even do anything wrong. Like, what happened? It just creeps in, man. And that's kind of how it felt today. And good for him for getting his feet back on the room and finishing really nicely. I will say too, I made this point on Twitter earlier. Like, you can go to somebody's Wikipedia page

and see some uncompetitive T2s and, you know, people by pride over. Name names. Name names. People pride over, remember, like Sean McKeill finishing second at the 2006 PGA as much as like people shit on Tiger or McKeill's record. Like, he was, Tiger's gonna wanna prevent us from McKeill winning two PGA as much as like people shit on Tiger or McKeill's record. Like he was Tiger's going to prevent us from McKeill winning two PGA's.

But Louis Major, like runner up Major finished this about as heartbreaking as it gets. Right. He lost in the playoff at the 2012 Masters to Bubba. He finished one shot out of a playoff at the 2015 US Open at Chambers Bay. He lost in a playoff at the 2015 Open Championship at the old course to Jordan Smith to know. Yeah, of course. Finish one shot out of a playoff at the 2021 US Open this year. So with just those finishes, he's six shots away from those events of having five majors. And then at his other two runner-ups, he lost by two. So flip those three shots each. He's 12 shots away from having seven majors. And it's impossible not to think about that. Every time he burns one of these edges, it's just like, shhh, we in for another one, like another one. I mean,

I don't have any emotional, like, in personal investment in Louis. And I don't know if I could take another one. Like, it It kinda breaks my heart a little bit. It's, yeah. We were saying it downstairs before we came up, like obviously the biggest speed homers you'll possibly find and will be rooting hard for speed. But if he's not gonna win, which it seems unlikely that he will,

I've got to ride all out for Louis. Wow, you denying speed? Are you denying him? Well, I was just going on a foot, you say. say, yeah, no, I was going by what you said. Oh, I'm an influencer. I don't, I lose a great guy, family man. I don't understand what the appeal is there though. From just, I sit down and watch on my TV.

I don't get it. He don't do much at all for me. I was struggling with this to do today too, Randy. I kind of had the realization of golf greatness. Sometimes isn't that interesting, which sucks. It's like the whole point of playing these things is to identify the champion, but great shots on repeat. Sometimes they're just like, don't do it for you,

which is, I don't know why. But I kind of struggled with the same thing today. It was kind of like, why are more people not freaking out about like how crazy straight an accurate Louis hitting these shots? And it just doesn't, and not nothing personally wrong with Louis in any way, it just doesn't seem to captivate people nearly as much as other players.

I don't know why that is. I think I've talked about this in the past before, but I think it's the same reason why people still give Rory every bit of attention that they give Rory, which is not everybody follows golf as closely as we do for better or worse. For a lot of those people, you only got so much room in your brain, in your emotions, and you've only got so... It almost strikes me as like, hey man, you fuck, you guys told me like, Rory and Dustin Johnson,

and now I guess I can do, you know, do Bryson. You told me those were the guys I needed to know, and like I'm not gonna really invest that much emotional energy into all of these other guys. And so I think like our corners of the internet, like of course everybody appreciates Louis and appreciates Mark Howell and all that stuff, but it's just, it's gonna take a long time, I think, for the general public.

The answer to this might be obvious. I just wanna spell it out. And I wanna hear you guys answer on this, but like, this is not Apple's to Apple's, of course. But Phil is and was the heartbreak kid, right? Close calls at majors forever and it just made everyone. And I get it. He hadn't won, he didn't start off winning one and then come close on a bunch of them, but it made,

like, it was all the New York fans cared about in like 2002, US Open was like, get Phil his first major. Like, when he made the plot of the 2004, like, masters, everyone would freaking nuts because everyone wanted to see him win. Like, what, why is that, right? You're a Phil guy. This is just an example question. Why isn't it like that with Louis?

Well, I guess, I don't know. Everybody's different. I for me, like, there's just not, is it as simple as he's not American? Like, that's a fair question, right? No, I don't, I mean, it's got to be part of it. At least, I mean, that's, that's fair. Yeah.

I think in this specific instance, like, listen, he's got one PGA tour win. Like, he's, he's got one PGA tour win. Like he's just not that relevant, right? I would compare what he's doing now more to Ricky Fowler's 2014 than like Phil Mickelson. I don't think Phil's the right comp. That's a really good comp. I don't think it's Ricky's so close, he's playing so well in majors. Is he going gonna get one and then like Louie's probably not gonna be that relevant in the next

seven years. That's what I was gonna say. I think people like to invest in the people who are gonna, you know, be the next thing. And that's why everybody like, spief played well at the right time, right? Where he was kind of in between a lot of these, he was kind of, Tiger wasn't relevant. Rory wasn't doing that much and spieth kind of just like soaked up all the energy and he was super young and he's American and he plays this weird style golf and he's a great quote and all these things and it's just it's hard to it's hard to break through with people.

Yeah, you got to have a lot of shit going for you. I I I further record was not trying to say Phil is the comp for Louis Usay, and I'm just trying to identify the reasons why the reaction is different. I think we did. Well, I guess from my standpoint, I, I look at more like I didn't get that excited about Ricky, you know, like, I, what? So you're excited about hating him. Uh, I, so I, I think that's it for me.

