No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 523: Genesis Invitational Recap

Episode Date: February 21, 2022

Joaquin Niemann wins at Riviera, and we recap an excellent tournament at one of our favorite venues. Morikawa's run, the Cat back in the booth, Hovland, JT, some great camera work, and everything else from the Pacific Palisades.  And of course, we go deep on the many, many developments in the Saudi Golf League from this past week, from Phil's incendiary statements, Bryson and DJ's change of heart, Rory weighing in, the future of the SGL, where the hell does Phil go from here, and so much more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the No-Lang up podcast solid here the draft king TC is here. Hello, TC All are at me. We're gonna look would you get 60 to one? Congratulations, we don't have a draft king at this week. Can't get nobody to cover this. DJ Pius here. Hello DJ Pius. Hello guys. Hello Ha. We have quite a bit to talk about. We have rearranged this agenda about 18 times this week. Before we do get going, it's important that you know that Callaway has a distance fitting program.

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So I'm excited for you. Stoked. Triple diamond here we come, made it. I am excited for you. Listen, we are going to cover everything we possibly can, related to Phil, Bryce, and DJ, Saudi, all of it. But first, we're going to talk about walking Neiman and a tremendous, tremendous golf term.

Maybe it wasn't the most exciting term that we've seen so far on the PJ tour this year, but walking Neiman, second PJ tour went at the age of 23, wire to wire. Do you see how did you end up picking walking Neiman? Don't ask me if I'm a hard dog. He said, Dominic. I put my heart in this shit. I just, I don't know. I felt like he's, he played really well at, at farmers a few weeks ago. I think you finished top 10. I tend, I've picked him a few times. I'm, I'm buying, I've been buying on him. And I feel like

there, there had to be an, like another win coming. I felt like great iron player, very straight off the tee and played well. I mean, just really, really, really cool to see him hang on today, especially. I think it was a little bit shaky. I missed a shorty on one, bogey'd seven, and then made that birdy on eight and really steadyed himself. And then just was nails coming in. He had nine greens today and lost almost four shots on the green and still held on to his win. It got a little dicey there on the on the back end. He was leaving himself some squirrely four and five footers just to make bogey on some of those holes too.

It's got to be so so that golf course is really difficult to protect a five-six shot lead. Cause there's not, there's no cruise holes. There's no, like you have every shot that you, every time you miss the fairway, you're gonna pay a little bit of a price with a quarter of a shot, a tenth of a shot, whatever it may be, you miss short-sighted,

or above the hall, you're in the wrong spots. The greens were so firm, every pin seemed like it was on a slope of some kind today. Like, you could go out and get birdies as more a cow showed, but like honestly, trying to make pars looked harder than going out and making birdies. That shot he hit into 16. That was super good. That was super good.

That was really, really good, especially after young dumped it in the bunker. Yeah, it was just a, I mean, 63, 63 at Riv. That's, I mean, that's kind of the, they mentioned it a bunch on the broadcast, but man, being that young and just holding a wired wire victory is insane to me. And he, he washes over us to that young, exactly. Zalatorus, here he comes, Togalo, good young stars, both older than Joaquin. Yeah, exactly. And I mean, he said it after the round. He said the last two days felt like there were a month, which is, which is awesome to hear. So T.C., I've surprised you weren't bullish on his T.A. finish at the bone saw as

well. Oh, that's true. That's true. You know, all the similar golf courses, I think, I mean, close to the Pacific Ocean. Exactly. Stick to the tour, guys. Come on. What are we doing here? Can we get to the story of the week? thought he's a what surgery already surgery was dyed beard yeah that's a big one tron made the great comparison said he looked like billy maize the late billy maize billy maize here or ryan day i was nervous with fowdo trying to make a connection i swear i thought he was going to say his fellow countryman. At some point, I'm surprised it didn't. No, between walking and Sergio.

That Sergio was waiting around. I thought he was gonna do it just because they both speak Spanish. But I think Neiman hit some better pots today. Like, some of them didn't fall. He hit a few edges, but overall, I thought he had some better pots today. Then like, it was just hard to make butts on those green. When it's that firm, like, it's not as simple. Yeah, everything about this golf tournament, I think, is for the golf junkies. Listen, is waste management is probably a little bit

more entertaining for the masses to watch on TV with the water and the whole atmosphere. And this is for like the golf junkies, like watching balls roll out on those slopes, knowing what sides of the fairway are better sides to miss on. I like watching Torprow's just like straight up aiming into certain parts of the rough of like, dude, I'm not missing right here. We can't be on the right. Everyone playing at the left on 17, playing a opposite holes if you wanted to. Like, that's all the stuff that matters when it plays as firm as it did this week.

And yeah, I mean, I was particularly intrigued too with like how watching how the eighth hole played this week and how firm that was with the wind and watching dudes, like just be flummoxed at times with how to get close to the front pin positions on a 400 yard par four. It was just like, man, I mean, we say this pretty much every time, but adding distance is not the answer

to challenging these guys. It's like making them get the ball to stop, figure out a way to make it stop that is, I think way better way to test different elements of the game, as well as just not put as much emphasis on driving. But I want to know a little more about the Sergio Neiman mentorship. I think that's sweet. I would love to hear those two unpack that a little bit.

I feel like that's some of the media stuff we don't necessarily like get these days. But what a massive age difference country difference, all kinds of all kinds of things. And they seem like to hang out legitimately like all the time. Well, he was the one that cost walking the win at the tournament champions because they were hanging out on the bench and walking. Was it hitting range balls? Exactly. Which I think they mentioned.

But now he's going back to the TOC. He's going to go hit some range balls out there. It just seems like all the iron players and I don't know just a cool I'd love to see those two kind of talking about each other. I think that would be really interesting. I feel like all the Spanish speakers on tour really stick together. You saw Carlos or T's out there, you saw Johnny Vegas out there. You know why that is. Sevy.

I mean, come on. Spade of Che is. God speaking of Sevy, I'll let some of the chipping go out out there. There was so much. So many of them. So much is to Sevy. There was so much chipping today.

I'll pick Kaikoo, yes. Some of the, some of the chipping, some of the chips more Kaoha hit the one he hit on. Oh my God. There's three. Seven, the one he holds. The one that he holds and then he hold the other one on 10. Yes.

It was just like, it's gross. I'm just standing, I'm like getting chills in my house. Just standing up like shaking, shaking my arms out. Looking, I'm, listen, I'm going through a bit of the chippy gifts right now. And welcome. And seeing, yeah, if anyone enjoyed that Instagram that, that's all I put out, the, the chipping lesson,

I was the one filming that and he's like, yeah, so go hits up and I tried it. I instantly had the chip. Yeah. Try to think about what he tried. I was the one filming that and he's like, yeah, yeah, so go hit some and I tried it. I instantly had the chip. Try to think about what he tried. I purposely did not watch it. No, don't watch it. You did it very badly. A lot of people claimed to love it,

but listen, give me the gift. I had to go for two emergency session today. I think I got it figured out, but are you using the best pants? No, I'm not listening to anything. You're saying what do you do in an emergency session? You throw a bunch of balls down. Well, I was consulting with my, you know,

my short game instructor Justin Heuber, talking through a little bit. And he's telling you not to use the bounce? No, he's just, he's like, butch. He doesn't want to break me down. He just wants to use what I have and make it better, you know? It's not a one size fits all. Were you chipping off pass ballam or the dormant from you to?

Pass ballam. See, that's a, it's a, it's a crutch. The pat, no, no, no, no. Not the firm pass ballam. No, not the firm. I'm a chipping green. Yeah. Passed out. See, that's a, it's a, it's a crutch. The pat, no, no, no, no. Not the firm, not the firm, the chipping green. Yeah. I digress. Listen, strong left hand. That's all, that's really all you need to do.

Get the flinching and the right hand going out of there. Point is, some of the stuff Morcao was hitting was just like, a jaw on the floor, like, hyper, hyper sexual chip shots around the green. It was awesome. Just a free lob up here of like very, very, very obviously not that comparable, but I'm super glad that I played a tournament this week.

Just to remember what it's like in tournament nerves to perfectly nip an open face lob wedge off of difficult grass with people watching and tournament on the line and millions of dollars on the line like they're doing it and making it look as easy as it did. Green's concrete rolling 14. It is unreal.

The precision of some of those shots. Like watching Sheffler, JT and Morakawa come through on 10 today. They all were left with extremely difficult second shots on 10. They almost played the whole four under. They didn't hit a great one on 10, too. I know it was over on the left, but just, you know, you had a ton of green to work with, but you get it going too fast on that,

especially to that pin there. And I mean, can't, like Cameron Young, where he was, short run of that bunker. I was like, I'm gonna turn this off. I can't watch this again. This is, I'm gonna have nightmares tonight. Do you guys wanna get into tent a little bit? Can we talk about tent?

I, go ahead. Please. Full stance. What is your stance on number 10? My full stance. I applaud Dottie and Noblello and the CBS crew. I think they've done this last three years, but they've had a pretty frank discussion about like, no pun intended.

Thank you. About like, listen, this whole probably is getting a little worse over the years. I think Dottie said it's regressed over the years just because the green keeps getting higher and higher. They keep making it faster and faster. And it's just, I mean, it's pretty unfair. That said, it's awesome.

Like I honestly have kind of been in the hinterlands, I think, a little bit the last couple of years between like this whole, like, should be better and everybody's just raving about it. Buh, buh, buh. Now, I'm like, you know what, it's kind of unfair. It's like sick to see how people are going to have to deal with it. It's kind of so bad. It's good. Yes. That's kind of how it's more of that than a great hole. Yes, I agree. It is extremely interesting to you, you can't look away when pros are getting ready to play it. That is entertainment value. That's definition of it, right? Possibly the most entertaining shot of the day, at least for me.

I guess I was a little bit in and out throughout the afternoon broadcast, but the way that they set up JT, so JT lays up every day, right? That's his whole thing. He, and then he almost domed up more at college. Oh, gosh. That was also pretty righteous.

But that's his whole thing is like, hey, the numbers say, just blow it down into that, you know, short left and chip it on up the angle. And for whatever reason, JT just lays up every day. And they did such a good job of setting up exactly how good that shot needed to be where he needed to hit it, how much room for Erie had, how good of a wedge player he was. The grove note, the cult notes. And it's so good. He's like, I have a replica 10, how good of a wedge player he was. The Grove note, the Coltnost added to it. It's so good.

He's like, I have a replica 10th green at the Grove where he practices and they put the pin in the back, right? So JT's familiar with this shot. Like, and he landed it on a freaking sprinkler head size spot that he needed to land it on, even a little too tight. So I don't know if that's production, just like them knowing to stick with this one for a little bit or maybe it's, you know, fewer people in the golf course at that point or, I don't know if that's production, just like them knowing to stick with this one for a little bit, or maybe it's fewer people in the golf course at that point,

or I don't know what it was, but it was just amazing. It was the true leaning towards the edge of my seat, more and more and more and more until he finally hits the shot, and then he pulls it off, and you have such a great understanding of how freaking good it was. His putting was not so good, but his wedges were... Overall for the week, it was.

Awesome. It's worth noting. He had a really bad putt on the back tonight, but he wasges were overall for the week. It was awesome. It's worth noting. He had a really bad putt on the back nine today. He was 14th in Strokes Game putting this week. So that's and he's been terrible all year statistically. He's been poor. He's been below. Yeah. He's been kind of picked up where he left off basically, but it's been it's been a liability. But just just a note, I guess to I don't know if we're going to do a true hamster. Damn tonight, but we've been very, very pro CBS,

and that was a shining moment of like, man, this is making, this is, they're really being additive to my experience right now. This is awesome. Without the ego, they brought out a brand new camera this week with a new cinematic lens, they used to be so quick to pat themselves in the back before they did something and now it's just like Hey, we're he bad another tool to the tool shed another one another one another one and DJ cat and it's just it's I'm amazed at the progress Real I got a few things on on CBS, but first I think

Like going back to 10 Cameron young like his shot was four inches from being Absolutely perfect as well this afternoon. It's truly a hole that the margins are so, so, so dialed up and so thin that I don't, you know, it might be too much. I would say too small. Like, the T-shot is kind of dumb, I think. It's like, you have to be so amazingly precise that it's luck, right?

I mean, these guys can hit a very, very, very good shot. I think the trees to the left are kind of silly, right? I mean, I think you should have as much room over there to bail as you want. Or even just thin them out, right? Like, I think it is cool that there's an element of randomness over there, right? Like, I don't think you should be able to necessarily just drive it down into a wide open field down there and then pitch it on because everybody's going to be able to hit that pitch shot.

I think a little bit of randomness over there. Keep a couple of those trees just because, you know, it's very like if you do want to hit it down into the perfect spot, like there might be some intrigue down there. Be sick if they cleared it out all the way back behind it and you could just blow it over. Just fly the green and blow it over and work way back too. Short grass. I think short grass that would not, the ball wouldn't stop then like, then it gets interesting.

