No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 513: Sony Recap with KVV

Episode Date: January 17, 2022

Soly and Tron are joined by longtime friend of the program Kevin Van Valkenburg to recap the wild finish in Hawaii as Hideki wins with an unbelievable shot on the first playoff hole. Plus a look ahead to the LPGA season opener, this week's announcements surrounding the PGA Tour Netflix series, recent developments around the Saudi event and a ton of listener questions.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Lang-A podcast, Sala here, joined across the table. Late night edition, this is probably the latest week of the year. TC is here, hello TC.

Hello, good morning, good evening, almost morning. And good to be back. Haven't been on in a while. It has been a little while and a very special guest that he just informed us for the first time here in the studio at the Killhouse from ESPN. Mr. Kevin Van Volkberg KVV. Hello. How are we, sir?

Good evening, solid. What a thrill to have you here. Rayden, million Jacksonville and decided to join the pod today. So excited to be here. I've, I've now appeared on like the regular pod, the, the trap draw, the pod today. So excited to be here. I've now appeared on the regular pod, the trap draw, the perfect club, strapped,

and now the rapa pod. So I feel like I'm halfway to an egot or whatever it is. You've been on rapa pods. They've just always been at random locations. Like, just rider cups or PGA or something like that. So this is a whole different thing. Glad to have you here. We did spend a little time here in the studio this past week

because we were back in the film room dissecting Neil and I played in the FSGA ForSums event. That included a spirited discussion on which golf ball we were gonna play. Icarito and I played different golf balls. I played the Crumpsoft, he plays the Crumpsoft X. That content is gonna be coming. You may have also seen Callie refresh the Crumpsoft family for 2022. They're all new chrome soft chrome soft X's and

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Go to cowway golf.com slash chrome soft. That's calloway golf.com slash chrome soft Sally, I'm so excited to get you into the X this year. Oh my god soft golf ball man. I'm gonna get you like Dante Hall throwing up the end. Now I like the soft golf ball. I need it for the field Feel is overrated what I hear because you distance Normal rounds of golf, it's no big deal. But under the gun, it's a little different when you got like the sliding eight footer with a golf ball that just feels a little firm. It just, it makes a difference. It really does.

I never thought I'd be that guy, but I feel like I'm not as like a nine-handicke. I totally feel like. Just the feel is real. Uh, not the most exciting week at the Sony Open until the last hour. So I thought we were going to have to start with TC's Kevin Nah Fatwa, which I think we're going to get to at some point. I don't want to lead with that. We're not leading with that.

Two controversial. Can we lead with what is truly an iconic golf shot that Hadek you just hit into the 18th hole at Y-Li, about five minutes ago, as we go to record this, 277 yards. I just tweeted this next, and you're next round of golf. First hole, go to a spot, 277 yards away, and just go look through the, like look at the pin, how far away that looks

to remind yourself how absurd that shot was. Or if you're straight into the sun and you can't even see where the pin is, just think about that added degree of difficulty. Observed. Eighth career win for a deck, He shoots 63, 63 on the weekend. I'm not going to say, Hadek, you learned how to put it. He led the field in the strokes game.

Pudding this past week. I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means. But that is even after the, like, he missed a pretty short birdie put on 16. He had a good bet. He does this from time to time. He'll put a hot week together and he usually does win. He is that good of a ball striker, but yeah,

it was, that was quite impressive way to, to finish that. He was in the drive on the, in regulation. The drive on regulation. That was uncomfortably close to the team marker. We were playing with Josh Scooby one time. Josh Lambo.

Oh, yeah. Josh Lambo had a Jack's Beach one time and he had cheated out. He's a relative beginner. He teated up close to the team marker and blew up the team marker. It was one of the most disconcerting things I've ever seen. Second most famous thing that Josh Lambo is famous for this year. He's one of those guys, man, am I glad I put golf on him. You could have broke the herb story.

All those years, that could have been huge for the Yeah. Anyway. Don't get me off track with I can't. I'm sorry. Don't want to roll here. Just start dropping urban Myer. It takes just throw it all you. Are we feeling bad for Russell Henley tonight? No. Now, I mean like look at the guys career. I was just say where does where does he rank on the Charles House scale as far as you know tight's Tiger Woods, made a lot of money and golf completely recognizable everywhere you go. Charles Hall made a lot of money and golf, not recognizable everywhere you go.

He's pretty close to Hall. I would say. I mean, Hall's older, obviously, and made a lot more money, but. I think you got a factor in stress level, right? Like it's money earned, it's longevity, and then stress level is in there. And like, Henley doesn't seem like he's ever

even come close to losing his tour card. Which factors in so much, because that's quality of life and peace of mind and all that. Just, I always think about that Honda, he had against Rory, right? Where Rory hit the unbelievable five wood to five feet or whatever in the last hole that had been Russell still won. It's like the most iconic moment of Russell's career.

I didn't think about someone else. So that's probably a good measure for his impact overall. But Russell, Henley career earnings. What is it? I'd say probably like $28 million. $23. 18.6 going into this week. I assume so eight.

1973 probably something like that. But I would have thought a little higher as well. He's been he's 32 years old now. Turn pro in 2011. So this is his his beloved professional golf year. That's I mean, he's done quite well for himself. I was. tendencies.

Like is it kind of feast or famine or is it, you know, banqu a lot like kind of consistent cuts made? It's very consistent cuts made, but Sean Martin had a great thing. He was he tweeted today just talking about in Kyle Porter tweet something too about how much Russell Henley has improved year over year and stroke scheme approach. And now being one of the best iron players on tour. But he talked about, you know, how did you improve that as a swing change?

Whatever it is. This is Spartans question that he asked him. And he just said, like, no, I just practiced totally different. He has a track man and like, track man will spit out a number at at you. And like, he just works on like trying to hit that number and just like playing more games on the range instead of just honing in your swing, like getting your distances dialed and learning to hit hit certain targets, hit certain numbers has made him a really, really good iron player.

It sounds like he's going gonna work with golf blueprint. Golf blueprint, we tweeted it too, with like, hey, this is how you create, you know, good practice habits, if you will. The rap solo, if you don't have a trackman. There you go, look at KVV, welcome to the studio. Smooth, right? Try to play.

Neither of them are sponsoring the show today, but they get some shout out. It's interesting, he's something for you. Like going back through his stuff, he's been on tour full time since 2012. Eight missed cuts his first year, eight missed cuts his second year, 11's third year, and then four in 2015, 13 in 2016, three in 2017,

and then double digits again in 2018, 2019, and then back to back, you know, years with five or six. So it's like he's trending more consistently and he seems like he's a firm top 100 player now instead of just kind of yo-yoing back and forth. Yeah, I kind of, he's a popular guy amongst betters and DFS players because he is pretty consistent and he, you know, he's going to get you a bunch of top 25s. And I feel like I see DFS stuff almost on a weekly basis of it's awesome stuff today.

It's like this is the full Russell him the experience you're getting today. I mean, he went out in 29. I know like he shot one over on the back nine and all it would have taken is to shoot even par and you close the door and win the golf tournament. So in that regard, I don't feel bad for him but managed just freaking hard.

It is just 54 whole liter, shot 65 didn't win. I mean, that's tough. Yeah. He's pretty course-agnostic too, right? Like he's a pretty versatile player, although he feeds on some of the shorter courses. So I'm glad to see Hadecki. I mean, Hadecki was really the only star in the field, if you will. He was the, I believe, the highest ranked player in the field. It's kind of a kind of a weaker field this year. Is that the bone saw effect? Guys, that's in their schedules to, you know, maybe, you know, I look, I have a reiner take.

Oh, go ahead. Reiner courses. I think we all fans just aren't great TV. It's not great on TV. The subtleties, right? Like it that we stand on a, uh, a rena course as a player. You're like, oh, God, this is awesome. Just doesn't like really translate that well, the TV.

You can kind of say the same thing about Ross too. Maybe, yeah. I mean, some of it's just classic courses that don't have a whole lot of, like, texture to them where, you know, is it safe to say though with why, like, I don't know the full history of it, but when watch it doesn't pop like a rain it doesn't seem like a rain or to me even the redan 17th is not too redan E the bear it's is pretty weak like it just it at least seems like it's lost a lot of its Rainer edges over the years some holes are different from that outing built the hotel and the best piece Yeah, it's just such a myth thing after the after the tournament champions, right? Like you get the amazing couple of like dramatic changes

You the visuals and then like you're looking at an office park in a lot of ways that wildlife So like I don't want to like dump on it too much because I'm sure like the it's a fun course to play if you're there in Hawaii and Office parks harsh Office Parks harsh. We're not talking about FedEx. It's so cute. Let me think I got a little over the skis there. I got a little little shook by those urban myertakes. I guess Tories is an office park.

Yeah, absolutely. We got a question from Steven Spire's one. He said, is it time to retire Y-Li? After last week's views, the Sony opened as a huge visual letdown. I'm going to say no to this because one, I do think it is refreshing to see a golf course that is not bomb and gouge. Like, I'm usually an anti-ruff guy. It was kind of interesting to have a little bit of thick rough today because there was a little firmness

around the greens and watching guys happen to hit like Russell Henley shot that he had to hit into. Was that 16 or no, 15 15 the long par four where he had to run one up I get a land of price 60 yards short of the green and finally ultimately got up towards the front of the green and that's and that's Well, they're pretty soft course this year relative to previous years correct So that I don't know I think it's nice when we get into this They'll you know the hotter part of the year and it just becomes a driving contest and it's a lot of TPCs I like wildlife in that regard is it kind of like you can pin your ears back the hotter part of the year and it just becomes a driving contest and it's a lot of TPCs. I like wildlife in that regard. You can pin your ears back, you can make a lot of birdies as it's low scores. I just think it has, I don't know, it's fun watching golf shots out there.

