No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 470: BMW Championship Recap

Episode Date: August 30, 2021

Patrick Cantlay beats Bryson in a six hole playoff in Baltimore to win the BMW Championship. Tron and Soly recap their week on the ground at Caves Valley, the energy around Bryson, Cantlay's stock after his third win on Tour this year, and a ton more. Plus a look ahead to the Tour Championship and the Solheim Cup and a special announcement about a new content partnership for NLU.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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just talk about our experience out there at the course, but I didn't, I wasn't sure we'd get an exciting finish, but I think it's safe to say we got an exciting finish. Yes, I'm glad we came back to the hotel instead of staying at the course because there's no way to track that in person. Well, especially if they're switching playoff holes and like it just, hey, Akash, we've given coverage a lot of grief, but like they manage drama really well when it's right there in front of them and it delivered.

Zinger was, I believe, I believe at one point he was quoting a bunch of feel these nipples, Greg. It was just, oh God, it was a just, it was, the playoff was so funny. It wasn't the best golf, the playoff itself. Well, it was, it wasn't the best golf on like the macro sense, but like micro wise, like when, you know, Bryce and Rince's is drive, was that the third or fourth playoff? I truly have lost track. Yeah. And then, you know, but then he gets up and down from, from there after, you know, Bryce and Rince's drive was at the third or fourth playoff. I truly have lost track. Yeah. And then, you know, but then he gets up and down from from there after,

you know, I don't know if the drop was whatever we can talk about drop. Tank, Ken's get all sorts of run. When I can't really put it inside of him on the on the par three, that was that was that was the that was the highlight. That was maybe one of the highlights of the year. I mean, it felt like one of those true like rare nights when the non golf people I follow on Twitter were like laughing about it like involved in it and like there wasn't a lot of other sports It going up against tonight as far as I was concerned or far as far as I know and it felt like you know

That's the reason why you get the playoffs out of the NFL season That's why they bumped up this season like otherwise you're going up against a Sunday night NFL and nobody would have seen that. I don't have no idea what the ratings will look like, but it, you know, for all the shit we've given the tour, like, we commended them when they moved up the schedule to get out of NFL and like, they got their big pay off tonight. You know, I haven't checked in on Paralympics Twitter because I think that was going to be a tough scene.

That was the best tournament since Riviera, in my opinion. The best Sunday. The best Sunday. Yes. Because I mean, all day, it was great all day, even before the playoff. Watching Sergio dump a couple in the bunker, like leaving them in the bunker, or that 16th hole was playing great. I don't know.

I was kind of going into it like you thinking, all right, like we're going to have, you know, either that I was kind of going into it like you think and all right like we're gonna have Yeah, you know either that like there's gonna be a massive runaway here or it's gonna be a slog to the finish and it was neither I think there was a point to be made that Bryson kind of had something Otis a little bit on back nines right after the US open and after the back night at the St. Jude You know, he missed out on the Olympics and it had you know It just hadn't really been able to make it last 72 holes. Obviously he's had an incredible season.

And we have been, you know, pretty adamant that yes, we have, I regretting nothing in this category, but yes, we've made our fair share of Bryson jokes, but we are, like, full sign off on his approach towards the game as far as how it works, you know, the strategy of it and how it's like the rewards he's gotten out of it. And it was honestly good. It's so weird. Like I do not like anything about Bryson, but I don't root against him on the golf course.

Well, you were saying it earlier, like he's probably the most important golfer, or he is the most important golfer in the world right now. And you said the cat, but I was like, I don't know if the cat is still a golfer. But yeah, right now, I mean, there's a case to be made for spieth and Rory, probably in terms of like,

if those guys aren't moving it outside of golf. They're not polarizing. Yeah, and they're not needed. We talked about it the last year, year and a half. Like we needed a villain and Bryson has filled that role very admirably. He has, there's a whole lot to, you know, talk about. I'm just receiving word that can't lay

shot 66 66s weekend. But to win one. It was also like a part 60. Yeah. Did everybody in the field finish under par? They did. Everyone finished under par, even Phil Michelson and Kevin Kessner, who finished at one under par, likely US captains picks, as I've heard on repeat here, both on this podcast, don't on Twitter for the last several weeks. But can't lay cards the greatest putting week in the history of stroke, skein putting like I don't it was amazing. He led the field on Thursday led the field on Friday

and was second in the field on Sunday. It's it's insane. Like we see hot putting rounds. You do not see with literally never seen somebody sustain putting that well for that long. When did Schrokes gain start? Like 2003 or 2004, so I'm not that. It includes some cat ears in there. Massive sample size. Yes, that's enormous sample size. Every golfer for every tournament since 2003,

no one has putted beating the odds on putts more than Patrick County. He gained 16.4 shots on the greens this week. I mean, in some point, it's not that he was just doing it throughout the week. I think he made what, 45 feet of puts that he had to have the last few holes of regulation there. Like that was insane.

And they were all over that. That's what, I don't know, like NBC, we've had many, many, many, many beefs, but like they, when the drama's good, they deliver better than anyone. I've always over that. That's what, I don't know, like NBC, we've had many, many, many, many beefs, but like they, when the drama's good, they deliver better than anyone. I've always said that. They have a lot of cameras in the right spots on the last couple of holes. Ready to do slow-mo's and ready to hit those dramatic moments.

They crushed that part when Ram won the US Open, and I don't know, that was just, very, very rarely does my heart get amped up. My whoop live today for watching that golf. If it didn't die today, would have been pretty interesting, because that's as excited as I've gotten watching golf this year. That was kind of a,

that was the true stadium golf there too. I mean, the bill out like on 17 and 18 was like a Colosseum up there. And it certainly helps to have a majestic waterfall like that. That was the highlight of the week for me. It was seeing the waterfall and the stream running all the way down. They should have sent them down in tubes all the way down back, you know, back to the tea on the playoff.

Just let them tube down the on the lazy river. Yeah. Actually, it took like the sixth playoff hole for me to realize, you know what? The waterfall actually does is actually hammer home how down how uphill that shot is, right? Yeah, it does provide some context because we went. We watched on, you know, the first couple of days actually hammer home how uphill that shot is, right? It does provide some contact. Cause we went, we watched on, you know, the first couple of days or watch replays the first couple of days and then went out Saturday

and was like, holy shit, this 18th hole was way uphill. And, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna talk about case valley and, you know, it was amazing how easy it looked watching those guys play it. And then you're out there on person. It's like, yeah, it doesn't look like does not look like a place that we could go tear up or anyone could go tear up. It's just like the prototypical pro golfer.

It's a very severe piece of property. Extreme place. Kind of remind me of Quill Hollow a little bit, but if Quill Hollow was on the side of a mountain. Yeah, like some of the places where they had to build out the hospitality and all that stuff was like, how did you even kind of fit this in there? Well, it switched the nines too. They had to, you know, and all that stuff. I was like, how did you even kind of fit this in there? Well, it switched the nines too.

They had to, you know, and, but yeah, I mean, people shout out to Baltimore and just Maryland, DC area, and generally, people were like coming out and droves for it. It was so hot. It sucked. And so you know, and there was a little bit of wind yesterday and today or a little bit of cloud cover too. But Thursday, Friday, it was like, it was oppressive. And there was there was a genuine genuine buzz out there.

Yeah, well we were out there and just when Bryson and Rom and their and Cantlay's group came through, it was just like I hadn't been to that in person in a very, very long time and seen that kind of kind of buzz and it just like I guess let's get into some Bryson stuff. I promise we'll talk some Cantlay as well. But the energy around Bryson was very, it was palpable, it was real, and it was just like filled with like almost like a murmur,

right? It was, you know, a little bit of heckling and some cheering, but it just was this genuine, like almost no one felt nothing while watching him. Yeah, it makes you feel something. Yes. One way or another, you're not gonna be down the middle of them. But there was plenty of cheering him on, which kind of not surprised me,

but it was just noteworthy to me. Like people yelling for him and supporting him, and he was really good at nodding to them and waving, but also when he hit it in the water on Saturday, on 13, the roar that came from that crowd, it was like, I mean, it was kind of like a Ryder Cup roar. It's not necessarily cheering when it went in the water, but just like, oh shit,

it's in the water, like kind of rooting for it, kind of like, I don't know, it was, it was like when you see a big hit in a football game. Yeah, and like somebody gets completely knocked out. And it was a specific reaction to him. Like if Candle hit set in the water, that does not happen. If Rom hits that in the water.

It's more of a gasp or a, you know, oh, instead of a, oh. Honestly reminded me a little bit of like the, the scream reaction, like when Tiger started stuffing shots at Bel Rive in 18, like the initial like, oh, that, granted those are cheers, but like, I don't know.

It was, it was different. And if you, but I don't know. It was different. And if you can't tell, we're kind of buzzing a little bit, just from actually going to a tour event person. It's so hard to really translate that energy to TV. The afternoon really did it, but I don't know how well on Saturday it really did, but it was just like a, it's always just a good reminder to see the shot, see the shot shape, see the scale of which they're playing over and be reminded of the insane talent they have.

