No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 551: Wells Fargo Recap ft. Max Homa

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

Longtime friend of the pod Max Homa wins the Wells Fargo for the second time to claim his fourth career PGA Tour win. Soly, Tron and Randy recap Max's triumph as well as the week for Keegan, Cameron Young, Matt Fitzpatrick, Rory, and more. We also break down the Sergio and Lee Westwood comments in the continued LIV golf saga.  Plus, the C-suite responds to the latest episode of Strapped and we sign off with our traditional post-victory visit from Max.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Kill House and the No Lang Up podcast. It is yet again a celebration, honestly getting a little bit too used to this. Sully here, T.C. is here with me. Hello, Mr. T.C.

Celebration, bitches. This is becoming old hat. Not only that T.C. had him to win this week. 50 nuggets in our draft Kings picks. He is carrying us into the green as a as a family here is a big Wii situation here. Also got Cameron Young and I had Matt Fitzpatrick to win as well. Godly. The guy is hot for a second for all the shit we get about our picks. All of a sudden it looks pretty nice. Yes, I would take credit for TC's. This is the only way I could I could stomach this big Randy is calling in from Denver. Hello, big Randy. Hey guys, TC, congratulations.

It's a real thrill to be with you guys this evening. What a win for our guy, Max. Very, very happy for him. We are hoping to get a call in as his tradition, which I can't believe we have a winning tradition for our friend, Max Homa here on the podcast, but hoping to get at least a couple of minutes with him. He has the link to our recording session here.

I'm guessing he's gonna keep the tradition alive in some way. First, we do gotta talk about our friends at OGO. If it has not become clear, we are doing a lot of travel over the last several months. Listen, I've been talking about the mutant travel bag from OGO for five years now. They sent this to me in the summer of 2017.

I've never had a golf travel bag last very long and I can attest almost five years later. This travel bag has stood the test of time for so many golf trips. And not only that, the OGO offerings are so much deeper past that. They also we've been using the rigs too. You might have seen that way back in season, what three of tourist sauces at the rig, 9800. The I it's enormous bag. They we use for all of our long trips.

TC, your golf bag, your golf travel bag, you, United might have to change their baggage policy, be strictly because of you. I got the Alpha travel cover mid. It's not even the max. Oh my god. It's the mid. And, you know, I'm, listen, as a, as a premier one,

K with United, I think I get 75 pounds. And I use all of that 75 pounds. Randy, I went to the wine store in Portland, brought all that wine in my golf bag. It was, it was, it was 72 pounds. I, uh, we were packing up to go and I was running out of space. I was like, I'm dropping stuff off at TC's because I know he can fit it. Randy, what do you have? I have the, I have the same one as TC knew this year.

Uh, big thanks to our to our friends at Cal way, and I have absolutely loved it. It has allowed me, just like TC, I can pack extra vests and sweaters and long sleeve gear, which was super helpful going to Scotland and bandin earlier this month, allowed me to pack less in my regular suitcase, which is always a thrill.

OGO.com. That's OGO.com for any of your travel needs cannot say enough great things about OGO and how much they've helped us get around a little bit. Max, Homa, fourth PGA tour win, Randy couldn't resist in text getting in a fiendal dig completely irrelevant, a hundred million percent irrelevant here. That's what four four wins know for Max four wins for Max three in the last, uh, what 15 months. Yes. Since February of 2021, that is just seven.

Two or a week. I, you know, I just think no, don't do it. Let's focus on Max. I should know you said it is twice the goal for Tony Fino. Sure. That's fine. I think that's no on Max. I should know you said it. It's twice the goal for Tony Fino. That's right. That's fine. I think that's no small thing. And I think also maybe if you want to explain,

how Tony just simply is unlucky not to win more. Would love to unpack that sometime. In light of our good friend winning for the fourth time. And the third time here and since last February. You don't pay your debts as it relates to Fino. You do not get to talk shit anymore. Every week that goes by is another week where you don't pay your debts as it relates to Fina. You do not get to talk shit anymore. Every week that goes by is another week where you do not pay your debt of the bet

that you lost in August. And it's kind of sad honestly. To be honest, I was shitting all over this event at the beginning of the week, just thinking, like, hey, I was excited for it to go back to TPC Potomac at Avonel Farms. I think the last time they had it there, I think 2018, our friend Stephen Britain was the

super duper. I knew you were going to get this in. You've got this in on this week. It was awesome. It was so burned out. Like, they were like losing the golf course because they were going to redo it, I guess. But man, like shout out to TPC Potomac. Like, what a, like, it's a great tournament course.

It's a perfect PGA tour course. It is all the right risk elements to it and slopes and elevation change and long long par four short par fours pins on slopes kind of you know like that the drivable four on the back nine was at 14 has just a awesome 14 or both. Yeah, like 350 and then and then 2 95 or 300 meaty par four is like number 11 like it just dude It was it was hard to, hard to watch Max try to close it out because it's like some nerve-wracking tough shot. And there's some birdie. Like the last five holes are kind of,

you can birdie as well. So that, but also like, if this felt like more of a U.S. open than Rory's win at Congressional. Like this felt like more of a major win. I mean, I know the field was weak and everything like that, but like I felt like I was watching more real golf here than I was when when Rory wanted congressional. Randy, you want to help me rain this guy in here or what?

I mean, that's a take. Yeah, sure. I like it. I, you know, I'd be happy if we never went back to Quill Hollow. Yes, for sure. That's that was a question we got to. Sorry, I didn't copy this one into the agenda. But like, hey, if I liked the golf course this week, because I just actually mean that I hate quail hollow that much. And- I don't know if quail hollow deserves like the hate category.

I don't know if it's like full on Torrey Pines boring golf, but like we've seen enough of quail. Of course we will see it this fall. The president's cut for some reason. Max seems like both. He seems to like both. I made a joke on Twitter. It didn't really land very well. It's like horse for course. You know, when you win at the same course multiple times, but if you win the same event on different courses, I think that makes you a monster for sponsor. It was cricket.

Now that I say that, I was trying to come up with with some sort of reply that that tied in the whole checking account or savings account scandal from Wells Fargo to rhyme with that, but I couldn't. Wells Fargo, the original sports washers. Oh, come on, Randy stick to sports. Will you? I love it. If you guys want to go deep into the fraud being perpetuated by Wells Fargo over the last decade plus shout out to John Stump. I perpetrated by Wells Fargo over the last decade plus shout out to John Stump. Since the start of the 2021 season, this came from Kyle Porter. Max Holma has more worldwide wins than Rory, Rom, Speed, JT, Bryson, DJ, Zander, and Brooks. Like a little bit of selective end points there, but that's pretty freaking wild.

So he included Zander as two wins. I think the Olympics counts in there. Okay. Fair, right? I guess. So he included Zander as two wins. I think the Olympics counts in there. Fair right? I guess. And the team of that, that's like maybe one. And the net. He doesn't count the net. The gross. He want a gross tour championship in there as well.

So I mean, I'm kind of out of words is to say about Max. I mean, it sneaks up on me whenever he does win one of these things. I feel like I can never time it right or never know what to expect when he's going to play great. But the dude has a different level of play when he's going to go close out golf tournaments. And I don't know. Today was the most nervous. I've been watching him, but looking back at it, like he hit all the shots.

Like he had a couple of sub-ups here and there that the weird block wedge into 16 was a little nerve wracking there for a minute, but other than that, man, you just like stepped up hit a towering shot right over the flag on 15 was pouring puts in the center of the center of the hole. It's just a, it's an absolute joy to watch today. I mean, it was so much fun. The drive on 18 after chicken sprayed it out to the right. The, the, the, I mean, he came out, came out firing early, put the pressure on K. Oh, so good. And sprayed it out to the right. The the we've did. I mean, he came out came out firing early, put the pressure on Keegan there. But like, I go back to Saturday. I mean,

we texted him on Friday night, like this forecast looks fucking terrible. It looks awful. And he was like, yo, like, mutters only this weekend, man. And I mean, I thought he I thought he hold the approach into 10 on Saturday, almost made that crazy long putt, like a he hold the approach into 10 on Saturday, almost made that crazy long put, like a 90 foot putt on nine on Saturday. It was just, man, it was like, and it seems like the, like the putter, it seems like the aim point stuff

has really helped him out. Watching today, it was just, oh my God, I was so pumped on like 15, that was unreal. Big boy birdie on that second part, three on the front. I think that was nine. Like it just, just really, really good golf, man. It's a clap. I mean, this is very different course

and conditions than his first three wins. I mean, he won on firm, you know, firm courses out in California. And in Kweil Hollows, a different test, I think, you know, distance wise, especially than this course, but it's just another one. You have to be in such great control of your confidence in a week like that with varying conditions.

You just have to, it takes a certain level of fuck it in them to just be like, I'm still playing golf. I got none of this is really mattering to me. I got him playing the sport and he said something like, in an interview afterwards, this week which is kind of like find it, hit it, and find it, and hit it again. And that is being locked into the zone

as far as like winning a golf tournament it's i mean saturday like saturday watching like i i haven't been this locked in like i don't know why i think it was just because of the conditions starting really on friday i'm like this is like actually fun to watch because it's guys trying to get the ball in the whole by any means necessary not just worrying about their swings or their attack angles or whatever. Like guys are hitting 60% drivers and three woods off T's and hitting them, you know, 230.

And, you know, I'm playing in three sims on Saturday too. Like they're out there for longer. Guys had stocking caps on. Max was three back at the start on Saturday to Jason day. And I think I think you get a three shot lead after five holes. On Jason Day, let himself on fire. That was a big attack. I think he was nine over through eight.

So awesome. And you know what, credit today, because I thought he was gonna withdraw for like hypothermia or. I'm a damn it. I thought you were gonna actually give him credit for him. No, but also he did buckle down. He broke 80.

Like he was like nine over through eight and then he ended up shooting 79. So, you know credit to him and rebound it with a 70 today. Yeah. So, Randy, what are you thinking right now, bud? Well, I think, you know, Max is like legitimately a very good golfer on the PGA tour, which I think everybody kind of knows, but four wins is four wins. I was texting with my brother in law, Goodbar. He obviously very excited for Max's win. And I think, you know, looking ahead,

it's really the only thing now is we just gotta start competing in majors. I would love for somebody like Justin Ray, like has there ever been somebody to win four times before finishing in the top 10 at a major? I truly think it's like Max has proven himself week to week on the PGA tour and I'm so excited for when he inevitably starts getting into contention at the majors because I have to think that's around the corner.

Hopefully as early as this summer. I would got to think that you know someone like just this could be a shot across the belt. Something like a billhaz or like a Russell Henley, I feel like has won a lot. Wands a lot on tour, but doesn't do a lot in majors. I think eventually he's got a decent record of the masters. Yeah, okay. I'm not looking at records. The first guy that I thought of was Kograx.

Kograx only won three times, but he's never, never finished top 15. Sorry, his best finishes is T14 at this year's masters. Never finished top 15. Sorry, sorry, his best finishes, it's T14 at this year's master, he's never finished top 10 at a major. Hoss is a good call. He won five times without a top 10 at a major. And then finally got a top 10 in 2016, which is after six wins.

Yeah, to your point, which is amazing. It's just very odd, I guess, to have, he's showing it just very odd, I guess, you know, to have, you know, he's showing it in these events that man, he can play, he can close. And I'm not even like trying to ding Max right now. I just more like, I can't wait until he inevitably gets himself into position.

Because I think the majors, at least contending, at least having looks like it's gonna come. And that's gonna be even more exciting. Pretty small sample size as far as the majors for least contending, at least having looks, like it's gonna come and that's gonna be even more exciting. Pretty small sample size as far as the majors for him too. Like he's played in all four majors the last two years. Gotta think, all right, 2020 was, all right, sorry, three out of the four in 2020 because they didn't know the British Open and then four out of four last year. And so it's like, you know, and prior to that, he only played in one as a professional.

