No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 515: AMEX Recap

Episode Date: January 24, 2022

Soly, Tron and Neil are back in the Killhouse to recap Hudson Swafford's win at PGA West as well as the Euro Tour event in Abu Dhabi, the reaction to the US Women's Open purse increase, the LPGA tourn...ament of champions, some listener questions and a quick visit from Akshay Bhatia after his first win on the Korn Ferry Tour (34:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. week TC is here. Hello TC. Hello gosh. I'm emotionally exhausted after the the am X. I know it's crazy. Exactly. No, after last night's game and then the Rams this afternoon, it's like just emotionally bankrupt right now. Neil is here. Hello, Neil. Happy to be here. Happy Sunday. God, the NFL has been good. Right. It was tough to watch golf today. But we, but we did.
Starting point is 00:01:04 We're going to move the runner over. And there's a lot to talk about. A lot to talk about. Not necessarily the turn of a golf that was played this week, but we will get to the just a bitchy week in professional health. Yes. So much bitching going on. And like low energy.
Starting point is 00:01:16 Like I felt like both at the LPJ event with the weather and out in the desert. It just didn't seem like there was a ton of vibe going on at the MX either. So, but just players just feeling, you know, spark a spark of energy to just bitch about things. We can't shit on them too hard, because then I'll clam up and stop talking. I know. Well, actually, we're probably going to shit out pretty too hard. But we've told you about Calais new Rogue ST drivers and fairway woods today. A few words about the irons that are part of the family. The Rogue ST irons have all of Calaways latest and greatest technologies, including an industry first with the faces, which combine high strength, 450 steel with an AI design face.
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Starting point is 00:02:18 and the apex pros. That sounds a little bit like Neil. Yes, it does. Randy's got a set of rogue ST Pros coming his way, T.C. Why would those be good for him? That was the first thing I thought of when Kalloy came out with their new stuff. I'm like, oh, well, Randy, you're getting new pros.
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Starting point is 00:03:15 It's a utility. It's a lot like a hybrid. I know it's called a utility would, but I'm I'm I'm calling it. We're going to see. I feel like you got to name the utility would like the Craig council Yes, that's good call. We got a call with something good Then maybe the listeners the listeners can send something in name. Sali's new utility would also Word on the street is it the pie man has been getting deep in the
Starting point is 00:03:37 Kawas wing. Yeah, I'm like all right. I got shit out of it yesterday. He was he's he's he's hitting the bad boy He's turning the ball over really said watch he wanted to arrange for two hours today. What? And all he's doing is almost like he's got a sword. It's Kawa. Just constantly trying to get up and under. So he vanquished me in a match, beat me two in one yesterday. How many shots were you giving him?
Starting point is 00:04:01 Five. So that's, he's two and no this year against me. My game's a little, yeah, it's not worth needs to be. But, you know, the blue is hibernating right now. So, come on, it's winter. We're gonna, you know, start to take off here when it gets a little warmer. There's a lot of fat for DJ to trim off that handicap.
Starting point is 00:04:19 Yes, it's not gonna happen to Jack's Beach though. We need to get him off Jack's Beach. Like, if it's, you know, it's not rated high enough. But anyways, to the AMX, I think we'll start there. I will say, listen, this is about as bad of a golf tournament as we'll get in this time of year, all right. But of all the guys that were up near the top of leaderboard, the one I was rooting for the most was Hudson Swaford.
Starting point is 00:04:38 So very excited for HUD. Hudson is always cool. He's great dude. He's what you see is what you get. Interesting career. Third career win. First one was at this very event, I think 2017. And then he won at Puntakana, I think a couple of years ago. And he's never made the cut of the major before. He's got so much game.
Starting point is 00:04:59 Like it's the shit out of the ball. I think there's been injury concerns, right, or injury issues. But yeah, it's just kind of one of those guys. I mean, I guess he's won three times in the last five years now though. So. I mean, enormous game. I say this a little bit tongue in cheek with the Harris English comps that he gets a lot,
Starting point is 00:05:18 but the dude really does flush it. Like up close, when you watch him hit balls, it has that sound that maybe like 10% of the dudes out there actually have. I'm, you know, congrats to a Hudson. He just doesn't, doesn't make me feel much though. He feels a little bit like the default golfer and like Tiger Woods, you know, 2K22, like the, you know, the name, the Peter Miller threads, that it's just kind of a very stock country club. It's tough for me to like get excited about it, you know, but I agree with you.
Starting point is 00:05:47 I was looking them up. 36th and Stroke's game to approach. So, looks like he, you know, potted it pretty well this week as we talked about last time that's kind of, you know, we get a hot putter, that's how these guys go and win three times, but then miss the cut it every major they're in.
Starting point is 00:06:03 Career earnings, what do you guys think for Hudson? 8.48. Yes. I was going to ask you guys, sorry, I ruined the game. ruined it. Plus 1.3 today. So how old is he like 32? 36 I think 34.
Starting point is 00:06:16 He's 34 years old. Okay. So what's the men's jury? You know, I remember when he was in that bridge stone commercial, like before he'd done anything on tour and culture. I was like, who is this? Dolly's one of the, you know, he's part of like the UGA mafia, you know, like all the, he's one of the bulldogs.
Starting point is 00:06:31 So they got, you know, another chalk another went up for the bulldogs. He's part of the, not only the UGA mafia, but the C Island mafia. That's right. Two. Yeah, moves from 123 to seventh in the FedEx cup. Oh man. She's long race for the FedEx Cup. Oh man, sees a long race for the FedEx Cup. Get weird 22 at a question. Moomies the last time with a less interesting leader board
Starting point is 00:06:50 at this point on a Sunday. I dropped this one in. I thought that was a great question. The one that jumped to mine for me was the Honda last year. And I looked it up. It's Matt Jones, Brendan Haguey, Cifert. Yeah. Who?
Starting point is 00:07:03 Excuse me, come again? Who? Matt Jones, CT, the pan man, and Danny McCarty. Yeah. Who? Come again? Who? Matt Jones, CT, the pan man, and Danny McCarty. McCarthy. That's a good one. That's a good one. I would have struggled with it. I was on the pod for the hair Honda Lash.
Starting point is 00:07:14 I was like, oh God. Similar, like, oh, we're gonna have to make something, make some magic here. Danny McCarty, T6 here as well. Yeah. It's kind of... Yeah, that dude gets hot on weekends at the what you call RSM in the fall. He like almost put a 59 watch out there on a day like a super bustery day. Before we shit all over the tournament, let's just go down the leaderboard a little bit. Sure. Tom
Starting point is 00:07:35 Hogi. Grinders Grinder. Oh, yeah. Which I appreciate the North Dakota guy. I get it. Yeah, Grindr, Hogi. Yeah. Was that unintentional? That was unintentional. Harmon, Shoton Mothwell. I love, love Harmon. Love it when when little brides doing some big things. That's that's always fun to watch. I think it's great when he's he's in the hunt. Uh, Lonto, courageously overcoming the injury he sustained a couple of weeks ago picking up his dog and heard something pop in his back and fought through it to a T3 this week. He seems like, you know, decided that he, he, he, Lanta's not, not as guy. And it's a storyline I've loved watching unfold over the last year or two.
Starting point is 00:08:19 Like Lanta hadn't done anything to T3. No, well, he's, he's, he actually seems like a pretty thoughtful, nice guy. I just, I just don't, I don't like his bombing gouging. I think it started with his threads too. He didn't like his shoes. It's so unlike T.C. though to just have an opinion based off like five minutes of data and then extract it for like five years. I know, that is out of character for you.
Starting point is 00:08:42 No, it's just great. Like, Lotto came on the scene like two years ago and he's like, fuck that guy. I don't like him. I don't like it. I don't know. I just don't. I'm not into his vibe. I like it. There's totally room for that as sports fans though. There's totally athletes out there that just I don't have a great reason why I don't like that guy, but I don't like him. Well, I guess that's kind of how I feel about Hudson Swafford. Like I trust you. I've never met him. You guys, you know, yeah, you know, he strikes it great, but it just doesn't, I don't have any disdain for him, but I just don't, he doesn't excite me in any way.
Starting point is 00:09:09 It's, he's an exceptionally nice guy, and I hate saying that as like a pad on the back, but he's a great, great dude to hang out with. That's what I get out of. I totally agree, but just from, as a chance of golf, I'm struggling to be hyped right now. Of all the, you know, middle-aged, young middle-aged got white guys out on tour.
Starting point is 00:09:30 He's the middle-aged white guy, like most middle-aged white guys. Yeah, probably like right at like the normal tour average like in career earnings, like he is number, out of 200 he's number 100. Yeah, went to Georgia and to Seattle. Well, just between him, like Harris English and Pat and Kazir, just like with the names and the CIs, he's just like, oh my God,
Starting point is 00:09:53 you guys are like, you know, you're patting. It's just like, yeah, I know, it's just like fantastic in every way. Lee Hodges, he gave it a great run. He was pretty close up there as a Bama guy, Cornfairy Tour grad. I did a lot of research. Some research on him thinking he might actually win this one. He's got the biggest vineyard vines.
Starting point is 00:10:11 It's a well on his shirt I've ever seen. I mean, it looks like the Beluga. Well, yeah, and then he had on the back too, on the back yoke. And then he's got a local car dealership on there too. From Athens, Alabama, I think. Will's out to us is back shot 19 under finished T six. And then yeah, Danny McCarty, Francesco Mollinari, you make it an appearance.
Starting point is 00:10:33 I cannot figure out Francesco Mollinari's career. I was going to bring that up to you guys as well. I, I respect he, he keeps, he kind of ebbs and flows and, you know, good to see him back on the leaderboard. A lot of guys really, really fallen down the leaderboard today. Like Paul Barjon, who's had a great run on corn fairy the last couple of years. Are we in the mess? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:56 PGA West kind of bucked a little bit today. So like, we can get into this now. I'd like PGA West. I just don't like the other two courses, right? And it's a horrible flow. And the whole pro-AM thing, when there's no, I know we bitch about the celebs, but it's like, and I know it's a big fundraiser for charities and stuff, but man, it just stinks up.
Starting point is 00:11:17 Like they can't set the course up hard. I mean, shit, back in the mid to late 80s, like they had to move this tournament. It's the course is too hard. Because the course was too hard. I mean, ship back in the mid to late 80s, like they had to move this tournament. It's the courses too hard because the course was too hard. Like Sean Martin wrote a really, really good piece on it a few years ago. And here's a quote from Tom Watson, I'm sick and tired of these courses. It requires you to execute shots that no saying golfer should be expected to play. Dive visited the TV booth during the final round. It didn't offer a bottle.
