No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 489: CJ Cup Recap

Episode Date: October 18, 2021

Rory wins his 20th career PGA Tour event in a birdie fest at the CJ Cup in Las Vegas.  We recap his performance, give our reactions to Rickie's return to contention, the golf course, the TV coverage issues and a ton more. Plus, we examine Phil's rants against the USGA's new equipment rule and answer some of your questions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. T.C. is here. Hello, T.C. I'm back. I'm ready to roll. Is Rory back is the question. I think we're going to get to that. I think but first you're going to tell us about OGO. I am. I have been traveling a lot this year. I put a new travel cover in play. The Alpha travel cover mid. You're out on the on the mutant. I was respecting the troops with the with ops, savage, yeah, alpha travel cover mid, put that in play back in,

I'm gonna say March, and it's been fantastic. It's got this pocket on top, it's got two, like, cinches. And you don't get back, you don't get overweight baggage fees, so you can stuff as much stuff in there. I get up to 70 pounds on my airline school. I was gonna say, we're not turning this into an airline reef. We're turning this into an OGE. It's a three bags as well. Like tomorrow, I'm I have to travel tomorrow. Let's stay focused on the OGEO part of this reef. Well, it is ties in. Tomorrow I have to travel with both

my left hand. It's in my right hand. And you got space for that. And that plan I'm putting them both in the same in the same travel bag. The Alpha Travel Cover Med from O from OGO. OGO.com, I've been stuck on the mutant. I got it like four years ago and it's lasted all the way until then. So I'm not in on the new stuff. I'm with you. I got all the stickers are peeling off the mutant but the mutants holding strong.

Well, so now we have it. We just all watched it. It was probably the most exciting part of the day and we can defend it all the safe after a long time without a win. You know, he's talked about it a lot. Most recently he talked about it on the No Langing Up podcast, Lee Janssen wins the SaaS championship this afternoon.

Huge playoff victory. That was cool to see bonus golf as well. Yeah. It's a ton of fun to watch. Yeah, some extra golf. That was that really. 57 years old. 57.

No joke. We're kind of joking. We're starting with that But we did a podcast with them this past week the fear of good friends. We haven't aired it yet And I just asked him at the end like what do you what do you still compete for you know as he look at his recent record It's not very good and he was like yeah, I want to win I want to win again on this tour. It's what I want and I'm not saying I laughed at it But I was kind of like man. You're not like trending that direction and sure enough

He goes out and wins the next week. So congrats to him. That was awesome. He's got two US opens. Another guy we'll talk about only has one. Can you give him the one that he did with? Exactly. We can be useful.

Give him, is the NLU bump existed? It has been published yet. I think so, right? We just talked. That's the therapy of it, right? Yeah, it's not out in the world, though. I mean, that's a therapy of it. Yeah, it's not out in the world though. That's an interesting concept there.

I think the NLU bump, it can go a lot of different directions. Guys that have turned down requests, week up have gone out to win as well. I think just me asking is what gives you the bump that you need. The bump is alive, if anyone that's asking about whether the podcast bump still exists. Everyone's asking. Many people are asking. So I want to start our little Rory discussion here, of course, the winner of the CJ Cup. And we're gonna, we could start with hamster if we want to.

We're gonna get to that, I promise. But Rory winning, I think it changes the priority of the evening. He started the week by saying, sometimes I give myself too easy of a time and I try to play it off with that golf doesn't define me and I've got balance in my life and I'm happy. If I'm honest, sometimes I maybe use that as a way to lessen the blow if I don't play

good golf. Does that not sound like our conversation from the British open the summer? Very much so or like or the writer or the writer. Or the other couple is like, hey man, like you know what, like is this what like do you want to be a golfer? Do you want to be like an extraordinarily rich businessman? Yeah, I'm thinking of like when he like had that, you know, did you put too much pressure trying to win it

too much and he had the quote of like, yeah, my life is great and all that. Like Ryder Cup, I think he had like a moment of, you know, that was almost a different, you know. But our conversation at the Ryder Cup was, was, the Saturday night conversation was the one that I'm thinking of and I thought a lot about, you know, because if you go back and listen to that, we're pretty hard on them.

And I think we're hard on them in a way that is, it's like disappointing when you see someone that has so much skill and is so good, could be so good at what they're doing because you know you've seen it in the past. And it feels like they're not letting themselves go. You know, they're not, they're not like, they're playing defensively.

And so today, getting in his own way, getting in his own way. And then, yeah, just, you know, playing, I don't know, it's like when in football, like, you know, you're not playing downhill as a coach is used to say. It's like, it just feels like for the last two years, Rory has been, he hasn't been playing downhill as much. He's still been winning some, but it didn't feel like, you know, basically the, the GIF, the Omar GIF, right?

I'm like, oh my god, here he comes. This is the first time I've ever hit Rory Cumin. you know, basically the, the GIF, the Omar GIF, right? I'm like, oh my god, here he comes. This is the first time I've ever hit Rory Cummins. And he actually came back to win. I think it's the first one ever. I felt like that a while. So I had your question. I think there's so many spots.

Like we've had this conversation so many times about Rory and it's always come back to like unrealized potential sucks, right? It's, and we all root for him so much because he's one of the few guys, if not the only guy out there Right now that like maybe with the exception of Bryson, but like from I would say at least in the like ability like a guy that can be the needle and is also likeable, right? Yeah, and I think our our being hard on on Rory to your point Neil is like coming from a place of tough love

It's like we can see this right and I think he I don't think he would like coming from a place of tough love. It's like, we can see this, right? And I think he, I don't think he would like disagree with a lot of the things we've said about it. You know, he may, you know, go through periods where he thinks very differently. And this, I found his quotes very interesting after Ritri says, the last few months, I was trying to be someone else to try to get better and I sort of realized that being me is enough

and being me, I can do things like this. Hell yes. It's almost like someone finally locked him in a room and made him watch the 2014 PGA Championship on repeat. Time to a chair and said, that's you man. Yes, do that. You need to be swaggy like that again. It's unbelievable how different he's been

just the confidence in that, oozing swag hasn't been there in a while. So it felt like he's getting back to that a little bit today And you're right T.C. I think there's other worse in the world than wasted talent and You know as worry gets older you want to see him just like you know Let's put a career together here. You know, let's go get it and it is my understanding and I've not surprised This information has not been out there in the public that worry is exclusively working with Michael Bannon as of the conclusion of the Ryder Cup. That would mean no longer working with Pete Cowan.

You take his quote that he said afterward with that understanding, I believe that to be true based on all of the information I have and goes out and wins in his first start. And I want to I still think. But he owes Cowan all of his life. He might. He may have cow in some money still based on how cow it does his contracts and whatnot. But I think this was Roy like a power of the mental game when it comes to Rory. This is like a willing

willing this to happen more than it was the way that we're used to seeing Rory win. Both of his wins this year were just putting bananas. And you go back to Bay Hill when he like put it the lights out that week and won that one like that's not the way we're used to seeing worry when he was only 17th and strokes gain t degree in this week and including that that includes fifth in strokes gain around the green so like his approach came was 67th out of 78 guys with his iron plate shot 2500 that just shows how well they drove it and how well he put it well can, can we, we need to talk about that three would too. I was going to say, is the win official? Yeah.

Like it's been confirmed that they're not doing any suit to 90 testing on repeat, 290, 340 with the one on 14 that he hit. Well, in the 340 carry, no, 320 carry. Smash factor well above 1.5, which is very, which I don't know if tour radar numbers are final, but it, yeah, the number 18 today, when you know, he hits three wood, I think it was a 288 carry,

and then then on a stage is out there, you know, swinging out of his six to five carry with a driver's 265. I mean, that's gonna be tough to keep up with. Yeah, his smash on the 14th hole this week with with fairly wood, 152, 150, oh, one five one. So who knows how official those numbers are.

But anyways, you know, you know what I'm getting at though? Like I think you were all over this when he won at Quail Hollow and I wanted to get on the Rory train. I fell for it. You didn't fall for it. You said like this is a course that he can play in his sleep and you know, we don't need to get too hyped and that ended up being very accurate.

And I'm kind of reacting to this. I don't mean to downplay the win. I think this means a lot. I think this could do a lot for him mentally and springboard him in the next year. I think he would say he needs to even play better. Like he needs to hit the ball better. He has putter won them this tournament this week.

And his wedges are still the same old way. Yeah. And it's a fuzz. Yeah, it's not a real golf course. He plays really well on Fuzz courses. That's very accurate. Fuzz, why? Which is a great way to make a lot of money.