So I think he's like, now know, and prior to that, he only played in one as a professional. So it's, I think he's, it's like, now he's got his feet under him. And it's also, you know, if, I don't know how to, how to stress this take, but it's like guys like I'm in the haze category, I feel like that are, are, are primed for PGA tour golf courses. Major champion chips, always in my mind, require a different level of precision of the smart iron shot, like the proper

iron shot landing in the right spot and holding firmer greens. And I feel like Max fits that profile really well. Like again, two of his victories were on some of the firmest greens. We, you know, you can, you're going to see on the PGA tour. And so it's not like his game is not cut out for major championships. So that is the next frontier for him to clear. But you know, the, it's, it really is just amazing. Like, you know, we're joking earlier about the Finaus stuff, but how incredibly rare it is to have, I think

he has no runner-ups on the PJ Tour and one third place finish. I think only other top five in the PJ Tour, when he gets close, he has gotten the job done almost 100% of the time, which is one, not sustainable, and two, so incredibly rare. I don't know, I guess a different kind of gene to just be able to go out and play your best golf when you need to on Sundays. Yeah. He's a killer.

Some people have it. So some people don't. What else can we say? I will say on the major front, like Southern Hills, LACC, Brookline. I mean, these places fit his game, right? Like he's pretty good at everything as long as the putter gets hot.

He is in strokes game wise, playing obviously the best golf of his career this season. He's over a stroke up in the positive on strokes game. Even last year, he won a tournament last year, but he was about 0.6, the year before he was about 0.56. So gaining a full and other half shot really just across the board, better driving, better approach play, a little bit better putting it. It's all seems very sustainable and gosh,

I can't wait to see what's next for him. So happy for him, man. I mean, it a great interview afterward. It's just like kind of routine now, you know, talking about my life's really good. It's got so much perspective. Oh, he gave you got a perspective joke in on it. Of course, just whooshed right over Fautos head. They were not prepared for that one, but just a cool customer, man.

It just it felt kind of somewhat routine for him, honestly. It's almost starting to feel routine for me too. Yes. I almost regret the lack of relative excitement I felt today compared to, you know, his first win at Wells Fargo and of course when he beat Tony in the playoff at Riviera, that was awesome as well. But it was just like, man, yeah, I kind of am not shocked by seeing Max Winnec Golf tournament, which is both incredible. And I regret that that true excitement and joy I felt, not that I still don't feel that for him. It's just, you know, it's like you said, it's almost becoming old hat weirdly.

I felt more excited for this one than I did for the for the Napa one. Yeah. I feel like two in the same season. I know it's not the same calendar year, but the same season. That's a big deal, right? And it's, I don't know, it just feels like more of a validation than that felt like, all right, it's a fall series event. That about it. This is, you know, I know it's, you know, you've still got Rory and, you know, you like, you've got good dudes in the field at this event. And it's right in the middle of major season, you know? 100%.

So CEO Brian 4698 asked, does Max make the president's cup team as a pick if he doesn't make it on merit? It's time to start that conversation, right? I mean, I know it's May, but we've got a long ways to go when it comes to points, but it is, I think, is well, well within time to start that conversation. I mean, you know, Kizner's got a good, good record at at Quail Hall. Oh, he's six right now.

Of course, of course, he's got to be in the conversation. Yeah, he moved from 12 to 6th. The presence cup is following the same format as the red cup followed, which is top six on points are making it and there's six captains picks. So I do think he's going to need to, you know, finish pretty strong. I think he's going to need to be eighth or ninth or so to get the pick to warrant the pick. I know he's got obviously a win at Kweil Hollow as well to his record. It's really, he's got to be so well liked.

It's like going to be up to the other players, I think more than it is even up to Davis love to make that kind of selection. And I would think he takes every possible box you could want for a team. Listen, as an international supporter, I'm going to recuse myself. You guys can talk amongst yourselves.

Yes or no right now, Randy, as Max going to be on the president's cup team. I think yes. Guys like Dustin and Bryson, and of course there's a lot of golf left between now and the fall, but it seems like some of those quote unquote stalwarts from years past are having a little bit of off year

and some injuries and it's like, yeah, man, why not, Max? And I honestly think the president's cup should be a chance to work in new blood into the American team golf environment. And so I got like, Max would be an ideal pick for me, of course, on bias. But I think he's going to keep playing well too. So I see no reason why he's like markedly outside that top 10. And you know, with a couple wins, his history of Quail Hollow, there's no reason why he wouldn't be very deserving of a captain's pick. I am getting a little worried. I love bond to death. I don't think bonds are great fit

of Quail Hollow. Probably not. The international team. Are you willing to concede that the international team is going to be to concede that the international team is gonna be very big underdogs at Quail Hall? Listen, if my man Jay Day keeps rising up the ranks here, Mackenzie Hughes keeps playing well, Sun Jay, Joaquin, Mito Pereira, Cam Smith. We at least is probably gonna win next week. T.C., we got things percolating in Japan too that

we don't even know how good some of these guys might be. Are you team international for the president's cup team too, Brady? Well, I think it was, I think it was decided that if I chose it for the right. I had to take it for everything. That's true. I can. I can. I can. I can. How are cup happily for. Yes. Home or cup. I'm hurt is cop everything. I think if we're looking at, you know, obviously the US Ryder Cup team from last year, you would be looking to keep as many of those guys

together as possible, but injuries for hair singlish, injuries for Bryson, who knows what we're going to see out of him for the rest of the year. Finau has not played good golf over since the Ryder Cup at all. I think he's got one top 10 since then. Yeah, if we're looking at, you know, if it's between Fee now and Max right now, I'm taking Max for sure. So I, as we're sitting here right now, I would guess that he's going to be on it. He's far from a lock. There is a ton of golf to be played. If we're making teams right now, he's definitely, definitely going to be on it. But it is interesting how

long it's going to take to cycle out like, like, we have, I'm not even saying cycle out, Taylor Gucci and Tom Hogueer in the top 10 of the rankings right now. I ain't co-crack sitting there at 11th. I don't know if he's going to be eligible when the, when the, uh, president's cup rolls around here in the next couple of months, but we'll see. Co-crack sitting there playing the crown prince cup. He might be team international. I got all sorts of flak this morning.

I was, you know, I was watching the DP World Tour, just a fantastic finish there. And I was running down, you know, my preferred guys for the Ryder Cup. Honestly, I just forgot about Lowry. That's good. If we're like, oh, Lowry, I'm like, yeah, you know, I probably, I'll slot in Lowry for like Sam, Sam Horsefield or somewhere like that. That's what, yeah. Also, TC said he was excited to ride with the with the team that you're brought to whistle straight

So take his take his team with a grain of salt of some I had to faint some Ross You can't TC just real quick on the writer come I do we heard from so many people in saying Andrews that in a couple of years the writer the European writer cup team Might be all Scottish people. I think I heard that out of the mouths of numerous people. It's gonna be all Scots and Swedes and Danes. Yeah, we're headed for a whole new era.

My favorite is when DC just gets so amped about like, what is on the scale of professional golfers just a very average player, like, oh, this guy right here, that's who's coming. Like, that's gonna be the game changer. Bob McIntyre. Sam Horsefield or something like that. It's my favorite. here that that's who's coming. Like that's going to be the game changer. Bob McIntyre. Sam Horsefield or something like that. It's just it's my favorite. It's a new guy every week. And we've been on Ludwig for a while.

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It's hard, I wanna ask you this. I wanna, I also don't care for Kegan. I can't really put my finger on why. So, where does it rank in terms of like, you know, the true shitheads out there that are just bad guys and like the guys are like, I just don't root for that guy and don't enjoy watching. Probably kind of in the middle. Like, it's like, I, you know, it's important to make that decision. It's slow as shit. Like I respected him for like pulling, you know, pulling back, like,

you know, the anchor or the whatever belly putter got outlawed. He ended up going through the wilderness for a while, comes back Wednesday, 2018 BMW. Like at the time, I was like, you know what? Hats off to the guy. Like he's a good golfer, right? I hate his pre-shot routine. Yes. I think he's slow as shit out there. Like his swing makes me uncomfortable. His swing in his posture maybe uncomfortable get him The whole Miguel in hell him and as that was thing was ridiculous Pepsi seems like a douche I know Pepsi's not in the bag anymore, but the fact that Pepsi was on the bag for so long The handshake today. I thought it was those tops week as fuck. That was that was a tough

In the Jordans and all that, like I like Jordans. I just don't like them on him. He looks like a dipshit. Rani loved the handshake, because he wants guys out there competing. Well, I don't understand, I don't get the big deal with the handshake. It's a gentleman's game.

Yeah, the guy was high, he shook his hand. What do, what else do you want him to do? Well, I mean, what do you, I mean, look him in the eye and say like, Hey man, congrats. Like you outdo me today instead of just breezing right past him and not even making eye contact. I mean, he's pissed.

He gave it away. He shot 72 bad, you know, couple bad doubles. He was, he was hot. He was running hot. Yeah, I don't know. It seems like you could pause for just a little second. I know, that's probably like if, you know, if so and so does it, we probably look like passing don't think anything of it. Yeah, but it's what I'm feeling.

But it's adding to the talent. Totally. It's adding, it's like the whole, the guy's whole like massive. I lived in Massachusetts. I have a bunch of friends from Massachusetts. He represents the worst stuff about people from Massachusetts to me. The whole Ryder Cup suitcase thing was corny as fuck. That was awesome.

It was fantastic. I wonder if he's gonna unpack his bag from this week. How long it's gonna take him to unpack it from this week? Can you know, can't unpack it until he goes back and wins the Wells Fargo? It's just not for me, man. It seems to be the sentiment online as well, which we're not asked to explain it too much,

but a couple people are like, wait, what's the Keegan thing again? I don't even know if I know. A lot of caddies I know, they're like, yeah, I'm like, fuck Keegan. Yeah, not many guys correct us on this one. Let me ask you this. How much does the name Keegan play? 100%.

Totally. Oh yeah, if his name was like Jack, right? I feel like we would would find him a little bit less uh, reprehensible. I like Pat. I used to like Pat Bradley. I like Pat Bradley less just because of her association like he in these days.

Again, sometimes I just like some of it's irrational. I don't like to do it. And some of it is like well-founded, I think. It uh, he would he had had the benefit of the doubt really, to draft off of a fill partnership for many, many years. The intro to his career was like, oh, he and filler, like electric to watch in team events. And once that kind of split up,

it just didn't really last for me. So. And he beat, you know, he won't beat fan favorite Duffner. And I, Keegan doesn't, I get all the stuff stuff with Kevin. I just want to say on the record, I'm kind of more neutral on him. He doesn't, doesn't make me that upset. Freddy's a big red storm fan. That's kind of sick. You want to say John's? No, not many guys coming out of the St. John's golf program.

There is a story too that someone that I can't tell the story because like it quite literally would only come from this one person that was there to witness this one thing. Like, told me a Keegan story about just a true asshole move that he did towards someone extremely undeserving of this kind of treatment that was just so cold-hearted that I was like, okay, all right, now I needed that one story that feels pretty validated. And then another one we heard somewhat recently, I hope this is whoever I forget who told me this. I hope this one's okay to share as well. But there's a lot of Kegan MJ betting stories out there.

And there was one, I believe somewhat recently, who knows what's even true, but it's a funny story anyways. But Kegan's up a fair amount of money on MJ as they're on the 16th hole. I believe at the grove. Nuggies, they're just betting. Nuggies. So they're betting Nuggies and Kegan, you know, talking shit as they are want to do and say like, I'm going to take your money and I'm going to go to your boys restaurant tonight, meaning Tiger. And I'm going to get me nice bottle wine. I'm going to get me a steak. Like, thank you very much.