Cause 28 under par is fucking well 27 under par is what we Bryson shot 60 and didn't win. That's 68 60 67 66. He played 90 consecutive holes three straight nine or sorry three straight nine's 27 holes in 90 strokes 1800 par 29 31 30 like and those are par 36's that aren't like gimme's like I can't fathom it man and I know they played lift clean and place you know that in round two they did not over the weekend and I was thinking about the 59 I think there's only only

guide burgers was lift clean in place. I asked Jay Ray to look up which one it was and that is. How many were on par 72? That's what I was gonna say though. There's not very many 13 unders. I think DuVolves was on a par 72, right? It was and that was final round to win. That was like, the dome golf, but still, it's, you know.

I still think Furex 59 is the best, it's better than even his 58, because it was a day like the win blue in Chicago and no one else. He beat the field average. The beat the next guy by like six or seven and field average was like even par and he shot. I think it was the 1259.

But I mean, just what are your thoughts on kind of the, let's, let's, let's, before we get to kind of the stadium golf and the true birdie fest, how's Randy's can't, no can't lay on the Ryder Cup team to take this into the... You know what, I think Randy's gonna triple down on it. Of course he will, we know that. No, I mean, it's, you know, I think he answered any, like the excitement is below the surface, right?

You have to kinda dig deeper a little bit, or it's a little bit of like a Brooks thing when like Brooks majors versus Brooks in, you know, playing the waist management open. Like nobody, like, you're not going to get the same feeling in non majors. And I think that's kind of can't lay. It's like, you're not like, it doesn't translate in a regular PGA tour event on a Thursday or a Saturday or whatever.

He's not going to make you feel something. But like coming down the stretch, like he just let his clubs do the talking. And I do think that there's something to be said for, like Bryce and Sam something to him about walking, like legitimately pissed him off. It had to have. And Singer was kind of hammering again, maybe a bit too much,

but like those dudes were not chatting with each other. I don't think there was a single word exchanged and like was it six hole playoff or seven hole playoffs? Like something like that. Yeah, I don't think there was any conversation whatsoever. It was a quick handshake at the end too. It was not like it was not friendly. The only thing that I had caught or that anyone caught, the people out there following it

are probably relating some of that information back as well. Like, yeah, that probably was, but in Bryson's defense on that, if can't lay, he's well within his right. Yeah, I don't have a problem with that. I have no problem with him doing that. If can't lay's walking while he's in a shot, but it's just one of those things that can't lay,

can use it as fuel, as fire, even if it's not a slight, you can take it as a slight and use it to your advantage. It's like the Michael Jordan. It's pretty much what it was. That's all I had to do for him to do that for me to take that personally. But, can't lay this is his fifth win, third this season.

He won the Zozo in October. He won the Memorial. And now he moves to number one. The FedEx Cup takes the lead into the Torch Championship. He also won the Memorial in 2019. I don't know what more people need to see out of him. He has a ton of other top finishes to Support the wins that he's put in on the on the card. Like I think you send him out there. I

Mean, it's obviously going to depend on how he plays like day one, but you schedule him for two matches that first day and probably If he can go again another 36 Whistling is going to be a tough place to play 36 back to back days. I have a feeling yeah In the US team you guys teams deep enough that they can probably schedule plan to have everyone sit at least one session, but he should play a minimum of four matches. I give Kaley a lot of credit too. Like that was a beast of a walk this week.

And it was so hot and so humid and, you know, he's played, like played last week in heat and everything. And it's like, that's, you know, that's a pretty like for his back and for his kind of like physical condition. Like, that's a pretty substantial physical test for him. 100%. And then East Lake will be next week too.

I'm sure it's going to be even steamy or down there. Yeah. I mean, for those that haven't listened to, we had a, we had currently on the podcast last April. I think it was. And he, he detailed a lot of what he has to go through to get his back limbered up and what he dealt with for three years basically when he kind of, I mean, I wonder if we'd view Cantler's career differently if he didn't almost

sit out basically like three years. Like if people kind of forgot about him, he became like a post-hype sleeper. We're talking about him now as a five time tour winner at the age of 29 while missing like three years essentially. You know what? This is a weird, this is a weird like pole here, but kind of reminds me of Ryan Tannahill. Like came out like college. You are, you are correct. That is a weird pole. At a very like, you know, first-rounderer big things expected from him immense physical tools and you know pretty smart guy and then kind of gets hurt doesn't end up panning out at first and then sticks with it and now he's a you know he's probably a top

third of the you know he's a top 12 quarterback in the NFL right. I got I got even bigger reach if you want to bear with me here. I'm like, you finished your sip of your drink, just make sure you don't spit it out. You might be Mike Vic, because he also might be running a secret dogfighting ring that we don't know about and going away for a few years and coming back and having a post like Renaissance, I go and out shooting 60 as an am coming out in the NFL and tearing it up for a little while, going away for a little while and coming back. But Vic was the dude before the dog fight. We don't need to break this down very closely here, but he was like the best amateur in the world.

He was like the next big thing. Yeah. Other than John Peterson. I mean, shit, shooting, what did you shoot at? Yeah, right. Yeah. I love that one go. But what did you shoot at Hartford?

60. 60, isn't amateur. Yeah shooting at Hartford? 60. 60, is it amateur? Yeah. You fucking serious? Yeah. That's insane. He's a total just like prototype talent, or I don't know if prototypes are, stereotypical

talent, right? Of just does everything good. Nothing fantastic. Obviously he put it out of his mind this week, but just like, I know people are probably a little over the strokes game stuff, but like a strokes game machine, which gets what that means. That just means you're good at golf. Like that's what we're measuring here.

That's what we're measuring here. They're starting to become like a little pushback on some of these quote unquote analytics. It's like, it's not even analytics. It's just literally measuring how good you are, getting the ball and all. So that's just confirming what you see with your eyes, right? Or kind of like, like, confirming it.

Either confirming, like, this was just clearly like, oh, it seemed like he made a short load of putts. Yes. Guess what he did. Yes. Well, and it's not even like the different categories as much as it is. Just like, hey, how often are you like beating the field average, right? I mean, there's a measure to that.

It's not, and when we get into this Ryder Cup talk and all that, I just will be adamant that it's like, you don't just like Cherry pick the best weeks to prove that somebody is a great player, weekend, week out, and you need reliable people that are constantly there. You need John Rom, I know he's the number one player in the world, but that dude's just always there.

He does not bottom out, He does not miss cuts. And that has value more than guys at rack up necessarily a ton of wins. And that's not how the sport is treated on a week to week basis. And I understand all that. But like can't lay like seeing these dudes that are just going to be machines like that start to rack up these wins feels very validating for those that are believers in the system. He's got kind of a weird maybe it's's just this season, because last year I don't think he missed like, like 2019 and 2020.

He really didn't miss like any cuts. Okay, I know. At all. Yeah, but this year he's kind of, he's been more strikes and gutters. Like, obviously the Zozo at the end of last year, Masters T17 last year, and then solo second at the Amax T3 at Pebble, but then Mysticut at the players, which you'd think that's like pretty premium course for him. Everyone throws in a random MC, just like throw you off. But then Mysticut at the Masters, and then kind of surprises me that he plays Heritage. Mysticut at Heritage, like three MCs in a row.

Mysticut at Heritage, Mysticut at Wells Fargo, and then through in a me to be place heritage, missed the cut at heritage, like three MCs in a row, missed the cut at heritage, missed the cut at Wells Fargo, and then threw in a miss cut at the open championship, present in her majesty, the queen. You're always gonna miss that many. This year too. No, I mean, it's just like, it's tough to, like just seeing him go toe to toe with Bryson, and while he's hitting, I think Hicks or Zinger said it towards the end of the broadcast like when he's hitting

Six irons and degrees and while Bryson's hitting wedge like That's like very very very hard to do it psychologically It took literally the greatest putting week in the history of Stroke's gain putting since we've measured putting the greatest week just to tie Bryson over 72 holes. For him to get up and down, I think for me the biggest moment of the day was when he got up and down on 17 in regulation. Like that was insane.

Hand up. I called it. I said it was over. Which like, come on. We all thought it was over. I think Porter did the Vince Carter jet. Of course he did. Which, you know, you can't abuse that I mean Bryson like like like Bryson abused his

Be good or oh yeah, you got so you are if I may say you've had a couple misses in the last couple years Maybe I'm I'm remember it's a one or two Yeah, but you are one of the best at and you know I don't like giving you credit at the pre apex on the on the Iron Shred Ophicle. Like almost during contact. Oh, be good. And Bryson blew it. And that was the whole that can't only made the bomb birdie that said, oh, yeah, don't, can you stop walking Patrick?

And then Bryson had, like, it's just weird when you see him. Sergio did it too. Like, when, I think Bryson was in like six iron into 16. What was that? And you know, it comes up like 30, you know, 30 yard short. And granted, it's like pretty uphill, train and everything. And everything.

