No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 499: LPGA and Euro Tour Championship Recap

Episode Date: November 22, 2021

Jin Young Ko wins the LPGA Tour Championship while Collin Morikawa claims the European Tour championship and the Race to Dubai title.  Meanwhile on the PGA Tour, Taylor Gooch wins at Sea Island for his first career victory. We recap all three tournaments, plus the Cat's potential return, the LPGA Tour player of the year process, Rory's wardrobe malfunction, some reaction to our midweek PGL interview pod and much more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast, Sully here, Sunday, afternoon in the Kill House sitting here with my main man, DJ Pie. I've been a little while since you've been on a recap, bud. Happy to be back.

Happy to be back. Happy Sunday to you and yours. And of course here to share many, many thoughts with us, especially on the LPGA. This guy was jacked up for the race to the CME conclusion tour championship this week. Big Randy calling in from Denver. Hello, Randy. How are you? Hey, guys, the race is over. We can declare a winner. I won't spoil anything. It's 63 consecutive. We'll get to that 63 greens in a row. We got a lot to talk about. We there was a golf swing made today. It was maybe the most significant golf swing that we've ever seen in golf history. A lot of different golf going on in different parts of the world.

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Yes, all one word as well. Dej, we had a little conversation before we got going on what to start with here and it kind of breaks my heart a little bit to do it, but I think we start with the cat. You know, I've always said so. The cat, a lot of people talk about what moves the needle. I say the cat is the needle.

Wow, you know, golly. If you use that muskredit DJ pie with a capital IS. Yeah, he is. He is the needle. Or you can put asterisks around the is if you want to emphasize. I'm really, truly jarring to see that pop up, right? Well, I'd like to withhold the right

to make fun of everyone for talking about this yet also talk about this. Of course, okay. Yeah. It was truly shocking. I feel like either there's so much shocking stuff going on all the time that you don't ever feel shocked or there's never anything quite this shocking to just see the cap pop up, making golf swings.

I don't know how to, I don't really even know where to start with it. I was, I was, I don't know, joking is the right term, but it was talking to you guys before he came out. I mean, the guy, he literally drove his car off a cliff. But like, I was pretty, pretty resigned to the fact that like, okay, like, hopefully he lives and like, yeah, he might not play golf again. Like, that's, that's totally okay. And that was, uh, and then he looked like a golfer.

Rainy, did this get you excited? I don't know. Maybe it's the Christmas season coming. Sometimes I feel like it's time of year. I, uh, I, I have a black heart, but Rainy, is the great, three sizes too small. Literally could not big, big, big, guy or small heart, hard, hard to tell. Well, I mean, tell. Why is Tiger?

Why does he want to play golf anymore? That's what I can't figure out. You want to get on the Super Sentin' Code block? You should ride that this was all a ploy to show off that launch monitor he was using. No free ads. No free ads. Also, do we know he wants to play golf? No, it's golf swing.

That's what I was going to say. I don't know what else to say about this other than if he wants to play golf. I hope he comes back and plays golf. And if he doesn't want to play golf. I hope he doesn't play golf You know, I mean, I know that sounds very very obvious, but listen man. He truly doesn't owe anybody anything if he doesn't Ever play another tournament. I'm totally fine with that. It's all gravy. I guess so does it make me happy to see? Yeah, of course it does But it does it you know and my holding out for like oh my god God. Now he's for sure going to win at St Andrews. Like, I don't know. Like, no, anything that happens, you know, happens. It's all gravy.

I didn't think about. Got it. Now he's got to be the, he got to be the favorite though. Right. He's got to be the way for sure he's a favorite. Did I lay better? You know, maybe I will never declare him done again. I don't care. He might be 75 years old. I still think he has another run in him after what we saw. Went in 2019 masters after being declared dead many, many times in 2016 and 17. The most miraculous thing that we should, we should lead, I've said this before, we should lead every show talking about the 2019 masters because of how absurd it was. Like still too big to wrap your head Yeah, we haven't really we probably are due to do a whole catch up podcast on everything that happened on that day

But I guess I'm not shocked nine months after the accident to see him swing in a club I'm gonna we've seen videos of him walking out there and he's not hitting you know, you know nailing four irons or three woods or drivers or anything like that from what we could tell. And I've heard that he's been hitting pitch shots and hitting chips and whatnot. So this didn't, I don't know, it didn't surprise, surprised me to see that. I saw the headline that I get alerts for his tweets and making progress. I was like, oh my god, this is just like 2017. It's literally word for word. Yeah, yeah. Same tweet.

It's not broke, don't fix it. This time it wasn't, you know, to shoot down rumors that he was you know Not healthy or whatnot, but well, I think that's the other thing too is like Rainy I'm with you. I don't want to I don't want to be cynical and this is much more of a functional comment But I mean we've kind of At least for me like going back to working at golf week working at the tour doing all this Kind of been doing the like willy-wonty game for like 12 years So I'm very like I'm'm not going to make any predictions. I'm not going to say I don't care, but you know, yeah, let us know, man,

if he's going to turn it sweet, we'll tune in. Would love to watch, but I'm not going to, I'm not hanging with, with beta breath on everything. It's too exhausting. Well, and it, and it just feels a little bit performative to, at least the social media stuff, but, you know, I, I, I, I get the game, so whatever. I just, I don't know, I don't know if it makes me the weird one or the messed up one. I'm like, I don't, I don't really care. Like when he enters a tournament, cool. Like that'll be great. Great for him, great for golf. I just can't get that worked up over stuff like this. Even when we were just starting out this podcast

and this whole charade or this whole act of his tiger back when he's gonna be back, like all the little news stuff, I was tired of it in the very beginning of this. So like this many years in, I'm just very much just like, oh yeah, I don't know if I can get super hyped. I can't do this whole ride all over again. And that weighs 45 now. Like DJ said, almost died in a car accident.

And I don't know if he's ever gonna walk fully like uninhibited ever again. I mean, do we know that? I mean, that's a very fair question. A year in, or you know, can he do 72 holes on a not flat golf course? Is it? Well, that's what, yeah.

I don't even know if it's worth going into. I know, stuff, but it? Well, that's it. Yeah. I don't even know if it's worth going into. I know, but it's like, man, okay, so the game continues to be more and more about distance and hitting it as hard as you possibly can. He's already, you know, his knees already didn't work and then he pulverizes a lower body by, again, driving off a cliff. Like, it's a lot to expect the man to get out there and go beat like Rory and Dustin Johnson and Colin Moore, Kawa and Dustin Johnson and Columnmore,

Kawa and Zander and Patrick Cantlay and all these guys like on the same week. It's just, and that's, you know, I think that, which again, sorry, which again proves how wild the 2019 Master's was. Of course. And I think left kind of unsaid and certainly uninvestigated from the crashes, what was he on? What if anything, right? And given his addiction history, like how is he gonna play the highest level of golf again with that body without taking painkillers

or it just is like, man, I hope he's, I don't know, I just hope he finds peace and happiness and it doesn't feel like he owes anybody anything. But, you know, who knows? I'll pick a bump that last part. I think he still owes the golf world and the world at large an explanation for what happened in that car accident. It's not a normal thing to do that. And he's not done media since then. He has not told his story. He has not shown any, you know, remorse or regret for driving 87 miles an hour and a 45, whatever it was and many other things that were, you know, rumored to have happened, you know, among that, like, you still,

I hope that doesn't get brushed completely under the table. That needs to be addressed, right? Yeah. For sure. And that's where it almost is like that. Probably a long time ago. Oh, 100%. And now we're not sure if we haven't already. But if we're making we're skipping right to golf swings. Like when he does come back to a tournament, I think I hope that he can expect a lot of questions about him. So anyways, that was a nice little, he got like four million views in just a few hours. Like it is insane how you can command a weekend, even, you know, during NFL season and all that.

But LPG, he's not needle. He is. Thank you for the update on that. CME Group tour championship down in Naples, Jin Young Co. She won by 13 shots, but the scoreboard says she won by one. So I the scoreboard says she won by one. So I'm really confused as to how this happened. She wins by one over Nasa, Toka shoots a final round. 63.

Where do we start with this one? Randy, you tell us. Let's go. Let's, let's start with player of the year. She clenches the LPJ's player of the year, which, of course, is, um, totally point, points based edges out, Nelly Corda. If you guys let me ask you a question. If you had a vote for player of the year, would you vote for Jin Young Co or Nelly Corda? And let me just say Jin Young Co is one five times, no majors. Nelly Corda's resume is four LPGA wins,

including a major plus the Olympic gold medal, which obviously does not count as an official of PGA win. God, that's tough because it's five wins really, five to five with the major because I want to say, genuine, because it felt like a tie come into this week. It felt like truly whoever wins, if, you know, if genuine code didn't win this week and but beat Nelly, I still probably would have gone with Nelly, but to go out and win the final event, win the $1.5 million to hit 63 consecutive greens. 63 consecutive greens. That's, that's unfucking hard. So yeah, that's going to be playing.

