No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 487: Max Homa recaps the Shriners

Episode Date: October 11, 2021

Max Homa joins us to (belatedly) celebrate his win at the Fortinet Championship, share his thoughts on the winning process on the PGA Tour, Sungjae Im, Matthew Wolff, Jin Young Ko's win on the LPGA Tour, Phil on the PGA Tour Champions, as well as some listener questions.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Sunday night here, not in the killhouse, Sally here calling in from the mountain time zone. Big Randy, hello, big. Hey, good evening. Really happy to be here. I hope you're doing well, Sally. And then America's favorite podcast. He has as many tour wins now as he does podcast appearances probably today. That is Max Homa. Max are you mad at us for not covering your win at Napa on the podcast? Not even a little. I didn't expect anybody to cover it.

There were people clamoring wondering if it was a real golf tournament. So you guys are top of the top. I wouldn't expect you guys to go to in depth on the tournament. So you guys are top of the top. I wouldn't expect you guys to go to in depth on the tournament. People were calling the Fortnite Championship, which was Fortinet Championship. So no, I was not at all bothered. I listen to you guys podcast every week. I did not need a recap of my own tournament. There were people calling for an emergency pod. I was like, you know, you don't understand how ridiculous it was that we got you to call in after the winter Riviera It's that was a once a what's it a lifetime thing, but what's what's life like as a as a three-time winner now?

Does it what is this win-do for you? Oh, man It's just so wild the third one, you know They say three you know third times the charm and you know now. I'm just living the high life taking helicopters instead of rental cars Just living in like three-story sweet-to-oh-tell rooms. It's just a wild wildlife now. That's cool, man. I'm so happy for you Hey, Big, we didn't get to see how to get here. What time zone are you in? I hear Sali's in mountain No, Randy's in the mountain time zone. That's a's in the mountain times, that's how I introduce ratings. I don't want to give away his location. Oh, I see.

Sorry. We'll do it times after. Yeah, we can do that offline. No, honestly, I was, I, I like have forgotten. I mean this in the best possible way, Max, but it's like I've kind of forgot already that you won a PGA tour event a couple weeks ago. And I think that just speaks to how well you've played and kind of the ascension that you're on. It's like it's, I don't want to say becoming routine, but man, it's really cool. So I mean that in the best possible way where winning is kind of getting boring for you,

which is when you know you've arrived. It wasn't as excruciating to watch as a fan of yours, because it was like, there was more trust there, I guess, if you will. I was like, oh yeah, it wasn't like a panic inside. I hear that, yeah, that's kind of how it felt to it. I mean, LA is kind of a tough one because it was, you know, my ultimate favorite golf tournament. But, uh, so it was obviously never going to live up to that. But. And playing Finau down the stretch, I mean, ultimate killer there. Yeah. the Ryder Cup 81 to play off events. So I feel like, I feel like you kind of got to walk it back.

We had a, me and you had a deep debate. I was very profan out at the Killhouse during the players championship and you were very not obviously. No, I have and we don't need to relegate that, but I was very nervous. I wouldn't mind. I was very nervous watching Riv, though, for that reason.

Wait, did you say I have, as in I have walked it back? I apologize. You always ask me to apologize. I always apologize. It was like pulling teeth, Max, as you might imagine. Yeah, it was like a backhanded apology. Oh, no, it was the back of the backhand. It was, it was, I don't even know how to describe

how weak the apology was, but I was going to say, if you think he should walk it back, you obviously have not been paying attention to how things go in the show. I want him to just go deep, or I feel like we all are, I mean, everybody comes on to be owned their apology if we've gotten in

and argue with Randy about Tony. Max, let me apologize to you specifically right now. Thank you, Randy. Yes, I would like to. Very big, you. So serious question, Max. As legit as a three-time winner now, do you think your next tournament you'll be playing the CJ Cup this week is your first time as a three-time winner? Will you walk around with a little bit of a different feeling about yourself at this tournament?

Yeah, I actually really think so. I think, I might know it's kind of silly, but you win one time, I think, you know, obviously a lot of people won one time. And I was just actually listening, I know we'll talk about, I was just listening to Sungjae's interview after the Shriners, and he said that second win is really hard because I think you know you should do it when more, like a lot faster, and obviously it's just as hard, if not hard, you start playing in, you know, tough field, I guess, for the majority of the season. So when you get the second, it's like, okay, it's almost like a relief. And then you start to feel like, okay, you know, this isn't a fluke, obviously.

I don't think that the third was near as hard, right? I think the third is like that building block to like, okay, there's people who win. And then there's like winners, I guess. And you start to feel like, hey, I could kinda, if I play well, it's very obvious to myself now that if I play well, it's good enough to get going. The thing for me is I guess that walking around

is gonna be helpful because the big events I haven't done, I mean like these no-cut events, the limited fields, the majors, the WGC, those I haven't had very much success in. And I think maybe this will help me kind of walk around and feel a little bit more like, hey, I'm not just here because I won one event that put me in one, I'm here because my world rankings

get better because I'm, you know, winning at a better clip and getting top 10s. I've always thought that the players who get a ton of top 10s, it speaks more volume to their game than maybe just like, you know, winning three times, but, you know, mixing in some good finishes within those is good for the psyche, I guess. And I mean, no jokes, honestly, on this, but when we talk about the Tony Fino thing, or I know Zander hasn't won in a little while, minus obviously winning the Olympics,

it's like, you saw, I don't look at those people, any differently. If anything, I'm like, man, they are so good to put themselves in that position. Like, it's so hard to actually win. It's very, like, fickle to win. There's a lot that can go on. Some of them do just about 62 to win. It's not like Shank played bad. It's not like Wolf played bad. It's just somebody went out and grabbed it. And it's like, but you look at those guys are always near the top of the leaderboard. And like, I'm doing that

a little bit more. So I think even that this season, just like, okay, start walking around these events. Like the CJ Cup, we're going to have the best players in the world and be like, all right, you know, it's not a fluke you're here. Like you're, it would be, you know, it would be weird if you weren't in an event like this the way golf has been going for me lately. Was this one any different for you in terms of, I felt like it was 3rd and 4th round. You had a pair of 65s and just being in a position where, at one point did you start to sniff it and did it feel a little different than your prior two wins? It was only similar to RIV in the sense that I felt like I was chasing all weekend.

That was the only similarity and it wasn't similar to... Wells Fargo was like kind of the... it was different than the other two by a mile because I first off was way kind of over my skis I felt like and I didn't feel like I was like really belong but I knew I was playing really good so it's like a weird kind of battle there but I was also out in front and it was really only like a few horse race. Riff, I felt like, you know, chipping away, chipping away, chipping away, and I do, but I just kept doing that.

Like I needed a little help, I guess, but I could just keep kind of plugging. And of course, like that, like if you just don't make a lot of mistakes, someone is bound to just because I'm hard at it. And then this one felt different because in a lot of ways, but it felt a shade more routine and it actually felt like when I was going into Saturday's round, third round, I was quite a few back, but I felt like, hey, if I play well, like on the weekend, or if I play well on Saturday, I'm going to be in this golf tournament. And like that was a good feeling. I think that had been, I had a lot of help from like the other events I played well, especially like the Valspar playing really good

on Saturday to get into the mix. And even like, you know, Memorial was in the mix going into Sunday because of a good Saturday round. So I started to feel like, hey, there's not really a number you're too far back if you go out and play Gagol. And that's stuff that you just see with experience. So that's where it felt different.

And then once I played well Saturday, like, Sunday, I think I was two or three back, but I started to see like, hey, you're only like, there's only, they always said this about Tiger Mountain Days. Like, oh, he's six back, but there's only three people to pass. And it's like, that does start, you do start to see that's how winning becomes a little bit easier. Because when you have like six people to pass, six back, it's like, man, if any of those six people get kind of high,

it makes it very, you know, makes it exponentially harder. So in this case, I just had two guys, I think just Jim, uh, Jimmy Hardke and Mav were in front of me. And then I was tied with stalling to, uh, obviously, he's won a good amount on tour. So I was like, but if it was just, you know, three, four people, Taylor was behind me by like a stroke. So there was definitely some, but I felt like I had kind of, you know, as much chances the guys, you know, too ahead, just in a sense that, you know, some days are, you know, long marathon type stuff. So that's where felt different as I felt super comfortable and it felt a lot more routine. It felt more like I didn't feel like I was battling like a lot of emotions and a lot of. I don't know, just like battling myself. I felt like I was going out there and just playing to golf again. And like I had the day before and the day before that.

So it was like, just go play. So that was the fun part. I know the field wasn't amazing. I know it wasn't like some superstar-studded final round, but it was cool still that it felt more routine and a little bit more like, you know, go out and get you something. And like, that's kind of just what I did.

And that was fun, because that's, go out and get you something. And like, that's kind of just what I did. And that was fun. Because that's, you don't get that opportunity. Really, you know, that feels more like a, that's kind of how a feeling you get more in. Like when you're a little bit younger, where you don't feel like, you feel like, hey, if I go out there and play, I know the guys I'm playing, you know,

if I go out there and play, well, I think I can kind of, you know, do something special to, to, to, or think I can kind of do something special to, to, to, or I don't need to do something special to catch up. And that's how this felt. Whereas my first two, just because of not winning really much before obviously, it felt like I had to just be perfect. And like this one, I felt like I could just go play.

