No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 491: Zozo Recap

Episode Date: October 25, 2021

The home game models were, once again, off the charts as Hideki wins on home soil at the Zozo Championship.  Neil, DJ and Tron break down the action from Japan plus Jin Young Ko's win at the LPGA BMW Ladies Championship, the latest rumors on the PGL/SGL, and a cameo from Soly who phones in from Austin after attending the F1 US Grand Prix. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Don't do two parties in one weekend. It was a lot, it was a lot. Uncle Neal's a little worn out as well. Substitute teaching tonight as well. So hopefully everyone will go easy on us. TC and I watched the F1 race, great finish. Thought that we'll talk a little bit about that later on. Great start, too.

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All right, on to the Zozo, gentlemen. How much golf did you watch at a Cordia Golf Narcino Country Club this weekend? I watched a fair bit of golf. I won't say that I watched any of it live. I watched it through the magic of DVR as I'm sure many of the Americans who watched this golf tournament did. Nor did I watch it at Naraschino, a courtier country, I watched it from the cuff. From my house.

Of my house. Yeah, exactly. Well, the tournament was at, and it's a courtier golfed, Arschino country club. Sure. I watched, I watched, caught up on the final round on DVR this morning, which by the way,

if you think watching commercials is annoying, wait until you got to pick up the remote every time there's a commercial, then you really notice how many commercials there are, but I digress. I actually thought it was a really fun watch. I was very skeptical. I was very... Well, let me actually say this up front. I...

Events like the Zozo, I'm absolutely cool with. I know that they're not geared towards me. They're geared towards a completely different market, a massive rabid fan base in Japan that wants to watch the best players in the world. And I think if you look at what happened this weekend, the PJ Tour got a nice payoff on their investment with Hadekki winning.

And it's, yeah, it's the rare silly season fall, reach around series event that like makes sense. Totally. You know, it's a golf crazed country. Hadecki winning when he's not in form even somehow the purse went up by almost $2 million a year over year. Yeah. What Hadecki 1.75 million, I think. I think that's 1.79 million. 1.79. It's a lot of dough. It's a lot of money, which you know,

although I guess it was it was 9.7 in 2019 and then eight million last year and then up to 9.95 this year. But pretty good list of winners too. You got the cat, can't lay, and Hadecki. Yeah. DJ, would you lump the whole Asian swing in as, but what you were saying about the Zozo?

But the game or just good for the tour. I feel like these Zozo has real authentic juice, at least with the people on site, right? Like I don't know, I'm an alley of, alley of Tron here. I know you watch like the WGC HSBC and China, that event. That's my least favorite event on the entire team. It was like it doesn't have a lot of juice.

I didn't, I never really got too jacked up about the Malaysia event. Shout out to Lee. The CJ Cup's cool. CJ Cup looks great. I don't, I never really got too jacked up about the Malaysia event. Shout out to the CJ cups. Cool. CJ cup looks great. I don't know, Juju Island shout out to Squid game. But the, uh, yeah, the Zozo you watch it. And it's just absolutely like the, the galleries are packed. The golf course looks kind of fun. It almost has like a, um, I don't know, almost like a Olympic club like Northern California type of look, big trees, a lot of shade, long shadows, just looks really lush, really cool.

And then of course, I mean, I'm an absolute sucker for the hometown boy winning, right? And the fact that Hideki goes over there, we talk about it all the time, everybody talks about it all the time, but the amount of pressure that Japanese fans, Japanese media, all these countrymen put on these Japanese players is just absolutely outrageous, which is weird because I almost

feel like they can probably feel a little anonymous when they're here in the States. I mean, Hideki, maybe not this year, since he won the Masters, but the last four years when he's winless, I mean, he's probably going event to event and dealing with the Japanese media in a lot of like kind of in bursts, right? But once that's gone, I bet it's a very lonely different kind of experience. And seeing him go over there this week and just be an absolute rock star is really freaking cool. And not only that, but seeing him summing something, seeing him figure it out. I mean, there was a great quote going around beginning of the week where he was talking about, you know, if my game was at the Masters was a 10 out of 10,

then right now it's about a one out of 10. And seeing him go out and just figure it out and get it W against like a pretty decent field, is, it's incredibly impressive, kind of whiffs of cat, right? A little bit cat-like. I watched your Zozo, the Master Zozo Act 2. The Master Zozo Act 2.

Exactly, exactly. I think the two men to ever do it in their history. Yeah. Watch someone Friday and then watch both weekend rounds kind of condensed. Did something similar to you. The Sunday round basically I knew what was going to happen. I knew Camtrin Gully was not going to win. So I, that was because it was on delay or that was because you just, that was a real good day.

I woke up and I was so excited to like watch it. I was like, oh my God, like I get to watch Camtron Golly, like choke, but like I can, I can totally, you know, and it took him longer to choke than it normally does. I think it wasn't an outright choke. It was more Hodecki slam in the door than it was. So, I mean, he bogeyed his last goal. Hodecki finished.

But he was already out of it. He was out of it. One by five strokes finished with three birdies and an eagle on the back nine, two, would you say, run down, Camtron Goli? I mean, he was trailing at a point on the back nine. He was trailing my one and he ended up winning by five. So it was, birdies on 11, 13, 15,

and then kind of a weird bogey on 17. I don't know if you saw that one, Tron. But they both caught identical flyers. Neil, you would have been very jacked up. Extreme Icarito balls. Down, down, down, back to back. She's like 20 yards over the green. It was outrageous.

But yeah, then the eagle on 18 was absurd. It had been like possibly a two. Yeah, almost hooped it for a two. And it was very, it's just so cool, very obvious. But it's so cool when the best, most exciting shot of the week is safe for the last hole, right? And especially by the eventual winner, especially by the guy everybody's rooting for.

I mean, you don't get that in, it's all the time and it was, it's awesome to watch. Coincidentally, also happened in Korea this week at the BMW ladies open over there too, with the Ginny On Co. She had like a wood from 180 yards out and almost hooked it there too. But I think, I mean, you know, obviously, Chingale, you know, through no fault of his own,

he lost by five, he played the last eight holes and two over par and, you know, I mean, I'm in a good form though, he won his $875,000, which just pads his, you know, pads his whole thing. He's won what the most amount of money of anybody ever. I would agree with you that it hasn't won. It's tough, it's gonna say,

do we finish that sentence? It's tough to see someone who's never won. Like that's gonna be a tough block to ride for, but to play consistently and finish inside the top 10, top 20 consistently and keep your card without winning a golf tournament in your career, is also very, very impressive. Sure.

And also, like, do it without ever doing anything of note, like in majors or like important events too. It's, it's, it's really impressive. You shot that like 48 or whatever it was at Kewa. That was a landmark moment at a major championship. It just, like, this is why we need the death panel. This guy's drafting off of the cat. All right, we'll get there.

We'll get there. I want to give a couple quotes, call Porter, he said CBS sports. I was curious if, I'm guessing these were in Japanese and translated to English, but what you said earlier, DJ from Hadecki, my confidence was around a one or a two heading into the week, but thanks to all the Japanese crowds out there, I was able to feed off of their energy

and play well. A note on that, jarring and refreshing and fascinating to see people not yelling at impact. Like just not a thing over there, right? When like everybody's just, ah, I'm getting all of that! Like then none of that. Shout out to Japan.

God, I really, there's no Japanese post-shot shout. Apparently not. I've, I've, It might be the greatest fans in golf. It might be. Just like the Cardinal fans. The most like the Cardinal fans. You know, I think the, I was shocked at how big the galleries were.

Yeah. I'm not huge. I don't know what better endorsement you can give. And I don't know if I will do this ever. But I was sitting there watching on the couch this morning. I was like, man, I'd like to go to this event. Like, this looks sick. I kind of want to see what it's all about.

I would like to go play golf in Japan. Yeah. And it seems like it would be a very different chapter in the book of golf. Like a whole different vibe over there. Sounds like they have some great infrastructure, like bridges and elevators and all kinds of shit, you know, and some hilly courses. So I'm very, very intrigued.

What do you guys think of Trinkale playing to the crowd? That was interesting. I was at 16 when he just kind of like two put par. He's got like, all day yesterday. He's got the hat off, but he's putting his hands up. He did double pistols yesterday. And then like blew him off. He's trying to summon something TC.