A lot of diverse stuff. I think there's too many bunkers to them. It seems like that, but. If I put you in that front, like front bunker, or even in front of the front bunker, with that pin today, with conditions, like what do you think you would make? I will tell you what it reminds me of it.

It reminds me of the first hole at Metropolitan in Australia, when we played that. I missed in the left bunker, green side. I was like right in the middle of the fair, we missed in the left bunker. The guys were with, like, oh yeah, that's not the right one to miss in. There's no sand in that bunker.

I made it eight. All right, I think it was nine, if I remember right. I went back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, like six times. I was just like, all right, cool. I'm about right here, walk off the golf world. I would have put it to the front of the green, put it maybe to the middle of the green,

and then three put it from there and taking my sex to golf. Yeah, just takes that out of my life. Exactly, exactly. So yeah, I think it, I mean, people are like, is this the best short for on the tour? Is it better than set? I get done even compared to 17 at TPC at God'sdale.

Yeah, like they were asking, they did a thing on there like, what's the worst taller review? I'm like, yeah, it might on there, like, what's the worst holer, Riviera? I'm like, it might be 10, it might be, it's really still really fun to watch. But that's how it's gonna say. It truly might be the worst holer, but also if I was just gonna put my lawn chair down

somewhere, watch the, of course. I feel good through that's exactly where it would be. That's like the end gestation. Yeah, I mean, it's at the worst holer, I'm like, off course, yeah, but it's also my favorite. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, Col's a throers to all of that on the golf course. Yeah, but it's also my favorite. Exactly. I mean, Callum or Kauai hit it. Like hit it in a spot where it should have been the perfect shot.

And it doesn't get the bounce and comes up short. And then it makes Eagle anyways. But after he almost died, walking into JT shot, which was kind of jarring. Remember when Farmer topped that shot and they didn't show it to us? I just, as we go to praise CBS, like just remembering from what, remember from whence we came. Remember where we came from.

So on the CBS front, I think some things played into their favor. Like I haven't been this dialed in for a golf tournament since the last major we had, which was what, the British Open. Yes. Yeah, that'd be great. And so I think there are a few things

working in their favor. They had I Mean by the by midday Saturday there were only like five guys within 10 shots of the lead So they could definitely focus on that people were a little bit up in arms that they had dropped Max and some other guys yesterday afternoon, but those guys weren't exactly playing well the last time for holes that day but those guys weren't exactly playing while the last time for holes that day. But overall, I'll ride for Dottie. Dottie was fantastic, the flow was fantastic. Foundo was great.

Yeah, that's the one thing that it's like, it's man, it's really close to being like as perfect as you can get it, just Fowdo. And Ian Baker Finch seems like a super, super, super nice guy. I just, I never, I never glean anything for him. I think he'd be fine without Fowldale though. I think if he, you know, is more of a role player than he, you know, he, I don't know.

That's my thought, you know, I don't think he gets, he, Fowldale doesn't make him any better, right? So. I like when he was, I wonder if, I don't know, could be speaking on my ass, but I wonder if IBF gets a little deeper into some of the swing stuff. He seems like, I mean, obviously he's, you know, a really good player.

But he seems to kind of light up a little bit when he starts talking about like wrist angles and different, different like elements of the golf swing. I'd almost like to have a little bit more of that in there. He was talking about walkos. Exactly. Shaftling. Yeah, I was like, oh, that's very interesting.

Keep telling me more of that stuff. Because obviously he doesn't want to be, he doesn't want to be the critical guy, which, you know, I know that's a little bit of what we need, but if that's not what he wants to do, and he's gonna be faking it or something, then yeah. Find another like niche for him, right?

And I think he'd be good at that. Frank's great. The drone shots were unbelievable all week. The low angle behind the T-shots, and it was, oh my God, it was unbelievable. They're good and creative. They had some crazy good closeups from behind the hole on Puts.

They had some like a crazy closeup on Neiman's chip today of like the blades of grass. Get in the oven, guard with some of the focus poles. Really, really good stuff. Yeah, solid at your point, it feels humble. It feels like we're just gonna go do this and get out of our own way.

Yeah. And the chips let them fall where they may. Yeah, you may used to be like when stuff would happen. I would get conversation from CBS PR, like look for this coming up. And now I'm just like, it just hits you when you won't go to tune it in. And it's awesome.

And then they also turned randomly into Woodward and Bernstein with the cat got them. Oh my God, nants. So we will see you at the par three contest. Flipping over the table. It sounds like you can play the par three contest, huh, Tiger? It was good to see the cat back. Look, it's fry. So good. see the cat back. Look at Spray.

So good. Gave some takes. I mean, Nant, he didn't even intro him. Like, when are we going to see again? When are we going to see you? And Tiger even made a joke about like, you know, not, you know, not, not getting any kind of warm up in. And it doesn't sound great for the cat, which I think we warned everyone when it came

to the PNC. Like, I can't think of something more on the opposite of the spectrum of what competing on the professional golf and riding around a cart in a father's son event uh... and i think it got people little hyped and people were a lot of set to hear it just in talking to much people in person this week you don't think tires plan the masters i'm like no

no he's not playing the masters in a couple weeks are Are you kidding me? If the RNA would allow him, they could allow hero motor corp to create like a little motorcycle for him to ride around on at the old course. That'd be a class move. Yeah. That'd be top move. Like a fin scooter type thing. If I let it have a good,

you got a little jumbled and lost, but a good interpretation of what the cat was saying, where he was talking about the issues with flexion of his ankle, right? It's not necessarily just like walking straight up, big hills, walking down straight, straight down big hills, it's more like the flexion of how his ankle's going

and Fowlho was kind of, oh, mumbling under his breath, but he was kind of like, well, that's like why the old course doesn't make sense because it's all just like little hills. Yeah. And because in my head, he can imagine, you just absolutely ripped it out there. He puts the big glasses on. He puts up like the Mac Daddy Santa. I think it's the line beard going again. God, forget about it. Get some of these other guys number 16 here we come Just do a donut so that you don't

Can everybody revved up see if you can clear them if you can jump the burn on never what? Brahms on 18. No, no, no, marching. This is not right. Fowler had another one he said, Victor, we can't understand your vector. Victor's vector. He's a big alliteration guy. Love's a little bit. Which I, it's great.

No, he's brought there for comedy. Like that's what we want from him. For sure. It's not the six majors that we're looking for. It's like, be funny. Like be as funny as possible at every stop. Like that's what you really bring to the group. Also, they need to like donate a thousand bucks

or something for every time. They said the Lanny Wadkins scholarship for Cameron Young. They said it on a run. 25 times. The whole team would be on scholarship on that one now if they did that. Little jargon to see, ROM have a bad week this week.

But bad is of course a relative term played the weekend, but it was his third finish outside the top 15 on the PGA tour in the last year. Is that good? Which is just, yeah, I kept scrolling the OWGR page. How it wait, where? How it was weird on Friday, like watching who my watch? T-21 even, how, wait, where? How weird on Friday, like watching,

who am I watching? T-21, I watched it pretty much all of his round on Friday. And it was just really weird to see him struggle in real time, or hitting some just weird iron shots. He was pulled a few left. He had a pretty sweet shot up next to the range net. But, you know, it was like, it was like an out of body experience someone just watching

it. But it was really all putting. He was seventh in Strokes game T to green this week, 66th in putting. So it's not a, it's, yeah, truly just like this can happen with this guy and it's ridiculous that doesn't happen more often, but T-T21 and he had like, it's about as bad as crazy things. Yeah. The booy.

What a good, the booy. Many people, thank you for saying it so many people thank you for something like it's only me saying it was how to jack spade cavern is watch on tv and they're just chanting yeah exactly uh... more a cowah not the dude you want to see in the review mirror he was he was vibing to the end there just when he puts the pedal down manny and again he was third-inch-dokes game putting this week

do you have anything you want to say? Will you apologize? No, I just, listen, he's hot, he's hot. The approach shot into 18 was some big dick stuff. Yeah, swaggy. He did not make that putt, but I mean, he made almost everything else. I didn't fail to say it was a dead straight putt.

He said, this is a dead straight putt, I think he peels off. That's, yeah. I didn't even grasp that from him. Cause he like said four different things about what the putt might do. I wasn't even aware of what the putt should do. Love watching Cam Young.

He's super fun to watch. He hits so many necky drives that he finished one handed. That there's still a lot of 300. Yes, 75 miles in. He might be the poster boy for like, what are we doing here, guys? Like miss hitting drives, 186 ball speed. I mean, he drove the shit out of it for the money. He hit his first, I think his first nine fairways today and then missed the last five. If he could have driven it coming home, he would have, he could have given it a very serious run.

Seeing those guys in the group yesterday, uh, Hit their drives on 11 and each one of them hit it. 370 through the fairway through the fairway all the way down to the cart path. I'll find his wild walking and be to watch it. The old course. No, gosh, great. His drive on 18 was awesome, but just the low, low piercing, like, safe.

I'm not going on the right trees. Let this run forever on the only Cameron young front. The just I have no info, but just for what it's worth, I feel like everybody, listen, we've had a lot to talk about in the world of golf. I feel like everybody kind of forgot about the distance inside stuff.

There's gotta be another shoe to drop here at some point, right? After everything, the USG A for that. There's some rumors that, yeah, it's coming down the pipe. That's kind of what I'm, we're gonna like it. It's kind of what I'm getting at as well. So watch this space.

Cameron Young, I think, let's not gloss over a T2. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that moves them up to 17th in the FedEx cup, which, you know, all important things. Yeah. No, but really like, I don't think I've heard a bad word about this guy over the last year and a half, two years. I remember watching him at the nationwide event when he was going up against Curtis, luck, and Zalatoris a couple of years ago, and didn't get it done there, but man,

it just really, really impressive player. The nationwide event and Columbus, for those, it's not the nationwide tour, for the commenters out there, they were gonna get on your ass, is what you're referring to. It's not the nationwide tour anymore. The one at the course, the Jack Nicholas Deserker.

Got that one, that one, that's exactly right. Barbara, go to me again. Can you believe these guys Barbara? They call it the Scarlet course because blood runs all over it. Jack's blood is all over it. Adam Scott, we're tan. All four days.

Can we talk about this? What is he making a statement of some kind? I thought you had a good tweet about it. Yeah, he's just been stoning on people for so long. Bring me some kind of challenge here. I'm giving you the most bland thing I've got. I'll wear the same thing all four days and you still won't look as good as me.

Like somebody challenged me. I thought it was an homage to the Saudis. Mm, that's interesting. I'm just desert storm out. Stick to the tour, TC. We're gonna get there, okay? Gosh. What is Covlinin another great week for him. Mavik Neely fun to see him playing well.

Pavelin for a course you got to chip at a lot. A T4 I think, no worries. CBS had some good stuff. He's been working on with a new short game instructor. He actually is chipping, looked really good. He was 61st and strokes getting around the green this week. That's really good. Eye test. It looked good.

Guys, we got to talk about JT's potting. We did. I think we did. We did already? Yeah. It really good. That's really good. It's a high test. It looked good. Guys, we got to talk about JT's potting. We did. I think we did. We did already? Yeah, it was good. It was good. JT's potting was good. Statistically, 14th this week.

This was like 10 minutes ago. To be fair, I had to say why. I missed that. He had a really bad pot down the stretch. 66, 66 on the weekend. He did it a bad, but we also mentioned that. No, JT shot 77 on the weekend. Shed shot 66, 66, 66. the weekend. He did it a bad, but we also mentioned that. No, JT shot 77 on the weekend. Sheds shot 66, 66, this weekend. Did he really? Yes. Wow, which leading into the Honda Classic is a McKenzie

here. Yeah. And Scott, Scotty Sheffler backing up a win. That's always fun to see how someone's going to play the next week. T seven in a big boy golf course. Really, really quiet. Solo ninth from CT Pan Yeah, that's Could have fooled me on the day. Neil was sitting on the top call afternoon rooting for Cam Tringale Yet Tringale for a top 20

Got it Tringale. He liked it. He chipped in on 16 and he was just like Out of the pouch bitches This is anybody the page I think everybody wants something. This is incredible. I mean, Rive happens pretty much every time, but that leaderboard is, it separates the men and the boys. That's what I was gonna say.

I have nothing to back this up, but it is funny how much better, man, yeah, it's a lot easier to bat at a golf course where like, you know, we're gonna separate the good players and the bad players. It's harder to bat every week when it's a lot easier to bat at a golf course where like, you know, we're gonna separate the good players the bad players It's harder to bat every week when it's a fucking crap. But another fucking punny content when it's not a piece of shit set up He's a ship fucking punny goddass is from referred to it and shout to max in his title defense to another top Yeah, very very respectable non competitive top 10 from the rip are we ready to move on to to the fun stuff real quick

Have you guys seen the speed commercial? Or I think it's a the club champion one. I don't know. It's one where he's he's talking with Cameron or Greller or somebody about. Oh, yeah. It makes me so it gives me so much anxiety just to even open that door a little bit. You don't like him poking fun at it. No, I just I'm just like his whole routine. Like I have to be prepared to watch. Yeah, they're prepared to look away. If you don't want to watch it. No, I just, it's just like his whole routine. Like, I have to be prepared to watch that, right?