And it almost freed me up to play, you know, closer to like perfectish golf in a way. Our, our guys becoming a hunter. A certified hunter. I mean, honestly, that's that's awesome. It's a whiff, whiff, it's a being a killer. I literally said that. I mean, I, I have had a odd career as a whole in the sense I haven't been the most consistent player top 10 wise. This past year was finally like a bit, a bit more like that, but it has felt like, hey, you know, if I get near a lead at least I feel I do feel comfortable and I think that's a big like a good feeling to have. So I was kind of told myself,

like, you gotta go hunt down these guys and go get you, you know, some birdies and like, you know, that stuff, that's the stuff that I like when my, you know, brain it gets back into that mode because it is difficult in this sport because you win so infrequently, even everybody minus Tiger and Phil, really and maybe DJ, like, just you don't get the feeling of being around the lead a lot. And the fact that I've had a couple more chances this year, it's like, okay, you start to just the comfortability of being like around it, you don't, you start to learn like, you know, just and told me before I won Wells Fargo, I asked him for a piece of advice and that's what he said.

He's like, you don't need to go out there and do anything crazy. You don't need to be perfect. You don't need to do some special really to get it done. And you don't actually understand that till you do it. And it's like, I still felt like I felt a little bit like I did better job with that at a rib than even Wells Fargo, but at the Fortinet, I was very much like playing good golf, see where you can get to and you know, Bavric played amazing and it was just like you just got to go it's like you just got to be, you

know, like I said, a few less people on a Sunday and that helps because your eyes aren't looking at 50 people on the board. There's not a lot of change, you know, Maverick got out there and got was getting going and not making any mistakes. So it's a guy I. There's not a lot of change. You know, Maverick got out there and got, was getting going and not making any mistakes. So it's a guy. I gotta get to what he's at, you know, in six, seven holes. And it's like just keep making birdies, keep making birdies.

And then, yeah, so in a weird way, like you do kind of feel like you're hunting a little bit. And, you know, when you're playing good golf and you're starting to see some results, I guess that, like really lends itself to just being calm and playing. It would be like playing at home in a money game and you're two, three down through five and it's like, okay, game's so good, like go chase them down. There's not like a lot of panic, I guess, is the difference. The other two, I felt like I was, you're

really trying not to try hard. That's what I felt like I could just like play. That makes sense. No, I think that makes sense in terms of like, does it, I'm trying to think of the way to ask it, is it, it almost seems like the way you're describing it is a competitive nature takes over in that regard and it becomes more of a competition than it is about golf per se. I don't know if that makes any sense at all, but am I on to something? In a way, yeah, because I think, I think when you get into that mode, and I know you guys joke, and I joke about like

the match play situation, obviously it's not match play, but if you were to put yourself in an actual match play around, like you're super, super focused on each hole, and like your blinders are like way, way on. And I would imagine that's what Tiger did, you know, like he was winning all these golf tournaments, but it's very hard to do Thursday through Saturday. It's very easy just to play the big grand scheme of golf.

And when you get on a Sunday and you're near the lead, it's like every shot seems to just be heightened. Every hole seems like it's kind of like that. Do or die, but it makes your focus so much greater that it just becomes competition. You're not thinking about your golf swing, you're not thinking about your putting stroke. You're trying to get the dang ball in the fairway on the green end of the hole. And that's all that matters.

And in a cool way, it frees you up to be like this. So what you see, I think such cool stuff on Sundays to win golf tournaments, because you see people just allow their body to react the way that it can. And it's just one it's one of those things this is very, very difficult to do when the macro of a golf tournament on a Thursday

seems so big. And then on Sunday, it starts to feel like, oh, I'm real close. Like you said, like all of golf kind of goes away and it just becomes like, how do I make a birdie right now? If I got to make a 50 foot chip, I'ma make that. If I got to make a 10 foot putt, I'll make that. If I have to, you know, you know, hold out a bugger shot, I'll do that. Like you just get super locked into like

the actual like shot at hand in a way more so than ever before. Especially when you're too bad, let's say, with like seven to go, because then it just becomes like, how do I get the ball in the hole? And it's fun because then you just start to let yourself trust like all the practice and whatnot. That's when it kind of comes down to it because you're not going to find something with nine holes ago in your golf. So you're just going to keep, you've got to hit golf shots. You were, you were given a lot of props to Joe after the round. I think you called him a genius or you said, I don't know what it was specific was, you said about it. But I think there is, I guess, is there something to like win in contention? How important is it to have a

great player in his own right to help with the decisions, especially when the conditions are firm and like the way he's able to describe golf shots? Where you needed to land it seemed like it actually, I guess, of course, we understand the impact, but like it seemed like in that situation in particular, it was especially beneficial. Is that fair? Yeah. I do think for sure when the golf courses get firm, that's why I call them a genius really is,

because when the golf courses get firm, it's an amazing feel for what balls need to land and what they're gonna do on the ground. And we obviously don't play a ton of firm golf courses during the summer, but when we get out on the fall, they really kind of bake out because of the weather, and it was really, really firm all week in Napa and it was just, it's just nice to like have that soundboard to bounce them off of and him, you like, I have so a lot of trust in what he says. If he says, hey, this baldness is a land here, we get there

in a lot of the times, you know, it is right about what we needed to land it. And so it just, it breeds like confidence in what we're going to do because I don't have to like second guess it. There's not a lot of like, oh shoot, no, that was wrong. And if the next one, if we get that wrong, you know, all of a sudden it's a snowball. It's like, they're right, he's right a lot. Like, and he every time I've had a good tournament really, and especially the wins, he has always said something that I just felt like was really profound might be too deep a word, but it's just something that resonates. And even on Sunday on 17, I made a good putt, and I kind of like, I kind of, I don't like show a ton of emotion, and I kind of showed some emotion. I was very pumped up, and I walked over high five

Them and then he just like kind of whisper my ears like all right slow down like get ready for the next t-shot And it's like it's the littlest stuff like that that really helps because he let me have my low-mo me Let me be kind of like a you know peacock a little bit and then and then and then once I was done that He's like all right, you know, hey like you had it your fun was fun. Slow back down and like, let's go hit the farewell on 18 and it's like just a little of stuff with me and him is just like, it's very, that's why our relationship's really, really good and especially good on the golf courses because, you know, he wants to have all the fun in the world, but he also knows exactly what we should be doing to like succeed. And like when I listen, it does seem to go pretty well. All right, well, we brought you into recap.

The Shriners this week, I think all of us combined probably didn't watch a ton of golf this week. But SungJM, second career PGA Tour win, it seems the two wins that he's had, or the two strongest memories I have of him are when in contention that dude is aiming directly at the flag stick with zero inhibition for how big his lead is or the risk involved

with those shots. Is that the same thing you're seeing? Is that it look as crazy to you as it does to me? Dude, yeah, it's so funny, man. Like, he is amazing, like truly amazing. He works super hard and like it shows because I love course management. You love hearing you know somebody hit like this like you know sensible golf shot to like 20 feet right of a pin. But if I told you you're

gonna hit a two yard cut every single time like why would you aim away from the flag? And that's him like he does it really miss like it's really rare that he hits like a marginally bag off, right? He plays golf very similarly to Colin Moore-Cawa, where it's just like, yeah, if I hit it like you, I would just aim it like every pin. So that's what he does, and he's really good at it. So, you know, you get some of these events,

even, you know, Lacey was saying today, she's like, I can't believe he's only one two times. It's true, because you see his name, he's up there all the time because he doesn't miss and it's like it's frustrating how easy he makes a look And then you get days and weeks like this where it's just like it all I guess comes together I don't even know what would hold him back from winning more, but he does everything really good He ships in a lot. He's obviously an unreal ball striker and he puts a good, I don't know. He is a freaking nature. He's also, you know, super, super young, which is even more scary. So I don't know,

man, I would imagine the deeper he gets into a Sunday near the lead. He's like, man, I'm really not missing it. So I might as well go even more at the pin. Yeah. What that, so that was what I was going to bring up is good to know Lacey your wife Lacey and I are on the same wavelength. I couldn't believe this is on his second career win because he was such a darling to even win a major this year. You know, I think he was a name a lot of folks were were talking about as somebody to keep an eye on with the major breakthrough. So I do have any I know you're the I'm putting you on the spot, but the stats guy, like what, what is the hole in his game, or is it just, you know, a chalk it up to, to winning his, his difficult? And obviously he's very young. I was going to say one, he's 23 years old.

But I think this is a, is a bit of a sophomore slump this year. I mean, he, I'm kind of amazed, you know, at, I think this was his third top 10, maybe this was his fourth top 10 in the calendar year of 2021. Oh wow. And yeah, which, you know, he had that just insane run really as a rookie, which he was just a cash machine. I think there's a tweet out there somewhere

where I said that Sungjae may win $50 million on tour. And that's where we know that might be low. I mean, honestly, he plays. I think it's a tweet out there somewhere where I said that Sungjae may win $50 million on tour. That might be low. I mean, honestly, he plays. I think it might be low. He might break Jay Haas' record for most starts. I don't, he doesn't really take any rest. He just goes and plays golf all the time.

But yeah, his ball striking numbers like in 2021 were just not what you think. He was 65th in Stroke's game approach, which yeah, he just seems like he strikes the hell out of it. Also, going back to the president's cup, if I'm remembering right, he was just, he was pretty awesome with the wall striking at Royal Melbourne and kind of looked like he was taking the leap that we were expecting him to take. You know, he, who he is a lot like, honestly, is Charles Howell. In the sense that he will always be just a freaking ATM machine.

Like, I can't, you can never say how many wins I'm going to have because like I said, it's like, it's just like, it's random at some point, but he will always have good years, like always, because one, he plays a lot and two, he plays really well. And when you hit the ball like that, it's really hard. Even on weeks where like the putter gets cold, it's really hard to miss cuts and not dumb your way into like a five under par Saturday or Sunday to move yourself into contention when you hit it that well. Because at some point, like, you know, you'll make a couple 20 footers and then golf feels super easy. But like he doesn't, doesn't do enough to like make a lot of mistakes. And

like, I guess it's not like, and the reason I like it to Charles is it's not super flashy. It's just insanely impressive, but it's almost one of those where you have to like watch him all the time to realize how good he is. Because if you watch some J at one golf ball, you'd be like, oh, yeah, it's great. You know, but like I've seen that before. Watch a bit of hundred golf balls. You'll be like, dude, like, mess one up, man. Chill. We're trying to, mess one up, man. Chill. We're trying to have fun. We're trying to have fun out here, man.

