No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 563: US Women's Open, Memorial, and LIV Golf Developments

Episode Date: June 6, 2022

Minjee Lee wins the US Women's Open at Pine Needles, Billy Horschel claims the Memorial and more developments on the LIV Golf front as the first Saudi backed event is set to begin this week in London.  Settle in as we break down another wild week in the world of golf. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. open Hello Cody. Hello friends. And his last ever podcast with us before he goes and joins the live tour, the YouTube series that will be live golf. They wanted the best YouTube color commentary in the game. And they got him big Randy. Hello big. Yeah, you blind side me a little bit with that announcement. I was hoping to, you know, it was getting

ready to break man. We had to get out in front of it. Nobody is going to buy this. This is the least, the least sellable bit ever.'re going to come in with a million, a million more sellable bits. Dude, all of the ones that I thought have been, it's not about a Monday in detail, but the ones that I thought have been so obvious, like people have fallen for. I really thought people were going to bite on this one. So many people are like, oh, you'd do it for 30 million this week. I thought they would see I knew these guys were sellouts.

I knew it. I knew it. Big Randy was talking a couple of weeks ago about how you thought the player should have options. He fell into it. But listen, we got plenty to cover this week. Most of which, you're probably familiar with one of it. You may not have heard about this week's Florida junior tour 54 hole major at Champions Gate. I bet you didn't know about this, Dege. I didn't. A big Champions Gate guy back in my days in Orlando though. The event was won by Misha Golod, a Ukrainian teenager brought to the US a few months ago by the combined efforts of Joel Beale from Golf Digest, Jim Nugent of Global Golf Post. David

led better in his academy and contributions from everyday golfers. Callaway would like to congratulate Misha. Don't forget your role of this also when he was on the broadcast at the players. And you accidentally took a whole frame and then you dropped out of your knees to get off the TV screen. So you were there for the ride as well. Shout out to to your role in bringing Misha over here to the United States. Callaway and myself would like to congratulate Misha on his impressive win. Quick look in Misha's bag, a rogue ST Max driver and matching fairway woods,

a set of apex irons and jaws wedges and Odyssey tri-hot, 5K number 2 putter and a chrome soft x golf ball. Misha's got an amazing story. Hopefully we hear more about him in the future. We encourage you to take a read of Joel Beale's work about him in golf digest. In our local Naples daily news, which is an article circulating out there as well. Congrats to Misha. That's fantastic.

The Minji Lee Stripe Show. She's here. This is like the most, like the very, like the Neil Schuster. It all becomes clear to me after the fact. Like, like 18 holes into this was like, how do we, how do anybody but TC miss Minji Lee winning the US Women's Open? Yeah, that's a tough one. Code man, happy to have you. Practically a home game for you out there.

Very nice. Two minutes down the road, happy to go out there every day this week. It started out really, really hot. And I'm happy that it kind of cooled down by the weekend. When picked up a little bit, but it was awesome to see what was the highlight of what you saw this week. I mean, I honestly don't even know where to start. It's true TC fashion. How do you pick just a lot of a lot of ways to get off?

Extremely low scores with it. I was not expecting on Thursday. And then you kind of see them disgusting. Yeah, you see the course picking up steam things starting to bake out a little bit. Only two rounds under par today. So I think, you know, we can have a course conversation and set up conversation later on in the podcast, but overall, I mean, two rounds on Sunday, under par, not bad. Highlights, so obviously seeing Rose make the cut, huge supporter there.

Everybody else, I think it's funny because she was in Thursday, Friday, falling like this absolute stud grouping of like Nellie and Danielle. And I mean, her galleries at times were matching theirs. So I don't know if it was a no laying up bump, but the pride of as we call them the first flight, roost was out, gallantly supporting rows all the way. So excited to see her make the cut. That's that's hardwarming, hardwarming stuff. Love here. Absolutely.

