No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 503: Hero World Challenge Recap

Episode Date: December 6, 2021

Collin Morikawa blows a five shot lead on Sunday in the Bahamas as Viktor Hovland survives some 72nd hole antics from Patrick Reed to win for the fifth time in his career. We recap the tournament and comments from Tiger about his recent accident and his future plans to compete on tour. We also dive into recent comments from various pros on golf in Saudi Arabia, the tour granting releases for the upcoming Saudi event, the upcoming ban on green reading books, Bryson's recent interview, the JupeLife photoshoot, and some F1 reaction as well.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. here. Hello, T.C. and good evening. Good evening. I'm we're guys and we're I'm a little bitchy tonight. Why are you weary? Like, wife's been out of town for three days in a row. I've been at home with the kiddos. It's been, it's been a lot. We got a lot to talk about. We are going to save, of course, the

Saudi Arabia Grand Prix. I've probably talked to him Saudi maybe before we get to the Saudi Arabia Grand Prix. We're going to talk to him here a world challenge. But first, probably the biggest airing of the week, if you will, the Big Randy Film Room. Presented by our friends at Callaway Golf, if you haven't seen it yet. For if you haven't seen the new film room series, we've been working on, you can find that on our YouTube channel.

Basically the concept is either we do a challenge or play in some way and then you come back into the studio to get John Grooton quarterback camp treatment with, you know, sometimes as kid gloves, sometimes it's harsh. Not, not, not the full John Groot. No, no, it's very politically correct, John Groot and treatment. But you could check that out on our YouTube channel. It is, of course, like as I mentioned, presented by our friends at Calloway Golf, we're going

to be doing a lot more of these into the future. This has been, uh, people have loved, loved doing these things, uh, or love watching them. We've loved doing them. Randy shot into eight is all time It's one of the best of it. He played he tries play Jackson plays Jackson Beach with only hybrids trying to break 90 Anna putter and a putter. Yes Um, and yeah, anything I would say in response to that would just kind of spoil something So go check it out if you haven't seen it already

He needs more hybrids like he needs to get a many people are saying five or six hybrids. Seven, nine. Yeah. I think, yeah, the full senior treatment is what Randy needs. Where do you guys want to start with the hero? Do you want to get right into our World Golf rankings debate? You want to start with Victor Holland? Victor Holland, I think. I think we got to start with more collar. Okay, sure. Because it looked like it was going to be a, just it was almost like waltz. I was prepping. I was prepping all the stats. I was ready for like, all right, here comes the leap. Like here comes what happened.

I don't know because it was all during the bone saw ground. He just hit one of the worst hooks from the fairway I've ever seen. First of all, but he's really weird visually like to try to figure out where guys are trying to hit it. But there was no mistaking that look at the pro chase, you made an error on whatever that three wood that he hit that almost went as like onto another hole, which is not that easy to do at Albinie.

I was ready to say, and I'm still ready to say this like more a cow is seems in over the last six months, his putting is getting the dangerously close to level in strokes gained. And like if that happens, it's, it's fucking over. Like it's over. Were there stats this week? There were not. Yeah, I was going to say, I'm like, are you privy to something? No, no, no, there was literally nothing. This is like, there's, there's nothing. There wasn't even like shot shot three hit from fairway or anything like that. More, how it does look prime to, to, to, I don't know, we've all been kind of like trying

to figure out like how to project his future when you just are swinging up a putter with a, I don't know, was putting with two hands around his neck as T.C. likes to say. I think we got it right though, like six, eight months ago, like even pre, pre-bredish open, we're like, hey, like his, his ball striking so good that his,

his putters eventually gonna get hot, like at least four or five times a year and he's going to win those weeks. But it seems like that that seems like the four years that 50th percent time is the roof at this. But I was just diving in it like his career to date and doing some numbers on it. And I messed it up now because he didn't win. I assumed he was going to win today. But he has like the most money earned per start out of any of the current pros.

I think Rory's got a melody didn't win today, but he's made basically not, before we even factor in, purse increases that are coming if he keeps on the current trajectory, which I think he could even better, he would get $100 million in 12 seasons from now. Like that's like Rib's career to date.

That's not that long. Like 12 seasons might sound like a lot, but it's not that far away, and that'd be a hundred million. I think he, to me, feels like, and this is not to be backhanded on anything you just said, but he feels like he's in that category of like that guy with, and the reason I say that is because when Rom goes and wins, like we say all the same shit, right?

And it's like, oh my God, he might right he's gonna win every single tournament. He plays It's like well more cow plays a lot of those events as well and and you know, Ram's not going away I think you know there's there's we saw when can't like it's hot We've seen there's a lot of those guys. Let us get caught up in the moment. Come on I'm just saying well, first of all, you didn't even win. I know It's a little five shot lead. That's even crazier, Sally, because quickly, we're five shall lead. When he came out in 2019, he was playing John Deere and Reno and Windom and Shriners and not big, persevents, either.

And he was starting to win already. Well, there's also won a lot of big, big fans. You win the WGC, a PGA, a GBA GBA GBA. He opened it. He lostAPANY, Open. Yeah. He lost in two playoffs too. Lost in Charles Schwabblow and the Memorial. Yeah. Just cleaning up with the workday.

Anyways, hoblin. Was it the world number one pressure? I think that's that's not nothing. I don't think that's it. I think that's not nothing. Definitely not nothing. Definitely. Weirdly today was, you know, it's December, what,

5th, 6th, whatever. And so listen, we're scraping for some storylines here, of course, but almost kind of endearing, I think, to see more of how we do this. I think he's been so, but I felt the same way about like the Schwab when he missed the short putt. It's like he's so polished, he's so like put together. There's no like chips.

It's gonna be boring if he wins all the time. Yeah, exactly. It's like, dude, there's gotta be some, you gonna be boring if you wins all the time. Yeah, exactly. It's like, dude, there's gotta be some, you want there to be some scarfish. So humanity there, right? You gotta see some ebbs and flows. I mean, that's why we like spief, that's why we like Rory, that's why we like,

all these guys, you gotta see that little bit of adversity, and not that blowing a lead Sunday at the Hero World Challenge is the same, it's not the 96 masters that we're talking about here, but it's not nothing, it's not the 96 masters that we're talking about here, but it's, it's not nothing. It's, it's, it's more context going forward. I think I, I struggled to marry like, don't really realize this, but like, Data Golf doesn't love him in the same way that like he, his results on course have exceeded like what his

normal week to week strokes gained is, right? He's not wrong on the golf course because his he peaks really well and he's not fina peaks really well. He's not as good as fina. You're right. Uh, he peaks really, really well. But like he doesn't get to like that plus two strokes gain number that you would expect like the top 10 players or whatnot to get to that. Cause it overs like it, it, it, it understates iron play and overstates driving? No, I think it's just as one is putting that bad to he doesn't hit it that far. So it's driving doesn't gain like some of the top top guys do.

But I think he also just, he has a lot of really negative putting, not putting around. So he has more negative strokes gain rounds than the top guys do. Now the thing is in professional golf, that doesn't matter that much. Like, you know, having a really high floor is not that important. If you have the most volatile and most peak weeks, which he does, if you go look at his page, like the rounds that he just goes and gains seven

and a half shots in a round, what he did in the world tournament, gained 7.3 and round one and gained, like 7.9 and round three, like that's, that's what you got to do in Pro golf. If you want to like win if you want to win and win the big money. So are you looking at the full data golf list? Yes. Where's he stack up with like Matayama? So more kawa is 10th in the world and over the last six months with one plus 1.6 and Hadecki

is way down the list and they don't have a number number next to it, but he's plus 1.08. So a half shot worse, but he's down the deck. He's down with Russell Henley, Camtron Galley, your boy, Aaron Wise, things like that. And I guess it's just more inconsistent. But I mean, the deck he's minus 0.68 putting, which is the worst of anyone in the top. Who are the guys? Who are the top five right now? Rom, Cantlay, Bryson, Burger, Cam Smith, DJ, JT, Speed, Sam Burns, or a Cawa, Macklewright, Cam Smith, et cetera. Really, really good run. He's been, he's been

putting really well. But that's over the last six months. It's a little bit volatile. Sorry, where's Hovelin on that list? Hovelin is right below Sheffler below Usthays and below Zander below Rory. So he's about 15th. Not this is not counting this week Probably the bottom of tier one. Yeah, so should we talk about how I'm a little bit we shit That was and we'll come back to more colla cuz he had some cringe worthy remarks. We'll get to all we're gonna do all Saudi in one segment here and then also get to Saudi Grand Prix some people are saying Saudi's kind of taking over the sports world The Red Sea ho Havlund's numbers. Havlund's yourself.

It would be insane if not for the Strokes Game to round the greens, which is still a bit of an issue. But, uh, very clunky, very clunky chip, buddy. It was not great. I was, I was thinking totally apropos of nothing. I think I've said this before, maybe on the podcast or on Twitter, but watching, it was fun to watch P get in the mix a little bit Patrick Greed. Was it ever at the scene of the crime? Exactly. Like a serial killer returning returning to some of his greatest moments,

flaunting it. Especially now that sluggish gone. What I would watch straight up free idea is TV show series web video, whatever, put Patrick Greed in the most fucked up spots around the greens possible and see where he can get up at the top right at his gross. Watching him chip in pot is so freaking fun. And the reason I thought of that is because I would also watch a series where you just give hoveled a bunch of like,

very straightforward, like, hey man, this is like a 90% or here. This should be no problem. It's kind of like Max versus Fino at Riviera. Yeah, put Reed up against the trees, put them in all kinds of weird spots. He had a couple of lefty shots today. Maybe that's the video.

Maybe put them in the same video. Like Patrick, you're going to get like some really tough spots and Victor, you're just going to have really straightforward ones. We'll play a little match play. John Woodwatch. John Wood was all over at 208s. Like I would not just put it up for sure. Like all you got to do is make bogey.

It seemed like a great, I wonder if he was nervous about like the sprinklers. Maybe a little bit. He might need a hybrid. I'd have been more than, I know it was. That didn't work out very well for Sam Burns. I don't know if you guys saw the highlight of that,

but for Randy. Or for this, for this, for this, for this. You guys have way overrated Randy's chipping ability with the hybrid, by the way. He hit like one great one and everyone's like, oh, he's a magician. No, no, no, there were a lot on strap to all hand up on this one.

There were a lot on strap that were not on camera. I can vouch for him in Thursday games too, around the past bound. He's a magician at that first bounce, that first bounce kind of getting a little bit of forward spin. Point being up, I'm with you. I don't know why he didn't keep that on the ground on 18,

but you know, well, that's fine. He did win. He did win the golf tournament, which the T stavley 13 asked will have a win a PGA tournament on US soil He's got He's got the the heavyweight slam going He's all like exotic Caribbean locations. He needs the you said he needs a Cuban open He's a Cuban opening. He may need to go down and play Columbia. Maybe a Indolucía Masters over his fade. But yeah, he's only winning at these like resorts. He might be the ultimate pair of heads. So he's got a lot of people.

So did my head count as a PGA Tour win? Too much. No, absolutely not. Definitely not. So he's got my cova. He's got my cova in Puerto Rico. My cova, Puerto Rico. And then on the European Tour,

he's got the BMW International. Which was where? Germany. Germany. Okay. The one we went to. No, right, but I didn't know if it had moved to some exotic local.

I mean, like, is there something there with it? Like, these places tend to have a little bit spongy or grass around the degrees. Oh, I do. Which is native to Norway, of course. Of course. Of course. I think he just knew he was probably chipping off of artificial turf a lot indoors and stuff

like that, right? I think he's just the, maybe he's just the prince of the vibes. I think he just loves resort life. That's my time. Exactly. He, he's just probably thrilled to be playing golf in December because he probably never could as a kid. And he still can.

