No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 460: Evian/3M Recap (+ Jose Maria Olazabal interview)

Episode Date: July 26, 2021

We recap Minjee Lee's win at the Evian, Cam Champ's win at the 3M, Bryson and Rahm out of the Olympics, golf in the Olympics in general, Evian's status as a major, Champ's ability to close, Grayson Murray's tweet, Ryder Cup, WITB, and a ton more. We also chat with Jose Maria Olazabal (1:04:00) about his new golf course in Greece, his career, and a lot more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. That is better than most. Better than most! I just take a little vacation. Is out in California. Big server remains undefeated. Couple of friends weddings, you know, it's July. You kind of got to get off the grid, the European style. Yeah, I love that. The European style would not be working on a Sunday night. That's true.

To be very, very clear. We're heading in that direction, but that's tough to attain. We are heading off tomorrow for two week tourist sauce filming trip. We're going to be a little light on Olympic coverage in part, in main part because of that. Just getting out in front of this storyline. The rest of the guys are all packing up,

getting ready to go. Tough, tough night for big Randy in the mentions. Very tough. He, the end of the strap was, he hasn't reached out to me before just detonating. He's a, he's in a very curious tweet. It just doesn't really sound like him. It's very surprising to hear him say,

I think I'm done with public golf for the time being five and a half hour round yesterday. Guys with their shirts untucked, I just can't fake like I enjoy this anymore. The game needs to be shrunk. Anyone in the Denver area with a membership, please hit me up and invite me out. That's good work.

The first part of this that should have been not believable was that Randy played golf yesterday. That's a good point. Come on, people, he's in the pouch, all right. How is this not incredibly obvious? I crafted this tweet. I spent hours thinking about it. It ruined most of my week.

I had to watch Colin Joes and Michael Che, who write jokes for each other at the end of every SNL season, and they read them live on air. Watch that crying laughing as I try to come up with something that I really thought people wouldn't fall for. And as of right now, we're at 410 replies and 100 quote retweets for Randy just burning into honestly might be his like most, you know, most engagement of all time for the big

guy. I mean, it's historic stuff we're talking about. Oh, they're still rolling in big guy. I'm sorry I had to do this to you. I can't believe that people thought this was a real tweet, but this is giving us a lot of laughs. There's a good amount of people in there that call real. The real ones know. Exactly, they knew it for what it was.

But quick shout out, we're gonna talk some avion, we're gonna talk some 3M classic, Bryson, Rom, Limpix, We're going to do some Ryder Cup. We're going to do some What's in the bag. Big, big show tonight. At the very end, we are also going to have an interview with Jose Maria Ola Fable. Got a chance to interview him actually a couple months ago. It wasn't a full-length interview, so we're tacking it onto the end of a Sunday night

recap here. He's got a new golf course opening up in Greece. We talked about and did a, talked about a number of things. Before we get too far, Juggling Lee 6, she fired a 61 on Friday. She ended up losing an up playoff at the Avion to Minji Lee, which we're gonna talk about Least 6. Using an epic speed driver, nine degrees, also has an epic speed,

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And that's not a common theme among some of major equipment companies in golf. So giving them a shout out for that. Also another win for the ChromeSoft X and the Epic Speed this afternoon with Nacho Elvira on the European tour Chromesoft X huge summer continuing to win on tours around the world along with major wins at the PGA championship and US open Number one driver brand at the avion

They also won the putter count at the senior British open and the and the avion they've now won 34 consecutive major putting Putter counts across PGA LPGA and champions tours, so. So. And you know what? They can add a title coming soon, Taurus sauce. That I will undoubtedly the winner of Taurus, saw season seven will be using. We'll be gaming some Caliway stuff. What's the biggest golf news of the week in your mind? Kind of a weird week. We have a LPG major, but we're also coming off a men's major and end of crazy men's major season. I got us. I think it's the Olympic stuff with with Bryson and Ram. us, I think it's the Olympic stuff

with Bryson and Ram, honestly. I mean, no offense to 3M or the Evian. We're gonna debate Evian status as a major championship as well, and we'll get to that. But a couple of questions we got. Liam Spur 82, Bryson getting a positive rona test. Is this a ruse, so we have to avoid the testing at the Olympics.

Oh, man, I'm kinda here for this. If it is, I mean, that's chess, right? Like, I mean, good deflection where you're going to take some heat for, where not being vaccinated and, but not taking as much heat for taking steroids. That is, that is sick. And not taking any heat for declining to play in the Olympics. But I don't know that. I don't want to give Bryson too much credit. Bryson is incapable of playing chess, I think. He is very much playing checkers.

And I think it comes from like this whole PR story they've been trying to weave for many weeks has at least people, like at least people's radar is up like from the get go. Like they've lost the plot when it comes to the public's, the benefit of the doubt when it comes to public thinking. Automatically, people are throwing out theories like crazy because you know you're gonna get some bizarre PR spin out of this and.

It's just so many things, like I'm watching golf today. I think at least three rocket mortgage commercials with Bryson and Tim. It's like, man, there's just, we've got to cycle some of these in and out. God, we got that going on, you know, the whole caddy thing, which that's died down, but it's still like, oh my God, what a, you know, massive divorce that was.

And then, yeah, it's just all of a sudden Sunday morning, Bryson's, he's not going to the Olympics anymore, right? That's just, he just kind of follows him around. The drama's following him around. Let me put it that way, which, you know, could obviously spark a huge, was he vaccinated? What are you thinking? How are you not vaccinated?

And then honestly, like just through me back and has me so freaking, I'm already, there's so much confusion around this virus and how we're trying to get back to normal life that John Rom test positive again after being vaccinated and after having COVID two months ago. The question we got from the Cal once of one. I know. Read the handles before I get ready to read it. Cal, we got to work on that one.

Ram two times positive COVID test after being vaccinated are the tests being done correctly. Truly don't have an answer to this. Yeah, man, that's outside my, that's gonna be outside my purview. I don't understand how, and then this is a different scenario, right? If you are fully vaccinated outside of your two week period on the PGA tour, you're no longer subject to testing. So you can't test positive and you do not get eliminated from events.

Olympics is different, and I truly don't fully understand why or how is positive yet again he took four tests after the British open and test positive in three of them. It wasn't like a fluke of some kind. I really don't know how this is possible. And so I don't know, it honestly made me,

might have saved me a little bit from going off on Bryce and being not being vaccinated because I don't know the full story there. And clearly, you know, that this is possible and this is where we're at. So. Well, and it's, have you watched the Olympics at all? Some. Oh, yeah. I watched them through on three basketball. I think we could talk about deep deep in the table tennis today. My guy Kumar from the US got beat by the, the suite who just all class from the suite today on the, on the table tennis circuit, but they, like I was watching Beach volleyball as well.

They're not shaking hands at the match, but then we're playing ping pong. I, and I feel it sucks because they're trying their best to put these Olympics on without this becoming a massive world health crisis. I get it, but it's just, you know, it's kind of like one, you know, you're trying over here, but then you're over here and you're like,

well, that's kind of the same thing, isn't it? We're touching the ping pong balls. And so I don't know how often they're getting tested. I did Rom get tested before, like before you left. And yeah, yeah. So I think at least part of this is worth noting is that Japan as a country is, I believe, according to this top Google search, there are 23.3% vaccinated as a country, which the

US is 49.6 and at least 57% of a hundred and eighty-seven million people have at least one shot, right? So, it's a different vaccination situation over there, which is I think a big reason for no fans and big reason for this very stringent testing. Which I get, I support that. You got to do what you have to do to keep your country safe. If that's how you want to put these games on, I understand that. So I think that's just worth discussing when it comes to these positive tests. I think it's coming at a time period at least within this country where people are very, very fed up with the debates around all this stuff and the energy harness and people are just kind of very beaten down by this.

So let me, let's bring it back around to the Olympics. Who do you think is gonna win the Olympics? I think Justin Thomas is gonna win the Olympics. Really? That's gonna be my trip. Yeah, it just feels like, I don't know. It feels, I don't know. I really don't know why it just came to me in a vision. The JT is gonna win the Olympics. That's gonna be my trick. Yeah, it just feels like, I don't know. It feels, I don't know. I really don't know why it just like came to me in a vision that JT is gonna win the Olympics.

I kind of, I'm kind of hoping to see Patrick read up there with the Olympics. That would be amazing. I think that would be pretty epic. That would be amazing. Yeah, of course, of course they're swapping out Bryce and for Reed. Which is, this isn't really sick.

It is, it's, we are living in a simulation. I don't know how this is Which is really sick. It is. We are living in a simulation. I don't know how this is possible, but yeah, Reed is. Well, at least Reed wants to be there. Like I've heard you know that, right? So like that's good. Somebody is going on behalf of the US that is excited to be there, which there's several other players that, you know,

and from other countries that are not excited to be there. So good, bad to agree. I don't say that often. Yeah, Rory seems to be very, very much mailing it in and it looks like he's being held hostage by Omega. I found this thing very clearly. This is why he's doing this. It's an Omega thing and gosh, it just it just. But I am a huge, I love the Olympics shamelessly.

Maybe not even shamelessly, but everyone's like, oh, I'm out up for it this year. You got USA, NBC, they got it on all the channels and you can flip back and forth, watch Badminton today. The guy from Japan's a total menace. Like, I love all these just niche sports, watch Water Polo. There's nothing like getting invested in a sport you didn't know was on TV, but then you flip it on

by like an hour later, we are like, we watched volleyball yesterday, it was awesome. The US for France. I don't, you could take the, you know, I don't need to watch the basketball, like basketball's fun, but it's not about that and the swimming for me. I like all the niche sports.