He's trying to will his way, you know, into the winter circle. And into your heart. Maybe he's trying to just identify his brand. He's trying to figure out who he is out there. Yeah. I'm good. What I will say about that event too,

I mean, a lot of this stuff is luck. I mean, it just depends who plays well at your tournament and a bunch of things going your way. But having this event, I mean, obviously got messed up with COVID last year and they ended up having it. That was the one that sure would. But the two winners in Japan being Tiger Woods and Hedek, he knocked the yama.

Like, I'd say that's pretty fucking good, good promotion for your tournament. And so hopefully it just keeps turning into something that players like to go check out and big names like to go play because it seems like the kind of thing that we wish there was more of, right? Like we were always kind of saying like all this world tour stuff and I wish, you know, the best players would go to Japan. I wish they'd go to Australia. I wish they'd go to, you know, wherever. And this is a good example of seeing big names go over to a golf rich environment and win. It's really cool. Now, less big names this year. Does that event need to be a PJ tour event? Should it be more of a PGL kind of like big names, only type of event? I don't know, but I'm glad it seems like a positive

concept in the positive in an authentic example of like what the Asian Swing should look like. Yeah, totally. It could have gone sideways though. Like they could have Brendan Steele win. And that's what I've been bad. That is what I was gonna say. It's like again, I know this is not about me.

It's not even I would assume it's not about American audiences, really like at all, but yeah, Brendan Steal goes out and wins, like I'm totally fine just not watching it, not even thinking about it as well. So, I remember saying this about the fall, a couple of years ago, it's really held true, is the fall golf is, if you have the right mindset,

it's only upside. It's additive. Yeah, it's kind of a matter of, like it's, and I don't know, you know, big name players feel the same way if they have to go play a bunch more events now, so they don't get passed by like William McGurt on the FedEx couple list or something. But it's, it's one of those things that be playing pretty bad. But you know what I mean?

It's like a lot, we hear that all the time. Like, oh, so and so went off to this huge start in the FedEx cup and now big names are playing because they're getting passed and blah blah blah Intring golly is up to seventh in the FedEx. He's probably rampaging the Comcast top 10 right now sure But it's one of those things. It's like if it's a shitty shitty field shitty golf course shitty You know telecast whatever like yeah, just don't watch But if it's cool, you know, for Rory's winning, hey, awesome, I'll flip that on. Also, you know, just, I've told you guys about him

to Kumi Kenaya. He's coming. T7, he's here. And he's going to Bermuda, you said, right? He's into the Bermuda field, I don't know if he's going. He's currently 68th in the world ranking and rising. There you go. So Hideki, he's 29.

He's now won seven times, seven PGA tour events, and seven of the 13 totals for Japanese born players. Overrated, underrated, properly rated Hideki. In fact, that he's only 29, I think, is interesting. Surprising, right? He feels, to me, he's always felt a little older, but I guess he came on the scene, you know, low-am at the Masters, and he's been at it for a while. I think he over the course of his career,

classic fence setting answer here. I think he's inhabited all three of those zones. What do you think he is right now? Masters, he was probably overrated. I think like way back in the day, he was drastically underrated. Shout out to Sean Martin was beating this drum for a very long time. That's where you got all the kinadecky win type questions. Then he didn't win for like four years. He was probably pretty accurately rated. And now I'd say he's probably a little underrated. And he, and he has maybe I never touched on overrated. I don't know if he's ever been overrated. Now it's put you on the spot, but any historical comp, like as you, as you watch his career unfold, Adam Scott. That's really good. You think so? Yep. Yeah. Adam Hunter. Favorite ball striker's favorite ball striker. Yeah, I mean, Adam Scott, let's see, he, Scott's got to be that what 13 wins on tour on tour. Let's see. I hate it

when you type in Adam Scott in Wikipedia and it pulls up the parks and wreck guy. No, no respect for the PGA tour star puts golf in its place a little bit. Adam Scott's 41. He has 14 PGA tour victories, twice as many as Hideki. At the same point, Adam Scott was, so he was born in the golf. The golfer. He was born in 1980, July 1980. And he had, let's see, PGA tour wise, you won his first one at the age of 23. And then he won twice in

2004 at 24, one once in 2006. They're pretty much like neck and neck. Yeah, that's a good comp. Adam Scott won the one, the masters when he was 33. Yeah. So a little bit behind there, but I think one, one win ahead at the time and had a torch championship to his name pretty early on too. I had not thought about that. That's a good comparison. And another quote from from Hadecki is the most peak quote.

The most PJ tour wins by an Asian by the Asian players is KJ choice eight wins and Shigecki Mariyama told me to go on and beat that record. So I'm glad I'm getting close to that particular record. Hell yeah. Shigecki said dominate. He said dominate. I said, hell yes brother. Anything else from the Zozo?

Anybody else that caught your eye? TC, I know you like to scroll the leaderboard and just throw some random names out there. It's gonna be the time. There you go. It's a 66, 66. T4, nine shots back. Mackenzie Hughes and Mike Wallace,

along with Sebastian Munoz there. Munoz dog, aspiring dog. Sure. Fleetwood. You could have them. Fleetwood, Moorakawa, both T7 and minus five. See, I saw that too. I was like ready to get hyped about that. They were like, 10 shots back.

Xander, what, T28, stinky. One thing we should mention about Hideki and the Zozo as well is, obviously, it was in Japan for the Olympics, just missed out on a medal. So, very... He was in the playoffs, but lost, on a medal. So, he was in the playoff, but lost, right? Yeah, I think he was. Yeah, forth. But just cool to see him bounce back from that and then get a W in front of the home fans.

Like I said, I'm a sucker for that. And it was very cool to see how excited everybody was for it. I struggle with the no-cut events. Even if it's going to be a top tier event, the no-cut stuff, it's just, you got guys out there playing, you got Ryuji Amata and Doc Redmond, toiling away 29, 35 shots off the lead. Like that's a lot, that's a lot of strokes. Just getting reps in.

Ricky T44, I think. Right. After a strong week in Vegas, anybody else? Zalatorus T54, I'm hearing some things about his putting that really, really concerning guys that masters putt. That's happening a lot. That's happening a lot. It's happening frequently. It's not a one off kind of thing. And he makes a ton of like 10 to 25 footers.

I looked into the stats, heard some anecdotes. There's some some demons there guys. And I know, I know I'm not saying anything that's not obvious here, but that should hasn't gone away if anything. It's gotten worse. Well, listen, what a metaphor then with Hedeki winning this week. It can be cleaned up, it can be tightened up. Who knows?

Well, yeah, he'll be around for a little while. He's got some time to work on it. The other thing is the ball striking doesn't seem to go away. Yeah. At if you can at least you can figure that out which seems to be how this guy's set That's why you know based on Adam Scott's career That he's gonna be winning for another 15 years totally. Yeah All right, let's take a look ahead permute of this week the butterfield butterfield What do you guys think excited You excited to watch the taxi?

I know DJ's just jacked up. He's already got a DVR. He's ready to go. This is like the kind of thing. Let me just reiterate everything I just said where the fall is all upside. This is preemptive no offense to the people of Bermuda. No offense to anyone.

Tor is in Bermuda who puts the event on it. No offense to anyone. I think they're the sponsor. Doesn't, who cares? Okay. Okay. But this, I don't think I'm gonna be watching this one. You don't wanna watch Brian Gay, defend his title?

Brian Gay's, listen, that's great. If I had truly Kirkland, I don't think you're Charlie Hoffman. You really paint me into a corner here between being honest and being mean. Come on, people, what the takes? Yeah, if I have literally nothing else going on, then yeah, I might flip it on, but I just, I don't know what I'm moving

around in my schedule to watch the, the Bermuda event, especially with, I believe the Monacue info was, was tweeting out some stuff about the field. So apparently with the COVID regulations over there. Yeah, they're super strict on the I.O.G. Very strict on the island understandably to the island Yeah requiring vaccination or 14-day quarantine. So the field is is going deep. I believe Carlos Franco Just got in the field who hasn't won on the PJ tour in 18 years

Like the four is alternate hell yes, and browns and alternate. I'm gonna have to get on a blower and see if he's It's gonna book his flights yet Frank Lick lighter Blade Well, never mind. Yeah, couple players in the field Patrick Reed and Danny Willett Danny Willett was one of the notables in the field Which is hell yeah, it's kind of tough. Yes, just not not my thing. God. I thought she would be D.V. Arnet throwing on your Bermuda shorts the high No, you stole that for me I'm taking the high socks. I'm taking the out of the couch. You stole that from me. I just said that about the other four. I mean, with speed, baby, let's go. I'm taking the opposite tack.