They're prepared to look away if you don't want to watch it. Very just pointy weekend for our boy. It was, it was. It's not consistent right now, but we, I almost like that going into Augusta. I'm inventing that. I don't like it at all. I don't like it, you have it.

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interview was Monday. That was Tuesday night. That was Tuesday night on the, sorry, Tuesday on the Stripe Show podcast. He said 17 guy, he knows of 17 guys who have jumped over. And that list includes some big names. He said, I can't say who they are, but there's gonna be some big names over there. From what I've learned, the money is very, very appealing.

It's gonna be very appealing for some of these guys. He described it toward, I have 12 to 14 events with huge purses in limited fields. He also said that 10 of those to 14 events with huge purses and limited fields. He also said that 10 of those 14 events are going to be in the US and the players are going to get, going to the Super League will be getting lucrative signing bonuses.

Listen, that feels like a long time ago. Yeah, it does. This is gonna be a four-hour podcast anyway. So we'll add just a quick primer. If you're new to what's going on, we've talked about this ad nauseam for the last two years, it feels like, but very, very, very quick overview.

Live golf, the Saudi public investment fund pumped a bunch of money into a company called Live Golf, which is run by, not run by, but kind of a commissioner. Commissioner, the president, et cetera, of... Third leg Greg. Third leg Greg Norman. Slowing good. That initially was a $300 million investment in the, well, initially, 200 million now, it's $300 million investment in the Asian tour to set up a series of events

on the Asian tour, similar to what the European tour used to do with the do-perfect tour now. similar to what the European tour used to do with the do-perfect tour, World Tour now, did does with the Rolex series, just hey, these are a bunch of elevated events. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Asian tour is going to be doing the same thing. That's not what we're talking about, right? That's all publicly announced. What has been bubbling under the surface is a proposed

super-golf league, Saudi golf league, all sorts of other names bandied about the old golf. The worst kept secret and the windables tour. Yeah, what has been proposed is another much similar to what you heard any gardener talk about regarding the PGL, the yearly similar, a 48 man tour that would have captains, it would have player owners, it would have all relegation, it would have all these different things, it would have up to what have we heard now, 10 events in the US, and a couple other events around the world.

Starting next year, it would be six events this year, 14 events starting next year, with 10 events in the US, there would be six events this year, four of those would have been in the United States. So when we hear people talk about the SGL, that's what that's what we're talking about. Yes. And also came out this week, Washington Post reporting that Donald Trump courses were going to be rumored to be involved in this or reported first reported by no laying out back in October. But yeah, that's a fluff ourselves. They know, but yeah, we can't be talking about that for a while. Can't believe it took four months for anyone else to pick up on this in and outside the

golf world. Yes, former president Donald Trump's company is angling to host events at his golf course for the controversial Saudi Golf League, according to three people familiar with the matter, potentially handing Trump a lucrative business partnership with an oppressive regime he defended as president. At least two of Trump's courses in Bedminster, New Jersey, and Daryl, Florida could be named as sites for the nascent tour, according to the people familiar with the talks, who, like others, spoke on the condition of animinity to discuss internal deliberations, officials

from live golf investments, the apparatus funded by the Saudis to host the tour have held conversations with the Trump organization. These people said one of the people familiar with the matter said Trump had spoken to Greg Norman, the head of live golf investments about having his properties involved in the tour. Again, all this before, well, some things happen. And even going back to your point, John, where, kind of, where were we at last week? We called all these guys a bunch of posties on the tour for sure. For sure.

On the podcast repeatedly. Yes. Last week for just like basically bitching incessantly about just dancing around like no like what is it that you're unhappy? Well where we left the saga last week was I think the news of the week was kind of the Charlie Hoffman gaslighting of I didn't get my ruling at it feels like six weeks ago. I didn't get my ruling at Phoenix and so now this is why we're all as his players. We're left with no other choice, but to jump to another tour. We're just not protected out here. Do we want to go

into some of the kind of what we had, I don't know, reported is not probably the right word, but some of what we had heard into last week. Sure. We had mentioned, yeah, because let's just back up to it because Bryson has some statements that come out and we just go ahead and back up to Him calling us basically fake news media this past week We said last week that Bryson has told people both in capelua and in Saudi Arabia that he is basically is going around puffing his chest out saying I'm done playing the PGA tour like that's how any was on this super golf league We also were incredibly clear as clear as we possibly could be that we didn't necessarily believe him,

that this did not mean he is done playing the PGA tour. We did not say this is why he's missing the genesis. We kind of threw it was like, basically threw a question in there of like, hey, we don't know exactly what he was on the commit list. Now he's not, he's got this entry. We qualified all of that. We didn't tweet any of this

because it's like a conversation we were having. It's a text. Yeah, there was a whole bunch of context in this conversation. He releases a statement early in the week saying, you know, I'm very disappointed to miss the Genesis invitation this week at one of my favorite courses on tour. I'm currently in the process of rehabbing a hip-and-hand injury, which I am making positive progress on day by day. There are many false reports going around by the media that are completely inaccurate. Many. Any news regarding my health or playing schedule will come directly from me and my team only. This is just another inaccurate report. I look forward to getting healthy

and seeing everyone soon. So all of the golf media go on. It's be like, well, first of all, no golf media was reporting on this. So what are you talking about? But also just ran that statement without any real context as to what he's actually talking about, which was, again, it's newsworthy. We considered it and still believe to be that he's going around saying this. This, again, doesn't mean, like, bright, we call it out. Bryson is full of shit. And as proven this at every stop, like, that we don't even necessarily believe him. And then we specifically said that we do believe we will see him back on the PGA. Bryson says a lot of things.

A lot of things. So, it was still noteworthy of like how in he was on this league to the point. And again, we're going to get to a statement he made as of today, but he made a statement this week and that's the original statement did not include they I am going to play the PGA tour and I'm not interested in any other league. That was, yeah, we'll get to that statement because there's a lot to glean from that. He had a chance to say that early in the week and did not do that.

That's no word. Or any time over the last five years. Any time. Any time over the last four years. When did he do it? Today. When it became extremely safe to do so. And it was only his only option.

Ditto for Dustin Johnson as well. Because I think, I mean, I, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's what we said last week as well is like basically the pillars of what the Saudis have been building this new league around are the three players filled Dustin and Bryson, right? And so that coupled with Kramer Hickock's thing about, you know, there's 17 players on board. We've heard Bubba's out there, Beaton is chess recruiting guys for this. We've heard plenty of people saying,

Lee Westwood talking about evidence, NDA, Adam Scott being very coy, Polter going on about whatever. I didn't even, I've totally forgot about Alan Shipknot tweeting earlier this week too, that they were gonna wait to announce the league until they got to 20 guys. They got there this week

and they're gonna announce it during the players. They were there. It was on the table. So all of that is to say, that's kind of where things were at, I think leading into Tuesday, is that right? Also, I guess we did have probably Tuesday the same day, we did have a number of big stars

from the PJ tour. I don't forget the order on a lot of these, but Rory has been wildly consistent throughout this entire process, as far as where he stands steadfastness JT continuing to say I am not interested in what they're talking about Rom continuing to say I'm not interested in what they're talking about more I was saying I have no idea what the hell is even going on. I'm here on the PGA tour Rom laid down his sword and said king of the North

The king of the North he pledged his field to pledge field team, which is Neil and I were loving that. We were on shoot this week, we just kept saying it because there's like, I mean, this very sincerely, like there's nothing better than when someone like speaks English as a second language, like so much better than I do. And just use this words that like I am not, I've never even been capable of using. I always get a massive kick out of that. So some big news middle of the week. Web Simpson and Peter Malnotti voted PAC.

Oh my God, I've got that this week. Code Chairman. This week is well taken over for the aforementioned Charlie Hoffman and Kevin Kizner, I believe. Sounds right. Yeah, I'm sure Phil has some takes on that, probably, because he wants to set up a whole new government within the PGA tour. Well, I feel like it's funny too because Maldonadi is a guy that these guys are like

You know kind of Like he's the poster child for these guys basically being unhappy with he should be and they keep making other takes Like if their take was just pretty much like yo like come on man like we're kind of making your guys livelihood for you right now Which is probably not gonna be popular in the locker room. Which I think it's back to the post-eats comment. Right? Which is like, dude, don't... Just say it.

Don't blame this on the PJ tour. Don't blame this on like all these other... Just explain what you're trying to say. Say, hey, Peter Monardi is making too much money. Yes. That money should be mine. Hey, we're giving too much money to charity. Yeah.

That money should be mine. Like, come out with those, Dave. If that's what you're believing here, like come out with it. And then you got web sips and who was really bitchy lately about some person increases for the ladies as well. Which, and maybe a Horshawl and I'm trying to think who else was running. Horshawl and somebody else was running. But Horshawl got the L, took the L and the election. So, can we get into the Phil quotes now? Which day was this that Alan Shipnick posted a

incendiary article on the fire pit collective, basically taking a chapter out of his book that is up coming up in May. You can pre-order it about Phil Mikkelson, the unauthorized, cop, version, biography, whatever you will about Phil Mikkelson. I believe this was on Wednesday. On Wednesday. So Alan in the course of putting this book together has spoke to, I'll read the passage here from this article. This interview comes from November of this past year,

published now as it looks like things are going down before this book is about to go to print. He said, knowing in the course of my reporting, I had conducted nearly 200 interviews with both his critics and supporters. Michelson couldn't resist trying to pedal influence regarding one of the most polarizing chapters in a Coral Sum career.

Michelson told me he had enlisted three other top players he declined to name and that they had paid for attorneys to write the SGL's operating agreement, codifying that the players would have control of all of the details. First of all, first I'm hearing of that. That's insane.

That's insane. So yeah, we'll get to a bunch of reaction after the only big thing, obviously paying, having players write up the operating agreement for a rival league, like not exaggerating is like, yo, you guys need to be suspended as fuck. If that's not conduct, unbecoming, like trying to dismantle the PGA tour, I don't know, I truly don't know what it is. And then they also brought in, they basically told the audience, bring in slugger, like, how big of a patsy slugger?

Yeah. Well, that's kind of what I was going to say is, number two, there's a lot, lot, lot to take away from a lot juicier quotes that we're going to get to. But number two, let's not gloss over the fact that this entire thing, our big hesitation towards it, I mean, I think we've all been very, very pro PGL, or at least PGL working in concert with the PGA tour,

having some sort of infrastructure run up to some sort of global tour is a good thing, right? Having it all run up to a Saudi run like World Tour that literally to MBS literally to the Saudi government that is cow-towing to the players throughout the operating agreement, just like, hey, we want to write this up so that we get to make all the decisions. Like, most of you guys are fucking morons, especially when it comes to like what's good for fans, what's interesting to watch, how much access should people have,

all of those things like you guys are idiots. Like that's the last people that should be making those decisions. So I just wanna, yeah, that's an important line in there. It's like we wrote this operating agreement to make sure that we had control over everything. So dude, that's the problem now. So you guys have too much control. And you think it's not enough.

Which Phil also said in 2006 that he doesn't believe that the players should have any say in the tour. The players should be separated from him. Listen, that was a long time ago. That was a long time ago, it was before it FTs. So the strangest thing that Phil has done through all of this and it fits so well and from what Alan says in here in the article and what I've heard from multiple people

that know him better than I do is like, his uncontrollable desire to be the smartest man in the room, like it makes me wanna play poker with him so bad. Like he can't, like if he's bluffing, he would straight up like wink at you. Like, you know, can you see what I'm doing here? Do you understand? Let me explain what I'm doing.

You probably don't understand it. You can't, you don't just say out loud that you're using people for leverage. That's not how leverage works, okay? So let's get to this next part. Especially when they're the literal Saudi government. He quote, this is quote, he didn't pretend to be excited about hitching his fortunes to Saudi Arabia.

Admitting the SGL was nothing more than what he called, quote, sports washing by a brutally repressive regime, quote, there's scary mother fuckers to get involved with. We know they killed Jamal Kishoggi and have a horrible record on human rights. They execute people over there for being gay, knowing all of this. Why would I consider it? Because this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to reshape how the PGA tour operates. They've been able to get by with manipulative, coercive, strong arm tactics because we, the players had no recourse. We the people.

As nice a guy as Jay Monahan comes across, unless you have leverage, he won't do what's right. And the Saudi money has finally given us that leverage. I'm not sure I even want the SGL to succeed, but just the idea of it is allowing us to get things done with the PGA tour. You know what phrases, what clauses doing a lot of work in that is, quote, doing what's right. Yes.

