No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 527: Bay Hill Recap ft. Harry Higgs & Justin Hueber

Episode Date: March 7, 2022

If one PGA Pro as a guest host is good, two is better! Harry Higgs and Justin Hueber join Soly to recap Bay Hill as Scottie Scheffler wins for the second time in his last three starts.  We'll discuss Scheffler's rise over recent months and the course conditions at Bay Hill plus a myriad of off other topics including the locker room reaction to Phil Mickelson, the PIP program, Harry's run at the PGA Championship which earned him a spot in the Masters, and - of course - how the idea for the shirtless celebration at the 16th in Scottsdale came to be. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/MI/NJ/PA/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXTSTEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/NH), 888-789-7777/visit http://ccpg.org/chat  (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 1-877-770-STOP (7867) (LA), 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY), visit OPGR.org (OR), call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA). 21+ (18+ NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/LA/MI/NH/NJ/NY/OR/ PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. New customers only. Min. $5 deposit required. Eligibility restrictions apply. See http://draftkings.com/sportsbook for details. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up Podcast. Solid here, recovering from the Schuster nupsholes from last night. Could not convince any of the other NLU guys to be here in their defense. They called this week enough a long time ago.

But rest assured, we have some excellent guests in the studio here tonight back for the second week in a row. Everyone's favorite. Mr. Justin Hubert, hello, Hubs. What's going on? And a surprise upset. Didn't see this one coming. We were maybe going to be doing a podcast this week. But comes into town early, Mr. Harry Higgs.

Welcome to the Kille House. Yeah, cheers, boys. It's happy to be here. We are excited. We're going to have some takes. We're going to talk some Bay Hill. Before we do that quick run of show for the week, we have a film room coming up this week at TBC

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So Scotty Schaffler wins the Arnold Palmer invitation presented by Mastercard at Bay Hill, whatever this tournament is called. Harry, you're not a, you don't play at Bay Hill. Uh, yeah. Um, I was there my first winey tour pro. Yeah. I mean, sure.

I mean, when everything around the place dies and you have no control over what happens once your ball leaves the club, you're going to get us to wine. I mean, I think at 12 handicap that goes there now, if they're, you know, a Loof and don't understand why the ball's not going in the home, maybe they won't wine, but everybody winds around Bay Hill. It's just not, you know, it's not my favorite. What is, let's, let's, let's, we'll get to the core set up. I got plenty to talk to you about that. But you live in Dallas. Scotty Schaffler lives in Dallas. Do you guys play much golf there? Did you see this big of an outbreak coming for Scotty?

I don't know that Scotty and I have ever played golf together in Dallas. Scotty keeps a very low profile, which I do as well. I think he plays just about all his goals. We're gonna talk about you taking a shirt off on this 16th green away space. Well, profile. Well, profile while at home.

Okay. Yeah, I didn't take my shirt off. I made it to the people raised. My shirt. Scotty plays most of his golf at at Royal Oaks. I believe him. It's kind of sad. I don't even really know.

I think he just hangs with some of the boys there, plays money games. You know, it goes out and shoots low 60s every day, takes money off of everybody. But I played a lot of golf with Scotty. We were on the cornberry tour the same year 2018. 1991. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. off with Scotty on the we were on the cornberry tour the same year 2018 1991 yeah yeah you're you guys have a whole bit about him being old and it's like

it's insanely true he is very much an old soul but you could see it then he was he's just kind of always in control of every aspect of his game so obviously he shows up and if he has control over everything, you get a bounce or two, a hole a putter or two, he obviously has many chances to win and has had many chance to win. You see them taking advantage of them because he's probably holding one more pot or one of the drives on the back nine creeps into the fairway instead of trickling into the rough.

So Scottie is obviously here to stay and will probably win, continue to win bigger, bigger tournaments. I would like to say I'm going to have a say in that, but you know, kind of I got to get better because he's he's often running. So we you you touched on something there about, you know, he maybe had one ball not rolling to the rough or do something like that. Is that it makes me wonder is within the media, within golf, within how things are covered, is look, do people look too much at the final result and not like appreciate maybe the nuances or the very, very, very thin lines, like Victor Havelin kind of almost feels like a failure this week and he shot four undersit and finished one shot back versus

Scottie's now the hero. Does that feel like a little disproportionate for where the credit should go? For sure. Yeah. I mean, there's, you know, I've been, I've been a lot of guys that, you know, obviously today was very difficult. I've been a lot of guys that didn't play their best,

couldn't look back and one shot here, one shot there. But really, for the most part, it's just these little things that happen throughout around. I'm sure you know, the same thing, you know, just when you try to close a tournament out. Like, yeah, I mean, Scottie's drive today,, even on 18, like everyone that hit it in the left rough, essentially, you couldn't see their ball and his like plopped right up. And he hits, it looked like no more than wedge and runs it up there.

And great, great lag putt. But Gary Woodland was over there. The group or the group before and he could barely get it within like 15 yards of the green. So it's like, that's how you win a golf tournament. And granted, he's played incredible, but those things have to happen, especially when the leaderboard's that packed and the course is that hard, like you get a couple breaks that way and that adds up.

How different is it playing tournament golf down the stretch with that much pressure when the greens are like that? When every putt is gonna roll that extra eight inches, 12 inches, you know, a foot and a half. How big of a difference does that make? How much of a mental grind is all that? Is that why you're here at the Killhouse tonight and not at Bayhulth? Yes, that's what you think.

Yes. I mean, I played it one year, my first year on tour. I think we looked at it. I finished 42nd, shot seven over on the weekend after making the cut. I think high 30s, so barely even fell. But yeah, it's insanely stressful because again, like I think high 30s so barely even fell. But yeah, it's it's insanely stressful because again, like I think I said earlier, you just don't have a ton of control. You have to hit all the puts, you know, very soft to try most of them. You're trying not to even make one

closer to the whole shirt, but lag putt wise, you're probably trying to leave it as close as the hole is possible. And then you get over three footer, the wind's blowing and there's no grass on the greens. You know, in your heart of hearts, that you're gonna hit this, and there's a chance that this thing will not do what you think it's going to do. And most of us, we know what a three foot putts gonna do, right? I mean, there's some that are downhill and break a lot, sure, but you still know what it's gonna do.

Some of them you hit immediately, and it's immediately offline, and you just look like a fool. And it had nothing to do with, I mean, look like a fool and it had nothing to do with I mean most of the time it had nothing to do with your stroke or you know your ability to start the ball online It's just stuff that's so out of your control because there's no grass on the greens It's so I've not fun haven't had the experience to play like try to close out of tournament and anything remotely somewhere to that But I played a hooters tour event way back in the day and a buddy of mine, Mark Blakefield actually won. And I it was it was not the same as

Bay Hill, but essentially there wasn't grass on the greens. They were a 14. And it was dirt that was paying a green. And it was the most stressful. I just tried a million, but Mark shot like 65 last day, hit everything to inside three feet and like didn't make a bogey in one bite a bunch, but it was like trying to make a six footer knowing that you're gonna have four feet coming back and probably 50, 50 on the four footer. Misurable. Yeah.

Like truly miserable. And that's where I think a people get, I don't know if it's if it's fair to say people get confused right because we rail against like all we don't like if it's fair to say people get confused, right? Because we rail against like, oh, we don't like 35 under birdie fest as well. And, you know, I think that there is a spectrum of what the best golf can be, right? And I agree that 35 under birdie fest where the bad shots don't get punished very well, very strongly.

I don't think that's very good golf. And I would also say on the opposite end of the spectrum, a hard, hard golf test that doesn't necessarily consistently reward good shots. I also think is not great. Somewhere in the middle lies the best entertainment value and professional golf in the best test of skills. Scotty chef, the leader board, I mean, and identify good players this week, I personally

thought the route to getting there is less than desirable. And then you throw in the balance of like, PGA tour events are part recruiting, right? I mean, you're not there this weekend. You have to pick a schedule as of what you're going to play. And so how can you balance in that act of like, all right, yes, players do have a say in what terms they want to play. And do we want to keep make it this hard if players aren't going to like it?

And they're, can you speak to some of that? Yeah. Bay Hills. I mean, I know, I remember watching before I was on tour. And I remember it being 12, 15 under more than likely. I don't know where when and where they started this thing where it's some point during the week, usually Friday afternoon or early Saturday. Everything is just dead.

So good luck guys, have fun. And it's obviously a test of your skills. And it's more importantly, a test of your ability, not to just lose your shit. Like, I mean, I saw the clip of Matt Jones throwing his putter in the water. Yeah, Matt, I feel you, man. Like I bet everybody wanted to do the same thing.

He was just the only one that pulled the trigger. Yeah, that's a good one. I mean, you do see, I think the purse there's at least 12. And I chose to play Honda instead of there and Honda's eight. So that's a big deal. And a lot of guys are still playing Bay Hill because of the association with Arnold Palmer. A lot of the top players that fits their schedule day,

obviously Bay on Honda, they'll do Riv, Skip Honda, Bay Hill, play this week, skip a few, then play Augusta. Most of it comes down to schedule and just whether or not you've got rules, whether it's I only do three in a row. I only do four in a row. I never do any more than four in a row. You know, I don't want to travel or, you know, somebody's guys got families. This is maybe their kids spring breaks. They're gonna do that I Skip Bay Hill because I just do not care for the layout of the golf course and I do not care to do it twice I like Honda I like Honda over Bay Hill because it's just hey man. You got to hit it here. There's no cork. There's no

No, nothing both greens eventually die and we have to do this silly funny thing where wind is blowing and there's no grass on the greens and we got to figure out how to get it in the hole. I'm only going to do that once and I'd rather do that where like, all right, you just got to hit it right here. I remember standing in the 11th fairway at Bay Hill, which was a good start on Sunday. I hit it in the fairway and it's downwind off the right. There's water short and left and the flag's back left. And then I the greens firm, and so I'm just trying to get something in kind of the back fringe of the back rough, and I think I hit an eight iron. Nice little high draw eight iron working with the wind just a little bit of fluid, just a little long, but landed on the green.

Big bounce over these like three older folks that are sitting in their lawn chair, bounces over their head, one hops onto the cart path and is like six inches from going out of bounds. It's like my ball landed four long of the hole. I totally get that. Like I hit it four long of the hole, but like let's keep this in the rough. So then you know, then I get back there

and I can't try to chip it on the green with water on the other side, right? I gotta lay it short and people are, you know, oh then, you know, then I get back there and I can't try to chip it on the green with water on the other side. Right now, I got to lay it short and people are, you know, oh, wow, you know, what was that? You guys don't like, I'm not, I'm not doing that. I'm not taking a penalty after I do this. I mean, I'm lucky. My ball stayed in bounds. That was the, as I walked off that green, I realized to myself that I will never see this place again. Like, that was a one time deal, this is the last time. And I think I finished pretty, no, I made some pars. I made one birdie on the weekend. I think the only birdie was on 15 on Sunday.

And it was just like, it's a clown birdie that I made. I don't care for it. We do it basically two times a year. I've never played Tampa and I've heard Tampa, all these Florida events kind of do this thing where everything is overceded for a while. And then, you know, they shut the water off, maybe the county shuts the water off, whatever it is, and all of a sudden, the overceded is dead. I'm going to play Tampa after this, this upcoming week. So I'm curious to see if they continue to have

grass on their greens throughout the week. But I'm only, I only sign up for it once and I choose to sign up for it at Honda. Impressive, because that place gives me the EVGVs. I don't hit it in the water there though, which is good. But you can't hit it. If you hit it away from the water, it's still not good. So I hear good things about Valsper. I think people, I don't feel like Tor Pros walk off that course a little upset. And I think they're just, I'm trying to get to the bottom of like,

because fans do have no patience for Tor Pros being upset at course setup. No matter if you make a good point about it, you are, I mean, just read the comments on Rory on Saturday, like kind of bit his tongue and said, like, yeah, I don't want to say something, I'm going to regret about this. And then finally today, he said something about the setup

where good shots are not being rewarded. And I posted that and comments just start raining and really pathetic, soft, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, there's probably a point here somewhere. So what is kind of the point? What is the line between, because you don't dislike hard, you don't like, no. No, you say that the entertainment,

all the fans don't like 30 under and all that shit. I can guarantee you there's not a single professional golfer, You just say that you like the entertainment, all the fans don't like 30 under and all that shit. I can guarantee you there's not a single professional golfer, but especially PGA tour golfer that wants to go out and you 30 under to win a trophy. I mean, cubes, I'm sure you're the same way. We would all probably rather finish it 500 and hold the trophy. We just want to get tested in a fair way. I had a conversation with Guthrie a couple nights ago.