Yeah, but like, and like Sergio did the same thing with a three wood or a five wood. And was like, go, go, go. And you're expecting it to like land in the front bunker or something and it lands. Way short. You know, 30 yard short and then he hits a nasty nasty pitch up there but um but yeah let's talk Bryson shipping let's get to that in one second of course our

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Does he have the Chippin' Gifts or is he just not very good at Chippin? Like I think I feel like that's been the thing for quite some time. And we've said this back in... It's probably like, well, I mean, he's also like chippin' with a mass, like a heavy seven iron length, or six iron length, you know, wedge, right? Yeah, and I don't know why he has decided to not, like that doesn't seem like a club that has to be the golf machine swing with, right?

Like, I feel like something with some touch, a shorter lob wedge or whatever it would be, would make a lot of sense. That's like a different technique. I mean, like, like, when I struggle or like, when I play on Bermuda, I have a, I carry a lefty wedge in my bag. And like, I need more clubs than Bryson needs. Like he, he probably, you know, he can,

he doesn't need a three wood or he doesn't, you know, like there's certain stuff that he can do with his bag that, you know, like I'm not capable of, right? And like, you would think with Bryson, it's like, you would, you would just put something in, you're not gonna hit any full shots with it, but it would be a regular ass of, right? And like, you would think with Bryson, it's like, you would just put something in, you're not gonna hit any full shots with it, but it would be a regular ass wedge, right? You would think so, yeah.

And I mean, I don't think the big takeaway from this week is, you know, the, I don't think that's the biggest necessarily takeaway from Bryson. I think it was just like, you know what, he did this thing where he decided he was gonna become a really good putter and he is and drive it way further than anyone. They flashed a stat today that his average swing speed this year, 132.5 miles an hour. I immediately looked at you and said, that's bullshit. That's wrong. And I went to go look up the stat

and sure enough, it was right. Almost four is over five miles an hour faster than any other player on tour. And that's average swing speed and faster over four mile an hour faster than any other player on tour and that's average swing speed and faster over four mile an hour faster than any average swing speed in the history since they've measured the stat since 2007. That's that yeah, you know how hard it is to get four mile an hour faster than the fastest ever. Yeah, I mean, I we've known that this is no, I don't. I don't even have any concept of what's swinging above 100. You know, I'm the I'm even know what I swing at, right?

Probably 100. You probably are. 100? High 100, like 108109, probably. Yeah. And so to be, he went from like 117 to 132. That's crazy. That's like, yeah, you go on like way past Neil's swing speed.

Like Zinger kept saying that, you know, in order to gain control, you have to lose control. Like he said that a couple of times this week. And I thought that was interesting. Where he's totally, it is totally fearless. Like, you know, of course like that. To play golf, yeah, exactly. But that goes back to, like we'll talk about the setup,

and how like the, you know, they're trying to challenge these guys in the worst way. I mean, Kay's Valley spent what, 10, $12 million renovating this place in preparation for this. And the guy's like, you know, hard on the verge of breaking, scoring records. Yeah. But interesting thing on the weekend,

nobody in the top 10 shot below 65, but nobody in the top 10 shot over 71. It was just like kind of middleed in, you know, right in 65 to 68 range. I think some of that has to do with not doing lift cleaning place for the weekend. Yeah. Pins got a little more difficult. The balls were bouncing a little bit more on the green as the week went along. I think they early parts of this week with how much heat and humidity there was going

to be and I'm not a bent grass expert but as soon as we landed in Baltimore as of Wednesday, everyone was almost like a polygetic for like some of the golf course we were going to play like just the nature of the beast. You are during the worst possible time you could be here. Yeah, there's not much you can really do on this in this area. I think that's going to be an interesting thing. Like, I grew up in Atlanta and you know, played a lot of my golf in like the late 90s, early 2000s in Atlanta, and then I left for college in like oh for and every course was bent and then Atlanta athletic club put champion Bermuda in And within like three or four years every club went to champion Bermuda and they were

Saving like four or five hundred thousand dollars a year. There's some electricity costs for not having the fans Yeah, and I imagine like that's to keep creeping up the Eastern Seaboard because you got a so-com to keep them alive. And you can't stress them too much with cutting them too close or anything this time of year. And it's just a fact of life where it's like, that's the thing that stinks about the tour schedule. And I get it because you got to stick with history

and keep the West Coast swing where it is. But they seem to play everywhere at the worst time of the year for that place. There aren't a lot of great places to play in August in the US unless you go Pacific Northwest or way northeast, right? And even then you can get some hot humid days up there. But that's the exception in a Boston or somewhere like that, rather than the rule, or yeah, going out in the way west. And you can get lucky.

I mean, last year, this, you know, it was maybe a little later, I forget what time of a year it was, Olympia Fields was. I think it was actually the same week last year. And it got was fast firm and it was a different, just, they didn't have the rain leading up like this place had and whatnot. But it just, it just put on like full display of like, view don't have firm greens. You can't end no end.

You can't challenge these players. Yeah, rough does not matter. I mean, they're wide fairways. And it's just so interesting too, where like this is, like I give the Caves Valley people a ton of credit because they've wrapped the shit out of their club. I've never seen, and it's the second, third, fourth, fifth club for a lot of these people. But you see the logo, like, it is, you know, they, they've

wrapped the hell out of the club. But, you know, it, like, they, they, they, they, they spend all this money. And then like, it's one week, right? And like, and then it's still not challenging these guys. And, and it's like, unless you have firm greens, there's, there's literally nothing you can do. Nothing. Yeah. And that's almost kind of where I was like, lawns-of-morning gif of like narrow fairways, kind of this week, it's like the web citizen, kind of would have made a little more sense, probably, because I mean, I've never seen Bryson be able to swing driver with that much confidence and not be able to watch it.

Without impunity. Yeah. And the kind of the worst kind of with impunity, without impunity. Without I think. Yeah. You're supposed to be the words, man. But with the worst thing in golf being the courses where hitting it harder makes is less risky. Like hitting it past all the hazards is less risky.

You can blow it and Zinger was all over this too. Great way for Zinger, by the way. On 16, he's like, he gets up on that T-Box. He doesn't have to think about that right bunker. He's going to swing hard and he has that advantage over Cantler here. And it's like, yeah, we watched that exactly that thing play out, which like from a stroke's gain perspective, like seeing price and be, he was what second overall in stroke's gain T-degree. Yes.

And he lost strokes approach. Approach. Like that's just that's modern golf right there, right? Yeah, pretty much is. And it's still like a hard thing that I definitely know I don't properly ever explain it on this podcast of like just understanding the impact of distance and golf but it is a driving and putting contest when you have anything that looks like this golf course. And listen, was it, did it give us like

one of the greatest finishes of the year? Yes, I think that you don't need a difficulty And listen, was it, did it give us like one of the greatest finishes of the year? Yes. I think that you don't need a difficult, interesting, challenging golf course to give you a great finish. It's like Bell Reve gave us a great, you know, great Sunday, right? Yeah. But for a Sunday, which is a ton of what Pro Golf is about, is just some excitement on Sunday, right?

It's kind of WWE. They could do a lot better at delivering on the WWE front, but it's just a stage, right? I mean, you go to that, there's a reason they go to that golf course, which is seeing all the infrastructure in the space they have for the beer gardens and the hospitality and all that stuff. It's a very real thing, right? So they give them that stage. And yeah, if Candy would have won by five today, it would have been one of the great

snooze fest of all time. But we had two guys hit their peak at the same time, which is kind of blind luck. So, you know what I mean? Caves does not necessarily get credit for that, but you might get that out of it. Well, it's not blind luck, it's just probability. Where like, if the top 70 guys are playing,

you're gonna get two or three of the top guys. Like, you know, Rory, if he plays better on Friday, like he's right there in the mix. I mean, he's just five shots back, but he shoots 70 on Friday. But I think an interesting, like the golf courses that we really love to watch golf on, that gets you tuned in Thursday through Saturday.

That's the substance, and then Sunday's the sizzle, right? And so like, by the time a lot of people are tuning in, we, you know, some of the people that watch more day through Saturday. That's the substance. And then Sunday's the sizzle. Yeah. And so by the time a lot of people are tuning in, we, some of the people that watch more of the tournament are kind of maybe a little bored with watching balls just stick and plug. It's not that interesting just to see where a guy lands. Like Shane Lowry had some comments today that he just said,

like, yeah, this is not, you know, you got to make a few putts. You still got to hit the shots, but like at some point, it's just, you know, you got to make a few pots. You still got to hit the shots, but like, at some point, it's just, you know, so kind of talked himself out of his take by the end of the time he got to. I feel like all of them are so scared to actually go on record with anything like, you know,

I'm not, and then like Rory's trying to talk about the entertainment product of everything and all that, but like, like, Sundays are an entertainment product, but you got to have some substance Thursday through Saturday. And this has been DJ's. Otherwise, it's just like just tune out for two or three days and then tune in on Sunday afternoon. Shane's quote, this is Brendan Porath,

we did this, he says, look, I just think this golf course is pretty straightforward, it's pretty easy. There's a lot of birdy chances. Quite a frustrating golf course. To be honest, I don't really like golf courses like this, 21 underleading after three rounds. It's quite hard to get yourself going. You feel like you're playing nine holes

and even par, you just feel like you're reversing down the leaderboard, which you are. It's just one of those courses where you need to do everything pretty solid and hole a lot of putts. And by the time you got to the end, I was kinda like, it's like, yeah, that's kind of weird. That's kind of cool.