Yeah, it's a great way to make money. Which is what the Fuzz does. I actually, it might have got swept under the rug. I think the Fuzz is now the in-house architect for the Discovery Lanko. I mean, what a cash machine that business for the Fuzz is. Like, he just, I mean, he's just making golf courses in these developments all over the world.

It's unbelievable. It's a perfect fit, man. I was disappointed with the lack of a statement like signature waterfall this week though. Which maybe they just didn't have time in two hours of 20 minutes of coverage to really show us that there was a signature. There's a signature stream with very clear water

that you just do not see in. There were like all week on shot track, I was, there's many streams on the golf course. Maybe they're, I mean, knowing Discovery Landco, they might be stocked with, with Trial or Salmon or something. KJ Stewart DOF says was Rory's interview at the Ryder Cup, a pivotal career moment are there more majors in his future?

I'm gonna pick him to win the Masters. Oh my God. Really we're doing this? I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it because I just want to feel things and Rory makes me feel things. Can I kind of to flate you quickly? Yeah, please.

This one golf. I know, but I want to get hyped. I want to start looking forward to it. It wasn't golf, but it was a good sign. It's a great sign. I'm not saying I'm taking evidence of Rory's back. I'm just it room today even with how hard it was to watch golf even the you know hour that we watched two hours that we watched like I love watching Rory play well. So I want something to root for the next six months

and I want to root for him to just start trending towards the masters and I want to I want him to win the masters. So I'm going to pick him. I'm going to will it into existence. You know, I think you got something working in your favor. What's that Augusta National? Basically a Fogs course these days. Oh, that is interesting. That is interesting.

I didn't even think about that. All the stars are aligning, man. That is interesting. I will say it is great to see Rory walk to the walk again. He had a little walk go in this week. Good to see him win with what I would still consider not his best stuff by all means with his ball strike. That's fantastic signs.

Now, the questions that are asked in major championships are nothing like what was just at the same time. I, my eyes are wide open on this, right? But I feel like, again, I just want to feel some stuff. And I find myself, when people ask me, you know, don't play golf. Like who's your favorite golfer? You know, I'm like, I usually it's, it's Rory, right?

I almost I love Rory. I'm and because of how honesty is off the course, but also when he is playing well, he should joy to watch like, you know, case in point, the three woods we're talking about. Like, it's just like, God, that is awesome. I see somebody stripe one like that. Even if the club's illegal, I don't care. It looks fucking awesome.

It's not the illegal. It's not the illegal. The club being illegal doesn't mean that he should be able to swing at one 17 with a three wood, which that's just insane. You know, it's just a swing. It's just, it's, it's, it's artistic. It's going maybe two miles an hour. It's too fast.

He's so fluid. I love it. So I mean, his speed has, it's like people haven't talked enough about his speed just slowly, not even slowly, kind of rapidly. I mean, it gets dwarfed by what Bryson has added on, but he has increased his speed pretty dramatically. And, you know, hasn't, like, hasn't paid the dividends that he would like, of course, but I don't know, if he's going to drive it like that, then he doesn't need to hit great wedges, doesn't need to hit great approaches, and he's going to top 10 every week.

And if he puts well, he's going to win. I think for a long time, Rory played really, really, really great golf in non majors. And we just kept like getting to Thursday and trying to figure out why it wasn't happening. And then when the good golf and the regular events went away, that was like, hey, let's say attention over here. Like this is something's's not great over here. And if you can at least get back to playing Good Golf and regular tournaments, then we can get back in the major hype train.

I still think it's a very, very different question that is being asked. After this past year of majors and watching Oosthason and Moorakawa at St. George's and watching Keppka and Oosthen rise in many other majors watching ROM. It's a totally different question. And we had a long ways to go before we're back in any major, so I'm not going to get too, too tight in. But go out and win, Bay Hill again, go win farmers or whatever you're going to play. I'm curious, set up your schedule so that you're not stressed out. And let's put it

together in December of like, let's, you know, I hope he and the squad are getting together and they have a solid plan leading up to April. It's got two more starts this year. That's it. He's going to play in July. I'm surprised that he even had three stars after, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, three starts in three months is not a lot. So I think that's probably for him. Like, it maybe wasn't as burned out as we thought. And that is, you know, enough golf to stay somewhat fresh yet. Get the rest he needs. So I think that's probably for him, like it maybe wasn't as burned out as we thought, and that is enough golf to stay somewhat fresh yet get the rest he needs. And I think it's,

we talked about this for our own internal schedule. So as a company, like you can't overreact to this past year because there's not gonna be another year like this past year. There's just not. Well, or he realized too that like being at home with a little one is more exhaustive. It's traveling.

TC, I want to get on the record. Is the Macrib back? Yes or no? I believe it's coming back next month at McDonald's, like November 2nd or something like that. But I think we had said that Macrib is back. I had said that Macrib is back after Sunday at the Ryder Cup. Okay. You know, I think I had two minutes of that.

All right. Cool. Interesting, rory thing that I'm just looking at his career record. This takes out any Euro tour, obviously, but it's first 13 wins on the PGA tour of those 10 or majors WGC's or Playoff events. I would say just from a very efficiency, like making money efficiently, that's the most efficient wins you can possibly have. I would have to say so. like making money efficiently, that's the most efficient wins you can possibly have.

I would have to say so. Especially with the playoff, you know, the big bonuses that come with FedEx got playoffs and whatnot. But, and we're saying, do you think that when $1.7 million hits Rory's bank account this week, do you think he notices it? How much money do you think?

I don't know, I'm trying to answer that legitimately. $1.7 million, I think, I mean, I would guess that the checking accounts stays in the tens of millions. So it probably, not probably not. No, I don't think so. You know what I mean? It was probably like a 2%. You know what I'm trying to think about the bump that it would hit, like with the graphs in his account start to go up, probably not in a big way.

It was probably 1.7 plus because having his name in the public eye the last couple of days probably vaulted him up another spot in the pit. You know, so they came up in the game. Potential, you know, sponsored like bonuses. I'm sure there's some wins in there with Nike or whoever, right? That was, yeah, that was the second win of the year. Shirtled. Yeah.

What's he up to? That's wild. What's he going to be up to and back in the world golf ranking? Because he was down to like 11th, right? That was, yeah, that was the second win of the year, shirtl. What's he up to? That's wild. What's he gonna be up to, and back in the world, golf ranking, because he was down to like 11th, right? He was 14th. He was behind on a save coming into this week. I saw that this week. I don't know exactly what to do. So this was a 613 strength of field.

Rory will be eighth according to VC606 on Twitter. So back in the top 10. Back in the top 10, just behind JT, just ahead of Louis Ustazen. So top, the top 10, back in the top 10, just behind JT, just ahead of Louis Ustazen. So top, yeah, top world rankings, Ram one, DJ two, Moricaille three, Cantlet four, Zander five, Bryce and six, JT seven, Rory eight, Louis nine, Keppga 10, Finau Abe, Speed, English, Victor Hothlund after that. I do want to say, you said something about he's continue to get speed earlier. I think that's a really good point and you compared it to Bryson.

He's been able to pick up speed and still, you know, back to what I was saying earlier, so it looks so elegant. You know, like it hasn't impacted the, like the rhythm of his swing. He said a little bit at the players, right? He said, like, I've been chasing it a little bit. But like today, it looks like the same fluid, elegant, elegant, athletic, Rory that we all want to come back. But who knows, maybe that's what's messing with his wedges, too. Potentially.

I just feel like he should never hit anything close to a full swing wedge. I feel like he over swings the wedges, but he's taking too big of a cut sometimes. I have more. I just ignore it. One. Yeah. Brewery at average clubhead speed in 20, 20, 20 year was 119 average clubhead speed in

20, 21, 122. She. Three miles an hour is a lot of increase. Yeah. I mean, that's not again, not Bryson increased, but that's, he's, uh, that's, that's a real thing. Bryson, I think, went up seven miles an hour from 125 to 132. Oh, what a joke. You want to talk BDR?

