No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 538: Tiger at Augusta, Chevron, ANWA, Valero Recap

Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Hello, hello, hello, good to be here. Big Randy is calling in. He is back home, but he spent some time out in Palm Springs this past week. Cannot wait to pick his brain on that. Hello, Big Randy. How are you? Hello, gentlemen.

Starting point is 00:00:51 It's so great to be with you. Thank you as always for allowing me to share this space. Huge week for Coloradans out in Palm Springs. That's right. That's right. In case you missed it, there are some new Callaway staffers on the women's scene and they are gaming rogue ST drivers. We have Atia Gino Tittacum announced as a Calloway staffer on Monday of the JTBC last week. Then she proceeded to win the event In a playoff. We also have Rose Zhang. I believe you guys are familiar with her DJ Randy. Maybe able to tell us a little bit about that.

Starting point is 00:01:21 She was in danger of missing the cut. Edni On well. We're going to talk some about that later. Came back firing to finish a round, finish round to Birdie Birdie. Birdie put herself in position for Saturday. Well, where will people be seeing some of Rose Ang soon? They'll be seeing it on our next week in the life video that we did with the Stanford women's golf team. I don't want to oversell it, Randy, but I think Rose might be my favorite player in the world.

Starting point is 00:01:43 I think that was my take my takeaway coming out of Palo Alto. Probably my favorite person in the world. We have got our rogue STs. We're getting ready to take them on a big golf trip, actually, which we may, uh, may discuss at some point this week. I am gaming the rogue ST triple diamond. What do you have, Deach? The max.

Starting point is 00:02:01 Uh, yeah, just the straight down the middle one straight down the middle one. Big Randy, what are you game in these days? The rogue ST, the straight down the middle, the max. The max. Yeah, just the straight down the middle one, straight down the middle one. Big Randy, what are you game in these days? The rogue ST, the straight down the middle, the max. The max. Okay. So the max. Yes, we keep hearing reports from the field about the rogue ST line having having very consistent distance. What that means is most simply as you are going to get more distance more often. We don't always all hit it on the screws every time. But the rogue ST line essentially gives you more screws to hit it on. I don't know how they do that, but it makes a lot of sense. I've had a couple sheepish drives where I miss hit it

Starting point is 00:02:29 pretty bad and it flies great. And I've acted like I hit a bad one. And people are like, what are you talking about? That's pretty good. I'm like, yeah, it's kind of seems unfair, but it's working. Can I say something about the Rogue S T? I don't want to make my man blush.

Starting point is 00:02:40 Randy's hitting it out of a window. I've never seen him in a long while. Oh my god. I'm glad you said it, because I was going to say Rainy. Notoriously, I would say shitty ball flight off the tee. Is that fair to say? Well, it depends what part of the world you're playing in, but yeah, usually. And it is. It's been a complete game changer. It looks like a new man out there. Well, let's go in Rainy's bag a little bit later. Sounds good.

Starting point is 00:03:01 You can find out which Rogue ST driver might be best for you through their driver selector to a calibagoff.com slash custom fitting. tool at calibagoff.com slash custom fitting. That's calig off.com slash custom fitting. Lots to talk about this week. We have Jennifer Cupcho wins the Chevron. We have Anna Davis winning the anwa. JJ Spon wins Valero. I think we got to start with. There were pictures today of Tiger Woods. He hit 33 range balls at Augusta National. And there were pictures of him playing the back nine. Guys, I play these chances of playing this thing like two and a half percent last weekend. I can't believe it. I know the Tiger hype train, we've done this so many times, but I'm a board. I'm in on this.

Starting point is 00:03:39 This is un-fucking believable that he might play in the Masters. Yes. To the point where I feel I'm dusting off a lot of my feelings from the 2019 masters, which is like, yeah, I don't really know what to say. I get kind of too, too big. Like I still in my head is the pictures of him driving his car off the literal cliff. Still the reports that like, oh, they might have to amputate his leg. Still like the horrible, you know, first couple photos that came out of him.

Starting point is 00:04:06 But then also the, you know, very normal looking golf swings we saw at the father's son. And so I wish I had something smart to say. I wish I had something intelligent to say, but it is one of those like, it's almost just too big to kind of wrap my head around. It's kind of how I feel about every single thing that the cat does and my position has not changed.

Starting point is 00:04:25 Randy, are you as hyped as we are? No, absolutely not. I got to go underground. Cannot do the hype wagon on Twitter. I will say a couple things with Tiger. I just can't imagine. How's he this healthy? How's he able to swing? Oh, I see see we're going to

Starting point is 00:04:50 No, I hope everything's good there, but the other thing I will say if he does content at Augusta They they honestly they should revoke just about everybody's tour card It will be an absolute indictment of the supposed world's best if Tiger Waltz is in and contends at Augusta I actually hope for that of the supposed world's best if Tiger Waltz is in and contends at Augusta. I actually hope for that. Do we think he teased it up? Like what do you think? What do you put the chances at as of right now? He's on the interview schedule for Tuesday. He played a practice round today.

Starting point is 00:05:16 But he flew up this past week, played a practice round on Tuesday as well. Man, he hasn't announced he's playing, which is weird to me. It just, it seems like it's not going to, you know, of course, all of this is wild speculation, as it always is with Tiger. I mean, it seems like the, the game plan here is to get out there, walk as much as he can, see how he recovers, see how he feels, see how he feels, see how he feels. And obviously, like, entitled to do that as long as he wants. But it really seems like if he was 100% in by now, we would know, right?

Starting point is 00:05:51 I think he would, you know, that kind of seemed to be the mo in the past. But I think if he hasn't announced by now, there's some serious doubt, but it sounds like he is absolutely going to give it a shot, which the more I think about it, the more it's like, you know, Rania, I'm more I think about it, the more it's like, you know, Rania, I'm sure some of your pessimism will call it cynicism, maybe it would be another word. I think some of that stems from like, you know, hey, man, why don't you just like take some plays off

Starting point is 00:06:17 and just chill. Why don't you just chill, but at the same time, I can't imagine how bad the last year has sucked ass for the cat. And I think I would have to assume where he feels the most normal is between the ropes. And if he can, you know, if there's any shred, any flicker of hope that he can get out there and like play tournament golf at the best golf tournament in the world as every fan in the world is rooting him on, wants him to do it. I get the temptation to try to make that work. I feel like from his perspective, the worst case scenario would be to announce

Starting point is 00:06:54 he's playing and then by Wednesday be like, yo, I just shot like 48 on the front, like I can't do it, right? So he can kind of come in this way, not having put a ton of pressure on himself to do it, feel his way out and assuming all is good to go, he's going to do it. But he could get up there and be like, because right before, it's also not like he's going to another planet.

Starting point is 00:07:12 Like golf is golf on some level to where it's like, he's not going to show up and it's either going to be like 32 or 62 on the front nine. You know what I mean? Like before Safeway back in 2016, whatever it was, he was getting ready to go. Like he was, he played nine holes before getting ready to go play it. And he lost six or seven balls and shot like 48 and withdrew from the tournament. So I think that's just kind of like, all right, I hit some balls and medalists, but like, I'm going to go hit some at Augusta and feel like, can I hold the back right shelf on six?

Starting point is 00:07:40 Can I fly at the right number on 12? Can you start feeling your way around that? If you can kind of, I think he's kind of counting on getting back there. If this was like Brookline, there'd be no chance he'd be playing right now. I don't think if it was Southern Hills, don't think he'd be doing it. But look, I know this place. I know all the places. I can miss it. I know where to hit it. I know how to do these shots. There's, I've won this tournament five times. I might just give this a shot. I'm not taking up anybody else's spot. I can go all the way up to Wednesday and it doesn't really affect anything. That would be a sick take though. If somebody was was calling out tiger for taking up a spot. I would be here to say it's it's pretty unfair to the

Starting point is 00:08:16 first alternate Richard Blant. What if he's honing a part three trophy. I mean it's one of the part three competition yet. I think he's not playing the part three. I think that's, I think you already know what's that. I mean, I may not, I got to imagine he's not taking like literally any more steps than he has to take. I think the weather forecast for Tuesday probably bumped him up getting there a day early. It looks like Wednesday could rain some too.

Starting point is 00:08:41 It looks just like some iffy conditions in general in the early part. Looks like it could be a cool masters a little bit on Friday, Saturday. Sure, of course, subject to change. But like, again, maybe I'm caught up too much in the hype train, but like, I've made the promise to myself I'm not gonna doubt him again.

Starting point is 00:08:57 I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna say like, he's gonna go miss the cut. I'm not gonna do it ever again. 2019 changed that forever. I, if he does tee it up based on all accounts, there was a Evan Priest tweeted that he hit every shot perfect on the range today. Fuck it, I'm in.

Starting point is 00:09:11 I'll, I'll, I'll follow that. I don't care. I'm looking for assemblots of things. We'll do the, fuck it. I'm in also in speed. Later to say, if I'm tempting you with a heads up speed versus. Yeah, we're getting tired.

Starting point is 00:09:22 Bet right now. I, all tiger bets should be off the board. We don't know what's gonna happen, but truly anything is possible. I did it. Got it. I mean, clean saw it out right now with a speed and Tiger versus the field. It's been a great year picks for you this point. So I don't know. So at Mel's 19 to 30 said, how does he actually do? What are his expectations? Who does this benefit?

Starting point is 00:09:44 Guys under the radar now, Rory JT. Does it change anything related to that? Tells 19 to 30 said, how does he actually do? What are his expectations? Who does this benefit? Guys under the radar now, Rory JT. Does it change anything related to that? I don't think so. I don't think so either. It's gonna attract some attention for sure, but I don't think, I don't feel like anyone's really coming in with a huge target on their back this year more so

Starting point is 00:09:58 than other years. Very, very open, which if it does, it feels like we obviously say that more and more as kind of the top player in the world. Mantle kind of gets passed around, but I don't know. I hope I'm I'm I'm preaching, you know, moderate takes, which is always always a good business. Yeah, that's a very bad business, but I think that, you know, hopefully we've moved past

Starting point is 00:10:23 the idea of like if he does go out and shoot 45 on the front nine, I hope people are just like, ah, you know what man? Who cares? Who cares? He's out there. He's having fun. Like again, ever since he said that in his own press conference, whatever that was a couple years ago, like, at a hero, I think, saying like anything else in my career is like gravy to this point is kind of like that's yeah, that's how I've been Handling a lot of this stuff too and that's where I'm kind of like I'm not My my massive tiger fanboy days are behind me. I'm very happy to say that I feel very confident about that and it is truly like if he plays hell yeah Would love to watch and if he doesn't Don't care. I wasn't planning on it. I wasn't planning on either. Plenty of other stuff to watch too. So it's all upside.

Starting point is 00:11:07 I don't buy that he'd be distracting or there's other great storylines going, no, this is a fucking huge deal. If Tiger plays in this, this is, I mean, again, I, this wasn't even like on my radar as of two weeks ago. So it's like, no, he's not gonna walk a gust after almost losing his leg.

Starting point is 00:11:21 Are you serious? Maybe we get the old course. And now here we are. I'm stunned. So anything more to add, big, are you serious? Maybe we get the old course, and now here we are. I'm stunned, so. Anything more to add, big guy? You're ready to move on from this one. No, people don't want my season. What about wearing foot toys today?