Went out to dinner and we're watching it. And it was like, I had the conversation of, it's so much different. Like, great, take this week, you look at it and it was five under winds. But a normal hard setup when you shoot one or two under on a Saturday and you move up is so much more encouraging than when you shoot five under and lose three spots. Yeah. It's like you feel like even though it's obviously this week was pretty brutal and I don't know if fair is the right word, but like it was it didn't look like any fun even with it like not being a birdie fest, but you'd much rather go into it knowing hey if I go shoot even or

one or two under like I'm going to move up a bunch and Lucas Herbert or Hey, bear, I don't know how he pronounces it, but like he shot four under today. And with like eight holes left, I was like, I see me win. And I was like, who? And I'm like, he was done an hour and a half ago. Like, it could come back to two under. You just much rather have that opportunity to shoot a couple under on the weekend and have it mean something that have to go shoot six under six under and move up 10 spots like that. That's the part of professional golf that sucks. Yeah. Yeah, I guess you said the word fair. Like what does that mean? So and look, I don't know that any PGA tour players also qualified to say what's fair

and what's not. I really don't. Yeah. He was makes a good point. I've been in contention after 36 holes once this year at Summit, the CJ, at 13 under and I finished, I think I was in third and then I shot seven under on the weekend and moved down to ninth. That's irritating. That, that blows like it should in theory get harder and you should be rewarded. So, so the bay hill

ask right to set up is where it might not be fair, but at least if, I mean, if somebody, I've obviously somebody shot seven under around that place over the weekend, they won the golf tournament. And that's just probably physically impossible on a course like that. But we, I think we actually will wind more if and when it is that case, where maybe you are 10 under par and you're in sixth and then you go out and shoot 12 under par on the weekend

and you finish ninth. Like, what are we doing here? And I, so the, I guess the point is there are times probably too often on tour where if you were to have your 36-square score and just double it, you will actually drop on the leaderboard. Because, and I would say those are the courses that maybe don't do their best in identifying

which one of these guys out here is the most skilled this week. It may just be the guy that, and the most skilled, not to say that, you know, everybody else that finishes ahead of you is obviously skilled, but, you know, where were the shots that somebody made up, you know, how some guys over there just hold on every pot or, you know, he's getting great lies in the rough and then you don't have to worry about it, you know, bouncing over the, over the green. He can just fly it up there and it, and it plugs. But also on the, in the same vein, we do not like, we would love to shoot two under par on a weekend and, and rock it up.

But it's also a little irritating that like you can go out there and play, play the same golf that in theory would let you shoot two under par and shoot 82. Right. Like it's just what. Yeah, I don't know what I don't know how you just just like discern what is fair, but there's got a obviously long thick rough combo that with firm greens. It's almost impossible to score.

Like especially if the fairways are somewhat narrow or they dog like, I'm watching Bay Hill and all these holes that dog like right to left and I'm thinking to myself, I can't hit that fairway unless I hit a three wood or something. But even then, like, you look at six and these guys are bombing over the water because it's a little downwind.

You have no chance of getting in the fairway. Roy hit 360 and he had to chip out. It goes a foot into the rough and you're done. That's their needs. Yeah, mine can be in there needs to be out. It goes a foot into the rough and you're done. That's their needs. That's not. You can't tell me that's entertaining is what I say to people.

Give me 10 feet, give me 10 feet of rough that is like manageable. So if you, on those type of holes, if you roll it just through, you have a chance. But then yeah, 10 or call it five yards off the fairway. Make it nasty. Like if you hit it, yeah, make it gross. But like give me, give me a little buffer, like even,

even a horse will shot yesterday on 18. Like, it's a beauty and it rolled two inches through. And fortunately, he got a drop, but like, I mean, it was gonna be, he was making bogey. Like, you can't stop it. It didn't look like going down that hill from other guys. Like, that sucks. He's 20 feet from the hole.

Like, give him a, just give you a buffer. Like, I need a, I need a first cut that, or whatever guys, like that sucks. He's 20 feet from the hole, like give him a, just give you a buffer. Like I need a first cut that, or whatever you want to call it, first cut, second cut, but give me some chance on that little bit. But if you blow it, like you should be penalized. And they could be,

and whomever they is, I never know, but they can be more selective. Like if I'm bad if you saw the, forgive me that I didn't really, I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to the golf today. I watched, you know, six, seven holes that guys played and I saw, I didn't see Rory's drive, but I saw his second and then he third and he missed the putt. If that man wants to take that line on that hole and his ball rolls into the rough, I mean, that's a skill that not a lot of people have.

Maybe don't punish him that severely for it, right? Like, just in that, probably in 20 yard wide gap, basically, if you've got the stones to fly at 330 yards over water the entire way, and hold it somehow. Yeah, I mean, it ain't gonna hold it. It's not a shot. That's not a golf test. I think I know I could do it. Like, if I tee it up super high,

would it come down soft enough? I'm like, no. No, I can do it. Like if I tee it up super high, would it come down soft enough? I'm like, no, I mean, you saw it. I'm not. I'm all down through. Horseshell bailed a bit and so it hops in the bunker. But then, you know, Taylor Grootch had one that looked pretty good, but it was hanging just right and it's just going to one hop into a bunker. It's like, well, how to, and that hole, that hole's in my opinion horrible because

it's a lot of bad holes on that. It was terrible. But then you get to eight and eight is kind of the same shit. Like, I mean, you have to get it bending sideways to hold the fairway. And then obviously some of us are gonna overdo it and it's gonna get in the right rough. And then they got these massive slope

and these trees in the way. Take the damn trees out and you'll get guys to, that'll actually make the whole play harder. It might ships out of the trees and then they hit their way to 20 feet and tap in for par. Get some guy to hit it, try to hit it out of the rough. Yes. Some guys are going to, most of them are going to dump it in the water and now they're pissed I hear. This is the biggest key.

You have the firm greens there and that is part of the challenge. The dead greens, excuse me. The firm greens, you exacerbate the effect they're gonna have if you have rough that is playable out of and you've given some of the opportunity for that recovery shot. When it's that thick and you've taken the recovery shot out of play, you're wasting kind of this opportunity of like,

here's the reward for being in the fairway is that you could hold a dead greens if you allow me. It won't hold, but you can better. You can start picking, you can at least fly at your number. But you can pick which bunker you wanted to hit into. And you don't want to hit in many bunkers on the hill. Or you can we talk about that in a minute, like how many plugged lies there were. They're the worst.

20 at least. I don't know who it was. I was losing it. I was losing it. I don't know who it was. I was watching. I was losing it. And I think I was watching the recap on, I think it was Thursday and somebody one hopped it in and it plugged. They are the absolute worst.

You're already plugged it into 16 on Friday or something. I'm like, that's like, it's a long iron type deal. Like it's not a, it's not hitting a sand wedge into there. And it's not even under the lip. It's like on the nice little upslope and it's just buried. And that's where people are like, you're so inconsistent with your takes,

you hate the birdie fest, but why don't you like this? It's like, I don't like a minute, this is manipulated as manipulated is it's gonna get fake. Yeah, like it's not, it is manipulated to the point of just four higher scores for the sake of higher scores. It is not, it is dumbing down the test,

it is not making as good of a test if he asked me. Like Riviera, however many weeks ago, how did anybody have thick lies in the rough or was it ankle deep for any of that? Can we just give a shout out to our man for the couple of whole outs on the back. I don't know why, that was special. I just wanted to play it two more times. So good.

It's so good. But just for the listeners that can't like get their head around that, can you parallel the difference in tests? What you as a pro golfer are getting tested at Bay Hill versus Riviera and why I'm definitely of the opinion ribs away better test. It sounds like you are as well. Why is that? Riv everything, every shot you hit and every shot you hit has consequence.

And the what occurs, what you instruct the ball to do really, really matters, right? Like I always remember the third hole, which is just a short par for nothing really to it, but the fairway kind of, it kind of sets you up to it. Just hit it in the right rough and the fairway kind of slopes off to the left. So you, you kind of take it down the right hand side and if it just kicks into the rough, now you've got rough, which is extremely playable. But it's not, the rough is going to knock just enough spin off of it and the green slopes

away from you. So now you are going to have to miss the green on purpose, almost all the time. And unless there's a backflag and you can, yes, you may get a lot just good enough to throw way up in the air, but now you're taking, and you know, there's a front bunker. So now it's like I'm gonna throw way up in the air,

but if that thing kind of, and it was into the wind. So if that thing puffs back into the wind, it going to not one's going to more than likely plug in that bunker And it's like an appropriate plug not a bay hill plug But you have to then you and then the just the way the green slopes it kind of falls off back left and it you know Shit from the from the you know the start of the green over the bunker, it chases back towards the back edge. So, and then there's actually like this little dip and you would, if you get a big hot one and it bounces off the green, it's going to get onto this, a little bit of a downslope in the rough. And this little dip just makes that little pitch harder because you can't really land it in the cacooia because it's just

going to stick. So you've got to land it in this little probably, I don't know, 12-inch gap into this little upslope from a downhill lie to get it close to a backflag. But all of that, you have to, I mean, the only reason that you're in that spot is because you trickle it just into the rough, right? So if you hit it in the fairway, then it's like, okay, it's almost all right. I can turn my brain off and just hit a wedge or a gap. You've earned that though. You've earned it. But I think that was watching, Rib, guys that hit it in the fairway were able to hit really good, iron shots.

Yeah. Get it to stop. Like the greens were firm, but you could get it to stop. And like you're saying, if they were in the rough, like you could play a shot to get into position to make a par in Bay Hill was like, you just kind of, it looked like a coin flip. Like it was 50, 50, whether you were going to have a chance of par or not. Yeah. And you can pair the third hole of Bay Hill. And there's rough everywhere on the

right. And it's thick as shit. And there's a bunker right. And it's not true. There's car path on the right too. You could hit a car path on a car. Yeah. But so you're going to get most of the guy in the fairways, even a little narrower, you're going to get most of the guys to dump it in the right rough. And then just let it, I mean, less the the firmness of the greens, the angle that somebody put the green at is just laughable.

So now you get this guy in the right rough. It's like, all right, I'm probably, I probably should chip out, but if I wanna take it on, I'm gonna probably miss it short and right. And then the thing is just screaming down away from you. So everybody's gonna go over there in the right rough short of the green

and play like this big splash and leave it 15 feet short. Like everybody hits the same shot, whereas at RIV, based on what happened off your, or a F the same shot, whereas at RIV based on what happened off your or a FIT shot, you can you can be creative, use slopes, you know, hit different trajectories to get balls close to the hole. But if you hit it in the rough, you you pretty much at that point only have one choice. And there's a, you know, a couple of holes have one or two choices where you get it up and down from. But once you get into the spot where that you basically have chosen

to get the ball up and down from, there are many, many choices about how you could do that, right? And yes, that may make it easier, you know, score wise, definitely. But like everybody around Bay Hill, if you didn't hit in the fairways, or even if you did hit in the fairway on that third hole, it's like, well, the angle that this damn thing is sitting at with the way

the wind is, I'm not going to get it. It's probably not going to even stay on the green. I'm going to hit it in March, three and 11 to the same thing. I mean, it had a great shot where I should 20, 25 feet right of it. It's going to one hop and then it's not, you know, none of it, it doesn't have spin because everything's dead. A great shot would be back right French, but everything just trickles into the rough back there, and then everybody has to play this splash

that they're scared of hitting too hard, so then it comes up short to eight, 12 feet, and then everybody misses the same 12 footer. So, remind me if I have the opportunity to pay hill to maybe just check that one off the schedule. Yeah, this doesn't, and maybe that's why a lot of guys don't play is because I can't imagine playing a tournament like that where you feel like you're just getting kicked in the teeth the entire time Even your good shots and then go try to play players for potentially the biggest person like yeah

Like I would not use that as my warm up if in my that's that's kind of the same I might know like a big point. We're building towards is like this supposed to be an elevated event And like we're looking at this whole schedule and looking at Roy's comments and I got a text from a player this week that said I know you guys are going to enjoy this chaos, but there's a lot of very unhappy millionaires here right now Yeah, that's a great line of like look. I have a perspective here on how silly it is that for us to wine But like also, you know, I don't know There's at least a sentiment of some amount of people out there that do enjoy watching just for the sake of high scores and the carnage. But I love the idea. I love the concept of down the stretch. You better ask, if you execute this shot,

we're going to, there's a good, you have a chance for birdie here. We know that's going to happen. And if you miss your spot and go for it and don't get it, you're probably going to make bogey. Like that is the element. Now I don't like, I don't like as much, you know, something that's just hold on for dear life and maybe making eight footer for par, kind of. And they heal you can execute everything correctly. You can instruct your ball on trajectory, spin and curve, just as you thought, it can land exactly

where you wanted it to think, and you're still like, holy shit, I cannot make par from here. It's just that. That was impressive about Shephard. On, he's down when he goes to 17t and makes hits it to 40 feet and then 90 feet on the last or whatever it was and wins the tournament with two incredible lag puts while meanwhile woodland is just making a mess and his shot on 17 was I don't know

if you saw it but it was not see it. mean, a yard from probably where you have to land it in the French and it lands right in the lip. And like, it plugs, but then rolls back to like the front of his plug mark to where it's one of those where it's like teed up, but half plug still and you're like, well, I'm gonna hit a lot of ball. And if I get too close because that's all that sitting there,

but at the same time, it's half plug. So I got to kind of chunk it and he didn't take a huge swing. I think because he thought he was going to hit more ball. And I mean, he hit it two feet in it almost plugged in the lip and barely rolled back. They showed him slow. I'm like, oh my gosh. But and then and then he has hits it to eight feet after that. Like it's still not even any good. And that's some people will scream online. Well, don't hit it there.