The wind also didn't blow last week or this week. That's a big component. I don't think we should penalize wildlife because TV is not very good at showing it off. Can we just go back in time and like rethink television, golf coverage in general. Could we just eliminate the like shot where the all you see is the ball in the sky? Who is that benefiting in any way? Like I'm sorry to like, no, it's the word.

It's a incredible skill that pays off in no way. Like I could never do that. I don't know how those guys do it. If you watch them in person, they just whip those cameras around, track the ball and yet the payoff is nothing. The only one that tracks the ball that's cool is when they do it from the blimp the plane cam or the plane. Yeah, I'm all in. That's super cool. But like the I'm standing in the middle of the fairway. The guy hits the ball and like immediately I lose side of the player. The balls in the air. It's I have no sense of where the trees are works where anything nothing, it's not just truly worthless as a,

like, a viewer, but that's like a classic TV golf shot that has become across all coverages. We're not talking about any network in particular, right? Maybe my own network. It's like, that's what they do. And I just don't see the value in it. Imagine like an NFL game where like, immediately you only saw the ball and didn't couldn't see the receiver breaking open

or anything, that's what I feel sometimes watching and I feel like I don't see the bottom receiver, I don't see, I think also there, like there was some cool, I think at least on the back nine, there was some cool stuff where like, it was, I'm not sure if it was just from a handheld, but different angles, I'm not sure. Kind of from an angle, almost a diagonal,

like a guy just standing beside the green and just throwing the camera up and you could see the thing coming down almost sideways. It was like, I just don't like towers. I don't like it when it just washes everything out. It flattens the hell out of everything. We're getting two into hamster damn too. Yeah, KVV, come on, you broke the code.

I thought coverage was actually pretty good this week. I enjoyed it. I think they got a great flow They've been a great first time be gentle. Yeah, come on. You got it. You got to coach me Do hamster damn for a reason? Otherwise it bleeds into the rest of the show looking at Hadecki Second win in three starts. I didn't really realize that. I mean going back to Zozo and I like I don't know I think he was six than fifth in the world, 2016, 2017, finished. And then he's kind of been solidly top 20, but not really beyond that. And it seems like he's been trending, trending, trending. He finished the year ranked 18th in the world.

He seems like he's finally made the leap, but his world ranking has. Kind of lost in the, not lost in the woods, but lost like lost in like should have been better for seven or eight years. The putting has been that bad though. Like the ball striking has never waved. You go look at those numbers. They're still there. And again, I think like we tend to forget. I honestly do think we like tend to forget about them because of his post shot reactions.

He always looks so frustrated on the golf course. Well, and if you actually go out and watch him hit balls in person, like he's two yards off line and he hates it. Like he's that good. I mean, it really, he's a special, special talent. I'm amazed. He's never changed his fundamentals when it comes to putting. Like that toe way off the ground has never looked natural. And listen, he just won the golf tournament

and led the field in the show's game putting. So what do I know? But like it's proven to not be very consistent and his ability to not let that bleed into other parts of his game is Extremely noteworthy to me. I would love to I think some players who were English isn't their first language. We suffer from like we don't understand enough or we don't even try to like talk to them enough and I would love to hear like All right, you must have done something in the last 18 months to sort of be a little bit more at least streaky

in putting or a little more consistent in putting. And like, what is that? Can you take me through the specifics of that? Because that would be interesting to me. It would be a really deep dive into like the mechanics of something, right? A way up on my bucket list of things to do with No Lang Up would be to like take a trip

with Hedecki and his interpreter for like a week around Japan. Like follow him through the Zozo for like a week around Japan, like follow him through the Zozo, like a week in the life at the Zozo in terms of like, again, people just don't, like you have to have restaurants shut down for him to go into, in Japan.

And he can walk around with, you know, none of that attention in the United States. It's gotta be such a weird dynamic for him. But. I remember I covered a couple of Yankees games back in the day when like Hedecki Matsui, or the Hedecki for him. Absolutely. I remember I covered a couple of Yankees games back in the day when like a decky Matsui or a decky Matsui. Yeah.

Matsui. Yeah. Whereas like, you know, there'd be 50 people from the Japanese media and like they're all clamoring for like one little thing, right? They want like something that they can write a story to send back home of like, oh, this is the thing. That's probably like what it's like for him, right? Like it's just an ex, there's one truly great Japanese golfer

and like they're gonna sort of, you know, overcover him and I imagine that's huge like fishbowl like back home like this. Who do you think is, nobody even knew who was married, right? Like he just was like, oh yeah, by the way, I got married. And he was like, oh, oh my God. There's a blew up, it was like a huge thing. Who do you think's bigger over there?

Otani or Hadekii right now? I would say Otani. Just cause baseball's the national sport. Yeah, but you know, I think it's true what they were when Hadekii won the Masters was like, this might be worth like $500 million in over the course of, or more in the course of his life because of like how much it means.

Like he'll probably be able to design golf courses there. Having no, probably not, I don't know whether he's like has any interest or knowledge of design, but like he could be hired to do that there forever. You know, as a result of like just, oh my God, the first master's winner, who's Japanese 100% like the interest would be there forever.

It's supposedly love sake. You should come out with a sake learn and sell it all over the world and like kind of like the you know, a Kassamigos or the you know, A-Banswers, Tequila or Medzkallor whatever, you'd kill it. I would drink it as a headache if you're listening. I would drink sake with you. For a good time. He's a huge listener.

Yeah. I think he probably, honestly, from what I'm saying, he probably, like, certainly understands English better than kind of what it's on. But I don't think we sometimes understand how hard it is to speak, like, fluently. And I totally understand why some of the guys like, no, I just would rather do an interpreter because I might be able to literally hear every single question in English. like fluently, and I totally understand why some of the guys like, no, I just would rather do an interpreter because I might be able to literally hear every single question in English

and I could maybe answer it, but it just, you know, I got, I took like four years of high school Spanish and two years of college, and if someone asked me to like speak in Spanish and like any sort of way, it's just, it's truly remarkable when, guys are like, like, like, ROM being able to be clever and funny and insightful

in English to me is like a really truly underrated thing. Yes. That's because he learned it from Dr. Dre. I mean, his vocab too is before out of our Dre. I don't know if you know that, but I remember when I was falling Ram in 2017 at the Irish Open and he like, he had a chip shopper from right around a bunker and he came back to his caddy. Yeah, that lie was really dicey.

I was, that was, you know, almost five years ago now at this point, like he was just becoming a pro and like, has any been in Arizona state I know is, is, you know, English was improving and improving, but like he took it on as a thing that he was gonna master. He said he didn't like speak any English when he came to the US or he thought his English was good. He'd tell the story of the podcast maybe four or five years ago, just, I came over, I thought it'd be good enough and I couldn't even like hold a basic conversation.

The first time I ever talked to him was at the US Open at Aaron Hills. And I was like, I'm going to write a story about John Romes, like, temper. My editor's time was like, what if he doesn't show his temper? I was like, trust me. Good. And that was the thing where he infamously like punched a sign and threw a rake and like threw a golf ball into the pond and like completely flipped out over. And so I went up to him afterwards and I was like, I don't know how to approach him about

this, but I'm going to like try to do it. And I was like, Hey, John, you know, like I'm sort of interested in writing about this. And I want you to know that like I have a temper on the golf course sometimes too. And so I'm not, I got some video highlights. Exactly. As you both know, I was like, I'm not coming this from a place of condescension because I really want to know like, how do you deal with this? Oh, I was like, oh, Kevin, like I'm sometimes like a cook bottle. You just like, shake me up and I just explode. I was like, yeah, I get it.

Like, I totally understand. And it was, I was like, wow, that's like really good for someone who like literally three years ago, good and speaking. Yeah, he's 22 or whatever time. Shake the up like a Coke bottle. First one, give a shout to Keated Naka, Jimin now that we're on the the four employers topic. Number one, Amon, the world made the cut. He had a tough Saturday. He was top five, I think, in the field heading into the weekend. I didn't see how he finished up today, but that was a noteworthy performance. And listen, I wanna say I'm bummed that Takumi Kanaya did not make the cut. I wanna apologize on his behalf.

Did he get any well-ranking points for that? Or TBD, okay. Okay. Although I don't know, I got to all these doubts about the world ranking now because this was Hedecki's third win, Masters, Zozo. I guess the Zozo was a weak field last year,

but even then, he went from 25th to 14th when he won the Masters, and then he went from 19th after the CJ to 12th when he won the Zozzo, and then he was back to 19th last week as of the century. It just seems like you would, like I would assume this one gets him close to the top 10, but you would think three wins, including a major in a 12 month, or really like a nine or 10 month span,

would net you top 10 in the world. I think I have a TCR. Are you, are you, are you saying we should open up the books here and take a look at the official World Golf rankings? This is, talk about that. My question is related to this. Is the official golf world, official world, of rankings, it's might being hard to say. Is the official golf world official world of rankings,

it's might being hard to say. Is it just a computer, or is there like a bunch of dudes there? Like what is it, you know, how do they, is it some people with an abacus? Okay, it's a formula. But does the official world golf rankings is it like self-funded?

It's on the blockchain, I think. Oh, no, you, oh, well, now you're getting into, we can talk about this when we get to Saudi. Oh, well, that's, I wanna know who funds the funds the, the, the majors and the, and all the professional tours. Yeah. And we audit their books. Like, what, how do I think I think the PGL and the SGL are trying to?

It's a very shadow organization. Yeah. Never thought about who funds them. That's interesting. Follow the money. I mean, you can't like, fun, you can't fund what they do by just like having a website that we like refresh when we need it. There's gotta be some sort of like.