Starting point is 00:11:35 Anything on that? That's wild. I'm amazed how much people care about this or how fast that was noticed, I guess, but I'm guessing I had something to do with the leg, but I'm sure I'll be asked about that. I think gear Twitter plus tiger Twitter plus sneaker Twitter fast that was noticed, I guess, but I'm guessing I have something to do with the leg, but I'm sure I'll be asked about that. I think gear Twitter plus tiger Twitter plus sneaker Twitter is that's a potent brew that

Starting point is 00:11:51 we're really mixing up there. So mixing makes them gymnastics Twitter somehow and we got ourselves a stew. That's why I couldn't believe it when Randy said that over immediately. Like you guys see where it's going. Oh my god. I can't believe this changes everything for me. You know what I will say, Randy, don't roll your eyes, or if you do turn your camera off,

Starting point is 00:12:10 so I can't see it. I'm unsubscribed again from all the Charlie takes, but the idea of getting, after seeing those two at the Father's Son together, the idea of going up and playing Augusta with Charlie for the first time is really cool, way in on that. And so maybe that's another like, you know, another driving force of actually like trying to get him up there and out there and also rainy the last thing I was

Starting point is 00:12:33 going to say is I think Charlie, if they gave him a spot, I think he'd have a chance to contend this year at the Masters. And then we don't know until we give him a shot. Oh, God. Tigers should be able to pass on his spot to Oars. Be sure. Be sure. If he won. For sure. Totally agree. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:12:50 You guys are going to make me hang up. Last, last hype thing I'll say is we said this after the father said, the man hit some golf shots. For sure. I know as a different golf course, he's riding into a card and it's a literal hit and giggle. But man, I was shocking to see him hit 175 ball speed in that thing. So I don't know. We'll see. I'm on board. he's going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if he's going to be able to do that.

Starting point is 00:13:05 I'm not sure if he's going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if he's going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if he's going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if he's going to be able to do that.

Starting point is 00:13:13 I'm not sure if he's going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if he's going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if he's going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if he's going to be able to do that.

Starting point is 00:13:21 I'm not sure if he's going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if he's going to be able to do that. I'm not sure if he's going to to be able to do that. I'm in on this. So ready, play or not play? Oh, I think he'll play. I don't think you go through all this and then not play would be my best guess. The only thing would be, you know, he's going up anyways for the dinner, right? He's going to be there. So why not give it a shot and maybe find something miracle wise and he never really playing on playing. But I, I'm with you. I think. I think he wouldn't do all this to kind of embarrassingly,

Starting point is 00:13:47 but just kind of like, what's also hard to is, I mean, he knows how all this stuff is gonna go. And it again, Randy, it does validate a lot of your cynicism on a lot of this shit. It's like, it's almost a no win, as it's like a no lose situation for us, it's almost a no win situation for him, right?

Starting point is 00:14:05 Where like he, if it was anybody else, they could completely do this in anonymity and, you know, yeah, I'd love to go give it a shot. And if I can't, then, you know, it's all WD on Tuesday night, Wednesday night, whatever, and it'll be no big deal. And he just, we saw with all the plane tracking shit, we saw with like people just lose their minds to the point where if he doesn't play

Starting point is 00:14:25 now, like, I don't know if there's, like, I don't know if he feels a weird pressure to play when he sees like what the reaction is to all this shit. I think he's probably passed that point in his life, but I don't know. It just adds another wrinkle that literally like no other human golfer has to deal with. He seems like a pretty proud guy. You know, I think he's softened a little bit through the years, but I just, I think he's way more prepared,

Starting point is 00:14:52 probably than he's letting on. I just can't see a scenario with him where it's truly up in the air. I think if he's going and he's even mentioning game time decision, I think he's locked and loaded to play play would be my guess And this is where for me this is so different than coming back from like the back entries where the like this is a I got a truly

Starting point is 00:15:12 Insane human event that happened to him like almost dying and like at that point I was like he's probably never gonna play golf again after that and he could be playing in the master's a little over a year after that Is it's mind-blowing what almost makes me more excited if I may is, God, if he's like thinking this hard about Augusta, I kind of feel really good about seeing him. Yes, exactly. That's where I like, I'm much more, I'm not trying to be a hipster, but like I'm much more excited about, about that, you know, 150 of open, flat piece of ground, like different weird golf course.

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Starting point is 00:16:41 Also, I think we're going to have our own pool that should be stood up by, I believe, Tuesday of this week. So stay tuned on Twitter for more information on that. And some wild stuff coming in the picture of this week too. Yes. Big, big parlay getting stood up. Oh yeah, there's going to be a great lot of fun. Parlay, I made cut parlay that they let us put together that of which the picks I already hate. Yeah, I've already so out of these picks. For sure. The definition of like, don't design things by committee. Everything should be a dictatorship. Well, not everybody should have a voice. This is a horrible call. When we do, we will have specific people you

Starting point is 00:17:12 can blame it on now if the bet goes wrong, which that part I'm absolutely interested in. So, Randy, you were at the chevron this past week. I guess do you want to start with kind of your experience there? Do you want to start or do you think we should start with Jennifer Cup Show? Either way. It's, you know, it was awesome to get out to the Chevron, to Mission Hills, to Palm Springs, had never been out there in any capacity. Obviously, I'd never seen the golf course. And I had a great time. I flew out Tuesday, got in Tuesday late afternoon, did some interviews Wednesday, walked the course a little bit and then was able to watch a full day of golf Thursday and then like a half a day, Friday before flying back to Denver.

Starting point is 00:17:53 So with as much specificity as you can give, take me, take me to Palm Springs and mission hills. I it's complete blind spot. I don't know anything about about either. I need to hear about your... And I want to hear why this was always, I really wanted to go. That's more where I'm very specifically on this.

Starting point is 00:18:12 Well, okay, so Palm Springs, I guess the mental image I always had of Palm Springs was kind of the playground for the Hollywood crew. I know the rap packs spent a lot of time there, big in like the 50s and 60s, so I'm kind of thinking like that style architecture right a lot of those like one story mid-modern is what I was expecting and and there is certainly there is a lot of that. I was a little disappointed I guess it like the best way I can describe Palm Springs and it's really a

Starting point is 00:18:46 collection of you know a string of towns along the the way so you have like Rancho Marage and Palm Desert and Cathedral City of Palm Springs and Yadayada Yadayada but a lot of it feels like they lifted up Naples and put it in the middle of the desert between like some really cool mountains. The weather's great, but a ton of a ton of gated communities. A ton of just, I know you do that. I'm not the script golf courses, which was a bit of a bummer. You know, I don't necessarily think it's would be like, I really want to go back. Like, I would go back for Joshua Tree National Park, for instance. You know, that's not too far away. I wouldn't want to go back. Like I would go back for Joshua Tree National Park, for instance, you know, that's not too far away. I wouldn't want to go back for like Coachella,

Starting point is 00:19:29 but just I don't know. It was a little underwhelming, based on my expectations of the place, but that said, we did get into some cool stuff in and around Palm Springs, went to dinner one night at bar Cecil, which came barely highly recommended. It was fantastic. But then we went over to this nightclub called the nest, which shout out allie Brett Danielle Kang's caddy told me I must see the nest.

Starting point is 00:20:00 And I'm thinking like cool bar, you know, going get a martini feel like, you know, feel like I'm kind of the kid. I'm in Palm Springs and pull up, go in. There's a guy immediately checking the ID, whatever, walk in and it is just it's probably a 75 25 guy to girl ratio. And it's literally every age group between 20 and 70. And like a really aggressive DJ right in the middle of this bar. You got people dancing, just very age inappropriate dance partners. And not just like older men with younger women. It's older women with younger men. Just like people my parents age that are just like getting down and I'm like oh my god. Kind of sounds like a physical manifestation of our own message board and some of the

Starting point is 00:21:00 nest community that we've built there. Yeah, I was just like gobsmacked. I stayed for one drink, was probably there 45 minutes and literally just sat kind of in the corner and just tried to take it all in. Just a very surreal place. Just a lot of behavior that I would think would be embarrassing but maybe it's not. Maybe I'm the one that's crazy.

Starting point is 00:21:31 I don't know. I'd love to unpack that on a separate podcast potentially. Yeah, so that was, I mean, that was Palm Strings. Mission Hills itself. It's a fine course. The course, I will say the course itself was, if they could get that course in better condition, I don't know how.

Starting point is 00:21:53 It was the conditioning of the golf course was exceptional. So credit to the super and his or her team. The course itself looked awesome. The club, my beef with, and we can get into all this, I know I'm going on, but, you know, the thing that left me wanting with Mission Hills was, like, you had people in these tricked out golf carts just rolling up everywhere. And what I mean, like, tricked out golf carts, not really the modern ones,

Starting point is 00:22:23 like, ones that look like 1970s BMW or Rolls Royce or Bentley. And they just kind of would go pretty much anywhere. And I was like, man, that's really strange. Like, there's a golf tournament going on. Well, I come to discover later on Thursday on the backside of the clubhouse. So like, there's this kind of main plaza of the tournament, right? And off, if you can just imagine off to the right is the putting green, and then you get the grandstand that overlooks the 18th hole, and it's like, that's right there. And then on the left side is the backside of the clubhouse. Well, they have a full bag staff operation going. They're just running member play out of the back of there onto their other course at Mission Hills.

Starting point is 00:23:13 Like during a major, and it's just like, man, that left a bad taste in my mouth. They just seem very unbecoming for a major tournament. And I got to talk to some members. I think it was kind of split. Some members very devastated, obviously. This is the 51st tournament. And it's moving to Houston.

Starting point is 00:23:34 And some people taking that very hard and are really sad it's gone. And then other people are like, yeah, man, the members want their course back. It's a big pain in the ass to give up the course for however long. So I don't know. I shake out.

Starting point is 00:23:50 We can get into this later. But I think it's a good thing for the tour and for the players that one that Chevron came in. There were BMW courtesy cars for all the players. There was from what, talking again to people, the infrastructure was much more built out. It just felt more important, even in your one of the Chevron championship, and I think once the tournament gets settled in Houston, I think I really think they'll do a good job, you know,

Starting point is 00:24:18 similar, you know, solid, we've been to the KPMG. It's a wonderful tournament. I mean, that's probably the best, if not the best tournament that the, uh, that the women play. And just from, Sally, we've been to the KPMG. It's a wonderful tournament. I mean, that's probably the best, if not the best tournament that the women play. And just from, it feels major and it feels important. And that's my hope for Chevron. So yeah, that was kind of my experience, but I was very glad to go. And I really wanted to go because it was the last year.

Starting point is 00:24:41 I had never seen it, you know, talking to folks. Obviously, it's a really cool history. I would have loved have gone to the tournament, I think in the mid 80s, late 80s in the heyday, but still very glad to see the course and get a feel for it. I think reading a lot, I don't know if you got some of this sense to it.