We're like, yeah, Jay just won't do what's right. So I went to the Saudis. I went to go bluff the Saudi government to say it like, oh my God. What's right. Like, I, but he probably really actually believes this, I think. I think he does too. But the quote that kept coming to mind for me

was something from the wire when Slim Charles is like trying to explain like a long going battle I don't even remember the details of it, but I just remember something along the lines of like, it don't matter if it started on a lie, you fight on that lie. That is what Phil has going on. Like he is trying to give off this image

that the PGA tour is just hoarding. In his words, I think $800 million, which we'll get to, I think at a certain point in this, hoarding millions and millions and millions of dollars away from players as if like, it's not their mandate to create money for the players. And that is also not like extremely transparent where the money's going.

Yes. He just like three X's every number involved, and I'm talking about the $20 billion asset that he 1000X, whatever that digital asset properties. It's just like not true, and he's counting on being able to push this narrative out there and enough people talking about it and saying these numbers out loud

and willing that into being true and it's just not. Slim Charles always reminded me of Dustin, by the way. Yes, he would be, I think he was when we did the wire podcast. So, yeah. We'll say the tours, going back to reporting, the tours pretty opaque when it comes to true disclosures and reporting and everything like that.

I mean, I know they've come out with, we can talk about the financial statement and all that stuff, but there have been requests, I think, from several players that have said, hey, can we get independent people to audit the books? Grant Thornton audit the books. Exactly. They're a proud partner, they're not independent.

I think it is something though that I think the tour probably has not communicated that well yet also the ignorance is shared by the players. Right. Like the information is probably there more than they want to say it is. Like I just don't trust that the players have done their due diligence to like, well, the players just seem like they don't understand what their recourse or what their mechanisms for transparency and for leadership are like here here's how you get a message across here's how you operate within your organization yeah they seem really ignorant to that I also I mean saw this is kind of what you've been getting at to but I think all the numbers just get

flattened so badly where like like a million dollars and a billion dollars becomes like the same thing. You know what I mean? Where it's like, yeah, they're squirreling away all this money. It's like, dude, they can't hide, I'll have a billion dollars somewhere. That's not what's going on.

Like, yes, could they be like a little more efficient? Do they probably, like, is there some things they could probably tighten up? Sure. But again, as I've said on this podcast before, like, if you think that the tour is like lavishing their employees and all these other like hidden things, you think everybody's like getting fat on the PJ tour?

Not the case, not the case, I promise. And especially like over the last, you know, this was probably more, a lot more true five to seven years ago. It seems like since Monahann has come in, he's definitely trimmed the fat. You know, I know they're building a fat new, or they just build a fat new headquarters, build a global home, excuse me.

But, you know, also, I think there's a certain level of dishonesty with what Phil's saying because he's not backing out all the TPC network stuff. I think that's a big stumbling block for him. Well, like even that is a good example of like, so the HQ which like truly, I think that's a big stumbling block. Well, like even that is a good example of like so the the HQ Which like truly I know it's very fun and we'll continue to make jokes about it because it's I mean they build a lot Yes, but even that is was what they need to protect this house and it might have worked

They need protection. Yeah, even that was what 65 million dollars for for a new Brand-fucking-new head That's about 90, but yeah. That's one NFT. Even still, like truly though, what I'm getting at is like, your goal organization. Yeah, first of all, like I'm fully support the idea of like it's hard to recruit people to come

to Jacksonville and like take jobs. So I like, I get that. Two, it's like the pip is going up to $50 million next year. Like, they are, that is such an, that's an annual expense. That's such a yes. Exactly, like that's such a,

I'm not saying it's a drop in the bucket, but like kind of compared to some of the numbers that are being thrown about here. You know what I mean? Like, totally. Phil talks, like they're sitting on like billions and billions and billions of dollars and it's like, dude, that's not the case.

Like, keeping it for themselves is what he makes itself. Like summing through their operating expenses and everything, like, you know, a large portion of it goes to the TPC network because that's, you know, it's expensive to run golf courses, but there's ancillary benefits to all that stuff as well. There's an income that comes related to that too. It just, it ends up grossing up your income statement, higher income, higher expenses.

But so when Phil tries to say 26% of the income is distributed to, you know, there's some pass-through stuff that can get caught up in that and it's just not a good portrayal of things. And it just, when it's presented so dishonestly by Phil, it calls his entire case into question, if you ask me. Like, you can't, it's not in good faith. Like, whatever he's doing here.

Very clearly, he's trying to leverage the Saudi government to reshape the way a PGA tour is doing their business. At age 51, he has, he's earned $95 million has a pension worth how much. And he's claiming he wants to reshape the way the PGA tour is done. And what got, let me keep going a little bit here because it starts to paint a little bit clear picture of maybe why Phil needs some money. Turner sports had to pay the tour a $1 million licensing fee. Each of the times Phil has teed it up in an iteration of the match. Though, Mikkelson himself has made upwards of $15 million from the franchise. And Phil says, I don't want to say it's infuriating, but it's definitely more

than frustrating. He said, of having to pay the rights fee. A bigger deal is that, I don't want to say it's infuriating, but it's definitely more than frustrating. He said of having to pay the rights fee. A bigger deal is that the players don't own highlights of their own shots. Each of these moments potentially could be turned into an NFT and sold to fans or collectors. And then parentheses says over the last year, more than $600 million worth of NBA NFTs have been sold with the 5% transaction fees being split evenly among every player in the league. Numerous NFTs of NBA players have sold for prices in the six figures. So if the NBA is positing here, if the NBA has six, has sold $600 million worth of NFTs and the players get 5% of the other players.

Right. They sold the six, so they get the players split 5% of that amount. Like, what's the math on that? How does Phil get to, how does Phil get to 20 billion dollars in digital assets? The PGA tour has. It's like 30 million dollars, which is less than this year's PIP, which is less than 20 billion as well. Correct. So the tour is sitting, and that's the NBA.

Yes. Yes. Yes. It's a much more popular organization than the P. Yes. Like it was just yes. Much more popular organization and the PGA tour. Continuing on the tour is sitting on multiple billions of dollars worth of NFTs. Michelson said during our chat they're sitting on hundreds of millions of dollars worth of digital content. We could be using for our social media feeds.

The players need to own all of that. We played those shots. We created those moments. We should be the ones to profit. The tour doesn't need that money. They are already sitting on an $800 million cash stock pile. How do you think they're funding the PIP or investing $200 million in the European tour?

The tour is supposed to be a nonprofit that distributes money to charity. How the fuck is it legal for them to have that much cash on hand? The answer is it's not, but they always want more and more. They have to control everything through ego, won't allow them to make the concessions they need to. Which like, as I read that again, the whole, everything he's saying about the tour,

I just want to like flip on him. That's what I was gonna say. It's like, yo, who's, you ego who's talking about your man? But also like, you are the tour. You are the tour. He tries to create, we've talked about this last couple weeks of trying to create this personality for the tour that is, like, you know, again, like we've said many times, like the tour is designed to get money for the players.

So what he's pissed about is the fact that they're distributing that equally or relatively equally among the tour players, regardless of your stature within the game, based on results, not on stature. I think goes back to like the tours structure, you know, of being a membership organization that has to treat all members equally. And I mean, there's a lot to like pick out in there. It's like, we actually got to a lot of this stuff last week before he even said the quiet part out loud here.

But like, I don't think we really need to rehash like why a league can't give all of its media rights to its players and like that doesn't fucking make sense. And again, it feels like I thought a pretty smart dude and I'm sure there's some warped backwards way that he's like made that make sense in his head, but dude, I don't, I don't get how that could possibly work. Well, I mean, it sounds like he's advocating for, all right, yeah, like if I can make another $60 million off of my highlights, but that structure impedes the tour

for making $600 million off of it, he is totally cool with that. Yes, he will, yes, he will cannibalize the whole structure of the tour is built off these rights things. Again, we've talked about this last several weeks. Like you can't sell the rights to CBS, NBC, ESPN, and then also turn around and be like, hey, players, also do whatever you want with your own rights. That's not how leagues work. Tom Brady doesn't own his touchdown passes. LeBron doesn't own his dunks. That's not how it works. And also again, he just, I just want to reiterate this. He says, they're sitting on an $800 million cash stockpile. We have reached out to

tour context that said, even before the pandemic, it was not, not even near half of that. And those reserves were used specifically when the tour needed an emergency fund to pay out players, you know, during a series of events that weren't allowed to have fans and a, an entire pandemic was cropped up by a Reserve fund held for this exact reason so and go in the tours Website and like look how many open jobs there are like they're having trouble even attracting anybody to work for them because they're not paying anybody anything Yes, so Continuing on but our his grievances fueled by money or principal with michaelson

You can never be sure given the massive scale of his gambling losses, detailed elsewhere in the book, which again, you can pre-order, the Saudi seduction might be born of necessity. Mikkelsen, who's $94 million in career PGA tour earnings, is second only to that of Tiger Woods, raised eyebrows when he sold his golf stream in 2019. This is an angle, pausing for a second. It's an angle I have not thought of yet. I honestly didn't even know he did that. I don't follow a plane. I don't follow a plane.

You love that jet. Yeah, the quote here says, he loved that plane so much. It was like his fourth child said someone very close to Mikkelsen. I was absolutely shocked that he sold it. The only reason I could possibly imagine him doing it was him feeling serious financial pressure. Phil and his wife Amy have purchased land in Jupiter,

Island in Florida, and they have been interviewing architects. Phil may yet get the Haven from state. It's like, it's like citizen canes, man. Just driving everybody away, building this big ass mansion. Just anitude. Yeah. Exactly. Phil may yet, what, just think I, what do I feel, Phil's sled is going to be spoiler alert,

the Rosebud's is sled. Phil may yet get the Haven from state income tax. He has long lusted after John Feinsteinstein writer said, I was interviewing him one time. He said, a purpose of nothing. You always think of me as a right winger, but I'm actually pretty liberal in social issues like abortion. I said, but your number one issue is taxes. He said, no, no, no, no. My number one, two, three, four, five issues are all taxes. So yeah, pausing theirs is to say like, listen, again, we've made

this point, but Phil, not acting like a guy who has a lot of money right now. And on top of the $94, $95 million he's made on course, like, the guy's made $50 million a year for at least the last 20 years in endorsements. Or like, like, all in with, you Yeah, endorsements, on course earnings, all of it. It's a lot. I don't know what it is. I know the Forbes article that's out there said in 2016, he made $53 million, which again, it's probably not a peak earning year for him in 2016.

Like, Paparez had, I think an interview with GulfDigester.com, and he basically went in. He's like, yeah, like, feels made close to, like, close to a billion dollars in his career. Like, like, it's, it's wild that he needs this money, this badly. Phil also had some comments back in 2013, made very public comments about new tax laws in California and how he was paying 62, 63% of his income.

But I just didn't know that the PGA tour and that Monahan specifically were making him live in California. That was news to me also. I don't know how that helped. Like the whole thing just feels like when you start- You put on the system on trial, man. When you start getting the, you know, the Saudis toss out, you know, nine figures, right? It's like, all right, then they work their way back for, all right, How do we make this seem logical or how do we sell this to everybody else? It's that's all it really feels like honestly

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It's about control. The tour likes to pretend it's a democracy, but really it's a dictatorship. He told me, God, I cannot believe it's a real quote. They divide and conquer the concerns of the top players are very different from the guys who are lower on the money list, but there's a lot more of them. They use, there it is, baby. They use the top guys to make their own situation better, but the top guys don't have a say. That's the end of the quote. Players are on minority on the

all power. It's not a democracy. There's too many people voting on this sheet. Not a democracy. We are going to Saudi Arabia and you can't stop us. Okay. They're trying to keep Peter Von Adi away from the polls. Exactly. Players are a minute. Voting machines keep breaking. Players are a minority. Even a great attitude about it though. On the all powerful PGA tour policy board holding four of the nine seats with the other five being filled by luminaries of the business world who by agent experience

have more in common with the commissioner than the Jocks. These are not quotes as part of the article. Mitch again, it seems like a good thing for their business. That's also like, who Phil seems to think of him. Yes, exactly. Like, Stephen said. Yeah, I was gonna say, who do you think knows more about running a billion dollar company,

a 20 billion dollar company, excuse me. Randall Stevenson or like Kevin Kizner, no offense to Kevin Kizner. All of those guys have a lot of experience making money for other people too. Shareholders, things like that. Phil's trying to take money out of these stakeholders of the PGA tour.

Michelson's idea for governance is, he says, based on the U.S. Congress. Oh, here we go. Honestly, this was interesting. I didn't say it was good. I said it was interesting. The Taurus vast middle class would be like the house, voting on ideas that would then be rejected or tweaked

and ultimately ratified by a much smaller Senate-like body composed of the game's biggest stars. The elders. The white, the white-s elders. Quote, that way nothing will get down without the approval of both sides, Michaelson says it's an idealistic vision. Where's the dividing line between the halves and the half knots? We'll write about that on sheet paper.

It's the only fair way. Continue with the article, Shipnack writes, Phil claims to have spent at least a dozen hours on the phone talking through these issues with monahen but found him to be unresponsive on issues. Possibly because they're stupid. Yeah. On issues of name, image likeness, the SGL policies will be far more favorable to the players than what they are getting with the PGA tour opening up.