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If I can ask you about something you just said about winning, being random. And I think I agree with that to an extent, but especially in regards to a guy like Morakawa who has won five times, you know, two majors, do you think there's randomness within a certain band for people? Like how, what's the scope of the randomness,

I guess is what I'm getting at? Or can we peg guys at certain levels pretty early in the early on in the process? I don't know if I'm asking that question correctly, but like, like, SunJM could maybe be, you know, he might win seven to 12 times. You know, maybe it's something else, but like how narrow can we kind of peg guys like with any kind of accuracy do you think? I think it, I think it, you could definitely do it.

Like, you know, I think there would be a pretty, you know, not easy, but like simple way to like, you know, say, hey, you know, this guy is going to win more than this guy. I, you would have to dive in the stats or whatever to figure out why I do think that maybe they're, it's hard, maybe there is like a killer hunter thing that some people have where like you know Collins already won five times and you look at obviously Dustin who's won 20 some odd times and it's like maybe there is something in there but I look at it as like

and not granted I have not played much with Sunday I've just watched him hit balls but when like I play with Colin like there's a possibility that when some days hitting it well, it hits a 7-0 to 10 feet and Colin hits it to 8. And it's something like when he's on, in my opinion, Colin, when I talk about Don't miss Galsha, like, Colin's hitting things stiff where people don't. And it's Colin's then, Colin then makes that extra putt that somebody else doesn't. So do I think like, some day just immediately jumps up to where Colin is right now?

I don't, obviously not like as far as wins go and Colin will maybe win like more than him. Obviously his trajectory is already kind of, it's moving that way, but at the same time, it's like if you keep putting yourself in position to win, I feel like you stumble into them more. And I do think, I don't, I use the word random, I guess, poorly, because I don't know what exactly that means.

I just know that it's, it's, there's factors outside of your control. You can't just go out and take it. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's things outside of your control. You can just take it. If you go out on a Sunday, you hit, let's just see you at 14 fairways. And they were all great drives, but you have 14 in between club shots. Like, I do think Tiger Woods is the best at that too. Like, even if it wasn't a perfect shot,

like he can dial that thing in, but there's also days where you just feel like every number you have is like this perfect stock number. It's like hard to mess that up, or every putt you have is like a right edge uphill, right left putt, and it's just like, man, like, you know, it just feels like it's easy, but I think that putting yourself in that position a lot,

if you're gonna win a lot of times, obviously, if you win one, two, three times, four times, like you can get that, the randomness kind of goes away, right? You're just gonna go, you're gonna go have your days, where like I just mentioned, where everything is just clicking, like in an overall area, like where it's just like, every facet just seems easy,

but if you're going to go when like the best players do which is a lot a lot you I think get really good at every area of the game so much so that even if things aren't lining up perfectly you make it work. So I do think that there's tears obviously look at something like Justin, Thomas, Jordan Speed, those guys have won a lot at a young age and it's like it just seems like even if the cards aren't really stacked the right way for them, they, you know, reshuffle it and figure out how to make it work to win. And I think that's it, that's a, that would be a tear where you can

look at like, hey, we all know like JT and Jordan, like they, they are closer to killers. I know you hate like giving anybody that whatever, but they're much closer to killers. I know you hate like giving anybody that whatever But they're much closer to killers than most anybody we see and that's because of those things Whereas like I feel like there's definitely a tier of people that Probably need the things to line up a little bit better for it's happening. It needs to be the right course It needs to be you know Taking it isn't to me a thing that very many people have and I think that That's the part of winning that is, in golf, it's very, very, like I said, random.

Like you get those days where just the things work, everything seems to work out. And I don't know, man, the best, like I said, the goats, if you will, like the generational talents seem to, they seem to just be like, hey, even if I don't have it, even if the numbers aren't working, if this wind feels bad,

I'm gonna figure out how to get the ball in the hole. I don't, I don't want to quantify that, but you just see it with the number of wins. Yeah, I know it's interesting. Like, I think that's what fascinates me most about following golf at this point is just the, the unanswerable, like, what really is in, like, like, what do players have in their control? Like, what do they control versus what's outside of their control in the grand scheme of things?

I just think it's endlessly fascinating. And I want to, the way I've kind of come to the conclusion on this, Max, I'm curious, your take on it is what has just happened is pretty, it is as simple as that, that's what happened. All right, that is not necessarily representative of who you are, what you are, and what you will be, right? Like if you did not end up, you know, making some clutchpots coming down the stretch at the fortnet and you don't end up holding a wedge, that really doesn't make you less of a player. But that's what happened. And when you're dealing with these statistical

like weird improbabilities of, you kind of need a shot like that hole out to win a PGA tour event. It's just like that's what happened. And you look at events that you've been very close at and you haven't done what you need to do to win. Again, that doesn't mean that you don't have that skill that you won't show what you need to do to win. Again, that doesn't mean that you don't have that skill that you won't, you know, show off that skill to

close in the future. It's just like, that's what happened at the 3M last year. Like you just didn't have your Sunday, you needed it. And I don't have a better way of phrasing it than that, but is that sound like on the path of something? Yeah, I have, I've actually thought about this before. So my, if golf term, golf term is just such like an arbitrary number, right? Four rounds, 72 holes. And I was talking to, I actually played golf with Marker Bannock, Fienauss Catti, like two weeks ago.

And we were talking about it, because he was kind of talking about, you know, how people, whatever, you have Fienauss hard time on not winning a lot. He's like, I just can't imagine someone being much better than Tony Fienauss golf. And I was like, dude, it's, you know, I think it just winning a lot. He's like, I just can't imagine someone being much better than Tony Finaugolf. And I was like, dude, it's, I think it just, you know, it's fickle. I would, I, you look at the top 10s, top threes, top twos,

in my opinion, much more than just like, hey, let's just put a hard, you know, number on how many wins they have. And that's how good you are. And so we were, I was joking with them. I said, you know, if terms for 71 holes, 73 holes, 75 holes, you know, if terms for 71 holes, 73 holes, 75 holes, you know, ran more random numbers,

it like everyone career would be upside down possibly. But the longer a golf term, it goes on, the more likelihood of the best player winning that golf term. And so we played a tournament that was six rounds long. And let's say John Rom and Dustin Johnson, Justin Thomas, and Bryce and Shambon, Brooks Capka and Fina, and all these guys were there. They would probably end pretty damn close to, like, that would be the top five order. Like, that's what the proof of best players in the world arts, longevity, its consistency, it's all those things.

And I use that because at Q-school my rookie year, we had six round Q-school now it's four for the final stage. And Justin Thomas had four rounds, was not in it. And then Justin, after the next two days, does get in it. And it's like for the final stage and Justin Thomas after four rounds was not in it and then Justin after the next two days does get in it And it's like yeah if you keep letting the tournament go on that best player will Work his way towards the top because everyone else's average is going to Go back to the mean and like the best player in the world's average is much higher than the next player best player in the world's average And then so on down so it's like I I just think that like the randomness or sorry the arbitrary number of holes we play which we worked out perfectly. It's very exciting but it also doesn't it lends

itself to the best player winning. It's still like if we play nine more holes like you're going to put your you know you're going to put your car or you're're gonna put your chips in with the best player ranked up. They're like, we're watching, you know, we're friends with Adam Shankin and Lacey's friends with his wife and we're watching, you know, yesterday see the leaderboard on my ghost, Jenks winning, and she's like, oh my gosh, like blah blah. And then we like, you know, we always joke, who do you think is gonna win tomorrow? Because obviously you had a one shot lead I think today. And it's so hard to pick by him winning just because he hasn't done it before. But that is, he's a world-class golfer.

Like he's on the P-shaped tour. He's had good success. Sure he hasn't won yet, but he has good success. But you start to realize, like, ah, it's the tournament goes another 18 holes. I'm just gonna pick, you know, like I thought Wolf was gonna win because I thought he was the next best player down that board. And it's like, you just, it just, I don't know what it is.

There's, it's so hard to quantify it, but it's just the longer a golf tournament goes on, the best player that week seems to creep his way to the top, but so much little things go into that last day. As Sully said, like, if you had a seven hour to eight feet and then you super horseshoe that put out, you lose by one, like, is that what we're going to consider like what went like that you're not good enough because that put burnt the edge like real hard like I don't know it but to your point Randy like that's the really fascinating part about golf is it's not like other sports the best teams and other sports win the world series or win the NBA championship win the Super Bowl like they just do because they do especially in baseball they do and basketball they do series like

seven game series of stuff and it's like over over seven games, you know, you should in that sport be able to figure out who the best team is. And golf, it's like week after week. So that's why like I like, you know, at the end of the year, who is the best player? And it's like very obviously right now, John Rom. John Rom has, I think I've, I've won as much of this year as John did. And I wouldn't now even close to say that I'm better than John or as good as John Rom at the moment, right? So it's like, like that, that could sustain consistency is what

makes someone great, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're going to win each week, I guess. It's super, but that's why golf is such an interesting, weird sport. I just, you can go on the side of Randy where it's like wins, wins, wins, and that's all that matters and that's cool, or you can look at the side I think, solid's all in our onwards, like just sustained excellence is more what I look at for who I'm gonna say, hey, that's the guy. Dang, I know we were gonna end up by the two on one tonight, top scene for our guy, Randy.

Well, no, I think it's very good points. I think that's the fun of being a sports fan and specifically a golf fan though, is just. Yeah. Like these arguments are fun for me. And I think they they hopefully are fun for people like I think in the end, part of why we like to watch sports is like sitting around and have an argument about who's better. And that's a whole point of sports really.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Most fun part. Right. Uh, Matthew Wolf. Uh, he had a final round. It felt like 78.