MJ. I'm going to get a warm towel. I'm going to see the white belts. I'm going to fit in really well with the white belts. And MJ gets mad and says, all right, we're playing the last three holes. No strokes straight up right now. MJ birdie 16 and then par 17 and 18 and Keegan par is all three. And as they finish up on 18 MJ just goes, enjoy Taco Bell bitch. I don't even care if that's true. That was such a great story that I had to share that with him. And when MJ said hit him with a,

ain't nobody wearing air kegans, like you're wearing my shoes. That was one of the, that was one of the great digs of all time. First story too of MJ, like him losing a ton of money to MJ and MJ, like basically like making him go to the bank or the ATM. And then like having like one of MJ's body men,

like bring him back to the golf course with the cash. Matt Fitzpat's Patrick quietly. I think part of it with Keegan too is like. I didn't know that thing. He's not like to me. It's like how is he hanging out with MJ? I know. It just like it just doesn't add up to me. That's always piss me off a little bit. Right? I'm like, yo MJ like this dude's not cool. I'm not cool either, but you're not hanging out with me, you know. Makes perfect sense. Uh, Matt Fitzpatrick quietly playing the best golf of his life. He made some swing changes in the off season. They've taken shape very quickly. He's gaining a ton of shots off the tee this year, which is a big, pretty big development. Uh, and I got to say this is not

bold. He's, you know, obviously one of the top 10 favorites or so. Most of NCT's it up in. I think a win is coming for him this year. I think he's going to break finally break through on the BGA toward win one. Matt Fitzpatrick is going to make the leap from like, he's been like Teddy Bridgewater the last five, six years of his career. Now he's going to he's going to be like a bonafide

starting quarterback in the league. Is is Teddy Bridgewater or bonafide starting quarterback in the league? No, no, no, like he was Teddy Bridgewater. Okay was Teddy Bridge or now he's going to be like, you know, to a, yeah, no, to is not a bona fide starting quarterback. He'll be like, can he pick it? Oh, can he pick it? You're giving him bona fide style?

They're both little. They both got little hands. Okay. My man, Kenny's got some work to do. Uh, Fitz just looks as confident as I've seen him on the golf course and it, uh, my man, Ken, he's got some work to do. Fitz just looks as confident as I've seen him on the golf course. And it, it's, yeah, I don't have a whole lot more to say than that. You know, it's just don't let that, don't let that sneak up on you that he's playing extremely, extremely good golf, which I know he finished.

Well, it's, it's hardening to see once again, as the conditions get harder, he kind of seems to rise. I don't know if that's just anecdotal, but there seems to be something to that. I always thought, you know, a US open type setting or these events where it's not the most birdies that are going to win. It seems like that's where he's usually in his element a little bit. I got some inside track info. This is the only the first place you're going to hear this and the only place you're going to hear that. But your debuting this is the US open next month is at the country club at Brookline. Okay. Matt Fitzpatrick won the US am at Brookline. Okay. Just remember that as

you go to make your picks. No one else is going to have that information leading up into next month. So just remember that right here right now to To be fair, after playing the course, it does fit the topic course. It makes total sense. It does. It's gonna be, I think it's, I think it's like a cam Smith golf course. We can, we can, we talked, no, we haven't talked about it.

Oh, that was Monday. That was past, this is the longest week of my life, I think. No, but it was so fun to watch guys, like it's Patrick and Bonn. And she had Brian Harmon was playing so well in the conditions hitting those,

you know, hitting little squeezers. Everybody else is making bogies doubles, triples. You know, he's making parsing birdies on Saturday, you know, Saturday, midday. I just got to had so much fun watching that guys.

Another I mean, Lanto. I'm the only proper golfers. Listen, I'll hand up on that one. Respect. Lanto's been, he played well this week. He played well this week. He's been, he's been playing well. It's some surprising venues. That is so big of you.

I'm so proud of you for coming to show with that. But sure, guys, listen, could not be more happy for our friend, Max. The guy that probably should have won the golf tournament this week was Cameron. Yeah, he is playing out of control golf. He led the field in strokes. He wiped the field was in strokes game T degree in this week. Game 15.3 shots was number one in strokes game off the T five in strokes

game to approach. He lost 2.3 strokes on the green this week and finished two shots out of a playoff. He was 57 stroke scheme putting of all the guys that made the cut. Is it 13th in the FedEx Cup, 13th in the FedEx Cup, 38th in the world. This is his third top three finish in his rookie year on tour. So like, honestly, but I was looking at today, like I would not, I would, let's put his chances at 5%, but I would not rule out. Uh, presence cup for him for Quail Hollow.

I think that I mean, he's he's looking at him very, very good for East Lake right now. Again, we got a long ways to go. But um, he's played, he played, I mean, he played well, RBC. The guy absolutely bombs the ball and had a really good way. Was he T2 or T3 at, uh, at RBC? He was T3 and now he comes to see T2 here. That was a big test to pass in terms of. Shitty T2 at at RIV. Yes.

That's he hung tough. He hung tough with Neiman over that entire weekend and T2 at Sanderson. Like this was his this was his fourth gosh. Okay. That's a long. I forget about the reach around sometimes. He's up to 38th in the world. We had Hubert on the podcast in the fall,

and he like paused us for a couple of minutes to make sure we talked about how good Cameron Young is. And man, to come out and do that is to strike the shit out of the ball that well for that long is really impressive. You wanna say anything about Rory? Listen folks, unconfirmed reports that I since sourced and confirmed confirmed he is back. He's back. I think he's

rounding in the form at the perfect time. And like, it's, you know, what? I think he had to go through these doldrums over the last few years. I think I think we're going to see a major from him this year. One of the next. I love it. You feel me Randy? I don't think he's gonna win a Brooklyn. I don't think he's capable of winning a Brooklyn. But it's more fun when people are convinced that Rory's gonna win a game. Well, it's golf's a lot more fun. He shot 68 68 on the weekend in like the worst conditions.

And you know, like Jamie we're tweeting. He's like, hey, like he's from Northern Ireland. Like he's used to, I'm like, yeah, but he never actually plays well in the conditions. Even his dad shit's on him. He's like, he's not a mutter. Yeah, he knows he's used to, I mean, yeah, but he never actually plays well in the conditions, even his dad shit's on him. He's like, he's not a mother. Yeah. He knows he's not a mother.

Yeah. So for him to go out and shoot 68, 68 this weekend, show me something. And Justin Ray had some stats this year just to kind of highlight just how bad Roy's wedge game has been. And it was good this week, but I couldn't help but notice. I think what whole is this on today? Was it 16, I think? They cut to him and he had 153 in

and he absolutely just wails on a pitch. It looks like he's trying to jam a pitching wedge back there. You're trying to talk me out of this, man. A ton of speed, adding a ton of spin to it. Like never had it, it got somewhat closed and then spun all the way back off the front. And it was just like,

that just looked so unnecessary. Especially after like the day and a half prior to that, it's like you've been hitting real golf shots, a little cut offs and like manufacturing stuff. And now we're just back to playing home run Derby. Right. So I don't mean to make that the big takeaway, but I just saw that and I was just like,

oh, God, it's just frustrating. It seems like every time he gets close to turning over, I mean, he came out absolutely blazing. He buried it five of the first six holes. He bogey, he had a bogey mixed in there, but got to four under through six holes to start. And then, of course, just throws them all back and end up shooting three under and then faded, you know, but he made the call number this this week. So he started on Saturday. He started on 10. He said, bogey, bogey. And he played the next 16 holes in four under. Yes. In that weather. Yeah. Crazy. And I was I was proud of him for that. In a day where we were desperately searching for

mutters, it was quite a shock to see Rory being a true mutter. Anything else you guys have from this week at the Wells Fargo. Anything else you guys have from this weekend, the Wells Fargo. A few other guys just popping up. Steven Yager hasn't had a great season thus far. Get some inside the top 125 of T6, find around 66. Bond saw a lot of him this weekend. Just hung around 70, 71. Get some up to 44th in the facts cup. Stuucinct 65 did. He is going to he's 48 years old. He's going to absolutely annihilate. He's going to be a menace on the champion store postman starting to show signs of life. Harmon faded a little bit. What'd you guys think about James

Han the ship eating incident for those that missed it. What happened? for those that missed it. What happened? So, so, so, Han, like short, like low side short, like he just basically wipes this putt and like really, really poor effort at a putt and then he he gets on this fan. Like it wasn't really even malicious. It was just like, yo man, I can hear you eating those chips. Like was he trying to like kind of funny, but then in the context of like him bitching about stuff. Remember that a few years ago when he bitched about the crowd at the match play? I don't think I do remember. Oh, he got like all these tweets, you know, few tweets he sent out and just just pillering the crowd.

Saying, hey, like I should have expected the worst out of somebody that it was and be spoken as backswing, I guess. And it's just, it seemed a little bit ticky-tack. Can't have that. I'm always shocked when I see James Han just playing. He's one of those guys where I'm like, you get to tell me you're retired five years ago and I'd be like, oh yeah, I remember him.

He had that, like didn't he do that dance the one time out in the desert? So truly, truly remarkable just to see him still playing his craft, I guess, for me. The NFT of that dance is what's driving that $20 billion number that Phil keeps throwing out. It was the Han and Bond show. I love Kurt Byron Weeks.

I think he's an excellent analyst and just seems like he gets the B events and I want to see him get some bigger events, but listen to him on golf channel. He's one of my favorite analysts to listen to. I agree with that. I think Chez, we gotta give a shout out to Chez. Shout 67 today.

T15, gets him inside the top 100. Kurt Kittie-Yama. 67, 67, first two rounds, 76 yesterday, and then a 69 final round. He's playing some good golf though. Good stretch for him. Real odds wizard says is this stretch from the masters in the PGA playing out as one of the most boring months in professional golf history is it just me. I could just do a little bit, but it has been it's been I don't know why this year has

felt like an especially long stretch between majors. I know we watched it. We did pot on it last week. I'm racking my brain as to what the tournament was. You're post-Solinos. Oh, group of S. That was an awful tournament. I don't know. That one's kind of working for me. Although, I mean, saw plenty of group of S.

Lines commercials this week. They have, they're gonna hit their, whatever the minimum quota, they have to hit for the year. They're gonna hit it. They're sharing the prosperity with the PGA tour. Not Dr. J when Max, Rory and Spieth are contending hypothetically, what's the rooting pecking order? Well, it depends where. Yeah. Let's say it's the US open then or I guess the PGA is the next major.

PGA at Southern Hills. Speed. I'd say speed. Speed one. Speed max. Roryory, but if speed wins this one, then it would be after that, it would be max. Like speed is back, then it's max. We need, we need speed to be back. Golf is so much better when speed is back. Yeah. Let's get speed back.

Let's have win a major and then we can turn our attention to max. I echo TC's ranking. I mean, I'm rooting for max over pretty much anyone out there. I think, like, max versus Tiger would be super interesting. It would that's a no-low situation. Really? Randy speed versus Tiger. Oh, speed. Honda. Honda. Speed. Really? Speed versus fill. Fill for sure. Are you rooting against or for fill? I'm rooting for him.

against or for Phil I'm rooting for him. I love him as a golfer. I'm rooting for him. I'm rooting for him. I love him. He's a complicated character. Nothing has changed for you with Phil. Oh, I mean, God. I mean, this was on the agenda, but I did.

Now we need to hold it on this now. Now listen, if I'm just turning into like watch golf, then I really enjoy watching Phil make us from play golf. I don't know. I don't think much has changed. It that's different. Different to than you were singing a few months ago. Because it felt like you were you were pretty much swearing them off a few months ago.

I know. But I just have no I have no energy to. To fight all of this. It's just a beaten down. I'm worn down. Just just let me know what happens. Can't wait to get it. I'm going to be able to do it. I'm beating down, I'm worn down, just let me know what happens. Can't wait to get into our next segment then.

It's hard being, it's hard being aggrieved all the time. I think that's what it boils down to, is I just, you know, some days I just can't muster the energy. Just want to watch sports. You just want to watch golf. Exactly. I think overall though, a big reason why I, you can classify me as aggrieved is like, I think it will make watching the sports way worse.