They're incorporated in the UK. I can tell you that. I think there was something where the PGA tour shepherded the PGA tour China and got ranking points ahead of when they should have. There's been a few things that if they could be, tried for some restraint of trade and they could, you know, anyway,

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between his legs behind him. Can I just either remind you or and or the listeners that the rule is it's until you're not breaking the rule until you're put on the clock, which is if there's a whole whole ahead of you. Just to be clear. That's a big key to your regulation, not the rules of golf.

The rules of golf state that you have 45 seconds to complete be clear. That's a big play. That's a big play. That's a big play. That's a big play. That's a big play. That's a big play. That's a big play. That's a big play. That's a big play. That's a big play. That's a big play.

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corner but is it? Hold on, hold on. Players should play at a prompt pace throughout the round. Players are both allowed and encouraged to play ready-golf in a safe and responsible way. It should make a stroke in no more than 40 seconds. Rule 5.6b. What's the penalty for not doing that?

Committee, let's see, that, that, that, that, that, pace of play, checkpoint holes. Any group that is out of position will be monitored by a rules rover But like at some point like how how like how are they not out of position today? So the definition of out of position is a full hole ahead of you Which is absurd right like is it like it basically gives the whole field license to play slowly within the game of golf I think it's gross not rocious within larger sports context. I think it raises a a philosophical question of whether it's gross, notatrocious. Within larger sports context, I think it raises

a philosophical question of whether it's up to the players to follow the rules or the officials to enforce the rules, right? So like, it's like the pistons deciding in the 90s are going to foul on every play because they can't call on it. Oh, they're not going to call it. So it's not up to us. Like word. So it's like in Kevin, Kevin, an awesome perspective perspective. He's saying, if they're're not gonna call me on it, why do I care? Or a drone poker's crew just doing a flag on every Correct and the Patriots had this mentality too right and then we're gonna basically just abuse the crap out of the Colts in the early 2000s or the mid 2000s like and they had it they changed the rules

So like oh well if the refs aren't gonna actually enforce the rules We're gonna tell like the if the Ps aren't going to actually enforce the rules, we're going to tell it. Like the, if the PGA tour wanted to, they could say, like, look, every single time you go over 47 seconds, you're going to get a stroke penalty. He would play faster. But in, from his perspective, he's probably like, why would I care? Like, no one's enforcing it. So I'm going to keep doing my thing. But I think that's part, it's kind of a, you know, subjective or objective of enforcement of back in the day, I guess, like, you know, guys on tour would come up to your locker and say, like, yeah, dude, like, that was

fucking unacceptable today. Yeah. Right. And, you know, that's not happening. And I think part of that is like, the cat was slow shit in some spots, you know? Don't get me wrong. I hate slow play as a faster player. When I'm playing with somebody that's slow, I feel rushed because I want to get us in because I hate looking back and seeing

guys with hands on their hips waiting on us to clear when I've not done anything wrong. I hate that. Like the who pays the price is the faster player. So that in that regard it sucks. That's what I think. The I would say the rule needs to be looked at. But I also it's just such a thing that's so hard to enforce, right? Like unless you're gonna time every player's shot in every circumstance and then like, what are the exceptions? If the win is blowing and you need to change clubs,

are you taking a shot penalty when you have to change? Are you gonna rush a shot just to get it in at 39.5 seconds instead of 40? It's just a tough, tough thing. So they've come up with this thing. If you're out of position and take over 40 seconds, like that's when you get in trouble. And it's not great, but I don't have a ready-made proposal

for like, here's what it should be. Yeah. But I would think with shot link at this point and all that, like, we know who the slow players are, right? And at some point, I think you can start enforcing things a little bit earlier or start identifying when a guy is out of position. Because to your point, Taylor Gouche or whomever Kevin Nas playing with on any given day

is like they're the ones being put in a shitty position. Because they're just as worried about their group. I think those guys should lay down their arms and say, you know what, I'm going to play slow as shit when I'm playing with this guy. It's the Keppka thing. And basically just make him rack up bad times because then he's gonna get fined, but it still doesn't come back to,

like the fines still aren't gonna match up with however much, you know, he's gaining as far as strokes go. It's like, the whole thing to me is, is unless you do strokes, nothing matters. Fines will never change it. Well, and also, like, my idea, I think last year or two years ago on this was like separate all PGA-tswar players into three fields. Green light, yellow light, red light.

Green is the fastest. Yellow is average, whatever. Red is slowest. And you only play, that is now your T-time reward. You play with green. And so all the red guys are going to play together and it's like, you guys better get moving. And green guys, you're going to get a better T-time. guys are going to play together and it's like you you guys better get moving and green guys Get crap T-time. You're gonna get a better T-time

You're gonna get better they should put just scene read in charge of Deciding you know the reds get you get the you get the the late early T-time or whatever So it's like getting bad like guys care about what time their T-times are if they get bad cycles like that is a way to Maybe force a little bit action. You don't want to be on the red list. You don't want to, and be playing only with slow players and be off last. I think that something like that is, you know, the fines and stroke penalties are the only options

right now and we don't ever see stroke penalties. I just struggle with nowhere. It's like, how can you watch that? And then, and, you know, people bring up, oh, he's, you know know he did such a good job of of getting his head in the game and and fixing this when he was having trouble taking the club back all that. Give him a lot of credit for that a few years ago and I was pretty vocal about that on the podcast right. But like this is fucking egregious man and it's like it's unacceptable and

it's unsporting like in my mind it it is cheating. Like you're you are putting like you are taking more time than allotted and putting everybody else in the field in the shitty spot. But he saves so much time by walking in the putts though. You got to think about that. You got to affect that. The best thing honestly is like Andy Johnson, maybe understand it. It was like if you give Tom Brady 11 seconds to throw the ball, of course he's going to find someone open. Yeah. Like the skill in your sport ought to be like, can you do it in the allotted time? There's a constraint, right? Yeah. So like Patrick Mahomes can make that read in three seconds. And

Dak Prescott can make it in seven. That's a great example. That's what makes Patrick Mahomes a better quarterback, right? You have to be able to do it quickly and process it quickly. And if you can't do it, there means you're not as good of a mental, like your mental skills at golf are not as good. That's part of the competition. Matt Jones, number one player in the world now. Well, so basically, what if I can sum up your thesis in one statement as your team, Grayson Murray? I wouldn't go that far. I mean, he blocked me. So my own teammate blocked me. I couldn't even see everybody was tagging me in.

Couldn't even see me was tweeting. The only way the situation could have got worse is it reactivated Grayson Murray. Bottom line though, like it's, I don't know, I just like, guys, there's a fatwa. All right. There's a fatwa. There's a, right now there's a fatwa on golf digest.

Okay. There's a fatwa on, I can't remember if it's on or off on Billy Horshaw. Yeah. I think it's on right now. Let's check the records. And then on Kevin Not right now. You know, as we've seen in the past, you can get your way

off the list. He's just so corny. Like I don't think he's going to get his way off the list because he's like everything he does is like the whole doesn't hold the whole Dustin Johnson thing. That was bad. So like he's just a fucking weasel man That was really bad. I can't stand him. He's a form ball. I thought he was coming around a little bit And then he pulled that move at the match play where he I forget exactly what it was he didn't

He like he get he had I didn't give you that he gave him like like a 30-wit. Yeah, whatever. And tried to pull some. Just so you're clear, I didn't give you that. Yeah, and that was weird. I enjoyed, he came on the podcast last year. I enjoyed chatting with him. I kind of gave him a little bit of grief here and there and he responded pretty well for me.

I kind of felt like he had turned the corner and got a little bit more self-aware, but it feels like we might be backtracking a little bit. I just, and like all the, you know, it's like, I wanna like James Han. James Han, like with the And like all the, you know, it's like, I, like, I want to like James Han. James Han, like with the, like all the walking in the putt stuff kind of reminds me of the James Han gangnam style thing. That's not his fault that he got replayed so many times.

He did it was. But it's the same thing with, it's the same thing with Kevin Knotts. Like every time you hear him, man, he walks in these putts, it's cool. Or like, you know, that's in answers, just ruining it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, hey man, like, you know, like, I don't, like I want to like you,

but you're making it tough. I like it when guys can get it around in a different way, right? So we all really like Kevin Nam, because it's different. Like he doesn't hate it that far. There's only so many courses he can beat at. His career is kind of remarkable. It's amazing. He's amazing.

But, you know, like, it's when you're dragging ass out there, like it's a frustrating thing. Yeah. Because I just, I totally do believe that has an effect, an outward effect on the rest of golf that when, when guys drag ass, like it's, it's why I'm sometimes out at playing in a muni and freaking Baltimore. And some dudes are taking 14 practice swings. Like, they were a whole and a half, almost two holes behind today. No consequence whatsoever.

As far as we know, I assume they were not put on the clock. I didn't see any update on that, but they did catch up eventually, because I was following it, right? Yeah, I was following it, but. It's like a, you know, two shot, par five, 18th hole, of course. Yeah, well, I mean, I slugger white set,

he didn't wanna make sure that some kids get, you know, family didn't go to go to college. That's how some cute kids, yeah. If you throw a stroke something, you could cost somebody. Well, now sluggers worried about, you know, kids going to go to go to college. Does have some cute kids. Yeah. If you throw a stroke, you could cost somebody. Well, now sluggers worried about, you know, kids going to the university of Riyadh. Can you do that? At the public city.

Well, yes, the Dina, my, my Dina A and M. Medina. Excuse me. But Dina number three, A. The, uh, at, yes, stayed a lot of feminist study. At yes, standing down said, was Kevin Nas clap back really that good, referring to Grayson,

Murray, if you did miss this somehow, Grayson, Murray tweeted, that something that basically what T.C. is saying, again, they're very well aligned here in a lot of aspects, say that, you know, he should get petalized for the slow played and Kevin knock clap backs at Erie's for the slowplay and Kevin Klaat back set, or he said the slowplay is getting old. Kevin Klaat back said, you missing the cut is getting old.