Starting point is 00:11:47 This is in 1987. One of his course to speak for itself. Sitting between announcers, Vin Scolio and Lietra Vino, which would listen to that. Yeah, that's a hot craft. Crew, I'm glad to hear the golf professionals think that there's at least a challenge out there. They'll learn to play this golf course.
Starting point is 00:12:03 They're great players. We're just giving them the opportunities to hit great golf shots. And I think like what the like what the hell's changed? Yeah, athletes are just that much better. Right. It's all athletes. Yeah, they've been in the gym.
Starting point is 00:12:15 Yeah, they've been in the gym. That's crazy how that could happen. The course is like I find some of those the mounting and you know interesting like 16 like the you know middle cart and bunkers know, interesting, like 16, like the, you know, Mill Carton bunkers great, but there's shot value out there. Like it's, it's, you know, especially where they have the pins today and the firm, like just a little bit of firmness in greens. Look what that did today, like the par three, 13th hole, that hole was super difficult today.
Starting point is 00:12:38 17 was like, dude, if you land this on the back half of the green, C. Wilkin, boom, right back in the water, like at least this tournament had some consequence to the golf shots. It was not the first two tournaments of the year have been pin your ears back and you're not making bogies coming in. So it's just how whether or not you make birdie or par. This had bogies and Hudson made two bogies on the back nine and shot like 500 on the back nine. He had a insane back nine, but at least it had some consequence to it. So it flowed there at the end. It was a tough, tough route getting there. Were there any other comments on the setup this week? I don't remember if I, oh, I do have one actually.
Starting point is 00:13:11 Sorry, I have it here. Piece of shit fucking setup, putting contest week. That is a quote from John Rom walking off one of the greens to the next one, not, not trying to not be heard by saying that. This is right near all the fans. That's the rom we know in love. I love it. As long as that stays present in and amongst his, yes, his super well adjusted thoughtful guy,
Starting point is 00:13:33 like I still want to see that fire for 100%. Henny Bogin had a great line. If you think I'm ever going to call this the AMX again, you're crazy. This will forever be piece of shit fucking set up putting contest week Got a point. I'll say Jay done 23 does Ram have a point? Of course. Yes, he does You know, this is a putting contest tournament, but my question would be why are you playing it right? I mean you're the number one player in the world. Michaelson's the host right right there's Steve Lloyd's Yeah, it's kind of a home game for him. There's obligation there. I get it, but like, and I totally get the frustration of like when things aren't going
Starting point is 00:14:09 to, to plan that you want to get mad at something and something like the setup is super easy just to not like that. I didn't turn all the time. Like the tournament, the course can be totally fine. And if I'm playing bad, I'm just pissed off at the whole, every little bunker that's out there. It's not like he was even playing bad. He was T14.
Starting point is 00:14:25 That's a bad week for Ron with this field. Well, we had a good question too for Mr. S. Vanick. Is there a more entertaining golfer to watch? Have a bad day on PGA tour live than than Ram. No. And I was like, I mean, maybe Hatton, you know, when you start beating himself up, but Ram's got to be up at the top of the list. That video was after Saturday, right?
Starting point is 00:14:45 That was the Saturday video? During Saturday. He shot 67 on Saturday. We couldn't make a putt. He lipped out like four or five putts so they had a whole montage of all the books. He lost the putt in contest. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:58 I get it. I just don't know if I, after watching the course today, I don't even know if I really agree. I felt like today was a ball striking contest. Yeah, I think it's gotta be tough for them the first three days where they gotta get a full field through three courses with amateurs.
Starting point is 00:15:14 Although props to them for the two genocidal Indonesian warlords in the amateur field this year. Huge props to them for no longer having those people in there. Hey man, we gotta start somewhere. But yeah, I mean, you've got, you know, you've got all sorts of rich old dudes out there playing. You gotta make sure that they can. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:36 Well, that's, I mean, it course is fine, it's average. But the tournament just feels so stuck between release patterns for lack of a better term. It just does, they need to move it or I just hate that. It feels like a fall event. Yeah, but like this also goes up against football, and thankfully this will be the last PGA tour golf
Starting point is 00:15:55 that goes up against football in this, because the farmers that we'll discuss here is Wednesday through Saturday this week, not going up against Conference Championship. Thanks God. It just feels like there doesn't need to be a tournament going on, yet PGA tour mandate is to play as many tournaments
Starting point is 00:16:09 for as much money as possible, so they host a tournament with a bad. Well, some of it, like, some other tournaments, I feel this way, but like the Byron Nelson, for instance, feels a little bit like this, and that's AT&T's a sponsor. I feel like AMX is, it's almost like an afterthought because they sponsor so much stuff.
Starting point is 00:16:22 It doesn't feel like they're putting a ton of a lot of effort, a lot part of the whole thing for them. And then they can, you know, like your boy Ed Bastian, the CEO of Delta was playing this week. You know, shout out to Ed, you know, glad he got his kicks. And I understand that it almost feels like the tournament is very important to the people that are there.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Whether it looks like it would be fun to be a fan, it looks really laid back. And there's plenty of, you know, like a good course to watch golf on, you know, stadium course. But for TV, it's just no good. And it's no fun to watch, and there's no excitement, the field stinks, it's tough. I think you go Palm Springs sometimes.
Starting point is 00:16:58 It looks just like such a bizarre place. It's a little bit, it is a weird place. But you asked, you asked a question earlier, if, you know, you had five tournaments, you could just straight up delete from the calendar. Like, what would they be in that, like, nonfall version? So, like, you know, I think this would be one of them. This would definitely be one of them. That's my five tournaments. Again, if it was straight up, take them away. You don't need to have a tournament this week or the bottom five that you'd be totally fine if they did not play this year. Minor Amics, the 3M Rocket Mortgage, Zurich and Byron Nelson.
Starting point is 00:17:32 That would be my five. No offense to anyone. No offense to anyone. No offense to anyone. I got my list mirrors that I'm going to lead it off though. Anything and everything at Bell Rive, when everything go to Bell Rive. Totally unnecessary shots. It's a drive by. I mean, you know, whether it's a PGHA championship or you want the St. Louis people in your
Starting point is 00:17:52 mentions, you are actively seeking them out. Best fans in golf, then. The Zurich, Zurich stinks. Honda. I can't stand Honda's on my list too. Byron Nelson and then 3M. Yeah. I can't argue with any of those.
Starting point is 00:18:05 I like the rocket mortgage. I've kind of got Houston, Byron Nelson, Texas, Valera. Like, there's too many tournaments in Texas. Like, just let's, you guys pick. Like, even the colonial, I would keep colonial. I think that one has the most history and tradition in the best field. But I would love to see them get more creative
Starting point is 00:18:25 with the locations, like go to the Pacific Northwest, like how can we not get more parts of the country involved? And when there's, especially in the middle of the summer, you know, four tournaments in Texas, and then this one kind of runs right, and like you got waste management, you know, you've got like, honestly, the farmers, it's kind of on my list, like I'd be good
Starting point is 00:18:44 not seeing Tori every year. Wow. I like the farmers, like my list. Like I'd be good not seeing Tori every. Wow. I like the farmers. Like I don't like Tori, but maybe it's just hangover from Tiger playing it. Neil, you're such an architecture to be this. No, I just, I think that course is boring on TV. And like I, you know, I get my dose of paragliders,
Starting point is 00:18:59 like, you know, maybe they could just change up the location. I feel like something always happens at farmers though. It's the start of the golf season. It was probably again from when the cat would start his golf season. But it's a better field. I don't know why I get, I tune in for farmers. What they should do with the AMX is turn it into the two stable ferd.
Starting point is 00:19:19 I'm just the international. If it's gonna be a birdie fest, like, you know, change up the scoring, I don't know, make it unique in some way. At least the Zurich has tried to make it unique. It's stupid, but, you know, I give him credit for trying. True, I'll give him that. They have walk-up music. Yeah, they got walk-up music, that's what he likes.
Starting point is 00:19:36 That's what he likes. That's what he likes. That's what he likes. Do you wanna talk about Cantlay? I do, I do wanna mention Cantlay. Of course I love, you know, everyone's favorite treadstone asset. He's a true killer, but the pace of play stuff is an issue. And maybe he's killing people with pace of play. Oh, he's just taken so damn long on the greens.
Starting point is 00:19:55 And some of the guys on the message board and the refuge we're talking about it too, it's taken him like a minute and 50 seconds to put like from when that, you know, the other guy goes like, he's just studying it from every angle He's never in a hurry and I don't know like we talked about it last week It's like the tour needs to be more proactive with this stuff It's just like it just sucks to watch these guys play so damn slow And I think can't lays a like a repeat offender and you know, he needs to be he needs to be called out for it I'll say this and I consider it cheating I do like it's
Starting point is 00:20:25 Willfully breaking the rules. And they're not, you know, they're not, like the rules say 45 seconds, right? When you're out of the position. But like that's the rules say you must make a concerted effort to play quickly, swiftly, right? I think the torch should adjust the rule to just make it like very black and white of like,
Starting point is 00:20:45 yo, don't take too long to play. It's, it's just not good for the game. And it sucks to watch. So speed up. Can't like, come on. I think he's got some, he's got some goodwill in the bank from taking down Bryson. Like, I want to root for him, but I hate that. He plays so slow.
Starting point is 00:20:59 I feel like he's gotten better. I don't, I didn't see this, this issue today, but I felt like at least the TV has gotten better at not you know When he's doing his feet shuffle thing they they'd get in maybe a little bit later into it, but it doesn't feel like It's been an issue, you know nearly as much as it has in the past, but I didn't notice this one other guy I want to call out from am x's Harold Varner the third I I love hv3 He has some Icarito in them too, so it's very relatable
Starting point is 00:21:24 I feel like he gets going. He's got some feelings behind her. And then like, you know, whole 10 through 13 something really big and bad happens. And he nobody gets dropped from coverage quicker than HV3. Like it just goes sideways and then he, you know, they show him tapping in. It's like, oh man, that was a tough finish. Not as always with the, you know, not his day, but I'm sure he'll have.
Starting point is 00:21:46 And I'm so I'm rooting for it because I know how that feels. And it's like, damn, I really want him to break through and get a big win. I mean, Farmer, shame his power. I know we gotta mention him. Of course. All of our Irish folks out there, he got vaporized today. Higgs played bad, Harry Higgs played bad today.