But yeah, Rory's had the comment of like, the tour is not a test, you know, it's an entertainment product and I just don't think they could have done a ton more with the setup. It's not like to put the pins in funnels the whole week and move tees up or anything like that. It's just, it's just like not that difficult of a golf course for these guys. But yeah, it would be for all of us. I almost feel like if you make it shorter in certain spots, it actually makes it harder off the tee because it's like there's, it's just going to be more awkward. Yeah. Like you're going to be flying some of these bunkers by so far and some of the fairways do narrow up a little bit, you know, 18. Like if you move that up a little bit and that narrows up and it brings the creek even,

or you know, the, the, the, the great Faws River even more into play. Which by the way, the fact that KH League got relief from the TIO after hitting it off the rock bed. Yeah. And he's like, you know, he's like in the hazard and he still gets TIO. That was the crazy. That was the Schuster brother like Opus right there. I want to hit it into a Faws manufactured creek into TIO relief, it got the relief almost from a hazard. The only thing that could have been better is if you get the relief and then instead of leaving it

in the hazard basically, he blades it over the green, banks it off of the grandstand back onto the green, right? No, it's like our dad built a little waterfall when we were growing up. He build a waterfall when we were growing up. Like he just, he loves our back, he loved the backyard when we were growing up. And he built a, he bought a John Deere, rented a like a baby bobcat and built this waterfall. And it was like 40 or 50 feet long.

And it was very, it's very small scale interpretation of that one with just very, you know, there's every 10 feet or so. There's like a little eddy or a little set of rapids or whatever, it's the Foss man. Well, the wrapping up this, Josh Clark O6 asked, do golf courses actually matter? And to that, I'd say like in the short term, probably not, like you could get a great entertaining finish

on a golf course that is not, you know, a staple golf course, but I, you know, a staple golf course. But I think, I think we kind of answered it, you know, or what our answer would be is like, yeah, in getting there is part of the journey, right? And if you want to entertain people on TV for, you know, longer period of time, having more interest in golf probably fits the bill. But at the same time, a lot of people that go to golf tournaments just want to have a view of the golfers and like don't care about the architecture one bit. So it's hard to like, it's hard to say, right? I mean, the tour is there to

back to Roy's take, right? It's an entertainment product and it's not necessarily about the golf and then they do a really poor god of leaning into that. But also, it's like at some point, like you just gotta give credit to the players. Like they're, oh, they're really fucking good. They're so freaking good and it is good to have a week every now and then that just like shows that off of, they just did something to this golf course. I'm guarantee everyone that's a member there kind of thought like, these guys won't tear our golf course up and 27 under one and it could have been lower. Like Bryson kind of cooled off a little bit at a certain point.

But I don't know, does this change anything about Bryson or does this change anything you think? No, I mean, I hate the guy. Personally, I think he's a complete fucking moron. And all the like, he's even more of a showman than a scientist. Like, he's not a scientist. Yeah, exactly. And it's like, I think he's, you know, like, people are always saying, God, you gotta

worry off the hook for Throne as Club there. Or whatever, I'm like, I don't know. I wouldn't get on Bryson for necessarily throwing his club. It's when he does stuff that's just like, when he, when he'll rifle one and he knows it's going into the crowd and he, and he just doesn't even signal, he just says, like he just turns away from it and acts like, yeah, like that was part of the plan. Like that's when I get upset. But I think with him, it's I gotta take my hat off man.

Like he he fought really really hard today. He missed a lot of parts to the left which you know I'm sure he'll recalibrate whatever he needs to. I laugh every time I see him putt. It's the best. You know his puttingt stands is just absolutely outrageous. But you know, I give the guy a shitload of credit. He's turned a very, very bad weakness into like, he's one of the most consistent, probably one of those consistent putters out there now, right, as far as just when it matters or when he's like, when everything's sinking up, he's not a liability anymore. He's number one on the tour in Struxgain off the tee, number 36th and putting, which has not. It's not a liability anymore. He's number one on the tour in Strokes Game off the tee, number 36th in Pudding, which has not always been the case.

Yeah, from two years ago to now, like that's unthinkable. 2019, he was actually 28th. Really? And he was actually 10th in 2020. This is why we have the stats. Exactly. I don't know.

But at one point, he was even higher. He has not potted great over the last couple of months. If I, now I will say, like, if he, will say, like when he missed the putt for 59, it's clearly like, he was like, I hit a good putt and all that. And it's like, well yeah, like sometimes, everything's not in the Greens book. You gotta read the fucking putt.

He didn't make a mistake the whole week. He flushed the shot that went right in the water. They didn't miss them. Which is kind of the mentality. Yeah. He's gotta have, right?. Which is kind of the mentality. Yeah. He's got to have, right? Yeah, and like the club twirl with the wedge into 18, like listen, you got to make the putt after doing that.

Of course, but that was like a bad ass shot. He knew he hit the number, knew he flushed it. And he, like, But I think all, like all that stuff feeds into that psychology of like, you can't believe in your own mortality for him, right? Where like in all of his faux pas off the course as well

or like it's a lack of humility and self-awareness and all that but like that also probably helps him on the golf course. Like it's that same attitude, right? But yeah, we cool the takes on like, oh, you know, Rory throws his club and you'd have been all over Bryce and if he does it like Yeah, there's if you can't tell like we treat the scenarios of these guys differently It's like one guy's on that asshole

That's kind of the point right like and no way one of we promise to like Treat every player perfectly exactly the same, but we treat them fairly like I also think like think like Roy's kind of acting like a bitch right now. Sure. Yeah, kind of. Like you're making tens of millions of dollars every year to play golf. And he's bitching about playing what, 28 or 30 times in the last 18 months. And it's like, dog, go play the corn fairy tour. Go be 75th on the FedEx couple.

Listen, I realize you've earned this and you're very good. But at some point, the complaints or the woe is made, or I'm so burned out, doesn't resonate. Is the schedule too long? Yeah, absolutely. But like, sack it up. This was a very extenuating circumstance here. Yes.

And you're currently in a week that they couldn't have teed up the golf course much better for you. This is good this is as good of a golf course as you're going to get finished for. It's like hearing him say like, you know, Kevin Martin asked the question. He's like, Hey, like what, you know, what do you think of the set up this week? Or what do you like, I'm not sure what the exact question was, but Roy was basically like, I think the playoffs, it's as great where it basically lets us shine like paraphrasing here, but like, lets us shine. I don't have to come in and study it and get deep on it.

Like, I just have to execute the golf shots. And at some point, it's like, all right, if that's what the players are saying, then they need to be doing the exact opposite. And actually challenging them. If they want us to take, you know, take the competition seriously, I think in that regard. But maybe the tour would would argue, all right, like, no think in that regard, but maybe the tour would argue, all right, like, no, like, it's about the players,

it's not about the venue or the course or whatnot, but like at some point, it's just, you're making the, like the margins just get so thin and you just have to make it another one or two puts a day. Yeah, yeah, and I think he's a bit annoyed that it's not a bigger test, right? Because he's one of the most talented, right?

And I think it turns into a putting contest like this week was. But that's where I struggle with like his thing. It's like when it's not pushing at least a little bit against them. Where it's like like, Rory, like you should be going in the opposite act like you're the most talented. And if you actually get challenged on a lot of these shots, T to green, like it's going to favor you a hell of a lot. That's what I'm saying. I think you would like that, right?

Yeah, but he's saying the opposite, which doesn't make sense to me, you know? Well, I took his mental fatigue. I took his comments to Kevin as like, you know, I kind of roll in his eyes like, look, it's an entertainment product. Like they're not trying to set it up tough. Like it doesn't, you know, it doesn't want to be, they don't want that. But also when you crow all year about like, this means more. This is a FedEx cup playoff. Stop it, stop it, stop it. It's like, well, that's, you know, it doesn't want to be, they don't want that. But also when you crow all year about like, this means more, this is a FedEx Cup playoffs, not at all. It's like, well, that's,

well, we know that's bullshit, right? We think this whole thing is a, a, a civ, a cash distribution vehicle. They're trying to get the money to the players, right? That's, that's, that's fun. All. Yeah. That's what they're trying to do. And, and they got some great action this week along the way, which is like all we can ask for as fans. So it's hard to sit here and really critique it after a great, great, you know,

day that we had. And I'm in on the final, the, the tour championship format. I think it's a while. I don't have a problem with it at all. Yeah. I'm like, it's, yeah, it's like, there should be, I guess my, my argument would be, if you wanna make the regular season mean more, and then truly make it feel like the playoffs, then give the guys make these three weeks, one big ass. And there's a cut, there's a cut after the fight. So next year is what, Memphis, and then BMW, in Wilmington, and then towards championship.

