No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 458: British Open Recap, Round 4

Episode Date: July 19, 2021

Collin Morikawa completes a historic and dominant week by winning the 149th Open Championship. We react, play the over/under major game for Collin, discuss another Louis close call, Spieth's run, Royal St. George's, Rory, Bryson, Hamsterdam, and a lot more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Music All along, come along, sing me open song Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to live from the Killhouse, solid here, British show UK British open, presented by our manager, the Queen Sunday recap DJ Pies here in the studio. Hello, Deage greetings. Hello, how are you calling in from our remote locations? We got TC Hello TC. Hello, I'm in the midden.

He's way up north. We got a big Randy, big Randy is here. Hello, Randy. Hello, Randy. Hello, gentlemen. How are we today? What a day. Most important questions have been flowing in

is, is more a cow of the kid? Like, we're gonna, I think we're gonna have to get to that. We're gonna get to that. We're gonna get to John Rom's week here, a little later in the show, but a quick reminder about what was in his bag that charged up the leaderboard that cost me a birth into the fancy golf championship.

I'm not gonna be bitter about that and bring it up many times throughout the show. He had epic speed driver X4, utility driving iron, apex TCB irons, jaws forged wedges, a chrome soft X golf ball. And on the greens, he's using an Odyssey white hot OG Rossi putter. Just about the same set of P used to win the US Open in June. Do you want to get it something? You want to get something in?

It's just so sick that this is the Adred and John Rob played so well today that it costs all you like $15,000. It's just why almost certainly more than that. Now, yes, do an Adred about it. He got plenty of airtime this week. So now we got a full view of the Travis Matthew and Quater Gears. He's been wearing the heater poloo Travis Matthew's best selling open to close pant and the Quater wild card shoes and leather. We also saw Dylan for Tally rocking

some Quater shoes. I believe those were the money makers. If you could notice the Calaway limited edition open-champ jam jibag their players were using this week. It's over on Calaway Golf Instagram. You have a chance to win one until Monday night. Pacific. So go check that out on their Instagram. And lastly, quick shout out to Callie golf staff, professional Ed Perino from Eagle Rock Resort to call metalist honors in the Pennsylvania open qualifier at Chambersburg Country Club. So congratulations to Ed. We'll have a full topic on this later in the show. Guys, I just want to say, uh, Ron went on a heater, didn't open well, closed well,

and, uh, and kept selling from being the money maker. You were standing with that partner. Oh God, I have not cut out for the fantasy golf life, man. I would just, from the other side of the house, my wife would just hear a distant. Fuck! Hey, is everything okay? Yeah, Rom has to another birdie.

Gosh, so I'm sure that's where everyone's. You feel better, Mike Wallace cost me 16K. So I hate what we've turned into. This is how we're opening the show. I hate that guy. I really hate that. So there's more, Kyle, the kid. I don't think he's the kid.

He's not the kid. I don't think he's the kid. I think he's truly like he's too polished. The kid has to be, if you're gonna be the kid, you gotta be a little more dangerous. You gotta be living, we heard Bryson mentioned this phrase, I've been using it all week, but you gotta be living on the razor's edge.

If you're the kid, you gotta be like, kinda, the whole point of being the kid is just really pretending like you're one of the adults when you're not quite there. Moorakawa is an adult. He is, he's the, he might be the man. Yeah. As that's a good one.

He might be the dude at this point. He would not get just a point. Just to push back a little there, DJ though. I, not the kid with his play, but when he started mc. Yeah. It's a trophy. That's the closest he's ever been. He could be the, yes.

Yeah. He was starting to feel himself a little bit. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So he said something along the lines of like, gosh, I can't, it seems like just two years ago, I was an amateur in your spot. It's like, no, you literally were an amateur type two years ago. All more cowboys.

It's like two years ago, we were watching him in Reno. I was thinking about that. He was doing, he was on a sponsor exemption in Reno, an opposite field event. He would go on to win that, and he's now won five times professionally since turning pro two years ago. Imagine this on Twitter, many people forget. He should be in grad school.

He very much should be. He should be in an MBA program. Could be getting prepped for an MBA program at the moment. At the Bill Haas school there. Exactly. Exactly. The J-Haas school. This is bad.

Yeah, of course. A rare feat of not in the same grand slam year, but winning two majors within a year, being a weird kind of calendar thing we've got going on this year. And this one was, I said this on Twitter, but it was like, there's something to a definitive winner of a championship. Like the PGA, he obviously went out and got it and played better than everyone, but it was like, there's something to a definitive winner of a championship. Like the PGA, he obviously went out and got it and played better than everyone, but it was such a scramble there at the end.

It was kind of like, all right, whoever's gonna get hot is gonna end up winning this thing, probably by like one. And this was like, nah, pretty much from the middle of the front nine yesterday until the end. It was just, it was class. No bogies coming down the stretch. I have a major championship and he's 24 freaking years old

and his first open. Like that's just, was it class. No boats coming in down the stretch. I have a major championship. He's 24 freaking years old and his first open. Like that's just, was it like the most exciting ever? No, but like was that like just class championship golf? That's what that was. I got I got revved up on the back nine. I was obviously rooting for speed and we'll talk plenty about speed, but this will be a rare one where I think we can't even, we can't start with speed.

No matter how, you know, we can can no matter how much we might want to. But no, I was with you a little bit. It felt like it started a little slow and then I was just completely, like more of how I just blew my doors off today. That was like, I could not be more impressed with every single aspect of what he did. It was a masterclass.

Does anybody miss watching puts on like 12 and a half stimp in greens with like super lush greens? Anybody miss that this week? Was that a big help to mount for sure? Oh, for sure. You know, like somebody texted me, a friend texted me and he was like, Hey, like, you know, you think you miss is one of these like the, the four or five footer that he had on, was that 14 or 15? Yeah, a couple of them coming in. He hearted all of them.

Like they were all dead centered. Not sticking anything away from them, but yeah, I mean, it's not the same greens that he's missing a two and a half footer on at Colonial or whatever. Right. Yeah, I mean, he potted lights out. And yeah, I mean, I think it was actually good

on some of those holes. He was 12, 15, 20 feet away and could give it an aggressive stroke. He's not playing defense, right? He's trying to get the ball in the hole to the hole, pass the hole. Yeah. I just think golf watching putting on greens like that is way more fun than even, you know, we talk a lot about the shot making and stuff that goes into Ling Skolf and that's pretty obvious, but I would rather watch Greens play like that.

I should've probably explained why, but I just don't love having everything be due, I have to go and die speed. This was kind of like a go get it, and you're not like sitting on a razor's edge if I may borrow a phrase from you on every five footer. Yeah, okay. It just allows so many more cool hole occasions to do.

I mean, I know the guys were bitching about yesterday. I thought yesterday. Very likely. One guy was one guy, Louie, and he didn't end up winning. I was assigned a thing to come. No, but still the guys were bitching privately about it. You know, I just thought that was, you know, listen, it's a major championship. It's a psychological test.

You know, I had that on my notes to definitely talk about whenever we get into the course, but there were so many good examples of like number two was a great example of a pin that was right. They're just right next to those little valleys and little falloffs and you got to really decide which side of the hole you're going to be on. We saw Jordan and Louis both miss on the wrong side on number two. They both got it up and down, but pretty dodgy little little spots to be early in the day. Number 12 was right next to one of those those same ones. And yeah, if the greens are the normal speed that we see week to week,

like you can't see those pins. And that is kind of what decides the championship, right? And that's where more of how are really on was it 15 where he pulled it left and was shortsighted. I mean, that to my memory, I'm sure he had a couple others, but I can't think of any other times where he was on the wrong side of the whole. You know what I mean? That's why he went long-right on 10.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And just drained another crazy, that's the two puts, the puts on three puts, the put on 10, the put on 14, the put on 15, were like really the only what ifs available today. And it was very unlikely he would make all three of those, but he poured them into the dead center of the hall. So Randy, what do you got?

What stood out to you today? Just a master class. I think it was just really, really, really proper golf. He announced his present TC. I thought your tweet today, talking about Colin and Jordan are going to show up and thrive at a lot of the same venues and types of courses was an excellent one. They got me very excited because if the cliche styles make fights, then sign me up for as many more Kawa V. Speed fights as those two will possibly allow us because I just think they they're

similar and they contrast in really interesting ways. So I thought, you know, watching, watching Jordan try and try to make a run there on the on the back nine, it was just a wonderful day to go off. I don't find myself, I'm not the transition to speed and we can get back to Colin. I don't find myself kicking, kicking myself not the transist in this to speak, and we can get back to Colin. I don't find myself kicking myself as if I was able to do it. I'm not super anxious about this speech finish, right? I mean, this feels like a deserved second place finish.

Didn't feel like he played good enough, quite good enough to win. I'm not kicking myself over the Bogey Bogey finish on 17, 18 yesterday. It was very inconvenient timing and all that, but like he was beat by calling. Like that was pretty clear, I'd say. The only counter to that, Bacon tweeted this as I was kind of mosey and over here, but he said, quote, the thing I keep going back to about those closing bogies for spieth on Saturday is that a par, par finish would have bumped more a cow out of the final pairing and put Jordan in the final pairing with Louis, which I guess I didn't hear what he said,

but I guess Jordan made that same point in the post game afterwards. And who knows? You know, I don't think it's not like Mark howe was looking super flappable. I don't know if it was the kind of situation where Jordan's going to like hang up a, you know, run him down or something, but you know, that's the only thing I would say about those last two bogies, I guess. I'd be a lot more worried about. I mean, first of all, I think, Steve isn't all the way back yet, right?

We're still nursing him back to health. We're still, we're still, he's close. He's gotta be close. He's close, but like he was saying to himself in the post game, he was saying like, hey, like I'm still working on some stuff. I've still got some scar tissue that I'm knocking off that I'm trying to get, you know,

I'm trying to hit certain shots under pressure that I haven't yet since I've kind of been back. So I think, you know, I'm trying to hit certain shots under pressure that I haven't yet since I've kind of been back. So I think, you know, I think he'll be fully up and fully operational come, you know, come March, you know, February, March, April next year. But I would be more worried about the two bogies, like the bogie on four and the bogie on six, than I would the bogies on 17 and 18 yesterday.

The bogies on four and six today were not good. The fact that he was starting the day three back and hit what like one of his first six greens. Yeah, I'm like, I didn't get it done probably. That's why I just felt like it wasn't meant to be. Yeah, like I, I, but then again, like maybe he's in the final group, you know, or, or, you know, one back or something like that,

going into today that he's, he's not pressing or he's being more patient there from the start, not trying to force the issue. So the two, going back to Moore Cowell, the two stats that blow me away, which everybody will be saying over and over and over, but I don't even know how to like contextualize these. I don't think is winning the PGA in his first start at the PGA, winning the open in his first start at the open and winning two of his first eight majors. So it's like J Ray stats here. A few of his fewest major starts needed to win twice since Bobby Jones, which was eight.

A second to win the open championship and PGA championship before age 25. Can you guess who the first was? Yeah. Yeah. Youngest to win the Open when trailing, entering the final round since 1979. Sevy. Third all time to win multiple majors when trailing through 54 holes before age 25. That's company with Jack and Bobby Jones. 10th to win open debut and first to do it since Ben Curtis in 2003. 4th American to win the open before the age of 25 joining spieth Tiger Bobby Jones. That's all, of course, Justin Ray golf on Twitter.

That's fucking absurd. You see the names, the names that were said here, other than Ben Curtis's name being said there. It was Nicholas Jones, Tiger, Sevy. Yeah, that's kind of company we're in right now. That's, that's Hennie's the best iron player in the world. Like he's probably, he may not be all that, I mean, he's still long, but like he's not crazy long. It's like he's probably one of the best drivers of the golf ball in the world too. That's what's for me. It's too like, you know, he's going to hit good on your shots. He's in a fair way.