I think it was a 300 par 68, uh, to finish solo second could not get off the tee, uh, in round four. What's it like, Max, to play great golf for three days, get to Sunday and not have your best stuff? I'm like, I, I struggle with trying to figure that out. I mean, we see it from the best players in the world. And it's almost weekly. You have somebody that has three great rounds

and a tough final round. What's like trying to find it while you're actually in contentious? I just don't think that you can, honestly. I just think things are moving. And this is the part I will give Randy is like for the people who just go out and win. It's like, do you think that the guys who you see win a lot can go out there on Sunday.

And I just don't think that their things are moving as fast as they are for them as other people. Because for me, when I've got out on Sundays at Valspar happen this year, I am a morial. I got out there and Valspar thought I had a good chance. Sam ran away with it. But I thought of a good chance going to Sunday. I got off there and Valsper, I thought I had a good chance, Sam ran away with it, but I thought I had a good chance going to Sunday. I got off to a decent start and the swing felt like a little bit looser and the putting stroke just didn't feel quite as good and it felt impossible and I couldn't find anything because there just wasn't time in my your heart rate higher and like everything just doesn't the feels are all your feels when you're nervous or

feels are all your feels when you're nervous are I think either very good or very bad and I don't think there's a ton of middle to that so for Matt and it doesn't have to be throughout your whole bag but like for Matt that I seem like his driver you know the off the tee game was just like it was loose and I think obviously having to go too shot it would be your like the best I guess idea to go to but if that's not working then I don't know where you go next. So it's just a scary feeling because you feel so in control for three days, and then all of a sudden that last day where it obviously matters the most, it's off, and you're just thinking like, I haven't even prepared myself

for this because all the past three days, I've just had a really good feel of like, oh yeah, this whole, you take it out that tree and draw it off that tree and like, oh, whatever, move whole easy, you'd take it out that tree and draw it off that tree and like, oh, whatever, move it down. Then all of a sudden you get there on Sunday and you've just hit three bad drives in a row and you're like, I don't see that tee shot at all

and it's felt so easy the prior three days. So it's just an awful feeling. Who does the mat? I mean, he still went out there and played a really good golf. He's obviously amazing player. I'm really, really happy to see him playing better and back in, you know, the mainstream of golf because that was kind of, that was a huge bummer last year seeing him kind of go through what he's talking about, like mentally.

So it's cool to see him back. And, you know, this is like, this is the stuff, you know, if you're going to keep playing yourself in condition, it's going to, it's going to feel really good on a Sunday one time and it's going to click in a win. Obviously, he's won a lot already from college and already won on the PJ tour. So it's not like winning is going to be a problem for him. So it's cool to get it for him to be back in that kind of the driver's seat to win. But yeah, when it's just a little off, man, on a Sunday, it's just things go so fast and your brain's going fast and your body's kind of moving different. It's just there's no finding it.

It's just can I find a golf shot that feels like it will, it will be like sustainable for the near future. And then I hope that all the pins are on the right side for me to be able to go to that golf shot. So it's it's kind of a nightmare in that, but you know, for him to come out and social through the under with not maybe having having it like that's really impressive. Can you relate or under like understand or help paint the picture at all for like what I'm sure you don't know the ins and outs completely of Matt's situation over the last you know year or so but like just kind of a young athlete struggling with the mental side of life it sounds like more so even than golf and what it's like to be a

traveling young professional and the not so glamorous sides maybe of professional golf. I'm just wondering if you could shine a light on any any perspective you may have on that. Yeah, I've got to know him a little bit and you know just from getting to know him and here's interviews and whatnot I've really thought a lot about like Why he would feel that way because I think it's very Natural for everybody to just be like man. He's a 21 year old gazillionaire with all the potential in the world to be Like the best player in the world and like why would you just be super happy all the time? And so I thought thought to myself about like my rookie year and

It's this a lonely game and it really only gets lonelier as even the better you play because as we were talking about it a couple nights ago the web I was with Hubbard and I'm not supposed to admit it but I was with Joel Damon as well we were having dinner Mark was like the mediator making sure we didn't fight or anything but we were talking about it and I was like man I was like the mediator making sure we didn't fight or anything. But we were talking about it and I was like, man, I was like, how much more fun was like the web.com tour? Because nobody could afford to bring their family, nobody could afford to do a lot of crazy stuff during the week. Even last night, all these guys went to the fight out in Vegas, and that's really fun. But it's like, on the web tour, you are going to dinner with a group of guys

that's heard them in every single week, or every single night of each week. And even though you are making a tenth of money and you are in, you know, not as good golf courses and kind of like a little bit more wow cities, it's like, you are just having laughs every night. You're telling funny stories. You're, you have like a crew at all times.

And then you get out here and it gets kind of like a little more isolated. Everyone's doing their own thing. It's a much more of like a business. And you have, Lacey's flipping me off because now she is with me and the times are even better. But my point is the whole reason for that and why I like what I have now is because I am there.

I have my dog here like I'm living like my home life on the road still so like I'm not doing all of that lonely stuff like I did my rookie year. That's 20. That was 20 years old when he turned pro. It is really hard to make friends out here. It is way harder when you have your 20 and you have nothing. It's COVID. There's nothing going on. And there's 20 and you have nothing going on and there's COVID there's nothing going on I mean he has a girlfriend I know she travels a bit but even still it's like he doesn't have like he doesn't have like a crew of

guys that he came up with because he's too he's too much of a super star freak you know like he's a prodigy right and those prodigies don't like I mean tigers probably dealt with it like when tiger turned you know, like he's a prodigy, right? And those prodigies don't like, I mean, tigers probably dealt with it. Like when tiger turned, you know, I just watching like he won this tournament in Vegas when he was 20, like, you think a lot of people were relating to a 20 year old super mega star. And like, you're just assuming that he's having the time of his life. But if he's not, I totally get it because there's not a

lot for him to like do with other people. Like it's just it's hard to make friends. People have been out here for years. They have their little group. It's very rare. I would imagine that like a season veteran's gonna become best friends with a 20 year old kid. And as great as Matt is, he's awesome. It's like, that's just like the way of the world out here.

And it's just, it's tough. So like you do your best to like have groups of friends and have my, you know, have my Tuesday games and my practice crew. I'm lucky because my coach coaches now, he's got five, six guys, then you'll get close with there. It's just different, man. It's hard to really have good relationships where you feel like, hey, this is fun. We're doing this. Now I have it being out here the last three years, I feel like I've gotten that. And again, now I have the like means to be able to take, you know, my family out here and like make sure that like I'm staying maybe with, I try to do a better job making sure I'm staying

near, you know, somebody else I know that's out here and make sure that we're setting up dinners to go do things that are fun instead of just like the repetitive monotonous like every day life of just hey hitballs go to the gym go home ebuy yourself wake up hitballs go to the gym eat by yourself like that gets that gets old real fast and I mean I can't imagine for someone like him who's even younger and just I just it's I think it's a shock value you went straight from college golf for everyone's on your side on your team and everyone wants you to do great. Now all of a sudden it's just Matt, Matt Wolf incorporated. Like that's a tough gig. So I'm happy he's finding some happiness and some peace with it

because I think he's a great kid. I think he's a great golfer. So I hope he's starting to at least find his own avenue to make it fun again. That's, and I wonder, I, yeah, golf is so unique that way. Well, maybe tennis too, right? The individual sports, but I'm just thinking of, you know, the teenagers that come up in the NBA or baseball. And it's like, you're part of a clubhouse, right? You're traveling

as a team. And although the tour travels together, you people are just kind of off doing their own thing. Is there anything even the tour could do? You know, I think one thing that we hear anecdotes is, you know, the tour used to be much more of a caravan where folks, you know, traveled together and there was a lot more connectedness outside of the golf course. And it just, maybe it's just the way of the world and how things are that's kind of gone by the wayside, I guess. I think back in the day, it is something similar to like, I think sororities do like a big sister

little sister thing. I think the towarded something like a big brother, little brother type thing. I don't know, I mean, I could be wrong in that habit. I'm pretty sure that used to happen. And I don't know why that would have gone away. I think that wouldn't be a bad idea for the rookies to be, have just a group of us be like, hey, I'd volunteer to have a dude under your wing.

And I try to let myself to the young kids, but it's not, I need to meet them for it. Like it's kind of random to like meet them, I guess. But like, you know, I have a kid Dylan Wu, he's a member at a course, I play at back home and he's a really nice dude. I've known him for like, you know, since he was playing on web. And so since he's term pro, you know,

played practice round together at Napa. And like any time he wanna play, like I'd be down, you know, he'd text me about like, you know, because same survivor that text people about, but like it's scary, like I said, for the map, this whole map thing, like it's scary to like, you know, try to get somebody's number and then be like, hey, man, like, where do I check in this

week? Where's the locker room? Like, where do you suggest I stay? Like little things like that. And, you know, because these people are obviously also trying to win, Dr. Vincent being a doll and like, you know, make millions of, you know, they're doing their own thing, like everyone's doing their own thing. So it's like, so I don't know, something like that would be helpful,

like, I guess, to the young kids and like for a year to get their kind of like, get themselves kind of back to like, feeling comfortable, but then at the same time, like, in a selfish way, I don't care if you're comfortable. You know, I feel a bit, you know, it's like figured out, I guess, but like I said, I try to always let myself in like, if anybody ever has a question or wants to play a prox runner has some some interest into something like about how we know what they should do this

week or next week or whatever, it's like, yeah, I'd love to help. But like I said, kind of take some, I guess to take some guts to be like the kid to reach out and be like, yeah, I'd love to help. But like I said, kind of take some, I guess it takes some guts to be like the kid to reach out and be like, hey, you know, so and so, like, you know, I got some advice on this and everybody out here from my experience has always been super helpful, but they're not going to go out there and be like, hey, man, do you need anything? You know, like so, I don't know if the tour could maybe like suggest or push that on us a little bit more and be like, hey, let's do a little connection max. You're going to be with Dylan.