Start watching Taekwondo or the weightlifting, like, you know, is this woman gonna throw like, you know, 150 kilograms over her head right now? And then it's like the pinnacle of life. It's epic, which is why as hardcore golf fans, it's super hard to get excited about a four-round stroke play, 72-hole tournament that is not any different other than like they're playing it in the country that's also hosting all these other events. It's not different from a competition-wise that, you know, you're playing for your country and all that, but that gets not a team event.

And I didn't watch much of Rio and just the way the schedule's worked out this year, we're not gonna be able to watch much. I wish I cared more about it. Maybe I will if I sat down and watched it, I would care a lot more about it. But... What's just hard for us?

We watch golf every week. So it's not something that feels, as I don't know, as it's not as interesting, it's not as important. That's not what the Olympics represent to me. It represents like a reason for me to watch all these other sports that I've never seen at a high level. Yeah, I watched the the replay. There was a viral video going around of the Tunisian swimmers family watching him win gold and like they're at watch party and he wins gold. And like I just started crying. Like watching it. I was like, all right, that's the Olympics. Like watching a millionaire athlete, you know, when, when a, when a medal, like doesn't, I don't know, it doesn't really.

It's all this and capsulate the Olympics and the World Cup. But probably more the Olympics, it always puts my, puts like life in perspective to you. You're like, man, it's not 2016. It put, it makes you think about the last time you watched the Olympics. Like, God, I was in San Francisco. Like, I was, I mean, that's five years ago. You know, you used to, and then like all these memories

of that two weeks in 2016 starts to flood back. And so that's just an interesting like four year experience that I always have. Yeah. That should be interesting in Paris, you know, the next go around where like they're coming off the open championship in the same kind of time period and it shouldn't be a huge travel burden. Hopefully out of the pandemic at that time, what the excitement level around golf might be

wet. I know we talked about this before. What could what could they do with golf in the Olympics? Like could it if it was a two-man game, but then you got the rider cup and the presence cup already. So there's already a team competition that's, you know, more important, I guess you could say. I think a double elimination bracket of some kind, so something match play. Oh yeah, match play for sure. Like put a country against a country.

Yeah. Top two players from each one or something. I think that would be very engaging as well, especially because there's not enough match play to begin with. And that's the opposite of like what, how this is gonna, somewhat out of my ass, but this is what I've, it's been like, it explained to me

the like what how Olympic qualification in like introduction of a sport happens is like they would go to golf, whatever that means and say, hey, how at the highest level, what are your competitions? And they would say we do four rounds of stroke play. It's like, boom, that's our competition.

That's what we have to do because that's how you identify the best golfer. We're not going to do a gimmick round, which maybe in the future there might be more basketball. What do they say to the three on three Federation of Basketball? I want some of that dude. It was so bad. It was amazing. It made me laugh so hard. And I don't, I don't know how they make these teams. I didn't know it was a sport in the Olympics until this, this weekend. I did either. It was so entertaining.

I mean, just dudes throwing up bricks, taking horrible shots. It's a US. Rules are weird. There is a US team. I haven't watched them yet. But. And is it pulled from like the, no, there's no NBA players. Okay. So it's not USA basketball. I haven't watched them yet. But. And is it pulled from like the, no, there's no NBA players. Okay, so it's not USA basketball. I do not know who is even on the US team. I have to, who is, we have to look that up. But, uh, yeah, it's, it's tough. I do get excited for the Olympics.

I feel like I, I, I, I try to tell myself I'm not excited. And then as soon as the opening ceremony is kick off and like the events are on, I'm like, all right, what's the metal count out? Like where are we at? It's, it's just don't quite feel the same way about golf, but let's do avion next. Okay.

Did you get to watch much of the avion this week? I did not. No, I caught a little bit of it when they changed over like the rerun honestly from golf channel to CBS today. Look like an exciting playoff, one hole. It got good at the very end. I didn't get to watch a ton this week. It did not line up very good with my ability to be in front of a television. But Minji Lee

shoots a final round at 64 and absolutely stuffs the pit to get into a playoff. Juggling Lee 6 out of five shot lead going into the final round. You let me know had her caught by the eighth hole, which part and part from what you let me know did and part from Lee Six really falling back to the field. Lee Six rallied on the back nine, clutch birdie on 17 and 18 to get into a playoff. And into the playoff, Minji Lee hits just an awesome, awesome second shot into this par-5 over water and hits it to maybe eight feet or something for eagle and then puts the pressure on Lee Six and Lee Six hits one in the water hit a really, really skanky shot. They were not used to seeing pros hit, but that was some good drama.

Just some serious, serious action of huge players. You let me know 19 years old, almost wins a major just came up, missed some puts on 15, 16 and 18 that really could have what have made one of those and she's in the playoff. And then Minji Lee, whose brother wins the Scottish Open earlier this month, now comes out and wins her first major. It was great stuff. It was the ninth consecutive first time winner in a women's major.

The less viral tweet from Big Randy. Yeah. The one that hasn't gotten a lot of attention. Date to that timeline, big Randy's got some good stuff on there. Gosh, I wonder how many followers he's been. Somebody replied to that and said, what does this do for Nellie's over under?

I think what I say 11? 11 majors for Nellie. Oh, listen, it's not good. All right, we're at the clock sticking on that, but we'll see. What is working in your favor, very young, is that there's five majors a year, which I think kind of brings us to our next year. It's not good. All right, we're at the clock's ticking on that, but we'll see. What is working in your favor, very young, is that there's five majors a year, which I think kind of brings us to our next topic is like, is the aviana major?

And I admittedly don't know a lot about the history, and it really took until Stacey Lewis just kind of put a bullet in on the podcast about a month ago, just saying like, yeah, you can't just like throw money into an event and have it call to major. And if players are gonna skip it, and I know there's a lot of reasons why in a pandemic and the travel rules have been very different and it sounded like it was not an easy situation for anyone playing in it, et cetera,

but it has not been in major for a very long period of time and it just feels like a half of a major at best. So it's a, you know, kind of elevated status event pretty much, right? Or it's the players. It's like, yeah, wait, wait, you can't throw money at something and call it the gold standard. You can't do that. I think they, you know, down on PGA Torage key, they'd like to have a word with you.

Probably about some other stuff too, but I think that on the players note though, like it is a world class and very challenging, very interesting, very difficult golf course that identifies a champion and it tests a lot of different skills and rewards a lot of different playing styles. And that's not really the case, I think, with Avion. Like there's been questions in the past about this golf course not being good enough condition even for a major, which did not seem to be much of an

issue this go around. But when I watch it, it looks exactly like a normal LPGA event. And part of the reason I don't see have a little bit of trouble getting up for the A&A inspiration is like, it's not a representative championship, right? We have the US Women's Open, the USGA, the National Championship. Like, that is super easy for me to get up for. The women's British now run by the RNA and they've that events had a big time, you know, return to glory if you will. Like that gets me pumped up. Like in the home of golf, some of the great golf courses

they go to there, they're going to car news to here in a couple of weeks. That gets me excited. Women's PGA championship. It's the pretty it's parallel there is the PGA championship, right? It's a the PGA of America's major championship. That's easy there is the PGA championship, right? It's a the PGA of America's major championship. That's easy to get hype for. A and A is like their version of the masters, which I'd give them because of the history of them putting up the money and putting women's golf on the map. It would give them. It is. It's not, obviously, not a gust of, but it's still like, there's some tradition there. Correct. I appreciate. And it's also what it's the first one of the year. It is. So that helps too., it's not, it's not, obviously not a Gustav, but it's still like, there's some tradition there. Correct. I appreciate. And it's also what, it's the first one of the years.

It is. So that helps too. And it's like, hey, this is the kickoff for us. That leaves the avion to be like, what are we, what are we after here? Like, sure. And I'm like, huge fan of a $4.5 million prize fund for the women. And like, if that's what, you know, that's what it takes to get, you know, to get the, that big of a prize pool

had to be called a major, you know? I'm in on that, if that's the case, I just, I personally have our time in there for. Why are they married to that course? I think it's a resort golf club and that's like what's their whole point of putting the event on is to attract resort play for it. I would have to assume.

Should get HSBC on the phone and, you know, seems like, you know, kind of one of those late season cash grabs a little bit. But the women's version of it. Yeah. It's, it's, no offense to Evie on great water. No offense to anyone. Okay, that's, I'll drink their water.

That's good stuff. But yeah, I'm with you. The, the where it falls on the calendar and the lack of tradition, it's tough to slap a major. And, and the lack of a golf course, even the, you know, women themselves are like, I don't think this is a great spot. Like I don't really want to go.

If your top players are skipping it, if a lot of decent on top players are skipping it, it's like fair to call in and that part into question. But I would like to give a shout out to Leonna McGuire, who I think you picked this week. I did not. Randy did. She didn't like it last week.

He picked her to win, but we got to see her at KPMG at the PGA and 61 today on Sunday. Bald-Own, I think she came in fifth or six, definitely top 10. So it feels like she's trending. So the boys were early there and I think, sorry, Randy, he's back in the pouch this week, but maybe his picks are trending as well. Somewhere Randy and I shot some content with her back at the KPMG in like 2018, I don't think it ever made it to air. But so we've been early early on the air in McGlyard.