You see next? Yeah, I think BDR is BDR back. I mean, I would love to get Randy's definitive opinion on this. We should have forced him to call in. If Ricky had won, we should have forced him to call in. Randy's got the night off and you don't want to bug the big guy. I'm glad he's not calling in because this was pretty case in point. Yeah, what? This was not a unlucky. This was very much just didn't fight out, didn't have it today, which back no, is he stepping the right direction for

sure? And I want, I want Ricky to get back in the, you know, let's start with the top 50, you know, like that would be great. I like having Ricky around get back and let's start with the top 50. That would be great. I like having Ricky around. I find his golf swing interesting and I have no, you know, I don't root against Ricky. I think he's overexposed and over marketed, but I don't think that he's, you know, he's not a villain to me on tour like some other guys are. Ricky playing poor golf is not fun for anyone. Yeah, you can't nobody enjoys watching Ricky struggle. He is going from 128 to 82nd in the world with this T3 finish. That's useful. I would say Ricky's back.

I mean, he led the field in strokes and T2 green this week. And I mean, his putting let him down. He was 51st and putting and finished what three shots out of losing only to Rory and Colin more. A cava. I mean, that's a freaking heck of a week. It's bad order to do the shoot 71. He was sloppy today, doubling the par five six on a horrible three putt from 18 feet on 10. It looked like he was going to actually make a move on Rory gets a crazy lucky up and down on 10 and Ricky three putt of that one. I did not see that one coming.

But he's tough like he's back, which I guess kind of shows that maybe he was never there. Like if he's back, we just got to 80 second in the world. Like that's, that's, you know, 80, no, like, you know what I'm trying to say? The world rankings are messed up. Like that per point, he has not gone out and led a incredible field in ball striking in a very, very, very long time. I wouldn't use Ricky as your argument that the world rankings are fast. No, no, he's saying just getting to 82nd is not like, it's not, it's not like, that's where Rikki's gonna stay. That's not what he, that's not what I mean.

Well, I was also kind of making the point of like, that's, Rikki's never been as good as he was marketed to be. So like, oh, he's back to 82nd. Yeah, Rikki's back, you know, like, he's kind of just back in the middle of the pack, but he's, you know, oh, he led the tournament for a while, like, yeah, he's back in the mix. So, I guess he's back.

I think Rikki's simultaneously overrated and underrated his career. Okay. I think he's to the point now where he's probably underrated because he's, I mean, coming off two MCs here, his last top 10 was the PGA, but I feel like that there was one of those the nightest, darkest before the dawn kind of thing. His swing looked good this week. Like I've got a feeling it's like he's been working hard for long enough now. And he's got this incoming dose of perspective.

Coming like future perspective. It's got to, you know, it's got to be coming close. Otherwise, it's like, yo, like maybe like if it's not close, he's just going to quit. Well, I would say I'd feel differently if he led the field in putting this week and didn't hit a great. And it's the opposite. Like he didn't put it great. And it's the opposite. Like he didn't put it great. And he's as Ricky, as Randy would say, he's the best putter in the world.

So he didn't fake it this week, my point. It's something too. We're like, you know, the course was obviously dog shit, but it's not like there's not some of the best golfers in the world playing too. I mean, work out Sam Burns, like another, another top five. On real, man, uh, Sungjae was, you know, came in red hot. Adam Scott played really well. Like, spieth, Thomas, Hovlin, softly all in the field. 24 of the top 30 in the field. Yeah.

This week, I mean, it was, it was a, we can talk about whatever this event is and why, um, I think we should cover a little bit of Morakal before we get to that. But Morakal out in 29 on Sunday, final round 62 with an eagle on the last. This was his fourth event, not counting the open championship, which we don't have the data on.

Fourth event in 2021, where he was positive strokes came putting. Three of those four finishes, he finished in the top two, the other one was a T7. I would honestly, this might be vindication for T.C. T.C. has been, he's been since the colonial in 2020. T.C. has been like, more caught.

We've got to watch his putting. It's not good. You said you weren't concerned. I'm going to give you the opportunity, Sally. Are you concerned now? I can confirm what has been confirmed many times that we are definitely concerned about the putting. We've mentioned it many, many, many times since then. At that moment, I kind

of thought, he's just growing into it. He'll be fine. And it, it, he still is volatile with the putter. Like he can have super hot weeks. And when he does, like he just blows people away. And if he ever gets it consistent, he's going to make $100 million on tour probably. He cooled off on the back nine. I mean, shut, I guess he eagled 18, but shut 62 with pars on seven of his last nine home, which is pretty remarkable. Yeah, I think the one that kind of stalled him out, he missed a, missed an eight footer on 15

that was kind of the, you know, it was like, all right, dude, that you had to make that one to kind of put a scare in a row. Yeah, 24 under, just tough week for more for more colleges couldn't couldn't get it done. 65 62 on the weekend. To not win. Can we talk about summit then? I know we've kind of we've kind of hinted at it here, but before we get before we get to that, you know, I want to we have talks in NFL because NFL fans, if you're hungry for

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Lot easier to do it now that Indiana got with it. But yeah, NFL wise, I watched some of the Broncos game today Teddy bridge water. He looks like a high school quarterback man, but T.C You and I are still alive in the survival league got three entries. I got two still alive green Bay got got it done today instead of the Colts I'm a Jags Jags getting the W in London London. Yeah home game over the honestly I mean, I know you don't want to give Urban E credit, but that that fourth down play to get the first down and then kick the

field goal at the end of the game. What they want in the spite of Urban today. That was a pretty, pretty poorly coached game. But that was a nice like that was great strategy at the end like to get that field goal off. But once it's time for them to like when losing is starting to hurt you,

like when their seasons are already done, or winning actually hurt you, they start to win. But no, hold on, they just broke the longest, second longest losing streak in NFL history. Yeah, it's part of the time. They had to do that. You just gotta get that off the line.

Bottom line, my two big takeaways, Trevor Lawrence, obviously a dog. I mean, he's just like, he's slinging it. And then, B, James Robinson's a stud. And the fact that like, Urban didn't even give him the ball for the first three't even give him the ball for the first three or four weeks of the year and tried to draft it another running back

in the first round when you have, like James Robinson is running behind one of the worst offensive lines. Of the last three or four years in the league, and he's absolutely crushing people. So I'm gonna pivot us now because I don't wanna wind up TC too much on Urban. And I want Urban to feel free. I'm sorry, I'm so happy TC too much on urban. And I want to urban to feel free.

I'm sorry. That was you knew. Teed that one out on the side. Stay behind over in London. Feel free to take an extra day or two. I will say before we talk about summit, it's worth the summit. The worth the summit. It's worth saying it's a one off event.

I do think it should maybe be viewed through a different, different lens, different spectrum. But to have like no fan, almost no fans out there, and a golf course in the middle of the desert for like the most elite of the elite, and like not even air it, I don't wanna even conflate that with the, the coverage take with the golf course, but a complete total birdie fest out there,

I just like was very confused with what this tournament is. I know it's supposed to be in Korea, and they could have canceled it, and they could have done a lot of different things, but I don't know, man This was a weird golf course. I think you nailed it with the Korean sponsor, right? Having CJ. I think the fact that they can't do it. They can't do it in Korea. It doesn't sound like

That it sounds like a sponsor is like yeah, we just we want a sponsor tournament. So you guys tell us Like where you want to do it and then you know, there's no thought put into like the local vibe or anything like that. It's like, oh no, we just do it this summer club. Like they got the facility for it and that sounds great. You know what I mean? So this is the one last year that they had at Shadde Creek. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, it seemed like either that contract that they've got with CJ is airtight or CJ has more money than they know what to do with. Because at some point, it's like, what's the point? Well, I know this tournament is enormous for Korea, like and CJ in Korea. So basically, it's been awesome to lodge. Yeah, it's been Korea.

All the ads in the US are for BBGO. Like that's the only part of CJ, which is this enormous conglomerate. That's the only part that's like marketable or relevant to the US. That's why you see the same ads. Which I do want to I want to give BB go a pass on running the same commercial, not only, you know, three times a commercial break, but same one is last year. Those dumplings, they're

fire. They he are fire. And I've been looking for them in the frozen food section. So I don't know why that commercial hits for me. So I'll give them a pass, but that's similar to the RBC, Dustin Johnson commercial. You know, there's not a lot of effort being put in by the title sponsor, but you give them a pass. But I give them a pass because the dumplings are fire.

I went to the CJ Cup in Korea and they had like full BBGO like concession stands and you get like all these awesome dishes that are not like frozen microwaveable dishes but like stuff you can buy in the grocery store and stuff and it was, they were fantastic. I will say that but. CJ logistics, you know, they're in big choke points too. So.