Starting point is 00:22:04 Saheef the Gala, Joseph Bramlett, Harry Higgs played bad today, Sehith Gala, Joseph Bramlett, Cameron Youngshot 77. I was, I loved watching him on Kornfairy the last, last couple of years. He's been fantastic. I was, was looking forward to watching more of him today and he just got absolutely ejected. But that was out there today. Totally. That's, you know, that's, that's, that's a, that was kind of out there. Like the first couple of days too. Like if you're not on, like Matt Wolfe from Mikkelsen got coastorized, shout to Martin trainer making the cut as well. T 55. He had a tough day today. 75, but a T 55 for him. That's very unsarcastic. He's, he's stringing together some made cuts,
Starting point is 00:22:39 man. Didn't DJ, uh, pick him. I don't know if he was last week, I think. Yeah. He was a week early. I feel like we saw a lot of Seawoo. He had a not really nice f-bomb on the online coverage. Yeah. Uh, I feel like we saw a lot of him, despite him finishing T11 and, you know, playing pretty well on Sunday. He also had that that sorority or fraternity looking letters on his back. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. And you know, ATO. If PGA Tour Outerware on his left chest.
Starting point is 00:23:12 And sure enough. Oh, you are. I know this PGA Tour Outerware thing. I was like, well, are they? What are they doing? It was a live under par. I somebody from the board on that spot should deal reached out. He said to explain it to us and I was like, I'm good. Yeah. I think we're good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:27 Joe R. Kiri just keeps like he's the gift that keeps on giving. I also want to give out a shout out to Sabatini's outfit. Distinct hitter Blanco. I was so classy. And then someone I saw a video of him taking his sweater off of this hat still on, which is serial cover for sure. Well, as we move on from the am X, I say this now, there's five teams remaining in the NFL playoffs. But by the time you listen to this, there'll be four teams remaining in the NFL
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Starting point is 00:24:55 I'm memorizing it. That's all burned in my memory. Who you got to see, Rubel? Can we at least get through tonight's game before I pick the name? No, because if I say the bills, then they lose tonight, that's not gonna be good. Niners, bangles, baby.
Starting point is 00:25:09 Let's go. I am hyped. I am fully on the Sinsi bandwagon. The bangles are electric. Randy hasn't talked to me since last night. I was too harsh on Zach Taylor in our text right with Pooosh, but I think if it's Niners, bangles, I think I gotta root for the bangles. You're gonna to like I'm a now shanny. Bengals. I just I know what it would
Starting point is 00:25:30 mean to the city of Cincinnati and and you know, shanny's got he's got plenty of super balls and that was such an awesome game. Both those games yesterday were incredible. I mean, Vrable and today was great. Well, I mean, I hated seeing the Rams almost gift wrapped that to TB 12. I'm thrilled they won, but they did everything they could not. Shannie beats McVeigh seven times in a row. This is the seventh win in a row against McVeigh. I realize it's a lot of lopsided. They won three out of the first four. And then interesting. This will be game 11. Well, stick to golf guys. Come on. Thomas Peters wins yet again his second win in three months
Starting point is 00:26:05 This is his sixth win on the dude perfect world tour officially back By the way somebody is asking you guys hate dude perfect or something like No issue with the dude. That's just DP. That's exactly what they're damn Patrick world tour That's what it's for come on. Dan a compatriot world tour. Come on How much I get to watch much from Yoss links? I actually did. I recorded it this morning. I watched most of the final round and then it was there was some pretty frothy conditions all week.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Friday was really spicy. Dude, it just punches all over the yard. Rory said afterward he didn't feel like he had a stock shot all week. Like also some other quotes from players seem like they may not like that very much. Which how about Rory even before the week saying that he's not gonna hit many drivers this year? Yeah, that's confusing. Yeah, you're one of the best hitters of drivers in the world
Starting point is 00:26:57 ever in the history of the game. And you know what, that's your big advantage. I'm just gonna hit more three with this here because the cat did that too. Cat was also not a good driver at the golf ball, Roy, I think it's a little bit different, but I don't know where that quote was or who he said that to or what the official strategy
Starting point is 00:27:11 there was behind it, but yeah, that's a little trouble, but I just want Roy to hit better wedges. Like let's focus on other parts of the game. It sounded like he was kind of intimating that in the quotes, but yeah, it was, I thought the move to Yoss links was fantastic. Some others did not. People maybe disagree.
Starting point is 00:27:31 I believe, you know, in the same week in which there was a drone strike in Abu Dhabi. Missles and drones. Yeah. Tirol Hatton about the 18th hole said, I would love for a bomb to drop on it and blow it up to oblivion to be honest. After, after this week, hadn't suggested he might take a more reason to approach to the whole show, the tournament return to Yoss links in future years. He said, perhaps I may not be back unless they redo it in the next 358 days.
Starting point is 00:27:59 And we're, yeah, so let's, let's, let's just, let's do the hat in part now. So he's talking about the 18th hole. He says, that must be one of the worst par fives I've ever seen in my life. And over the last two days, I've clearly played it as well as it was designed. What's wrong with it? Where do you start? It shouldn't have a bunker in the middle of the fairway. And it shouldn't be over 600 yards from a forward tee. If you hit a good drive as approach, you should have at least a chance to go for the green and two.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Otherwise, the hole becomes a part of three. And that's if you play it well. If you hit a good drive as approach, you should have at least a chance to go for the green and two. Otherwise, the whole becomes a part of three. And that's if you play it well. Hardly anyone will get there in two with the wind even slightly against you. Do we need to pause because we can go through? He also goes into great details of all the ways he messed up the whole. He made a nine on it. He said, I definitely still think it is an awful whole.
Starting point is 00:28:41 Today we are off the very backties and you wonder why when you want to encourage aggressive golf and make it exciting for the spectators. I'm obviously not a fan. If we're coming back here next year, it will be nice if they redesigned it. He's pissed that he hit his bunk, his T-shot down the middle into that ridiculous bunker. Here's a thing. I disagree with him on his, you know, evaluation of a good and bad parfives. And I don't, I haven't didn't get to watch much of this. So I don't have like a ton of firsthand knowledge, but I do appreciate him speaking his mind. Even if it's, it's, it's a lot of speech, even if it's bitch. This is bitchy number one.
Starting point is 00:29:19 I don't want to discourage him from doing more of that because I enjoy it. So I keep going like the shit that he says. I had a three iron into the water behind the green and had to drop my ball into the vegetation behind the hazard. And the green side bunker where it was basically unplayable just like the day before when I dropped it into the bunker. Someone could easily hurt their wrist playing from that stuff. It's a tough look for him. I did the same thing this next time I chunked it in the bunker and left it in the sand with my neck shut and I splashed out and two put it.
Starting point is 00:29:47 I lost kind of how many I've taken by then. This whole concept though of like, these golf courses have to be like exactly or how I like them or I'm not coming next year. It's just like so, so I don't know what the, the tour pros might just have too much power, right? And like I've totally lost perspective
Starting point is 00:30:07 and we're gonna get into like five different other ways that other Tor Pros maybe have lost some perspective over time and just like operating in their own sphere of like, and I gotta get it, like you have so many options or where you wanna play like, where would I go play somewhere where I don't like? But I think that's what leads to so many of golf's problems and why the setups are very formulaic. People don't like, but I think that's what leads to so many of golf's problems and why the setups are very formulaic, people don't like this uncomfortable
Starting point is 00:30:27 nature of just any kind of shot bouncing away that they don't want to. Like Abu Dhabi, the original Abu Dhabi club is that is a totally nothing golf course. It kind of reminds me of, you know, it's like a Palm Springs course. Pretty much. And this is at least different with some variables.
Starting point is 00:30:43 I'm not claiming Yoss links is great. I thought it was okay, but a little bit. I think it's interesting to watch. Yeah, some viewer. Some random humps and bumps and stuff that is, you know, add some variability to it, but it didn't look like a genius design. Eight, the 18th hole, I think does is not great.
Starting point is 00:30:57 If I look at the overheads, like I think it's interesting. It is, I think he's got a point in terms of, you know, there should be some element of risk reward to the whole. Otherwise, like, I can agree that a three shot hold can be really fun and interesting. If there's like strategy and options as to where to lay it up, when there's water all down the left side and you have to like lay it up to the, this exact spot, I don't think that's necessarily interesting. But I think the whole could be improved. If you got like pop bunkers that you need to avoid and maybe create different angles
Starting point is 00:31:25 to approach different kind of pins, like I'm thinking of the 17th hole at TPC Scottsdale, which is a dribble four, but like where they put that pin leads you to like different places you wanna lay up to, if you're not going for the green, that can be interesting, you know, if you're not just going forward and two,
Starting point is 00:31:41 so I kind of get it, but at the same time this whole attitude of like Rory saying he's not coming back until 2026 because of Yoss links. Like, that's just disappointing. It's just funny to me, though, that like, happens all pissed off that he hit it in the center line bunker. And it, but like, you know, you can't get home in two. So why are you hitting in this, like, why are you hitting it out there in the center line
Starting point is 00:32:00 bunker? Like that, you're, like, you're not thinking this shit. Yeah. If you can't get there, like, lay up short of the off the two with a three wood. So it's not even a factor. The best place bunkers are the ones that are exactly where you want to hit it. Yeah. That's why so did Rory like that he have comments on the course as like similar because if he does,
Starting point is 00:32:18 it's totally fine if they don't like the course and like, you know, Rory's allowed to not come back. Like I don't have a problem with him saying that. I just, I don't have a problem with Hatten saying this. I disagree with what he's saying. He sounds, you know, bitchy. But, you know, he's allowed to feel that way. I just disagree with his, you know, entitlement
Starting point is 00:32:39 that he should be able to reach every par five he plays in too. Like, I think that's not. Or that they need to redesign it if they're gonna come back here next year. That's the part that bothered me. Like I think that's not. Or that they need to redesign it if they're going to come back here next year. That's the part that bothered me. Like the golf courses exist 51 other weeks of the year.
Starting point is 00:32:52 It's not just not everything is about professional golf. Yeah, I guess what I'm saying with Rory is like if somebody asked him, Rory, what did you think of the course this week? I didn't like it. Like he's, you know, that's, I think that's totally fine assessment. I also, I would love to hear players say more stuff like that about the courses they play.
Starting point is 00:33:06 Brodie was asked about it. He was told the event will be played here for at least another three years. His smiling response said it all, quote, see you in 2026. That's from John Huggins golf. I just started. Okay. It's like, all right, guys. And I don't know. You're all playing the same fucking golf course too. And it's, there's an entertainment aspect to this that like we probably weren't getting out of Abu Dhabi, the original course, but whatever. Except for when Fleetwood hit that one shot.
Starting point is 00:33:33 That shot into the sun in the sandstorm. Sick. Victor Dupuison at a T4. I honestly had kind of forgotten about that guy. That was, that seemed like a random one. It's a great facial hair too. Great facial hair. And anything else from Abu Dhabi? Scott Jamison, really, really good week for him.