Shout out to KPMG who was very early on her too, sponsoring her. I think right when she just came out of school as an amateur. So come on man, like what are you talking about the sponsor? You're always talking about people sponsors Shout out to the sponsors first one. I think my sponsors last time I was on your criticizing me for calling out like mega Corp Well mega Corp is not a sponsor of ours KPMG. It's come on sort of sort of sort of we put them in the past We do work with KPMG correct. So yeah, that's speaking of sponsors But only do this you're given hold on a second, you're giving your old employer a shout out there. No, that would not be why.

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I picked him T10 this week, and I think he tied for 12 third. Tives T11. T11, that's tough. He just couldn't, he had a put on 17. I love how we're leading with Chez and not Kim. Kim, but it's that kind of tournament. Sometimes you gotta come up with the agenda.

You gotta come up with the agenda before the final of the finale. No offense at 3M. I love the hooks and the heesives there. There, a lot of 3M stuff in the kill house, but tough, it wasn't an exciting week on the PGA tour. So you got to create your own excitement. Chez Fest, week two, we didn't even see it coming.

It was like one of those concert pop-up concerts. Like after Chez Fest, they all go and play at the bars until like 3am, That's what this was. So that was that was bonus chez fest for everybody. There is no more jarring twist than like going from open championship, watching a British Open course to TPC Twin Cities. It's really freaking tough. I mean, land of 10,000 lakes.

That's sums up that course, man. Like water on like what 16 of 18 holes, it's should and they show that a lot of aerials. Yeah. And it's just massive, massive lakes everywhere. The aerials are not helping. Sometimes the aerials bring a course to life. And this, it does not. That's case. It looks like a lot of the same whole, you know, dog leg left water all the way up the left, dog leg right water all the way up the right, it just, it feels very carbon copy. It is very much asking one question, can you hit it high and stop it?

Yes. Like, can you, can you cover this lake and hold the green? Can you cover this lake and hold the green? Can you cover this lake and hold the green? It turns out, Cameron champ can cover this lake and hold the green at Mike McGee 51. Is cam champ the poster child from Maffa Neely's take advantage when you get the opportunity strategy. That win today that's three wins and only seven career top 10s.

Wow. That's a that's a great call Mike McGee 51. That's I think that's I'm so glad I'm so glad. I'm so glad. I'm on the poster so glad Randy's not here tonight to do the victory lap on how many more wins he has than Tony Finau and how many women. Kyle Porter tweeted it today. He's got more wins than Louis Ustaz and Tony Finau combined.

I still get, I knew this and I still every time they say it, Ustaz and it's never one in the US. Correct. Right? I know that and every time I hear it, it blows me away. It's like melting my face like. Right? I know that. And every time I hear it, it blows me away. It's like melting my face like chess fest whenever I hear that. Camp champ is so hard to figure out. It's so confusing. He does almost nothing. He does nothing above average on the tour than drive it. He

drives it really far. Turns out he puts it well every once in a while. Like this is his fourth positive strobe game putting week of the season. He's 209th or something on tour coming into this week. But it was first this week. But first this week. So maybe he's working with somebody new. Maybe it's a honeymoon phase. A more Iowa situation.

That would be, if that is the case, that had been great. And I will say this, I will. Information. I saw several puts. I think it was 15 or 16. He made out of the bunker. So I was 16, the driver before. He was striking puts and he had the line roll and end over and I felt

like every time they showed him putting, it was like, damn, that was a really confident roll right there. So, you know, maybe it won't last, but credit to him because he was definitely feeling it. And maybe this is, you is, we have a podcast coming out on Tuesday with Mark Brody where we talk about a couple topics here that I'll introduce here about volatility and variability in some of these stats, right? If you, basically if you hit your averages every week, you're no one will ever win.

Because the person who wins has some volatility. They have a career week putty and they have a great week drive and whatever it might be. That's one thing, second thing being just like golf shots on the PGA tour, or it's something that, you know, madving the Ili said as well, like they're not linear. Every shot is not created equal.

And when you're in contention, the ability to hit positive shot, positive shot, positive shot is more valuable than when you're T65. And Cam Champ has now done this three times of when he's gotten close, he's closed it out, he's done it, he's done whatever he's needed to do to win the tournament. Did it look a little shaky coming down the stretch today?

Yes, but he shot Bogey free 66 today at the same time. Yeah, how about that up down on 18, after that guy that drive on 18 was... What the hell was that strategy? I mean, he was not hitting driver at all in the back 90, at 172 ball speed with his two iron, which is, tour average ball speed is like 169, 170 with driver, and he's hitting that with two iron.

That's the advantage this guy has, not even needing to hit driver and still being able to blow it past people. He was hitting that thing, not great, he had a couple squirrely kind of shots with it, but, it sounds like he had missed it, he had missed that club right though. Yeah.

Earlier on the back nine a couple times, so maybe that factored into it, but it's like he had missed it. He had missed that club right though. Yeah. Earlier on the back nine a couple times. So maybe that factored into it, but to just whale, like the swing he made on that driver was like, I mean, that was like all out. He had a 195 ball speed. Like a, that's a, that's a, basically, Bryson, I think when he tried to drive it over the water, when he did drive it over the water on number six at Bay Hill,

I think he hit like 194. Sure. So Cam hit faster than that on that ball that he just needed to hit a fairway finder with. And it's kind of like if you're gonna, there's no point in hitting that shot and bailing that far left. I mean, almost would've been better off

just driving it into the water, taking a drop and then, like, he ended up, you ended up being kind of no sweat and you made par, but that shot he had out of the thick stuff that he had to hit under trees, but get it out of thick stuff. So you need a lofted club and miss a center line tree that was right in that punch out line.

And it barely missed it. He was very fortunate that somehow did not hit that tree. But I thought that he and his caddy had some pretty good process there. But they know the situation. I they had to have once they were in that thick rough on the second shot. 100% because then he chips it out and then the cat he's like, we're hitting Gap wedge. Like he hit like, you know, 100 yard like punchy,

his third shot was right to the comfiest number he's got, which was like 129 and then he hit a great wedge in. So it was a lot more dramatic than it had to be for sure. I wonder about the on the T, you know, and I think a novelist said that too, like they have to know where they're at, right? But if they did, why would they make that decision? Other than maybe he felt like he's gonna,

you know, blow it right with that driving iron that he'd been using all day. I think there's something to not knowing, when you're not in the last group, there's a benefit to not knowing where you stand, right? Like you just need to like keep making good numbers because anything can happen behind you, you can't make decisions assuming that somebody's gonna

birdie in, assuming somebody's gonna par in, but when you're the last group on the golf course, it pays to know exactly what you need, especially if you're going to win a tournament. And they may have known, but they played that hole like they didn't know, and that is, I think it was not like a second guess. I was, you know, kind of packing up, getting ready to come down here to record the pod. And I looked up and he had driver in his hand. I was like, Oh, he could drive that in the water or like left is

really bad if I remember right. It caught my attention and sure enough, like it made things a little bit interesting. But not by far, the not the biggest takeaway I think of the week is that camp champ is now one three takeaway, I think of the week, it's that Cam Champ is now one three times on the PGA tour and it's really hard to make sense of, but man, when he has gotten himself into contention, he's gotten it done. And for as much as we talk about,

a lot of guys that don't do it, on cue, big Randy has tweeted, Cam Champ has more PGA tour with the Tony Fiat, Louis Ustaz had combined. I will say this or point out, what was he dehydrated? That's what it seemed like. You know, he's getting,

I was getting kind of like some Jason Day vibes watching the Nike guy stumble around. I was like, what's going on here? That's not Jason Day. I hope, but I do know how it feels to be like heat stroke sucks. So like if that's what it was, but then I didn't see anybody as caddy's not like, yo, here drink this with like, like, dumping salts and electrolytes in a water bottle.

So I was like, why aren't we drinking fluids if that's the issue? So I don't know. I wonder if he had a migraine. It just looked like he was feeling horrible the last five or six holes. It was a little flu game-ish there at the end and seemed like he had recovered okay. But it is, that's not, I mean, everyone's got to do it, but underrated thing of like being in the heat of the moment in the literal sun and wearing pants like sucks ass. Like there's a black pants. Yes.

Which might be his own call. Yeah, black hat. Like it wasn't the best, uh, you know, late summer outfit probably. And there didn't look like there was shady spots to wait it out on the tee and whatnot. And yeah, it's stressful trying to close one of these things out. And I get through this a lot when I'm even slightly dehydrated in the floor to heat, when I bend down to read a puttin' stand up, like things like spin a little bit and I'm like, me like, oh shit, I need to hydrate a little bit. But at that point, it's almost too late.

And when you're under pressure, it's gotta be pretty easy like, forget to drink water. Sure. So much going on. You know, maybe that's on the catty board. Like here, drink this, like, drink it. But it probably, like, A's here, I love to do the, you know, I used to eat my corn flakes one piece at a time when I was under pressure. Like, they might not feel like there's much room for water when you're really feeling the pressure and the nerves. And so that wouldn't surprise me if there was something, I don't have any quotes in front of me yet

that I haven't been published yet since we started. But that wouldn't surprise me if there was some kind of reaction like that. All right, so the naked rancher, I did read this handle, said, if the tour had to cut three tournaments for any reason, what are your top three to make the list? Ooh, this one's gotta be up there, unfortunately. And I love Minnesota golf.