Yeah. He's in certain spots and just it's in the fair way, man. If golf was less of a driving contest and not that Moor Cowell has a deficiency in driving distance, but if it looked a lot more like this, we just would see a lot more of them. Like this makes all the sense in the world. I mean, it, you know, driving it super far had almost no benefit this week. And when that's not a requirement, like, it could even be like to your detriment. Good, yes.

But to this point, like, seeing giving him multiple opportunities to hit iron after iron after iron after iron from in play, just with how accurate it is, up to you, like, this is what's gonna happen. Even just, just by not predicting this in any way, yeah, this is what's gonna happen. Did I was gonna say say did it surprise anybody? Or was it, I shouldn't. Kind of just confirmation of what everybody has always said

about this guy that we figured we'd probably see. I can't time him in picks. He's obviously done a shitload of damage and every time I feel like I am on the more couch train, it doesn't work out for whatever reason. So I can't sit here and gloat that I saw this coming in any way, but I don't see how. Yeah, I think I mentioned them along with 30 to 35 others

in our previous show. Coming in the movie. He needs a chip, he needs a chip you offer that. Yeah, it was like, oh, this is a second shot golf course. All right, here's the, you know, but that said, I also mentioned burger or, you know, but I think with him, it's just like, it just feels like it's so, for someone who's making their open championship debut to win, it's just such an impressive thing.

That's what I said. It's just like that's the one that you're not supposed to win in your debut. And maybe it's a rural sense George thing too, because you've got Ben Curtis as well. And there's some flair or some spunk there. But overall, it was interesting how he credited the Scottish Open last week, even though it's not necessarily a Lynx course, but particularly with the turf. And you would think, you know, it seemed like he, he switched just some different irons, I think, into shorter irons,

and really had some issues last week figuring out the turf. And it seemed like he adjusted and transitioned, like masterfully this week. So, but yeah, I mean, like seeing him flight really, really good mid irons and short irons off of really, really firm, like proper turf in the UK. It doesn't get any better than that.

I think it, go ahead, Rene. No, sorry. I just like reiterate that point. It just struck me today. Like, my idea of golf, like, who's better at the game of golf? Call him more a Kawa or got like Bryson D. Shambo, right? Like, like, who do you think's more skilled at the game of golf? I just felt like this week in watching him, it's like, oh my god, he's so technically percent, like he is good. And I think, yeah, it, for whatever reason, I kind of just washed over me and Bryson's the poster child for just like that different style of golf. And Randy, I wouldn't even, I just washed over me and Bryson's the poster child for just that

different style of golf. And Randy, I wouldn't even, I would say, I would throw Rory in there or I'm trying to think who else, like, kind of typifies that bomber mentality, but not to cheapen your argument, right? It it's not just about Bryce and Bobby. It's a Rory or a, you know, or a DJ or something. Even DJ is gonna say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Only defense I'll make a Bryson of that is like, we weren't saying that. We weren't saying that at Wingfoot. I mean, he was very skilled around the greens and on the greens. Like he has weeks where he is like extremely good at putting and his strokes gain putting has been really good. We just haven't seen that at a price in several months now so I get that kind of gut feeling. But you know, he isn't really far and still has weeks where he does things very skill.

I see where you're getting at though like the precision is a totally, it's a totally different animal and a golf course that just demanded precision with irons. I think what was so cool about it too, was that it wasn't just the, it was a bunch of different kinds of precision. And I think there was a couple of people rolling their eyes where you know, he had some quotes earlier in the week

where he was talking about how he loves being creative and he loves seeing different shots. And you know, people were kind of, I saw a bunch of Twitter like, oh, well, he always gets a cut. He gets a cut on every single shot. But there is a lot of different like, you know,, he always gets a cut. He gets a cut on every single shot. But there is a lot of different, like, you know, you have to decide what window to hit it on.

You have to decide where you're gonna try to land it. How far it's gonna run out? What the height is? Like, and he did an awesome job of that on the back nine. Like the shot he hit on was a 17. I think coming into 17 where he landed a 30 yard short, bounces it up to perfectly whole high. It's like, dude, that, that's your guy playing the first,

like his first open championship. It's unbelievable. That was the shot that really stuck out to me too. It was like holy shit. Like that was so proper and little abbreviated finish, all that, just really, really good. And then the craziest part about all this is he got the, the shitty end of the draw.

That's it. Yeah. Like he was in the top wage. I forgot about that. That's why. He's like, just drop him into any era, right? You want to play with small head person and drivers. You want to play with nibble like, I'm taking Moracal with skill.

I just think there's an underlying ability to hit the golf ball and score. Get it in the hole that that I don't know. It just feels he feels separated a bit from the other great players. Well, we don't yeah, we don't have to get into a rollback conversation, but you know, it's kind of similar to how everybody used to say that about Tiger, like Tiger should be the one, you know, really leading the charge for some sort of rollback because he's just going to be even better. Like that should be more cow and now, right?, he should be the guy beating the drum for like,

roll this shit back and I'm gonna win by 10 every week. And it's not just distance, right? It's spin control. You're such a good iron player where he can work the ball. He can control his spin on that stuff. And it's like, you know, all those things are kind of dumbed down when the ball doesn't spin that much for everybody else, right?

I thought what was really cool was, Randy, you nailed it yesterday on the live show. I mean, I was kind of pointing to his start yesterday and like he hasn't really been, he's only played seven majors coming into this week. He hasn't played in a lot of final groups. He hasn't played a lot of links golf. He looked a little nervous coming out of the gate yesterday,

Saturday morning. So who knows what he's gonna look like Sunday. And I mean, I think of links golf, he looked a little nervous coming out of the gate, uh, yesterday Saturday morning. So who knows what he's gonna look like Sunday and I mean, I think you called it, right? And he like that was kind of his, his rough stretch. It seemed like he got his legs under him and today he just, I mean, he was just nails. Man, I know we're, we're talking about it. Uh, the shot he hit on eight, I think he had 195 almost fluent in the whole. That, that was the one where it's like, oh my, dude, like this guy's not going away. Right.

Are you kidding me? I felt the safest I've ever felt on not jinks and jinks and something. in the whole that that was the one where it's like, oh my, dude, this guy's not going away. Right. Are you kidding me? I felt the safest I've ever felt on not jinxing something today. Yeah. He's not going to like make a bogey like, I don't even know how this adds up to how he would make a bogey. I thought Ben Coley golf on Twitter made a good point. He said, more cow is putting an example of how if you're bad at a certain discipline better

that comes from having shockers and being volatile. Some around him in Strokes Game Puttings, that's just put below average almost every week. He's often worse, but is capable of being among the best. That was a really good point of like, yeah, do you like some weeks, he just has weeks where he's not a total liability with putter. It's an asset.

And that was very, very, very much the case this week. And you win, golf terms. Do we think I got to ask? I also said to Ben said to that, that the way that that times up with, like when you're hitting, when you're that good at ball striking, you're not wasting good ball striking weeks as often,

where, you know, like you're not trying to time it up at the same time. Yeah, like your hot putters always gonna coincide with a good ball striking week for someone like him. If you're always ball striking, yeah. I do gotta ask Tron, I know we were discussing this. Do you think he intentionally played away from the hole on 14 to give himself that comfy 15 footer

up the hill rather than knocking it stone dead? Like most pro golfers seem like they would have. I think he was ultimate discipline. You know, I think he was definitely playing super within himself. And no, I mean, even like his lag putting on some of the longer ones, his lag putting was, was solid too. You know, so I think, you know, some weeks you just have it. I just like, there are a few people that were coming at me on Twitter, like, oh,

you know, this means like he's just conquered all his demons and you're wrong. I'm like, no, he's like, he's, he's a streaky putter who's struggled with short puts in the past. And like, I don't think that's changing at all. If anything, he was just, he was on a hot streak this week. And like, I'm rooting for him. And I hope these hot streaks become more, more prevalent and more often and all that. Right?

It's just, it's like you guys this. When did he, sorry, do you know, when did he, When did he switch to the saw grip? According to Azinger or in reality. I guess in reality. I mean, it was way back in February, I think. You know, and he pulled that out at WGC and had a great week that week, but it was not, it was not like, he was not out of the woods after that.

He regressed after that and fell back down. But I think, I don't know, just like personally, I can very much relate to feeling insanely hot on the greens one week and getting to different putting surfaces and feeling like a three footer, it feels impossible. Like I know that game, like I really do. I'm surprised that doesn't happen more often with guys,

honestly, just because it, yeah, different grass types and all those different things. I think even on our podcast with him, we talked about different grass types last year and how he's still getting used to that, still learning that as he goes around on tour for basically the first time and how, you know, like learning how to play all these different greens

and learning new greens every week is still a skill that he's learning. But that's what's kind of crazy too, not to take the era that I that he's learning. Well, that's what's kind of crazy too. Not to take the era of that. I think that's a great point, but now he would have won on, I'm not gonna remember all five of his wins probably, but he would have won on Fescue this week.

He would have won on Bermuda at Concession. Concession. Concession, he would have won on Bentgrass at Memorial. What was out in Reno, TC? I don't remember that. Probably pro-Anon or something. He would have won, yeah, and something different out there. And then what's the fifth win?

The hard member. Oh, right. The TPC Harding Park, right, the other major. Which would have been obviously bumpy, pro-Anon as well. So like probably five pretty different grass types, which I think probably speaks a little bit to, you know, he talked about it a lot this week

in press conferences and stuff. Like he's just, I think when you're that young, like you're so used to showing up and learning everything about the golf course on Monday, right? Like it's not like he has a bunch to draw back on or a bunch of notes or anything. So he probably is just like, we joke about the process a lot,

but like he probably just has a really fucking good process at this point where he knows exactly how him and JJ are going to chart the course. They know exactly whose responsibilities are what and like, let's just keep doing the same thing every week. And I don't know, there's probably something, something to be said for that. Let me ask you guys this. When you hit, when you don't have foul balls, you don't have to chart as well. That's probably true too.

With, so we have major winners this year, Hedecki, Phil, and now, Morkawa is short-punting dead. It's a short-punting even matter. The three guys, honest to God, that's three of the four Sundays. I mean, I think Ram's a pretty awesome putter, but three of the four Sundays now, I've spent like, I don't, like are they gonna make all of them and they've made literally all of them. Those three guys made literally all of them

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if you're gonna go four and a half or five and a half. Oh, I was thinking three and a half or four and a half. So how about a little bit more fanfare for what what is my favorite game? I know he kind of just pulled it out on us. You know, that's like times each year. Yeah. One A one B with how far back is too far back. Exactly. Like there should be some like music or give me Trumpets or something. It's hard to do live. 4.5 is a little, that's a little disrespect for right? He's got two. I mean, Rory has four. This is has four.

Four four point four is a lot above 4.5. I think so. Yeah, like above 4.5 puts him like top 15 all time. And again, as we said last night, we said this last night, and I'll say to you now that he won, like as of right now,

every time somebody wins one of these, every time a young guy does this, you can sit here and it feels like it's gonna be forever. It feels like it's gonna be there forever. He's gotta do this three more times to beat four and a half. It sounds crazy low right now, but I think I would take under on that under four and a half. I'm going over and I'll sign them up for a grand slam career. Grand slam or one year and he seems like he's got a mega US open game, right? I mean, Phil, Phil's the only Phil and Tiger,

the only ones in like in this era that have gotten over four and a half. So, it's going to get there. There's something, will he? There's something to be said, I think, for, so, what's the right way to say this? Think about what we've seen from Louis, right? And everything we said about Louis, and I'm sure we'll get there, and Randy, you'll be happy to hear that he absolutely sucked today.

