No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 525: Honda Recap with Justin Hueber

Episode Date: February 28, 2022

NLU Young Hitter Justin Hueber returns to the pod to break down the action from PGA National as Sepp Straka comes from behind to win for the first time on Tour. We also take a deep dive into the latest drama surrounding the SGL including the fallout from Phil's comments, Greg Norman's letter to Jay Monahan and statements from Bryson, Xander, Jack and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Lang Up Podcast. Sully here, my guy. T.C. is here. Hello, T.C.

Greetings. Welcome in a special guest to the Kill House this evening. Mr. Justin Huber, young hitter, corn fairy tour player. You know him. You love him. You know everything about him. How are you Justin? Happy to be here. Excited for this evening. That's the longest crutch I've ever seen. Justin's fresh off surgery. It's maxed out. Fresh off surgeries. Looking for something to do. I asked if you want to join the pod.

He could not have responded faster than he wanted to be here tonight. So we're going to give a shout out to our friends at Calaway. In the hands of one of the guys at the top towards the top of the leaderboard at the Honda was a Callaway Rogue ST triple diamond LS driver. You know who someone else in this room has a similar driver. I think two people in this room now have a similar driver. Can you teach us about spin robustness? Basically, just means wherever you hit it on the face, it's going to spin similarly to if you hit it out of the sweet spot. And that's a big selling point of the Rogue rogue ST driver from Callaway the early read from tour players and Callaway's reports from fitters all around the world It has the best spin robustness of any driver they've ever used

I just put mine in the bag this week got the triple diamond LS I put a little lighter shaft in it. I'm getting through the zone a little bit faster I was hitting balls next to someone Yesterday and I hit one just a really bad tow blow and he was like, oh, yeah, great ball. I was like, actually, that was a toe hit. The mishits are kind of criminal. That's the spin robustness. That is the robustness right there.

Feels a little bit, it feels a little scuzzy. I'm not gonna lie. It feels like cheating. The things are too good. I haven't really hit it all that much yet, but based on what you guys have been saying about the fairway wood, I can't imagine how good the drive is. I'm still waiting to get my hands on one of those. But as always, you can visit Caligolf.com slash go rogue for more information about the fairway would, I can't, like I can't imagine how good the driver is. I'm still waiting to get my hands on one of those, but as always, you can visit caligolf.com slash go rogue

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and that will help you get in the right one. If not, ask T.C. He'll get you one. Police, I got a couple DMs. I got a lot fewer DMs than I thought I was going to after the ad last week. So hit me up. You can hit them up.

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the corn fairy, I seem to get paired with him a decent amount. He's one of those guys that doesn't blow you away. He doesn't do anything like fancy, but he just continues to hit solid shot after solid shot. And then I saw a stats this week. On the year, he was like 150th in approach to green and 120th off the tee. And this week, he was like a hundred and fiftyth in Approach the green and a hundred and twentyth off the tee and this week he was like fifth off the tee and first Stroke-scan approach and he's always put it well So I think that's kind of the combo of why he's taking on the trophy We be remiss if we didn't give a shout out to Neil who picked sep's trocha for a top 20 this week and it's picked him a lot in the past He hit us with like a yeah, he's been playing really well. I was kind as he man sure and sure enough

He looked it up. He has been played so really really well. I was kind of as he man sure and sure enough you looked it up he has been playing some really really good guys. I just so I got a little bit inside intel too from some buddies I went to UGA with him. I guess you got a twin brother. His twin brother was the highly tired recruit and he he was kind of the tag along true love situation kind of and then sure and sure enough he just beat the shivers brother in college turned into the one but I guess the father moved them when they were like 14 moved him to Valdosta he'd heard rumblings that kinder loop forest was a proper long hard golf course and

sure enough they moved to Valdosta from Vienna Austria which that would that would require decades of therapy for me personally. If you've ever spent time with a little culture show, it's nice, it's a nice place to drive through. Yeah. How I would call it. So, I don't think this is typical for every week of you watch a golf tournament where the guy that wins it just had looked to be in a different gear to everybody else you watch.

It was just like that guy wants to win it. He went out and won it. He went out and got it. There was zero fear. Hit stuffing it back there on the back of 15. He was hitting it quick. He was playing quick. It was just someone like in a true flow state. Not that doesn't always resonate and pop off the screen like it did this week. I was shocked that Lowry was in the final group went bogey free and lost to not

the guy he was playing with. Correct. He played really nice and set just sacked up on, I mean, those final five holes are, say, what you want about them, but like they're not easy and he played them three under and had looks on the others. Like that's just, that's playing golf. That's how you win. I do not like this golf course, but it is no matter what happens at the very end, it's like, ah, something could happen on 15, something could happen on 17.

It didn't really happen in the final groups, but at least it does give you that shot into 15, just take it away. It would take me six tries to get on that green. I have no shot at that shot. It's like the green eggs in a ham. I was reading that to Freddie the other night. The entire book is, I do not like green eggs in a ham.

I do not like green eggs in a ham. The entire tournament, I do not like this golf course. I do not like this golf course. And at the very end, he starts liking green eggs in hell. I do not like green eggs in hell. The entire tournament, I do not like this golf course. I do not like this golf course. And at the very end, you know, he starts liking green eggs in hell. I start liking this golf course. Because the last four holes were so good. I was wondering where you're gonna get the, you flipped out the bottom.

That was really good. I mean, shit, seeing like, seeing Stracca hit those shots down the stretch, especially with the rain. Oh God. That was awesome. I mean, Slogger would have never let those guys play in the rain. Talk to me about what that,

what the rules are in that situation, what you would have done in that situation, Uber. I would have done the same thing Kurt did. I would have stood there until someone told me I needed to hit the shot. Because like, you're sitting there, he's got 215, and he's got to hit probably a five iron at the time, over water, bunkers, to a tight pin, and he has to make eagle to like force a playoff at least and

It's dumping you got water on your golf ball like it's such a water club face. Yeah club face And I'm just like this I would I would wait a there for it as long as possible That's what he did he stood there until finally someone's like no you got to play But and then he steps up and hits like beauty one of the best irons I've seen. Started out right. Drew it in. Drew it in the water. He hit it and I went, oh, and then I'm like, that's coming back.

That was a wet ball. I don't know how that, I mean, we saw it happen with burgers. The burger's 100% wet ball with a three wood. He's setting up over it and I'm like, this is a squirter. He's either going to hit like the low left one or it's going right. Like that's such a hard golf shot to hit. You saw it with Lowry's T-Ball, like a weird, he probably didn't hit it that bad,

but when it's that wet, it's come out weird. But the left doesn't play. He did. But the thing about burger shot is it looks so bad with the tracer and it went in the water by two feet. And like he knows he has to make eagle too. Like it tends already posted. It's not like he's aiming the left of the green.

Respect for burger for sending it. I know a lot of guys would have tried to protect, you know, the money or whatever and hit a much less club at the middle of the green. My rough calculations, if you know, if he hits the middle of the green, two puts, makes birdie versus the bogey costs him about 320 grand, something like that. That's a lot of, that's a lot of both fuel. Exactly. A lot of, that's a lot of both you. Exactly a lot of, and a very, you know, maritime rules are very much inflectuations time in world history.

So I've got to think that was on his mind today. Yeah, I mean, back to like the rules scenario in that, I, I'm just, I am surprised that they didn't pause it. And I mean, there's puddles on the green on the last hole. Like I'm so glad you're here right now. You're keeping TC from getting very egg sheet, egg sheets. I feel like in those scenarios, they always air with like the players

and it looked like it was gonna be over in 15, 20 minutes. I'm just shocked that they didn't say, all right boys, like we're in a positive state of place. And you gotta, you know, you gotta run into, you gotta local news that you're, you're cutting into. You gotta look, you gotta think of local affiliates here. No, it would, it would just switch back to golf channel.

Let's be honest. Yeah. They would have taken it off. Well, that's the thing is like it, for a second, I was like, man, Kiteyama's really making burger and Lowry weight there on 18T, but I was also like, you know what, they're probably pretty thankful for that. They do not want to hit the shot in the downpour. I, I think they waited too. Even after they, they were saying in there, we're trying to figure out if they were

having to play too. Stracca got through that t-shirt at the right time. I'd tell that to my wife we're watching. I was like, he just hit, I mean, he hit 330, carried the bunkers that are like 310 because it was down off the right a little bit off the tee. And then those boys were playing it in a straight downpour with no wind. Thanks. How about those shots on, was it 16 16 those stingers off the T on 16?

Do you hear the nugget of what burgers launch angle was on his three? I'm three three and have to agree. 3.8 degrees. It's insane. It felt like he could be getting a little bit more distance out of these shots. It's kind of at a certain point. It's like when it's not really rolling out that much. I'm kind of curious as to what we're really gaining out of that. But I'm going to guess he knows that. Will you tell us your stepshaka story? You mentioned about the Olympics. Yeah. Was playing as one of his buddies at Q school this past year. And I think he lives over in Birmingham. And he flies back from the Olympics and he gets in it. Whatever it was one in the morning midnight something like late. And the next morning he's

on the tee 731st off playing with his buddies. and they're like, why are you here? And he's, he just loves golf. Love the guy that I played with said he loved it. He loves golf more than anyone he's ever met and he just loves to play, loves to play practices some, but just loves to play golf. Where's he live? I love that. Birmingham. Birmingham. Yeah. Where's he play out over there? Shul Creek, I believe, is where a lot of those guys, I think, I don't know if they're all members there, but I think that's kind of how the deal works is they give you kind of free membership while you're trying to make it and when you make it, then you pay for your membership,

type deal. But I think they have some other courses they play, but show Creek seems to be the main spot. First Austrian to win on the PGA tour. How about that? How about it? It's pretty sweet. I did not know that till they said that afterwards.

He's coming through with his Diet Coke, celebrating the... Was that a Diet Coke or a course light? Eight. I did not know that until they said that afterwards. He's coming through with this Diet Coke celebrating. Was that a Diet Coke or of course, like, eight, I looked closely, it was Diet Coke. Okay, I was like, I already got a course. I would have loved it. I thought that it was gonna be what I saw. Kind of a bad look for Red Bull, right? Especially in they got Schwab, in the,

he was T7 this week too. You must, I mean, there are people that drink diet coke religiously, like they have to have it in their hands a lot. He had that in his hands quickly after that round. That is not a, I would assume that is not a rare thing that he does. I doubt that was his first one. Yeah. There's probably one of the breakfast.

This was like the manipulator championship. It was. Tell us what that means. Just, you know, you're long, long been on record is saying that, you know, there's a lot of OWGR manipulation. So feel like you're long, long been on record is saying that, you know, there's a lot of OWGR manipulation. I feel like you're kind of coming to European tour. I'm kind of giving you a little nugget here and there. Kiteyama, Noren, Schwab.

Gosh, who else was in the mix this week? Peter Uline was playing well. You know, just a lot of, a lot of would be manipulators. So I wanted to see what you had to say about that. Well, a lot of these guys have gotten like Kitty Homma now, right? Like you line, they've all gotten to the tour through cornfairy. Like, you know, it's one thing to like, you know, get way up in the world rankings and get WGC invites through winning events without world without they're getting the WG or WG are

boost points. To Kumi Kenaya, things have done. Exactly. If you go get your stuff through the core fairy finals, I got nothing but respect for that. I kiddy Thomas spent a lot of time playing over there in your life. If you're not, if you had a choice, you were playing family aside, putting that, would you play the DP World Tour or would you play the Corn Fairy Tour? You play the DP World Tour.

Yeah. That's your fastest route to the big money event. You see the guys coming out of the Corn Fairy and you saw some play this week. I think actually all of them in the category got in, but it was like close other than that. Like last week, all the events are kind of getting short fields and whatnot.

And you just don't see these guys like Lauer played Lauer played the Corm迟, event last week. Yeah. And they were, if you looked, I'd, on the commitment sheet, guys that had tour status, there was like 30 that were playing in Sarasota last week, because none of them got in. And it's like, I get it. But if you could go to Europe and get in WGC events, which, that's what I'm saying. You were, it's the. I don't fault the guys for doing it. I just think it should be brought attention.

You should close the loophole. That's what you're saying. Yes. Close the loophole. It's the route to go if you want to get there quicker in terms of like it takes a lot for a guy coming off the cornferer tour to get in a WGC and these small field events. Like you a will's allotorous. Like that's a freak scenario where he's playing the majors.

But other than that, like it's, I mean, Steve and Yeager had an incredible year last year on the Cornfairy. And I mean, he won't sniff the WGCs based on World Ranking and all that stuff. It's like, it's crazy. I think the other thing too is like, it's got to teach you at a younger age how to be a pro, right?

Like you go off on your own, you got a lot less support staff, you got a lot less equipment trucks, all that stuff. You got just less support all the way around. You got to go figure it out. You're playing probably a wider variety of golf courses. It feels like Latin America, like how I went down there and it's like, that taught me how to be a professional golfer. Like you had to maintain,

to make the entire time. The untappable the entire time. I was essentially not all the time, but uncomfortable most of the time, being in places I've never been, don't speak the language. These guys in Europe are playing, not just like in Europe, you're playing.