No one loves Minnesota golf more than me, of course, but this one, again, it's probably anyone that has to have this tournament right after British Open is really, really in a tough spot, but this one just kind of exhausts me a little bit. This one's, that golf course is not fun to watch. I get a little stuck with like all the Texas open, prior to Nelson, you know, I like colonial,

I feel like there's a lot going on in Texas. There's the Houston open, like I kind of wish we'd chop one in Texas. Texas got a lot of golf. Like take your pick there because there's other parts of the country, the same thing with Ford, a Honda get it out. Like let's just get rid of it, right?

That's, I'm cool. And I, you would think, go to the silly season stuff, you know, the reach around stuff in the fall, but some of those are even more fun because they feel like they give guys a shot. You know, the vibe seems like it's good out at Safeway. The one in Vegas is usually somewhat fun. So I think there's too much Florida and Texas stuff

on the calendar where you could probably spread it out a little bit more. I think yeah, this is top nominee. I think I like that the tour is going back to Detroit in the in the rocket mortgage, but if that's probably one that's probably on the chopping block for me as well. Again, if you have to take something out.

Well, let's ask you this. Is it is that because this tournament and that one because of where it is on the calendar? Probably. Just cause it's dog days of summer. Probably, yeah. Right, so maybe if those are, cause I feel like Honda's in like the best spot,

not the best spot. It's, it's sandwiched between big tournaments. So for them, it's not the best, but it's a high, high viewership time period, right? Like, oh, I don't wanna watch this tournament. It is, for whatever reason, just really doesn't pop on TV. I'm with you.

It's hard for me to pick that one though, just knowing it's like legit, the longest sponsored event on the PGA tour. You know, the most historic, not maybe not the most historic, but the longest one time continuous sponsor on the PGA tour. I guess I'll have to sponsor. Yeah. Corporate Sally over here, but well then, okay, so it's hard to chop turn them. I don't need more pro golf and I'm also like, gosh, it's hard to chop it.

Texas too is like, you know, it was cool at speed one this year at Valero, but that one bounced around a little bit. I mean, there's got to be a warm up for the masters though. So it's like, that's probably a good one to have. How about the desert? How about the MX? MX is up there. It's kind of in the middle of nowhere a little bit for me.

You used to have celebrity vibes, doesn't really have it anymore. Golf courses are very matte. Almost like when the Bob Hope name went away. Yeah. That gave it an identity. And now it's like, yeah, the MX desert classic is stuck between identities a little bit for me.

Let's move on before we piss off any other regions of this country. I think we're safe on Palm Springs. And I would say that Texas, I like a lot of the tournaments in Texas. It's just you have too many. So there's no reason you'd piss that. And Florida, same thing. There's plenty of golf and Florida on the calendar. It also sucks that two of the Texas events are in May,

which is like one of their worst weather months for golf. If there was, I know it's not possible for a Texas fall swing because of how big football is down there, but October, like Texas swing would make way too much sense, I think. Keith Mitchell had seven straight birdies opening his round. Saturday, he finished T3, shout out to him. And a T6 for Mido Pereira, fresh off his battlefield exemption,

immediately won three times in the cornferrey towards his past this current season, battlefield automatic promotion. Struggling to get in events a little bit, just because that exemption category is pretty far down the list. But a T6 in a nice big payday for him. I, I, Mido Pereira candidly never heard his name. There are a couple there, T6 and a nice big payday for him. I meet up with a pro-era candidate.

Never heard his name. There are a couple of other things. I'd never seen Roger Sloan play golf. I've never seen, I heard Bo Hoag's name, but I've never really watched him play. And it's cool sometimes, like, oh, God, some new faces for someone that watches a lot of golf more than the average viewer.

It's like, wow, this is a week for those guys to make some big money so we can do them. It's a good time for kind of make your own reality and like kind of forcing yourself to be interested in who's gonna be in that top 125, who's gonna be in the top 200 to make the Cornfairy Finals. Like, you know, it's a little stressful.

I mentioned last week I'm rooting for David Lindbergh to get inside that top 200 to make the Cornferry final. He's a 201, right? He finished. He finished T28 this week. He shot one over today to likely, I mean, he'll have a couple at least one more start, I think, but like he's needs against that top 200 to get in the cornferry finals.

And yeah, there's some livelihoods that stay here. Is Ricky Fowler, Ricky's now at 125 in the projected rankings. I just try to do the math on it, man. I know you're not exemption category expert guy, but I think he was gonna have to use this top 50 career earnings exemption if he didn't finish top 125 this year. And he's still not in for good, but I'd be interested to see if he goes and plays the bearer kuda

to try to get some more points. He's in the top 50 career earnings wise. Yeah, oh yeah, definitely. All those guys are. Which is inch with what he's won four. He's won five times. Five times, okay. Still, that's impressed.

That's, I find that impressive for a guy that has won. There's a lot, other guys have won a lot more than him. You know, I would think he would be farther down the list. Let's do career earnings, guess, for Ricky Fowler. I'm gonna say he's in the 40s. I would say I was going to guess like high I think he's right under the 50 if he is. I was going to guess 42. I just saw it. He was 39.956. So he's going to cross over 40 very quickly. May very well be top 40 overnight or into 40 million overnight 24th all time. 24th, that's just on the course. Just on course, yeah.

Wow. That's impressive. I mean, you know, a little bit, you could say it's impressive or it's not, it's a little bit of, it's impressive. It's impressive, but to be in, yeah. To make a career on the PGA tour and not win a ton and make that kind of money is really impressive. We can look at the all-time money list and kind of laugh at guys that we wouldn't expect

to have earned that much money, but they don't give it out. That you got to earn it. Like you go beat other people at golf and they pay you for it. Even if it doesn't come to like top of mind as in like brand snettakers made $40 million in the PGA. That's right. I was gonna ask who is in front of Ricky and right behind him. Luke Donald's right behind him.

Wow. At 36.7 million. Yeah. The number one player in the world. For a long time. Yeah, he was like number one in the world for a long time. Yeah, he was like number one in the world for over a year, I think, or close to that. And who's right? Brandon Stenner goes right in front of him.

That's 40 million. Then Charles Howell's right above him. So how's been falling down the list? Yeah, he needs to. I mean, that's a pretty good chunk of change for, you know, just playing it on the West Coast. This all career. That's pretty pretty chill right there.

Roy Saboteini, 35 million in his career. Like, it's insane, but like, again, like I said, they pay a lot of money for fourth place and you can make a lot of those and you earn a lot of money. So, one question is humor me, where's Chez? Where's Chez on the all time money list? I got this one three times on tour

110th at 17.1 million dollars kind of boy look at him punching above his weight Just I love Chaz just above Rocco just above JJ Henry and just behind Brendan steel Oh my god Brendan steel that's I mean that's good company right there though I think he's right where he should be the piece I have the PJ tour all time, money list, as my own page. It's the greatest page. It's fascinating. It just makes your imagination run wild. You're like, I guess that guy has bald out for 20 years. It would be a great, sporical quiz, I think, to try to like fill.

I'm wondering if there is one. I have to go find it if there is one. Next up, let's talk a little rider cup. I guess I kind of wanted to after the British Open last week, but we went like two hours just trying to make sense of all that and we needed a little bit of time to digest everything.

This segment is of course brought to you by our friends at BMW who are global partners of the Ryder Cup, partners of ours as well. They support a lot of great content around the Ryder Cup, including just telling us to talk about it, which is great. But update look at the standings. On the US side, we have Moorakawa, DJ Bryson,

Keppka, JT, and Zander, in those top six spots with speed. Pretty close there at number seven. And then in the group following that, we have Reed, English, Cantlay, Berger, Finaweb, Sheffler, Co-Gracke, Horsal, Phil, and Max. Well, congrats to Colin for taking over the top spot. Yes.

That's awesome. And that makes me feel a lot better not seeing DJ on that list. Like, I have the previous six months and he being in a deep hibernation. Yeah. DJ has been an intern. I guess I want to kick this segment off just saying, like, I have concerns. I have serious concerns about this team that I think for a while there kind of felt pretty hard to screw up and I just I don't know what it is. I have

a bad feeling recently. I can't really put my finger on it quite. DJ's regression, I think speaks a lot to it and knowing he's, I don't think he can fall off the points list. Like he's going to be on the team barring injury. And for a while there, I was very concerned that he was not healthy. And I still don't know how healthy healthy is. His decrease in play not been great. Bryson's Loki not been good in 2021. And we have a, you know, we have this point system that rewards him strongly for his US Open win last fall. I think the setup is going to be great for Bryson. I think he still would make a lot of sense to be on this team as a four ball player only, I would think. But the whole chemistry thing, I think it can be overrated, but I really struggle like thinking back to, I, maybe I put

way too much weight in the interview we did with Paul McGinley last year, talking about like what he did to lead and group his players and like thinking about how our captains are talking about how Phil is a lock for the team after winning the PGA. Like, I'm just concerned. I don't have confidence right now in their ability to objectively look at this situation and come up with like, what is the best option for winning versus what they think would be a safe and popular way of pairing up their players? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I do.