Starting point is 00:33:50 He's actually a pawn of Yudraga. Yes. I don't know. It was an interesting later board. I thought, you know, I enjoyed it. I thought it was a nice change of pace from what you'd normally have in the desert. Akshay Bhatt Batia 19 years old wins.
Starting point is 00:34:08 The Bahamas great Exuma classic. His girlfriend, Presley was on the bag for that. We actually had a chance to catch up with Oxe briefly after the win. Let's go ahead and play that now. All right. So we're recording this a couple days after your first career win on the Corn fairy tour. What's, what's the coolest thing that's happened in the last 48 hours? Oh, I don't even know.
Starting point is 00:34:28 It was really overwhelming. The night I won so overwhelming, you know, everyone texted me and all the social media and it's just been crazy and trying to come come here two days later and prep for another event. Like nothing really happened is this hard but I think the coolest thing is I hit a hundred thousand followers on Instagram which I've wanted to see and I've wanted to do for such a long time so it's new up south with my Instagram we were pumped about that.
Starting point is 00:35:01 That nothing says I'm still a teenager than you're most excited about it. 100,000 followers on Instagram. So what does this do for you, man? Like, you know, what is this? Does this change anything for you in terms of what your expectations are? I mean, I know it's a kind of immediate after this, but what are your thoughts there? I mean, expectations. I don't know if change, but just nice to be able to have a schedule now.
Starting point is 00:35:26 The first four events to, you know, to make a cut and play my way into the reshoff for the rest of the season and to finally have a four year now on this tour. Obviously, again, ahead of the, ahead of the pack and now I can just kind of free up a little bit less stress for sure and it's really cool. So I'm happy I was able to get that win and yeah, it's crazy. So crazy. Did this feel early in the process for you in terms of winning on the corn fairy tour? Like I said, you're 19 years old. Does that, you know, I feel like you've taken a very long term approach to your professional career and you know, I feel like you've taken a very long term approach to your professional career. And you know, you want to get out early,
Starting point is 00:36:08 get acclimated to, you know, start the process. But do you feel like now maybe you're even ahead of where you maybe you thought you'd be at this point? Yeah, I mean, it's so hard to say. All the experiences I've had on the PJ tour, top 10-ing, being in contention, a couple times, going through the really lows, and going through some highs. I think it was just bound to happen, and I didn't know when
Starting point is 00:36:33 it was going to happen. It could happen another year or, you know, six months from now or whenever, but I knew the game was there. It's just how, mentally, mentally tonight overcome the self-pressure I put on myself and playing against these guys, obviously it's a different level. So I think being able to play a bunch of Torvents really helped me and realized that once I got out of here, maybe I had a little more edge knowing that some of these guys really haven't played any Torvents. Some of these guys haven't contended in tour events. And I think that really helped me and prepared me for this tour.
Starting point is 00:37:10 So what's it like trying to close out a golf tournament with someone on your bag that is not a seasoned caddy? What can you tell us about what that process is like? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. She's always supported me. She's been there for me to watch every event almost. And just for everything to happen this last week, it was, I guess it was just meant to be.
Starting point is 00:37:34 I mean, she caddies for me. We get a free room at sandals right on the golf course. You know, we're in the Bahamas. Everything, you know, can't have planned out better. But yeah, I don't know. I guess just having heramas, everything, you know, can have planned out better, but Yeah, I don't know. I guess just having her there. She's a really calm person and maybe having her presence there helped me out a little bit, but It was awesome and it's a story we're gonna remember for the rest of our lives and yeah, it's funny. We were joking about You know, what if we did win this week right before we left? What if we did you know win and how cool would that be and for it to actually happen is you know, what if we did win this week right before we left? What if we did, you know, win and how cool would that be and for it to actually happen as, you know, it's amazing.
Starting point is 00:38:10 Well, it's funny because I remember Max Holmas told us a story about a caddy he had in the Bahamas that was not a season caddy at all. And he felt like he was having to work extra hard to like caddy for his caddy during the event as well as play. And do you experience that at all with her, with not knowing like intricacies of golf or that all went over five? She's, I think at first, you know, when we met, she didn't, she didn't really know anything about golf. And I think with her watching me, you know, probably seven eight events and coming in here, she pretty much knew what to do.
Starting point is 00:38:44 I told her where to stand. She would get the flag. She would just polite to everyone. She washed my golf gloves, washed my balls, and she would use her nails to clean my grooves, which is for the fun. Yeah, she did great. It was really, really fun.
Starting point is 00:39:02 Does this, I guess, your plans for the year, are you, you know, seeking any sponsors, exemptions on the PGA tour this year? Does this win, change your plans and trying to figure out your path to the PGA tour? Are you fully dedicated to the Corn Ferry Tour? What can people expect out of you this year? Honestly, I have no idea.
Starting point is 00:39:19 I'd like to probably focus out here. My goal has changed a little bit now. I've trying to just finish number one on this and on the top 25 and getting to the players, getting to the US Open in 2023. So those are kind of the, you know, the goals I want to, you know, set for myself and maybe I'll get a sponsor exemption here or there, but I'll leave that up to my agents to figure all that out That's awesome Well, we'll let you get back to celebrating in the Bahamas and don't celebrate too hard
Starting point is 00:39:50 You got an event starting up here in a couple days as well, so but Thanks as always for coming on and joining good luck to you and congrats man. We're really excited for you Thank you. Thanks. How about that, huh? I mean a lot of people gave him a lot of shit for that process, still continue to give him shit for, you know, going the route that he's gone and he's 19 years old and has won on the core for it. Yeah, I'm rooting for him. I got, you know, I think, especially the way
Starting point is 00:40:13 he finished the tournament, he stuffed the pinnionto at the last hole. Yeah, good for him. I hope he pans out, you know what I mean? I don't want him to become like a cautionary tale. I say, is there a good comp for him? And I have one name that comes to mind. Have a nod.
Starting point is 00:40:26 That was the exact, we might have talked about this before, but that was exactly what I thought of. Because he skipped college, right? And kind of, I think he struggled there for a while and got it together. What was nods like first two or three years? Did he go straight to the tour or was it Corn Fairy? I just, like, I'm not super familiar with his first two or three years
Starting point is 00:40:46 on tour. I'm not either, but I'll just say this about Oxe. If people thought the plan, I don't ever think his mindset was, I'm so good, I'm going to the PGA tour at age 17. It was just like, hey, college is not for me. I'm going to start my pro career early. I'm going to hope a lot of money. I'm going to hope to beat the curve on you know some of these guys and like gosh in that interview He says you know, I have always respected this about him like when he was an amateur He was like traveling to Monday qualifiers for corn fairy tour like that do put himself out there for a long time And he referenced like having some reps on PGA tour in PGA tour events top 10 in PGA tour events
Starting point is 00:41:21 He even said like a lot of those guys have not played played in as big of events as I've played in. And I use that experience to help win on the Cornfairy tour. Like good for him. Now as goals change, he said he's trying to win. Going to be number one on the Cornfairy tour so he gets in the players, gets in the US open and things like that. Like props to him, man.
Starting point is 00:41:37 He seems like he's got a great kid, good head on his shoulders and plan some really good golf. You talked to any kid that graduated high school the last four or five years, and like all of them speak absolutely glowingly of them too. Yeah. Work ethic plays well at the right times. Like he seems like, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:56 I know he catches stick because he's on social a little time and all that, but it seems like he's about the right stuff. Yep. Does this story change now with the NIL stuff? You think like you guys going to college, I could sign massive sponsorship deals and play in school too.
Starting point is 00:42:11 I'd be interested to ask a college coach about how recruiting has gone now, so the NIL stuff, but doesn't seem to be a ton of money flowing into golf on that one. Even like college basketball, it doesn't seem like, I mean, I know football, all the NIL stuff seems to be blowing up, but I was reading an athletic article, a friend Brendan Quinn wrote it just about
Starting point is 00:42:29 the basketball stuff and how much, even more slimy it's gotten with AAU coaches reaching out about transfers and all that. And it's like, everybody's considering transferring at all times, it sounds awful. It's, yeah, gosh, I hate being the, this is what I stopped watching this, but like, it's kind of getting there. And the immediate transfer stuff makes it pretty darn hard to, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:53 know, the same way, but also just doesn't help to be a lot older than the kids, but he got us to help the relatability. So on the LPGA tour, Danielle Kang ran away with it here. A weird weather we can Florida and up in Jackson's well, it's been cold. on the LPGA tour, Danielle Kang ran away with it here. Weird weather we can Florida and up in Jackson's well. It's been cold. It was a weird vibe at that turn. It's weird also a different tournament going to Lake
Starting point is 00:43:13 known at Game Bridge was at Lake known a last year. This is the now the Hilton Grand Vacations. Big Flash no longer involved in it. We may have to call Big Flash back. Big Flash cashed out, you know, and his presence was missed dearly. and it was a decent amount of celebrity coverage, but it wasn't the atrocity. It wasn't the Marty fish. No. Invitational at the end. It felt like it was pretty decently.
Starting point is 00:43:27 It was a decent amount of celebrity coverage. It was a decent amount of celebrity coverage. It was a decent amount of celebrity coverage. It was a decent amount of celebrity coverage. It was a decent amount of celebrity coverage. It was a decent amount of celebrity coverage. It was a decent amount of celebrity coverage. It was a decent amount of celebrity coverage.
Starting point is 00:43:42 It was a decent amount of celebrity coverage. It was a decent amount of celebrity coverage. It was a decent amount of celebrity coverage, but it wasn't the atrocities. It wasn't the Marty fish. No. Invitational at the end. It felt like it was pretty decently complimentary. They don't have that many cameras out there to begin with. The, anyways, Danielle Kang, the mud hen, sported a new haircut, went out and won it on Sunday. Gabby Lopez faded pretty hard there. Like Gabby Lopez was just going to waltz away with it. Yeah. I watched the whole thing today and it was like Gabby and Nelly just did not show up. They were both really frustrated, low energy and flubbed ships.
Starting point is 00:44:13 It was just, and just the weather, the whole, the whole feel of the place just didn't, didn't seem like there was a lot of good juju out there. But congrats to Danielle Kang. She played, she played awesome. Yeah. I don't, I don't love Nelly the second you throw some conditions into the mix I think like you put her in in dome golf like she's Rory nobody better. Yeah, that's Yeah, that's pretty. Yeah, that's pretty darn accurate
Starting point is 00:44:36 She just look cold out there. She's from Florida like it just did not look like She would she would like putt and she go put on a parker exactly not look like. She would like putt and she go put on a park. Exactly. I mean, hold on. I don't like that. I don't know if it's that cold. It's like the 49ers Packers game. Yeah. Yeah. She's need like a, you know, sideline heater after, after she'd three putt.