I was thinking, if you went out and played like Pup Hut, you think you could keep the ball in the greens? I thought about that straight holes. I was tweeting with someone you went out and played like Pup-Pup, you think you could keep the ball in the green? You think you could keep that straight, holes? I was tweeting with someone today. I don't know if I truly don't know if I hit 63 greens in all of 2021. Let alone 63 to row. I know it, listen, I know the men's game and the women's game are different,

the setups are different. Let's just head off, let's just head off all those people. But shout out to friend of the program, Justin Ray, I was tweeting something about the longest streak. I don't know. Did you guys see this tweet? Yeah. Part of me, first of all, it sounds like a made up person and a made up stat from just. Well, no, no. Oh, from just. So the longest streak on the PJ tour last year was of all people Steve Stricker

with 35 consecutive greens hit. Again, genuine co-hit 63 this week. And taking that even further, if you want to go back into like previous eras on the PJ tour, Justin Ray, friend of the program, also holler back that the last time anybody hit over 50 in a row on the PJ tour was 1995.

So almost 30 years ago. I get again, Jin Young co hit 63. I so was who's they flash that stat? Only because she ran out of ago. I can't really get in. Genie on co hits 63. I so was who's a flash that stat only because she ran out of walls. I know. So truly ran out of walls. We're on to like no, no, no at this point. We're out of the tournament of champions. I think I lost track of the leaderboard because as soon as they flash that stat, all I cared

about was that she hit every three. For sure. 100%. There were a couple of close ones. There were a couple of that were like crowned where she crept out of the fridge and it trickled back out of the greed. She even hit one under regulation on the way and just for good measure on 17.

It was awesome, it was incredible. I think I gotta go Nelly based on the, by the way, back to your question. American bias. Totally American bias. No, but listen man, we say the same thing about the men's side. Majors are what it's about, right?

And I think that's got account for if not, you know, there's no calculation, but it counts for more than one in my mind, I think. I feel differently about it on the LPGA tour and I'll tell you why. It is a different, they have less tournaments and they have more tournaments where everyone shows up. Everyone's going to be there basically. So a win on the LPGA, there are many different layers to wins on the PGA tour. That's a very good point. And LPGA feels like every week that it's a lot of the same names,

you'll see at the top because they're playing pretty much every event. So that, it's a little just a different scale on the LPGA tour if you ask me. Randy, what do you think? It's tough. It's really hard. It's awesome, by the way. I think just to, besides the 63 greens in regulation, which may or may not be a record, LPGA doesn't keep such records. You know, Jin Young co-tied the record for most consecutive rounds in the 60s this year at 14.

So she's done some really historic stuff. I, in the interest of being consistent though, I do have to agree with you, you know, I remember arguing on behalf of Michelson some years where like if you, if you capture a major, that has to be worth more than just one regular win. So I think I would give it to Nelly, but I have no issue whatsoever that Jinyunco is the winner. I do think Jinyunco is proved. I think when she is on and at her best, I think it's world class. I don't think anybody has a higher gear. For what it's worth also, Jinyunco played two more events than Nelly as well. So Nelly got four wins in two less starts also. She had more endurance though. Look like nellie honestly ran out of steam

and then she's talked, she was talking some this week about her energy level being a bit low and she looked just a little, uh, little fatigued there in a final round 69. I think that stretch leading into the, uh, soul home cup, and maybe there's a lot of these stretches and I'm, I'm just not paying close enough attention to women's golf, but That stretch leading to the Soulheim Cup was truly insane when you really like looked at where all those ladies had been the last five weeks I was like man, I can't go to like the West Coast and back and not just be derailed for you know a week There in like Singapore, Scotland, Korea, I'm still over this. I'm still recovering from Abu Dhabi in 2018.

Yeah, it's a it's a tough travel schedule. I don't know. What a great budding rivalry though. For me, between Nelly and Jinyoungco, Jinyoungco is 26. Gosh, how old is Nelly? She's what, 22 or 23? Yeah, she's got to forget. But now, 10 more majors to go. What was she? She's super young. I'm not sure if it's a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit one to one ratio between player, the year awards and miscuts with with two each. God, it's crazy.

She shot 30, 30 on the front nine over the weekend with a bogey. She bogey nine yet on Saturday to shoot 30 on the front, which is, she's not even hitting range balls this week. Oh, yeah, we didn't even mention that. That's probably the most outrageous part of the whole week, right? But what did you explain that? She's just showing up and I almost kind of wanted her to, as an homage, maybe to the cat, especially being in the news today.

Maybe, you know, tell somebody that she popped a boneback in place in a wrist at one point. But that was the issue. I actually had a left wrist injury and was showing up to the golf course, not hitting anything above a 60 yard pitch. As before her round. That's an homage to her crush, Brooks Keppka, right? Who's he's like, I only did golf balls before the round. She gave an interview a couple years ago where she said admitted she had a huge crush on Brooks Keppka. And I don't know if any of this is getting lost in translation, but she said she met him

in his in her dream. And then we had a really good time. That's sweet. She's the best. I love, she's like super just an awesome disposition on the golf course. I've never met her, but from people I've talked to, they seem to really like her. And she's she learned she's learning English through wraps off through through YouTube videos. Like she has a she had had a, in that video, she has an interpreter, like answering the question, like reading the question back for in Korean, but she answers it entirely in English. And she did it if anybody wants to Google something kind of a timeline cleanser, the LPGA does like these little short videos on

Twitter, kind of like mystery box, where the players like put their hands in a box and they don't know what's in there. And they kind of like mystery box where the players like put their hands in a box and they don't know what's in there. And they kind of feel around and Jin Young Cows was amazing. It's just like four minutes of her freaking out laughing. And it's impossible not just like sit there and laugh. It's it's a great four minute video. Talk about a concept that is just like, man, why does this work? Yeah. And I sit there and I watch the whole thing. The cadady Quiz games, those are really good. Those get me every time.

I did have, you know, we can maybe do it later. Maybe we take this to the trap draw, Rady, but I was saddened and dismayed to see her favorite movie was A Star's Born. Film notoriously hated by me and my big compatriot. And maybe that's, you know, maybe that's some of the language. Yeah, I think so. I think so. I think so.

She just doesn't quite know what's like, schlock pandering at or that's why you guys went with Nelly. That was the tiebreaker right there. Well, we need to find out when Nelly shared movies. We'll effort that. Hannah Green wins the A on risk reward challenge, which is a million dollars, which is, and I mean, absolutely enormous prize on the LPGA tour. They covered it on the broadcast.

Judy Rankin was all over it saying that the housing market in Australia isn't sane. She's not been able to afford a house. And now she has a million dollars and she's gonna go buy a house. So how about that? She almost played the risk of award holes in a full shot under par on average this year.

It was, what was the sad? I'm gonna mess it up. It was equal to her last two or three years, something of earnings or something on tour. So yeah, a true game changer, which is awesome in an on that note. Man, I must have missed this earlier in the week, but it's to hurt it on the broadcast.

One of the rare CEO interview things that kind of made me be like, wow, really? The winner of this CME tour championship next year, gets two million bucks. Up from 1.5 as it currently is. Up from 500,000 in 2018. Yeah. So like four years later, you know, four X increase,

which spoiler alert, I think we're gonna be hearing about some purse increases on the PGA tour this week. So let's just get ahead of that and not let the LPGA get completely dwarfed as I think they're probably about to but good on everybody involved in that that's insane military Duffy and the Chicago mercantile exchange But I will say that that person creases all throughout the the tournament too, which is cool. Yeah, I think like 60th place last place gets like go 60th place, last place gets,

goes from like 11,000 to 40,000, which is great. Anything else on the LPJ? I'll also shout out to our LPJ did their kind of annual awards banquet this year, shout out to Madeline Sagsstrom, our young hitter, our favorite, who got the Heather Far award, kind of a, I don't know what you call it, kind of a courage award type of thing. Yeah, like courage, perseverance.

Yeah. And she gave a great speech. I put that on my Instagram, but it's on her Instagram as well. Go follow her and check that out. It was really, really good stuff. So yeah, pump to see that. Get on board the LPGA. They just announced their 2022 schedule. Whether it be watching events on TV or getting one, getting out to one around where you live between Nelly, Gin Young co, Patty Tavitana, Kit, there's so many good young players coming up in Liddy. Liddy. Cause resurgence this year.

She was a clear cut number three on the LPGA team of this year. I mean, Minji Lee is 25 and won a major this year. Like she has tons of talent. It's it's getting really good. Leona McGuire hasn't even won yet on tour and she's a absolute killer. So I just can't speak enough about how good that product is and I think it's just going to keep getting better and better. So fun times ahead for the LPGA. One just random thing in Wim's golf just saw a note that they're their lead producers leaving Beth Hutter I believe at the golf channel produces all the LPGA stuff only reason I bring that up is because Anytime you talk to anybody that works in and around the LPGA whether that's

Grant Boone Jerry Foltz Karen Stuples any of those people all they do is just Rave like lunatics about how great Beth is and how much they like working for her. So that seems like a bit of a loss, but just something worth noting. I would be interested in you know what the full story is there. And maybe it's nothing nefarious, but it does seem like Beth Ann Nichols had a line in her story about it. I don't know if it was a quote or if it was kind of a point she was making, but it is a it's strange to see someone leave a job like that that basically

only about four or five people on the planet get the chance to do and she's kind of leaving to it. We talk about it every week. We would totally be able to do that. We couldn't even get the fucking mics to her. But she's leaving what in kind of what seems like her peak and I know she was able to do some major championships this year. And kind of she was, I think probably at the head of the, the all female broadcast, which was what at Randy at the shop right, maybe. Yep. And yeah, so just kind of, I don't know, I guess disappointing from a fans perspective

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tour, dude, dude, perfect world tour. Yeah, that's starting the new year, DP. I don't know. Call on more cow. I started the DP here early here. The European tour mainstay, more a cow. I think he's originally from somewhere in the UK, wins the race to Dubai, wins it by three, shoot a final round, 66. Spiritually, he might be from Scotland or something like that. You know, he really seems to connect with the soul of the game. 100%. I think he might be the youngest Tom Morris.