I look at this list and two, three and four, like DJ DJ, Bryson, and Keppka, if you could, I would, what do you do with those guys? I know, who's everybody rallying around? Cause it's like Brooks and DJ, do they get along? Bryson and Brooks don't, right? And DJ's a loof, and they're kind of the three, I don't wanna say biggest personalities, but almost, almost feeling like most magnetic humans,

like males on the team, right? Like where, you know, almost feeling like most magnetic humans, like males on the team, right? Like where, you know, like I don't think spieths like oozing macho, right? Like he might be the most experienced or whatever, and more a collar might be the best, but I don't think that he's going to be barking out orders to guys. Right. So, and then you say like DJing and, and it can't say Brooks hasn't played well, Brooks has played really well.

So like, I'm not really worried about his game as much as like what you were saying about DJ and Bryson. But if you could honestly take those three guys off the team, and then I look at the back of this list, Sheffler, Co-Crack and Horsel, I kind of think those guys would be sweet. Sheffler played awesome in match play. Co-Crack's proven that he's, you know, he struts around. He's on in a big way. And then Horseshoe's just a psycho, right,

which would be awesome and I think super competitive and kind of like all in on just, let's go win this thing. But you can't do that, right? Because that's not how they pick the team. Well, I think it's me more excited than those, you know, two, three and four there on that list. And there might be room for all of those guys, right? I think Shephler is, I don't want to, like Shephler should be on the team, right?

He's been a extremely good golfer over the past three months. He's been a top 10 player in the world, worldwide. And Horsel just, Horsel's game, just like his, his, like, strokes gained. You can roll your eyes at that if you want. But like his golf ability doesn't rank up there. Do I think he is also capable of like catching total fire for a week and being just a complete maniac on the course and being very successful in match play?

Absolutely. But I think it would still need to coincide with some really strong golf leading up to it. Yeah. Because he had a good run at the beginning of the year. Yeah. And he's faded a little bit since match play pretty much. Yeah.

Last three months for Horseshoe, he's been 0.44 strokes gained, which is like Andy Sullivan, Brendan Todd, Danny Willett basically. And like low keys, Zow Taurus look like a lock of all locks there for a, you know, pretty good period of time there in the beginning of the year. His last three months, 0.48 strokes gained, like that's nothing. That's right there with like those guys we just mentioned, Adam Shank is 0.44.

Like that's, that's kind of where his allotaurus has been. And it's his putting that's absolutely been killing him. And, you know, that, that stack can be very volatile on a week to week basis. And he might put very well, but gosh, from, I know from the Yip that we saw at the, at the British Open, especially like that's not a real strong vibe being pushed out right now. I don't know. It's just like the momentum. I know we have more kawa. It just came out and did whatever he did at the open. It was insanely impressive. And he's been like the second best player in golf

the last three months, which is a reason to be excited. Speed gives you a reason to be excited and all that. But other than that, it just seems like the other top people up there have some baggage to them. They do. They do a big time. And so you think Sheffler should 100% be on the team over if I'm making the team my lane burger, Femal Web. Yeah.

Sheffler is a supreme, supreme talent. Well, I agree with you, but I'm surprised to hear you say that because there's some, like, I mean, I would feel like the numbers would tell you that, like, can't lay. Can't lay should be on the team too. You're on the team, right? I definitely think so. And I think honestly, Finau is opening up a spot.

Like, Finau looked like he was documented. That's a good winner. As a winner, I'm objective about this stuff. Like, he was so good this winner, but has not, you know, held up his into the deal, into this, into the summer. He's not played very good golf. His putter is ice cold and his ball striking has suffered greatly. I mean, he's around like a one, just under one stroke gain right now around guys like Higo,

Biseidenhout, Miggly Ose, Matt Wallace, Taylor Gooch, Meetup, Herrera. Like, not guys that are jumping off the page as locks of, you know, for being on some of these teams. And what do you do with like, because Harris English, he's kind of, he's on my squad. I think he's fit game fits well. I was constant. I think as of right now, he would be on my team. Yeah, I think he's English, like of those last, you know, four spot English, can't lay, Sheffler, co-crack. Last, you know, four spot English, can't lay, Sheffler, co-crack.

Like, I would, that, let's roll. Let's go. I think that's enough, enough firepower at the end of the lineup where DJ Bryson and Capco can go distract themselves. Yeah. You know, have be petty

and we probably, we'd be fine. And I get really stuck between like, are we giving guys specific roles on this team? Like, co-crack I think makes a lot of sense, but like, who is his four-sums partner? Who do you pair him up with in for how many sessions, right? I think it's English and co-crack. Too big to fail, man.

Like, just a couple of big units out there. Like, and one of them, you know, English is pretty low key and co-crack's kind of, you know, he's swaggering around. Like that feels like, I think those guys could do some damage together. I think the course would probably be real good for Jason Co-Crack. You know, you know, that's going to be a huge factor here. He hits it a mile and he has had a really, really good putting here.

That's the thing too. So we're going to need some guys. They're going to make some putts. You know, I think this thing is going to be a decent size putting contest. If the setup is as easy as I think it's probably going to be. Who would you put spieth with? JT. I think spieth is easy.

That's easy. So more Kawah, who would you put him with? That's a great question. I feel like I was going to say, Zander or Cantley makes a lot of sense. I know those two are a weird, Zander and Cantley are a weird pairing that's been pretty successful, but not anything that's like unbreakable. But that's where I just have no insight and maybe they're playing it super close to the chest

on how they want to manage all this stuff, but I have no insight into how they're thinking about anything and my instinct is not to give them benefit of the doubt. I think they're gonna like merge, they're gonna come up with this really corporate, like let's take all the options and combine, like kind of what you do with some of your shot approach.

Let's consider all these options, merge them into one bad option. They're gonna create the data lake, but they're not gonna analyze it. They're gonna have the pool of information, but they're not gonna make any sound decision from it. The one thing I do know is, Phil Mickelson should not be on this team.

Yeah, I'm with you. But then, okay, then we can have a whole other conversation about, I'm kind of love Randy's block of like, it's an exhibition. And in that case, give me read, give me co-crack, give me Phil, give me Horseshal, right? Like the biggest personalities that are dying to be there. Because that's a factor, like guys that really want to be on the team and are fiery. I think too many of those guys is bad, but it's great for us as viewers. Yeah. I still want to win this thing. I view it as a, you know, it's not, you can

that structure the whole thing very differently if it was truly just an exhibition, right? Can I make a shameless plug before we wrap up the Ryder Cup stuff? Sure. I've been working on some Ryder Cup merch, logos, hyped. Hiked? That's all I'm gonna say to the people. To clarify, it's not specific to the Ryder Cup. No, it's not.

It's not. It's a US for his European, no, no. Oh, trademark, there won't be any issues with any of that. We got about a month before things heat up, we should have some limited edition stuff in the pro shop, which I just top of mind because I've been working out this week. One more segment I want to bring up here

and I got a couple of other things to mention before we throw it over to Jose Maria Fable. This segment, of course, brought to you by our friends at Calaway, a quick look at what's in the bag segment. It's been a while since I've gone. I think the last time I went, I talked about a club that I'm actually taking out of the bag, talking about segment. It's been a while since I've gone. I think the last time I went, I talked about a club that I'm actually taking out of the bag.

Take talking about the... Driving iron's coming out. Really? I have made the change. I have decided to switch to... I'm introducing myself to Five Wood Life. I have never carried a Five Wood in my life. No joke.

Watching more cow I hit his Five Wood was very much like, oh, I think I get it now. So my thinking when I put the two iron in was like, all right, I need something. I can hit low bullet, running bullets, kind of keep it, you know, keep it between the Mayo and mustard and just like a very accurate shot. And I've lost my accuracy with that club for whatever reason. I've not hit it, you know, it's a me problem. It's not the club's fault, but it's not doing what I need it to do,

because especially, and it's also supposed to bridge that gap between four iron and three wood, and I can't hold greens with it. It's too low, I carry it really far, it goes far, but I go along with this club way too often. So I want a club that's gonna go higher up in the air and has a chance to hold greens from that like two-thirty number, because I'm struggling greatly with that number.

I have it a lot on par-fives, and I probably hit the green from that like two 30 number because I'm struggling greatly with that number. I have it a lot on par 5s and I probably hit the green from that number like two percent of the time and it's time for me to try something new. So I've got hit a little fade now. If I can hit high fade five woods, I'm sure a lot of people are screaming at their speakers and I'll say try hybrid, try hybrid.

That's probably next up for me to try after this, but I just looked at, did Trackman data with it today? And like my four iron was going to 12, my five wood was going to 230, and my three wood was 255. Like it was perfectly right in between those numbers. And I hope it holds greens, and I hope I can use it off T's

just to hit a little, accurate little bunch out there as well. And we'll see, but I'm excited to try five with this. I almost had the same splits, but with a, you were using an 18 degree. I was. And I tried that out for the utility iron and that was too much. It very much I can see it being like,

depending on the conditions and, well, if we took that, if we were going to Scotland right now or Bannon, I would put the two iron in. Like, I want to see that thing right. But the 21 degree, you would think that it's very similar to a four iron.

I hit the four iron about two-twelf on the track man a couple days ago and I hit the driving iron, the 21 degree, like two-thirty. And then three woods up, two-fifty, two-sixty. So I don't have as quite as good a split, but I really like the utility that I get. I hit a ton of punch shot. I just feel like I hit that club so flush every time. Well, it was also watching the LPGA players hit fairway woods and hold greens.