It's the magical camera. I don't understand. I literally don't understand how they do it and get around every week with different languages, different places. I don't know how it works. I've never played an event, but I can't imagine it's easy. And kudos to the guys that play really well over there and Justin Harding.

I mean, he's blitzed over there on what he is in the world, but he's got to be up there and essentially has played main lane Europe for the last few years. And he comes over and plays the WC's players and majors like good on him. I, oh yeah, I jumped ship to the PJ tours fast. I could, but some of those guys stick it out and they just keep going impressive. Can we get back to Berger for a little bit here? Five shot lead going into the final round. Is there like, is there any way I know you've never had a five shot lead on the PGA tour going in the final round,

but like, is there any way to not approach the round like, oh, I hope I don't screw this up? This golf course has to be one of the hardest. It's like, golly, like just let me just let me make some early parts, like have some looks. And like, first couple of holes he hit, hit some nice shots. And then three kind of got ugly in that iron shot. Like it just, it started a snowball and you can kind of see it. Like then you start getting a little bit more conservative on your approach shots. And he did, he'd hit it to 15, 20 feet instead of,

and Lowry still like throwing darts on four and eight. I mean, he's kind of putting the pedal down and burgers like, whoa, let's kind of see. Can we back up that third hole though because he's in the middle the fairway 150, 160 yards, whatever left pin and he hits it way left and plugs it in the bunker. It is an inexcusable shot for a professional. I mean, Lowry's all day was fat side of the green, fat side of the green, fat side of the green, burger with a five shot lead. What the hell is he doing there? And I feel like all week he's played these little cuts. Like not five.

Yeah. And then he goes, so left pins are hard. Well, yeah, but even on one, he's got wind off the left and he plays a little fade in there with that left pin. And then so he gets on that one and it's like, maybe just because it's end of the wind,

he wanted to try to fly it down, but like, godly, hit your little fade, hit it 30 feet short right, make your five and get out of there. Like the only thing you can't do is plug it in the left bunker or like bring six, maybe seven into play. And I think that just kind of put a new saw it with his putting.

Then he's like, he was just inconsistent. Six inches of. Yeah, it was, it was 29 inches of putts going into the six or 17th hole. And when it makes 29 inches was the law. Yeah, yeah, 14. That would be sick. But yeah, like it's just, he he got it looked like he got a little conservative and he wasn't making anything to make up for

it. And you, you're not going to make birdies out there in it to 25. Can we talk about the putting routine? Please. How is that legal? It's got to go. It's got to be fixed like tomorrow. Four minutes on 15, I think. Yeah. Not good. It's and for those that don't know we're talking about he gets his caddy behind him that lines it. Like he lines up the label stands over like he's getting ready to hit it. Caddy says good or bad. Then he backs off and pulls the coin out, which makes it legal. You're not allowed to line up players anymore. But if you back off the shot, all of a sudden get reed back in the stance. It's legal. And I don't know how they don't close

that loop. Close the loop. Close that one. He also does it before he puts the ball down. I don't if you know what I said, he has his ball mark down and he gets over it with his caddy behind him. While his caddy's reading the putt, he's kind of like feeling in his feet and then he puts the ball down and his caddy comes back in like it's a it's he does everything else pretty quick. So he does get away with it that way. When he gets in the stance, he hits it quickly. I'll give him that, but it's, that's and like touch and iron shots like he's quick. Like, maybe that makes it up for it,

but it is, it's not that fun to watch. That's for sure. Can we air out stewards as well? I mean, I don't know if you guys saw that. We can, but I can ask you, you have one question here. If you're in contention in a tournament, can you tell us, I've long said,

and I'm hoping for some validation here that like, there's an art internament golf to playing slow in the right way. Can you tell us, I've long said, and I'm hoping for some validation here, that there's an art internment golf to playing slow in the right way. Can you explain what that means? 100% like you don't want to get to the next hole and stand there and wait. Yeah. You'd much rather walk slow, take your time,

like an extra five, 10 seconds, like once you start moving quickly, like that's when you make bad decisions. And if you can slow play your way on the whole and not have to wait on the next T to where you get up and like you're staying rhythm that's that's the key and especially this place like if you if you get moving fast on those last few holes and then you got to go stand on 15 T for eight minutes and watch some guy play ping pong up there like no like you'd much rather slow down on the green or whatever it is just so you can kind of keep moving when you get to the next hole.

A lot of similar note what do you do when you're paired with somebody that's glacial? Like are you are you trying to go somewhere else in your mind while they're playing or you're trying to keep yourself preoccupied on the greens? Yeah it's it's a tricky one. I mean I played out of turn sometimes to kind of like not send a message, but kind of just like hey I'm just gonna go and then they're kind of like whoa and but you can just then tell them like hey if you're gonna take a while Like I'm gonna go ahead and go and I'm gonna walk up the side like you do whatever you got to do and then there's the other times where It's so bad to where you place low to kind of essentially get yourself bring the officials in and be like,

Hey, like speed it up. And I don't know. It's a it's a it's a tricky one because every time those slow players Once they get put on the clock, they speed up. Yeah, like immediately and you're like, why why can't you do this the whole time? It's shocking as soon as that official comes over They turn into normal golfer until the official is gone and then it's back the way it is and it's Why can't you do this the whole time? It's shocking as soon as that official comes over, they turn into normal golfer until the official is gone and then it's back the way it is. And it's it's just something you deal with. You think at this point was shot link and with all the wearable technology and all that, you would think that there's something to be done at this point. It just just volunteers running shot link and And it's, I don't know to trust it or not. No, but even, but even just, you know, like with,

I mean, shit, like all the NFL teams have sensors on all their players during practice. They can see how fast they're moving and how, you know, how long they are in one place, all that stuff. Get Amazon on that, I'm sure they would, they'd be tracking it. Oh, the official cloud services provider, the PGA tour.

The thing is, is like, and I hate to say it, but it doesn't matter. Like, slow play is going to be around, like, even if 80% of the guys speed up, you have a small golf course and you're trying to fit everyone in. And it's just the traffic problem. Physically, doesn't make sense unless everyone moves at the same speed. And then you have a situation like Aaron Rye yesterday on 15. Which is a disgrace.

But like, his options were terrible. And he's trying to figure out what to do. And if he hits it off the rock and it goes back in, then he has to go back in the bunker as it is and take another penalty. So he's just like trying to figure it out. And there's just, and he's slow anyway, too. Yeah, all it takes is one of those. And then it's a backup. So you

have a course like this where there's a 200 and however many 300 golf balls in the water of this week, like, that just takes so long. And it's, it's really difficult for everybody to speed up and like actually improve pace of play. Because it doesn't take much. Do they have more officials on site at this event? Just because there's so many rulings. I would imagine so. That would make a lot of sense. It's a, I saw actually several of the corn fairy officials.

I don't know if it's just because corn fairy is off, but Rico was the guy on 15 helping out here in Rye. I saw one of the other ones, but it's just, I just don't know if they can actually do anything to truly combat it. I totally get that. And I think, you know, at some point, it comes down to field sizes.

We need the death penalty or the death panel, all that stuff. We can get it on that in a separate pod. But I will say. I just would love to see the phase of of a first time listener driving in their car Death penalty what is he talking about? But I will say we can't ease up on like just because it's not just because we're not gonna solve it Doesn't mean that it's not a disgrace and then we shouldn't out these guys for sure

I definitely need to be a scarlet letter. It needs to be improved. I just don't know If you're the improvements going to be three minutes around or something like that Unfortunately, like the reality is it's just takes a long time to play in these golf courses keep getting harder in terms of All that stuff But the guys that take two minutes to hit a shot like the bride and steered clip this week That was that I guess it kind of hurt me because I'm like, he's dealing with something. He's got some demons, like he can't pull it back. He almost led the field in Stroke's game to approach.

I'll think on the weekend. He was top 10 in Stroke's game to approach. That's insane. That's wild. He did not lead in Stroke's game per waggle. As a fellow waggler, I could see what he's struggling with. You have a waggle budget though that you're working with.

It's never more than those waggles, maybe one more Mac. And that means I'm gonna top it. Question from Zee Waj Tawi, I have no idea how to read that username. Thoughts on Burger asking a rules official to go back several holes and see if a penalty should have been given to Chris Kirk.

I don't know if you guys saw that from Saturday or Friday. I did not. So Kirk made a, was getting ready to make a swing and, you know, he's ready. He's making the swing, but on his back swing, he hits a tree limb and stops and then like reevaluates his swing and then hits. Was it, like, was that tree in play on his, in his back swing. So like he hit he's not a practice swing, but he's like a real swing. He's getting ready to make his real swing, but he stops after he hits it. And I don't know exactly the sequence of the ruling, but I guess Berger asked the rules

official just I think yeah, the way I understood is he he asked rules to just hey, can you guys like go back and look at this to make sure the announcer made it sound like to make sure that he doesn't sign his card and then they go back and review and be like, hey, that's a two-stroke penalty. Like, he took a, I mean, he took full speed backswing and whacked the pine tree branch and fortunately, nothing fell off. Somehow, nothing fell off, but like they ruled that it didn't improve his path or something. So, so if even one leaf falls off of that, could it be argued that he improved? I think you could. I think it's interpretation, but I think that potentially could. I had it

having to be in college one time. Got my three would stuck in the V of the tree branch, and I'm I don't know if he's listening. My buddy is on the team brand of the hackers on the next hole over, and I stopped because it gets stuck and I look up at him and he's just watching me and we start laughing and I get it unstuck and I'm like I got to go like I have to hit the ball otherwise it's a penalty. So then I take a little three quarter downswing and dribble it up like 30 feet in front of me and we are dying laughing. It was one of the funniest like instances in all of college but like it's like if you knock it off like it's either penalty or you better keep going and I chose to keep going. It was, it was tough. But some people are getting on burger kind of making them, making them out to be a snitch.

But in that regard, I think that he's looking out for the player more so than anything else. Even so, like, even so, like, even if you can't, not a snitch, but like, if the dude knocks a branch off, like, and doesn't say anything, not saying not saying protected that, but like, you can't, you can't do that. So I think he was in his right to ask it to be looked at and say, Hey, like, that's different than calling a penalty on exactly. And it wasn't like, you knocked it off, go back and look at the tape. But I don't know. I think he's, I think you did the right thing. Yeah. It always, it never looks good when you go that route, but at the same time, it's the right thing to do. From at Haustead Honda, do big players stay away

because they hate the course, Nicholas keep making adjustments, but it keeps getting more and more weird. It certainly never became the marquee event he'd anticipated. I think they stay away because the, you know, a course fit for a lot of guys, be the spot of the schedule sucks. It's totally schedule thing. Yeah. I mean, you're between WGC elevated event, elevated event players. It's just it's a it was after the players last year.

And they didn't want that spot. And then now it's moved back to here. And it's not a good spot. But I mean, field field wasn't horrible, horrible. No, it was pretty bad. It's bad. They used to get the top European guys over. That was a draw. You come over, you play this, and then you play Bay Hill and players or WGC players. That's why the field used to be stacked. It was Rory, Tiger, like this was a big event. Big time. Now you sandwiched between Riviera, and now that that's a small field elevated person.

I don't even know if it's points, but like elevated status for Riv and then you got these next ones. It's a next week's a sweepstakes between Puerto Rico, Kenya, and then you got pay hill off to the side of the side of anything else from from Honda that you want to get to before we get into some of the drama from the week. I think we can probably save some of the other stuff. We can get it on.

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Was there a boost? I didn't really have boost down here. That's more in the big cities. Almost anywhere you go, the big cities cash app is enormous. You're going to bold bean. Bold bean today and then they've got it at round bird as well. I don't know round bird. Oh South African spot. Excellent. All right. Phil Mikkelsen released a statement this week. How do you guys want to do it? Phil Alford. You want to talk about, you want to go like line by line here, you want to talk about overall his week. Well, what's the best?

I think the best way to do it is read, read the apology line by line that was, there was announced basically in lock stuff with the players meeting. Literally, as the players meeting starting starts, Phil Beckleson released this statement, which it is, I originally called it an apology. I don't think it is an apology. I don't think there was an I'm sorry in there. It if there is, it's directed towards the Saudi Arabian friends and the visionaries that live golf, but I think we're going to, I'll try to read as much as I can, I think we're going to have a lot of pauses in this. Phil, Mikkelson statement, although it doesn't look this way, God, great way to start a letter by the way, although it doesn't look this way, God, great way to start a

letter, by the way, although it doesn't look this way now, given my recent comments, my action throughout this process have always been with the best interest of golf, my peers, sponsors, and fans. So, Ralph Bat makes himself out to be the hero. Trying to grow the game. Beautiful. There, there is the problem of off-record comments being shared out of context and without my consent, but the bigger issue is that I used words, I sincerely regret that do not reflect my true feelings or intentions. So boom, right into blaming the journalist for what he considered to be off the record, even though Alan Chibnik has, you know, laid, has claimed very loudly and proudly that this was never established that would be off the record. We talked about this last week when you want to make comments off the record to a journalist

that you're calling. You say, can we talk about this off the record and you come to an agreement before you reach that, but he still goes to that in his statement, which I operate the opposite way. If anybody calls me with anything, I operate. It's understood to be off the record and you, unless you tell me specifically and explicitly that it's on the record. Nice way to handle business. and unless you tell me specifically and explicitly that it's on the record. Nice way to handle business.