And I think maybe just personally speaking to I, just the style of golf they play, I think that's it for me. And I think maybe just personally speaking too, I just the style of golf they play. I think that's what's always attractive to me to fill is. It's such an emotional roller coaster. And with Louis, I think DJ, that's a great analogy. It's like a slow carbon monoxide leak sometimes. Yeah, that's not exciting. I'm gonna ask a question,

and I'm gonna give you guys a minute to think about your answer, okay? Is it a three horse race? Don't answer yet, because first we're gonna check in with our friends at Original Penguin. You know I got my Light hoodie on. Always, I'm wearing the Light hoodie

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So I didn't want to throw that on but Oh, is it hot and Denver? Oh, is it hot out there? I'm sorry, but I'm super sorry. That's one of my favorite pieces of golf. I've got some outrageous stuff coming for tourist off-shape as well. Looking forward to that. All right, Randy's a three horse race. I want to clarify real quick. Jack Edwards in the comments apparently called the front desk regarding Louis, they say it's not gas. It is not gas. It's not gas. It's a deep cut. It's just the heater turned it out for the first time this season. It's full-time hitters on this. Crack a window if you're nervous, but not gas. Not gas. Yeah, it feels like it feels honestly, honestly, I'm worried. Like it feels like it might be a Louie calling just two horse race, which is fine.

I can see speed going one to two ways where he shoots 73 tomorrow or he walks out and does something great. Oh, I just love that. With the con diddies, I just don't think anybody can go low enough to catch those guys. That's what I was gonna say is I feel like you do got a start. Everybody always, I think, myself included, likes to say, well, if so-and-so shoots this tomorrow,

if so-and-so shoots this tomorrow, like, it doesn't really take into the equation like what the leaders are gonna shoot, right? And I think you got to almost start with like, what are the leaders gonna shoot tomorrow and let's figure out what the leaders are gonna shoot, right? And I think you got to almost start with like, what are the leaders gonna shoot tomorrow? And let's figure out what the number actually is. And it just does not feel like Louis is gonna shoot worse than even par.

Tomorrow does it? It doesn't feel like it doesn't mean he won't though. It doesn't mean he won't, but I mean, we've seen a minute of say like, go ahead. Oh, I was just gonna say like, I would, don't you think like 14 as a winning score is pretty conservative. Yeah, at least for a playoff. I think that feels really good.

And then you're looking at outside of the top three. I mean, like, there's a 64 to get into a playoff. Rom S is she 63 to get into a playoff. Like I just don't I don't see it. Yeah. Winning score, per day to golf are spread pretty evenly between 13, 14, 15 and 16. I think there's just a lot of uncertainty

as to what the weather and pins we're gonna be like tomorrow. So, the point being, I think, I mean, for Jordan, I think it's like you got to shoot at least 65, right? 66. So, again, bookmakers know what's up with this stuff, right? Speed is plus 500 for tomorrow, like five to one. That's not a long shot. No, it's not. And that's his data golf percentage is obviously way less than that.

There's always a big built in there is data golf winning percentage is 10%. Louis 43, Moracal is 31. That all feels pretty, pretty right. I mean, everyone else basically has a 10, 10% chance that it's not a three horse race. So in that regard, I would not say it is. I think Ram can win this tournament. I truly, truly believe that. I mean, it takes, I think he's gonna need some help.

He will, but like, it's like, Louis still in control, right? Louis in college. What's the past for Ram winning? Yeah. I mean, going to birdies in an eagle on the front, right? It takes you to minus 11, and then anything can happen from that point out, right? If Louis shoots two over, this thing is wide open, totally wide open.

Like, it's unlikely, of course, but it's easy to anchor yourself after around, like, to what the leaderboard looks like, and just totally forget how much shit fluctuated throughout the course of a day. I mean, do I think where I'm gonna win? No, but like, but like I, there's, well, only five guys ahead of him. Like that is not a lot. It's not really bunched up there. It's, but it didn't fluctuate at the top as I guess my point. Like, yeah, I think it's gonna shake like crazy

from that, you know, the top 20s gonna look a lot different, but like the top two don't look any different. They're planning together again tomorrow, you know? That's kind of my point is, I don't know that those guys unless they shoot 71 tomorrow, you know? That's kind of my point is, I don't know that those guys, unless they shoot 71 to, you know, basically unless they shoot even to 75, it's like, you can pair and put the hammer down

like pretty easily just by shooting it apart. That pairing today though through six holes was too over. Combined. Like they were, they kind of let you ride back in today. They closed both of them closed really well, but we could easily see that tomorrow then it kind of feels like everyone's game. And I love the, you know, I know not a ton, ton, ton of the holds are like super memorable, but the finishing stretch at Rosin Georgia is going to be fun tomorrow. Like that's going to allow a lot of people to, if you are going

on some kind of crazy storybook finish, like it's a good place for it, right? They do some cool pins like today, like every single one of those holes had something to look for. 14, you can eagle, 15's pretty tough. Hold on, 16, short part three, 17's totally getable, and 18, we saw people have good looks at birdies too. I mean, you can, you can wrap it off a pretty amazing finish there tomorrow, but it's going to take really good golf. Hot take.

I mean, I'm honestly kind of, I mean, we're not on the ground, of course, and of course, as Ron pointed out, the TV made it looks way easier than it is, but I didn't just watch it. I just phoned out there. I didn't see anything questionable in what we watch today. It's just so hard to tell. This was what we were, I think we were talking about this on a text right earlier today, but every time I think we're all seeing George's feels kind of boring or kind of forgettable or whatever, I see a low shot of the course, like a really low drone shot or a great camera angle

that shows what the fairways look like. And like the place looks, there's just so many slopes out there that are so hard to see on TV. So it's just, I wish we had a better feel for the greens. We need Ken Brown out there, talking to his head. Oh my gosh, dude do we need some Brownie playing now? But like show us where and that's kind of where I don't know. He a little frustrated

because I know the TV is not I'm not the TV producer, but it's like when you got two guys coming off the course talking about like, yeah, these pins are like crazy. It's like, do which ones? I watch this. What are you talking about? Which explain what's going on? And how, which side of the fairway makes it harder to get to that pin? Or where are you trying to do? And that's what I mean, they did a good job on 17 of doing that.

