No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 534: Valspar Recap

Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. That is better than most. Better than most. from Denver, Big Randy. Hello, Big Randy. Hey guys, great to be here. Thanks for having me on your show. Damn it. I know you had to hate the paying volunteers getting dragged there near the end of the playoff. They broke the fans broke contain on 16. I know. You know, I think people love to punch down on the volunteers because they're an easy subject. But I just with with your activism,

Starting point is 00:01:06 I think we can bring awareness to this issue. And it's a fight that I have no intentions of stopping anytime soon. These paying volunteers deserve better. You look like better. You know, you were born for this, man. Exactly. This will be part of my platform.

Starting point is 00:01:23 This will be a plank of my campaign. I was born for this fight. Sam Burns wins the Valsbar. He won it with the Chromesoft X golf ball that he said, I love this ball so fast off the driver. Gives me all the shots that I need. He won it with a rogue ST triple diamond driver was number one in Strokes game off the tee this week. As of the time that this ad read was sent over. I did not double check that. He's also using the Apex U-Wood, he's using the U-Wood. You're about that.

Starting point is 00:01:50 I thought I saw that, I was like, I didn't know any pros were in the U-Wood, DJ Pi and I are strong advocates of the U-Wood. He's using the Apex TCB irons, the Calaway Jaws MD5 raw wedges, Odyssey 7S putter, and as I mentioned, the chrome soft X golf ball. Also on top of that, the on the European tour, Sean Norris one with an Odyssey V line

Starting point is 00:02:11 on and on the LPG, the ladies European tour, Georgia Hall one with a Rossi, more testament for the Odyssey, the number one putter on tour. Case, you missed it. Seven of the top nine finishers at the players last week had Odyssey putters in the bag. So stay tuned for giveaway, some details about a giveaway of the Odyssey staff bag that'll come here that we have behind us here in the studio. Also, if you missed it, San Burns was on our podcast last week, head of the players talking about being in contention and all the things we just witnessed. So that might be an interesting look back interview, if you will.

Starting point is 00:02:38 There was a lot of people asking is the bump dead? Is the bump dead? Absolutely not. It was one of those. I don't even think we called out the bump. I did once. I'd one point. I of those. I don't even think we called out the bump. I did once. I won't point. I was like, I don't know if I fall. He's great. You know, it's great week last week apart from a rough, I almost said Sunday, but it was actually more like Tuesday morning.

Starting point is 00:02:56 By the time we got to the final round of the players, but the, and then a win this week. So the bump is alive and well. Yeah. The bump is obviously alive, maybe a week early, but I also think, you know, players week was so screwy with the dates. You, you know, I think Sunday night he had the lead. If I remember right, you know, last week. So that sounds right.

Starting point is 00:03:13 He's obviously playing some of the best golf in the world. And it is kind of wild to think that he's 25 years old. I yeah, that was that caught me by surprise. I thought he's like 28. Yeah. And he will be at the pro. I mean, almost a surely now on the president's cup team, which I know you're excited about DJ.

Starting point is 00:03:28 You keep trying. So he keeps kind of beating the horse like, man, this is going to be so fun to watch the president's cup. I'm like, yeah, I mean, theoretically, yeah, I won't be watching. He's like, no, no, it's going to be so sweet. I mean, just break down what part of it's going to be sweet to you? It's going to be one of the great ass beatings of our time. But those are like, I'd like to watch Euros get their ass beat.

Starting point is 00:03:47 I don't want to watch like, you know, I'd like Leeschen came. I don't like that. I don't want to watch those guys get their ass kicked. I know, but it just let me have some. Fogish jingo is a first solid. Give me something to look forward to all the way at the end of the year. All right, I need something to get excited about here. But I thought thought Valspar man, it punches above its weight. I think with everything that happened this past week with

Starting point is 00:04:10 the players bleeding into Monday, the week could have gone very differently for them. Some of the big names could have withdrawn. You know, there's been some issues in the past couple weeks of guys committing determines and not playing, which we can get to some of that later. But didn't get a lot of that. You continue to disrespect my guy Doug Gim. Who said it? It's smelly. It's smelly, guys.

Starting point is 00:04:34 A quote, unquote, big name. Yeah, I forgot about all the tickets that Doug Gim sold this week for the Valsmar. But Doug Gim from just outside Chicago. It puts a respect on him and his deer field people. The tournament, it finds a way to punch it. But it's way, I know you hate the Valspar DJ. It's a personal crusade you have against the entire city of Tampa.

Starting point is 00:04:54 But it's tough to come down from players week and go back to regular broadcast and just a, I mean, just the, it's just, it's a come down. There's a total, you see the difference in a big event on the PJ Tour calendar and a regular one and it sticks out in a week like this, but we also got a great finish. We did. And it is fun too.

Starting point is 00:05:13 You know, there's a little bit of recognizable elements to those, those last few holes. I'm not going to say, well, you know, I'm not going to say the name. Rainy, I'll leave that for you. I know you're, I know you're a huge fan of the whimsical names, but it is fun watching them come in. I think 14's an awesome, hold a watch,

Starting point is 00:05:30 15's a cool hold a watch, and then obviously 16, 17, 18 are always good as well. I'm with you. It punches above its weight. I don't know that that means it's some like, it's very much a hipster tournament on the PJ tour. And I'm not gonna be contributing to that anymore. I don't think it's fine.

Starting point is 00:05:48 It's very much OK. I, this is no slight at the people, the great people that run the event. I've always had a blast, you know, working with those people back even to my days at the PGA tour. It's a very, very well run event. The people of Tampa seem passionate and great. It's just not, you know, I wouldn't say it's my favorite event to watch. It's, it's very much fun.

Starting point is 00:06:06 I do want to, I want to point something out here that was in the copy that I did not audit. I wish I would have because he was actually, San Bernard was negative strokes getting off the tee this past week. So just want to be transparent in that that I, that, uh, there may have been a little slight mis-happy in the statistics there, but only like one though. Only one. Still, still pretty good. He good. He did a lot of other stuff. Rainy, does Valspar work for you? The Valspar's, I think DJ said it very well. Put it very well.

Starting point is 00:06:30 It's a very fine tournament. I can remember the Halcyon days when John Sendin was the most this event. Maybe even in the days when it was the transitions championship, which was sick. Which one? Which, listen, we're getting Kenny Perry transition lenses serve ads serve to us. We got Trevor Emelman out there grilling steaks with industry

Starting point is 00:06:51 and then flawlessly walking inside as the transitions click right back into classes. That's what I remember. But bring that back. Valspar, you know, the pain company I can take her leave. Yeah, you know what? I always appreciate it or I'd say liked is a good enough word

Starting point is 00:07:15 that in his book and the Valspar, it doesn't quite give you the same feel as some of the other Florida courses. So while it is still in Florida, it doesn't, you know, it doesn't quite have that same aesthetic and I don't, after a few weeks in Florida, I'm glad for that, I guess. Very well said. The shots work. The shots totally work around that golf course. And I mentioned this on Twitter too, but just having a not having not ankle deep rough,

Starting point is 00:07:36 like we've had the last couple weeks with the players in Bay Hill shortly off the fairway, adds a whole another layer to wanting to watch it. Honestly, it's pretty narrow fairways out there, but there is a reward for hitting it. You saw that on the 18th hole, especially the way it played out in the playoff. Sam Burns hits the fairway. So, uh, uh, uh, uh, we threw out so many names around rally Davis. I'm going to mess up his name at some point.

Starting point is 00:07:58 Chris Riley. Damn it. That's not going to be the last time that happens, but he hit the fairway. You're going to have many more battles. You and his name. Chris Riley, Cameron champ, Cameron Davis. There's a lot of different ways we can go. Davis Riley the third.

Starting point is 00:08:18 I already forget which one it is, but hits the fairway in regulation. It throws a dart just over the flag. And then in the playoff, he misses just barely off the fairway in regulation hits it, you know, it throws a dart just over the flag and then in in the playoff He misses just barely off the fairway as a long conversation with this caddy trying to get the number right when you're playing out of the rough your Spot you need to land it in shrinks a lot your options for getting close to the whole shrink a lot It makes you take on the front bunker a lot more and adds a whole another level of uncertainty of how the ball is gonna Come out whether or not you can hit your number and he paid the price, hit it in the bunker. Look, it's a pretty easy bunker shot, but Burns clearly had a chance to win it there. And it didn't, but like that is, I love seeing that silent golf as the point and watching

Starting point is 00:08:55 guys just totally hack it out. If that was ankle deep rough, he would have had to chunk one up the fairway to the right and try to get up and down and didn't have the opportunity to try the hero shot. So tying in the whole conversation we had around Bay Hill and like an example of what I think those courses can and should play like it looks a lot more like this than you know needing to protect a certain number. I think this event too is also a bit of a victim of schedule right. It seems like it always has a bad week this year. It's directly after the players. I think last year it was like what we're saying is like early May almost, right?

Starting point is 00:09:25 April into May. Yeah, just a weird spot there as well. I think that I'm not advocating this by by any means, but it's one of those things that if whether was not a factor of heat was not a factor, all those things, if you could just pick it up and plop it like mid summer, I think I'd like it a lot more. But at this point in the calendar, it's like to you. Man, I've just watched every shot from Hawaii, I've watched everything from Tori, I've watched everything from Riv, I've watched everything from Bay Hill,

Starting point is 00:09:50 I've watched everything from the players, I'm like, yeah, I'm just, I'm kind of good. By the time we get to the Vals bar, I'm like, this feels like, you know, you need a week off, right? I can't do five in a row, you know? So like most players, I need to take a week. That's a direct shot at rendez-ber right there is what that is. That is a shot across the bow. What do you have against the people of Tampa? The barber twins

Starting point is 00:10:13 in rendez specifically. Here's what I'll say. If I've been in the tournament many times, when spieth goes back, then I'll go back. But you know, spieth won the tournament. He doesn't go back anywhere. What do you want me to say? That is, you know, we got to take a break. And it is when they get big shill there is the grand marshal and the MC PC and I will happily make it. The big down. I hated news of the week. I hated seeing that truck up blocked by Kurt Schilling on Twitter this week. I know that's similar to you. You blocked my filmmakers in Randy. I know that's an age old, just fan affair that he's had with with big Schill.

Starting point is 00:10:49 And that was that was a bummer to see of finally get under his skin. Have you even addressed get well, we can save this for later. Have you got address getting blocked by Phil yet on the podcast? You were suspended for so long. I can't remember, you know, yeah, okay.

Starting point is 00:11:02 I don't know. Yeah, it happened. I certainly remember it happened. That was something. I want to say one of the thing on Sam Burns and how kind of tying in a lot of the conversations I've had with you two specifically about winning golf tournaments and how this is a reflection of when I said this a detail earlier, when I'm watching Sam Burns on a Sunday, and I said this to him in the podcast too.

Starting point is 00:11:26 It's like, I feel like I'm watching somebody with full release in every swing and every shot and like full confidence in every shot he plays on a Sunday, when in contention. Like sometimes you feel like guys maybe take a little longer or change their their process a little bit or, you know, maybe make some tentative swings or don't play as aggressively or make poor decisions. He just seems to be so committed, so dialed into hitting the shots. And at the same time, it's like,

Starting point is 00:11:49 man, he's got some mecha, Rito enemies. I had the most 36 hole leads in the last year and a half, I just had some 54 hole leads that haven't worked out. And it nets out to three wins, and it just comes from like, that's the product of getting in contention a lot, like a lot. You don't, it'd be really weird and crazy good luck to get in contention Three times and win three times, but when you get in contention ten times

Starting point is 00:12:10 It's a reasonable expectation that you would net out with three wins like sometimes you're gonna show up on a Sunday And just not have it kind of felt like JT was not really there today and you know it ends up You know ends up not winning it sometimes you're gonna put up a pretty good effort and somebody just beats you. Like Davis Riley here, or Riley Davis, I do forget which one it is now in my own head. And then sometimes like you have your stuff and it falls your, you know, sometimes you blow the doors off everyone and sometimes like you just play

Starting point is 00:12:36 pretty good and win it by a very thin margin and that's what we had this time around. So he seems like he, you know, I always, the Mav McNeely quote from the podcast always sticks with me where you're just pro golf's all about maxing max not your your big weeks. And Sam like, he still is misted of fair amount of cuts, right? He still had a couple of middleing finishes, but it does seem like when he gets in contention, like you said, he's he's going pedal to the metal full gas. Just let's try to get this thing done, which

Starting point is 00:13:02 is, which is really fun to watch. I, I'm making fun of you, obviously, with the presence cup, but I totally do agree that in a team format, that's going to be a blast to watch. So I mean, just I probably won't watch Presence Cup, but at the Ryder Cup, I can't wait. You will watch it. I will, I will put you, I'll put that to the test. You're going to, you're going to watch it. Are they still playing in a quail hollow? Allegedly they are. Yeah. That's going to be tough. I think that's going to be tough for the international's. I hate to hate you. You know what? I'm not trying to segue off. I know we'll have lots to talk about this. But if enough players leave to go play like either the Saadi tour or something else, the president's cup could get interesting. That's going to

Starting point is 00:13:42 be the only thing that would be the only thing that would make me want to watch, is if it's like, you know, we've got Pat and Kazir and things of that nature out there competing for the country. I'll be in on that. It's in a week where the SGL, or Liv Golf, excuse me, unveils their schedule. PGL letter gets leaked, we lead with president's cup in the first segment of this show.