Starting point is 00:24:59 This is to take nothing away from the history of the event and it's clear that like to a person, it seems like every player you ask, like goes on and on and on and on This is to take nothing away from the history of the event and it's clear that like to a person, it seems like every player you ask, like goes on and on and on and on about how much they love going there and the condition of the golf course and how cool it is to have a major that is at the same golf course every year. Yadda, yadda, yadda, I think all of that stuff obviously is massively, massively important. But reading between the lines a little bit on some of the, I know Beth Ann Nichols was

Starting point is 00:25:24 out there wrote some stuff and following, you know on some of the, I know Beth Ann Nichols was out there, wrote some stuff and following some of the other coverage out there, it does seem like the excitement has kind of wavered, even like pre-pandemic, right? And it seems like this was not just a, like everybody absolutely loves this thing, we're gonna rip it away from this location, right? I don't know if you wanna expound on that a little bit.

Starting point is 00:25:43 Yeah, that's exactly right. The attendance was heading down before the pandemic even A&A, the previous sponsor. From my understanding, this is all second-hand, but talking to you know, writers, LPGA employees, players, it was the the feeling of importance and those all those outside touches around the tournament, it was declining in the years leading up to the pandemic. And it's like, that should not be the case in this day and age for for any tournament, right? Like things should not be slowly getting worse. There was a champions dinner that really was losing a lot of luster.

Starting point is 00:26:30 And so I think, yes, to your point, I think this was, I mean, it's hard, right? It's hard to, you do have real history and the tournaments meant so much to so many people. And I get that. And I'm kind of a Johnny come lately. But from my perspective and I thought Judy Rankin said it best for the future of the players in the tour. That's where I get back to. I think this is in the end will be a very good move.

Starting point is 00:26:59 Finding a new home, bringing in a big fortune 500 corporate sponsor. And I think it's, I just think it's necessary. bringing in a big Fortune 500 corporate sponsor. And I think it's, I just think it's necessary. It's never going to be an easy time, but it felt like the end of the party, you know, that the glory days are over. And it just was like, okay, let's, we got to rip the bandaid off.

Starting point is 00:27:21 And I think the on-waw and the pandemic and all of that led to this coming together and finally actually making to change. Couple thoughts on this. I think one, the evolution of women's majors in the last three, four years and in future years as far as the money that has come into them and the sponsors that have come into basically

Starting point is 00:27:42 change how their KPMG was a huge leader on this front and how they put up a lot more money and going to big time golf courses instead of going to, you know, Kemprelakes outside Chicago, which is not nothing to write home about. They're going to congressional this year. They were at, you know, they went to Hazel team. They went to a random egg like they're going to, you know, they went to Atlanta athletic club last year. This, the chef, runner, the A&A was getting left in not to mention the US women's open. Yeah, somewhere there. Oh gosh, yeah. And the women's British open is going to Muraf club last year. This, the chevron or the A&A was getting left in. Not to mention the US women's open.

Starting point is 00:28:06 Yeah, somewhere there you go. Oh gosh, yeah. And the women's British open's going to Muirfield this year. Like there was a whole, I mean, they were, they used to play the, they've played the women's British open at very much not links courses. Like they've played to wherever they could get, get the tournament held.

Starting point is 00:28:19 RNA was even running the women's British open until the 2014 or something like that, where this court, this major just kind of got left in the dust. And yes, there is tradition with it. But I've, I said, I said this a couple years ago when we were covering this tournament, the tradition doesn't translate to viewers that well. The pawn jump is cool, but like, I've watched this tournament many times. I don't know what the 15th hole is, right? So if you don't have that, like, you, there's no reason to keep going back to the same golf course. If that's, if that experience is not passed

Starting point is 00:28:48 on to fans, there's it. Yeah. I think that's super well said, which is important for the next where they decide to host us in Houston. If it's going to be the same place every year or wherever they decide to do it, it's going to be important that they get the course details of it. Right. Because I don't, personally, I don't enjoy watching the women play this golf course. I don't find it interesting. It's a, and maybe that's a broadcast thing. It's a putting, I feel like I'm watching a lot of putting all the time. And it's, you know, fairways of the same shape. And there's rough and bunkers around the green. And that's pretty much it. And I'm ready for something different if we're gonna, if this, you know,

Starting point is 00:29:18 as it is right now, there's five women's majors. The Evions not really a major. Even the players kind of say that. It's just more money. And then this tournament kind of feels like it's slipping more into that category, other than rather than being part of like the US women's open, the KPMG women's PGA and women's British rotation. But yeah, I totally agree with everything you said. I think it is a cool opportunity that the tournament has to kind of figure out the line of delineation between like what of those traditions does resonate with the fans and what doesn't resonate with the fans, right? And like the pawn jump is, I mean, it's stupid, but like it's fun, right? And it's we all hung out to watch it. And it's one of those great things. And I'm not obviously

Starting point is 00:29:59 saying they should do the exact same thing. But it's like, it is a good indicator of like, man, you got to have, you got to have your thing, figure out what your thing is and it's going to take a while for it to become, you know, a mainstay, but work hard to figure out what that is. And then also, like you said, try to make a lot more of those memories like on the golf course rather than the these intangible things, right? And that might be a whole other podcast and kind of a commentary on like, you know, a lot of the stuff needs to translate via TV or needs to translate via digital stuff

Starting point is 00:30:30 rather than the in-person experience because I'm a broken record on this but we've always talked about it with like the Pebble Beach event, right, where it's like, when you're on site at the Pebble Beach event, the PJ Tour event at Pebble, it's like the coolest, most fun place in the world. And when you're watching it on TV, it's absolutely horrible. And as that dichotomy continues to like change,

Starting point is 00:30:51 just the more and more and more and more important TV gets, media rights get, all that kind of stuff, it's yeah, you got to have to start catering to those things eventually rather than just the onsite experience. And I know we're broken record two on golf courses, but like, when I watch this event, it looks like on this course, it looks like a regular LPGA tour event. It just doesn't stand out from like what we're used to seeing week to week yet when I watch the other majors.

Starting point is 00:31:14 It's like, this is a different test. This is a totally different test. Maybe that comes with some familiarity we get from the men's side of them, you know, some of these golf courses we've seen, but I think Pine Needles this year is not a course we see on the men's rotation. And I think it's gonna stand out in a course we see on the men's rotation.

Starting point is 00:31:25 And I think it's gonna stand out in terms of what kind of skills are tested and what it looks like to watch that on television. And I think that translates to the broadcast too, right? And that's not to discredit any of the, you know, it has nothing to do with the talent of the broadcast or anything like that. It's just, you can tell they don't have the resources.

Starting point is 00:31:40 They don't have enough cameras, they don't have enough, they have too many commercial breaks, they're trying to get in. We were joking about, was that on 15 I think, Cup Joe's, her wheels have been fallen off for like an hour, right? And she finally like steadies herself almost holes this shot from the fairway and like before the ball has even landed. It's like, oh god commercial commercial commercial.

Starting point is 00:31:57 Get off this, get off this. It's like dude, how am I supposed to feel anything? How am I supposed to like take this seriously if you're showing me the same fucking chevron commercial 14 times an hour here. But anyways, yeah, I don't disagree with anything you guys said. Just to add, I think a couple of the benefits with the tournament moving, it's going to occupy a different spot on the calendar next year. I assume it will go later into April, even which is huge, which is great.

Starting point is 00:32:22 Because everything, even the weekend before Augusta, like he's obviously with the tiger stuff. It just, the masters swallows everything. And so getting even away from the weekend before the masters, I think will be a good thing for the women, which we should on that note, not just a quick pause there. Shouldn't give Augusta a pass here either. Unlike, yes, sucking all of the, you know, amateur, all the amateur juice out of this tournament of which that was like a massive part of the identity forever as well.

Starting point is 00:32:52 And being inflexible with that date and all that stuff is deeply shitty as well. So let's put on a hold. I'm sure we mentioned that. What are they supposed to do? No, I get it. I get it. It's just the whole situation. It's not so good. So I like what they're supposed to do is maybe communicate a little bit better.

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Starting point is 00:34:26 Cash app, go do it now. The one thing I was hoping for going out there in person, I will say the course was better in person than it comes through on TV. But I was like hoping for a party man. You know, I was hoping like that would be the identity and it would just be a huge crowds and a great time and not that it was a bad time,

Starting point is 00:34:48 but it's not party and it was not rowdy. And so until you got to the nest, it just leads me to believe it's a tournament that the glory days were behind it. And so I think it's a good move. Shout out to the members and the crowd there on 18 booing the Chevron executive when he came on to present the trophy

Starting point is 00:35:07 Which we probably should discuss the champion of the tournament this week, which was Jennifer Cupcho We have you know talked about a lot of other things before getting to that But dominant dominant performance little awkward coming down the stretch today of like a when you turn with a six shot lead It's kind of like all right. Well, either this going to be one of the hardest things to watch or, you know, a Trump, a triumph to the finish. And it turned out, it got pretty difficult there for a while. Got the two shots on the back nine. Looks like a touching homage to Mr. Palmer, fellow fellow Wake Forest, a six shot lead going to the back nine situation.

Starting point is 00:35:39 But she held on. Yeah. And it got a little close. I don't know how you guys felt, but it never really felt in doubt to me, which is crazy because she made seven bogies today. And it's still never quite felt like she was having a full on car crash or anything. That stretch of 13 and then bogging 14 was the closest we got to that. Hershawton 15, the approach DJ that you mentioned was phenomenal and really sealed the tournament.

Starting point is 00:36:12 But just a bit of a weird round for her today, you know, the five birdies and the seven bogeys, but still comfortable throughout. And I think it just speaks like patty T. Manch could just she could not get it going. And just could no negative media putts made. Oh my gosh. And for somebody that was ranked number one in a shot skein pudding courtesy of the KPMG insights, it was shocking. I like she didn't make a puddle weekend.

Starting point is 00:36:44 It was wild to watch Jennifer coming down the stretch just, I don't know, golf's the best sport at this, I feel like when it just hyper hyper magnifies, obviously every shot you hit, especially when you're leading the tournament. But the fact that she could go out just completely unconscious and shoot 64 on Saturday, she birdied what three of the first four coming out today. And then you just see it like you can see it. Flip man, you can see your start just sticking it in the ground and hitting those like high weak blocks out to the right. It just I thought it

Starting point is 00:37:14 was a lot more in doubt. Maybe then you did Randy just when you start seeing the golf swing changes, what I'm getting at into like, whoa, that is not where she takes it up to a top. You know, that's not the top of her swing. She's not even like, she's not even close. She is absolutely like fighting it coming in. And then she finds it for a second. Everything snaps back into place. She almost holds the one out of 15. And it's just, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:37:35 I had a blast watching it. I kind of, again, I kind of shitting on the telecast. Wish there were fewer commercials. I would have liked to get a little more into it. And I would have liked if somebody else had made a run, but it did kind of feel a little bit like, it felt a little bit like last year's, I guess, with, with Patty, having her massive lead and Lydia co like, you know, issue going to close it off or not close it off and ends up getting a little anticlimactic at the end. But I think that made some putts today too though. Like before, before she started part and part and long part long par savers huge bomb on 11 and then a par saver on 12.