Out in, you know, still water. That's right. So only big takeaway. I mean, it was, he's the man. He's so fun to watch, like put him in contention every week for all I care to can't get enough of a victor. The only thing that I really took away with the back to back Eagles on, how is everyone always putting for

Eagle at Albany? That may be left so hard, we put that in Slack today. Like every putt is an eagle putt. How's it going on? This a moment ago for eagle. I guess there are three, are there five part fives there? Is that right? There's, there are five part fives and a drivable four.

So that probably contributes pretty greatly to it. But the golf course is semi interesting. I thought so too. I, I, like, almost had to check myself on like, man, have they played this at this course like every year? It seems like it was less gray this year. Your powder was very gray.

It always has struck me as like very solace and kind of uninteresting. And maybe it was playing firmer this year or something, but maybe it was just all the like chipping, train racks and stuff, but that was, it was fun to watch, man. You could put yourself in some truly horrible spots around those greens, which was kind of a thrill to watch.

Breaking news. Scotty Schaeffer solo second shot 66, 66 on the weekend. Wow. That is that is huge news. Breaking news that just came through the turn of it that ended. It's really difficult conditions down at Albany to get to 1700 par. But just hearing the cat in his interview, like everything he talked about with the golf shots

are being played, he was somewhat great. Well, it's just so grainy. Well, the grain just, the cat loves. Oh, this is so interesting. The cat loves the grain. The cat loves variables and jams. Exactly. I mean, green can pull a put up hill.

He loves that one. Which by the way, we kind of glossed, or we didn't even gloss over, we skipped it. How about Kat just kind of detonating more a collar, calling him an athletic gym furexion? I think it was detonating furex a little bit more than that was more a collar. But even then, like, I don't know,

I mean, more a collar was doing this crazy generational shit and tiger, you know, kind of taking the piss out of him a little bit, right? I thought, I mean, calling somebody, I go back and look at furex numbers in that time period, like that is a compliment. I would take that if I was for a couple. Complete dog, complete assassin with his,

with his irons and everything, but like very different on the greens, I don't think. Oh, that wasn't Furex's strong point, I don't think. Yeah. But it was never like a liability though, right? It got pretty bad later, but I actually, I don't know. I'm kind of talking out of my, I'm talking to my ass on this one.

I don't really have a good. I think he's kind of just talking about the little kind of delay in the swing. I mean, it's not a circular motion like Furek made, but like, Morokawa's swing is like repeatable. And it looks a little different than everyone else's does. He's so open.

Yeah, and Furek is like repeatable, funky swing. So I kind of see where he's going, but if the cat let him, we're just happy to have him back in our lives. We'll let it, we'll give him a pass on that. We will, some of his other comments, we'll take to task, but I don't know. There's a screen.

Did you guys, were you guys watching when he was in the booth on Saturday? I was not, I missed it. Fill me in. It was, you know, good chopping it up, you know, pretty normal. Just a little awkward dynamic. It wasn't Phil taking over the commentary booth when he comes in. It wasn't particularly insightful.

Who was in the booth? It was San Z and Steve. He said, thanks Steve after the interview, which like, that shook me. I literally watched it for an hour waiting for the thanks San Z just to get it back in our lives. Fairety was there. It was just kind of a little bit of a weird dynamic. They did a good job kind of pressing them a little bit of like, you know, you're talking about hitting giggles. Like, hey, there's a hitting gagal coming up here in a couple of weeks. Like, what do you think? And

which he's definitely playing. He has to be playing. Like, he's hitting balls on the range. I'm talking about the father's son. The father's son, PNC father's son coming up. He's hitting balls on the range. He drew love. He's coming for you. He's he basically spelled it out like competing on tours. It'd be really difficult for me. But like, you know, I could like a hit and get like a play. It's like, well, all right. Well, that makes perfect sense. It's I feel like he said that stuff.

And then he goes out on the range and starts banging drivers and, and you know, everybody's freaking out. And he's like, he's trying to set the bottle. Oh, but also like, hey, like magic can happen, you know everybody's freaking out and he's like he's trying to set the bar low but also like magic can happen you know. Well, we'll get into the the the tiger comeback story here in a little bit. Anything else we missed? Did he look better? Like did he look and sound better than he did the last time in a booth? He didn't sound like he did at Riviera.

He's still a little bit, kind of has a little marbles in his mouth, talking a little bit, but I feel like that's kind of been normal for him for the last five years, but it wasn't slurring worry. Some like we saw at Riviera. He wasn't sharp, sharp, but it was, you know, as close to back to what we've seen as you could have imagined. So, some of the people don't remember,

like it was bad before his accident. So, he, yeah. And probably psychoanalyzing a little bit, but he just doesn't, doesn't speak as clearly as he always has. And that's not a great thing, I don't think. I don't know why that is, but it just doesn't seem quite 100%.

Also, I mean, semi-related, just because you're talking about the booth, but kind of always weird to see Fairety pop up these days, right? It's just like this guy who kind of the telecast used to seem like it totally revolved around. It's just been turning to just like such a bit player. Kind of like a bummer. It's like a utility player, DBC, and CBS,

the whole thing revolved around them. It's tough. Yeah, it is a little tough, but but he doesn't like the booth, right? He wants to be out. I thought that was like his buddy wanted the booth. Yeah. Yeah. The Sam Burns chipping disaster. I had that noted here. He had fought. I don't know how many three woods he had rolled back to his feet. That was tough to watch. You see any comment? Oh, good. Speed that Henry playing for the wrong team

was just chef's kiss, that was beautiful. Which a lot of people, why don't you, or I'm happy to explain what happened in that situation. A lot of people, the tweets going around a lot of like, how are these caddies not fired? The fuck is going on? I wanna get into your theory here that what they, a player with a lead should do for sure.

So we'll get to that. Before that. So basically, what, I mean, the easiest thing is they kind of switched like the ninth and 17th tees, right? They are not switched them exactly, but switched the direction. You teed like this, the actual T for 17 today was what had been the ninth T. Is that right? Yes. So they, when they got to nine, they accidentally teed off the T on 17.

Yeah. So they switched the tee for the par 3 17 Yeah, that's a that's a feather in the cap of the tournament on the this is a real tournament side that they're Or is it a real tournament because they don't actually do that enough with PGA tour players That's true. That's true. Notice was given to the players on this also. There's big ass signs Yeah, we can't confirm there are big ass signs with the numbers on them. I guess my defensive of those two slash four guys if you include their caddies is like, it's a long year, man.

Yeah, I think they've been playing. He has a fucking newborn. They've been playing so much golf. They like are, they were in last place. It like fighting for a couple of DBGR points though. And it's completely fake of it. Just like totally checked out. So you don't want it something crazy.

Purse wise, last place, it's $100,000. If you come in, let's say T9, you get $110,000. For real? For real. If you come in, let's say T387,000. That's wild. Seriously? Yeah. Wow.

That's really bizarre. And so, so, Hovelin made a million bucks for winning. Shafler made a million dollars. $375K for coming in second and then burns 187 and then it's just kind of gradual from there. And then the floor is the floor is 100. That is very weird,

burst, very, very, very cool event. And in Speed said in his quote afterwards, he's like, yeah, I mean, obviously, I didn't think they were gonna penalize it. I mean, it's a charity event, right? But I guess there's world ranking points, so they have to do the rules and stuff. Well, so I didn't realize speaking of the rules,

what you alluded to, I was, you know, like do the rules and stuff. Also, I didn't realize, speaking of the rules, what'd you alluded to, I was, you know, this is a textbook like, followed on Twitter, kind of getting a quarter of the information. I didn't realize they had retie. So you tee off from the wrong tee, you get assessed the two-struck penalty, but then you have to go, like obviously, retie, not obviously, to me.

You have to go retie from the like, property. And so what I was saying, this is so funny. I was like, well, shit, man, if you're like, to me, you have to go re-t from the property. And so what I was saying, this is so funny. I was like, well, shit, man. If you're like, let's say you're playing like 18 at Pebble Beach and you have like this big forced hazard on the left and you have OB, you know, way, way right.

Like a whole where it's like, yo, you could make theoretically, you can make like a 10. So if you had a four shot lead, I'm like, why wouldn't you just go to like the furthest up T- and just T from there and like make five for sure at worst? Take your two shots. Yeah, just, you know, take nine completely out of play, which, you know, apparently the rules of golf have thought about that. That's not legal. Which is like pulling the string on that. You could literally just T it right next to the hole. If that was the case, haul it out, take your two shot penalty.

Well, no, it's a game of honor. So I was thinking it had to be a properly defined T-box. What happens if there's, like, if your plan of course, like say, Congri, there's not a properly defined T-box. That's a good point. I was also, well, the Pebble example, I was also thinking, like, could you go T-off? I number one, does it have to be just any T-box? I was like, then you might be bringing in more trouble

because you'd have to carry the houses. More, more, more, more, more come watch this space for more information. I tell you you got a raw deal this week Co-Creck 20th on 20th in the world rankings didn't get in didn't get in Hate that burger 19th got asked Harry's English 17th got in maybe got asked and he didn't Maddie Fitzpatrick was there 24th maybe he was at the Saudi Grand Prix. I was gonna say he and player and he didn't. Maddie Fitzpatrick was there 24th. Maybe he was at the Saudi Grand Prix. I was gonna say. He in player and he player and Anonork was had to have been there.

For sure. What'd you guys think of the 18th whole antics of one Patrick Reed today? I didn't see him, what happened? Well, he hits his ball over into the sand and he's like, he is ball is sitting so pretty in the sand, brings in a rules official. Yeah, it's already suspect. Briggs in a rules official. Yeah, already suspect.

Briggs in a rules official and it's like takes a stance and he's not gonna be on this little irrigation thing But he like takes a practice swimming. He's like now see if I'm my foot moves during this It's gonna be on this and like could have taken a drop Scott one of his boots goes to like maybe take the drop and then realizes like oh I'm gonna be right behind a bush Why would I take the whole thing takes like three minutes. Meanwhile, Hovlin standing in the fairway, waiting to try to win the golf tournament. And like the whole, their, John Wood was all over it too. Just saying like, well, why, why wouldn't, well, they, they should have

indicated to Victor like, you know, this is going to take a little while. You can go ahead of you want whatever. And it just hollanda, sit there. Wait, wait, wait, ends up hitting a shitty shot in. And then Reed hits it over the green, chips on, misses his par putt and runs it 16 inches past the hole. Dwaadles up there, marks the ball, comes in, gets behind it, bends down and reads the putt while Havelin's got like a two footer to win the golf tournament. And it's just like, what are you doing, man? Like just completely slow playing him here. Well, you know, Hovlin's got to sit there and sweat out this, this final putt. It didn't, it just didn't sit right.

Maybe just got exaggerated because it's read a little bit, but it was not a cool thing to do on the 72nd. I can't tell you how a lot of whips of Neil, uh, making Trump put that three footer. We had two, two puns to extend the match That was a tough look. Yeah, that was a tough one. Listen man. He's a competitor. He's just he's upset because his Notre Dame fighting Irish Got squeezed out of the playoffs. I think I the Brian Kelly situation going down which probably was Effecting his sleeping battery. You know in all places for Brian Kelly to go LSU

I know top right and right in his backyard right grew up Unbelievable tough y'all Bam God that was good stuff. I hate college football with that rule Well, that's a week and a half this one really good ever since the pull assassin stuff Bull assassins getting sued. You see that? Yeah. Yeah. So it's actually like watching the

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you guys wanna start with the Tiger Pressor or the Golf Digest interview from this week? The Golf Digest interview is first, probably, right? So I watched that one kind of in snippets. I mean, I saw it, but obviously saw it. It got the archaeologist got in there and it divvied. I loved it. So I feel like I saw.