And like that, what I'm trying to scream from the rooftops, like you don't, even for the highest level, you guys love a challenge. You will take on challenges, but when the question is landed in this five foot box from 175, whatever that is. 17 is like two. They moved it up today.

They were hitting eight irons, but still like short today. If you hit it 20 feet left, it went back French. Or bunker, like it was. Where was it it 20 feet left, it went back French. Right. Or bunker. Like it was, was it way over there on the right? Way right. Like probably five over the bunker, maybe seven, eight from the back edge, but only four from the right.

And then if you take the bail line with the wind off the right and it arrives the end, you're landing at Penn High, shooting long and it's a four. It's like everybody has, everybody's walking off the green day. That's it. It's the worst. I'm gonna lie. You're gonna get, I love this. This is the battered down.

Yes. Cross cross. And you're like, I'm, you're like, now I might hit too much ball here and then I'm in the bunker for three. I may still be there. It's just, it's the best spot. Then I think you didn't even have a one shot lead at that time. Yeah.

The best spot is to totally bail and pull hook it and land it on the green and have it trickle into the back left bunker. And then even then, I mean, it's going to require a quality golf shot. But he was obviously probably trying again, he's forced to try to make it as stress free as possible because everything about is stressful, which I, and I would say all of us do like, but within reason and took it on and tried to probably cut it, float it a little bit.

So I'm going to land this on the green. I hope it stays in the back fringe because I know it ain't staying on the damn green. Well, we've been talked about the worst part of hope it stays in the back fringe. And if I go a foot too far, it goes to ankle deep rough, which is just one of the worst things in pro golf is just ankle deep rough stopping balls from barely rolling over greens. Like again, and a mitigating factor. And that is where like, if we're talking,

basically every shot from like your 50th to 90th percentile, is gonna end up in the same spot. And you're 95th percentile shot is gonna hold the green, and chef will hit a couple of the 95th percent and identified a winner. I think it's incredibly boring to watch a lot of golf that like I watch this week for a big group of good is shots all end up in the same spot. And it could be going at however many miles an hour or crawling into that first foot. And it's going to stop there.

A really good example is four. I believe the par three is for the par three. Two to two. So two. So two. Yes. Back left. You either hit it in the front bunker or you land it two yards over and it goes in the back.

Like rough. And I'm like, that was the very. I saw Horseshoe hit that and he hit six iron from two thirty five downwind off the right. Perfect. A little high draw and it flies over the bunker and goes in the back rough. And it's just like, and then Taylor kind of bailed and short left. Rory hit it in the bunker and he's like staring it down, like thinking it's going to be incredible and it's a yard from being perfect because he can hit it high enough to stop it.

But like he tries it and it dumps in that front bunker and he hits his bunker shot over the green. It's like, I would so if you lose my mind, you're standing on that tee on Sunday, the way the way the green is angled and how well I will I it's not firm it's dead. Now everything what is being presented to you if you would like to get your ball close to the hole from 230 yards you have two options you have to fly it over the bunker landed in the fringe and pray to God it doesn't bounce firm at at ungod on godly height. So you probably have a yard to land it in or you could take like a five iron back footed, land it well short with hook spin and get it to roll around

that bunker. At what point are we, if that's what's being asked of us, yeah, like, I mean, but yeah, now what point is that what should be required to identify the champion at a big time elevated event? I was gonna wait until we were done with course setup stuff to get the first ad break in, but I still have more stuff I want to get to, but we got to do this now, okay? Remind me on the back how to talk about we haven't even talked about golf like golf course design yet And how much that plays a factor in this, but are you guys cash up users yet? Not yet, but after last week. It in this. But are you guys cash app users yet? Not yet. But after last week, it's coming. Why do you hate junior golf?

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hole is like again, Ferman fast golf is my favorite golf to play. Yeah, mine too. Favorite golf to watch. Yep. It identifies the best players. It's the best challenge yet bad course design combined combined with Ferman fast doesn't get you there, right? So there are golf courses in Scotland. There's so many of them, they're going to, we're going to see one at the Open Championship this summer that play Ferman fast, yet they're designed to be played that way. And there are options to get to a hole. And it's a fun way to get there using mounts, using kickers, using run up areas.

When you're front, it's running so many holes with water with firm greens on the other end and coming out of ankle deep breath, like that is not fun. Like I, I feel like reverse angles too, or I don't know how best to describe it, but it's like, it's instead of 90 degree dog legs at Bay Hill, it's like a hundred, yeah, that'd be more, like a hundred and ten.

It's like, I can't get over there to that left flag. I mean, what are we doing? And even then, I feel like it bay hill, it's either you're guarded by water, up front, or white front inside, or you have two big bunkers in the front with a teeny little run-up area that you can't hardly hit.

I think of like 15, and that whole dog likes you rolling the rough, and then you're trying to scoot it up there, and if you plug it in the bunker, like going for it, or it goes straight over the green, like don't know 15 is yeah. I mean Rory hit it out about I didn't know there was out of bounds there. He had three wood yesterday out of bounds and I was like do you hit it out of bounds right? Right. He was when he had to wait

for the fire trucks to come through. He backs off and then he hits a three wood and he just hangs it out to the right and it's like, which all was this? Sorry. Oh, he did. Yeah. He's almost hit one out of bounds on either three or eleven. He has the same whole. Yeah. I can't remember either.

I think it was eleven. He hit it up against the fence off the cart path. But then 15, yeah, he just looked like he hung a three wood and all of a sudden it's out of bounds. I mean, I'll be curious to see how many guys, what percentage wise hit that that fairway today. It's, you cannot hit the ball in that fairway. It's impossible. What, how different is it to play golf holes with thick rough around the greens like Bay Hill or a myriad of,

you know, the combinations of runoff areas, short grass, less thick rough? What are the differences? What are the differences in test? Difference in shots required. Is it a big difference? I feel like I see, I mean, Rory comment on that too this week of like, you guys just, doesn't really separate good chippers from bad because you just grabbed the 16 everyone

plays the same. Yeah, and it doesn't, even more so I don't think it separates the best ball strikers either that are able to change trajectory or control their ball to state just right of a flag versus, you know, a left flag that falls off left and then we'll go 15 20 yards and into a low, you know, a fairway low. If they did that shit at Bay Hill, those guys would still be playing. So you can't like I will never complain about thick rough around Bay Hill if I ever show up again because then at least like it's gonna stop my But that's what you're looking for. That's my point. I watched it. Patrick Reed second round, maybe first or second round on not third or fourth. We know that. Yes. Third straight. I think is what it was for him. But par five on the front. I'm going to call it four. Yeah. Four. Okay. Short right in the bunker and pins on the left hits it. Little

long rolls down the green over the green down in the little collection area. And it's like one of the few collectors I saw, when he goes to jam it into the hill and it's like the sticky overseas and it doesn't get up the hill and it comes back down and then he chips it like six feet by on his next one, makes double. And I'm like, you know, he's in a pretty good spot on the second shot and that bunker,

like that's probably where he's supposed to miss it. Didn't hit that bad ever shot and he just made seven. And yeah, it just, yeah. I could have gone for some long rough there, but I can see if it was shaved all around, it would be, I mean, it would, you can't fly it on the green with that. You couldn't finish. And that, you know, the problem, the problem again with Bay Hill is if you were in that little left collection area on four to a left to a fly where you have

to bump it into it, yeah, there might, you know, there's one spot where it's still sticky and it's going to kill it. And there's another spot where it's going to kick it and just scoot it 40 feet away from you. It's so hard to guess. Well, you know, and that's, but, but some of the overseas sticks and some of it doesn't. I saw some aerial shots before I, before I left when I was watching. It's like, I mean, 60% of fairways dead.

Yeah. And that that that's not a that's not a test. That's just dumb luck. Yeah. Little gimmicky. Yeah. How does that differ from what we're going to see this week at the players? I mean, it's vastly different.

Everything everything here, usually early in the week is is soft, and it starts to get a little firmer and it becomes quite fun. I mean, I would say this is one of our best courses we play. I mean, it's... You have options here. I play... I don't know how many rounds I've played, but it's a bunch. And granted, I don't get it, turn them into conditions.

But you have options, options essentially everywhere you go. You have a chance at creating something, whether it's running it up, whether it's flying it there, like you have, if you miss, you have the ability to get it in a spot where you can get it up and out, but if you miss in the wrong spot, it penalizes you. Like I think that's why I love to play it. Like it's weird here, the bunkers are all flat around the greens.

You'd never get it on an upslope, and most of the greens are perched up a little, and that makes it difficult. And typically those bunkers are the easy side in terms of like getting it up and down, but you never get that little upslope where you're like, oh, like left of nine. Like you go right of nine,

and you're chipping out of the rough out of the moguls, down hit, like you go left in that bunker, and you're like, oh, like left of nine. Like you go right of nine and you're chipping out of the rough out of the moguls. Down hit like you go left in that bunker and you're like, that should be pretty easy. But then all of a sudden it's flat. The bunk or the green sits five feet up and then you can't hardly get a ton. It's hard to get a lot of spin and get it to land softly. It's just yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm writing. Nine's really the only hole that I don't like, but it's a weird hole.

Hey, it's just weird. I wouldn't call it bad. And there's some hills at bay hill that are just straight up bad. Have we mentioned that? Yes, it's weird and bad, right? Yeah, I I'm I don't know if this is a popular taking out but I'm a huge Pete Dye fan too I've always enjoyed kind of and I don't really and this the other thing I mean he was when we're playing tournaments You don't really I mean if you even if you know who designed it, you don't pay attention to that shit.

Like it's like, on one, I'm just gonna cut it off that tree over there. And if I do it or don't, what's Pete Dye thinking here? What is Pete want me to do? But I do like, I like kind of his stuff where he usually raises, if you're on the team, Tienoff, he usually raises something that catches your eye.

There really isn't in the way. And you just kind of, you usually can cover it, right? Like there's this bunker. He raises and it's like, but it's too 80 over. I shouldn't even look at that damn bunker. And let's say that bunker's on the right. So then you just kind of just bail left and left is no good. Right.

You've lost your angle. You've now you've got to now you've got to carry another bunker or water versus like if I just hit it over the damn bunker that is not in play, I would have been fine. I would agree 100% on that. Like I one thing I love about sawgrass is the short holes, the fairways are tighter and the greens are tricky. Yeah. You get the long for's and the greens are huge, not a ton of slope,

more gradual. And it just, in my opinion, this is a very proper golf course in terms of separating guys who are playing really well because, I guess, like the short ones you have to earn your birdie still. And the long ones, if you're striking it, you can still make birdie. But it's inherently fair. Like that again back to like what we're talking about. The L design.

Yeah, it's and fair. Yes. Like versus shit design. Everything dies. Good luck. You know, exhale when you finish. Yeah, I will say though, Bayhill probably didn't catch the best.

I mean, they had perfect weather in terms of like temperature wise, but you get wind too. And that's the one thing I'm curious, because we've had wind now, the year I played and then last year and then this year. I'm curious, can they still do this voodoo shit that they do where everything dies if the wind doesn't kick up. Maybe, maybe they can and I don't know who knows, but yeah. It's just, that's a bad combo when you have, when there's no miss and it's windy in

that firm. Like, yeah, I don't know. It's, I wish it would have been, I love that it was 500 to win. Yeah. And I think the players, the players will be in the teens probably whether dependent. I saw Sunday, maybe a little chilly and breezy, but, um, and there's some rain in the week. But I love a five under win. But I want to see. I want to see you guys hitting good shots like someone's stuffing in the last few holes. It's awesome. And he watched

it today. I don't know if you saw Victor shot into 18. He's got to make birdie to tie and this the drove me nuts It was so bad. He can't flushes it. I'm talking like he can't hide. He hits it And I'm like that is money it lands in the fringe the front fridge of friends So they're not covered the water and stays on the fringe If it flies a foot it's like it may be a legit tap in because it was high It would have been it no no more than six feet in the back of fringe, but like, but it was one of those it was like, but front friends should be close. Yes.