Starting point is 00:38:10 That's kind of all right. Well, she's not letting get away. And then she boaked four of the last six holes. Thankfully mixed a mixed a birdie in there. But you know, she had huge expectations coming out. She was number one amateur in the world for I think 34 weeks, something like that. Obviously won the first and won 2019 and did not have a top 25 in any of the five majors last year. Breakout performance at the Soulheim Cup. I thought she was the best player on the US team at the Soulheim Cup and comes in, starts the new year.

Starting point is 00:38:35 First LPGA Tour victory is winning the final major here, the final Chevron challenge, slash A&A, slash Kraft Nibisco at Mission Hills. So it was, it was, it was, it's kind of a, it felt like a little bit of a, I don't know, crowning is not the word. They out nuts in the field, crowned her, but it was like, we, all right, we're waiting for this for, from Coucho. Like you were supposed to be doing this. The coronation, that's the word.

Starting point is 00:38:57 That's the word. Another very regal term. Yeah, she, like you said, solid big time amateur pedigree won an NCAA Individual championship I believe in 2017 and You're gonna bet and it was like always the the person that Beth Allen would say, you know Who's who's gonna get their first win? Who's gonna break through and win their first major? I mean it was it was always cup show was was right in that group So I think it's a really good thing, obviously, for her, but more so for the tour, it gives, you

Starting point is 00:39:28 know, she's 24. It gives the tour another bright young star and maybe most importantly, American women's golf, you know, she kind of slots now right next to Nelly Corda as like the two preeminent young American women, at least at this point. We'll talk about on one, a lot of talent on the horizon. But I think it's really good for the game at large. What you're gonna say, you were kind of putting the American women on notice. Well, that's good. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:57 Do you want to go back? Let's go back through the major champions going back to 2018. Here's the native countries of the LPGA major winners. We have Cup Show, the United States. Then you go Sweden, Australia, Nelly quarter last year as last American, Yucasaso playing on the Filipino flag at that point, Patti Tavitanaquit from Thailand. So if you pop out from Germany, say on Kim from Korea, Alim Kim from Korea, Miram Lee from Korea, Hanaka Shibuno from Korea, Hanaka Shibuno from Japan, Jin Young-Co from Korea, Hannah Green from Australia, Jung-Loon Lee, Lee Six from, for the US women's open from Korea, Jin Young-Co from Korea, Georgia Hall from

Starting point is 00:40:34 England back to Angela Stanford in 2018, won the AVION. That's the most recent American before, Nelly won last year. So there's been three American women that have won majors in the last five years. Daniel Kang won one in 2017 Brittany Lang in 16. Brittany Lenscombe in 15. But that it was a couple of year period there were there were no Americans at one major. So now we have two young ones under 25 that have won them in the last four majors. And I think that that gap is really what we can call the the Lexi Thompson. Yeah, where were you Lexi? Exactly.

Starting point is 00:41:07 You know, she, it's so hard to believe. She's still in 27. I mean, really, she's a young American female golfer too, but has obviously been on the scene forever and has not won a major in quite a long time. So I think now with Cup Show and Corta, it's starting to see that next generation, if you will, which is cool.

Starting point is 00:41:29 The women, it's so fascinating. Look back at women's major winners like MB Park once their seventh major in 2015. She won the first three. Same as speed and a speed. Yeah, her and speed that the most majors. The, you know, just talking about nationalities, uh, Sali, I think Grant Boone tweeted it, this is like the longest drought now. I believe it's six or maybe seven that a Korean woman has not won a major. So like that's, you know, we might have to put the Korean women on notice now. Disappointing week for Genie on Co coming in for sure, whatever she was, four to one or something. Was she finished 60 at there? We got a question about that actually from M. Camp 7.

Starting point is 00:42:09 Given her non-major dominance, do we need to start asking questions about why Jin Young Co is shrinking from the spotlight at the biggest events, Shades of JT? I don't know if there was a necessary jab there. But I don't think I'd put JT's PGA tour record up against Jinyoung Kho's LPGA tour record. But she's one, two majors, or one and a half, Avey Honours is a half major, I think we can all agree. But she, yeah, and a couple runner-ups,

Starting point is 00:42:37 listen, you take kind of the major wins out of it. What she's been doing, you know, if you're looking for a Tiger Woods Esk performer in golf, like she's probably as close as we've had. Maybe since, since the cat retired, I mean, her streak of most consecutive rounds in the 60s and going back to last year, like how many straight greens she hit in regulation? Just 378. She had 198% of her greens over a seven weeks period. Yeah, she just is, she's really, really good. And I think, I don't think it's an unfair question. I think with that dominance week to week or that level of consistency, it'd be great if,

Starting point is 00:43:23 you know, she could dominate a couple majors here and really pat her totals. But I also think, too, it speaks to the women's game that there's, it's getting very deep. There are a lot of very, very talented, major worthy players out there, which I think is fun. I think the women's game, I'm a broken record, but I think it's in such a great spot right now. It's really fun to kind of get into it and follow. Great question from at M Shrives. Is there a Sheffler cup show analogy, big time players making cup teams with no wins and who they are in the process slash about to start a big round of wins? That's

Starting point is 00:43:59 a great call. I like that one. I was trying to, we were talking about today. I was trying to think it like the men's equivalent of cup show, who more from like a personality perspective. Because I think Judy, Judy Rankin kind of danced around this. First of all, shout out to Judy Rankin. Anytime you can listen to her, it's a treat. I know she's not going to be doing this as regularly going

Starting point is 00:44:18 forward, which is a loss for everybody involved. But this was it, right? I think maybe she might sprinkle in some events here and there was the last time I read. But she was kind of saying, I mean, she's making the point that like, yeah, Jennifer doesn't really, she doesn't really seem to let anybody in. She's extremely, extremely private.

Starting point is 00:44:37 That's certainly her choice. And it is what it is. Contrast that with Patty, who's an open book and will tell you everything you want to know and teach it You know what she's got going on and let you into her process and it's you know That's just kind of the way it is with pro athletes, but it Raises an interesting question and not to like cycle analyze, you know too much But I think it is interesting rainy when you talk about cup show obviously on the golf course being like a complete

Starting point is 00:45:13 monster star potential as far as like, you know, records and statistics and wins and all that stuff's go. And I will just be curious to see how it resonates with fans, right? And if she feels pressure to open up more and how she handles that and all of those things is just kind of an interesting interesting thing to watch. To your point earlier, Sheplers, as far as like their golf games, that's a great comparison. I was kind of thinking like as Will's out of Taurus as well, somebody that, you know, tons of game, we all know he's going to win eventually, has not broken through yet. But personality wise, somebody in our slack, I think maybe one of the shooters, me one of you guys was kind of made the Patrick Cantlay comparison where I felt that way for a long time with Cantlay, like, man, that I'm not sure. I don't, I would guess I cup chose like not gonna be a fan favorite for those reasons, but yeah, she kind of hoping she goes like the silent killer route would be a lot of fun. Yeah. On that Judy Rankin note, I just, I hate, I hate we just did this with Cup Show too, and I hate just going straight to a male comparison.

Starting point is 00:46:25 But I get the same Johnny Miller vibe from her. Like when she starts talking, I'm like, okay, I cannot wait to hear with it as it's in this sense. Cause it's gonna be a statement that's not just filling in something that I'm looking at on the screen, which is always what I'm looking for in a commentator and what I think golf is really trending

Starting point is 00:46:41 the wrong direction on. No, she seems like she's always truly like trying to answer a question. And right, not afraid to be a little bit, you know, I mean, she has straight up, just like patty tee, they're patty tee and Jennifer Cupcher are two very different people. Like patty tee is very fun loving

Starting point is 00:46:55 and we just don't get a lot from Cup. I think that was just, which is interesting. It is, yeah, it's great. I need you to tell me that. So big shout out to her. Jessica Corda with a runner up finish after starting three over through five to start the tournament and finish two shots back overall. What did you make of the decision making on the 18th whole DJ? I was bummed. I was bummed. I mean,

Starting point is 00:47:16 the more I think about it, like take the listeners there that so she is in the middle of the fairway on 18 coming in. I believe they said they had to 25 hole. I think was what her cat. He said, but also just laying the scene here. If you did not get a chance to watch and I have no idea if it's factored into the decision. She was suffering back spasms. I was going to get there.

Starting point is 00:47:35 Yes. Had some stretching going on in one of the runways up to the fairway with a trainer that was out there. Her dad was seeing cracking her back on the golf course. So continue. Sorry. Yeah. In listen, this is not some like huge take down this. She's drive done 18. Yeah. She hit a great drive. She was in position and essentially she was what?

Starting point is 00:47:51 She was three back, right? And she unbeknownst to her cup show had a putt for bogey at at 17 that, you know, she was four back, but then at that point. Right. She needed to make some shit happen. Yeah. In other words. And I don't know. It was just a bummer. We got to hear it was great audio,

Starting point is 00:48:12 probably the best audio we caught from the golf channel the whole day. But talking about how Sevenwood was going to balloon. It was straight into the wind. Sevenwood was going to balloon way too much. Threewood was going to be way too much club and go over the back and it was just very like, I guess was a layup and hit kind of a bad wedge and made like

Starting point is 00:48:29 a very uninspired par. I don't know, man. I know I'm hucking a low second, baby. I'm hucking them from the chief seats here, but that was a moment where I would have loved to see like this young American star, one of the best players in the world, hasn't won a major like, man, try to make it happen. Like try to try to hit a shot, try to flow to three with up against the wind, try to do something like it was just a, it was a bummer to see like to just not, not see it attempted, but I'm sure she had a reason. Yeah, I mean, obviously she wasn't confident, but we saw Patty Tavitanikin, the group behind

Starting point is 00:49:08 her hit just an awesome wood and left herself like what, 10 feet for Eagle. Which she bricked, of course, from the end. Which she bricked, but it was doable. I'm with you. I can't condone that decision. That was a shame. I'll say Jessica, you know, she obviously played really well, had an awesome weekend. Big time bummer that she made Bogey there on 15. Because that was like

Starting point is 00:49:32 right after Cup Show, I gone Bogey Bogey on 13 and 14. And that was like the moment where it could have gotten really interesting. Lead was two at that point. Yeah, she missed like a, I don't know what it was, four, five footer. That was such a good shot, too. It's like one of the few examples of like actual shot making. At least I can't pretend to say that I watched a ton of the tournament this week, but watch like pretty much the whole fun around. And that was kind of one of the few like, okay, I'm over in the left rough.

Starting point is 00:50:01 I have a shit lie and I need to run it exactly here and make it work and use this slope and it's like the only kind of quote unquote exciting Like really like the only like exciting golf shot. I feel like that course kind of produced and yeah I was hoping she would have made that would have got a lot a lot more interesting I think it was the whole before though. She she had the up and down that she should have she yeah pitch up and should have made a great bunker shot. Yeah, he a tremendous bunker shot. I will say, I'm not is, I'm not as upset about the decision. If she's that uncomfortable between three and seven, as I am like, upset or disappointed that she doesn't have a shot with three, which she could go to.