Which doesn't exist. Opening up a massive revenue stream in addition to the guaranteed dough that comes with playing for the SGL. Once we get to my tour on the moon, everything's gonna be fucking different. The fact that NFTs are like what set him off or what really like, that was the... That's what we were saying.

It was probably one meeting. It was just like, dude, imagine the people that are in this guy's ears. Like you think, like, these quotes that he made to a journalist on the phone are bachelors crazy, imagine what's coming in on the other ear. You know what I mean?

So before we close out the phrasing of this conversation, or the framing of it, I should say, Shipnuck writes, Mikkelsen has a compulsive need to be seen as the smartest guy in the room. Not once, did he say our conversation was off the record or on background or just between us or anything remotely like that?

He's simply opened a vein. Even knowing he came armed with agenda, I was amazed by his bluntness as always He remains a wild card is the house of sod's long money seductive Obviously, but for michael's in the Saudi question is about being right as much as anything else Is he ready really ready to try and blow up the pga torphy doesn't get his way He says I know 20 guys who want to do this He said about the sgl and if the toward doesn't do the right thing

There's a high likelihood. it's going to happen. It's got 20 nations. So help me, help me understand, like, Phil saying this to a journalist that's writing a book about him, like spelling out, like, I don't actually want this thing with these scary motherfuckers. The only thing I can possibly think,

and I will say as a front, like I trust Alan as a journalist, and I'm sure that, you know, what he wrote in the book is, you know, if Phil never said it was off the record and Phil called him up and knew he was writing a book and knew all, like I'm sure Alan did everything by the book, but there's no fucking way Phil was expecting this conversation to be on the record. Like there had to be, or had to be some cross wires. Or had to be some cross wires. Or had to be some cross wires.

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Or had to be some cross wires. Or had to be some cross wires. Or had to be some cross wires. Or had to be some cross Yes. Or the tour had like capitulated to him, you know, and like, and then to like, he's, which he probably meant was the, the likely outcome based on like, right? That's what I'm saying. You just take arrogant. Exactly. You know, so it's worth noting the gaps. This happened, this call happened in November. This we're recording this on February 20th. The book is supposed to come out in May, right? So lots happened since November, even. So maybe even Phil would say like, well, shit, man, I, they called my bluff. And now I do want to go to the SGL. Maybe he would have said that this week, right? Instead of, you know, kind of, I'm sure he felt a little bit surprised that this came out this week. But I, I, if I have the quote

in there too, that like he doesn't even know if he wants it to work. Yes. We went through that one. Which again is like, dude, like you can't, you can't like show your seven to off-suit and then keep betting. Like that's not how this game works. I guess. What is, I don't understand what his play is here. How deep do you think Phil is in crypto? Listen, that's where I'm going to draw the line on this conversation, right? All right. T.C. I haven't tried to get you to buy Bitcoin for weeks. Come on, dog. I believe it was Lou Brown that tweeted from the man who got stripped down by the SEC, the

FBI, and the mob brings you his newest hit, the Saudi government. I just can't believe, like, man, I'm not saying this was the only thing that sunk this whole endeavor. I mean, who knows what was gonna happen where it was gonna go, but like, man Phil, like it just really, you think that the, you know, the T-Shot of Wingfoot was bad. It's like, man, the one thing you couldn't do here

was just like call a journalist and offer all this stuff. It's like when Dr. Dreret was about to sell a beat spy Jret apple and he was running around all over town. Like everybody. Well, that's more the price of the deal is almost off. They almost pulled the plug on the deal

because Dr. J had loose lips because it is amazing to sit here a week after our last podcast and like talk about this league in the past tense now. This league, man. Because, because a couple of comments came in today, was there a chance this whole thing was a huge smoke screen and you guys were missing

this whole thing, literally not one chance. This was extremely real and we're gonna get to a couple other people that are no longer rumored with it. And how big of a domino this was to fall. I don't know how this league could have continued after the dude that drafted it up, which we didn't know about that to this point,

is also saying like yeah, I don't even really want to succeed. I'm just trying to force the tour into action. Like that's it, your game's up. You lose the leverage. The minute you say I'm just doing this for leverage. Yeah. And the minute you say all the other stuff too, that like-

Yeah, the minute you say all the things A too, that like- Yeah, like your ass. Yeah, the minute you say all the things Aiman's been saying, all the things that like, everybody who's following this story has been saying. And just like, yeah, no, I am totally aware of it, but I was still wanna take the money. Yeah. Or a bluff.

Like, worst case, you know, I'll just take the money and go do it. Best case, you know, I'll bluff and I'll get my money over here. But I'm cool with either way. The minute you say that, like any other player who goes along with that is just gonna feel like such a dipshit, even more like they had this like invisibility cloak that that fill was providing them and that power numbers too.

And that's a big thing. I do think this is a guess, but I do think Phil was kind of had probably told all those 20 guys. I'll keep the heat off you. Like I will be the human shield here. I do not. I did not. I did not.

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I did not. I did not. I did not. I did not. I did not. which gets us to to Bryson's thing today, which, you know, let's get to Dustin first, right? Because it comes out this morning again, the three pillars released it through the PGA tour. Correct. That was interesting. Uh, statement on behalf of Dustin Johnson. Somebody had a good point that because it came from the PGA tour, uh, comms Twitter account, there was more likely that Dustin actually said it. If it would have come from his own Twitter account, obviously that wouldn't have been

hit. So he said it to Jack Ryan, Shadow recruit. Over the past several months, there has been a great deal of speculation about an alternative tour, much of which seems to have included me and my future in professional golf. I feel it is now time to put such speculation to rest. I am fully committed to the PGA tour. I am grateful for the opportunity to play on the best tour in the world and for all it has provided me and my family. While there will always be areas where our tour can improve and evolve, I am thankful for our leadership and the many sponsors who make the PGA tour golf premier tour. I mean, that sounds like DJ for sure. For, of course. DJ feels like the one that, like, the important one.

We're like, if DJ was still hanging onto it, I feel like Bryson could have said, you know what, we can give this a go. He's been, you know, one of the masters recently, world number one kind of guy, like, he's got the cash A. As soon as he bails, I don't think there's any more cover for Bryson. Oh, for sure.

Which, which I also, Bryson did this in his statement to you, but I'm so out on the like indignant, like, many people have been lumping me in with this stuff. Like, you bullshit. No, this was happening. Like, yes. You still have some questions you got to finally put this to rest.

You guys have all been talking about this. Yeah. I had no, I had no opportunity to put this to rest prior. Nobody has asked me about this or put a microphone in my face. MBS hit me over the head many, many times, many times with a hammer. I had no choice. I had to get, I had to. I got kids a couple of weeks ago.

He wouldn't answer questions on it because he had an NDA on it. So I think the next question has to be and somebody needs to ask him this. And if nobody does, I will go to the press conference of the players and ask them if they have a press or like, hey, did you have an agreement? And since then, like, what has happened? Like, how did you get out of this agreement? That's the thing. What changed?

Like, are they out of the agreement? I don't know. Or is it going to be caught up in litigation or that sort of thing? Because. True, true rumor. I heard that there was an opt out date or something that a way to opt out of this. Okay. And I, where is this?

Again, this is a certain number of guys don't materialize. Let me qualify this a million times. I'm honestly more brainstorming here than I am reporting on anything. But like, supposedly, potentially, maybe some money has been paid to these guys and they will need to be returning that money if they opted out by a certain date.

I do not know if that's true or not. I would like that question to be pointed in those guys' direction, because I would like to hear if they have an answer for that, or if they have a no comment, that'll be an easy answer, because the people left holding the bag on this are not gonna be happy about this. They're scary motherfuckers. The scary motherfuckers are the ones that got played here

and the ring there is out there bragging about playing them. How was that going to play out? And like, boy, like it's like the worst case scenario for Phil. He's he's bragging about playing them and he has to go back with his tail tuck bot in between his legs or the PGA tour. In a lot, in a lot of ways, it was almost the best case scenario from an outsider's perspective. It's just these guys get completely farted on

reputations tarnished, and they don't get the money that they were thinking they were gonna get, and they have to go back to the PGA tour and a giant collection of their peers who now fucking hate them. And they have all these people super furious at that. I'm super bummed though. Like I wanted to see a shorter and would have been sick.

Press conference in a couple weeks. You could have had it at your house. Yeah. And then Jay laying down the hammer right on them that you know, hey, you guys are banned for life. And then like in Bryson just being stuck. That's the thing that paces me off here is like, you know, on the one hand Bryson's out,

you know, a hundred million plus, $150 million up front, which is great news. But on the flip side, like I wanted to see him marginalized so badly and just go over there and play with, yeah, it's like Coke rack and Michelson and Justin Rose and Ian Poulter and like who gives a shit? Go play over there guys. Just eating like horrible lobster salad and Trump the Rale.

And a bunch of just the worst possible people you could see swarming the clubhouse to go to say, I'm hesitant to put a, to have a funeral for the SGL. I for sure. And that was a big parade today as in this thing's not no longer gonna happen or for sure. And that was a big parade today as in this thing's not no longer gonna happen or it's dead. It was a big victory today. It was, I mean, the war's not over.

The war is not won, but there's still a lot that can happen. It was the victory in the Pacific today. Exactly. The Atlantic, the Pacific needs to be closed out. A couple of years if that's the case. So, I think on that note, where do they go next? I think they go to. the Pacific still needs to be closed out. Couple of years if that's the case. So I think on that note, where do they go next? I think they go to...

Can we get to Bryson next? So we have Dustin comes out of this statement and in those few hours, it was pretty much like, all right, Bryson statement's coming in any moment now because Bryson's left all alone out there. Poor guy. It's twisting in the wind. We had heard he's changed his position on this and that I threw something out there. Poor guy. Squisting in the wind. We had heard, you know, he's changed his position on this.

And that I threw something out there like expect a statement. Somewhat soon and he comes out with, while there has been a lot of speculation surrounding my support for another tour, I want to make it very clear that as long as the best players in the world are playing the PGA tour, so will I. As of now, I am focused on getting myself healthy and competing again soon. I appreciate all the support. What a bitch.

Seriously, I mean, what a, what a, like there's so much to read into on that. This is your second statement of the week. You could have cleared the speculation up Monday whenever you made your first statement that you weren't doing it, but you didn't change your position until this weekend, until this Phil thing happened.

This Phil Domino is enormous. And I didn't see this coming. I didn't see it falling apart like this. I mean, we couldn't have been much more confident about how real this thing was getting. It was getting stronger and stronger and stronger and Phil nuked this thing by just being dumb about it. Maybe he wanted to nuk it, but I cannot imagine

that Bryson and DJ are feeling very good about themselves right now. No, exactly. I totally agree. And again, who we shouldn't let skate is, go imagine the Kramer Hickok thing. If there are 16, 17 other guys that have signed on for this thing, they are gonna get off completely scoff-free.

T.C., you were saying we need to have tribe unals for these people. We do, we should do it at the Dutch Open. If we really wanna, you know, pump up the strategic alliance. Do it, you know, do it in the Netherlands, do it with the Hague. I think it's a shit, there's a golf course,

that Royal Hague, I think. There is, that's pretty sweet, right? Do you carry Hague involved in the cross-fleeing? Make some rulings. Do you get any of the set-up. They always rave about his setup. And... I'm not serious. It's like Paul Casey.

Like, what do you have to say for yourself? You're a dipshit. Papa, you're a dipshit. Like, you know, I mean, there's... No, no, no. You guys, they have every right to take that money. Like, you would take the money too. You would take the money too.

You wouldn't take the money too. Yeah. And T.C. What about China? What about China? Then it became at the Genesis came a bit of a dunk fest, Rory let up. I don't want to kick someone while they're down.

This was the real slam dunk contest today. However, but I thought his comments were naive, selfish, egotistical and ignorant. You could read that in a Stephen A Smith voice. I was shocked. It was naive, selfish, egotistical, ignorant. It was just very surprising and disappointing.

Sad, I'm sure he's sitting at home sort of rethinking his position and where he goes from here. And then he was asked if D. Shambot and DJ's commitment to the PGA tour will end the threat of the Saudi back super league. He said, yeah, who's left? Who's left to go? I mean, there's no one. It's dead in the water, in my opinion. I just can't see any reason why anyone would go. We'll gray ahead a tweet that Rory was less looking forward to kicking someone while they're down than the dude from American history X or before he curbs stops those people. I did

not get that one. Thank you for it. It's a tough scene. A true, a little tough scene. I just think Bryson's thing, as long as- Yes, so many golf occasions- As players in the world are playing here. This is where I want to play. Yeah, as long as you guys are going to literally make me not take this money, then I have no choice,

but to not take the money. Very much. Tell me you were committed to this thing or we could go without telling me you were committed to it. There were a few people who were like, oh, see, you guys were wrong. Oh, yeah, really? That's what you cleaned from that.

