No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 472: Solheim Cup Recap, Day 1

Episode Date: September 5, 2021

It was a thrilling Day 1 on the grounds at our first Solheim Cup. Soly, D.J. and Randy sit down (from the tunnel to the first tee) to talk through the controversy, the course, the players and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. up. Sally here, big Randy here to my left. Hello, big Randy. Hey, Sally, absolutely chuffed to be here. What a day if I was any better than Toledo Police would haul me away. DJ Pies here. Hello, Mr. Pies. Greetings. Greetings from my first Solheim Cup experience. What an absolute thrill that was today. How'd it blast? Can't wait to talk about it.

It was an absolute treat. We got Europe's up five and a half, two and a half, right off the bat. But Sally, is that the story of the day? The God controversy. Boy, do we. We've got controversy. It wouldn't be a soul-hime cup without a little bit of controversy. Best possible thing that probably could have happened today. I think that's exactly right.

Big, you and I were out there, we were doing some investigative journalists. We're beating the bush, we're pounding the pavement out there. We find ourselves in the middle of the scrum. Players are getting a little testy. They're kind of getting a little hot with the rules officials are getting a little hot with each other. I mean, I thought you're going to have to do some crowd control out there. I was willing to. I was willing to. You're big J journalism instincts. Kick in. Inserted yourself into the story. That's what we're looking for. Did you get any exclusive quotes?

Brady almost got hit by a ball by Brittney Austin. How's it going today? Did I? Brady said, and I quote, I'm going to sue her for all she's worth. All right, let's play the situation. Let's break it down. You want me to break it down? I do.

So here's what happened. So we're on the 13th hole, par 5 here at the Inverness Club, the beautiful Inverness Club. What a great golf course. Got it. The real winner today. Let's see, put in something to win. And the great Nelly Corda, we're on number one, has a puck for Eagle, as she often does.

She hits a great puck. I was going to say it hung on the limp, but that's loaded language. That's leaving the witness. Let's not quite get there yet. It's fine. And we might have some interruptions this podcast. Totally. We are doing this live.

This is take two actually. Hang in the media tunnel, the entire American team walking our way. We're hoping they're going the other way. But well, if they come through, that'd be sweet. Anyways, Nelly, it's a great pot. The ball is very close to the lip. We'll say all that, of course the powers of the BB,

the judge on whether it was overhanging or not. Brass tax didn't go in, right? And I think wasn't going to go in. Wasn't not going to go in. I think that's the one definitive thing we can say. I don't think there's any person out there. Twitter is the place for all of the takes. The only one I didn't see today was,

yeah, that ball was gonna go in. As our good friend Vern, shout out Vern. The car driver for Team Europe said a great augusty day on truly that thing's not even going in. So anyway, so what happens? So she's playing Madeline Sagsstrom and Mattel and Nana and Kurtz Madsen. I think we can say definitively, we won't try to pretend to be impartial against Madeline. We're I say are we biased towards Madeline or biased towards the American team? I don't who could say you could accuse us of anything. It's true. It's a joke. At this point who am I biased toward? I hate your team.

Exactly. So Madeline waits about seven seconds. Nelly's obviously just not even looking at the hole, if I may say. She's kind of down in her squat position. It was such a close putt. She reacted, you know, fell to her knees as it was evident the ball wasn't going to go in. So Madeline, as the sleuths on Twitter have said,

about seven seconds after the putt stops, scoops it up, tosses it back to, you know, hey, that's good, great birdie. And now let's, let's try to make Nana's eagle putt here. Nana and Nana. Nana, I think. Nana, yeah. I regret the area. It's formal apologies. You apologize for that? I apologize for that. Not for the reporting. I apologize for the reporting. I apologize for that. Uh, Madeline scoops the putt. As the catch should have done at the 2019 Malfoy course. Maybe there was no launch to the cat.

Throw it. Throw it back to Daly. Uh, great, Bernie. Not only goes on, also two putst for Bernie. We're moving on, but not so fast. Rules of Fish will stop. Whoa. And now we're having a conversation with Madeline and Katrina Matthew with the onsite rules official, Missy Jones, and they're discussing Madeline by the letter of

the law here, what actually happened was that ball was deemed to be overhanging the whole true football shit. The ball broke the point. Like, pylon camp. I think they had to go to pylon camp. Exactly. That ball has broken the plane. It was deemed to be overhanging.

Since you did not allow your competitor both to get to the ball and then in additional 10 seconds once they've gotten to the ball, that putt has to by the letter of the law be deemed to be hold. That's an ego for Team USA to your birdie. Team USA goes one up. Randy, I see you raising your hand. You clear it. I have a question. Yeah, yeah. I'm following you so far. I got one question for you, Mr. DJ. Sure. How did this possible infraction come to be? Was this a player that reported it? Was this an outsider's server? This is where it is.