I just, I can't do a birdie fest of that magnitude. There were three holes that played over par this week on the entire golf course. Tremendous home game for guys too. A lot of guys. Like Mad McNeely, Morkawa, who else lives out there? Tommy Armer the third. Yeah, yeah, I've actually driven through

the property four years ago. Mark Davis, when it was being built, the course wasn't. It was like the course was either an in play, but we saw it was heck half built, I think. And it's the moon. Like, and it's pretty far outside, you know, Las Vegas, like the strip, it's up kind of up this hill and it just feels like, you know,

you're on a different planet up there. And then, yeah, then look, I mean, just when they did the aerial shots and you see thousands of palm trees that they brought in, I mean, it just like, kind of makes your head explode with, you know, sustainability stuff. Or just, it's just all, it's like, man, this is very like fake and vapid.

And, but honestly, if you get invited to the play, it's kind of nice to do. And like, I wonder, I'd like to do a conference. I'd like to do a conference. I would just, I would love to know what the pros thought about the conference stations, you know? That's what those courses are known for.

It's kind of like anything goes out there, you can play in your bare feet, you can, you know, they got a full bar, you know, there's no attendant, you just take what you want. So it's a different type of golf that a lot of people enjoy, but I don't particularly enjoy watching the pros play it because that course is built for a lot of like really bad and really rich golfers play, right?

So it's not like, it's not really set up for, you know, good viewing for me as an avid golf fan. Yeah, I just don't know why I'm watching pros play it. It's actually like I'm cool. You know, it's like, yeah, that's a fun course to play as an amateur, but I don't need to watch those guys go shoot 25. They should have let the pros ride in carts this week, you know, just have a roll around and drop top carts.

You could have fooled me and told me that this was the Saudi event. Like, if you said, hey, they're in Saudi Arabia this week and didn't show any picture, like any long panoramic views. Like, you could have easily said, hey, they're right next to the Red Sea. This is- You were wondering where the Red Sea was. Like, I had a top 20 play on Paul Casey this week.

My man shot 17 under this week. Didn't top 20. That one hurts a little bit. To average, better than 68 for a week at top 20. I don't know. It was just like, Rory had three holes left the other one shot later. There was like 90, it was like 98% on data golf.

Like he was just never gonna lose it. But like for a one off, wouldn't you, there's so many interesting golf courses on the West Coast of the United States. Yeah. Like what a waste of opportunity, right? I know, that's what I was trying to say earlier interesting golf courses on West Coastie United States. Yeah. What a waste of opportunity, right? That's what I was trying to say earlier with the sponsor.

It's almost like if the sponsor doesn't care, it's like the tour doesn't care. They're just like, what is the path of least resistance? What is the most, I don't know, controlled environment. There's this brand new course that, I don't know, I'm sure some of the executives are out there all the time. Like, oh, this place is great. Let's just do it here, you know.

It's just, there's no imagination put into it because they don't have to because they're not being pushed by a sponsor to think creatively. And if you're not having a bunch of fans and you don't have a big corporate hospitality build out, like you don't have to worry about that for a venue. You could go literally anywhere.

And if it's not going to be on TV. Yeah, it's time. be on TV. Yeah. And it's time. Like, did they even have the tournament? Or did they just simulate it? Today was, I don't even, today was almost, it was pretty much the opus. That was pretty much like the only, I'm mad.

I was, it was hysterical. I mean, it was so comical to like, it was the least amount of pushback I've ever gotten for complaining about television coverage, because everyone was in on a JT, actually got a cult note, actually agreed with us, and for not being on TV,

like the broadcast started 41 minutes into its window, which the window started two hours and 10 minutes after Rory and Ricky teed off in the final group together. Let me, I wanna paint a quick picture as had a great Sunday, had my future parents in law were in town, so I was kind of, you know, checked out until this morning, but I got back and I, and Solid and I talked this morning,

we were gonna do some, was like, hey, come over to the kill house, like just like the old days, we're gonna sit down and watch a golf, we have a little watch party, do a little 2022 planning, you know, we're all jacked up. I come down the stairs, I just take a shower, and Solid was like, hey, bud, you ready to watch a golf. We have a little watch party, do a little 2022 planning. You know, we're all jacked up. I come down the stairs, I just take it a shower. And so I was like, hey, bud, you ready to watch some golf?

I was like, yeah, hell yeah, it's like cool, we can't. I was like, what are you talking about? And he explained the whole situation to me. I was like, what the fuck? Like, you know, imagine any other sport or like show or station that says they're gonna play something at this time and you set up, you set up a date with your friends to go watch it.

There's nothing else out there that would do that. It's fucking crazy. Not only that, people pay for PGA tour live. They're not showing it. Is this not what the cock is for? The cock is so many people ask the cock. They're asking about the cock. The cock will never help you.

It's never gonna be additive. It is, they're only gonna move television coverage to the cock that's gonna be, like frustrate you. It's never gonna be bonus. That's gonna be you, and me, and the cock, and playing house, okay? Get that through your fucking head. Stop asking, you know, what is the cock for?

It's not for this. It's not for any additive thing to your life ever when it comes to live sports, okay? It is going to be an inconvenience to you. That's one thing. Two, they said on the screen, the stream has now started on golf channel.com. You go there and says coverage will start soon. It didn't even start. Then it fires up and they're playing the champion store coverage on golf channel.com. The tour coverage was nowhere to be found. And they started padding themselves on the back, which I felt bad for Kera.

Kera banks it. Like, she's in a shitty spot, of course. Like, even the golf channel people, like, it's not their fault that, like, the tour golf channel leadership, NBC leadership, like, whoever's in charge of this shit, just figure the shit out. It's not that difficult.

You're fucking moral. But, question, does this have something to do with it not being in Korea? Like is the window built out three years in advance where it's like, like I can understand that last year, right, when it's everything got nuked on the schedule. Yeah. But I would think that a year ahead of time, they would have known, okay, we're going to have this prime time West Coast window.

Maybe we need to have the PGA tour on golf channel and we need to bump the champion. Like you would think that that would have been considered. We've got it. It's on top of mine. Not like all well, you know, I can understand if they thought it was gonna be in Korea at 1 a.m. right? So it's not like some of it had been a different window.

Like it would not have been the window that we were watching, right? So that shouldn't be an excuse. We're also not like there was no LPGA today. And it's not like we're talking about an opposite field event. It's 24 the top 30 in the world, we're playing this term. It's limited field.

And we're always gonna get a good leaderboard. Nine and a half million dollars. On, of course, no one's ever seen before in Las Vegas. Like it's showbiz. Let's go. What are we doing? You can stretch it into prime time a little bit. And I know you're going against football.

It's like you've got CNBC, you've got MSNBC. You've got NBC sports gold. you've got PGA tour live, you've got golf channels online streaming, you've got so much different shit that you can do. And like they just say, no, you're not gonna do any of it. We can't do it. And then once they started, they keep going double box, but the boxes are so shrunk.

Yeah, I know, they can't even do double box right. And meanwhile, I've got red zone going on another channel. I know. I got quad box. Quad box, I go watch it all. And it's flowing, it's working for me. It is, there's no more polar opposite of transition your Sunday from red zone channel to watch it golf.

It's like the hardest working people in sports are just like doing everything in their power to bring you all the information from all these different It's like pretty parallel to golf of like all the reasons we get if I go you don't understand we're 18 different arenas We all these balls and play so does red zone And it's not like we're talking about a really dynamic forward thinking organization with the NFL like they get so much stuff wrong too Or like even on regular TV stuff they get when one of the games goes long They can't cut in,

it happened last week, but somehow they've gotten red zone, right? And then, once coverage actually starts, they have to cram in. The same commercial load into like a shot out to those dumplings. 40% out to those job-waters. It's so insulting and infuriating. It's hysterical at this point. Yeah, it is. And it's, you know, we're into about to enter in a new contract year, you know, put between the tour and the networks and only based on everything I've heard, it's going to get worse before it gets better. I want to have one like the

cherry on top. Which is amazing. Is there a before it gets better? It's just never going to get better. It's going to get worse. The cherry on top for me is when you can tell that the run of show has been nuked. And so they, you know, they're going double-bots, right? And then they come in and they throw like a million commercials at you and they show you a couple tap in puts and all this. And then about 30 minutes in, they hit you with the intro.

Yeah. But like, you know, brought to you like, Pigeotourgol, it's like, oh, you shit. Now he can start. They're on fucking 15. There's standing on 15. It's unbelievable. And it's it's the guy that they pushed out of the roads more than anybody. Ricky and they and the guy that you know second Most pushed out of the roads. Rory going at it with the new rising star more Kawa. It's like holy shit guys This is like your dream. This is the whole fall.