There was no, that was kicking. It was not a coin flip. No, he was not gonna catch Colin anyways, but that was not, he did not put himself in a good place. But he has, now Louis has what, eight top threes with no wins or something like that. And he, you know, there's something to be said for Colin picking off these first two.

It's almost like a free roll at this point, right? Like he just as easily could have, those could have been his like experience building ones or you know what I mean? And it's almost like he's at zero now with how young he is. If that makes any sense at all. It made such little sense that it actually made sense.

Do you know what anybody know what I'm trying to say? Task failed successfully. Like he could have just as easily not won either of those, and we'd be like, God, this guy's gonna have a monster career. Instead, both of them broke his way. That puts him in a major advantage. I don't know if it's gonna be his way.

Like there's some way. No, right, but for knowing how to win. I agree, I agree. Yeah. But you know what I mean? He's had two chances anyone, both, is what I knowing how to win. I agree, I agree. Yeah. But you know, I mean, like he's had two chances anyone both is what I'm trying to say. And that's very rare, I guess, is what I'm, that's what I'm trying to get at.

And at age 25, when, or age 24, when Rory won his fourth at the British Open, we were, we weren't sitting here and being like, you know, yeah. I mean, basically, it had more cow's age. It does more cow already have all the perspective too. What's the strokes game perspective? It seems like he already has all that too.

Think about that. I don't know. Rory was either 24 or 25 when he won his fourth major. And he's sitting in his 30s now with a kid thing. Well, we just talked about, the difference has to be in the nuance though. I believe, right? Like I just talked like I think Colin plays a different game than Rory does. It now we say that.

Yeah. We weren't saying that in 20 and 2014 though. Yeah. Also, it's like go back, look at his his results in the majors this year. T18 at the Masters, T8 at the PGA, T4 at the US Open, first at the British. Like he's not like, he's playing well at all of them, right? He should have won the US Open too. Shot 75 right away. Yeah, exactly.

So I think, you know, like, I mean, shit, like I'm even to the point where like on, think on Thursday, I think, you know, like, I mean, I mean, shit, like I'm even to the point where like on Think on Thursday, I said, hey, like I'm curious to see the guys that go out in the morning tomorrow and Like go get it and call I was like, I think more of college gonna come out and I think you shot like two or three under and Went out and fucking got it, right? I think like there's a certain There's a certain extent of like the guys got that look in his eye He's the stats back him up is like the best iron player since tiger and he's he's he's adding more skills to his repertoire With the chipping and figuring out the putting and all that and it's like

I mean I would go I think you and eight majors. I think you and seven or eight majors Grantslam you with me TC on a grand slam I think you win eight majors. I think you win seven or eight majors. Grand slam. You with me T.C. on a grand slam? Pete, I don't know. The PGA seems like it'd be the toughest. For him, right? For him, right? For him, right?

I don't know if you're the best iron player in the world. I think that's the whole thing, right? Look at Hedecki. None of them seem like they'd be that tough at this point. That's true too. I don't know, I would kind of say like the PGA and with, you know, distance being dominant and long, thick, rough and all that stuff, and the open with just because of sheer unpredictability, like I would think those would be the two toughest ones to win for him.

I guess my thing is just like he, it feels like he's so, it feels like this was him getting, like getting better, improving, getting to close to the top of the mountain top and we haven't even seen his best yet. That's what that's all about. That we know of.

That we know of. That we know of. That's my whole point. It's like, I'm trying to, I'm with you. I'm trying to be realistic in that, like if he wins, he's 24. If by the time, you know, in the next 10 years, if he wins two majors, like that's really, really good, right?

Exactly. That puts him as at four. And I think four and a half is a really good line. I don't know. I think. I'll go over just because it doesn't matter. And you know, nobody ever double checks, but, I'll say five.

I'll say five. I'll say five. I'm not quite as bullish as TC. I'm a little more cynical. But so, A to do thing, he's going to win. A it would tie Watson for sixth all time. And it would race past Phil. That seems like I just don't think we've got a field of thought on yet either.

Watch yourself. People are going to be hoovering up this stuff like Tyger was for 15 years there, right? Yeah, but the depth is so different now too. No, I mean, I get that, but also like in his game, it doesn't seem like it's like I feel like if you're a good putter or something like that, that's what kind of goes away at first. If you're a good iron player, you're a good iron player, like deep into your 40s.

Did you see on that point, did you see Roberto Castro's tweet, which I thought was really interesting. Yeah. Speaking about the depth, like so many more good players now, but the great players are even more separated from the good players. I think it's extremely well said. He started thinking about it too, and it's like, yeah, man, we do kind of see the same names every major. I think this comes down to either your bullish on Colin being worthy of the company that you know, you read all those Justin Ray stats and like being the best iron player and he's truly like a generational talent or you're not. And I guess one, I think it's more fun to be bullish that way. But two, I kind of, I buy the, I buy the story right now.

I don't know if I'm buying that. The great players are, the gap between the great players and good players is bigger now than it would be like when Nicholas was finishing top 10 in 36 of 40 majors in the 70s. Like, yeah. I'm, I'm, I don't think I'm buying that. I think Ernie, in his era, was was like definitively better than like a good player than I don't know what the computer is. You were better players, right? Back then. I don't know how to do. I feel like it's. I feel like the floor is higher for the good players.

Like they're they're floors higher, but you know, I still think there's there's probably a pretty similar level of distinction. It's just a matter of, I think there's more variability between the good players. If we're saying it's an eight to ten man field at the majors, which is what Bertha Castro said here, Phil won a major this year and Hadecki would not have been in the eight to twelve range either. So I don't think I'm buying that. The only thing I'll pour a little bit of cold water, maybe on the more cow stuff is, yes, he is the best iron player in the world, but when you look at someone

like John Rom, he's not five times better of an iron player than John Rom. Rom hits it a lot further and puts a lot better. What's the overall kind of like, I think Rom might win more majors than the more college. There's also something where like with the ROM, it's like, how many majors is Rob playing at this point? Probably what? 15 ish? I think like that. No, yeah.

Yeah. So, you know, I mean, there's something to be said for he's gotten one, two, three. But I think that does that. So does that, he has nine top 10s, but only one, you know. But I guess that's kind of what I went with. That's what I was very clonqually trying to say earlier,

is like does that speak poorly on ROM? I don't think so, or does it speak like, how kind of freakish what more Kawa has done is? And like how much of a statistical outlier what more Kawa has done is. And that's what I'm saying. Like I'm leaning into the statistical outlier. I'm saying it's not. Much of a statistical outlier what Mark howa has done is. And that's what I'm saying. Like I'm leaning into the statistical outlier. I'm saying it's not, it's not just like beginners luck

or small sample size and it's gonna river to the mean. Like I think he's just that good. So you like, I think Rob could win a bunch too. Like I don't think Colin winning more than four and a half means, Rob. Yeah, I'm totally, I'm just gonna win a bunch. Like he's, he's super impressive right now from he wrong out. Would you rather bet rom over two and a half more majors or more a cow over two

and a half more majors? It's a really good question. Like if I you know my data shit like rom is like by far the best player in the world like not even close and so like for me it's like give me that guy. I mean this this was, I mean, this week he just, it was a boo-y. Yeah. He's a boo-y. You can't sink him. No. He doesn't go away. It seemed like a horrible week in what he did.

Yeah. He finished 30. The game is more set up for a John Rom. Yeah. For that type of, like the modern game is more, you know, like favors him more than more than more a college school set, right? Do you guys think Louis wins one?

Let's go. I was gonna say I'm ready to go to Louis. Or you think that was it? Does that kind of felt like the sand slipping out of the hour glass a little bit to me? And only because, you know, Holds Louis. 38. It was his last great chance to win a major as Zinger said on the on the first tee. Well, then he back paneled that.

I thought that was sick take and And then he kind of back panel. The British goes back to Sanders. This is last great chance. Where the last time, last two times, he's played there. He won and he lost in a playoff. So that's fantastic. Over the last two, seven, two, oh, nobody's beating him there. This is this last great chance.

He's in contention every single major. Randy, you want to take a victory lap here? It gives me no pleasure. I look at that grin on your face. Yes, it did. You look like Louis. Yeah, really, great. Yeah. Exactly who we thought he was. Um, he's not going to win one. This was, this was a different category from almost everything we've seen in Louis close calls. This was, he even had it today. It was pretty much over from that bunker shot on 7, the par five that he, which was truly horrendous. And that was the one where it's like, all right, there you go.

There's, now we have one. That's the moment of, you know, like there's the shot he hit to lose the tournament. Just didn't hit it that good. Yeah. It's just crazy. Going back to last year's US Open. So from Wingedfoot on, he finished third there, tied for 26 at this year's Masters, T2

with PGA, second at the US Open, T3 this week. So he's finished in the top three four of the last five majors. That's what I was going to say. That's obviously fucking incredible. That's mind bending. But, however, and he's been a great major player for a long time. But also, there were a lot of majors crammed in not a lot of space. And it's not easy to keep momentum going by any means,

but it seems like it would make more sense to play well in a big cluster during a small period than it would to sustain that. I mean, the next major is not for what? Seven, eight months, right? And so that's a big, he missed a chance. I missed a lot of chances. Yeah. I think that's a great point.

Yeah. I think that's a, that's a great point to me. It feels like, Hey, Louis played really well for like a calendar year. And I don't really expect it to sustain going forward. You see generational players are the guys who play well for generations, right? And a lot of other players are the guys who totally make sense and is totally understandable,

but they're the guys who play well for a year at a time. And interestingly, it sucks. I do wish he got another one. I obviously, I don't want to say deserves one because more cow obviously deserved it a lot more than he did and Phil deserved it a lot more, you know, at the PGA. And it's just, it's a bummer though.

That was tough. Surprising, this surprised me a little bit. If we're looking at total worldwide strokes gained over the last six months, so including all events, I always view Louis as just the cream rises in the majors. He's seventh in Stroke's game worldwide behind Ram's beef, Cantlay, Casey, Hovelin and Shoffley in the last six months.

Like he's played really, really good golf, not just in majors. And Morca was ninth on that list. So. I think something to track here moving forward is he beginning with the masters next year. He has a chance to complete the career double grand slam and runner-ups. Runner-ups, why he said all of them. Well, they all except for the masters right now.

He's only been runner-up with the masters once. And that's why if I had a regret today, it was that he didn't somehow nab a t-second at least. I know, so you would have're going for the Louis slam in April. Two trips around the world. He would have after getting already completing the career runner-up slam, he would have done it in a year. He would have held it all for runner-ups at the same time. T.C., I hate to break it. He doesn't have, he only has one T2 at the open because he finished third today. Oh, you're right. That's devastating. Yeah. No, yo, okay, yeah, you're right.

Would you need to mention, he almost made an A711, which looks like the hardest hole in the plane. Was that like 245 or something? Could we get more plane cam? That is so great. Awesome. Solly, sorry, before we move away from that, Strux gained, I just think that's such an interesting list

because to me, there's no bigger dichotomy of guys on that list who get it done versus guys that are on that list and for some reason, they don't win. And it's impossible to talk about exactly why that is, but I personally believe there is something that's like those guys who don't get it done, don't get it done for a reason, and it's not just blind luck. It's also not specifically a bunch of yearly and alley, the throw shop, Lee in there. Yeah. It's not like he's hovering a bunch of like, your ator events or South African events up to like, he's not winning

worldwide, right? Like, he's not winning when he shows up at the BMW International or you know, the South African open. Like, he was runner up at the South African open last year, his runner up at the Australian open last year. He's third at the HSBC Champions. Like, he's he's not just finishing runner up in majors, he's finishing runner up in other tournaments as well. But like, Greg, he's played really well, like you T-Aid at Valsbar or T-6 at the concession. And like looking at that tournament at the concession

that they had this year, like there's such a good leaderboard for like it's kind of a correlation between like the best iron players in the world. And you got, you got Moorakawa, you got Horshawl, Kepka, Hoveland, Sheffler, Oosthazen, Rory, Web, Patrick Reed, Co-Crak with a top 10 there.