And when are we going to see this guy make his way over to the States here for, you know, yeah, let's see if I get some real competition. See what happens. Do you guys know how many full Europe just soul European tour events? You played this year three. It was three. Yeah. He finished he finished 68th and 71st in two of them.

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That's nice. Can you guys believe it was one two Americans race into Dubai? How about that man? It was more shocked, Billy Horseshoe finished second. Unreal. And one thing just to I know we've said this a lot. We've made lots and lots of jokes about this, but the whole lifetime membership thing, you get that if you win a major.

That's not like a marketing thing. I made fun of that for a long time with the Patrick Reed. They've offered him lifetime membership on the European tour. It's like everybody who wins a major gets that. That's why Moorakawa had that. So Kyle Porta tweeted this earlier about Moorakawa in his first 60 events as a pro.

Two major wins, six overall wins, four second place finishes, 24 top 10s, five miscuts, 18.5 million dollars earned in 60 events. Uh, first to two majors and eight stars since Bobby Jones, first American to win the race to Dubai and three oh and one at the Ryder Cup. All while having negative strokes in the club. Wow. That is patently absurd. And he's not like dominating off the tee either. Like his iron play is truly that good that he gets some hot weeks with putter.

He's winning 10% of his starts as a pro. Well, the, I think the thing that jumped out to me the most is 20, what did you say 24 top 10s and 60 starts? Yes. That's without being able to put. That's really good. Oh gosh. Yeah. It just seems like it's, but it's kind of an indicator, right? It's never going to be like he's not going to go out and miss a bunch of cuts, right? Like the ball striking is going to seemingly keep you in every week. And it's just kind of a matter of whether you're going to finish 30th or top three, depending on the putter. And it's only, yeah, it's only got four measured rounds so far in 2022. So just one start this fall, but it shows them it at almost a full stroke gain putting

so far in this fall. So if he's truly has maybe turned a corner with the putting here from July on or whatnot, that's worth noting because that means world number one. If he could put averages, the best player in the world. When he does get the putter going, man, it's really fun to watch. And I can't, I won't lie and claim that I watch this tournament live, but I did watch the European tours kind of packaged up highlights video.

And when he did it at the open championship, but when he starts making those like 15, 20 footers, because he just, I mean, he hits it to 15 20 feet on every single freaking hole. When he starts running those in, man, he's so fun to watch. He's like superstar superstar fun to watch. I, when he starts making 15 footers, he can cancel Chris. Really? In the open field.

He's mocking wildly. You know, my favorite part about Mara Kahwa is, is flair for the dramatic or seeming flair for the dramatic. I, I really like that about him He he seems special I Dude I'm I'm so with you in that I know this is gonna be debunked by every like strokes game thing And it's just luck and blah blah blah variance yada yada yada But do he truly seems like he just steps up and like hits amazing golf shots in amazing moments, right?

I mean, going back to Harding Park, going back to the open, like even today, like some of those three woods he hit, dude, they're just on just ropes. It's so awesome to watch. It's, yeah, it's amazing that I don't know. He's got the weirdest record in terms of marrying up stats with like his win record, right? Like the data golf numbers don't have him as one of the top 10 bus players in the world, like on Strokes gained and stuff. It's just, it's interesting though, because he doesn't, I don't know what tone was in

the field this week also. I think it, to your point, like when he needs to hit the shots to win, he doesn't, right? Yet there's many weeks that he's forgotten about and just kind of just there, right? But which is 100% like my favorite player to watch. You know what I mean? Like, it feels very speedy and I was going to ask because I don't know the answers. I'm not setting you up here. But was data golf or like, are they super high on speed when he was winning majors?

I don't know the answer to that, but speed and more cow are right next to each other in their rankings at 17 and 18 right now. Yeah. Check. I think I know which one I'm taking if we're doing a heads up bet. Go into the week. It's more cow. That's.

Yeah. Don't downplay Jordan season though. It didn't finish great. He kind of petered off there towards the end of the year. Teetered off what he said. I don't know if that word just petered out. Petered out, something like that. But at one point, he was second to Rom

in these rankings in terms of like Stroke's game. Like the dudes that are getting out of all the dudes in the world that he's been the second best that getting the ball in the hole this year. Besides the dudes. Yeah, but exactly who can get any kind of ball and any kind of hole? No, who did not put it in get any kind of ball and any kind of hole today the rib the rib Roy McElroy sad

sadrory it was a Mad Roy Mad Roy Mad Roy The shot on was at 15 or 16 15 15. The little wedge that is basically gonna land, you know, a foot and a half behind the hole and probably one hop and stop instead clanks off the flag, so it bounces back in the bunker if like an impossible bunker shot. Not that that's why he lost. I mean, he got completely run down by Moore Coward.

Where'd he bogey like three to last four? Something like that. European tour, there's scoreboard, scorecard does not collapse anymore. I'm kind of confused on how to get into his whole by hole here, but think you bogey three to last four. Not tough. It's not gonna get it done.

And then was photographed after the round on his phone inside the clubhouse with his shirt ripped from the collar all the way down to his nipple. I don't know if this is a shout out to Harry Higgs of any kind or if this is the new Nike style which one Twitter user has suggested and apparently he snapped a club today too. Like this is kind of out of character for Roy and I don't know if I'm kind of laughing about it, but I'm kind of like dude that seems seems I don't know if mis'm kind of laughing about it, but I'm kind of like, dude, that seems, seems, I don't know if misplaced is the word.

Like you just won the CJ Cup. I had it, otherwise great week this week. And it kind of makes me wonder about, does Rory feel at this point in his career, it's win or bust, and anything else is gonna be incredibly frustrating. If that is the case, man, that is not a great way to go about week to week if you're asking me.

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. That's a good point. It's, as always, I mean, I am psychoanalyzing and totally guessing. Retweets do not equal endorsements here, but from the outside looking in, man, it just seems like there's a lot on the mind, right? And I think you saw that at the Ryder Cup.

I think there was, it just seems like Rory goes through a lot of very understandably, like a lot of very extreme highs and lows. And that kind of felt like what we saw today. You know, the passion, I think, I think we all, it's such a fine line. I think we've all been begging to see more passion fire from Rory. And so, I can't fault him for ripping a shirt or throwing a club. I mean, I think in the broader context, it's probably win or it doesn't really matter, right? For Rory, that's just how good he's been. And

it's maybe unfair, not, you know, it's tough for him. But I think historically speaking, you know, a tie for second and a tie for third here, they're like, yeah, I didn't really do much. It's, it's how many wins can he amass? The only thing I say is like, is that how good he's been or is that how good he was? You know what I also like to. But I wonder if it's getting to a boiling point of... He didn't break a club today. That was Rex Hoggard's tweet,

was referring to a club that he has previously seen. I was confused. I had it locked and loaded, almost the super bad gif. That was like eight years ago, asshole. He could all forget. But yeah, it's like, all right, come on. These are fairly isolated incidents with the Raid. years ago asshole people over again, but yeah, it's like, all right, come on, these are fairly isolated incidents with with the rim. I don't know that we really need to be

referring to him hucking the club in the the derailleur lake in like 2016. I don't know if that had a huge impact on today. This guy, this guy, you know, this guy got some run there on the social media. The shout out, I got a, you know, you're not going to like it. I got to give a huge shout out to tour miss Get there. Nobody nobody gets in solid ass like tour miss on Twitter Just constantly farting out of her not being on site and in person. It's the absolute best So I was so chuffed chuffed to see that tweak get them get some run Your response any response would take me like 30 minutes to explain. It is true. It's unprecedented amount of ascending from from

from TORBIS. God, just search it. It's awesome. Awesome. Constantly blown up solid. She's not even here. When when we broke the the Rory Trump story in 2017, we're also a little bit of fun on Twitter. We did like a fake tweet from Trump calling us fake news. And she thought that was real. And also ran with that. That's what we were kind of dealing with from from tour miss here. Listen, sure, she should get them wrong every now and again.

You know, you got to be judged by every 10 years. We get a nipple pick it It's a volume game exactly The rsm classic. Do we honestly to Taylor Gucci? Fine young player good friend of a friend of the program Max Homas who's been raving about Taylor Gucci for quite some time truly Yeah, ask him today, just kind of what, what do you like about his game, what impresses you most? He was just effusive in his praise of Taylor,

the way he ball strikes it, the way he plays in the wind, which I guess obviously makes sense for him winning this week in Sea Island. But yeah, Max, a world class ball strike earned his own right. It's a true game-recognized game situation. So he's kind of been telling us that for about a year, 18 months, like striker in his own right. It's it's a true game recognized game situation. So I he's kind of been telling us that for about a year, 18 months. Like, hey, it's only only matter of time for Taylor.

And he got one today. Can't say I watched it, but I'm happy for him. His first ever PGA tour. And I respect that. His first ever PGA tour win, which is that's fun. Good for him. Max, honestly, Max makes him sound like a young Tony Fiena. No, we know he was like, come on, we can abuse it.

You have to try, like, just have to squeeze it in there. And even when it doesn't apply, like, you're hurting your own stock here. No, the same stuff Max says about Tony Fee now. He said about Taylor Gucci. I honestly, I would like to see you here, Max say something, even privately, something bad about somebody. Well, he also does that. We're just not allowed to say it. I went up to the vision.