Starting point is 00:14:03 We, everything's cup full circle here. Davis Riley, man, he could have had a very, very, very different day after honestly one of the most terrific triples I've ever witnessed out of somebody leading a tournament there on the line. The likes of which we haven't seen since possibly Robert Gargis in Memphis, whatever that was, 10, 12 years ago now. He played it down two of the wrong holes, which also Zinger, I think, tried to tell us which holes they were and get both of them wrong at the same time, made a triple bogey

Starting point is 00:14:32 and only made one bogey the rest of the way out and played one under after that, obviously, to get into the playoff. But that could have gone, he drove the shit out of it after having a very difficult front nine and first time really in contention on the PGA tour, I think it, you know, waiting around for the 2PMT time. We saw that unfold display and Zinger made a great point

Starting point is 00:14:50 to open the show about like how the, you know, when JT and Burns show up for this week, they view it as a four day, they have a four day model for this thing. They're not worried about, not that concerned about missing the cut, they treat it, you know, they know how good they are and they know they're gonna be be around for four days in all likelihood. Whereas these guys that don't have that track record of success, like a lot of energy gets burned

Starting point is 00:15:11 in the first couple of days of the tournament and can that last 72 holes and look, he obviously made a great comeback to get into the playoff in an unbelievable shot in the 17, but it did seem like that was pretty prescient at the time with him and Nesmith kind of having a tough day whereas the dudes that you know or have done this a few times before you know started running downhill. And it's also kind of a good, I mean I know it's not a massive layoff but when you think about like these rookies trying to really put a schedule together and trying to put a season together and all those things like you just don't know when it's going to click right. So just looking at his schedule like you missed the cut at bay hill and like how long ago does that

Starting point is 00:15:49 seem like right I know it's not that long but even just to like watch everybody like okay shit I'm not in the players like I guess I'm just like sitting around waiting sitting around waiting and then you know you come to Tampa you don't know what kind of game you're going to have and yeah all of a sudden you have a massive, you know, you've got a couple shot lead on Sunday, which is a lot to, it's a lot to process. I wonder this could be among the worst takes possible. But do you think like the triple almost settled them down?

Starting point is 00:16:18 You think it was one of those things it's like, love that thing. But you know what I'm saying? Like two shot lead is just very like, don't fuck up, don't fuck up, don't fuck up, don't fuck up. And then like you get one, two shots behind. It's almost, it almost seems like it could be a little bit more like, OK, let's go like chase him down.

Starting point is 00:16:33 Not everybody's looking at me right now. You know, OK, good. They're all looking at JT. Like now I can go do my thing. And obviously he's like a, you know, extremely talented player who's like one at every level. He's not like he's not used to playing, you know, in front of people and on big stages, but not that big stage.

Starting point is 00:16:50 That would be the biggest so far. Do you want to expand on that? You're a big fan of that take, Randy. It's sure. I mean, I, of course, I have no idea if it's, you know, if it's true or not, but I, I, I think it's interesting. I do something to that. I think there's something to it.

Starting point is 00:17:08 I, you know, just human nature. It's probably a little easier to chase than to be chased. Definitely. And then I was sending, he has the chip in on eight, right? The, the, like, really, really hard part three. It's almost like that, that tip ball that we always joke about. Like, okay, no, I'm not, I'm not out of this. Like we're, we're totally okay. It's just, yeah, it was fun to, fun to

Starting point is 00:17:28 watch him put together his, his day to day. I want to say how proud I am of both you guys for that whole discussion around burns getting in contention a lot for not, not cracking that below the belt joke. No, I listen to your guys. I thought you would want to bring it up on your own. Exactly. You know, there are a lot of people that get in contention a lot and don't win three times.

Starting point is 00:17:50 Just the two times. What's your guys' reaction to what we saw out of JT this week? I mean, it's hard to be anything but like very, very, very, very positive, right? He just keeps, it's really weird speaking of, you know, below the belt jokes and people getting contentioned constantly without winning.

Starting point is 00:18:07 I do feel differently watching JT do it than I do watching Trouboi do it. But yeah, dude, I mean, he's just, I'm looking at his results, kind of going back to when we want to start here. I mean, even like hero, I guess. T5, T5, T20, T8, 6, T33, and then what are you, what's he, T33? That's what Randy does, does JT have the resume to validate a less than stellar Sunday or to, to, you know, to make you, make it okay to kind of brush this one away.

Starting point is 00:18:40 Yeah, for sure. Okay. I'm disappointed by that. I want to do like dig in extra hard on that one. Well, because people do still send in tweets that are like, do we get on JT for not winning enough, man? Like you get some potential. It doesn't win a whole lot. I was saying that I get on him for only having one major. I think he's that's fair. Too talented to only have one major, but and it's not even only having the one. It's

Starting point is 00:19:03 just like not contending, right? And not even being in the conversation. Yeah. But he's won 14 times on the PJ two. I, I'm going to cut him a break from, you know, finishing tied for a third, a, a stroke out today. I think that's, that'd be fast forcing the take a little. I appreciate that nuance big.

Starting point is 00:19:23 That's why people turn to this show is to is to they know you're not shock jock it out here. I quickly looked up his his kind of trends if you will on data golf as as he was playing today. It kind of jumped out at me in a home. How almost perfectly in line he is so far this year. This season I guess with his top strokes gained season like the numbers almost the exact same. And with his top strokes gained season, like the numbers almost the exact same. And in his top three seasons, he's bagged, I think 11 of his 14 wins and nine starts now so far this year, producing at that same exact level has gotten zero wins out of it.

Starting point is 00:19:56 So usually when he plays this good, it lasts for basically a whole year and he stacks up wins in multiples. So that's just something to keep an eye on as we trend towards Augusta as well. And that's what I was gonna say. I hate being a caddy guy. And then the caddies are not hitting the shots out there. I know Jimmy Johnson is it obviously excellent, excellent caddy. But JT playing like this and having bones

Starting point is 00:20:17 on the bag going to Augusta is thrilling stuff. Like I wouldn't watch. I hadn't even thought that much about bones at Augusta. That is, I think he's been there many times. I believe he's got some experience there in the. And yeah, before we get to our next segment, actually I want to point out one other guy before Augusta as well, but college basketball fans joined the action on the court

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Starting point is 00:21:35 He's had great success there. I know he has not won there, but I've told myself many times I'm not going to get, I'm not going to let Brooks sneak up on me before a major again. And my spidey senses are just, just sense in a little something's keeping eye on that. I like that. I appreciate you. Brooks, Keppka could play well at the masters. I want to get out on that limb. No, I appreciate you disclosing that very much a possibility.

Starting point is 00:21:56 That's massive. I think a couple more guys before we, we move off the, the Valsbar, uh, personal pictures because I had, I had bet on this week's that it was falling, but master Pat Matt Fitzpatrick is playing really really good golf got completely boned by the draw at the players but going back I think to looking at his some of his results the end of Luccia masters that he won lately late last year I mean since then I mean T3 T64 but then T2 T6, T10, T9, and a miscut at the players. But playing really, really nice.

Starting point is 00:22:30 And when golf courses get hard, he tends to play really well. I've just, he's got a guy. He's got to break through and win over here, man. I'm dying for it. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. We want to talk about a guy that it's time to win. It's time to break through. That's Matt Fitzpatrick.

Starting point is 00:22:46 I really weird one. I feel like Fitz only plays well in BC weeks. I swear to God, he's always, he always tees off 50 minutes, pretty much exactly before the leaders. They cut to him, he's making a 15 footer with the flag in. I just, the conditions get firmer. He just starts rising up the leaderboard.

Starting point is 00:23:05 Oh, that's a good thing. I don't know why, but somebody look into that. Maybe we can tag Justin Ray with that NBC weeks. Fitzpatrick top five's top 10's almost every time. God, that's, that, that holds pretty true. Look at his, his results. He did have a T5 agenesis last year. That hurts the case.

Starting point is 00:23:20 So that, that hurts, but, but other than that, I mean, that could be a complete statistical outlier. Heritage last year. I don't know who had heritage. That would have been CBS. Okay. So double beach this year. It could be some holes. Pebble is a.

Starting point is 00:23:32 I know what you're saying, though, sorry, and I like it. It's a brave take and I'm glad you said. I don't know how you know what I'm saying. I don't know what I'm saying. I'm glad you threw that out there. That's, that's, you know, I had that thought today watching the tournament is it just it's interesting what the PGA tour is testing because I think a guy like map fits Patrick perhaps under some different circumstances would be like he said DJ it just seems like when it when it turns into when par is a really good score. He's playing golf out there. Yeah, yeah. He's a guy that just consistently shows up.

Starting point is 00:24:11 Not to say that he doesn't play well weeks like this when their birdies to be made, but just is interesting because I think his skill set, his natural skill set where he's best from an outsider's perspective would seem like, you know, the harder they can make it week to week, I think the more, like, Fitzpatrick would rise up the rankings. Which I think unfortunately for him outside of the majors, I'm trying to look at like what we have coming up the rest of the year. Fitzpatrick, SZN might be, might be over.

Starting point is 00:24:42 Right? Like for the year. You as open could be. That's what I mean. I'll tie the major. Yeah. Yeah. It's starting into summer, summer bomb. Yeah. As a way sessions here. Can we go through? Why don't we just do a little check in here for data golf strokes gain their last three months? It's kind of a, it can be a weird stat in different times of the year because people are kind of spread out all over and what now. But I feel like this past three months, really, it's been and and what now. But I feel like this past three months really it's been two and a half.

Starting point is 00:25:06 But I feel like that's a decent decent decent sample size, if you will. Who do you think leads the top, you know, the whole the world in strokes gained over the last three months? So JT. JT is third. More power. How quickly we forgot about this guy a week later. Oh, Cam. Cam Smith. Cam Smith is basically over the last three months.

Starting point is 00:25:30 He was basically ROM in 2021. He did win two events in those three months. Yes. Sure. Listen, that's hand up. Pressure to got that one. Second on this list, walking Neiman, third is JT. Then Scottie Sheffler, can't lay ROM.

Starting point is 00:25:44 Matt Fitzpatrick is seventh, Victor Havlan, eighth, Rory, ninth, burger 10th, and then it goes Russell Henley, Will Zell, Torres Chilhohead, and Hadecki, Shane Lowry, Max Homa, Billy Horsal, Tom Hogi. It's an interesting list. That is. I mean, Dustin Johnson nowhere to be, nowhere to be found on that list. I mean, some decent size names are pretty far down as far as, you know, for this being this far into the season, like we're almost halfway through the PGA tour season.

Starting point is 00:26:11 And you said that at the players last last week. I know Dustin had a crazy Sunday, but like what, what was he? And FedEx Cup was like 207 or something. He was too. Yeah. He was 200 going into the week. I think last last week, I don't know what he got up to after last week, but I mean, all the majors are, you know, are coming.

Starting point is 00:26:31 He's 142 now on the FedEx Cup. He'll, I think he's going to keep his card. I think he's going to be there. I have to think he'll get in the top one 25. He's just staying inside that top 200. Get that PGL money if they, if they decide to divvy it out this year. Is that a sign that you would like to continue on? No, no, before we go, I wanted to ask Randy. I we're kind of short on time. So just top five top five favorite Matt Nysmith facts that you have.

Starting point is 00:26:58 Yeah, you are a recent Nysmith guy. I know he's one of your favorites. Oh my gosh. Fact number five. You went to South Carolina. No, Clemson. I think close, close. Didn't he go to South Carolina? I think you went to Clemson. Uh, okay, check me on that while I'm giving the other facts. He's very, he's very blocky, which I think matches his last name.

Starting point is 00:27:22 Hand up. I don't know what you're saying. He's, he's, he did not go to Clemson. He went to South Carolina. Fuck. You got me there. Honestly, upset of the century. Your fifth aspect was totally factual, Matthew Deesmith.