This is where it is. Ready for a great question. And also thanks for everything you do for the game, of course. So I think you pointed this out earlier. I think the important thing in a situation like this is to get your takes out from Twitter. Get your take is as fast as possible and as hard as possible. Before the facts come out. Before the facts come out, find somebody to blame and like make your case and stick to it

and like have six follow-ups to it. Yes. Like even when you've been proven wrong, like just keep going and keep reaching. Keep finding a new theory that just always makes it, make sure it ties back to your original follow-up. Well, so clearly you're following this from afar, you're following another match, you're following on Twitter. What were some of those takes? Well, so first of all, from my perspective, right, I'm out there walking around and I see

the clip on the video board, right, and I see the putt happen and I don't have any audio. I see it go to the lip and I'm like, oh my god, how's it stop there? And I saw Madeline go pick the ball up. My immediate reaction was like, oh, you can't do that. Oh my god, you cannot do that. So that was my immediate reaction. So whether or not I was overhanging the lip, whatever, just a rule to keep in mind for this,

like a general, not an actual rule, but a good rule of thumb, don't pick up your opponent's ball match play. Don't touch your opponent's ball. Just don't do it. All the bad things can happen. Tell him it's good, whatever you can make it look like you're being kind of a jerk, by not picking the ball, what does don't touch it. Like, and if we would like, I know a lot of

emotions were riding high and I think Madeline like, and like a week from now will sit there and say, like, I just shouldn't have touched the ball. Like, I just shouldn't have. She can probably disagree with the ruling and apparently she does and I can understand from her standpoint, her disagreeing with the rules official saying it, you know, that it was overhanging the lip. She had the best view of it. She probably very, I came to the same conclusion we all would have come to, which is, that's not going in, I can pick it up.

But technically, was it at least part of that ball overhanging part of the lip? From Twitter and from the video, I think it's too close to call. You cannot say definitively either way. So that would air on the side of like, don't touch your opponent's ball. So I think if we're close to call. You cannot say definitively either way. So that would air on the side. Like, don't touch your opponent's ball. So I think if we're getting into hostile take territory

and we're really sussing out, I mean, I think once the take start flying, it's immediate. Who's the good guy? Who's the bad guy? Who are the villains? Who are the heroes? Oh, and you have to establish what is the spirit of international competition?

And I believe that's important. No, well said. And so I think a lot of people immediately wanted to turn to Nelly, saying like you must have called in this rules official. We kind of heard some scuttle butt on both sides. Big, you were out there working the teams, you're working. I was cultivating sources. Exactly. Yeah. You know, there was some scuttle, maybe had originated from an observer of the match. But you you went and asked the rules of fish around yourself.

A great rules official. Someone we've met at a number of tournaments, super, super nice. Did you call him Miss Missy? I said Missy. Oh, just dream. Just straight. They don't understand basis.

I said, hey, let me just ask you a question. This is an approximate transcript of our conversation. I said, in a situation like that, what happens does a player instigate that or do you guys step up and say something more on that in a second? She said, what happened was I'm here to basically point out anything that might be a rules of traction.

That's the point of having a walking official with a group. She said, I saw it. I radiated it into their main. They must have a kind of rules compound. She said, they, I saw it. I radiated it into their main, they must have a kind of rules compound. She said they were already on it. They already had seen the same exact thing. They were already working on it. And so at that point, like I just kind of am relaying what they're telling me from the air and from the camera. And so it sounded like it was

pretty open and shut case. So it's kind of even out of her hands then. Yes. It sounds like it went to central command. So it's the rules, it's in the rules hands, right? Right. Right. It's not the official. It's in the rule. It's all in the game. But the judgment comes in is is if that balls over, hang because there was judgment in this in this situation. And by all the cameras that they had, this is where it gets tough and where I do sympathize with both Madeline and Katrina Matthew. And we're watching them all like, all right, cool, we're not hitting a T-Shot

until we can see proof that this ball was overhanging. And all they can do is like, look at someone's like zoomed in cell phone shot. And so like, from there, it's really hard to be like, it's really hard to not be like, yo, this is bullshit. What are you talking about? And especially, and I will stick up for the American team,

like they weren't necessarily like, they didn't do the job to stop, like this is, like they weren't extinguishing the fire, but they also weren't like pouring gas on the fire. Like this didn't, it didn't buy, ran it by my reporting, this didn't start with the US team and they didn't encourage it. And what I will say, we were also standing very close to,

I don't know, of a pretty like, not a media conversation, but like, watching Nelly come off the golf course, talking to Pat Hurst, like their first conversation was basically like, what am I supposed to do? What am I supposed to do? And even I heard Pat say like, so there's no way we can give back that ruling, right?

Or there's no way we can overturn this or it doesn't matter what we say. Like there's nothing we can do. Like Nelly looked truly gutted for that to happen. Yeah. I don't know much about Nelly. I don't know her personally or anything, but she looked. I just want to get out in front of the idea that this was the US being shifty or shady or doing something weird and trying to pull one over because because that was very, they were visibly like not into it after the round.