So he's, first of all, he says, I sincerely regret it. Do you not reflect my true feelings or intentions? That one kind of a little bit overlooked here because it's like, wait, so you're saying you are down with the Saudis because it sounded like you weren't in your original statements to Alan, huh?

It's Iki from the get-go and you can keep reading, but it's just, there's just nothing sincere about any of this. It was reckless, I offended people, and I am deeply sorry for my choice of words. I'm beyond disappointed and will make every effort to self-reflect and learn from this. Honestly, probably the best line of the whole thing.

The only one that's kind of like, we're not gonna be able to make fun of. Next paragraph, golf desperately needs change, and real change is always preceded by disruption. I've always known that criticism would come with exploring anything new. I don't disagree with any of that. But you're talking about... The reason I... You and I are talking about this.

We're talking about two different ways the golf needs to change, though. He is desperately trying to get more money. It's all this is. This is a hundred percent money grab and there's no other way to spend it. That's, it would be one thing if he went, if this was not Saudi Arabia, Goph League and this was like, pick a country that has like great relations and the money's coming from something that is honorable. Then this may have some merit, but there it is so far from that that it boils down to, it is only money.

It honestly, as someone who, we're not journalists here, but I was going to say, as a journalist, talking about this, I kind of want more of a challenge of like where my loyalty is with lie here. It's too easy to not like this out of the Arabian league. Like, you're exactly right. If it was just a rival league starting up, if it was the Fuji, it would be of such a different conversation. There's so much merit to the idea of, yeah, like a whole like restructuring team wise and entertainment wise could be really, really, really good for not only the top players, but also golf fans.

Like, I'm down to have that conversation. I have no faith that that's what this league is. Well, and then knowing too that he, you know, he leaked the stuff to the New York Post late last week as well with the, you know, the the proposals with silver lake and a r a manual from endeavor. Oh, that stuff where like those, those didn't even get any like it didn't even pick up any steam Those ideas look terrible and like the the good part of those ideas It seems like the PJ tours already running with and gonna steal and he's for the wrong. Yeah, it made it He played dumb is and like these guys came up with this great new idea I took it to the tour and they shot it down immediately as kind of like yeah, dude. It's probably a bad idea like you can't

Look in desperate and not only that like goes out of his way to shit on her. The guy that's on the board, the lawyer that's on the board of the tour and is a big time member to Gusta. Like, I'm sure that's not gonna go to Wilfermicklson and Augusta either. Nothing is going to go well for him. I mean, he is so freaking alienated now. What?

And we're gonna get to that. There's a lot to do here. I've always known the criticism would come with anything new. I still chose to put myself at the forefront of this to inspire change, taking the hits publicly to do the work behind the scenes. And that, what a hero. That feels like he was so brilliant.

He did raise his hand from the start of this, whether it was PGL or SGL or whatever, he said, hey, I'll take the human shield here. I'll take, you know, I'll be the bad guy or whatever. You guys collect your checks, but he wanted more money for doing. I'm sure he got ownership stake in this. Probably wanted more of the ownership value in SGL as well.

It wasn't just like, let me get my 100 million. It was like, can I get my 100 million? I'm speculating, but yeah. And 25% of the whole business model. But the hubris of like, I know people, this is going to take criticism, not to look at it, but like, why are people criticizing this? Like not pausing for one second to be like, you know, all these idiots out here are going to be criticizing, but I'll take it.

Like, maybe listen to some of the criticism here, maybe listen to some of the issues that people are having here because we are going to get into this. I have a lot to say about this. Phil Mickelson, you make between $2 and $5 million annually pretty much on the PGA tour. And off the course, you make what, $40, $50 million a year? Right, $40 to $50 million. Okay, so yeah, maybe you're looking at this PGA tour thing and saying like, hey, I should be making a lot, look how much, look how marketable I am off the course.

I should be making a lot, look how much, look how marketable I am off the course. I should be making more on it. Blah, blah, blah. What the enormous mistake that he made was he didn't bet the two to five million, he gets an up GGA tour. He bet the 40 million by getting in bed with a bunch of in his own words, scary mother frunkers. How did that work out for him? I just don't understand how he can say that.

Like even if it's off the record. Yeah. If supposedly, like, if you are betting all of your future on this, I don't care if you think it, you'd never say it. Not to a journalist. No, like, yeah. The guys that you're dealing with probably have your phone bugged

and probably, you know what that means? So it's like, that's the craziest part to me. And the fact that he, like, you know, judging from, I guess I've heard from people like some family stuff, like one of his kids, it's like, yo, like this hits home really fucking hard, man. Exactly. It's shocking to say the least that a guy that has been

so calculated, what seems to be his whole career, would this would be the bridge of the so much money evaporating just in a in such a short time like I mean probably if you look at his his you know post 50-year-old earnings we're talking about probably half a billion dollars conservatively that just went up and smoke yeah and we're going to get to the sequence of events here of partners dropping and whatnot. But just in case we're not after the best start with the statement, let me just make sure we get the praise in here, okay, for our friends over in Saudi Arabia because my experience live golf investments has been very positive.

I apologize for anything I said that was taken out of context, which I would love to just pause for a second of what part of those are scary mother fuckers I don't want the leaders to succeed. I'm just using them for leverage. What what was the context there explain that part? Okay, because you didn't do that The specific people I have worked with are visionaries and have only been supportive more important Fortunately, they passionately love golf and share my drive to make the game better. They have a clear plan to create an updated and positive experience for everyone including players, sponsors, networks, and fans. Not women though. Not women.

48 players. That's all that he gets. Well, sorry, I don't know if you saw a couple months back, but Greg Norman said they women are eating in restaurants now. So it sounds like that, yeah, everything is solved over yet. It's moving. It's progressive. I have incredible partners and these relationships mean so much more to me than a contract. Many have been my most influential mentors and I consider to be lifelong friends. The last thing I would ever want to do is compromise them or their business in any way.

And I've given them the option to pause or end the relationship as I understand it might be necessary given the circumstances. I believe in these people and companies and will always be here for them with or without a contract. I just love getting out in front of like, yeah, these people are going to drop me. Like I, I, I, I gave, it's my choice. The concept is, I'm wearing a shirt. Shout out to Todd Lewis.

Just the, oh God, it's, it god, it's just the best, man. It's, you know, I, it's the smartest, again, Alan made this point too, of like, he just always has to be the smartest man in the room, like, that's the whole thing of like explaining it out loud to Alan, like, I gotta show him how smart I am. He's gotta do it here too, of like, no, I'm ahead of them, like, I know I would,

I knew I would maybe get dropped for this. Like, no, you were not planning on this, this was not part of the bet. A question I would have for him is like, did you think that all these companies were gonna follow you over there? Like, I don't know how much money they're gonna pay you. It's a lot, but like, there is a price to be paid

for that on the other end, no. That's what I don't understand. It's like everyone that was in talks assumed that they were gonna have their sponsorship deals over there and like You think I don't know Dustin Johnson is not a lot of where the RBC logo and when he plays the Saudi international Yeah, that's tip of like that's an example of how it's gonna go

They're gonna have a jersey with the Saudi Whatever sponsors on it like all of those like there's gonna be Ten companies whatever and they're all gonna have probably the same ones It's not like it's gonna be what you get freedom on the PGA tour. It's gonna be like I that's I just don't know how they got so far down this road without like thinking of these things. I think the thing there was some You know blowback today or people saying well like why you know Why are these companies disassociating based on just these comments? I don't, hey, I don't think it's just based

on these comments. It's about like the way that everything went down and like, you can't just straight up stage a coup and then there's no consequences. I have a strong opinion on this. And, you know, and I can't remember who it was. It was Lawrence Donigan or Corey or somebody that was saying, like, hey, like KPMG has corporate offices in Saudi Arabia.

Correct. And it's like, all right, like, that's great. But like, the whole reason you're endorsers is to help facilitate relationships and, you know, work on behalf of the company to improve the image and everything like that. And like, this did the opposite of that. Right. It's all image-based. That's what it is.

Yes. Like, you're not doing really anything for the company, you're just bearing their image and like representing them. And if you do a bad job of that, they have every right to, Yes, it originated things. That's why P doesn't have great sponsorships anymore. Well, you can talk about that. But it is not, KPMG did not drop Phil

because he's doing business with Saudi Arabia. Like that's the, when these companies sign up to sponsor Phil, you get, and I cannot emphasize this enough, like Phil was, and it probably still is like the best at all of this. You are signing up for, if you're paying in millions of dollars, you are signing up for the Phil Meckleson that plays the PGA tour, the Phil Meckleson that goes to the programs, gets paired with the top bill people at every one of them he knows them by name before they get there he knows what club they belong to I've what witness this like oh John you remember at marido aren't you like I've spent some time down there like he will ask you more

questions about your business then you can ask him about his he will make that person feel like the most important person in the world the first time I ever met Phil he was like oh you're yeah you're a partner at KPMG, right? And I was like, no. First of all, but how do you even know that I used to work there? Like, holy shit, it's insanely impressive. And you are getting the guy,

you put your name on his hat, and you are getting the guy that is smiling on television, is getting the thumbs up. All the people are cheering for it. A full shot. You are, that's what you are signing up to get. And you get that and he delivers for you every year. Calloway has been with him since 2004.

KPMG's been with him for how long from the bearing point and all those days, like they get what they wanted out of it for this many years. This works for you, work day. Yes, this was no longer for you, work day. So, but I mean, like it goes above and beyond even when he doesn't have to. Probably the best brand ambassador for return on investment.

Compared to what these other guys that wear a logo for nothing, and just to wear the logo, he is the face of it. You associate these companies with him because he does all of that perfectly and to go down this road is. Well, he's had some bumps in the past,

but I admitted to this in the past several weeks, like similar to the hot crazy scale. Like, you know, the thing from how I met your mother is like, you can date a girl, but she's got to be as hot as she is crazy, basically, as the joke. He is like, as entertaining as he is crazy. And as long as he provided the entertainment

and he has for so long, you can kind of get away with kind of looking the other way on a lot of things that have been extremely public. Like, these companies stuck with him through FBI investigations inside of trading. Freakin' accounting and consultants company sticking by him after like SEC malfeasance. Like, that's a fucking big deal, right? And it was. And it just got to a point where it was no longer. And again,

we talked about this last week, because like I we've heard some rumors that some companies are going to be jumping ship. And once one does, it probably the almost all of them do. And. Well, and the value that the deal was predicated upon is no longer there. The value is diminished. So even if let's say Callie signs them back on in 18 months or whatever, it'll probably be at a lesser rate, right? He's not getting premium anymore. Yeah. Because this is the best tarnished thing,

at least for a while. It's just, which is like a spectacular fall. I hate cancel culture, like to the max. Like they just probably might, one of my biggest pet peeves is someone getting canceled for something that probably everyone at that company has done or something like that.

But this one actually feels proper. I'm just upset that everyone else that was 100% go doesn't get ousted in this. Yeah. I don't even think it's being canceled, right? It's just like, yo, like we're not gonna be like, you can still be around like, we're just not gonna associate ourselves with you.

It's exactly, it's still a thing. And I mean the way it's going to work is if you go there you are not going to play the PJ tour. But like all these guys that we're going to do it that have now pledged back to the PJ tour. Those guys need to get got that's what I'm saying. Like that like Mikkelson took the fall for all this but like those guys got to get something because now whoever else it is, like they're gonna keep all their endorsements. And all that's gonna get brushed under the rug. It's like, pull to her, herald varner.

Like you guys get the fuck out. I mean, I'm legitimately, Bryson and DJ, like, yeah. It's, I don't know about Zander, like his statement was weird when it's changed. But, so can I don't know about Xander like his statement was weird kind of strange, but So can I mean cancel culture is a a phrase I hear a lot that has become to all encompassing if you ask me because a lot of it I view as just consequences for your actions it becomes a safe thing to throw up anytime somebody has

something endorsers drop them whatever and there's you know are there instances where like people are over like companies and brands are overly sensitive and trying to be too PC maybe? But in my front, this is like, this is the consequences of your action. You're not getting canceled, like these are the consequences of what you've said and done. You made a, you hired lawyers to draft up a league

funded by the Saudi Arabian public investment fund as a breakaway league after being explicitly told by the PGA tour that you will be banned if you do this. That's the bet you made. That's not getting canceled, I would say. No, yeah. I just, I wish everyone else it was 100% and would get the similar treatment. But it's like these guys are playing the PGA tour and recruiting players to not join an alternate league, but to join a league that essentially demolishes the PGA tour. That's where the issue is here for me. It's like, and recruiting them during the PGA tour events.