You know, you guys exchange numbers, so we don't have to go through this. And even just to meet and greet and be like, okay, cool. I'm like, hey, Dylan, everything. Like, here's my number. And like that could work. Because that's a benefit of where I live.

Because we get a lot of the guys either playing on Cornfairy or on P.J. Torbary, you start to create like just the most basic of relationships, but it helps. Because of a sudden you're like, oh shoot, I got a question about this. I don't know who's going to determine. Oh, I see, you know, Matt Jones is playing. I got Matt's number. I'll text him. It's like, even that it's small as that is, it just helps when you are kind of lost and especially when you're young, because like I was saying, like when I term pro rookie year, I don't have enough money to do anything. I went off enough money to take my dog

and my wife on the road with me. Like I'm still kind of living on the same means I was before, but now everyone else is living this like, you know, their home life on the road. And it's like, man, now I'm stuck. So I need a crew of people. And if you're not best friends with the guys, you graduated with all of a sudden,

it's like, okay, well, now what do I do? I'm doing the same thing I was last year except by myself. Yeah. I think there's something that goes to just have that like still needing a sense of purpose, right? If you have your home life on the road with you, like that sense of purpose is easy, way easier to find, right? You're doing, you know, your thing, and you know, when you're young and you don't have that same like community or sense of purpose following you around. Yeah, I could see it being just something you don't are not in the mindset to want to do.

Have you guys seen the Marty Fish Netflix documentary piece? I just watched that this past week, and I felt like that helped me understand at least a little bit. I would highly recommend that to anyone that maybe hasn't seen that. I would never, like, honestly, it's so difficult. It's so, this topic is so difficult and professional sports, because I would never woe as me, my life, my life is,

I love what I do and all that. But I just think because it's under a microscope, people just assume, hey, you make a lot of money, you should be happy. And I just, I understand why people think that and I totally, totally get it. Like, I wouldn't trade anything about what I've done or gone through anything. But that point is still important that that does not mean that you're going to be happy and content that you need there. You need other things like you do need other things relationships

and some peace and quiet and some of these things to like balance that out and again no loas me like it's everything about this life is awesome but there's also you it should be allowed for Naomi oh soka to be like hey like I hate this of my job. I hate having to talk to the media. Like, I don't like it. And then everyone bashes her. It's like, she, she said, like, I get that you guys don't, don't, you know, don't want me to skip this stuff. I get it. I'm just explaining that I don't like doing it. It's like, I think that's okay to say, like, those stuff, that stuff is good to put out there. And then hopefully those people can find a way to enjoy it or find a balance where like, that doesn't overtake them as much

as Matt said, like, if he could just be a little bit happier on the golf course, like just finding that blend. But man, like, I think it's okay to say because it is important, like, that this stuff, you know, you guys have been doing no-ling up for what, like, nine years, 10 years? Not quite. Yep, a little over eight now, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven.? So it's amazing, but I mean, I've talked to DJ where he's like, man, I'm like,

burnout all this golf stuff. And it's like, yeah, and you know, you're obviously compassionate and sympathetic. And then if you put that into perspective for like a thing, which I know is a lot of work not taking away from you, but like, same amount of work I would imagine for like the, for my end, I've been doing this series season, so it's like, it's okay for, but like, same amount of work I would imagine for like the from from my end, I've been doing this seriously since I was 12. So it's like, it's okay for us, like I think it's sometimes to just kind of vent and be like, man, I fucking over it. Like this sucks. Like just traveling every week and I get this couch and missing like my like I was

supposed to be like three weddings a few years ago couldn't go to any of them. You know, I know my friends who have like miscuts and they should have been at their sons like T ball game on a Saturday and couldn't go because they couldn't get back in time. And they literally just went on a trip, burn money, miss their sons T ball game. And then it's like, man, like, what am I doing out here? And that's so that I think that's what breeds into kind of like the frustration disappointment. But I guess like, like the anxiety or whatever,

I guess people could put or people could get into. But like, again, I understand that if I was at home every week, there would be things where I'd be ambious of like, oh, you get to play golf every day. And that's why, like I said, would never woe as me this. This is awesome. But there's still going to be little wrinkles where it's like, okay okay I can vent about my shitty day or my shitty month because like I've been home in a month and I haven't played good in a month and like this isn't very fun like that's and I think that's what Matt was trying to say like you know I like what I do all that but like I'm not happy right now and it's like oh you know that's I get that I hear that I get that Marty's trying to explain that too and like it's awesome that people are saying I, I get that. I hear that. I get that. Marty's trying to explain that too. And like, it's awesome that people are saying

I've been saying it because I think that everyone kind of gets that, hey, it's not that the tennis parts, the hard part, the golf parts are part, it's just the life part that can get a little bit, a little bit. It's just like lonely is probably not at the right word. But it's you just get in your head a little bit. And it's just become, you watch all your friends doing a lot of good stuff some months,

and you're doing nothing, and you start to feel lesser. And then the weeks where you play great, it kind of works its way back to the norm. So that's what the good part is. But that's a young kid, man. A lot of people have all this success are very young. So it's a lot different. I can't really speak to them,

because I don't really get all of that. But I do know what it was like to be 23, 24 years old on the PJ tour without my wife on a road or girlfriend at the time and without no one very many people and're playing the same golf tournament. I took three layovers to get to my like two-star hotel and we're still playing against each other and I'm eating out back by myself at the bar and they're having another like function. But then you get to their point where it's like, then they're doing these functions. They hate these functions. They just want to be by themselves.

It's all weird, man. It's a, yeah, a couple of things. The Marty Fish stuff is excellent. I remember his original first hand piece in the players Tribune, which they've then made this documentary kind of elaborating on, is fantastic. I would also say, I think the worm has turned in public perception where Matthew Wolfe and I were, I mean, we don't know the whole story. has turned in public perception where like Matthew Wolf,

and I mean, we don't know the whole story. So again, I'm kind of projecting, or this is somewhat conjecture, but I think him, if he is taking time to work on his state of mind and doing that at such a young age, like that is so healthy and positive, where a guy like Tiger Woods is the shining example of like, yeah, like it can, like, if you press that down

and bury that stuff, it can manifest in a lot of ugly ways that can be pretty destructive. So I think it's cool to see people like Matthew and you know, Naomi Osaka and just the whole public conversation and destigmatization of mental health is I think one of the best things that's happened in and around sports and society really it feels like in the last five six seven years. I think what's interesting about sports is that, and I do think the benefit is that the people who play professional sports are conditioned to ignore these things, but like if

you go on social media and let's just say you have a bad week in any sport, especially like with fantasy football and stuff, you'll see someone just get mad at like Antonio Brown last week for dropping two passes. And it's just like, you suck Antonio. It's like, you read it and you're like, yeah, whatever. I'm not obviously, it doesn't mean anything. But I think if you keep reading that and keep seeing that and maybe you turn on ESPN and they're talking about why you had a bad game,

and it's like these things go on and on and on, I feel like it just ingrains us up in you. And then in golf, I think the hardest part about golf as far as the mental stakeholders is at the end of every week, you are assigned a number of how good you are. I think that's really, that is, that is not healthy. Because it's so volatile, you can literally be one forty, one week and one the next week. And I just don't think it's super healthy. It is something, again, I think benefit, like we're benefit, I've been doing this for so long, I think we're used to it. But like, man, you know, you have a world ranking. I literally know exactly how many people are better than

me at this sport in the world. And it's getting smaller. But at one point, there was like 958 of them. And it's like knowing those things, like just just can't possibly be good for your brain, but that's a big part of doing what we're doing is getting over that and overcoming those, like all that random information. It's so like a lot cool too, because that's the way to put it max with, you know, like behavioral personality,

what am I trying to say? Like human behavior, behavioral economics, like behavioral personality. What am I trying to say? Like food behavior, behavioral economics, behavioral finance, all that stuff. They can find people just as a dirty example. One of the richest pen houses in Manhattan, right? You can find miserable people that live there because they're just comparing themselves to their neighbors who are a little bit richer, have a little bit more money.

And so it makes me chuckle, you know, like here you are the what 30 second ranked player in the world and you know you're comparing yourself literally to like 31 other people right. And it's hard to keep that larger picture in mind where it's like, you know, you are 99.999,999,999, you know, percentile of people worldwide. But it's just that relative comparison that gets people in trouble and is the root of a lot of that, you know, psychological stuff that can lead on happiness and just not happy with yourself. Anyway, I didn't really think we would go down this road. Yeah. Sorry, I didn't mean to get that deep. It's always, oh, no, it's great.

It's about Mac, because I think it's so interesting. But it's just about at some point stepping back as you go older and put in perspective, like Sally said, put in your value in some else, not in your golf. Like just what makes me mean, and what am I proud of myself? What I'm proud of in myself is being nice to people and have a good relationship to make sure I'm checking in on those things.

And then you always, at the end of each week, you can reassess how you're evaluating it. I'm not evaluating on birdies and pars. And bogies I'm evaluating on was I a good person and did I smile and laugh? Like that's ever changing, but that's more. When you put it into that, and then everything starts to be a lot ever changing, but that's more. When you put it into that and then just everything starts to,

everything starts to be a lot, you know, brighter outside, not so gloomy. Well, I will say, even on the kind of aching be laugh here, is on your brightest day, Max, when you won at Fortinet, my buddy Greg, who played with you at my wedding, he, you made one bogey on that day and he made a par on that home and he was just like grinning here to hear. He's not a great golfer. He's like, I'd beat a PGA tour player. And so on your day that you won, he texted me, he's like, remember when I beat that guy on a whole?