And it was like, yeah, that, and just not great. Everyone's like, oh, he buried out. I'm like, dude, that's like, that's legit a first grade comeback. You'll never guess what Kevin Klaat said. Click through this slideshow to find out. I said something like, you know, I couldn't see the reply.

I heard it was pretty. Grayson's always up to high school stuff though. Yeah. Moving on. God, Medina A&M, that got me pretty good. Anything else for boy life? Hayden Buckley. I'm impressed.

He's off to a really, really, really good start. You know who else we got to give a shout out to or else we're going to get scared. The shavest power. This power. Really good golf. 65, 65 on the weekend. Didn't win.

Did not win. He has played some, playing some excellent golf shout out to all of our friends over there in Ireland. Michael Thompson's beard, that deserves a shout out of some kind. That was, that was jarring. We got to talk about how Tong Lee. How Tong Lee just got off the range after his finish year at the Sodeo,

but he had a he shot one under today, which is moving backwards a little bit, T-12 for him. He had been in the freaking wilderness until he played well at the gun hole last year. I think he missed like, got on a 15 or 18 cuts in a row. Cause I mean, basically after the president's cup at Rural Malburn,

when he showed up completely unprepared, I think his physio was catting for him. Like, it was not a good situation, not taking it seriously at all. And then all of a sudden, he shows up. He's wearing this outrageous bucket hat and these glasses and how tongue-leazed back. He needs swing coach.

Shout out to Cam Smith for catching that big ass check and being like, yeah, mate, I'm not going another full right now. I'm just piecing out. No, he was me. He was me. He missed the cut. Yeah, as I'm saying, he was paired with Kevin Nah. Was he wearing a gun?

That's part of the fucking reason. Well, if you had just won like $2 million and like, you obviously don't, you're in Hawaii, so you're not just gonna go home so you don't withdraw from the tournament, but you're like, you're not gonna grind for the whole weekend. You're a mission is accomplished,

having one, you know, the century. Especially if you're a cam. Yeah, I'll count them for that. So I hope he had a few beverages, and I hope he just was like, yeah, whatever man. I'm just kind of like... That's a lock, I think. Adam Svensson with Tim Tucker on the bag finished 1700 T7. I don't know if that's

a long term thing. I know Svensson had Ted Scott on the bag in the fall. I believe as well. So he's really trying to recruit some of the he's a two time winner on the corn fairy tour last year, graduate from the corn fairy tour and and plans of good golf. And I don't know the connection there, but Tim Tucker, I'm just a band and shuttle thing. He is. He is. He still is. He's just, but Tim Tucker, just in that band and shuttle thing. He still is. It just, you know, he's an entrepreneur. Well, yeah, after they mutually parted ways, you know, he just maybe decided to get started to get back in the game.

Okay. He was all a sudden liquid as far. Slow week at band and it was like, oh, caddy in the Sony. Corey Conner shot a 64 today, finished 11th. I'm gonna, I'm gonna predict a big ass year for Corey Conner's on the pga or the LPG You guys are the worst. I dumbest joke DJ one time made a comment like he's got to get LPGA tour swing He's like the 10th best driver in the game of golf unreal. No, I know he like doesn't miss fairly. Yeah He's got LPGA for a game like it's a far though. He's a pretty far. It's a very very good

like it's a far though. He's a pretty far. It's a very, very good compliment. Okay. I kind of see where you're going, but it can be taken the wrong way. Conner's the one who, like they said, on the US opening, what a great putter he is. It's like 170th putter. Not a good putter. Yeah, it's really hard for me to get that.

I always think of like core Conner's being like a good putter because I've been misled by various. It's tough during the US open to when you can't pull up like readily stats. You know, I'm super curious to see how the farmers goes this year ending on a Saturday. I mean, we say it every year, but it's just a it's like a bummer. This tournament goes up against NFL football. Like it kind of felt silly to be watching calls this afternoon. So we're sure it's the farmers.

It's the farmers. I got it wrong. I thought it was waste management with the Super Bowl, which would also make a lot of sense, but they actually do a good job of getting waste waste management with the Super Bowl, which would also make a lot of sense, but they actually do do a good job getting waste management done before the Super Bowl kicks off. JB Holmes is playing. Unless JB Holmes is playing, but the farmers is what's moved up to Saturday finish, which I hope that works out well because the golden globes that JD Holmes delayed that one.

Oh my god. I think it's four of the Oscars. JD Holmes might have killed the Golden Globes. Like there's been no Golden Globes in like two years. I mean, it was stupid and, you know, me too, and erasism. Well, that's, but, uh, might have been JD Holmes too. That's what he ice-norin for like four to half minutes. That was, was it Norin? Yeah, it was Norin.

Okay. Which, you know, I don't think you were too torn up about that. Well, but, you know, well, I mean, Cream Rises, I'm sure he, mean, Cream rises. I'm sure he, you know, I'm sure he, you know, came through very shortly after that as a top 10 player in the world. I don't have the record in front of me when I'm sure he did. I do think there's a bone saw effect

on the schedule. All of the tournaments, I think. Where the, you know, you've got, it's a little early for that though, isn't it? It is, but, so that's going up against pebble, which is the first week in February. So you've got guys that are going to basically like, like who's playing American Express? I haven't looked at the field yet for that one, but I mean, basically the goal for the Sony Open should be to keep as many guys from

cap, cop, Alua as you possibly can. And they did not do a very good job. I listened to the push podcast. He was very mad at my pronunciation. Cop, Coppola, Coppola. They just did not retain much of it. I mean, JT won here by seven shots. And he's, he's not sticking around to play one more week. Like, I don't know, man, that's, that seems, that seems bizarre to me. But I struggled to, like, figure out what guys want to do with their schedule anyways, but it seems like a golf course that you play really well at. You'd want to play at more frequently, but yeah, they did not retain very many players

from century. I'll be super curious to see who plays Phoenix too. I think that's going to be the big like litmus test because I mean, everybody's going to play Riv. You're probably going to want to weak off between Saudi and RIF. So yeah, Phoenix is probably going to, I mean, everything around, both the week of and the week before and week after Saudi is going to be quite the price to pay. I reported, slash, that didn't really know, the rumor that the Saudi is not going to

air on golf channel. And no one has corrected me yet on that, which I would have thought would have gotten corrected if that was not true. So I will just again reiterate the rumor that the Saudi International might not be airing on golf channel. If that is air period, if that is wrong, they just, I don't know if the tour is flexing a muscle of some kind, it's an Asian tour event. They don't air a lot of Asian tour events, but a lot of the top players in the world will be playing there. I don't know if that's a strategic alliance thing, but please correct me if wrong. I do not know if this is true or not, but I've heard that rumor and no one corrected me

the last time I said it. It's Molly. Where are you? Please. Someone confirm it. I've reached out to to many sources and can't get an answer on that, but you should have mentioned as well, Kevin Kismar, T3 this week. Also made a little bit of news on the golf sub part podcast.

May I read some quotes to you? He was bemoaning being left off the Ryder Cup team. He said, I don't know, man, they don't like me, I guess. I've had the same phone call for about four cups in a row from about every captain, man, you're on the team. Then you didn't play well in the playoffs. Okay, but I don't know. I don't give a shit.

It's too political for me. I didn't really care. And I don't know, I don't give a shit. It's too political for me. I didn't really care and I don't get caught up in that shit. I love striker to death, but he didn't pick me this year, which I get, I didn't play worth a shit in the playoff. War. Reaction to that. I mean, he would have made a ton of sense

at like golf now, you know. I, we said that leading up as well. But also it's funny, it's like, I don't know what the, what the, it's like the 26's like I don't know what the what the it's like The 26th guy not making the like the the Dodgers in the playoffs and they go on and win the World Series and like yeah I didn't get the call to the team. I was too political. It's like a political bro The team literally set a wreck. I think they did a pretty good job picking the team, right?

Like so I it's a weird position. I'm sure it's probably said in jazz I didn't listen to the actual audio and whatnot, and I get it, you want to be a part of it, but they kind of typifies the American approach to a lot of Ryder cups in the past, and maybe why he didn't fit in great with the team and ignoring the course fit factor of all that as well, but just a weird timing for all that.

Little is the best team in the US has ever had. To be fair, I i mean it's not like Kevin i think people were kind of throwing out Kevin os name and they would have nothing to do with kevin on that team either yeah also kind of reminds me of the gym there are Kevin fought well i'm on the street i'm on the street i'm on the street just to get kevin's watch out kevin's staddler uh also it kind of reminds me there's a there's a gym room softball guy bit.

He's got all this pent up rage about not getting selected for the varsity team or whatever. And he's like, yeah, dude, varsity coach just hated you that much, your generational talent. But, man, fuck this guy, he's not on the team. He's the best guy that's ever walked the halls of this high school before. But, you know what, I just don't like him, so he's not gonna be on the team. Like, I don't think that's how it is. Probably not. Probably not.

Oh, if only Kevin Kusner had some people online who were advocating for him constantly, right? That's like political, probably. I don't know what he, I don't know what he exactly meant by that. I think there's like a, I know what he meant, but I think he's like missing the point of like, yes, there's a hundred percent like a team camaraderie. Like, I'm talking to you and talking to you.

And like, I think we should all be on the team together part of that and like, a little bit of cool kids. And I don't know, I consider kids probably one of the cool kids, but meaning like, hey, these, all these dudes that grew up like playing Junior Golf together and competing against each other like wanted to be on a team together.