If we're getting out in front of bad takes or rush takes, we could do the worst one of them all. Please. The absolute worst one of them all. Well, they could have conceded the next hole. For sure. For easy even on them and give it back to them. Excuse me, Mr. Official.

I don't even call pass interference back there But I probably had passed me for you. So go ahead and give them the first down Because you know you know I I interfere on that. What also is tough is like Especially at that stage of the match. It's tough. I do get the like come on. Just use common sense I get that end of it, but like, I don't want to sound like a, you know, it's fun to be that guy. I'm in on being that guy a lot of the time, but just like, dude, you have to have black and white rules.

The game is the game. Like imagine, imagine if the rules were just like, like imagine how much everybody hates rules officials now, and all they do is interpret what's already written down. Imagine if the ruling was truly just like, well, we're gonna confer, and then we'll just kind of give you like our gut feeling of what we think. Like, you think that would be a less confusing system?

Like, fuck that. What are you talking about? So it's just a shitty situation. Sucks for Madeline. I think it kind of sucks much to a much lesser extent for the American team, but. Because they wanna match in a Soulheim cup, and there was no joy on their faces.

Yeah, exactly. It just was kind of like, God. And it tell like she was like, it was weighing on her, right? It lingered over the, like we're following them. That was kind of right when we picked them back up. We followed them for first seven or eight holes, and then we picked them right back up on 13.

After, of course, getting a little lunch. Boy's got to eat. No, that was our cake. That's right. But there was kind of a paw over the group after that happened. Like, no chatter, no energy. They got frosty. Yeah, it was real frosty.

Comments from Madeline Sackstrom officially. I don't know if this was on TV or what, but I don't know what the question was, but it says, no, I felt like it was awkward. From my point of view, it was awkward. Yeah, we had a cozy match before 14, at least I think she means 13, but we got in that little argument with Nelly on that T-Box.

It was unfortunately. Because she obviously knew it was not going to go in, but the rules are rules, so that's what she wants to follow. Yeah, it was a little awkward afterwards. Which, maybe in the moment it's different, but based on kind of hearing the conversation with the rules official after, it's not like the US could have been like, no, no, no, no, no, like don't enforce this rule.

Yeah. That's just not how it works. It's not how it works. Sure. And you don't, it's not equal to go give up the next hole, right? That you might go win. Like there's five holes left in the match at that point. Like you're not conceiving a hole back to make it even.

That's not the, a rule was broken, right? It was deemed that a rule was broken, like, does it look shitty? Like, almost all of these rule situations in some way are gonna end up like looking pretty murky, right? And, but if we can agree on, yeah, you can debate whether it was overhanging, and if you are committed to it not overhanging, I just like don't believe you, like, I don't, you don't have high-tech camera to that extent.

You don't have a Pylon cam, you don't have a chip in the ball to know if it was, but if it's in doubt, then you probably have to let it sit there, right? Even then, what if it would've rolled a little bit further so that it was overhanging or hadn't come to rest? Like, it just don't touch your bonus ball. I think that sucks. I think that's true.

I think like two things are true. I think the battle in absolutely obviously in retrospect, you're not a toucher ball. I think that's true. I think like two things are true. I think Madeline absolutely obviously in retrospect should not have touched your ball. I also think like I just, I can't fault her almost though because I'm positive in her mind. It's not going in. Yeah. And it's like, I don't think she would have picked it up if she saw it over hanging. Right. Totally. We've all played enough golf. You can see where her ball is going. Oh, is it going in?

Yeah. I don't know. That's what's tough for me is I just default to her. She had the best view. She's the one that was in the middle of it. And I've never seen her that worked up in the moment. No, she was pretty hot with the rules officially. No, that ball is not going in. It was not hanging. She was, yeah, in tears on sky, in sky interview.

I think that's what's interesting is like they can go to TV and overrule like, you know, the only thing that makes golf interesting is like it's a gentleman's, general woman's game, you know, and it's like, at what point do you trust the player in the intent? I think there's an interesting discussion there. Yeah, it's just, yeah. I honestly don't, it's a shitty situation, but I don't feel the rules official, I don't think.

No, I think they applied the rules. It's just one of those things. It's like everybody can wipe their hands out. Totally. But nobody feels good about it. Exactly. That's exactly what I said. And I think from the Europe perspective,

and we talked to a bunch of people in and around the team with Europe, and of course nobody, I think if that were sitting here, they would feel very different. But also, there's something to be said, this is going to be very sports talk radio. But there's something to be said for just having the chip going tomorrow. For sure. You know what I mean?