Yeah. It was very much like a dude, I never do that. I just don't hit it high enough, like, but a three wood to hold greens and the two irons is just too low. So have you hit the five wood on the range yet? I hit on the range and I've played one round of golf with it so far. And are you hitting it high?

Hit it higher, way higher. I don't know how well it's going to hold greens. I hit on the range and I've played one round of golf with it. And are you hitting high? Hit it higher, way higher. I don't know how well it's gonna hold greens. I haven't really had that number yet, but I'm excited about five wood life, and we're gonna put it to the test at Taurus Sos here.

Well, I had a, I used to play that row. Epic Flash, of course, is what I've got. The old rogue five wood, that was my favorite club for a year or two. Just always hit it solid. I needed to see the numbers. I always felt like if I would go too close to the three-wood distance and it does not,

my ball speed is way different and the launch angle is different and all that stuff. It may sound obvious, but. You know, Scott Stallings and DJ, those guys are all playing seven wood. That's what I'm saying. I almost went for the seven wood to accomplish what I'm looking for out of this.

I may explore it. The six wood might be the option. Keep your options open. There you go. Steven Dodd won the senior British open at Sunningdale. That was, I got to watch a little bit of that. Just incredible, incredible golf course. Best style golf in the world.

I cannot wait until we someday get over there and document all that those golf course some video. But just from what I got to see at a Sunningdale old that was just tremendous. And I hope to see that golf course on video. But just from what I got to see out of Sunday, the old that was just tremendous. And I hope to see that golf course in circulation and a lot more future opens of many different varieties. And then lastly, on a pretty serious note, I'd say Grayson Murray sent a tweet out on Friday

or Saturday, I forget what it was, screenshot of a lengthy notes message, detailing his difficult experiences he's had on the PGA tour to date and citing alcoholism being a, I don't know if it's a cause or effect, probably intertwined in some way of the struggles he's had out there and made some implications that he's reached out to the tour for help and they've basically offered him nothing more than we'll'll get back to you, which, you know, Phil Mikkelsen has chimed in to say anything he's brought up with them. He said, the tour has said the same thing to them.

I will get back to you and never really circled back. And it made some wavelengths. It circulated pretty heavily around, you know, golf, Twitter and whatnot and can't help but of course, anytime that there's any issue like this that pops up, the first place I go to read is Aiman Lynch at Golf Week. And he crushed it with another tremendous article. Detailing the very complicated feelings that I think a lot of people have with Grayson Murray.

He's, as Aiman said, right off the bat, he's extremely ignorant as it comes to a lot of social issues. And but two things can be true. That can be a fact, and he could also be having a major, major issue that he needs some help with. And for everything that has to be black and white on social media, this is a pretty big lightning rod,

I would say. I don't really know where to go with that. It's a tough thing to read, tough thing to react to. And I've got personal issues, I think, with Grayson to begin with. And it's hard to say, like, all right, well, maybe this helps explain some of that. I don't want to give him too much of a pass

for some of his behavior, but like, at the same time, there seems to be nothing really in place as far as he knows, or we know that is set up for the tour to help players with issues like this. Which to me is the story, especially because it's a player run organization. So how is that, like, that's what to me is like like the big disconnect.

When he reaches out to the tour, I'm wondering who is it that says, like, we'll get back to you. You know, it does, as he reached out to the advisory group, like, where does he go with that? And how could the tour get better at directing him to, you know, the right thing? But yeah, they should get better at it. They should take care of their members with support. I look at, you know, like the NFL has gotten ripped apart for, let's say, player relations, all kinds of stuff. But one thing they do provide and they, I think the last five or 10 years, they've they've done a much better job of, is just like, what are you going to do after

you play? Like, there are classes like talking to guys that used to play in the NFL that I played with in college. It's like, they are available if you go. They're not going to do it for you, but they're there. Like career progression stuff, like, how to, you know, what would you do if you didn't play football, financial planning, all that stuff? Doesn't seem like the PGA tour has any of that, let alone stuff for substance abuse or like, you know, very serious personal issues. So that's got to change.

In the tour's defense on this, when Chris Kirk, who was on our podcast last year, talked about his details he had with alcoholism and how he reached out to the tour, saying he needed to step away and he didn't know if he'd be covered under major medical and he sounded like the tour did all he needed to step away, and he didn't know if he'd be covered under major medical. And he sounded like the tour did all they could to support Chris in that and said, he basically

did get a major medical for the alcohol issues he was having, right? So it's not like the tour, I guess the other example that we have that we know of of this is that that runway was provided to one of its players. Yeah. So it's not like the tour doesn't take alcoholism seriously. You know, it's not like there's a precedent to what we know, right? So that's out there, but also, Aiman just brings up an interesting topic and I thought, the more I thought about this, the more I think it's how I don't know how long the tour

can go with its policy being that all disciplinary matters are private. When we are in this gambling era, getting more and more serious, leaning more and more into it, one, people need to have an understanding of like, so there's an alcohol related incident that Murray had that he's been on probation for the tour, right? And, and aiming floats this out there of like, if that was publicly known information, which is not, then maybe more people would be aware

of the issues that he's, the alcohol related issues he's having and would have been available to help him, right? But because it's behind closed doors, that's almost like kind of pushing that off into the corner and I don't know what that lack of transparency does other than like give up this perfectly. I know, as I go to say it, it's creating this image that PGA tour players are these corporate monsters, you know, there's icons that are infallible and it's whitewashing it really. And I know the gambling thing is very separate there, but also just like,

how is this sport going to survive without like giving you a lot of giving people a lot of information about its players? That's a good point. The Chris Kirk thing though, to go back to that for a second, it seems like he had a support system family. He established that he had a problem. He made a plan. He went to the tour and said, this one I'm going to, they supported that, which is good. But it's tough because it doesn't seem like it always works out that way with substance abuse, where nobody knows what to do, where to go, won't admit that they have a problem, you know?

I mean, the fact that Grace Merz, like speaking up and saying he feels like he has a problem, that's a step in the right direction. It's just he's doing it in a way that's kind of like confrontational with the tour instead. I mean, it's tough right direction. It's just he's doing it in a way that's kind of like confrontational with the tour instead. I mean, it's tough, man. It's tough. Yeah, like, because you want to say like,

well, let's, let's, let's put that energy into like getting me some help, right? And he does say another PGA tour didn't force me to drink, but the PGA tour never gave me help, right? So he's conscious of like, yeah, this isn't your fault, but like, hey, why isn't, I don't know. It's, it is very complicated. It, I think it, addressing the first thing here

would be like getting this guy some help, right? And it's putting aside any other issues that, you know, people may have had with them in the past that, you know, maybe again, maybe brought on himself, but maybe influenced heavily by a disease that he's fighting, right? That is extremely difficult and very real and something that no one should have to go through

and people need help to get through. So, I don't know. It's not something that I looked directly at and just like wanna scream at the tour on just cause I don't have all the information, right? And that's why I do wanna scream on though, is like, you know, this like thing, this cloud of secrecy that's existed for so long,

it's, I really don't know how you keep going. But not even that, like, let's take a look at, you know, Matthew Wolff for instance. Like, we need, like, it's also when these guys are young and they're alone and they're traveling the country and they're not playing good, is a recipe for, like, problems. Like, mental issues that they're gonna try to cope with one way or the other.

And that's what I was pointing out with the NFL. It's like it seems like they've kind of picked it up that like, okay, when these guys get in the league, we need to at least offer something for, like we need to help them when they just are now making a ton of money and they don't know what to do with it or if they get hurt and they can't play anymore, you know, et cetera, et cetera. The PGA tour should be thinking about that with, especially with the young guys, right?

And I think that's a foundation for then those guys can help the guys below them, but it doesn't feel like there's any infrastructure for that with the PGA tour. And it kind of feels like one of the things that's kind of like the more, you know, Matthew Wolf's talk about mental health, Papa talked about mental health, LPGA players. It kind of feels like the thing that's like, do we think we've uncovered all of the people out in golf that are having mental or physical issues? Not even close, right?

There has to be more, right? And then people are gonna feel more comfortable talking about it, raising awareness in hopes that they can help other people. You know, they might be going through the same thing and I'm sure Chris Kirk said, many people reach out to them. You know, they might be going through the same thing, and I'm sure Chris Kirk said, you know, many people reach out to them. You know, people that have gone through similar things,

I know Tom Watson and David Farrity had an amazing moment on the Farrity show talking about, you know, their issues with alcohol and how they were there for each other at certain times in their lives. And it is a very, a product of this individual sport that you may have these big teams around you and be very, you know, but it can feel and be and very realistically be very lonely out there. And so I don't know, interesting. It's not the right word. Sad. I

hope it, hope it, hope it. I honestly wish Grayson murder the best. Yeah. And I would love to hear the PGA tour respond at some point in a, you know, in a statement of press conference, like, we'd love to hear them announce something. You know, like, give him six months, give me a year, like, that's not something you do overnight, but like, hey, we're gonna put some, put some thought into this.

Because again, it's a player-run organization. Like, that's literally what they should be doing. It's like, that's their stakeholder right there. Like, and sometimes, unfortunately, for us as fans, right? Like, it's like, no, they're there to make the players money and make them happy. Like, that's the, that's the role. So anyway.