Starting point is 00:44:56 I was tagged in on this one and Murray, super famous Canadian. I have no idea who she is. The Canadians are all over me on Twitter about it. I said, hey, I don't know who this lady is. She said, I have been watching at Hilton Grand Vacation, hashtag women's golf tournament on at NBC Golf for two days. And I've seen all of 30 seconds of Brooke Anderson. And yet she's only two strokes behind.
Starting point is 00:45:19 What is going on? Hashtag golf, hashtag golf channel, hashtag LPGA. At LPGA, hashtag Canadian golf, at Golf Canada, hashtag golf hashtag golf channel hashtag LPGA at LPGA hashtag Canadian golf at golf Canada hashtag golf Canada Did she call a big flash waiting into hamster damn first of all and welcome to the dark side. Yes We were glad to have you here. We're good to be with you Second of all, how did you not know to see that her albums have sold fifth at 55 million copies worldwide in a 40-year career one I'm told that she is Canada's sweetheart. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Well, you need to, many people are saying, you need to listen to some of her content here over the next couple of weeks. Kind of sounds like a female, like, you know, Brian Adams or something. Come back and let us know what you think next week. I think that'll be a takeaway for all of us. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:45:58 We should, we should all listen to a few albums. Darcy Rosseter said, Brooke Henderson, a Canadian war earmuffs in 52 degree weather in Florida. As a Canadian, should I turn in my passport to the nearest embassy? I'll put this in here because I want to make this point for those of you that don't know. When you see 52 in Florida, it's damn cold. I grew up in the Midwest. I know cold. Okay. It's a different kind of cold. It's a different kind of cold. Low fifties in Florida. It sucks. It's four layers, it's beanies, it's the works.
Starting point is 00:46:25 Trust me. A 55 degree day, like in the winter in Ohio, you can wear short sleeves. If you get 55 in Florida, it is multiple, multiple layers. Kind of like that San Francisco cold. Yeah. You know, it gets in your bones a little bit. Amen.
Starting point is 00:46:39 Well, we played, I said earlier, we played golf yesterday. It was 40 degrees and windy. We were the only people on the course. Yeah. And it wasn't really raining. It was just like, nobody was interested in being out there. And Z2AZ. Yeah, I put this one in there.
Starting point is 00:46:53 Sent this one in big on a Kofam back in the day and no, she's a casual golfer these days. But is it kind of scummy? She's competing as a celebrity at her home course. She made the cut in the LPGA attorney at Knownit last year and won US the senior women's open. I struggle, yeah. I was, of course, so I went back and forth on this,
Starting point is 00:47:14 because we must protect the integrity of the celebrity division. No, I got for Derek Lowe winning it. Well, that's what I was saying is like on the one hand, I think it's really funny to see like the best women golfer of all time battling Derek Lowe and Mark Mulder and John Smoltz, like just going to battle.
Starting point is 00:47:28 She's going for the same tease as them. I couldn't, I didn't, I think so. I think, I didn't see that. Like that could have been a pretty good equalizer, right? I think that, that concept right there, like very much in bodies, like Kyle Porter's, like normal sport. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:43 You know, just like, okay, this is great. Like they're, you know, high level. And she's going against like Larry Fitzgerald, who's like one of the biggest sandbaggers of all time. Well, they don't do the, they don't do the sandbaggers in this one. Isn't it all the, aren't all the celebrities like good players in this amount? It seems like the ones that have it,
Starting point is 00:47:57 it's like smolts and, or lakers, not that good. I think like, isn't like Larry Cable, I think Larry's the best. Oh yeah, you're right. All right, I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Tom Abbott had a great tweet. He went and like fished out, no pun intended here with Marty fish.
Starting point is 00:48:10 The players scores in their handicap. So Marty fish plays off plus 2.8 and through three rounds. It's basically his tweet was ever wondered how you would fare in an LPJ event. So Lebs are playing stable for this week, but from the same tease. And he said through three rounds, Nelly Court is 13 under. Marty Fish, a plus 2.8 from the same teas, plus eight. Derek Lowe, a 0.2 plus six. Alfonso Ribeiro, a 0.3.
Starting point is 00:48:34 I don't know about that one, but he was plus 24. Jack Wagner, a 1.1 handicap, was plus 16. And Josh Beckett, a 2.7 index was plus 27. God, these pitchers play. Yeah. A lot of golf. A lot of golf. Well, so with with onicas, like on the one hand, I'm like, yeah, that's fun. It's entertaining, but it does feel a little like beneath her. Like I don't, you know, for her to be playing in the celebrity division, for
Starting point is 00:48:58 a short time. It kind of also cares, but it also cares. But I saw that question come in. I was like, oh, yeah. What I was thinking this, I was like struggling with that in my head of where I net out on it. I guess I net it out on it doesn't matter. Doesn't this seem like the one who turned like the, which is nothing matter. No, yeah, like who, who fucking cares? The whole tournament champions,
Starting point is 00:49:17 things seems like the easiest event for them to do a co-out event with the PGA tour. Like definitely. Super limited fields. You know, you play it, like shit, you can play it at Capelua and you've got, you know, like a course that seems like it would fit LPGA playing styles as well. Capelua. God damn it. I'm just going to be all over Capelua with no time.
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Starting point is 00:51:08 cash app. It is a very, very fun app. All right. Should we get to the Doug Ferguson story on the US women's open purse going up before that? I forgot to I forgot to curl a little bit to kumi kenaya showing up your P and tour. TC come on man. He was like T25. Just saying, he's playing all over the world right now. He's manipulating. He was, he was. How's he getting all these events? He's top 50 in the world.
Starting point is 00:51:34 How's he exactly? You know, you see, you're just baiting me on this stuff. Rasmus Hogard T20. These guys are coming man. There's like 20 players in that field. Let's get to the Doug Ferguson order. The straight to field was better at the AMX. Come on. Come on. Don't bring that weak shit in here. I'll mottombo that. All right. There's a Doug Ferguson story for AP sports. This was and he's interviewing a couple players with their reaction to the
Starting point is 00:51:57 US women's open purse going up, which we covered last week. Web Simpson speaks first. He says never never a never a good thing when a web opens this mouth. My first thought was good for them. It's great to see the women's game getting the attention it deserves. Does the quote in there, it, we probably would not be talking about it if it did.
Starting point is 00:52:15 He continues, my next thought was if they're doing that great, but I think the players have a general understanding of how much money they make at each US open. I would like it to go way up. He's of course not talking about the men's side. I'd like to see ours double. We're seeing the players championship at $20 million this year. I think the tour has put a healthy pressure on the majors to increase as well. Here's the deal. We all know they have it or the ability to do it without compromising your business model as a player.
Starting point is 00:52:41 It makes us happy not so much that it's more money, but it feels like they're showing us respect. Well, I was looking for the quad. Well, but I'll get no respect. God, I forgot the players' change. Show me. Show me the money. Show me the money. I mean, I don't know where to start with this.
Starting point is 00:52:59 It's just incredible. It's truly incredible to think about how much the men's game dominates the pay scale. In, there are two separate markets. I get all the reasons why, but like the second, the second the women get like thrown a bone, one purse, they get one tournament. They get to play for $10 million. And bang, the pros go straight for complaining
Starting point is 00:53:21 how much they get for the US men's outfit. Snettaker's comments. Snettaker is next. So that's been the tour policy for so long. Instead of addressing the elephant in the room for tournaments, we have no control over. Keep punching up the players to push them to keep up with us. They've always been lagging behind the players. I don't know at what point they have to start catching up.
Starting point is 00:53:38 Or what? Are you going to skip the US open? I know. I know. I know. I'm like, you know, at some point it's like there's that the US open? I know, I know. Brands, snettaker? You know, at some point it's like, the US open purse is, it's enough, sure. It'll, like, should it go up, you know,
Starting point is 00:53:51 over the next few years, sure, but like, like who says it has to keep up with the players? Exactly. What? Like these major championships are, I don't wanna live in like a fairy tale world where it's like, it's about the glory, it's about the, you know, the trophies and all that.
Starting point is 00:54:04 But money matters. Can these tournaments be about the glory, it's about the, you know, the trophies and all that, but money matters. Can these tournaments be about the glory? Can these four be about that? You have a whole tour set up to just funnel you the most amount of money possible bonuses, pension, all of that stuff is the entertainment aspect of golf, all right. You get that is, and can we let these four tournaments just be, you know, what they are? Can you make the fans make the, like they feel like, feel something watching it? I just, like, this is driving me fucking nuts, man. Like, what are we doing here? So they're at, what, they're 12, or $12 million.
Starting point is 00:54:34 Or more. 12.5, I think, is the purse for the US men's this year. Okay. And in 2017, it was at 12. So, yeah, they probably, they probably need to bump it up a little bit, I think, but, you know, just kind of keep pace with, but, you know, but yeah, like the outrage of, you know, oh, you're doing this for the ladies like fuck off. Yeah, I guess that's the thing. It's like, I, you know, I don't mind web and brand wanting. Yeah, I would like the US Open purse, but why'd you pick that time to make that, take that stand of like, what, like, what's the point? What's the, why appeal,
Starting point is 00:55:05 like did they think getting this out to the masses was gonna rally the fans to be like, yes, the men deserve more pay. I agree with Webb and Brandt's net occur here. It's also fun. I mean, it's doubled over the last like 15 years, the process. So, that seems pretty good.
Starting point is 00:55:21 Well, and I get like, when they got, when they signed the big Fox deal, like there was some, you know, there wasn't a big boost right immediately in pay and some dues were pretty pissed of like wait a second here, like, that deal had a B like for billion in it. And I understand that the US men's open
Starting point is 00:55:36 is what funds the whole organization. And they have, they have $800 million in like cash reserves. They have a lot of money and- USG does. So I do get that, but at a certain point, it's just like, man, it's amazing to take that moment to just be like, yes, pour us over here.