I'm with Ira in the Duce right now. We're going to sports talk radio this. If they go into tonight, just being like, that's bullshit. And they stole one from us. That's so much different than just like, oh, they almost got one. But it just adds a ton of fuel that was like not there before that happened. And Matt all had the comment afterwards,

like saying something along lines, if I don't know, I think I'll let my team down. And like, God, that's like, what's not the story of the day? Like it's a shitty situation, but she also played awesome for the most part. That was the whole, every part that I saw. She sat out the morning session, the four-sem session, and it came out in four ball.

It came out birdie the first two holes against, you know, the world number one. Like, it looked like, we were kind of saying like, yo, that one's like chill. It's just an ex-adjusting. Just trying to have a good time. Oh, make sure he gets to the 15th hole. Very fun day. Great, yeah, I was just like to put a bow on it, you know, the

Sohan Cup as an event, like this is the best thing that could have happened. I think was painted blue the afternoon up until this point was was leaning blue. The crowds were a little jabby. There wasn't like something to talk about. There was no big story. And then this comes along. And I'll say it was close in the morning until the mail-in ballots came then it

turned. That's true. That's true. That's really we can go into those. It's yeah, it's such a good situation though for just what you said, like us against the world, right? Foreign soil, like none of their fans are here. They feel like they got a bad ruling. I would love to be in that team room tonight. Well, there's very much a lot of, and that's all it had to take for it to become personal admit.

Yeah, exactly. Well, there's something, I don't know if we want to transition, but it's something about the crowd talking to some people kind of, again, like TV people. We talked to a lot of people today. It was actually like, that's another great thing about the Soul Hunt Cup is like, there's just like, I don't know, call them like sources or whatever.

There's just like informed people walking around everywhere. It's fucking awesome. The energy is so grand. Yeah, so you're constantly like soaking up great tidbits and whatever. There's fucking awesome. The energy is so grand. Yeah, the energy is so grand. Yeah, the energy is so grand. Yeah, the energy is so grand. Yeah, the energy is so grand. Yeah, the energy is so grand.

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Yeah, the energy is so grand. Yeah, the energy is so grand. Yeah, the energy is so grand. Yeah, the energy is so grand. Yeah, the energy is so grand. Yeah, the energy is so grand. Yeah, the energy is so grand. like a Ryder Cup crowd, where like I've never been to a Ryder Cup, but I can certainly project and imagine that when you're there, like it's fairly hostile, there's enough

euros to like, rile up the Americans, so that you're constantly like, lobbing, you know, cheers back and forth, and it feels like I would assume a little chipier and a little like, a little more personal and a little more invested, and like, especially when the like the US is getting your ass kicked, that was not the case today. It's almost, this is weird, but it's almost like, like the fans are almost like too conscientious. Like it's almost a little too, like, I just hope everybody has a good time, you know?

And it's like so just pleasant and like not cynical and fun and like positive that it's a very different atmosphere than, you know, it's gonna be a little harder for the Americans to just like draw on the crowd. I disagree with that last part because it was kind of like, when they, when they get momentum going. I was gonna say, when they had their big moments,

like it would got loud. And it was like, they're ramping them up. And it was, that just that what that fervor isn't there, or that like desperate need to win from the crowd was actually a healthy environment. But it almost be like on the men's side it like works against the US team a little bit like how intense it is and almost how like you need to get the talent for the crowd. And this is like a much more encouraging and like supportive crowd I think. It was great to start the day off with Daniel Kang, first T-Ball.

She's trying to do the bubble lots. It's like, come on. I don't know. I want you to cheer while I'm hitting. And then it all kind of like, is super loud on the first T. And then it kind of died down. And then it just got like, weirdly quiet. She had to back off.

And it just keeps going. Please keep trying. It was just, what do you guys think of the first T scene this morning? I think the first T is really cool. Yeah, it's wide, it wraps around. It's obviously the first and 10th T. It's gone. It's just a really cool setting.

Like, and I think a lot of that's like the course. I think they did a really good job fitting the grandstand to the course and making it a unique first tee. The couple of things that are interesting talking to we're asking Michelle Wee how it kind of compares to other SoulHum cups. First, as we mentioned, first SoulHum cup for all of us, we don't really have a good bevy of context here, but she was saying like Des Moines was so loud because the grandstands were so tall. On top of the players. And here I think maybe it's just because it's the double tier, whatever, but it's so much wider, it looks probably so much more impressive, but it also kind of affects the audio.

It's harder to make it quite as loud. I just love how much the players embrace it, and they look like they're genuinely having fun versus being like deathly nervous, which I feel like a lot of Ryder cups, you can just see like one or two guys are just like, oh my God, that guy, like he's so nervous, he can't spit. And I feel like 90% of the time that I say, I got chills, I'm exaggerating, I happen to be twice today.

I'm like cheers, like once people started going or coming into the arena and stuff, it was just like, we've been been a fair amount of LPGA events. And like the scale of like the Soulheim vs. Normal PGA event is even greater than the scale of Ryder Cup to PGA event. You know what I mean? Like the men are used to having big,

mostly big crowds at a lot of golf tournaments. The women are not, even like their majors, don't get this kind of like support around it and noise around it. And that part is just, I don't know, it just, they embrace it and they had so much fun with it. They're waving at people and it just is like the best vibes. It looks like Ryder Cup honestly looks so freaking intimidating and nerve-wracking that I would never want to hit a shot.