But like, man, set me up for that stuff. Paint the picture. That's what I feel like I was able to digest. And again, watching Tussum's come through is so much better flow. And watching the way Speed's ball landed, coming into 18 versus Fatali.

Like Speed was coming in from the right side of that fairway. Hit a great shot, but landed on a down slope, coming into that pin and it just bounded over and it heathed up three putting it. Three putting it. Fatali's coming in from the left, kind of away from that mound that's protecting the front, right of that green.

It lands, it comes back and back spins a little bit and he makes the birdie. That kind of stuff was like, they weren't really highlighting that very well, but showed the angles mattered of that green. It lands, it comes back and backspins a little bit and he makes the birdie. Like that kind of stuff was like, they weren't really highlighting that very well, but showed the angles mattered on this shit. Especially, like the 14th hole so much goes into, when you put that pen front left, all of a sudden that T-shot becomes a lot different

because a lot of guys have been bailin' left for the most part of this week. You do that, even if you're in the fairway, you're shot towards the center of the green, now gets angled more towards that OB. So you got to take on the risk at some point. Marcel seemed hit at OB, but I got a certain point you got to step up and hit the shot, hit it in the fairway. More cow was approached into 14 was really good because his T-shot was perfect. He's coming in from the middle of the fairway. Didn't have to think about the

OB really with the win coming a little bit off the right. Like that kind of like chess match stuff is what Ling's golf is all about. Today was the first day I felt that watching the actual golf on TV. Yeah, well said. One thing we do gotta say about Moorcawa, I saw this in the comments, Clovin' Huff Music was talking about the open app radio coverage.

I know Tron was listening to that, he's traveling today. Apparently they were getting it. Moorcawa's ass about not being gracious enough on the 18th green. Not acknowledging the fans quite enough. A, that makes me want to listen to the shit out of that broadcast. Gotta check out what the spicy, the spicy British commentators are going off about tomorrow. And B, I think that's a huge storyline. We got to follow with Colin.

You know, maybe possibly the classiest young player that we've seen in, I don't know, 10 years. Didn't acknowledge the crowd. Does he really get it? Does he acknowledge the crowd? So it may not be worthy to be the champion goal for the year. I just want to put it out there. I just want to put it out there.

Clovin Hoopie. He didn't doff the cap. I hate that. I hate that. I know. God, that's disrespectful. That's a big story to watch, Gordon, tomorrow. Cory, three people are beating Cory Conner's at golf

through three rounds of this golf tournament that I've watched almost every minute of. Honestly, if we played last night, the Canadian Cory Conner's, of course. if we'd have played the did Corey make the cut or did he not, game, I might have lost that on that bet, but you can't show everyone I know. But I that was not followed very closely. Good for Corey Connors, man. Corey rounded it, man. Showed out at the majors this year, he's been, you know, he's been kind of one of those guys. It's like, you see him up there and he's kind of like,

ah, get that guy off my screen, but he's building critical mass. He keeps showing up, good for him. Plants him really, really good golf. He was second best round of the day at four under. Streumann shot four under today, it was a weird day. Robert McIntyre was low round with five under, co-crack shot four under today.

It was a weird day for scoring, not a lot of great scoring at the very top, but a couple guys, you know, were able to throw up some really good numbers. No, it did not throw up a good number today. Dustin Johnson. Not good. Or Brooks. Yeah, Brooks, where'd he go?

I didn't see where he finished, but I know he was. I'll take a shot two over. He's T25 right now. DJ, what did DJ end up shooting? Three over. Okay, that's better than I thought it was. Cause yeah, he birdie, okay, he made two birdies in the last five holes.

He was five over at one point, but yeah, you go and look at Justin's strokes gained over the last three months, he's like mad magnetly. Yeah, it's, and I kind of thought this week was gonna be a little turning point, but a couple big steps backwards today. I think it's almost, I mean, I could be talking to my ass, but I think this is a little bit of what I was 90% of what I was talking about with speed, right? Where it's like, Dustin seems like a pretty visual player as well, where he can, he, a

lot of times can just step up and like see the shot, hit the shot. And I think that works. And it can be like a great boost and a great, like, you know, kind of hit of juice when you when you need it, especially when he wasn't playing great coming in. But it doesn't replace like also just being really technically in control of what you're doing. And I almost think you see the opposite with ROM, right? Where it's like ROMs playing the best golf in the world other than Richard Blan, coming into the week and has a rough day on Thursday and maybe the course doesn't fit his eye or maybe that style isn't fit in his eye right away or whatever, but the technical proficiency just eventually wins at St. George's than some other road of courses. And it's known for the quirky bounces and everything, but that just goes to the conditions

and the lack of wind and lack of firmness, really. So, I'm just... Also, Loki, important, someone just mentioned this, but first, open championship for Colmore, Cala. That's a woefully under, under said thing the last couple days, right? Like he looks so comfortable the creativity of the American the lack of creativity for the American players Right they come over and play this gate this style of play. They have no idea how they're like fumbling around

They have no idea what they're doing Well, I would ask a couple of things there first first open. I would ask the British the betchy British commentators to be a little bit more graceful You know, he's probably feeling his way, how he needs to acknowledge the crowd. But of course, he needs to read his welcome packet, get all those customs that guys. I'm excited for tomorrow. The last guy to win. Oh, I mean, chips start. I don't have to tell you guys, Ben Curtis, right? Of course. Kent State alum. I'm sure he's in Corey Conner's ear, telling him all about St. George's. Golden flashes nation.