Like you're not gonna get a better situation than that this fall. Only thing I'll say is maybe, I don't know how exactly how it works for the fall events, but in some scenarios, usually lesser tours like Cornfairy, LPGA, like the sponsor or the event has to buy TV time, right? And I don't know if that's a similar thing in the fall,

like it's CJ buys three hours instead of five or whatever it is. But at some point, if you have like 24 of the top 30 guys in the world playing, you should have to buy TV time because you put up such a big ass purse, right? Right. I mean, shit, like there was a 10 minute stretch today. It was like playing through and then they showed Hatten hitting a, what they called a provisional after he walked back to the tee after looking for it for three minutes

So clearly not provisional then Rory and Ricky eating on the tee box and then a look at the future schedule and then a no-context Sandburn shot just out of nowhere and then went back to commercial. Yeah, I mean, that's I don't even track that that's not anymore That's like that's that's that's budgeted in the normal. I would like to say that this was very cathartic. It was a good old classic hamstand. We needed to get some like police sirens on the soundboard or something when it's coming. Air horn, no, it's gotta be like,

like, oh shit. It's hamstand, oh shit. It just needs a good old fashioned sirens. I will say Tyler Munson's seven, his question, did the coverage nephew, Snephew make the week more entertaining? 100% because once the golf came on, the boring part was not for it.

It was more entertaining when they weren't on. Yes. But they, and they did not hustle to get over from champions to where they showed the full lead events and interview. Schwab Cup update, the whole thing. So, and why, what serious question? Why the hell would that playoff not move to online?

Like, what, what do we do it here? Which, I have a question is why, why can't, and maybe you guys can't answer this, but why isn't PGA Tor live? Why can't they play the, why don't they play it on there? Just contract rights? Was there even PGA Tor live this week? I, I do not think there was.

Is this something like, you know, shame on the PGA Tor also because they've been charging people. That's what I'm saying, there was something like, you know, shame on the PGA tour also because they've been charging people. That's what I'm saying. Each month when that like, I don't think at least I don't think this month there's been PGA tour live yet. I know at least some weeks they haven't even had PGA tour live, but people are paying for it.

There was PGA tour live this week. Thursday through Sunday. No, I don't say Thursday through Friday. Yeah, there were feature groups on PGA trail. Or like, why can't they just bump the champions guys up? I think he'd off it like, like, noon or 11. No, it was amazing. And it's the only week that I think I can find myself really actually caring about for this fall. But I guess I'm holding out a little bit of hope that when the, you know, new contract comes into play, the ESPN plus stuff might provide a little bit better

streaming like a, like, you know, somebody that's a better at that than just the, the doc or like the PGA toward lot, like, there's just a lot of almost people trying to do the streaming when they're not pros at it. Like ESPN might have a better handle on that. So hopefully that could be a better outlet for something like this in the future. I think the ESPN's just the distribution mechanism though. It's still coming from PGA Tour Entertainment who's producing. I'm guessing that budget goes up though with the money they're getting from ESPN. I mean, they bare bones PGA Tour live, which I'm cool with.

I think it's additive to golf fans for the most part. But yeah, they definitely get short change when it comes to this time here. What's not what the actual broadcast off the hook? You like it, it looked like a PGA tour live set up this week too. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was. It was farce. Sonja and Kim's putt on 18. A lot of questions about this one.

He has a four footer for birdie that lips all the way around. It was, he was clearly inside the time. He walks around it for 25 seconds that it falls in and everyone acted like it was a birdie. And I'm sitting here like, wait, we went through this in April. Went with Seewoo Kim left one on the lip for a minute and the ruling was clearly like,

if your ball comes to arrest for 10 seconds, reasonable amount of time to walk there and 10 seconds when you get there. That ball is deemed to be at rest. And it was so clearly not that time period. It falls in and everyone just celebrated it was a birdie. I thought it was going crazy. It took like an hour for them to finally make the scoring update.

Nobody got to him before he signed his card. Nobody said anything to him. How did Prost not know that rule? How is somebody not waiting there for him in scoring before he even looks his card? How does no one on the telecaster's pros that are, you know, it stands as not a professional golfer. He's one calling it, like if he doesn't know the rule, that's fine.

I understand that, but like there's professional golfers in the booth that don't know that rule. And when we just had the example, like a few months ago, I don't know, that was a weird sequence. It finally did get corrected and it cost him about $20,000. I also want to give the broadcast a shout out for Colin. Ricky, chicken. Yo, yeah.

We called him chicken on. Four 13, it's driver, par four. And Roy hits the green with three wood. Driver driver. Ricky, you know, kind of hits a, he hits a queen. And just balls like mid flight. And like, oh, chicken. Because he bailed out right basically. And just balls like mid flight. And go, oh, chicken.

Because he bailed out right, basically. And then about 30 minutes later, that was way too late. It was like, oh, and that's, he's definitely not a chicken. Like, I think about a chicken. Like, they started going back and probably got a call on the red phone. And he was on an e-dra. And then you said something mildly mildly negative about one

of our players. You have to retract. This is a lady. It was very like noticeable that the word chicken kept being used. Like a lot more, more times that I've heard of the toward chicken used in last five years. Why are you saying chicken? Why is everybody talking? Especially because the same dumplings, not chicken.

The same thing was a couple weeks ago, huh? But what? I just, I couldn't believe that. That was great. I also loved it before they cut over. You could tell Whit Watson was like, he was, you could tell in his voice, he was uncomfortable because you could tell in his head,

he's like, hey, people are losing their fucking minds on Twitter. Like, we don't know what to do, but this thing just keeps going on and on. Like, thank God Lee Janssen hit that pot. Oh my God. What would have happened if that had gone a good another couple of holes? I seriously, somebody might have gotten fired.

Somebody's still shit, I don't know who, but somebody should get fired. Yeah, we have no idea who. Yeah, I don't know who. But just imagine like living in a world, like, you know, we're going back to it, but living in a world where the person in charge, whoever it is at golf channel, it's Molly Solomon

or somebody else on that side. And some of those people like work in the headquarters in Pontavigia now, they're down the hall. If somebody can't just pick up the phone and call Jay Monahan or whomever and just say, hey, like. We gotta do something. But this isn't working.

Like, can we just, what are we gonna do today? Like, we'll throw the contract aside, and we'll just, we'll net each other up somehow. Live stream this somehow. Take a cell phone out there if you have to. Like, it just makes, they had cameras out there. They're showing highlights on the tour cast of, like, Rory and Ricky's second, or approach shots in a number two.

Like, the tour didn't tweet a highlight during any of that time period that they weren't on the air. Like, it wasn't like, there was just a coverage pocket, there was no highlights. It's just like instead of deciding to do something or trying to do anything, they just don't, they don't do anything. It was amazing.

They did nothing. Yeah, and, you know, I hadn't been on the pod in a while, so I'm like, I'm looking forward to watching. Watch it go. I was like, I feel like I couldn't even study for the test. It just made me go. It just made me go. It's like, I go with the hell, man, I'm trying to watch. And the people that get on us for complaining too much about it,

like that's the exact feeling. It's like, I love to talk about the golf. If I could see enough of the golf talk about it, like I was like, shit, I'm gonna go to this pod, and I'm not having to fucking say other than, this wasn't in the study guy. Yeah, exactly. Like, I don't have fucking cliff notes.

And then they had a tweet up, they was like, hey, here's how to watch. Yeah, exactly. Like, I don't even fucking cliff notes. And then they had a tweet up. They was like, hey, here's how to watch. Oh, god. So Jacob, the reply is their pinned tweet, right? It had two, three hundred replies of just people. I mean, it was an inferno. And that was before I retweeted it. All right.

This was, this has been really fun. And, you know, for people to say we complain for sure. This is what we complain. I've also enjoyed this. This has been really fun and you know for people to say we complain For sure this is what we Completed also enjoyed this is a very good thing sometimes they're complaining is fun and stuff and sometimes it's like Oh, you guys are picking it sometimes we're picking it. We're not picking it. I don't think we are I think this is very justified Strepper had a 61 on Thursday. I'm sorry about your first round leader Betsy had out there Neal but yeah, I did watch some on Thursday and that was a little depressed because none of my seed rounds panned out my Y-combinator play.