Like in this case, being the golf, I think this, this division and whatever's coming to Saudi stuff is one, I think the Saudi stuff has no chance to be entertaining for golf fans and two, a more fractured golf world is not going to make for better events that we're already watching. That's like a huge driver for me. Sure, but I guess the events, like if we're like real talk, the only events I truly care about, you know, they're like five of them. And four of them are going to remain unchanged. So it just like through that lens, I don't know. I can't, like I said, I just can't get myself worked up today.

You know, ask me later this week and I might have switched. I'm getting to the point where with the players, the guys that are the ring leaders, they're dead to me. You know, Baba and Poulter and guys like that that are trying to increase in. I'm sorry, we got that surgery on all those guys. Like I you know what? Like guys get the fuck out.

Like I'm good. Like go take your money and just like nobody has to care about you anymore. Every again. But where I like and then the guys that are probably going to go play in some of these things. Like I don't really know how to feel because it you know, at the end of the day, it's like it's a shitload of money

and they're doing this as a job. it's their living and they're providing for their families and like, they're not the ones that have fought for this change or whatever. And if anything, I think the the tour, like Jay Monahan and Tim Fincham and those guys are like just as just as responsible for this as somebody like Phil McClure said, it's like like to Randy's point of like the the tour schedule is so bloated and they've been, like, they haven't involved one bit over the last 20 years. Like, they've left themselves so open to this. And like, I don't think there is, there is responsible as say a Phil Michael center at Greg

Norma, but like, you know, as a Bubba or somebody like that. Like, I think it's, it's just very much, I'm conflicted because like, you know, as a Bob or somebody like that, like I think it's, it's just very much. I'm conflicted because like it sounds like a shitload of guys are gonna go play in this thing and that's Centurion Club in London. Centurion when I think, yeah, there's gonna be a fair amount to go play in it. The organ one is gonna be interesting how that's gonna happen. We got a tip that Jay Monham will be making a visit to DC this week. I believe on Tuesday to meet with lawmakers of some kind.

I do not know what the play is exactly here, but I'm sure we'll be hearing plenty about that. But I think it's just like, I don't know if it's that the tour failed to evolve. I think it's just an exposing the weakness in the model overall because like the schedule being bloated, it's almost kind of like had the opposite effect, I think to what you're saying though, because if they had less events, guys would be like, oh,

you're not putting up enough events for us. We need, we're going to go play elsewhere. Like you put nothing up in the fall. Like, of course, we're going to go play this series in the fall, like they're putting up all this money. So it almost is, but are they spreading themselves too thin at the, at the behest of the, you know, 75 through 150 guys versus, you know, catering to the guys that are bringing in the cash. And I guess that's the thing we're like favorites.

And yeah, and why doesn't the PJ tour seed the fall, you know, let, let somebody else put on a fall event series. Like that's not their new way. That's not their mandate Like that's not what they're talking about, but it's CC's point like I guess the mandate You know seems at odds with With the incentives of of the top 10 to 15 Players in the world So it's their job to square that I guess and I think it, I don't think it's an either or though, right? Like I,

all right, 100 million percent agree. There are flaws in the model for the, of the PGA tour and especially how that trickles down to golf fans. Holy shit. Could that be improved as well. We've been screaming about for as long as these mics have been recording. The on the other, I don't think it's necessarily on the other side of that. Well, it's the Saudi golf league, right? Because we have a third player in this, in this, which we're going to talk so about, which is like the premier golf league, which is talking about, yes, ciph, you know, cutting off the league below 50 guys and being a very different

structure, but also totally revamping things to have an 18 event series that features these top players that now is now longer uploaded schedule. You have 23, 24 weeks a year. You need to care about golf instead of 42, whatever it is. Like it, it just seems like there is, there is this horrible option over here, which, you know, for, if we're, you know, we're talking about the human rights issues, if we're talking about the purpose of that league and how I ultimately think it's going to play out. Like the Saudi golf league is a horrible option for fans and for sports in general. And then also like a relatively an option that's been very, very good to allow these guys for a long period of time. And of course can improve, but with the shackles that they have on it, I don't think it's going to tangibly change. Option three, though,

is the what if they want to unlock all a ton of money coming into these top players. And I think make it a lot more interesting for fans. That is where my attention goes. Is that flawless? Are they handling things very well? We can talk about some of that. I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. I definitely don't agree with the entire four-metallic. I don't agree with every decision they make. But I think that's our best chance at having interesting golf to watch. Rainier, at your point, I think there's a certain thing to be said of like at some point, does the week to week matter? Right? Like we don't really care about these events that much as it is right now.

So who cares whether you know whether they're playing for the PGA tour of the size as long as they're all popping up at the majors now if it affects the majors, you know, in a bad way, that sucks. It could affect the majors in a good way where that's the only time everybody's getting together. And then it's like holy shit, this is going to be really interesting. The two things on the PGA tour front I think that are interesting or that are kind of calling me right now is if Monahan's going to Washington and is going to lobby

you know or get the horses in the back with congressional guys and try to you know try to get some some anti-trust stuff squared away or whatever, that to me feels, a, like, because, like, the lawsuits are gonna start flying in the next, say, like when's the Portland events supposed to be? It's opposite, John Deere. Okay, so the, so the lawsuits are gonna start flying

in the next three to four weeks then, because the first event I assume they're gonna give a lot of releases for that one. The second one they're not going to. They will have to do it. They had the releases have to be filed within 45 days of the start day of the tournament. And the tour has to give notice within 30 days, about 4 30 days. So I would assume that he's going to go and say, hey, you know what, Congressman from Iowa

or Congressman from Texas, like you like having your PGA tour event in town. Do you want that to continue? Now, my thought would be like, there's no guarantee that continues either way, right? Because the schedule is so damn bloated anyway. And then B, the tours had like, wasn't that the whole point of the WGC's? It was to like take care of these top players

and the FedEx cup and like all this bullshit that they've strapped on and Bolts it on to the schedule and to the entire ecosystem and like it just shows like how fucking incapable they are of like Formulating anything remotely interesting like we're in year what we're in year 15 of the FedEx cup, but that's what bothers me about the the play like it's designed for to funnel money to the players Right, so then the players are the ones upset about this not being enough and going and running. That's where I'm like, dude, fuck this. Like, you guys are, this system is kind of taking advantage of the golf fan as it is right

now. And it's only going to make things worse. And I think you're under selling a little bit of like watching PJ tour golf. Like there are weeks that pop up that are like sevens out of 10 and eight out of 10. They're unexpected. There's about 20. There's about 20 weeks a year. They're really good. And but like that is going to diminish greatly into like if all of a sudden let's say Scottsdale becomes like the Mexican open in terms of field and buzz around it like that is a huge loss for the PGA tour calendar and just for the sports calendar in general in In general, yes. And that's what that's why I'm taking PGA tour golf over the Saudi golf league yet.

Do I think they can restructure everything? And you know, like it would be such a lot of rest of the conversation. Go ahead. Go ahead. Without viable threats and without a true alternative, I don't think the PGA is ever going to make the necessary changes that they're going to make over a long run. So I almost think from a PGA tour fans perspective and what this will do week for week, yeah,

we might, it might suck a little bit in the shorter term, but I'm also pretty confident they'll, they'll do what they have to, to come back stronger in the longer run, which I think is, is probably a good thing. I think I mean, but on left thinking, all right, we're two years down the line over two years down the line of this initial, you know, of it being public who knows how how long they knew about it prior to that even. And like what have they done? They've talked about some silly season team event and basically doing away with the fall series. And then they've got the strategic alliance

that they haven't done shit with yet, except for the Scottish open and the Barakuda and a couple other co-sanctioned events. And it's like guys, like, come on, give us some ideas, like shit or get off the pot here. Let's move a little bit quicker. Be a little bit more dynamic, you know? Like they've been coalescing and breathing down hot here, let's move a little bit quicker, be a little bit more dynamic, you know, like they're,

they've been coalescing and breathing down their neck for the last year, third leg Greg, and they're just, you know, and they haven't done shit. And now he's going to Congress, and to me, that's a sign of weakness, right? It's saying, hey, like the barbarians are at the gate, and we don't really have the answers. Yeah, I don't know if it is weakness

or if it is a strength move or if it does solidify their monopolistic hold that they have on competitive golf in North America. I really don't know the purpose of it yet. I just keep falling back on like, how much different this whole conversation would be if I thought like the Saudi golf league or whatever the opposing golf League was gonna be,

was designed well for fans. Even like, we don't know where it's gonna be on fucking television yet. Like, or if it's even gonna be on television. Exactly, like the whole thing is so crazy rushed and it's, I just think it's gonna be a terrible, terrible product. And for that, I'm like, dude, I do not wanna see

guys that I've rooted for in any capacity, like a run and go do that. Like I think that makes call super shitty. And- Unless it's just the baddies. If it's just the baddies, and that's different, but I think it's, like this first couple of weeks is I think are gonna go poorly, that's almost a guarantee,

and there's gonna be dancing on the grave of it, and like that, I- These are not going away. We should not dance on the grave, because every time that this, these checks start getting paid out, more and more people are going to be interested in it. Do I think it's sustainable?

Do I think this thing has a chance to last many, many years? Do I think has a chance like turn-to-profit? I don't understand how that model possibly could turn a profit because it's- That's not the point, right? It's like, yeah, it's not, but like, you know, it is an invest, yeah, I don't think it is the point, but at some point, you would expect that they would need to reach

their internal rate of return, which is 15, the expected IRR is 15% for the public investment fund. Like, they're gonna want some return on this investment. At some point, right? I don't know. But at some point, isn't the whole point to basically normalize business there? And so it's, you know so that 15% return can manifest itself

in a lot of different ways. Right. I think also, just from the perspective of the Saudis, you're not dealing with a logical business entity here, right? That's why it's gonna fail. Totally, yeah. That's what I'm bad at.

It's kind of wild for like the tour to, you know, like, like John Hogan had an article in golf digest today about contrasting the different ways in which the PJ tour and the DP World Tour, the dude perfect tour, are have kind of fought against the Saudis here and how much more precarious of a position the European tour is, you know, even with the strategic alliance and everything. That was the, in that article was the first actually applicable use of the word hypocritical. Like the first correct usage of that in all of this Saudi golf talk. It's what people, you know, they try to do the what aboutism, call everyone hypocrites when

it comes to it. But they did say like the D.P. World Tour sanctioned the Saudi international for three years and then now saying it's taboo. That is a hand up example of like, yes, European tour has been, has kind of made their own bed when it comes to this and they're on a very different footing in the P.G. I will say the best thing that the best thing that they could have done, the European Tour, would have been to partner with the rain group from the start and be this other entity. Because otherwise they have no fucking juice at all. Like they don't have any money. They have like props to them for, for, you know, a good schedule. Like the last couple of years of like

playing tournaments and everything like that. But there's no, you know, all the best players are playing in America anyway. There's just like they don't have a pension fund. There's just so many problems with it. And going from four to five years in between hosting a home rider cup where they make all their money, can not have been good for their finances. I know they got a cash influx from the PGA tour, but Randy, what were you going to say? I was just going to say, you know, if God, all this has been been flavored. So I'm sorry. But as far as simply partnering with Saudi Arabia, that's where as a citizen of the United States, it feels a little hypocritical

to get mad at people for going into a partnership with Saudi Arabia or an entity from Saudi Arabia. Because I mean, look at what our government has been doing for 20 plus years and so that's not like it's it's shitty but that's not the source of my anger. Like I get more upset just with these players for just very transparently wanting the money and

then telling us it's about not wanting the money. Just be up front with us and say, listen, it's a ton of money and that's what I'm going to do it for. Instead of giving us the grow of the game and all the BS that comes with it, I think that's where that's where I get upset. But there's a certain baseline point where it's like, yo, I mean our government's partnering with Saudi Arabia. They're an ally of ours. point where it's like, yo, I mean, our government's partnering with Saudi Arabia. They're an ally of ours. And so it's hard for me to like blame the European tour for sanctioning events, Saudi Arabia, or I don't know. I feel like we kind of lose side of that a little bit. My counter to that would be like, hey, I'll put a hand up right here. Please do not anyone

think that I will swear off on 100% of the things the United States government does. Like that's what everyone keeps wanting to like, like throw that at us and I'm like, dude, I don't think we should have relations with Saudi Arabia. I guarantee it's way more complicated than that and not that simple, but I still think that there is so much noise between like going and taking money from them to say great things about them.