This is not just like a, we're gonna, we're gonna go play another tour while the PGA co-exist. This is a direct attack on the PGA tour that would essentially ruin the PGA tour for the rest of time. Like if you got the top 48 players in the world, the PGA tour doesn't exist. That model doesn't exist. And they were doing that while playing the PGA tour. That's, I don't know, I keep going, but like if baseball or NBA, whatever, the top guys while playing the season are recruiting guys to be like, hey, like, let's not go play in Europe. Let's go build our own league that essentially did, malish is the league we're in. That would never fly.

Right. I don't know. I think that's the other distinction here too, is it's not like this league's gonna be in Saudi Arabia. This league's gonna be here. Yeah. They won't even have a US mini tour. The PGA tour won't even run a US based mini tour because they don't want to compete in their markets,

let alone have another tour come in and overtake it on US soil. Like it's just, and people was saying like the PGA tours bullying and like not letting players do it. It's like, uh, he, they can go. They're just not gonna play our tour. That is 100%. I find by me. Like that makes perfect sense.

And I just don't understand people that are on the other side of that saying that the PGAours shouldn't ban these players. It's like, that's their whole business model, right? And that's where I get, I'm still super confused on the legal ease by me because so many side, we'll get into that because we'll talk about Monahan said, what Norman said, etc. Phil continues, I've made a lot of mistakes in my life and many have been shared with the public. My intent was never to hurt anyone.

I'm so sorry to the people that I have negatively impacted. Again, I think this is directed towards the Saudis. This has always been about supporting the players in the game and I appreciate all the people who have given me the benefit of the doubt. Pretty close to growing the game in there, but he avoid growing the game. Despite my belief that some changes have already been made

with the overall discourse, I know I need to be accountable. Just couldn't resist throwing that in there. Like, yeah, they're already changing things, the things I'm saying. For the past 31 years, I've lived a very public life and I have strived to live up to my own expectations, be the role model fans deserve and be someone that inspires them, inspires others. I've worked to compete at the highest level, be available to media, represent my sponsors with integrity, engage with volunteers and sign every autograph for my incredible fans. I've experienced many successful and rewarding moments that I will always cherish, but I've often failed myself and others too. In the past 10 years, I've felt the pressure and stress slowly affected me at a deeper level. That's the only real line in this whole thing. And that's where it signals that there could be a hell of a lot more. Correct.

Coming down the pipe. Whether in these books or with his marriage or whatever, you don't want to speculate, but just that this is the tip of the iceberg. Yeah, this is, I feel like a small blip on what his life is look like for the past 10 years and whatnot. I'm going to be a lot more context going out. And we probably not, and look, 10 years doesn whatnot. And there's gonna be a lot more context going on. And we probably not, 10 years doesn't line up perfectly with Amy getting a breast cancer diagnosis,

which I think is 13 years ago. But I have heard it said that that is like what changed this guy. Like he was never the same once that was the case. So I know I've not been my best and desperately needs some time away to prioritize the ones I love most and work on being the man I want to be. Sounds a little fishy, like it could be a suspension. Truly don't know.

It sounds like the tour people were a little surprised by the statement and I don't think, I don't know if he is suspended. I don't think he, I don't think he can. I know, I don't know if this would fall under like conduct, unbecoming, I'm a professional. Like I think like drafting the breakaway league and hiring lawyers, that's, I can see that. It almost hits every single element of conduct on become, but it's like, yeah, I get, I get that part.

Just like normally you see those things is like on course things or serious run-ins with the law type things. You don't see that as in like, this is, I mean, this has never happened before. So that's why I'm. You don't see that as in like this is I mean this is never happened before So that's why I don't know if the tour would suspend on those grounds being That it wasn't something That they've normally done. It has it has happened

This one? Jack necklace Each one. Which we can get. I We can get a jack on that one. Oh you can get a whole podcast about it. You got to go back and listen to that one Couple questions we got on this so Spencer V on R have you not commented anything on fill and Callie because Callie told you not to We have emphasized many many many many times that is not how this show works. That is not how anything works Or is that how Callie? No, they have never told us one single thing to say or not to say that's just they trust us to Speak independently

That's that they they understand why we have the listenership that we do and they do not try to control anything that we say And I can confidently confidently say our relationship with them is not caused us to say Anything positively or negatively about any point although they'll probably bring the hammer down on me for shitting on Brian Stewart Yes, that was where they're gonna draw the line. Cause he's the ball of the ball over there. Ben Gulse, 904 as fellow Callaway athletes. Are you guys happy they have paused, emphasized on the doctor, evil air quotes,

their relationship with Phil and will he be playing at Augusta? I mean, really, you hate to see this happen to one of your colleagues and your peers. Correct, right? You know, in the stable with us. I have, I truly have no opinion on like as a fellow Kelly staffer, I can't even say that loud.

I don't have an opinion on that. I completely understand where they're coming from and doing this. It's on fill for putting them in this spot more than anything. It also makes sense too. Like it doesn't sound like it's gonna be playing a whole lot of golf with or without a suspension

upcoming so. So the back half of that question, will he be playing at Augusta? Oh, really? No. Do you think he defies at Southern Hills? I don't think he's missing the masters. I would, I don't know, pure speculation. I don't know if the masters allow him. Which would be, do you think they bring Billy Payne back?

I just are hero. I did not live up to our expectations. They may, but I wouldn't be surprised. A place like Augusta doesn't want that, like, on their grounds, in terms of like the media, the tension that that's going to be, that's the event he comes back in, that overshadows the masters like Tiger in 2010 though. Different. Worse. But on a global scale way worse. But this is like, that wasn't golf related. That's worse, I would say. You know what I mean?

But for the masters, like, the masters golf wise competing with, I would say 100% of master's viewers knew about Tiger Woods, the whole thing coming into April 2010. We talked about this a little bit last week of like casual fans, like they have no fucking clue. I think 75% at least of the people that were tuned to watch the masters do not know this is going on the fill. I think maybe maybe. Maybe.

Yeah, who knows. masters do not know this is going on the film. I think maybe maybe. Maybe. Yeah, who knows. I think this is not, I would, this man is a shoman. He's not afraid to face the music on any of this. He will hold a press conference, I'm sure, and like take all the questions. He should, if he does go, but I do not see him calmering away from the masters unless he's suspended and like, or is truly seeking help of some kind that we don't know of,

I think he'll be at the masters. He might be calling 1-800-9 with it. I'm going to go, I'm going to go no on Augusta and I'm going to say he doesn't play until the PGA championship. I think he'll be- You think he comes back for PGA championship? I think if he comes back this year,

that's what it plays. Two defend. I don't, yeah, I don't think he comes, he PJ G. I think if he comes back this year, that's what plays to defend. I don't, yeah, I don't think he comes. He can't come to players. That I don't. He will not show up. It's a terrible course for him. So he's won there.

I know, but he won't show up. I mean, like, like, I am winning does. I'm winning at Sawgrass is like him winning the British open. Like, never would have thought that those two things were possible. But again, he's the king of entertainment. Like, there's like a little clip of him, like hitting one obese. I want to hold back. How did I win here? again, he's the king of entertainment. Like there's like a little clip of him like hitting one obese one whole back. How did I win here? He's the, yeah, I just, I don't see it.

I don't see it. I miss fun. Yeah. He was always, he was shot and Freud from a lot of the players. And people that have been around the game for a long time. I mean, I know at least like personally for me,

I've been willing to look the other way and almost laugh about a lot of the things related to Phil because it's, some of it is funny, some of it's not. It's outrageous. It's outrageous, it's entertaining. And like I said, he's always delivered for us on the entertainment front. It's always made the game richer.

And but this is not, this is not typical Phil. Like if he'd always been like this, it would have been harder to root form his old career. Well, that's the thing about him coming back, definitely for players, but even for the masters of it kind of counteracts that statement of like, hey, I need to take some time.

Yeah. And it makes it seem like total bullshit. Yeah, that's way too soon, that's the case. I think, like I said it last week, I think the best punishment that they could possibly levied if he wants to come back, resume playing on the PGA tour would be, they need to make him play every event. Every event on the PGA tour would be they need to make him play every event every event on the champion's tour plus like John Deere classic Reno every officer.

Anderson. My memory. Porter, you know, all that shit, man, like make him earn it. He was Steve Miller, 22 is David Wallace going to have to work weekends because he lost his business business caddy That was a good tweet. I like that Mike Wilbon your boy Yes, yeah, I'm way he just like one of the front page things was this clip of Wilbons and he thought he thought the apology was both sincere and necessary There's not even apology Never does he say sorry? Did we?

The second paragraph he apologizes to the South. Okay, yeah, to the people that he's heard or whatever it was. Or the third paragraph. My experience to live golf investments has been very positive. I apologize for anything I said. It was take only that as politics for taking out a context, not for what he said. Maybe he was just saying Greg Normans is scary motherfucker.

You could. You know, not necessarily MBS and all that stuff. He was hiding replies on Twitter, which you had to let us know, because we're, I'm blocked on Twitter. Somebody, yes, somebody, somebody, somebody, somebody's reading me off to that. I can hear how I got blocked. He blocked Randy too.

Oh, Randall. I, I, I'm, I'm actually very proud of how I ended up getting blocked, which was he was, if you said anything in his direction, you got blocked. And so during this, no, during, couple weeks ago, so when he was, if you said anything in his direction, you got blocked. And so during this, no, during a couple of weeks ago, so when he was starting really melting down, I didn't get blocked for the record. And I know. Mo Shocking news of the year. So I took a screen. He's been in the cauldron with me during that lefty challenge. I took a screenshot of him at the top of his swing in the 2006 US Open at Wingfoot.

And I captioned it, fill two seconds seconds after reading your tweet and two seconds after reading that tweet, he blocked. Which I am, I get I wear that would probably that was, uh, that was deserved. Anything else on Phil? It sucks. I think the other guys just like, they need to get got like it can't just be Phil like Poulter, Bryson, you know. But they played it way smarter. Like they hid behind Phil, and I'm with you.

But like, they're smarter in this scenario. Phil is, Phil is just like called for the cavalry charge and like, you know, they got tanks on the other side, man. Like this is not this kind of war. Phil did not have the horses in the back. Did not. Did not. You know, like, and then, you know,

Pulter and Bubba are doing this icon series thing up at Liberty National at some celebs event. It's going against the Canadian Open and the BMW Charity Pro Am, which is a tour sanctioned event on the Cornferrey Tour with celebs involved. And it's like, how would you give them a release for this? I don't know how all the inner workings work,

like in terms of how they can do that, but my guess is they get away with it saying that it's a charity foundation thing and then they can do whatever they want, type deal with it, but. Well, isn't that supposed to be PGA Tour of End in such a charity that? Yeah, but like that's more celebrity golf.

No, we don't. And we certainly don't need more golf at Liberty National. Maybe that maybe I don't know. Um, we'll, we'll circle back on some more some, some zander and stuff like that. But in a players meeting on Tuesday, Jay Monahan, Re-infocies that players will be banned. Uh, when, when asked what would happen if a player signed up with the Saudis, Monahan pointed towards the door, according to several players.

Uh, Monahan told the Associated Press on Wednesday Monahan pointed towards the door, according to several players. Monahan told the Associated Press on Wednesday said, I told the players we're moving on and anyone on the fence needs to make a decision. All this talk about the league and about money has been distracting to our players, our partners, and most importantly, our fans were focused on legacy, not leverage. Most importantly, our fans. Yeah, well, first of all, right. It's mostly the sponsors, but he makes a good point here of like,

yo, like all of this, like what we are tasked to do, you are making it really hard to do because you are teasing with going to another league. Like we are trying to bring in money for you. Like here is how you're whining about the money that we're paying out, you're whining incorrectly about the amounts that are being paid out and how all of this works.

And not only that, now you're undermining our ability to get money in through the door. Like, and it sounds like there were all sorts of questions, you know, talking to my many sources, there are all sorts of questions about financial transparency and, you know, where the money is, right? And so it seems like that's still at the top of everyone's mind on tour. Everyone's mine, Untwire. Yeah, I just, I don't understand that being a player like, I mean, yeah, you want to make more money, but like they are giving you the opportunity to play whatever you want. If you're a top player in the world, you get to play events half of your events. You play or not half, but like a good portion or cut free and guaranteed cash,

like lots of cash, not only that, but like you have an unprecedented pension with the tour. Like they have so much money and what do they want to nustra a million dollars to the winner? Like I just don't understand the, and like obviously all the Saudi stuff was pure money. Like it's just a money grab. But like how much is enough? At what point is it like guys you if you play for 20 years you'll have $200 million when you are done and you can walk away at 50 you can walk away at 48 you walk away at 44. You can walk away at 48. You can walk away at 44 if you're pretty cool. Yeah.