And like today I was like, I want to play this and God this was fun. It was so much fun. It really does. And I don't know. I was so impressed. I had such blast and I'm struggling for words really to strive in. We talked to Michelle, we west.

And it's funny. This is her first time being an assistant captain. We're like, how did it feel being in a captain this year as opposed to playing in one of these? Honestly, it was great. It was great not being on the first team feeling like I wanted to puke. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And on another note, we asked Michelle, we about bubble Watson being here. And like, saw the look on her face of like, no, he's been great. He's been super helpful. Like, does what you're doing. And not just every knee, it was players, like, Cad's been great. He's been super helpful. Does what you're doing? It's never in the news. Yeah, players, caddies, like. Talk to bottom. Everybody was like, no, no, no, no.

He's like, this is not like a performance thing. No, no, no. He like, lent the LPG as many vans the other day because they needed to move some shit. He's philanthropic. He's plugged in. He's carrying stuff for caddies. He's like, he's given advice, which we get.

Maybe even two plugged in. I heard a little hot hip, maybe from a source that, maybe he was asked, or I think there was some European inquiry into whether he's given too much advice because he's not an official assistant captain, I don't know if he's allowed to do that. So, he's in the air piece, he's like fist bumping players in between holes, and listen,

I don't know if we want to have it out with our bubble takes or whatnot, but like there was a time where this would have felt very performative, fake and whatnot and that is not the sense I get and I don't know, I've come around at least partially if not all the way on Bubba, I think he has grown up a lot and I just I don't have the energy, I don't think to dislike him anymore. Well, I think that fact that he's out here doing this like truly, I don't have the energy, I don't think to dislike him anymore. But Vecta, he's out here doing this, I don't see a play here for him, necessarily.

Well, we're asking him to direct link as that he's sponsored by Ping and its Soulheim Cup, whatever. We're asking some people inside the team, so why is he doing this? I think a big part of it was his daughter's just getting in the golf, and he just wanted to have his family in this environment for the week. Awesome, man.

I mean, good for him. On a weekend where the tour championship gets moved to the soul. The soul, when the Ryder Cup change dates, the tour changed their schedule. I got this from Jeff Shackleford. I assume it's to be true. The tour shifted its schedule so that the tour championship would be opposite the soul time cup, which sucks. I remember they got a strategic alliance though.

Exactly. Great to have, yeah. I'm not gonna ride for the tour in that scenario, but I can't imagine what the last 18 months has been like for the tour either, trying to move their schedule around. So I imagine there's a lot of stakeholders to keep happy there, but it sucks.

But it sucks. Yeah, I don't know. So for me, I think on the Bubba to be here in supporting it, it's like one, seeing him in this't know it's so i think i'm about to be here and supporting it is like one seeing him in this environment it's like oh my god how much what a mixed event makes sense like seeing the the intertwining of these top professionals that don't ever cross paths in anything and i know

physically upset that the president's cup is not a mixed mixed team event and i this is there's no like, or most of all people stop thanking us for coming here. Like we genuinely enjoy this. I guess so much fun to watch the women play. And like imagining that intertwined is, that's just what the women's game needs for people to like recognize,

how much fun and how good these are. Well, going back to Michelle Weath, like she was saying, like, he knows really cool about having Bubba here. He's like, I can just ask him like, how to hit shots. Like, just the fact that like, even the best players in the world and the women's side

are still asking these dudes for game advice for all kinds of different, like, different ways they see the course, different course management stuff. Apparently Bubba's been in talking about a lot of like, no, like, don't hit that club, hit this club, like, more like in the team room type stuff, like coming up with strategy and it's just, I don't know, man, it's,

which apparently is strategy. You just been like, oh, yeah, bomb it down there. I hit just bombing you. I would take those bunkers out of the play. What are you doing? Some of this by my category. And I think going back, you kind of alluded to some of the, you know, villainous, uh, bubble moments from the past.

I said that this morning, I think a lot of that's just, we had no idea what kindous Bubba moments from the past. I said that this morning, I think a lot of that's just, we had no idea what kind of villains were coming down the pipe that it was a true context, lack of context, you know. Yeah. And that was, he'd been in years ago, he brought some on himself and I, I love dumb stuff.

I've come all the way around. Like this has been kind of the icing on the cake. Seeing him pose for like every selfie with... To every interview, every college... A college golf team, high school golf team down to like small... Like it's gotta be like honestly, it's gotta be exhausting for him. And it's... You know, a two-time master's champion taking time.

You can't understatestate how great that is. And one of the things that almost every woman that comes on our podcast says of, like a little support from the men is great. Mentioning us on social media is great. You mentioned it earlier today. It's like, the tour championship is what it is. At least that ends on Sunday, right?