Another thread. You're not on. Randy, a lot of stuff about you. Tyler McCumber also almost shot 59 today. He had a wedge in the nine did not stick it close. Shot a shot of final round 60. Danny McCarthy. It's cool, man. Really cool.

Danny McCarthy in the wind and the shit yesterday, Lipped out his second shot into 18 to shoot 28 and then ran it one over the edge. Actually, what did he shoot? I think he shot 29 actually on the front. He Lipped out his shot for 27 and then ran his birdie on the edge and then finished with a 29 on the front nine Yesterday, I was out I would accident I went out to follow Kyle Stanley and Joel Damon and I stumbled upon that group And he like had played his way into fifth place on the other side of the golf course that was that was pretty interesting

29 36 tough Conditions out there. We spent more time in the car going there and back than we did actually on site because it was not that pleasant. But I don't know if it's worth getting into. What you guys have thoughts on the RSM from a macro perspective? It is, well, it's a, it typifies the fall series for me. It's like very optional. If you want to watch, watch, there's nothing there that's like, yeah, you're missing out big time on this one. We've got, we've gone up there, my wife and I've gone up there on like a Saturday in the fall when it's been nice and sunny. And it's, it's beautiful scene out there. It's a great

laid-back event. It's, it's kind of like a diet version of the RBC heritage at Hilton Head, I think, just like the beach five, kind of the marsh and, you know, very, very laid back crew. There's no need for much crowd control or anything like that. Kind of a hybrid between a corn fairy field and a regular field at some rookies, some young guys if you want to go see them out there. I think this year, the way it shook out with, you know, the field was one of their weaker ones probably and a bunch of people got cut that were maybe they were counting on being around for the weekend or like most of the guys I have started my app missed the cut this week, which that was tough, but coincident.

Yeah, it, I don't know. It, it's not much of a, this is the last FedEx cup full FedEx cup point event of the year and it does not necessarily end with a bang or send you off into the the break with a bang. But I enjoy I enjoy going. I think it's an interesting tournament. I think what I have a hard time squaring in my head is I agree with everything you just said.

I've been to this tournament. I don't know six times seven times. Always really enjoy being there. Everybody who's on site is having a blast. When the weather's good, it is sometimes very blustery and cold like it was this week, but it's really hard to square the like, yeah, it's totally optional watching it or don't.

I don't care with the fact that it's like a full FedEx cup event, right? And that's from a fan perspective, I think it's just, there's a dissonance there. It's kind of hard to Hard to square those two things of like well, am I supposed to care about it or am I not supposed to care about it? You can't tell me Every single one of these events is is kind of like the same, right? You can't tell me this is the same as as a colonial or the same as a farmer's the same as you know, I know Bay Hill and Memorial and Rive and are slightly elevated and all

it's just, I don't know if this gets us into kind of PGL territory to talk about some of that stuff, but it's, it just feels, I don't know, just there's a dissonance I think is the word that I'm, I'm keep coming back to just doesn't, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And I think there's a, I don't know if this is substantiated or has been reported anywhere, but it sounds like there's some rumblings of whether or not these fall events are going to continue to have FedEx Cup points and whether that is a, you know, what that means and what that might be paving the way for and all these things. It's just, kind of just feels like a thing that we keep just, it's an erector

set that we just keep bolting on more and more parts to. And it keep just, it's an erector set that we just keep bolting on more and more parts to. And it's just getting really hard to see the big picture, I guess, is how I feel. This having the same FedEx Cuppoint of points as Memorial and Riv is tough. It's slightly different. Those are 550. Are they 550? Yeah, okay. Well, but if you can explain to me the difference between 550 and 500, I don't know that there's a ton of casual fans out there who are really grasping that nuance. It seems like 10% more. So I may call it a handout, which we may get to that a little bit later on. But so the

strength of field this week at the RSM was 249 strength of field of the DP World Tour Championship 282. Not that far off for their championship versus a small, a small little PGA tour get together, if you will. But I think at some change to the fall series would benefit a lot of people. I don't think it needs to be a PGL. The PGL conversation I think is different to say like, hey, let's do a fall sprint series. Let's just do a, people can play as much as they want, go for a $2 million bonus at the end of the fall series or it can mean you're fully exempt for an extra year or something to win that fall title,

give, you know, dangle something, but give that, I know, as soon as I say this, it's like, well shit, this kind of screws the big, the events there. It's like, give some of the big guys a chance to take some time off if they want it. Well, that's the, yeah, this is the thing that it, it clicked this week because I was, we were talking to somebody and I was kind of embarrassed.

I'd never thought about it this way, but for, you know, the last 20 years of watching golf, I think I would have heard what you just said and screamed like off season, off season, off season. This makes no sense. Shut it down. And when you really look at like the full landscape and this idea of where the weather's nice and, you know, how some of those places tend to have millions and

10 millions of of tens of millions of dollars to throw around for silly season golf events. It's like, yeah, maybe I guess the PJ tour can't really just create a vacuum, you know, and just say like, oh, yeah, we're just gonna take three months off and Yeah, we assume all these players are dying for three months off and they surely won't go play around the world for all these exorbitant appearance fees and help those places build up, you know, what they're trying to build. So I had never really thought about it that way and that You have a tour like I'm not gonna say can't take an off season But it would be like fairly debilitating to it especially when you have this Saudi golf league trying to start up like maybe that's like guys are going to go play right like we've seen that in Over the last few years like guys guys will go play for the right amount of money, and so it's almost a

Wacomal game of just like not allowing those those chances. It's it a whack-a-mole game of just like not allowing those chances. It's got it. Very weird. It's a very weird situation. Sounds like we might need a two-tier system. I don't know, man. Shall we get into that? Sure.

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I hope if you are listening to this show that you listen to at least the majority of that, if not all of that. And we said, we tried to separate out. we tried to, you know, before the interview tried to introduce Andy a little bit and talk a little bit about what you're going to hear, but tried to limit what our kind of reaction and take away is where from the interview and said we'd do that here on Sunday's show. And here we are.

It's time. Randy, I'll start with you. What's your reaction to this? Because I don't really think I fully know where you stand on all these developments. You know, if we can call them that. Can we call them that? So I have a very important question to ask. What did the Indie say on the podcast?

No, well, do you want my real reaction or do you want me to be a good sport? I want you, God, I'm gonna regret this. I want your real reaction. I don't care. It ever happens. It's going to happen. And just I'll figure it out then. It's kind of exhausting to me. Too many moving pieces. I just, I don't, it's hard for me to truly muster the effort to care because I just don't. So that's kind of my unvarnished opinion.

It's like the Stephen A Smith reaction videos, we don't care. Let me just say this right here, we don't care. Do you get it? I potentially care, but it just feels, my thing is it just all feels, it might not be far away, but it just, to me, it feels far away. We're so early in this. It's just like, man, just wake me up in like five years when something either

does change or doesn't change. I think that's fair. That's fair. I get that. I'm sure a lot of fans probably feel the same way. Why are we talking about this now? It's not happening, which is fair. I totally agree. A lot of directions. We can go many different. I don't know what my gut reaction was. I think it was good to hear everything spelled out. I think it still have a lot of questions, I guess, or a lot of it ended up, again, if you want my full unvarnished take on it, what I kind of ended up feeling was, and this honestly might have even changed since then, but it was more of like a, I felt like this saudi stuff almost felt

like a bigger threat than the PGL. And by that, I mean, it felt very, it felt like a massive, massive, massive mountain decline for the players to rally together and blow up the existing structure. It was my big takeaway. And I think you asked Andy about that, like, what happens if the PJ Tour just either says no or the players don't keep behind this? And I think his answer was either it was kind of both. On one hand, it was like if the PJ Tour wanted to just ignore us and do this themselves, then like good on them, go for it. And which more on that in a minute. But I think the other answer was, you know, if the PJ Tour says thanks, but no thanks,

I would have to assume that, you know, they would be pretty comfortable going back to there. Okay, we're going to try to poach the biggest guys model, which I would think puts them pretty significantly behind the Saudi stuff if that's what they're doing now. Right, if that's what we assume they're doing now. That all makes sense? It does, and it was a lengthy answer, and again, a reason why that podcast had to be as long as it was, and we didn't even get to everything, right?

There's still a ton of questions on where the events would be, how the ownership elements really work. In my opinion, with the amount of time we spent on it, I was very much of the case of like, we've probably overwhelmed people enough as it is and diving in on the specifics of the events and how the ownership and how relegation work are all details that he can give you like an idea of what that's going to look like, but details that needed would have to be ironed out. Right? And as of right now, the, I guess the, I don't know if the purpose of that from their perspective is to like get this information out there and get players talking about it or get awareness, like they have tried to get in touch with the PGA tour to, you know,

present this to them and figure out a way for it to work together, which is a quick pause in that. If, I mean, again, you mentioned this on the pod, but like if you are the PGA tour, like, what? I don't want to paint this as like, what the fuck, like, why is the tour not responded? Like, of course, the tour hasn't responded, right? Like imagine if someone was constantly sending us emails,

like, hey, I'd love to come in and like blow up your business. Like, I know everything's been going great, but like, please, I have this model, you have to listen to me. And like, yeah, I don't think we'd fucking respond to them either, right? Like, I get that they're supposed to be acting in the best interests of the members and that's where I'm at. So on a macro level, I get it.