We were wrong. Yes, this dude that waited two years to finally come out and say that he's not interested in it. Yeah, I'm sure that was your case all along. It's just, now the, it was his only option. I mean, he had to, you know, he had to do it. It's just good to clear up all these people who are just talking about the fake news media. It's just, now the, it was his only option. I mean, he had to, you know, he had to do it. It's just good to clear up all these people who are just talking about the fake news media.

It's Dustin too. Again, we can't, we can't skate by on Dustin too. It's gonna happen and Bryson's gonna be the bullet spawn for a lot of the sheep. I have such a hard time being a dignant on Dustin when, like Dustin's never tried to talk about anything except, like Dustin doesn't truly does not care, just giving them money. Yeah, it somehow feels better with Dustin and it shouldn't. You know, I'm just, I'm lazy with it with Dustin. It doesn't make any less wrong, I guess.

No, it doesn't. And I feel like we've somewhat given him a pass for it. And it just, yeah, I'm very sick of this whole thing, and I think it's maybe gonna go away now, but. The guy that needs to release a statement more than anybody is Coke rack. We're waiting for that. Seriously, he needs, I want to-

That's what I'm saying. I think he's going to them tonight and saying, guys, I am still here. I am here. I'm all in. I am here. I'm all in. I'm all in. I'm all in. I'm all in.

I feel bad for him. He had that quote about how he wanted to retire. He's going to be working until it gets that pension now, which is tough. JT said about Phil's quotes that yet it seems like an egotistical statement. I only remember who else kind of got it on the fun. I'm sure since we've been recording, there's been a lot more things happen. So what does Phil do now?

I mean, I think, yeah, let me start with like, what does the tour do? Is the tour like straight up suspend, ban these people? Like what, like I'm being totally serious on that. And how do you do it to fill if fill if to only fill if Phil says there were three other players who helped me draw up these I would give Phil I would give Phil I would say you know what you get immunity if you if you walk us through this entire thing and and and pledge field to you. I'd say that to Dustin. Yeah or I'd

say Dustin doesn't seem like he's going to knock out people though. Exactly. Bryce would. How do you know how quick you could flip Bryce and get a name without a Bryce? I don't know how, if you read the player handbook, how this is not conduct on becoming. Like legitimately like man who worst conduct on. I don't know how you can't suspend these guys for like a year. I think you got to suspend Phil for like three years. Which at that point he's 55 almost 54.

But then, but then, if that's where it comes or, or does he go start his own circus? I'll tell you what you should do. I would go the opposite direction. I would tell Phil, you know what? You got to play every week on the champion to our schedule every week for the next three years. I have because there is a clause in the handbook that says public comments that a member knows

or should reasonably know will harm the reputation or financial best interest of the PGA tour of fellow member player, a term sponsor or a charity are expressly covered by this section. Any violation of this section shall be considered conduct on becoming a professional. And that was violating like every all those things. So I don't know how they get away with not suspending him, which what is that going to do to him? What is Phil going to do for money going forward? Seriously, like I said, I mean, if he's not a PJ tour, I mean, we were kind of joking

about this earlier, but if he's not a PJ tour member anymore and he wants to start a full on circus of like the match times a bunch, I mean, I guess I don't know where you get the money for that and the- Phil versus Jared Kushner. Oh, I don't know how the media aspect of that works. Like who's gonna tune in?

Yeah, I don't, man. What if Phil's just, just unemployed? I mean, Phil, Phil, Phil, Phil, Phil, and unemployed. Phil losing is like, like, Rory's just just unemployed? I mean, Phil, Phil, pissed off and unemployed. Phil losing is like, like, Rory's sending with workday this week, like, didn't feel like an accident, right? That's what happens with Phil and all the sponsors,

some of which we share, like, I don't know the answer to that. You're a former employer. My former employer, because I'm sorry, cleaning. I'm not, not even a little bit. Your device was made in China, your hands are clean on this.

It, it, not even a little bit. Your device was made in China, your hands are clean on this. Brandy works for an accounting firm, his hands aren't clean either. It's realistically, it's not outside the realm of possibility that it gets suspended or banned from the PGA tour and lose several if not all of his sponsors through this. And the SGL goes away. We've seen that before in that,

when one sponsor goes, it makes it a lot easier for the other for us to go. So then what happens? Like does he start his own tour? No, how? Like, where's the money coming from? The match series, I mean,

the match series, but like the match series is all tied to like Phil's good guy image. And like capital one, Turner sports and capital one and all that stuff. Like people are forgiving in this country. People was like, oh, he got done wrong. I think there will be for sure people would say that.

Or he just goes so off the deep end, not that he already isn't, but like he goes so off the deep and it's almost like can't miss shit. Like he's complete cartoon character outrageousness. Vince McMahon. Yeah. I, you know, I was joking about this earlier in the week. What if he turns in a Kurt Schilling?

I mean, but like, think about how much money he makes off his enforcement. He makes so much money, more money off his insurance than his own course. Like that's gonna. And he made the most money he's ever made from the PGA tour last year. And he just did this.

Like, what the fuck are you doing, dude? Like, what are you doing? And there was a lot of stuff in there or I'm just going around this week about like, this is gonna nuke Torpedo his, you know, the idea of him doing TV, the idea of him Captain and Ryder Cup C. See ya.

That page gone. All this stuff. I feel like every, every near term Ryder Cup captain with the exception of like Zach Johnson was implicated in this thing. That's the thing. Is the Ryder Cup dead? the exception of like Zach Johnson was implicated in this thing. That's the thing. Is the Ryder Cup dead? Like that's another fall out of this.

Like I was, I hope Polterd, I needed Polterd there for this revenge tour that the US is gonna be on. If he's gone, it just makes it all. I think they should revoke some Ryder cups that Europe won. That's interesting. That's interesting.

We can take that off. Anything that Phil played it a little. All right, so what did the Saudis do? My take is this thing. one. That's interesting. We can take that off. And anything that Phil played it. So what did the Saudis do? I might might take his. I think it's no fun. I think it's brushing right under the rug and just move on. It's over. They should have tried to shit on Phil's phone. Oh, God. I don't know. Yeah, what's that? I don't want to see what's on there. But I think I like, oh, no, never mind. Just keep it. What's that program called? I don't know. Pegasus. Yeah. Yeah. That I mean, I think yeah, I think they acted like, oh no, no, never mind. Just keep it. What's that program called?

I don't know. Pegasus? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, I think they go after. By the way, you imagine all, we're waiting in a weird territory. What if, imagine all this time he spent with them and all the communication he's had with them, they probably, do they've probably drilled into everything he has?

And now what do you think they're going to want to do with it? Exactly. Shit, another thing I would do if I was them, I would say, I would call it Billy Walters, and I'd say, you know what, we will back you against any libel or slander lawsuits when you write this book about Phil that's supposedly coming out later this year as well. Cause I get the sense from this chapter of Alan's book

that this will not be the worst thing in the book and Alan's book. Oh, this just is like the little appetizer. Yeah, I mean, he hints in this article about gambling losses being covered in another one and gosh, this one's pretty bad. It's bad, but like, I mean, the gambling losses, listen, that's, that's no good, but literally drawing up articles. Okay, Luke the PJ Tworney bad in a handshake agreement with the Saudi government's tough.

That's okay, I'll give you that one. I need a picture. I'm not a sign of how big of a deal this is. I need a picture of Phil and MBS, like gathered around that orb. Yes. The DT and MBS is dad, you know, we're all gathered around.

But seriously, the Saudis, like I would imagine that the logical thing to do would be to redouble your efforts on the Asian tour, put this on the back burner, you probably publicly execute Greg Norman. And then from there, you kinda let things calm down for a little bit. Can we cover off on some things,

just a list of guys I have here for that we don't know status on still, which is. Adam Scott, Phil West. Yeah, probably not. I'm guessing for Phil Westwood, Polter, Stenson, Varner, Bubba, Paul Casey, Cocrack. I mean, that again, I think people think this thing has to have big names to get off the ground, which it's a fundamental,

a limited bank. Misunderstanding of the goal of this thing. It is to, again, I don't have time to unpack all of the whole sports washing thing, but like, I, the one thing I've heard from almost anyone involved with it or knowing about it is like, I, the one thing I've heard from almost anyone involved with it or knowing about it is like, they're putting these on.

Like this date is coming. They hired some people from CAA last week. They hired some people from other agencies. Like they're spending real money and hiring real human beings. Which I heard offers have gone out to corn fairy guys. And like, I hope all those employees feel like Dave Schitz as well.

Yeah, totally. That, I would be good. A good, that would make me feel better. Like I, I don't as far as we know it, a poaching top PGA tour players to this thing is it dead. Yes, in that regard, as of right now, in two years, who knows if, you know, blah, blah, blah, but is this thing gonna maybe happen with a group of guys that maybe we don't care about? Has been pre championschampions tour guys. Is Rory called him?

Like still could happen. I, I, that was the most likely scenario to play out, I think. If people are assuming that this means like wipe our hands of this. I got we tried. We'll go home. And that's not is what's going to happen. Yeah. So, um, I don't know.

I don't know what we left out there. But you know, you know who I would love to see making appearance in this saga, stepping into the press room in April, Billy Payne. Blue curtain comes out. If you're gonna, no, just the Billy Payne, the way he dressed down the cat, or having granted many, many affairs,

this is a thousand times worse. We need Billy Payne andusson as well way in on on what are here are great champion has been not i hope i hope he can regain his trust very first vice versa i fucked it up but you know what i'm saying yeah we got you may hire this this uh... the buccaneers executive as their c o o They hired somebody from CAA.

They hired somebody from Populous, which is like one of the Yankees press agencies. They hired somebody to do all the buildouts at all these events. I mean, what is Norman doing now? Unfortunately, it's done with players, which is a pretty good metaphor for. That was my thing though. Like at some point, which is a pretty good metaphor for. Well, that was my, that was kind of my thing though of like,

like at some point, is this gonna be 18 olds and P and, you know, we haven't heard of A dancer or, you know, and those guys or, and then like who, like who are you gonna get to augment the other 25, 28 spots, right? And I think at some point, it seems like going the corn fairy route and putting offers out to some really really promising young players and giving them, hey, here's $10 million right? Like you're going to go up and smoke tomorrow but here's $10 million guaranteed come

play on our tour for three or four years. Yeah. You know, starting to slow and building it up, you know. That's, I mean, that's what I took away from. I watched the USFL 30 for 30 the other night just to get a little bit of a comp. And that kind of seems like the way they went was just, hey, we're gonna take this other part of the schedule.

We're gonna be over here doing our thing and then all of a sudden they had signed like three high-smotrophy winners, back-to-back-to-back. And for what it's worth, there was a common person who also got involved in that. And also pretty much nuke to that by making all the wrong decisions. But that's neither here nor there.

I think that the PGL is simmering over on the sideburner without all of the salty baggage. I think they're not, they're certainly not going away. It's certainly gonna be, I think, Monahan certainly consolidated some power or has a tighter grip on things than say a year or two ago. But. Can we get into some of your,

you have some beefs I still think with the PGA tour, how things have been handled with Monahan, you wanna unpack some of those? We were talking about some before that we went on the air, but I think this is a good time to discuss about that. Yeah, I mean, I think some of it's just, you know, more from a fan perspective, right? I think they're, they're, they're, they're,

we've gotten some comments from people. They're like, all of a sudden you guys are huge PGA tour guys. It's like, do you kind of see what the alternative is here? Like, do you think that that's what we were rooting for? Well, it's like a perfect example is what they're proposing for the three, you know, the three event fall series thing that's broadcast. Like the, you know, the fall series is essentially seating for this thing.

And then it turns into this half-assed team competition. And I don't know, like there's definitely a lack of creativity. And the fact that like it's this big,ated schedule with 40-something stroke play events and free cash giveaways and FedEx Cup that doesn't mean anything. They've done a really poor job in a lot of areas of just making the game interesting. For fans.

Yeah, for fans and covering it. Their website doesn't work. It's all stuff that they're aware of and they seem to be acting on now. But I think my frustrations just more from the complacency of the last decade or so. And also, to Phil's point about it being a dictatorship, I think the players are a hell of a lot better off

because Tim Finchum ran it like a dictatorship. And who knows? There's so many bodies buried over there that we don't know about because Tim Finchum was the dude. He was a bad dude running that organization, you know? Can I throw out a very down the road just something here, just a total hypothetical here. Just bear with me on this. All right, so we have rumor or reports from first, most credit, no laying up that Trump will be

involved with the Saudi Gulf League. Great sentence. Potentially Trump to, you know, be involved with Saudi, that would mean he's involved with Saudi Arabian government. He is the favorite for the Republican nomination in 2024. Trump becomes the president in 2024, the PGA tour that has taken events away from his locations. This 501C6 designation that has been and has been granted in the past by the government, looked into and Jack Nicholson chimed in to help save in the past. Is he incentivized to help keep that? Look, if he is invested in a foreign golf league.

Listen, that's a lot's on pack. That's interesting. Hey, headie times. Maybe we'll cross that bridge when we get to it, but just a thought that I think is, it goes to show the weave, how deep this thing can potentially weave is going. just a thought that I think is, it goes to show the weave, how deep this thing can potentially weave.