It's gonna be, are they the Golden flashes? They sure as LR, DJ, I'm proud of you. That's, they're gonna be just buzzing. One nugget I picked up leading up to this real St. George's Ben Curtis. Hard guy to track down for the media. Did not see that with comic. Didn't know how many media requests he's been filling for the last several years, but notoriously hard to track down for the media. Did not see that with Kubrick. Didn't know how many media requests he's been filling

for the last several years, but notoriously hard to track down Ben Curtis. Really? Yeah. I couldn't tell if you were being so serious. I was dead serious. Like dead serious. That's awesome.

Good. He doesn't know anybody anything. Yeah, I think he teaches a little bit and is just a family man. I think that's awesome. I think he probably, I think Sean McKeele's probably gone through this a little bit. They turn him the butt of these, which I know he's not. I know he probably, I think Sean McKeele's probably gone through this a little bit. They turn into the butt of these, which I know he's not.

I know he's not. Ben Curtis had a good career. He had a much better career than people remember, but they kind of turn into these guys that people like to like to shit on. Like how did they win a major? And dude, I would be so sick of answering questions about, you know, kind of backhanded compliment questions.

Get that out of here. He was a nobody when he won the open, but he won four PGA tour events, right? Which of course, go ahead, Randy. I mean, four times the amount of wins, so many, you know, of course. So, I'm one in the comments saying he has a podcast, so never fuck that guy, nevermind,

just about how big Kurt is. Just kidding. And this is where we remind people, like, Louie has one PGA tour win, you know? Ben Curtis won four times, that's awesome. 11 years ago, he has one win 11 years ago. He also had a runner up at a PGA tour. And he was runner up at the 2008 PGA.

You know the other thing I wanna say about Louie, maybe we unpacked this a little bit tomorrow on the podcast when it can dig in a little bit, but we talk a ton about like different majors fitting different styles of play and Louis like you know, he doesn't Hit it short by any means, but he doesn't nuke the ball, right and Kudos to him like he shows up everywhere. He shows up everywhere at pretty much every type of golf course pretty much every type of major I mean, that's it's really impressive and it kind of seems like this player that is starting to like not really exist anymore,

you know? Okay. So that's a great jumping off or jumping in point for something I want to discuss because he does show up everywhere, which I think is like, he, because he hits the ball so well, right? And Sully, I couldn't believe it. He's number one in putting this year, right? There's discussion on Twitter like, oh, if you're going to build a, I think Shane Bacon

was saying, like the perfect golf demeanor, it'd be Louis. So I'm sitting over here just like screaming to myself, then, then what's missing? You guys got to tell me what's missing? Like, why doesn't he win? It's the firm, everything. It's the Fermi paradox, you know? Yeah. If they were aliens out there, what would they be here right now? The fuck is going on? I'm just like, something's not adding up here, right? Yeah. Again, this is gonna go back to an argument that I have not won in your guys eyes,

but like, it's so hard to like go play major championship golf, beat 99% of the best players in the world and walk away from it, being like, yeah, but why didn't you beat a hundred of them? Like that one more person that you have to beat and if we're gonna say it's not been tied to collapses or not, you know, not being able to get it done in the clutch or anything like that,

then I think it, I hate like deferring to bad luck but it feels like, it feels like almost impossible that you could have that many close calls and not win more. Like, it's just the wrong side of coin flips. A lot. And he's in a coin flip right now. He's like almost 50, 50 to win this thing.

Another one. But the chances are the same that it's gonna flip, you know, yes or no tomorrow for him. It's not like it, the averages don't work like that. It's not gonna even out tomorrow. It's not greater chance that he's gonna win just because he's lost the last six of them. Right.

Yeah, that's what I said. I mean, I think there are, like once you get to the last, you know, nine holes, four holes, six holes, whatever, like I think there are things you can do, obviously, to put your thumb on the scale a little bit more. Don't hit it in the shit on 17 at Torrey Pines.

Like, I mean, that's the most obvious example, but you know what I'm saying? He hasn't made all the puts that he's needed to make. He hasn't done all the things. But when it comes down to it, it feels it's not just a matter of like this guy sucks and can't win. It's there is something else going on there, but you also can't ignore the first. Like, there should be more. Yeah. I mean, you know, you don't end up on the wrong side of a coin flip

if you go out and win by four, right? You could always be four shots better and go win it, right? So I hear you there. Just think about this though, if he's got an eight footer to win tomorrow and it rolls over the right edge. Just like, I blow, I kind of go crazy about these things.

Imagine the degree. I'm gonna tweet so hard. Imagine the degree of which something you had to do differently for that ball to have fallen the other way. Hey, why didn't you hit the ball? A quarter of an inch more further left than you would have won the major. It's like, all right, well, that means I need to close

the putter face from this far to that, not even that far. That would probably be too much. Or my putting stroke needed to change this degree to the minute details of some of this shit and watching Putt flip out the highest level when they have this much on the line. I don't know how you tolerate that. I don't know how you train your body, your whole life to deal with things that like be so freaking like I did literally all I could to try to make that puttin didn't go in So do you believe in free will or do you think everything's predetermined?