Rainy, this is gonna be kind of half-baked, but I'm gonna throw this at you a little bit when it comes. Sure. I'm still trying to understand this stuff, and I don't know if this will make sense or not. When it comes to, like, wins versus expected wins, right? The data golf kind of look into how much you should have won technically percentage-wise, you know, by shots gained,

you did this, this and there. It seems like the guys. Did you get that for the fancy pools also? Like, guys that, I knew I was this and there. It seems like the guys. Did you get that for the fancy pools also? Guys that, I knew I was not gonna get all the way through that sense. The guys that we remember as great as the winners are kind of operating with like a 400 batting average

on balls and play. That's kind of like, once it goes your way, you're kind of operating above the mean and that we'll remember you as great because this has gone your way, you're kind of operating above the mean and that we're remembered, you will remember you as great because this has gone your way, right? Whereas in reality, the, like you would have so many close calls, just like, we looked at the percentages of Louis chance, like Louis never got about 50% chance to win. I don't think at any point this week, right? So it, right? So it, like, he keeps ending up on the wrong side of that. Like his batting

average on balls and play is just, he hasn't done enough, could it hit it harder? Could it hit it, you know, not directly at the short stop? And it really hard, it's a good. They got the shift on him, maybe. Like, loud out.

Super loud out. Long strikes. You know, he's playing. But I think, I mean, the flip side of that, there's always like some of it. I mean, he had what, a three shot lead at one point. So if the models are not liking him, there's a reason that they're not liking him as well.

Like if he's not above 50% to win, like that's baked into the model. Right. Yeah, but I think that also just speaks to how many holes are remaining and who's around you as well, right? I mean, it's not as simple as like, you know, if you got speed and more cow-a

like right there on you, then there's a chance that like, I'd have to double check these numbers. He looked like he did get above 50% at one point today through three holes. He was above 50% today, and that was the last time he was above 50%. So I understand what you're saying, and it makes sense.

I, you just, I, the expected wins, though, it just, at a certain point, it just can't capture everything. And I think I choose to believe there's some unquantifiable or extra it that plays a part. And I don't know. I think just boiling it down like that is, to me, it's one, it's rather boring. And two, I almost, it's kind of cynical. And I don't think it can account for all of reality, I guess. I think looking backwards, you're right.

But not necessarily looking forwards. You know what I mean? It's easy to look at what you just saw. I'd be like, yeah, more cow has it and Louis doesn't. That's a fact now in this point, right? That doesn't mean, I don't know. I have to workshop this a little bit more, but what you've seen and confirmed now makes you think that about that person. But over certain sample sizes, like you can't escape

what the reality is. And I guess like with Louis specifically, like, put majors aside, like what I think is more damning for Louis is if he's that great, he's gonna find a way to win on tour. And he just doesn't. And so, I don't know. if he's that great, he's gonna find a way to win on tour. And he just doesn't. And so, I don't know.

And then I get a lot of that from, like I say, going back to that shots gain stuff, like Patrick Cantlay. They're just, there's certain guys that, you know, I think statistically, they have much better profiles than their actual results. It's the killer. It's the killer. It's a and I know we say that, but it is. It is exactly that.

I do believe that. What do you think Fino's wins above replacement is? Fino's a three win player every year, I'd say. Guys, leave Fino. I'm talking about baseball reference or paragraphs. I think it's been when he eventually goes and plays baseball. What do you think it's going to be. I think the best way to define this also though is what Mav McNeilli said on the podcast too is not all shots and professional golf are linear. There's just their shots that are more important.

Not every stroke is, so you think about that when you think about creating in a lab a perfect stroke-scained, efficient player that plays all the percentages, plays all the right spots. Like if you're T3 playing the 18th hole and like you need to flip the odds to get out of that tie for third and into a solo second and flip like tons of points and tons of dollars, like that shot is more important.

Like making a birdie is more important, risking making the birdie is worth the risk instead of losing a shot going backwards, like making a bogey. That there is just like some very defining shots that really ultimately define guys' career. You don't end up with a huge sample of those over the course of a career. So anyways. I know the only other thing I would have on this, I know that Locke is kind of supposed

to be built into those models, right, which is sheer volume, but you can't really account for that either. And Morcoa had a couple of nods to take anything away from anything he did today, but, you know, the ball sits up on, was it on 10, right, where he hits it way left, and, you know, his ball is kind of sitting up in a fluffy spot. His ball kind of wiggles through the two bunkers on 15, leaves him in a good spot. There was another bunker the shot on What was it? He got away with one on 13 right where he almost like you could tell he thought he had left it in that front pop bunker

And like just all those you know It's just the way it goes, but like all those went his way today too And so that's worth pointing out that sometimes that happens. I think that's yeah keeps going back to what I'm I'm trying to say about the whole winning two of your first eight is freakish. Unbelievable. It is such a head start. Yeah. Maybe, I don't know, maybe Louie needs to spend, I felt like he was kind of hitting it with a little glancing blow today. I felt like he really needs to dive in and get into the numbers to find out, get that smash factor up. You know how I get my smash factor up? I spend time with my rap, sodo, mobile launch monitor.

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after number nine, thinking how the fuck did he shoot one under on that side? It was one of those days, right? Where the guy, God, he looked bad to start. And like both golf wise and also, you know, not to take a shot at our friends at Under Armour, but I wish they would address him like an adult man rather than like,

it looks like a 12 year old. I hate this. How's he supposed to go kill people? Looking like a 12 year old. It's not good. It's so unbecoming. The hats are bad, the shirts are fucking terrible. Which is saying something because Nike keeps lowering the bar.

You're after, you're after, you're like, so you're like, you tweeted to the day, like, what do they turn down? What do we, what gets rejected? Turned down, what gets rejected. Like, and I thought the fleet would have, it was perfect, because it was the culmination of like a true England or Alabama thing.

Well, if somebody got, someone at the location, Portland, Oregon, was like, oh, this is beautiful. You just tweeted this image out to your 300k followers. It's like, oh yeah, I got you talking about it. Now 300,000 people know this sucks. Like, is that good advertising? Like I get what you're going for.

Just anyone talking about your stuff is good marketing. I get it, but it sucks. And we're gonna keep pointing it out. Between that and the PXG commercials, big week for a, got you talking about it. Guy. That's like talking about it guy. Got you talking about it. It's great point. Now you have to buy. See you look. I think the most important part is like they make good stuff. They make plenty of stuff that I would very willingly buy off the shelf and like Rory consistently looks good or there's stuff that you're like,

man, like this is like, why not just do more of that instead of this just total novelty bullshit that they crammed on your throats? And it, like I feel like it affects the way that I'm watching the golf tournament, right? Where there's certain guys that I have like a visceral reaction to. You know, and thus concludes our George Speed recap for the week. I was just one more thing on speed.

I was just going to say make sure to check in on your friends that have paid money for PXG clubs. That's a good point. No, it was fun. I don't know. It was fun to see Speed put his foot on the gas even though, you know, he kind of, he lost it. Probably, you know, we mentioned earlier, but what did he hit? One of the first six greens or two of the first seven greens or something like that. It was pretty, you know, between that and the finish yesterday, it was pretty well out

of reach by that point, you could tell, but at least he, you know, there were some last big gasps that he was able to put together. The eagle on 14 was genuinely thrilling. I mean, sorry, not 14 on seven, was a thrill. It was just... That was a big dick putt. It was like... What did he play that stretch?

He played that stretch in like 600, eight holes and 600 or something like that? Awesome view. That was a hell of a second shot too. I mean, that thing was flagged. I want to say thank God he made Birdie on 14. I don't know why what the deal was laying up there. That was weird.

I don't know what I was missing. It didn't seem like there was a lot of wind. It seemed like the pin was back. It didn't, there had to be between clubs and maybe didn't want to worry about the, I don't know, maybe didn't want to worry about the OB or something. It could have been a bad number, but I would think you'd want to put from,

nobody got it past that pin. It felt like it. But it felt like you wanted to put from past that pin because you're actually once you got over that mound It went downhill so you'd be putting back uphill. I don't know. It was that was a little bizarre, but Yeah, just he was it was just too far back and put himself behind the eight ball early and he made a great run It was exciting. It didn't, I had no point that I think he was going to win today, honestly though. And that says a lot because I will talk myself into, well, if you just burnies the next six, but like, it just didn't feel like Morical was going to open the door even, even slightly for like, I think that's

more of a commentary on more color than it is. Yeah. It is. I mean, speech played his last, played his last seven holes and six, sorry, his last 12 holes and 600 par. Yeah. I will say when Morica was standing over the, the put on 14, that was when I felt like there was a chance and he put it right in the center up over the ridge that he couldn't get over. I was going, I mean, that pin was awesome. Like I was getting ready to say like, you know, Louis got it up over that hill, speed got it up over that hill and made birdies, and like Moracal barely didn't get it over, and it looked like he was gonna cost him a shot,

and he just poured the putt right in the middle. Well, that's just, it's, I think it's worth reiterating, just because I was kind of taking notes on just, you know, each notable thing guys are doing, and Moracal was back nine too, was just a masterclass in like slamming the door, right? Like the tent, you know, pulls it left on tent, has in a horrible spot. Somehow gets that one up and down 11 brutal par three plan like two 45 just hits it like could not have hit it more in the dead center of the green. Right?

12 has a very comfy two pot for par 13 kind of gets away with one like we said. And then 14 hits a bad chip makes up up for it with the par. 15 was where he hit it in the thick stuff, I think short-sided, gets that one up and down again. 16 looked a little, maybe a little nervy, a little short, but makes a comfy par. And then 17, we already talked about Trump, but that was really cool.

The bouncing it up shot is just, that one will stick with me for a while. I'm very pleased and encouraged by Speed's overall performance this week. It was kind of like roll the balls out on a golf course that isn't going to be, you know, Beth Page-like with thick ass rough and very long. I know Speed finished third at Beth Page, but it just feels like his chances on a golf course, like the, just like automatic should be top five on something like this. And that's exactly where he ended up.

And he's the only issue is there's only a couple of these events that a couple of these golf courses over the next several years that set up like this. I think I haven't been to LA Country Club, but I feel like that would be good for Jordan. I think LACC, I think Pinehurst, I think both of those will be good fits for you. Yeah, I think Brooklyn will be good for Jordan. I think LACC, I think Pinehurst, I think both of those will be good fits for you. I think Brookline will be good for both him and Colin. I mean, it's small greens. They've, they've, they've, they've enlarged a lot of them, but still small greens and,

and small targets. I think Pebbles always going to be good, right? As, as we're going back there, probably going to be great. And that's what I was going to say is, it seems like half of them at least, I agree from a PJ tour perspective, right? I don't know how many PJ tour events he'll win going forward. I'm sure he'll win a great deal, but probably not commensurate with how much better I think he is than his peers, but it is good, I think, for us,

speed fans that half the majors, I would put him, as bullish as you are about him, going to Augusta, you kind of have to be almost as bullish about him going into the open now, right? After what we've seen in the last few years. Oh, for sure. I mean, at least half the bull. I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just,

I mean, I want to take this up another notch. I couldn't be more bullish. Yeah. Genuine, genuine. It was so much fun watching him. I texted you guys just watching him a moat on the golf course, watching him really play trying to go get it. That's as fun as it gets for me. And hearing him, I think he's like more confident in his game than he

probably has been in the last several years. I think he's back, baby. I think the next couple of years, watch out. It's gonna be a lot of fun. And I think trying to go back to like, why I love that comment of yours. That gets me so excited, because I feel like if space coming back into form and Morakawa has shown himself to be like the class

of the class in a lot of respects, the next several years could be a lot of fun. It's worth noting now that drivers now an asset, right? He's gained over the last three months, he's gaining point four shots off the tee per round, which is a huge flip from the last several years. I mean, he still loses a ton of shots to somebody like Ron who gains a shot, Bryson gains a shot per round, Keppka's almost gaining a shot per round off the tee. Morakow is at plus point seven six off the tee.