Let me just real quick. I want to put this on the agenda so we don't forget to put it come back to it I want to hear in detail about you bringing your young daughters out to the golf course because that seemed like it Absolute just roller coaster of the most heartwarming stuff you could do the most hellish Way to to spend an afternoon. I really wanted to loop back for some details on that after we get through the actual Competitive golf. Well, we'll write that one down. What honestly, the highlight of me is how far some of these ladies absolutely bomb the golf ball. And then others kind of just get it out there. But overall, everybody is like center cut of the fairway. Everybody hits the center of a green. And you just, it turns into a putting competition and when the greens were

Not to you know not baked out yet and not really rolling at the speeds that they wanted to on Thursday Friday and Probably morning on Saturday everybody was making putts and then kind of Saturday afternoon to today people got exposed from it But overall from a hometown guy. I think pine needles It it it lived up to what we thought it was gonna be. We didn't think that it was gonna be an even round total. Anybody can go out there and score. It's not that long. It's not that difficult. There's plenty of grass. And there's not a lot that's gonna jump up and bite you,

unless they put pins directly on ridges, which they didn't really do. So overall, amazing week could not be prouder to the community for showing up Southern Pines, not Pines, Southern Pines. Not bitter at all with that one. I can tell, but for the listeners that maybe are not as familiar, Minjili won the Cognizant Founders Cup just a few weeks ago, about the second week of May. She was out in front of that one and closed the door on that one. And then a few weeks later turns up and gets way out in front.

But just playing that long with that big of a lead is got to be exhausting in terms of the shots that are required and the safety that's required and the, oh, shit, it's going to look really bad if I screw this up now. That's required. And there was just like none of that. It was low key kind of boring to watch just because she was so far out in front and just showing no signs of weakness. She made a couple of bogies today, but at no point did it feel like it was under threat even

for for a little bit. And won the avion last year. So this is her second major championship. And well, that's up for debate. That's true. Avion's on this podcast. We've kind of going back and forth and whether we recognize that as a major or not.

So it's good to see her. It's a fake, kind of close. It really secure the deal by winning today. It truly depends on who wins that tournament whether we count it as a major. Exactly. It's kind of like the John Deere Classic. I think it's kind of like a,

the commens major that's won at a bad venue that doesn't count as a full one. But if you win a second one, it valid. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So today was a big day. Yeah.

So she got all over, roll over, roll over effort. Essentially got paid for two majors today as well. Anyway, yeah. She went from a half major today to now she has two majors, I think, is the, the fair way to state that one. But you know, I was on the back of the range watching her warm up and it, she did not look really like comfortable. And surprisingly like Lydia was like. And surprisingly, like Lydia

was like striping everything. Like as soon as she stepped on the practice putting green her speed was dialed, she was holding everything. Her mom was excited about it. I was like, wow, this is going to be a Lydia day. She's she's coming. And then honestly, like seven minutes into Minji's round when she striped that wood onto the first green. I was like, Oh man, this is just, this is done. Like what do we even do in here? Well, it's just simulate the rest coming out and shooting the third best round of the day. When you're sleeping on the 54 hole lead,

that's not quite the Steve Elkington of shooting the low round on Sunday. When you go out to win by a lot, but that's a statement. Like I don't know. I'm very, very, very, very, very impressed. Her in junior and cover, the only players to not shoot an overpar round at all during this championship. Randy, where are your thoughts? You're the women's golf expert here. Well, certainly no expert, but yeah, just a culmination of really, really good play for quite a while now for Minji. You know, that that Founders Cup event in New Jersey a couple of weeks ago is at Upper Montclair, which people were saying was it could be

a championship golf course. It was that type of venue. And so yeah, I'm like you, I think just because she was one of the clear favorites is probably why I stayed away from her, but absolutely no surprise that she won this week. I think what's most surprising to me, just about Minji Lee and her career. So she just turned 26 at the end of May. She's been ranked in the top 10, going back five, four years now, ever since the end of 2018. Obviously, you said this is her second major win. It's her eighth LPGA tour victory. I guess my question for you guys is like, she deserves to be right there with Jin Young Co. And we'll see when Nelly gets back fully healthy.

But it's like those two and Minji Lee, it's, I mean, that's as good as it gets. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't see her going anywhere. Like she, she has a chance to win a lot it feels like over the next couple years. Which kind of feels like it's I don't know about you but kind of ready for for someone in the women's game to to step up and kind of end the parody a little bit right I mean it's it feels like we're Jin Youngco has done well she has I mean

more from like a major major major championship perspective, right? It's going full in B Park. Yeah, it's been a while. I was just going to say, like, are we just ignoring, like, NB isn't that long ago. She hasn't won since what, 2015, is that right? That's pretty long ago. That's pretty, that's pretty well.