You know what I'm the tromba still figuring that out Randy just heard another podcast to talk about that This is where let's just like hit a quick drive by a Fino, but this is where I always laugh about Fino is like He doesn't get to that point, you know, I mean he never okay This is not real, but this is why I think they're different. Seriously, I think Finau and Louis are massively different in that Louis, like continues to actually be a contender for these things.

Whereas Tony gets to number seven, and it's like, oh fuck, I just hit in the water. Or like, Finau, Louis just added a win riff. I missed a three flutter. Yeah, an eight flutter to win riff. Like that's a good example. That was one. Out of like, Fina, Lille just added a win riff. I missed a three flutter. Get an eight flutter to win riff. Like that's exactly the example. That was one out of like, yeah. Why don't you list some other great chances

that he had to really knock him down on 18. The one right before that, and then the next week. You know what, Randy, you know what I'm saying? Oh, I totally know what you're saying. I think it's like, Tony, Tony doesn't even get himself into position to get that big break. Exactly.

Not what we're talking about. Which I thought that the unpredictability at Royal State George's, I thought was gonna remind him this week of being on the big break and some of the challenges he faced there. But all the wall out, let him hit some flops. All you guys are doing is presenting more evidence

of how bad a guy you are. No one, you're just shoe-horning feet now into this conversation. Not relevant to this conversation. The links master. Scotty Shephler sitting there at T4, eight under. Very personally, would love it if you go out and get some birds tomorrow. We have a birth into the Draft Kings Fantasy Championship series on the line here. I'm about three points. We need, we need Scotty tomorrow. That's our guy.

That's, that's the big one. Scotty vs. Cam and we're, we're, we're going to the championship. If you win that, that would be bigger than any win in Fina's career. You winning, you winning the Draft King's entry into the fantasy world championship is the same as winning the Puerto Rico. It's a bigger field than the Norwegian torment. That's the highest compliment I could give you. Thank you. That means a lot. I know you guys have really

rooting for me. Scotty. Scotty's, um, Scotty's put himself in contention. Man, he could have super impressed with what he's done this year. It'll be interesting to see his trajectory over the next couple years whether this is just a hot you know few months or if this is really building into something bigger. He and Hovlin seem very comparable like very very high floor like neither of them. Hovlin's won a couple of events, kind of smaller events, but haven't really broken through on the big stage yet, but like, gosh, keep contending when, you know,

the best fields of golf get together. I, I wish Havans was in contention. It's kind of time. He would make this leaderboard a lot, a lot more, like this leaderboard's already almost maximum fun. I think he would be. He's the only guy I would add. We'd love to see him really like in the mix tomorrow, but say lobby.

Can't have it all. So we've kind of danced around it, but I'm curious, you guys who you'd like pick up, and maybe it's not that time yet, but I think before we sign off, we got a pick winner, but also DJ, I was really surprised. I want to know who you're rooting for, first and foremost. No question, spieth. 100% spieth, I'll stay with spieth as my pick. I think he's going to go shoot 65 and do all sorts of statistically unlikely things to

go knock it down. But yeah, I mean, if I'm getting the calculator out and trying to figure out what I think is gonna happen, like it's probably gonna be Louie or Colin. And if you're pinning me down to pick one of those two right now, I'm gonna say Louie. Mm. Mm. I probably just run everything back that you just said.

Like, of course, my heart, my heart is saying speed. My head is saying Louie. I'm not gonna name any other body parts or things I don't think I'm not going to name any other body parts are thinking of that. Randy. What does, I think I'm talking myself into more kawa. Like what is, let's just hypothetically, what does a more kawa win tomorrow? Like what does that mean?

What is that? Like two majors in two years, 24. Do you see the Justin Ray stat on that? He pulled it up. two majors in two years, 24. Do you see the Justin Ray stat on that? I see if he pull it up. Like the only two guys to win two majors in their first eight major starts as they're currently defined

as like Bobby Jones and Hagen or something like that. Let me see if I can find it. I think so a couple of things on Sarah's and Bobby Jones, both born in 1902. Whoa. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Incredible. I wonder if they doff their caps afterwards though.

They probably weren't even wearing caps. They could avoid that snafu. People were different back then. But they, the one thing I would say about Moore Cowler, it's kind of like where the tiebreaker goes for me is, he looked like pretty uncomfortable coming out of the gates today. And we got it still remembered like he, what is he looked pretty uncomfortable coming out of the gates today. And we got it still remembered. What is he? 24? He's playing the open for the first time.

He doesn't have, I mean, I know he won a PGA. He won it from way behind. He wasn't in the lead group. There was no fans there. I mean, he's still, understandably, I would think, is going to be pretty nervous. And Louis looked completely flat line. Came in and like, he missed both puts, but came in and flagged it at the first two holes. Like he just doesn't look around. But isn't Louis scar tissue more than Collins though? I guess.

Right, there's more pressure on Louis than Collins. Yeah, but he just doesn't seem, I don't know, he doesn't seem to show it though. Like, it's possible to ignore though. It is, it is, but he seems, I don't know, at the same time, he's also had a lot of chances, what's the right way to say it, the scar tissue is also like experience, right? He also has just been in that situation a lot more times. So, yes, maybe they compound and this one gets worse and the next one gets worse and

the next one, but I think at least he's saying all the right things. Like we were saying on Thursday, he had great quotes about, I look back at all those and I really had tried really hard to remind myself like you did not give those away. Those were positive experiences and it's kind of what you say, right? Is finishing second at a major,

like is that worse than not being in contention? I got to just look at it that way. So I don't know. I'm a big believer in, it was either on, I could it's not a original thought, but you know, to win a major over four days, you're going to have at least nine holes, 18 holes where you don't have your A game, right?