This is, it's like Reno. It's like in my Acoba or Sanderson, I like watching these events as long as the veterans don't take over. I like it when it's a knife fight between the, between the wildy old scrappy vets who should have been death-paneled years ago. And granted, this course is very fun to look at.

It's like young, in young days. Yes, it's very, very pretty looking. Like, I remember the year Brennan Todd one was, like, it's gorgeous. And the wind's whipping, and I was gonna say, if the wind gets way up, I would love. Then everything I just said went out to, goes out the wind.

So it's conditions-based. Yeah, but I don't wanna watch, like, in earnest competition between these guys. It should be, it should be something they can only have the window. So it's conditions based. Yeah, but I don't want to watch like in earnest competition. It should be. It should be something they can only have the event like the surfing contest like like the Eddie out in that's a great. You know, you can only have this event. You can only have the Bahamas corn fairy event. Yeah. When it's blowing more than like 25 30 miles an hour. We need you on the island for up to three weeks. It will be ready at a moment's notice where the when the wind gets up to three weeks. It will be ready at a moment's notice. When the wind gets up to a certain level,

then we'll have the tournament. Okay, I said, don't expect DJ on the pod next week. I'm happy to talk about it. I just might not be glowing, but are you gonna watch? You're not gonna fucking watch it. Yeah, of course I'm watching. Watch every week. Come on. I didn't miss a shot from the Zozo.

Are you kidding me? You kidding me, bro? TC, take us to the BMW Ladies Championship. It was in Korea. To be honest, I just watched some of the Zaza. You kidding me? You kidding me, bro? TC, take us to the BMW Ladies Championship. It was in Korea. To be honest, I just watched some of the final round. We saw some highlights. Jun-Yong-Ko is just, she's killing people right now. She's, yeah, she's fully weaponized at this point.

She's one four times in her last seven starts. She defeated he, Jung Lim, in a playoff this week in Korea. Kind of crazy to dig into her, you her, obviously former number one in the world. I think I saw something she's set to pass. She set to pass Nelly again. Current and past and past. Yeah. So she's getting ready to retake that number one spot.

But kind of crazy. I didn't read a ton about this at the time and I probably just missed it. But LPGA had a good story about her being the 200th Korean victory on the tour. And buried in there were kind of some quotes about her earlier in the year and what a struggle she was going with. And if you remember, I mean, really during Nellie's kind of dominance, Jin Young Kodin, she was playing okay, but not up to her like legitimately tiger-esque standards. And she was, there was but not up to her legitimately tiger-esque standards. And she was, there were a couple of quotes in there about apparently she was fighting through some swing stuff.

Both her grandparents got sick. I believe one or both of them passed away. And she was just going through this massive crisis of conscience almost. Why am I even playing golf? What am I doing? Why can my family needs me to be in Korea, but I can't because I'm over even playing golf? What am I doing? Why can I, like, my family needs me to be in Korea, but I can't because I'm over here playing golf and like, what the hell is going on?

She said during the A&A, she said I probably slept three or four hours a day because I was crying so much, which, you know, I'm not a professional golfer, but that seems like a tough, tough place to play golf for them. I would think, and she looked at it almost like this. She called it like a golf adolescence or like a golf puberty almost where she like kind of pushed through it

and now it seems like she's either in a much better place or figured out how to adapt or something but yeah, it was fairly limited on details in the story but some of those quotes just kind of blew me away and now it just seems like she's hit the total consciousness. Yeah, she might have worked for it a seven. Yeah, it's just complete, like afterburner mode, just mowing people down. So it's, uh, fastening to watch. And it's not like it was a, it was a poor field or anything. I mean, Lydia Coe was this third, Alam Kim, one of the US women's open down in Houston last year, T three as well. Daniel Kang, T 10, Aerodutana, Garnt T12, like really, you know, strong field. Yeah. So the ladies have one more event before their

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The PGL slash super league slash Saudi saga, whatever you want to call it. Article came out in golf week. Amen Lynch basically reporting that there are eight players that asked the PGA tour for permission A waiver to play in the Saudi international tournament February 3rd through 6th, I believe. Which this feels just like a little bit of saber rattling Just you know for some of like, you know, DJ wants to go play over go play over there he wants to defend yeah so those eight those eight names are DJ Graham McDowell all-in co-crack honest a dancer Lee Westwood Tommy Fleetwood Henrik Stenson and Kevin Nah which I didn't expect Nah's name to be there I think maybe he's played in the past but I think Kevin I think Kevin Nah really likes the guaranteed pay. It just loves money. Fair enough.

The PGA tour previously said it would deny players the opportunity to play in these events, and even has even threatened lifetime bands in relation to these other leagues. That's the other league. That's so don't conflate this, but it was mentioned in this article as this being a piece of that type of, you know, this

would be under that umbrella. Now, eventually, the Saudi event is being run under the Asian tour umbrella in which the Saudi's invested $100 million, I believe, earlier this year. So that, you know, that's interesting because technically it's part of a tour, but because of the Saudi influence, maybe that's an issue for the tour now. So the tour has 30 days before the event, before they have to say yes or no on the waivers. So I think 30 days before the event.

Yeah, so January 3rd, January 4th is when they, that would be kind of the deadline for them saying yes or no. What say you two? What do you think? Well, I give you the last word. Yeah, let's see, right, come on, what's burning? First and foremost, every time we film a while with golf with one of these guys, we have to reach out to the tour for release as well. Sure. Or then

on our behalf, which is understandable. It's part of their media rights. Yeah. When a player joins, just for anybody who doesn't understand this, I know we've covered it before, but when a player joins the PGA tour and takes up PGA tour membership, in addition to a pension and health insurance and all kinds of the other really marvelous benefits you get as a PJ tour player. You also sign away your marketing rights. So what that means is when you want to go play in another tour, when you want to go play in somebody's very stupid video, like in our case, like the tour, uh, understandably has protective rights over those things. So you can't kneel you as a PJ tour player, can't just say thank you for all those things, PJ tour.

Now I'm gonna actually go, you know, hypothetically, I'm gonna go play a match against Tom Brady during your competition and compete with you for eyeballs. Like obviously the PJ tour doesn't want to be doing that. And so that's why you have anytime that does happen happen like when players go over and play European tour events, they they sign releases and when it's not a sanctioned event, then obviously it's pretty heavily coordinated with the PJ tour. Like it's why you see the match, you know, one, two, three, four, whatever, usually on a very dead time the day after Thanksgiving, the, you know, nights when it's not opposing a PJ tour play.

So that's the very, very simple background on why all this shit happens. The more complicated background is who's pulling the strings on all of these potential breakaway leagues. One of them is the Saudi super league. Yeah, the super golf league, the Saudi golf league, the SGL, whatever. The Saul League. Whatever it is, which, which allegedly based on everything that's now been reported, it sounds like the Saul, like this Saul League group was initially involved with the PGL, the Premier Golf League. Basically saw their business model as a real,

you know, Kendall Roy. You know, I saw their plan. My dad's plan was better. Apparently so. So now the stars are trying to do a bear. So now they're trying to, yeah, total vote of no confidence against the PGL guys. We're gonna talk a lot about succession later out of the pod.

Let's stay tuned. So I think there's two interesting things at play, kind of from an immediate standpoint. Well, sorry, to finish that real quick. So the point of like why these releases are such a big deal is you had a lot of players when it was a European tour event. I think the tour was a little bit more limited in power as far as denying those releases because they obviously grant people if someone wants to go play in the Scottish open.