And. I also think like he, he probably has a beef with like analytics, right? Is that's probably the thing that didn't love him with, you know? Two out of last three. Has he had success in match play? Yes. Has that success continued like,

did he play great in match play this year? Like, I don't think so, right? Like he got bounced fairly early. I can't remember exactly, but he wasn't like. Even that it's a totally different golf course. I know it's Pete died, early, I can't remember exactly, but he wasn't like... Even that, it's a totally different golf course. I know it's Pete died, but it just didn't line up. Honestly, if this was 2018, we can have this conversation.

And I think it would have been an interesting conversation to have, but this year was just a totally different thing. And I'm surprised that he wouldn't like to re-letagate that. But again, it's podcasts, like, I know how those stories go. Like, you're telling a story of how things are affected to you And when you write it down in print, it looks a lot different. So I get in the benefit of the doubt. That's not that funny. If you're a Kevin Kysner, you got to believe something.

You got to tell yourself a story, right? Yeah. So in order to continue to be successful at golf, you probably shouldn't be a PJ tour player based on your talent alone. So something has allowed you to fucking be good enough to play at that level for a long time to win some tournaments Whatever so like yeah, if I was coming because I would never stray from that thing. Oh, I got screwed Nobody believes in that. Yeah, I'm gonna continue to whatever we're like logically like you know He's standing there hitting four iron where John Ram's gonna nine iron into a hole like that. That's not a great

It don't care if you think about analytics or like anecdotes. Like that's not a good measure for the US to win the right or go. And I know it's a boring answer, but it's not that hard to be like, man, I really want to be on one of those teams. Like obviously they did a great job picking the team. Like they went out and achieved,

and it's hard for me to say I would've done any better, but I would love to contribute to those because I want to play for the team is totally different than like, I don't know man, they just won't pick me. Look, I'm always in favor of athletes answering honestly, even if it makes that look obnoxious. Bryson says it's obnoxious shit,

but I hope he always keeps saying it, right? Because that's true to Bryson's worldview, and I think it's probably the same true of kids. Yeah, I just keep saying that man, like BU, and then we can either criticize it or not or appreciate the honesty, but also be critical of it in the sort of logical sense. But please don't like, just turn into someone saying,

like, yeah, you know, couldn't make any puts out there. Like who knows? Like, like Michael Jordan did that till the very end. His alias at hotels was like the dude that beat him out for the, for the squad. Like the JV or the freshman team or whatever, Larry Green or something like that. Like it was like, you gotta be wired that way, right?

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Garner and many others. 28 players in the field includes Michelle, we West on a medical maternity exemption for a tournament champions. I don't know how that works, but I'm excited for to watch her play. And an orqueous area, Jotana Garne, Brooke Henderson, Danielle Kang, Georgia Hall, Celine Boudier, put that one in there for you, T.C. Thank you. Jessica Corda, Nellie Corda, Lydia Coe, Madeline Saxon, Patty Tavitandickett, Sophia Popov,

Stacey Lewis, Yucasaso, among many others. Excited for this. What's got you most excited for the LPGA this year? Well, first of all, I wanted, I want to pour one out for our guy, Big Flask. Yeah. Michael Flask. We had a very spirited trap draw last year after the, what was known at the time is the Diamond Resorts, tournament champions, now the Hilton Grand Vacations. Big Flask was gracious enough to come

with a trap draw and kind of defend because there was a big outcry last year after this tournament. They kind of messed up the TV coverage of it. It was showing a lot. It was showing an amateur division. Well, you mean when they waited 23 minutes on the 17th season? Oh, they were already finished upon that. There's some bad shit going on there. Like really, really, really bad shit.

So yeah, I'm kind of actually one of the things I'm most excited about. See how they cover this tournament this year. year. That's one of the things. Because he came on and was like, I hear you and we're going to make it better. And I was like, you know what, big flask salute to you. But then Hilton Grand Vacations bought them out and, you know, and now big flask is, is out doing his own thing on, on, you know, on the event side. So I don't believe what he's doing. He's actually, first things first, Genie on Covers is Nally. I mean what he's doing. Steve what he's doing. Steve what he's doing. Steve what he's doing.

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Steve what he's doing. Steve what he's doing. Steve what he's doing. Steve what he's doing. Steve what he's doing. Steve what he's doing. Steve what he's doing. Steve what he's doing. kind of came out firing April May last year and then finished the season strong as well. So that's that's my first thing I'm excited about LPGA was. I think Lydia might win a major this year. I'm gonna I'm gonna lay that down. You know, I think how many she won? Pine needles would be a good spot for her.

I want to say two majors, I think. Okay. Yes. You're a you you feel like you were on the Lydia co beat there. I wrote a magazine piece about Lydia co back in the day and had it dinner with her and followed her around for a little bit. What was your impression of her having dinner with her? Oh, one of the nicest people. She's amazing.

She's a super charming, signed a couple golf gloves for my daughters when I had sort of mentioned that they were interested in golf. I don't think she loved the story because it was, you know, lead better. It was a little critical of her and her father, right? And her parents. And I tried, you know, very hard to, I was like, this is not, I'm not here to like flatter you. I'm here to write a real story about how you were literally one of the greatest players through age 18, like, you know, who's ever come along and all the sudden, like, it got

much harder, apart because you totally ripped up your swing and rebuilt it. I mean, she was like an absolute artist with like her wedges. And, you know, I think I think it was horshull of all people. It was like taking a scalpel to the Mona Lisa when lead better, you know, like ripped up her swing and was like, oh, let's do the A swing or whatever, like take it, take it away outside and drop it in to try to get you more power. And Ledbetter was to his credit, it was like, called him, and he just was, you know, he went off.

He was like, yeah, this is, you know, her parents are way too involved in their life. She needs to break away from that. Like they're the ones who made a lot of the decisions. And, you know, I hope I love her. I think she's great kid like she needs to become her own person. And you know I followed her for a couple tournaments and like she would miss like a you know four footer's like, he's really, he's like, he's really, he's really really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really

, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really, he's really like the evolution of Lydia Co. Or, you know, if there is an evolution or maybe it's the same old thing. She said she's going to be done. Part of the hook of the story was that she's going to walk away from the game at 30 because she, she's like, I'm in a, I've spent whatever how many years and I don't. So, you know, we don't have that many. She's like 24 now. I was going to say it's coming up real soon. No, she's 24 still. Like, she won two majors. She won the 2015 AVI on and then she won the 2016 A and A inspiration. Yeah. And she's 24 now.

Like, it's just, it's wild, man. She was 17 when she won the AVI on, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I sure hope, you know, she was, she played amazing golf last year. She was kind of speed like come back, you know, didn't really get a ton out of it.

I think she won the one one time last year. And a lot more. A lot more competitive. Yes, just like figured it out. Whatever it is. She won the ladies' bones all last year too. Oh, yeah. She won the Loata Championship last year by seven shots. That's right. And she had another, I feel like tournament where she should have won, came in 18, and then like a seven or something where she kind of blew it. So she's a lot more competitive than she was when she was kind of in the wilderness for a couple of years. Yeah, I mean, she finished second in the in the A and A last year. Yeah. Like she's almost she's

62 or something to find around almost ran patty T down who kind of look like was going to run away with that one. I'm excited for the Yucasaso Yado. Obviously the US women's open champion last year. You know, I watched her for the first time at the Loto championship in April last year was just amazed by the golf swing, the power. Uh, I followed her for a couple rounds at the KPMG women's PGA. I felt like, you know, like she's got world number one written all over. She's with Callaway now. It's not the only reason I'm looking for the yado, but, uh, she was out at the,

the century tournament of champions following Hadecki around and the tour actually posted a PGA tour, posted a great video of her falling around just commenting on things and just kind of like being amazed that the places they're hitting and stuff like that I just I find her energy kind of infectious. I'm excited excited to watch her play so the women are gonna be playing at Mirfield this summer as well. That's on my list. Good venues. Yeah. There the Chevron Championship is the last iteration of this in Palm Springs before it moves to Houston. They don't have the announced the course for that yet. I don't think yet. Right? They have not. Okay. US women's open is that Southern Pines.

I'm excuse me. Pine needles. I don't know why I wrote Southern Pines in here. I said pine needles and I was like, wait, it's pine needles. Although Southern Pines would be sick. It would. It would. I got excited to see some other pides. KPMG Women's PGA is that congressional. Very excited to see what Andrew Green did there.

I hope your opinion of congressional changes. I really do. I mean, me too, but I think, unequivocally it will, based on everything I'm hearing. Come to the DMV. Let's check it out together. Sounds like a threat. Just step to the DMV, right?

I put the avion. Again, I put an asterisk on this because I don't consider it a major. If Stacy Lewis says it's not a major, I don't call it a major. The players skip it, not a major. Sorry. The fairways look like a parking lot. Yeah. No. Two years ago, I think it was not for me. And then the AIG women's open at your field. I got major grief from like groundskeeper Twitter. They don't use chemicals in France.

How dare you, you know, like you. Especially when it's gonna seep into the groundwater where the bottle in all this grease. Evian is probably the true liquid gold of France. You can't mess with that just for some reason. They're not dumb and pesticides and feege. Either come on man. How dare I.

American arrogance think that they should use weed killer. Yeah. You know, you belong at Augusta, right? with Derri. American arrogance think that they should use weed killer. You know, you belong at Augusta, right? That's me. Yeah. I know Lyona McGuire is on your list. You know what? She's on my list as well.

But on that same note, Matilda Castron is on mine as well. I followed her a lot at the Soulheim. She had a really, really good rookie year 2020. Kind of took a step back last year, think getting comfortable. I think 2022 is gonna be a big year for her. Yep, Leonas on mine. I wanna see your piggyback off

that ridiculous Soulheim cup. She will actually be a guest on the podcast that's coming week, coming up this Tuesday, had a chance to chat with her yesterday. So excited about that. What else you got? I got, they're going to Cincinnati. It's gonna be awesome.