But on a very like cynical realistic level, I'm like, yeah, dude, like, of course they're not responding. Which brings into question, if I'm a player on the PGA tour, it brings so much of the structure of the tour into question, right? Because if this proposal's out there and if let's just, let's take their, you know, their word as gospel for here, if there's $9 billion being left on the table,

half of which would be owned by PGA tour members. And the PGA tour executive branch would not hear them out on that. Like that would be a big, big issue for me, if I'm a tour player. And of course, like maybe if you're a tour player who took the time to dig in and understand what's going on, which is again, very cynical view for me, but I, I'm skeptical that that's going to happen.

You know what I'm saying? Like I, I just, it's, it's a really big barrier, I think, to get everybody rowing in the same direction on an issue that takes two and a half hours to spell out on a podcast. I don't disagree. I think that that podcast was a big step in that. I do too. I totally agree. And I think there's there is a way to do it if the right people are, I don't know, man,

it's. I was joking before we came on like it. I mean, it seems like my very exceedingly limited knowledge of things like this. I mean, it seems like they basically would need to stage like a hostile takeover of the PJ tour, right? Like they would need to essentially have the players vote to say we need this Andy guy in charge

rather than trusting the PJ tour to do something similar themselves, right? And I know there are limitations on what the tour can do based on its structure and how they can, whether they can divide things out and kind of make like a two tiered unequal system. I know there are limitations and he did a good job of explaining a lot of that stuff.

But again, I'm not saying it's not gonna happen. I'm not saying there aren't things moving behind the scenes still and I'm sure there's a billion things I still don't either get or know that are that are shaking behind the scenes. But it does seem like they would have to at some point when push comes to shove, it seems like the PGL's way forward would be for the majority of PJ tour players to say we want this guy instead of J, right, which seems like a big boulder to push up the hill. I totally agree with that. I don't really know what's gonna happen.

I don't either. And that's putting aside all of my fan side of this because if I'm a fan, I'm so locked up with everything he spelled out. And that's what I do wanna see. And I do think it's a better format. And I do think it'd be good to have a different media format. And I do think it'd be good to have a different media structure.

And I do think it'd be good to have all of, like, to have a two-tiered system that you can check into, you know, which event you want to watch and know who's going to play on a given week and know what the schedule's going to be and all of those things. Like, I'm so all in on all that. I'm just trying to couch my expectations

because what it seems like is from the outside looking in and watching golf like pretty closely the last, you know, 10-15 years, I worry pretty deeply that what's gonna end up shaking out is just like the worst possible version of this idea that the PJ tour stands up on their own and we already saw that kind of possible version of this idea that the PJ tour stands up on their own. And we already saw that kind of hinted at with the with Aiman Lynch's reporting and now kind of these rumbles about whether FedEx cut points are going away in the fall.

Does that clear the way for kind of this ramped up PJ tour, not WGC's, but kind of WGC's kind of cash redistribution thing? It seems like if the tour can stand that up and say like, no, no, no, no, like I hear you, like, here's what we're doing instead. Like we're, no, no, trust me. We're like, we're fixing all the issues over here. I wonder if the players will be placated by that or or appeased by that, or if they would still ride hard enough to say, like, no, let's blow the whole thing up. I think we can guarantee that anything that tour does in response to this does not address where many people are coming at this from a fan perspective, right?

They're answered to this might be to solve some of the money questions related to this, getting top players money. You know, here we're doing this. We're doing this pip. We're adding money to the players. We're adding a bunch of purse money in these spots, blah, blah, blah. I totally get all that, but at no point is that addressed making this any more fun to follow or watch or root for it as a fan.

So, and I'm aware that this, what I'm, the numbers I'm going to give you don't add up to 100% on this because I'm like 80% in the bucket of like, well, of course, it's better for fans, it's better for top players, better for second tier players. It's going to bring more value to the game. It makes it easier to follow. Like, of course, all of this makes sense. And at the same time, like, well, yeah, of course, they're not going to do it. I'm 80% in that bucket to it. It adds up to 160. Like, both of them are so obvious. That's exactly how I feel. Right. It's so obvious that it should happen. And so obvious that it probably can't, that I am so at odds with all of it. Cause every time I talk to somebody

that it's close to being involved in this project, it's like, oh yeah, like I'm kind of struggling to poke the holes in how this wouldn't be a lot more interesting as a fan. Have you figured out all of the stuff behind the scenes to make it work for everyone and make it better for everyone? That's on you and I don't know that. It sounds like you have,

but you got to convince everyone that's the case. That's a big that. It sounds like you have, but you have to convince everyone that's the case, that's a big hurdle. But gosh, as a fan in the room, I am just like two hands. I guess somebody that went to the RSM this past weekend, like waving hands in the air, like this is unsubscribe me from your list. Look at this answer right here. Like don't want to receive these emails anymore.

Again, Formula One, I know people are tired of it, but Formula One has like what, 23 events in the calendar? Guess how much the, they're gonna be, there's gonna be 18 PGL events plus four majors. That's pretty much their year, right? And like every time they're off for a weekend, I'm excited to get back into the next one. And it just seems like making 18 Super Bowls,

like Andy said, is so much better for fans than making 48 stroke play events. Yeah, or whatever it is 48 Jags Titans game. So for what okay, so the like timeline on this it again, it seems pretty obvious of like all right I have tried now it's time for us to get the message out there and hope that this podcast this interview gets to golfers on the PJGA tour and gets agents of players talking like how the the footing they got off on with, you know, having 5% Saudi investment to start with and trying to poach players and just honestly kind of coming off

as the evil empire from the beginning hurt them so much and that so many people haven't even bothered to listen. I mean, some of the most key people have said I I'm out on all this, don't want to hear anymore. And again, it takes two and a half hours to kind of get through not even all of what you need to cover with it. Getting that out into the world and circulating is, I don't want to say it's a game changer,

but that is, that was the next step in the process, right? And Andy specifically laid it out. You know, we've gone away from the coaching model. Here's the reason why I chicken a neck problem, so many problems leaving behind the 169th player in the world with something that a lot of top players are not comfortable with. So now if you follow the model of, all right, well, let's get, let's get a vote on it. Let's get all tour players to have their say on this. And if, you know, people in the second tier don't want to do it.

Now the top tier can look and say like, hey, I don't have this moral issue anymore. And again, that steps down in the line in the process and they could maybe revisit the poaching model. And now we're just at step three of 678 steps that have to happen for this thing to happen. But do you guys understand that where I'm coming? I feel like I'm really entering the conversation. Well listen, listen big, some people, this is being thrust upon you. You're like I'm really during the conversation. Well, listen, where it's just like, listen, big. Some people, you know, this is being thrust

upon you, you know, you're, you're a member of the fake news media. You need to jump in and figure out what's going on. Suspice, shit out. Sally, I'm so, I'm so bummed you haven't gotten to the current season of succession yet. Oh, you'll split for me. Any. Well, I want to say, I just want to make sure all these players are, are drinking their cranberry juice. That's all, that's all of of it is that make sure they're of sound mind or they're going into these shareholder votes. You feel me think I got you. I got you.

Yeah, I just feel like, you know, to piggyback on like, you know, we've, we've intimated that PGA tour purses are going to increase next year. It just seems like nothing drastic is going to happen until it has to happen. And with money continuing to go up, I just don't see the environment to bring on like a radical shift in how like PGA tour golf operates. It just doesn't make sense for me. It's a conservative organization. Nothing about them would scream like proactive. Let's make a bold move for the viewers. Like it just, none of it makes sense to me. But what if a little bit of that power is taken out of the organizers

hands and into the players hands? Well, and I think there are cynical reasons to be positive about players riding for too. If the models to be believed in and what Andy says, I mean, it is a significant increase for everybody, right? I mean, there is, there are financial motivators. I think the tour can probably paint a pretty compelling picture as far as like what they're currently providing to players. I mean, I think they can, you mentioned a lot of this stuff earlier, solid but like with the PIP stuff, the Comcast business top 10 stuff, the FedEx Cup bonuses,

the A on the, and I'm gonna name them all just to illustrate how many of them there actually are, but the Play 15 thing, you get 50 grand, if you play 15 events, there's, uh, what else? I feel like I'm forgetting some effect. There are more. But the point of all this is like, there are a ton, like those aren't implemented as, hey, we think fans are going to really enjoy following this race. They're implemented as like, Oh, thank

God, there's another 17 million. We can get right up there to the top players. Oh, thank God. Okay. There's another 17 million. We can get right out of there to the top players. Oh, thank God. Okay. There's another 5 million out the door. Great. Like, they're just all cash redistribution systems, right? And I guess my point on the PJ tour side is like, I don't know how many of those you can just keep bolting onto the erector set until it just

all becomes like so unrecognizable, which feels like a point we're approaching. I mean, I think everybody who follows the game really, really closely can tell you it really feels like something's going to happen. I still am with you in the 160 percent. So I mean, that like, I just don't know what that is. I don't know what that's going to be. And I think the conversation changes when you have top players where you say, hey, 48 of you for 20 mil. Like you're talking about tacking on a ton of money, being the answer to any questions the tour has, right? What if we can give you the thing you love the most about the

PGA tour, the dear top player? What if we gave you more of that even? And you are guaranteed money and you play less. How does that sound? Yeah. Like, take a vote on that. Like start, if you get, again, if you lay the facts out, there is a, right now I'm sure you could, you could tell me the, probably the financial term for like, what's already in motion is super convenient, right?