Well, that's like that's I just don't understand like where why they need to see all the numbers. Like you're providing a place for us to play. We're not contracted by the PGA tour. We they could if the PGA tour doesn't exist, we don't have a place to play. That's a deal. Like what do Like, it just seems like everyone's ungrateful for what the PGA tours are. And you can say whatever you want about the PGA tour, but they're providing an avenue for people to play the best golf courses and for a ton of money every week.

I'll raise my hand and say, I'll push back on the golf courses. Well, especially after this week. Yeah, but when I push back on, I do think, I do think the best players have a legitimate leg to stand on in that, you know, like the top 20 guys of a legitimate leg to stand on and that they're bringing in 80% of the revenues and I don't doubt that, but they're also bringing in a ton of money off the golf course. And like what's an extra million dollars to them in a purse?

But I think the difference with the Saudis is though, like we're not talking about an extra million dollars or two million dollars. We're talking about an extra three or four million to the winner and an extra, you know, for sure. 300 grand to the last. The Saudi money was outrageous.

Like if you finished dead last and all 14 events or whatever it was, you were gonna make $5 million. Yeah. Dead last, I think it was just a million. I think around that. I don't think you're making five mill. Cause the last place was. I was sorry, I think that was with like your,

your guarantee of your de player contract. Like if you were a de player and you Finish dead last you made like $5.3 million or something like that Which to your point the way they're acting and the way they're it feels trying to pretend like this is just leverage Like you're not it's not comparable like you're not you're not able to leverage What you maybe think you're able to leverage in this one and it's built on this premise again what you maybe think you're able to leverage in this one. And it's built on this premise, again, the all these straight up lies

that Phil has been telling. Like I hear people saying now that the tour is sitting on $800 million in a reserve fund, and it's just not accurate. Like he's the only one that said that number, and now that becomes the truth, and now it gets circulated, and then if you go back and listen to our podcast,

we did on the 1983 break away, like how this shit works with tour players that only hang out with each other is they share all their grievances and it feels like the most important grievance in the world of like, yeah, where is that? Like where's the money? Cause TV deal went up 300 million.

Like why aren't our persons going up 300 million? Yeah, why is that? But let's go to the public and get this out there. Like not reading the room at all about how any of this works and they, I don't think it either hasn't been presented very well by the tour or that's probably that's really part of the problem over the last 10 years like the tours like really really bad at communicating. I can see that like or they're or they're presenting it or the information is available and the tour players aren't actually

seeking it out. It can definitely see that as well. Exactly. They're not meeting in the middle. Yeah. Like it needs to it may need to be talked about a little more, but like, 98% of the guys don't care. What needs to happen on tour though, is like the class, I wanna see the class warfare. I wanna see, where the take is. I wanna see Ram and Rory and Moorakawa going after Peter Monotti and the Shlong and guys like that. The Justin Juber.

Exactly, Exactly. Let's be honest about what the issue is here, you know? It's, I don't think honestly the PGA tour owes it to the players to really show all the financials. Like I just don't. Like it's not, yes, the players are what brings the tour and money, but the tour is doing so much stuff that these guys show up on Wednesday and they play their program, they play their tournament, they make their $400,000 to they finish third and then they go home and they're not and doing anything for the infrastructure. They're not doing anything for any of that.

And it's like, at what point are you not just grateful? And it's easy probably for me to say because I'm not playing for a million dollars every week and have 40 million in the bank, but like at what point is it not enough? Like I just don't know. That's the part that like I think about it's like, at what point did these guys not just like look

in the mirror and be like, you you know what I got it really good. That is where I meant to say with Phil as well. It is one of two things with Phil and it cannot be anything else. He is either obnoxiously greedy or he's broke. It's one of those two things. I think it could be both. Yes. I truly think it's a combo of both from what I've heard, whatever and how he has been recently, whatever. But like I think that in broke can be cash poor. It can be a lot of things. Yeah, like a cash flow issue. Yeah. But when you're selling planes that you love, that's something that you need. Something like healthy financial position. I think talking about leverage, like filled, obviously misread it as far as from a leverage

perspective, like you don't have leverage as a 50 or 51 year old dude. You have leverage if you're calling Mark Hawa and you're 25. It's average if you're if you're John Romney number one player in the world. That's why I don't understand like the guys that we're going to go like that's why it's a money grab. It's not a change the way the PGA tour works. These guys aren't coming back to the PGA tour. These guys are on their way out.

Over half of my thinker outside of the top 100 in the world that were have been rumored to go. It's like, these guys are grabbing their cash and they're done with their career. Like, this is not a, I'm gonna go play for the Saudis for 10 years. This is a, I'm gonna go play for three or four, whatever my contract is.

It's a contract plan. Peace in. Yeah, but like that's even for the, even for the top guys. Like in, in Phil's comments of like he doesn't expect it to, he hopes it fails or whatever it was. He's banking on the fact that he does it for three or four years, makes his cash and it's done and he doesn't want to play the PJ tour or champions tour anymore. He's like, I'm done. Like that's all it is. And And anybody that sees it for leverage or making change on the PGA tour is blinded. Like, that's the only reason these guys do it. That's what I'm struggling a little bit too,

is, A, Phil has to be thinking, he went from all this earning, and now there had to have been a check change hands hands there had to have been a transaction ahead of time with Phil if he was floating lawyers and writing up these drafts and all this stuff like and there's probably money that he owes them now on the back end which that's that's crazy. It backs your point about you know tour players not getting it like one of the other big hot button issues it sounded like this week, according to the dinner app report, was guys like, you know, being concerned about the Netflix series.

And it, it, it, like, all right, what's it going to show? Do we have editorial control? You know, I may have said this a couple of weeks ago, da da da da, and it's basically now the tour trying to swage their concerns of, hey, you know what, we've got this, we're not going to make you look bad, that sort of thing. And, you know, they're not the most engaged, most strategic, forward thinking group of individuals, the players that is.

Yes, agreed. They're at all, everyone's out for their own brand, which again, like you kind of have to do it that way. You're an independent contractor and like, I get that. You're not. Yes. And there's some dumb agents out there too. It's not baseball where you're bringing in

a hundred million guaranteed contract, like no matter what getting paid. Like you have to, you gotta perform. You have to perform, but you also have to do like, be the right type of person so you can make your 100 million off the golf course.

Gotta be a little psycho. Yeah, like you have to, you need to not drop the letter, you need good people in your life to like steer you to be like, listen, the PGA tour doesn't owe you a thing. It's not like something else where you're gonna make this money no matter what, like, do your job, be good at it and be respectful. And then whenever you want to be done, be done. The PJ tour doesn't owe you a thing unless you're drew love. And then

you get 20 starts or chase kept. Also just worth noting, we said this last week, but I do not get the sense that the Saudi Gulf League is dead. A lot of people were dancing on the grave last week. We were one of the few people back in the fall, like waving our arms, like, look over here, like shit is still happening. The messaging I've received from several people is that this thing is not over,

and that they're not gonna go running hide and put that $3 billion back under the door, like, someone's getting that money. Someone's going to do this. And guess what? They're they're going to they're more flush now than they were six months ago because the price of oil. And they got a free 100 mil from fill or whatever it was that they're not going to end up paying out of Bryson, whatever. It's just like it's going to happen. People are going to go and just like, it's gonna happen. People are gonna go and... Co-Craft still doesn't say,

or he's way in. He has golf Saudi, a legit golf bag. Like him and Johnny Vegas. Like, they're, I mean, it'd be hard not to go, but at the same time, then they pretty much said that. Co-Crafts.

At what point do you wake up with your $50 million that you got from the Saudis and look yourself in the mirror and go? Maybe I shouldn't have done this like I can't go play on the PJ to yeah, I can go play at the course with my buddies, but like And and grant maybe some of them are like that. I was gonna say I think there's some guys that legitimately But it's the same don't give a shit. I just at sucks. I haven't say it like that sucks for them that that's like where they're at sucks, I haven't say it, like that sucks for them, that that's like where they're okay with taking their money from.

Like I just, I had the conversation the other day, hey, I got on Twitter, I haven't tweeted in two years since the pandemic, and I still like have it when I get an email that says like, no, I'm not going to tweet this or whatever. So I got on it and I was looking, and some guy replied to me like, Hubert, you wouldn't take, you're telling me

you wouldn't take a million dollars you go play in the Saudi league, and I'm like, I mean, it's easy for me to say, but no, like when I know what that million dollars came from and I'm staring at my wife and kids going, hey, I just took a dirty million dollars so we can go buy a bigger house. Like personally, I love yourself.

Yeah, have you heard of other, like, other corn fairy tour guys that have gotten approached. Because that's kind of the back end of like how you talked about it last week. How they're going to fill out this 48 man field right. It's not going to be 48 at the top 100. It's going to be 48. It's going to be 20 at the top 100 maybe. And then that's interesting.

I would be shocked if it wasn't. And then 28 guys that come from Corn Ferry Tour or or dude, perfect tour or Latin America. Let's be like first off, how much would they have to pay for it to matter for a guy on the Corn Ferry Tour? Yeah, you're basically saying, all right, you know, you're giving up your future here in the States. I can't imagine and I could be wrong,

I can't imagine there's many guys on the Corn Fairy tour that have dreamed about playing on a PJ tour their whole life that are going to throw it away for a few million dollars. I just can't. And it's not like the Saudis are going to pay me 20 million. Like, they're not going to steep we crop. Come on down. They're not going to pay a Corn Fairy guy enough money money in my opinion to like yeah, it may change your life for

Five years. Yeah, you could invest it do whatever but like That's not the carrot that we've all been after you're a professional golfer You've been to get to the top of your after playing in the masters and winning the US open and playing the writer cup like that's I would be shocked if you went around and asked guys, especially corn fairy level, like, why are you doing this? It's clearly not the money because you're not making enough to like life change yourself, but whatever.

But like, it's to play the PGA tour. So if they approach guys, I would be shocked if anyone throws it away unless you're 45 years old still tracing it. He might be suspended because he didn't mention the FedEx cup. He didn't mention the president's cup. He didn't mention the players.

Can I ask you, TC, because I'm actually, I don't know where I would stand on this. Would you feel, again, going back to this being pretty easy when it comes to the top players in the game? It's straight up greed. Like it's just, if you're Dustin Johnson feel, again, going back to this being pretty easy when it comes to the top players in the game. It's straight up greed. It's just, if you're Dustin Johnson and you've made $70 million, and you're going to go take 100 more, whatever to go play for a murderous regime, all that human rights abuse, all

that stuff, that's just, it's very easy for me to point at that and be like, I hate that. That sucks for me as a golf fan. But when it comes to like, Cormferry guys or like Latin I hate that. Like that sucks for me as a golf fan. But like when it comes to like, corn furry guys or like Latin guys or many tour guys that are trying to make a living in the game, would you approach that differently? It's the same conversation being had with the ladies European tour right now, right? I mean, there, you know, it's essentially,

hey, do we take this money? However, Ogotten or, you know, however much we dislike the source of it and use it to improve our game and our tour or do we say no? And it seems like the resounding answer on that front thus far has been take the money, right? And then with ladies of European tour

having the Saadi series, or the Ramco series. The Oramco series. So yeah, I think it's definitely, that's why it's complicated. That's where it gets complicated. I think it's easiest at the top, so just be like,

but also like, it's super easy for us to say, 70, you know, you've made $70 million and you've made it like Dustin Johnson, you know, $70 million on course probably, right? So probably worth, we'll say $100 million. Another $100 million is a shitload of money. Like that's just as life changing for him to be able to, like that ensures that he can fly his G550 around the world

for the rest of his life and not have to ever worry about it again. Like, and it's all relative. It's like, is that a necessity for most people know, right? But it's still like, we're still, let's not downplay that just because you have $70 million doesn't mean that $100 million is a lot of money. For sure, but definitely where I draw for me as a golf fan, like I don't root for Dustin Johnson's bank account.

Totally. So I'm very good with how much money he's made. Well, that's why it's so laughable for, for Phil to bring it back to this is for the health of the game and, and the fans. Fuck you, man. Yeah. It has, and no point, like,

does this make fan viewership better? Like, and I thought about this. I don't know how you guys feel, but if you gave me the NBA All-Star game 14 times a year, I watched the first, or the second half of the first one, and I'm done.

Like, if you want like, it's the, it's the end of the GCs. But like in, in a worse fashion, where it's like, guys don't care, add near as much because they're still getting like even more money than the, like at some point the money tarnishes everything over there. And it's just like, I'm showing up,

I'm getting hammered the night before, I don't care, I'm just gonna go make my money and be done. Like it's not an actual, you don't see the guy, Kurt Kittiyama at the end, like trying to win a golf tournament, Sep Strocka ending up winning the golf tournament. And like that meaning more than whatever. Like it's not an opinion good for a fan.

See, I'd argue that's part of the appeal though, is. Really? Well, I think the, and we haven't talked about the premier golf league, which is on a completely different pace. It would have seemed that this Saudi golf league is on our timeline, I should say. And I think a 48 person league that worked in conjunction

with the PGA tour, with teams, teams of four, a whole bunch of roster moves, I think that has a ton of potential. I really do. There's so many good ideas floating around out there. It's just a matter of who you trust to implement these ideas, right? And I don't really trust the tour to do it.