And so you do it with a cut but you do it with you seat it based on the regular season and and you make the regular season mean something going back to Rams comments. Yeah you know where he's like hey like I don't think it's right that somebody can parachute and play really well to have three weeks in the playoffs and win this thing which you can argue either way or that but you can kind that, but you can kind of do the best of both worlds if you said, all right, your number one coming into the FedEx cup playoffs after the regular season, you strengthen the windum. If a guy is on the edge or there's a close race there, then you get guys actually

vying for seeding going into the playoffs instead of just wiping this late totally clean. Let's go through it for East like. Cantlay starts at 10 under, sleeping on the lead for the next four nights. Feen out at eight, Bryson at seven, Rom at six, came Smith at five, JT, English, answer spieth and burns at four, Morakawa, M. Hovland, Usthen, DJ at three, Rory, Zander, Co-Creck, Naal, Keppka at two, Conners, Hadecki, Sink, Neiman, Sheffler at one, Berger, Erick Van Royen, Sergio Garcia, Billy Horschl, Patrick Reed, maybe at Evenpar. And if Reed can't play, he just...

He just goes to 29. 29? Yeah. No one gets in. So, on that level, like, who... This is the third year that they've done this now? Third year. The last, like, Rory won in 19. I was gonna say this kind of goes to show you,

like, I have no idea who won the last two dork championships or FedEx Cup playoffs or whatever, like who won the last two and where did they start in relation to par? Rory won in 19, he started at five under and DJ won in 2020 I don't remember where he started but I can definitely get that for I think he started he had to start number one I mean he was

Absolutely killing it coming into it. I mean anything still can still happen right you still just have like a map What's been interesting to me is like so far in these two times It's not gone. We've not had the year where, you know, somebody like truly bottoms out and like if, can't we bottoms out and goes from 15 million down to like finishing 25th? That'd be super interesting. That used to not be possible in the old format and it is and it hasn't really happened too badly yet.

I had to look up. I think I calculated last year who the biggest like, quote unquote loser was in that championship. And I just, yeah, DJ did start at minus 10 and Xander and, and JT finished second. They started at minus seven and minus three. So as far as the bubble goes, there was some interesting stuff. There was.

I hated seeing, you know, what's our, our boy Alex and Lauren didn't quite make it in. Mr. Pot. Mr. Pot. They showed the plot eventually. Yeah, they got there eventually. Um, Sergio played his way. What you're gonna put his ass off the stretch.

Yeah, Sergio's playing some golf. Um, just just in time. Of course. Yeah. I mean, that's just a guarantee. Eric Van Royen gets his way in, you know, being outside the top 125, going into the Barracuda, wins the Barracuda. And now he's going to East Lake.

That's a shit load comes from when it getting into East Lake and they kind of told that story today kind of bungled it a couple times, but they don't want to talk about the majors. They want to talk about everything else that they want some of the majors they have, but they don't want to come with it. Yeah, he wants to say, Hey, you get into the players and you make this guaranteed amount of money or whatever, but you know, like get in basically everywhere except for PGA championship and then you probably get know the PGA too. Okay, H. Lee, Bogey the last hole to miss out on East Lake, which was tough.

Zinger kept attributing it. If you missed it, saying he lost out on $400,000, not quite true. Thirty first place still gets $200,000. He was tossing it out there. He was. I appreciate that. The numbers don't have to be right, but I love actually talking about the money on the relative. Yeah, it's all relative.

I love, I love what he was throwing out there today. But big what if for me, co-crack, first round 73, if you place a little bit better in the first round, you finish 68, 65, 66, you know, he's, he's got some chips to move. He's got a chip in a chair heading into the tour championship. He's alive. But do you think they're looking at him for the, no, for rider cup?

I don't. You want to do that now? You want to talk rider? Of course, the, the people that brought you this event will also bring you this segment of partners at BMW global partners of the rider cup, uh, and partners of ours as well, as sponsored all year long, these. We'll have about the Ryder Cup. Might take away from the week. I think absolutely nothing changed.

I think something changed when from like, can't lay being, hey, you should take him to like, can't lay the lock for the team. Well, he literally made it. He qualified. He qualified for the team. I think he was going to be taken no matter what. So we have our six qualifiers as of now. The picks are going to be made after next week's tour champion. So T knock Fino out. He knocked Fino out.

Fino's basically been assured that he's got a stricker called him on like the 18th green yet, Northern Trust. Fino is seven, which going back to tour championship, your convince the Fino is going to going to win. He, well, I was hoping he'd come in as the leader and win it. And like, what's he coming in a second he's coming in a second he's gonna win under and it's gonna be so freaking perfect because you guys are gonna bitch and complain and squirm and wine and it is going to be the accumulation of all his other great finishes that get him an extra win all the bad luck that that basically rolled into it when he doesn't actually get the OWGR points for the win Yes, because he's starting so far ahead of other guys

So somebody's gonna beat him for the week. Yes, but he's gonna net up to yeah, he's gonna win the FedEx cup And it's gonna be fantastic and that'll be his third tour win and it is just cross that bridge No, no, we're getting there. We're there. We know that's happening. That is absolutely happening. But so that that's seven guys. Speed is eight. Yeah. Zander's nine.

Isander a lock? Yeah. Come on. You think so? Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm just like, I like Zander. I think I would have him on the team. I'm just asking the question.

Yes, yes, yes. He is there's no possible way they don't pick him. What did he do this week? I don't think he's T49 this week. That's not great. But he checks every single box you could imagine for that. And I don't think you got anything for one of the Olympics either, but.

By the way, it's Anders Dad. Saw him walking around out there this week. He was wearing black preez and a black shirt. What a savage. What a mess. Some some people came out to us and said hello and they said yeah we just try to talk to Xanard dad. He was not nice.

So thank you for hanging with us for a second. But so that's nine guys on the US side. Berger I don't know why people are pushing back on Twitter about this election. All for all for all for burgers. Berger's a badass and everyone's like hey he just hasn't played good enough like no dude you just haven't followed close enough. Yeah, he has totally played good enough. He has been on, you know,

president's cup's teams and I don't know what more you're looking for out of a guy. He was about T3. He really hasn't like, he's kind of played a pretty slow schedule, but T3, Byron Nelson, didn't play well at PGA, T20 at Colonial, T7 at US Open, T34 at John Deere, and then T8 at British and T5 at Memphis. That's just no brilliant rock solid, right?

And it just goes back to like, if we are gonna, you know, just two cuts all year. If we're gonna pass on the guy that over the last six months has been the third best American at getting the ball in the hole, like what the hell? Like what, I two cuts all year. If we're gonna pass on the guy that over the last six months has been the third best American in getting the ball in the hole, like what the hell? Like what, I'm gonna see there. Stop like, you can stop the stroke scheme bullshit of, you know, hating on the stroke scheme

and just like, look at how good the guy is and getting the damn ball in the hole. There's nothing to worry about. I mean, like the ultimate metric of getting the ball in the hole is like, he has, he's like seven or eight top 10s in here. Yeah, exactly. Big events.

Exactly. So that's 10. Harris English, I think he's not beat down the door, but I think checks a lot of boxes and has had a solid enough year and has had strong recent finishes. So that's kind of the, like in your opinion, that's the line, right? After Burger, there's a little bit of debate, right?

I think a little bit. I don't think English is science-yield delivered, but again, if we're talking about the player, it's like trending the best over the last three months. We're at 10 before, so we've got two spots left after Burger. Correct. Okay. But I don't know if it's updated just now for Kentlay or for this week or not, but literally the number one American over the last three months has been Harris English. So again, two wins

this year, two runner-ups as well, like, or I guess sorry, not a runner-up at FedEx, he had a T4, but it was obviously very close to it was one shot out of a playoff at that event. Like what fits the golf course has a fit, like I don't know what you're looking for. A third US open. Yeah, like you know But and I think the only downside to hair singles should be like he's what he's like 30 32 32 at some point like you know

You know you're almost skipping a not a generation, but like the the the front half of that generation to get new blood on and like totally leaning into the youth movement. Yeah. Um, but that's not fair to him either. No, he's played, he's played well enough like, like if the, if the rider cups last year, yeah, he wouldn't make it. He's on. Yeah. Right. So I think like, you got to take him because he's and he's just playing like he did going into last year. He sustained it. So that's 11 and that's who like I would go to war with that 11 and then I think the last spot gets interesting. You're going to fill right?