I mean, status quo, whatever that would be, like staying on that train would be super convenient for so many people, but if you laid out, playing one and playing two, and if you were starting right now, like, what would people be more inclined to take? Yeah, no, I know. So how do you get to that, I clear that hurdle,

I have no freaking idea. I don't know if it can be cleared. I don't, I totally don't see a way that doesn't, like the tour doesn't say, like, we'll do this ourselves. I don't know what the PGL owns that they could sell in quotes to the PGA tour. Well, I think they would sell the idea

of basically being a separate entity, right? Like I think that's, yeah. I think the tour being a 501 C6, I think they would struggle to create this model where like people benefit it from it so despairingly. Like there's such a big disparity in how they benefit from it, rightingly. Like, there's such a big disparity in how they benefit from it, right? Like, not based on performance.

Isn't that the issue? Essentially, I don't know. That's where I get so out over my skis, like trying to both figure all this shit out and also like being an idiot is a tough combo. But what I was gonna say is to circle it all the way back to the first thing I said, like you have all this shit going on in somewhere, right?

And then add to that the third option of like, hey man, we'll give you like $100 million over three years to come play. Like that's a lot easier to understand to me. And that's where I'm more like, oh shit, I wonder if you guys are just gonna do that. But this is where talking about the Saudi stuff. The third player in this is what makes, let's call, we'll call PGA tour player, player number one, strongest player in the game right now. We'll call the Saudis player two, second strongest in the field,

and PGL number three. And it's kind of like having three presidential, three presidential candidates, right? But one presidential candidate dropping out of being separate and aligning themselves with one would make that presidential candidate stronger against the other, right? So if let's just say Saudis has fired up 40% interest or whatever that is, combining PGL

and PGA tour. All of a sudden makes a lot of sense to go fight off the evil empire. Yeah, counterpoint as someone who's voted for a lot of losing issues. It's also very hard to just get people to vote for common sense ideas. I do as a risky kind of all that. I'm with you, but you know what I'm saying? There's no doubt in my mind that if you can spell all that out like it's going to make sense to people,

but they're going to still be like, eh, yeah, I don't know, man, but like my pensions here and like I know the schedule and like the guy who runs like the San Diego events really cool. And like I just I'd rather just keep it out is which of those two forces is stronger is going to be super interesting to watch. And and of course, like it is it's difficult for us to discuss because of course we know more than we are allowed to say, but can definitively say since the podcast went out that there are things that are there's been developments. There's things that are happening.

New shit has come to light. New shit has come to light. There's a light of new evidence. The cold case has been re-opened. Of course, a lot of you weren't privy to all this new shit. So yeah, if you can't tell there's a reason why we talk about this so much. One, it's because we're super interested in potentially happening. And two, this way more interested to talk about than the other subclassic was.

But, right, well, if you're voting member, what are you voting for? Somebody asked me this. I was having coffee with a friend and they're like, well, I was ranting like a fucking lunatic about all this stuff and trying to suss it all out. And they're like, well, what do you want to happen? What are you rooting for? And I was kind of like stopped in my tracks, like, huh, yeah, I don't, I don't,

and let me get back to you on that. I gotta think it through. I mean, it's pretty easy to answer, which I think we're going to get. I think we're going to get the chaos. I'm scared we're going to get the worst case scenario, which is the, well, we'll kind of piece me on some of these ideas together, make a shitty team series

that's guaranteed money and just be half-ass. And it's not, this is not a half-ass thing. Yeah. And I think there's a lot of precedent, like Andy did a great job of laying a lot of this out and going through and reading all this stuff too. Rainy, sorry, I know I asked you a question and then totally cut you off.

No, that's all right. But there is a lot of historical cycling going on, it seems like there's a lot of, you know, we've been here before and on one hand, there have been some breakaways when that's happened, you know, like the original PGA of America PGA tour split is a precedent, like Andy did a good job of explaining all that, but we've also seen the PGA tour

just kind of like fight off a lot of these threats, right? And we've seen a lot of that with the coup that he talked about in 1983. We saw it with the WGC's. We've seen it with the FedEx cup. We've seen it with like all these, all these different things. And so it's, uh, it's kind of like which, which precedent do you want to, uh, believe is going to be the one to, uh, to rely on? Randy, what are you rooting for?

Was a fan. I think leave the majors alone. Uh. I still want to see them play at Riviera. And other than that, I'm for any change that makes professional golf more interesting. I think the week to week stroke play is just maybe not the greatest formula. So I'd be all four of Shake Up from a fans perspective. I think what I just get stuck on is, you know, if this PGL idea is so great, the PGA is just going to take it and use it, which to your earlier point, like Andy seemed to be okay with, but I, that's where I have a little bit of a hard time.

It's like, oh my gosh, it's such a good idea. Well, it's like, well, if it is that good, an idea of the PJ will just take it and run with it. I don't, I always struggle with like what the PGL as an entity like brings. And that's where. It's the most powerful thing in the world, right? It's an idea.

I think the best chance for the PGL to happen is again to follow this step where it's the most powerful thing in the world, right? It's an idea. I think the best chance for the PGL to happen is again to follow this step where it's like, we came back to the table, we tried to work with you, we brought it to a vote, you didn't want to. All right, now it's like top players, let's revisit this. Do you want, we'll revisit the chicken and egg problem? Do you want to take a leap and come do this over here? Because we're going to put up 20 million bucks a week

and co-crack might come. I'm like, so hey, Capca, do you want to come do this? JT, do you want to come do this over here because we're gonna put up 20 million bucks a week and co-crack might come. I'm like, so hey, Capca, do you wanna come do this? JT, do you wanna come do this? Rory, Tiger, Phil, do you guys wanna come do this? Cause we're gonna put up the money, we got the money, and we gave, you can take, I mean, I'm sure you can find out who voted yes for it, right? If it does get to a vote, take the guys to vote yes and back, all right, come on.

We're gonna come do this. Yeah. What, this is gonna come do this. Yeah. What, this is not a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely curious what you guys think. What about the status quo, like the current day, PJ Tories is worth preserving in your mind. But what do you, what do you love about it? What would you want to see kept?

And while you're thinking, I'm happy to, I mean, I like the players. I think it's an amazing tournament You know living in Jacksonville especially we maybe get a little tired of the commercials I guess live in anywhere you break a little tired of the commercial. You love the song still great. Oh the song the theme song slaps I'll always I've always loved the memorial Riviera is one of my favorites, but like yeah, there's nothing that There's nothing that it's always situational right? It's like all right We got spethen got speed and read going head to head this weekend.

Like, I got to make sure I tune in for that. Like, they could do that at the Honda. Yeah. And I know speed doesn't play the Honda, whatever. But like, if they, it doesn't matter what term, that is, I'll tune in to watch that, right? It's, that's situational stuff. And the idea would be, you get more of these head to head matchups, these storylines that build out and play out right in front of us.

Like, how freaking rare was Tiger vs. Phil in a real showdown over the course of 25 years? Three times. Right. And so like actually kind of manipulating a little bit so it's more likely to happen and just keeping my attention for, you know, you're just going to keep people for longer, right? You get a little worn out by like,

maybe this will come down to, you know, something really exciting at the end and it often doesn't. I don't know. What do you think? I think the, this is a bad answer, but I'll explain why. I think the relegation aspect of it is something that's supposed to be great.

The whole like, you've lost your card, it's supposed to be an awesome part of the year and has just become unrecognizable over the last 15 years, with you know, whether it's giving out more cards, whether it's the amount of money that people who keep their card like still end up making. It's just, it's painted as this complete like storybook, win or go home thing and it's just, it's painted as this complete, like storybook, Win or Go Home thing, and it's just, it's pretty false.

It's great on the corn fairy tour, but I think a change on the PGL would bring a lot more of that, which would be great. I like the, I don't know, I mean, this is kind of a cheese dick answer, but I like the community aspect of it. I love the places like Moline. I love like the, you know, that has hosted the John Deere for a really long time and the people who host that and who put up, you know, the host organizations that put up these tournaments. I think it's something that makes the PJ Tour like very unique and very, very cool. I think that would go away, but, you know, also kind of not,

and that's the whole other thing, is I do struggle. I'm sure Andy would be able to explain this, but how his model works, but I do struggle a little bit with the whole, no, no, no, there's gonna be a massive thing that everybody's gonna watch over here, but also like the rest of the PJ Tours stays exactly the same. I don't get how that works from like a media standpoint. I know I would not be interested in watching those events.

Yeah, like how often do you want to watch like just week to week corn fairy stuff? Yeah, like that's what it would become I think. So I do struggle with that a little bit. I think it'd be very awesome to watch as the, you know, as the year winds down, like who's going to get promoted to the PGL? I think would be fascinating. That would be really cool, but I don't get how like a year-long media deal works for all those kind of like left behind guys. The guys from 50 to 200.

I don't totally get how that would work. His part of the top 48 guys already winning 55- 60% of the of the purse anyways. And so you having a remainder purse for that group, how that makes, you know, somewhat sense. And also combining that with the European tour now becoming the DP World Tour, getting a reupt, you know, a sponsorship and some structure in place from the next several years goes to show like that, that tour does not have the top players in the world on it. And there's money available to be played for for those guys. Totally fan interest. I think is so fan interest is already a problem, right? So you I'm not going to sit here and say like, hey, next tier of PJ tour golf is going to be super interesting to fans, but that's already a problem. So that's what I was going to say.