I preserved it for a few years. Yeah, so I saw it like the museum cut. I didn't see the full. I loved how he was just walking into the room. Yeah. It was so cat. That was great. Hi, Haney.

Hi, Haney. Haney's great. Fantastic. I wanted to lead with that. This is not going to be hard hitting journalism, and it shouldn't be. This is part of a content deal that Tiger gives interviews to golf TV and golf digest whatever.

She does an awesome job at bringing the most emotion and most real cat that we see from anyone. It feels candid. Yeah, it feels just real. And like he gets going, like some of the stuff when he got going about talking about Charlie and like teaching him the game and like some of the stuff like son, I don't care how mad you get,

you know, you can do like a rage quit. But like by the time you hit the next shot it's better be the most important shot you hit. It better be more important than breathing. I was like, I imagine like tiger fucking woods being your dad telling you that. So he had a couple quotes in there that we will do some archeology digging on as well

and mining for our own content. Well, before we get there, what I think is really interesting about the digest stuff is when you see him going off on just very run of the mill topics, like very everyday stuff, I agree with you totally. It's completely fascinating to just hear him

kind of shoot the shit because. It's like a window into his- It is, and I think, so we'll probably get into the press conference, I'm sure, and how nobody asked him about really, or he didn't, not that nobody asked him, nobody really pressed him on any of the accident details and stuff.

I think what's weird about Tiger at, I was going to say at this stage, but really his entire career is like every time he comes in the press room, like there's so much big shit going on, right? Like you never get to a point where it's like, oh, Tiger, like let's just kind of joke around and like have fun. It's always just like, hey, do you think you're going to win 18 majors? Do you think you're going to win 19 majors? What do you think fun. It's always just like, hey, do you think you're gonna win 18 majors? Do you think you're gonna win 19 majors? What do you think you're gonna do? Like, hey, are you gonna come back at Augusta?

Hey, what's up with your spine? Hey, what's up with, you know, there's a lot of, check the box stuff. A lot of check the box stuff, a lot of stuff that I'm sure he feels rightly or wrongly, like very defensive, right? Or he's never gonna go into the press room and just like, be himself, right?

That's just, nobody's like, basically laying up a softball form of like, hey, what those raiders, right? Right, and it's so weird to talk about, because I'm not saying they should do that, like that's not what the role is. It's not the place for it. Journalist, but also at the same time,

it's like, what's a better picture into like who the guy is and all this stuff than trying to make him feel like he's Has a little bit of a safety net and like he's not gonna get ambushed with some hard question, right? It's they're they're too they're too vastly different thing Yes, and I think I've shit for a long time on like the non-journalism side of just kind of like this is bullshit You're not asking many hard questions. What's the point of this? But I think with someone like Tiger,

like there is a point, right? And it's like, it's weird, but if that's gonna be, if that kind of like corporate deal gives us the most real quote unquote version of himself, I know how counterintuitive that sounds, but if that's the case, then yeah, maybe there kind of is like some value in this stuff for someone like him.

It's giving us a lot more insight than the quote unquote real journalism is and where the real journalism needs to step up is like with the investigative stuff of like going to the hospital figuring out why they didn't draw blood from them or like that, you know. Yeah, it was, I went on a walk and listened to it. I mean, it was, it was just like, it was like a podcast and we don't get to hear the cat on podcasts. Just, you know, speak almost uninterrupted for 40 minutes

or so. But a couple of the most interesting quotes, I think, which are just so crazy, like, like, so obvious and understandable, yet just really bizarre, I think to hear the cat say, but I think that something that is realistic is playing the tour one day, never full time ever again. But pick and choose choose just like Mr. Hogan did. Pick and choose a few events a year and you play around that. You practice around that. You gear yourself up for that. I think that's how I'm going to have to play from now on.

It's an unfortunate reality, but it's my reality and I understand it and I accept it. That's not that I've got for quite a different from how he's played the last time. I think this is like, I think that's eight times a year. Max. I think it's sweet. Yeah. Right. So, I don't know.

There's a couple of big takeaways. I think, first of all, we've heard him for so long. I mean, maybe it's softened with all the much more recent injuries and stuff, but for all of his career, he's been the like, if I'm teedered up, like I expect to win. And it's like, well, really, dude, your fucking leg is broken. Well, you know, that's why I'm here. I expect to win. And this is the first time where it's like, all right, yo, no, no.

That's probably not going to happen. Guys, I'm going to need you guys to chill because that guy's not coming back. That's what, because we've never heard him talk like that forever. That's what I think find, is that interesting about that? And this saying, I don't have to compete and play against the best players in the world to have a great life. After my back fusion, I had to climb Mount Everest one more time. I had to do it and I did.

This time around, I don't think I'll have the body to climb Mount Everest and that's okay. I can still participate in the game of golf. I can still, if my leg is okay, I can click off a tournament here or there. So sick to call it, clicking off a tournament. But as far as climbing the mountain again and getting all the way to the top, I don't think that's a realistic expectation of me.

Yeah, of course, but still just like, whoa. Tiger saying this. I keep getting the sense too that, you know, I think everybody's talking about the leg. The back seems more fucked up. It's not good. It's listen, T.C., it's all bad. It's all bad. What did he say, T.C., it's all bad. It's all bad.

There's been, what did he say, 10 surgeries between his knee and his back and now all of the leg stuff? Like it's just, yes, it's not good. And that's where I'm trying not to, like, sound cold about any of this stuff, but I mean, I think literally since, like, seeing the pictures of the car, I've been so resigned to the fact that it's like,

oh, we're never gonna see them on the golf course again. Sure. And that's totally fine. Like, literally, they go to a lot of clips. They go to a lot of clips. Yeah. And I think what the big takeaway from this week should be, and whether it's the golf digest stuff for the press conference or both,

is like, whatever happens now, like we're fully in bonus time. Yes. We're fully, this is all gravy. And like, if we get to see him on a golf course, awesome. That's one more time than I thought we were going to. If he contends, holy shit, that's awesome. That's one more time than I thought it was going to, but like, I'm totally okay if none of that stuff ever happens again.

And I think it's just like, dude, Tiger, you had a insane DUI. People maybe have tried to wipe it from their memories, how bad that video is. Like very, very bad. A car accident that you are honestly lucky to have lived through. Like you have used up some of your lives here and don't this final.

He's got a lot of them though. He's used up a few before that, I think, too. But not even talking about hitting a fire hydrant and falling asleep in the street, being a third traffic incident he's had. You've gotten lucky. Now, don't fuck this up. Just whatever it takes for you to have a happy rest of your life so you can be there for your kids. Please do that. Take that. I still think there's a load of people that follow your career and have reported on you. And we can talk about this that I think people

in general are owed some sort of answer as to what the hell happened in this car accident. Like, I don't know, he's somehow thinks or he and his people think that they can just go and not address that question or say it's in the police report and it's not. Like, I don't, I'm amazed by the cherry reminiscing of the great miss out on price conference by the way exactly in the book yeah I've already commented you're

a real beauty well it's not in the book exactly and there's a whole slew of tiger hardos out there that like you know it was the media nothing all that stuff it's like I can't I don't want to live in a world where it's like like, why is that not a fair question as to what that'll happen? This is not a normal thing that happened. I think for whatever reason, people are having a hard time differentiating like two things in their head. Like, does he owe anybody an explanation on like, what happened in his marriage?

Like, no, no. A thousand percent no. Like, I fully would co-sign and like, I'm sure I said different things when I was like a college student, casual golf fan in 2009, like watching all that stuff. I mean, I'm sure I was like glued to the TV for a lot of it. But at this point, I'm like,

yeah, you don't have to answer any questions about that, man. Like if you want to say that's off limits, that's fine. You want to say your family's off limits, totally agree, totally understand, but like continually being being like a bad citizen, like almost health safety. Racking your car is like, yeah, that's kind of everybody's issue, man. That's not a private thing. Well, it's like nobody except for Phil went after like got all pissed off when people were

asking Phil about insider trading stuff. And it's like, that's the same concept, right? Like, that's a valid question to Phil. Why is legal matters not a valid question to Tiger? And maybe there is just, there are legal implications for him saying, like admitting fault in this and that means blah, blah, blah. I don't know the answer to these

because no one asked question, but is a violation of his probation of some time for him to have been going 22 miles an hour over the speed limit? I still think. 22. That was like 42. 22 over the speed limit. I still think. 22. That was like 42. 22 over the 42, sorry, what I said, yeah. It was 87 to 45.

With no signs of breaking, like there's a lot of questions related to that. There's some serious smoke and mystery here. Like just at least try to quell people's concerns a little bit. Yes, like especially after a very, very public DUI that could have gone a lot, lot worse. It, I don't know, man, it, it still doesn't sit right with me. Aiman Lynch and Damon Hack went pretty hard as soon as the interview was over.

Saying it was an indictment of the golf media for not pressing him on it. And Mark Kim is there. It was the only one that really even asked about it from New York Post. And Tiger swatted away, saying it away saying it was in the police report. But it isn't, I mean, Tiger does pretty much the same playbook of like anything that's going to reveal weakness in him. He swats away and anything that's about the comeback and like the strength it takes to like stand up on the, he gave you every detail you would have wanted about being on a wheelchair,

being on crutches, the strength it took to walk and all that stuff. Like he loves telling people about how tough he is and how much he's making a comeback. But like, you know, dude, why are you always having to come back from something? Like that's the, that's the like, well, you can't have bigger alarm bells going off than this.

Damon Hacks said too, is like, do you have a driver now? Are you still driving? Like this is, like why are you still driving yourself? Like clearly you should not be if you're going 87 or 45 and wrecking showing no signs of breaking. What the hell happened there? That's not normal. If that happened to Jason Kochrack, wouldn't that be kind of crazy? Yeah. Now imagine having a tiger. Right. I'm saying, like, yeah. I almost feel like we're numb to tiger news to the point that it was like, oh yeah, you almost died like

First crazy. I think that's exactly it. I think it like Weird parallel. I know but it feels like the 2019 Masters, which is like, yo, this is like it's like too big to so off the map It's too big to like wrap your head around where like you're almost desensitized to to Tiger News It's almost like how OJ got where it was like you know like not sensitize to Tiger News. It's almost like how OJ got where it was like, you know, not to bring OJ into this, but like, you know, just, it got so outrageous that you're like,

it's suspended reality, suspended disbelief. You know? I always go back to, and it's, I hate lobbying shots at press conferences and stuff because we aren't in press conferences, we probably could be and we don't. And so that's where I'm I hate you. I'm very what I would have asked was, but how long did fucking NFL reporters go on about

to flake gate? Like imagine if this was Tom Brady that like was had like a potential like substance abuse problem and drove his car off a cliff. You think that would be like, oh, yeah, I guess he doesn't want to talk about it. Please put it. Like, okay, cool. Aaron Rogers with the vaccine. Yeah, and I'm not saying that that's it.

Kwame Brown, the number one pick in the NBA draft. I remember like his rookie year, he got a speedy ticket for going like 125 miles an hour in South Georgia. And that was like front page news on ESPN and everybody was talking about it. That was Kwame Brown. Yeah, right.

It's just, yeah, I don't know, man. It is very weird how Tiger gets treated. You're kidding. I mean, I know that's... You're a guy Tony Larusa. Exactly. Exactly, they ran him right through the rig or two. It's okay, he's in the whole family.

I'm a fan of favor. It's not Tiger. Tiger about yet. Soon gonna be in the Hall of Fame. Which they're doing at the global home. Exactly. Soon gonna be in the hall of fame. Which they're doing at the global home. Exactly. So there was a spirited debate that broke out on Twitter,

but I feel very, very good about being on the side of, like, yo, I think there should be answers to this question. Yeah. I don't know why anything else would be more important. Some of it's kind of like, hey man, if you want to retreat into like private life and not be a public figure anymore, and like, you know, not host this tournament and shit.