I certainly don't trust the Saudis to give a shit about entertainment product and Greg Norman and all that. But I do think there's a place for, not some half baked, half quarter implemented, bullshit three event series that the tour is gonna do in the fall. I think legitimately the 48 to 72 players on teams, relegation,

all that shit, sign me up for it. I think it's good. There is a, I'm the entertainment surrounding it would be interesting watching the action to me would not be. And I'm a golf watcher. I think that it would, I don't think it would be very interesting because I don't think people would care enough that we're playing in it.

And personally, but I think back real quick, if the Saudis were gonna invest $3 billion in this, how in the world did they not go to the top five agency firms? And maybe they did, but like, I'd say, here's a billion dollars or top three firms. Here's a billion dollars. Here's a billion dollars. Get your top guys. Spread it out. That's kind of how it's worked allegedly recently. Yeah. Maybe now. That's how it gets like. Yeah. But like how did they not do that from the get go say we have literally endless cash. We want the best players what's the dollar amount? Instead of getting bubble

Watson and Jason co-crack like what? How do you not? If you want it to succeed and you have that money, you go to the top couple agents and say, we want all your guys. What's the price? If we're willing to pay it, like what is it? And that's how you that's what I've heard that it's now like all right for You guys are gonna get you get 16 spots and not only that you get to run for the events you guys get 12 spots You get to run three of the like so there going around there again I we can't qualify this enough like shit legit changes week by week Yeah, like the schedule that we've originally rolled out has changed since then. And the people that are involved obviously have changed. I mean, it was going to be all like

Michelson to Shambon DJ and they fire Michelson and now Bryson and DJ put up the next day. They're committed. Nobody's fired Michelson. I would say I don't think he is out yet. He may not have. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if they fired him, but I I don't see a world where he goes to the Saudi. I don't either. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if they fired him, but I. I don't see a world where he goes to the Saudi. I don't either, but he did not come out and say I'm not playing the Saudi colleague. I would at this point, I don't think he would take that stance because the PGA tour

stance is like, Phil, you're probably done for at least a little while. At this point, wouldn't it make sense for Phil to just lean into it now, but I don't think he can. After what? I don't know, you know, personally, I don't know if the Saudis would be okay with being like, yeah, here's the face of our tour. The guy that said all this about it. Now they couldn't, though, but like they couldn't care less. I don't think about it. Like, all right, we'll get another guy. We'll pay him. Like, Phil,

you burned the bridge. I don't know if that's the case, but like, I would be shocked if it wasn't. I can't imagine going to work for someone after I said that about them and they're like, come on. I'm on the verge of life. Again, I think after Billy Walters gets done with Phil, like he's going to be in, he's not going to have a whole lot of options. When's that happening? I think I'll at least a year.

Okay. I think mid year to end of this year. Kind of excited for that. Can we get to the shark's letter, which we haven't gotten to yet? Surely you just. Dear commissioner Monahan, surely you just. And surely your lawyers, the PJ tour must be holding their breath. As has been widely reported, you have threatened the players on the PJ tour, all of whom are

independent contractors, correct, independent contractors, with lifetime bands if they decide to play golf in a league sponsored by anyone other than the tour. For decades, I have fought for the rights of players to enjoy a career in which they are rewarded fully and properly for their efforts. They are one and a million athletes yet for decades, the tour has put its own financial ambitions ahead of the players. And every player on the tour knows it. The tour is the players tour, not your administration's tour.

Why do you call the Crown Jewel and all tournaments outside the major, the players tour, not your administration's tour. Why do you call the crown jewel and alternates outside the major, the players championship, and not the administration's championship? This is so dumb. That's such a bad line. I read that another guy. I can't believe that. That's like a third grade dig.

Like, oh, your mom. Your mom. Like, oh, no, your mom. Like what? The administration, that's a bad one. That's crazy to see Greg, you know, taken up arms with labor after firing his captain. He's an owner operator.

You know, he's, you know, fired his captain. You see that on Instagram? I didn't get it. Captain Quit didn't want to work. Oh, that's right. For his job. Couldn't read the pages. So tough scene.

But when you try to bluff and intimidate players by bullying and threatening them, you are guilty of going too far Being unfair and you are likely in violation of the law Simply put, you can't ban players from playing golf players have the right and the freedom to play where we like I know for a fact that many PJ players were and are still interested in playing for a new league in addition to playing for the tour What is wrong with that? Should we pause here for a second? It's everything is wrong with that.

Like literally everything is wrong with that. You don't... Yeah, so you can't undermine... You are a PGA tour member, correct? Yes, or what? What you signed, but like, what, nothing. Okay, but you're a member, when you're a member of the organization,

it is understood that that is your organization that you are playing professional golf for. And if you wanna play other places, you need permission to do so. Oh, for sure. Yes. Even to like, which is another, yeah.

Which is like another thing that could be tweaked is like, even your like, your own rights, your meteorites, like they own that. And I get it because it's their product. Yeah, it sucks if for you wanting to try to build your brand off course and do other things, but like they're the ones paying you to play their events. Like they can tell you, like they're doing the work

to raise the money. Yes, you've done, I've done, with combined everyone's rights. That's yes. And I say I've done nothing, I've done nothing combined everyone's rights. Yes, and I say I've done nothing. I've done nothing. I'd play this work. I've done nothing to get Honda to sign on.

Like, I don't know. I just... Or Shep. Shep, yeah, I've sold a few cars for Shep. Shout out Shep. But yeah, like if you are employed by the tour and they're writing your checks, employed is where the word gets held up though, right?

Because you're a independent contract, right? Because you're dependent contract. Yes. Self-employed. But that is who writes my checks. Yes. And when your check comes through, does it come through from the host organization or does it come through from the PGA tour? Yeah. And like, so they have every right to say, you can't go play Like, so they have every right to say, you can't go play over here. I think the kicker, sorry, the kicker would be back to it not being just another tour that coexist. This is a direct undermine of the PGA tour to try to ruin their product.

You can't endorse that as a PGA tour. So I think Monahan has every right to say if you want to play you can do it You're never going to play on our tour like I and I think that He could say he could tell anyone right now. You can't play our events You could just spend them you could ban them whatever the whole discussion for that. Yeah, like he can do that and that's What we are signing up for we're signing up to play the best tour in the world that's run, and you can say whatever you want about tour for like it.

You can hit pick it, but yeah, it's incredible. The infrastructure to get from week to week, and everyone there volunteers, the whole deal operations. It's insane. It doesn't make sense logistically, all of that. And we show up and we get treated perfect and we play four days

and we can make a million and a half dollars. Like if you have a problem with that and you're gonna go directly against it, my hand could say, yeah, see ya. And I have no issue with that. Michaelson stepped in it the most is, it's one thing to go play the other tour. It's another thing to start with.

To start it and be the, be the genesis of it where instead of being suspended for insurrectly, like you're being, yeah, you're being suspended for like insubordination, insurrection, whatever you want to call it. I just can't fathom trying to do that and thinking it's okay. But legally, that's what I can't figure out. That's what Norman is puffing his chest out. I'm like, legally, you can't call it. I just can't fathom trying to do that and thinking it's okay. But legally, that's what I can't figure out. That's what Norman is puffing his chest out. I'm like, legally, you can't do it. And I'm still so freaking confused as to like,

who is right in this? Because both sides are puffing their chest out legally. And it, like, I just don't think Monahan would sit there and say that if he wasn't extremely confident that he could. That's his only card to play though, right? I just don't like legal it for something that is very careful about their words.

In depositions, he was asked about, can you name the top five players in the LPJ tour? He didn't even try. Cause like legally, you just, in that role, you have to at times just sit there and like take heat for things you can't say, right? And you don't get bonus points for being bold in that job. You are as conservative as you possibly can.

And he has to- That's why I give credits of Mike Juan, because Mike Juan- Yes, he's a mod will do that. But put some stuff out there. I understand what you're saying here. Like he, there's no, I don't think there's any way

Monahan says these things if it's not true. I can see where Norman and Sardis can say stuff if it's true because they don't have a business model that's legit yet. They're trying to punch it up. They're yet. They're trying to punch it up. They're exactly. They're trying to make themselves out to be something that they don't even know what they are.

And Monahan, there's no way he's gonna sit there and say, we can ban you if you do this, if he can't do it. The craziest thing is. Or he'll rewrite the frickin' book before the Saudis get going and rewrite the whatever the regulations. I laws. I think here's the article 2b, like you play this tour. A direct rival league. You're out. Okay. It's crazy the amount of misinformation and dishonesty that live golf is operating with. Yes. Like even amongst the guys that they're trying to recruit.

Yes. I mean, Rory alluded to it just as far as the hearing one thing and this guy's already committed. No, I'm not committed. They're just playing guys off of one another and it seems shady at best. It fair, I do not disagree and that's where like, I think they're best case or they're attempt to make cases that it's anti-competitive from the PGA tour. Which I tend to think it is.

But that's where like, I draw a line on my legal understanding, but if you're asked, if I don't understand anti-com, how that would work, if you're the PGA tour, you can say like, hey, you either play this tour or you don't, and if you don't, you have other options. Like, you can go play the Asian tour, you can go, which, just got $300 million dumped on it. And I think that's the crux, right? Is the fact, are there other options? There are, and I would say there are.

Comparable. Are there other comparable options? I think that's one of the biggest issues that the Saudis will face is that they dumped 300 million into the Asian tour. So, but like they were in with it, supposedly. And you just created a rival tour. Yeah.

And now... There wasn't another option before it. Now there is. Do you single-handedly helped fund a rival tour? I think that option was there, but you can no longer, it's called a little mini tour there with that much money on it. And world ranking points, it's not like, it's a legitimate option.

I mean, you see, so I think the best case would be that like monahan has a seat on the OWGR board, right? And what's his name, the Augusta member, and her, or he has a seat on that board. Yeah, basically the five families have, have seats and the way that, the way that it works, I think is, is it could be, you know, like I think one of the places where the tour fucked up was when they started PGA toward China, there's supposed to be a probationary period of support. Two years.

And they just grandfathered them right in to, you know, hey, like we're gonna, we're gonna award, uh, points immediately and not wait that two years. And so they've, they've exposed themselves on that. I could see that. Continuing on with the letter, what is wrong with allowing players to make their own decisions about where to play and how often to play? What is so wrong with player choice? Why do you feel so threatened that you would resort to such a desperate, unwise,

and unenforceable threat? I mean, I can answer that pretty easily. Yeah, I can. It is. It sounds like Vince McMahon, honestly. It does. I mean, like the answer to that obviously is like, yeah, while our whole value is derived from being able, being able to group all these guys playing rights and media rights together

and sell them to sponsors, like that's it. That's it. One sentence answer. Again, you're getting at the whole thing of of top 40 or 50 guys need to stand up for themselves on the tour in these meetings and call it like it is and say, hey, we're tired of subsidizing. There's too many guys with cards, we're tired of subsidizing 100. Which gives six guys a week. You got to get a horsial credit for that.

They basically did say that. Yeah. There's too many cards and there should only be 100 cards and all that stuff. I think horsial needs to look a little bit harder at which camp he's in. Continuing Normans as I noted a recent article by the former chief lawyer of the Federal Trade Commission that stated, let's be clear, a lifetime ban is never going to happen. PGA Tour Commissioner Jay Monahan is no doubt being advised by high-price lawyers who, if they are worth even a fraction of their lofty rates, have surely advised him of the legal

consequences that will blow up in the PGA Tourours face if it imposes lifetime bands on independent contractors who choose to associate with a competitor. Most notably imposing a lifetime ban on players would trigger a slam dunk antitrust lawsuit by Norman's upstart league. The players are even federal antitrust enforcers who have made it a priority to protect workers' ability to apply their trade to whomever they please without interference from corporate giants. I don't know the legality of all this stuff, but him saying that we have the choice to play wherever we want.

And if like, Monhan's not saying you can't play the other place. He's saying you're more than welcome to. Yeah. Just one of the. You're just not going to play ours. Right. Like that. So, so in that antitrust of wherever players are allowed to apply their trade and wherever they choose, yeah, go, go.

You're just not going to play ours. So it's, I don't understand how that has any weight. And it's not like you can't play these top guys couldn't go play the European I don't understand how that has any weight. And it's not like you can't play these top guys couldn't go play the European tour of the Asian tour base off their world ranking points. Like they would or world rankings. They'd get into anything if they want to. It's like, I just don't, I don't know. It seems almost done here.

Let me get to the final part. Competition in all aspects of life, sport and business is healthy. And the players deserve to be well compensated, which is why so many players have expressed an interest in playing in a new league. But when you threaten to end players careers and when you engage in unfair labor practices with your web of player restrictions,

you demonstrate exactly why players are open minded about joining a league that treats players well, respects them and compensates them according to their true worth. Commissioner, this is just the beginning. It is certainly not the end. Oh, third leg, Greg, you got him. Commissioner, this is just the beginning. It is certainly not the end. Oh, third leg, Greg, you got him. Oh, look, you're doing it.