We were kind of joking about this earlier in the week. Like we've alluded to this a number of times. It sounds like it's going to be announced this week that a bunch of a bunch of purses are going to go up and, you know, pretty exorbitantly. And it is crazy to just think about like doing all of that for these events that are going to get like a 0.6 rating or something like that. It's just it is it does make you scratch your head. So yeah, maybe it's truly like doesn't matter. And if there's money to go around, it doesn't matter. People are watching it or not. I don't get how that works. But maybe people smarter than me can explain that.

I can totally see it being again, I hate going back to Formula One yet again. But like you wouldn't, Formula One's so massive, right? The revenue's so massive that I believe to understand it to support Formula 2, Formula 3 and W series and all kinds of other parts of racing. And that makes total sense, but like do those and I don't know the answer. Do those have any kind of like media deal

or does anybody care? Like are these just going on and kind of like existing just to exist? I believe they do, like you can subscribe to the F1, whatever and watch it if you're a diehard fan and whatnot. But I think it's a little different, I know you know this obviously, but it is different having those spread across

18 whole golf courses all over the country. It's a lot different than just having your same cameras in place on a Wednesday instead of a Sunday, right? No, I agree. It's not simple, but it's also like, hey, this top thing is so big and does filter down to other levels that the idea being like, let's package this top level of this

in an entirely different way and see what we're able to do distribution-wise through the rest of the tour. And what's interesting is I think it does get back to what I've seen about the RSM where it's like, it does truly become like, yeah, man, the either either like watch it or don't like, I don't care. But rather than trying to be like, no, no, no, but it's like the same as, you know, these other big events that you love.

Now this is just as good. What are you talking about? This is great. Come on. At least that would go away, which would be nice. Josh Elliott. I don't know if this is the the glorious man. I don't know if this is Corusband is Josh.

Josh R Elliott, dream PGL course rotations, 18 events, 12 in the US six international. Well, so I think one thing he alluded to again, this is all very, very pie in the sky. And we're taking Andy's proposal at its word, which is comes with, you know, its own risks, I guess. But I think what he said in there is kind of like, you'd have the option to take some of the best PJ tour events and make them PGL events,

which are any to your point. I know you said you wanna watch Riviera. I don't know if you care about what the format is if you like watching it as a 100 and whatever it is now. I don't think it's underpriced. Having the best in the world at Riviera would be. Would watch it. Yeah, I mean, I think that undercuts a lot

of this discussion is at the end of the day, the most people just want to watch the best golfers in the biggest spots on the best courses. Like, that's why the majors are popular. Right. So as a fan, anything you can do to to coerce or manipulate so that the best players are playing against each other the most often. That's a win. So, yeah, sorry. Like, Riviera B and a PGL event would be sweet. I would love that.

What else would be on that list for you from the PGA tour? I mean, I think there should be a, obviously, I think a better balance of like visiting the world's great golf courses. Which sounds so cool. Like, making the Scottish and or the Irish, the Australian open like making those full on like part of a world tour. Sounds like would subscribe. Yeah. Like Abu Dhabi in Dubai do not get me excited.

Any of that. I mean, sand belt. Obviously, Real Melbourne was one of the best golf events. I've professional golf events I've ever watched that president's cup. So obviously, Quail Hollow, obviously need to be in the mix there as well, as a storied Bel Rive, of course, we need to get to. I don't think this tour becomes like,

let's do the cypress thing, let's do Pine Valley now. It's just made for television. Like I think these things would be even bigger. Normus spectacles, like think waste management on like steroids. Like I think that's what they're picturing with these in person sections of these events. Yeah. Like I almost, like maybe you have to build golf courses

even for them that have size, like amphitheater style seating like like waste management in more places. Like that's the only way to make golf really more exciting is to make it even more exciting in-person spectacle, right? That you're like, all right, I gotta go to one. I gotta go C1. Right. Which is where the, yeah, I'm not super duper wild

about the Shock and Start idea. I'm not necessarily there. But I get why they do it. And if you were a fan going to an event that had a big you know, encircled par three amphitheater, it would be a lot better than going to the Phoenix open now, which sucks when you show up at like 5 a.m. and nobody gets there until 9 30. I like the shotgun start maybe for the first two days. But one of the great things that PGA tour golf has going for it is the most exciting stretches the last five six holes. Right. And that got's worth usually worth tuning in for unless it's kind of a runaway. So still giving us that steady stream of guys finishing. Yeah. It's better than like,

all right, this puts for the way. No, this one's for the way. Like that, that's a little too much for me, I think. And I think, you know, Andy's laying out like what the current state planwise is for this. And that's again, why I didn't want to get into too much detail on the specifics of it because that is so far away from being ironed out, like legitimately getting in the door to be pursued is what the current state of this thing is. Yeah. I think he's got that stuff lined up here.

He can propose it. I just think that stuff is so susceptible to being tweaked and moved around. Just not being a breakaway league anymore. It's like the collaboration aspect is going to mean a lot of details are going to take a long time if it does get to that. Again, not to keep coming back to this, but the thing that kind of sits weird with me or leaves like a weird taste is this idea of how long that idea would take to come to fruition versus the Saudi like, well, here's a bunch of cash on the table, man.

Like I don't know. I don't know what they're talking about over there, but like here you go, here's $100 million. You can count it if you want. Does that force the PJ tour and PGL to speed things up? Don't know. So. Along the same lines, and PGL to speed things up? Don't know. So. Along the same lines, can we get to some Billy Horshield quotes from this week?

Sure. This is from the golf digest summary. He, I, it's hard to tell what the way they ordered this in the, in the, in the article, but I believe one of his quotes was referring to something about 90th on the money list and pull in a million plus dollars. And, and, and, and continued by by saying it does sound harsh. It sounds like I'm trying to maybe attack the guys lower on

tour, but I'm not, but I'm asking, are you doing everything you can to be the best player you can? If you aren't, we shouldn't just be giving handouts because you got your PGA tour card and you're not making as much of some other guys. We should make the tour more competitive. We would change the way the money pays out where the top 30, 40 guys get paid a lot of money and then you don't get paid as much down below. So it really pushes guys to do everything they can to be the best player they can be. Instead of giving out 125 cards a year, we cut down to 100. And if we cut down

the corn fairy cards from 50 to 30 and you make feels 120. Now you're getting the better players weekend and week out doing that takes care of any other tour that comes along to compete against the PGA tour or the European tour. There's a lot there. First of all, I don't disagree with some of it. I love it. I disagree with one big part that he's not ripping on the other guy. So tour or guys. So there is definitely a little bit of like getting to the mountaintop

and scramble to pull the ladder up behind you, which is interesting. I don't disagree about the number of cards because I think, you know, I think the only pushback to that would be like, oh, it's all these great stories when these guys get through and blah, blah, blah. I think that's a sliding scale and it's fairly arbitrary. I think wherever you draw the line, like there's going gonna be a line, right? So I think if it was only whatever you said, if it was only 100 cards instead of 125, I think it makes wind him pretty much the exact same, right?

If not even a little more interesting. Yeah, I don't know, man. I'm not sure. It definitely seems a little suspect or straw manny that anybody who's on the PJ tours not trying to be the best player in the world. That's of the PJ tour players that I've met. That's not the vibe that I get. But certainly he knows a lot more of them than I do. Yeah. Once I got to 125, I just stop working hard, man. Like I made it. I don't need to work hard out there. Yeah. It seems a little little straw manny, maybe. So what I don't get is how how all this math adds up, right?

Because like they had trouble, they have trouble filling field sometimes on the PGA tour, right? So I think his answer would also need to include cutting number of events, right? Because if you're going to have this many events, guys are still going to want to take starts off and you got to go down the line to fill it in with guys that have tour cards to have starts. Which I think it's back to again, the, you know, if you're the PJ tour, like is it really worth giving up a week on the calendar? Yeah. Is that a positive for you or a negative?

And I think my answer on that has changed a lot now that I've thought about it a little bit more. I don't know, man, I think the biggest thing of all this, like it's so complex and so fascinating to me. I know I keep staying that on the podcast, I've never done it on, this, it's so complex and so fascinating to me. I know I keep staying down in the podcast, I was telling them on, but it is by far the most interesting thing going on in the world of golf.

I could not give a shit less who won any of the last, I don't know, 10 events. Basically, anything going back to the British Open? I truly, A, couldn't tell you, and B, like really haven't cared. And that's been kind of refreshing, but this has got my gears turning. Friend of mine texted me and they were about the CJ Cup.

And I was like, I was like, oh yeah, that was like five weeks ago, like who, like who won that? I was like, oh yeah, it was my favorite player. Rory, yeah, that didn't stick with me at all. And that's just like, I don't get how that is a sustainable place to be. Randy, anything to add on the Horseshell front?

No, I kind of agree with them. I, for the reasons DJ laid out, I think tweaking the payout structure, making it more top heavy would be interesting. Lot of jokes, a lot of fun, you know, rugged, individualist, capitalist jokes you can make in there, which is also fun. That word handouts in there, just seems a little, it seems, it's painted. the most important thing is that you can do. You know, I'm not going to get the most important

thing. I'm not going to get the most important thing. I'm not going to get the most important thing. I'm not going to get the most important thing. I'm not going to get the most

important thing. I'm not going to get the most important important thing. I'm not going to get the most important important thing. I'm not going to get the most important important important important. I'm not going to get the most important

important important important. I'm not going to get the most important important important important. I'm not going to get the most important important important important important. I'm not going to get the most important important important important. I baseball is going to go through on this off season, a labor situation. This feels like golf going through a labor situation in real time, which I'm usually, my default is like, I don't care.