I mean, it's just, yeah, it's like Stribb. He shot 61 with a bogey. Yeah, I don't know, man. That just tells you how hard the course is. No offense to Stribb, but it's like any one of those guys can go out and shoot 61 basically. Anybody in the field, like, not, there's not, okay, correct me if I'm wrong. What, do you feel like that's the case every week on the PGA tour? Anyone could choose 61.

Yeah. Not like anyone, because there's a lot of fluff at the bottom, 20% of the tour of it, but like, yeah, I'd say 75% of the guys can choose. Especially the guy that doesn't know how to retract that. Depends on the course. Yeah, don't hit on a strawberry. They're like, he's not the flashiest guy. But when his irons get hot, he's a predator.

Fair enough. So, I mean, you know, he shot 61 with Boey on 11. He was what? He was seven under through, he was seven under through six. Yeah. Which is pretty, pretty rare here. And now we mentioned it, but just, I just did all around performance again from San Burns

that that's about as hot of a way to start a year. And he's getting out and, getting out and running in the FedEx Cup, if you will. Big shout out to Taylor Gooch today to 62 final round. Hold an eagle from 94 yards on the last hole, which, it's a walkoff. It could have been really cool to see. That about it from CJ Cup,

because we got some drama on the rules front, if you will. Phil getting involved. I wish Randy was here for this one as well, because he's got a cup cover for his boy. But the two governing bodies announced a new model local rule that starting January 1, 22, reduces the length of non-putters from forty eight inches to forty six inches. Phil Michelson tweets stupid is as stupid does Mrs. Gump really though are the amateurs

trying their best to govern the professional game the stupid ones or the professionals for letting them. Well, it sounds like Phil, I mean, based on he was like, nobody was consulted about this. No, you know, I've talked to so many players and I think his boat was, it is extremely disappointed to find the PGA tour, adopted the new USDA rule through the media. I don't know of any player who had any say or any kind of representation in the matter. I do know many are wondering if there's a better way. Many, many, many people.

Rory, I was in all those meetings when we discussed it for quite a while. I think the majority of players are on board with it. Seems like it's a tough stance for Phil to take while holding a driver that's over 46 inches. It's tough to stand up and not look like this clearly is in relation to what you are doing and that's why you care this much about it. To try to act like there's a PGA tour representation, a lack of PGA tour representation and it's going to hurt the whole tour and that all professional golfers are paying the price for the USGA making the rule is pretty disjunctive.

I would argue it's broke Henderson's paying the biggest price. She has that hurt. 48 inch driver. Jim Fierrick uses a 47 or 48 inch driver, but he can hit it as straight as anybody does with a normal length driver. I mean, and I think anybody, you know, raising their hand and saying, oh, like this is what the USGA is doing. I think Juan and Pagel have been very adamant and up hand and saying, oh, this is what the USJ is doing. I think Juan and Pagel have been very adamant

and up front about like, hey, this is just one of the things. Like one of the tools in our toolbox and we're looking at everything and this is the first shoot a drop of many. Yeah. I mean, I think Phil might have a point with the, this not being the solution, but it's definitely tough for him to be the messenger on that

when, like you said, he's basically gonna, you know, it seems being the solution, but it's definitely tough for him to be the messenger on that when like you said He's basically gonna you know good. It's it seems self-serving from him. Yes. I think the Amon's quote from his article my favorite one. It was great article about this was if the PGA tour out of strokes game gaslighting statistic Michelson would be its runaway leader Which I think I got a good a good cackel out of that one and Yeah, I think it is obviously going to be there's always really bad takes out there whenever anything distance related is even remotely and you know, discussed on Twitter. And to your point, you see, it's not like this is the long drivers are causing the ball to go too far. I still

think the combination of enormous driver heads and a ball that doesn't spend much have led to an era of guys just freaking wailing on the ball. I guess pretty hard to argue. And a lot of Phil's points he made and he had a three minute video back when this was being discussed. It was like a little bit all over the place talking about, you know, when ice cream sales go up in New York, the crime rate goes up. So should we ban ice cream sales?

The video is awesome. It's incredible. Everybody should watch it. Like if there's a way for us to edit in that clip. Yes. Let's do that now if we can. Okay. The USGS trying to ban the sale of ice cream in New York City. Not literally, of course, what I mean by that is this.

In New York City when the crime rate goes up, so does ice cream sales? So does that mean you need to ban ice cream sales? No, because the underlying problem is sheet when people get agitated, crime rate goes up. As does the sale of ice cream. So let's identify what the real problem is. What data was there to say that the driver length should be capital 48 inches?

What data says it should go to 46 inches? We're addressing the wrong problem and we're misreading the data yet again, much like the grooves in 2010. All this data came in saying square grooves or badge, where does it this, let's change the rule, it's only going to affect the PGA to a bro. 11 years later, is that the case? No, the average guy has been more affected. Why?

Because they mis, the data said that 12 or 13 greens are hit in regulation by the tour pro and 9 by the average scratch player and 6 by the single digit having a cap in the 18 to 36 hole and a handicap gets zero to one green. And therefore, it's only going to affect the tour pros because they think the most green. But that's misleading the data because 100% of all golfers fit 100% in the greens. It's just that the average player is not good enough to do it with a seven iron and he has to hit a wedge and what club is mostly affected by the groove change, it's the wedge, the higher off the club.

So he's affected most the average player, who's had the most difficult time or last of the 11 years because of the groove change, the average player, the fact that the PGA to a pro, didn't even use square groups in their eyes because it spun it too much. So we misread the data and we continue to make the wrong adjustments in the game. So obviously the golf ball is a big issue and people are saying roll it back, roll it back, well here's an idea. Instead of rolling it back, why don't we go back to not having the ball be perimeter weighted?

What perimeter weighted golf ball? Well, yes. If you remember when the liquid center golf ball was the ball of choice 20 years ago, there was more weight in the center of the ball than there was on the perimeter. And also, the liquid center did not spin at the same rate as the outer cover at impact.

So at impact the outer cover was spinning fast and the liquid was spinning at slower rate. And then when the spin of the liquid center and the outer cover matched, the outer covers momentum flow down and the liquid center was faster. And so as the ball was ball from the sky, you would have an increased rate of turn and our misses would be bigger. What if we just got rid of the criminal weightings so the ball wasn't stable? We had a more weight in the center of the golf ball. We're going to get more sidespins.

And he's not going to affect the guy that hits the ball 300 yards as opposed to the guy that hits 200 yards. Yeah, they might get it more offline, but they hit it so short it's not going to get me as much trouble as the had in its father. It's just an idea to start addressing the real issue and not how all these other issues that are taking a lot of the funnel away from the game and not really addressing the problem. Okay, when he starts talking about liquid, I learned a lot there. If you stick with it, I learned a lot like the liquid center, let's go back to a liquid filled golf ball. I didn't

know that was a thing instead of the, what was it like? Solid core. Solid core with the weight on the outside. I guess that would make the ball spin more and you would miss more with the driver. But it's kind of like, feels saying what we've been saying,

like yeah, let's roll the ball. Let's modify the ball. Maybe I'm not using the word rollback. Because I'm just as into making the ball spin more. And that's his point. And he has great points about that. I think I do think it's like, yeah, dude, we don't need super long drivers. That's one thing that like a pretty easy change we can make in all of this.

That's a pretty easy regulation change. That's not going to change the equipment industry as a whole. It's not going to really change the game for amateurs like, hey, pros, it's going too far. We don't need to do this. I think what they could have done to garner a little bit more sympathy or support is say, hey, you know what? No club in the bag can be longer than that long.

Because I mean, you know, putter wants to, right? Like, basically make it so that, you know, because I think there's definitely, it's hand in hand to me, the long putter and the long driver, right? They're both like kind of antithetical to the spirit of golf. Yeah, no, and JT was quick.

A lot of people were in there, you know, saying, you know, I think our block should be banned. I agree. I tried our block was waiting for a re-gripping and Edwin Watson speak. I tried to reflect the first time like, oh my God, this should be illegal. Like this should definitely be illegal.

Yeah, I've looked at some literature as well. Yeah, you've already tested. I've looked at some literature and it probably should be illegal. The problem, you know, Billy Horsesville made a good point, which happens from time to time. Billy said, like, how do you figure out what arm lock is? Because if it's touching somebody's wrist, even if they're not really arm locking, how do you legislate that? Sure.