We're on the Cincinnati, September, uh, Croger, Queen City Championship as much as that pains me to give a shout out to Croger. Uh, and it's presented by the Proctoids at Procto R&G. So, uh, we will be there in a big way. I'm excited for that one. And then lastly, I'd love that Wilshire event that they have and they're going to satacoid this year instead of, instead of late Merced. LPG, I'm gonna have to ask you to put the golf courses of your tournaments up on the website. It's you have to work a little hard to see what courses the events are going to be at. I just listen, we're hard on the PGA tour. I'm going to have to be hard on our friends at the LPGA tour as well. Absolutely. Look, I have two dollars at one of those things

you're walking into. I'm a father of two daughters. You've got to do the things, right? If you want to be taken as equally serious, you also got to handle criticism. You should be feel good about it. If people, if we're talking about the LBJ in a smart, critical way, that's a good thing, right? Don't just expect positive coverage. So step it up.

Put out, press release, as it says, this is the field this week. This is where they're playing. All of that should be they do that They do that just on the website. It's not super easy to go in and see the golf course I literally just tried to find the field for this week And it was like a nightmare to try to find it's make it hard Speaking of that that reminds me of my other outstanding fatwa. Okay. Was that Salis? Yeah

This little oh my god like she might be the worst defender of all of those tough because of this little bit of my god. Like, she might be the worst defender of all of them. So it was tough. It was tough. I've seen calculated how to hit hybrid into all those holes. That's a tough task. You guys want to talk some Netflix? Sure.

I don't know. I guess finally, the PGA Tour officially announced it. I mean, this has been announced for a couple of months that the PGA Tour would be teaming up with Netflix for a drive to survive like series. A putter survive. But the Netflix UK tweeted some drive pitch and putt to survive. I was like, actually, yeah, that's kind of PGA tour golf.

That's pretty darn close. What any take away from the announcements, I'll run through here kind of the names of the people that are scheduled to be involved in it. This is an alphabetical order. Abe Answer, Daniel Berger, Cameron Champ, Joel Damon, Tony Fiennell, Matthew Fitzpatrick, Tommy Fleetwood, Ricky Fowler, of course, Sergio Garcia, Harry Higgs, Max Homa, Victor Hovland, Dustin Johnson, Brooks Keppka, Colin Moore, Kawa, Kevin Na, Keated Nakajima, Mito Pereira, Ian Polter, Zander Shoffley, Jordan Speed, Justin Thomas,

Bubble Watson. Surprises, surprises in, surprises out. Kind of what do you think of the list of people we're gonna hear from? I'm excited to see Mito kind of confuse that Mito's involved, but not Joaquin Neiman. Like you would think, you know, they're trying to get a South American guy,

but that's kind of weird. Surprise to see Dustin Johnson. Yeah, involved. I would thought he would have been like, I'm a good man. Harry Higgs, Max Holma, of course, those are exciting, you know, kind of to see the guys that are way behind in terms of publicity, as Bryce and said, which we'll get to here in a second. But yeah, it looks like they're trying to, you know, obviously not just folks in the Americans, not just focusing on, focusing on top stars, which is a good sign.

And notable names that we don't see in there, Rory, Phil, Bryson, Tiger. I think we can kind of go down a list pretty easily as to why those names probably aren't in there. But Rory, I'm sure Golf Pass probably has something to do with it in some way. Bryson, any number of reasons, his thriving thriving YouTube channel or not wanting to give up editorial control of what gets published is probably what I would guess the be the reasoning for him to not uh, being involved Phil. He's definitely not on P.D. though. exactly why not probably golf TV kind of thing in there, but I think as soon as that hit money hits Phil's account. He's out. Yeah, do I feel like you know, it's speed is a huge key right? It's Ethan Brooks by your most recognizable names and so

Yes, like I don't watch drive to survive so I maybe a little bit over my skis here, but you gotta have some storylines of the actual best people, right? Like if it was only, if Drive to Survive, I imagine it was only about the 13th best drivers. It would be a little less interesting if you didn't get a look at Lewis and Lewis. Well, it's interesting, the very first season, they did not have any access to Mercedes or Ferrari.

And a big takeaway from that for me was the importance that they placed in the made you actually feel like you cared about who finished fifth and sixth, which is a big part of Formula One. That's like Finau is the midfield battle. You know, Finau versus Shoffley. That's the midfield. So it's like Renault and Alpine, you know?

I have, I'm most, I'm almost all excited for this. I'm excited, I think it's gonna be great for hardcore golf fans. I think it'll be pretty good for casual golf fans, I think. I mean, anything that's gonna be an, I hope it's not an imitation of drive to survive. It's two totally different sports. It's totally different atmospheres. The excitement levels very very different

What worked for driver's drive so well was it was a glimpse into a sport that was under realizing its market because and they had a Strategy to reach new fans once this series came out it being on ESPN Commercial free with just awesome announcers and a great experience of watching it was what helped make it successful. The series is good, but it made it introduced you to a sport that is actually a fun, it's a blast to follow, they trash talk each other, the whole thing is set up for entertainment, sometimes to a fault, the way that the season ended.

Shout out Michael Massey. If the tour doesn't have a plan to handle a possible influx of new people, i.e. fix the broadcast, they're gonna miss out on Massey. If the tour doesn't have a plan to handle a possible influx of new people, i.e. fix the broadcast, they're gonna miss out on an opportunity, I think here, if this series is successful, I know the guys that are creating it are pretty stouchly saying that it's gonna be an independent,

there's no editorial control given, but the fact that all the majors are involved in this too, like that's huge, right? If you try to pretend that PGA tour is the biggest thing in golf, like the thing is gonna suck. But if you have the majors involved and then able to follow guys in that in Augusta,

are you kidding me? Like this could be really, it could be really, really good. It has the potential to be. We've been dying for somebody outside hands to get their hands on, not marketing this product, but like telling the story of it in a way that cuts through the bullshit of the Class X tour

and it has potential for that, but. I know, shout out to Fred Ridley, like the masters being in on this is like something you never would have thought 10, 15 years ago. So for them to sort of see like, hey, this is overall beneficial to golf. Like I should even give. Should even five years ago would build anything Billy Payne really. I'm so, yeah. Like I, you know, I think like, hey, this is overall beneficial to golf. Like I should even five years ago,

would you build anything Billy Payne really? Absolutely. Like, you know, I think like, Hoody and Billy in some ways were like maybe a little bit, Hoody especially, probably gets a bad rap in some days. He was more progressive than like a lot of the previous guys, but like Fred really seems to be like a very forward. Like the every shot thing and like just bringing the

mattress masters into the modern world is, you know, give him credit to that. Like don't, don't gush over it because they got a, they needed to get it a lot of ways, but you know, they're doing what they can. I think something that'll help it will be golf's on a lot more than F1, right? Like there's one, you know, so let's say you watch this, chances are- Or that help it or what that hurt it? Yeah, probably a little bit both, but like, you know, let's say you do wanna test out a PGA Tour event now. You couldn't even get through that. Once you test that out, you know, we'll see what you think,

but you know, whatever, 46 or 47 weeks a year, there's one of these versus, you know, there's how many races, 20, something, you know, 18, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, 19, he would have been a really interesting guy to follow. I don't understand why Sergio's involved. I know. That seems like a weird one. Although, I mean, I guess this is just kind of an all-encompassing thing. And then, I mean, how many episodes are there in a season of driver's survive, eight to 10?

Something like that, yeah. Right, so you've got kind of guys that you can rely upon for interviews or whatever, even to provide context to what's going on, even if they're not intimately involved, right? Well, and that's what, you know, the drive to survive. The more you're involved in the sport, I think the more flaws you see in it, because you can't, you know, you decide how documentary is work, and we have the teeny tiny bit of

experience, and this is like, you can't have cameras everywhere all the time. You can't make, there's no guarantee you're gonna catch what you need to catch. You might be following Max Homa at Riviera this year and he might miss the cut, whereas he won it the year before. And like you missed, you know, Fina will probably win it and you aren't following him that week

and you try to shoehorn, it's gonna be interesting how they actually go about covering the events. There's a lot more weeks. A lot more players, a lot bigger, you know, like span of time each week to do it. Like I'm shocked that Cam Smith's not involved in it. Yeah.

I think like, Rom is the one that I wish most of all. Like I get it. I worry. Rory would be the person I would most want to follow for the course of a season, but I get why the golf past stuff would eliminate him doing it because like he's been convinced. And, and Brewery probably in part signed that golf past deal because he didn't want to do a thousand different things. Yeah. Like he gets easy for him to say no, but like just what it's John Romney's reason for saying no. Like I think John Romney could win two majors this year.

And how do you do a docu series about the year if you don't have any access to the literally the number one player in the world who has like the most dominant season? Like what if from Romland's five times? No one would be like, oh, it's like Lewis Hamilton though. Yeah. They did the first season without any access to Lewis. And it was a trial and

they saw the popularity. Red Bull got a ton of fans out of that first season because they may they opened up the doors. You know, you can kind of do whatever you want with our players and our team principle. And it got them a lot of fans. And so that's what that's the thing with when your marketability is so tied to your appeal to fans, I'm surprised that somebody like Rob wouldn't want to be involved in that. You know what he may, let's not rule out the idea that he might be like, okay, like I'll you can have access to me like after

two I saw you know, or not. I heard from other players, because it won't come out for whatever, like a year or six months. But I heard from other players that's fine. Like, yeah, come follow me at the US Open. Yeah, you're good. It's like kind of testing it out in first three months or the West Coast swing or something.