If somebody wants to go play in the French open, you know, whatever. The tour is obviously very flexible and cool with signing a release for the strategic alliance. Of course. Well, even before the strategic alliance, they're saying, cool, yeah, go have fun. What's different, obviously, is when it's a event, essentially run by the group that's trying to steal your players, I could see where that would be,

not interesting to allow your guys to go, but it's already, it's this weird middle ground now where a bunch of the guys have gone over there. It's on multi-year deals to take appearance fees that, which I don't have. They don't show up this year. Yeah. Then maybe they have to give back some of their appearance fees from last year. So I won't say I have a ton of sympathy for anybody in that situation, but it just just explaining

why, why this chichou is going on and what the player, what the issue is basically. Well, I think it's interesting if the, like, this is a question. I don't know if it's the case. Do European tour players have to, like, would they have to get a release from the European tour to go play in this now that it's an Asian tour event? I don't know. I don't know. And because the PGA tour has a stake in the European tour That's one interesting thing I think too is like why like Fleetwood

I mean, I guess he finished 137th in the FedEx cup last year like why does Fleetwood have to get a release? I mean, I guess he's technically a PGA tour member, but yeah, it doesn't seem like it's that's you know I would just be like all right cool, cool. I'm like, I'm going to go play over there. Yeah, I'd be lying if I said some of the names on this list. I was like, you know, who? But the problem is, so the problem is this goes against, I'm not just a stensen, but he's kind of, you know, I think in years, it has, this has gone against farmers. I think this year it's against Pebble. Yes.

Where, and, and, Winkel, uh, who goes against Phoenix one year too. Okay. And like, Winkel, uh like Winkle, DJ's agent was like, hey, there's like very, DJ's supported the Pebble tournament like more than anybody over the years.

Which is, nobody's want to Pebble more than that. Which like other than speed is probably true. You know, I mean, he's won the tournament what, twice, three times, and he's played it a ton. And for him to not be able to go over and defend his title in a tournament where he was playing against some of the best players in the world.

It's interesting that this is news knowing that guys have been did this last year, the year before, the year before, when it was against the Phoenix, you know, the, you know, it was overlapping with that week. So now all of a sudden, because the Saudis have made a run at the Super League, the tour is gonna play hardball with them. Is the Super League dead? Well, let me. Yeah, that's like, this is all happening in the backdrop of like, we kind of,

not forgotten about it, but like, hey, maybe this is, you know, two, three years out, we may hear some more stuff about it in the next, you know, 12 to 18 months. I guess she just popping off right now, I'm on the scene. Yeah, that kind of like stopped me in my tracks a little bit this week, and hearing, like, fairly unsolicited from Shots, Krispah, multiple sources. But yeah, just hearing like, hey, just by the way, shit's like going down this week. And I think that I work in hard to get confirmed specifics.

And so we don't have names, we don't have, which I know is- DJNN, we're working the- Wildly Frost. You guys are trying to do some big J-journalism. Yeah, and like big J-journalists, we're not gonna share a bunch of rumors, even though we could. But it's, yeah, apparently some names floated that I had not heard floated before as very,

very serious contenders to sign with one of these leagues. And what's crazy about, like previously reputed it, is it the super lead or is it the PDL? That's what we're trying to get clarity. That's what we're trying to figure out is now the last we heard was that there are essentially, you know, now the Saudis have split off and are trying to do their own thing. I believe the Premier Goffleid came out

and said, no, those guys split off and they're basically stealing our entire business model. They're not associated with that, so at all. You have the PJ tour fighting for their own membership by denying these releases and offering the new, what does it give 50 grand if you play 15 events. So now it just feels like it's our loyalty for it. It's starting to feel it's starting to feel like the the good bad and the ugly, you know,

just like three way standoff now with all these guys just pointing guns at each other. And it like on one hand, I mean, there's a lot to unpack. Well, let's unpack it. On one hand, if you have one league and one competitor, I think it makes it very interesting, right? If you have just the PGL who has spelled out like we want to have 12 events in the US, six events internationally events in Scotland, events in England, events in Scotland, events in England, events in Australia, events in Japan,

like probably some in the Middle East as well. And like really truly a world golf schedule. And a team element too. With a team element that much more mirrors like an F1 type of setup, I think that's so much more interesting than, okay, you have that, you have the PJ tour, and now you have the Saadi Gulf League, which is going to be, I believe, the last report was

six events in Saudi Arabia and six events in the US, is that right? Like, imagine how much money, like they can't get these guys to go play down the street from their house at like the Honda. Yeah. In Palm Beach. Imagine how much money they're gonna have to pay these fucking guys to play in like TPC re-ad or you know that one sounds or like less long term you know. That's awesome. It's almost like the Saudi money we get bored after. Yeah you not didn't work. It seems like such a good way to spend a billion dollars and just not exist in like four years. Exactly. Which from the names that we're hearing associated with the SGL, they tend to be older.

Okay. They tend to have the horses in the back. They've got the money in the bank already, but they want to go three, four, five years and then kind of ride off into the sunset. And also there was like a shocking kind of middle-aged name in there that I was like, whoa, really? On that side and then...

That's on the super golf league side. That's on the super golf league side. Tremendous name. Sog, golf league side. And then on the other side, you know, on the PGL side, I think that one seems to be a little bit more strategic and not just like a money cannon of like, you know, hey, we're gonna get these guys

and, you know, I don't know. I'm still trying to gather intel, but you know, rumors of both of these things demise, I think we're greatly exactly. Well, it's interesting too, because the biggest pushback to the PGL, if I remember correctly, was the Saudi influence. That was kind of where they got kneecapped.

I like, everybody just stopped listening to what they had to say because it's like, oh, you're being funded by, you know, by bad money. So now you can't really say that, right? Well, I think now the biggest drawback to the PGL is their social accounts. They're not good.

They're not good. Which as a co-owner of golf, I need to just go. Just somebody about that. You won't golf, dude. So do you, T.C. Yeah, but I think it's two things, Neal. I think it's on the fan side, I think it's the money.

Totally agree, which, you know, shout out to the Aramco F1 race that we just enjoyed. All the celebrities are at today. But the other thing, I think from a player standpoint, is just the loss of control over your time. And I think that what's really, really crazy, when you really talk to guys and break down what that means, I mean, that's not a small, insignificant thing to sign away. And a lot of people will say,

like, well, that's what the fucking money is for, man. Those people are idiots. And what I mean by that is the difference between some, like, let's say upper mid-tier or mid-upper tier player, I should say, is the difference between some, like, like, let's say upper mid tier or mid upper tier player, I should say, on the PJ tour making, let's say, $6 million with endorsements and on-course stuff and pip and FedEx cup and all that stuff. Let's say someone's making $67 million a year.

The difference between making that and $20 million a year, I don't think, that could be completely speaking out of my ass here, but on a day-to million a year, I don't think that could be completely speaking out of my ass here, but on a day-to-day basis, I don't think I think you value your time a lot more than you'd value the money. But I think in the long term, of course, that money gets exponential and you can do all kinds of more things with it. But do you get them trying to say, I think that... You also don't have to play for as long either. You could play for... Exactly. That's where the long-term calculus comes in where you're why these guys are you're saying? Yeah, okay? Yeah, we're like all right. I'm gonna play for you know

I'm gonna make $40 million guaranteed off of this over the next Five years or I might make I could play for another 15 years on tour and I might make right 30 I would say if it was a if it was from what I read and understood about the pgl stuff thoughtful exciting New it's also interesting to get in on the ground floor on something that's that's well outlined whereas the Super Golf League just feels like the cash grab of like that just feels like were Yeah, six events here six events there straight sport washing. Yes. Yeah. So that that's you know, but I mean, you know, like You say that's no difference between six million and 20 million. It seems like for some of these guys. There's a

That's all that's all they're going on I know that's the same like like flying private for like the rest of your life and like yeah commercial and you're tired and I get that that's what I'm saying like in the long term I'm not an idiot like in the long term. I know it's a huge difference I'm just saying like when you have played you know three straight events in three different countries And someone's like oh come on dude like you get you're getting extra like $7 million this year That's not gonna make you like play better or make you get more sleep or make you get like that's not gonna make you like play better or make you get more sleep or make you get like less side though. You also like there's less events like they'd be playing less weeks. That's

what I was gonna say. If we tease this out in the PGA tour sticks with their you know if you guys leave you're we're banning you right. Let's say they they they which don't kind of drew a lot to orderly know if they can even do that. That's the whole thing. Okay, but let's play that out for a second. Okay, even if they legally can't, they do that. Then technically what these guys would do is they play the PGL, say, or they play their 12 events in the super golf league, and then they could still play in the majors. Well, so that's our control by the PGL, right? That's a big thing we almost should have led with is like, all we're talking about here

is non-major, non-writer cup weeks. Yeah. Right. And so as far as I hate to like, reduce it to this, but as far as casual golf fans who only watch, you know, like I would consider myself like a exceedingly exceedingly casual tennis fan. Sure. I would say I don't watch tennis more than four times a year. Right. And what it's almost like a, oh, what I have no idea what they're doing. Yeah. The rest of the time. Cincinnati, where?