Starting point is 00:55:50 We need more money in our turns. Yeah, I think that's the issue I have is the timing of it. Yeah. Like I, you know, the justification or what, it's just like, yeah, it's a little tone deaf. And web also continues, it's not the money issue. I'm upset about. It's an honor to be at the masters,
Starting point is 00:56:03 but as the game has evolved and the revenues have evolved, I think the purse should evolve to. So I'm sure he'll be on some on the phone with the green jackets, you know, making sure they push that through for an increase. For sure. For sure. Jordan Speed said, I don't think the men are going to be upset if we don't get a massive boost. It's great for the game. What's happening with the US women's open? I think it will draw more eyeballs because of that. It's more taking a look throughout the other major championships and saying what makes sense. That seems reasonable. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:33 reasonable. I think it's still a little bit of like crying poor for like how much the majors are getting funding right now. But it's more reasonable. And it is like, yes, it's an investment in the game. A lot of companies are starting to trend towards wanting to, there's a great article, I forget if it was on Yahoo, talking about the KPMG women's PGA, how they were big leaders in this and how companies are starting to line up to, you know, for initiatives that support diversity
Starting point is 00:56:59 and women in the workplace, the companies are lining up to spend money on major LPGA tour events. Hopefully that trickles into the rest of the LPGA tour. But this is an investment from the US, US, USGA into this event to like hopefully draw more eyeballs on it. And it's also tough too because you got, we're coming off of 2020 and 2021 where like, like, there were, you know, limited fans for a year.
Starting point is 00:57:23 Some of these tournaments were canceled. Like, I would say, give them a year or two to get their ducks in a row and purse stuff on the men's side. Right? I mean, they've had massive buildouts canceled and, you know, no fans and a gust of like all that, you know? So, I don't know. I'll be ready for Co-CRAC.
Starting point is 00:57:42 Oh. Always ready for Co-CRAC. My God, Billy Joel. Coming out with another hit. Let's go. This was the highlight of my week. Listen to this, come back from the airport, late on a Thursday night.
Starting point is 00:57:56 He was on the five clubs podcast with Gary Williams. This happens around the 36 minute mark of the five clubs podcast. I do recommend you listen to it. Some guys are going on the five clubs podcast. And say it some things. And, you know, he's got him comfortable. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:10 Phil said some things. So I'm going to read a lot of quotes from this. He, you know, Gary Williams asked him about Saudi golf and the existential threat to the PGA tour. And he says, as I said earlier in the show, I'm an independent contractor. I'm trying to take advantage, you know, I've had long conversations with elite players on the PGA tour.
Starting point is 00:58:27 I'm going to use a lot of you nose in here because he kind of gets nervous when he starts talking about this. It starts going, you know, I haven't signed any $20 million contracts or any elevated contracts that would make me want to stay. I want to make as much money as I can in as little time as I can. Competition is good. The Saudi golf league or the Premier Golf League, whatever you want to call it, has gained some traction and created competition for the PGA tour and it has in turn
Starting point is 00:58:50 increased the purses. So I'm curious to see whether the PGA would have ever increased the purses without that competition. And it's scary to see how much money is out there and how much is held back from players, the people making the money for the tour end quote. We're going to we're going to break this down piece by piece there. The best case scenario is going to be co-crack going on an epic heater, which he's played great golf extraordinarily well. We're going on an epic heater, bagging a major, winning the players, winning the FedEx cup.
Starting point is 00:59:18 Like that would be sick. And then everybody just looks out and they're like, wait, like Jason, like Jason co-crack just made $18 million this year playing golf. Like Jason Cocrack. I mean, and how is a PXG troop an independent contractor? That's a great question. That's a great point.
Starting point is 00:59:34 You know, wouldn't that be like your, your imaginary? Well, so I don't even know where to go with all of this. It's a defense contractor. He calls the Saudi golf league, the premier golf league, the same thing, which we've got documented many times that is not the case. I kind of am with him on, you know, I think the tour kind of had to change the way that communicated the increases that were scheduled
Starting point is 00:59:55 to come. I think there was always going to be more money flowing in with this new TV deal. I don't quite subscribe to the conspiracy theory of that they would not have up the money at all without this forced competition, but I actually also really appreciate him saying, like I wanna make as much money as I can and as little time as I can. Like at least he puts his cards out there. He's got pocket aces, pocket kings,
Starting point is 01:00:16 and pocket queens, and he lays them out on the table. I had this a similar reaction when I listened to it that like it is, it's very soulless. Yes. I appreciate that he, that like it is, it's very solace. Yes. I appreciate that he's just, you know, he's being very clear about what his motivations are. Which, and hey listen, like it's a job for him. He's trying to make as much money as he can
Starting point is 01:00:34 in the shortest amount of time. I also agree with what he said there at the beginning was none of this stuff, the PGA tour has been, you know, pushed by this competition. So, you know, I can't disagree with any of that. That's what kills me. Whenever anybody says, God, you guys talk about the Saadi stuff way too much. You talk about the PGA stuff way too much.
Starting point is 01:00:54 Whether or not it ever materializes is almost irrelevant, right? It's forced change. Yeah. Listen to him talk about this and tell me it's not like a very, very real thing. So saying, hey, I had a long conversation with Jay. Yes. Lane, some basic, like I don't know. I'm laughing so much at J. Be like, fucking co-crap. Like, come on, man. Like, I'm trying to deal with Rory. I'm trying to deal with, you know, J. T. Jordan, all the like, co-crap. I come on, man. Remember, run org, man. They, they all count the same. He's, he continues.
Starting point is 01:01:24 If someone is going to pay me enough to retire in the next four years, it's more money than I could possibly make, winning multiple times on the PGA tour and being told what to do, Wednesday, Pro Am, etc. I had a long conversation with Jay, explain some basic ideas, some fundamental stuff that in my mind is common sense. In an everyday business mind, it's not. I just love the idea of like, co-crack explaining the PGA or golf business to Jaymon.
Starting point is 01:01:48 It's like, in my mind, if you're the Saudi's, like, why are you paying Jason Cocrack, $20 million up front? It's fucking Jason Cocrack, no offense, Jason. I don't think their business model is to make a lot of money off this thing, which we'll get to that. Co-crack continues.
Starting point is 01:02:04 I don't have any intention of going anywhere or signing anything as of right now. You know, cash is king. If someone pays me enough money that my kids kids are gonna have a head start on life, I have to take full advantage of that because I'm not a guy that has taken advantage of everything I've been dealt.
Starting point is 01:02:19 God, Co-Craft sounds like the perfect like day trader. Like stay home dad day trader. Like, yo, I'm'm flipping these deals, man. Like I'm seeking alpha out here. You don't even know. I just wanna have such a business man. I wanna revisit this last line. I'm not a guy that has taken advantage of everything.
Starting point is 01:02:34 I've been dealt. He's sponsored by golf Saudi. What is he leaving on the table? Is he, like what, what business opportunities is he saying no to? He continues to play the Saudi golf league to play 14 events or whatever. Supposedly more than half are going to be in the US. You're going to get a big bonus at the beginning of the year.
Starting point is 01:02:52 You're going to play for $20 million or whatever the amount of money that's going to be available to you, playing a 64 man field as opposed to playing in 128 or 132 or 156 man field, you're going to make a lot more money in a lot less time frame. As I said, I'm going gonna try to make as much money as I can as little time as I can. If the money is right, I'd love to go play that tour and play against some of the guys that are going to go out over there.
Starting point is 01:03:14 I hate to say the PGA tour is secondary, but I really don't have a bad choice in this situation. End quote. I would say like, yes, if you're morally bankrupt, you do not have a bad choice in this situation, but there's one of these two decisions is very different than the other. Yeah, and you got to go hang out with Bryson. Potentially, allegedly.
Starting point is 01:03:32 All the time. Which sucks, but it might be worth the money. Those two guys can count their money together. When asked about being puppets to whitewash a regime that has a poor human rights record, this is when it gets really good. I'm going to have you guys help me through this section if you don't mind. Okay. I'm going to have you fill in a particular line within what he says here,
Starting point is 01:03:52 which I think you're going to be able to figure out pretty quickly what it is. He says, I mean, yeah, I see and I read what people, you know, you know, you know, yeah, I remember this part. You got nervous. He was trying to pick his words. Question me or question what I'm doing based on what the Saudi government, right now, I'm a representative of the Gulf Saudi league,
Starting point is 01:04:11 not the league, but Gulf Saudi. They're trying to grow the game of golf. And that's what I'm representing is. Growing the game of golf. I'm not representing the Saudi government. I'm not a member of the government. I don't live there. It's just something that they pay me to represent
Starting point is 01:04:28 a functional level of... Growing this game. At a global level as opposed to bringing in the government. Or anything like that. I'm trying to... Grow this game. And be a representative of the game of golf at the highest level. And I want to...
Starting point is 01:04:42 Grow the game. Not just here in the United States, but around the globe. And I think that they're taking that step outside the box into trying to grow the game. They have the financial background to do this, you know, to grow the game in a way that we haven't seen before, you know, outside of the PGA tour. Hell yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:58 Can you imagine that the Saudis offered Coke like, hey, we want you to be a part of our government? Yeah. See, I was, I'm sure he got, he cleared this up because for all along, I thought he was a part of the Saudi government, but I'm really glad that he cleared that part up and he goes on to say, yeah, from what I've heard, you know, it is going to happen about the, you know, the Saudi, Saudi Gulf League. As soon as Phil's PIP check clears, I think I legitimately think
Starting point is 01:05:23 that's the hold up. Really? Yes. I don't know the time frame. It's hard for me to say because I've had very little conversations with the Saudi Gulf League. Yes, they're interested in me, you know, because I represent the Gulf Saudi side of it. So I would think I would be a guy. They would aim at, but I'm not going to jump ship for a small price tag.
Starting point is 01:05:39 I'm a top 30 player in the world right now. It's going to take quite a bit for me to go over there and play this league, and I'm interested to see what it has in store. It's not an ideal situation to be involved with golf Saudi as opposed to PGA tour, you know, coming out out on the PGA tour. I thought the PGA tour was going to be the epitome of my golf career, which is believe you meant to say a pity me, but he pronounces it epitome. He goes on to say his playing style is exciting and that he draws a little more than the average fan to them, which I would put him very much in the terms of being about his average of a draw as possible.
Starting point is 01:06:10 But no crack rules. And then he finally finishes with, yes, I took some money to represent the game of golf. I've had some backlash over, but that's backlash over something that's completely different than what I'm trying to do and what the Saudis are trying to put forward going forward. I think it's something in their past. It's their own country. It's their own problems. And of course, here we go.
Starting point is 01:06:29 But we have our own problems here in the United States, and I'm not one to point the finger first. I hate seeing a Xavier musketeer get dragged like that. Yeah. No, no, no, it's over something completely different. Or this exact thing is designed to distract you from the exact thing that we're talking about here. Putting dumping money into Vision 2030, paying all this, by any stretch of the imagination,
Starting point is 01:06:51 unreasonable amount of money into the game of golf is designed to normalize what is going on. It's already happening. It's happening. And it's like, I don't know if they are willfully, like if they're aware of this, or they truly think that like, they're that, that they,
Starting point is 01:07:06 their shit doesn't stink so much that they are. And you get the guys that are like, well, you what about China? What about China? China doesn't even want to go for it there. They don't want to host the HSBC. They don't, like, I don't know. It just has it all, man.