No, it's awesome. The last two notes I had from Shriners were just, Rory Sabatini went out in 28 today. Final round 64. That's crazy. And sad news for you, Max. Sam Burns at other top 10 this week. And you're officially bumped from the number one position in the FedEx Cup.

So I don't know if you have comment on that. Sorry, Bobbi. I hate that. I'm sorry, Max. I'm on to the CJ cup. So you're Rory coming tweet today was, uh, I tried to, the, the, recognize that that was some of your better work. I thought. Thank you so much.

Uh, what's an ideal fall schedule for the PGA tour in your mind, Max? And you can do this through your own lens or through the tour as a whole lens. What do you think is ideal? I have this idea that's a workshop idea, not super well thought out, but I think that if you made the fall, like a actual fall series, and it had its own little FedEx cut bonus,

now obviously much smaller and different, but it does not count to like 2022's FedEx cut race. I think that would be something that should be explored in my opinion. Like a sprint, like a sprint cup almost in the fall. 100% because no big, no, none of the top guys want to play right now. I promise you. I like, I've talked to them. I think, you know, I know a few of them are only going to play one event this fall. Some of them aren't going to play this fall. It's like, I think it's still good to have tournaments. Now people need to play.

They're getting harder and harder for the rookies to get out here and get into events. So I think there should still be events, but I just think that that would be a way to help the grand scheme of the FedEx Cup like the big one and then maybe I like you said I'm a sprint that that makes this equi is or maybe not equi is exciting but exciting its own way but in events that aren't mandating like you know the Dustin Johnson's of the world to come out and play. I do want to thank

you for listening to the No Wing up podcast Max I can tell you are listeners so thank you for listening. I'm a listener, bro. I got to break up. I told Monahan, so I don't know. I don't know how far that'll go, but I suggest that it's it. I'm so excited. I did too. It'll be a W. I told. All right. Cool. We're back to back weeks. I did it at Northern Trust. So we can see how this goes. Randy, you want to take us around to the LPGA this week? Oh my gosh, I would love to. Guys, I was very excited for the founders cup presented by Cognizant was this weekend. New date on the calendar this year. I think it's going to be

a one-time shift in the calendar date. They're going back to May next year. And also a new course this year, Mountain Ridge Country Club in New Jersey, fabulous top 100 Donald Ross course. And Jinyoung Coge just kind of did her thing. I mean to put it, you know, succinctly I guess., world-world class. It was her 10th LPGA victory, kind of never a doubt. Once we hit the weekend, she was in complete control, finished at 18 under. I heard there were rumors that some mountain ridge members

were quite unhappy with their opening round 63. You know, they didn't want to see the course playing that easy. But just hats off to her. So I have some good Jin Young co-stuff for you guys if you'll allow me. Lay it on us. Okay. First of all, she's on a mega heater.

Okay, currently ranked number two in the Rolex Women's Rankings behind Nellie Corta. This was her second in four starts her third win in six starts. She with her final round, what she's shoot today, 68 was her 14th straight round in the 60s, which ties the LPGA record that Anika Sorenstam had that also holds. Max question for you. Do you know what your longest streak is

for rounds in the 60s on the PGA tour? I know it's not that many. I'm gonna go with like four maybe. I don't know. I wish I would have looked that up. It's not even close to that. So. Yeah. I don't know. I wish I would have looked that up. It's not even close to that. So yeah. Jin Young Kofi will remember back in 2019,

she went, she broke Tigers overall golf record of most consecutive holes without a bogey. His record was 110 straight holes. She went a hundred and 14 straight holes without a bogey. She's 26 years old. Like I said, 10th LPGA to her win. She has 21 worldwide wins. So this is where it gets good though. All right. So in her LPGA career,

she became a member in 2018. She's played 67. She's had 67 starts. Do we know how many miscuts she's had? I have the agenda so I can't answer. I've seen it. Two.uts she's had? I have the agenda so I can't answer. I've seen it. Seven. Two.

So it's just a few cuts. So yes, 30 sand top 10s. And in 67 starts. So it's just I think honestly, you know, Nelly was one of the bigger LPGA stores of this year and for good reason, breaking through in a major, capturing her first major championship. I think some of the rookies that have come along, Patty Tavitanket, Yucasaso, it's one of those things. I think myself included,

you kind of forget how good Jun-Yong Co is and I think this week we end and whole week was a good example like when she's on it's like she's I think she's the best and the who's doesn't have a weakness. But yeah it was a fantastic venue. I know a lot of the players thought it really felt like an elevated event which is cool. The founders cup, you know, honors the 13 original LPGA founders. A couple of them are spring, which is really fun. And I hope it goes back to Mountain Ridge.

I think that would be an awesome annual venue. Matt, I compared it almost like, you you know I get a rib rolls around each year on the men's side just because of just an awesome venue. That's that's kind of felt this week with the with the LPGA founders cup being a mountain ridge. So to to be determined there I tried to ask around but I don't think anybody knows for sure where the event will take place next year. She's got that thing where like she's she has no, um, when you watch her, like on Sunday, it's almost, it's almost boring because she doesn't do anything wrong. So you, there's no like, oh, she might with this one over into the right

water. You're just like, all right, well, we can all go to bed. Like she's going to win. There's no like Phil Mickelson about it, right? Where it's like, you know, just catastrophe always lurking in the shadows. No, no catastrophe. No, it's very routine. We kind of got a little Lewis Hamilton, Max Verstapp,

and race at the top here as we go towards the end of the year here on the LPJ between, I mean, Lydia Coe is not far behind, but Jin Young Coe and Nelly now right at the top. She's nipping on her heels. Yeah, and that's, I think that's really fun. Not only for this year, so there are three events left on the women's side. Their season is, is the calendar year, which makes it a lot. I don't know, in my mind, it just makes it easier. So they go to South Korea in two weeks,

and then they have two events in Florida, the last of which is the CME, the their tour championship, so the top 60. So that's what, there's like two horse races going on right now. One is to get inside that top 60, so they get an invite to the tour championship with a $1.1 million first place prize.

And then the other one is being inside the top 100, gets you your LPGA card for next year. And so some interesting names currently outside of that top 100, People like Ann Van Dam, who, you know, I think everybody, like she is one of the best swings in golf. Yeah, ever. Yeah. She's currently one of third, our young hitter, Lauren Coglin, was 112th. I'm waiting for the LPGA to update their stats page because she finished tied for 25th this week, which was a great result for, but she came in 112th. And then Song Yang Park, Sali, 114th, it just continues to amaze me, her fall. I mean, this she was like the best player in the world in 2018 and

now might not, you know, we'll have to go to Q series to get her LPGA card potentially. She wouldn't still have status like from then she maybe major winning status. Yeah, she can probably play some of that. So that's a good point. But just seeing her that far down on the point list is just it's shocking. I remember watching on the range at what KPMG this year and just like, I mean, she got one of the greatest swings in the world and just pounded driver from when we watched her at Kemper Lakes in 2018. And she was taken forever to pull the trigger on driver on the range. Like it was uncomfortable amount of time standing over it. And I don't, I don't pretend to know all of what she has going on there, but that just doesn't doesn't make a lot of sense.

But no, and that's that's been whisper, I guess, is the driver Yips, which it seems like that's the most debilitating. Max, I hate to ask you a question like that, but is that the worst thing you can get? I can't really imagine it. It's worse, honestly. If you're gonna get up, I mean, I think somebody said once they're like, Duffner dealt with, you know,

he had a hard time pulling through with a putter and then who else, somebody else was struggling with the chipping, but like, they were still winning golf tournaments. And if you can't do the driver, you're not even gonna be seen on Saturday. Yeah, you just have no chance. Where like you can scare the ball in the hole, you can, you know, change your grip 100

different times on the putting green. But yeah, if you can't get the ball and play off the tee, you just, you're finished. No, it's just a, it's a, it's a, and I, you know, obviously, leaks into your head and then you just go down a rabbit hole of bad. So that is definitely the thing you wish the least upon yourself and everyone else. You don't want to see anybody deal with that. You can't go to the claw off the tee. There's no one handed driver swing.

Like you can one handed chip it. You can not one handed driver. Max, we could do, we could do this so many different ways. We could do just true dream, unrealisticly, or we could just go with like, the most realistic way. But what, either way you wanna go with that, or maybe something on both ends of,

what's the most realistic way and most desirable way for male tour pros, for some kind of crossover with the women in some part of the game, whether that be a back-to-back, where the women are having an event right before, right after the men at the same tournament, I've heard things about interweaving tournaments within,

if you have fields of 60 of the top men and women that are both playing their own separate tournament, you could play same purse stuff that they've done ladies European tour and European tour. One, is there a true appetite for that, for you and for Torporos and what are ways that that could happen? I'd love to. I think that the most realistic way was just it would just be to weave two tournaments together. Like if we played like a three ball, just have, you know, some groups have two of the LPJ tour players and one, PJ tour player or two of the PJ tour players, one LPJ tour player, and just have like two tournaments going on at one time.

I think that would be great. I think for me, like, dream fun. I just don't know how you could do it with our points and their points would be to, like, do a team event, like, kind of like the Zurich does where, you know, you, I would partner with the LPJ tour player. And, you know, we would play some form of bestball through those I think that would be really fun because that way you can keep the tease separate like different but you could have everybody on the same stage. I don't I do think that it would be cool if like

I love LPJTore golf. I if like I love LPJ tour golf. I just think that it's hard to get the eyeballs on it as we've heard. I think that would be a really cool way to do it. And that's why I just think weaving two events would be the easiest way to do it. It's literally have two different golf tournaments, one big sponsor. And I just think I don't know why anybody wouldn't want to do that. I know it's probably a bit complicated, but as far as the actual golf goes, I don't know why anybody wouldn't want to do it because it

would just be like we're playing a normal golf tournament. There's just another person like a like a like not even an extra person. There's just someone playing a different t-box I guess in the group if they even wanted to do that. So I think I think it's very realistic personally, but I mean they got to someone's got to take the initiative I guess guess. You need to tell that to Mon-Han too, then. Sounds like you got, you got his ear. Yeah, super, super in his ear about these things. Max, you need to go play the Aussie event, which is a combined male and female event. Yeah, it's just one tournament.