Like cool, PR guests, like that sucks, but like go do that and these questions go away. But like if you want to keep doing that and keep making noodles of money off of golf, then like, yeah, you got to answer these questions. 100% TC, 100%. You guys want to do the week, this week in Saudi Arabia? Sure.

You want to just, she was run through all of them all once and react to them all once or go one by one. A lot of people had a lot of things to say this week. Not a lot of them well advised, only one of them. Where do you want to start? Is it Norman? Yeah. Is it Greg Norman?

I've, forgive me, I don't remember who he, this was said to. I think it was in the financial time. Okay, financial time. I need to rehab my subscription. Which congrats to Norman Sun. He got married, you know, the following one Instagram, great Instagram,

Norman, not his son. And Sun got married this weekend. Which I'm sure it was a bummer for him because he could have been over at the bone saw at Grand Prix. Norman says, no, I haven't been used for sports washing because I've been to Saudi Arabia and I've seen the changes that have taken place.

Every country has done horrendous things in the past. Just look at America with racism, for example. It's just so embedded here, it's just ugly. Listen, racism is bad. I agree with him on that. Those quotes speak for themselves. I don't think we need to delve into those. Probably right.

That, honestly, in an era of what aboutism taking over, that might be the best one I've seen in terms of just like totally going out of the way to miss the point of what the issue that people have with Saudi Arabia, which we could repeat for the 50th time, and just being like, well, that country did this, that country did this. You guys play in China. Yeah. The Torah is China then. Justin Rose. This was, uh, this was tweeted out by Ben Cole. This was, this country did this. You guys play in China. Yeah. The Torah is China then. Justin Rose, this was tweeted out by Ben Coli. This was this was the go.

This was the piece. There was a stance for me. Obviously, Saudi is controversial, but you know, it's going to be good. It's our dilemma. But I've been down there and I enjoyed my time there. It's actually a fun golf tournament and a good golf course. Listen, they are trying to edge towards a more socially acceptable stance on their policies and you've got to start somewhere, right? End quote.

So that was advocate on some of these quotes, not the Norman one, the normal one's proud to play in salty rage. Steve it. But I don't know what the players are supposed to say, I guess. Like, it seems like they're getting to a point now, which is understandable where they're just, they're going to be asked about it kind of probably like less and less the more years go on. It seems like they're just trying to get through the answer as quickly as possible and, you know, throw out some a mad lib of like like grow the game and yada yada yada and I've met some good people and that's going to be that like I don't know. I don't want to say it's

a like lose lose for the players, but I don't know really what like if I was a player, I don't necessarily know what I would say. If you're if you're in their role and I know what you could say and I know yes could go off and I thought Lewis Hamilton had some great stuff to say and, you know, talking about being there and being conflicted. And I think all that is like, is very good. I just, I don't want to. Some of that was apples and oranges because he didn't have a choice.

Totally. It is different. It is. So it's just like, if you're gonna go and you're gonna take the money and do this, I guess that's more of what I'm saying. Just be self-faceted by the way. It seems like I'm gonna share a little money, man.

It seems like the players who are going are gonna have to make this deal. I guess is what I'm saying. I don't know how you can take the check and say anything other than this. So I guess that's what I'm trying to get at. That came out in a very clunky way, but I guess I'm trying to say,

we're gonna see a lot more of these quotes over the next 10 years. And which obviously it's like horribly depressing that these guys are that much for sale when they've already made millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars. I just don't know like what they're expecting. Are they expecting people to just like,

eventually people are just gonna stop asking about this. Which maybe they will or I don't know what their rest of their sponsors are, they've already signed up to give them money, think about this of like, part of what is made you valuable to a lot of people and to your agency and to the brands you represented is like your word matters,

like your endorsement of something matters, right? But now if you're gonna endorse this, like this very obvious sports washing, doesn't the rest of that, as someone said, called brand suicide, like, doesn't't that isn't exactly what that is like how do how are they going to survive is this I don't know you're stealing from what's the phrase like stealing from something to pay Paul. Yeah, I was something along those lines that was going for I don't remember what it's actually but I don't know it just I guess. what it's actually, but I don't know. It just, I guess. I mean, it's not just about Justin, though, too.

It's about, he's got an entire team behind him. A lot of people he leans on. It's not like coming from two miles away. The golf course is over on the other side of the Red Sea are designed to be difficult. I just, it's such a, the whole thing just makes me very cynical, I guess. Like the whole thing, like I'm not, it's just very weird to see like the Saudi Arabia

Grand Prix today and everybody was just like, yeah man, that was fucking sick. And it's like, yeah, I just feel like I'm not saying this is right. I'm not saying this is what I'm like would ride for, but God, it just seems so clear what's gonna happen here. It just seems inevitable. It just seems truly inevitable. That's the underlying thing of what I'm trying to say here, I guess, is like, it just seems like these questions, they might keep getting asked,

but what are you gonna do? I mean, were you just gonna ask these guys to death? Like, I feel like the, I think signing up to play that tour exclusively makes a big difference for the sponsors you're talking about, but at that point, like, is the guaranteed money, like, dwarfing what they're making in endorsements anyways? I don't know. The whole thing just is very depressing. It's more you think about it. I do know that they're hoping them and their agents are hoping people don't ask and stop asking about it.

So I hope that people don't stop asking, but the one that kind of bummed me out the most was the next one from Colin Moore, Cal. This was fucking pitiful. And I'll give you his full quote just to make sure nothing gets taken out of context here. I don't know what the question was. Business was treated by Rex Hoggard. He said, you know, look, I'm 24 and I'm keeping all eyes and ears open to everything. But the PGA tour has been the focal point of my entire career, right?

You grew up watching the PGA tour, you grew up watching guys like Tiger, guys like Rory just dominate the game. That's what you want to do. You come out here and win. Hopefully everything is out there and you start listening what's best, what's better. But look, I think at the end of the day, we're all trying to grow, all we're trying to do is grow the game. So what's going to be the best for us professional golfers to grow the game? How do we create this outlet that is not just for a US market, but is global, right? I was asking Dr. Moonjal today about how big golf is in India and it really isn't that big and how do you grow it in different parts of the world?

And Colin, go play the fucking Indian open. They sponsor this tournament too. That's not that difficult. What are the fucking Indian open? They sponsor this tournament too. That's not that difficult. That's what's been cool is that we're able to travel, we're able to come to places like these, even though it's gorgeous, how do you just make that impact?

I think you look at a guy like Tiger, who's done his entire career pretty much on the PGA tour and he's made that impact, right? At 24, it's thinking, how do I make that impact in five years and 10 years, but even in a month or in a year, how do you make that impact so young? So when it comes to Saudi, when it comes to PGA tour, I think the underlying message that

everyone needs to realize is we're here to grow the game. That's why they do it for free. Is this the end? Is this finally the end of grow the game? Is this the one that, this is the nail in the coffin on this one? I mean, we've been making fun of this phrase for many, many, many, many years. It's like a fifth amendment. It's like when you invoke grow the game, you're not allowed to ask any more questions. It's like when you invoke, grow the game, you're not allowed to ask any more questions. Like they think it's this fail safe fit. It was one of the first articles we ever wrote

was like Randy detonating Mark King's former tailor-made slash Taco Bell, slash whatever the hell is he's doing now, guy for like the foot golf. And the bigger cups. Yeah, yeah. Which Taco Bell seemed to embrace. But yeah, it's not good, man. It's got one person buying the Grow the Game thing. No, it's a lot of I was texting you guys

earlier. It's a lot of some countries don't even have maps. Energy covered from there. Like, yeah, I don't know why they can't grow the game in India. That's crazy. There's like six golfers. In the Iraq. Yeah, it's just, it's not good, man. The whole thing, like, I don't know why, I mean, I do know why because it's, the whole thing is a good indicator of like, how easy it is to just say nothing. And there's nobody's gonna get on you. No, it's just, if you truly just say nothing

in these press conferences and you just fill them with like hot air bullshit, then you get to leave the press conference. And like, I think that's what they're trying to do. That's what I'm saying. I think there was a time where like players got, you know, the trade-off with the media and like, oh, I can help, you know,

I can answer your questions honestly and that's gonna make you better at your jobs. And now I think they just like, either, they just don't see like the value proposition for themselves, right? To sit there and like give a thoughtful answer on something like that is like, you know, it's gonna cause me more harm and more headaches.

It just probably more money if I say the wrong thing. Folks make is like, I don't know, Collins are very like, he's exceptionally thoughtful. On certain topics, right? Like I think if they're asking him like, hey man, talk to me about your decision making on this to hit this shot instead of this shot. Like I think it's great.

But this felt like an MBA, you know, like master's of PR, just word salad bullshit. Yes. Which I don't get that vibe from Colin. I don't get the money chasing vibe from him. I truly think that he, you know, is out to be the best possible golfer he can. And so that's why I was just like,

oh my god, is this like, is this truly about to be a mass existed that concludes a dude that I find extremely easy to root for, like more Akawa, I don't know. There's still like they're all talking and you know, kind of hush tones about like, if you read between everything, they're basically putting the onus on the tour, daring them to like, hey, if you guys wanna like,

you know, basically denias these releases or finest or whatever, like shit's gonna get real then, right? Like that's, that's supposed to be the subtext here. Well, that brings us to the next one from Rory, which again, so the Saudi international this year is not no longer a sanctioned European tour event, it is a sanctioned Asian tour event. It will be in February, it begins February 3rd, I believe. Sanktion me. Which is the key date will be in February begins February 3rd, I believe,

which is the key day, the key day being February 3rd, meaning that PGA tour has until 30 days before it to grant releases for PGA tour players to go play in it. And a whole slew of names have requested it. There's not been word yet from the tour, whether or not they will grant releases. Rory McAroy's quote this week, he said, in my opinion, I think the tour should grant releases. It's an Asian tour event. It's an event that

has official world golf rankings. I do see reasons why they wouldn't grant releases, but I think if they're trying to do what's best for their members and their members are going to a place other than the PGA tour and being able to earn that money, I mean, we're independent contractors. And I feel like we should be able to do that. I should be able to go play where I want. If I had the credentials and I had the eligibility to do so, I'd say most of the players on tour would be in a similar opinion to me. I agree with that. Initial read of that is like, well, God, Rory's going to Saudi and like, passed through it again

and he's in his role as a leader on the PGA tour and a member of the pack. Like, that is exactly what he should say. That is sticking up for his stick. Yes, sticking up for the other members of the PGA tour and a member of the pack. Like, that is exactly what he should say. That is sticking up for his stick. Yes. Yes. sticking up for the other members of the PGA tour. And me sitting here, I struggled to even see one fair reason why the tour wouldn't grant releases. What's so funny to me about all of this, maybe funny is not the

right word, but it keeps making me laugh is the PGA tour only, this is a very like optimistic reading of it and I'm sure lifelong journalists would be much more cynical than me, but the PJ tour only exists to make PJ tour members as much money as possible. So all they exist to do is like do what the players want them to do.

Provide the bag, which is the point of trying to protect the PJ tour from all these outside leaks. So what all of this like feels like to me is like teenagers screaming at their parents. What the fuck? Why won't you let me go to this concert? I don't care if it's bad. I'm fine. I can trouble.

Like just let me do it. Whereas the parents are trying to get the kids to college. Yes. They're trying to explain like, yo, think 10 years down the line. What could happen if something bad happens at that concert tonight I don't really want you hanging out with that person anymore like what you know and the players are just like fuck you You don't know me at all. I got pretty well. It's a free country. You can't tell me what to do That is deeply funny to me. Westwood had some funny quotes about just kind of juxtaposing what the European tour was saying over the last couple years to

What the current reality is. Like, yes, you were like imploring us to go play this event. The last two, three, four years, however long it's been around. And all of a sudden, now you're telling us that we can't go play it. I was saying that's a solid before we fired it up. It's like, you know, now that the tour and the Euro tour, sorry, the do perfect world tour are, you know, have it alliance. The whole thing is very like, it almost, it Tour, are, you know, having a alliance.