Bryson, of course, couldn't help himself. He says, yeah, there's a lot of great people in there. If I was to go on there, yeah, it would be cool to see, but I feel like there's a lot more interesting stories. You got Harry Higgs, you got numerous others. I don't want to take the light away from them for their potential to grow themselves in a manner that's unique to them, where they're already pretty far behind.

They have the opportunity to grow a lot more than I do in that regard. God, that's so sick. Like, what a piece of shit. I'm so glad that Bryson would stick up for Harry Higgs's so sick. Like what a piece of shit. I'm so glad that Bryson would stick up for Harry Higgs's YouTube channel. That like, he would want Harry Higgs to be able to catch up.

You know, you got Harry Higgs, things of that nature. He makes it. Fuckin' A, man. What a dick. I mean, like he can't help himself. He can't. He can't.

I want something I want to give him a hug, though. He just, he wants to be liked. He wants to be loved so mind capable. He's is incapable of it. Yeah. Good. The best question from David Hurl 3192. Assuming the new Netflix show keeps a similar format to drive and survive. Who would you like to see play the Will Buston, the journalist slash narrator role? I'm looking at one of them. I think you would be, do you know something here? You're making a face. I wish, God. I thought you were about to reveal that money. I thought you were going to be in it. No, like the Trent Creme type of thing.

Well, if you've never seen Drive to Survive yet, there's a couple, there's a F1 journalist that come in to just, you know, say, Lewis Hamilton is one of the great drivers of our time. Like just, it's a context and then also like a cheeky quote here. Yeah. You have to understand these two do not like each other at all. So I'm very curious to see who that would be

from the Gulf world. Because that I feel like the PGA tour is gonna source pretty well. All right. Who would you say? Who are your three guys? I feel like it's, I would guess it's probably the same, the similar people that you see pop up in, you know, documentaries, US Open documentary, Doug Ferguson, probably he's that on, you know, he's on tour 30th. I don't know how many weeks a year a lot.

He's out there a lot. That would be a guess. I don't, they'll probably go for someone younger. I don't know exactly who that would be, but, um, I don't know. Probably the golf digest golf.coms are probably going to be pretty involved in that. And, yes, PN, give me Dylan to share. Give me, you know, I mean, someone of that nature, like, look, I would 100% like, like, be the voice of like, yeah, this is, I'll explain exactly what this is to you.

You know, that's like, I don't know if, you'll be actually going to see, like, if they do outsource that, though, like, or if they're like, oh, here's the people that we're going to have internally from Netflix. We're just going to be our people. We're going to introduce this person as a star. They could literally be like, oh, Carson Daly is going to be your own. That kind of person. Ray Romano is going to be the person who explains this.

Can you do? I do think that's one of the ways that you reach across the aisle to the hardcore fans, right? To say, like, you know, have somebody that's gonna be able to deliver that stuff, but then also add a little bit of extra layer there, or a little bit of extra detail, or a little wrinkle there, and just, you know, plant that, like, you know what, like, I never thought of it like that way.

This is, you know what, that was a good observation there. That was a good connecting tune to, and now I'm gonna watch this episode with a little bit different viewpoint. Yeah. I do not think it will be us for those wondering, just based on probably our relationship with the tour, we have obviously had no conversations

that any of that would not expect that, but I honestly think that would be sick. Poor math would be great. I think like, I honestly think that I honestly think that the format is probably hopefully different than drive to survive. If you try to make an imitation of that, like second, you don't have cars going to them. It's not that golf's not that exciting.

The format should probably be different. I'm sure they have a great plan for that, but it may not even require that role. I don't know exactly how this is gonna look. I think it's gonna be more like a 24-7 or like a hardmox. Yeah. I mean 24-7, you don't really have any game action, right? It's just a bunch of, you know, just at home like, yeah, it's like,

we'll probably get an episode with DB Strait Vibe on his boat. Yeah, a lot of obviously. And then they'll go to the Woods Jupiter Jupiter or they'll go to, you know, the great Lou Brown on Twitter said, you know, I can't wait to see Keppka contradict himself like 17 times. And I was like, I was like, Oh, yeah, I remember grinding my Fina Ricky's catch. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I remember doing that.

Let's do the weekly Saudi run. Aiman Lynch fired off another, another, another column here highlighting our thing. Our new favorite phrase, uh, when it comes to deflecting on this matter, which is, I'm, I'm not a politician. Let's not a politician. Bryson went for that one this week. Shane Lowry went for that one. Shane Lowry invented it.

I think he did. Yeah, that's, it's really impressive. Uh, a question we got from regulator, oh eight, two, six, with all the heat around Saudi, would it help our opinions on these players if they gave a decent chunk of the appearance feed to a charity or human's right organization. Maybe half. It's interesting question. It would help me stomach it morally. Can you just because we talk about this every week. Can you give us just start from wherever you want to on on how this is how this is all playing out for Saudi?

The thing that I think I think is the most disgusting of it is where they act like they're doing it for the growing the game purposes, right? And then they go there and like say gushing things about like, you know, I've seen like what you know The Greg Normus have I've seen what they're doing. They're there's women eating in restaurants. They're driving. They're driving They're they're gonna be playing golf everywhere like you you just don't understand Whatever like if you want to take the money take the money Don't go there and like try to sell me bullshit about like when Patrick Green went to this school. Yeah, and I was sick That was sweet. They're cheering for him and stuff right after the

So look I have a lot of friends of the Washington Post Like most of my golf friends are guys who were staffers the Washington Post And so this in some ways like resonates with them and is upsetting them in a way that is not personal for us. And I kind of wanted to say, I would love to go to a press conference. This would probably get me banned from like a PGHO press conference, but and say to someone

to Justin Rose or whatever and be like, hey, Justin, how would you feel if like they like someone kidnapped one of your colleagues, like let's say, Maffin's drilled, and then like caught his battery, you know, that's just, yeah, Maffin's battery. And then like caught off his arms with a bone saw, would you still be like, well, you know,

I'm not a politician. You'd be like, oh my God, that's freaking horrible. Like you wouldn't be able to stomach that. For someone who works at the Washington Post, Jamal Kashoggi was one of their colleagues. And so you can't sit here and say that, oh, you know, I just, I don't know, like, I don't wanna entertain myself.

For every journalist, in some ways, it feels very personal that a person could absolutely do this and that people would just be like, ah, you know, whatever. Like, and I don't, the what about is, I'm of like, well, you never adrifted a China either, whatever. Like, you know what, if you wanna have that conversation too, we can have that conversation, but don't sit and sit here and deflect to that,

because you don't wanna have this conversation about Saudi Arabia. Well, and it's also, all right, like China is what, number, you know, number two economy in the world, like, you know, and they're very, they're in very different context. And in China, it's also, China is what number two economy in the world, and they're very different context. And in China, that is like the HBCS, whatever. It's the bank in China, whatever that's putting on that tournament. It is not the world money laundering that Chinese government

that is putting on that tournament. Like the Chinese government doesn't want them there. Right, it's a huge difference. And then the actual government in Saudi Arabia is basically saying, like, oh, we know that our record on human rights is really crappy. So we're gonna basically find a way to launder this through professional sports.

And eventually, people will just get worn down and exhausted by it and they'll accept it. And that's kind of what's happening. That's what's happening. The average is kind of like it's, I think what certain politicians who won't talk about a name have taught us is that outrage can only be sustained for like a limited amount of time and then people just get like exhausted by it. So even if like really offensive things happen, as long as you just basically like keep saying like, yeah, yeah, no care. Like

no one can keep being like, oh, you know what? Like you realize this is gross that you're doing this. And so that's, you know, the PJ tour, how to chance to make a sort of statement and say, like, we won't get releases and they couldn't do it, whether it was legally or more, morally. So they just like, okay, fine. Yeah, I mean, I don't really, I don't begrudge the tour. I think that was going gonna be an uphill battle a little legally and, you know,

from a membership perspective and all that. But like, I just think with the, that stuff too, it's gonna be a sweepstakes that first week in February with the what aboutism, with the winter Olympics going on, the opening ceremonies are like the Wednesday, are the Thursday or the Friday of the Saudi International. So it's gonna be just a fucking, you know, what about is some sweepstakes?

I'm like a play golf that we can. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to give a shout out to Aiman Lynch. I, you know, as a friend, but like I think is one of the few people in golf media who writes about things that are that people don't, that the tour or the players or whatever don't want out there, right? It's anything.

Journalism is a tough thing in this stage for a lot of reasons, but there's a lot of journalism that's done that's like, here's this press release. Would you like to report this like it's yourself? And I, Aiman is really good in my opinion at writing things that places would like to keep not written about. They're not PR. Yeah, he writes and that is big difference. Incredibly valuable thing to the game, to sports in general, to the profession of journalism. That's what I would like to aspire to be. The kind of drills to be is like, you know what,

people try to sort of suppress and keep them hidden or like, or make sure everyone, and there's a lot of people out there willing to do PR for a lot of stuff. And so shout out to the journalists who buck against that. And they're like, you know what, like whether it's like a silly issue, like green reading books of like, even was one of the first people to sort of say, like, yeah, this is coming up and this, the, you know, he's got some damn good sources. Yeah. And he had an HQ. It's, that's, those are hard things to do because sometimes people get angry with you when you report stuff that's controversial or they say they won't talk to you again, but like the, it's, I admire that he goes after that.

Yeah. I, again, that's probably why we're giving him shout out almost weekly because he's, he's bringing up topics and just not afraid of backlash either. I mean, Twitter is not the kind displaced for controversial topics and he's not afraid of them. And you know what credit to his editors a golf week and stuff for, you know, like, look, I've had some great editors, do you spend? They've backed me on some difficult things and like, it's a hard position to be in, like,

sometimes where you're standing alone and it's not the popular sentiment, but also what I think that golf can get lost in is sometimes it's like, sometimes you need to write about things for the larger sports viewing audience at large, not just the golf world. Yeah, people always get upset about like,

why do you care about this, whatever? Like no one in golf cares about this. Yeah, but like, I don't just write about things just for the golf world, right? I'm writing about things for the entire ESPN audience. So you're writing about things, kind of writing about sports in the context of society, right? 100%.