Starting point is 00:27:35 He's very, he's boxy. He's 28 years old. He has not won. But my favorite fact about Matthew Neesmith is nobody knows what his, his marry name is now. We just, we keep calling him, you know, Matthew Neesmith is nobody knows what his his Mary name is now we just we keep calling him you know Matthew Neesmith uh Jesus

Starting point is 00:27:53 But what name has he taken we don't know what his actual last name is You know what is this five years stupid jokes that's one of the stupidest jokes that I've that I've heard yet. They're gonna be a lot of people that don't get it, but look it up. I wish we had a producer right now that we could just yell at the Mutur Mike. Hey guys, can we take that one again? I want to give a shout to Sehith Tagala, another top 10 this week, T7, had a weekend 67, 67, almost the...

Starting point is 00:28:23 Almost the McKenzie who Hughes and the weekends. Do we sink? That that you know, real quick career resurgence. Yeah, he continues. I'm I'm legitimately excited to see Seaheath playing well. Oh, of course. Yeah. I think that the tours better for this is third top 10 had played had had some good

Starting point is 00:28:43 results. Top 10 at Sanderson had played well in the West Coast swing. Nice to see him now, but good result in Florida as well. Last last two. I think this is kind of my running up against it on the Valspar, but seeing Kevin Strylman and seeing Adam Hadwin, both T7, I do really, really dig that this is a true like horse for course type place. It seems like which again, going back to the speed thing

Starting point is 00:29:05 I was joking about, but you mentioned offhand as we were watching it, it's such a weird flex. There might be too many tournaments when you've won at this golf course and you just stop going back. That might be a sign that there's too many tournaments, but yeah, Stryoman had win Paul Casey, I know it wasn't there after a long week, last week, Burns.

Starting point is 00:29:24 It's just, it's cool to see a place where like you know guys of a bunch of different skill types really tend to find it and play well there all the time. So look at Mathets Patrick next year. I'm gonna write that down. There are so many names on this leaderboard that I like don't owe anything about them. leaderboard that I like don't anything about them. Yet you knew Matthew Neesmith, like I'm, I'm for sure. I'm really proud of you for that. Like, well, I mean, I've heard of them. Like a guy like Austin's other men, top of my five couldn't tell you anything.

Starting point is 00:29:55 Tyler Duncan. Luke Donald was in the world for a while. Max McGreevy. Like, I don't know anything about any of these guys. I don't know why you can't keep track of all 250 guys that cycle in and out of a PGA tour season. You know, you know the, the, sorry, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I keep, I, I keep, I keep, I keep, Matt, Nesmith, things with that nature. Guys out there and I do think golf has a way of putting almost like a, it's just such an individual sport obviously that it has a way of almost putting like an outsized importance on a guy's personality or a guy's backstory or all of these things

Starting point is 00:30:41 because you know, you get so focused on who's going to win, who the winner is, who, you know, who should all the light be shining on, that other sports don't really do that. I was thinking about it with regards to baseball, Randy, right? Or it's like, not all nine guys easily can share the spotlight. Or more than that, if you have guys coming off the bench, I don't need to know the back story of a lot of these guys. I just kind of need to know like, oh, this guy's great against left-handed pitching. Like, I'm glad they're putting him in.

Starting point is 00:31:07 And I almost wonder if some of the team aspects of this, like a four person team, for instance, it'd be much easier to get hyped about Davis Riley being on your team than it is about like Davis Riley winning a PJ Tour event. Does that make sense? Like a million thousand percent. We were saying like,

Starting point is 00:31:22 if basketball was an individual sport, where would Robert Orey exist in the annals of basketball history? Like he wouldn't, but like stepping up in big ass team moments to be this guy that when the star players are attracting all the attention at the end of the game, you hit the biggest shot. Like that, you know, obviously, it's not a perfect comparison, but like, that's the, that's the idea, I think, behind what could be behind, like team, team golf. So I think that but like that's the, that's the idea, I think, behind what could be behind, like team, team golf. So I think that's, that's a good point. And just to pick at the baseball analogy, DJ, you know, I'm thinking of like starting pictures and, and Tully too, right?

Starting point is 00:31:57 Everybody needs a fifth starter. And so you know, hey, he's our fifth starter. So how does he compare against other fifth starters? It'd be so helpful, I think, to compare some of these guys and like, hey, he's our fourth golfer. Oh shit, like Davis Rally, he's really good for a fourth golfer, you know. Just having a little bit of context and being able to like place guys in cohorts like that,

Starting point is 00:32:22 I think would be, yes, like you said, like it would help me like place them in this big wide golf universe. And I think so much of this, this is a full, you know, foolish way to look at it, obviously, but it's just the way it is. It's like Tiger has ruined so many things about an individual sport, right? Where it's like, you know, they're, they're talking about today, and I don't fault them for saying this on the broadcast, but like, oh, Sam Burns and Davis Riley,

Starting point is 00:32:48 like, could we be looking at the future of golf here? We're gonna have many battles. And I'm like, what are we talking about? Like, I mean, maybe, like, but then it's just, in your head, you're almost like, well, fuck, man, is Davis Riley gonna go win like nine majors, 10 majors, 11 majors, and who knows? Maybe he very much may, I would say it would be unlikely, but maybe he will.

Starting point is 00:33:06 But in your head, you're just kind of almost like, well, if he's not like that guy, like, eh, I don't, I don't really care, right? And how many Phil tiger tools do we've been privileged to over the years? I was joking with Saul. I think I've heard so many people say that. I want to start keeping track of, uh, we're going to have a lot of great battles in future years. Comets because I don't know if that ever actually comes to fruition.

Starting point is 00:33:26 But if there is another great Sam Burns Davis Riley battle, someone please alert me. That would be fantastic. You guys ready to talk about live under par golf? Sure. I think it's about that time. Live golf announced several events. That it's been a long week, man. I can't believe we might have to start doing semi-weekly shows.

Starting point is 00:33:49 I think sometimes we, it times out really good to wait until Sunday to do this show, but this feels like ancient news now as we get to it here on Sunday. But it was good. I almost fired off a bunch of tweets this week and did a bunch of reactions to that. I was like, you know what? I'm just going to, let me just sit with this for a minute and collect my thoughts. So I'm glad to to wait. Do you want to click us off the end? No, no, no, let's start with the facts. What did we know? And when did we know? So I believe this was Wednesday now comes out that the not the SGL as they've made clear in interviews this week. The live golf invetational,

Starting point is 00:34:25 so announced several events, eight events, seven locations have been named, we'll get those in a second, but total prize per for the eight events will reach an unprecedented $255 million, which a quick pause just to point out the absurdity of eight events for $255 million, and we don't know who is playing in India. Like that's absolutely incredible. Could be you question.

Starting point is 00:34:48 The first seven regular season events will carry a total purse of $25 million comprise of $20 million in individual prizes. All players in the field will earn a share and $5 million for the top three teams. Following the first seven events, an individual champion will be crowned offering a total purse of $30 million for the top three individuals of the season. The season ending eighth event will be a team championship that will provide $50 million

Starting point is 00:35:18 in total prize funds. Should we do the location of these events? First one scheduled. We have, we, we, we were adamant about this. And I, I want to go back to Riviera week, which when people were starting to call this thing dead in the water, we raised our hands and screamed it from the rooftops and we could have said, they're going to do these events.

Starting point is 00:35:38 Like they don't know who's going to play in them. Yes, like all these guys are saying they're not going to. They're giving very kind of soft statements to say they're not going to but these events are gonna happen. Randy was out there flying the banner. We killed it. They should have come. We rocked him. June 9th will be the first event. This will be opposite the John Deere classic.

Starting point is 00:35:59 Hate that the week before. Is that right? No, that's not right. This is, sorry, this is opposite the RBC. Can you hate that as well? Hate that as well. Maybe even more for Yeah, frankly, more coming off a couple years delayed. Canadian opens got some energy. Anyways, that's a national open. Yeah, that sucks. This will be how that this insurion golf club in London, I've heard this place stinks.

Starting point is 00:36:21 Her insurion lads horribly waterlogged for most of the year and like for the summer months That's the only time you can play it and they're they're coming in and doing that on June 9th Although I I'm not I'm super excited about the course lineup they have here the next week is also keep laughing about poor I've called it Richard harvest farm Which we'll get to you but that's that's been got to do real. It'll be all week. July 1st is an event at Pumpkin Ridge in Portland. This is a theme we'll see here is pumpkin ridges owned by Escalante golf. The next event is July 29th at Trump Bedminster in New Jersey. And then we have a decent layoff. We're back the international in Boston, also owned by Escalante.

Starting point is 00:37:05 Got also got a great membership, kind of progression there over the last couple of years if you want to dive in and read about that. Then going to Rich Harvest Farms in Chicago. Just outside. Just outside of Chicago, the only note I wrote here was LMAO, just a comical golf course that includes,

Starting point is 00:37:24 I think the college event that they had a national turf tee box out there and also a couple shots where you hit over hedges. Oh, yeah, it's, it's a ridiculous ridiculous place. Amazing car collection, though, which seems like it would be popular with the live golf folks. October 7th, an event it's at Stonehill in Bangkok. And then the only classic course that they have in the road of here is Royal Greens golf club in Jeddah on October 14th, which is the the penultimate event. And then corralling at the team championship, October 28th, which the location has not been announced yet, but was expecting to see Dural on this list by several reports. There's been multiple renovations made to the course that really only makes sense if you're hosting a big professional event. I don't

Starting point is 00:38:07 know what the reasoning would be for not announcing that yet. Maybe they're worried about not getting to the eighth event and don't want to deal with the embarrassment of not hosting it. I don't know, but I would put money on that being the final location of the final event. So, Rain, do you excited to tune in on June 9th at Saturian Golf Club in London? And for full disclosure, we don't know how or if it will be on TV. Correct. Or who's going to be playing in it? No, but I will say this, the Escalante courses I expect to stand and deliver. And he surprises in the list. People won't even understand that one either, but I encourage you to look at it. Well, I've heard some, you know, obviously some rumblings that the pumpkin ridge folks

Starting point is 00:38:51 aren't overly excited about hosting one of these events. Yeah, it just, it blows my mind that, you know, we can have a schedule, we can have purses, but we don't know who's playing in them. And like pretty much anything else about them. I mean, what do you guys think? You spend all this time gathering your thoughts to your friends as your time.

Starting point is 00:39:13 Yeah, and that's where I'm trying to avoid saying something other than like it seems kind of dumb, but it just seems kind of like loud and dumb, right? Like I don't get how I get the splash, I get that they're going to have a big field, I get that they're going to, will it help to go through some enormous comments this week? Well, it will, but I think on a macro level, like they are going to put on the events, like you said, they are going to have a field. There's no way they're going to not have 48, you know, professional golfers show up to go play in this thing. But I just don't get the,

Starting point is 00:39:46 I don't get the long view of this. I get the idea of, you know, he kept calling it, we'll get into kind of some of his podcast appearances and stuff this week. But, you know, the fact that he keeps calling them a startup and all this stuff. I thought Andy Johnson had some good thoughts this week about, you know, kind of almost comparing this to start up culture a little bit in the US. We're just gonna flood, you know, we're just gonna flood this tour with money until, you know, we can completely disrupt the existing business and then we'll slowly

Starting point is 00:40:14 just kind of up our prices later on, you know, and kind of become what they were in the first place. And I just don't get what the long, like everybody who keeps saying like they don't need any return, they're good to just like light this money on fire, like that can't be, that can't be true in perpetuity. Like stop saying that, they can't just,

Starting point is 00:40:35 oh, they don't even care. They don't even care. They're just gonna keep throwing money at this stuff. Like they have to get the money back in some way at some time. And I don't get how you can just like replace an entire industry like this with this thing that has no feeder system, that has no infrastructure

Starting point is 00:40:53 built around it at all, and not just like wind up spending exorbitant laughable amounts of money that like nobody's ever gonna see again. And I get all the sports washing aspects of it. That's the point I think. That's to a point. But like also if this thing's not like, how's the network TV get like in order to like sports wash,

Starting point is 00:41:13 you got need to be fucking be on TV. Like who's gonna like broadcast this stuff? Who's going to show up to this? All these things is there's still so many unknowns that it's just hard to not feel like they have so wildly put the car before the horse and everybody's going to like end up looking very stupid. But I could be wrong and I could be that one that ends up looking stupid. Well, you're definitely wrong about one thing because Norman went on Gary Williams, the

Starting point is 00:41:36 five clubs podcast this week and said the profit bill numbers are great. They look fantastic. And listen, can he name any players that are playing in it? Of course, not. Or sponsors or broadcast partner. Right. But that I one thing we can definitely agree on is the profit bill. And numbers probably look great. So because you don't need great players, right, to make this thing profitable at all. Or if that's, you know, even if that is a huge variable right now, yeah, I'm sure that everything looks great. The other aspect of it too. But to this, the sports washing thing, I do think there is a,

Starting point is 00:42:08 and I don't pretend to know everything about the sovereign wealth on the public investment fund of Saudi Arabia. I don't, but I do think this is a play of, this is more of an expense than it is something that they are expecting a return on, at least in the short term. In the short term, yes. But what happens in the long term?