That's what it's all for. Like it's so different than that versus like, oh, Saudi Arabia invests in Twitter. You use Twitter blah, blah, blah. Saudi Arabia invests in FedEx. FedEx is a huge sponsor of the tour. Do I just hope people really understand how vast the gap is between like going and singing the praises of this country, like taking money to sing the praises. Like, he and Bryson going to us to a elementary school and saying, like, oh my God, like, look at the progress and all this stuff.

Versus like money invested publicly, you know, in public companies and things like that and government interactions and all this stuff. Like the PGA tour is also not like a product of the US government directly and they don't go around being like, look, you know, it's not apples to apples my point. Plus, you're feeding the what about is in Randy and it makes me nervous. No, no, we get a lot of military appreciation.

There's some. The more you peel back, I'm just saying it's not as clean as I think sometimes it's presented. Oh, that's totally fair. I also think, you know, people say, Hey, why aren't the ladies playing in the Ramco series getting any shit? That's, you know, that's, that's a good point, right? Like, and it's different circumstances and different context. And, but at the end of the day, like, that's a good point. I acknowledge it, right? It's not, it's not clean. And, uh, one of my big problems is just third leg Greg. I think, the guy seems like a fucking buffoon. Of course. Of course. But it's so representative of the whole situation, I think.

Yeah, if I just felt like any of this was about the golf. Right. That's where it's come from being a sports fan is the crux of all of it, I think. Yeah, it's like, you know what, I could sit here and be like, you know what, let's see how it goes and down it out of the, these are bad guys, but it's good for the game.

And how like it's just, I just don't feel like the golf is going to be very good. No. And that's a very valid point. And that's, that's well taken purely from like, is this great for the game of golf? I totally acknowledge that the product that none of this really advances competitive tour golf for golf fans. It doesn't seem like. So I So I very much acknowledge that. We got to talk about another incident this week, but before we do that, there has been a lot of great golf played for 125 years, even at the Pinehurst Resort. It's been the

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And plan number three, too. Yes. This one was especially like, God, you're just an asshole this week. You know, in front of cameras playing on PGA tour live, Sergio hits a bad drive on what the 10th hole way left into the shit into the red, the penalty area. That's the Sun Kang hole, too. That's the Sun Kang hole too. It is the Sun Kang hole and goes to go look for the ball. And in the process has to I spotter tell some where it is.

And we find this out later. Spotter tells him where he is. So he has to go all the way around the creek, creek finds the ball of rules official. Inter's into the conversation, you know, was was far away, but was timing Sergio as he was hunting for his ball and comes up and tells him that he'd taken too long for the search. Essentially, it's taken four and a half minutes. He said he started the clock. Eventually, a rule, a statement comes out, Sergio takes issues with it.

A statement comes out later that night saying that the rules official did in fact make a mistake. And as that happened, Sergio challenges the rules official on this in the video says something along and you know, tells them like, Hey, I didn't start the search until I got to the other side of the creek. They told me that and the rules official says something like, well, that would change things right here, but Sergio has already lost his shit. And he's like, so you're saying, I took too long. You're saying I took too long and then picks up the ball and says to the guy, I can't wait

to leave this tour. I cannot wait to get out of here. And something in it. Three more weeks. The next more, yeah, the only a few more weeks and I'm done with you guys or something like that. There's just like, just what an unbelievable asshole move. Like the microphones and cameras are right there.

You, one million percent know this is going to get picked up and just resting on this idea that like, yeah, it's the PGA tour rules officials that are driving me away from this tour. This is what the Saudis are gonna get right. Oh, by the way, the Saudis hired the overarching PGA tour rules official slugger white to be their head of rules, right? I mean, you can't make it up. Yeah, are they gonna enforce the rules

of golf differently? I don't get that. I love the whole incident. It's, you know, golfers want to be athletes. They want to be, you know, having a good rules dispute with the official is great. It seemed like kind of whiny and some of Sergio's old tendencies creeping up though. A rules debate is fine. He was on the right side.

Like the ruling, the rules official got it wrong. So I'm with him on that. What I'm not with him on this is the first statement we have of this. If anyone making a statement like, I cannot wait to be done with this tour, right? He's the only one to say that. Yeah, he's got senioritis.

Can't wait to get to what's next. Or maybe he's playing colonial, and he's just pumped to get, or like he's, he's playing, he's playing Colonially, he's just pumped to get or like he's he's playing he's playing 18C by Reynolds and he's playing Charles Schwab challenge. He just wants to get back to Texas. He's not, you know, he's he's a Texas guy through and through, right? Big text. If you're going to do that, you got to speak with media

afterward, any bypass media afterward. Yeah, it hasn't spoken to you yet. That's that shit. It's such a bitch move. It's incredible. It is very much like every now, it felt like for a long time there, we were really trying to convince ourselves that Sergio had matured and was passed all this shit and we're able to look past his past transgressions and he just keeps raising the bar. This is the same guy that got disqualified in Saudi Arabia for attacking a bunker

and several, he dis, he, he dismembered like five greens or something like that. And was, right. There's an alleged quote that he said about what, what should be done with the bunkers there that I won't share that has not made the public airwaves yet. But it was possibly another reason why he, why he, why he, yeah, what, what should be done with those which yeah it's it was horrific so these guys these guys might just be you know don't don't have these guys as your own mom not a hero these guys raise your kids you know these are these might be some bad guys not a hero despite the years and years and years of of every marketing initiative by the years and years and years of, of every marketing initiative by the tour to tell these guys are good. These guys are bad clean cut. All American guys. These, these guys are

Lee Westwood gave an interview this week. Jamie Weir asked him a lot of questions about what's coming up in his, you know, desire to play. He says in the, in the, in the live, got the first live golf event. He's like, I love playing in England says blah, blah, blah. And when asked about, you know, some of the controversy around it, he said, you know, about Saudi Arabia, he says, there's a formula one race there. Newcastle is partly owned by people from Saudi Arabia. That's been a big problem. There's been boxing fights there. I think there's snooker and darts there. I think Saudi Arabia are obviously they've got issues. I think lots of countries around the world have got issues. And I think they are trying

to improve. They are trying to do it through sports. A lot of places in countries do. I think they're doing a lot quicker than some countries are trying to do it. And that maybe worries people or that scares people because people don't like change, do they? Buddy, I don't think that's what's scary in people. But they like continuity and things to stay the same. He also added I'm an independent contractor and I work for myself. It's my job and I have to do what's right for me. So that, going back to what I said earlier, He also added, I'm an independent contractor and I work for myself, it's my job and I have to do what's right for me.

So that, going back to what I said earlier, just lead with that. I'm an independent contractor, I'm gonna make way more money over there and that's why I'm going. Yes, cool. Like, not a politician. We can agree or disagree on if I would do that if I was in your position,

but at least you're just shooting us straight. You can leave all the other stuff, you know, don't even worry about all the other stuff. I love how you like actually explain sports washing though. Like he thinks he's like giving a really good explanation because like, no, no, they're like trying to change it. Like giving the perception that they're changing through sport. Like that's what they're doing.

They're doing it quick. You guys just scared of all the change. That's what's the issue here. They're playing snooker and darker. Come on I my guy Michael van Groen's going Trying to get the nine daughter this Martin Kymers also confirmed as the other world number one that is seeking a release to play in the lift golf so question for you guys let's say

a female Golfer and LPGA player one of the best players in the world. Let's say, this is a complete hypothetical. I'm just going to draw a name out of hat. Let's say Nelly Corda, who is back and forth, probably the most marketable female golfer in the world right now, outside of Korea, put in an application to play in the Centurion event in London. Do you think A, do you think the Saudis would,

or live golf, do you think they would accept that? B, do you think, you know, if she played well and wanted to keep playing? Do you think that that would be amenable to them? I think that's a very interesting thought, because somebody, somebody posed that question maybe a Twitter DM. I would think that that would be a dream for them.

Like, look, we have a woman playing. Look how much change we have going on over here. Maybe we're given him ideas. Yeah, God. Because it sounds like they've also signed or they're on the verge of signing some up and comers, some really, really good collegiate players to NIL deals. Basically, that's what we've been saying.

Like, you're like, why don't they just do this? And we've kind of built sustainably from the ground up instead of just hollering at all these, past their primal dudes. And where I'll join you Randy and like kind of losing my enthusiasm to be aggrieved is like the pros that they kind of fill the field with. I'm kind of like, dude, yeah,

it just like doesn't really register for me. Like I do care. Yeah, do I really care about, do I think that much less of Robert Gargis going to go play? No, I just don't really care. Like, do I think less of like a legend like Phil Mickelson, who I've followed my entire career and have, you know, rooted for like doing what I think is quite clearly obnoxiously being greedy and chasing money, like truly solace money and making me lose my love for following golf.

Yeah, I think about that very definitely than I do, Garagas. And that's fair. And I don't even, I tend to agree with you. I mean, that was my thing with Phil was like, man, PGA Tour has been really good to you and you got boat loads of fans that, you know, it was shitty when he started

skipping the waste management. Yeah. Phoenix to go over and play in Saudi Arabia. I mean, that was, that, that's so shitty. Uh, so I, I don't disagree with that. There's no views of the Red Sea in Scottsdale though. I, I think, Trond, to your point about Nelly, I kind of agree with Sali.

I, you know, I don't know if it's in their bylaws that it's like male only. So I, I don't know if it's even feasible, but they're making this up as they got They can try to know they have bylaws. I think they'd almost yeah like You know Trumpeter as like yeah, you know got look at how progressive we are, you know Binger one rules ask will fill decline or have to speak in the press conference prior to the PGA If he speaks do you think he is as usual confidence smartest guy in the room self or more truly remorseful.

This is assuming that Phil does play in the PGA. Seth Waw was on Gary Williams' five clubs podcast and gave a pretty wide-ranging answer on this and basically said, hey, we've talked a lot about this. We've thought a lot about it. It needs to be early in the week. So it doesn't make the golf a side show on Friday, on Thursday, Friday. Yeah. So yeah, I would imagine that if he does play, it's going to be a big to do on as early as possible in the week

and then try to get it out of the way. Yeah, I think feels, feels got, why would have said prior to like the last however many months he's got very good political instincts. I think there's going to be a very you know, earnest meoculpa at some point. Now he still might go play in the live events. You know, he might try to explain go play in those. There's his reasoning, but I, I, I, I would almost be surprised. If at some point there's not something like that, I feel like he, he can't afford not to go play live events. He has, well, he lost his sponsors.

Yeah. I mean, he's not, he's not once been apologetic at all about siding with live other than calling them scary motherfuckers like in his statement, he was, uh, double down. He was, yeah. So I think that's a virtual lock. But yeah, I would be shocking if he didn't play the PGA. I think we can expect to see him. I know inside in film that at all, but like he's going to be there.

Somebody was asking me if they thought they're like, Hey, looking back on his career. Do you think it wing foot? He did that on purpose. And you know what? Like I was like, that's insane. But then the more I thought about it, I'm like, that's insane. But then the more I thought about it, I'm like, that is insane. Like, Phil might be insane.

And like the gambling debt seems like it's so far out of control of it. I've read Alan Shipnuck's book. We're gonna have Alan on the podcast this coming week as well. And the gambling thing is, it's not fun. Like it's weird how much, I won't spoil any of the stories.