And what I'm trying to figure out is if, I'm not sure if we've seen the sketchy potential golf from Louis yet, maybe is back nine today, but I feel like that front nine today from Colin was that a little bit. And it almost makes me like those two puts he hit on the par save and then the bogie save on one and two were like massive. I'm kind of talking myself into like, he might be through the woods here and, and you know, obviously felt really comfortable

coming in, you know, ran some putts just by, but I got it, he just seemed so steady, man. And his win at Harding Park, that drive on what was it? 16, like he, I guess as a golf fan, and his win at Harding Park that drive on what was it? 16. I guess as a call fan, I'm really excited if you to see him in the spot tomorrow because you know, like you said earlier in the park has like people want to invest in greatness or potential greatness. So I feel like he could put himself in a position where it's like, Oh, shit. Like we joke about the baby go, right? But all of a sudden, he's got to be considered

among, you know, the best in the game and somebody that could do some pre historically unprecedented things. Well, I think I hate saying this because I think speed in my mind has seven majors. But like, I'm just going here. All of a sudden, you wake up tomorrow morning, or you know, you could wake up Monday morning. And and more cal has two majors and speed has three. I said, right? Having said that literally to this point, the reason why we're still surprised so amped on speed is that this age of more cal speed had three of them. And when he was age 21, he won the first two of the year, finished a shot out of a playoff

in college. Should have still been in college. Should have still been in college. Finished a shot out of a playoff at the open and then finished second at the PGA in one year in the age 21 season. So, Morick House late bloomer coming out of college, spent four years in college, came out as polished

as you can be, professional career off to incredible start, looks to be around for quite a long time. It's always easy to project it out. As we've learned, hopefully learn some lessons with speed and Rory. I was on record saying Rory gets 10 and speed gets eight. And yeah, I would revise both of those now. Give both of them more, of course.

But I think the titillating thing with more a call with us, if he is as good an iron player as everybody says he is like the best since tiger like that. I think that pushes him to like, oh shit. It gets very interesting when you're talking about where he could go. Well, that's what I was going to say to about spieth and why was spieth able to kind of hang on during his struggles, right? It was because of his iron play.

I think it's kind of the whole misunderstanding that everybody thinks like, you know, oh, well, he just makes every pot. And that's why he was so good. And there were certainly some truths to that, especially in 2015. But like 2017, it wasn't the Potter man. It was the Iron's.

And that's what keeps you consistent theoretically, right? I will say, I think I'm officially old and think I've officially learned enough lessons to say this in advance of Moorakala. It's so easy to sit here and think that've officially learned enough lessons to say this in advance of more cala. So easy to sit here and think that iron play lasts forever. And like almost literally no one has it last like on repeat for decades. Who's been the longest non non tiger non I guess spieth like who's been the best iron player over the last.

Seven years. Dustin. Uh gosh. Yeah. I don't want to like the what. in the best Iron Player over the last seven years. Dustin? Gosh, yeah, I don't wanna, like what, I thought you were gonna say like over decades what was coming to mind was Sergio. It was like the longevity of Sergio's ball striking is what came to mind, but he was never, I don't know, again, could be speaking on a master.

I don't remember him ever being like peak, like number one Iron Player in any of those years, but that's a good question. People throwing out Paul Casey, which I know will get Randy going. You make it. Justin Rose. That's a good, Justin Rose is a good one.

Honestly, Louise, a good one. Brooks, I don't know if Brooks has been quite that long, but. Well, I'm sure there's a very searchable database on the PGA tour website where you could go get that data probably in download. In a few years, see you. Pretty quickly, yeah. Yeah, yeah website where you could go get that data probably in download. A couple of years.

Pretty quickly. Yeah. Yeah. It's probably pretty easy. So I could see if that is a data golf thing. There's shit is just freaking, oh sure enough, custom range. You can do that on data golf. You guys talk about something, I'll get you your answer for what you're looking for.

Randy, surprise the English didn't buck today. I'm very surprised. You know, I put them on blast, I thought they're very proud people. I thought they'd respond. I thought they're gonna answer the bell. That's exactly how it works. Exactly. Sure, sure as hell didn't.

What's your watch setup looking like? You know, you're kind of on an island out there in Deadware. My watch, what do you mean? Like what do you, you know, what you're getting up, you make a coffee, you go in and get going and getting coffee, what do you know, what are you doing? Yeah. Well, I get up by my own time. I usually get some with conditions there, right? I saw the leaders tee off today. I was up a little before that. And yesterday I got coffee today. I made coffee. I think tomorrow I'm going to try to get up, go get coffee, maybe read

for a little, get my mind cleared, and then strap in for, you know, all of the final groups. I like that. You good? I'm working on it. It's, it's, it's queuing. All right. Well, the other 11 years of data, this was surely before, uh, before Randy woke up, but do we want to talk about the Rory, uh, kind of false start today at all or no? The false start just, you know, Rory waking up seeing Rory's 500 through nine, 400 through nine, whatever. Today was the first day I woke up. I saw the, yeah, I saw the ministry and I just, I didn't even get excited.

Didn't even fall for it. Not like you are not getting me this time around. I don't want to be around anymore. I don't want to do it. I just didn't, didn't even come close to falling for it. I was proud of myself. I've come a long way. This was the first time that that collapsed just did not affect me.

I'm quite proud of that. Thank you. Where do you fall on DJ? We discussed Rory yesterday and his post-round comments of, I think somebody asked him if, like, his, yeah. If he's being affected by like wanting to win too much and he was like, no, like, I have a great family. I don't want for anything. Like, it's not that.