So I mean, you add that up. Again, just in the past three months, if you add up Morakow is gap off the tee for spieth off the tee. Hopefully you make some putts. It's almost two shots. It's almost the difference of this golf tournament. So it is still just really hard to start golf, like give up golf shots in any, any part of your game and try and win these things. You can finish

a lot of top fives, but it's going to be, it's a lot of things are going to have to go right for speed to win. I think we're destined for a lot of top 10s over the next 10 years. And I don't know how many wins we're going to see. Just be, be prepared for that. I did let to make a lot of puts. Yes, right? That's the thing. But I think this was the first time I'd seen him in a long time where you felt like the, everything looked like it was had a chance to go in from 40 feet in from him, where he literally expected

to make everything he looked at. Yeah. Which, he's got that bounce back in his step, growlers having fun out there. Going back to St. Andrew's next year, and then also just looking at it in the future, I think they're at Hoi Lake in 23, Trune in 24, which I don't think those are probably

the best setups for him. Then I think they're probably going to a mere field in 25. So that's, you know, I think mere fields of one that probably, as he gets older, that'll set up perfectly for him. I do love him in the open. I think all I mean, it would, I don't see it. I don't see any open venues that would make me think that they wouldn't be a fantastic option. I just, I, I, I don't know.

Maybe I'm just in an extreme home or, I just trust him more than just about anybody else to just figure it out and just get all of his ability out of himself. And I say that just listening to him talk, the interviews we've done, I don't know. I just, I sense like a really burning desire to be great.

And I don't know if that's like super corny from me, but I just trust that. I don't know. Like he's gonna win, like, fuck man, he's gonna win. He's greater than the sum of his parts. Yeah, you know, for taking teams off his next factor, that guy, give me that guy.

Does that transition into the Rory conversation? Well, can I ask one question as we close the gap, close the, we got this from the underscore cage on Twitter. First one to career Grand Slam. Colin, Rory, Jordan, or Brooks. I don't know why I didn't include Phil. You can take that personally. Thank you, big ring. Thank you, Sally. Thank you. If we're calling that, who's the who's the first of the career

Grand Slam? Sorry, Rory. Colin, Rory, Jordan or Brooks. Both Colin and Brooks are two short. All right. So Colin has PGA and British Brooks has PGA in US Open. Rory's just looking for masters. Fills just looking for. We're including Phil. Yeah, Phil's just looking for US Open. And who is the third one? Or the L.A. Speed needs a PGA or Louie who needs three. What are the PGA venues come up or big tone?

Big tone needs a big win. PGA's Southern Hills next year, and then it goes to Oak Hill, and then Valhalla, and then Quail Hollow, and then Aronomic, and then Frisco, and Olympic Club, and then Nike, though, just for all. They got them all figured out up until 2029. Yeah, Southern Hills seems like it'd be a good fit

for some people, maybe. I'll say, I'm a fucking idiot, so I'll say Rory. But like, just be, I mean, Rory, I would take speed. Rory seems like the, I mean, his game still, for the last 10 years, like nothing's changed. It still does fit Augusta seemingly perfectly. And he's got, you know, one less to win.

Winning majors is hard, so. I'll take speed. I'll take speed one less to win. Winning major is hard. So I'll take speed. I'll take speed for the same reasons. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I just told a lot of those PGA venues. That's where I'm at. I'm gonna say more, Carla.

Do we not like seven hills for speed? I feel like we can address it. I can be, but that's one. That's one. Yeah. Oak Hill, Dr. One there. It's less about, I think for me, it's less about like figuring out what the best courses or like courses that may suit him or the ones that we know or yeah, or you know, kind of potential home games for them. Do we have to talk about Rory?

Well, for the power of interest and conversation to have. Yeah. Uh, if you, if you've tuned into our live shows last several, several nights, this might be a little bit of a repeat topic, but it's worth putting a cap on this week, I think, for Rory, right? I mean, we had this stretch of like six majors in a type timeframe, and it felt very much like, yeah, it's, you're going to need one of these. I know we entered the pandemic playing some of the best golf of his life. And it really does seem like that pandemic was coming out of that break,

that three month break for golf. Some people got a lot better at golf and Roy was not one of them. Yeah, I mean, I think by the time we get to a gust the next year, we're gonna be coming up on eight years, right? Just shy of eight years since his last major and that is coming through what theoretically, you know, should be quote unquote the massive prime of his career,

right? Like the eight most productive years of his career, you would guess or you would project. And it's just really, it's getting pretty hard to square what's going on with kind of how he should be looked at, I think. Right? Is that a fair way to say it? I think we kind of touched on it last night, but it just doesn't seem like, like he just kind of seems like another guy at this point.

And that sucks. That really sucks because I think all of us are massive Rory fans. I think we would love, I think he's probably 1A1B with speed, at least for most of us are massive Rory fans. I think we would love, I think he's probably 1A, 1B with spieth, at least for most of us as far as who we'd love to see win golf tournaments and who we'd love to root for. And, man, the last, it's gotten to the point where those majors, those four majors that he won feels like it was another guy in another career. Like he just doesn't seem like that same guy anymore. And I think where it gets interesting is what the question

of whether he wants to be that same guy, whether he has interests in being that same guy, whether he owes it to anybody to try and be that same guy. And I don't know what you guys think about that. It just doesn't seem like he walks around anymore with I'm Rory Effor and Mackle Roy. And like, I go back to what JP said to him in 2017 open at Berkdale. And I'm like, he was like, I think probably the favorite going to that one.

I don't remember exactly how that shook out, but it was shocking that he was not doing well in the beginning there. And JP says to him, like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, you're Rory fucking Mackle Roy. Like, what are you doing? And he went on a tear and I think you know, finished like T4. And he, like, he just has to have this like, I don't know. I feel like if we went out and played golf

with the Rort Play Nine Holes of the Rory, he would just go into show off mode and would like, you know, if we, I don't know. I feel like he would go just ball out, right? If you forgot everything and just tried to go be yourself, you would ball out. But now he seems like he's trying to follow a procedure. I wouldn't even call it like a process.

It feels like a formality that he tries to like get himself into to perform in majors and whatever he's got going now that just does not work anymore. And at one point, it was playing very good golf and regal tournaments and not showing up in majors and he hasn't really been playing good golf. I know he won at Kweil Hollow this year, but he even said after that, like, yeah, I don't really know what the buzz was all about going into Keea for me because I haven't been playing that great. And Kweil Hallo got, you know, I just, of course, I know it really well. And I don't know. I, I, I'm kind of out of words at this point because this was the least encouraged or engaged

I've, I felt with Rory. Never felt like he had a chance going into this week. Socks. I think to address your, your some of your questions are directly DJ. First, I don't think he owes anybody anything. I think and I think and I think it's rightful of people like, like, Sully, I know you said you were frustrated with them because of that. I think that's a totally fine fair opinion to have as well. I don't know. I think there's still a lot of time for them. I think, I forget DJ Ali, if you said it last night,

he's his child is very young. Maybe this is a time where he's kind of losing a little that drive and certainly he can gain that fire back maybe. But gosh, I don't know. He does seem like just another guy a lot of times, and I don't know if that changes at all very, very soon. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it just seems like just like Roy's, or space that's greater than the sum of

his parts, it seems like Roy's less than the sum of his parts. Yeah, I don't feel like he's turning over the stones to get better or to figure out what, you know, like Randy Ursani of Ultimate Trust in Speed to figure out what else to play his best golf to extract the most out of his talent. And with Rory, it's like, you know, going back to, you know, even like, like, and I think, Cady Harry does a great job, but like, does he know that that that Harry is absolutely the best Cady for him? Like, why not, why not give a legendary, like, you know, one of the, like, I'm sure anybody would drop a bag to go, go, go, Cady for Rory, right? And it's like, at some point, why not hire one of

the best Cady's in the world or one of the most professional caddies in the world? But I think that this is a massive projection and unnecessary psychoanalysis by me, I'm sure. But I think that speaks to him the same reasons he talks about, you know, his family so much. When people bring up like, hey, are you disappointed in your, in your major record and his response, totally like, understandably, is to fall back on, like, no, I'm not disappointed, like, I have a great life. Everything is going great, I have a young, beautiful daughter,

I have a great wife, my parents are great, I have a great house, like, perspective, true perspective overload, but it's clear, like, that's what he's looking for from life, right? And I don't think what I struggle with is squaring what I want from him as a golf fan with what he probably wants for himself, right?

And I think that is just kind of what makes sports really interesting is when you come across people like that and the people who remind you that this is all not one dimensional and it's not black and white and there's a lot of humanity going around. And I likened it, this is a weird transition probably but I likened it to Bryson too, where it's a lot easier

and it probably makes for better podcasts and it probably makes for our jobs being a lot easier when you're just like black and white, that guy's a fucking dick. Like he needs to do this to that and whatever. When you really start unpacking it, like I thought about Bryson a lot this weekend for whatever reason.

And when you really start unpacking it and you're kind of thinking like, man, here's a guy that probably like, again, projecting on my part. But it probably got made fun of a lot. Probably has been like chasing this approval for his whole life and then he gets to the mountaintop and everybody's like still making fun of them.

That has to be a really weird thing to happen and that just has to, I would imagine that has to affect just what's going on your head. Now, does that excuse him seemingly treating everybody that he runs into like shit? No, of course not. But I guess the only point of all that is

like these guys are, it's complicated man. It's a lot more complicated and it sucks that we're kind of getting more and more into an era where those shades of gray are gonna be harder for media and other people to pull out of these guys. I think that's why everything turns so black and white because no offense to Carson daily, but like I don't know that he's asking

worry about like, hey man, let's really get into some existential shit on the whatever their podcast is called. Uh, on, you know, shout out to golf pass. But it's, you know, you know what I'm trying to say in Bryson's the same thing with golf.com and he's just going to and a lot of this is probably the fault of people like us, and people like myself who really greatly enjoy making fun of Bryson when he has these colossal missteps. But like, these guys are just gonna keep putting up bigger and bigger walls, right? And it just, it really dumbs down a lot of the black and white stuff, which sucks.

So I just think with Rory, like, the last thing I have for Rory was just like, at some point, like some guys are sociopaths, right? I just think with Rory, the last thing I have for Rory was just like, at some point, some guys are sociopaths, right? Rory's very clearly not a sociopath, he's not unhinged, he's not, for all of his greatness, Tiger's probably, Tigers are pretty messed up, dude, psychologically, right? That success or that mentality takes a toll on personal relationships and you know, your personal life and and all that and I think I think with Rory it's like

he's just a really really well adjusted dude and almost to his detriment and to a certain extent as far as golf successes because he actually does have an in perspective and you know I do there will be three, four, five years. Maybe it's in two years, but he'll get back to it and that fire will come back. But at some point, it just seems like he's kind of tricking himself into the fires not there. That's what someone mentioned on Twitter yesterday

after our podcast, when we're kind of talking about Rory and Kind of rephrasing their question, but like do you think Rory's running towards everything he's seen from Tiger? Or do you think he's running away from everything he's seen from Tiger? Essentially, you know what I mean? And that's yeah like none of us know what it feels like to be Rory And he's been Rory now for the last what 15 years of just being like the third most famous person in golf probably and I can't imagine what kind of toll that takes and how like yeah, that's gonna that's gonna rewire how you feel about practice and how you feel about Chasing trophies and all kinds of stuff. So I'm yeah I'm amazed that burnout doesn't happen more often

100% and part of everything I'm on blockstep with everything you guys have said for the most part here. And especially in terms of like Rory like having incredible. For lack of a better word perspective like Rory's the best like off the course awesome hang tells amazing stories. He almost never gives you like hey you can't tell the story to anyone but here's this. Out of respect I don't tell some of the crazy, fun stories he tells. He's awesome to be around, great to get coffee with. He's also super introspective.