Sure. So, again, there's going to be many, many, many discussions on distance and rules into the future. I just again emphasize if you, you're trying to make a point that starts with just grow up the road, just stop yourself. Before you say rough, just stop yourself. We're not talking about course setup. We're talking about equipment. Those are two different things and you cannot address what the equipment, you cannot, we've seen it proven over a series of 20 years, you cannot address these issues through core setup. It's a different, we're talking about a different ballgame that is played with this kind of

equipment and you cannot counteract it completely with core setup. We're talking about equipment. Especially because the tour insists on soaking every course that they play. Yeah. So for a lot of reasons, even growing the rough up does not address this issue of the ball is still going to go really far. It's not going to put the emphasis on accuracy that you think it's a for a lot of reasons even growing the rough up does not address this issue of the ball is still going to go really far It's not going to put the emphasis on accuracy that you think it's going to do so again just leave it out of it. It's a different different topic so

And I would give credit to the USGA whether it's you know attributing ice cream sales to a higher murder rate or you know or not I think they're trying to be proactive with getting ahead of like, you know, we don't want everybody playing a 49 inch driver in two years because it's clear that that's making for once they're in front of something. Yeah, exactly. It's like, like they just beat,

they kind of beat the equipment companies in like the title wave and I think that's a good thing. Yes. I just like seeing a pulse from the USGA, right? It's like, you know, and there were more shake up there at corporate HQ. Another couple like long time people got kind of pushed out. So new blood in there.

And hopefully that's, you know, some new energy. I think with Phil, it's just like, the dude just doesn't want to be governed either. Yeah. I think that's right. Yeah. It seems weird to be this. Yeah. Like him laying a platform for like, see I told you guys,

fuck these guys. We're going over here and doing our own thing now. Maybe perhaps more to come on that. We'll see. European tour in Spain, Matt Fitzpatrick, pretty gutsy win, Bogey free on Sunday.

I watched a ton of that one this weekend. It was like from the start, Valderammo was, was bouncy and crisp and the wind was up. It was glassy, those greens. And it's just, dude, fits when the conditions get weird. It happened in my, at, um, my field village, having a bay hill, like, when it gets crispy, like that dude, when it is not a stock PGA tour setup, that dude is always there, always there.

It's remarkable. It's probably, it's probably because you grew up playing Chicago golf club at Olympia Fields. It's almost like what other now open conditions, but not the length. Yeah, right? It's like when it gets spicy, he's ready to play. It's very impressive. Three shot win.

Kale, Livid, K-Livid, asked is Valorama one of the best golf courses in the world? No, absolutely. That would not say that. That's a good tournament golf course though. It's more interesting than summit. I'd rather watch really spicy conditions like that versus the birdie fest for sure, but it's kind of, yeah, it's not one of the great golf course. I mean, if they, if they chop down a bunch of trees and, you know, it's still Robert

Jones and it's hard, but I need to go back and watch the 97 rider cup once again, because a few people were tweeting about that this week. And like, it sounds like, because I think that was the first one I really ever watched. And I need to go back and watch that to kind of gain appreciation for Valorama as well. Tough day for Lori Cantor. Well, 76 today.

He played like Brilliant Golf. I think the low, or second low round of the week on Friday, shot 65 and then 67 on Saturday and then 76 today, five over. Pretty good finished Robert Rock, best hair on tour. All right. Finish there. And then, you know, kind of continuing on with all the Euro rider cup guys playing well

coming out of the rider cup, burned Vsberger, T11. And you know, like Fleetwood had a good week, obviously fits one, Rory one, Hatton played well this week, Polter played pretty well this week, like they all, they're all motivated to form somehow now. A couple of weeks. I think it lit a fire. Yeah. Sebastian Soderbury watched a lot of him this week too. I was like super, super impressed. So. Rob missing the cut was was a bit of a surprise. I think he's probably got a lot of reasons to be pretty wiped, I think. But second Miss Cut and last three starts, he missed it. The fortenade as well had a, to build this going on there.

Very much. Like hats off to John Rom, showing up and playing two weeks in a row in Spain. Sure. When he could have shut it down, or he could have been, I mean, Vegas is what, a 20 minute flight from where he lives in Scottsdale. It's like, he could have easily shut it down. He went over and supported golf in his home country, which is cool. I think, you know,

there's an Australian guy that has refused to do that for the last decade. It just kind of, there was a, I never see a guy got amazed at all the ways that you're able to work that in. There was a really good thread. Scott Warren had a really good thread this week. It was, it was in the same town as Erwin Meyer, you know? You know, unbelievable, the coincidence. And he, he counted up how many times Jason Day, Adam Scott, Greg Norman, Mark Leachman, Cam Smith,

all these guys went back to Australia kind of the first like 10 years that they were out on tour. And it was pretty damning. So there you have it. Now you're here, North Air. Amazing. So shout out to Ram. Yeah, exactly.

The LPGA stars played in the Aramco team series in Long Island. The LPGA stars played in the Aramco team series in Long Island. The Boan. On Long Island. The Boan saw team series. Take us to that. What is it presented by Gulf Saudi or is it all funded Saudi?

Saudi is a Ramco team series. Ladies, European tour event in the US, which was won by the court of sisters, I believe. Which at night? It finished in a playoff at night. And, like, some bag of ass. Yeah, pull the headlights up. What's...

Zeffer Melden tweeted, while the Aramco in the dark, playoff was quirky, not everyone was amused. It's ridiculous, said one, the ladies European tour player who wished her a main anonymous. You can't run a legitimate tournament and do that stuff. That doesn't grow the game.

I don't know if I want to turn this into a grow the game rant, but like, I'll tell you what, I hate falling back on. Would you just like make a point that's like very related to you and then try to throw it at the, like Bryson does this all the time. Like me, me, me, me, me, me, I'm just trying to grow the game. Like that's what I'm doing.

I'm trying to grow the game. It's like shut up. I thought you were gonna grow as the game. Oh, here we go. Some of these press releases that they send out, the golf sawty people, they're getting their money's worth as far as growing the game and getting in my inbox for stuff. There was a photo shoot this week.

It was promoting the driving force presented by Aramco an initiative aimed at helping further open golf to all and reducing inequality and attempt to make the sport more inclusive for all. The major winning Soulheim Cup star and a Nordquist joined celebrated New York Street Golf or Tiger Hood, big hitting long drive competitor Troy Mullins and the girls on the green charity to take a unique milk carton challenge at the iconic Columbus Square in Manhattan, which I believe Columbus Circle. Well Columbus Circle Columbus Circle's on, yeah, the Southwest corner Central Park.

I don't know Columbus Square. I'm not familiar with an iconic Columbus Square. All year, they've been just chew-horning themselves into women's golf and this and that. And, you know, like at some point, I'm kind of glad that women's golf is at least getting some funds from, you know, from a bad entity here, but still it's in the day.

It's like, it just seems so half-assed. The whole format with this Aramco team series, I still, I don't know what it is, and I get these press releases every week. I don't either, and I'm kind of with you. It's like, I think we've been pretty consistent in the past. We don't really get on European tour. It's a tough conversation every time Saudi comes around, because it's like, where do you draw the line? And it's a very legitimate question, right? I think we've been pretty consistent in the past. We don't really get on European tour.

It's a tough conversation every time Saudi comes around because it's like, where do you draw the line? And it's a very legitimate question, right? Well, guys, go to China and play. What about their human rights record? Oh, blah, blah. I still think there's a big difference in European tour players playing Saudi Arabia on their calendar.

Guys are trying to make a living on that tour and it's very different than like Phil skipping the waste management and going over and playing Saudi Arabia. The guy that has made second most money in tour history, like Jason Cocrack going over and playing it, fiend out skipping. Or golf Saudi on his back. Yes.

Like Gary Player was front and center this week saying, you know, women's golf has been so disrespected and you know shoved aside and it's time for us to lift it up. Like if you really want to lift it up then like just like you know put your sponsorship dollars towards towards some actual events instead of this like side show or Ramco series thing. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

Well, yeah, it's it's it's very, very complicated as expect. And it just, I don't know. What's tough? Is it all publicity for a sport that needs more publicity? Is it any publicity good publicity? Well, it's all going to have a whitewashing factor to it, right? And it all comes with all these people getting paychecks and saying amazing things about Saudi Arabia.

And that doesn't sit very well to like real golf fans. I think it's just like, you don't be like being sold like lied to basically. You don't know shit about Saudi Arabia. You're being told to say this and you say it. And you're, it's basically selling your integrity. And it doesn't sit great in a lot of ways. I don't, it's a, I still think it's a very different thing

for the women to take the money. Then it is like, like I said, for the top PGA tour guys to forego their tour and go play a Solace event in Saudi Arabia. And I guess they get, I'm assuming they get like a guaranteed paycheck to play in it because the winner's share of this was like $30,000. Yeah, there's gotta be some.