Of course. Yeah. Phil and Kizner finishing DFL. I yeah, no one really coming in the in the messages this week and saying how how hot kids and and feel it's weird once you know what it's a bad venue for me. Yeah, guess what? So is listening. That's the point. As soon as they went back to the bomber paradise's kids, maybe it's drug in the last couple of weeks, but are you going to Shaffler? I would. I think Shaffler is the guy. That's right. That's very big.

It's huge to me. I know you. I've been a huge doubtter of Shaffler for so long, according to you. But yeah, again, kind of an underappreciated guy, but a lot of people judging on Twitter. Webs, numbers are better than I kind of realized. I think he's had a quiet last six months. I haven't really noticed it, but like he has played good, sustainable golf. Is it a great golf course fit for him?

Not necessarily, I don't think, but. Who's the babysitter? Do you need a babysitter? That's the question. I was like, how are these gonna pair up? It's like the only thing I haven't really considered. When I'm going for 12 best talents, I think Sheffler's my 12th.

I will say that, Sheffler is my 12th. But where does the task force nature of these decisions come in, right? Do they take Rookie Sheffler over Webb who's played in a bunch of these things when it's close? You know, number one. But someone's like, hey, like, I've been doing. I've been doing a lot of things that I've been doing. I've been doing a lot of things that I've been doing.

I've been doing a lot of things that I've been doing. I've been doing a lot of things that I've been doing. I've been doing a lot of things that I've been doing. I've been doing a lot of things that I've been doing. I've been doing a lot of things that I've been doing. I've been doing a lot of things that I've been doing. I've been doing a lot of things that I've been doing. I've been doing a lot of things that I've been doing.

I've been doing a lot of things that I've been doing. I've been doing a piece of these teams for years to come. That's what I would do. I don't think we're not like, we're not, you know, short on experience, so we don't necessarily need web. Any other wild cards that would pot some on it? A lot of people chirping about San Burns and throwing that in there, like, I wouldn't even say it was a wild card, like I'd say, like, you know, I think San Burns is probably maybe one wrong slightly below hair singlish. He's a great, great year.

Very good year. I just, I don't think he, I think he like Burns is a guy that would, would have had to really be down the door, right? It's not the true year long, like success story that Shuffle has been. He has created the, you know, the win. We're the three year success story that Harrison was. Exactly. I just can't picture them.

I don't see great reason to vibe. If you're going to do an inexperienced rookie pick, you're probably going to go Sheffler over Burns, right? Unless you're really valuing this week necessarily, or if Burns goes out and wins next week, that may change things, of course. But that last pick, if you get through that first 11 and they get those right, whoever finishes that 12, unless it's Phil, I have to just go to

get really too upset about it. I think it, it should be a good enough collection of talent to go to battle and anything might happen once you get there, but like I don't fall, I wouldn't fault any of those decisions. On the back end too, it's, it's not like you can't just hide somebody during the first two days, too, right? Right. And that's where it's like the Europeans are strong at the very top, but middle to the back part

of that team is not as strong as the US. And that's where the US is probably going to win this thing. Because in the past years, the top US players have let them down. That's when they have lost. But I also kind of think we've totally just thrown out 2016. Like the last time this was on US soil, the US team nailed the team,

they got the bombers, they set up the golf course, and they smoked them. It wasn't even close. So I think it's hard as I've been on the US, I feel like a little benefit of the doubt of, yeah, France really didn't go good. It's almost like an opposite of recent C bias. Yes.

France was just a total, they were unprepared, and they did not feel the right team for that golf course. And a bunch of things worked against Fierrick, you know, with Bryson and, and Tiger all coming in super hot from the playoffs and then just throwing up goose eggs in the matches and all that. But something to be said for like probably having a little something learned from Medina and how they set it up They've won two of the last three on US soil and they just had an insane upset in 2012

In blue in the last day, so I don't know my faith is starting to come back around a little bit Because I think that they're almost getting forced into not making bad decisions, right? It feel like top 10s this week. They may have made a bad call, but like, it's setting up right for them. Exactly. I think it is. So two things, the European tour, they are going to the 2020-03 venue, Marcus Simone, for the Italian Open this week. So I think that'll be interesting to see a preview of the 2023. How will trick that place up or all that talking about the rider cuff and then be Rasmus

Hogard third win age 20 the year 30 years old Thomas Bjornis is shouting this guy's name from the rooftops. So and it says like he's got like it's not just that he's coming up with the results but he but he's like the real deal. He's like, hey, this is the guy. Where I will say I've got a man called by here. Robert McIntyre has played like, absolutely shit the last two weeks in Cornfairy finals. Listen, that's gonna happen. Trying to get his tour card,

but you gotta produce wherever you are. Let's go have to rely on that world ranking to get some starts next year. But, too easy. Bern Vsberger had a shot at, I haven't followed the European tour qualification too closely, but he had a shot to qualify and apparently double bogey the last hole today.

That was tough. So looking at the year, so you got Ram Fleetwood, Hatton, careful, are using the two lists? Yes. So Ram Fleetwood, Hatton, Rory, and then go into the other list. And they both cut off. You got it right.

Hovlin, Casey, Fitzpatrick, Westwood, Lowry. Correct. And then you have the three picks, which are... Which I would say there's depth there, and then you don't have as much depth with the picks. That's where the depth drops off, right? Right, but I think that the two of the picks are pretty easy, right? Polter. Yeah. You go polter and then

Sergio and you get Sergio and Rose and Rose probably make sense for the last. I mean, he just won the pain Stewart man of the year. It's coming in hot. So there's shape up well, but like they almost got caught or they said, I don't I don't know what the math, how the math is going to work out. But like getting caught by giving away too many qualifying spots is like, they probably wouldn't pick Burn Vsburger and we're probably almost, they're almost forced to have them on the team. If you qualify that last spot, again, think of it this way.

I don't think Padrik has a, I don't think Padrik has a allegiance to Burn Vsburger, though, right? That's what I'm saying. It's like if you would have gotten in that spot, I actually think Burns are pretty good player for Whistling Straight. He very well made be, but would they rather have Lowry or would they rather have Vsperger?

I'm guessing they'd rather have Lowry, right? So, you know, the whole idea of qualifying is like, well, you could potentially be giving away a spot on points that you wouldn't, for a guy you wouldn't want on the team, which makes no sense. At some point is Pulitzer, it's like you're playing a musical chairs at some point. You're going to run, like, you're going

to be left holding the bag with Pulitzer. And it's going to happen one of these years. It's not like, you know, and maybe you just have him as assistant captain or whatever. Like, this seems like a really bad course for Polter. And Polter didn't play in 2016. He did not play at whistle at Hazeltein. And so I think that, you know, it's like, it's not going to be his last Ryder Cup.

You have him on European soil or whatnot. And he's a great antagonist and all that. But like, like, as a fan, do I want Ian Polter involved? Absolutely. Yeah. But also, he went two and two in France, which is fine, but like didn't, wasn't a, like he made his, he made his hay in very specific circumstances. Yeah.

And then in 2014 in Glenn Eagles, he was 0 1 and 2. So he's won two matches in the last since 2012. Obviously, remember what he did in 2012. Like he's not the same player that he was then, and it's not a great golf course fit. And he's going to give you issues as far as matching him up with other guys. Could potentially. No, I think there's plenty of guys that would love to play with Polter. Yeah, but just as far as like the games, like the straight-up, just the analytics. Yeah, I would think so. But I don't know. I'm getting super excited about it, and it's shaping up to be a good one,

and I don't know, I was kind of resigning myself to a nihilist position on the US side, but now I'm starting to believe that we might be in a good spot, but coming up this week, we have Soulheim Cup. We are going up to Toledo, to Enverness, we'll have a bunch of content coming out here related to the Soul Heim Cup,

but I'm excited to experience the Soul Heim Cup for the very first time. I am too. I think Emberness is gonna be unbelievable. Saw some of the build out for it on Twitter this week. It looks spectacular. I think Toledo is gonna shine. I was a little bit confused by the mean of Harrogay pick.

But otherwise, I thought the, I don't know, I'm team Europe for Soulheim Cup 2. So, and there's like four or five Scandinavians on the team too. I'm just getting out of it. We'll get on front of this. We're not going to be watching much tour championship this weekend.

We're going to be at the Soulheim watching the team's portion on Saturday and Sunday. So, which I think at some point, like, it pains me to say this because, like, you know, I'm an Atlanta guy and I like Atlanta and I think it's a very Coca-Cola Southern company. Like they support the hell out of tournament. But like, A as a fan, like the torch-amping ship growing up, going to that, like, it kind of stinks. Like Like there's 30 guys and by, you know, by Friday afternoon, half of them aren't in contention at all. And that was before they started doing the, the net thing.

And also like East Lake just kind of stinks. Yeah. And like I think better to say, I think that's what the nine helped. That's one thing where it's like, if you really, really want to make it as spectacle, like move that shit, move that one around. Yeah.