Super introspective. He thinks about this stuff. And promise. And so when he tells, when he says, yeah, I'm not trying too hard at this. I've got a great life at home and all that. I just don't believe it. And that's where I'm coming from.

And when he's talking about how, yeah, it's gravy if I don't win that Augusta, I don't believe it. And that's where I'm coming from. And when he's talking about how, you know, yeah, it's gravy if I don't win that Augusta, I don't believe that. Internally, I know he has that in him. I know he cares about that, right? And it might be a mechanism to cope with the pressure and the expectations that come with it to help try to downplay some of it. Even internally, I'm down with trying kind of anything

for it. That's where I'm out with that. It's like, it's never like, dude, you have to work your ass off and sacrifice your life at home to entertain us golf fans. Like, no, of course not. But when he says, you know, that, you know, when he, a question is asked to him about, you know,

not, are you trying too hard and you fall back on, like, no, I got a great life at home. It's kind of like, well, okay, now the question's like, are you trying hard enough? If that's your go-to answer with that, then that's, I think that's a fair question, right? And I don't ever get messages, I don't ever hear him say or anything like,

yeah, I've been putting in some wildly long days. My wedge, I've worked so, I've tried this like with my wedge play now and I'm doing this, this, and this, like Dustin Johnson who is famously kind of a loof, like put in work on his wedges. I feel like we've heard that on Telecast. And got a lot better and got to number one in the world.

You know what I mean? Totally. I guess what, and this was the same thing I said yesterday, is like maybe that's just not what he's after. It might be. Really and truly, maybe he's like, dude, I've been doing it for 15 years. And that's approved to everybody that I'm the biggest dick around.

I won everything except the masters. And like I have all the money. Like what, I've got nothing left to prove. And that very well, I've never, you know, obviously heard him say that or have no reason to necessarily believe that's what he's thinking, but who knows, man, it could be. And that for the third and ninth of the row,

I'll go back to the speed quote of like that's such a crutch. He was talking about money when he was on the podcast and said, you know, that falling back on that stuff was a crutch and inhibitor to playing great golf. And I think that's a fair question to ask at this point with Rory. And I think the caddy point is also, you know, I remember right when, you know, he fired JP, I was talking with him in the locker room at Bridgestone in 2017. He's like, yeah, we're going to try it out. You know, he fired JP. I was I was talking with him in the locker room at at bridge stone in 2017

It's like yeah, we're gonna try it out But like honestly what I'm kind of looking for here is one to just kind of change my vibe up on the course And like owning a little more responsibility on my own like I'm walking off my own numbers I'm taking my own notes here like as Harry learns of ropes and I'm looking forward to that like I need to be more engaged in my shots I'm like, oh that makes a lot of sense like a lot people are going to say some things like having your buddy on the bag, you know, there's not the best advantage, all that stuff. And he had a lot of success with Harry, like he has. And that's, it's hard to ignore that. He's one tournaments with him. He's had good major runs with him. I think at this point though, it's, it is worth asking the question. If like, if that,

if the vibe of having a great friend next to you isn't helping you play great golf at this point, are there other options that would help you be more focused or more, you know, more precise on the golf course? I think that's a fair question without critic. It's not, Harry is a very serviceable caddy by all means, by all, you know, in that regard, but I think he is Rory's guy, right? I don't think Harry would be on a lot of any other bags in the world, even with four years of experience. And so I think it's a fair question to ask at this point.

And I do, at the same time, saying, like, I don't think that's like what's holding, I don't think that's the only thing holding right back at this point. I think just that I know we should probably move on here, but I would just punch back a little at speech characterization using again my favorite guy, Mikkelsen, who very famously talked about having that perspective and being able to win majors obviously after the scare with his wife. So I do think you can, I do think Rory could use it almost like giving up caring as a way to liberate himself into play some of his best golf. Now that might not work for everybody in every situation, but I do think there are some

interesting parallels between Rory and Mikkelsen in that way. You know, Mikkelsen didn't win a major until he was 34, which is nuts and Rory's 32. But I almost think they're interesting, Compson. You know, I think Rory could maybe look at the evolution Phil had from pressing and taking so many questions in the press, when are you going to win a major? When when you know, when is this going to happen? I feel like that could be the

path Rory's on. Will it be? I don't know, but I think certainly some of that perspective and finding more in life, at least that's what Phil's told us publicly. I could work for Roy. Phil's also a sociopath. For sure. For me, and I can't. Remember when he did from the US Open to Goode? His kids, eighth grade graduation. Went to high school graduation.

Went to practice rounds at, and then flew back, and then withdrew. Right. Right. As if, like, oh, maybe they'll move the graduation. Did he go to the fraction? I know bones went in scottical course. Bones might have went and done the practice. Okay, I don't remember. Okay.

Who knows? Question for Big Randy. This is from at Hodeo Scars on Twitter. Does Big Randy put JT on notice? I mean, we touched on it a little yesterday. We're still, we're waiting for tests to come back, are we? Yeah, you know, the last, these are, these are very important tests that we're running. We don't want to rush anything, but we have major concerns.

And so I think we'll, we'll certainly know by next April and we'll address it appropriate time. I know he was putting into some clinical stuff this week playing with a good buddy Max Home. I don't know what he shot today. Or if there was any signs of life from that. T40 he finished. What are you shooting today though, specifically? Tough.

He shot one under part today. Okay. So we can't really chalk that up to positive or negative probably, but worth mentioning. I had a couple of questions just as we put a bow on this season of championships. Or I guess we're not, not quite yet.

We've got the Olympics and of course, the all important FedEx cup. Shout out to the FedEx cup, by the way, for having the audacity to in their narration on their commercials, talking about how history can't be rewritten. That's rich coming from the fucking FedExCup, but neither here nor there. Quick question, who do you think is winning the race to Dubai? Who could pop? Moracala.

Moracala. Me. Oh, Moracala. What were your overall review of the majors this year? What, what sticks out most? What's, uh, what's going to be your lasting memory of 2021 golf? It was a mix of two of the top 10 player, two of the top five players in the world getting major titles, uh, and a total out of left field still don't understand how Phil won the PGA.

And I still there are days where I wake up and think like he did it. Yeah, but there's just some like mental synapses. It's so it's so good. He's so good at at golf. Yes. No, I know I know I know you think I'm joking, but like he's, he, he is a all-time rate golfer. Yeah, of course. He put it together over four days. Like that's how he won. He's so freaking good. I think for me, it comes down to, there's a lot of

Bryson. Hold on, Freddie's having a fucking meltdown upstairs. There's family vacation guys, got to love it. Now I think a lot of Bryce and Hyde, right? Like going back to the masters, that they lead up to the masters was all Bryce and all the time, how's he gonna play this course? He's gonna take over the three-eighth. Parts of the past, 13, yeah, all that. And then,

No, part 67, sorry. I'm not, I'm just now receiving word. Yeah, and then, you know, less so at the PGA, but a lot, you know, and then defending champ at the US Open, and then all the stuff this week. And kind of like going back to what you were saying, Disha, I think this is probably the best place

to cover it is like all the Bryce and stuff and the people who are like, oh, you know, all these people are out of line, D.H.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.T.I.T.T.I.T.I.T.I.T.I.T. treated the media like shit, treated as caddy like shit, treated, you know, like, both questions. All, you know, all, like all of the club reps like shit, well, like kind of how I'll characterize the 2021 majors, right? And, and I think with Bryson, it's like, you know, man, like at some point, like the onus is on you, like it's not on, it's not our fault that like you're treating everybody like shit and you're, and you're acting like a petulant child. Like, and it's not us being mean to you on social media, it's us reacting to the shit that you're putting out there in the universe, you know?

And it's not because you're doing stuff differently or because you play single-length irons or anything like that. I think people would be more apt to like you and care and root for you because you are doing it differently. It's just a matter of the way that you treat everybody else. Like you throw it in everybody's face and act like you're better than everybody else and the arrogance and the selfishness

and the narcissism that he displays. It makes me fucking sick, to be honest. And to see people on Twitter saying, like, oh, you know, like these people are bullying him and don't, no, like, this guy's making $25, $35, $40 million a year, and then the audacity to complain about, well, you know what, like, I didn't want to be famous or anything like that. Like, when he's making fucking highlight tapes of him cooking eggs in his house or

recorrentine or all sorts of stuff, I don't know, it's just, I've been so fired up about that all weekend because it's just like, it's such a, no, like, we're the bad guys. We're the ones that fought for calling this guy and this bullshit. I think that... Preach it to you first of all, that was a... Hey, man.

Extremely impassioned speech. It's hard to argue with any of that. I think, like I was saying about Rory, I mean, I don't think it's black and white and I think that there probably is underlying stuff, and I'm giving him way too much benefit of the doubt on this probably, but where I'm going with that is how far

just like a little tiny bit of humility would go or contrition, or just ever once, through any of this, ever acting like anything was either his fault or like he had made a mistake Even when he issued like and not to get into some antics. It doesn't fucking matter But like even when he issued like his quote unquote apology to cobra like he never apologized Never said I'm sorry never said like I was raw. I'm I'm so sorry It was just you know I used the wrong words or I hope nobody was offended or whatever he said.

And it's just, man, it just seems like either he's gonna bottom out and he's gonna realize, whoa, I need to, like, kinda, I need to just admit that I've made some missteps here. I just got, I think people would, he's such an outlier, I think people would want to root for him.

It makes it impossible to do so. It's the American way. We'd love to tell you down, but then we'll just show us some remorse, and then we'll be behind you. We want to build you back up, too. Or at some point, you don't have to do all the shit that he's going to make us tear you down, either. You don't have to play this role, either. Like, you don't have to, you don't have to play this role either. You can, you can be a legitimate, like, just decent human, right?

I, I, I'm with you there, Tron. I, just the one part of your, of what you said, like, I, I, I think as a society, we're getting a little quick to play the bullying card where it's like, no, people can just be like kind of twat still, you know, like like people can be just dumb and like just shitheads and it's okay and we can we can call it that That feels like an homage to your British friends. Yeah, I Think with Bryson. It is no matter what happens. he can't help but show his true colors, right?

He can do a little PR effort to figure something out. If he gets a little bit of time behind him, I'm sure his friends over at golf.com will help us with any of his PR related statements. And, but it's like as soon as the mic comes on after a bad round of golf, driver sucks. Like, his team has to just, I, he has to drive his team absolutely nuts.

Like, he just keeps putting them in awful situations and it's gonna probably end with like, but also if that never gets fixed, like, you can't really feel too bad for his quote unquote team. I don't think they can fix him as my point. Maybe he's just like, unfixable. Like, no matter what, he's gonna do something dumb because he just does not have,

and has not learned any, like, we're not talking about a kid anymore, like he's an adult, and it just like keeps coming back to like, yes. The most true. Yes. Oh, like, can we hear what a kid sounds like? He's like, keep your bike up, it just for a minute.

Can we get a take? He's got a corner on the floor over here, right, he's having a temper tantrum, all sorts of craziness going on. I mean, is that even Bryson or probably similar, similar maturity level? See, I got enough of this shit going on at home. I can't be dealing with this when I open up to litter. But like, that's, that's part of the point too, Sally.