Starting point is 00:50:41 I think what I mean is like totally get she standing there like I don't have this shot like under pressure Overwater with water long like holding a green with a like I got to take something off a three What it's gonna have less spin and how do I hold this green and get it close? I don't I don't have that like I don't have that to go to that's that's I think different than just like not then You know worried about if you can get there or something. I don't know. Yeah There's something to it, but I feel like that's kind of like we're pro golf, you know, trends towards like just have stock shots and you can play pretty much anywhere

Starting point is 00:51:11 that's kind of disappointing. That's what I'm getting at. Yes. That's much better said than what I was trying to say. I'm not if it was her back thing, if it was a yardage thing, if that like I get why she didn't pull the trigger. It's like that's where I'm like, yeah, I'll never like tell you what you're feeling

Starting point is 00:51:26 or what to do or whatever, but that's what exactly what I was disappointed by. I was like, man, I would have liked to have seen that. It seems like you should be able to hit that shot. And it's a bummer that you're probably not asked to that question very much. Shout out to Pia Babnick, 18-year-old Slovenian on a sponsor's exemption, finished solo third.

Starting point is 00:51:44 Win's $334,000. I think her total, they said her total earnings were 175K. For her career to that $159,000 euros. Sick. Yeah. How about that? She, I wish I would have paid more attention to her in person. Just, I think I saw her tee off one time off of number one, but very tall. Great swing.

Starting point is 00:52:08 What I really liked about her, she only dropped four shots all week. Just made four bogies, 15 birdies, which was the lowest amount of bogies in the field. And you know, this could be somewhat of a coming out hell world moment. I hope I don't know much about her, but super impressed with the week. She had this week. You know what major championships need is somebody who's not going to win fist pumping 10 foot par saves. Yeah. Like that honestly adds to like, oh, fuck, this person really cares about third. Like, I'm in on this. I want to watch how this plays out. Like, I feel like, yeah, the bow

Starting point is 00:52:45 hockers at the US open as an amateur fist pumping stuff that when it's clear they're not going to win is I'm so in on that vibe. I think it adds another layer to it. But it's again, it would be cool if there was a bunch more amateurs in the field. But Alas, shout out to Brooke, say, no, sorry, low am. Well, sorry, real quick, real quick with the P. of Babnic. You could say she's all in because she shares a golf Saudi sponsorship with Coke racks. That broke my heart. It did. I know.

Starting point is 00:53:13 It did break my heart. I didn't see that till afterwards. I was running for the whole day and I like, oh, goddammit, come on. Anaka Shabu no, this smiling Cinderella, third round 77, only finished four shots back. I feel like she had an excellent chance to win this golf tournament this past week. Celine Boudier with the top five as well, finished T-4, as well as Lexi, who's kind of just,

Starting point is 00:53:34 she might be the female Boudier, can't sink her. Like she's just always there, she's not gonna win. So many people were people saying that on Pumps Reads. Yeah, I was hearing it from everywhere. You can't sink her. Yeah, big strong men, tears in their eyes coming up to me. She's the boy.

Starting point is 00:53:47 She's the poppy's pod. She's the buoy. Yeah. It was cool to see you. Is it a structable? Pernille and Limberg, friend of the pod made an ace. Obviously a very extremely special place to her, when in her first major there.

Starting point is 00:54:01 And kind of the last day made an ace today. Number five, which was fun for her. And then I mentioned it passing there, but Brooks say one of our our Stanford hitters, Randy, that we we met out in Palo Alto skipping the onwa, showing up and finishing low am only am in there to make the cut. So good for her. I told you, man, I was watching to do that chipping contest. I was like this watch for watch Brooke Brooks.

Starting point is 00:54:24 Very, very good. Yeah, I mean, I watch it and it'll be in the video too a little bit, but that tournament we're on. Man, when she's when she's on, she hits the ball nicely. Just does not, does not miss. So really fun weekend for her. If you allow me a couple guys, I want to, uh, Nana Kurtz-Matson, tie for eight. She is on a big heater right now, playing some really, really good golf. I wanted to give her a shout out, uh, our young hitter, Madeline Sackstrom,

Starting point is 00:54:56 7170, 7071, just a very professional week this week, or tie for 13. She, her last five now major starts for the, for the five have been top 20 or better. So really happy and happy. A big game hunter. Exactly. Really excited where she's headed. And then she faded today, which was a huge bummer, but it was so awesome to see Annie Park play well.

Starting point is 00:55:23 Yes. She is one of my favorite people if anybody hasn't seen the wild world golf with actually her Ann Madeline from Winter Park. I would highly recommend it. You know, for somebody that was really has been in the wilderness and searching and took some time off last year to really consider if she had the game to keep competing at this level. It was really, really awesome to see her play well

Starting point is 00:55:47 and still finished tie for 25th, which I hope gives her a ton of confidence. Amen. Also a shout out to where did she end up? She must have had a tough day. Gabby Ruffles. Yeah, T25. She has 74 today, unfortunately.

Starting point is 00:56:03 Yeah, she got in on the strength of last year's performance. She's going to be an Epson to her player. I mean, she doesn't have her LPGA card, but awesome week for her was up in the top 10 for a lot of the tournament, but yeah, good call there, Sally. So that is it for Mission Hills. Rumors. Oh no, no, we got one more thing to play. What's that? We got to go cup chill over under. Oh, that's right majors. That's right. Oh, no, no, we got one more thing to play. What's that? We got to go cup chill over under. That's right. That's right. So just to level set, we did this, of course, with with Nelly when she won, that was what KPMG.

Starting point is 00:56:37 And I think the hottest takes so far is 11 and a half from Neil from Neil thought, yeah, what's the over under is it 11 and a half for Nelly, which I thought was a one or two high, maybe for sure, for sure. Which I said before we came on, I would give, to take nothing away from any of the competitors, I think if Nelly's in the field this week, she boat races people today. Probably. I think I think Cup Show wobbled enough and nobody really tracked her down.

Starting point is 00:56:55 I think Nelly was gonna, you got a hunter, so I would give Nelly one for today. Okay. Do you guys wanna add Lim and I'll go ask Neil, what he thinks the over under is? He's downstairs. All right, that'd be great.

Starting point is 00:57:04 Well, what factors do we need to take into this? Big. So age, of course. Yep. What major it is, so obviously Cup Show, this is her first major. Maybe some historical context. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:17 What's a great amount of majors to win in a career? Can we say trends in the women's game? There's an immense amount of depth. win in a career? Can we say trends in the women's game? There's an immense amount of depth. It feels like we're seeing less parity than we've ever seen. Exactly. We've got breaking news from downstairs. We're breaking news from downstairs.

Starting point is 00:57:37 We have an official over under for Jennifer Cupcho. It is seven majors. I hate it. I hate it. I have to take the under at the end. I know. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I have to take the under. I know I hate taking the under, but I got to take it if it's a seven. What would it, what would you, like two and a half feels low. So yeah, I know it's

Starting point is 00:58:05 good. I mean, just to put it in perspective, like Lexi has won one major. Brook Henderson has won one major. It's hard to win majors. Obviously, Nelly Corda has only won the one major one. Now, not yeah, now, now to to it the naster I we need to get the people who the people who fake to the 2016 PGA to see if we can run some mockups to that show Nelly winning this week Yeah, if I was suddenly over under for for cup. I think two and a half is a good over under And I don't I will not apply never over on the over or under part of it We'll just set it. We'll let everyone weigh in on that. So okay And what time yeah? 16 year old Anna Davis wins. What were you guys doing?

Starting point is 00:58:48 You were 16 years old. I was working at a golf course. I was probably shooting 43 a lot on the front nine at the O club of Genoa. I was not brave enough to wear bucket hat. And yeah, just kind of really setting those some grand plans. Just unlimited swag. Just like a white jacket. Really an homage to T.C.'s outfit from North Barric and Taurusau season two, I think is what really what it was. You know what it was? It wasn't even just the bucket hat, which was exceptional.

Starting point is 00:59:18 It wasn't the pearls, which were dope. It wasn't the popped collar. It was the extremely slump shoulders. Like the 16 year were dope, it wasn't the popped collar, it was the extremely slump shoulders. Like the 16 year old complete, the queen of apathy. As soon as she came on TV, I was like, who is that? That's my favorite part. That's who we're riding for.

Starting point is 00:59:34 That, she's awesome. Whoever, a couple people on Twitter called it the April lead gate of golf. For sure. Just perfect, like, that's perfect. Just, the reaction from her brother after she won, just so good. Perfect. Just yeah, whatever. Good job, sis.

Starting point is 00:59:49 Well, and I think going back to the cup show conversation, just a hair. I mean, there's, the on was awesome. I love it. I watched every minute of the telecasts. I, I really need to go next year. I've never been to it. I need to make that a priority to go next year. But you do see a lot of, uh, the girls are so polished. I mean, they're, they're so, so, so polished, which almost makes you feel a little weird that it's like, you know, you're, you know,

Starting point is 01:00:13 it's like a 17 year old kid, like just, just relax a little bit, right? Everything is just like, it's like every interview. It's like a, you know, a job interview or, or something like that. And it was cool to just see her be like stunned, right? And it's like, yes, that's like a teenager up there. It's great. And I was- For 2006. It was so fun to watch me.

Starting point is 01:00:33 And I was so happy to see her win because that was a blast. It was, I will say Rachel Keane gives off a different vibe than that. She looked like she was having a lot of fun. Yeah, they all look like they're having fun. I don't mean to say that with the wrong way or like. Right.

Starting point is 01:00:47 I know what you mean. It just, you know, in a world where like, tour pros continue to get less and less interesting. It's like, that's the only thing that worries me about the pipeline. It's like, yeah, just loosen up a little bit here, man. It's pretty impressive to have your own brand as a 16 year old dog.

Starting point is 01:01:00 Yeah. Just the hair coming out of both sides of the bucket pad and the jacket and I couldn't tell what temperature it was there. Like, Latana Stone is in, you know, shorts and short sleeves and, uh, Anna Davis has a jacket on and pants and she's left a lot of lefties in contention, which the lefty bias that have got out of Gasta. Seriously. It gets another one. But that was the first time I've ever gotten to watch the anewa. It's been a bad schedule, uh, You know, it just lined up poorly for me in the past four years or whatever

Starting point is 01:01:26 It's been and gosh, it was just a delight to watch different shots different totally different style of play just to see different Tees that we know are used to seeing to see different strategies on so many of the holes to see the ball react differently on the greens and Like watching, you know, the ton of stone did not have you know, she was coming, you know, had the lead playing the last group. Didn't have the number into 15 and it was like, no question. I'm laying it up. I got to hit this shot. Bones did an incredible job setting it up. And it's just, it's an awesome, awesome, frickin tournament to watch them come and play that Sunday pin on 16. Use the slope and then just it was hard to watch. Man, I was rooting for I'm pissed. They should shelf that pin on six. Oh my god. Upper right, right by the bunker.

Starting point is 01:02:07 That's my favorite pin. You're such a bad guy. And six. Do the same thing on six too. Such a bad guy. We played with Latana three years ago when she was in Jackson. We did. Where was that world golf village?

Starting point is 01:02:19 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she was super, super fun. She had a great, to take nothing away from her interview. She had a crushing loss and then hopped on golf channel to hold back some tears and talk about it afterwards. I was very impressed with her doing that. But God, a ton of game.