Also, of note, a lot of people sent this over to us this week. Andy Murray was turned down a seven figure payday to go do an exhibition in Saudi Arabia and said he wouldn't not entertain any offers from them in the future because they're human rights records. And I love the fact that you that you singled out Justin Rose. Justin Rose and Paul Casey those two like get the fuck out. Well, they were one of the first people to go on board right over there, right? And legitimately, I think it would,

Paul Casey's the worst in that regard. I think they would feel very different to them if it was one of their colleagues who had been literally tortured alive. And so for them to sort of, it should be a chose a larger disrespect for like freedom of the press and general freedoms. Like if all these guys are, you know, big like patriotic guys, whether it's American patriotism or European patriotism, whatever, then like stand up for those

principles that those countries sort of are, or make them different than Saudi Arabia. Where I struggle sometimes is when people will reply to a podcast like this or a tweet and say, well, what about your government and all that? You know what, our government sure is hell ain't perfect. But also, there is some sort of accountability at the end of the line, right? Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's what I mean,, you know, as Phil said, back in the day, you'll be okay. I'm going to go play this, but you'll be okay.

Thanks, bud. Yeah. So, on that, I did very different note. This happened earlier this past week at Tim Rosefort passed away. We did not have a relationship with him. Did you have a relationship with him, KVV? I can't pretend like that I knew Tim well, but here's what I'll say about Rosie is the very first major that I went to like as a journalist was the 15 open at Pynast, whatever.

And I sat down at a table at lunch as anybody's been to a major, like there's a lunch room where all the media comes. And Tim came over and sat down next to me and was like, Hey, is this seat taken or whatever? I was like, Oh, no, it's different. And he was like, I'm Tim. And I was like, Oh, great. And like, we just started talking or whatever. And we kind of were just talking about Tiger was going through like another one of the back surgeries or whatever. And I'm not kidding. When I say that we talked for 40 minutes about like the future of Tiger Woods, like what the potential was, like would, would there come a day when like

his exemption from Tory would run out and you have to qualify for the US Open. And we were, and he was really like, yeah, I think he will. I think they, they'll make him, they're not going to give him like a special exemption. That's, that's, it isn't the USGA from when Arnie and Jack were there. And, and you know, he're not gonna give him like a special exemption. That's, it isn't the USGA from Winarney and Jack were there. And, and you know, he might not accept it. So he might have to grind out. And it was like, I was a nobody. Like, I, this is the litter of the first golf tournament,

like the major that I ever cover. I was there to try to like do some sort of filmickelson thing for you to be in the magazine. And it just, it was like so kind and so sweet that he would sort of just basically like see me sitting alone at the lunch table and say like, hey, I'm Tim Roosevelt. And then talk to me for an hour about it

and think that like whatever like banal insights that I had were interesting enough to continue the conversation. And that that was such a reflection, I think of how he treated everyone. Like he was so open and he didn't, he, there was no classism to him. He was like super friendly to no matter who you were, if you're somebody for working, you know, covering the masters from some, like the

masters has always been good about like if you work for a newspaper and you reply for credential, you can get a credential. So it's like, there's a lot of guys there from like little tiny newspapers from there. Like there might be there one chance to cover the masters. And I think like Rosie was always really like generous and kind to those people. And it just always made me think like, that's the kind of the media person I want to be like just to be friends. It was like a reminder to if you sit down on a lunch table and you don't know somebody, like stick your hand on me, like, Hey, I'm Kevin from ESPN. And it nice to meet you, like, what's your name? How you enjoying the week, whatever?

Because it might be somebody's first major, it might be like, they're so excited and, you know. Or vice and anxious. Yeah, and like Scott Van Pelt, my colleague, you know, when I tweeted something about that story, he was like, you know, I just want to like second that, like, he was such a good friend to me when I first started a golf channel.

And, you know, like my grandfather had Alzheimer's and it sucks. It really sucks to see super bright and smart people go downhill quickly mentally. And so I hope, you know, his family got to sort of appreciate whatever time he had with him after he retired. And he was just a true pro. And I never had a single person be like, oh, Rosie, like that story. They were always like, oh man, Rosie reported this. It's legit.

Like there's no doubt in one of his reports because he had a ton of sources and he always was right when he went with something. I was going to say like two things that stuck out to me and kind of just the, you know, tributes and obituaries and everything was. The first was just how much you loaded up his stories with facts. Like, hey, where I'm going to throw so many facts at this and just, and basically make it like so rich with, you know, like kind of primary source stuff. And then B, high-media has wrote a wonderful piece about him, just how much he treated information

with like such a certain responsibility, right? Where, hey, I know this information is going to affect person A, person B, person C. I'm going to take all those things into account. But I'm gonna also, like, the reader or the audience is still first and foremost, but I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna treat those people with respect as well. I think that was probably increasingly rare these days. Yeah, broke the dust and Johnson fell down the stairs. Sorry. That's what I don't love doing, you know,

O-Bits on this podcast for people that we don't know very well with. The outpouring this week was felt just, it felt, I could feel it. I was like, I kind of wish I would appreciate it. This guy more, well, he was alive because I did not fully understand how much reverence, you know, people that knew him had for him. And now, now we do. And we'll know that for, for history. I think the, here's what I say about people in media who've been around for a long time. The best, I think, example that they are open, generous, warm-hearted people is when they

don't shit on younger people who are coming up, they sort of like reach their hand down and sort of say, like, hey, like, you know, how can I help you, right? Because it's easy to get older and be sort of resentful of like, oh, like, you know, how can I help you? Right? Because it's easy to get older and be sort of resentful of like, oh, these podcasts. These guys just Twitter, whatever. There's a lot of people in golf media who like that. And I don't think Rosie was ever one of those people. And that's a credit to just how I think he saw the world. Well, I think it's, I think it's tough for us when in the other world. Well, I think it's tough for us when I feel like he was making that transition from print or written

to being a TV first personality, kind of right as we were getting into golf. And so I think that kind of gets lost a little bit when you don't see the full evolution and you just see the guy on TV first and foremost. Right. I'm talking about it completely. I cannot think of something on a more different note

than what we just discussed, but you can see what Akshay, the story about Akshay's caddy this week. I miss this, so I'm, I'm all ears. Well, Danny D3493 says we need some opinions on the whole Akshay Instagram DM slide caddy story, quite the development. So oxie had a person of the opposite gender slide into his DMs and does not know golf and

has I don't ever don't think she's ever played golf. She has cadding for him in the court. I thought they were so all right backing up. So the court fairy tour. That's actually Bogey of Honor situation. That's a deep cut. I don't even know, so there's your gotta follow up the deep cut. So I thought that was, I thought it was a girlfriend.

Oh, maybe it is. Yeah, so I thought, so the court fairy tour posted this video clip, basically like introducing Oxe, and be like, hey, here's one of our new members this year. They started out in the Bahamas today, first round, which I love that they're doing, Sunday to Wednesday. Yes. That's fantastic.

But my understanding of it was, it was like, hey, how'd you guys meet? And he was like, well, I don't know. She just sent me a DM or something like that. I'm like a 19 year old professional golfer, whatever. And then now she's my girlfriend. That was how I got you. That may be the case.

I don't think he just picked up some random pseudo-instagram influence. Now that could be a Netflix show. I'll say it's a different lady. You eat caddies for him every week on the corn print. I'll say maybe trying to dip his hand into the cornberry pip. It's $12 for first bite.

Cornberry bachelor. I maybe needed a dive deeper to this. This K-Wall by Radar, a little late in the game. He had a great opening round. I think you shut three or four under. I know where I'm like, yo, does it actually need like take shit a little bit more seriously, but also like I know how tough it is to get your caddy over to the Bahamas and. It's a Rudy story.

Tell her to put her watch on silent. Anything else you want to add here to see before we get to the final. As a follow up to last week, you know, I know you guys talked at length about NFTs and crypto and all sorts of that. All I got to say is all the links down and NFT people keep sending me all those DMs and those emails. You guys have been, all the apes have been rolling in, hot and heavy to his DMs.

It's been awesome. He's so flustered. This, this thing's even stupider than I thought it was, man. Like I fucking get it, all right? I get it. Like, it's not, it's not Bitcoin, all right? It's this stupid fucking thing over here. I love it, man. It's fantastic.

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Pine Barren's episode. Every, every two weeks, we discuss like a classic episode of television and then it becomes like a larger, broader discussion of that show in general, have done like the leftovers, and the West Wing, done, you know, just a ton of party down, like really great fun, interesting discussions. There's a movie, a thing that runs the opposite week of TV club. TV club is kind of more more, why would I kind of clombed on to? So that'd be another fun reason to, we're talking about mash this week. Yeah, yeah. Couple of rolled up episodes of... Never watched an episode of mash, probably.

Oh, it's totally great. It should, you know, really like the background of a lot of, like, sick days for me, like sitting at home and watching episodes of Match. Also, for anybody complaining that they didn't get any, you know, any playoff recap or playoff reaction here, I'm gonna do an emergency episode of the trap draw this week with push, talk about shanny, and that whatever the hell that was at the end of the trap draw this week with push talk about shanny and and that whatever the hell that was at the end of the Cal boys game with with you know

breathtakingly average back in Mike McCarthy we also need to do an F1 week we never did the F1 recap which will maybe roll into a the new season starts yeah so thank you everyone for tuning in to a little longer episode and we will see you back here next week same time cheers That's Better than most How about in that is better than most. Better than most.