And Monday, like, dude, Monday needs to be all about the so-hump cops. And it's from some tour players. And the PGA tour, if you have a strategic alliance, like, tweet some stuff. Like, just get, tweet the coverage windows out. They get two million followers on Twitter, like, give, like, throw them a freaking poem. Yeah. Let's talk about a little bit more of the golf today.

Yeah, let's start with the thing that's for ourselves. Let me start with something from, we're talking to Grant Boone, a friend of the program. He does a great job with the TV broadcast, obviously, he does a ton of LPGA action. We're talking about the, I'm going to boom-rank this all the way back into an actual point, but we're talking about the setup of like, what do you put first for some foreball and he mentioned in conversation, I think Beth Daniel was a previous captain who had set up to have foreball in the morning and for some in the afternoon.

And the reason she said she did that was to basically have her rookies and anybody who might feel uncomfortable. Like, go out in the morning, play your own ball, and then we can see who's playing great, and then we only take the really good players and we put them in forces and like dude I cannot stress how much that would have helped the US today right of course. Otherwise for some it is the hardest format in golf and you're just basically that kind of flying blind hoping some people are going to play well. Yeah. The amount of say you should just sacrifice the

four ball event but it's just there's so much more margin for error When you have another teammate playing their own ball, right? You can hide a bad player a little bit better than you can in the four sims So what I'm getting at with all that is it seemed like the US had some weird pairings in the four sims And I don't want to go. Yeah, I don't claim to be you know an expert But just seeing like like the I mean the big glaring would be seeing Lizette Salas sit, especially seeing her play awesome in the afternoon. She seems like a player who doesn't miss a fairway, doesn't miss a green.

And like when you're playing for sums, all you want, like the most experienced player on the team too. Yeah, even par today in For sums, even one, two over, probably would have been a bloodbath of win. There was a lot of holes holes one with bars, right? And all you needed to do was to hit the fairways, hitting greens, and on this, I mean, was that ended up playing great in the the foreball as well?

That was awesome. It's like, man, if you're going to sit her for a match, it just seems like the, you know, she doesn't hit it as far as a lot of her teammates. She's hitting a lot of longer clubs into a lot of elevated firm-ass greens.. Like it just seems like the format where you're trying to make more birdies would have made more sense for her to sit. So hopefully she plays the ForSums tomorrow for the American. I got pairings if you want them. 715 AM, Georgia Hall, Madeline Sagsstrom, versus Danielle Kang and Austin Ernst.

Yeah, these are ForSums. Next match, Charlie Hall Hall and Emily Christine Peterson Peterson Peterson. Petterson versus Lexi Thompson and Brittany Altamari. Mel Reed and Leonima Gwire versus Nelly Corta and Alli Hewin. They broke up the court, is that's I think we can talk about that. We have some inside in film. Yeah, it sounds like maybe Jess is not not playing.

Jess is not in love. Not feeling great. Jess is not in love. Not feeling great. Jess is not feeling great. Anna Nordquist and Matilda Castrin against Lizette Salas and Jennifer Cup Show in the final group. So. Is that new? Cup Show?

That's a good chair. Cup Show was good. She was good today. That's a nice pairing. She hits it far. So she was smashed. I've never watched her play before. So to follow up on the morning, the only thing I wanted

to point out was the only other thing I think where you can maybe poke holes was just sitting Yolimi now, just because she's probably on the best form of just about anybody, not named Nelly Corda, on the American team. And I think where that was really brought to a start light was you saw Katrina Matthew start two rookies Tony and they both got her points this morning and you know getting them out there having them perform well I thought that was a big omen and a big blessing

for Team Europe. Shout out to the Irish lands, of course, because Leon McGuire, of course. Fantastic today. She's fun to watch, man. Nails, short game, Midotona, just short, like a whole havers, you know, just a lot of knee knocker. She was fun to watch. And it's got a lot of, like, she's got a lot of compete in her.

Yeah, I like the way she goes about it. And it's just like it's just absurd. But also to watch legit the chipping's not good. It's not good. That was on was that 17 I think their match was kind of started to come down and that was a true thrill when we went to watch a chip could have watched a gym. Yeah, when we out at Lafgoin' Shorten had a tough, tough, yeah, watching her, or until the side.