That's so well ago. If that's not long ago, then I don't know what worries, but yeah, exactly. The worries tree, kids. I think their boys and girls that are entering college that weren't born when in the last one. That's true. I hear you though. It's a crowded space and it's hard to really latch on to.

Yeah, and it seems like women's golf is in kind of a weird spot where I guess it kind of mirrors the men's game a little bit, but I'm not saying like the depth is not there, but it seems like women's golf is in kind of a weird spot where I guess it kind of mirrors the men's game a little bit But I'm not saying like the depth is not there But it seems like the the top 20 top 15 is like so far in a way better than You know the the next crop right and to see that next two or three at the top of that really separate even further I think would be only good for for the game Capital T capital G the game. Yeah, I think would be only good for for the game capital T capital G.

The game. Yeah, I mean, so I don't take the LPGA stats quite as gospel yet, but they are getting better and just going off strokes gained this year, 2022. And I it probably doesn't even include either this week or at least today, but Minji's like 1.3 shots per round better than the next closest person, Stroke's gain T-degree. It's 3.46 and I think that's before this event, which so it's only going to get better. I mean, she is dominating with her ability to hit the ball and hit it close.

It's really impressive. It's out of control, really. And that's, I mean, we don't get to see just with the LPGA tour and the cameras and the lack of cameras to keep up with all the players. Like, we don't get to watch a ton of her rounds from beginning to end, but it's like watching it this week was just like, oh my, this is automatic ball strike. Your little two to three yard draw pretty much every time. This was a perfect, perfect golf course for. And I do want to ask you about set up, Rene. You had, you had some, some comments, some tweets you had

even tagged in Mike one saying to take your take this championship back. So Rene's got that Saudi money now. He's a man with nothing to lose. You had some issues with the course setup? I did. Yeah, any time you look up going into the weekend and there are multiple people at nine under. There's an amateur at, I don't what was in grid, Lynn Blath, like six, six, under going into the weekend.

It just was a little too soft for me. And they were talking about in the broadcast. They had put some water on the course, which Cody, I know it rained some Friday. Was that rain a surprise? I'm just wondering why seemingly that the course like only gets spicy by Sunday in these US opens. I feel like we've seen that a little bit on the men's side too. So it's not unique to the women. I just wish it was more of a four day grind. Like let's make it spicy from the very beginning.

I miss those types of US opens. Yeah, I honestly, I agree with you. I thought it was going to be the greens. We're going to be a lot more firmer. They're going to be a lot more faster throughout the entire week. And that just wasn't how they set it up. And I don't know why the USJ decided to go through that route. You're right.

When we mentioned the last couple of US opens, they've kind of gone down the same path, but that's just kind of how it was. It's not like they're afraid of losing the greens. I mean, and honestly, Pine needles later in the summer, the greens are harder and faster than they were this week when the ladies were playing it. So I don't, there's no concern there. And I don't think from like an actual golf course

standing up to it, there was a threat of like losing the course there. I just think that's how they decided to play it. Friday night got a little bit of rain, but honestly, it was like one of those weird early summer North Carolina rains where it just drops enough to kind of like stick on the grass and just cool it off. It didn't actually penetrate anything. It's been abnormally hot, but again, like there's nothing that happened

that there was a chance of losing the golf course or getting too baked out. So I don't know, I'm the same spot you are, Mr. Juan. Please provide us some, please, Mr. Mike, please give us our national open back. I think they've, they've really lost and this is of course kind of a bit, but kind of serious, as it's coming out of my mouth, I think they've lost the will to embarrass the players. Right. Yeah. That's unfortunate, because I think that, that's kind of what we're, what, I will say we, I think that's what you were looking for. It's a little bit more of what Cody was talking about,

pins on diabolical slopes. I feel like they've kind of pushed it with 18 today. It looked like I was kind of watching out of the corner of my eye while I was doing a bunch of live golf stuff, but it felt like, it felt like that was the one that was kind of like, okay, that could get away from some players and we could have some real heartache

if something does get close. Yeah, but do just get close. In two. Sure. Yeah, exactly. And that's where I think it just wasn't quite there. I will say, I feel like I say this a lot on our major championship pods, but I'm a massive fan of, you know, I like when it gets progressively harder.