In theory, and it went four inches from where it landed. And he's like, shook. Yeah. He's like, he motioned like bounce. Like, wait, what are you doing? Well, yeah, you've seen everything probably bounce up over his head all day long. Yeah, it was, it was just like that was the moment where I was like, oh, that sucks. Like, yeah, that put.

I hate drilling it down to this, but I'm gonna need this one to get to the hole. I'm, I'm gonna need an uphill or to get into a playoff. Get to the hole. I know that there is a, there's a, you know, there is a plot's got to go into the right speed. You know, it does nothing for you to blow on six feet by. For some of it, it's played such amazing golf. It just felt like that one, that was one we needed to see get to the hole. And he was kind of hammering putts.

Like, I mean, 16, he ran it eight to 10 feet by. Like he's a, he was trying to make him and then he has the one he has to make and it, it was a foot and a half short. Yeah. It's also, you don't know if you, you don't know if he hit him too hard or not because like catch the dead patches or catch it downwind gust and then they don't sure. Yeah. You don't know if you don't know if he hit him too hard or not, because catch the dead patches are catching downwind gusts and then they don't stop. But I'm going to play for a fun round with you at Bay Hill sometimes. I know. It's just amazing. I don't think I want to do this. Awesome. But this was I needed to have this conversation

with like guys that go and do this because it's not meant this conversation can't happen on social media. Like you there's so much. It took us 45 minutes to get through everything because there's new, there's new, and we even talk about equipment, just like how, yeah, if you're shooting five over, if the winning score is 500 par in modern PGA tour golf, means the win was probably pretty good. The Greens had to be mega baked,

and there has to be like manipulated rough because you guys, the distance you guys hit it, you have to do those manipulative things on a design like that to get the score that high. And I just, I don't think you need to have high scores for golf to be entertaining. You don't have to, yeah, you don't have to have it at five under when, hey, pay hill. Like if the course is made for a 12 to 14, be okay with that. Like what? I don't understand. In our golf, like, I never understand, like, pre-PJ tour, like cornfairystuffweb.com, whatever it was,

it seems like the members take pride in either one of two. It seems like we were all playing a course where the members either wanted it to be a shoot out and see a bunch of birdies, or it was like, we want this so hard. And it's like, why can't it just be normal? Why can't it just be a normal golf course and you just set it up? Yeah, and whatever happens happens. A lot of tour of it's between 12 and 16

are usually pretty damn exciting. They're the best. Because some guy can shoot seven on Sunday and come back and also a leader can shoot two or three over. Like, those are, I would say, what, 11 to 15 under, those are the best viewing fan golf tournaments. I will say just to close this out to, there's no, maybe no stronger polar opposites in terms of design quality than Bay Hill versus Rift.

I know we made some Bay Hill versus Rift cons, but I also just want to include in that that, you know, obviously the design quality is so entirely different in how all the firmness works at Rift just works way better than it does. So, uh, so choose your own adventure. But you want to do PIP stuff next or do you want to do, uh, PGA tour, Phil, Saudi, I mean, let's do, well, what do you think you suspended? Uh, guess we're doing Phil. Phil is still PIP as well, because he's an SD an 91 but what do you think he's suspended?

I think there's a chance he is. Do you think he plays Augusta? Yes. Okay. My take last week was I don't I don't think he shows up for Augusta. So whether or not Phil wants to show up, I think he might have to get the A. Okay. That's so, but I think he will be at Augusta.

I would have said he will play. I said that last week. I said that he be a gusty. I would have said he will play. I said that last week. I said that he would and someone that I believe would know said told me this week that he does not believe that he will be there. He does not believe he'll play again this year. Which surprised me and I'm not reporting that it's news. It's just something that would know better than I did

or do know was like, no, no, this is gonna be a while. I like this guy. Yeah. Whoever this was. So I don't, what did he say that was so bad? Like the actual words. I would say admitting to drafting up the legal charter, the legal charter of a rival league

that is funded by the public investment fund of Saudi Arabia and calling them scary motherfuckers and being like, I'm actually just playing them. Scary motherfuckers part, I don't have an issue with. Like, I mean, I say too many bad words. I think it's in the context of what's the point of, like I mean, I think he's just being punished for kind of who he has been behind the scenes for 20 plus years.

I think it caught up to him, of who he has been behind the scenes for 20 plus years. I think it caught up to him, but I also think the context in which it was said of like, these are the guys I'm choosing to go in with and to try to destroy the PJ tour. This is what I actually think of them and what they do. And I'm doing it, and like actively trying to poach players from the PJ tour while playing the PJ tour. Like I think all that combined is how you yeah, everyone drops you. You're like, wow, that's it just to me it shows it's true colors in terms of like if you're able to stand.

If you're able to say all these things and truly believe them and still go that route, then it's like, okay, maybe there's a lot more going on. There was a lot, the drafting of the league, I didn't realize that at the time. Like hired lawyers to draft the league to feel thing to do, because he wants to control it. I mean, that's sure. Yeah, I guess at first, I didn't really understand

the sponsor's part, like, they, yeah, sponsors dropping them. Yeah, like they, I mean, yeah, I guess in a way, and he's probably partnered with some, some folks that are partnered with the tour as well. But in a way, like, I mean, I, I mean, they would have dropped them if he had said I was gonna go play in Saudi Arabia. Yeah, I, we talked about this last week.

I'm a strong believer in like, all right, if you're paying big money to Phil Mikkelson, you're gonna get the smiling guy, the thumbs up, you're gonna get the guy that shows up for the corporate meetings, the corporate sponsors, knows everybody by name, greets them, you know, you can hear the energy of rooting for Phil on television, there is a whole momentum

or a round Phil and there has been for 30 plus years, and that is not there currently. So if I signed up to sponsor Phil, I'm not saying, that's not what I signed up for. This, I'm not saying that's not what I signed up for. This you flirting with other leagues and doing all this other stuff, saying all these things, calling the tour obnoxious, greedy, throwing out some very, some numbers that I'm not sure where he's getting from, which maybe you could speak to. Hey, I don't want to sponsor that guy. I'm not down with like what you're trying to do here. I actually think

that's a lot easier leap than people maybe made it out to be. Yeah, no, that was more of a question. Yeah, I don't think it was as much about the league as it was of if you're paying a guy 15 million bucks, like is that the image you want? Yeah. This guy and no. So you are on the players advisory council, the pack. How many people are on the pack? What do you hear in these meetings these days? What is your role within that? on the players advisory council, the PAC. How many people are on the PAC?

What do you hear in these meetings these days? What is your role within that? Can you kind of take us into all of these shifting, are these changing tides from your perspective in that regard? Yeah, there's 20 of us in total, 16 are on the PAC and then four are, you know, kind of dual purpose. They're PAC members, but they're also our policy board, right? They sit in the board meetings with the ladies and gentlemen

that are on our board that kind of make a lot of important decisions. This is my now, I've been on it since I've been on tour. So this is my third year. I guess I got kind of grandfathered and I got elected the first year. And then COVID and everything will keep the same PAC. But I got reelected.

I think they, at times they might just appoint somebody that they think is also good, kind of like fast track elections. Maybe they did that for me. I doubt it, but I would have. And our, our role, you know, we've, I've heard the same thing every year that we had our first meeting at Riv. Our role is to vote on, you know, we've, I've heard the same thing every year that we had a first meeting at Riv. Our role is to vote on, you know, anything, this, this, basically the 16 of us are the, the voting body vote on anything the tour, anything that comes our way, anything that we all conjure up and think is a good idea or anything that all the tour, you know, suits

conjure up and think is a good idea. We need to vote on that with every single PGA tour member in mind. You get the same kind of instruction every year that remember this is not a, this is not for Harry Hig. This is not for Harry, this is for everybody. And then you just get, I think we meet five, probably five, six times a year and you just get kind of thrown all these things. And you know, the communication has improved. The PGA tour,

I think, has, and I think they would admit that they've struggled to communicate with all of their members. The big kicker is the four that sit on our policy board. I don't know of any time at any point that if the 16 of us were not in a majority, so if it wasn't 9 to 7 or it wasn't 10 to 6, if it's 8 to 8 or 7 to 9 voting for some of these ideas, the policy board then those four guys go into the boardroom and basically shut down that idea. So if there's, I don't know, name it.

Yeah, what's on your vote on? Give me some examples of some things. Damn, that's put me on the spot. We hadn't voted on anything in a while. We're ensuring it's for practice rounds. That I think was before my time, because that came in like right as, and honestly, there wasn't a whole lot of voting because the majority of my time on the first couple years

was just strictly like COVID. I mean, when can we get back to play? Does this schedule work? Yeah, it does. All right, we'll do that. And then we obviously didn't get to make choices on whether or not we were masks or whether or not we wanted to get tested.

We're visiting these places, bringing in thousands and thousands of individuals, like whatever you want to do, Jacksonville to host us, like we will do. We want to go play golf. There hadn't been a whole lot of voting and there will be there will be some some things that will vote on probably by the end of this year after seeing kind of the ins and outs of you know, proposed new schedule, new kind of structure to the tour. There'll be points at which we vote on certain things.

And this will now be the curious time, whether or not the four board members that are also packed, you know, players, whether they continue with that kind of, you know, if we all shoot this down, do you think the tour will actually wind up doing it? And the tour doesn't get a say. It's those four guys walk into that room with our input and our vote and either shut it down or approve it, right?

I mean, it's all the 16 of us. And then the four of them go in there with what we basically have told them to do. And they don't have to do that necessarily. No, I mean, they don't have to. I'm Charlie Hoffman for as much flak as he's gotten. There were a few things, I don't know why I can't remember stuff that we voted on. Must not have been that important.

But I just remember talking to Charlie and he's like, yeah, I mean, if you guys come back eight to eight, it's, we ain't doing it. I'll walk in there and make sure it's squashed. It's not. So in that there, and there are times, you know, 99% of the times we, so that makes, basically means we govern ourselves, right? There's probably a time or two where it's like, it's a little minute things.

I'll do that, that's better, that's better, that's better. But the tenor of the room has and is starting to change. A lot of the stuff that we didn't even really discuss it, it was just like, hey, this is an idea about what we may or may not do in the coming years. The tenor of the room changes or has changed to basically looking to some of the guys in the room that are, you know, top 10, 20 players in the world. And basically like, hey, boys, does this work for you? Like is this something that you guys would want to do? I'm of the thought that the better that I

make it for John Rom out on the PGA tour, the better that it will be for me. Now that's within reason because I'm in a position that I have to think of every PGA tour member, right? I mean, it cannot drastically change really, you know, my life, if I funnel whatever, you know, money, whatever it is to them, right? When you say for me, you mean the, also the class of players that you represent. Sure. Yeah. Not, yeah, not my soul. Yes.

But I do believe, and I think everybody in the room believes the same thing and is and all of the tour folks obviously would like things to improve for top players and really the only new thing that it would that would come of it is that these guys would get to take a couple months off, right? They would. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about now is a, I think you're insinuating is an adjustment to the fall schedule, which wouldn't be part of the FedEx cup season, which would maybe have some team events in the fall. Yeah.

proposed whatnot, but the idea of the tour season starts January one. Yeah, but there's a lot of shit that goes into that happening that we will all now vote on. Yeah. And, you know, and the tour does a very good job presenting with data like, Hey, this is, you know, this will be this. I, Q school have to change, right? And I think, I mean, I'm, we're probably the same thought I think Q school's worthless. I don't think it identifies the best players, the most ready players to then, you know, play a year on the corn for a tour and make a jump. But that's going to have to change. So now we have to think of ourselves, you know, ours, not us as individuals but the, and then the rest of kind of golf, right? And will these big events that may or

may not happen, you know, will they get well ranking points? Will they get FedExCutPoint? Well, whatever it may be, you know, there's a lot of unknown for all this stuff and it's, it's, you know, years. I don't even think we could get it done in, in two years, but that, and that's just more of an example. And the example, you know, shining a light that, hey, the room is changing a little bit, right? Like we're starting to all just kind of think a little bit more, how do we make it better for the top players? Because we kind of all have come to realization that like if it's good for them, it's gonna be really good for us too.