Starting point is 01:02:35 Her and Lynn Blad both. Just some, couple of killers down there in Baton Rouge. Just imagine like playing that, she made five birdies through the first 13 holes. I'm sorry, six birdies through 16 holes at Augusta National 300 park. Gosh. And then finish this double bogey to miss out on a pile by one shot. And just yeah, some shaky chips. I was going to say same thing we were saying about Cup Show where you just you

Starting point is 01:03:00 you see it. If you watch golf long enough, you just see it flip and Seeing some of those bouncy bony wedges was just like oh god This is not gonna go well not good, but it's just yeah watching that Pressure play out on TV for you know, it's it's a one shot kind of thing It's it's even I don't want to say it's more pressure than the masters But like the people that compete in the masters get a lot of shots at this and for you know You it she'll probably play this event again. I would assume but it's still just like a the Masters get a lot of shots at this. And for, you know, you, you, you, you'll probably play this event again. I would assume, but it's still just like a, you don't get that many shots at this thing.

Starting point is 01:03:30 And that sucks. Randy, I was, I was thinking about you watching number 14, because they had such a cool pin. They're on 14. That was like, it was a funnel pin. If you could hit the funnel. Yeah. If you couldn't hit the funnel and you missed left like Latana did, it was such a hardship shot to try to try to nestle something down there.

Starting point is 01:03:47 And it was, there was a true dividing line pin, which, which all funnel pins are. Rain doesn't want to know. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Starting point is 01:04:03 no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, there's no disaster. There's that's so wrong. That's so wrong. You just hit the middle and you're like, it's like everybody gets an eight to 10 foot putt. No, if you, but if you miss it, right, you, like, almost can't get it up and down. Like you cannot get the right to be coming out. That's a catastrophic, right? That's a catastrophic miss. Yeah, I think one person coming down the stretch, missed it up in that bunker to the right. And all the puts to that Sunday pin at Augusta on 16 are very difficult. No matter where you leave it, the putt is very difficult. That's the whole point of the funnel pin.

Starting point is 01:04:33 It's a bad pin. I will say bones was great on the telecast. His course knowledge and experience there was just a real big asset. I had a ton of fun. I was like, you guys, I had never really watched it just because of crazy schedule and was so much fun. And in an awesome telecast too, it felt like a masters. It felt major. And then you, I mean, I hate to drive by golf channel like this, but you compare it to the chevron broadcast and like the on what felt

Starting point is 01:05:03 more important. I just do. Yeah. I did the total aside and this could just be the quality of my very small television, of course, as many people like to remind me. Gustas looked just okay, condition wise. I don't know if that stuck out to anyone else. The greens looked a little just this colored a little bit. The fairways didn't look as pure as what we're used to. Maybe it really does peak in this coming week,

Starting point is 01:05:26 but I don't know that jumped off the screen at me. I don't know if anyone else, I didn't see other people talking about that, but it looked very much just okay. For me, dog. I think that's a, I'll put that in my notebook is something to watch. Okay.

Starting point is 01:05:38 I didn't have that impression, but it takes me a way for a question. On 11 is most welcome. Yeah, I thought you might like that. Yeah. Huge fan. We can talk a little bit. We'll have a whole Master's preview podcast. We'll talk plenty about the golf course changes and all that will come out to probably Monday night overnight. So whom one interesting or whom interesting on Twitter said, why is there no LPJ event at Augusta? Please explain it to me like I'm five. Got a lot of versions of this question

Starting point is 01:06:07 when I put a call out for questions today. I mean, the explain it like I'm five would be, I would think that the members say we are the members of the most exclusive place in the entire world and like you're lucky that we give you one week. Now we give you 10 days, like listen, we're not giving up another week in our already fairly short season, right? I know, man, that's how monarchy's crumble.

Starting point is 01:06:33 Well, yeah, most of these people are like, these lead people, they take a mile. Exactly. I mean, it's such a bummer, like, of course, would watch, would love to watch. I don't think anybody would be, you know, against that. But yeah, it's not like a, it's, it's up to them. Like if you explain it to me like I'm five, it's like, because they don't want to do it.

Starting point is 01:06:53 Yeah. Exactly. Like if they wanted to do it, it would start tomorrow. But they obviously don't. So I guess that's kind of the end of the conversation. But will they ever? I don't think, I don't think they will now. Now that they have the onwa, I think they'll, I think they would point to that as almost like a, a right of passage for, and I remember talking about this last year, I think, on

Starting point is 01:07:15 the podcast where it sucks for the, the women that both missed the onwa or kind of got caught in that in between where, you know, they, they't quite play it and and, you know, whatever. But the it just seems like every every star on their way up now and obviously as evidenced by Jennifer Cup show who literally won a major today, like is going to go through there. Right. And I think that's pretty cool. And it's keeping in spirit with the Augusta amateur thing. And it's, I think they'll probably just keep making that bigger and bigger and bigger. Yeah, I tend to agree. And I think it kind of bumps me out

Starting point is 01:07:55 because I think a women's major, there would be awesome. I was really hopeful with the men's tournament in October during the COVID year and seeing how that went off like that would be such an awesome, perfect spot in the calendar to put a women's major event at Augusta. Or you know what I'm holding out hope for this will never happen, but I'm an idiot and we'll hold out hope would be a soul hemcup. Like late late in the in the season like that, like September, October, just do it as like a this is going to happen one time. Don't you know,

Starting point is 01:08:33 everybody stop yelling at us, sort of thing, but that would be phenomenal. I just I look at how the at no point during this does this stand as an apology for any of of Augustus past, if you will. But if you just go back like 20 years, like how unlikely does a drive chip and put the day, the week, you know, the day on the 18th green, you know, the day before the tournament week starts sound. And then also like, oh yeah, also we're going to host an amateur women's tournament the day before the drive chip and putt contest in the seven year olds are running around the 18th green.

Starting point is 01:09:06 Also, can we talk about the dude's perfect? It's going to come out doing all sports battle around aiming corners. It's kind of like, man, the whole exclusivity and so much, so much should has changed there over the years. And they do, they have done a lot. I meant to research this kind of the notes in terms of all the things that they've done in terms of some of the communities around Augusta as well and kind of the fundraising they've done and listen is it all. The amount of local businesses they've bought up. Yeah, listen, are there some scars there? I'm not here to apologize for all that. I'm just saying like they've clearly shown they have a desire to either change the narrative or also like just do some good shit. I believe

Starting point is 01:09:45 that now, you know, where the spirit or, you know, where it comes from, I'm not going to necessarily say, but it is, it's going to be, I think it's become more and more glaring as to be like, why, why isn't there? Like what's a good answer as to why other than your reason, like, no, we don't want to. It's like, well, you want to have a, a women's amateur and you want to have a drive chip and put and they're, they're like willingness to invest in certain things like they, they put a premium on the Asia Pacific amateur, right? And I forget what year that started where the Asia Pacific am, you know, beca, either they started the actual. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Hadecki wins that and comes out and ends up being the master's champion. Like

Starting point is 01:10:22 they're, they're reaping the benefits of some of these investments they've made along the way. They'll probably be in time when a drive chip and putt kid goes out and wins the masters. At some point, didn't even win the Latin America one as well. I believe so. Yes. Which could come full circle as well. Very well could. So like, I think that some of the investments they've made having them pay off in big ways

Starting point is 01:10:42 could lead to, all right, well, we've done this anewal thing like, what if we had a women's masters? Yeah. I have no, obviously, no inside information, but like, they used to not have women's members quite famously. So like, they're, they're, they owe a lot to the female golf community as it is. I don't think the anewal necessarily covers off on some of their past crimes, but like, it just doesn't seem like they have a great good enough reason to not do it in the future. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:11:06 And I just, I couldn't picture so much of this other stuff that I refuse to say that gets unlikely to do it. I just possibility. I agree with that. So I never want to say never and we'll hold out hope that there'll be an event there. I do want to say to with anewa it feels for as great as it is. It's still just one round of competition at Augusta National. I wish it would be at least two rounds, it'd be great if all three rounds were at Augusta National.

Starting point is 01:11:32 So part of me feels like it's, yes, it's great that they're doing this and they've built this amateur event for women, but it feels a little bit bare minimum. It's still a little kid. minimum. Still a little kid. Yeah, still a little kiss the ringy to me. But the, the like eight for one or six for one or four for one playoff to get it down to exactly 30 players is also exceedingly savage. Yes. Yes. It's a little hunger gamesy. It is. Yeah, that's a great way. Yeah, it's a little hunger gamesy. It's it is Yeah, that's a great way. Yeah, I it's where I like I don't I don't know where I net I don't something like that. It's like yeah, they're private organizations. They can tell you how for sure You're gonna go play the golf course yet at the same time like it's like well, we can also like have an opinion on it

Starting point is 01:12:16 Right Well Christina Kim had some strong comments on Twitter this past week just about it Well, and I will say with the way they're gonna put me here for the for the British this later this summer and Really that leaves Augusta in terms of famous famous golf courses of the world where the men compete It really leaves Augusta alone as the only place where the men have played majors that the women Have not and will not anytime soon. Which is interesting. I think it's a great, great point, Randy. Can we talk about the dudes?

Starting point is 01:12:49 What's please talk about the dudes? The dudes are on the corner. The dudes are on the corner. To your point, I just want to, I mean, you said it, but I just want to unpack this a little bit that, you know, how unlikely does it seem that they would have like a little kids golf championship? That's pretty unlikely, man.

Starting point is 01:13:04 I couldn't possibly picture them having a drive chip and putt. There's just no way they're going to do that. I would have like a brain hemorrhage if you said like they're going to be out there hucking vortexes out onto the 12th green. They're going to be, you know, shooting pool balls in there. They're going to wippin' bunch of balls around. And I gotta say, I'm unexpectedly, totally in on this by the way. And- And you're not check yourself, I was saying. And that's what I was gonna say is like, weirdly,

Starting point is 01:13:35 I just, I felt a tremendous amount of self-awareness being like, oh wait, this is for 10-year-old boys. Yes. This is not for me. This is great. If I was a 10-year-old kid, I would love to shit out of this. And it would probably make me be like, wow,

Starting point is 01:13:48 Augusta looks cool. I'd love to maybe like, maybe I should watch golf with my dad. Oh, you're watching that? I watched the dude perfect thing there. Like, who says no to that? What if you're real, people were so fucking mad. People were so mad.

Starting point is 01:14:01 You understand that, though. It's all very like performative, but it also was like, it was very funny as well. I laughed very hard at how mad people were about it because some of them were serious. And Bryson's a chode. Of course, of course. Listen, for sure, I am amazed by,

Starting point is 01:14:22 my life advice to people would just be like, don't, if somebody, anybody you know has like a cool accomplishment in some way or gets to do something cool, just be happy for him. Like in no way affects like your life. There's no like, oh, you got to play a gustor? Oh, fuck you, I didn't add about that. Oh, they got to film a gustor?