ATP 1000. Yeah. So I think for those golf fans, it's almost like, you know, nothing is gonna change. For the hardcore people, actually it gets better. Well, possibly like you have more, there's would be a sweepstake. You have more context for like who these guys are

and you probably would have more media access and better telecast and all that stuff is piling this guy, but it's what you think. I think the schedule thing is going to cut both ways for guys, right? Where right now it's so you have ultimate freedom, you can go play, you know, any event you want, but also it's what I was saying about like, okay, now there's 55 events. If you don't want to get lapped, if you're one of those like kind of middle tier guys, you don't wanna get lapped by guys, then like all of a sudden, no, you don't have an off season.

Sorry man, you gotta keep playing. You gotta stay on the PGA. I'm saying that as it currently exists. Currently, yeah. So I'm saying the downside is, hey, you will be at these 18 events, like no ifsans or buts, and you will do our media stuff,

and you will do our, you know, whatever, you will wear this, you will have this contract, et cetera, et cetera, I'm sure that's a massive fucking adjustment, but it's also turns it so much more into like any other sport where it's like, okay, but you will have, here's our schedule for the year. You'll know exactly where you're gonna be. You'll know exactly when you're off weeks are,

you'll know exactly like I think, you know, with no cuts and stuff, there's essentially like a guaranteed money aspect to it, right? And so you think about, you know, you think about pictures who underperform or something that still make $200 million, right? Whether they, whether they, so you can make it argue that there's a downside there

because you were talking about no cuts being no juice earlier. But then I'm talking strictly from the player. Yeah, yeah, I know. But then on the flip side, you've got a relegation. Do a guy drops out like, what the hell does he do next? And that's the big thing that they're gonna, I'm sure that whoever is working on these leagues, obviously it's thought about this already,

as they're messaging it to players, but that's the biggest thing too, is if you're a guy, I forget how all the numbers shake out for the leagues, but like how was it 12 teams of four, right? In PGL, something like that. So, if you're in that like 30 to 48 range, right? In your guy that, you know, there's a very good chance like shit, maybe I will jump from the PGA tour

and try this league and maybe I'll be relegated after year one and then like then what? Like that's a massive question mark that I haven't really heard anybody answer yet. Because if you take the tour at their word, it's that if you do jump, we're going to ban you. So then they could be out of a job. It could be a very Alex Honnell situation. That's the whole cross. No ropes. No ropes. Not that that the world golf rankings. Yeah. Right? Because you know, with the world golf rank, they would essentially be creating kind of a closed system.

Right? Which is essentially what Sally wants to do anyway with, you know, all the manipulators and everything. He wants to basically only, only give world ranking points to US based events. And, you know, forget about everybody else. But I don't like, I've talked to people. I don't think it would be in the tours. Like I don't think it would be legal for the tour to say, like, no, you can't come back and play. Like you would be like infringing upon the rights of their, I think it all has to do with like tax exempt status and all that stuff,

which I'm not smart enough to know how that works. But, but, but technically, so people who are smart enough in a vacuum. As we know, there could be, if somebody jumped to the PGL, there would be 18 events. Or SGL. Or SGL. But just PGL for now. 18 events, and then there would be the four majors. They can still play in the four majors.

Well, the majors haven't totally weighed in, right? Like they've had very nebulous kind of, it's very like we stand with the PJ tour. Until we don't. Yeah, exactly. Like there's no, the harshest, or not harshest, but the most black and white language has been from the tour, right, which is,

I think the PJ of America is probably the next closest, because I think that like the Ryder Cup was a question. Yeah. Well, right? But I think the, uh, you know, something else to it was like, I just know there's a big groundswell of some of these guys on tour that like those middle tier players that are having to play in October and November and having to play in, you know, July a lot like to kind of solidify their status or, you know, make up ground

and FedEx, kind of like, even some of those guys are like asking questions of the tour of monahann and of the operating guys, like, yo, like, where's the money guys? Like, and I know as a, like, for casual fans, probably say, like, what do you mean, where's the money? Like, these guys are making billions of dollars a year, but as a percentage of the total revenue coming in, and it's tough with the tour because there's so much charity stuff tied into it and the way that they run the tournaments.

Well, there's so much bonus stuff tied into it, too, right? Like, you see the FedEx cup bonuses keep going up and up and up, and I think a lot of that is, we've set it with like the WGC's. I mean, I think it's just like massive cash redistribution. And the PIP stuff, right? Yeah. Trying to get your top dude so they don't bounce, trying to find ways to reward them for, you know, like limited field events, right? Such a fine balance, and I think it's pretty clear.

I mean, I don't think the tour would say this, but it's pretty clear that why a lot of these moves have been made, right, is because of these competitive leagues, and that's why the PIP stuff started, that's why the Play 15 events stuff started, that's why the FedEx Cup has gone up, all that stuff and I think a lot of it is, it's just, they're in a really hard spot because the way their business is set up

has allowed them to succeed in a ton of massive ways, just with being a member run organization and being like, and basically getting tax exempt status from that and all that is the stuff that I'm not really like, again, not smart enough to talk about, but where it hamstrings them is when they have to almost kind of pretend or show face that like, no, no, all the members are equal. We need to, they have to basically figure out a way to give money to the guys who are most important without putting that on paper.

No, we're almost, right? No, we didn't give Ricky a grand thwart in sponsorship that's tied in with the players. Right. It's just a lot of... Let me ask you this. Let me flip the perspective around. So what do you, how do you guys think that the PGA tour could handle this? Like what would be the best move for them?

If you were a commissioner for a day, if you were running it, how would you try to fight off or work with the PGL SGL? That's kind of the inherent problem is like, it's almost so much sure of an organization. And it's progression that with the new TV deal coming up, for instance, like, hey, the PGA tour isn't gonna be shit about their product. And that's the first thing, a, the PGA tours and give a shit about their product.

And that's the first thing I would do is like, I'd start giving a shit about my product. Because then like, I think the viewers, like in a medium to long term, the viewers would follow and start, you know, that's such a, so to answer your question, like, I truly don't know exactly. Like, I don't know. And that's, it's a terrible spot. To, to your point, Sean, it's like's like, I agree with you, of course. But that's like a 15 year war, right?

And I don't know what you do now. But that's where I'm at right now is like, the new TV contract has yet to kick in, even. And like, we haven't even gotten a taste of how bad coverage is going to get when, like, in order to pay for that TV contract, they're going to have to add even more ads, they're going to have to do even more, you know, interruptions and layer and even more stuff. And golf channel seems to be increasingly unwilling to evolve their product or think the least bit creatively. So like, I just, I don't know, I'm so pessimistic to the point where I'm like, yes, like let's just blow the whole fucking thing up.

And if the PGL or the SGL doesn't work, then something else will pop up, but like this status quo sucks. What, yeah, like again, to your question, which is a very, very good one, like I fucking don't know, I don't know what. Well, one thing I don't think would work is if big names, guys in the top 10 do jump and they do what they say they're gonna do and draw a hard line.

And let's say legally they can. Let's say one of those guys wants to come back, like all of a sudden some of these guys that fall off the relegation, you're basically now hamstring or handcuffing yourself to say that the best golfers in the world can no longer play on our tour. So now your product's gonna suffer because... Well, so pin in that for a second. What makes that even crazier is that the tour

doesn't own and operate the majority of the events. Right? So it's not like it's a centralized thing that the tour is running every week and they're very like, oh, we don't care. We'll take a hit in Detroit because we know we're gonna make it up in Minnesota. It's very like, okay, let's say Dustin Johnson decides to go play and now it doesn't work

or flames out or whatever and he wants to come back. Now you have to go talk to, or let's take BMW, right? It's an event that we are familiar with. You have to go to, it's not the PJ Tour that's running that, it's the Evan Scholars Foundation and the Western Golf Association that's running that, right? Yeah. It was an event that we are familiar with. You have to go to, it's not the PJ tour that's running that's the Evan Scholars Foundation that's in the Western Golf Association that's running that, right? And so they're raising money, they're putting up the purse, they're doing all these things. And the tour is getting the TV money, but like you have to then go to the people who are organizing this event and say, don't let this guy.