Yeah, it's hard to, it's just hard to take it very seriously. It doesn't read like a serious note. Exactly. Can I read Zander statement now? At no point have I taken any action or made statements to suggest that I would entertain the SGL as an alternative to the PGA tour. Thus it seemed unnecessary to make a statement until now.

My team has been instructed to do due diligence on this matter. Thus we have met and discussed with representatives of the SGL slash live only to come to the conclusion the SGL isn't close to a finished product or business model. So again, he says, at no point I have had taken any action, but also I've done the due diligence. Where did, like, what precipitated this? This is very much a nobody, Xander. Recent articles containing speculative statements as to where my loyalty's fall now, indeed, require a response. My allegiance to the PGA tour, my belief in positive changes at the verge of being implemented

at the PGA tour, and particularly when it comes to shared intellectual property rights, sides of purses, and overall transparency, never wavered, Sandra Shoffley. While you're injured, if you want to start like a firm that just makes actually good statements for players, you would make a killing right now. No one knows how to do this. No, and it's like, all you have to say is, I'm pledging my allegiance to the PJ tour. And that's where I'm gonna play.

That's it. Like, why do you have to say I've done my due diligence, my team is met with them. Like, just, if you're gonna play the PJ tour, save yourself that and just say, I'm playing the PJ tour. And I always do. That's where like Bryson's was so roundabout. Like at this time, I'm, I get Bryson credit for that actually.

He was pretty up front. Okay, as long as the best players playing PGA tour, that's well been. And then even then ESPN still has it up as a headline on their website. Bryson fully committed or 100% committed. That's not at all what the fucking statement says. He just said wherever the fucking statement says. They were said we're the best. I think to his point, the key part here is like, at no point was this an alternative to the PGA tour.

I think because he's trying to play both sides of like, I'd like to play both if I could if it worked out good. But what? Yeah. So the WGC's in the majors and then play 14 other events. Can we get to Jack now? Oh, Mr. Nicholas said the PGA tours brought millions and millions of dollars to communities.

It's brought great competition, great television. Why would I not support that? Instead, I'm gonna go support for my own benefit. See 40 guys break away from the PGA tour at the whim of an advertising agency in Saudi Arabia. What happens to the other guys? I just don't like it. I don't think it's right.

Which way do you want to go with it? We can go two ways. Let's talk about Jack's vision for Kadea. Of course, he, I assume it's, as everyone is aware, is building a golf course just outside of Riyadh in the Kadea, a private golf community in Saudi Arabia. Also to his point of what happens to the other guys. Jack, you tried to start a breakaway tour in 1983, specifically, like

quite eerily similar. Barbara, what happens to the other guys? Barbara, these guys have the internet. They found it. They can't play in Saudi Arabia. What's got even an ice cream? It's got a milk. So, yeah, Nicholas and statements were pretty rich, but I was expecting nothing less than that. He's building a course over there. It drives me crazy. I didn't, I was a little aware of that. Wow. Oh yeah.

Impressive. And then yeah, he's also building a golf course with JT. I did see that. Panther National. Is that like, hope he sounds stuff like close to where the grove is? I don't know. I don't know what's going on.

You might, T.C. might be. Then Palm Beach Gardens, there's like 12 to 14 new courses going up that are either pretty much completed or or like in the planning phases down in Jupiter, Hope Sound Palm Beach Gardens that whole area. It's gonna be so saturated. Melmond with Discovery Land Coase doing one. You got Hans's work on a couple. There's there's it's crazy how much golf is going up. Is it all like out west? with Discovery Land Co.s doing one, you got Hans' work on a couple. There's crazy how much golf is going up there.

Is it all out west? This is on a parcel, Panther National, Panther Mike National, is on a, which is, what about anything with national in it, that's not, you know, I think Nicholas has to make it national. It just, it has such an air of doucheyness

and thirst to it where it's trying to be something above and beyond what it's you know and and I so I think this one's out west and one of the last remaining partials in Palm Beach course. That's not a fluttering yeah what partials left down there. It doesn't seem like there could be many anyways. Chris Everett throw it was throwing some shots at Greg Norman in a tweet and there's going to be a shark documentary like that same guy that did the last dance. Yeah, hopefully that you know, 30 for 30. Hopefully he, hopefully the shark doesn't get full

editorial control like, like I'm like MJ did. That might be a very, very different documentary. Can we close the book on Saudi for the week? I don't, we got everything out there that we could have. I think my takes are up on that. We have a few more things to get to but anything else we need to discuss there.

No, I think we rocked them. I just, I feel bad for the guys that are gonna do this and ruin their... I don't. I do, just because of like, where they're, just because like, it's just so greedy. It's just, it's like, I feel bad, like I like to see.

I feel sad to see. You pity them. Yeah, I'm just like me and like, you could just play the tour for a few more years, right off in the sunset and have some dignity and like you're going this route. It just, I don't know, personally. It stinks to see some of the names

that got thrown around of like guys that I enjoy and friends with and it's like, don't do that. It just goes back to test the patience and the loyalty of like golf fans. Like test why we actually follow the game. Right. Like does it make sense on an individual basis for you to go take a bunch of money? Like it probably does if you ignore all everything else. But like us sitting here as golf fans, like we're going to call it like it is and that sucks.

So ZJ your boy will be the rider cup captain in Italy as we've known perfect place for him to be. It's going to be a bad rider cup in Italy as we've known for. Perfect place for him to be. Many times. It can be a bad Ryder Cup in Italy, at whatever the course, Marcos Simone, whatever they're having in it. Marcos Simone. Yeah. Just isolate his corniness over there. Are you worried about the Europeans chances over there?

I'm less worried about it now. If I'd like to address the Nikolai Hogard. Oh, that's right. They're in this week. It was a terrible place for him to make this issue. Of course. Awful. Awful place. Yeah. You know, and he's been called a bombing gouger. Has he peaked, though, is the question? No. And you know, you know, Rue McDonald from Scott, he bid on that tweet this week. What are you doing, Rue? Come on. Like, of course,

we're kidding. And Rasmus just withdrew from Puerto Rico, I guess. I don't know what's going on with the Hogards. They need to be playing. Hogards. They need to be playing, you know, John Dier. They need to be playing middle of the summer events. Don't come play Florida with water. Like that ain't play the Lanzo Griffin circuit. OK. The bombing college circuit.

The Justin Uverson. Yeah. I'd be happy to never have to go back to PGA National. I had a last time I played there was a tough, tough scene to end out Q school. I bogeyed my way around the state, whatever they call it. The bear trap. I part of the part three's by start on the back nine the last day of Q school and bogeyed my way around like I don't think I made a double.

I think I just made all bogies and shout like 81 and didn't get my card by a couple shots. It was the most miserable day. The wind blew like 25 and I was like, what, this is literally sucks. It looks dystopian. I think I'd have to be paid to play it. I think I don't think I'd play it for. It's like somebody said on the, somebody said on the broadcast. Like, people always play it.

None of the, none of the guys that live here, ever play here, because it's always jam packed. I'm sure that's the reason why they never play here. And then I just, oh man, it seems like a tough, tough scene. It was. Why don't your favorite events is coming up this Monday as people are probably listening to this? Yeah, the Seminole Pro member. I noticed the new USGA president, Perp, all he's playing with, he's not playing with Bryson. He's playing the same group as Bryson. Maybe they're gonna front-end some. Interesting. Some, you know, rollback stuff. Be interested.

I, Bryson is making his return allegedly to Bay Hill this week. He, I guess, will be playing the seminal pro member first. He had a T-time. We had the scoop on a T-time that he had for Sunday that it didn't end up happening apparently allegedly today, but he was supposed to play with DT today. And we thankfully holstered that because it didn't end up happening, but that was that was something that was supposed to go down today.

I don't know if I was injury related that he wasn't going to play. I don't know where, but he was he's coming back to golf apparently with with some issues going in. He had released a whole video on Instagram. It was super weird of like, I can't follow him. He was like, yeah, the trainer was like making sure to explain like he took a fall over in Saudi Arabia, which is also super weird. And he's also he couldn't follow him. He was like, yeah, the trainer was like making sure to explain like he took a fall over in Saudi Arabia Which is also super weird and he's also he couldn't help himself like what well hitting thousands golf balls probably didn't have

Maybe there's only yacht could have been rice nor clang with the prince So yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing Bryce I hope he's healthy enough to play it sounds like he's kind of pulling a brooksy here and really rushing back to playing but I as much as we make fun of Bryce and I still like watching him play golf. So I'm excited to see what happens. I'm bummed the commish. Rob Manfred can't make it tomorrow to the seminal pro member.

It's busy meetings. It's busy. Yeah. It's got self-intimidating. That'd be a tough one. Schedules a little jammed up. That would be a good scene. It looks like our guy, Zach Zach Blair making his competitive return.

I did see that. Does this eat into some of his? I don't know. His mental starts. I got more world ranking points than Puerto Rico has. Probably young hitter. Brandon Matthews is playing. He's playing some unbelievable golf right now. Amen. Put him out of the country. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good. He's really good in the States too, but that guy can play out of the country somehow. He's got his card pretty much locked up for next year. Pretty close.

Is he the longest? I mean, Bryce. Is Bryce and longer than him? No. He's longer than Bryce and. Well, driving range. Brice and range. I throw this back.

Waterloo open last year. They have a long drive process. Where's the waterloo? Waterloo. last year. They have a long drive. Where's the Waterloo? Waterloo, it's a great event. The course is... Sounds like the Waterbury class. No, it is. It's the Waterbury Open.

There is the course can't be 6,500 yards. Okay. There's five par-fives, drivable fours. Like it's the most fun little muni golf course you can possibly play. They have a long drive contest on whatever the day before the tournament is. And it's on the first hole to par five dog like left. And I sit there and watch them talking to Brandon. And he's like, I was like, you got to do this. He's like, I'll go sign up.

So it goes. And I'm sitting there watching the guys hit first guys like three 30 next guy three 50 whatever. The guy hits one out there like 365 feeling pretty good about himself and Brandon gets up there and I'm like, this is gonna be incredible. Little dog like left and it's like downhill where these guys are probably flying it. He hits his first one and he gets it in play at like 370. Or sorry, sorry, sorry. Mrs. the Faroei on his first one, he hits three shots.

Hits the Faroei on his second one like 370. Well, Faroei find her three. Literally. And then his last one, it's the longest golf ball until I saw Kyle Burke's share, it like, ever hit in my life. And it, it went 404 yards. And I honestly, where it lands, it's uphill.

It had to fly 398. Something like, I'm not, he hit it and I was like, oh my gosh, like, high draw had to go 140 feet in the air And was in the air for like eight seconds and they're like a 440 hours Everyone else like what just happened, but it's a It's a gear. I actually saw both of them later on in the year Berkshire and Matthews and a long drive contest and Berkshire hit 441. I think I may have already said this before,

but it's a different world between like, good to golf long, like Brandon Matthews, and then some guy that does it for a living in suppressive though. Matthews can hold his own. It's a big dude. Yeah. I was up in Scranton with him, and he and his dad and I went and played

a man in which is like the course he grew up on because it's a homemade course. He can drive, basically drive every hole except for the par-fives right there. And it's not long but like he's, you know, into the par-fives like they're not short. And he's hitting Sand wedge. Yeah, I mean it's three. If he wants it, like, one hole that he has to hit pitch and wedge nine iron. It's like a straight up. You know, it's awesome. Like right. You want to get through the rest of your list here at TC. You got a lot. And I was burning this morning. I was, you know, having some luck on all this

thing. We got the cabits. Sit your farms news dropped., Key Thrab, we're going to do one of the courses. And Kyle Frans is going to do the other one. I think Frans is doing, is it Frans or France? France. France. All right. Kyle Frans is doing the Pine Barrens one. It's like the Pine Valley one.

And then the other one's Rolling Oaks. And so I don't know. I'm so stoked to see what they turned that place into. Which is where for the listeners? It is in Brooksville, Florida, Homosassus Springs area. That's where they're doing it. World Woods.

They're redoing World Woods. Yeah. The place is awesome. One of the pieces of property in Florida. Like it feels like you're like in the Texas Hill country. Yeah, or like the Pine Barren ones feels like close to North Carolina, like San Jose type deal. It's very Pine Valley.

Yeah, it's, I always get to play it when it's overseeded in your like time. Yeah, exactly. But it has the bones, if you will, of something that could be really, really awesome. They've got a four-sided driving range. Jesus. It's like the whole thing.

It was this Japanese guy owned it. It's like a couple thousand acres and they're going to build nine courses or something and then they, you know, I think that the Japanese economy hit the skids and everything. Mike Strands worked on the Pine Barrens course. You see his influences on the par-fives and the short fours especially. It's cool. If we got a minute, I can go into the short four, like 16 or 15 and I- The dog like right. Had some dreams go to die there.