Starting point is 00:42:24 You can't just like nuke the PGA tour and then put nothing. Get rid of golf. Get rid of golf out of this. It is about making it more normal, about normalizing them being in so many different places that they can get corporate investment. They can make investments in other companies in the United. Like they can get their fingers in other places.

Starting point is 00:42:44 They're doing a full mind about it. I stick my finger in there. Pretty much everywhere. And they're okay spending a very small amount of money, 255 million, whatever this year. And I'm sure that's more than that that they'll be spending this year. They also have a staff of like 100 people.

Starting point is 00:42:57 Right, but that people are whatever. Still just pennies when it comes to their grand scheme, right? So, and that's the only way it works. But that's kind of what I'm saying is like, what's at the end of that road though? Like yes, I get that over the next like three years, four years, five years. But let's say you go spend a billion dollars on this thing

Starting point is 00:43:13 and it turns into like, yeah, remember that league that like fucking sucked? And they went to all those like horrible golf courses and never really got on TV. And maybe like it just turns into like the USFL or the XFL or one of these and everybody's just like, yeah, no, no, those guys totally killed it, man. I take them super seriously. But I think it's like a 20 year war of like attrition of it just eventually, like we're

Starting point is 00:43:35 gonna do all this stuff and we're just gonna wear people down and like eventually people are, we're gonna say I'm not a politician and all this stuff so many times that 10 years from now you that can be silly to ask that question and this will just be normal now. But that's so that's what I'm getting at though is like is this is the long view of this thing 10 years from now like what does it look like? Is it 18 events? Is it you know is it has it completely replaced the PJ tour?

Starting point is 00:44:01 Is it what it you know what I mean like what's what's the for it? Because right now it just seems like it's very much like, yeah, I mean we'll figure that out like next week. Right now we're just, we're so excited. And I think this is a play, like they can tell you where they wanna be overall as a fund and as a country in 10 years. And this is a such a minuscule part of that. They don't have an answer for it.

Starting point is 00:44:24 What this list league will look like in 10 years. And that's kind of what I'm, I guess, what I'm saying. What I'm saying. This is a pawn in this game in some way. So like focusing on it at that level is where I don't think we're going to find like the rationalization for this league. And that's where I think because none of this shit makes sense. No, that's what I'm trying to wrap my head around or what I'm trying to like square is like,

Starting point is 00:44:45 dude, I get the idea of a 20 year war of like public opinion. Like I get what they're trying to do. It just doesn't seem like this is something that is gonna work for 20 years. You know what I mean? Or like at least the way they're laying it out here now is it just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Starting point is 00:45:02 But adding up, adding up this, they're the Ladies of Ramco series. There's a F1 race in Saudi Arabia now. There's WWE involved. And again, I don't pretend to know all of what, there's rumors out there that they might be looking to buy Formula One for a 100% premium that what Liberty Media bought it at, right? So like, how small of a pond is this feel like

Starting point is 00:45:24 in the grand scheme of that? If they buy that for 16 million, and that's where it's like, they're fighting this battle on many, many, many, many, many fronts. And like some of the battles might even be distracts. Like, you know, I don't have a full explanation for it, but I know that if we're looking at the particulars to try to like make this add up and make sense,

Starting point is 00:45:43 yeah, I don't think we're gonna get there. Yeah, that's what it's almost like hard to talk about because it's just like ludicrous. It's insane. What did you what was your takeaway from the Greg Norman car wash? I mean, was was there anything you guys learned that you didn't recognize before hearing him speak. One thing that stood out again, like seems very dumb is the idea that like they have, they're gonna do this team championship without having any idea who the fuck is playing in these events. So like, games change weekly.

Starting point is 00:46:20 Every week they have the same way they have a pro-AMD draw party. Like they're gonna have a draw for teams. So every week the teams are gonna be different and All these things are just like wow. I mean, we're a startup. You know, we're just we're just moving so fast Like wait, well, maybe you don't have to like who's asking for this? Who's asking you to do this? And it's just like everything else in golf seems like it's going to be built for you know just on this like caffeine fueled, caffeine probably in generous fueled idea of what executives, what kind of party's executives like to go to?

Starting point is 00:46:52 And all of them being like, yeah, the sponsors will love going to a draw party every week. Look at how much fun they have at the Pro Am party. It's like, yo, there's no interest in the Pro Am. Nobody gives a shit about this stuff. And it just kind of, it goes back to the Davis Riley, Matt and E. Smith, you know, kind of player for conversation is like, I think the only way that works in team golf

Starting point is 00:47:12 is if Davis Riley is your number four guy every week, right? Like, I would go against it. For a whole season. Yeah, like you just, you can't, god damn, imagine, like if you think golf is cumbersome and like hard to follow now, imagine Every week trying to figure out like oh so and so is on a team like I can't wait to root for that team and then how does like The ownership of teams is the whole financial aspect of of this model that I think actually does make sense and I think actually could help Support some of these exorbitant purses, but like how do you sell a team as a franchise if it's changing every week?

Starting point is 00:47:47 Is a whole thing? It's just, I like the, that's even part of their model. That's what I'm saying. Like, the whole thing just like, at every turn, seems like it is the opposite of what I, I'm speaking not as a, like, I, as, I am speaking as a business moron here. I have no idea like the financial aspects of any of this, but as a golf fan like this could not be less of what I'm interested in seeing.

Starting point is 00:48:09 I wanna hand up, not asking for this. This is not what I want. Please stop this idea. That's what I wanted to point out. And we're gonna get to a more PGL fronted discussion on the back end of this. But I can't think of more polar opposite approaches. And if you, and if you, we've shouted this out many times, if you want to go back

Starting point is 00:48:30 to November, I think it's episode 498 that we did with Andy Gardner of the Premier Golf League. We spent two and a half hours talking about the structure of this league and it, it was extreme. From my mind, from where I'm sitting, it was extremely thoughtful and how this will be additive and entertaining for golf fans. And that was the root of it. Are the people involved set to make a lot of money off of it? Of course. Am I like, I'm not not even enough to believe that this is just a fairy tale that, you know, is as meant to save all of the golf fans here, like, of course, the interested people here plan to make money off of it. But like, here is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah of how this makes

Starting point is 00:49:03 sense for entertainment value of it. I don't hear any of that coming from this other than like, even if you ask Norman, if you look at the way Norman spoke about the league this week, it is about creating economic opportunities for the players. And he's viewing this from the players perspective. I've always believed that players are independent contractors. They can, they have the right to go realize the full market value of their golf game. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Starting point is 00:49:26 DJ just almost fell asleep as I was saying that. Like it does not interesting to golf fans. If you don't package this with a story behind it and a reason to get behind it. And they don't even like pretend to care about that to that point. I mean, he did two full, I listen to two full interviews. He did at no point did they approach it from any perspective if fans want this or we hear how we're gonna present it to fans or none of that. It couldn't be more polar opposite in terms of like

Starting point is 00:49:52 what they wanna get out of it versus where this idea stemmed from, which is from the proposal from the premier golf league to over two and a half years ago that came into public attention. But what got me from the jump is he compared the live golf league or whatever to what burger and JT did at the Ryder Cup on the first tee. And then he like, shit on the president's cup along the way.

Starting point is 00:50:13 It's like, look, I've been in president's cups but like that didn't compare to the first tee at the Ryder Cup. And I'm like, holy shit, is the comp here? Like does the ranking system go like Ryder Cup, Saudi League, and then way down his president's cup? Does he think he could just like bypass all of that from the jump? Well, I know you hate him coming out of the president's cup. I'm sorry that you that you did have to hear that, but especially in a president's cup. You're exactly, exactly, the year of our Lord, uh, 2022, a president's cup here.

Starting point is 00:50:42 I don't, the whole thing just seems like so half baked right in that. It takes me a lot back to when we talked about the we did the breakaway tours podcast, right? And Norman's thing in 94 where he did the press conference before he'd talk to any of the players, just like assuming how they're all feeling is like, oh, no way, like that's the same guy like who would have possibly Yes, well, no, we don't have a media deal. We don't know who any of the players are and we don't really know if fans are gonna like it But I think it's not overstating to say it's gonna be the best thing to ever happen at the sport is basically where we're at right now And like yeah, hey man like something's like I don't know it's something really adding up here like wow

Starting point is 00:51:21 Why would this amount of money be available here? Like, okay, can we talk about where the money's coming from? I don't get to that. I'll just not a politician. I don't want to do a political discussion here. And I'll read the quote exactly. And I want to give a huge shout out to Gary Williams who asked a lot of really good and pointed questions.

Starting point is 00:51:39 And he didn't belabor the point when it was determined that he wasn't going to get his answers, but found a way in of, you know, making sure that this presentation, he's obviously on a mediatur presented in that presentation. It needs to include the challenges and the his answers to these difficult questions. Otherwise it's PR and it's not telling the full story behind it. And it's not an easy thing for him to do. And he did that. And the, I thought with the, the ego that is around Greg Norman and the things he's

Starting point is 00:52:08 tried to say in the past, like, oh, you don't understand they're evolving over there. Women can eat in restaurants. They're not wearing, you know, headwear and all this stuff. I thought with all the time they've taken for him to go on his press tour that he would have a better answer prepared than this. So, um, you know, he fell back, this came from, I forget where I pulled this from. I think a golf channel summary of it. but he said, we're not a political organization and what we've done and what the PIF have done. We just work on behalf of political

Starting point is 00:52:31 organizations. And what we've done and what the PIF have done and what Saudi Arabia has done, like I said to you before, golf is good for the world and golf is good with Saudi Arabia. Okay. My passion for the game of golf and growing the game of golf is my priority. This is all about the game of golf and growing the game of golf. I'm not even going to go down that path of trying to get in a political discussion about it. I'm focused on growing the game of golf the best way I possibly can end of story, which in his that's definitely when you know it's the end of the story is when the person that doesn't answer the question just says up and says, end of story.

Starting point is 00:53:05 It's like the J. Bonnehead press conference. We're moving forward. We're moving on. We're not even talking about that anymore. We're moving on. First question. It's about Saudi Arabia. He continues, what happened to the journalist Kashoggi is reprehensible.

Starting point is 00:53:16 There's not a person on this planet that wouldn't say the same thing. Didn't really follow up on that after that. And then from my perspective, I'm not getting into this political dialogue. I'm staying focused on what I'm doing and growing the game of golf. It's not to be like trite, but if anybody could follow up on like, like, what, what are you, what are you talking about growing the game? How? Who the fuck said that? But yeah, what are your goals for growing the game? Yeah. What, what, what is, what is success growing the game look like in two years, five years, ten years?

Starting point is 00:53:51 Like let's pull on that thread a little. Just hearing if anybody would be like craving enough to kind of say, like, I don't know, when I say growing the game, what I mean is like paying top players more. At least like shine a light on what we're talking about here, man. And the only thing I would have added on and again, I'm giving Gary a lot of credit. The only thing I would have asked like just to kind of needle in a little bit more, I find another way around some of these answers is like, what is your compensation for this Greg? Like what you want to fall, but if you want to fall back on, I am doing this to grow the game. Like do it for free then. Do it for no money. Yeah, we know what the

Starting point is 00:54:25 case is here. Like you know, we know you're getting paid an enormous amount of money for this. Like don't try to pretend that you are trying to do this to grow the game. If he stand up and said like, they've offered me a great amount of money to pursue this opportunity for them. I would respect that a whole heck of a lot more than I care that much about growing the game. Get out of here. So he was asked about, you know, what player is going to be involved. He said he sent the letter to 250 players just before the announcement. I compile these notes as a combination of his interviews with the five club spot cast with Gary Williams and golf subpar with Coltnost and the sleaze true stoltz. He said he sent the letter to 250 players just before the announcement. We'll see what their responses are to the invitation. Near and dear to my heart, because I'm giving the players an opportunity to maximize their true market

Starting point is 00:55:07 value, they'll announce the names closer to June when they have the 48 players in place, I guess. So did you hear his thing? This was kind of sick. This was the only time I think my ears perked up was when they asked, I believe this was on the subpar podcast, but when they asked what happens if more than 48 players want to play, like how we decide who the 48 are and he said it's a combination of OWGR and me, which I think he's hand picking these players. Okay. All right. I'm a little more interested in that.

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Starting point is 00:56:44 So cash. Get a cash tag. We're going to be sending some money you guys way in April as well. But you've got to have a cash tag. Get signed up. I read somewhere this week that the only use case for Bitcoin or cryptocurrency is solely to sell it to somebody else. That's more NFT. We'll sidebar on that discussion here. It has a lot of function. I don't like where you're going with that. I will, there'll be no more, no slander that on this podcast.