Randy, if you can make COVID go away, I would love start traveling and doing cool stuff. I mean, I would, I would love and if, yeah, if Joe don't want to go with you, I'll go caddy for you. We may have lost Max to a dead battery of some kind. He has all of a sudden actually the chat and I don't think that was planned, but maybe we boarded a death on that. But Phil, I called you back to the way you're real name there, because I wanted to go talk about the next guy.

Oh, looks, look, our guy is back. I don't know what happened. Actually, a difficulty. They booted me. I think Monahan kicked me out. We were talking about it before we started recording. You're I just mentioned that I went out to the champions event this week and that Phil won. Max, tell me what your reaction was when I said this to you before we even started filming.

I mean, it just, it doesn't feel fair. Like I don't, I've been out there, but like, he hits it so freaking far. Like, and we were talking about putting them in Napa. And we just like, he was talking, he's like, it's so funny. He's like, you know, there's two 90 bunkers that guys are struggling to get to and I'm flying them and it's like yeah, this seems ridiculous. It looks like he can win with his C game out there and I don't know. I'm curious. I would love to see him dedicate full time to it. I know waiting to be able to change things for him, But he could legit win like 12 times a year. Yeah, honestly, it is, it is, this is, it's crazy that to think that we basically needed that one of the best players to ever live and easily the second best player of our like generation to come

in and finally like beat Bernhard Longer after like 14 years of dominance. It doesn't make sense how Bernhard's done this for this long, but it does seem like Phil might be the guy who could kind of come in and assert his will on the tour of it. Are these events, are there official world golf rankings for champions to events? I don't think there are. I don't think so. No, I don't think there are. Right? I don't think that. No, I don't think there are.

Okay. That'd be so cool. Phil climbed it in one in the world. If he was manipulating. Yeah. I know. I want to start manipulating. That'd be crazy.

Phil had never been the world number one somehow, which makes no sense. Yeah, he got it. It was 55 because he won 42 out of 45. He's doing it. So I mean, it's a joke looking at their, uh, the, the Schwab season long standings. Like he's, Michelson's 35th in the season long standings. He's played three events, uh, Kurt triplet, who is, who's in 36 has played 31 events.

That's before this one. See, this was his fourth and he's one three. So I don't know what this puts him at. Oh, this hasn't even been updated yet. Yeah. Maybe not. No, that might be. Now that might. I thought his third victory was last year.

I thought you're right. You're right. You're right. It's only his third chart. He's great. Yeah. That's great. Yeah, I just wonder what he gets out of it.

Right. I know it was kind of it's, you know, he's playing. This is Jim Furek was hosting the event here in Jacksonville, at Tim Aquana, and it's called the Furek and Friends. And I know it was in at least in some way a favor to Jim to come play in it. But yeah, he just I followed him around the practice round on Wednesday. And I was telling everyone I could get like lay, you know, that would listen to me like, Phil's not going to he's not he's in the trees he's trying to hit driver everywhere it's not going to work out here he doesn't know how to play the

course and I will not be doing any champions tour weight during from here on out so it's impossible to go into a tournament watch somebody hit balls or watch the prax round and every time I say all that guy is struggling it's almost like clockwork, he will be around the lead after the first rounds. Max, I'm telling you, I watched Matt Goggle hit not carry a bunker with driver that was 236 yard carry and hit it into the water on the opposite hole on a part three in the practice round.

And I think he finished in the top five. Like it was, I remember walking in and being like, oh my God, is there a way I could bet Goggle and a Matt, he finished T7. I bet Goggle and a match up that began someone and I would have lost, I'm a little lost my shirt. Good thing you did, you good thing you could have. So how did the course look? And like how would you like, what's it like?

Yeah, what's it like watching, Mikkelson specifically specifically like obviously a current major winner like like on a course that you know that intimately, right? Like yeah, it's wild. It's just a different game. Yeah, it's just wild. I mean, it's just so funny to walk around and like, oh my god, Monty is in 15 fairway right now.

Just like, slinging three woods into the green and Darren Clarks over there putting and that Bernard Longer is dressed up you know as a maintenance worker trying to prank people around that around there and like it was funny to like I was trying super hard not to not to be like way overreaching guy about guys are trying to learn the course and Phil gets up there on five they flip the nine so he gets up there on five in the practice round and hits a two wood and like it's like a three seventy par four that all the pros that play out there hit driver every time and and I was talking to Tim is caddy I was like and the hits another you didn't like the two wood hits a driver and I was like yeah dude it's driver all day

play it down the left you you'll have it like a 40 yard pitch into the screen and I look up and I hear about I get on the ground today and I run to somebody like, do you hear what filled it on five? I'm like, what? He goes, oh, he hit driver down the left and hit it OB and lost it. I was like, oh, damn it. The oldie.

I was like, sorry. I think you're like, hey, you have the rest of the world. I'm sorry, question for you, because we always, you know, it's impossible to play. I've like just straight up conjecture But if you it if you play the tournament at Tim Aquana one of your home golf courses and the length you hit it Like could you like from watching? I've never I haven't been to a championship or event since I was in high school I think could do you think you could like like where are you finishing do you think?

So I played you hit it significantly past most of the some of the guys most of the guys right But I played in a an a mid-am event out there in in April and I can definitively say it was set up harder for the mid-am event then Okay, and then it was for this past week just because it was firm and spring is firm and this was kind of soft and I shot 14 over or something like that in the three days. I mean, it was playing really hard. And I think, so that would have put me last place in this event. And I mean, I've had good days out there

where I break par pretty easily. And I shoot 80 out there pretty frequently as well. So it's, I just find it tremendous. These guys still have it, man. Oh my God. Just like a workout thing. Like I just don't get it. Yeah, have it, man. Oh my God. Just like a work ethic. Like, I just don't get it. Yeah.

I was wondering a lot of that too. Some of these dudes that have just printed money for so long are making thousands. How do you still do that? Can you see yourself doing that into your 50s? I mean, I'm sure, but like, it's hard to really imagine it. You know, like, it's just, it's truly it's, it's truly amazing that these guys, because where I, where I practice, you know, at home at TPC Scotts, so there's a lot of guys who, you

know, Kirk Tripley practices out there. He's out there every day. And I just always think about stuff like, man, like this is very impressive. And he's still really good. I mean, I watch him in balls. Like it's still really, really cool to like see him still be able to strike it. And he goes and you know, greenside bunkers and puts himself in all these funky lies and it's these really cool shots.

And you're just like, I mean, I know there's obviously all of them have loads and loads of talent, but he still need to work to keep it there. And I just, I guess I could see myself doing it. But God, I mean, Lacey, I was talking about playing the chip. Yeah, she just, Lacey just said, you'll be doing it. We're gonna keep traveling around. We're gonna keep traveling around. We're gonna keep traveling around. We're gonna keep traveling around. We you'll be doing it. You're gonna keep traveling around. You're eligible now three wins, right?

Yeah. Oh, is that what it is? I'm eligible. I'm hell yeah. I'm pretty sure you're the dream. The dream continues. Same with what we'll say about a lot of LPJ events in terms of access and what you can see it. This is the first tournament of a champion Tour event that I've been to, like actual tournament play. Man, you can kind of see whatever you want. I mean, even if even fallen fill around, you could see what you want. And it's, if you got one coming near you, it is worth your time. Like the dudes are just happy to be there. And I found it extremely worthwhile. So. Yeah, it's cool, man. And obviously, you're seeing the,

you just have like monies in a fairway. You're just like cruising by it. Like it's so cool. Here comes John Daley. Here comes Fred Couples. Yeah, it's a unique sport. That's the only sport where you can really do that stuff and actually be competitive.

But last thing I had news for the week, Bryson and Brooks set for the match. Match five, I think it is day after day after Thanksgiving Max. What are your feelings on this? You know, it'll be We'll see I guess what it'll be I thought you know, it's very hard to keep up with I thought they Come on Max. I'll hold back. Tell us what you think. Can you ask, it's a me this question. Why is it 12 holes? TV window, I believe. Yeah, TV window up against some football that day. I think the last one was like, it went on way too long. Grand, that was a four ball.

But oh god, that one was long. It doesn't need to be 18. It really doesn't. I'm with you. It makes a lot of sense. I feel like, I just kind of feel like this thing was very real in the beginning and ever since the brands got involved, it kind of lost a lot of it's luster to me in terms of,

now I just don't know if I'm watching Tudes that really do hate each other or I don't know. It just doesn't seem like the actual way to settle this thing being you know This this break is brought to you by Taco Bell and Capital one and all this stuff and it's I'll be really curious to see how they do it because I do think that having fill in it as kind of like You know everyone kind of makes whatever you like, you know, talks, it's, you know, he throws out, I call him, you know, I call him like a volume shooter with jokes, like he's just chucking them up, and you know, a couple of them land and they're very, very funny. But he

he has always been the best part of them as far as like he's the driving force for like the entertainment with the mics. And like Brooks and Bryson from what I understand don't talk like a ton on the golf course, and I don't think think they're gonna be talking to each other a whole lot So like I wonder what they're gonna do production wise to keep things to keep it moving Because I mean like that's what these things were kind of built on as you get the intimacy of like hearing them talk Yeah, that's a great point and like Michelson the last match I thought Michelson did a great job of just bringing interesting stuff out of Bryson especially just like around his process and

Just having Bryson talk through it was like oh my god like hearing what he goes through like reading the green right? But yeah, you do need Michelson out there being like the PT Barnum probably Well Phil is doing commentary. Do you guys know? It's perfect. Perfect. If Barclays in about also, then I'm yeah, I think it's Ernie, Barclay and Phil, I think in

some combination. That's that's that's perfect. Yeah, that makes a lot of said then, then it does all the work because Barclay and Phil being there, though, that'll make it great. I still plan to watch yet. Go ahead, Phil. I, I, two things. One, that would make it great. I still plan to watch yet. Go ahead Phil. I, two things. One, I think, Randy.