Like, like Bryson is, Bryson's like, he's not like a college kid anymore, right? Right. But he, you know, like he wants to have it both ways. So exactly, goose. Yeah. I don't know if you can't say that. I don't know if you can't say that. I don't know if you can't say that. I don't know if you can't say that. I don't know if you can't say that. I don't know if you can't say that. I don't know if you can't say that.

I don't know if you can't say that. I don't know if you can't say that. I don't know if you can't say that. I don't know if you can't say that. I don't know if you can't say that. I don't know if you can't say that. I don't know if you can think about that. Yeah, that's right, it saves it for competition only. So, oh, gross, gross, St. George's. I was gonna say, yeah, we can talk to St. George,

I was just gonna say we went into, like starting with the PGA last year, we said there is gonna be a run of six majors and somebody's gonna write, is gonna change their whole career in this stretch and we have our guy that did it. Check, check, mark, call him more, Cal, did it. And Louie had a lot of chances to do that and did not. Check. Check, Mark. Call him more, Kyle. Did it.

And Louie had a lot of chances to do that and did not. But St. George's, I kind of, I, nothing happened today that changed the way I think. I think it is total, more than fine, totally fine. Still probably my least favorite on the road. You know, it, it was really, set up really well these last couple days. I just needed, and it wasn't just the firmness. Like I needed way more balls rolling into bunkers. I needed way more suspense.

I just need more bunkers. Yeah, the bunkering is just... I don't know, the bunkers. Yeah, the bunkers. Need some cross bunkers, need some, like, I don't know. There wasn't a lot to that. A lot of people were throwing, I was like, oh, would you rather watch this or blah, blah, blah.

Whatever you're gonna finish it with, yes. Like this is probably still the highlight course watching of the year. I would rather, you know, a good, a great US open course probably isn't as fun to watch as a the bottom of the rung on the road in the open championship. So I don't know how anyone could be offended by any of those remarks. I would love to play, saying Georgia is still, I think as it translated for championship golf, It was just fine But I would don't think it's fall out of the road up by any stretch of the imagination

I thought there were some really interesting Garrett Morrison tweeted Some quotes from yeah, Mackenzie good doctor. Alistair McKenzie who he was kind of shitting all over all over it That was a total misuse of land I don't know how they could have taken such great land and made such a bad golf course. The routing makes no sense. You look at the aerial images. Like, what are we doing here? I think McKenzie gave it a doke scale zero.

Just like Embers or whatever. I mean, Randy, watch out. I'm up here in the land of the doke cheese. That's right. Thanks for watching my back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that it was delightful. I think if it's totally baked out, it's a lot more fun,

but good venue. We got who I assume is Alex Higgs, pro-Jock, good player in his own right, caddy for his brother, Harry Higgs. Even with all the rough talks, still a few bogies, that's my only complaint. No, like hard to disagree. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Harry Higgs, even with all the rough talks, so few bogies, that's my only complaint. No, like hard to disagree. No car wrecks, like there's a very few.

It wasn't, it never felt looming, and that's kind of like not that I was rooting in any way for Morokow to fall back, but it just never felt, it didn't feel like the bite was there to bring him back. It was gonna take a major mistake for him to even make a bogie, which I don't. The only fender bender we had was Louis.

And it was like, that could happen on any golf course in the world, you know, the bunker shot. But I mean, gosh, having the open back is was a total delight that I love the viewing times. I love having my evenings back. I will, I get, I had great joy watching this golf tournament. I wouldn't say I had great joy watching the US open. Probably, I felt some joy watching this golf tournament. I wouldn't say I had great joy watching the US Open. Probably I felt some joy watching Phil win the the PGA,

but this was just was great joy. I just I really, really enjoyed it. Here here next year next year is gonna be tough. Oh God. Next year is like one of the highlights of the decade. Well, you know, you kick out watching them shoot 28 under. Yeah, probably. Yeah.

They're all playing the same golf course and it's a brilliant golf course and there's all sorts of humps and bumps. And like, I think the biggest takeaway for me was the fact that I don't think I'd ever seen the RNA kind of try to dial things up and manipulate the setup like they did this year, right? We could use more than I'd have my own rogue though, you never know. Slumbers. We could use more gravity, TC.

I want to give a big shout out to another friend of the pod, Adam Long, who was feeding us every day the amount of gravities that that degrees were playing at each year, which is five gravities, Sean. Do you understand what that means? He texts us this morning, 128 gravity's gentleman. That's strapping. I think you need a duke degree, just to know what that means.

Well, that's what I asked him if he knew, 9.8 meters per second for a second, right? In all honesty, Randy, their par is truly gonna be irrelevant at St. Andrew's next year. I'm looking very much looking forward to a ton of par three and a halfs out there. Like there's four or five holes that Bryson might be able to drive out there. I think that I know people are conditioned to think that

that means easy. Like you could you could change the ninth hole and put par three on it if you really want to protect scoring that much. But like I like 11. That was kind of sick today. Yes. There are half par holes out there and it's going to be all, almost all of them on the easy side, aside from 17, really, and it depends on what the wind does, but it will be interesting golf shots that still need to be played to pass that test to make the birdies.

It's not give me birdies by any stretch. And it's playing the ball on the ground. Yes. In a lot of spots, too, where those guys are super uncomfortable with that. And it's the most interesting golf to me to watch. I'm curious to see if any more guys go over, I didn't really check this last time in 2015, but if any more guys go over and play the Dunhill this year to get another look at, especially

some of the young guys. Go over, play the Dunhill in September, October, and then, you know, it's after the FedEx cup shout out to DJ the FedEx cup, wraps, and, you know, history has already wrapped for the, for the years. Shout out to Peter Jacobson and the true FedEx cup wrap. Yeah. So, uh, well, I'll respectfully disagree with all that. It's going to be just a birdie fest. It's gonna be a little bit of a snoozer, I fear. And don't watch it. I don't even want to hear from you anymore.

This is what the greatest golf course in the world. No, I'm in on it. It's a great bit. Keep it going. Nobody's got to have the courage to say it. And I feel like I'm that person. There you go. Alex Higgs, weighing in again, Harry and I

going to go play the Euro tour to get ready. of course once they get into the field and one thing I do want to squash is people on Twitter saying like Euro tour does not play Link's golf. Like almost never they've done hell the Scottish isn't even links even like someone like Marcel Seam right it just seems like he's been kind of like toiling in like European obscurity for eight years of cat I just I haven't played links golf like forever. I'm tired of people being like saying all you know all these pg Tour courses that are bombing gouge like the Euro torsor's tour courses are so random much worse much worse Not good test very very shitty your tour course especially over the last like 12 months Yes, I've been had to play like the double header and Cypher. Harry Colt was not bugging his headed Cypher.

It is not proper golf. Stop saying that like this week. That's a greening. This week is proper golf. Like links golf is my favorite golf in the world. And you guys have so many of proper golf courses over there. But like the European tour does not play on them for a myriad of reasons for the most part. And even the fucking PGA, like the BMW PGA

that they play in London, and they played it fucking Wentworth. Like one of the more stinks. Like you're in one of the greatest collections of golf in any region in the world, and you're playing fucking Wentworth. Great concentrate though, it went worth. As Alkington told us.

It's about the whole ladies locker room. All right. I think this is a- Can we go down the leaderboard? That's absolutely not. We didn't talk wrong. We didn't talk wrong. I mean, we're just gonna give some shout outs

to guys that punched above their weight or guys that disappointed, just kinda, you know, just kinda go- We can give a few shout outs. The more, you know, if you're giving shout outs outs to everybody you're not giving shout outs to anybody. All right I mean you know wrong yeah wrong wrong came coming like a freight train you know running out of the bullpen yeah that's sweet for tally hung around he did tally was he never he's never done this before he that's true he never been there before. According to

Zinger, 25 times. For television, his T5, the masters last year. It was like nine months ago. Sorry. Continue. I mean, Brooks, does this top back to our top 10 affect his standing? Brooks, yeah, we hadn't really talked about him, but kind of a disappointing major scene that feels like, right? Yeah, so I can't tell how injured do we think he is? How much is he hurt or injured? Hard to tell. Hard to tell.

Because I guess I always resort to like, it can't be that bad if you're playing, but maybe it is. And if it is it's really really impressive what he's been able to do this summer but I guess if he take it from the other side he's had some discipline like he's put himself in positions and then gone away. How many quick answers this quickly as you can?

How many guys total beat Brooks and majors this year? 21, 27. Nine. Really? So that's wrong. Sorry. The last three majors. He missed the cut of the Masters.

I don't count that. The last three majors. He was T2 at PGA, T4, US Open, T6 at the Open. So throughout the Masters, nine guys beat him in the last way. It's hard to call that super disappointing. And the master's he was really hurt. PGA. PGA was like the top of the tennis arts this year. The hurt like being injured that affects your prep, you know, it's it's going to reflect now versus two months ago, right? I'd be remiss if I didn't give a shout out to Mackenzie Hughes. Of course.

I'd be remiss if I didn't give a shout out to Mackenzie Hughes. Of course. You guys need to apologize to him for, you know, lowest finish ever, I think by Canadian in the open championship. Is that right? That's why I'm standing on Twitter. That's cool. Yeah, for him.

So DJ, very quiet T8 this week. I don't think anybody's gonna back right home about him, but you know, just kind of uneven, but didn't have his A game still finished top 10 respect there. Here we go. Or get a little bit of a trance going downhill now. Bobby Mac and Tire. My man. Huge top 10. How about that bogey today? Unbelievable. Shout out to the turn of it, I would say. Humping 1 OB and then he hits almost holds out for par. Not just excellent, you know, excellent T8 from him. Kind of a cadre of young guys there. You got Bobby McIntyre, Daniel Berger played really well, minus seven, T8, and then Shephler, minus seven as well. So, I think you had some things to say about Shaffler earlier.

Yeah, I need more time. I think, Scotty broke my fucking heart. You cost me $16,000. You got to tweet Adam. Let him know. If I wasn't pre-conditioned, I got his phone number, I could text him. If I wasn't if I was if I wasn't pre conditioned I got his phone number I could text him If I wasn't pre conditioned to know that you're not supposed to yell at players that cost you money

I might have done it this week because I really was that that it is that you do feel that much alive when you're in the heat of it I believe it was called the sweat What was the thing like the woopy cushion sound? Yeah 70 second hole of the major somebody Set something off. Well singer said it sound like a woopy cushion sound. Yeah, 72nd hole of the major. Somebody set something up. Well, singer said it sound like a woopy cushion, which, which means it was, yeah, which means it was not. But, uh, yeah, if that would have happened in an American event, you know, how much of the British fans would have freaked out about that. I want to say more.

Colle, like we keep talking about how polished he is. I mean, the speech he was given for the for the british fans was just i mean he's just they're laughing it up and it was great whoops s what happened i'd acknowledging them properly on saturday sorry say that one more time.

Solid dropped out. I don't know what happened there. Solid was checking his DFS. He was text in the Scotty. Bucky man. Really cost me. Hey, man. No, I think, you know,

Colin certainly made up for, for, uh, you know, the lack of respect that he showed to the calorie on Saturday afternoon. Oh, if I have to hear one more time that these are the best fans, most knowledgeable fans, the, you know, they just beat that to death. I want to give a shout out to that guy whose pants were falling down with no shirt on. Every time they say that, a sunburned guy, that was a great look. You could always count on a shirtless guy at the open. You always can, it's the best. That might be legitimately trying to,

that might be my favorite thing of the week, was your report on the British radio and how they're dogging more of Colin for not being gracious enough on the 18th yesterday. Which it honestly did look like somebody sent something to it Like you got a salute to crowd board it this time or they're not gonna love you They were they were they were laughing it up from Louis They're like, you know, he's just such an experienced player

He knows how much this means to these people that have been standing out here all day on this whole It's like Randy the other day when the the Tour de France rolled in to the finish of one of the stages and the dude won by 15 minutes and everybody's still hung around. And the same thing on that broadcast, they were like, man, he's really just giving, he's so gracious to this audience

that hung around even though the leader already came through 15 minutes ago ago kind of thing. You know, it shows a certain level of decorum, I think. I will say the crowd seemed very pro-lui as well. Yeah. A lot of like the, you know, post-shot like, come on, Louis, come on, let it. It felt like they were, there's some, maybe it was a conscious thing from work. Oh, you know, it wasn't a pretty smooth of the crowds.