Just tell me when the games start again. But DJ to your point, I mean, it is interesting just because I think as a fan, I'm not sure if the product is in the best place. It can be week to week. So a lot of interesting thought experiments. I don't really have anything to add besides that, but I do think, you know, I don't certainly don't disagree with what Horseshoe is saying.

I think on, you kind of touched on something that crystallizes why this is so interesting for me, I think, and it's not necessarily like the structure and the playing opportunities and all the like mergers and acquisitions, like type stuff. I'm with you on that where it's like, dude, I'm an idiot and I don't get how this works. And so I guess just like tell me when we got something.

What really sticks out to me and I think the best justification I can make for why we keep talking about this is that the best players in the world over the last six, seven years have maybe or maybe not been sitting in rooms like semi secretly talking about whether or not to blow up the entire structure of professional golf. Right. And that to me is like, holy shit, man, we should talk about what's going on here. Like this is how is nobody else been talking about this for,

it's like seven years, that's unbelievable. And that continues to blow my mind. And so I think that's what's fueling a lot of my, like, man, I'm really interested to see how this goes because, Randy to your point, I'm probably very overzealous and thinking it's going to happen a lot sooner than it will. And it will probably be 15 years before anything actually takes place. But when that 15 year mark hits is pro golf going to look entirely, entirely different than it does now.

And maybe yes, maybe no, but it seems like there's a strong enough possibility in the yes column that it's at least worth discussing and trying to figure out what's going on. Can I make you at least one, just one guarantee? Sure. There's a 100% chance between now and the end of the year that there will be some, like there will be some,

something of interest will happen. Like there will be some development either way towards this before the end of the year. Well, so setting the, not necessarily maybe publicly known or whatnot, but it's not gonna be nothing. Well, I think just to set the listeners up a little bit like the next interesting thing that has to happen is the tours ruling on whether or not they're going to grant releases for the Saudi Arabia event.

That's not till January though. Right. So January 3rd or 4th or something, they have to, because it has to be before 30 days. Yeah. Or within 30 days prior to the event, they have to decide whether they're gonna grant players who they said they would not grant releases to go play in this event. They have to decide whether they're gonna stick to that

or they can stick to that. Legally, they can stop people from playing it. I think is a somewhat telling situation that at least seems like the next action step, right? That people can look at. I think there'll be something to always at a minimum. At a minimum. I'm not saying there's gonna be action from, right, that people can look at. I think there'll be something to always set it at a minimum. Totally separate from that.

I'm not saying there's going to be action from the tour, but there's going to be some developments on this front within the next couple of weeks, next several weeks and before the end of the year, I would venture to say. So, well, we'll keep you posted, maybe. Let's see what we can share. Randy, watch this space. Before there, I've watched.

Please watch this space. Before they're up. Watch this space. Golf news coming. On the F1 note, another interesting development. Lewis Hamilton wins in cutter, pulls within eight points of Max Verstappen. The Mercedes looks a little spicy this time of year. I don't know. I'm getting nervous.

It was a little bit of a, a little bit of a snoozer of a race, but yeah, fast and set up a fascinating end of the season. And I don't know enough about like how these engines actually work, but from, heard it's summarized basically of like, so it took a grid penalty last week to replace the engine. And like the engine they have in there is, you know, you're supposed, you know, ideally you would make it set up for whatever number 8,000 miles.

So it could last a lot of races, but with only a certain amount of miles remaining in the season, they can make it like, all right, no, this thing needs less is 3000. That's it. And that thing. So so last week Hamilton gets disqualified from the first qualifying before the sprint race starts in 20th for that and has taken a grid penalty for the for the engine gets fifth in the sprint race from 20th has to take the five places to go back to 10th and wins the race. It's about as handy cap as you could have possibly been for a race and he won it and then

pulled this weekend was like, okay, well, he's going to win the race again. And I don't know if Max can beat him and either of these last two. I mean, he looks totally unbeatable right now. Where do you know the last two? Saudi Arabia and we'll have one grand releases. Abu Dhabi. I think, right? I think it finishes an Abu Dhabi. But a literal race, race to the desert. The constructors is really tight too. I know. You know, that's, that's just five points between Mercedes and Red Bull. So both of us get a lot of nothing, a lot of drama at the top. Yeah. That hurt. As when you were saying that, Deja, about like, yeah, I don't know who won five weeks ago or even like last week, it's like, yeah, well, the sport

that entered our lives that we were not planning for, like, is what we care about who wins on Sundays. That's amazing. Yeah, they go, uh, this was, this was cut and they go Saudi Arabia than Abu Dhabi. So Saudi Arabia is, uh, not this weekend, but next weekend, and then it's right straight to Abu Dhabi from there. Saudi Arabia track is not finished yet. And they go there December 3rd. Rainier, are you going to the Saudi Arabia race?

Are you going to the TV? Well, it's trying to work out some travel stuff. But we'll see. I'm hoping to make it. Can I make a quick point? To drag from Denver to Riyadh? That's, yeah. Well, maybe I might go through Singapore just check out the airport.

Could I make one point on this actually as I went to cutter this past week? You know, a lot of people love to throw what about us and questions when it comes to like Saudi Arabia and the golf events and all that. Well, you're supporting for me the one that's going to all this. Like the literal difference is in what Lewis Hamilton said this week about cutter about how like, first of all, he wore a rainbow hat or a helmet this past week in kind of raising awareness for human rights issues in Qatar and basically called, you know, waved his hands and said, like, these countries need to be continued to be scrutinized for their human rights violations.

And like, pair that up against like Brooks Kepka's quotes about the breathtaking views of the Red Sea when he goes to Saudi Arabia. And that's the literal difference between the two of like getting money from a country to sing their praises versus like, yeah, he's getting money from the sport and competing in this country, but at the same time, like standing up for what he believes in. I think that's a no worthy difference that I just wanted to call attention to. I agree. Thank you. Big doesn't agree. It's nice. Well, no, I do.

There's a very interesting, perhaps sad, hopefully not tragic situation going on in women's tennis right now with China, in a Chinese player that accused a Chinese official of sexual assault, and they've censored her on social media. Nobody knows her whereabouts in the last couple of weeks in the WTA, the Women's 10 Association is taking a very strong stance against China. And to your point, a departure maybe from some other professional sports leagues.

So if anybody is wanting to see pro sports leagues V, some of these problematic countries. That's a story to keep an eye on as well. Interesting. All right, we have the match. What a way to end our golf course. Yeah, we have the match coming on Friday. You guys excited for this one?

Do you want to talk about the Brooks tweet about the video? The thing about being rent free? Yeah. Why wouldn't he be in Bryson's head? It's so bad. How does the social media for this thing get worse? That seemed like it would have to, there were so many designers that would have had to go into that.

So Brooks tweeted a thing about like, do you rent your own? I'd live rent free in Bryson's head and then there was just like, super elaborate graphic, super elaborate, that like zoomed in on his eye and like into his brain, but it was, it was his own head. He was like sitting on a beach,

it made no fucking sense at all. It was, it was the opposite of the point he was trying to make. And then it just matters. It's just like, yo, come on, man. Who's approving this stuff? What do we do? Yeah, never underestimate how bad social media reps are. Remember Alexi with the Soul Heim Cup?

Her social media had it played in the... Scott? Yeah. Yeah, and being in Scotland. I still go back to the unbelievable. You know, I don't know how you ever beat this. At Tiger Woods on August 22, 2018, it's on at Phil Mickelson. Mikkelson replied,

I bet you think this will be the easiest nine million you will ever make. Tiger reply, thank you. We'll earn some bragging rights. It's tough. It's tough. I don't know how they squashed, like how they were managed to squash like the the Bryson Brooks, like very real thing and make it like as commercial as possible. It's the speed at which they were able to do that. For me, actually caring about this to like, all right, I don't have it anymore. That was alarmingly fast.

Not to make a semi-serious, although maybe stupid point. I think we need to watch out with the PGL as well. I'm all for more drama, I'm all for better matchups, I'm all for all those things, but I'm all for more drama. I'm all for like better matchups and all for other things, but I'm not for manufacturing it because people, humans have proven they're not able to do that. They are not able to like drum up fake interest and make it real. It does. It has to be real. And so I am a little wary of some of the PGL, like playing God type stuff, trying to make rivalries that don't exist or any of those things.

You got to just have some restraint, let the things play out as they need to. I'm a little, we're watching that closely. When is golf ever let us down on that front? I mean, come on, I got a total faith. To be fair and balanced, if we're talking to social media, we need to also acknowledge as you, I would have hoped you would have held Andy's feet to the fire and how bad I did. I know, I didn't get to ask him about that.

I could have and should have. And it's not good. It's not great, but I think it's a good part of their story that is, they've not done a great job of telling, it's a metaphor. It is a bit of a metaphor, but all right, I'll be watching the match. I'll be tuning in.

Maybe not live, but I'll catch some match. We'll talk about it. 12 holes is better than 18 holes. I like a lot better. I like that. Yeah, I'll pop it on. We'll see what happens. We'll see what happens.

So Randy, have a wonderful Sunday out in the West. DeGio as well. Thanks everyone for tuning in. And we'll see you back here. Thanks, we'll see you. Cheers. Be the right club today. That's better than most.

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