I know. Yeah, that's the second time. Yeah, he's going real good. I'm talking about Phil. Like, thought that was probably the best format. I hope they get back that. And I think at some point too, they need to speak in a LP jig and like it'd be fun to incorporate, you know, at least one or two LPJ players at some point. Yeah, that seemed like a no-brainer this time because Brooks or Mel Reed had mentioned how she's you know, gotten quite close with Brooks. I thought that would

be a easy like partnership and then Bryson with somebody like I think that would have been cool. Ready who are in and saw who would your guys like dream celebrity to like like they did fill in a or a painting and Tom who would be year two kind of dream once they haven't used yet. I think Chuck and Michael Jordan playing. Oh God, that would be so good. You got an opposite teams, right? Like, you know, match them up with Michelson and whoever,

or like, speed and JT with MJ and Barclay. I think that is so good. It would just be Michael and Barclay going back and forth with each other. I don't have a better answer than that. Yeah, definitely. That's the best answer. And I think they kind of like they're like you said, they're on to something with kind

of making a hitting giggle of some kind. And it's weird that this is like now like somebody getting slapped and I'm challenging you to a dual kind of thing. Like it's not going to all the right. Yeah. Yeah. The tiger filth thing kind of felt more like, you know, a serious match for a lot.

I don't know. This just feel maybe there's more details than we don't know yet, but I'll watch for sure. They've heard. I'm still gonna watch it thing. It's still good. I mean, it's still good. Yeah, we'll see.

We'll see. Yeah, it's still gonna be great. This is where they should have stupid stakes. Like, you know, loser has to, I don't know, wash the winner's feet. Or you know, something where it's like, yes, would immediately trace like USA in their head. Yes, we're like, oh shit, you know, they don't want to lose.

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they should have played this for the Brooksie thing. Like if you if Bryson wins, it's banned. If it's not, you can keep doing it. That would be great. Nothing makes you play bad golf more than just, it's not the opportunity to win something

that makes you nervous. It's like just the fact that you could lose something. Yeah, it's exactly. You freaking panic on the golf course. Yeah, exactly. Next we're gonna, we're gonna get you out of here. But can I ask you a few questions that some Twitter folks wrote in before we go. Yeah, golf course. Yeah, exactly. Next we're gonna get you out of here, but can I ask you a few questions that some Twitter folks wrote in before we go.

Yeah, of course. Mr. Goodley Cook says, will you be on the new drive to survive version of the PGA tour show that's been announced? I don't know the rules, but with that said possibly. Oh. Oh. It's very much the rock answer, but I can't say, but. with that said possibly. It's very much the rock answer, but I can't say, but, but, but, but, but, but, but if you can read in between the lines at all, I, I'm spoken, I've spoken to a couple

of people. So sweet. You might get edited out though. You know, we should, we should count those chickens before they, before they had to. Georgie Russell got edited out of season three. That's, that's tough, but really? Yeah, yeah, so damn that's cold Luke P cock if max were 50 Would you rather make the cut on the number on the big tour or be in the final group on Sunday on the champions tour?

No guarantee a result neither scenario, but which scenario would you opt for? Oh Final group on champions scenario, but which scenario would you opt for? Oh, final group, champion. Yeah. That'd be so cool. For sure. That'd be so cool. PS Cruel says, what is the break even annual one course earnings amount? Is it 150,000? And I'll add onto that because Bryson had some comments on a podcast

this week. He said, like, number 165 on the money list is breaking even, which I cannot imagine that that's right. Because that's like half a million dollars on the money list is breaking even, which I cannot imagine that that's right, because that's like half a million dollars. I don't know where he's getting that. Well, yeah, if you're, if you're living, yeah, yeah, if you're traveling the way he's traveling, that's probably, yes, that's closer. But for someone who is actually making that money, they're not taking a jet across the country. It's a tournament. So I don't know.

Break even would be, I want to say when I was early on, I was probably spending a hotel and travel. Probably it's shy of a hundred grand, maybe around a hundred. I think it was like, we would budget out to like 75 to a hundred for all the travel and all that for the year. I don't even think we got to it, but that would be a more breakthrough. It's not not for the year. I don't even think we got to it, but that would be more breakthroughs than not, not half a million.

No, no shot. Do you track everything? You have to track everything closely for tax purposes. I don't, we have a business credit card that, so we can keep it all in like one, like one piece of paperwork. So that helps. Before we had to go back and look through it all and that was A nightmare.

Actually, I didn't do it. Lacey just laughed, she did it. I'm not gonna ask him more follows because I don't want you indict yourself. I was like, yeah, let's encourage Max here. I'd say, tax loophole. Oh, Wesley Wamin wants to know your best Joel Damon story. Are there any good ones? I mean, so like not a great guy.

My best Joel Damon. So what are my favorites is I went over to he lives like really close to me and we went over to their house one night. And we're like having dinner and drinking or whatever and the his wife and lace here like inside, you know, just talking and Joel was like, hey, do you want to go out and play darts in the backyard? I'm like, sure, I was like, I'm not great at darts. He's like, oh, I'm actually pretty. I'm really good at darts. He's like, well, we'll do a deal. Loser of darts has to shotgun a white law. And he's like, we'll also do, you know, play bags, cornhole and do one other thing. And every station we got to, we kept telling him how good he was at it, and he would like, spot me something, or this and that, and he like, felt bad. And I'm not good at any of them, so I'm not saying that I was good. He just was not good that night at any of them, and he lost all three of them.

And I was breaking up, but go, Joel, oh, you're really good at darts. I mean, he was out for him, like, he's not a braggadocious guy at all. So when he was just like, out really saying, I'm really good at this. I was like, oh, my god, this guy's gonna be like, the best art player he's not a braggadocious guy at all. So when he was just like, out really saying, I'm really good at this. I was like, oh my god, this guy's gonna be like, the best art player he's ever seen. And he lost to me and I stink at all three of those things. So that was great, but pretty much every Joel's story is amazing.

He really is just like the most interesting fun dude out here. He's like the most, like they talk about someone like being a common man. That is the true common man. He would, he would do, he would get a beer with anybody in the world if you would just sit there Just be like a normal cool guy with them. He's awesome. It's like the modern triathlon you guys had going there Yeah, it was a real it was the least amount of sweating for triathlon of all time The hardest part was the shotgun Brandi you got anything else? Uh, uh, yeah,

your dodges and trouble max well. Are we feeling good? Watch the game last night? Well, I gotta say, yeah, taking litin' in San Francisco. It's got a heavy feeling good, huh? You know, they say the series is a start so you lose a game of home, so I guess

the series has begun. Oh, man. I gotta tell you, I'm rooting for the Giants. Oh, my goodness. Thanks, man. That was a cool segue. Am I nervous? Yeah, just because like, dude, it's such a weird... It was crazy to me first off that the Giants and Dodgers have never played a series in the playoffs against each other,

which doesn't seem possible. And second off, just like... The Giants were projected in Vegas to win like 75 games. I think this year they won 167. So they just have that magic thing. It's an odd number of year, which is the only years that they win all these world series. And they just seem to like have the juice, but I mean, the daughters are stacked. They've spent a gazillion dollars to make sure that their team is good.

I thought the giants only win the even years, is that right? No, it's odd. It was like 11 13 15. No, no, no, it was even. Come on. It wasn't even. I've had this wrong the whole time. I'm back. I'm not nervous at all. I'm not nervous at all. I'm back. Yeah, because I know 2012 was a source for so long. 12, 13, 16. Yeah, Red sat in 2,0 in the going home to Great American. Buster Posey Grand slam. I remember that way. Yeah, I hate that guy. He's so good.

I know that. Dines, that's what worries. They just have some of that that voodoo witchcraft about him. They really do. They got some. They got a horseshoe somewhere. I'm rooting for the Dodgers max because my playoff rooting is only against like it's only for team like I've just root against the teams I hate just because I want my friends

teams to lose. But you're not in that category. I would root for you because I don't I don't hate your your fandom. Thank you. I needed that. You're welcome. You're welcome. All the older Reds fans are just cringing right now. That's fine. That's fine. I needed that. You're welcome. You're welcome. All the older reds fans are just cringing right now. That's fine. That's fine. I'm setting up for them. They're not my rival. I need a series against DJs newly found white socks fandom. Yeah. Well, they might we're recording Sunday night. It might be. Yeah. It might be turning. I got a ramp at this and get this out. That comments. Relay. Relay. Relay. Relay. Relay. Relay. Relay.

Relay. Relay. Relay. Relay. But Max, thanks for coming on tonight, man. It's actually been a little while since we had you on and congrats again on all the success. And thanks for helping us recap the week. And hope we see you soon. I don't know when it'll be, but hope to see you soon. Hey guys, thank you so much. It was also nice. We skyped this. So I can see your guys' faces. I haven't seen you guys since forever, so this is nice.

If you win this week, go into the casino and put it all on red for me and me, and myself. Strap voice. All right, you got it. You got it, right? I will put it all on red for you. All right, if I win, and you don't hear from me, I'm in Cuba.

Thank you, everyone, for tuning in. We'll see you back here next week. Cheers. Be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. How about in? That is better than most.

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