In that regard, then, some of the leverage, quote unquote, leverage that has been obtained from other leagues is working. And I would totally agree with that. Of the one thing, you know, one, I guess, positive that has come out of this is that, yes, we have, you know, we, I, PGA, tour players, more top players have had more leverage to get things done probably faster than it would have done before. But I mean, back to fill, like, yeah, sure. We all, you know, 45 tournaments a year, 72 holds a stroke play, wrap around year, sure.

I mean, that's, but that's what we're dealing with right now. Yep. You don't think that these people that, you know, work for the PJ tour aren't looking into other ways to make this shit better. I mean, some of the, the leverage has been nice, sure. But a lot of these changes that I think he's taking credit for in my three years, we've already seen that these were going to change anyway. More money being added from a new TV deal was going to hit the purses no matter what.

It may be the communications, that's my theory. The communication is a lot more clearer now and maybe they're being pretty upfront and like like here's what we're doing for you right here But I think it's more in line with this is the first year of a brand new TV deal and it's going up every year for the next nine from what I've gathered So even cornfair is getting more money. Yeah, like and everyone I was like, well, they're There's putting in an extra 40 million in the pip and whatever like why can't the cornfair You just get a little more it's like well if you and I don't know if you can pay attention to that or if people actually know that, but yeah, it's, I think our minimum purse last year was five 50. I think this year it's at least six 50.

And I think the plan is to go to 800 and then a million. Like in the next year, it should be like, well, I think it's 20, 25. It should be everything is a million dollars on the court. And like, so like they are doing this and you can't just think it's 2025, it should be everything is a million dollars on the court. They are doing this and you can't just implement it and say, hey guys, next week, all this happens. There is a series, even I was on the corn fairy pack for two years, three years, whatever it was.

Yeah, why aren't we on it together? I'm trying to remember. There's a lot of fuzzy things. But to me, tournaments. Yeah, but like, for us to get anything changed, we have to come to an agreement. And then we send it to we had one guy that sits on the board and we go to him and then he goes to the PGA tour, he goes to that board. And then they have to vote on it there. Like, we changed from money to points while I was on the pack. And that was like a huge deal for us of like a decision that we're gonna make that seems to be more beneficial

to everyone and it went through. And I think it's a great thing, but just to get that done takes a long time. It's not like you say, all right guys, and two weeks, we're just gonna make this point because this is a way better idea. You have to go through all the, jump through all the hoops to actually make it come with fruition.

Whether or not that can be streamlined, it probably should be a little easier to get things done. But you started that with, well, well, you know, $40 million PIP is now $50 million PIP. Anybody that says like, well, pumped that into the corn fray tour. Bro, that's what they're doing. That's what it's like.

You do not, if you do not have the top players in the game, right? And the PIP is solely designed to basically pay 10 people to continue to play the PGA tour. Yeah, line the pockets. Keep them happy. If they're not there, this TV deal that has all this new money for us, some of that money is going to the corn fairy tour. So if we don't make them happy, PIP or otherwise, all these new bonus programs that we're doing

are going up and up and up. Then the corn fairy tour, it's going to be back. You're going to be playing for a quarter million dollars. And that's where it seems like the changes that have come. All right. The PIP is there. The Comcast business toward top 10. Thanks.

Come on. He's going up. Elevator events going up. But also the play 15 thing is is you know, it's 50K per player. If you play 15 events, that's not enormous. But it's basically for 15 events that should come close to covering your cost for those events. No.

No. Like I would. Yeah. I mean, I think I'd roughly go five to eight a week. And that some weeks or more for the players that aren't getting pip, like that is, it's not great. It's obviously not the same payoff, but like there's different things that are being done for each class of player. And that should now we'll get into a, all the pip and all this. If that doesn't, if the play 15 doesn't continue to grow as well, you know, maybe not as exponentially as all these other things are, then, then that's

an issue. Yeah. Then, you know, we feel like we've been bamboozled and to throw it into the top guys. No, no, no, no, you got it. Yeah. Because there are going to be got, I mean, there's probably, I don't know, roughly three three hundred fifty different guys will play the PJ tour. But I mean, if you have a PJ tour card this year,

and there's a lot of people that do, there's probably 50, maybe 50's too high. I'd say 25 to 30 guys that will lose money this year, which is as a PAC member, I think that's bullshit. It's a problem. That's a problem. You have, and a lot of these guys have worked countless years, much like I did, you know,

much like a lot of us have to get to the tour and then you get there and sure, you know, you didn't perform your best and engulf you eat what you kill. But that's starting to change. So it should kind of, and hopefully in five, ten years, if you're playing the PJ tour, there's some sort of bonus structure too. If you go out and miss every cut, you're not going to lose money. That's pretty damn cutthroat. It's easy to sit back as a fan and be like, that's bullshit.

That's too, you know, it's padded to come out. It feels on the surface, it feels like it's a handout. But in reality, you put so much into it to reach that top level that you should be compensated. In some sort of way, I'm not saying, I make a million, $1 million check. You get, no, like you, you should get something because you don't have any other option at that point. That's not after play 15s four. I mean, is that exactly.

And that was Kevin Kisner pretty much. I mean, we get in that room and we're the only thing that's being discussed is pip pip pip pip. Top 10 top players in the world and it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. We've got to also, if we're going to start rewarding people for something other than performance on course, which is the only thing we've ever rewarded people for. We need to reward everyone for it.

Is Pip, is it 10th getting 3 million, 11th getting zero? Does that seem odd to you? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, again, like, I mean, there's been many iterations of the FedEx cup, obviously. Yeah. I feel like something like blend of is going to change a little bit over time. Yeah. Yeah. Something a little more blended should, it just feels like it's a harsh cut off, right? Well, we all saw the list, too. Like, obviously Colin is 11th. Yeah. So Colin says that he's 11th. As we've heard, we don't know.

We don't know. We don't know. Colin is the only one that knows that too. So, yeah, he's probably 11th. But, you know, guy like Colin Morecone, probably should be rewarded, you know? I had a conversation earlier this week. It's like number two in the world, major WGC probably should be in your top 10.

Two majors. Yes. It's pretty. Batures. That's what I was like, oh, Bubba's one, two majors. That's how he got 10th and oh shit. What? I and I looked at the metrics and I granted I don't understand.

And maybe you can fill a sense. I like what is tough? How does Bubba get there? Right. What what was like? I forgot. How does Bubba get there? Right. What was like, I forgot. Is he relevant in terms of, I mean, Bubba's not playing the players championship this week either. Really?

Yeah. Is it because, well, do you think I'm a, this could be speculation. And I don't know if this is proper to say, but do you think his involvement with the Saudi has anything to do with that? It could be. I don't know. I can't believe recruiting.

Well, yeah, I'm. I did not know he was not playing players. Can you pull up his, I think I saw an Instagram something or from him that like he and his family are on spring break for the next couple weeks. Look forward to seeing you at Valspar. And I thought that was odd that he would not play the interest. Yeah. I mean, I'm assuming he finished top 125 last year. Yes, he did. He did. Okay. I was going to say, I don't remember. Yeah, he would have.

Well, you never know. There's only been a few guys that are like make it to East Lake and then don't know. You never know. There's, there's only been a few guys that are like make it to East Lake and then don't keep their card. Yes. Excited to be heading back to Valspar in two weeks, almost as excited as Caleb and Dakota who are ready for spring break and a kickball rematch with our RV friends on PGA tour, spring break, hashtag spring break, hashtag. Well, I guess I don't know if that's case. That doesn't really say whether or not he's not playing this week. How about Ted Scott getting the win? Ted Scott seems to have been a little game changer for Scott.

Yeah, which I know we, we, this isn't exactly a recap podcast this week, but we probably didn't talk enough about Scotty truly, truly making the leap. Anyways, but back to the, above is in the field, on the field is for this week. Okay. Okay. All right. So then never mind that. My speculation is not correct either. but back to the pub is in the field on the field is for this. Okay. All right. They never buy that. My speculation is not correct either. And it wasn't really like his Saudi involvement

or his potential Saudi moment. I just thought it was. So he scrolled through that. He was 23rd and Google mentions 30 second and meltwater mentions 51st and Nielsen 3rd and Q score and number one MVP index. So I think Hittok might have a big deal. Like he gets a lot of views on TikTok.

I don't I don't have that platform. He, you know, posted a video of him flying first class to Saudi Arabia with I'm flying first class. He does a lot of that stuff. We see Matt again. He flies. He does TikTok. Oh, yeah.

Are you on TikTok here? No. No. My girlfriend will send me TikToks. And I, I don't even know. I think the reals in like my wife says, we're in this room. If a buddy sends a TikTok, I have to like drag a puzzle piece into the thing. And then half the time it doesn't even go the whole way through. And I'm like, I don't understand this one.

But I think the overall, like, we probably didn't get the pip correctly. It's the first time around, but it is probably also serving its purpose. And guys that may or may not have entertained the idea of going playing somewhere else. Maybe that, maybe that, you know, aids in them staying here which helps all of us every born fairy tour include that's I think that's maybe why I was so upset about it was the fact that if they go If a lot of them go in the pj tour kind of ceases to exist and the trajectory that it's on as we know it yeah for everyone else that ruins Professional golf. Yeah, in the, that ruins professional golf. Yeah. In the way that fractured professional golf would suck.

Yeah, it would be awful. And I think that's why I was like pretty passionate about it. And like, disagreeing with everyone that wanted to do it, being a money grab, whatever. But it just, it ruined it for everyone that wasn't there. How much, how familiar are you with any updated proposals, a recent proposal from the PGL, or is that any of that reached? That's the one that I don't know.

I don't know a whole lot about Saudi either. They never obviously approached me, but I have heard from individuals that have listened to what they have to say about their, you know, proposal for the two or a half. Proposal for the two or a half. Proposal for the two or a half. Proposal for the two or a half. about their proposal for the 2014, about whatever it is, big money, big purses. I don't know a whole lot about the PGL. I know that their goal is to have it be in conjunction with the PGA tour and have some sort of system where you play onto it and you can work your way off of it. And then the like shared equity piece is I think a something that if this continues to,

you know, gain steam, we'll create another threat, right? That, hey, if some of these guys can kind of own some parts of this league, you know, maybe that's enticing for them to leave. But that I'm super curious to see how that meanders through the protocols of the PGA tour or whatnot. Well, and it'll be interesting to see what the tour's response is to that, because obviously they need to protect the organization,

right, and they may view that as a threat to the entirety of the organization. So that usually would mean, don't answer the phone, don't do, we don't want to hear from the gym. We're gonna try to, but then on the flip side, if it is in conjunction with the PGA tour and it's not gonna fracture the tour or golf, which, and you won't know

until it gets started and goes, it's a risk that you take. If it is more along that line, then the PJ tour has a location. We need to answer the call because that benefits not even the guys that leave that benefits every single one of us. Yes.

So that's where it gets interested. Yeah, I think it's a long shot, but I think it is, some interesting conversations to be had. And from what I've gathered, the conversation, like there is nothing off the table in terms of what the PJ tour may or may not do in coming years. There's no structure changes that are off the table. Yes. As of right now, it seems to be that that is exactly the path that we're going. It's just whether or not we can kind of all come to an agreement enough to appease everybody within the organization. That's all the players. I mean, every single

one of them has to be thought of. And, you know, in theory, they should all be heard from, you know, that's the pack is designed. So guys can come to me with their grievances, or they can go to the tour. They don't have to just come to me, but share there and then I have to take that into the room. I mean, I have to, well, so and so, you know, brought up a good point here. And it's hard, too, because we are, we're all so individual,

none of us want to be bothered when we're playing golf tournaments, but we're all together when we're playing golf tournaments. I think all of us need to collectively do a better job of speaking with one another and not just going rogue and trying to leverage whatever it is, leagues, anything. Like we can all speak to each other, like grown-ass men and come to agreements amongst ourselves because, oh shit, yeah, we actually control what goes on around here.

To, you know, almost 90% of it. And then some of the shit that we don't control, we don't want control of. Yeah. Like, we are never going, no union, like none of that nonsense, because then we gotta go and negotiate with host organizations, everything,

to have them pay the purse, like none of that stuff, but we can all do a much better job of communicating with one another. Like, we're out there playing golf. Yeah, maybe do it off the T-box where the microphones are something, but like, hey, man, had you heard the thought, you heard the new proposed structure and all this, you got any, I mean, there's 144 of us most weeks,

you know, you got any idea of, and most of us are pretty smart. I wouldn't put myself in the smart category, but most of us are actually really, really smart. Got any idea of how that would work? What, you know, is anything, there are red flags in it for you? Like, the problem is the tour throws all this shit out there,

they try to communicate it their best, and then none of us talk to each other about it. No, my agent's talking to his son and those agents. Those guys, I love my agent, everybody loves their agent, but those guys have to feed their family too. Like we need to make these decisions ourselves because we are the ones in charge of ourselves. That was the big irritation with Phil.