Starting point is 01:07:18 It just had this like, just, I know what's up here, because I'm the one being paid to say this. So you should listen to what I say here over anything else. And it's something that's totally different that everyone's mad about. Well, I mean, one thing I do appreciate is like, co-crack saying out loud like the way these guys, he didn't whitewash it.
Starting point is 01:07:36 Like, he's shamelessly like, cash is king. And I disagree with that and I think it's solace, but like, at least he's like, unlike some of these other guys like man Enough to say it. So that would be the only credit I would give him and it's nice to hear someone like Speak their truth a little bit. But then he tries to sell us on grow the game as well Of course the Saudis don't want to grow the game of golf like do not try to spoon feed me that I know no, I totally agree with that I was talking more of like, he's motivated about money.
Starting point is 01:08:07 Period point blank and he is trying to set up his family and his family alone doesn't care where the money's coming from. It's just funny to me, this guy is 36. He's won three times P.J. Tour all of him in the last two years. He's never finished in the top 15 in a major. Like, get the fuck out of here, man. Two years he's never finished in the top 15 in a major like Get the fuck out
Starting point is 01:08:34 Not one person has ever showed up to like watch Jason co-crack play golf and you're gonna act like you haven't been Extremely fortunate the way professional golf is treated he's earned it like he's made $20 million Yeah, and the PGA like all of what you just said is true and he in his mind is expecting to get a $20 million offer Like what world are we living in that like that? He doesn't move the needle, but he will he will probably get that offer. That's incredible because they want critical mass on the world world rankings Yeah So that's that a few other things to get to here as as we head towards the packet. Also a great article from James Corrigan. I see, my God. Oh boy.
Starting point is 01:09:09 Hendrick Stinson allegedly deciding between being Ryder Cup Captain and taking the Saudi money. This is fascinating. Well, especially I didn't realize he had like financial issues. Like he has in the past. In the past.
Starting point is 01:09:21 So like that makes it even more interesting of like, you know, 20 million, 30 million bucks from the Saudis. Like he could probably really use the money this at this point in his past. In the past. So that makes it even more interesting of like, you know, 20 million, 30 million bucks from the Saudis. Like, he could probably really use the money at this point in his career. He's done quite well since that he basically lost everything. It was that Alan Stanford thing, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:35 That was Vijay's boy. Yeah. And I think he had another bad financial incident as well. But we've ridden past his house at like, no, no, like he's fine. Sure. It's not a major issue. But yeah, gosh, that's just, what a weird, like imagine this sentence like three years ago, like Kendrick's sentence got aside between taking 30 million dollars
Starting point is 01:09:53 of Saudi money versus being the writer cup captain. Like polar opposite ends of like what I love about golf is like the one event that is just about something more than playing golf for money and just the dirtiest fucking money possible. It's not even a guaranteed captaincy either. It sounds like Luke Donald's getting all sorts of stuff. Robert Carlson.
Starting point is 01:10:13 Yeah. Carlson's a total dark horse, just, you know, charging hard. That's a pretty stark contrast. Yeah. I love the quote you have in here or from Korgens article quote, it's a heck of a decision. An interim member of Stenson's Codia said, it's complicated not only by the huge huge amounts on the offer. So this cap and see could be his one and only chance with so many big Europe figures about to come into the picture for future matches. But then it's far from guaranteed he will get in
Starting point is 01:10:40 this time anyway with Luke obviously having a strong shout and the case for Carlson seemingly strengthening by the day. So and also I want to cover I've previously called on last two podcasts. I've said I'd heard that the Saudi international would not be aired on golf channel. I finally have been corrected on that by one person put out a call to be corrected and I gladly have GC will be taped to laying the the dude perfect world tour and bumping the LPJ coverage to peacock to make it work for the Saudi. Can't stop the cock. Wow.
Starting point is 01:11:11 That's beautiful thing, but it will be televised. You know, the ladies get bumped to the cocks so they can show the Saudi the bone saw. How about that? Interesting. You want to take us to Bob Goldby here, TC? I did. Well, you know, I did. I didn't know much about Bob Goldby and unfortunately passed away this week and there's a lot of some good articles utilizing him.
Starting point is 01:11:33 I think shout out to Jeff Shackleford. He had a great article on the, is it the quadrilateral? Is that, this is great newsletter kind of recapping his life and impact. And like I said, I didn't know much about him. I kind of wish I would have dug deep around him before he died. Like, you know, that was kind of the catalyst for you doing that. But he's kind of most known for the 68 masters when Roberto Divenchenzo signed an incorrect scorecard. It actually he is playing competitor put down a four when he really had birdie on three on 17. It's kind of the opposite of what DJ did to me.
Starting point is 01:12:05 Yes. Yes. So it was. Rough Creek. It was actually like, but he turned it in and they, you know, per the rules of golf, Bob Goldby was, was the champ. That broadcast is on YouTube. And I watched, uh, watch the end and the Butler cabin thing is super awkward.
Starting point is 01:12:21 Black and white. I mean, you know, and it's like Clifford Roberts is in there. And he's kind of, oh, no, you know, and it's like Clifford Roberts is in there and he's kind of, oh no. He's kind of weird me out. The whole thing, it's like very different than it is today. So it's an interesting thing to go back and watch. And then there's a 2018 piece that Shackford linked,
Starting point is 01:12:38 Goal Be Finds piece 50 years later, awesome golf digest article. Basically just him sharing like vignettes or stories from golf, which is something I would highly recommend people check out. And I didn't realize this, but he took a ton of heat for like that master's thing was obviously like the seminal moment in his life, but he got like tons and tons of hate mail for it.
Starting point is 01:13:00 Like people like blamed him and he was like not really comfortable with, he's like I couldn't say no because it's like the rules of golf. I decided not to take the masters championship. Then I'm basically saying that I'm bigger than the rules of the game. Right. But then a lot of people were like, you don't deserve this. You know, what a gunner will play off, right? He was supposed to go to a more and they play off.
Starting point is 01:13:18 And but since he signed an incorrect scorecard, they pent like he signed. You keep the score you signed for you keep the score you signed for, keep the score you signed for. So instead of them being tied to the 11 under, it was, it was 10 under. Um, like in that case, I feel, you know, I feel bad for him in that case because it takes the, some of the shine on his thing, whereas like the Kevin Noth thing, when Kevin Noth, you know, said he didn't give that putt to DJ. Kind of reminds me of that, right? Of like, hey, the rules of golf say this, you can't get around it, right?
Starting point is 01:13:47 But like, it sounds like he handled it like a class act. In the golf digest piece from 2018, he said, quote, we're at the 50 year mark of that master's in history is being kinder to me. Young people especially don't know about the controversy because it was so long ago. To them, I'm just a master's champion. They'll say, that's so cool. What year did you win? Can you tell me about it? And I'll tell them how I shot
Starting point is 01:14:08 66 on Sunday, the overflowing parking lot, and the letter from Bobby Jones. The Bobby Jones wrote me about my shot on the 15th. Time is allowing me to be at peace, and I feel even more proud and satisfied. Bobby Jones said that he, he eagled 15 and he said it was the best shot he's ever seen on 15. And you know, that's including when and he said it was the best shot he's ever seen on 15 and you know that's including when that Sarah sent over the trees and stuff. So it seems like he was very well liked his it's the best shot he's
Starting point is 01:14:32 ever seen nothing but that's the scene on that hole. Yeah. The uh I didn't know his nephews are Jay Haas is his nephew and and so you know it seems like a good golfing lineage going on with the goalbies and one other thing I want to shout out is he was in the in the master's broadcast he's he's wearing this original original penguin like crispy like
Starting point is 01:14:54 mock neck shirt with just like and on black and white the white just pops so good I need to get in touch with the the hitters over at OP and they need to be making some some of that old school stuff again. So his son Kai is doing the tree farm. That's exactly right. That's right. I guess Kai was really a golfer growing up.
Starting point is 01:15:14 Cody told us this and then he like his cousins just kept beating the shit out of him. So he's like, I'm not good enough to play college golf. It turns out his's bill hot. Yeah. So anyway, shout out to Bob Goby and the Goby family. It's a bummer that he passed away. But I felt like that was a kind of a fun little deep dive I took today. So life well lived, 92 years old.
Starting point is 01:15:39 Yeah, for sure. Then maybe your annual highlight of my God. So yeah, so some, you know, somber news leading into one of my favorite things, my guy, John Minium. We talked about it last year. The 20th anniversary of the year in review is here. It arrived yesterday at the killhouse. Take a special box. In case you missed it last year, what is the year in review? So this is the 20th anniversary. This guy, John Minim lives in Tennessee. He mails out this booklet and he's been doing it for like I said 20 years.
Starting point is 01:16:08 He sends it to basically just to like his friends like physical mail. It's a physical booklet. And I don't I'm not really sure how we got on the mailing list, but I'm really glad that we are. And this year's review is truly electric. He keeps basically all of his stats. He tracks everything like how many courses he played, birdies, bogies like the and it's just this booklet filled with like it's like a bunch of infographics about how his personal golf game went in the past year. So a few highlights for people. First one, congrats to Johnny knocked off his goal to golf
Starting point is 01:16:40 in all 50 states. He played two rounds in Alaska this year and two rounds in Utah. The cover, the cover art set. Yes, settlers Bay up in Alaska. That was where the only two states left on his list. So he's now played golf in all 50 states. Unfortunately, lost balls were up 40% year over year. I hate that for him. Man, he lost 103 balls over 132 rounds this year. He lost six balls that king and bear in Florida. Which was, sounds like a tough round. And of course, there's some pictures in there of John digging through the Is there is you know trying to try to find his ball. Burdies were also down this year, 23% year over year, 102 birdies and 132 rounds. I'm sure Randy's happy to know that he he he got it over the the
Starting point is 01:17:23 century mark on the Buries. Of course, Randy had a gold and get to 100 Buries. Randy got to 34 last year. So I think John's got him there. Scoring average is up 1.7 strokes to 83.4. So that's tough. He's thinking too much out there. And I think he called out one stat that was maybe indicative of why scoring is up.
Starting point is 01:17:42 Greens and regulation all time low 32.7% in 2021. So we hate that. Good news. Driving accuracy continues to be excellent. 70% plus year over year. And the up and down rate was 21% for the year, which it seemed like John was happy with because he kind of highlighted that.