So it's just, you know, I'm assuming that they're getting just an appearance. But this was a, this was a European, ladies European tour event. Yeah. Okay. So it wasn't, it was not an exhibition. I could be wrong on that. I mean, at heart it's an exhibition, but it's like it doesn't tie into points or anything like that.

So there's a team element to it. It's from the ladies European tour, a Ramco series. It was, it was Jessica Corda, Carolyn Lampert, Lena Bocust and Alex O'Loughlin. Three, the amateur. Three pros and one amateur will compete for a share of $800,000, along with an additional $200,000 per

for leading individual scores, this from golf week. Okay. It carries world ranking points. Anyways, just we, we talk about Saudi lot when the men go there and that was what was going on on the LPGA or Ladies European tour this week. Neil, you want to take us to our Callaway? What's in the bag segment this week?

I would love to. You volunteer, you jump off this was jumping off the page at you. No, I want to talk about the wedges, you know. I've had some rory issues with my wedges in the past, but I put the Calaway full toe jaws wedges in the bag. I want to say two months ago right before Taurusos, which premieres this week, by the way, 9 p.m. on Wednesday episode one, and I absolutely love them. So I was I was gaming the jaws md5 Absolutely to love them. So I was gaming the Jaws MD5,

and I had a 58 degree and a 52 degree, and they were escrined, and they were a little bit too thick on the bottom, which is more bounce, I believe. The escrined is like the lowest, I think. Well, the bottom felt like two, there was no it's too thick. It's bouncing.

Yeah, yeah. So anyway, more bounce. Exactly. So I went back to, and I've always been, I was always a big fan of the PM grind. I was a big fan of it in theory, but probably not good enough to play it. A lot of digging with that San Tukko knife.

You know, a lot of chunks. The PM grind is like the secret weapon out of a bunker. Yes, thick, like thick northern rough, like what we had up in Michigan, You know, a lot of chunks. The GM grind is like the secret weapon out of a bunker. Yes. Thick, like thick northern rough, like what we had up in Michigan. But I get nightmares when it comes time to hit a full swing with it. Yeah. At least for me, like I have a relatively steep attack angle and it just digs like crazy and I'm taking out, you know, four feet long pieces of sod.

So I had the 60 degree PM grind years ago and I loved it around the greens exactly what you're saying. And I took it out because I just inconsistent from the fairway. So I finally, I got the full toe 60 degree which is kind of the combination of the jaws little nice, nice heaviness, heavy base at the bottom and the turf. So you get a nice feel out of the fairway. And I've been hitting that 60 degree grade from like 85, 90 yards and in.

And then I still now have the circus shots in the bag because that full face wedge, it's just very appealing around the greens. I don't always hit the center of the club face. You mean the full grooves all the way to the toe? All the way to the toe. It just feels like it just makes you almost feel creative when you have a hand.

It's like psychological. Yeah, a little bit where it just looks like you can't really, you're not gonna miss the club face with it. So I switch back to the... We need to talk about where you are mentally, by the way. No, and a great spot. I mean, a great spot. Games trending.

60 degree and 54 degree. So I got a 60, 54, 48. That's, and then pitching wedge, which is like 43, 44 loft. I feel like my gapping, my bag is for the first time in a long time, I feel very dialed. I'm not like second guessing these decisions. So I'm really happy I got the sixth degree back in the bag,

and if you're thinking about getting a wedge, I would highly recommend the full face 60 to 40. Full toe. Full toe, excuse me. Full face grooves, full toe, jaws, let's go launch. That's how you know it's not an ad. He doesn't even have the script in front of him. No, I don't.

I'm serious. I was like, no, I was like, what, I was thinking about like what's in the bag, well, God, I've been, I've been loving the wedges. So I wanted to share that with the people. Cleaning up a couple of other notes we have here, an RIP that officially to Renton Laidlaw, the voice of the European tour for many and many years. Just as a kid here in that voice, it just, it's gonna be,

I wish I had more thoughtful words to say other than a long time voice the European tour is no longer with us. He would be very glad that you had an economy of words on what you said about it. There you go. It was always this thing, right? It was always so understated and there was a great, great podcast he did with John Huggand and Link to it earlier this week. I can reply it on Twitter with it, but kind of just went through his career and his whole progression really wasn't even trying to get into golf.

He was working for BBC. But just such a, such a humble, thoughtful, observant man. Yeah, he was just like, so tree, dulcet tones on a Friday morning, Saturday morning, Sunday morning, and going back to what we're saying about the summit. Like if you have a broadcast that treats some of these courses as, you know, it's the stage on which they're playing. It's not the main character. And just kind of leaves that off to the side. And it's about the golf.

That's always great to watch. I remember watching Cotter and Dubai and all those, especially when they would be on super early in the morning. And it's just such a different thing where, if you put Renton-Ladelaw and a Euro-Tour broadcast on for that tournament today at the CJ Cup, like we would have enjoyed watching that 10 times more because it would have just been all about the golf and not trying to shove a bunch of other bullshit

down our throats. We have JR Smith played his first collegiate event. But I haven't really talked about JR at all in the podcast. So two thumbs way up. I'm so in on JR going back to school. It's awesome. So I'm rooting for him. And we got to effort him for the pod.

We got to love to hear you and him chop it up about competitive golf. I would love to. It's quite an interesting move. You shot 81-78, I believe in his first event this past week. And for an NBA. You got some via butcher bees. Some via butcher bees.

And it's very surreal to see an NBA former NBA player go out and play college call. Some of the pictures were funny too. Like, you know, the three guys he's playing with, the college kids, and then he's like standing like off the side. It's just like a, it's a really funny juxtaposition. Yeah, he's trying to get the side. It's just like a really funny juxtaposition. Yeah, he's trying to get the pipe. Yeah. I love Jair Smith, especially back in the day

before he was really a thing, like before he went to New York. But he was on the nuggans. He was on the nuggs, man. He was so much more, like he was the biggest gunner of all time and he would get so hot and it was completely inappropriate like how how

How far he would pull from it was and it was it was before Steph Curry Normalized it everything it was awesome. He was one of the last dudes to make the jump to from high school straight to the pros mm-hmm Anything else you guys have from from this past week? Stanford women's golf. They are just murdering people. It's not a fair team. It's unreal. Rose Zhang is everything we thought she was going to be on the collegiate scene. They're killing people.

Also, good week from our friends on the University of Michigan women's team. They had a good showing this week and just want to give them a shout out. Yeah, and coach Dowling. We'll hear from a few of them in two weeks. As I mentioned earlier, Taurus sauce comes out Wednesday. Wednesday, October 20th, 9pm. 9pm, join us on YouTube for the live chat. First episode covers our time spent.

Some of our time spent in Detroit. And we're obviously so excited for this coming season. It's going to probably look a little different, I think, than some of the previous ones. The format's going to be a little different. Detroit and I'm sure we're obviously so excited for this coming season. It's going to probably look a little different, I think, than some of the previous ones. The format's going to be a little different. It's going to be same old good to our sauce, though. So it's, we're very proud of this one. DJ's been killing it in the lab lately.

Yeah. And the, you know what? And the pro shops bucket too. I'm going to, I'm going to plug the pro shop. Yeah, we're TC and I've been grinding on, grinding on with Ben on getting the shop ready for the holidays. And for the first time, I think ever, we are running downhill into the holiday rush. So things are trickling in, we got a bunch of new polos,

we got level wear stuff, we've got head covers, we've got new towels. So new hoodies, new hoodies. Throwback, we've got Hilderson born or best selling word sweater, the diamond knit sweater. We got that two custom colorways just for us and then like a light blue one that's just flying off the shelves. So yeah, it is like buy and listen people,

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Last thing. Second stage of Q school. Brian Richie. Clutch performance from him. Luke Guthrie. Luke Guthrie. T through. T.K. Kelly got through. A lot of friendly's getting through grinding for their career. So shout out to them on that one. So with that, we're gonna wrap it. We got a little

travel going down this week. We will be doing some film and I'm going to F one race next week and I'm not gonna be here next week. And so I will be in Austin for that. Very much so, come forward to that. Box, box, box. And yeah, I think that's about a wrap for the week. So cheers to Rory. And thanks everyone for tuning in. Cheers.

Be the right club today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.