Starting point is 01:14:40 Like, oh my god, like, why would you be mad about that? These dudes are are by all accounts Really good dudes and I've made an incredible business for themselves and like I have you know They do their their content is for kids and they are extremely extremely extremely successful for that It's not for us. So like just raise your hand and be like yeah, it's not for me But like wow, that's pretty amazing. They accomplished that got there the energy was very like the the Augusta National call sheet was like the dudes number one and then guy on Twitter number two is the vibe of just like, oh, they shouldn't have called

Starting point is 01:15:14 them. They should have called me. I don't think you were on the call sheet, man. I would have never pictured that getting signed off on and I have no idea how the hell they pulled that off, but It is very innocent fun. It's like a Nickelodeon show. That's why Bryson fit in very well with it and If you can't smile and just be like wow, what a world then that's a you problem Randy and I had a great time hanging with the dudes in Branson and that's what I was gonna say so let me let me just because I think

Starting point is 01:15:43 There's a large part of me that would love to get in on the very cynical sarcastic takes with the dudes being at a bus. And I totally get that. But I will say, for transparency, I've met them in person. They were all very nice. One of our good friends, hashtag Chad has gone to work with them. Chad is awesome. And two, my two nephews absolutely love the dudes. And as far as kids programming that I am forced to watch with them, like give me the dudes over pretty much anything else that

Starting point is 01:16:18 they're watching. It's a little bit like Christmas. Like I just, if it's just me, I have outgrown it, but once you see it through like kids eyes, then it's like, okay, I get it. So this one was a tough one for me, because I would have loved to jump in and said some pithy stuff for the dudes, but I also, you know, I respect what they've done and they're nice guys and, you know, I, it's all you say it best.

Starting point is 01:16:44 Like, just good for them I'm gonna sit this one out and it's also low-key like super safe for Augusta like the again the content is for kids like it would very much not be safe to send Randy and Neil around Amen Corner and film it like that's that's the way that's where shit could get very weird so let's see what we like to see that sure sure. Sure. Sure. Stay tuned to strap. Did you like to see that? And I guess if you're listening, reach out. If you, you know, if you're open to that, we'd love to talk through it. But yeah, how much drive chip and putt that you guys watch? Zero none. I missed, you know, I missed it. I was didn't want to watch it at all, flip it

Starting point is 01:17:20 on this morning. Cry three times. Cry three times. lifted on this morning. Cry three times. Cry three times. I think that might be the, the, the sign that, you know what guys, we're not as young as we used to be. Exactly. I mean, look, again, that's another thing. It's not for me.

Starting point is 01:17:35 Like I was kind of begrudgingly put it on. Like I don't need to watch the drive trip, but wouldn't have recorded it. But it is very much for a different audience. Like it's very clearly going for the family, you know, appeals. But like, yeah, they had the kid on that his mom had stage four cancer. And like, she was like, they did a whole feature piece on that. And that was really, really, really good. Then a girl that was adopted two years ago, a seven year old,

Starting point is 01:17:56 that ended up winning and her dad was there. And then like, it was, it got me like three or four times. Uh, this is from the NLU Slack. If I may, offer this up as evidence into the court, solid 931 AM. Golf Channel laying in on so fucking thick this AM with the drive chip and putt,

Starting point is 01:18:14 solid 1003 AM update. I have now cried twice. That was a true, just life comes at you fast moment this morning. Look, was that a little hug over? Maybe I'll be edge to begin with. Maybe, all right. Uh, now I'm much like the dudes.

Starting point is 01:18:31 Dry chicken butt sweet. That's, that's the ultimate life. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, they're listening, Rainier. They're just not for you. It's not for you. No, that would change. Yes.

Starting point is 01:18:41 Here's my problem with dry tripping putt. I think, I think the competition itself is stupid. Well, of course. That's what I was gonna say. Sure, yeah, I would tweak some of the stages, of course. The problem, the bigger problem is the cheering dads. Like the weight, the fist pumping dads. There's a difference between the dads

Starting point is 01:18:58 that are super like excited for their kid and the dads that are there for their glorious moment. I also don't like if Randy, another thing I'd love to offer up. We're making having the parents wear like the matching uniforms. Bad, bad, bad, the worst, not good. It's the worst. Now look, when said kid runs up and hugs their mom and mom. But they're like so proud of you.

Starting point is 01:19:17 Yeah, I'm gonna cry. Of course, of course. I'm gonna do it. But they're taking that decision out of your hands at some point. You know, you're left with no choice. You have to cry. The third cry is like shampoo effect. Exactly. Anything would have made me cry at that point. They could, they could go a long way to get me on board if they got rid of all the age groups 10 and over. It should be six, seven, eight, nine year olds. That's it. Love that. You hit 10. You got to go play real golf.

Starting point is 01:19:44 Well, Thomas Stone was that was out there what playing the US women's open at 12. Yeah, exactly. I don't even see these 15 year old kids hitting 10 foot. What's the only way to cut the master's at 14. Take that way. You have to have some self respect. That's what listen, this is well-worn territory of this podcast. We're throwing red meat to the lions now. Allegedly, it's so true though. There's nothing I believe in.

Starting point is 01:20:11 Truthfully, honestly, more than the 14, 15 year olds need to get out of the drive chip and putt. You say that and then before you know it, you're crying into your coffee cup. Okay. Can I say, I don't get why all the kids are allowed to watch the putt? Anyone who's done a blind chip off any of that stuff. You know, you can't watch how much the pup breaks. That's they need to change that rule. Legally there was a PGA tour event this past week as well. I think this is a record for

Starting point is 01:20:37 us for first mention of that. Legit all got JJ respond and won the tournament. He did respond. Yeah. You win for him. Huge tournament. You did respond. Yeah. You win for him. Huge win. It was great. Just a couple of things. We always talk about national opens. We don't talk about state opens a lot.

Starting point is 01:20:52 And this is the 100th anniversary of the Texas Open. That's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a historic like, that should be, feel like a historic thing, right? And it has just turned into like such a sub tier PJ tour event. And it's just kind of a, it's kind of a bummer. I was reading through a lot of quotes trying to drum up some, some excitement for talking about the Valero Texas open.

Starting point is 01:21:14 It was a great question. I don't know who asked someone asked beef like what, what's this tournament's identity? I thought he had a good answer that it plays very Texas for the Texas open. You have to control your ball in conditions more here than you do just about anywhere else on tour. Does that ever come through on the broadcast? Oh, God no.

Starting point is 01:21:30 Zero percent, right? And it's one of those things where I always watch it, or I like kind of half watch it. And I was like, yeah, this tournament sucks, turn it off. And when you actually dive in, it is somewhat of an interesting golf course, right? And there is, it does reward different, you know, kind of a diversity of playing styles.

Starting point is 01:21:50 And there is always like a unique leaderboard. And there's all these little things, I'm like, yeah, you do that well, you do that well, you do that well, this should add up to something that I, you know, really like dig, but there's just like 200 times more golf tournaments than we need.

Starting point is 01:22:07 And I think it's just a casualty of that. Yeah, it's a, it's anything around major championships is going to get sucked up into the vacuum of it. One, it's going to affect your field. And really it's just like for spieth, rory, brys and I'm just looking into how you played this week as it relates to the masters. I don't really actually care how you do in the tournament. It's a, it signifies the turning of the calendar into the PGA tour part of this season that just doesn't matter. Like,

Starting point is 01:22:34 I just don't, I can't get hype for it. There's the beginning part of the year is so good. It's, it's the, the people who are watching golf the most, we can see it in all of our metrics. You can feel the kind of buzz around a lot of the P PJ tour events, you know, not named American Express and Honda and and whatnot. And now it's like, okay, it's major season and everything else kind of falls by the wayside in between. There's some big stops in between. There's memorial. There's, you know, a couple others here and there, but like for the most part, it's about the majors from here on out. Like for the most part, it's about the majors from here on out. And yeah, we've done, in 2022, we've done more on breakaway tours and stuff than we, you know, would need to do in a decade. But only parallel or only kind of a toe all dip into that water is just, again, it continues to highlight the difference between the majors and the PJ tour, right?

Starting point is 01:23:24 And especially the PJ tour trying to make the conundrum that they're in where they're forced to kind of try to treat every event the same. And it's also like impossible to do that, right? And trying to lump the Valero Texas open in with, you know, the players and RIV and all of these things. It just kind of shows how big that casmets. We talked about the fucking drive chip and putt before we talked about this event.

Starting point is 01:23:46 Yeah. You know, and it's, it's, uh, I don't know. It's, it's, it's tough. It's not that the old AT&T at Sugar Loaf in Atlanta was that great of shakes or, but I even thought that and though Houston open used to be right in front of the masters. I thought for whatever reason those fit better. And this this event at Valero and San Antonio just seems so random, which it just even feels more disconnected for whatever reason. I don't know if you guys feel

Starting point is 01:24:16 that way too. Roy, 100% there. All the players always get asked like, is it's a good tune up? Is it not? And first of all, Roy played, which we didn't really well sort of we didn't really talk about, but he talked about how a lot of the surrounds, again, like I think it's a more interesting golf course than a prairie gets credit for, but he talked about how a lot of the surrounds

Starting point is 01:24:34 are actually like kind of similar to Augusta, and obviously it doesn't look like it, but the way that the wind plays there, it just kind of turns all these greens into like, from small greens into like really, really, really small landing zones, which kind of should hypothetically sharp in your iron game. And so I think there's some some Augusta stuff to take from it. It's just when there's, you know, the Anwa and a LPGA major and we've got Augusta next

Starting point is 01:24:59 week. It's just going to keep getting bumped down and down. After WGC. Right. Yeah. Shortly after the players. Yeah. It's to take nothing away from JJ spawn. Yeah. Cool win.

Starting point is 01:25:09 And that's where it's like, it's, you know, these winners just get put in kind of a weird, a weird situation. Like, of course, it's a PGA tour win. It's still a great field. There's great players in the field. It's, it comes with the two-year exemption. He gets into the masters. See, there's, there's all these things,

Starting point is 01:25:25 it's just this kind of weird that it doesn't come with with any kind of fanfare, you know? The thing I was gonna say about JJ Spawn that I think is kind of fun is, he's one of those guys that, again, as like the top of the world gets so much deeper and better, it seems, right? Like when that top 10 just like is so good

Starting point is 01:25:44 and so fun to talk about and so easy to focus on. It is fun every now and again, when you have a guy like this win that, you know, you kind of can zoom out and see like these macro like year long trend lines, right? Where I think at this time last year, he was like five, I wrote down, was it like five, 58 in the world?

Starting point is 01:26:02 And just nothing but respect for the people who just kind of like slowly when you zoom out on data golf or on the OWGR website or whatever. And you can just kind of see them like slowly ticking on their way up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, up, and finally paying off with the win. It's, it's, you know, it's, that's part of the tapestry of golf as well. So good for, good for him. How are you going to make solid cry for? He's one of the, I guess what I'm getting out with all this is like, I'm trying to find these guys what I'm making picks each week.

Starting point is 01:26:35 Right. And I need to be noticing like, Oh, T7 Bermuda, T16 at sea island. Oh, T16 at Pebble. He got a bunch of top 30. He's been very consistent. His J.J. spawn. He might pop one of these weeks. And I just totally miss it. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:26:48 Totally miss it. It is one of those things for me where it's like, I'm sure he's a lovely dude. I'm sure there's many great stories about him, but it's just a casualty of having like 250 of these guys that we're supposed to keep track of. And I just don't know that if that is the case. And I'm sure that is felt by people that do not cover golf.