Yeah, not the, not the most fun note to, to leave on as we, just throw it to Jose Maria O'Fall. Jose Maria O'Fall. He's gonna tell us about golf and grease and it sounds incredible. And yeah, we're gonna be on the road next couple of weeks. We got a couple of pre-recorded podcasts that'll be out on the Tuesday nights, but good ones. Good ones. Yeah, I'm on spoiled next. This coming week with Mark Brody is excellent and he is a total menace. And the next week,

I'm really excited about that one too. So thank you everyone for tuning in. We will have an Olympics recap next week, recapping what we are able to watch while on the road. Are we announcing where we're going? It's not much of a secret. I think I put it in the newsletter email newsletter. We're going somewhere up north. It's very pure. Yeah, that's what I'll say. So I tend to worry guys send us all of your suggestions because we're yeah, we're definitely just winging it and don't have a bunch of t times in the end and playing it out. We got to do.

Neil, thank you for a lovely chat here in the Kille House. Thanks everyone for tuning in and enjoy Hozim Realthubble. Cheers. I want to clarify one thing straight out of the gate and I can't believe we're this far into your career and I don't know the answer to this, but I have always said Ola Thouble. But more and more lately, I keep hearing Elazabal. I talked to Paul Broadhurst a couple weeks ago. He said Elazabal.

Is this a Spanish thing that's hard to translate? Why do I hear two different pronunciations for your name? No, no, it's the only one. And the right one is when you emphasize on the tar, which is a TH for you, it should be olaththable. Olaththable. Okay, I think we can get there. Where did what? Is it, is it weird when people say, oh, last of all then? Well, I mean, no, it's not weird. I mean, I get used to it. I mean, I have instances where, you know, the starters on the FST don't get my name,

pronounced correctly. Actually, actually, in some cases, I mean, they said, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I went down a bit of a rabbit hole looking at the mockups for your new golf course and one it made me really mistravelled and it made me want to go to Greece. So I'm wondering if you could tell us about what you got going on there. Well, I mean, I'm really pretty proud and happy about the outcome of the whole 36 holes. I think the place is wonderful. You know, all the visits that I pay to the place have been fantastic. The food is great, the people is wonderful, they are very warm. And the golf course, the scenery is unique. I mean, you do have wonderful scenery from both golf courses. It's going to be quite demanding in the sense that we are close to the sea. Well, not extremely close to the sea,

but we are elevated like 400 meters, which is close to 700 feet roughly. But the bridge can play a big role. Or you can't be wind yet at times. But I think the golf courses in general has large greens, even though you need to be you know, in the right place of the flag to have a comfortable pad, but I think people that go there and play golf are going to have a great time. Well, I'm always curious with accomplished

professionals, you know, where you draw your architectural inspiration from. You've seen, I would venture to say almost all of the golf, great golf courses in the world at this point in your career. You know, you, you, a million different ideas you could have and how do you take it? But what, the more you play, the more courses you play, you try to take things from different designers, from different golf courses, things that you like, these things that you don't like, and you try to use all those elements, the natural elements that the land provides, obviously that's the best step.

But then, you know, it depends on what your philosophy of the game is, but at the end of the day, the more you play, you see more, as I said, you see more different things and run-offs. I mean, by instance, when I grew up here in Spain, we didn't have any run-offs around the greens, and all of a sudden as you play along as a professional around the world, you realize that those are great elements, the shape of the bankers, the�ness of the greens, the slopes, by instance, I try to avoid as much as possible

blind shots. And you realize at the end of the day, as I try to avoid as much as possible blind shots. And you realize that at the end of the day, you can just say, you go, of course, you have to make it as complete as possible where you have to hit all kinds of shots, try to use as many clubs as possible in the bag and to force the player to think and to shape the ball in different ways. I think that does pretty much make me feel when designing a golf course.

You mentioned they're growing up in Spain and playing golf in Spain. I was found the story of how you got into golf fascinating. I really enjoyed reading about it. Do you mind telling us a, I don't know, where that story starts for you, but telling us about how you got into the game? To be honest, my parents had a farm. Actually, they didn't have it, but they worked their land. A group of people came looking for a piece of land

to be seen a golf course. And that's what happened. I was born, actually, my mom put the flag on the front nine and I was going the following this somehow obviously the house was right in the middle of the golf course. I had my house surrounded by the pasty, the ninth green, the patting green and the testy. So all I had to do was walk out of my house door and you know I was surrounded by golf holds.

In those days, I have to say that not many people played. Obviously, there were people who were the ones that played the game of golf. And from Monday to Friday, virtually, there was nobody on the golf court. So I had pretty much the whole golf course for me. And that's how I started. My grandfather and my father worked as green keepers and somebody gave my father a pate. And that's how I started playing golf.

I was just on my own. I did have any other kids living in the area. So it was an ideal scenario for me to spend time. I love that story. That's a fantastic story. Your Amon or career was remarkable. We were skipping past a lot there, but you win the British boys, the British you, saying the British am. But from what I've read, it sounds like turning professional was not necessarily an easy decision for you. Why was that? And I'm guessing part of that answer is just the landscape of professional golf

probably looked a lot different than it does now. But what, did you really struggle with the decision to turn professional and what was that like? I didn't struggle with the decision. I had pretty much clear in my mind that I wanted to try to create the professional. But obviously, as you said in those days, playing professional

golf was not as attractive. Let's put it that way. As attractive as it is now. The price money was obviously very small. You didn't have any cuts from golf companies. Contracts were very difficult to find., sponsors, things like that. So my mom was a little reluctant for me to 10 professional. And she said, well, first of all, you have to think you're a study, and once you do that, at least you can try it. And that's what I did.

But as you said, in those days, 10 in professional was more of an adventure than a career. It was not easy, having a living, playing golf in those days. Well, we just did a deep dive podcast on the 1991 Ryder Cup, because I think for a lot of my generation, we didn't, I'm 34 years old. We didn't watch that live,

and that was a Ryder Cup that seemed to really change the Ryder Cup forever. And we did it just a two hour special on interviewing a lot of people for it. And I didn't get a chance to interview you for it, but I'm gonna do that now. But your name and Sevy's name are all over that Ryder Cup. And I've got a lot to ask you about it.

But what was your reaction when you saw Kiela for the first time? When we first arrived there at Kiela, it was, we were a little bit in shock, I have to say, because the golf course was barely opened. There was no proper clubhouse. There was no proper locker rooms. I remember we had like a trailer or something

like that, which was our locker room for European team. And then for spectators, by instance, there was no area where they could walk. You had like fairways, yes, a deal of rough maybe, I don't know, two, three, four yards of rough, and the race was signed, there was nothing else. I mean, I believe that during that week, I mean all the spectators had a hard time working the both course following the matches. And well, we were pretty much in shock because by then the Ryder Cup was obviously starting to be a very special event. We were surprised that the facilities were not maybe up to the level, of course, there's some showdowns that happen in that Ryder Cup, and we profiled it. We tried it as best we could to tell the story

from both sides between yourself, between Sevy, Paul Azinger, Chip Beck, and things like that. But it's funny I heard so much from Europeans, like Sevy wasn't the bad guy, it was Azinger. So I wanna have you go back to 91. I want you to give me your true thoughts as you're playing in the height of your competitive career. Your true thoughts on playing Paul Azinger

in the Ryder Cup. How badly did you want to beat that guy? Well, we wanted to beat each other badly. I mean, it's a simple regard. That's what the Ryder Cup is all about. Paul Azinger was a simple or that. That's what the writer Kapisola about. Policing it was a very tough competitor. So was Sevi. We wanted to beat the US team, especially that pairing.

But what happened, that match, I mean, it's history. But we realized halfway down the match, I think it was seven. The seven hole, I realized that I don't know if they were switching it voluntarily or intendingly, but I realized that they were switching the ball. And I made it clear to saving. And then obviously, saving was a little concerned. He, I remember him telling me, what was your saying? It's very serious. You have to be sure of that.

So we had to wait a couple more holes to check that they were using the wrong ball. And we made it official on the 9th and that's why things happened the way they did. On the 10th, the referees were there, captains were there, we were there, we had whatever it was. I don't know, 10 minute conversation and at the end of the day, because it's much play, you can only affect what happened on the last hole. So nothing happened. They used the right ball on number nine. And well, the rest is history. I mean, we somehow said, and I, who were even more determined

to give our best. And I have to say that we play extremely well on that we were really even more determined to give our best. And I have to say that we play extremely well on that back nine and manage to turn things around and win that much. But well, it was down to that, to be honest. I mean, as I said, I mean, I'm convinced. I know that they were playing the wrong ball. And that's it, the simple is that And that's just as simple as that.

But it seemed like that spilled over. And the documentation I read about it was that you and Paul ended up facing each other in the singles match as well as, you know, that afternoon you guys played each other. But it was said that you guys didn't speak a word to each other during your back and fourth singles match on that Sunday. Is that true? Well, yeah, most probably, yeah, so we didn't speak much obviously of what happened in the morning.