Hey, I know Dustin Johnson texted you that he wants to come, but like, no, I know, I know I know he's one. You know, you know, he's been a big supporter of this event, but you can't do it. Yeah. And like, how's that going to go? Yeah. I know it doesn't feel like that like it's, it's almost funny to me that they tried to intimidate these guys or, you know, draw such a hard line earlier this year when it's like, yo, that's not going to work. Well, to your point, though it's like, what else do you do? And again, I'm sure the tour has much smarter people working on it. And much, you know, they obviously have known this has been going on for a lot longer than we probably have, but it's what I would see is if you let's say the,

let's say the PGL, I've given him a lot of credit. Let's say the PGL takes off. Let's say the, let's say the PGL, I think I've given him a lot of credit. Let's say the PGL takes off, let's say the SGL takes off, just at least one of them goes, right? What's still yet to be answered is how do players qualify for that? Like we talked about relegation, but where do the new players come from?

You would have to think there'd have to be some sort of other existing infrastructure, right? Let's say there's a tour that goes around and plays 40 events a year and keeps a points ranking throughout the year. That high level professional. Let's just say that that was a thing, right? Like it just seems like it would be the tours never going to take this deferential like position and say like, yeah, cool.

Sounds good. Take over the golf world. It won't be great. It will be triple A now. But yeah, that's where I'm like, dude, if it does take off and if they don't talk some of these like big names down, it seems like the natural evolution would be, you'd have this upper league of players and then you'd have kind of like the qualifying. And it just seems like the PJ tour would turn it in. And then everybody would come together for the majors, right? Which would be which again, the tour does have it in the

queue. Well, and if the tour said, all right, you know what, we're we're going to consider that's the one thing they've gotten their back pocket. I'm like, we're going to consider the players a major. It's open to all. Now they show up for five events, you know, like the whole golf road shows up for five events a year instead of four events. Yeah. Yeah. You know, counting that as a major. But I just don't I think the I don't know if you guys agree or disagree But I was really psyched about this idea When it was this kind of what I started to say like 20 minutes ago But I was really psyched about this idea when it was an incumbent league versus a new league, right?

And that I think is very like you're, it's very natural evolution of like, all right, let's just blow up the current system and let's redesign it the way somebody would redesign it if they were building a sports league in 2021. What sucks to me is the idea of three. Yes, where it's like, because then all of a sudden, if you have, it just seems like you put yourself in the position

to have a really shitty like five, 10 years of just very like no win is legitimate because so and so wasn't there. It's like back when there was like the NBA and the ABA and you don't know who, you know, it's just like, no, we need to unite this thing. Yeah. Because T.C. like, part of me is with you on like,

yeah, let's just blow it up and I'm pretty pessimistic about the current status quo. But then I think you got to be careful with that, because you're pessimistic about the status quo, but you're optimistic about this. And it's not going to go as well as you think it's going to go. It's not going to go the way it goes on paper. Well, let's talk about effects too,

because there's a certain, like we're talking about this all in the context of the top 40 guys in the world, right? Of, you know, I think the guys that are in that 20 to 40, 20 to 50 are in the most interesting spot because they can kind of wait and see, it's these top 10, 15, 20 guys that have to you know stick their foot in the, stick their toe in the water, jump first and then, and then other guys will follow. But that's what got so interesting to me this week is where I was like, man, if they're really like moving along in this, and if they have, let's say they have their, like as soon as it hits critical mass,

it just seems like it's going to be such a fast land grab for those next. Because the early guys that jump in first are the ones that would get equity and team ownership. And they're the ones that would actually make the lifetime money, right? So I think there's, you know, a PGL side, there's the equity in the, okay. But even still, there's your 12 original guys or whatever, like Cometans, if not,

there's got to be a reward for that. But what's so interesting to me is like, how I would think how quickly those next 36 spots would go, right? Where all of a sudden, if you're a player in the top 100, I think all of a sudden it would become like, oh shit, like this, if I don't jump now, like, am I going to miss out on a spot? Am I going to end up playing in triple A Durham next year?

Because, well, that's the thing. We got it. We got it. We got it. Charlotte. We got Charlotte. Is it very common? Well, let's say it's 50, you know, 48 guys, 50 guys. That leaves, you know, there's 160 guys in these fields a lot of the weeks, 154 guys in these fields a lot of weeks. All right. Then we're the other 100 guys go.

And I think in a weird way, the PGA tour actually gets, you know, it's not going to be the best, the best every week. But from where I'm sitting, just as a hard core fan. It gets really good. It gets super compelling because it's all like, oh, okay, this guy's battling for, you know what? It'll be like F1 when Sergio Perez didn't have a seat.

And it's like, this guy's killing people on the PGA tour. We gotta get him into the PGA, and then the Corn Fairy tour, it's almost like the tour and the CornGA tour, we got to get him into the PGL and then the Corn Ferry tour. It's almost like the tour and the Corn Ferry tour are kind of the same thing. And there's just kind of top tier events and bottom tier events. I don't know. I know we've talked about this a lot in the past and some people are probably rolling their eyes and saying, oh, God, I can't believe we're back here.

Like what happened? But there's a lot of chatter out there. It would be different if we were all making it up. And you made a good point, Tron. I mean, it also could just be, for all we know, like to, you know, bring a little bit of balance. It also just could be agents like leaking stuff to a bunch of people and, you know,

trying to extort more money from the PJ tour. Which just work has been working pretty well over the last two years. Stick to that game plan. Yeah. But it's wild, man. It's a true, interesting set. Well, the other thing we didn't, sorry,

the other thing we didn't talk about is like, if all these guys jump, I mean, like what happens to that TV deal you mentioned, right? Is there some mechanism in there? There's a clause or a clawback of some sort that says, hey, if there's a rival league and this many of the top, I'm not sure if it's top 100 in the world or top 15 in the world aren't showing up, then the deal's no-unvoid.

So that's interesting. I think what happened, like, very, very small thing, but what happened to the Netflix thing that just got it out, right? Like it's... What if, like, what are some of the players that they're like, I don't know, man? What happens to your pension, Dij? What happens to... I don't know.

What happens to, you know, some of these players, like if you're doing a Netflix series about players leaving the tour, like playing for their last time and like, I don don't think the tours can be down with that. So it's just, dude, there's so many, we're so early in this. It's a true, we'll keep you posted here. Yeah, it's just, I don't know, man. And keep in mind, too, the PGL has said, or at least, you know, last year, you're in a half ago, they said, hey, you know, we want to work with the tour on this.

We want tour events to be. Tours like dull birds. Yeah. We wanna be, you know, like kind of fold this into the Torah and say, hey, these events are kind of co-sanctioned where this is, you know. Tron, I'm gonna take Memorial and the farmers. I'm gonna take your house,

but I want it full cooperation on where you wanna put the furniture band. I want this to be a true partnership. And then you get to go. I own the house though, but I will be taking it. You get to go sleep in the garage. Anything you cook that looks good to me, I'm just going to take it though. I'm in, man.

It's just, it's wild. But anyways, the point of all this is it seems like, it seems like the next three weeks, the next month, as we're kind of between seasons here, it's not what I was expecting to talk about. I thought it was gonna be kind of quiet on the home front here, but it could be intriguing the next couple of weeks. So keep it on.

I still got my pouch of misery with going down to... Yeah, you do. PGA Tour headquarters with a sign and standing out out front. I might have to do something as this stuff starts going down, do something on the sign there. Well, we'll keep, we'll let people know when that happens. All right, moving on.

We're going to off the golf. I'm gonna dial in Sally right now. We're gonna get some boots on the ground from the F1 race. If you're not into F1, this would be a good time to turn us off, but I will say you may wanna stick around because we will have an around the horn segment. And then we'll have Mallorca open.

We'll have some nuggets from second stage corn fairy tour qualifying. And then a little bit of succession talk. Of course. From you guys too. BEEP. Oh my goodness. Oh, Chris, you're on with the ZAR. What's burning with you Brian the Horn?