You know, it's healthy. Is it disappointing as a golf fan? Do you think he's kind of lying to himself? What, where do you shake out with that? I think he, I think like we have his entire career, like you gotta take him at his word, and I think he's probably just being a little too honest as he's as he's want to do.

But I also like in a weird way, I think I, you know, big both sides guy, right? As you said, but I want to both express my like utter disappointment in like, man, what the hell? Like in my life, you're supposed to be the guy who's out there like sacrificing everything and just fucking stepping on people's throats. And I want to watch you win a major like once every three years.

And I don't think that's too much to ask. I don't know why you don't kill yourself to go do that. But obviously I don't think that's too much to ask. I don't know why you don't kill yourself to go do that. But obviously, I feel having said that, that him just being like, dude, you know what, man? Like, I think I got it, I kind of won at life, and I don't really want to be the guy that you probably have to be to go win majors. Like, I cannot respect that anymore and understand that anymore.

So it's like, yeah, it's super disappointing for me, but like, you know, would it be better if like on his death bed, he was like, man, I got those majors, but like, I didn't really see my kid grow up or like get to know my wife at all. Like, you know, I don't think I can really ask him to do that, either. So it's, it's, it's just, you know what, Randy, like most things in life, it's complex, I think.

Yeah, yeah, it is, yeah. I'm still conflicted with conflicted. You've soured on them. I don't wanna air you out, but I sent a very momentous internal sea change, especially with you and Tron towards Rory, the golfer. The answer yesterday, again, I feel like for the last several years on this pod, especially

with interviewing guys, and as I've matured and gotten married and become, I would say, somewhat close to a real adult, I'm way more sympathetic and understanding of balancing on and off course. And like, understanding how guys do this with kids and stuff like that, I don't understand. Like a lot of them kind of have kids and get married and do this very seamlessly. So I'm sick, I understand what he's getting at. I just didn't like that it was like, hey are you trying to heart it this?

And he totally flipped the question into like, no, I'm happy, I'm happy off the course, all this. He's like, yeah, you didn't really answer the question. Are you answering in a different way? I'm like, no, I'm not really even trying. If that's the case, then I'm not really even trying. If that's the case, then like, yeah, I'm not super-amp to root for that,

because I said this last night, I'm amped to watch Swaggy Rory be super honest, open an interview, funny's in interviews, being not afraid to take topics on, and go out and beat and guys ask, playing through the final group, and playing through the group ahead of you in the final hole of a major

and going out winning four of these things to them by eight. Like that was easy to root for, but if it's gonna be like, yeah, you know, I'm fine, all that. Like I get that, like that's good perspective to have, but again, I fall back on that speed quote of like, you know, being really comfortably financially, he said it was a crutch.

It was like a crutch and inhibitor to playing good golf. And I just found that those two answers to that kind of questioning, very telling, I don't know. I think that's totally fair, but I don't know, I guess. And maybe it doesn't last forever. The baby's less than a year old and he's a new dad and like maybe if he's taken a year and this is, you know, maybe he's burned out a little bit on golf

and being a pro for 10 years and, you know, dealing with all the stuff that comes with being a mega star in golf and dealing with just golf in general is really freaking annoying. All the requests that come in, all the stress, be on, be on, be on every day. Like, of course I can understand that burn in somebody out. So I just, so I'm, this is gonna be a weird place to start, but I've been thinking about Bryson a lot just the last couple days since his quotes. And I think maybe we'll get into this more tomorrow because I'm gonna need some more time

to think about what I'm trying to say. But I wish everything, like it's very easy. And I think it makes for a good podcast and I think it makes for all this stuff when you, when everything is black and white. Yeah, right. And it's just really, it's nothing in life. So easy to be on the podcast and be like, bro, this is a fucking dick.

I don't know what he's doing. And like, you start to unpack like, wow, fuck, I don't know. Maybe he's like, he's probably had a really weird life when you think about it. Like he's probably has been picked on a ton. He's probably like been looking for validation and all kinds of different weird places.

And now like he finally reaches the pinnacle of his sport. And everybody's making fun of him all the time. That has to be really weird. So does that excuse him lashing out at allegedly treating people like shit? No, it doesn't. So that's where it's kind of like, there's just a bunch of... All these things are super complex. As complex as you're kind of willing to make them.

I think Rory is exactly the same thing, right? It's everything I just said where it's like, dude, I would love nothing more as a golf fan, as a very selfish person who watches golf. Like, Rory, I wish you would just be a sociopath who thinks about nothing but golf and steps on people's faces because you're my favorite person to watch and I love it. But like, he's done that for long enough now and he's earned the right, like both literally, financially and also just like, intangibly.

He's earned the right where it's like, do you just do it however you think is best, man? And like where I would agree with what both you and Tron are talking about is where I'm at is kind of like, do we just don't need to show them all the time. Like, he's another, like, this pains me to say cause I love Rory, but like, he's just another dude. He's Tommy Fleetwood at this point, right?