Starting point is 01:27:06 You know, that is absolutely no reflection on him. It's just man, it's, it was tough to get excited without leaderboard and anything that was any kind of storylines that were developing there. That being said, we doing this was speed. We doing it. Are we willing to ignore like three months of data and just look at today's round?

Starting point is 01:27:23 Because I'm the stand that I saw. Which was I saw a lot of them today that were very much I felt like directed at me gain the most strokes on the field tea degree. Is that what it was or was it approach that was his Best like approach round ever something yes 4.9 or something like that. No seven seven shots approach. No He was for the must have been tea degree. The green was like seven. Yeah. He gave more more shots on the field tea degree than he ever has in that stat today. And he also said, quote, this is the worst I've ever put it in a professional event. End quote. Love that. I'd rather have him striping it and flip over to, I mean, put it horribly. The guy when looked up looked up last year,

Starting point is 01:28:04 guess who led the field and struck security degree at the masters last year. Jordan split. He was negative 0.88 in putting last year at the masters. If he puts just decent, he wins his fourth green jacket. It has no parallels to this year. What are you talking about? And for him to be stripping if he was putting good on those greens,

Starting point is 01:28:20 I'd be I wouldn't think that would translate over anyways. So whatever. Maybe he gets the hot putter. If you're hitting it good. I mean, all I need was a little sign of life. I mean, Jordan's basically going to win the masters. I'm into all. Yeah. I really think speed winning the masters is the best thing that could happen in the world to golf. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. More than roaringory winning it really in the career grants. I am pretty good but gosh there is

Starting point is 01:28:51 You know those guys not really playing well and winning a majors in quite a while now it just has zapped some of my Interest in the in the PJ tour, I need those guys. So yeah, I'm all in on speed because I want to be, I need to be all in on speed. I need it. I need it. I was trying, I meant to look this up and I maybe can kind of build the South even more to expand past these three guys, put between JT and JT doesn't really belong in this group because you don't got one. But JT, speed and Rory, none of them have won a major pass. The age of 25. It's crazy, man, which is, I believe that to be true.

Starting point is 01:29:32 I think Rory won the, um, his British at 24 or 25. I'd have to look at that. Sounds right. Or PGA would have been his most recent one, but it is kind of wild. Um, I, I think we're looking for any kind of sign of life. Look, the numbers are there in terms of what he turns into when he gets to that golf course, Augusta, of course. And we'll still continue to acknowledge, you know, this is a tough L for the I test.

Starting point is 01:29:57 And he does not look like he's hitting it better than he ever, you know, better than he was at this time last year when he was going on his little Cinderella run last year, the takeaway, the rehearsals, all that stuff. You got to just kind of close your eyes. But the numbers say that it's, he's hitting it better this year than he is last year than he was last year. I don't think it says that for the whole year, does it? I mean, it sounds like in this, like, lead up in the the last like, I don't know what the, I forget the date range on what I saw was, but it's comparable or better to when he was going

Starting point is 01:30:31 on that run from kind of the Phoenix open to Augusta last year. I do not think the numbers check out on that one. He was like, I can look that up for you, but I think this was kind of like a, you know, we were we were searching for something and we found a little bit of something because if you look at, I put the guy guys in charts and tweeted this out just like strokes gain numbers of every of all the top favorites and speed over the past three months only shows a 0.48 strokes gained and he was like two point something last year. And I think it was more like his approach.

Starting point is 01:30:59 Sorry. Approaches 0.44, which is you know good not great It's not like elite Jordan speed stuff, but who could say? I mean how wild is it back to your point that both Tiger and Phil have won majors more recently than Rory's speed and Justin Thomas It's well, it's yeah, I don't understand the concept of time Truly don't these guys might need their card. Drove up.'s what I'm saying. If Tiger goes out there and competes, I'm taking cards. We gotta we gotta do better than this guys. I'm sorry. I think that's super fair. I think there's gonna be some guys upset to hear that, but I think I think that's well within you right. Thank you. They might not like hearing it, but I think it's important. So the three months leading up, and I don't think this counts this week,

Starting point is 01:31:47 Speed is 0.44 and Stroke's game approach. Last year, he was 1.27. So he was blades and he was puttin' good last year. He was, you know, he was plus 0.48 on the greens, but that is not the case this time around. We're looking for the magic to come out, and he's gonna come in with lower expectations. I've talked myself into it.

Starting point is 01:32:06 Rory M. Singh. I'm struggling to see anything to get super excited about there other than his numbers do check out for the whole first part of the year. It doesn't feel like it in any way. I struggled to imagine, you know, he was struggling with his distance control and his approach play in general at Valero. I can't imagine that magically getting great at a place where you need to be a lot more precise with irons, but any reason to be hyped about Rory coming into this? I'm gonna, I'm gonna say that for the, we can say that for the preview.

Starting point is 01:32:35 No, no, no. Like yeah, dude, am I really vibing on his, you know, missed cut at the Valero Texas open? Like no, I'm not. Okay, I'm not. I'll jot that down. I didn't have. I didn't know where you're going to go with that.

Starting point is 01:32:47 But he's gone from, you know, he just can't win majors, but he's winning a ton on tour. To now he just doesn't win. And that's concerning. I think he, I don't like where this is headed. And I think it's early retirement. I think his his pre-round presser was, was interesting hearing him talk about like, I mean mean he just In a great way with this is the same thing we always talk about with Rory is like keep talking. It's fascinating

Starting point is 01:33:11 I don't know that we've ever had it like a better window into a superstars mind and I love hearing it But it also just kind of drives me crazy as a Rory fan in that it just It seems like he he's feeling a lot of things out there. You know, it's like, well, I don't want to like, I don't want the match play to be my last thing before the masters. That's a completely different mentality. So I'm going to play the, I'm going to have to play stroke play, but like the masters doesn't, I'm not even thinking about the masters.

Starting point is 01:33:40 I'm even thinking about it. But I do, I definitely need to be, need to play here because in 2013 I came and played here and I actually got like a lot of confidence from playing the Texas Open. So like I took that into Augusta and I played pretty well. So this week I'm like really excited to be back. I'm going to wear the same shirt too. And then he misses the cut. It's like, well, fuck man. Like what's he feeling now?

Starting point is 01:33:57 Like I don't know. I hope he just doesn't. I hope that he can walk away from this week and be like, well, you know, I did a lot of good things and let's go focus on it rather than just like, what am I doing? What am I doing? Last segment here, we're gonna go our Calaway, what's in the bag segment? We are gonna go into Big Randy's bag.

Starting point is 01:34:16 You teased to talk, gosh, we were excited to talk about the Rogue Pro Lions. I didn't even know how good the big guy was hitting the Rogue ST driver, but Randy got some new irons. I keep, I know I heard like all these things are sexy. You got to check them out. I'm going to encourage everyone to go to CalWigOff.com and just look at the Rogue Pro irons.

Starting point is 01:34:29 You finally, it took a long time to get you to switch. What got you to switch and what do you like about the new sticks? I'm a Rogue guy. I, my last pair was, were Rogue Pro irons and I was waiting for Rogue Pro's to come back out. I, you know, I gave the apex a shot, they're great clubs, but just a little bit of offset didn't fit my eye and so thrilled with the Rogue Pro irons coming out this year.

Starting point is 01:34:54 Happy to get them and I can report they have exceeded my expectations. Very clean, they have a very slick design to them. Obviously they're not blades, but they're more in that mold than like a clunky cavity back type of iron, which I really like. They're a player. They're a player. Yeah, they're a player. Exactly.

Starting point is 01:35:16 Exactly. When you when you hit your irons like I do, that's what I demand. So are you flushing it? I got. I mean, I got to play him for the first time in South Carolina. Did you were there? T's strap coming out. I thought I hit my irons pretty well by and large. Didn't always go where I wanted, but I felt like I was. Process was great. Yeah, I was hitting the middle for the most part.

Starting point is 01:35:34 So really like him. We're going to we're head over to Scotland here next week for an extended trip. And I'm so excited to dive in and really test them. I've just, I've found them just a sweet spot and the ease with which, you know, playing for the first time with them, like they were just great. So all props to Cal way. I am a rogue guy. I love the Rogue Pro irons and that's their new model this year. So if anybody's in the market, once that clean look,

Starting point is 01:36:13 sleek good looking irons, no offset, you gotta check out Rogue Pro. Is this gonna get you on the golf course more often in 2022? I think it will, you know? I haven't heard you get excited about anything. I usually kind of just exclude you from the what's in the bag segment because you don't really like playing golf that much. But you're like, I will talk about these irons immediately if you need me to.

Starting point is 01:36:32 Yeah, I like them. And obviously shout out to the driver too. I thought that was, I was finding that very fun to hit. I'm hopeful, you know, I'm hoping to get involved with our with our roofs. The my local one the herb rollers shout out to To the Denver and the Colorado Roots people check that out on the nest on our Message board if they are so inclined, but yeah, hoping to play more golf to answer your question. We'll see how it goes I'll probably hate it by the end of the year

Starting point is 01:37:04 golf to answer your question. We'll see how it goes. I'll probably hate it by the end of the year. Golf. I assume you mean golf, not the rough roads. Yeah, not the ice, please. Don't be there. It'll be my fault. I think you're going to get a big dose of golf this week in Scotland. A trip we've referenced it a couple times. Now what? Twice delayed, thrice delayed. I think we started planning it in 2019. And it has been delayed ever since, but the boys will be boys will be over in the greater five area for what 10 days, 11 days, 12 days, something like that. Just absolutely soaking it up. Randy, if that's not filling up your tank, you know, I feel like, well, I guess it could cut both ways. Either you could, you could completely get your fill and then not play for the rest of the year, or it could just really remind you, you could completely get your fill and then not play for the rest of the year or it could just really remind you it could be you know

Starting point is 01:37:47 Golf in the kingdom shit just absolutely reminding you of everything you love the Returning to burning bush country club just reminding you of what you love about the game, but Either way, I'm excited to see what's gonna happen. Yeah me too. I'm excited to play with you guys It'll be it'll be great. Thank you listen Yeah, me too. I'm excited to play with you guys. It'll be great. You listen, getting a play over there is such a treat. I'm fully confident it will be totally fulfilling. Can't wait. And just for clarity sake as well, we will have full masters coverage while we are there as well.

Starting point is 01:38:16 We are going to be, yeah, there's nothing will change on this other than probably a tiger announcement. We'll have them while we're flying over over to the UK. So that is a wrap for us tonight. We'll be back with a Master's preview very early on in this coming week. Thank you, everyone, for tuning in. And we will see you for the best week of the year. Master's week, we finally made it.

Starting point is 01:38:36 So thank you to your name. Thank you, boys, for being here. Cheers. Cheers. Crackle on. Be the right club today. Yes. Be the right club today That's better than most That is better than most better than most

Starting point is 01:39:04 Expect anything different Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Expect anything different!

No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 538: Tiger at Augusta, Chevron, ANWA, Valero Recap

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