Starting point is 00:57:10 It's a few, and selling drugs and human trafficking, Randy. Don't forget about that. Oh, yeah, sure. If you want to do anything illegal, or just help to somebody else, sure. Yeah, because fiat currencies don't do that at all. And no way has that ever happened. One of the many questions that is outstanding on this, which obviously there was not much of an answer given to us,

Starting point is 00:57:29 but you know, he was asked about like players only getting three releases, like how will that work? And Norman's answer was just like at the end of the day, it's up to the player. It's like, I actually don't think it is. I think that's kind of the whole point is. Well, also the three releases, they yeah, there was a lot of assumptions made that like, oh, players get three releases, so they should only be able to play three live events, which like I don't think the tour has ever granted a release. No. Inside the United States against an existing BJ tour event. So, yeah, within the city of limousade, that ain't legal either to do. Yeah, it at the end of the day is most definitely not up to the player, I think

Starting point is 00:58:04 is the point. And missed among the discussion of, you know, Jay Monahan is saying he's going to ban you guys like obviously Norman shares what he believes to be a very different opinion on that. Missed among this discussion is like, you know, and all this talk about independent contractors and all this stuff is like, he's, I believe players should have the rights to play wherever they want. I think the screen point they're like just need screened is like the players have every right to go play the live golf invitational tour every right what they don't with the PGA tour is saying they don't have the right to do is go play that tour and also play on the PGA tour, which is an important distinction that I think is the more I'm real out the more

Starting point is 00:58:44 time goes by the more I'm realizing maybe people are not making that distinction. Or this campaign or whatever you wanna call it is trying to blur the line as to what that difference actually is. Yeah, and I think that what is most interesting about this schedule coming together, and they're being an event in what, a couple months here, is everybody has kinda said how the legal aspects

Starting point is 00:59:07 of this are going to loom large and it's going to trigger these anti-competitive lawsuits and all of those things. And I think getting an answer to those questions is like a massive, massive domino to fall so that we can finally start to get some clarity on what the hell is going to happen in the world of pro golf because I think that's kind of like what is held everything up, right? It's like nobody quite knows what's going to happen there. And I don't know if that's a long process. I would have imagined so.

Starting point is 00:59:31 Or I don't know what happens in the immediate. Is there some player that's kind of in limbo that says, you know, the PJ Tours says, Hey, you don't have a release for this. And he says, cool. I'm going to go anyway. What what happens there? It's just it's going to be a very interesting couple of, very interesting couple of weeks, months leading up to this thing and just seeing who steps out as, you know,

Starting point is 00:59:52 probably having ink to deal with these guys to go to all these events does fill play. I think we already forgot about like the whole fill aspect of this, but like is he play these events where, know all these guys who pledge their fealty to the PJ tour or any of them Gonna change once you know this money actually starts hitting people's bank accounts and once you know This is the example that everybody's used but you know you had some co-cracksy Well the co-cracksy guy can't dream. Yeah, but but even more than that. I mean you have like Let's say you know co-crack is still like a multiple- PJ tour winner. Like, let's say you have, you know, some Asian tour guys who have never beaten anybody over here. You have, you know, some young college players or players coming out of college, I have no status that want to play these events this summer or something

Starting point is 01:00:38 like that. When, you know, some of these top guys see, like we made such a big deal about the, the players being the highest money golf tournament in the history of the world. Well now there's eight of them this year that are the same size or bigger and The the idea of these guys kind of totally sitting those out as quote unquote lesser, you know lesser accomplished players go and and who wrote all that money is Is gonna test test some of the strong words that we heard through the notes app over the past couple months. And that's where it's like if we're playing if we're gaming this out, right? It is. All right. I'm Zander.

Starting point is 01:01:15 I am Bryson. I am DJ. I and I'm I probably shouldn't throw Zander in that group. I'm just saying like all these guys are kind of just at least have an eye on it at minimum. Be whoever it may be. Looking at it like I'm not going to be on this first leap. I can't do that, right? But I'm gonna watch Kurt Kittiyama and again, I have no idea if that's a a ruber name or not But let's just throw out a name that's like an American player that plays in Europe that you know is kind of fighting for scraps and starts all over the place If he just goes and does it and wins the first tournament and wins like $4 million or whatever it is. And he is the one that is trying to, you know, have files in injunction or whatever it is to get back on the PGA tour. And I don't know what happens in limbo of that. Do you get to keep playing until it clears the courts? Are you banned from

Starting point is 01:01:57 playing until it clears the courts? I would think so. I think the tour would stop you from entering the tournament saying you're no longer a part of this organization. And you could fight it out for as long as you want. I think the top guys are going to just watch how that plays out. Watch the public perception. They're going to be counting on a whole lot of stuff. Like what Norman did this week that basically that they're just going to wear people down and the, you know, the negative attention around it just slowly wanes week by week by week by week.

Starting point is 01:02:24 People stop asking about the sports washing and the human rights thing. And, you know, in a year, maybe two years from now, does it make a lot more sense for Lee Westwood and, and once Denson has done his cap and see in the rider cup, which was news this week, that he signed a contract with the DP World Tour. It's basically not go to the Saudis now. Does that change the picture? I think it's, I, I'm super keen to see who the brave warriors are going to be on that front line,

Starting point is 01:02:49 but I don't think it's going to be the names that we had rumored as of a few weeks ago because I think Phil scared to shit out of everybody. Randy, any thoughts on any of that? So many thoughts, but I guess just quickly or more briefly, I just the, I'm not a politician stuff is really insulting. I think these people, I don't know if they just truly want to hide behind that or they think we're all very stupid. But we know you're not a politician.

Starting point is 01:03:24 It's, it's like not even no one's asking you if you're here. Yeah, you're nobody's asking if you're a politician. I mean, I'm sure these people have opinions on other political matters that they might be very happy to share. It just I don't know. I hope when these players do inevitably make the jump in some of the bigger ones, and there is some backlash amongst the public,

Starting point is 01:03:53 you know, if I hear the word like cancel or what's another go, like it's gonna drive me freaking bonkers because just as they have the right to play anywhere in the world and make the most money. Well, I am right to think it's really pretty shitty and maybe I'll tell you that via Twitter, you know. It's just gonna be a fascinating dynamic

Starting point is 01:04:21 to see how this all plays out. The most cynical parts of me, the last thing you said probably would be my guess how it goes in that, yeah, we're all just going to like, there's going to be a little to-do at first and then we're all just going to move on and life's going to continue on. And you know, where that leaves us in a year to years, three years, five years. I don't really know exactly, but if there are this amount of big money tournaments to be had, then there's no doubt in my mind they're going to track the full field of golfers eager to play for that money. I just don't want to, I don't want to operate and obviously neither of you are doing this, but

Starting point is 01:05:04 what worries me a little bit is almost operating under the assumption that this is going to be a good product. You know what I mean? Like there's so much talk and like, oh, it's so much money, it's so much money, it's so much money. I'm like, well, it's probably based on everything I've heard, at least at first going to be like really shit players, playing at really shit golf courses, probably on a really shit Production that has like never done golf before and it's like why it like that doesn't just the person like doesn't make it good Like I don't again. I feel like I'm Harkening back to some of our you know before the Before retiring from the coverage takes

Starting point is 01:05:41 Type moments is like yo, I don't please know yo, I don't, please know that like I don't have to watch this like nobody has to watch this and it might be like absolutely horrid. And that that with their entire attitude about this, just like we got done saying it like, it just seems like it is putting fans at the absolute bottom of the scrap heap here and just like taking so much for granted to where it's like, you know, the Valsbar, that was bordering on the, you know, for speaking honestly here. It was a great finish, Sam Burns. Congratulations.

Starting point is 01:06:11 That's that's bordering on the, you know, the press business of being a pretty fucking bad product. If we're, if we're being real, real honest, I thought the players was great. I, I, I, I, I'll interject and say bad, maybe, but just a product that nobody really needs unnecessary. That's what I'm trying to say. An unimportant product. And that is like going to be 20 times better than what we're looking at here, at least at the outset. That's what the huge enormous problem with, I mean, I hate to even give it this much credence like the

Starting point is 01:06:45 bullshit spray of like growing the game is like, you're fracturing the golf world. Yes. At best, you're fracturing it. Like it's not good for the long-term sustainability of the game of golf. It's absolutely not. All right. You there is, there's no possible way that like fans come out better for this. And I know there's a small amount of people out there that say, oh, the more competitive

Starting point is 01:07:03 golf, the better. It's like, the more competitive golf with the best golfer spread out in other places is not better. Like it's just not. And that goes to like if you really love the underdog stories, you better have not been fucking watching March Madness this week. You better have been watching Matthew Neesbeth Smith try to win that tournament, right? Yeah, totally. I stole that one from DJ earlier. I was spending it. You're supposed to get that one out earlier. Yes, I don't, I don't know. We can continue here. I mean, there's with just more crazy stuff. He said 87% of the support of the comments about Phil since his incident

Starting point is 01:07:33 have been in support of him during this dark time. He's got 87% online support, which, yeah, I think we can, we can for sure just take those numbers and face value. Don't believe everything you read out there because you're hearing opinions on zero knowledge of what the business model is all about. And I'm talking, we don't even have a business model. And I'm talking world class players.

Starting point is 01:07:55 Yeah, I mean, it kind of comes with, you know, just blowing smoke up players' asses for the last several months. I think probably contributes to a lot of that. I put a call into Jay, I've tried to reach for him for every year. He's just said no, I don't want to meet. So I kind of stole that one from the PGL too.

Starting point is 01:08:08 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we got some questions from listeners. You want to go through some of these, please. He from Drew C. So he says Greg mentioned on five clubs that live won't have OWGR points on day one. Could the OWGR block them from getting certified? Um, I believe he mentioned that they may not have them by the first event. When asked if

Starting point is 01:08:30 they're going to have OWGR, of course, the answer was yes. Of course, of course, we mean the best OWGR points you've ever said definitively said, yes, we're going to have OWGR. I'd have to familiarize myself completely with the process, but I believe it's something along the lines, crafting if I'm wrong, De deach where it is a two year process for, from submitting approval to getting approved for ODIB GR points. I think that's the way, yeah, the pret, they, their backway in might be the PGA tour bypassed that for PGA tour China through some kind of manipulation on at the board level

Starting point is 01:09:02 and got them immediate world ranking points, which I think they may be able to, I don't know, legally say, like, all right, well, we need it, because you did that for PJ tour China, but I think that's right. Okay. That's how I understand it, but they definitely would know a lot better than we would. If he's saying that they may not have him by the first event, that's probably pretty telling as far as what the timeline won't be. I don't, if they don't have it by the first one, I don't think they'll have by the second one. Right. It was asked to be spoken to the majors. He said he'd only spoken to one of them. That was kind of shocking.

Starting point is 01:09:30 Yeah. The members of his staff had spoken to the others, I believe he said. That almost makes me think that they're kind of rushing this thing. Almost. Like I don't, I haven't gotten all the way there yet, but which again, I keep coming back to like, what is the rush on this? Like what? Man, I don't get it unless it is just like kind of a dumb plan.

Starting point is 01:09:54 And that's where I think we're gonna talk a lot of PGL stuff as well, strap in, but that's, I think what's almost been kind of probably kind of maddening from a like, I want everything to happen as fast as possible. Perspective and the world that we live in now, but also almost kind of impressive where it's like, man, they seem like they're on no timetable at all.

Starting point is 01:10:14 Just like, oh, yeah, you guys want to do all this work for us and figure out what's going to happen with players and anti-competitiveness and all that stuff. Like, yeah, cool, we'll be over here. Like, good luck. Big takeaway from this week, and I know this picture is, and we're going to try to paint it as best as we can. I know for people that aren't as familiar with the situation, it's, it's maybe hard to see it this way. And I might be wrong on this, but I, I feel

Starting point is 01:10:35 quite strongly that the developments this past week, the schedule rolling out, the money being officially put up by this SGL helps the PGL so much. I think it, and I'll get it, we'll get into why, but I strongly believe that. Do you agree with that sentiment? I, yeah, I do agree. I think to, to a point, right? Like I don't wanna underestimate the solusness and the dumbness of the times

Starting point is 01:11:02 in which we live also, right? And that there could be, like, we could be sitting here a year from now and this event, you know, series could go off without a hitch and every big name jumps and it just becomes like the world that we live in now. And I'm not discounting that happening. It's, it's shockingly possible, I think. I just think that that would be I would be a significantly less of a golf fan sitting here at at this point next year and I would have Unless something drastically changed next to know it or to actually watching that from week to week I think would only make the majors better. I'd be more you know pump to watch watch the four majors But I would agree that I think that the PGL is helped in all this, but I also

Starting point is 01:11:45 could see it, you know, I'm not trying to waffle, but I also could see where, you know, this big, dumb, loud barrel of money outweighs everything else. But I think the best, you know, players know that they're going to be making on the side a sacrifice on their endorsements, at least initially, on if they're joining this league. I don't think they're they're, I mean, RBC takes their logo off DJ when he goes and plays a Saudi international like it's not going to translate completely. Yet if there is a huge dumb pile of money also that has a model that works within the PGA tour and works for all PGA tour members. Like, so we have this one, we have thing one right now, which is PGA tour thing to is this huge pile of money with live golf tour, whatever you want to call it.