Like the Super Bowl, right? Where you have, like, this is our thing and we're gonna move it around where it's like, it's old hat and Atlanta. And it's just not, like, the, the, used to be ninth now, 18th hole at East Lake is actually a really great finishing hole for it. But there are some bad holes on that back nine there. Yep. And what we'll miss seeing it this week. But can't lay. So I had to raise my hand.

This is coming in. Can't lay said about the, the, the, uh, said officials had told the group to speed up. Uh, the, the, the exchange they had on 14 said officials had told them to speed up, which I don't think we've acknowledged it like can't At least slow shit. Of course he is. It's great like like seeing him and the bigger the moment Let's not roll up slow-play Twitter though They he gets but he gets even slower the bigger the moment But like I know he's making the putt and all that like you know, he it's a part of his deal

But oh like just over the ball. Yeah, It is wild. And this is coming from Ryan Lavner. He said, it's no big deal. That kind of stuff happens out here every once in a while in terms of like, taking a stop, stop walking. And of course, Bryson didn't talk to media to our partner or otherwise afterward. So, that's cool. He should keep that up.

That's a really cool act he's got going. I think that's going to benefit him a ton in the long term. And, you know, it's certainly, you know, he's just standing up for his right to not talk to the media. And I'm so proud of him for that. And I think that's a very big, very big of him. It's just very, how much he's grown up.

Are we media though? I mean, I don't know. That's the question. Let's talk to Tel sometimes. There's a guy on the European tour, on the world points list of Spanish guy. 23rd, he's ahead of Matayoshwab, Rafa Cabrera Bayo, he's ahead of Stenson,

ahead of Grand McDowell, Santiago Tario from Spain. I've never once heard that name before. I watch a lot of European tour golf, so wait. Let me get this straight. So there's someone from Europe that's higher on the world ranking than you would have expected that you've never heard of.

Okay, I just wanted to make sure we got straight. Okay, it's one of make sure. Yeah. What else we got? Anything more from BMW and the other performances much, can I come in and knowledge a little elephant in the room here, Clawmore Cowah. T63 this week finished at 200 par.

He was one of, he was one of 69 guys that did finish under par at the tournament. Nice. He barely positive, stroke scheme approach, which is a weird thing for him and almost dead last and putting. So kind of seems like something

that just almost neuters his advantage. He's sitting. Yeah. You know, I don't know. I'm not, I wouldn't be all that concerned about it. He's more. Kaua is not a, he is not a, he's not a buoy. Like we've said about John Rom. He, he, he does, he does go away.

He does go away for a little period of time. You would think the irons will be like one of the most consistent skill sets, but he just doesn't have the putter to validate it. Like he just does. Where the putting stats really bad. I mean, it's 64th and putting this. Speaking of bad putting stats, can we talk about JT? We can. Yeah, it's a time. Yeah, it's been, it's been a very, very poor putting year for him. And he finn, I think he actually put it pretty good today. So he finished 51st and putting this week out of 69 guys, but yeah, losing it's going to be, I mean, like we've talked about a lot.

And he's a lock for the team. He's on the team, but we are the top players for the US team, not performing very well in the Ryder Cup. Like we're going to need this guy to make putts in the Ryder Cup. And it I feel like it's, you know, it's been a dress. He changed putters around what not, but like he is negative strokes game putting on the year and I don't think I need to do the same thing last year actually seen in the last three years now that I see that. It's been a week. That's the secret, right?

It's like it's been a little bit above and your ball striking is good enough. Yeah. It's been a weakness for Roy's putting strokes like he was 10 things in putting. Yeah, it's been a weakness. Four Rory's putting strokes like, he was 10th to the second. He was in putting. Yeah, he put it in. That was the thing, it's like when Rory, and like, you know, I know I was like, yeah, I think he's acting like a bitch.

Yeah, I know he's got a one year old at home, right? I have a one, I have a 11 month old home. Like, I know how it is, man. I know priority shift and, you know, you get that overload of perspective, but you also get a lot of sleep deprivation and stuff. But I think with Rory too, there's a very, when he throws expectations out the window, he tends to play really, really well. It's kind of

the point where we were talking about it this week, the guys are gonna shut it down. There's this off season. Like there's gonna be a true off season. Yeah. This year, you know, some guys will probably play Vegas or, you know, C.J. Cup or what, like C.J. Cup is at the summit in Vegas, but, or like, I don't know who's gonna go play so, so, like, guys do not want to, like, they're fucking burned out. That's, I'm zero inside information.

This is a pure hunch, but I think after the Ryder Cup, that Roy shuts it down basically into like, I'll be Dobby next year. I mean, I'll be even like, farmers, right? It's like, it just, yeah. Just doesn't go do it. I just think he is probably looking for a true step away. And I think there's gonna be a lot more guys

that would typically play, you know, and some of the chatter is that, like the, the the tours about to just nuke the fall season after next year anyway, but you can tell like from officials, not new kid, but not make it part of the year long. Yeah, they're gonna say they're gonna make it back into like fall series, like, you know, but it also opened up some windows to do some cool shit internationally, maybe like, you know, go to Australia or do stuff and, you know, kind of taking the place

to the WGC stuff like that. So I think it's a good thing overall as a golf fan because I think so too. Pat and Kazir, want to give him a shout out. Yeah. That was that was fantastic. This is how to pat and just a pure snap of the putter over his knee on the 18th green. And then it goes and rips his hat. When rips his hat on the way into the tunnel, we saw him in the lobby of the hotel.

We just like, hey, what happened there? He just has a big smile on his face and he gave him out and told us the story about it. It was like, what are the best storytelling exhibitions I've seen in some time? He was like, I was like, what set you off? You know what, man? I just put it like shit the last like five, six weeks, man. And then he goes, what really pissed me off was, I knew I was gonna miss it.

Like I stood over and I knew I was gonna miss it. We were like, ah, shout out to Big Randy. And then he's like, as soon as I hit it, I just stood up and just made this grim as face. And just like this overcome with rage that I told myself I was gonna miss it before I missed it. I did. And it was, it was very funny to hear him tell us where we got to get him on the pot.

He seems like a big good chat. Patins great. He plays a little slow sometimes, but he's great. And he's just a slow simmer in general. I don't think. I got to give props to Camus Smith. Yeah. Tied one on.

He goes out and shoots 68 today. I don't think I got out, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, But yeah, just just what a fucking stud. He's the best. No shout out to Harry Higgs. He was supposed to he was going to come join us for the pod tonight. And he had a glass minute. He had to change. Yeah, the playoff kind of threw off his timing a little bit, but we're going to get some of his takes on there. But yeah, the general chatter, chatter for most of the players this week was just a little frustration with the ease of the course, I think, but it seemed to come from guys that were pretty far down the leaderboard. We're giving us a feedback. I think that's the thing where it's like I can't imagine, you know, going back to Roy's

comments about, I'm just burned out or, you know, I'm kind of going to the motions at this point. And then, you know, so credit to him for like going, kind of diving back in and like re-recommitting versus like, I can't imagine being 40th or 50th, you know, heading into like after, after Thursday or Friday, and when it's kind of half baked and then you're, you know, and then you gotta go through the motions on a hot weekend. Mm-hmm. It's like shit, you know, especially when you know,

like you're not making it towards your championship. Like you're not close to the bubble or whatnot. Speaking of which, did Hudson Swapher end up making it? Or did he, let's see what he was like the bubble guy all day, right? He did not, he finished it 36th. Okay. He shut even today. He did.

Yeah. Flushes the ball, man. He really does. He absolutely sends it. He's like, can you start like, notch this in better finishes? He had a great year, 36th. He had a great year, this is, I would, I mean, I guess, yeah,

it's like the second playout, like you finished, like, 30, yeah, like that's a really good season. Really good season, very close call. But like, hey, like you're, like, you're probably a lot better than that even, right? And we did see them both him and Harris English together at dinner this week. So we can confirm they are different people despite

one reporter going up to Harris English in the post game and say, Hudson, so what do you think of Bryson today? We're not going to name any names. Well, my name's Harris, actually, and I'll tell you about it. There's also a general theme from guys. You talk to enough guys, and they'll play with Brysonson or they'll just see it from a group away or whatever. And it's like they're just as tired of like Brooks hanging it on.

Oh for sure. There's a pig. There's a pig kind of groundsall of like, both of you all just need to grow the fuck up because it's wearing us out. We have to deal with, especially when Bryson doesn't talk to the media, like they come to us and ask us about it, even if we haven't played with you for two weeks or three weeks, it's like, you know, it's just wearing everybody out, right?

I gotta imagine we're at the best possible chance for a Brooks Bryson pairing with only 30 guys in the field. Yeah, right. I mean, I gotta think that- But they do it by, so the first two rounds, they do it by, they reset after every round, I think, towards championship. Oh, I got to think they do it by so the first two rounds. They do it by they reset after every round I think towards champ. Oh, they do. I'm pretty sure So I think we what's Brooks going into the playoffs as I

Can pull that up here shortly any big disappointments this week as far as guys that were You know kind of From the bubble had a chance and and didn, you know, didn't get it done. I will say, like, I was impressed with Sungjae this week. Yeah, we haven't heard a lot from him lately. He's kind of kept his at minus two, Bryson's at minus seven. So, okay.