Until the, yeah, she played well too. I got, I really liked the Euro team. Well, it was really interesting that the morning for sums, every match went to the 18th hole. Which is so rare. You know, they've made a big deal about switching nine and 18 because it was like, well, nine such a, or the usual 18th hole is such a good hole. It's making it 9 so everybody gets

there and it's like, oh man, can you imagine it like the 9 green this week is such a good green. Oh my God. Let's talk about Inverness. This place. Dude, it's ready to, ready to host a US women's open, like tomorrow. That was a direct quote from when we might be able to break some news. Sounds like, you know, let's break a rumor. How about the rumor? We're breaking a rumor that,

I would say strong rumor. It sounds like the 20, 26 US women's open, heading right here at Inverness, which is fascinating for a lot of reasons. I think, like we said, it is, I mean, it's an absolute test of golf right now. And I think what you see at the Ryder Cup, especially American Ryder Cups,

is true like birdie fests, and that does get crowds going, and it does get a lot more probably energy in the atmosphere, just kind of in the environment. But if you are a golf junkie, a golf sicko, like there's gonna be proper ass golf play the next two days on this golf course.

It is like probably gonna go a little and appreciate it because TV is gonna flatten out these slopes and like I was walking with Daniel Kang in the afternoon chatting about it and she just taught me like, I got to 18, I was in the left rough and somebody's like, stuff went in there. Literally, yeah. It is so firm and coming out of the rough

and the way, like the spin rates for even the top women in the world just don't, like they don't match what we're used to watching from the men and like they can't stop the whole green. That was a big takeaway for me. It just don't hit it high enough. Right, it's just, it's not. But even from the fairway.

I was just roaring. Even from the fairway balls were bounding and like the little nuances and knobs that are putting these pins on, there was definitive spots around these greens you did not want to be. And maybe like, I wish people could really see what is the really the ninth,

but really the 18th of playing is the ninth this week, of like, what, why we get upset when like you see a golf hole, they just has tall, rough around it and it's very flat, it's like, it's pretty easy shots. You can bounce one on, you can kind of trundle one on, and we watched after Brittany Alhtamari almost killed Randy with her approach.

I tried to get, I tried to insert myself in the stories. Lexi is on a downslope with a gutter like between her and the green, and I raised that she has to fly to get up on the green. There was no bump shot available nothing like that has to fly that onto a straight down slope out of an unpredictable lie and she tried to flop it and she got a little too much ball goes over the green she makes double bogey and all if you just unpack the shots that were required to get close to that hole

They missed way right with the second shot why they miss way right why the second shot They missed the t-shot left in the rough And Brittany Altamari had no shot into that green. And just like, you want emphasis on accuracy out the tee, you've got that out here. And even once you have that, you've got to play the smart shot into these greens. It is thrilling to watch the women like try to unpack these golf holes.

And I'll say like, I hope that I know like a lot of people won't. But like if you take the comment Well, they don't they just don't hit it high enough as like Conidation totally it's absolutely not the the reason why The the women's game at a course like this you can truly see It's like throwback. It's like golf how it's supposed to be played. Like if you're sick of watching bomb and gouge golf, like, this is it. Here it is, this is it. Like this is it. You got to position yourself, you got to think about trajectory,

you got to think about your rollouts, like it is so much fun to watch. We were the first shots we saw today was Nellie Corda on the fifth hole. She does hit it, I know. Well, she does, but she hit this shot, like as soon as she made impact, he just goes, oh shit. How accurate it was and like, her, like going at this back right pin with this knob in the way and the shot she hit in there was like, how do you ever miss hit a shot? Like with that swing. And it is just a, I don't know, it's been a blast. I cannot wait for that. The only thing I'll say,

not to be cynical or negative, we can talk about this on maybe our Monday night podcast, but I don't know, absolutely thrilled the SoulHung cups here. I cannot wait to watch the last few days. I think in person it's gonna be phenomenal. I hope the excitement translates to TV. And I think there's probably a conversation. I think it is a fucking no-brainer US women's open golf course.

I think it is so perfect. It is a true like major chabie chip test. I think there's a conversation to be had for what you want for a team event like this. And do you want for sure? The kind of golf courses that we don't enjoy watching. You know what I mean? I'm trying to stay at the right way.

I'm gonna have a blast watching it. There's an outweigh. I'm not sure saying. For casual golf fans, there's not gonna be in Sunday singles is gonna be a proper test of golf. It's not gonna be a lot of people sticking in clothes. Yeah. They're exceptional shots that end up 12 feet from the whole.

There's gonna be a ton of two-foot bars. Yes. But it's what forcams is so much fun to watch. Like, bars are a great score. And there's a lot more ties on holes in four ball. I would assume I don't have the numbers in front of me on that, but like forcams, I have in two balls and play as a thrill. I can't wait to get back here tomorrow morning. So just putting a bow on the afternoon play then we obviously talked about the first match out,

Alli-Uing and Ellie Corta against Madeline Sackstrom and Nana Kurtz-Madson. We were able to follow then. We saw a lot of the Lizette Salis. Yeah. Who was she playing with? Jennifer Cup Show. Yeah, okay. What a moment for Lizette on 18? Oh, so good. Just absolutely. And her ship in Eagle on eight. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's a duff the wedge made the birdie. Absolutely gamer. Yeah. She can peel my team any day. Yeah. The one match we really didn't see any of, and it ended early was casturing in Norquist. Yeah, just vanquishing.