Starting point is 01:17:59 Also, I always love his course. His little one or two sentence. Hell yeah. Yeah, he writes down a little blur about every course he played. He played out at sweetens. He said he loved it, nothing like it according to the quote. John played golf with 98 different people in 2021. And I want to give a special shout out to Tony T
Starting point is 01:18:18 as his career most loyal playing partner. 390 rounds with Tony T over the years. Yes, he had 15 free rounds this year. I know. And he gave you shells out of people that treated them to golf, which is great. So he's got a list of every career course he's ever played. 553 career courses. Yes.
Starting point is 01:18:35 I'm kind of pissed. He was down here playing the King in the Bear. I know. That's why I say lost six balls out there. And he didn't he didn't know. Well, we have to get him down here. We'll treat we'll get in the list for for a few hours. Yeah, we'll take about the jacks.
Starting point is 01:18:48 Pete not a fan of the Charleston, Muni. So front tight back better homage to Rainer. Too hard for a muni. Yeah. So we have one other stat that he tracks very closely is, uh, John is still O for on hole in ones in his life. And it's feeling super optimistic about it. He said, quote,
Starting point is 01:19:08 part three greens and regulation this year were 37%. So basically on two thirds of part three, is I have no chance of making one. I think 2022 is gonna be the year. So John keep us posted, if you're listening, I think that hole in ones coming, we're rooting for you. And then he has a section in the back called the 18 question section
Starting point is 01:19:25 First one is from some guy named big Randy Big Randy asks how many cups did you hit? John answers. How do you know I didn't jar one? I hit the whole toy still no ace I think John might have misinterpreted what Randy was going I do believe Randy is asking you how many cups you hit in total for the year John he wants to know if you're playing real golf or no gimmies. That's the question. No, gimmie. What's your gimmie, you know, your belief on gimmies, John?
Starting point is 01:19:52 That's what big Randy's going for. Whether or not you're hitting cups. That'd be my challenge for John for next year's book is to give us a total number of times the ball was hold. Yes. Keep track of when you're hitting cups. You don't have to hit cups every round, but you know, you want to know those rounds when it's an authentic score.
Starting point is 01:20:06 Some great, great pictures in here too. This is his best book yet. The Rusty fan from Highland Park in Alabama, got a picture of a Muscovy duck in here. He got to play Yeam and Tall. Yes, he did. So the other thing, another question I liked in here was, you've played enough courses to know what you like.
Starting point is 01:20:27 Can you share your insights? John says I played courses by 230 different golf course architects. My favorite is Donald Ross played 23 Donald Ross courses. Uh, his courses hold up. I like walkable courses. I don't like getting beat up. quirky is fun too. And I was like, you know what, John, I'm right there with beat up. Quirky is fun too.
Starting point is 01:20:45 And I was like, you know what, John, I'm right there with you, but I think that's a, that's a good description of what you're looking for. And you're in review by the numbers. He says he mailed out about 250 this year and have probably sent out about 3,000 books over the past 20 years. His parting thoughts in the 20th anniversary,
Starting point is 01:21:03 golf is a metaphor for life. The only thing that makes golf unfair is the delusion that it should be fair. Wherever you go, there you are. Shout out to John Minim. Shout out to Tyrlehem. It's truly one of my favorite things. I think all this shit we talked about today, about pro golf, you know, it kind of pisses you off. This is the good stuff. I truly, it's a labor of love with John, and I appreciate that he sends it to us, and I get jacked up to read it.
Starting point is 01:21:29 Like who would have thought, like, makes you want to play golf? Yeah, well, I remember seeing this in the Kill House, like two or three years ago, I was like, what, some guy just sent us like his stats? Like, what? And then I was like, oh, this is sweet. It's sweet.
Starting point is 01:21:41 It's inspiring. It's truly a highlight. It's a highlight, because I want to track my stats better and just the dedication to all the stuff that he puts into it. It's really, really admirable. So thanks, John. To go beyond the stats and get to why you play the game, I'm a little bit concerned. He's played a hundred and twenty of the five hundred and something courses he's played have been in Florida. Which, you know, he's only played one course in Minnesota.
Starting point is 01:22:06 Might be why the lost balls count up. That's true. Well, listen, John, if you're in Florida in 2022, let us know. You, we would love to get you out to, to Jack's Beach and, uh, Jack's Beach is not on the, not on the list. It's not on the list, which is, you know, like, we got to change that in 2022. So that's our, we're laying the gauntlet down. You come on down and play some golf, but, uh But yeah, it just puts me in a good mood. So I enjoy, I enjoy talking about it and fucking 20 years. That's so sweet. That's so good. Listen, I wanted to clarify something I said last night during the Packers, Niners game. I said a lot of things. I don't know
Starting point is 01:22:43 where this is going uh... i compared jimmy g to iqarito uh... watching iqarito that watching iqarito go for the make up i was too busy whooping dj's as and settlers of catton last night i i just i freaking just a shf flawless game you and you and you and you and big t
Starting point is 01:23:00 yeah big t so a lot of people said man that, that's really, really harsh to compare your brother to Jimmy G. But I think there's a lot of similarities there. You know, you're a gamer. You're going to give it your all. You're gritty. The big, right mess. Like you make some inexplicable mistakes, some game management, course management mistakes here and there. I feel like I got more upside-the-jim Jimmy G though. I feel like that's kind of. You hang in there. Yeah, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:23:27 I don't know if I eat. I'd say he's more Matt Stafford. Like he's like, the tools are that he's gonna put up some numbers. He's gonna do some mind numbingly dumb stuff every now and then. Like Jimmy Stafford, you hear this, he doesn't really have the electricity. Like I feel like I got a little bit more electricity
Starting point is 01:23:41 in my golf game specifically than Jimmy. I don't know if I that's a fair comp I'm with you on that But my hall is won away from going to two super bowls and What a three or five. No, but like you know Trent Dulfur won a super bowl Like he's really shanny. Yeah, I know. I don't think Jimmy G Like Jimmy G doesn't you know like oh my god if you just like the like I feel like Baker mayfield has more,
Starting point is 01:24:05 sometimes you see flashes from Mayfield, you're like, oh man, he's got some upside, he makes some throws, and then he makes the bone head in the state. The Stafford comp for the year that he's had where he was flawless the first half of the year and then got a little banged up and got a little careless second half of the year
Starting point is 01:24:18 and he's really, really tailed off. Kind of parallels a lot of your rounds. I'll take the Stafford comp for sure, where he does make some dumb, he does force things, right? But Jimmy G just feels like he's just not, he's just pretty average. That's fair.
Starting point is 01:24:32 But thank you for that, TSA. And then yeah, tune in this week. Well, I'm sure we'll have a trap draw up. I told Randy and Push, I said, I'm so, I think I've lost the plot when it comes to football. What? No, you, what? But it's like, that's how I, like I was talking to KVV about it today.
Starting point is 01:24:51 Like, that's how I enjoy the game, right? I enjoy the game within the game and, you know, these coaches and everything in context, right? Like great NFL year. It's been so much fun. Like last year sucked. Yeah, these playoffs have been unbelievable. Like back to back weeks of just unbelievable football games. So what else we got going on in our house this week? We got film room coming out new videos Thursday and Friday a full breakdown of
Starting point is 01:25:15 solid and I playing an FSGA ForSums event. I would play it back in December. I'm excited to watch this. And turn the film room, you know, kind of the cauldron with Justin Huber, NLU young hitter Justin Huber. If it hits the hill, it hits the hill. Exactly. So he's coming back into the film room, back by popular demand. People have been shouting, what are you bringing Huber back?
Starting point is 01:25:33 It's like, well folks, Thursday and Friday this week, got a newsletter going out, right in the email. It's gonna include some fun. It's a content one, some exclusive content from the boys. They don't know that yet, but it will include that. And we'll probably have a subscriber special in there for pro shop stuff. You can sign up for that newsletter dot no laying up dot com forward slash subscribe. I'll probably tweet it out too. So don't worry about it. It's solid. What's new on the pod side? We got a podcast with Adam Scott coming out Tuesday. Somebody we wanted to have on for quite some time. The folks at the Dubai, the slink Dubai Desert Classic. Yeah, but they want
Starting point is 01:26:10 you to call it the slink Dubai Desert Classic. What's slink? What are they all about? I don't know. I thought I was thinking a lot of money. I don't know about slink. I gotta check it out. As you guys are giving away free ads here, I'll get back to the substance of the podcast of Adam Scott, which was great. I talked a lot of golf stuff. Great, Steve, you stories. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:32 Free ads are out of control on this podcast. We gotta keep it moving, guys. Do you wanna tell us about the Nests? Remember Gifts? Yes, so Memorgifts are in the mail. So all the domestic ones went out Wednesday, Thursday, so the ones in the US, and then I think the international ones all went out on Friday So give us a week or two if you don't see it by the end of the month let us know again remember this is for 2021
Starting point is 01:26:55 Nest members if you signed up in January, what's the nest? You're on the list for 2020 The gift will come out next January for 2022 members. The nest is our community of avid golfers around the world and includes a bunch of perks. It's our membership platform. It's like a patreon except we just get the patreon part. Yeah Where do people join that? It's our it's our NFT operation. It's what it is People can join that nolangup.com forward slash join for more information there We have a ton of fun with it and I'm jacked up this year for Nest stuff. It might be the year of nesting because I got a lot of ideas.
Starting point is 01:27:29 I think it's the year of nesting. You're getting married too. I know. It's going to be a lot of nesting this year in 2022. So yeah, if you don't see your gift by the end of the month, you can email Nest at nolangup.com. But give us a few days before you start hitting the fire alarm. Well, that is going to do it for this week. PGA Tour of Season officially starting this Wednesday.
Starting point is 01:27:50 That's official. This is the event that is moved up today. Still not convinced. Wednesday through Saturday. It is not super week. I do regret the error on that one. From the preview podcast, thank you for all those that continue to remind me of that one.
Starting point is 01:28:02 And yeah, the tournament wraps on, or the the tournament wraps Saturdays will be in watchful ball on Sunday. It's great. Yeah, Corn Ferry on Sunday through Wednesday. Another Bahamas event. A lot of Bahamas scoring already bucking down there. They skipped a hold today.
Starting point is 01:28:14 There was a condor was made today, a whole and one on a part five. That was great. Is that what that's called? Yeah, a condor. There's a lot of stuff going on down in the Bahamas, which is one of the great traditions. So thanks everyone for tuning in.
Starting point is 01:28:25 We'll see you back here next week. Cheers. Give it a big club. Be the right club today. Yes. Daddy X. Better than most. How about him?
Starting point is 01:28:41 That is better than most. Better than most. Better than most.

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