The whole thing is very like, it almost, it feels like they're just like saying to the players and like, what, why hold on? Like, why are you guys like not going along with our monopoly here? Like, what, what the hell? We're trying to like kill off all these other things and protect us so that we can make the most money possible. How do you guys not get that? Yeah, I know it was that it was different a couple years ago, but everything's changed

now. Did you read the release? I mean, this might be a painfully obvious, but what makes it especially, especially, especially just deflating is like there's not one other reason other than money for players to do this, like not one. There's not like, oh, this is a beautiful golf course that I really want to go. Part of the world I want to go see that that's starting to trickle out now for players like, no, it's actually like a pretty good core. It's a pretty fun turn.

It's like, no, it's easy. There's threats. I can use the red seat. You know what I mean? Like, there's different reasons why, you know, I give Billy Horsel credit. He goes over and plays like the BMW PGA championship and plays other European tour events because he wants to have, you know, for I'm sure there's great financial reasons to do that, but like, he doesn't know how to do that.

He's trying to get away from Peter Monardi. And the other guys are like 75, don't want 25 on the FedExCup, I'm in the list. But like that, I see there's reason, like there'd be, I don't know, I would wanna play in front of British golf fans and things like that. These guys truly do not care about

playing in front of Saudi Arabia. Not only that, it's also like looking at their schedules. I mean, it's a really interesting time and schedule to like fly halfway around the world or literally the other side of the world and then fly back and you're right in the middle of the way, you know, kind of right at the beginning

of the West Coast swing. It's like it's not setting you off on a great start to your, like the meat of your master's prep and it's not just one week and players Perhaps it's both events on both ends like after DJ with Drew from the AT&T after winning like God that has to be freaking devastating to that event Yeah, number he was number one player in the world wins inside your a bit and just drops out of AT&T like that's that's tough That's tough for the PJ tour. I just don't see how they can stop them from doing it. The cat had some comments on this. Yeah. I understand some of the comparisons are similar to when Arnie and Jack broke off from the PGA of America starts to tour. I don't see it that way. I think the tour has done a fantastic job. Commissioner J. Monahan

has done an unbelievable job in a very difficult time during the pandemic. There was ample opportunity for players to leave. We were the first sporting tour to start. So with that, yes, do we have some protocol issues at time? Yes, we learned on the fly, but Jay and the staff have done an incredible job of that. I think the tours and great hands, they're doing fantastic and prize money is going up. It's just not guaranteed money like most sports are. It's just like tennis. You got to go out there and earn it.

Tigers big no handouts guy says the guy who earned the money. And also earn everybody else. It's, I think there's probably, I'm not suggesting that anything he said is disingenuous. That's probably how he feels. But like there's, you want to talk about no risk for, you know, you want to talk about no like upside to saying anything to rock in the boat. Like Tiger really has no upside. Right.

It's like, yeah, just kind of status quo, man. Sounds good to me. Whereas who knows what his actual feelings on it are. I didn't copy it, but I think he said his loyalty is to the PGA tour. I think that was an exact quote. The offshore yacht at the Saudi must be awesome. Like that's like out in international waters.

Like there must be some crazy shit on that boat. I'm just gonna say watch this space. So pull us ass in my piano. Yeah. I want to say also about more cowat. You know, we should say he, I think he's engendered a lot of, he's got a lot of good will in the tank. Right. And so maybe this is, you know, he was in Dubai. He's he's flying all over the place. Maybe he just had an off day, you know, maybe it was a little word salad. And he, he, uh, he probably thought the game was the safest thing he could say. That's what I'm getting. It felt naive instead of malicious. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I just want to be somewhat.

Whereas team Rose, like, it was very stupid. I just want to be somewhat. Whereas like, team Rose feels like he's patting you on the head. Yeah. Yeah. It's actually kind of fun. Turn around. hey, I know you're a fucking idiot. I've been there. Some of them tell you how I've been there. I've had fun. That's what's going to be next actually in this. It's like, well, have you actually been there before

and seen it? Have you been without getting paid to go and say these things about it? Paul Casey, what do you think is going to happen with the releases? Like straight up, do you think they have to give it to him? I don't know. I think that would. It feels like it's poking the bear if they don't. Yeah.

I think they're good. I don't think they can find they've threatened to find players. I just don't I don't know what grounds it is. I truly don't. It's a sanctioned Asian tour event. Like what? How can you on a moral clause? Is there something in the handbook that says like you can't they've signed the releases in the past? Why I think what they'll try to do to is extract a pound of flesh out of them on the back end that says, like, you can't, they've signed the releases in the past. Like, I think what they'll try to do too, is extract a pound of flesh out of them on the back end to say, hey, you gotta play these, you know, this one or two event that you haven't played before. Straight out of that though.

That's already in there. No, I know. So they'll try to do that. They'll try to amp that up or whatever. But I just, it feels like, this is, like, push is gonna come to shove at some point. It, I just don't feel like they're ready for that fight right now.

Yeah. Like they wanna get that, I think judging by the tour, it seems like they wanna get this international guaranteed money, event series up and going, fixed the WGC. So they're like, you know, it feels like they're a year or two into like a three or four year plan with the strategic alliance

and rolling all this shit together. So like in a year and a half, I imagine imagine like they'll be ready to pick that fight. I still would honestly just like an explanation from someone as to what the grounds are. I just I don't even I would like for them to not grant players to go play it, but I truly don't know what on what leg they would stand on to do that. Yeah. You know, but they've always had the like it's been pretty black and wide of like, hey, if, you know, like, we don't always have to grant your release.

If there's a big time PGA or any PGA tour event the same week, you can't, you know, I guess I should have asked a question in another way too, is if they don't grant releases, like, what happens? Then I think that could be interesting. It's like, that's, that's what I'm saying. It's like forcing action now when they're not necessarily ready to have that battle. I wouldn't be surprised if they would brought something to the table. And I don't know if you can't even do this, but it was like a true limit on like number

of releases you can get in a year. Right. And you have to sign a contract with the PJ tour to say that you're already is. Yeah. I think there already is. Okay. Where we might be a little out of our skis with that. More to come. There's an excellent article on golf channel dot com this week from former Cadi and outstanding announcer on the golf channel. If I may say John Wood about green reading books, we've talked some about starting January one. There'll be no greens reading books on the PJ tour.

I've read some thoughts here and there as to why that's a slippery slope. I don't think I've fully got the picture until I read John's article here. I'll read a couple quotes in there. He says, the decision to ban green reading material from the PGA tour is completely player driven. It's going to be a local rule as allowed by the USGA and RNA. From everyone I've talked to, the reasoning is they, not sure who they are, feel that green reading books have taken away the skill of reading a green by sight and feel. That should be a skill necessary to be a successful putter. It doesn't have anything

to do with pace of play has to do with the optics of players and caddies staring at their books like a high school geometry final that they just can't get through. And then so from 96 to 2007 and a decade plus before Greensbooks, three putt avoidance on the PGA tour average 3.14%. That means on all attempted putts on the tour for the 12 years before Greensbooks pros 3 putted 3.14% of the time. And from 2008 to 2021, that number was 3.10. So a difference of 0.04. And one putt conversion went from 37.43% to 38.1%. His point being putting stats haven't really changed on tour with greens books. He had a lot of good anecdotal stuff in there too about how he's basically seemed like

roughly the same amount of putts go in from reading the greens book correctly and missing from reading the greens book incorrectly, which always kind of that made me laugh. I always laugh about the story has since possibly been debunked, but talking about a player missing a putt because their caddy was reading the Greens book upside down. That's the best. I thought I was going to go the other way. I mean, I think it like his, his, so to be clear, these are arguments for like keeping keeping them. To me, you could make the same argument that why is it a big deal to get rid of them

if the stats haven't changed, right? I'm with you. I think the idea or the narrative out there that putting it's gotten too easy is debunked by that is what you said. I'm with you. I think his larger point was, why would you draw the line there?

It seems arbitrary to draw the line there and not draw the line anywhere else. Yes. Which I think is really well said. And relative to other like with to driving distance and all that like why hone in on this thing. But I do think like at some point, yeah, if everything's equal, what's not equal is pace of play, right? And like it for from a pace of play standpoint,

it makes total sense for them to outlaw these things. And I personally think they're against the spirit of the game. I don't disagree yet. As long as they're allowed, I've used them in a couple of tournaments and they're extremely helpful. And may have gotten one for Neonize alternate shot event coming up, but tour players and caddies

will be given a tour approved yardage book at every site before the tournament starts. It will contain all the usual information from tea to green. That will not change. When it comes to the green, however, information will be cut to a minimum shape and depth of a green as well as small lines and arrows that will identify any slopes, large tiers, false fronts, etc. that measure 4.5% or more will be there. Other than that, it will be blank.

Players and caddies can do homework, roll balls, watch others put, watch the telecast, and make notes in their book to help reading putts. A player can look at his caddies notes as well, but nothing else. How that information is collected, however, is very specific and limited. You can have a coach tell you this putt on 12 breaks hard, but you cannot write that information down. It must be remembered. This is where it just is. Or it must be something you experience during a practice round. Yeah, but you can't even that information down. It must be remembered. This is where it just is.

Or it must be something you experienced during a practice round. Yeah, but you can't even write it down. You can write, I guess. You can write what happened to you down. That was his whole thing was like, if people have meticulous notes, they could always fall back out and somebody presses them on it.

They could always fall back out and like, oh no, no, no, I hit that shot in the practice round and that's why I wrote it down. So I think it is big, big, big time honor code, which is his point in this, which. These guys are, these guys are glass acts. I don't think we have anything to worry about. But yeah, the piece was awesome, man.

It really, just from like a media perspective, I mean, I thought it was like, it was cool and refreshing to read something that wasn't just like, you know, so and so tweeted what? Like, yeah, that kind of stuff is harder and refreshing to read something that wasn't just like, you know, so and so tweeted what? Like, yeah. That kind of stuff is harder and harder to find. But John did a good job of like, you know, you kind of asked in the agenda here, like, did it change your mind?

And I'm with you. I think abstractly. I'm like, oh, no, the green books are stupid. Like this is, this is not in the spirit of the game. Like I'm totally with you. But then reading his points, I'm like, wait, yeah. How can these players who clearly like vote on these rules changes?

Like, how can they be like, no, no, no, this is like taking skill away. But like, the drivers that include like improve every year. Like, no, no, no, that's, that's fine. That's totally fine. And like all these like, it just seems more forgiving and a ball that spins less. And all that, like, no, no, no, that stuff's all cool.

We're totally fine with that. But listen, if no one's listening, I don't fucking like what Bryson's doing with this book. Like we gotta take this away. That's what it feels like to me. It's just like, it's the personification of what we were saying after Wingfoot, right? We're just like, if, you know,

if there's anything in the game that you don't like, you better hope like Bryson wins more and more because then that's gonna be the only thing that forces these changes. Well, it's just wild to think like you can't bring a level out on the greens anymore. Like, you're not allowed to do that in practice rounds. I should get rid of the compasses, solid.