It's like the closest thing you'll see to tobacco road. Oh God. It's like playing in a West Lord event. This is after my other surgery. First like real event back, it's like December something. And I'm fine around three days, whatever, and I'm leading. I'm playing with big Mike Fosaki.

I got like a one or two shot lead at this point, who gives it a little drivable hole, and they move the tee up. And it's like a driver from the back tee, and he put me up on this one, I didn't know what to hit. And he goes first, and he hits it in the left bunker. And imagine like fairway up to the left, a middle bunker, and then like waste bunker stuff

to the right, and the green kind of sits down a little valley. And he had like the left bunker, it's got like 50 yards and I was like, well, I'll just filet a driver said hitting three would up there. I filet a driver in the right like sandy area, whatever. And a giant footprint on the side of a hill. And I'm looking at him like, yeah, I think all I gotta do is get it to go like five feet

and it rolls down the hill next to the green. I try to hit it and I literally buried it under the sand. Oh, I've never done this in my life. It was on such a steep slope and I tried to chunk it and I just drilled it like three inches down in the sand. So I had to dig it out, take an employable drop and I'm making like eight or nine. It was, it was so tough. Vesaki goes on to win and I never, I haven't been back since. It was like one of those things that just burned in my memory of like,

don't care if I ever see this place again. It's a long dress. It really was. And it's such a strange setting in place because it's so unfinished and the clubhouse. Yeah. If it gets read on it could be incredible. It's incredible. And is it in the works like this is.

So the guy so Ben Cowan do her Mike Kaiser some consortium investors. It's gonna be Cabot Citrus farm Interesting. Yeah, so I mean it's brilliant as far as getting Canadian You know Canadian citizens down to you know like fly them down to Tampa or Orlando There's plenty of air connectivity between there have a real estate play with it and then I think they're There's tons of land out there too like in terms of he built communities and whatnot. Like it could, it was you could do a hunting and fishing too, because it's not far from the ocean. And there's great hunting in central Florida. It's really cool too. So gosh, what else we got? That wolf. That will. 81 76 this week. Just a terrible course fit.

Really bad course fit. He's still got some big numbers in him. I mean, he's finished in the top five or top six in like the last. He's had some good starts. Some of the last like 10 starts he's made a bunch. Right? Like most of them. He had he was like cruising. This is a thing he played nice and then played nice in Saudi Arabia. You get paid the same in Progol for missing the cup by one as you do missing it. There's an DFL. He seems to have a tendency and I don't fault him for this, but when it goes south early and he's not making anything to grind.

The grind doesn't seem to be. It looks a bit checky outy, which I don't it. There's still like Matt, every had a great point on this too. Like the time he hit me at the 13 or something at Honda, I think, was on number five. I'm gonna keep hitting, like I'm gonna miss the cut, but I'm not gonna go hit a bailout shot.

I'm gonna hit this shot until. I don't know why as well make this experience useful. Yeah, yeah. So like what are some tricks that you play on yourself to keep yourself engaged when you know your, when you know your Trent, like trunk slamming or when you know your, when you know your trunk slamming or when you know you've, you just don't have it. I can take this one if you want.

I'm not great at it, truthfully. Like I think probably just like the mental side of it is been, it's just difficult. And if you can stay in it, when you know you're not gonna make the cut, like kudos to you, but I don't have the energy to waste on grinding personally. Not like I'm just gonna pack it in and hit sloppy shots, but I'm not gonna.

Is there stuff that you're gonna work on that? Like are you gonna trick yourself into, you know what? Maybe we're gonna glean something from this. It may be like a different putting thought. Like I may try a different grip or something like that, but I'm not gonna, you don't really get in my opinion the practice. If you don't have any pressure on it. So once the pressure's gone, it's more so. You're just going to the most. Yeah, in my opinion, it's different for some guys. I know I've talked to some guys that like it doesn't matter if they're going to miss a cut.

They just want to beat one more guy and they're going to keep going. I'm like, whoo, kudos to you. Like, I'm exhausted as is. Like I'm probably not gonna worry about missing that three footer on 17. I'll just backhand the next one, type deal. So what's your secret sauce there? I try to sprint through the finish line, at least give you something like as, you know. I feel like you have a good taste.

Plays, yes. I birdied the second to last hole before missing the cut last week, and I was like, you know what, I feel like you have a good taste. Yes, I birdied the second to last hole before missing the cut last week and I was like, you know what, I still got it, I got it. We're gonna go get him next year. Straight out of holes. I know, I really did just run out of holes. Yeah, you never lose, Bobbertaus said that.

You never lose, you just run out of holes. That's what he said. I would encourage people on another note to take a look at the field for Puerto Rico. It's incredible. It's unbelievable. There was a 16 for one playoff down at Honda this week. What's the largest playoff Monday queue

you've ever been involved in? Never been involved in a real big one. Seen some nice ones. The one year Guthrie almost got into C Island with DJ on the bag. That was a fun one. We drove up there. I caddy for you and DJ, caddy for Luke Guthrie

we played in the morning. We all went up in one car. And I think right as well, We drove up there. I caddy for you and DJ caddy for Luke Guthrie. We played in the morning. We all went up in one car and I think right as well, we're getting there. I think I threw out like what happens if like one of us has to wait for a playoff and sure enough, we had to wait all day for a play. We wouldn't play that whole nine at Fred Rico. Got lunch and then came back and then the playoff ended with suburban shining the lights on the putting green, but 16 for one is pretty impressive. And you see the chase cypher, a little nugget that in the playoff, he was in the playoff and cold, like, boned his second shot on the playoff hole. Like, didn't hit a groove, didn't get off the ground.

And then he ends up getting in the field, like last man in the field, someone withdrew. And he was like in the top 10 through a couple rounds, maybe even three rounds. Like, it was, it was pretty funny. He was like, and then he replied to the tweet. And was like, I can confirm that no grooves were harmed in the making of that golf show. That's like the one that, the one that, the one that Ben posted on our main knowing up Instagram count

of Neil. That was a toe shank, right? That was a toe shank, I was a poet. Yeah, I watched it like five times. I'm like, you don't see that all. It did not hit the heel. That was, that was a toe shank. That was a shank out of the boat. Yeah, I watched it like five times. I'm like, you don't see that all day. It did not hit the heel. That was a special show. I was just seeing that straight off the top.

It looks down. He looks down. He clumps a lot and then looks back up. And, whoa. Oh gosh. You guys read KVD's article this week? He did. I did.

He wrote an article about one year since Tigers accident, which included some stuff I'd never heard about. I'd never heard the nugget of tiger was at a green light for six seconds at certain point before he crashed, which speaks to him. I don't know if he's on his phone, I don't know if he fell asleep, I don't know what,

but that obviously something was not right before that accident, which we knew we just don't really have answers to it, even though he claims to own them. Go ahead and read the article. I felt like the tone was fair, it struck the right notes. It wasn't preachy or know it all or condescending. I felt like it was, you know, there's legitimate questions still to be asked, right? But I, you know, I think we can take solace in the fact that Tiger looked good.

Yeah. He looked great. He had been in the last week. In the eyes and everything. I made the kids pipe down and I was like, Sarah, take him. I'm watching. As Nance was a Terriganian. He was, he kept going.

I was like, not gonna let up. Yeah, like maybe just let him decide. I don't know. I was a little uncomfortable. I kind of want to step in, if I could, pump the brakes. We got Soulheim Cup. Headed to RTJ in Virginia. Which people say it's a good spot.

I've never been in front of the program. Stephen Britain used to be one of the grounds guys there. It looks like a good piece of property, but it doesn't stir anything in my soul. Seems like the players are excited about it. So for that, I get it. There's some good R.T.J stuff. Yeah, but it's not just like careful big and long. Why? No, I'm just, oh, T.C. is going to lay it too. There's, there's some stuff that's not just like, yeah, outrageous.

The course I played Q squad this year, Magnolia or whatever, like it was a legit, like cool little golf course dog legs. Wasn't real big trees. It was a, I get like it was a legit, like cool little golf course, dog legs, wasn't real big trees, it was a, it was actually a- That's a lot of action to this stuff in Alabama. And like, you know, it's all like Roger Rulewich, which was his kind of main guy at the end. But yeah, it's, you know, it just doesn't like,

after Inverness, I guess. I know. It's just easy to kind of be left hanging a little bit. But at the same time, DC is a good golf town. It's probably under, underrepresented as far as professional golf goes. I had the Rory Instagram post on it. Sub tweeted the hell out of fill out of not wanting more than blah, blah, blah. I was still as daily so stoic or whatever. That was great. And then do you see what happened out in the desert this week? Uh, oh, the Palm Springs.

I've been warning people. I, like, I just saw the wind. I didn't. Ludwig, Ludwig, Oburg or Aberg. See that? Sweetest guy. Texas tech. He's like the number one amateur in the world.

He is, he's coming, folks. He's on his way. And he, he won. He was in the hard wave. I've heard good things. Like, it was blowing like crazy. I talked to Henry Schimp. He was there with Stanford and was like, we got the worst into the draw.

It was, you know, like, it was the starkest draw you've ever seen in like a non-brush open. And he said Ludwig was in the worst of it and still won by a couple shots. It's impressive. I mean, he's a savage. F1 testing. Mm-hmm.

I'm way behind on that and you get caught up on that. I was just, Terry, Terry Bode asks is not looking good in the non-versaing. I'm shocked to hear that. I took me a minute to figure out who we were talking about. No, that's a Spencer Hall. I love that. That's who we at town.

I'm going to refer to him. There is Neil Tex of this to us. There's some guys down in San Clemente. Chad goes deep as the handle on Instagram. He's upset about the move of the blue T-boxes on the 16th hole at the San Clement. You knew. I saw that clip and it was so. Have you seen the other one from that guy?

Uh-uh. That's not the first time that I don't think I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain that's, there's been multiple ones of these, the guy goes into the city council and just like has some incredible little red. So Miko from Golf Blueprint, I guess, went to high school with this,

with one of these guys, and was like, he's been just a total character. He's like, like, I think his opening line in the City Council thing was like, Council members, normally I come to you with stoke. Today, I bring you beef. It's so good. And it's all about this, then moving the T-box on this one hole, because you can't see the ocean in here.

I was still on to ocean view. So, and then I put this on there, you know, it's unclear whether Randy suspended or not. Right now. Many people are saying he hasn't been on the podcast in a while. Without an explanation. Yeah. And, you know, Phil blocked him. I can't imagine it's kind of like done becoming for Randall. I'd be shocked.

Delta. No, Langupt does not disclose suspicions. Delta Skyteam partner. for Randall. I'd be shocked. Delta. No, lineup does not disclose suspension. Delta, Sky Delta Sky team partner and they announced today that arrow float the Russian national airline that Delta is spending the partnership. His guy, what's his name? Deer and Fox for the Kings got caught up. He's been some really shady NFT deal.

A lot of things not going Randy's way right now. Tough death for him, man. And then saw I had it. Are you wearing a tux this week for Niels Wedding? No, it's black tie optional. Not wearing a tux. I'm not renting a tux. And these guys are bad, bad dudes. Randy and DJ are wearing tuxes. And they're not in the wedding. And they're going gonna make me be the only one not wearing a tux. How bad a dudes are they? Horrible, but yeah.

I would never wear one. Exactly. The word optional is there. I hate tuxes. It's the biggest thing. Well, you backed me up on this as a problem. It's so itchy. I'm on your side.

Yeah, this is a bad guy. Tux should not exist. Tux should not exist. I'm gonna say that. Tux should not exist. I like to wear a navy. Yes, I'm wearing navy. I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to fly high and there. Of course, I wear navy. Richie's wedding, I had to go, it was black to optional. I'm like,'m where Navy. Yes, I'm where Navy. I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to go out there and say,

Richie's wedding. I had to go, it was black to her option. I'm like, oh my gosh, not only do I not fit any of the suits I own, but I went and I bought a nice navy suit. And like the thought of renting a toxin paying 150 to $200 to rent a tox or two to whatever on a suit to own. Why would you ever make anyone buy or rent a tux? This is not on Nail.

Yeah, it's to be clear. This is on Randy and DJ. Yeah. That are not in the wedding, but our wearing tuxes. It can make me look at them. It can make me look better. I respect the game, I guess. Gonna make me look better.

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How's Rehab going? It's good. I will ditch my crutch this week and I'll start to walk. So I can take a few steps, but it's it's going nice. I'm I'm excited that I can hopefully play and move and be like pretty pain free. So for the first time in a long time, right? It's yeah. It's been six or seven years. So holy shit. Yeah. God, a freed up huboer. The no dog like is safe. Apparently you're supposed to pick up like seven to eight yards with this hip surgery. That's what the surgeon says.

Can I get it? Yeah, and I did. I got a few extra yards after the last one. So now you're going to have like 16, actually. It may get weird. Brandon Matthews here we come. Thanks everyone for tuning in. And we'll see you back here next week.

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