Right. Randy, guess what, Zander shot today? Hmm. 68, 65. Wow, really? Yeah, finished minus three for the tournament. Couple guys, I wanna shout out Kevin Streumann and Corey Connors showed out in the majors this year in a big way. I'm not sure if you're gonna win. I'm not sure if you're gonna win. I'm not sure if you're gonna win. I'm not sure if you're gonna win.

I'm not sure if you're gonna win. I'm not sure if you're gonna win. I'm not sure if you're gonna win. I'm not sure if you're gonna win. I'm not sure if you're gonna win. I'm not sure if you're gonna win. I'm not sure if you're gonna win. I'm not sure if you're gonna win.

I'm not sure if you're gonna win. I'm not sure if you're gonna win. I'm not sure if you're gonna win. I don't think many people pick that going into major season, but he seemed to show up like at least three out of four. Be remiss if I didn't mention that. I got a bonus thing with Matt, Matt, that's Patrick. He's just not playing well in the open championship. And I think that's like he and he said it's kind of in his head. He doesn't like the unpredictability of it all that. And for a guy that doesn't, he's not a bomber. He's not overpowering golf courses.

Like I think a guy like him needs to, needs to step up and learn how to play that style of golf, right? I would think that it would suit his game really well. You know, this golf course and being a speed light, this golf course would suit his game very well. But that was, that was not the case It isn't fortunate. Rany were you bummed to see Paul case he goes 70 70 on the weekend I was bummed I was I was

English English golf didn't really answer the bell and that's a shame because like I said they are proud people But man, they are proud people, but man, they Their record of majors is mocho mocho not good What else anything else shout out to Boutros Boutros Trangale Boutros Boutros Boutros This was his first First top 30 in a major Really with a with a shank big shank. He's been out on tour for he's been out on tour for first top 30 in a major. Really?

With a shank, big shank. He's been out on tour for like 12, 13 years. This is his first top 30 in a major. Are you going to apologize for him? No, I think it's a disgrace. I think the fact that he's won that much money and been able to hang around that long without, you know, like while being that mediocre, it kind of speaks volumes about the modern game a little bit. I do want to apologize for Fleetwood.

Thank you. I was very, very high on Fleetwood coming in this week, finished, finished minus two for the week, T33. It's got 70 today. It's got 70 today. Yeah, just not not great He didn't see in that and then cam Smith really faded today too 74 today for cam, but I think you know He just hasn't had the best the best run of it the last couple months Then lastly just want to want to give a shout out to the bow it of course Marcus Armadish T53 plus one, just a rock solid week. And, you know, just go take care of yourself, Bruce Ellem. Go rest. I laugh at what we consider like good and not good. It's my favorite. He tied John Thompson. It was the second

major ever ever guys. I got to think it was John Thompson's first, but I could be wrong about that. He won the Porsche European Open like seven or eight weeks ago. He finished that. I know. You know, like he's he's been on an absolute heater.

He's got to be exhausted. Let's let the guy breathe a little bit, Randy. Though for sure. He'd be Richard Blan's ass. Yeah, he should be blindy. Are you sure. He beat Richard Blanz ass. Yeah, he beat Blendy. Are you gonna apologize for Richard Blendy? Of course I wanna apologize for Richard Blanz. And he tied with Ricky too.

I got a question quick. Is Ricky still one of the best putters in the world or not? For sure. 100%. Okay. I feel like it's like a once a best putter in the world kind of thing. Always the best putter in the world.

It's a good point. Great. Like when they cut to him on a shot, like they do, you know once a best putter in the world kind of thing always the best putter in the world It's a good point right like when they cut to them on a shot like they do, you know Former number one player in the world. It should be like yep former number one putter in the world Ricky Fowler I might be one of those situations like when Remember when fax and a couple weeks ago tweeted out that list of his the top 10 putters in the history of the PJ tour But Rory out there Hard to argue with that. That's so ridiculous of all time. All time.

Do we want to wrap with any hamster, Dan? I'm worn out. I don't know too many commercials, man. Too much pressure. Not enough low shots, too many commercials, but I don't know. They also had nobody on the ground. They're all wearing too much pressure. Yeah, playing through on the 69th hole, the golf tournament, you know, cutting away from

Louis Shads at the very end of the 60th hole in the golf course, it's just, it's just such a middle thing. I mean, we've addressed this a million times, but like the level of which they're willing to fuck with you, it, it, it, it knows no bounds. It knows no limits. Nothing is off limits. I tried to throw up like alarm bells when they didn't show paul casey who had the only chance to time or a cal

at the pj when they didn't show that live on the seventy second hold the major the only guy that could possibly affect the outcome of this event that they didn't show that live and nobody really even seem to care or notice of just like all right well i guess we're just gonna sit here and this is what's gonna look like for eternity so the uh... i think uh... the fact that they sent no time is one of their

on court like the six people that they sent the fact that they sent no time would just that speak spoke volumes for me i will say those sky was not didn't didn't belong away it wasn't like a unbelievable more volume of shots shown there than. Then it was it was fine. It was good. I enjoyed the commentary. I enjoyed the pace a lot better than than a lot of the things you hear. Lord Davies is discused me. Dame Lord Davies is awesome to listen to and whatnot, but it didn't necessarily blow me

away. But they are who we thought they were when it comes to the coverage. The part that really frustrates me though is like, you know, the cost saving that comes from not sending all of your crew over there, none of that gets passed down to the viewer. Like it's just only affecting the Comcast bottom line. Like they sell the same amount of commercials, do the same amount of stuff, and like there's no benefit to that

to the consumer at all, and it only going to get worse from here on out from everything I've heard. So do we want to do any F1? I have a watch. I do want to give another shout out to the people on the open championship radio, open radio. It was a delight. It was a cornucopia of great English wit and vocabulary and, you know, one or two Americans on there too, which I didn't care

for, but the foreigners on there were fantastic. I love when they, they were saying things like the guys making an absolute pig's ear of this whole. Just stuff like that. You only get that one to hear. Every time Louis got down to pot, or to read a pot, Louis down on his haunchers, reading his pot. Yeah, F1.

I haven't got to watch it, but it's all the first lap. I only saw the first lap. Are there any spoilers in this chat? Does everybody know what happened? Well, I mean, I kind of picked up on Twitter, but I haven't watched any of it yet, so I don't have a ton to add. I just want to read that,

did you see what first happened tweeted afterwards? Yeah, that's all I really want to talk about. What did he tweet or also the Instagram? He kind of just streamlined it for Twitter said quote Glad I'm okay. So if if you haven't seen this Max on pole position was spun out by Lewis or possibly hit Lewis I don't I'm not here to make that judgment call Lewis was penalized for it I mean it was he was found at fault 10 second penalty for it, which really affected him. Sure, so Max, and I quote,

glad I'm okay, very disappointed with being taken out like this, the penalty given does not help us and does not do justice to the dangerous move Lewis made on track. Watching the celebrations while still in the hospital is disrespectful and on sports would like behavior, but we move on. It's the greatest sport.

It's the greatest sport. It's the greatest. Bob McIntyre calling, uh, calling guys off for not not yelling for. And I think karma, karma got a buck to 10 on that one this week, as we see, Bob McIntyre, the top 10. Yeah, I'm watching the race yet, but I'm just, I've, you know, since we started the segment, I've been waiting for TC to apologize for Sergio and he has not done so but I guess you're a Perez check-o. Yeah No, no, I'm not apologizing for check-o. Okay. It's okay. So we're fine. I do think I love the

the whole Sprint qualifying thing or the you know 100, 100 kilometer thing. I like going to mix stuff up like that. It was good. And then George, you know, George, George, you qualify as well and then gets blown with the penalty. Really good question there from John. Did they send Max to the hospital just to keep him away from Lewis? That's going to be, it's a perfect thing to happen at this point in the season. You know, like amp up that drama. It is and it's kind of, I mean, gosh, it's kind of worrying a little bit, to be honest. The quote that I think Hamilton's had beforehand was like, yeah, Max is one DNF away from this

thing, from this race, or this, this championship race being really close. And then he crashes him out on the first lap. It's kind of like, fuck man, like that. It seems like, all right, well now Max O's in one in general and like if they get to the last race and Max has a lead and can crash Hamilton and knock them both out and win the title, that's what happened with Senna back in the day. That seems very unsafe and Max's crash day was like not good.

No, like scary. He walked away from it but like didn't look very good after it, and I don't know. It seems a little, a little feisty. Apparently many people say we got to look up Horner's post-round interview. That's like, it was very spicy. I think we got to go do that.

Let's get to it. We're excited for that. Anything else? A couple of, I think it was on there. Rose Zhang completely just detonated, detonated, everybody in the final, like all week. It was a complete tour de force. And then want to give a special, well, she did not, hold on, she did not detonate Paula Miranda.

That went to extras. Yeah, and that was the only one that went to extras. Otherwise, everything was, she just ran away with it I watched a little bit of on streaming. He was fantastic. And then Anna Morgan, who our friend Joe's Wickel was counting for Donna Pinehurst in the north and south of the North South. I Don't know who won the North South, but I know Anna made it to the finals That what you have will bring you the answer to that question next week. Two did it again. More.

More. So rap, Randy, good luck to your red tonight, man. No, they already third losing. Oh, shit. Big big finish in the land of Lincoln on tap. Kailer more shot 60 yesterday with pars in his last two holes. He's got a two shot lead right now, but young hitter Justin Lowers T10 right now. Trying to get it inside that top 10. He's, I think he's 26th or 26th on the points list right now

for Cornfari. So trying to get him through to the PGA tour next year. Godspeed to him. That would be awesome. I'm Gina Kim on the North South. So not our, not our, not our girl Anna unfortunately. Congrats to Gina. Yes.

Looking for one more thing to root for. David Lingmerth is just fell back to T13. Was in the top five of the Barbosol needs like a top three finish to get into the Corm very finals. Friend of mine, very much rooting for David. He's had a very tough go. This would be one huge, everyone's almost one huge week away from changing their career, getting it back on track. So I'll be watching that one closely.

So the Irish would jump all over us if we were a mess and didn't mention Shamest Power. He's currently T2. And JT Post has opened up a four shot lead down there. So to your exemption comes that event. That's going to be interesting one to watch this afternoon. All right, boys. Well, it might be. It might be. It could be. Some lives could change. We're getting close to 125 now. Finally. I mean, that's true.

There's a couple more weeks of seeing who's going to keep status and what not. But it's been a pleasure covering major championships with you lot. And thanks to everyone for watching the live shows, tuning in, give us a shit on Twitter, giving us shit in the comments, giving us shit, just an eternity. Greatly appreciate it. We've got what we've got what this week. We've got three M and then and the Olympics the following week. Yeah, okay Are they Olympics next week next week? Oh and Evie on this week on the LPGA right allegedly? Yeah, I don't I don't know That's it. I don't know if that tournament's a real tournament I was gonna say probably the most exciting tournament left on the counters is the women at Kurnews The cannot wait for that. Yeah cannot wait for that. So awesome. All right guys take care. Cheers everyone All along, come along, sing the open song and a pint, and you might blend a cheer. Either when she is strong, now the days are quite long, all along, sing the open song.往後往心裡有個場