I'm down with compasses. I use compasses. I know, that's what I'm saying. That's, that seems to be, they write that shit in the Yardage book too though. It's very much toothpaste out of the tube kind of thing here now and it's now like, no, you can't even write down any information you would have gathered

on your own about it. I don't know. This article made me honestly think like, yeah, I should just let him do it. That's kind of high feel. Yeah, it's either you need to let him do it or you need to pair back a lot of other stuff. I think, or if you let him do it, you got to enforce pace and play a lot more. Yeah, because Greens, we talked a little bit about range finders last week. Like range finders aren't going to speed up play that much because you're waiting for

greens to clear anyways. This exact thing is where pace of play issues are on the greens. And if people are reading greens books, especially if they're not doing it before it's their turn, it's a real thing. So I don't know what my stance is anymore. So it's kind of like, hey, you know, either clamp down on the cause or be super strict on the effect. But like, so imagine for events where they put announced the pin sheets the night before,

like if you think Bryson's not going to memorize the slopes around these, these pins, like you're not, you haven't been paying attention. And he gets pretty extreme in some of the examples saying you could hire an aim point sky for the couple like Monday Tuesday. Yeah, Monday, Tuesday, then fire him and bring your normal caddy in and I mean, I don't know. Again, it all seems very pointed to Bryson. That sounds like something Bryson might do. But also it is, I agree with John's assertion that it is unfair to Bryson. Like, Bryson, say what you will about him. we've said plenty, about to say some more. But I mean, he operates within the rules, right?

Like he constantly is like forcing all these rules changes because he keeps operating inside of like this structure that's already there. And it does kind of suck to be like, no, we don't like how you're doing that. Like we're gonna change this. Totally. No, we don't like how you're doing that.

We're gonna change this. Two things can be true at the same time. Yeah. Bryson is the most massive, just showed you shbag on the planet, like that 100% but also like I respect the shit out of him for. Yeah. Yes.

Like the improvements he's made with his putting and turning that strength or that weakness into a real strength. Like it's like a freaking monstrous amount of effort and willpower to do that. I think the big takeaways here, since again, it's December 5th, we're not, you know, we're scraping the bottom of the barrel

for the content here, but going into the new year, I think the two big takeaways or the two big headlines from this are like, watch what happens with Bryson's putting. Watch this space. Watch this space is Bryson's putting gonna change, get better, improve, get worse. Who knows, I think it's just interesting to follow. And two, we could have some potential spicy situations

if somebody's writing sketchy notes. Yes. Outside of that, I don't think this. It's very much like the pictures with the Vaseline or whatever they've been using in their belt. It's like, are they gonna implement something like random check? Check everybody's yard book after every whole.

That'd be sick. Use golf facts is gonna be all over the place. Exactly. That's what I was gonna say. the only reason I think this is, it's worth giving all this time to is. It's gonna yield content. Could yield some, yeah, some shit could pop off. The only counter I had to, John's article was,

Augusta doesn't allow yardage books or green's books. Yeah. And that we haven't seen any malfeasance as far as we know in relation to that. True. So I think it's probably gonna end up being much do about nothing, but I think it was a very well written, where well reasoned point.

More of that when golf fights. I'm weighing on that. So what's this about this Bryson New York Post circle? I totally missed this. I didn't see it. It didn't really circulate. I didn't have the heart to get a Bryson, the Brysoners in the mention this week.

Leave Bryson alone. There's an article in the New York Post from Mark Canazaro who played it from what I gather played with Bryson in the pro-an this week. He said, he just got a slew of Bryson quotes. New Yorker down in Albany, big week in Albany, right? You got everything down there, you got all the Cuomo stuff going on

up in the other Albany. Exactly. Huge. Bryson says, I didn't know where you're going. You're going to be whipped and around. Bryson says, there was a point in time I'm not kidding

where I just felt like I wanted to leave the game. I just felt like I don't need any of this. Why? Why I put myself through all this torture. I got hit pretty hard. That's why I kind of walked away because people were damaging my character. It was all the stuff that was going on in social media.

I was like, I really don't need this. I could walk away and be totally fine the rest of my life, be happy, and go out and hit the long-ball and call it a day. Hell yeah. Which I read that to be is I'm gonna go be a long-drive competitor and not play professional golf anymore was what he was thinking of.

Whether or not you take this at face value or not. I kind of walked away because people were damaging my character, all the stuff on social media. Like you were damaging your character. So while I totally agree with you, I can hear a responsibility. Like of course he's not gonna see it that way. Right.

And I almost, for a shred of this, like I was almost kind of like, oh dude, that's almost like an admission of kind of like feelings, right? Like that's kind of what I think of a little bit of what we were talking about, like especially come after the Ryder Cup and hearing everybody cheer for him and like, wow, this is a lot different than when everybody

was just like shitting on me all the time. Like maybe I should just be like nicer and be like a little more open. And everyone else was wrong up until that point. I think that's what it is. But I think also, I mean, what is he 28, 27? Like he, a lot of people not saying that. Like don't expect him to play for, you know,

like a fully fleshed out career, right? A lot of people have said that. I just mean like I think he's, no passes, but like the last year and a half year and probably sucked ass and was a lot of that of his own doing like, of course, yes, but like he's not gonna, right? I'm not gonna see it that way.

It's not gonna make it any more fun for him to go through. I understand why he's saying all this. I guess that's what I'm saying. Yeah. He continued, I couldn't let down the people that were around me, the people that truly believed in me so I said, no, Bryson, you can do this for a long time. I'd gray people around me.

I couldn't let down the TikTok influencers. And things changed for me. I got back to a place where I felt like I could continue. One of those people in Deschambot's corner was Chris Pratt, the actor who starred in the TV series Parks and Recreation and a number of movies. Pratt is a golf junkie and he and Deschambot met at the Genesis Invitational Few Years Goat,

Riviera and Los Angeles. Chris Pratt told me, look, when I'm doing a movie and people are saying the movie's terrible and I'm not a good actor, that doesn't define me. I respect him, respect his opinion, and he's got a lot of great life advice from things he's been through. Some troubling times in social media noted,

divorce from actress, anaphyrus, and social media heckling over his assumed political beliefs. Did he just step into like a big thing with on Instagram the other day? Yeah, he, uh, I'm shooting on his basically his ex-wife. Yeah, it's, it other guy. I'm shooting on his, basically his ex-wife. It's over some. It's tough.

Yeah. So, yeah, he and his ex-wife have a special needs child. And he, since divorce turned married, Arnold Schwarzenegger's daughter. And he put some on Instagram, like she gave me a healthy child. Like said, that about his new wife and everyone kind of lost their mind. Like, deservedly over that. So, Chris has gotten, look, let at us. Yeah. All that to say. We're the guy to source here as your inspiration. But Bryson is not the most in tune person in the world as we've

come to conclude. I've never played golf to become famous. I did it because I love it. And I wanted to find a unique way to beat everyone. And it's worked out a little bit. That doesn't mean I'm the most dominant player, doesn't mean I'm gonna be number one in the world, doesn't mean I'm gonna be the best player that ever lived. I think the biggest quote was, which I don't know if it's in your notes here,

but the biggest one was like, what do you wanna do? Like what drives you, right? And his answer was, I wanna hit the ball 200 miles an hour off every tee. I wanna average 200 miles an hour. I'm so sorry. Really?

Like that. Which again, you know, no judgment if that's his thing and that's truly what's driving him. Be true to yourself, baby. That's fascinating. No, no, no, that's not what's driving him though. Because his actual quote on what's driving him. When it's all said and done, can you guys guess?

I want to grow the game. I want to be known for growing the game. I know this life is going to pass by really quickly in 10 to 15 years. I'm going to be better than I am now, but it's going to be gone. Hopefully I can provide young kids in football. All these guys saying that he hates the game

he doesn't want to play. Why do you want to grow the game? You so... For anybody to find, they might be strange bedfellows. They might just shrink the game together. All these guys end up sounding like, it'd be one thing if like,

you know, their aims were all truistic here and they're truly just trying to grow the game. But they all end up sounding like bigger and from Kingpin, right? Or it's just like just dripping with like disdain and sarcasm for all the people that they're talking about. It's kind of the vibe. I think Bryson likes money. That's yeah, I think he spends prolificantly and he's, he's just just you know, he needs a lot of money to see big on tarot. No, like he needs to keep that rolling. He's had some comments on Keppga. He said, I'm more proud of the fact that I at the other day, we raised a lot of money for charity. The only way I was going to play a match against him was if it was for charity, we raised over $3 million

and I put over a hundred thousand of my own money towards Shriners Hospital, St. Jude, APGA, and feeding America. Which is great. He's like, yeah, I'm more proud of that fact than that. If I would have beat Brooks, like I really don't care, it's 12 holes and I'm ranked higher than him in the world. He has more majors than me. Great.

I respect what he's done. Full disclosure, I've got great respect for him. It's not necessarily great for the game. We want to focus on competing and have a rivalry. It's not a boxing match. He incited it. Look, I understand his play. I understand the pit aspect of it. I see the whole picture and it's okay. It's not a boxing match. He incited it. Look, I understand his play. I understand the pit aspect of it.

I see the whole picture and it's okay. I'm not worried about it. I will keep producing content and entertainment value for the public because that's who I am. I'm an entertainer. A content creator. I go into always be the perfect you. Like Tommy Callahan.

No. Too I am. I've been content for the American working man. That's who I am. That's what I care about. It's exactly like that. We got our last Callaway What's in the Bag segment for the year here.

TC is gonna bring us home here. We're gonna, just cause we're gonna get excursion. It was Razalinsky, that's not, not that big top Callaway. It's just looking nice, okay. Which, you know, we, and we got a big, big, golf digest, jupe life segment coming up after the,

the, uh, Calais, what's in the bag? I want to talk about my Florida wood. I think I've already talked about it during one of these segments. I want to talk about it some more. That's how much you love it. So I found out, so with the, with the Maverick and this, in the, the previous, uh, epic flash before that,

I had three plus epic flash, which was like a 13 and a half degree. And then the Maverick, I got a 14 or 14 and a half. And then I found that the ball was kind of falling out of the air a little bit, or you know, it was getting a little bit too much draw on it. And then it was falling out of the air, it wasn't going far enough, and it was getting,

I don't know, it was just kind of a weird ball flight. It's kind of when it knocks out of the air. A little bit. And so I've switched to this forward. And I don't know how much of it's the forward and how much is the epic speed, which I loved, like, it just feels so solid and like a balanced club. I switched to this and I haven't hit my fairway with this good since high school. What's your like gapping on that? What do you have for it? I'm actually hitting it farther than I hit my three wood before because you're just hitting it more solid. Because it's getting a little

bit more spin and it's staying in the air longer and just hitting it more south. Because it's getting a little bit more spin and it's staying in the air longer and I can shape it both ways now off the tee a little bit more. So it's essentially, it's like a 16 degree, I think. I'm hitting it like 250 off the tee, 246, 248 off the tee. And then, that's so sick. That's a great flex right there.

Not 245, 250, 246, 248. You might click off another of the other two great flex right there. Not 245, 250, 246, 248. You see what I click off another tourist out of the hair there. And then, you know, a good like 238, 240 off the ground. Like the one I hit at Frederica in the 18. I knew my run out, I knew my number there and I hit it. That was pure. Two or three yards distance.

So it's wonderful. And it's just giving me so much more. You don't need to carry a three in a five wood if you have this. That's it. Yeah. And it's actually let me take out the 18 degree or driving iron that I had too and I'm not carrying a hybrid anymore. So it's it's freed up. I'm down to like 11 clubs now.

Oh, it's it's freed me up to like some rounds. I carry a couple wedges. I carry two putters. Some rounds. Yeah, hell yeah. And then I've got at least one lefty wedge in the bag somehow. So it's really freed me up from that perspective. But I don't know. Also, it's just I feel like I have so much more controllable because it's got that much more backspin on it. Like it's not it's not really wavering too much off of its line.

Coway's got a club a fairway club selector on their website as well that helps you kind of talk, you know, do you want distance, do you want height, do you want forgiveness, whatever, and it gives you a suggestion on what it would want. I just did it really quickly, gave me the Epic Max, which I have not tried. I love my Epic Speed 3 wood.