It's natural also, I mean, we just tried to give your best and you don't want to have any distractions of any kind and in that regard, well, we just focus on the job in hand and trying to concentrate on our shots and that was it. Well, I know Sevy was a great, great friend of yours and I'm going to ask you a question. I don't know if you may have been asked this before, but it's looking at it from a different angle. If Sevy was your opponent in a big team event, What would your, what would you have thought of Sevy? Well, I would knew that I would have my hands full trying to be the, that's what you're, you know, before you, you know, that he was going to give all his best, he was going to be tough to be regardless of how good he would strike the ball. I mean,

we could hear it all over the park and you knew at the end of the day he was going to make part or birdie from whatever parts of the golf course and in that regard you needed to be mentally prepared for that knowing that you didn't have much room to maneuver. When facing a player like Seville, you knew you were facing the biggest opponent in this case on match play or a stroke play on the go. And you're about as qualified to speak on this as anyone because, you know, for someone of my generation that didn't get to experience watching Seville play or didn't get to know him at all, what is it about him that makes people that knew him speak with such reverence? And it seems, it sticks out to me as so many Australians, European players, even American

players, well, just, I always ask people who their role model was, you know, I hear Sevy, Sevy, Sevy, Sevy from people all over the world. You know, he was a great friend of yours as we talked about, but why would you say that is? What is it about him that, you know, for a younger generation that didn't get to experience that? How would you describe that? He was the way he played the game.

I mean, he was he was curious on the golf course. He created shots. He was able to see shots. He was able to execute shots. He was able to execute shots. The rest of us were in even Dremel. He could see shots from the middle of the trees. He could see his faces where no one else would see. He could try to keep both shots that had to go within a square

foot between branches and leaves. And then try to turn the ball 30 yards or left or right and execute the shots. He would never give up. He would always, if he's best, regardless of how way he will hit the shots or or or strike the boat. At the end of the day, people knew that sooner or later in a regular 18-hole round, they were going to witness in our three, four shots or five or even more that would be work to be there to see. I see people that go and follow Sebi and said, well, it was work to go and follow you waiting for us,

just to see those two shots that you hit from the trees, or that sheep, or that bunker shot, or whatever. We had such skills, such a touch around the greens. And he's character. You know, he was very likeable. He didn't hide any emotions on the golf course. And I think that made him really attracted to people, to crowds, to fans.

No, that makes a lot of sense. And back back on the writer cup note, I'm asking you to pull here on all of your experiences, both a player and a captain. You've seen a lot of European success in your writer cup career, dating back to the 80s. And I'm sure you want that to continue. So I don't know if you're going to give me all the all the secrets here, but I really had a great time talking with Paul McGinley about the intricacies of his captaincy and the, you know, the special trips he made to meet with Victor Dubuison to talk about his pairings and all this stuff. And it just that, that those specifics really

illustrated to me how the differences and how the Europeans approached the Ryder Cup versus how the Americans have been. And there have certainly been years where the European team is the more talented side. But overall, I'd say for 30 years, the talent level is very close and something is tipping the scales to Europe having more success in the Ryder Cup. In your best estimation or in your experience, what would you say it is that tips the scales towards Europe having so much success in recent decades? It would be very difficult to me to pinpoint the reason for it, but as you said, I mean, there is not such a difference between the level of the game played by both teams.

I want to believe what I believe that for us Europeans, the rider cap means more to us than it does to the US team. That might be on it. Because of the history of the writer's tap, at least the generation of players like in the 80s and 90s, it was our only way to prove the US that we were worthy of competing against them. It's true that nowadays things have changed. All the players now that play at the Ryder Cup, European and the Americans are very familiar with each other. They compete in the state, they compete in Europe. They know each other really well.

Some of them are actually good friends. Why the Ryder Cup is each and our favorite of late. I really don't have the answer, but I think I won't I believe that it means a little bit more towards than it does to the US. Yeah, I remember Hunter Mayhan talking about 2014 Ryder Cup and how it just seemed like the European team was also having more fun. It might have been because they were winning, but it seemed like a fun atmosphere, you know, a fun promotional atmosphere instead of a fear of messing up. You know what I mean? And that seems to be that is always permeated for me through

Ryder cups and how much fun Europe is having and how it almost feels like the Americans are trying not to screw up does that does that make sense at all well I wouldn't put it out what is true is that for us the Ryder Cup is a team event we we have the experience of mingling together more often on European tool. We try to spend time together when we are on the on Golf Corner. While I think in the US most of the players do a more of an individual life outside the golf course. And here in Europe, we tried to go to the San Cortes, but at the same time, we go together to a bar

to have a beer. And we joke at each other. And we have dinner together, regardless of being from the same country or not. And we play jokes on each other. And I think that that's the atmosphere that we have usually at the Ryder Cup camp, we try to have fun while we are competing against the bet. Well, on more recent note, how much of a thrill was it for you to make the cut at the masters this year?

And was that anything that you could have predicted? No, I didn't predict it because I had missed the cut seven years in a row. So I was thrilled. I have to say that I was extremely happy to play for days at Augusta and what I was really, really happy to be on that. It's true that this time the golf course was playing hard and fast more to the way we used to play in the 90s and early 2000s. So I think that helped me a little bit because I didn't have, well I still had long clubs on to the green, but at least I could read the part for you too. But yeah, I was I was thrilled that I could trade for Asia. It was it was a great achievement. It looked like you were having a lot of fun out there with that one, but one

other thing I probably should have worked this in when we were talking earlier about your earlier career, but I read something about you where you talked about seeing your swing on video for the first time and how it maybe looked different than you thought it looked. I'm wondering if you could tell us kind of what in this era where video is so prevalent and you can get immediate feedback on any swing you ever make. What was it like when video came into golf and how did you react when you saw your swing

for the first time? I've seen you've done your homework really well. Listen, it's true. I mean, my first year on tour was on European tour was eight weeks. I played the, in the meantime, I played the world much play at one work. You know, it was the first time that I saw my swing

on field. Well, I was, I have to say I was really disappointed. Being 100% honest, I was really disappointed. I thought obviously I'd look at other strings in those days, uh, Wusnam, uh, Teddy Langell, and so on, uh, and, and you think me okay, well, it might not be the same, but it be just something similar to that and that's the idea you have for your swing when I saw it the first time around I was really disappointed so nowadays I mean it's a different story well obviously it's been there for quite a few years now but as you said nowadays you have instant information.

You have, you can tape your things from all different angles. You can have a slow motion, you can have so much information with track man devices or files, that. So now what happens nowadays is that every player is more knowledgeable of the technique of the swing, what is wide, what is wrong, that brings or makes the new generations better prepare by the time they get to the PGA tool. And that's why we see so many good players at an early age. And at the same time, the differences between top players and not so top players being very, very small. Not nowadays, when you look at the leader after two rounds on the card,

sometimes he's six-ten and short, so you make the card and you can still win the game at the weekend, that's why he's making the card. The differences are very, very similarities. I mean, they are so well prepared because of all the information and the knowledge we do have today about the swing, the technique that is a nation. I just found it especially interesting that you know, you're talking about all the knowledge that you get from it, but the knowledge actually hurt you a little bit

and that you didn't like your swing. And it made you want to chase some things. I felt that somewhat ironic. No, no, I mean, it's true that sometimes in my head you have to look at this sport as a long road. Sure. I mean, you have to look to the future, not so much, you know, to today. And I think if making those changes, obviously, it can

cost you. But at the same time, if you do it properly, and you take the right path, it's going to make you a better player in the long run. And I think that that's the key. Well, I know we got to let you go here soon. And I asked you about 91 Ryder Cup, which was, you know, of course, a US victory. So of course, I've got to even the scales and ask you a little bit more about 2012 specifically. In 2012 on that Saturday, the score was 10 to 4. Europe wins the last two matches on Saturday to make it 10-6 going into the night, which

is the only one team ever has come back from 10-6. That was the 99 US team at Brookline. Was it easy to get the team to believe going into Saturday night did the fact that you won the last two matches, and knowing that someone had done it before, was it relatively easy to get the team to believe that they could pull it off the next day? Well, it has to be totally honest

and what happened that afternoon, it was crucial. But not just what happened, but the way it happened. You know, the run of values that Paul has to do to win the point, the way he celebrated turning and looking around the team. And I think that transpires in such a way that when we had that meeting on Saturday night, when I looked at the players in the rise, you could see the spark of self-belief, the termination that it was doable,

that things had changed for us, and that we could actually turn things around on Sunday. It was not all that difficult. I could sense, and I think the whole team had that feeling, that he thinks had changed, maybe leaves, that he was doable. Yeah, as long as the odds were overnight, I think, yeah, they were, they were still really long with only a few holes to play. And so many of the matches, if I remember right, something along the lines

of in five of the key matches, the Europeans won the 17th and 18th holes like nine out of 10 times or something like that. It's really a painful thing as an American fan to relive, that's for sure. Well, it is, but it is true. I mean, we somehow we managed to win those crucial holes at the end of the round, but he was in a way that it was very also very hard

to imagine or believe. You know, when you look like a match, the match like feel against Justin, when you see that chip on 17, I mean, it feel made that shape and it looked like it was in all the way. And at the very last minute, the ball just drifted away from the hole. And on top of that, I mean, Justin Rose makes a huge loan, but, you know, to win the hole and then bear this 18 to 18. So, I mean, it's very hard to find a reason why everything went our way on that Sunday, but that's what happened. All right, we'll let you go here. Thank you so much for spending some time with us, and we look forward to... Again, like I said, you're making me want to travel to Greece, so I look forward to seeing your new 36 holes out there. And thanks so much for spending the time, and hope that we get to do it again sometime. Okay, perfect. Please, and as I said, you have a chance to what degrees I think is going to be worth it.

I would have to agree with you. So all right, cheers. Thanks so much, Jose Maria. Okay. Give it a right club. Feed a right club today. Yes. That is better than most.

How about him? That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.