We're gonna talk a lot about him. But like again, just like obsessive he is about like proving how smart he is and when it's just so, so foolish. Like the Billy Walter stuff, like Billy Walter is an expert expert gambler and they win in a lot of bets together and like Phil would also make like side bets that Billy would not sign off on and like have to pay bill

That's like where the whole dean foods thing started from was like Phil was making side bets that Billy's like no I don't want to make that bet and owed Billy the money on it like he's just like a he's just a psychopath man At some point like why didn't why didn't the soddies just have Phil run this whole thing instead of bringing in Greg? That's a interesting that's a question. I love the players like Greg And like I know a lot of players don't like Phil, but like that seems like kind of a You know both things are equal on that regard. Maybe he could still be a future commissioner I mean Greg didn't last very long as an analyst with Fox. I don't know how long he's gonna last in this deal

Maybe Phil is a future commissioner of golf. Can you imagine that? Like, but didn't like, honestly, it would actually, I would get more excited because Phil is so outrageous, but he, at the other day, Phil also like knows golf and he knows entertainment and all that, where it's like Whereas I don't get the sense that Greg Norman just knows like Greg Norman. Yes.

The last of the news around the rival golf leagues this week, a letter was sent from the premier golf league world. Telegram world golf group limited to the PGA tour voting members a call to action. Do you guys want me to read it? Does it make sense to go through it all or a summary of it? I it make sense to go through it all or a summary of it? I think you can read the high points. So it's tough. Let me just say I thought it was tough. It starts with your profession is approaching an historic crossroads the international series funded and known by live golf investments represents an existential threat not only to the PGA towards dominance, but also its model. Change is not only inevitable, it is happening,

and no amount of purse rejigging, headbearing, band threatening, alliance making, or moving on will derail it. I agree with all that. Yes. Like totally, you know, kosher. Lives superb format, based on our very own original PGL format. Don't agree with that.

Is capable of generating $10 billion of equity value. Hence, live is prepared to spend $400 million to demonstrate the brilliance of the model across eight events. I don't quite buy into that because I don't think it's apples to, I don't think live is throwing a ton of money at it because it makes financial sense for them. I don't think they have the players to back that. And I think in this, in the PGL's theory, they have the players to market to make it $10 billion.

Yeah, we're looking at business venture here versus something other than a business venture. The PGL is not just for the feted few, but all of golf. It is also just as capable of generating $10 billion of value. So as a PGA tour voting member, you have two options. You could, a, own 50% of the PGL and make $20 million each, $2 million up front, with a further $1 billion of value to be shared between members of the corn fairy and DP world tours, or you could, b, do nothing and leave live to generate that value while the two oldest tours contemplate a full merger that would serve neither membership.

I mean, those are the two options, right? Our letter to the policy board set out how well, what do I guess? What if they aren't the only two options? And what if there's not really 10 billion in value to be created? Well, that one, we're going to get to that. That would be something you would want to know the answer to, right, Randy? I'm glad you asked that. Oh, of course.

Our letter to the policy board set out how you and your fellow voting members could own 50% of the PGL, which would operate under PGA tour inks existing umbrella alongside its other tours. No releases will be required to play PGL events. The policy board has, however, refused to discuss our proposals. Based on a presentation by Alan and Co, it disputes the PGA's ability to generate 10 billion dollars of value. As Roy McElroy recently messaged, we had Alan and company present to the board in Orlando about the PGL proposal. They don't think 10 billion by 2030 is feasible at all.

They said you need to create 20 rider cups a year from now until then to get to that number. In the corporate finance world, this is technically known as bullshit. But then again, Alan and Co has never spoken to us nor had access to the information it would require in order to produce an accurate valuation. Any thoughts ready to this point? Well, you tell me you're a former auditor. You worked in public accounting. I set aside what I mean, what what are your instincts tell you with all of this? I I was very intrigued by your tweet this week by saying your instincts,

every fiber of your being, I believe was the quote that says that you, you're that you, you believe Alan and Co in this regard, which honestly makes a lot of sense for your auditing career, right? Because you didn't actually go to any clients. And but why why Alan and Co is is a third party brought in by by the board to essentially, you know, hey, put some numbers to this. Tell us what you think is this even feasible. And obviously Alan and Co came back and said, we think it's pretty much. you know, hey, put some numbers to this. Tell us what you think. Is this even feasible? And obviously, Alan and Koch came back and said, we think it's pretty much not possible.

But it also feels a little bit like rubber stamped, right? Brandy, here's a big... But what's there incentive to rubber stamped? I guess that's what I'm getting at. The PJT board? The whole incentive would be to be like, this is a brilliant idea. Well, Brandy, a big issue here is, if you are Alan and Co, you need to see the model.

Like you have to see the model to judge if it's viable. And they have not seen the model. I did this for nine years. I was an auditor granted in a very different regard. I added financial public, you know, public financial statements. But to do that, to audit a company's numbers, to dig in, you have to ask probing questions about the inputs about You know what what they're presenting how they're reaching these certain things like it is a it is a a

Arduous process to go about auditing something in the first step is you need to get the numbers You need to see it. I think it lets me very hold on. Let's be very clear that this is not a business. They're auditing This is an idea that there's a model given credence to. So I think Alan and Co presumably very smart people work there. I mean, they can set parameters for certain inputs. I mean, we're talking about like projections here. That's why I'm like, you don't,

there's no like nitty gritty actual data to dive into. Yes, there is. Have you not, have we sent you the financials? Have you not seen it? And I don't agree with any of them. I guess that's what I get back to is, I mean, we've talked about what they're valuing these teams at and I think it's ridiculous.

So like how they've gone about putting together the advertising model, right? It comes, it is signed off on or modeled with the input of the actual media buyers, right? They've met with media buyers to put together these numbers to say, like, hey, this is what we are thinking here. No, that's worth this. No, it's worth, no, it's less than that blah, blah, blah.

That is where it kind of turned, because when we initially started this conversation, it was like, all right, I don't have no idea where this template comes from. Like, they showed us where it comes from. Like, I don't have no idea where this 10 billion comes from. They showed us where it comes from. Like, I don't know whether or not it's right. I truly don't, but gosh, that really makes sense. If you're talking this, this, this, and this,

and this, it was, it actually, if you asked them, they think this number is actually pretty conservative. That's my other thing too, is if it's not 10 billion, if it's 5 billion, or 6 billion, that's true. To me, it's still compelling. Yes. And I think, and it's not 10 billion, if it's 5 billion or 6 billion, that's to me, it's still compelling. Yes. Right. And I think, and it's like, if that, you know, if it can create that sort of value, then

that means to me that like the fans, like fans are engaged and it's, it's a good model. The best players are playing. Everything's kind of unified under this. Like, it's just seems, to me, it seems a hell of a lot cleaner. To me, it's like with Alan and Co, what's their motivation? I think their motivation in this case is like, to cash a big fucking check from the tour for not doing a whole lot, right?

Like they were brought in by the tour to basically say, hey, tell it like, give us plausible deniability that this is a shitty option here. And so that, so that, so that players know, like the plate. No, the players, the board of the tour is not the players. Correct. This isn't like the policy board. This is like the board of directors of the PGA tour, which is, you know, it's J.

Four players, but five like Randall Stevenson and like, just some, some, you know, random business. But it has players on it. It has four players on it, correct? Yeah. So, I mean, presumably if they thought they were getting railroaded, I mean, they would raise a stink about it. But you think that, and firm, I think that Jay and company

could just say, hey, like, like, like, work the back and say, hey, Al and co, like, give us something to present to our player directors here that shows that this is not a viable alternative. Randy, originally my instincts, when they said it's worth 10 billion, that's bullshit. When I first saw that, that was my instinct. I think that's a lot of people's instinct. I don't even know if it is. But the point being, at least have the entire point of the world golf group is like,

hey, have a conversation with us about it. Let's talk about some of these inputs. What are we wrong about? I'm happy to revisit this if we are wrong about this. That's what they're asking for as a seat at the table to say like, if you're gonna stand up and say without looking, talking to them, this is not feasible, that seems irresponsible.

If that's the truth, would you agree with that? I don't understand why you have to invite this group to your table. What's the intellectual property here? If it's such, and that's where Andy has been like, well, I just want what's best for the game. And if it's, if the PJ tour just wants to use it and run with it great, I, I just, every fire of my being is like, these guys, why would the tour one

to invite in an outside group and split equity with them and do all this it just doesn't make But sense to me like these are very smart business people both Involved in the tour and their consultants and everything it just I am not persuaded by the PGL's pitch I guess I also just think that like at some point the tour the, the tours responsibility to the players. And if, if they're not at least going to, like, and basically J, J's responsibility is seemingly to the status quo. That's, that honestly, that's what gets me. I see, I see what you just said as an enormous hurdle.

And Andy and I talked about that on the podcast. I was like, do you see this big as big of a, and he had been, is like, yes, of course I do. That's what the purpose of this letter. And I think it could have been commuted way better. Communicated way better. I think you're drawing way too much. You're drawn attention to the the worst stuff by saying actually saying bullshit in here. Like the letter stinks. The letter is not. This is not the

way to do this. Like if you're asking players to tweet this, not one player is going to tweet this. Like that, that's not going to work. But the, the point is getting this message to the players. Like there is is a possible, like, obviously people are interested in running to this live golf thing and running into a huge pile of money. Like, that is the case. The people that aren't interested in it, probably for a big part of the reason would be the Saudi ties and, you know, the issues they're going to have with their sponsors and all the many reasons not to do it.

What if there is a third alternative option that involves you not needing releases to go play these tournaments, wouldn't you as the players want to hear about this? And that's why the the the tour board being like not even and entertaining it and not even Rory said this on the podcast. Like if you're going to have, you know, as my role as player director, you're yet you have Andy on here talking about this. Don't you don't you at least have to listen and they're not willing to listen. That's the part that is an issue or or even acknowledge that they like they've never once public news. I know there's issues if you publicly acknowledge it and all that, but at some point like that's

where that's what I was saying earlier in the pod like at some point like the rubber the rubber is going to meet the road here and this shit's happening. Like one way or another and there's like in some ways like this could be the lesser of two evils and you never even evaluated it. Or they obviously feel like they did. And it's how do you do that with not talking to them? No, like that's what blows my mind though. How do you how do you evaluate it without like understanding the inputs or talking about the vision in any way?

Well, I think you can get pretty close to the inputs. I guess I would, I just don't know what you're necessarily going to glean that a room full of smart people can't move into on their own. Like part of the problem too is if they do talk to them, then it's Jay and the entire establishment at the PGA tour, signaling to their members that hey, we've done a shitty job of monetizing this.

And we've done a huge, huge thing. It's them admitting vast amounts of weakness and saying, hey, we haven't done right by you guys as far as we're costing you money't done right by you guys as far as we're costing you money. Or, and our model is broken. Yes. Our model is inhibiting us from doing this.

That is a huge, enormous hurdle to clear. That's why they're trying to bypass the decision-makers here to say, like, players, do you want to hear this? If, like, if that's the case, you can kick us out of the room if you don't like what we have to say. Like, there's no harm in that, but you gotta let us get to the table, at least, like, let us present it.

Because part of it, too, is they've been, like, they've taken this to all the agencies. They've taken it to all of them and talked to all of them and all the agencies are like, yo, this makes sense. Like, that's where they got all the inputs. From all the agencies that are putting on these tournaments anyway.

Yeah. I think also it's just, it's one of those things where a part of me wishes that Shipnock wouldn't have released the Phil stuff until after these guys were out on the limb. Because I mean, even Greg Norman quotes this week, we're like, hey, like we had, guys got jittery after that.