Go ahead. First time, long time, just a big fan of you guys. That one takes, that's one to call it. That's my first Formula One race today. Oh my goodness was it electric. I got touring just flowing through my things right now. I've seen five red bull. I don't even I'm struggling for the words right now or here in the off-nare port just the cultural center of America

right now overflowing with race fans just buzzing. What a day. What would you say give us give us your highlight where and paint us a picture where are you hanging out sounds like you were hanging with team red bull uh... talk us here fully indoctrined in the team red bull you know i think we've got a hung out in turn one and just watch it mean was that was the place to be for you know the showdown

it came right first turn hamlet and for staff and and uh... that's a highlight was probably just watching him make that first move i mean it was like total shock and yet appreciation because everyone there was cheering for Max. And it's just like, dude, it's kind of sick just like watch the go do a just a totally sick move that was balls to the wall. And it was, I mean, I was happy expecting a crash at that point because it was, he just beat him to the inside line. And Max, like, tried to get over, didn't go over fast enough.

And it was, uh, that was, that was the highlight. And then coming down to, I didn't realize that there was like fireworks that would go off when he crossed the, uh, crossed the finish line. So that was a pretty big highlight at the end. And there was just champagne showers going all around the Red Bull fence and, uh, man, what a port. What a port. It sounds like you, you had, you had about a dozen Red Bulls, which is, which is awesome. So much Red Bull, you guys have, you know, how many flavors of Red Bull there are?

No, like 35 of them. I have them all. Watermelon. It's like the coconut, the Red Bull, Red Bull Museum. Uh, if my loop wasn't dead, my beat for a minute would be about 240 right now. Pretty sure. So, Ollie, I'm sipping on a watermelon right now. Our friends at Red Bull Senate's in me.

They've been trying to keep me on the squad. Even though I hate Albon. Any word on Albon while you were there? Yeah, yeah, everyone was talking about Albon as the first. That was the big, that was the talk. It was the talk of the Red Bull. They were talking about Albon and Ricky's 54 fitting. How about Checo? Let's not forget about Checo

and this whole thing. You know, you know, Checo and he's a dog. A popular, popular dude. And it was, I heard some crazy number, some of the amount of people that flew in from Mexico just to watch Checo rate. But he was, he was the one that had garnered the most on the ground support, which was kind of surprising to me.

But yeah, he was kind of surprising to me. But yeah, he was kind of lonely. He was running his own race today. But man, it's just like, this is probably the most obvious take in the world. But you've watched the Formula Four comes out first in those days. The W Series comes out. And they're all racing like the same cars. They're all equal cars.

And it's more like go-carding than it is race cars. And then the Formula One comes out. And you almost can't even appreciate how fast they go around turn run and they swing shot around turn two. And it looks like a rocket ship. It's closer to a rocket ship than an actual car. Yeah, it was just an action pack weekend. The weekend just escalated from Friday watching, getting just watching practice. Exciting.

Qualifying a little bit better in person than it is on TV, I thought, and then, yeah, the actual buzz around the actual race, and there's like 160,000 people there, I don't know how many it looked on TV, but it was overwhelming. Especially that people broke contained before the gates even opened, they were crawling under fences, and like all the people that were actually lined up at the gate, didn't get to the hill in time, there's people like cut themselves on the fence for fleeting, you know, even families behind just running ahead trying to get the boss on the hill. It was intense, man. There was like a palpable, palpable buzz. I mean, obviously, it's my first one I've been to, but people that have been to a lot of them were like, yeah, four years ago, this was absolutely nothing like that. They seem, they seem blown away in the, in the post game, like Hamilton said something and then the other guy said something and just the other guy said something of just like, I think we've got America now. Like I think America's hooked now.

Which not, oh God, not to get too fired up about a bunch of the shit we just talked about, but like, imagine that man, you like made a huge investment in your content. People saw the light and we're very interested in it. It's solid. I'm not sure if you saw anything, the pregame was electric with the Brundle. Uh, Martin Brundle was, he was trying to interview Megan, Megan V. Stallion and Serena Williams. I had a bit of a, uh, Hunger Games, like the capital vibe, right? Just the, the celebrity's all kind of, you know, the, yeah, I have a scooter and then, you know, the people from whatever district seven district nine cut and cut themselves on the fence right now. Get into the hillside kind of a scoops cowhand thing.

Champ champ, but Rory McElroy, Arden Asset Martin supporter, new new everything new exactly who Brundle was. It's such a bad look when these people are down there on everything to exactly who Brondle was. It's such a bad look when these people are down there on pit lane or, you know, at the start. And they have no idea, like, who the BBC people are, or who the, you know, who the presenter is. It's like, it would be like, Serena Williams being down on downflagon NFL game and not knowing who Tony Roma was or Jim Nance or disgusting. T.C. You're absolutely right. Hate that. So any other takeaways? It was, the only regret I had was like, I couldn't catch up with Brondel and Croftie and the boys.

You know, I needed the announcer. So like, the undercutting stuff that was going on, I mean, it was pure shock when Max like drove into the pits so early because we just had no insight that that was even remotely gonna happen. And I just got to say, another one, we're Christian Horner just absolutely pants total wolf and that is not the first time that

has happened this year. And it seemed like just I was catching up online and still a lot of people were questioning this strategy. We stuck in the kit super early but just two major undercuts and Max saved his tires and sounded like again you're just kind of guessing when you're out there like just watching go around and around and put and Hamilton was gaining, absolutely just gaining on him and you're just, he almost kind of is a little bit enjoyable to actually not have full information, your kind of, your, the suspense is left to just your eyes instead of probably actually telling you what's about to happen. I thought Max was going to get screwed by the guys, a lap behind like that he was, you know,

because, but then he started getting D.R.S. from those guys too. Yeah. And that's a Hamilton move. I didn't realize you could do that until I thought Hamilton'd do that. I don't think so. I forget what point. You could do that. I don't think so, but you could do that.

But it just seems like all those little things that you seem to go Hamilton's way last year. You know, we kept it, he can't keep getting away with it. He can't do it. And it's catching up, man. I mean, what was the little bit of the post-round interviews like? It sounded like, you know, Hamilton all props them act.

I just didn't get to hear any of that. Yeah, I was pretty nervous. It was, both of them were very professional. It was class. It was all class here, class. From both of them, good race by both of them. It was a battle to the end. But, Sali, let me just wanna let you know,

you're in good hands over here. We have had a nice little show and happy anniversary. Hope you enjoyed the weekend and tell Hannah we said hi as well. And, Toto. Well, I'll leave you guys with this. I just realized this when we were watching Hamilton go around. I was like, how many ghosts have you seen in their sport? I think this is one of my second one. This one in the cat. There you have it, Jordan. Just some food for thought. I think I this is one of my second one. This one in the cat. There you have it Jordan. Just some food for thought. I think I might have to try to seek out a few.

I mean, to see Tom Brady play football for the fact. Oh, we don't need to talk. We don't need to label Tom Brady to the go. It's okay. He's kind of a system quarterback. Yeah, the jury is still out on that. We'll see if we can have it there. All right, thanks for calling.

Next call. Next call. See you buddy. Cheers. Wow, electric stuff. Next call, next call. See you buddy. Wow, electric stuff. Electric stuff from Sally. He definitely sounded like he was indulging in some red bulls. Yes, many. Honey, can you hear his heart?

It's like a hummingbird. Just fluttering. What else we want to talk about? I don't have too much else in the notebook. Listen, the Mallorca opened. They played it. I didn't. No, there's another win. Another week, another win by a dain.

They're out there and jumping out. I respect that. Shot 62, 71, 62, 70. Want to get a shout out to Lori Cantor. Sure. Tied for fifth. Just having a big year. Yeah. Overall, I think he's think he's killing it. You know, he's a long time electron. If that guy had a PGL team.

Exactly. Exactly. What else we got? We got stage two. Second stage. Just, you know, four different, five different second stages around the country. I think this is the one, correct me if I'm wrong, Tron,

but this is the one where everybody always says, you know, the pressure really ramps up because if you make it to final stage, you know you're going to have some sort of of, uh, corn fairy status next year. But if you don't make it out of second stage, you're, uh, not so much. So yeah, a couple, couple got friends of the program, Brian Richie, young hitter, making it through in, uh, in Brooksville, Florida, along with T.K. Kelly and Luke Guthrie, a couple of other friends of the pod. Richie, self proclaimed greatest putter alive.