Is there? So I'd like to say something to my friends, my friends, my critics at Philly Cricket Club. Oh yeah. A lot of people chime in, you know, I don't remember it Philly Cricket. Are we even hurting anything about this? Listen, I don't know if there was gonna be an event there or not.

All I know is that I heard from multiple people that the Saudis slash Greg Norman and the gang were like openly. Promoting is like on the circuit as, hey, this is like this is the level of venue that we're going to be going to. And the Paul Pit Club, Adam Stanley reported, you know, that he confirmed that they had been contacted. You know, that was a club that we had mentioned in Toronto and the Trump stuff came out again this week for both Trump courses that again we mentioned. We didn't mention rich harvest farms, which that was another one which perfect perfect for that. Crick says, how does the players they get carry that hedge at rich harvest bar? Why can't I just be if they got a lower the standard of player.

I hope they get guys who can get it up here. quarantine crick says, how does this whole debacle effect feels legacies in all time? Great. It's PGA win was insane, but I don't know if I've ever seen someone go from having the most public goodwill they've ever had in squander. It's so quickly like filtered. If he's lucky, if he's lucky nobody will remember all this. No, I think people are gonna remember this.

Well, it was so crazy, like I was talking to somebody about this today that, like he's legitimately the PGA champion. He's the different current PGA champion as the oldest major winner in history and nobody cares. Like the mega feel good story. It's unreal. But then again,

you know, I'm gonna see my dad and a week and a half and he's probably gonna be like, yeah, like, what's all this stuff going on? I know, that's where I'm with you too, that like, or deep in the weeds. It almost feels like so complex that so many people are just gonna kind of brush it over or just not take the time to really dive in,

which is probably for their best, for their mental health. We didn't even talk about snettakers quotes about that. You wanna get to those? Well, to your points back again with the PGA tour, though, as I think again, we'll say this for the third show week, like, yes, we have had a ton of issues in the past with how the entertainment aspect of this product has been presented and how it delivers to golf fans. I think this section of the years, our favorite section of the

year, but when you get into the the doldrums of summer, like it's talked to me in July. Yeah. Somebody, hey, why do you always bitch about the 3M? It of summer, like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's in many of these grievances. Unless they want to uproot the competition structure of their tour, which is just designed to funnel the money. If they want to start talking PGL, if they want to start talking team, if they want to start talking 18 events that everyone would focus in on instead of 42,

I'm listening. I'm really listening there, but that's not what they're saying. It's just not. Phil statements, or they have this huge pile of money, and they're not giving it to us, which isn't even true. And Phil, listen, I doubt you're listening at this point. I'm sure you've turned it off by now, but if you'd like to come on the podcast and talk

about all of this so far, we've only been reading your quotes, you know, with journalists that are reporting on it and choosing what to write, you can explain out anything you like. We all, of course, reserve the right to ask you anything you like, but we will welcome that opportunity to have that conversation. I think, yeah, I'm curious how that's gonna go. I think Phil's gonna go on the, put together the mega defense.

I don't, I don't, I don't, curious how that's gonna look. Who's that, who's, who's that lawyer that Rachel Uchital and like everybody else are always hard at Gloria, all right? Yeah, exactly. Phil's gonna hire Gloria all right. That sounds about right.

Sounds like he's got some attorneys on retainer already to draw up the SGL agreements. I think it's worth mentioning, I know we kind of alluded to this earlier, but you know, for as many, like you laid out, as many problems as there are with the tour on a fan side and on a, you know,

what it's like to watch week to week side and all that stuff, it's worth commending as we've kind of tried to do week to week here that Rory's been consistent a consistent no on this stuff. JT's been a consistent no ROM's been a consistent no Speed has been a consistent no like imagine how much clunkier and messier all this gets if Phil is Phil says all this like horrible shit But also every other top player in golf is already committed to this thing or already interested in this thing, right?

It's a lot harder to flip all the momentum and I think like the tour has seemed to have done by whatever means, a really good job of kind of quarantining all the like young, interesting, really, really freaking good, talented superstars out of this stuff. For whatever that's worth, right? I mean, it kind of seems to have been a self-chosen group of, like we keep saying the worst people you know.

Except for Adam Scott, I'm really disappointed in that. Yeah, me too. But also, he's like, yo, when he's good, like I can sleep at night, Phil should hire some of OJs, guys. That's interesting. Alan Dershowitz. Thanks for that, Nate. A very shak.

Robert Shapiro, I think there's a three or four that are still still around. Or just Tervolta as Robert Shapiro. He was getting junior. Did, it's kind of just now dawning on me how alone Phil is right now. I know. He's pissed off fans in this regard.

It's citizen gay, man. He's pissed off golf media. He's pissed off the brass, the PGA tour. He's pissed off a lot of PGA tour members. He's pissed off the PGA tour members that wanted to jump ship to the SGL that he's now nuked. And he's pissed off everyone involved with the SGL.

And the... And the Saudi government, yes. And the bad shit is coming down the pike with I assume ship knocks book and Billy Walters, the book that him and armoring Katan, I guess we're writing like there's a lot of bad shit floating around out there. Not good. Not good at all. I don't know what's going to happen. Do you want to get in a snettaker's quotes, which feel like, I don't know if this leverage still exists. I think Phil Nuke that he said, this is via Rex Hoggard at golf channel. The majors are going to play a major role in how we respond to the super league. I can't give you an exact number, but the players are getting

purses between 10 to 15% of total revenue at the majors. It's just, that's just TV contracts, nothing else. I'm not saying we're not playing for enough money, but the purses are lagging behind It's like literally I think that's playing for it. I think that's playing for enough money. I'm not I don't want to kick some of them while they're down Most players understand the mission for the majors is to further the game of golf But at some point we would like to know how the money is being used There needs to be some sort of transparency of where it goes. We don't have a say in that. We don't run those championships some sort of transparency of where it goes. We don't have a say in that, we don't run those championships.

Which, dude, this kept popping up. This popped up in the Kramer Hickok stuff too. And this stuff all seems to weirdly get conflated, right? Between everybody's like, yeah, I know the tour, we got all these changes we need to make, man. Like, for instance, the person the masters need to go up. It's like, dude, come on, man, you know those are two different organizations.

What the fuck is everybody talking about? The masters is maybe the one that I get them asking some questions, but also think about how much money they're spending on the golf course every year. Totally, how much money they get. I get that, but more so than the USGA. Because the masters doesn't have a stated mission of, you know, it's the club running it versus the USGA,

PGA, GAA, GAA, B and ship, RNA, like that stuff is, is supposed to be for the betterment of the game of golf. But I also, which to Augustus credit, they do do a lot of stuff. They put their money where their mouth was. Yeah, and I also think they, like their obligation is not to divvy up, I don't think, I mean, I don't think their obligation is to divvy up the amount of money that they're making and give as much to the players as possibly possible. I agree.

I don't know if like obligation is too strong or is, is to put out like a comparable purse to the rest of professional golf. And I would assume as the players purse goes up to 20 million dollars or whatever it is now is like I'm sure Augusta will look at that and say, all right, cool. Yeah, we got more money. Of course, we can we pay you guys more so it's more comparable with with the other, you know, other places in golf.

I don't know about the PGA and the. That's the interesting thing about the players open. It's like what they're using like, you know, using that to really drive home and at some point, it seems like it gets so far out of whack with the rest of the regular tour events. That it becomes kind of just kind of a weird black sheep almost. I think they're gonna keep going. I think they're gonna keep 25.

Dude, it sounds like Paparez was mentioning in that interview that it was, I think the FedEx Cup was gonna go to 52 million, like the winner was gonna get 52 million dollars within the next five years. Which considered the source, of course. But even that, I think the crazy thing about the tour is they kind of fucked over Moracawa and he's still riding for them. With the P pit stuff. Yeah, like figure out how to Jerry Mander the formula

so that it reports. Call him or a call. Yeah, the most exciting young star who also won a major. Yeah, yeah, I agree. What were full, I didn't get into to Perez's comments this week. What did he say? Something about he wanted something like 250 K just for showing up for show like that. Yeah, he was pissed that basically pissed that there's cuts or you know, pissed that guys that have tour cards you know can show up every week and not make any money.

He was referencing, you know, Buddy of his who made like 60 grand one year and ended up losing 90 grand, you know, net net as far as expenses and everything go. And I think that would be an interesting question to ask Max Hema. Does Max played out there, played a few seasons and didn't make shit out there and lost money,

hand over fist? Max, how do you feel about that? Is there, do you have to have some skin in the game or do you think once you get your tour car that you should just be guaranteed? You know 50 to you know 50 K a week 250 K a week whatever it is. I Know that yeah Pat said I don't know what Phil's doing. I know for how's a lot of stress in his life right now And I don't know what he's doing Which I thought I thought that was an interesting little comment of like I know he's got a lot of stress in his life

Which is like yeah, man, it's what of bummed me out about a lot of this stuff and the players getting, basically like the players getting what they want is, I don't know, I think it too into like the behavioral stuff, but like it's not gonna stop. Like they're not gonna hit a point where it's like, okay, cool, now we're happy. Yeah, like it's just gonna keep going

and they're gonna say like, well, okay, well last time you gave us this. So now, what about this over here? Well, now we want this. Well, now we want this. It's like these, it's just at some point, it would be, and this is kind of, I think the point that everybody was getting to with like the fills and bricens and dustens of the world is like, well, we're gonna, we're gonna leave. We're gonna leave. If you're not, if you don't give us this, we're gonna leave, it's like cool man, like smell ya. Adios, we're good. And that's what, how I think that's gonna be the next thing

with these purse conversations is like, dude, give the tour, again, we're riding for the tour a lot, but the TV deal has gone up by what? $700 million? $300, $400 to $700 million on average. An extra $300 million a year, which is probably gonna be graduated, which is probably gonna, you know what I mean? Yeah, a little double, a little double, a little bit of400 to $700 million on average. An extra $300 million a year, which is probably gonna be graduated, which is probably gonna, you know what I mean?

Yeah. It'll double, it'll double in the next couple of years. Like, they're just gonna keep getting bigger and bigger. Like, somebody look around the corner on this stuff, you know? And it's gonna all look, and this is what's gonna infuriate me 18 months from now, is like, the next round of purses, you know, purse increases are gonna come out and it's like,

oh, that was right, this was a total response to the SGL. It's like, dude, this shit's been going on for five years. Yeah. And as like, they've been renegotiating TV deals. Like, this stuff is already in the works, which is- I think it's been accelerated a little bit. Yes, it's been a lot of three years.

Like the PIP stuff. And like, yes, there have been otherance layer stuff, but all these person, not all of them, most of these purse increases were probably gonna happen anyways. Which I think some of Rory's quotes today, where he's like, whenever I leave a meeting with the people who are running the tour, I always can see what they're doing and I feel pretty good about it.

And that's why they're running the tour and Phil's not running the tour. Because Phil might be an idiot. Well, he's just self-interested, right? I think the crazy part is I agree with the players on some of this stuff. The tour is too big. There's too many guys with cards. Agreed. We've talked about the death panel, Ednaz.

Which our phones are always on. Our door is always open to discuss that. Slide in the DMs. We need your fitting advice or you can slide in and talk about the death panel. But I just think that there's less guys to have to mark it. That's more guys that you can truly take care of. But on the flip side, you gotta pay attention to, and they're doing a better job of this now.

It's another thing that they're really improving. Corn fairy tour, like they're investing resources into it. It's the whole infrastructure, right? It all feeds itself, you know? And it's, yeah, I mean, gosh, just marrying a bunch of things about like not having enough protection out there and whatnot, like they give JJ Henry, they make a JJ Henry rule, they have these champion, like we talked about this last week, just like funneling the money to the champion's tour for like a balloon for your career, like there

are so much shit that they're doing to support an enormous, enormous tour. If I can, if we, if an hour and 40 into this, if we can pause to give Phil a little bit of benefit of the doubt here, I'm guessing he does in certain ways have some points that he is very clearly not communicating very well. Like he probably has some points to be made. Exactly. I would like to hear him spell it all out.

Yes. In a conversation. Yes. And even if it's doing what's right, like when you say that, you sound like a politician and like, I don't believe anything you're saying. Now, if you spell out like a 30 step thing that, you know, says this is where this trend, you wouldn't believe this happen.

You wouldn't believe the things have gone on behind the scenes. Then tell us. Like you're saying all this other stuff, you've got to support it at this point. You're throwing out straight up lies. How do you get to that number? Show me how you get to that number, right? Tell me the story here.

Right. And back to Sinetaker's comments too. Like it's not like we're absolving the USGA or the PGA of America or the RNA from their responsibilities or like, hey, there needs to be more transparency. And like, yeah, I think the USGA and the PGA America waste their shitload of money every year, right?