Phil, stop. If you had sat, if you were in the room with us the last three years, I think he has sat on our player advisory council, you know, forever ago. If you were in the room with us and you brought this shit up, we could have done it right then and there. We could have fixed it right then and we can change rules, right then and there, whatever we want to do. It's just whether or not it's a good idea for all the members. If you were in the room, or you ever sat and player dining, or you ever talked to somebody

like a normal human being and asked their thoughts on some things, and then gave your opinions on other things, and then came, you know, how to debate, came to a conclusion about something. This would have been fine. A lot of this stuff was, and I think you probably would have realized, I'd give my mouth shut, a lot of this stuff was, and I think he probably would realize, I'd give him a mouth shut. A lot of these things are already changing. Very higgs for president. Seriously. I mean, I've always thought he has a great name.

It could be that part of a job. To be a president. Well, and that's where I, you know, the numbers that are being thrown out and the idea of giving the tour this quote unquote, personal, like calling the tour something other than it being you players is where I'm so confused. Like I get it, but it makes it sound like that PGA tour executives are hoarding a pile of cash down in the data underneath the data lake.

I can guarantee you they're not. So if you say in there's $20 billion in digital assets or you know, all this media rights stuff or any of that, it seems. I'm so here, okay, media rights stuff or any of that. It seems. I'm so here. Okay, media rights. Here's the big issue. Phil, would you like to or anybody, but I guess Phil has mentioned it.

So we'll go with Phil. Phil, would you like to control your own media rights? Yes, I would. Okay, well now Phil, here you go. You got to hire people to get them out there, all this stuff. But think of it now Phil, you have just lessened the product for everybody else. Everybody.

So now all of your fellow contemporaries are, and it's absolutely feels right to do that if this was, you know, this is a hypothetical, but if this was something that would be considered, it's absolutely his right to go take them, make Udels a Money and hurt everybody else. I truly don't think, I mean, they're probably at some point in the next decade will be some sort of qualifier to where

you can, you know, do media rights this, this, and this. This is a space I really don't know a whole lot about, but those that want to take them or control them lessen the product for everybody else. Now there's new TV deal, this shiny new TV deal that gets the players championship Perst of 20 million gets the corn fairy purses in three years hopefully to a million Well, that's all got to go away. We got to redo how we do it less money for everybody else now because so and so one of their media rights and Look, this is again golf is kill what you eat or eat what you kill. Yeah, he would you kill and that's fine I don't have I don't have any part of them with anybody getting more money. I am absolutely of the thought that the top players in the world are under compensated for what they bring to events. But it's been this way for a

long time. Doesn't mean things shouldn't change or tweak. I hate the, well, that's the way we've always done it. That's the worst fucking answer in the world. But maybe just take a second and think of that, maybe just even the hassle that it would be for you to get these meteorites out there. And if Phil's the only one that takes them, then we can probably just bully him out of him being worth anything anyway. And it's, all right, well, we'll just get rid of his and now we can use everybody else's, right? And the tours are already doing things.

Again, they have many programs that I lifted my shirt up in Phoenix. He did. In case anybody forgot. Can I quit tidbit? I got a text from a buddy during this and he said, he would ask Harry if I can have one of his chest hairs to keep slash frame. Been on my bucket list since he enjoyed tour up 16 at Waste Management. I don't know how. Send his address and said, I'll cover shipping.

How do you ship that? I don't know. We can figure that out. Yeah. But like, so I did that. And there are avenues that are being worked on to be put in place to where that I can sell, I think it was this NFT deal, which is still I don't know anything about, I can sell something, some sort of digital asset and partner with the tour and make money off flesh and my titties. Well, I will buy. How in the world is the PGA tour not doing,

you're like not doing a good enough job for everybody, right? They are doing their best. It is an organization that is literally just organized to funnel us money. That's the whole thing. And they are, they are working day and night to funnel as many of us as possible, especially top players as much money as possible. They're doing a great job.

Sure. If somebody wants guaranteed money and wants to go play in another league, that's fine. Go ahead and do it. But don't air out all this most of it fake dirty laundry on the tour and hurt the overall product and hurt your fellow contemporaries. I'm quite, I mean, I know everybody at RIV, I'm really fucking tired of it. I mean, it's nonsense. Stop doing it. You're hurting everybody. And we've seen how it also hurts your individual too. Yeah, that's well said. I mean, it, I don't, it's like all the takes I had were just, we all think more, it means a lot more coming from you. I'm interested in, you know, is there any way that Phil's gonna twist us into, you know, this, this thing you're talking about flashing your titties for money?

Okay, wait, it's a real sentence. It was just so, this podcast, but, is that like something that Phil's gonna be like, see, I'm takingies for money. Okay, we have a real sentence. It was just some podcast, but is that like something that feels good to be like, see, I'm taking credit for that. That was my idea to do NFTs of these highlights. Or, you know, is the tour sitting on a ton of money in digital highlights that they're not getting the most out of? Is that a fair critique? That could certainly be the case, sure.

And I would say that would more than like, again, this is a space I know so little on, but my opinion is that it probably has been like that for a long time. Sure. But shit's changing, right? And they may be sitting on it, but they don't know what to do with it. Well, but so sitting on it is a little different than like when you take it to these, are your media partners and you say you have access to all of this shit, all of these highlights plus the live golf, people pay more.

So they're not sitting on it, right? They're using all this stuff to leverage popular word nowadays. These media, they're media partners to give them more money. Gotcha. And it's not like they're actively doing it. And they're not using these media shots of you and lining their pockets. It's not like they're getting that right now. That money goes to the tour players. Yeah. It's not like they're just secretly doing this and be like,

oh, I just made a million off a hairy flashing. Yeah. And that's not happening. So there's no that there's nothing anywhere that says that I can't have Well, I have there's a limit on how many logos I can have eight, but we don't have to we don't have to play in blank shirts Right, so all those highlights all that this great platform they provide if you want to go do the work or you know Your agent wants to go do the work go tattoo this stuff all over you and you can line your pockets that way yep It's a and they get yet. You're so how is it, you know, how is this bad? How is this? Yes.

100% there are things that are still in need of change. Absolutely. But most of the things that have been brought up in the last couple of weeks were already in the process of changing. And yes, sometimes change takes too slow between players and PGA tour, right? It just does but It's it's coming. It's all gonna everything's all everything's gonna be fine and everybody's gonna have enough money to feed their family, right? It's

It's it's it's driven me nuts and I really hardly ever talk about it, but a lot of the guys I'm sure that get interviewed and get asked questions about this stuff that had no interest in doing this is I can imagine how annoying it is. Just taxing, it's just draining. It's draining, and we talk about it every week. I wouldn't even really plan it on talking about this. We can tell you said you were coming to the go,

I don't know if that's correct. I'll tell you what that's, because he's gonna talk about flashing titties and make him money off that. But did you you get fine for that? I was good read asset Are you going to no no no first call was? And it wasn't even well, I'm not gonna be an escape in a landscape call I just I want to know I'm a man man scapes, you know, because maybe in the works

I mean, there's another thing I can benefit off for sure off of myself. There's already interest there. And there's actually been interest there, you know, for a couple years with with my counterpart that was also on the whole with me at the time. He's the best too. So actually really good Joel stories anyway, but save those for later date. But no, the, the, the fine, right? They called me Monday after.

And I wasn't even really like, hey, you know, you shouldn't. It was just kind of like catching up with an old friend for a little bit. And then it's like, yeah, you know, we're gonna, we'll review this, but, you know, expect a small monetary fine. And I was like yeah, yeah

Pretty well prepared for that Yeah, that makes sense. Well accept. I know that I should not have done what I did and it wasn't even like you know You know you do better, you know, and I think that's you know, I've been out here for three years right? I think this was unexpected in that arena, nothing's really unexpected, but it's just like, you know, never again, please. And the individual I spoke to said, like, look, we loved it. I mean, it was, it was great. It's entertaining.

It is. It's a job of being in this kind of yard. We all are. But, you know, expect a small monetary fine. And then, I think Joel did an interview with Colt or something and kind of whispered that we are getting fine And then they kind of backed off of it some way somehow again They were to an outrage if you would have but again

But it makes sense could have been warranted. Yeah, but we had some good ideas had it Come to the point where we needed to write a check match for charity. yeah. Well, and yeah, and the money goes to charity, right? Yes, and that was the thing. They actually would have, yeah, would have been Monday night. They called me in Tuesdays the player, the player advisory council. And I'm like, so how's this work? Should I just like bring my checkbook?

Just a blank check. As long as you guys, like, you just find, you know, we go through whatever channel, we, you know, this is a note you can write it for charity and then, but now later in the week, they actually called me again. It was like, we're just going to warn you guys. And it's like, okay, I mean, I was actually a little irritated that they didn't find me because that was Riv Week.

And I think we somehow I flashed my titties, Joel took a shirt off and the tours around like a lot of people. He's probably exactly. But come, I think Wednesdays, all this Saudi golf kind of come Wednesday. Joel and I had all the leverage in the world. Someway somehow. And I was trying to convince them, basically to convince them to continue to find it, like continue down this path and find us.

And then we're gonna publicize this shit out. No funny all this. We're gonna raise so much money for charity. And you know, basically to pay our fine, but we were just gonna pay it ourselves because we fucked up, we'll pay. And then my, the immediate thought was, me, Joel and the commissioner,

T-shirts that look like your shirtless picture, raise money, and it was probably either clothing or breast cancer or awareness. Boom, done. You guys do not look like the fun police anymore. It looks like you're hilarious. You're in with it. And I was actually irritated because I finally had one good idea

that I was going to be able to execute on. And all I needed them to do was find it. What was it? Oh, man. That was beautiful. It really was. It was a spectacular moment. Immediately regretted that I did it.

Then a little clip of Honda when you walk by and the guy flash you, like, that's why I didn't want to do it. That is the exact reason. I got deal, I shouldn't have done it. I did not want to do it. I regret that I did it. But it's incredible what you'll do when 30,000 people, I mean, this was a thing on Saturday.

I get paired with Keith and he's like, texting me Friday night, we get the text about our pairing, he's like, what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? I was like, I don't know, well, well, it's just, what are we gonna do on 16? And I think that's a text that a lot of guys send, especially if you make the weekend

you're playing with the buddy and Saturday. You're the thing, that'd be fun. Saturday, Saturday, well, I shot 76, it wasn't that fucking fun. Um, and so I get in that morning, we see the same trainer. Me, Keith and Joel see the same trainer. Edward Bolt. And Bolt had fun with it.

He posted like an Instagram of the two of us. And it's just like bodies by Bolt. It's me and Joel, which, you know, we both take pretty good care of our golf bodies. But after that, you know, maybe not that great overall. But I saw, I was all, I saw a bolt before Keith. I went in there and I had like kind of whispers, he's got to talk about me out whenever I'm just gonna go putt.

So I go out and putt and Keith meets me out there. He's like, hey bro, I got eight grand raised to pay the fine. You take your shirt off on 16. Only you? Yeah, me. Fuck no. I'm not doing that. Like, why would I ever do that? And just all day long, all take your shirt off on 16. Only you, yeah me, fuck no. I'm not doing that. Like, why would I ever do that? And just all day long, all day long, all day long. And I'm making bogies everywhere.

And we get to 16 and he hit first and then looked over at me and I'm still like, no, don't, don't even, don't bring that shit up, no. So that day finishes and then I'm, you know, one of you said it to Colt though, on to it was that you work Keith mentioned it. Yeah, and then I'm, you know, one of you said it to Colt though on T was it you work Keith Yeah, so yeah, and then we went over Colt. It said Colt would call us Friday before hey, we're gonna be there Come, please come over and say something to us and

Keith it and then went over to see them and then I hit it on the green But mile away from the hole and I went over there to see them and then I so I had it in my head right They've been asking for this shit all day long, Max Homa, who's, you know, he was all over it. You need to do it, you need to do it. I need to do it. So I went over to Cole, did it, you know, said whatever I said, and instead of if I make that put,

I'm probably gonna take my shirt off. But that was more, and I honestly, I probably would have in front of all those people on the Saturday. On the Saturday. That day is like nothing in this world. In the entire sporting world, that day is unbelievable. So fast forward, I sign my card for 76 and go home

and have a cocktail and... I look at the leaderboard, I'm like, oh shit, I'm in 65th and Joel's name is right next to me. And how it shook up, and then the text comes and it's just me and Joel. Charlie Hoffman and Peter Mollnotti are behind us. We, you know, it's a two-some, T-and-off ten. And then I get a little Twitter notification

like an hour later, it's like this fucking guy. I mean, he's already put you all by us. Yeah, if this gets enough greed tweets, Harry will take a short haul. 10,000 likes or something. I saw it and I was like, oh, oh, man. Like, like, like, like, like, like. But he didn't put a number to it. So he was like, and then I saw it. I was like, oh, but he liked it. Like, like, like, like, but he didn't put a number to it.