And like, his majors were, what, going on seven, eight, nine years ago, eight years ago? And, yeah. Well, once we get through the British, I mean, I don't think he's winning tomorrow. He's 11 back. But by the time we get to the 2022 masters, he's what, it's been seven and a half years. Here are the guys that are three spots above and three spots below Rory and Stroke's game over the last six months to that point. It walking Neiman, Cameron Tringoli, Jason Kochrack are all above him. And then Max

Homa, Hadecki, Chris Kirk are the three right below him. This isn't what? Sorry. And Strokes came to the last six months. So like basically what the kind of play, what level player have you been over the last six months? That's so I guess time, time to bow on my long rant here. I guess what I'm trying to say is if, if that's how he wants to look at it, like I don't fault him at all. And if he wants to have the perspective that it seems like he has and he wants to have his family

occupy a bigger part of his life than his golf, like dude, by all means, like go for it. Yeah, but I think like us as media, it's like all right, well cool, like then he's just kind of another guy now at this point. He shouldn't be leading major previews, he shouldn't be leading the telecast, it shouldn't really be a featured group thing,

but then you flip that on a Ted and it's like, well, he's kind of the guy I want to watch, right? I don't really want to watch. There's just not enough superstars out there and that gets us into the whole thing we're talking about Louis, right? And like, why do people not gravitate more towards him? It's just, I don't know, complex.

Yeah, I can't get too worked up about the coverage because it's totally understandable to show them. I mean, I watch Phil's feature group every time they put it on. And before he won the major, like was he deserving of that with his play? Like Hell no. Right. Is he been after Hell no?

Um, I think there's, I think also though there is. Part of as many majors post 50 as Louie does in his career. Hard, God, you love just, you love, you're the king of exacerbation. It's tough like that in context. It's, it's unbelievable. I think there's also something to be in a professional back. Why, baby?

Go back. Part of being a top level professional golfer is understanding how to compete when you are unable or unwilling or why, I'm not saying I'm willing to put in the work, it's just like your time has now changed, right? So part of that is how do you become the best golfer you can when your practice days used to be eight hours and now they're four because you need to be back for this.

And you know, it might be like Stacy Lewis talked about that. Like everything in my life geared around being playing my best golf and now that's no longer the case. So now, how do I have to prepare differently so that when I go tee it up in a major, it's one worth my time. And I'm now better prepared to compete. Like how he's gonna compete in a major now

is gonna be different than when he was 21 years old and he's gotta learn how to do that. So I'd rather hear him say that than like resigning himself to having a great life and all that stuff. Like you can have that perspective in your world of like, yeah, everything, I'm very thankful for all that I have. You had at the same time, like when you show up to compete, like I wanna see the fire,

like if I'm gonna be like, rider, dyin' and rooting for you. Totally. And that's, I guess what I'm, well my book presupposes is, maybe you shouldn't root for it. Like yeah, I think that's exactly right. Yeah.

I think if, you know, maybe he might not be the guy he wanted to be. Yeah. Now on that fucking existential depressing. It's about should we wrap it up? I think it's about time. Yeah. I got nothing more.

Do we have any Dylan for Telly? So many people have go to me into looking at the Barbersaw leaderboard for the first time by reading the comments. James Han 11 under through 16. Nice tour. Whoa. Just today.

Yeah. Wow. Really? Really? 11 under 316. Is he doing that dance? What was that dance he did? Uh, Gangnam style. No, no, no, you didn't know what it was. Yeah. I can't think of the name. I can see it, but I was struggling with the name of it. No, uh, you know, no, no word on that yet, Randy. We're still efforting that. But it is a par 72. So just for the 59 watchers out there.

That's a good comment. It's like a tough weather break in the girls junior today. Hate that. Is the person leading dormi or is the person trailing dormi? How you always get this wrong? I will, none dallies. I could say it both ways and get it wrong, both ways somehow.

Okay, well, Rose Zang is five up with five, is it five to play 33, 33, 34, 35, six to play? Five up with six to play and there are no weather delay. That's the final. Yeah, in the final over Bailey Davis, which it doesn't look like she's going to win, but incredible story was trying to become the first black female to win any USGA title, which also might not be true because USGA is still figuring that out. They're investigating it. Yeah. Okay.

All right. USGA both said that and is now trying to figure it out. Well, Rose Zangit appears to be a star. And then what else was I going to say? It looks like the Jitana Garn sisters are in control at the LPGA event, which is cool. Four up with, yeah, five to play. So we got questioned.

If you were looking for the deep dive into the Stroke's gained approach numbers, I'm struggling a little bit with the data golf website and need a little more time because it looks like you can only query a certain number of rounds. But if you go back to 2017, the leader in Stroke's game to approach, and he's had 334 registered rounds with it, calling more, Cal.

JT is number two. And Casey's number three, Hadecki Ford's, Al Torz five. Something done seem right with this query though, because it's got 409. Again, okay. We'll dive into this tomorrow. Okay. Now's not the time, but sometime between now and the masters, we're gonna have to talk about,

we're gonna have to have a real discussion about JT. Glad you said that. I will. People keep looking at me like, why does he get such a passive? We talk about this every major, like how he's not very good at majors. This is, I would call that the opposite of giving him a pass,

but we can discuss it again, of course. It is surprising, look, pulling up the long, there'll be a terminal diagnosing. Oh, no, really. It's got symptoms then. That don't typically look good. Well, he's got eight months, you know, for the masters.

There's no pleasure to say that. Yeah, well, we'll see. We got a, we got a really invested. The tests, the test typically take around eight months to come back. So we should have more word in April So yeah, the longer I go back it's still more a Cal a Casey Thomas Hadecki Adam Scott and Strokes can approach so And take that for what it's worth

All right, let's wrap it all right. Let's do it guys. That was that was fun I'm very pumped for tomorrow. I know we got to bleak and dark there for a minute But I'm really excited to see what happens. No, tomorrow's gonna be brilliant. All right, guys, see you tomorrow. See ya, bud. Cheers. All along, come along, sing the open song and a fight, and you might blend a cheer. Either when she is strong now the days are quite long Along the city of the sun