And I think that's that kind of, but at the end of the day, like part of the deal, part of the reason that these purses are so high on the PGA tour. And the fact that you get bonus from your endorsements based on winning a major or major finishes or it's weighted higher in the world golf ranking because these tournaments are important in the public eye

and they're creating new fans that will end up watching your tour and pouring money into that. Like it's not two different things. You can't be so- Related. Small minded or not small minded. You can't like look at the way- That trickles down, that's what you're saying. You can't be so- Related. Small mind it or not small mind it. You can't like look at like- That trickles down.

Yeah. The trickles around. The trickles up really. You got to see the big picture is what you're getting at. And to the USGAs credit slash blame here, like this was a big issue when they got the new Fox money several years ago, like yo, what is going on? Like the purse didn't go up after they got $100 million

for Fox and it took some time for them to communicate to the players of like, yes, this event funds all of our championships. Like, yo, straight up, like it does. That is how this organization works. Right. Here's what we are tasked to do. Here's our mission statement. You don't get all this money. Like you straight up don't. I will say the USJ has way too much money and reserves. Like that's the one that Phil, if he wants to point that finger at anybody pointed at the USJ, but they're not obligated to pay that money out to players. The same as a guy that's different than PGA to it. But they are, but they should be like they're just not doing anything with it.

Just sitting there, supposedly for legal battles potentially. If there's, that's the theory, right? For equipment stuff, if there's legal battles on any of that. They might need a higher rubber superior. Or all red. So it's a mess. You wanna get in some fun news, maybe?

Anything else to bookmark it? Or another thing? We were just, you brought up Fox, and we hadn't talked about this, but has anybody thought through like the media stuff for the SGL that they're sitting there saying, I knew we forgot something. We forgot who's going to air this? No, meaning like, I don't know.

That seems like the only network that would make sense would be they'd have to have. And they just bailed on, I don't know, just I guess putting the pieces together and it's total conjecture. But getting out of the USGA deal and as this stuff is kind of going on and. I'll just have some interesting golf possibly. There you go. I don't know what their sports offering is like. I have to look into it.

I don't know. We get that question a lot. I have no info, not even a hint as to what that rumor might be. I mean, some again, a lot of this is working off rumors, but it is, it feels extremely well-founded. There's probably a reason why we've talked about it to this extent. I feel very good about every conversation we've had on any of this. We've made it very clear these are a lot of people. Yeah, there's, it's a very, we couldn't have been much more clear of like how

Shady a lot of the conversations around this have been right and it's it's different information every week It the people involved seem to be the most confused with it and like how fast things change this week is pretty Representative of how this whole process has worked and There's there there's so much smoke here. I don't think we're done. I think a lot of people that are maybe dischan jacksing this as we're running across the end zone here. Like there's still some things to get through on this. There's many variants. There's some Delta and Omicron variants coming down the line to this.

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event down in Australia this past week. Played from from we know men's and women's event played from different teas. Thought that was pretty pretty awesome news. You had some tough news on the corn fairy tour. Yeah, pretty good finish coming down the stretch. First of all corn fairy tour, they are doing something this year. Starting this week, they are broadcasting a feed like via Twitter, their socials, of the 72nd hole. If the tournament is not televised, they are, they're going live. And you know, when the leader or the co-leader hits the 72nd hole, regardless of which group that they're in.

So, that's awesome news. Wouldn't it get into a lot of sleep? Because like, in the past, it's been, you know, oh, so and so's, you know, going to a playoff, they're on the fourth playoff hole. Oh, we can't watch it or like they can't even stream it, right? So I think they've carved that out in the car. The worst scenarios have been when they do go live and then they go, they get yelled at clearly like midstream and then they have to cut it off. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, they, so kudos to them. I know Alex Baldwin and Kevin Price and all of them.

That's huge for them. Ben on, won this week down in Sarasota. Michael Gellerman was, believe, tied for the lead going into 72nd hole and he four-putted. To miss the playoff by two dropped to T6. That's tough. So Ben on went, you know, kind of a circuitous career he's had. Yeah, no doubt.

I was a little, I did not know he's playing the cornfer. I didn't get it. Still this week. It's far too trackable these guys, even when it's your living. Yeah, Justin Lauer, our guy bumped down in the cornfer, he tore this week, got top 10. Nice.

You know, he's like, hey, I just need, I need to see the ball go through the hoop, I didn't get into the river airfield and flew across the country and he's primed for Honda, which by the way, Honda, tough, tough field. Oh my God. Bad field.

Bad field. Oh my God. Haves and have not, have not store right now. I mean, River was bad as good as you're going to get field wise and Honda pays the price. Florida swing time, going to Bay Hill after that and then are coming our way to the players and Valspar after that. I think is that order? Do I have that order? That sounds great. That's about right. I'm excited for the players. I'm excited for the players. I'm here. I'm really good.

Oh, it's going to be tension. It's going to be enormous. It's going to be kind of cold and wet here. I'm hoping it gets a little spice. It looks good the next 10 days or so. We'll see. You need that wind to keep blowing. Yeah. One of these years we're going to get I'm hoping it gets a little spice. It looks good the next 10 days or so. We'll see. You get that win to keep blowing. Yeah. One of these years we're going to get proper conditions for the March one. Hawn has gotten kind of a bad draw of it

between the two elevated status events. Which supposedly were five, six years. Well, they had a different spot last year. I saw somebody tweet something about that and they didn't like that either. So they moved back into this spot and they just, they are shafted pretty hard if you ask me but I don't, I don't know what the solution is.

I really don't. Speaking of Honda, one more thing I had on here and not necessarily related but I know it was a big tournament for him. I watched the Tim Roosevelt Fort Memorial Service. Somebody tweeted that out last night and I don't know, it was just really, Rosa Fort Memorial Service. Somebody tweeted that out last night. I don't know, it was just really,

match and alley gave a great talk. Jack Duga from Chinnacock, a few other guys. Just really, really cool outpouring support from people. I don't think I've ever heard so many positive endearing remarks about someone and what an interesting guy he was. So, I gotta watch that. Yeah, it was good.

To wrap that up, the Honda was after the players last year and it was before match playing and that also did not work out well for them. Like straight up, you're gonna pay a price this time of year. What was, so it went RIV and then what, they go RIV and then like, like, like, what day concession? Work day, exactly. This one's for you, work day. Yeah, which, yeah. Now Phil, Riv and then work day. Work day. Exactly. This one's for you, work day.

Yeah. Yeah. Now, Phil, I don't know who it's for anymore. It was going to be this is for you, MBS, but I don't know if that's the case anymore. I mean, you know, that's, that's, we don't know what's going to happen. I don't know if they'll drop them or not, but the way they spend money, man, if you lose a work day, a work day sponsorship, you, you fucked up pretty bad. They're not willing to spend their money.

They were willing to sponsor any of it. The pop, but big news, Harry Higgs has announced that he has pledged his loyalty to the PJ tour as well. And they said nobody asked him to point. He definitely finds for something that they, that they, uh, he had some interesting comments about that. He's like, yeah, we should definitely get fined for that. Like I regretted it immediately.

What do you, what do you think of, what do you think of the tour fighting it like posting the content and finding them seems it seems like that's exactly what they should have done. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we'd have we'd had a problem if they didn't post it. Yeah. And like you take your shirt off to get fine. I don't know. I mean, maybe it Phoenix. It's like it's a one week moratorium. Yeah. I'm gonna get a good slap on the wrist. Yeah. Hey, don't fucking do that. Yeah. What have been good's like it's a one week moratorium. Yeah, I'm gonna get a good slap on the wrist. Hey, don't fucking do that, dude. What have been good?

But that's a dangerous precedent to set that the next guy gets fine. Like, well, wait a second, you slap those guys on the wrist. So I got no problem taking some money out of tour players, pockets that had fun with it and also say, yeah, we should probably be fine. I guess, I think don't know the fines go to charity. Sure.

So I think that's how it works. I think so too. Yeah. So yeah. All right. Fine. Fine. Yeah. Uh, Sally, tell me about the gas barilla. Oh, buddy. We, uh, played it. This is my third year playing the gas barilla for those in our family. We had some, uh, YouTube videos go up from the 2021 one that went much better than this past year did. Um, I've played five rounds previously there.

It is 98 acres. It is a tight, tight, tight piece of property. OB left and I've never hit a ball OB at this golf course. And I hit four balls OB in my two rounds. Watch the video. It sounded like you should have hit some OB last year. That's no, I was blown away right last year. And over compensating.

No, everyone in the comments was like, dude, you gotta stop playing the fade. You gotta hit a draw and I hit like four draws out about. Put the left missing. I put the left miss in play. One of them was a seven iron. I it was a couple learning moments. I had two two moments that this may be masqueraded as excuse, but it's not, it's on me. So I had some noise go off in my backswing with enough time to back off. You need protection.

I needed some protection. I had enough time to think about, like, should I stop my swing, should I stop? And I didn't, and both of those balls went out of bounds, and just left misses that I have never seen before. And I, part of the video last year, I backed off on a shot that I was really uncomfortable on and then I hit a great one

and that was a huge tension release moment and I didn't do that this year, I learned the hard way. I think I was fifth in the field through two rounds with nine birdies. What's he gonna say? You made a lot of birdies. I was throwing the firepower out there.

I alternated between feeling like I shot 63 and like I shot 80, but I shot 71, 76 to miss by three. Unfortunately, but I wish I could channel a better tournament attitude. I wish I could handle it better. I get nervous as heck and I just want to, at times it goes great, and then there are times I just hit shots and tournaments that I would never hit playing with you guys. I just total freakish look up in the balls, nowhere near where I think it should be going

and I just weird shit happens. I hit another dead top just like last year. Shout out to Harold Varner. I did, shout out to Harold Varner. And yeah, I do got to give a shout out to, I know he listened to the podcast, John Gableer, two years ago in this podcast, I called him out and said, yeah, some member told me, the putts don't break as much as you think and I missed everything low. I called him out and he just gave me shit for it for two straight years.

And I read the Greens Great this year. So shout out to Gableer on that one. Do you use a Greens book? They gave you a Greens book for this year. So shout out to Gabe Lerell, that one. Do you use like a Greens book? They gave you a Greens book for this thing. How great is that? The tournament is, it's unfreakent real. They finally got good weather this time around. There was enormous crowd around 18.

I gave them a thrill. I got T.I.O. relief from behind a scoreboard. We don't like it. We don't like that. Shipped up to 25 feet. This was coming off a triple bogey. So I was not that happy. And I rolled in a 25 footer in the crowd with nuts.

You should have intentionally blown it into the grandstates. I pretty much, pretty much did. And it's just, it's really freaking amazing, that you almost get like a tour experience in playing a mid-Amp event, but didn't go great. It's all learning less. And I was there to try to compete

and I was not focused on the cut line. I can at least say that, and I think that may have worked against me, but I did for the day one drive it about as good as I ever have. Just didn't get a lot out of it, but. It's a, it's fun to get the tournament experience, just with a ton of dude,

like I play with the Texas mid-AM champ and Massachusetts mid-AM champ day one, and was the low score out of that group so I just get that. I have a bunch of people text me from Boston saying like, yeah, oh that's always playing with the studios of legend from Old Sanwich. Like these dudes are freaks man like they are so freaking good 10 under one the tournament scoring record. They're freaks man they're so good. Please freak. And it's so fun to get to go up against them and challenge them and it sucks to fail,

but it's, you know, somebody said they're on a failure, they're success or learning moments. So learning about it. How about that? Well, I'll have a brother, learning about it. Dave, how's your week? Loading question. My week was great. We filmed a strapped this week, which always seems to excite people.

So we were not necessarily an undisputed, I'll just say a general location of South Carolina. We were shooting strapped South Carolina this week. So the low country, all the upstaters are going to be blood-haste, which is fine. That's okay. We had a great time, you know, that's all say we'll look for that contents in the coming months. We had a great time we ran into some weather.

I think there were some highs. I think there's some lows. I think people very much enjoy enjoy watching it. Cannot wait and I will give another shout out. I have never gotten more messages after a podcast than I did last week about like, hey, who was that guy you shouted out on Instagram? Who was that swing guy you're talking about? Norton, he is, right?

No, he's talking about the podcast. You know what, with he's Norton trying to get it, oh, Kawa? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Kawa Mora 28, K-A-W-A-M-U-R-A 28. I'm not gonna answer any DMs about it. Please don't reach out.

Please DM them. The more I talk about it, I'm just not gonna answer. Please do. Like as soon as Japan opens their borders, I'm flying, I'm making the pilgrimage to go see him in person. The call, call him Mora Kawa Mora, so I, I think that's it.

I think that's two hours. I hope we have non-Saudi stuff to talk about next week. Just give us a quiet week. I think it would be famous last words if I said it might come this week. Might be, might have something else to talk about next week. I'm hopeful for it. Thanks for your time. We'll see.

Thank you guys for a wonderful Sunday evening. Thank you. Have a good tune in and we'll see you back here next week. Cheers. Let's go home. evening. Thank you. I've won't tune in and we'll see you back here next week. Cheers! Welcome! Give it a big club. Be the right club today! That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most.

Better than most.