Greatest putter alive. We liked that kind of confidence. We did. I think he had to make like a four or five footer to make it on the numbers though. He was saying, tell Randy, I made like 160 feet of plots today. Good for him there out in Albuquerque, Kyle Westmoreland, who just did a podcast, another self-promotion here, but Cody McBride, we started a new podcast with him called Downrange, where he talks

about all types of different stuff with all types of different people. But Kyle Westmoreland, former Air Force guy, I believe, right, was an early guest on there. So he made it through. He'll have his corn fairy status, some sort of corn fairy status next year. Scott Harrington was a great, feel good story a couple years ago, made it through the, through the Portland event, obviously dealing with his wife's illness, a lot of other stuff. And it was a true kind of things move quickly when you, when you get up to the, to the tour and kind of lost his card and had to fight back through seconds, second stage. So cool to see that. I believe we up to the to the tour and kind of lost his card and had to fight back through seconds.

Second stage, so cool to see that. I believe we talked to him on the podcast. I had a great interview with him. Quad Cummins. Quaid. Quaid? I spelled Quaid. I don't know if it's Quaid or Quad.

The fucking shotgun star guys have messed me up. I don't know what it actually is. But so fucking guys, stud from Oklahoma made it through Alabama. You had Blaine Barber and Andy Ogletree. Always good when USAM champs go do something, right? Like you never want the USAM champs mired in the depths of the program. A much more bullish on Ogletree than I am on the kid

that won this past year. I think Ogletree won the Georgia Tech too. No, the kid that just won was Michigan State. Oh no, okay, they kid that one two years ago. The guy abandoned. Yeah. Strophachi. Strophachi.

I'm good on Strophachi. Oh, thank you for that. Moving on. Marietta Stage, I saw a Tainley. I remember writing a golf week college story about Tainley a million years ago. And he's still the nicest guy ever after that story, almost won a Congaree on the PJ tour

and had to go all the way back to second stage. But good for him. And then at the Florida event, just a couple names, Michael Vassaki, who went semi- The Sack Master. Viral in the world of golf with his film, oh my god, I just want to qualified. Video was very cool.

And then Wilgordan, who I still contend is going to be a stud. But then got to get keep the dream of special special shout out to Andrew Alley. Good young hitter. Yeah. He was DFL through two rounds. He was being hit and then he did. And then he hit. And then he was, I think he shot like

62 or 63 here. He was like 11 under the last two many, many times on the head of the hammer. So, you know, fought his way out of the corner and I think that's, you know, turned it up negative into a positive like that. Speaking of turning a negative into a positive Falcons. Falcons. Well, but come on, that was Miami's atrocious. They're terrible. So I'm not gonna hang that hat on that win. The tile pits looks like a super predator. We need to save this for the around the horn. So let's go there now.

All right, dudes, take us there. Around the horn, what's burning? What are we doing? Basically, you got 30 seconds. Maybe. is probably gonna take a minute. You can talk about whatever you wanna talk about. I wanna give a shout out to a couple things. Succession is back tonight, episode two, thrilled to watch that, no spoilers for Tron.

If you would love some spoilers, go listen to our trap draw that we did, goes up until the end of season two. I also wanna give a shout out. I've watched all of season two. I just don't, I don't want current season spoilers because I wait until there's like five or six episodes on the camera.

Objection, he's infringing on my time. Yeah. I also want to give a shout out to the guy. I went and saw Dune with my lovely wife the other day at Sunray Cinema here in Jacksonville. The couple next to us sitting right next to me, split 15 beers over the course of the movie. And I just, I've never seen anything like,

because I counted them after they left because they beers over the course of the movie. And I just, I've never seen anything like, cause I counted them after they left, cause they left during the climax of the movie when he answered his second phone call of the night. And I believe it was from his, his lady who may have been in disposed in the bathroom. And what kind of beers? Bud Light, which is gonna open up the, whoo, it's not really beers, it's more water.

If I had that many beers, I would literally die. So they each had seven or eight. In like two hours. It's a lot. It's a lot. So they will they each had seven or eight in like two hours. It's a lot. It's a lot. And they're so loud. They go to the bathroom. And he only went to the bathroom once.

See, that's the most impressive thing to me. I believe you know of. I mean, he was sitting right next to me. No, I guess he could have pissed his pants. Yeah, he could have that don't diaper on. Sure. That's that's a good looking out. I think that's all I got.

That's pretty cool. T.C. what do you got? Oh, first of all, I want to give you, you know, just a little bit of run for last night. Oh, thank you. Went out to the barbecue place near our house. Pretty terrible barbecue, but that's not where you're going to be there.

Niels playing with all the little kids and having like very rational conversations with them. And then they wanted Niel to do something or be the bad guy. And Niel said, no, I'm not the bad guy. I never play the bad guy. it's bad for my brand. It's bad for my brand. It's like Apple and the movies,

they only let the good guys use their phones. If you're a bad guy, you gotta use an Android. I'm not using Android, come on. Other stuff I'm burning on, two of stinks. I can't imagine what Urban Meyer did this week during the Jags by week. What else we got? Jamar Chase, complete animal.

Reports on Twitter that you didn't want the Bengals to drive. Oh, he was my number one, he was number one on my big board. Poochewer, he apologized to me today. I have the verbals from it. Well, I just want to say Mr. Pooch, please keep holding Mr. TC accountable. That's the kind of stuff we need in this world. Well, we're holding Randy accountable too

because he want to, uh, Devonte Smith, aka the Nebysh Reaper ahead of Jim March. I want to ask Poo, share, we sure we want to get into this, this world where we're sharing text messages. Yeah, that's the Rubicon. There's no, there's no going back once we start doing that. It was just tread lightly. Yeah. The bangles, huge win, huge in Baltimore, sorry KVV.

The shit out of them. Yeah. So, so and you know a big win for Your time you're time's up. Yes Columbia 19 and nothing on the road at Dartmouth man I got fucking smoke at Dartmouth when I played but it was great to see the boys are five and I think four and one or five and one Oh man some special brewed up there in Morningside Heights, baby. Go Lions! Al Bagno only. Al fucking bags man. How about that guy? What do I have? Let me think here. I want to give a shout out to TC. He fulfilled his goal this year. Last night, he finally put his hair into a man bun and Freddie, his son, also had his hair in a man bun. I have a great picture. If I'm feeling frisky tomorrow,

I'll probably put it up on Twitter. But the two of them, like father-like son, had Freddie look a little sex symbol, a little European soccer star. Yeah, he had the tight shorts on, running around the barbecue place, which stunk, by the way. So that was good.

And I want to give shout out to the Laxbroz across the street, continuing to throw absolute bangers every Saturday. Shirts, not optional. They, you're not allowed to be at the party if you have a shirt on. They're playing Beard Eye, Snappa in the front yard. This is the Jacksonville University. Jacksonville, Lacks team is absolutely sending it respectful to the neighbors though. They keep the cars.

They keep it all in their, in their little compound over there. But, you know, they, they, the cars, they keep it all in their little compound over there. But they're turning it loose. Last three weeks have been turning it loose. Braden, Brandon, Fielding, Sackmaster, Hector, the protectors over there. Keeping all the riff raff out. So yeah, it's been an exciting weekend. And I'm ready to watch succession. I'm hyped for our number one boys tonight.

What do you think is gonna happen? What do I think is gonna happen tonight? I think that we're gonna see Shiv come to the young gun side. Yeah, I think she's pretty, I think that was the implication. Certainly, she's driver, we're gonna be making another stop. Yes. Going to join team Kendall. She's got the lawyer. She's got a listen, man. It's it's it's been out there for a week. I'm not going to change

your lifestyle. I just hope we see some of those pleated Chino. Straight like straight like Chino. Some cool tweets. Maybe a rapid TEDx. Get the Bojack guys. We've got to get the Bojack guys on board. We might have to get the Bojack guys for NLU. That's all, that's all we got tonight. Hopefully we did all right. And again, congrats to Sully, one year marriage. How about that?

We gave him the night off. You know, congrats on your braves too. Yeah, I watched the whole game last night. That was pretty cool. That was pretty cool. You know, my streak remains alive. I think I'm gonna watch the World Series. And you know, fuck the Astros, man.

Those guys are cheaters. I'll leave you, I'll leave everybody with that. They are, they are. Bad guys. All right, thanks for tuning in. I'm gonna do that. Smell ya! Let's get the right club.

Be the right club today. Yes! Me! I'm outta here, that's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.