So he was like, and then I saw him, we both go see Bolt in the morning, and we're talking about it. I'm like, dude, fuck off. I'm not doing this. No, no, no, no, no. He's like, I'm like, why did you tweet this? I'm like, why didn't you give it a number?

Like, it's, no one will think that it's gonna be the thing. And it's, also we go over there and tee off on 10. And I hit it in the fairway heaths in the fairway and on the walk down, four people. Did it get off re-tweets? Did it get off re-tweets? It's 10 fairway, 10 green. Like every single stop that we made people are just yelling at. God damn you, Joe. I'm still like, no, and anybody that,

if I could hear them or I could talk to them safely, I'd be like, nope, it didn't, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it. And we get to 16 and we tee off, we're both like, you know, go ahead, make noise, we tee off and go, and we're walking down, and then it starts. And everybody's like, I think the first one

was show some skin, show some skin, and Joel's over there going, you know, make them a roof, louder, louder, and I'm like, I'm giving it to no, no, no, I'm flipping them off the entire time. And then it's continued, continued, continued. And I hit it over the green.

I hit a good shot, but I hit it over the green. And I can buy things like, no, I ain't fucking chip on this. I'll give me the putter, putter it. It actually burned the edge. I don't, I actually, I think I would have kept my clothes on had that one gone in the hole, maybe. But it burns the edge and goes like 10 feet.

Joel had 12 feet and left it. Sure, sure. Sure. And then they started booning them. I'm going like this. Yeah. Like, all right, they forgot about what they were saying earlier. And he taps in and then I'm going to like put my ball down, you know, and I hear it.

And it's just like, take it off, take it off. So you shit me like I'm still going to go through my teen and hit this putt and they never once stopped. And I swear to God that I think it was 10 feet 5 inches, whatever it was. I swear, they were a whole time, they're just chanting take it off the whole time. No one's being quiet, obviously. It's 16th, Scottsdale, no one's quiet at all. As soon as I hit it, I knew it was in and I swear to God the ball took two minutes.

It was like, are you gonna do it? I'm not gonna do it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no the whole deal. And I was like, in that moment, I was like, I fucking hate you, Joel. But good man that you did not let me do the shit. And then I lost all control. I was like, run it around, jump in. I think I flashed. It was a flash jump. It was special. It really was. It was. I remember I was going to have that point. I turned, I had turned around and saw Joel. And he was doing this, and this, and this. And then the first beer comes.

And it's right at him. And he like, step, it was gonna, it was gonna fall like five yards short of him. And he like ran on the green to try to catch it. And I was like, oh shit. And I'm running around like looking up. Oh my God, oh my God, am I gonna get hit? No, no, no, no.

And that's a, that's a bad thing. We, you know, that was a little dicey. Yeah, yeah, plastic cups next year and everything's fine. Yeah, somebody can get like severely hurt and that's not something that should be laughed at. But the entire scene should be left at, obviously that we created. And I guess the Netflix people were following us.

Al, Al and Gina were mic'd up and they were there for the whole thing. And I can't remember who it was. I one of the Netflix guys, we get in the tunnel, you know, 16 green to 17 T. And one of the next look guys came up to his after was like, ah, this is great. So, but I will spoil just the fraction of it. One of the Netflix guys was like, I never thought when we signed up for this, that at one point on the golf course, I would hear one of the players that we were following say, like, oh, shit, I gotta put my clothes back.

I guess Joel had like ran off shirtless and was like, oh, I gotta put my clothes back. What would have happened if you would have caught the beer chugged it? Because like, you don't want the pip. Like, I just kept seeing like when Sam makes the whole one and people are trucking beers like how hard is that not to just be like taking the whole one. Yeah, like, uh, I think Joel took a sip. Yeah, no, the fine. I thought they were going to call and just totally gloss over the fact that we were I

flashed in Joel was shirtless. I thought they were going to get us to like, Joel, we thought we saw you maybe take a sip of a beer. And then Harry, you were flipping Joel off the entire time to get to find out. Like, you can't do that on TV. And then again, at that point, I'm like, yeah, it's fair. Yeah, we know. Yeah, sorry. Oh, this is a credible story. That was great. That's like what, it was just, it was a genuine smile watching it. Like, how are you not laughing? How do you not just, and the tour actually posted it too, which was like, we got onto the

second tee. We played 17, 18, and then we finally got over to one, which is like, oh, thank God. We got to the second tee and I guess Al, Al got his phone out to like see what was going on. And Al just said to Gina was like, yep, Instagram and Twitter. And we all knew like, oh shit, they put that up up there. Yeah, oh, and then in that moment we're like, yeah, we're probably not gonna get fined.

And then by the end of the day, it was like, no, we got to go. I still should. Yeah. Oh God, it was like, no, we've got to still shoot. Yeah. Oh God. It's a hilarious. I hope you're not only known for that in the future. Well, that was also the reason why I didn't want to do it.

And I've told Keith, my big reason to Keith was if I could win the Masters this year, and I'd still be the guy that took a shirt off. And I am going to do my best to make sure that I can find out, you know, win the master this year and see if they remember me as the master's champion or the guy that took a shirt off. But yeah, I'm a giant.

But yeah, I'm a giant. But yeah, I'm a giant jacket ceremony with nothing underneath. Yeah, that's where it's at. If you win the master's champion, you can take your shirt off. So I'm a giant jacket. That's okay, no.

I'm a giant jacket. I'm a giant jacket. I'm a giant jacket. I'm a giant jacket. I'm a giant jacket. I'm a giant jacket. I'm a giant jacket. I'm a giant jacket. I'm a giant jacket. I'm a giant jacket. I'm me that jacket, I'll probably ask whether or not I have to wear a shirt underneath it.

When do you start thinking about masters? You got there through your T4 last year at PGA, right? Did you know T4 got you, yeah, you knew the whole time. The whole time. I thought I got me into every major. I did too. Yeah, I was a little surprised about that. But obviously, clearly get you PGA. Yeah, the PGA was, I think it's top 15 finishers invited next year. Yeah, immediately. I mean, do you're playing the whole back nine? Are you thinking

about the golf tournament, the major championship they need to get contention of or you're thinking about trying to qualify for another one? Yeah, I remember catching a leaderboard on maybe 12. I was like, shit, I'm in sixth like like this is, all right, cool. These guys are kind of struggling. And I kept going and going and going. Yeah, chop, so I can't wait to win. I mean, come on. Just place it in your fight. And this place is so easy.

Like, what are you guys doing? That's obviously a lie. And then I caught another leaderboard on 15, and I was in third, and I was like, oh, shit. Like, definitely got a really good chance to the Gus and then, you know, the final four holes, I was like, I need to make one birdie and I'm for sure in the masters.

And I hit a horrid wedge on 15 and got it up and down and then drove it in the middle of 16 fairway and they moved the tee up and I got some between like five and six iron into this part five and I remember being like Fuck the masters. I could win this I get this thing up and down for three and Phil hits it on the beach a couple times like I win. This is it um and I made par on 16 so then it was back to

So then it was back to hide. Yeah, I was doing. No, I had, I had probably six, seven feet for par on 18. And I actually, as much crap as I give my brother for letting me do some of the, you know, silly stuff I do on the golf course. Yeah, that's definitely his fault. Yeah, yeah, sure. But I can't, but as a tour pro, I, you can't make it. Of course. He read, he gave, I had like six feet, six eight feet for par.

I went on and felt like every hole and I made every single one of them. He helped me on every read that entire back nine, which he rarely does. Not that he doesn't, but I just don't ask. And I called him in on 18. And I was like, gosh, this looks like it's like left edge, left center, you know, no speed. He goes, he doesn't, he didn't say I think, he goes, this putt, it's gonna fall left at the hole.

And I was like, oh boy. And then he left. And it was just like, okay, I've got a six seven footer to get into the masters. I don't know what it does. Let's just go with Al's read. And it was right center. And as soon as I hit it, it looked like it was going to stay out on the right.

No, I was just going to lose it. And it just fell right into the hole. It's like, damn it. Call out. Damn, that he was right. But hell yeah. And I joke. I jokingly say like, I picked his read.

So if he was wrong, it wasn't my fault. It's true though. Yeah. No, I knew. I knew that putt, and I didn't, I knew it had a great chance because those holes are so hard, and I was in third at the time. I cleaned my locker up and got out of there real quick to watch Phil made a cocktail at home,

turned a golf on, and I was like, oh, shit, I'm still in third. There's two people beating me. They've got six holes left. I can't drink this drink. Yeah, these guys make a whole make a couple of boats. I got to go back and warm up.

But yeah, it would have been loose. Oh, I wouldn't be less. Yeah. Great. Fantastic. Great finish and got me into, you know, the mecca of golf. Have you played Augusta? We've played it twice now.

Yeah. I took my dad and my brother early December, which is you cannot. I'm going to do it in, you know, disservice by trying to attach words to the experience that we all felt, the three of us together in our, you know, great host member. And then I actually went there this last Tuesday with my brother and my coach with Corey. So again, same thing. Like, you cannot, I can't describe it. You cannot, you cannot describe it. And it's been the two trips that I've made have more been like, I mean, I was already made two trips too. So, you know, his loss luster. But the first trip with

he and my dad, that was the first time that ever been on the grounds and they're playing the golf course. You know, you don't even really pay attention. It's just like, God, this is so cool for them, right? I don't even really realize that this is cool for me. And I think the majority of my juice and like holy shit, this is cool, is obviously just gonna be reserved for that week. But yeah, we've enjoyed two trips there. I'd like to make one or two more before I get there,

just to help you with the tournament or just to go visit. I think just to go. I mean, at some point point I need to like, but I mean, you walk around and you can see, the shots are not as difficult because it's not as firm and fast. But you can see it's like, oh, whoa, leave it short of the flag on five. Like, that's going to be a fun lag, you know. And I think I can do all the work necessary that Monday to Wednesday to get ready.

And everybody that I've talked to, you know, they said, just do your best not to wear yourself out because it's a hard place to leave. That's the only advice. You can learn things about the course, yeah, yeah. But if you hit good shots, you're gonna shoot good scores. Your dad love it.

Yeah. Your dad's awesome. I played with Harry, 2015 maybe, and Kansas City. He lives on the golf course and his dad was our walking score. And his dad, Harry and his dad are, they're twins.

First of all, I missed out on you. I've met Harry's dad because I saw him at RSM. I was like, oh, that's Harry's dad. How about to go talk to him? Holy cow, that's what Harry's, that's what Harry's gonna like, oh, that's Harry's dad. I'm gonna go talk to him. It's like, holy cow, that's what Harry's, that's what Harry's gonna be. Like, it's a spinning image.

And I'm like, oh my gosh, like, there's few, some people like look like their parents, you are going to be your dad. And not just be him, but I'm like, a pure, it's, I think I might be losing my hair. But personality, you know, like you guys, it was fun. It was a fun week.

It's, it's, your mom's so sweet. She's great. Like, she hasn't, she hadn't been yet. You know, and I did think you get rounds at Augusta where you can go play without a member, take a club, Ketting, you just have a guest walk around. And that would probably be more my mom's speed, but it's a hard walk.

And I don't know that she'd even really be interested in that. She's never been. My dad's now, you know, Mr. Augusta knows everything about everything. I cannot wait to see her reaction to that, right? I mean, just amazing. It's not going to be a little hill. It's like, it's kind of helped to, for you, like, have it, let's just say out of the way, like the turn, the golf course experience out of the way, that way you're showing up to play the tournament.

Yeah, play nine hole, you don't need to play 18. No, I'm not, yeah, well not playing. I mean, it is a walk physical walk. I mean, you walk all up and down that place and then you drive it in the middle 18 fairway on that upslope, like holy cow, uh-uh. I am not gonna get through this. Like I got to slap this thing up there somehow.