Like we had stuff ready to roll. Like we were gonna announce stuff after, like Genesis week, everything was like, Hey, like we had guys got jittery after that. Like we had we had stuff ready to roll. Like we're going to announce stuff after like Genesis week, everything was happening, right? And then, you know, it was kind of backtracking after that. And it seems like, you know, I would be very curious to know like where we'd be sitting today, if ship luck would have waited another four, six, eight weeks to release that stuff. And to the many people that are saying, like PGL is just desperate, 100 million percent, like quite obvious, like they're just like, they're trying to, you're outside the conference room, like waving their hands, like please somebody,

pay attention here, they are, like, the shit is happening. Like the live stuff is going right now, like if you're not gonna get their attention now, then you might not ever. So why not make a hell of a deal? Because they've been taking the patient play, patient strategy for the last two years. And it's like, oh shit, that didn't work.

We got caught with our pants down here. We've got a scramble. Yeah. I would have communicated it very differently than this. So what's the fallout? What would, like, you know, callin' out Rory by name, what, like, like that can't make this very happy. I don't think that's good.

Yeah, exactly. I don't think that's good. Um, I maybe, maybe, maybe the situation's not as urgent as they're letting on or, you know, insinuating and maybe that's a mistake, uh, to, to give off this air of desperation. Uh, I don't know. Uh, it's, I don't know what I would do differently though. If you, if you feel like you're extremely confident in, in this idea and in this concept, and you just, I can't get somebody to listen to it, I don't

know what else I would do. I would obviously word the letter differently, but I would follow the steps that they have been following up to this point. And I don't know what I would have done on this, on this, in this occasion. Let's just game this out. Like, let's say these lawsuits start flying around. Guys get it, you know, temporary, I don't know what you call it, in junction or a straining order to be able to go play in the Portland event. And basically the tour, the tour's biggest piece of leverage is completely defanged. And they can't use that. And as many guys as want to go play in these eight events

can go play in these. These these eight events seem like the floodgates are open at that point. And we've entered into like an entirely new world of golf. Yeah. It's going to be a weird, weird summer. It's going to be exhausting. I'm tired as it is. Anything else you want to say to rap, Randy? No, I still stand with Alan in company. I've seen so many bullshit economic projections of 4K at Sid and I just cannot escape my skepticism. I'm just here talking about golf guys. Enough of the politics. Anything else from the world of golf? We have a DP World tour. Yeah. How about the Thunder Bear, the piss bear as the shotgun star guys call him? I can't laugh about that. Torbjorn. Gosh. I mean, he finishes, I guess yesterday he finished

the birdie eagle and then he finished birdie. Sorry, Eagle birdie. Then he finished birdie. Eagle birdie today. Eagle birdie again today. to win. I was gutted because Richie Ramsey doubled the double the 72nd hole to ostensibly lose by one, but then it ended up being losing by two Sebastian Soderberg was going to get absolutely crowned. The Belfry stinks though. I just had to get that out there. Places, places it bleak. Thank you, TC. Thank you. Backside. That was that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal.

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I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. I think that's a big deal. It was over on not too exciting of a match or of a race. Max won from third place at the start, though he beat Carlos signs off the line and then overtook Chalucla and there was a late crash that caused some decent racing there near the end, but it was it was Max's Max's asserting himself and he's got a lot of time to make up the gap to first place and it looks like red Bull. It's Red Bull Ferrari show this year. It's it's not going to be Mercedes. So

exciting. My guys at Alpha Tari bad day for them 12th and DNF. McLaren struggling to Zach Brown van is we didn't do this claim yet because we still got a little bit of golf we got to talk about. Okay. That one part goes at the very end when people are going to shut us off. But we got to we haven't done one of these in a little bit of golf we got to talk about. That one part goes at the very end, and people are going to shut us off. But we haven't done one of these in a little while. We've done these kind of monthly, what's in the bag segments here? We've been waiting for the right opportunity

to finally get into this. But we've mentioned it a lot in passing, but TC and I both have the U-Wood, the Callaway U-Wood in the bag. Can you describe this club for those that maybe have not seen it and what you like about it? Oh my gosh, it's so clean looking. First of all, what is it?

What's a you would? It's a utility, Apex utility would. It's like if a five wood and a hybrid had a baby. It's not true. And it just, I don't know what, I can't explain it. It's just, I didn't really understand it before I got it I've got the 19 degree the first time I hit it was on the The third hole the positive tempo fourth hole the third hole. Yeah third hole

powerful. I hit it to like you know like one of the Best like 230 yard shots. I've hit in a long time and I'm like holy shit. This thing's awesome and then Almost made an albatross with it later in the round and then brought it to Scotland and like almost took, like I took my utility iron out of the bag. I took my foreign out of the bag. I can saw it off from 210 and I can juice it to 240. And it stops on a dime. It's crazy.

That's what, you know, we've used a lot of the, I think I've gone maybe four different routes trying to close the gap between three wood and four iron. I've tried a five wood. I've tried an 18 degree driving iron. I've tried a 21 degree driving iron. This is the first club I've been able to put in between that gap that has been able to like the two the long par threes or going for par fives into I could never hold the green with the 18 degree driving iron. I could smoke one and run one up to one, but I can't land something on and hold the green. The five wood honestly was going like really far for me. I just couldn't get that one up to one, but I can't land something on and hold the green. The five wood honestly was going really far for me. I just couldn't get that gap to work right.

And I have the 21 degree you would, I put an order in for even lower lofts because I want to kind of experiment a little bit with kind of hitting them off the tee a little bit more. I might put two in the bag. I might do a 17 and a 21. Prevacator. Because now I can hit it, like you said,

I can hit it from like two 15 or if I need to gas one. I hit a shot at old McDonald that I just never had in my bag before. I had like two, 46, a little bit of downwind, had to cover a bunker and hold the green on a firm green on a par five. And I just shot this thing straight up into the air. I've never been able to hit that shot and it stopped and rolled like 15 feet and held the green. And I was like, okay, I'm sold. That's all I need.

Like I finally have this, can close that gap that I've been desperately trying to close like, okay, I'm sold. That's all I need. Like, I finally have this, can close that gap that I've been desperately trying to close for, honestly, about four years. It's one of the best clubs I've ever owned. The sound on it reminds me of like the three who would I grew up playing, or like my favorite hybrid from growing up. And then like, just, like, I started shipping with it.

Like, the face doesn't feel quite as hot as like my Apex Pro 18 degree. And that one just, yeah, same thing. It just doesn't spin and it just goes and it and and this one, I get up in the air a little bit more. I can work it both ways. It's, it's just like, it's the coolest golf club I've put in the bag in like last three or four years.

Awesome. Have you tried this yet, Randy? No, but I, I saw yours out in Oregon and super intrigued by it and actually just asked our friends at Cal way if they would send me one. So I'm hoping to get my hands on one very, very shortly, but from hearing you guys talk about it and explain it and having looked at it in person, very, very excited to hit it. I'm kidding for solid tomorrow. That's right. You are so hoping locals.

If you're listening to this, we're probably on the course already. If you're listening to some Monday morning, but yeah, we got to do in the local one in Pontavigia, which is honestly never a good idea. There's so many freaking good players in this area, but tough plantation course. It doesn't take a crazy low number to get through, but it's going to take some really, really, really good golf tomorrow. And it's going to be some of that hybrid off the tee for sure. We got some conditions.

Condities, 16 miles an hour of the North North East tomorrow. So it's going to be. And that place is known for there. I've never been over there, but places know for their firm fast green. It's big greens and decently wide for a Florida course. It can maintain that kind of wind. I was setting a way of play to pressure on those. We can set and putters down and the putters like gliding on the greens. It's that kind of wind. I was setting, we played a pressure on those. We can set and putters down and the putters gliding on the greens. It's that kind of firm. They've not been putting much water on them

and I'm guessing they're gonna spice the speed up just a little bit. If the pins were where the dots were too, there's some dicey ones, some extremely dicey ones in the, getting that north with these wind going. We're gonna have to play short of a couple pins for sure. Listen, that's the house that Peter Kutcher built.

It is. Billy Ho was a big contributor, I think, in that redesign as well. So, we give Billy Ho some props? We do. I went out the Billy Ho, I forget the name of the tournament, the Billy Ho invitational or something like that, on the APGA tour, which was held here at TPC Sawgrass.

It's the biggest purse in the APGA tour. If you're not familiar with that, it's the Advocates Professional Golf Association. It's a tour designed for to give up playing opportunities to minority professional golfers. I was an 18 person field. I think the person is $160,000 or something this week, which is a record field. The winner got 40k. I think for winning Willie Mack put on a dominant performance, Bogey Free and round one. And then I think shot as 70 and round two to win it by I think four shots. I went out, watched it.

And just speaking with the people involved in the event, just Billy's investment in it. And beat sounds like the bachelor, but being there for the right reasons was the sentiment I got from pretty much everyone. And a quick story about that. So one of the guys that, you know, Billy had kind of requested to get, you know,

a certain amount of, everyone from this certain category from the tour into the field. And one of the guys didn't make it in for whatever reason. And Billy like found out about that and invited the guy on his own dime to come down for the week, put him up for the week, paid him last place money, bought him in the pro am, he ended up actually

catting in the event, but allowed him to kind of meet a lot of the sponsors involved, which is a big, purpose of the tour. And I just thought that was a fantastic story. And it turned out that the guy that he did that with was Cam Riley, who is one of our young hitters, which I had not really, I'd not heard that story from Cam's end or anything like that.

And Billy was not trying to publicize that. So for as much as we tend to kid Billy over the years, I just wanted to give a big shout out for what he's doing for the APGA because it was a fantastic experience going out there. The FOTSWASTS still stands. FOTSWASTS still stands. That's fine. I paused it for last week, though. It does definitely deserves a shout out. And I think he's going to win at Brooklyn. Well, you changed your mind once we got to the eighth green because he's going to win at Brooklyn. Well, you changed your mind once we got to the eighth green, because he's going to flip flip out at that. So that's our Brooklyn a little bit. Yeah, we can do that. Why don't we

say that? We got we got we got there's a lot of majors coming up. We got a lot of content to cover and and yeah, we got to get some rest for tomorrow. We got a big day. Do we need to acknowledge the strap boys? I think so. We got a question from DMJ VPI. What are the discussions about the Strat boys going over budget in Mertle Beach even the C-suite has to admit it was for a great cause. Randy, what do you have to say? We were trying to do a bachelor party for my boy and it was the most miserable

two days and I could sense how miserable he was He was anxious with the wedding. He was away from his bride It was two weeks before the ceremony and so I I felt like I had to do what I had to do Listen didn't think about giving us a heads up at all or No, absolutely not that was the furthest that that was Very last on my list of things. Very much an ask for forgiveness. They didn't even do that. They didn't ask for forgiveness. Well, so I will say we were we were pretty upfront with you guys about, you know, a lot of different

inflationary measures. We're trying to make it right for you. We know this is a tough environment. Yeah, he blamed us for that. Well, they made us focus too much in round one. I might used to focusing in round one. That's their fault. Yeah. No, I mean, I've never heard of, you know, the consumer price index. It's not like pegged to like performance, right? I, if you want to boost the, if we should boost the budget, we offered.

Yeah, we offered to just, you guys, we offered to boost the budget straight away. Yeah. And, you know. We offered to boost the budget straight away. Yeah. And, you know, I think it might have been a little reckless to go to a city like Charleston. That's expensive shit. And I know you stayed near the new year. Very, very. Charleston was cheapest.

That was what was crazy. Do you understand, though, like the, also the hesitancy to boost the budget when ten of the dollars went to a trying to get pro shop credit for hitting what on the green gambling on that well Those were for your gifts. So we were thinking about you in that moment and In 30 you know thirty eight dollars or forty dollars going towards cigars that you guys hate cigars And you didn't go to hooters you were good. I thought you were gonna go to hooters in North Mertle Beach Didn't we do that one here? No time.

No time. We didn't have any time for all of this stuff. We wanted to ride the Ferris wheel, but they were closed. Sounds like everything was closed. A little to that one. But no regrets. No regrets about the decision.