It's, it just honestly goes too far. Like it's, it's hate that for me. It's hot. It's hot. The forward of the five. I know. Yeah. I know. I'm ready to read that. He's at Reed's work. it's hate that for it. It's hot. It's hot. The forward of the five of them. I know. I know.

I'm ready to read that. These ad reads work. The second's work on me, I just like, by the time Monday Colt rolls around, I forget to get my order in. We were supposed to hold each other responsible for the you would. We got exactly order them. I'm going to do some rebuilding. I have to the shit that we saw on video this week from Torres St.

That's bad. Michigan, like you're trusting that. New versus Randy, the pillow fight at point. Let's get you back out in the golf. I played like four times. to get the best of the world. I'm not gonna be able to get the best of the world. I'm not gonna be able to get the best of the world. I'm not gonna be able to get the best of the world.

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Just for reference, what did Fino shoot today in the final round? You are supposed to be an innocent backfitter in this. Teasey's, I always get dragged into this. I am an objective bystander. I always get dragged into this. I've saw the record states. Why don't you care about him not paying off his bet?

Why am I the only one that has between you guys? Again, like you said, I'm just a bystander. It was a true the scoreboard is you know, 63 0 and solid leaked it a touchdown. He's he's worried that he's covered the spread He's you know people are putting us recruiting mixed tape He's you know people are put it as recruiting mixed tape Making a the spread I watched that that bad sports about the Arizona state. Oh, I haven't watched those yet Oh, dude the one about Steven Smith the guy at Arizona state who's fixing the games That series Too depressing to free to watch. I thought you were the one tell me. No, I was saying about the The untolds thought you were the one telling me. No, I was saying about the untolds.

That's the one. Those are good. Yeah, but yeah, some of these are way too depressing. This one was fascinating. Okay, I'll have to get on that. Now for the TCC, most exciting part of the night here. This is the only thing TCC wanted to add to the agenda for this week.

Take it away. Golf Digest ran this Jupiter article. Like Jupiter's the, you know, center of the golf universe. And the article was whatever. Shipknock wrote it. It felt like it was some reheated piece that, you know, has been written a few times over the years from different people, including Shipknock himself, I think at golf, cough.com. But the pictures included in the spread, which they did a photo shoot. What was the place called? I don't want to know.

The thousand club or something like that. That was the restaurant that was talked about in the piece. I don't know if that's where they did the photos as well. But I guess they have fireball apparently for Dustin Johnson. Yeah, they, uh, so- And his wife, Irka Fee on set. Yeah, so the, and, you know, it was this like wine couple and then a moderate shot was in the pictures.

It's like the whole thing was just so bizarre. It's just a, here, we trying to make golf look even more leotic than it is. It's a tough, tough juxtaposition between the headline, uh, behind the scenes of golf's coolest town, with like the richest, youngest golfers all hanging with a bunch of 60 year old investment bankers. Like, no, like 75 year old.

That, no offense to anyone, but that doesn't look cool. Capital see cool. I'm not saying I'm an arbiter of what's cooler now, but having a bunch of wine bar, just crushing a bunch of wine with these 60 or 70 year old dudes, not my idea of like a great time. They could have done this down at like one of the Tiki bars or on somebody on burgers boat or something

or at the woods Jupiter and it would have like looked a lot cooler. Meanwhile, it's like Rory looks like somebody once he, like, he looks miserable. In these brussels there with Janice Sims, who seems to be, you know, she may have been like the one that led this, this charge for this article.

It's just the whole thing, Ernie L's and his wife for there. This also looks like something that they would never actually do if not for this photo shoot. No, the photo, I don't know how long it's gonna take me to get over this, but the photo where Rory's handing looks like some sort of mojito,

maybe to caperinha. Possibly to Brooks at Roy's bar tending for some reason. It just, it looks like a pure advertisement, right? It looks like a make-al-able. Stock photo. Yes, it looks like a stock photo. And it is just, I don't know how they got these guys to agree to do this.

I don't be there. That is just weird. That was like, I was asking you too. I'm like, is, you know, I don't think either of them has a contract with golf digest, do they? I don't know that I know of. I don't know. It might be like playing editors or something

if they still do that. They took some shots at the weight staff at the woods. Hate that. I hated that. Which was really, you know, that pissed me off a little bit. They didn't mention that the waiters at the West Jeverware White belt also, which they do. At least they did last time. You know, and that's got to hit home for a cat too, because I think his girlfriend was.

She was mentioned. She's a former manager. Yeah, one of the managers there. It's a wild, wild piece. I don't really know what the point was. No. Certainly very much haves and haves even amongst the professional golfers.

I actually found that part to be kind of interesting of like, that's the only interesting thing to me. To me, I think. I think it's like, even if you mentioned die preserve, you were like, doesn't her two guys play and practice out of? There's a dig deeper into that, like the clicks, right?

The dynamic of private jets and how that has shaped made it more popular and stuff. I found that little history of how it became a hotbed pretty interesting and why more Europeans or in Orlando, like I kind of tangentially knew that. That was interesting. That connected. I found that interesting.

What they didn't answer, what I needed is, is there a direct flight to King Abdul economic city from West Palm? Because that could change the future of golf. Well, depending if you're going over the North Pole to it, it might be easier for co-crackers getting there for Vegas. They could probably take the Singapore air flight. Exactly. They could go on the other way. Yeah, I'm with you. I don't, you know, the story is about how awesome awesome people are is that that's not really my favorite event. Even people who live in Jupiter were reaching out on social.

They're like, hey, like this is fucking, like Jupiter's fucking weird, man. It is, it's a weird event. Yeah, we need to be on the record here. No offense to anyone, you know, Jupiter sucks. Like, that whole scene is awful. And it like, as I think this piece... The picture, like, has the picture,

I think probably kind of illustrates. Awesome place, probably, if you have like, $50 million. Yes. Awesome place. Outside of that, which they only dove into like, a little bit, it's horrible. It's, it's...

I didn't appreciate it. They took a little shot at Jacksonville in there too. Yeah. Jacksonville's so much better. Yeah. That's, yeah. I don't know. I would say Pana Vigia and Jack's Beach and Atlantic Beach is so much better. I don't think, hey, be careful.

I look in Jacksonville. No, I mean, I have a Jacksonville out towards the beach. One question I had too. Did Berger drive his boat to the Bahamas? 55 nautical miles. I mean, like I have friends that, that'll go down like they'll, they'll go from here to steward

or here to Palm Beach and then cut over in the Bahamas and all you gotta do is have like two. Now a picture of T.C. They had a Bahamu in whatever. People like this. No, you're boating friends. No, like, you know, like I might need a Photoshop T.C. into some of these pictures.

My fishing friends, guys. Come on. The guy's TC hangs out with doubt of the docs. The Steve Bors. Not the port. All right. This is a vodka. No, I mean, but like, yeah, like I'm the gentleman.

Yeah, we're going back and forth. The bar was three, four times a week. I'm not genuinely curious how Daniel Berger got to Albany. Did he watch the space for further updates? If he's, if you hear updates? I checked his TV here. Or his DB-Straight 5 on Instagram. I mean, I guess it was like a 12 minute flight, probably, right? Probably just hopped on.

Yeah, that's such a fun boat ride though. You can fish on the way over and you have your boat there the whole way. Well, it sounds like he's not a good fisherman. Luke Donald's shitting over. Oh, grossed it. Yeah, I thought that was unfair. Like Luke Donald knows what the fuck he's talking about.

Sishing lines. He's probably fishing up on Lake Michigan. Yeah. All right, let's get to form the one. The bone saw class, grade pre. You know what? Before we get there, you gotta give a shout out to the Hogard twins. I do.

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So it's a 20 man field of which maybe 12 guys are there to really plug off. After day one at least. Yeah, and maybe eight after day two. That's tough, man. It's like two foursums. Think about that. It's like us doing a Thursday game

and giving out world ranking points for it. I have thoughts on this. I'm just like that. One, any collection of this many of the top players in the world is going to get one. It's a cat too. He's going to get Royal ranking points. Sure.

Cat's a needle. I don't have a problem with Royal ranking points. I have a problem with this many Royal ranking points. It's not that many though is the thing. Well, here's the, it's more than like one of the flagship events in the European tour, but it's not like it doesn't have any players in it even. Right. Like that's the whole thing here is like the who won the, who won the D.P.

the dude perfect world tour championship. A dude that doesn't even play that event play that tour. It was more a coward. Yeah. Like there weren't any players in that, any, there are a few good players. Like, ROM skipped it. Like, it's not it was not a good field.

Like that, I struggle with like just, I mean, just because it was the finale event, doesn't mean that there were good players in the field. Well, correct me if I'm wrong here, but like, it's not like there's some committee just like doling out point, right? Is it all just like math based on like world ranking of players in the field? Unless you are a flagship event and you auto default to a bigger amount. So the two issues that I have and a lot of people have, not very many

people, nobody really cares. Any people who say have with the European tour is one that be able to be PGA championship defaults. It's a flagship event defaults to a 54 higher place. Yes. Then it should regardless of the field, they get a lot of points with that one. One and events that don't reach a minimum threshold of strength of field default to giving 24 points to the winner. That's the minimum amount. Minimum out. You can have one top 10 player or one top 200 player in your field or you could have 20 top

200 players and you automatically get the same amount of points. I agree that the bottom half of the European tour, those events get too many points. I will totally give you that. But to say that the dude perfect world tour championship in Dubai didn't have any good players, like Matt Fitzpatrick. But that's Bob Maggatire. Accurately reflected in the strength of field. Holder, the McRib.

That's all sacked today. Paul Kaxter, Shane Lowry, Horsefield, Peters. So I think our fundamental disagreement here, and I wrote this down specifically for you, Tron. Is the only way this, I agree with you, of course. Like, yeah, this is a 20 person, like not serious event, like this is dumb. But, like the system's the system.

Like, you know, if you're gonna have some sort of consistent system, this is, the shit's gonna happen. Unless you go to like a death panel, like situation, you go to an OWGR panel, who's actually like doling out points, but I don't think that's a good way to do that. I just think stuff that's not a part

of your regular season, like this is, this is truly one of the only silly season events that are left anymore. Like they're not giving out OWJR points for the QBE shark shootout or whatever. Correct. So one other thing, so we've. It's gonna become an Asian Tour event.

We've talked a lot about the bias in the system, bias being stronger towards Asian tour and European tour. The fear at least from Mark Brody is that the bias is 40 to 50% bigger at the end of seasons than it is in the middle of seasons, right? Because European tour season lags pretty long. They get better strength to field events into this fall. The hero world challenge, even with that factored in, the bias is still even stronger at this time of year. And this time of year is extremely important towards rounding out the top 50, which we saw

Min Mouli and Tsukumi Kanaya get qualified now for the masters. As they should. I told you he was coming. I told you he was coming. He's literally coming because he's manipulated his way to the top. So he finished T for it. The Casio or the Dunlop Phoenix couple weeks ago. Okay.

Exactly. We stand down. Exactly. I just think at some point, like, I think there's an elephant in the room here that's not being discussed. We're like, how did they pick the people from this jukefoam? No, if all of them tell that to, if all the best, like ostensibly outside of the British Open and BMW, PGA, and maybe Abu Dhabi or something like that,

like all the other tournaments are in the US. That's a distinct disadvantage for everybody that's not American, right? You're either coming here to play majors or big events and kind of disrupting your own schedule. Like I think that's a big American, right? You're either coming here to play majors or big events and kind of disrupting your own schedule. Like I think that's a big deal, right? And that's where you're getting a boost for playing European tour.