Should we get to an announcement on our end? Yes. We have some exciting news here at NoLayingUp. We have a new podcast on the NoLayingUp podcast network. We are welcoming the Gruder golf girls into the No Laying Up family. They're podcast low expectations, now officially part of our network. We've long been fans of their content, what they've done for women's golf and have enjoyed getting to know them.

We are pumped to bring them aboard. We are going to have some collaborations between us and them in the very near future. We're hosting an event with them up in New Jersey. Is it New Jersey? Yeah, watching Valley. Yeah, watching Valley. I'm excited. I'm gonna try to make it up to that.

It's like the course looks awesome. And they're so fun. Couple of them came out to Denver and I put with Jen and like we shot, we shot 20, 27. We're not making this about what you shot. Oh, no, it was a triumph of the human spirit. We shot 37, 27. We're not making this about what you show. We're just. Oh no, it was a triumph of the human spirit. We shot 37 27. We made three natural birdie. I've never been more proud of a partner that I was playing with.

There you go. She's a gamer. Well, congratulations to you and your fantasy team on that TC. But no, welcoming the Groot or golf girls into our podcast family. We'll be up with them at the Soulheim Cup this week. So expect some collaborations in the very near future. But, you know, we've been, we've been, we've got to know them a lot of the last couple of years and have been working towards, uh, towards bringing them aboard. And now it is official as of this week.

So it's like perfect, perfect timing with the Soulheim Cup. It is. So it's going to be great. Last segment I have here is a segment we have done with in collaboration with our friends at Callaway Golf. It's our What's in the Bag segment. I threw this out. I said, well, what should we talk about this week? T.C. lit up, ready to tell us about the forewood.

Which you've tinkered with woods in the past. You've had a sex wood. Yeah. Tell us about your fairway wood history here and what you've currently got in the bag. Yeah, so I had the last epic flash. I had the three, just a three wood, I think it was a 15 degree,

then into a three plus with the, and I'm always doing the sub zero, the low spin one. With the Maverick, I had a little bit of trouble with the ball falling out of the air, and I don't want to ever see with a wood, I don't like seeing it go left ever, especially with a three wood. Like I don't want to ever see with a wood I don't like seeing it go left ever especially with a three wood like you don't want that quick kind of that quick hooded you know almost ducky three wood you know I was having that so I switched to this forward I think it's like 16 16 and a half

degrees and gets a enough backspin on it to where I maybe lose six yards seven yards but like it goes so freaking straight. It's holds green, it's too. Crazy. And it goes high. And then you can actually nuke it. It's like in certain spots, if you're live good, it actually goes farther.

Yeah, that's been a game changer for me. And then I've also got this, I can't wait to go to Scotland because I got this 18 degree, like the, I like the old X-forged driving iron, the utility iron. The new one is, it's like the one of the best clubs I've ever hit. All right, well I'm sold. It's, where like, you're, like I used to play a hybrid.

Now I don't play the hybrid, but I've got two of these in the bag, I've got an 18 degree and a 21 degree. Oh Jesus. And the 18 degree has, I got an 18-year-old in a 21-degree. Oh Jesus. And the 18-degree has, it's an X-stiff shaft. It's like 130 grams. Actually, I stole it from Neil. Hmm. Like, it doesn't, like, I don't put any spin on it at all.

And like, when we go to Scotland, I'm going to hit like 315 yards. It's going to be nuts. And it can't miss left. It's just the little bleed right. It's awesome. Well, it's the rumors have been confirmed that TC is indeed flush in the ball. We had a car that's 71 at Baltimore Country Club this week, which was a round of golf on that golf course. That was 71 with a, I was three over from the par five. I knew that was coming next. We knew

that was coming next, but that was a tremendous tremendous round of golf. And what I'm most excited about is you're down to a two handicap now. I am. Yeah, I was like a 3.8 coming into the week. And then we played Chevy Chase and Baltimore Clunch Club. And I'm going to try to play well tomorrow too. We got to we got a good round coming out tomorrow. And yeah, it's like, you know, play time's over.

I'm back. I'm going to I'm going to get in shape this off. Let's get you to some tournaments this fall. How about that? I'm all for it. Let's do it. So I think that about wraps it. Yeah.

The only thing I've got is Corn Fairy Tour. That's right. Adam Spenson won this week. And then Steven Yeager, Blake Boey on 17. But he's already into it. Sahee Thigala. Didn't even know who's going to be in the Cornferrey finals. And so, you know, basically locking up his card this week with a T4.

Is it a dangerous lock up shot 66 didn't win with that name? 66, 66 didn't win with that many guys locked in at T like tying for T4. I'm I'm always like, Cornferrey tour final scoring. Yeah. That always makes me nervous on like saying somebody's locked. I think he's in good shape, could probably use some more points just to make sure.

Yeah, that's probably fair. I don't know how he played last week, but I think if you get to like, his intent right now, he has 200 points. So he's gonna say, I think if you get to like 150, okay, he should be good. 160-ish, I think 160's probably save 100 unless something fluky happens

and everybody that played well plays like shit because it tends to be Victorian national, the guys that are in decent form continue to be in decent form. But yeah, it's gonna be interesting. Our guy Justin Lauer, solid made cut this week, but he needs a good one next week. Curtis Luck, great round today, 66 today, kind of stumbled yesterday. Shot 66, 67, 73, 66. He's 24th, went up 40 spots, but he's got to probably finish top 12 next week.

I'm not sure exactly how it's distributed, but yeah, I don't know. Like this is, the corn fairy tour, it's crazy how these guys have been grinding for two years. Like there's been no guys have been grinding for two years. Like there's been no movement up or down for two years other than metopraera for winning three times. You want to talk about super season. These guys have earned it, you know. So yeah, just a ballbuster of a championship test next week at Victoria National, although

I'm getting reports that they cut down something native. The tour called and said, hey, you got to cut down some of this native. It's going to be too hard. And I imagine that some of the hurricane moisture will be headed up that way here over the next, you know, next, next two or three days. And if you're following Tom Whitney after his podcast appearance with us a couple of weeks ago, he is in 23rd. He's currently in line to get a card.

And he still needs another good week. Which you see what he did this week? I missed a short putt. Yeah, and he was super upfront about it. Yeah, it's like, you know, like, my God, like, I'm bone head. But like, yeah, like that's, dude, the margins are so fucking bad. It's wild. He makes that shorty, you know, on Friday.

And, you know, he might have been much closer to locking up that card. But it's going to be great to follow this coming week. It's stressful. It's heartbreaking. It's heartwarming. It's everything you can that's going to be like, you know, everybody that's the torch and championships making. They'll make what a million bucks in bonus this week, like or three 95 for the last guy last place. And you know, plus you probably made three or four million just to get there. plus you probably made three or four million just to get there. The guys that are like, you know, for a guy that even if the guy doesn't play well in the PGA tour next year,

he's still making more than he would finishing first on the Cornferrey Tour list next year, right? So like it's truly life changing. You know, you look at somebody like a Scott Harrington or something like that. Like these are the stories I like to follow. Yeah, it sounds like, I don't wanna spoil anyone's scoops,

but just, we might have been too effusive in our praise for Bryson. Sounds like there might be some issues with him in the crowd, and it was post-round antics that, well, that'll be out by Monday if it is gonna be published. Malki got in, got into it with some crowd today too, right? Kevin Van Volkmer tweeted that, yeah, that Malki swore at somebody

they called him Bruxy or something like that. But yeah, I don't wanna spoil anyone's scoops or if they don'tberg tweeted that, yeah, that mulpey swore at somebody they called him Brooksy or something like that. But yeah, I don't want to spoil anyone's scoop, or if they don't want to publish that, but we may know that by the time this is published. So hell yeah. Let's get some dinner. We had scheduled for some dinner for a long time ago, but that playoff went a long time.

But thanks everyone at BMW for having us out this week and putting on just a class class event, like every other BMW we've been to. And thanks for, you know thanks for kind of ally of ours and Tim Rittenhouse. He's been a great partner with BMW's moving on to another role with them, but helped us three, four, five years ago

when we had no one. We made the leap. Yeah, so big thanks to them and big thanks to Baltimore. Like we've had a great time here this week. Eight crabs till my hands were bleeding last night. Drank some natty bows. You know, all of it. It's a cool place and very authentic.

A lot of character here. Yeah, thanks to everyone that came out to our event this week and everyone that said hello at the tournament. It's clear the Baltimore Strap episode has been circulated around this city because that was, we met a lot of great people this week. And we're re-energized and we're excited to roll this into it has been circulated around this city because that was, we met a lot of great people this week and It's we're re energized and we're excited to roll this into into soulheim cup this upcoming week So I'm ready to get after it. So, cheers get some food buddy. Yeah cheers good night

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