Starting point is 01:12:28 If players are really allured to thing two there, now all of a sudden thing one PGA tour with a bolstered amount of money added onto it, especially for the top players that would be jumping. All of a sudden that is a huge card to be played for players to be like, go, go match this model. They're putting up all this money. It's done money and I don't want to be involved in the Saudis. But we will, if you don't come match this model. It's going to be put to the hands of the PGA tour players. Eventually, and that's a important thing we're going to lay out with the PGL to vote and decide on whether or not they want to take, at least start listening to this model

Starting point is 01:13:05 that could prevent, provide them so many things that this Saudi league would offer, yet also, you know, be not completely reprehensible, and also have a model that works very, very well for golf fans. And also not like completely gut pro golf, right? And completely splinter pro golf and fracture pro golf. Yes. Do we want to just get into the PGL news of the week here? A couple of couple of things that just to kind of caught my eye about Norman saying many

Starting point is 01:13:30 of the top single digit players in the world responded to his email right away saying how excited they were for the news to come out. Super curious about if that is true or who those people are. And then there was a couple other questions on live golf. Michael, can I just rattle off those names real quick? John Rom, Colin Moore, Kyle Victor, Havel and Patrick Cantley, Scottie, Shaffler, Cam Smith, Rory McElroy, Justin Thomas, Zander, Shoffley, Dustin Johnson, which of those guys, multiple

Starting point is 01:14:00 of those guys, immediately emailed back, saying like, wow, this all looks awesome. I'm so pumped. You know, I just, I might not be buying that one. DJ would be the most intrigued, but there's no A's emailing. That's my, that would be my answer to that. Dustin Johnson 69 at Yahoo.com. Against the win 89 asked, have you put in a request to interview Norman since he started in many press tours? Did he slash live decline? you put in a request to interview Norman since he started in many press tours did he slash live decline we have put a

Starting point is 01:14:27 Request in I feel less urgency to have him on since Gary's podcast I mean, there's not a whole lot more on top of what he asked that I would want to ask and I don't necessarily think I'd want to You know kind of I'd have a I wouldn't be able to hold it in professionally as well as he did probably in terms of accepting some of those answers. That's a compliment to Gary. That's not a shot at all. I don't think I could sit. I'd be like, that's bullshit. And then this one, I've got to get to this one. You may have already answered this one, DJ, but Michael B. Ferry, somewhat troll question, but genuinely curious on a scale of one to fire fest, where do you think live golf winds up? That's a really good. It's so cool.

Starting point is 01:15:06 Those fire fest. It would. And that's why I, yeah, I have nothing like personal against any of the people involved in this. I'm just, I keep saying like as a golf fan and as someone who flips on the TV to watch golf, like, yo, this is not what I'm looking for, man. And I, I hope fingers crossed that it like spectacularly fails. I hope everybody from the executive level to the players, to the golf courses.

Starting point is 01:15:30 I hope everybody who is willing to look the other way on what this is gets fucking decimated. Fingers crossed that like people get completely aired out and call with their pants down on. And I hope this thing like really goes up in flames. Would be great for me. Randy, what do you think? Yeah, I mean, that's the hope.

Starting point is 01:15:48 I'll say DJ's a little nicer. Like before this, I might not have had anything like personal against these people working for live golf and trying to bring for with, but I'd say like they're not anybody that have that much respect for her. I don't think it's gonna blow up right at first. I think maybe XFL, you know, big hype on event one

Starting point is 01:16:16 and slowly everybody just kind of like loses interest and then by year two it kind of goes away. It would be where I might see it, but you can never discount having limitless cash to burn to try to make it work. So it may hang on longer than I think. I don't know. I do, I do not know. I don't think I maybe I'm taking this very literally when it comes to fire fest, like operationally, it is hard to put on a golf tournament, but I think they could do that part. Yeah, it's on the golf tournament. ramped up and hire people and did all the things they have agencies that run the tournament. Totally. I don't mean that they're going to show up and that, you know, players are going

Starting point is 01:16:55 to be sleeping in, you know, in wet mattresses and in intense. Like, I think, I think they can host the tournaments. So, it like God, it'd be so sick. But yeah, let's let's transition here and talk some about the PGL, which I think we would have wanted to discuss regardless of whether or not there was news that came out this week, but there was news that came out this week, which was quickly kind of put to the back page after this came out on Tuesday night. A letter from the World Golf Group to Roy McElroy was released to the public. The morning read at SI and the fire pit collective released it on Tuesday night. It is a letter from the chairman of the board.

Starting point is 01:17:35 I think the World Golf Group Robert Maddoch is that right Roger Maddoch was sent to Rory and by proxy sent to the entire board of the PGA tour, it says that World Golf Group states it believes the PGL will generate $10 billion of equity value by 2030, which would equate to $20 million per PGA tour voting member and $3 million per corn fairy member. So just to break that down, because that's's a quick easy to gloss over all these numbers. The $10 billion of equity, basically the PGL has said in their hopes to partner with the PGA tour rather than be a competitor with the PGA tour with which I think we can unpack in a minute here. They want to hold back half of that equity and give it directly to players, right? And so I don't know if you have this later in the

Starting point is 01:18:21 notes, but essentially what that money would be, the, you know, 20 million, oh, sorry, keep going because you have the cash payments coming out here shortly. Correct. So in addition, the proposal includes a cash advance on future equity of $460 million in simple terms, each of the 200 voting members of the PGA tour would receive $2 million upon the launch of the PGL with 200 corn fairy members each getting $300,000. Do you want to talk about some of that before we get into some of the reporting that came

Starting point is 01:18:52 out this? No, you mentioned it can be a little confusing what the cash is, but it would essentially be borrowed from future equity would be a whole, a whole other conversation. But I think what's really interesting about this and just something to hold in mind and maybe it's better talked about or expanded upon at the end is that 200 players, 200 PGH or players, 200 corn fairy tour players. That changes on the calendar year, right? Or the change or I'm the, you know, the end of the season, right? Like, I don't want to say there should be like a sense of urgency because I don't really,

Starting point is 01:19:22 you know, care when it happens and it doesn't seem like the PGL cares when it happens, but man, if I was like number 150 to number 200 on either of those lists, I'd be pretty, pretty interested in like, hey man, maybe we should take a look at this now, rather than next year. Next year. Because if the door closes like,

Starting point is 01:19:39 if I'm number 201 next year, then I'm not part of potentially you know, potentially $20 million in equity or $2 million in cash. And I think that that's an important important thing to think about here because we had Andy on the podcast in November, as you mentioned, it took over two hours to talk about all the intricacies and we could probably, I'm not exaggerating, do another five. And maybe we will at some point, but in that he laid out exactly what would have to happen for the next steps, right? They originally had a model, the PGL had a model that involved

Starting point is 01:20:12 a total breakaway. They had investment from the public investment fund of Saudi Arabia. They had received, they were told by agents or whatever that may be that they needed to get a huge fund of a billion dollars. That's when Saudi Arabia came into the picture, et cetera. Once they kind of realized and recognized that they had a huge chicken and egg problem again. Andy talked about a lot of this on the podcast. They revisited their model to say to work with the PGA tour and he says in the podcast

Starting point is 01:20:40 as well, believe me or not, you know, he seems very truthful when he says, I don't care if you believe me or not, but like our it seems very truthful when he says, I don't care if you believe me or not, but like our goal from the beginning was to work with the PGA tour and they've just had extreme difficulty getting in the doors, which I understand from the tours perspective, but revisit the model and redrafted it to have this equity, this equity model more than just having all this upfront cash and I true breakaway league. It's like, let's make PGA tour ink equity holders in World Golf Group, which is the premier golf league. Am I saying that right? I think so. And I think that was correct me from wrong. But I think that's kind of was the feedback that he got from a lot of top players. Well, right. It was like

Starting point is 01:21:18 after they had kind of raised the billion dollars and said, all right, we're going to do these big one-time payments. I think the feedback was a little bit more like, no, no, we'd rather have like equity in the league and in the teams and in all these other things. And also one of the problems being like for the top 48 guys that break away was going to be great yet they're looking at guy next to them that's 10 behind in the world rankings. And you know, like, like, I'm really sorry, but I got it. Like basically having trouble screwing over a lot of their peers was a when you're trying to get 48 guys to jump all at once and have all the broadcasts and everything like timed up.

Starting point is 01:21:51 It was just too much to try to do all at once, which is why we're going to again, we're going to see the the live golf be really weird in the beginning because they're not going to get 48 top players to jump all at once. So basically they have a model that has been poor. I want to get into kind of, this was in the fire pit collective. And this is a statement from Kevin Kisner that said, there was on the policy board, who's on the policy board of the PGA tour. Correct. He said, their proposal means a PGL has been studied and scrutinized by an independent company to test its viability. The results were presented to us to all of us, not feasible. And then this is also

Starting point is 01:22:31 from the fire pit article. It says a PGL investor who would speak only anonymously strongly disagrees the analysis saying, money is not an issue. We see how much of it is trying to enter the golf world. There's plenty of cash on the sidelines as we have witnessed. You don't think all these private equity guys wouldn't love a piece of a PGL franchise. A different source close to the PGL says, they don't have our model so I don't know what they audited. We on the other end have had our model audited by multiple financial institutions and industry experts and know it's not only viable but conservative for PGA tour players. The answer is this, let us take you through the model. If it isn't viable, what do you have to lose? So basically, you know, the tour has either told players they've

Starting point is 01:23:13 audited it or have audited something and they don't have the financial report from art and full disclosure with all this as well. We have spent hours and hours and hours speaking with Andy and other people involved with the PGL over the last several weeks, kind of gathering a lot of this information. But it is an interesting statement that comes from the board, which I don't know if it's going to come back to bite them in any way, to say that they've audited a financial report that they don't have. Right.

Starting point is 01:23:40 That's, I don't know, makes you think about, it makes you think about a lot of stuff, makes you think about kind of like, you know, it makes you think about a lot of stuff makes you think about kind of like You know you think about a lot I was gonna say I'm gonna sit back here because you guys are the former auditors I don't know how that world works, but I imagine there's probably some some thumbs being put on the scale maybe some encouragement to Potentially come up with the numbers that would be helpful for you to come up with but I I don't know how that world works. And we have, the financial report has not been shared with the public.

Starting point is 01:24:11 We have seen the financial report and we again have not personally audited it, but within it includes specifics as to how they arrive at certain numbers. And there is a lot of documentation they have. They have gotten the models that they've used for broadcast rights and things like that have been put together with the help and supervision and review of media buyers, the people that paid the money for this, that have signed off on this to say,

Starting point is 01:24:38 I don't know how this exactly works, but like, that's the people that they work with that come up with the numbers that add up to the 10 billion, right? Again, I cannot swear off on 10 billion dollars, but the, they are extremely confident in how they came up with it. And it's not just numbers written on the, on the back of a piece of paper. That is, that is definitely not the way it seems. And it just, when you marry that to, the two things of like this, the PGA tour board is telling players or Kisner is saying, we've reviewed this and it doesn't work financially and yet they actually haven't

Starting point is 01:25:10 reviewed it is like, well, wait a second here. What happens when these, the PGA tour players find out that this information has not been shared and they're telling the member, like we're saying to the members, no, no, it's fine. It's not viable. Oh, and the PGL raises their hands And says no, no, you you don't have it like you haven't reviewed it and why don't you let us explain it to then you can decide whether or not It's accurate and if we don't even don't think it's accurate will move on but if they're lying or telling an inaccurate story to the PGA

Starting point is 01:25:37 Tour players that seems like a dangerous game to play no and even if you know, I get that there's obviously a cost to like uprooting and changing all of these things, but Even if the numbers 5 billion and not 10 billion and all these numbers that we're talking about are are have Like it's still a lot of money that we're talking about that You know if you're operating if you're operating interest is to make as much money for the players as possible This still seems like there's a lot of money to be made, even if the numbers are only half of what they say. They are. You know, yeah.

Starting point is 01:26:10 Any reaction, big guy? Oh, God, guys, I didn't get it. It kind of just do pretty much build you a model to say anything you want, given sufficient motivation and inclination to do so. So I take all of this with a gigantic, gigantic grain of salt. That's not to say I don't know if the PGA players have reviewed the best or latest information quite honestly, quite honestly, where all of this makes me go is like, man, I don't care.