That boost is provided, right? Yeah, it's where like the money is here. So people come here to play, but that doesn't mean that like the other, like at some point, you're gonna create a closed system. It's gonna get more closed with the new updates to it for sure. But it's going to reward stronger players for it. It's just like the gravity. It's just everything's going to gravitate more and more towards here. Which yeah, that'll be interesting

to see how Big J kind of keeps Jerry mandering it to like make it more of a closed system and make it like, you know, like the strategic alliance is truly feeding the PGA tour, you know. Yep. On to the bone saw Grand Prix as promised. Oh, I did want to give a shout out to Pauline Rusen Bouchard as well. She's absolutely killing people at LPGA tour Q school. Just really, really solid. I'm excited to watch her career take off.

I missed a lot of the race today. I was trying to keep up, really sorry. I'm excited to watch her career take off. I missed a lot of the race today. Was trying to keep up. Catch up. Streams are going in and out on the plane today. Was it the greatest horrible race ever? Was it the worst great race ever? I don't even know what to think. It had zero rhythm to it.

It was controversy filled. I take me there. It was a good bad race. Not a bad good race. Yeah. I tweeted something that it felt like the entire race was like the T-shot on 18 at Augusta, like, but for 72 holes. Which did that cause some chaos for sure.

Did the chaos see a little like manufacturer didn't kind of stupid at a lot of times? Also yes. Which is like to hear Hamilton afterwards be like, amazing track, incredible track. Yeah, you won of course. like amazing track incredible track like you know Yeah, you won of course really like that you know like they like the it did look like an incredible track It just I was texting you guys. I don't know if they knew like 20 cars were all gonna be on the track at the same time

Like there was no room. It was like it was like if the fuzz did did updates to Saoali It just it looked like really really narrow Just looked like a place to have there's one car just trying to go as fast as he could, a private super foot and trying to like pass and every wreck is going to be at minimum safety car and you know, it's not so much to play on the track. It was crazy and then they couldn't, when they red flagged it the first time, because they didn't know how damaged the wall was or whatever, which I guess that was the same spot, the same turn that had...

Leclerc and Hrash just like, yeah. Yeah, so that was a problem spot. They knew it was gonna be, and it seemed like they were kinda slow to realize, like, hey, we gotta rebuild this thing or that. So it was yellow flagged for so long that guys were formulating their pitch strategy, and then, I don't know,

I just, it's such a bad rule to me that, like, and I know it's benefited Hamilton several times this year, benefited Max this time, but like, the fact that you can change your tires on a red flag, just seems kind of, it's like, it's like a rain delay for golf. And you know what, like, I'm gonna change up my wedge setup because-

But it seems way safer than going into the pits sitting there for an hour or something on worn tires. Like basically like forcing somebody to go out on on tires that are worn after a long break seems pretty dangerous. I don't know everything about tires. But like and also there's like shit on the track from a crash or something. You know, it like if you drove through the crash or something, you might. You should have an opportunity to.

Yeah. Yeah. It was a gamble for Red Bull to, you know, go in and not pit when the safety car came out and they basically banking on another safety car coming at some point, which was really funny. The answer is that even like before the race started, like there was palpable like nervousness.

Yeah. Just like, fuck man, somebody might die today. It was just gonna be okay. Yeah, watching qualifying was nerve-wracking. Like it's just too tight. The walls, yeah, it was a fast, second fastest track of the year and there's a street track with walls closing in on you like Monaco. It just, it was uncomfortable the whole time.

It was, I did not enjoy the parts that I was able to watch. The whole pre-race was, was super interesting. The ZAR like MBS is rolling around down there. was able to watch. The whole pre-race was super interesting, bizarre, like, MBS is rolling around down there, brundles, you know, just, yo, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki,uki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki,uki, yuki, yuki,uki, yuki, yuki, yuki, yuki,uki, yuki, yuki, y. I missed the, like drone graphics up in the sky and stuff. And, but like all the lights were off. And I think Charlotte, Charlotte Claire was like, do we need to hook up a generator? The young Monogask.

It's been a MBS. They need to not let Max and MBS hang out together. That would be a bad combo. Fisher M24 was today peak sociopath path from Verstappen. It was nuts. I was my jaw was on the floor at some of the stuff. I mean, mostly just, I know we were talking about it before. I don't have a good enough read.

I just don't know the rules good enough about all the like intentional passing and how the communications work on that. And if they had just miscommunicated when he kind of break checked them, but some of the passes were just like, holy shit, this guy doesn't even even Lewis on the radio. I was like, this guy is crazy. Yeah.

That was insane. Where, you know, I think that, but that's, you know, one could argue that's greatness or it's madness, but I think I don't know the whole thing with the the pass. It seemed like he did Slow down quite a bit more than Well, so here's where I don't know enough about the strategy of what this would be, but it seemed like they said to him give the spot back, but do it strategically. Like do it right in front of a D.R.S. So Max is wants him to pass at a certain spot, right? And Hamilton, whether he knows or doesn't know

that Hamilton's, or that Max is letting him buy, doesn't want to do it in the exact spot that Max does. It's so Max maybe forces the issue to say, like, no, you're going by now. If you want the spot, I'm giving it to you right now. And it truly just seemed like, you're walking by somebody on the street, like, one of you goes left and you both go left and then you both go right and you just

fall all over each other and you laugh about it. That's what it felt like. It was kind of like a go ahead, go around or I'm kind of drifting towards the middle. And I was I think with most people, I feel that way, but like it's max and he's, he's batshit crazy. Well, it just seemed like a weird thing to try to get away with. Did they confirm that he hit the brakes? Because from the on screen, it looks like he just shifts down gears several times on that straightaway. So it's just like, he's slowing down through the gears more than he was the brake. But even like, it wouldn't.

Essentially be the same thing. Wouldn't you just get over instead of slowing down that much? Wouldn't you get over because in order to... I think you don't want to slow down that much because you're going to get left in the dust. That's what's strange to me about it, right? Wouldn't you just get over a little bit, slow down the tab, but not the monster.

There's a strategy to letting him pass you, but not letting him get too much speed doing it. Exactly. So, I don't know. It just seems like, that's just a weird thing in for me the one of like, yeah, go give him the place. Just let him take the lead. It's kind of arbitrary. Can you pass them right back? like that's just a weird thing in for me the one of like, yeah, go give him the place. Like, just let him take the lead.

It's kind of arbitrary as to, you know, can I, can you pass them right back? Like I was also laughing out loud. What do you let him pass for like a second? And I just took it right back. I was good stuff. It probably didn't matter. Like I don't think his tires were going to work near the end

anyways, but it just was, it just seems like whenever there's touching, whenever there's anything, it just feels like it always goes Hamilton's way. Like, I don't know how many, like he just, I don't know how it keeps happening, but it just seems like whenever there's gonna be a collision or something go wrong, it's never gonna be Hamilton that like bites, it ends up eating it.

Yeah. It just, I know he's like the greatest effort and obviously an incredible racer. I'm not saying it's all luck, but it just seems like when push comes to Chevy gets his way How about the fact that they're literally tied going into the 3.69 and a half to 3.69 and a half or something? Max Rexham and neither of them finishes which I like low key like that's where I max going for some of those passes today I'm like I'm either getting the spot or we both wrecked. And both of those are good, good for me.

So what do you want to do, man? Like, you got to make a decision. So next week's going to be even more insane. I mean, the race probably isn't going to be very good. The track is... No, allegedly, they've made a bunch of changes. I was essentially equating it to Belary, like to, you know, having the major or the FedEx cup

at like TPC Twin Cities, or the major or the FedEx cup at like TPC Twin Cities are going to Belory or something, people are like, no, they made a bunch of changes, the Fuzz came in, and, you know, they- Added some waterfalls. Yeah, but, so I'm excited for that. I think it constructors standings,

it seems like Mercedes is well in control of that. They're up 28 points there. Big, big finish from Terry Boatass today. Your boy O'Conn got tracked down. Crazy to see, you know, the guy in the best car. Yeah, the underrated Mercedes crazy to see him pass O'Conn at the last second. It was a weird race, fun, jokking. I don't like when all the rules and arguing gets involved in Toto and this bitching and throwing headsets and all that stuff, but Toto's reaction was fantastic though. It was. It didn't end up like.

Then he went down to the, he went down the pit lane and, Michael, Michael. They both got called into the stewards afterwards, right? And Max got a two point penalty plus another 10 seconds, two point like driver penalty, which means nothing in 10 seconds, two point driver penalty, which means nothing in 10 seconds did nothing to the race. To those points, are they season to season two? I think it resets at the beginning of each season, I think.

Ricardo, I feel like Ricardo does well on tracks where you can't pass people. Seems like pretty. I was sitting there watching with Freddy today. He was rooting hard for the Ferraris all day. It was the first race I've watched all the way through. It means like, the head out of the red car. I'm like, Freddie, the red car's an 11.

I don't even need to get points. Freddie, your car sucks. Tensionally, you know, last race coming up of kind of the current era. Yeah. The era system. Which is ironic that it's like one of the great seasons ever and they're gonna change up everything with the cars.

And it's been a joy to have a real race at the top for the one of two seasons that I've followed this more finally. Finally we got it. Long away. Last night I watched the Schumacher documentary. I need to go back and rewatch the center one. I haven't watched that for a couple of years,

but the Sch marker went, like if it felt like kind of with Max and Lewis right now, it felt like very similar to shoe markers, like one of those initial seasons when, when Senna died actually. Like he was, you know, it was like that changing of the guard, that baton passing. Who wins next week?

I don't know enough about the track, I guess. Like I don't know, I'm sure it favors one of them, but I don't know. I don't know what you're, I mean, I'll say max just because there's no consequence. Yeah, it seems like the, when push comes to the show, like he's pretty clear, like you said, to play Russian roulette.

And it's like, you know, we both go out, man, like I win, so whatever. I think he's gonna be unhinged. Some Terry Boatass, like, you know. Yeah, some defense. Some protecting him. Yeah. There's almost no one racing for much of anything

in terms of like Boatass is stuck in third no matter what. LeClair and Lando can kind of go head to head for fifth place. Signs is involved in that too, but like there's not many others that are close, Ocon and Alonzo are close for 10th and 11th. So like, I don't know if they'll get out of the way and let them settle it or what's going to happen next week, but we'll find out. So I'd love to see some stuff from Haas. I'd love to see some from Haas. It was a tough scene today with Mick. That was a pretty substantial. Shit, the crash in F2 before the race was like, holy shit, they got to go to the hospital, all of it.

It was nuts. Soapbox real quick. Have you guys heard about this elf on the shelf, Bullshit? Of course, yeah. I had to do it the last three or four mornings. It's crazy. What do you have to do?

There's props, there's little costumes. I thought the whole thing, it was supposed to be, it just sits on the shelf, and if you do something bad, he reports the sandstone. Yeah, that's what it's supposed to be, but they've upgraded it and upgraded it. The Christmas industrial complex. Where now, like, you know what I'm saying?

Where these little props, there's these little snowballs that I had to attach to his hands the other day and put a little pile of snowballs, and he got into a snowball fight with the other elf or there was a role. Do you have to make up these stories or they come pre-packaged? They come pre-packaged. Imagine that.

You can have some living with it or whatever. But I had to put a robe on him the other day. Like he just got out of the shower. It was ridiculous. I'm out of this. These kids, man, they're super helpful, though. Freddie was being bad. And then I was like, Freddie, the elf's like, he's coming back to the North Bolton, man. Like, who do you think he's going to talk to? He's like, exactly. He's like, oh, you're right. That's shit. I didn't think about that. All right. Well, thank you, everyone,

for tuning in. We will be, we have a lot more episodes coming up before the end of the year, but I don't think we're gonna get down and do much more new stuff. Got some good topic based up coming up here as well as holiday medley, interviews, all that good stuff, but thank you, gentlemen, for wonderful Sunday evening. Start off the new year is gonna come in and hot and heavy. It's gonna be awesome when we're back here for a capillaries.

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