Like it, and yes, you're aided tournament week with all the adrenaline, but I can't, I'm already thinking about just like how tired I'm gonna be when I get home after every day. Yeah. It's just, you gotta do your best to like recover kinda sorta, but again, I don't think it really matters because I think when you wake up,

you're like, I cannot wait to go back out there. So it's going to be awesome. It'll be a great week. Well, we eventually do go get you guys out of here. But what would you do this past weekend? We up to anything. Actually, yeah. So my, my week, this last week was great. I stayed, I missed a cut at Honda. I stayed and played with friend of mine from Trinity Forest, Fred for Paul's and member at Seminole. So we played the pro member together there and then got hooked up through Jimmy Dunn who was kind enough, he's kind of the king of golf

was kind enough to let Fred and I stay at his house on Sunday. Tom Brady was there. Tom Brady played in the Seminole pro member and then Fred was kind enough to kind of set me up with an Augusta member. And me, Al, and Corey, my coach went to Augusta on Tuesday. And then I flew home, had a practice just a little bit at 34s. Just because like, ah, I might as well do something before.

And then flew to O'Hoopie and played the Cobtown showdown. I think it or Cobtown shoot out at O'Hoopie on, we played practice round Thursday, played Friday and Saturday and then I paid a caddy at O'Hoopie to drive me down here to Jacksonville Saturday night. I'm a week ahead. Yeah. I mean, it was, it was beyond awesome. Excited for this week.

I mean, it's got to be. Yeah, this is a fun one. This is my mom and dad. It was beyond awesome. Excited for this week. I mean, it's gotta be. Yeah, this is a fun one. This is my mom and dad. My girlfriend will come in. A will be there. Cory comes in. And that's kind of like our house, right?

Our major championship house. And my brother's girlfriend's usually there. I don't think she's coming this week. I could be wrong, but she's more than welcome to show up. Yeah, we've had some success with all six of us in the house. And Corey sometimes as it gets a little better, he'll stay and go watch Friday, oh, go watch Saturday. Oh, go watch, oh, yeah, sure. I'll go watch Sunday. We give him shit. He was there, the PGA, obviously. And was supposed to leave, I think Thursday, I don't know, Thursday night and then I played good Thursday.

I was like, oh, stay. Supposedly Friday night, now, stay. I was supposed to leave Saturday night. No, he did leave Saturday night. And I went out and played a grade shot, 200 and make a buggy. And the first thing, I mean, he's like an older brother to Al and I.

The first thing we call him and celebrate and first thing, I say to him, I was like, what is it, one of the tournament had you stayed here Sunday? So it's just fun to have all of us in a house and enjoy this week. They take care of everything here. I mean, I registered today and they gave me a $250 gift card for the pro shop. It's like, you guys, you can get two Peter my large for that.

But maybe one quarter zip. I don't know. Don't you guys know that we're playing for 20 minutes 20 minutes. It's the little things. It is. It is. They gave me a wallet too, which I don't think I'll really use. But you know, put it on a shelf here in the assignment. Put it up. Yeah. Yeah. What we taken a while for us to get this one. What was the top story and golf for you guys this week mentioned before it came on Ryan Brim. Yeah. Absolutely. Ryan and Chelsea Brim winning in Puerto Rico. That was exactly what we should be talking

about for the entirety of this podcast. I'm a big fan of them. Obviously you are too Justin. They and it is it is truly a they they are a team. I mean Chelsea is on the road every week. You know, I think she works, you know, remotely, and we'll pick up the bag every now and again as she obviously did this week. They were extremely helpful for me on my first kind of full year on the corn fairy tour. Like just ins and outs. You know, where to stay, what to do, how best to travel there, what flight. And then we both graduated to the PGA tour and it was kind of the same flight. And then we both graduated to the PGA tour. And it was kind of the same thing.

And then God loved Chelsea. She extended that to my family as well, too. They had met a couple times on the Corn Ferry tour at tournaments. And she would see him and play her in family dining, and where you stay in. She would help my parents with flights or ideas. If I'm not renting a house, hey, this is the best hotel or the restaurant, good restaurants here. Both of those individuals are top, top class in my book and then to see Ryan do what he did when it, you know, meant the most. The man is, I know he said in his, in his, after he finished in the

interview that like, hello, Kai, I felt calm all week. We were planning on playing the cornferry to our year. And I know he'd gotten off to a good start and he's absolutely good enough to play at this level and probably would have graduated anyway. But, uh, you know, he had one more start and doesn't have to worry about that anymore. Yeah. I can't, I cannot go enough about the brims. Uh, I used to sit in player dining after Ryan would go out to warm up with just Chelsea. And Sarah would be there. And we just I'd find myself having like 25 minutes to warm up because we were just hanging out and talking. And it's fantastic to see.

It's one of those, it's like one for the good guys. Where you, you're watching it happen and and you're you're rooting so hard for him to close it out because you know like his story what he's been through and all that adds up to just this this moment where you're like you can do this do it do it do it do it and it almost feels like a not a brother. I don't know how to describe it, but someone that you were friends with, you may not see very much, but you feel like you're invested in it too. Like you're rooting so hard for it to happen

and to watch and pull it off was spectacular. I, my wife had tears in her eyes. And I, you're trying to, like, you're kind of fighting it back because you know, I've been fortunate enough to win a small event with my wife on the bag. And the moment when you, like, look at them afterwards and they are so proud of you. And I could see it in Chelsea. She's just, it's not, it has nothing to do with the two year exemption being a champion. It's just, it's their marriage. They're, she's so proud. All the work she's so proud all the work.

She's seen him go through the highs and lows and to see it pay off like that is, it's top notch. I can't goosebumps just talking about it. It's a success is a rare. Yeah. I mean, you guys put in so much and they see you so many times like even a T5 can be a bad finish and you come home upset about it or something. You get kicked down so much and he's been through a bunch and to see this, it's a bright

spot on a day of watching Bay Hill. Yeah, this is, he will. And you know, it's the, you know, this probably changed Ryan's life more than it changed Scotties. Yeah, for sure. And maybe not because now Scottty is like even further into upper echelon of all of this stuff. But like top five in the world now. Yeah, which is scary. Quick on that one, I was having lunch with Charlie Saxon who was one of Scotty's roommates at the

Cornfairy event. When we had it here at TBC, whatever that was, beginning of COVID, our first start back. And I made a, I don't remember what the wager was, but he bet me that Scotty would be, it was either top five or number one in the world, like something outrageous. And I'm like, yes, like I'm like Charlie, I get it. He's really good and he's your buddy. You play with him all the time. But it doesn't happen. But do you see who the top five players are in the world?

Yeah. Like it's probably not gonna happen. So if you're listening Charlie, we should probably settle up on that. I don't know what that was. I was texting you earlier today, but I was gonna have to change text. Yeah, that's Kudos for you for seeing that one.

I knew he was gonna be good. And now the floodgates may open. And I don't know, he could win three, four or five times. That's right. But well, you can you can circle it all the way back that we talked about is the PGA tour bad, the PGA, you know, what doesn't need to change? Sure, sure, sure. But it can change your life.

Ryan Brem went out and put on a world class performance with his wife sacrificing all that she sacrificed, his family sacrificing all that she sacrificed, his family sacrificing all that they've sacrificed. And he as a individual, a person and a golfer sacrifice, all that he has done, he went out and put on a dominant performance and the man changed his life in one week. So is all of this really that bad? Yeah. Absolutely not.

It's well said. It's the carrot. It's it's a golden carrot that dangles. And if you get it, it is he's a lifetime past champion. He is like one APG or four event forever. Can't take it away. Yeah. I mean, Tony Fino won that one. And that was his only win for a long time. And yeah, you saw obviously what he's done. And Brem has just to talk about this golf game. Brem probably gets the label of bomb and gouger, but from T.C.

From T.C. Probably so away from T.C. But it is. It is that guy now. It is. It's so impressive watching him balls. I we played Hooters tour back in the day. This is 2010, 11, 12 stuff like that.

And Brem was out there. And I just remember being blown away with it. Have a long drive contest every week. 2010, 11, 12 stuff like that. And Brim was out there. And I just remember being blown away. They'd have a long drive contest every week. And everyone get up there and swing as hard as they could and hit it whatever. And he would get up there. And it looked like he was hit in a driving range, seven iron. And it was like three, 47.

And then you're like, wow. If you're listening effortless, if you're listening now and you were going to see a lot more of Ryan Brem. Yeah, he didn't have great status. He would have played just a handful more times this year. If you go out to a golf tournament, there are still not going to be a lot of people that watch him play golf. And I don't think he really gives a damn about that. No, that's the goal of us.

Watch that man hit a driver. When in this day and age of how, oh my my god everybody moves so well and moves so fast it is the epitomately of effortless and I don't even know if power is the right word. It's Freddy couples with 40 more yards. It's Freddy. It's just Freddy with 80 more. It's and there's a gear. There's a real it's it's spectacular. Any puts well like he he this doesn't get him in the players. Oh, yes. Oh, wow. There's a real it's it's spectacular any puts well like he he This doesn't get him the players Oh, yes, yes, wow, yeah, he's coming in I cannot wait and I hope I see him tomorrow to give him a big hug Yeah, that's a hug Chelsea and like that's the side of it from this week, too, and I hope he keeps the I hope he

I hope she does and I hope he keeps the she carry bag deserves a holiday I hope he I hope she does and I hope he keeps the carry bag deserves a holiday But but you know knowing the brems she probably will right there why not they have that's I think that's why everybody loves it like they live in Traverse City They're not like jupe life like yeah, yeah have to be What they aren't and they own it in their live Traverse City. They got a little boat, a nice little house that they're redoing just they're genuinely awesome human beings and to see this is and there are there are a lot of guys that are like that but yeah, then there's something but it is to see to see and they you they didn't even know what to do when he won right like And they didn't even know what to do when he won, right? Like, just to see and know the total commitment

that it took from both of them and the sacrifices, obviously, it's, you know, it just warmed your heart. I turned around, I went out and practiced today on the back of the range and I saw he had, you know, I knew he had a big lead because I was falling along and I just, I turned that on. I've watched, I sat in front of my bag and watch Ryan Brem win the Puerto Rico open. I didn't turn on the carnage at Bayhill.

And that's probably because I do want to go back to that thing. I'm going to go there. Dead or firm. But that's, yeah, there. And there's a lot of that in Progolf that goes on. And I think that's something that's missed. And I think it may be a good thing that it's missed. Because then the two of them can just go celebrate and just come back here and kind of, recommit to each other and continue to sacrifice

for each other. It's just, it's awesome, man. It really is. And that's not taking anything away from obviously Scotty and Meredith, who I know Scotty and his wife and I know how much she sacrifices. I know how much I know his family, and I know how much she sacrifices. I know how much I know his family well.

I know how much they sacrifice. Like it takes a lot, and those are stories that, you know, I don't even know that we want told all the time. So I just don't think they are, but it's cool. It takes a lot of people. It takes a lot of people to basically just kind of give a lot of things up for you, and put a lot of faith in you and

help support you at every turn. And when you get to see it pull, you know, get to see somebody pull it off, it does. And I am not a cryer. And I didn't actually cry, but it was close. You know, you get that little, yeah, it was cool. Yeah, that's great. That's something we would not have come up with on our own I hope people I hope people listen long enough to hear that I don't know how you turn this pot over that one back to the beginning But this is what are my favorites ever so a couple things to get you guys out of here for under two hours Which I believe I'm contractly obliged to do figure that was yeah, I figured that was gonna be hard to do But it's amazing. This has been a incredible talker. I was like, I don't feel bad because you're talking.

And my mom actually listened to the pod last week. And she told me I need to stop using the word like. So every time today that I've said it, it's in my brain. So shout out mom of cubes. And I'm working working on it, mom. Yeah. Yeah. Well, definitely.

Imagine listening to this and tell me to stop cursing. Imagine 527 episodes worth of feedback of little ticks that you have. Question, P.E. Moll-Roe, was it disrespectful of Neil to get married during Mr. Palmer's tournament or wasn't in homage to the king? What do you guys think of that? I think there's a slight bit of disrespect there. I think so too. Take time.

Now, we had a wonderful weekend. Thank you to everyone that made it happen and I know the guys wanted to be here, but also are probably enjoying the weekend off. And lastly, we have to discuss this as we roll into this week. You got I won't accept any other arguments for this. The thing bangs. Okay. In the song slaps. It bangs. It slaps. Does it not? I mean, is it not fire? I mean the the first time that they try to roll it out, I was like, okay, I think this is a little bit a little bit self-serious here, and then every now and then the commercials come in,

and then it just gets me in for players. There's me with this, every commercial lead in this. I don't know. You'll hear different parts of it. You'll recognize at least part of it in here, but this is, we'll play this out. It's a banger. It's a banger. I can make sure myself winning on 18. There you go. Listening to this song with my shirt off. Oh, yeah

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