Starting point is 01:26:41 Just tell me what happens when we get there. And I know I've said that before, but I just I have not gotten into any of this stuff really. Is it the team golf, the whole idea of 18 kind of super balls with all the best players? That doesn't interest you at all. It just seems like such a pipe dream. It seems like I don't know. It seems far flung still to me at this point. I don't disagree with you, but I, I, I, I think that the guys involved the PGL know that,

Starting point is 01:27:11 right, to be a pipe dream, yet they've devised this system or this proposal to be extremely appealing to all decision makers in this, right? Corn PGA tour members, you're getting straight up cash and equity into this league. And again, worth reiterating, not just 48 players who are playing in this league. Correct. All 200 PGA Tour players, all 200 Corn Ferry Tour players. Okay, here's what I still don't understand is if this is such an awesome idea for everybody, why doesn't the PGA Tour just say, thank you, we're going to implement this on our own.

Starting point is 01:27:53 What I don't understand what the outside world golf league, uh, world golf group, I don't understand what they bring to the table. It is a question I asked any directly on that podcast in November and uh, he's he spoke to that. He said honestly, we'd be happy if they did just take it because I don't believe in that in I don't believe in it All I don't believe that part either, but it at least speaks to like where I believe he is coming from and why I am a fan of the idea Is that it seems fan centric right and like he he speaks and he could be lying for all I know But he speaks so often publicly and privately about this being interesting for fans, right? This whole thing, like, doesn't make sense if it's not making, you know, golf that much more entertaining. And I, I don't think the PGA tour has the vision or urgency or capability to do anything like this, like the leaders, the people that run the tour,

Starting point is 01:28:42 the decision makers there don't want to be seen as the people that seated their power to some outside organization, right? That's just not what they're going to lead with. Yet if they are forced into this by the players, like by the, the people that are supposedly kind of running the tour, saying like, we're voting on this, like, this is what we want to do. That is kind of the only way in. I would say. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:29:03 I think that makes sense. I also just worth mentioning again, I don't know what I'm talking about in this area at all, but I wonder some of it has to do with just the way the PJ tours set up and the 501 C6 structure and all that stuff. I don't know if you can have a breakaway, like I don't know if you can have part of your entity, kind of, you know, in this we sell sponsor sponsor like we sell franchises, we sell all these things and have part of it as kind of your existing structure. I don't know how that works, but that could be part of it.

Starting point is 01:29:33 I definitely don't think it's coincidence that, you know, the, the report came out a couple months ago or whenever that was right around Christmas about the, the potential, what is it? Three event team series or the tour kind of starting to dip their toe into this stuff. I would guess that the idea is exactly what you're saying, Randy, which is like, why don't we, you know, maybe this does make sense? And why don't we start to just do as much of it as we can

Starting point is 01:29:56 by ourselves, which solid would bring me to your point, which is the tour. Listen, the tour is great. No one loves the tour more than me, but it's, I wouldn't say they get a ton of benefit of the doubt on really breaking the mold in creative ways. And that's why I think the worst thing that can happen from this and it's probably the most likely outcome is like a lame compromise of some way. Yes.

Starting point is 01:30:21 Like, we'll take some of this part of the idea without really capturing the spirit of it. And that's kind of like that three team, you know, three event team series for the fall. That's what it wreaked up to me. And I, I think a total reboot where there are 18 events plus five majors, and I'll count the players in that where all the top players are going to be there for all of it is like way more fallible and interesting for golf fans. That's to be there for all of it is like way more fallible and interesting for golf fans. That's the basis of it for me.

Starting point is 01:30:48 I also think what's so cool about it, like I spent a ton of time going through, you sound like I know what I'm looking at or talking about, but going through like the financial model and going through like some of the more business planning type stuff. And it does seem like there's an answer to a lot of the questions that people ask, right? And a lot of the people are like, well, I want to, I don't want to watch a bunch of events in Saudi Arabia.

Starting point is 01:31:13 It's like, all right, well cool, that we've got 12 events in the US, two in Europe, one in Australia, one in the UAE and two in Asia. Like, would watch. Sounds great. And if you don't know the answer, like if they've not put all of the information out there Publicly that doesn't mean that there's not an answer to it right and they're not trying to win the PR war when I think just going through a couple more of

Starting point is 01:31:31 The star are they or are they I think a couple more of the things is like well I you know I like watching the underdogs. I don't want to watch you know Just the same guys every week. That's like a WGC. They have a 13th team like a a team of like true wild cards that does change one team that changes every week, that's like a WGC. They have a 13th team, like a team of like true wild cards that does change, one team that changes every week. So you have, you know, just three wild card or three wild kind of feel, yeah. So you have those like that aspect of it

Starting point is 01:31:56 where like you could have a life-changing win literally every week is in the field. I think the money is like outrageous. Like I think going through like don't don't sleep on how much money the PGL is putting up on the table here for for what we're talking about. I think I think this is out there as well, but I think they're promoting 392 million for 18 events, which breaks down, you know, by 51 players is the average player makes $7.7 million for the year. The prize money. So that's what did I say? The $392 million for 18 events. The prize money,

Starting point is 01:32:33 one by the top 51 players in 2021 was $206 million. That includes FedEx cup bonuses. That includes everything except the majors. It's a shitload more money. Now granted, I'm like a per event basis. I think the PGL is still pretty far behind live just because there are only eight events and this would be 18. So there's that. But I don't know. I think the whole like selling franchises aspect of it is is another thing where, you know, we hadn't really talked about this a ton. I don't think where it's like, okay, so the corn fairy tour still exists. The PGA tour, quote unquote, like the PGA tour without the top 48 guys still exists.

Starting point is 01:33:12 But we're just building another thing on top of this that's gonna be worth all this money. I think it's a very valid question. Like, okay, where does all that money come from? Right? And I think some of the aspects and feel free to jump in with more of this. But some of the aspects is just like the sale of franchises.

Starting point is 01:33:27 Think about how much, you know, I think in their model, they value the franchises. It's something like something between like $400 million and $500 million something like that. Adding up 12 of those is a significant amount of revenue that can't really exist in this individual, you know, player player model that we have. So there's a bunch there. I don't know. I mean, it's basically the idea is realizing a lot of what current, you know, he says this in the statement, I forget who it was from the PGL that really said the statement to

Starting point is 01:33:57 the fire pit of like the money that's sitting on the sidelines, right? Like the money that, you know, companies would be willing to invest in sponsor if they get something totally different from what the PGA tour offers them, which not everyone is very thrilled with how, not everyone's thrilled with their per dollar return for what they get out of. It's the model would not look like the current commercial model looks like, right?

Starting point is 01:34:20 Because that's a whole nother avenue that we can go down. But the idea of capturing this value of a team ownership, that none of that exists currently, so that's an inflow right there. And then the television broadcast, if you totally remodel how that is and how sponsors can activate on site

Starting point is 01:34:37 and how you can have basically garage visits, like they do inform you the one, but for sponsors and you're making revenue off that. And then realizing maybe potentially all this gambling data down the road and all this stuff like it it it it It's a vision that I can't even like fully I feel like I under it's kind of like crypto. I can understand I can't teach it I can't teach it but like man it makes a lot of sense and really if you keep going keep going on these questions that you're throwing out there like Okay, well why this why this it really does seem like it just if you keep pulling the keep going on these questions that you're throwing out there, okay, well why this, why this? It really does seem like it just,

Starting point is 01:35:07 if you keep pulling the string, it ends up at, yeah, but we need someone with a vision that's leading the PGA tour to wanna do it. Like that's what it's all gonna boil down to. Like who's gonna benefit from all this? I don't know what the downside really is. Like if it blows up spectacular, you just go back to this model, which I don't think it the downside really is. Like if it blows up spectacular, you just go back to this model,

Starting point is 01:35:26 which I don't think it's gonna be a damaged product in any way if you do. And to their point, they're just like just at least hear us out. And if you don't like the proposal, that's when things can get super interesting. Because if you go back and again, and listen to that podcast,

Starting point is 01:35:40 Andy lays out what has to happen. And he says, what we need basically, and I'm summarizing this paraphrasing it, but what we need is Rory to take this to, you know, the players and decide on this, right? And what happened shortly after that, Rory came on the podcast and mentioned that he listened to Andy on there and that as you saw now this information, this letter has gone to Rory, the board, and now the players and the public have all seen this, right? So that was the next step.

Starting point is 01:36:03 The goal of that to be like, get everyone, all the players attention, give them the opportunity to learn about it, give them the opportunity to vote on it. I don't know exactly how that stuff plays out, what not, but that is the sequence of events that has to happen. And if the players say no, they have a decision. They have a decision from all of the people

Starting point is 01:36:19 that they're trying to give a lot of money to, right off the bat. And if the players say no to that, then they revisit the model of the chicken and egg and getting players to jump. And I also go back to, you know, we've talked about this with different sponsorship stuff, you know, throughout the years. But when you see the way that people's, and I'm not saying this the same thing, $400 million is a shitload of money, as you said.

Starting point is 01:36:43 But when you see the way people's, like some of these CEOs faces light up when they're in the same room as some of these players, like you understand why they make these sponsorship, like agreements. It's not for ROI reasons, it's not because like the math equation tells them it makes sense. It's because a lot of these people are like golf dorks

Starting point is 01:37:02 that just want to spend time with pro golfers. And this idea that there's like, I don't know who they have on board. I'm sure there's a number of billionaires in their ear that live, breathe. All they do is think about golf. This idea to have like, I'm the captain of one of these brand new ships

Starting point is 01:37:20 and I'm gonna be texting all these guys constantly and I'm gonna be thinking about ad drops and who we're gonna have on the team and all these other things. Like, I could see why that would be very, very, very appealing to somebody who's, you know, for whom money is like basically abstract. Granted, they need to find 12 of them, but that's, you know, I don't think it's, I think the number is probably gonna be higher than what would make logical sense. And I guess the only other thing I had on this too is a big part of this Randy, I think the number is probably going to be higher than what would make logical sense. And I guess the only other thing I had on on this too is a big part of this Randy, I think is understanding how much of this the tour could do on their own without World Golf Group

Starting point is 01:37:53 PGL, any of those guys, because I mean, I think it would be, it's not a very far bridge to draw on your head that like, yeah,, of course they haven't met with these people because if they do want to do anything similar to this, they can't read the report. They can't have a meeting with these people. They can't do any of these things and then go do, like, cut them out and go do the same thing on their own, right? So they almost need to, like the PJ tour would need to protect themselves, I would think like legally as well, I'm trying not to, you know,

Starting point is 01:38:25 trying to figure out if this is something they want to do on their own down the road, they can't like have already had the idea seated and be intimately familiar with the proposal, right? Or I would think they would open themselves up to lawsuits there. I don't know enough about the law to like what's protected under trademark.

Starting point is 01:38:46 I like I definitely do. So just for sure, just take my word on that. I just struggle with gosh, those valuation numbers when we put it in the context of, I don't know. Like does it feel like professional golf is, I just don't see the worldwide growth and appeal of it, maybe compared to some other things. But I've been wrong before and certainly will be wrong again. So I don't know.

Starting point is 01:39:19 But I'm just deeply dubious and skeptical, I guess, is my resting position. Well, your opinion doesn't count here because you believe that the tour has 20 billion dollars in digital assets because your bull fill set that. Yeah, I wish I could say more confidently what I think about the numbers. Like, I don't know how to, listen, I was a former auditor, but, you know, I don't know how to review projectional models like this that, you know that as far as valuations of companies and things like that. That's kind of the beauty of projections,

Starting point is 01:39:50 is they can kind of be what you want them to be. And then you just have to make a decision whether you believe in it and want to fund it and go forward or whether you don't. But here's where I think it's important, Randy, is I don't think they need to be that right for the decision makers to be heavily incentivized to want to pursue this anyway, right? For the people involved, they're like, hey, we're going to give you this much in cash

Starting point is 01:40:11 straight up. Like, the equity might be worth this 10 billion in the future, right? Which, you know, you guys are going to have a stake in and I don't want to get into how the loans are structured and the equity is all structured. It's pretty complicated, but like, you know yo straight up, like, do you want this couple of million dollars right here, you know, for PGA tour players and Corm迫y guys, do you want this 300K and this new model that's also going to have a trickle

Starting point is 01:40:35 down flow effect into future income? Like, does that get your attention? And also has a path for like what you can work towards in your own career, right? Like that's the other thing is like, all these guys are so hell bent on betting on themselves, right, and they all want the upside of these careers and like, they see themselves being a top 10 player in the world, you know.