Yeah, just vanquishing. Yeah. You should've stuck with your take on Mina Haregaid. As a captain's pick. I know. I just didn't want, I don't know if, you know, obviously she must not have played that well. I think Lexi is from what I heard

was struggling. Yeah. Um, these conditions should be really good for Lexi. And then that final match was was right down to it too. With the Georgia Hall and Leon and McGuire getting a point in the last match. Got Georgia Hall shot into 18 to again. That's one of those words. Like you probably didn't appreciate how you got us on top. You got us on top of the wind and gotten off. It was like a 20-watt for our wind. Yeah, it was going there at the end. It judged the run out, judged the flyer

to get to a back pin with a shot. That was one in 50 shot to get one to stop on that top shot. She did it to win the match. So the Brittany Altsmore played pretty well for the American team. Totally. Americans, I mean, it's tough when you,. So, I'm Brittany Altsmore, I played pretty well for the American team. Totally. Americans, I mean, it's tough when you, you know, I know everybody kind of favored them coming in and I think on paper they were heavily favored, but, you know, like Daniel

Kang didn't play great today, if Jess is a little under the weather, Laxi didn't play great, like that's, you know, that's pretty big hits to your team. The Europe, like honestly, the word I keep coming back to, is like, it's like they just cruised. Everything looked pretty easy. What's crazy is I was getting ready to say of Europe's five and a half points. Well, five match victories.

Four of them came on the 18th hole, which you think about just kind of the, what is it, the vagaries of match play? Sure. Like, just, you know, kind of the, the, what is it, the vagaries of Matt right? Like, you know, just something here there and that could be at least, you know, two more points for the American squad. So while it does look like five and half two and a half, like, oh, it was kind of an ass kicking, it was, but it also like, it kind of wasn't also weird. Weird day. Very 2012, Medina singles, like where the Europe got 17 and 18 and just all day.

9 of 10, something like that in 2012, but that's the feeling out 18. They came in one down in a couple matches there on 18, but like that. Almost everything got to 18 today, which is wild. What was your moment of the day? Biggest takeaway. God, just being there in the moment as the rules conscious. As a shit was going down. We're in the shit. Exactly. I want to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm going to do the shit. I'm the full row of people. It kind of looks like whatever the whole is at Detroit Golf Club. Are they encased it almost? And it's just a great atmosphere.

I have to put it in the 3-1-3 challenge. Of course, people are in great moods. We're having a blast. I cannot wait for the next two days. What does the US have to do tomorrow? It's good to know how it gets a point. Yeah, for sure, score more points. I think that's the big one.

I mean, split at worst, right? Like if it's... Here's what I'll say. There's been eight points awarded. 20 more to go. Yeah, for sure score more points. I think that's a big one. I mean split it worse, right? Like if it's here's what I'll say There's been eight points awarded 20 more to go. Yeah, we're not very far into this thing. So early I would say the history of the Dominies the singles sure I'd say it's a coin flip right now Yeah, that's stuff you asked though. Yeah, you had to put money on a winner did today shift your opinion at all Would you think you're up up favored from your own out?

God big that's a really that's a good one. It does feel a little coin flipy to me to be honest I I was not as down on Europe, you know the easiest thing now that they play great I was not as down on Europe as a lot of people seem to be they could looking I don't know They have a lot kind of got so many good They could, looking, I don't know. They have a, no, kind of got so many good players. So much more depth to you. Like that's the thing. Colorous and gondas.

The man's in one of the side is always, oh, the Europeans like, you know, they're great at the top and they don't have that much depth. Like, like 12 really good players, man. New odds. Europe minus 130, USA plus 140. I was gonna say, man, it's pretty close. Pretty close to a flip.

I was getting ready to say like with the performance of Europe's rookies, like, I think that almost does it for me. I guess where you gotta think of them as a favor now because it's like, you know, they're in this rider, they're in this slime. Oh, we almost made it. I know, I know. I know, I know. I do wonder if, you know, just go back they're in this right, they're in this slime. Oh, we almost made it.

I know, I know. I don't even know. I do wonder if, you know, just go back to what I was saying earlier. I wonder if Danielle and Lexi and Jessica Corta are all gonna not, you know, I don't know if they're gonna have two more days where they're all not like, hopefully. You know what I mean? And I think, yeah. I think it's gonna be close, man.

I think it's gonna be really, really close. The problem is you got like, mean a hair game, doesn't have a point. And if she goes tomorrow without getting a point, you'll leave me no, obviously didn't get one today. You know, it's just that like, totally. If that carries over into singles, all of a sudden, you know, are they, you know,

can we count on them? Yep. Boys, I'm excited. Let's go find out. Thanks for tuning in. I hope you excuse any interruptions or audio mishaps as we record this in a tunnel next to the first tea we're just trying to bring you the content this was ad free so I don't feel bad at all and we'll be back we'll do a Sunday recap pod

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