I stand by it. And I think the people, the people stand with us. No, I will say. I think people give Sally and I a bad us. No, I will say. I think people give, solid, and I have bad rap. The season things clearly a bit. You guys do whatever you want. It's just kind of like, now that you guys potentially might be unshackled from budgets,

that you can do all sorts of, you know, I don't know if it's strapped, I don't know if it's different series now or whatever, but hey, like maybe, like, maybe we send you, you know, up to Alaska to go, go on like a crab boat or like like a lobster or a crab boat or something like that to like earn Keep after this. I do think you should have to work for for the next one to get your budget for the next one. You guys want us to join like deadly Ascension. Yes. 100% You know what? Deadly ascatch is it's good content. It is good content. No, it was fun. Well, yeah, I can tell you it was truly spur the moment

Day one was what was way more expensive than then I had ever anticipated You know that the golf around Buford Bluffton just off Hilton. It just, you know, it's expensive. You guys should have snuck into spice bush. I know, but TC, I wanna, as an owner myself, I wanna respect it. You know, what if everybody was trying to do that? What if somebody tried to do that week 15 when I'm there?

True, what do you think? Well, no, shout out to you guys and to DJ. That was one of the better things I think we've ever put out before. I was like, I can't pretend to be Mattis. This is the greatest thing we've ever watched. It was awesome. It was so funny. The music was so perfect. The best thing is we usually have, we get to see previews of the episodes and DJ kind of tells us what happened. I knew none of it. I had absolutely no idea. And then I kind of got suspicious. I was like, oh my god, he's going to hit the mega bonus. Like that's what they've been hiding from us. And out of course ended up not being the case, but in a way, we kind of did the mega bonus.

I think we did hit the mega bonus. The mega bonus is the friends we made along the way. The mega bonus was the $1,300 you guys spent, you know, just having fun. I mean, how many beers did you guys have on the golf course? Well, I think we bought 20 DJ had some We shotgun quite a few it was it was a long day. It was a long day. I'll tell you that that course looked awesome It was it was both Sohoki and so awesome. Oh, I I would tell you to play it if you're in Myrtle Beach. The greens were fantastic. Of course it's the world tour international golf links or something. It's shit. It might be like a

live golf property. I don't know. It was, it was in great shape. I do want to say that, you know, some of the replica holes were real. In English, really turn. And Neil acting like you're going across the pond. I know. That was that was a little key. My favorite one. The winged foot east. That was great. Yes.

I am the tarman course. It's just yeah, it's kind of a beautiful disaster of a replica course. Guys, I have a surprise for you. Maximus. No. Hahaha. We were, sorry I was at a bar. We were just lamenting that you were too big to call into our show at these days.

Not too big. I just had my phone on, dude. I deserved it and see all the messages. But thank you for having me. Where are you, TGI Fridays? I'm at sports and social Bethesda. Nice. Hey nice window that. Hey, congratulations, bud. Thank you guys. How are you guys doing? We're doing okay. Let's talk about us. We're fucking amped up about about the wind,

dude. Four wind. Four. The last episode of strap. That's great. He's coming out party. DJ rock the house and it was the kids last ride. And it thank you. You know, they're making me feel bad about the decision I made at the wall, full house, but I'm glad you're rushing all time. We weren't making you feel bad. We're trying to try to dig a little bit deeper. This is why you can't be trusted, Ray.

All right, Max. Tell, all right, tell us about today. Fourth time doing this. Did it feel any different than the previous times? Different in the confidence level, like going into today and probably the whole weekend. Not so different or very different in the sense that I have typically played like a clean Sunday.

And this golf course was so hard that it just was like always going to be, you know, I get up three then be up one. And it was just, it felt like more of a grind than the other ones. But I felt like it was just the same in the sense I felt calm and comfy down the stretch. But that was the hardest, that was the hardest one for sure. That was Keegan played so good, even after a couple of missteps. And it was just, it was just kind of like trying to outlast

somebody blows and just try to, you know, kind of be a golfer at the ball in the hole. How off the face on 18 did like that drive, that thing was absolutely pummeled. Yeah. Every once in a while I got this new dad strength I think I'm gonna try using. Yeah. Everyone's the wild. I got this new dad strength, I think. I'm going to try to use it. How do you not twirl that one?

You twirled the one at Wells Fargo the first time around. How do you not twirl that one? Because I was worried the first day I hit it in that same spot and it almost got to the first cut of Ruff. So I don't want to be the guy who twirls it and misses the fairway. That's a huge worry of mine. And that one, it needed to be dead down the middle for me to twirl anything.

But I wish I had that in my arsenal. I just, I am not that cool. What's the best thing Joe said to you today? On 15, I just got my lead, went back down to one. And I was still playing well, but obviously, you know, it was getting a little close, and we were on the tee, and he said, he said, you're a fucking killer, like you're the killer here, and I went out, birdie that whole, got back up three, and walking off the green, he said it again, He said, you're the fucking killer.

And uh, stealing a bit of that from DJ Pie Housekey, but um, I told him that, you know, that story from a year or so ago. So when he said that, it just felt good. Cause I, I still felt comfy and getting that little boost from Joe, just, you know, knowing that he, he has a lot of faith in me and he's always told me I'm a winner. And when he, you you know he kind of leans on me there and so I can lean on him with the golf stuff I think it's just a really good balance. And then you hit like the best approach and just crazy good approach into 15 like those. Yeah 15 was finally kind of trust myself. I felt like I was cheating my lines after 11. I kept kind

of like making sure I wasn't missing on the wrong side instead of hitting a great shot and relying on my iron plate, which is typically my thing. I felt like I kept cheating and I told Joe on 13th. I keep cheating my lines to try to not make the big mistake. Finally I got on that shot on 15th as it's a perfect number. I love hitting a little two yard draw. Also, guys, this is the one I'm just gonna kind of I'm gonna try to show you know that this is kind of my shit I guess and I

finally hit in between that shot and then the one on 17 was the best shot I probably ever hit under pressure. Those two finally kind of like trust myself and letting it go that that felt really good. Well you made me a little nervous on 16, I'll tell you that. You and me both the guy. Holy smokes. You and me, you and me too. I hit a good tee shot and it just overturned with the wind and I had an awkward one and again,

I kind of cheated my line and made sure I didn't hit the tree on my left on the second shot. And I absolutely left in the worst spot ever. I got an awful lie, hit a good pitch and ran it five, six feet by. But it was kind of nice in a weird way. Like, Keegan made that putt. I felt like if Keegan missed and I missed, we would have the same exact lead dispersion,

but I would have felt shittier about it. But the fact that he made it, I was like, all right, you know, I make this putt, I stay one up. And I felt like I had a weird amount of momentum. And I don't know, it's like one of those weird, I guess, maybe in the moment things, but I like, it like almost refocused me into like, you need, you know, this is to keep the lead with two to play and keep the golf tournament kind of in my hands. And I kind of liked that because like I said, if he missed and then I might just go up and kind of wave at that one a little bit but I felt like I got over that one with a lot more intent

and I don't know if that those are the little things I felt good I even muttered to myself like after I made I said I'm not fucking scared of this like keep doing this because I know 17's going to be the hardest shot of the day and I you kind of weighed on it I know you guys know a golf course around the corner from you guys who are you that that walk to the 17th T is just a little too long And I was waiting on that tee shot because I knew it was gonna be enough to the left in a nightmare So getting to make that put him walk into 17 was that was cool for me Does this change anything about what how good you think you could be just four wins like change your expectations? Expectations know by definitely think that confidence

always getting higher. And I mean, I haven't done anything in a major yet. So I think that's going to be the next big step. But I definitely, yeah, we talked about that for you, K-Mawks. Yeah, I definitely, I definitely feel like that's coming. And I think what I'm, I think the, the boost I'll have is when I get in the mix, I'm, I seem to do a good job of staying in the mix. And I haven't been in the mix in a major yet at all.

So I need to get there first, but I'm definitely, the pieces of the puzzler come together, short games feeling a lot better. The way I've been driving it for about a year makes things a lot easier, scoring wise on any golf course. So I think it's just coming together. So I know I need to play better majors in the biggest events, but I finally did do it at the players this year.

I played well there. And that, you know, that field is major caliber, obviously. And so I think that was kind of maybe the first step towards that. You also won RIV. So, Brandy, go ahead. I didn't win RIV. No fans though. Some people put asses on.

Oh, that's true. I didn't win Riff. No fans though, some people put a ask. Oh, that's true. I didn't think about that. How difficult were the conditions? That was my Saturday Saturday. Oh, yesterday was one of the hardest days of golf I've ever played in my life. Yeah, it was just, it was straight up miserable, dude. I'm like the second hole.

Like, we were waiting in the fairway and I was just thinking to myself, how am I going to do this for 16 more holes? Like, and that is such a bad thought. When I used to caddy at lakeside when I was just thinking to myself, how am I gonna do this for 16 more holes? And that is such a bad thought. When I used to caddy at Lakeside when I was younger, I would always try to like not count how many holes we had left, because it would make the day drag on. And I was like, why am I doing this?

We have 16 more holes, and it's only Saturday. But it was just the most perfect amount of rain to just be annoying. It was the most perfect amount of rain just to be like hard, and then it was windy and cold and everything was wet. And it was just like fumbling the freaking umbrella. I want to break the thing in half. Everything was just so annoying.

And at the same time, we had to go out there and play a really hard golf course and hit good shots. And it was just like, God, it's just like, it sucked. But getting through that, knowing that, you know, I was gonna come into today, one shot closer to the lead than I was the day before. That was very proud of that. And I also knew that like, we're all gonna be a little

more comfortable today, not having to deal with all that shit from Saturday. I mean, that was wild on Saturday. Like you started the round, three shots back. I think like four or five holes in, you were three shots up. Yeah, I didn't think I was going to be Jason day. One of the best golfers I've ever seen by eight in a day, but that's the golf course. Now is the conditions like the ball was sliding off the face.

Who was going either right or left. It was it was truly a nightmare on four. Like on four. I was like, this is awesome. Like I'm sitting on my couch like the cup of coffee, just warm and warm and hanging out with Freddie. And you had a 245 yard driver on four and then birdie five. And I'm like, this is sick, man. He's in the mix, he is locked in. And then play the front nine and even had a little bumble there 11 and 12 and then just nails down the stretch. It was awesome. Yeah, it was just one of those things where I knew

there were gonna be holes where we're gonna make boggies and I knew there was gonna be shots that I hit okay that did not turn out good at all. And I also knew there was gonna be some shots that I hit close and I just tried to wear it out after that 12th hole and just like suck it back up and make, you know, I made a birdie in the rest parts and kind of just got myself to the damn house

as unscathed as possible. I don't know. That was the truest form of grind I think we've had. Well, I know we're keeping you from a celebration here. Last question in line with the last time we did this. Are you flying private tonight? Nope. I'm flying 7 a.m. tomorrow.

I rode 12. I didn't get first class. Wow. American. I'm flying 7 a.m. tomorrow, uh, road 12. I didn't get first class. Wow. American. I'm guessing American. American. Oh, you know, I mean, D C Phoenix. You got it. Well, we're, we're, we're extremely happy for you, man. Congratulations, uh, getting, we don't really know what to talk about anymore when you win,

because it's kind of happened pretty frequently, but, uh, yeah, you might be too good. I, I was lamenting but you might be too good. I was lamenting you might be too good. I just want to be in those talks, Randy, that you have where you just bitch to people for not winning majors. I want to be there. I want to be in there. Is Max the best player to have never won a major? There we go. Let's start that conversation. I love it. I love it, Max. I feel like you're your your your your bonafides of your you're approved to be a killer now We gotta go be a killer in a major. I do And you got to teach Neil and Randy how to do aim point because that We can do a course this year. I'm 100% down for that. You guys will take me to band in one time

All right, we'll let you go man We're ending the show with that as well. Thank you, everyone for tuning in and congrats again, bud. Thank you guys, love you boys. Hope to see you guys soon. Cheers to you, bro. Thank you. Get a right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most.

Better than most.