Starting point is 01:40:57 I would think unless, like, you're not gonna be a top 10 player in the world unless you have that mindset, right, and we've heard it from every kind of professional golfer out there. Like, what's your goal? It's like, well, to be number one in the world. And sometimes you're like, Oh, shit, you like so no way. But like, they all have that mindset, which is where something like this just seems like it makes so much more sense to me. And keeping that entire ecosystem in place rather than again, like dog Greg Norman was on the podcast talking about I think Gary Williams asked him like, Hey, you have a team event as your like capstone thing.

Starting point is 01:41:31 It's going to be for $50 million. You guys don't even know like how teams are going to be formed. How are you going to like figure out who's eligible for that? He's like, you know, that's a great question. We're working on that. We're working on that. Like, that's the stuff where I'm like, yo, it just seems like you guys are completely like throwing dynamite into the office and grabbing as much cash as you possibly can and then whatever happens happens. But like, I'm going to have a ton

Starting point is 01:41:54 of cash. It's going to be sick. Whereas this just feels like it is keeping that entire infrastructure in place and ecosystem in place for people to actually move up and down throughout the game. A golf while also making sure that these top players are paid and all of these things that we've been talking about for the last two years that are a little out of whack. Yeah. I don't know what's going to happen. I do know. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:42:18 But like I think that I think it's not over. I think it's definitely not over. I think it is. I've said this before, but the the carrot meme I can post this on Twitter if you want, but the meme of the two carrots, the two rabbits standing with, you know, the part of the, it's hard. I can't explain the verbal meme. It makes a lot of sense. Basically, it says the PGL's been working quietly behind the scenes, and the SGL is loudly, you know, staking their claim in the game, the world of golf. And I know which one of the two models makes a lot more sense to me.

Starting point is 01:42:50 So anything else on that? Are we ready to move on? A couple of other items here to cover here before we approach the two hour mark. But not a ton. I don't think to report on this front. But there was a from the RNA and usga distance insight, a distance insights update. I highly recommend Jeff Shackleford's newsletter, the quadrilateral that kind of details us and basically spelled it out better than I could. But basically, uh, the USDA and RNA is, you know, investigating impacts on hitting distance from, uh, in basically

Starting point is 01:43:18 the big takeaway is increasing the ball speed tests for golf balls to reflect club head speeds achieved by today's longest hitters. So kind of in layman's terms, basically, I believe the proposal or the suggestion or whatever it is, would be to test golf ball performance at speeds of 125 miles an hour instead of 120 basically honing in on potential limitations and dialbacks for specific to the highest swing speeds. So a lot of people have a lot of issues with potential changes in distance, basically, especially Joe Ameter, they may be swings at 90 miles an hour saying, I don't want to lose my distance. It sounds like from this report and this update, I guess, if you will, that they are focused

Starting point is 01:43:59 in the right areas and not focus on taking away distance from from Mr. 90 mile an hour. I'm not looking at you directly. Randy, I was just looking off in the distance. I wait, wait, what, what are people upset about losing their distance? What, that would even, oh my God, I hit my driver 30 yard shorter. Guess what? I'm going to move up a set of T's. People don't move up.

Starting point is 01:44:18 That's the problem, big. They don't. Well, right. And I'm saying, if you're listening to this pipe, move up. It's more fun. You're here. And I'm saying, and if you're listening to this pipe, move up, it's more fun. You're here. You're also right. Good. Randy hasn't hit 90 miles an hour in years. Exactly. We're fine. We're not talking about it. Yeah. I guarantee you're going to stink whether you hit that driver's 30 yards longer or not. If you're interested in reading more, they're also allowing for continued innovation of balls and clubs for players

Starting point is 01:44:45 that all levels are some potential spin changes balls to all that stuff. I I don't know this report well enough to kind of to kind of teach it, but just flagging it for the future. It seems like it'll be an interesting discussion point whenever changes are officially made all above my pay grade. Maybe at the most we've ever had this is a watch this space for further updates very much so the fluid situation. Yeah. Looking ahead to this coming week, we got the match play Bryson has committed to the tournament as of Friday. There's a lot of there's some celebration going on on social media about that. Is he still in the field? Do you think by the time that blank is listening to this episode? I mean, I'll say no just because I mean, he was committed to Bay Hill. He was committed to the players and, you know, it sounds like the wrist injury

Starting point is 01:45:28 is not good. And I'll guess no, but that is a complete guess. Do we see Bryce in this week, Randy? I'll take the other side. Of course we see. I mean, Valiant, Valiant, come back. The golf world awaits his return with baited breath. I also It seems like a V. I guess he's just trying to get reps probably at this point before Augusta if he is coming back, but coming back to a match play event also would be kind of weird and I don't know. I think it seems strange.

Starting point is 01:45:56 I can't this is like a this is a practically a home game though. So this is a an interesting inflection point for Bryce and I think it's it's been a kind of a little bit of a dick move to make these commitments and pull out knowing that your health is really not very good. From what I've heard, rumor-wise, maybe a little worse than you've even let on, you commit to another tournament in bail week of, then now you're just like being an asshole. Now you are not only to the last guy that's not in the field yet, but sponsors, all that stuff. This is officially a thing if you withdraw from this one. So with

Starting point is 01:46:27 that in mind, I think we may see in this week. I don't know. That's the only reason why. As always, I hope we do every turn of its better when he's there. So I hope we hope we do see him. MJH 730 update on future no laying up content, please. Do you think you want to shine a line on deep in the edit bay on strapped season 10 right now, which we did in South Carolina. I don't know if we actually announced that or not, but there we go. Randy and I, and along with Ben and Mack Olden,

Starting point is 01:46:58 just got done filming a, I'm gonna still call it a top secret project, not willing to divulge quite what it is yet. All I'll say is that it was a week long. You can do some detective work on that. I think big rain me and if I'm getting over zealous, I think it's the most, I think it's what, I probably the coolest shoot we've ever done. I think that's right.

Starting point is 01:47:23 I think that's right. So, taking nothing away from anything. Anything, of course, of course. the coolest shoot we've ever done. I think that's right. I think that's right. So taking nothing away from anything anything. Of course, of course, of course. No, I couldn't be more excited about it. That news of that will come out in due time. So watch this face. Watch this face. That's it on the video front, I think. I think that's it on the golf front for this week. Are we ready to? Well, we got to other couple of ready. What's going with the trap draw? Oh, big week coming up on the trap draw for this week. Are we ready to, uh, well, we got all the couple, ready what's going on with the trap draw? Oh, big week coming up on the trap draw.

Starting point is 01:47:47 We have a two part Oscars extravaganza with myself in DJ and Timothy Simons. You might know him best playing Jonah on the show, Veepe. We break down part one. It's just a broad movie discussion. We go a lot of weird places and then part two, we break down the each best picture film that's been nominated in depth. So excited about that. And then the week after that's going to be a really fun, perfect club DJ and I talk to Ben Rector about making a new album out now, the joy of music and love, love, love, our discussion with Ben Rector. So the next few weeks on the trap draw some exciting, funny, weird stuff, which is the way we like it. Love that. We have a recording interview this weekend that will I believe come out this Tuesday in case, you know,

Starting point is 01:48:42 shifting tides in the golf world, you never know if it might get bumped the next week. So I won't tease it just yet. But I really, really enjoy this interview. And we're about time to start doing Masters prep. That's will be it's coming. Masters is coming. I can confirm that on the horizon. That is it for golf.

Starting point is 01:49:00 That is it for golf, which I'll stand by that before we did the trap draw update. Because that was not a lot of golf update in that. So when I said that we're done with all you're right. Yeah, good call So if you would like to turn it off, please feel free as some people do not enjoy when we discuss formula one is back The ball ring grand prix did you watch all of it today? What did you think? I did I had a blast. It's it's early randy. Forgive me. You said you had watch you hadn't watched no I had I didn't get to watch it live. I have it taped, but I have not had a chance

Starting point is 01:49:28 to actually watch it yet. You're gonna drop off, you don't want any spoilers. No, it's okay. Okay, well, I'll say that I had a blast watching. Didn't know how the, I didn't really follow it, super, super closely. That's a bit of a byproduct of, they're being a fucking golf tournament

Starting point is 01:49:42 every single week. And we just, it's a lot to keep up with. I, I didn't really have a great, great, great sense. I knew there were a lot of changes coming to F1, but I didn't have a great sense of what they were, how they were going to be implemented, how they were going to affect, uh, the grid, the paddock. Would we see instantaneous impacts from those changes and with, with, in the P5 position, I think you can say we've

Starting point is 01:50:05 seen immediate impact stars. I had a blast, man. A lot of it was they were talking about, you know, with new cars, new, I don't know if it's new exhaust systems or the way that the exhaust somehow is funneled. I don't know how it works, but the big, big issue was, these cars were spitting up so much dirty air. You couldn't actually get right on people's heels. You couldn't really do a lot of rub and racing, which we saw in spades today. I saw a ton of great overtakes, re-overtakes, re-overtakes. Oh, my gosh. I mean, it was just great.

Starting point is 01:50:37 A great battle between Shaw the Claire and Max Verstappen. Spoiler alert, Randy didn't go well for Verst Stappin coming down to the last couple of laps. But I had a great time watching. It looks like, I mean, man, what can I say more than, that Haas is currently third in the constructor stand. It's right now. What, like what more do you possibly want out of F1 than that? I, I think I am.

Starting point is 01:51:01 And Ferrari's back. Yeah. I got a big way. Mostly in on the new cars for the point you just made the Verstappen LeClaire battle was my experience watching F1. It was like, a lot of anticipation of, okay, maybe on this lap so and so, at this point is going to have a chance to overtake them. And once he does that, he's not going to lose the spot back. Right.

Starting point is 01:51:21 Just the way the previous cars worked. Watching those two trade the spot back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and it lost the inevitability of an overtake. It wasn't like, there's still gonna be times when it's like so and so has the pace and it's gonna be able to get past this guy, but the ability to fire back is gonna make just watching a race that much more entertaining.

Starting point is 01:51:40 Now, so far it seems like there's a ton of complications with the new cars that Mercedes hasn't figured out and obviously Red Bull had not figured out. You know, they had two guys drop out of the cars lost power. I still don't know what happened. I haven't followed up as to what happened, but I got a text from a friend who said it was a completely bull decision for Red Bull to start the season by designing engines that blow up mid-race.

Starting point is 01:52:03 No one on Red Bull finished the race, neither for Stappin or Perez finished the race and it ended just horrifically for them in Ferraris. One that LaClaire goes pole position, wins the race and gets fastest lap and Carlos signs finish second is the best possible start to the season they possibly could have. Mercedes struggled all weekend long and they finished

Starting point is 01:52:22 third, fourth and are now second. The constructors already. So even when things are going horribly for them, it goes very well. And Red Bull is sitting at the bottom with zero points. We had our beautiful boy, Georgie, get some points in his Mercedes debut. That was a blast. Just a complete shit show for our guys in McLaren, the Zach Brown band, very, very to complete chicken fried out there.

Starting point is 01:52:48 I hate that. Yeah, I was like that. They're closing the sand. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, man, it was just it was a great race. I had a had a blast watching today. It definitely it is a change of pace. Just Ferrari alone having that much pace. I mean, this was not a fluke for Ferrari. I don't think. I mean, they were on, they had the best pace pretty much all weekend from what I gathered.

Starting point is 01:53:09 And it's a little fluke for Red Bull to get zero points out of it because they looked decent for most of the weekend. And Mercedes truly did not look good. But, you know, they always seem to figure it out. But it's going to be interesting to see how these teams evolve. I'm not sure how I feel about what the cars do to the tires. It seems like this might be a season of pit stops, which I think could be compelling. What's the most interesting part of the races, right? It's like, do they have time? Do

Starting point is 01:53:32 they not have time? How much is a pad pick going to cause you this is a cheap stop? I got to make this. I kind of like that. It's a bit like changing pictures, Randy. How long are you going to leave them in there? Yeah, a little strategy I am with. I like the pit stops. Love what my guy toe toe double stacks to. And next week they're going to Saudi Arabia, which would be cool. I feel like. Yeah, which I feel like, you know, I heard that they're making, which I know you guys are upset that I've been reading some stuff. They're making a lot of changes over there. And I think it's just

Starting point is 01:54:03 growing auto racing. Yeah, yeah, I think it's just growing the game of auto racing. I think it's going to be good to see them kind of get a fair shake in the world of sports. So that'll be good stuff. I can think of no better way to wrap up this extremely long show. So thank you everyone for tuning in. I hope you have a great week.

Starting point is 01:54:20 We'll be back to wrap up the match play next week. And yes, thank you, J it. Jess, crack on. Sick. It's getting right close. Be the right club today. Yes. Be the right. That's better than most.

Starting point is 01:54:39 How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. That is better than most. Better than most.

No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 534: Valspar Recap

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