And I seemed like from a distance, I gotcha. I wish it was a little spicy around one and two, but I was like as long as Sunday is a very, very, like the hardest test, I think that's good. And it was very clear watching like the harder got the more mengyly it was going to win by, which I think is, you know, deserving of a champion. I very rarely say this, but it felt like they had more room to go lengthwise in the

championship. It did not play very long, just with fairways that wide and rolling out as much as they were. It, uh, those greens can play a lot differently when those shots are coming in at, at, you know, hybrid trajectory than they were wedges on a lot of the holes, right? So that was, that was kind of my thing, which was like, they're just so freaking go with their short irons that what can look very What is actually diabolical can look rather pedestrian and I know that today was tough and there was only 200 par rounds and involved scores kind of going backwards

But I just think it's a good championship still when you know You have the winner at 13 under and then fourth place was six under so it is like it is it kind of skews things a little bit to look at the very top and see low scores, but like two under par was good enough for T eighth, right? And only 13 players broke par in the championship. And I would prefer to watch that style than like last year at Olympic, which was just thick, rough everywhere and protected scoring in par a lot, but it was not very entertaining golf. I didn't think. Now, at the same time, I thought pine needles was going to have maybe a little bit more spice around the greens and kind of more ejections and rejections and things that we actually got. But again, I think that can kind of go back to not being set up that long. And I think you should level set too, Randy, because I don't think pebbles going to be,

I don't think that's going to have a lot of teeth in July. Well, the woodland, the USO, was a disgrace, I will say the only thing about Olympic last year with that setup was, you know, Lexi had a five shot lead with eight to play and and blew it and we got the three way playoff, I believe. So a lot of that had nothing to do with that golf course. No, for sure, for sure. But when when the rough and when like Of course it's kind of on edge went well No, I mean just when people start to get nervous and you're trying to close out a tournament. It just makes any squirrely shot

You know, you just get penalized over and over for that. So I don't know I have no problem with pine needles. I think To your point DJ with with the wide fairways and the driving accuracy, the main defense was always going to be those greens. I just would have liked to see them a little firmer, a little faster, maybe put the pins in some dicey locations throughout the week as that was the main defense. But I think Minji Lee was going to win no matter what. Like, I don't think it had anything to do with the outcome. Mina Haragai, with a million dollar runner-up finish,

her first ever top 10 in a major in 47 major championship starts. Probably a good week to do that, I would think. Like historically, the best week. The history of it's golf to do that, I would think. Like historically, the best week, the history of it's golf to do that. She had $2.9 million in career earnings over a very lengthy, not very lengthy, over a 10 year professional career that she now surpassed a million dollars with this one. She hung really, really tough.

Was never going to catch Minji, but like, there was a lot, a lot, a lot to play for. She shot a final round 72 to win the second place million dollar check. But she, yeah, she, she hung in there. I way better than maybe I was expecting. Got a good laugh out of her tweet Thursday. Quote jobs not finished. Kobe Bryant. I thought, yeah, maybe we tweet that Saturday night.

I don't know if that's a Thursday night tweet. That was a bit odd, but I respect it. Yeah, I thought it was finished until she tweeted that and I was like, Oh gosh, you're right. That's right. There are 54 holes left to play. I feel like I mentioned this many times at the Soulheim Cup, but I always get a very pinched me kick out of anytime. Meena is on on TV as I used to park carts at Weaver Ridge golf club with her fiance Travis

Criter. I used to cover his basketball games when he was at Brimfield High School for the Peakin Daily Times. And just I remember like we obviously kind of lost touch after college. But yeah, looking up following a following like some LPJ tournament a couple years ago, see him on the bank. We holy shit. And just the more that he is, you know, they've kind of their career is really starting to rise and her getting picked for the Soulheim Cup last year. It was the first time I'd seen him in like 10 or 12 years. So it's very cool to see him on screen a bunch today. So shout out to both of those guys for an excellent week. And also, you know, we're kind of talking about it a little bit today. I think the Soulheim Cup pick of hers was was a little controversial.

Maybe I think she, you know, certainly wasn't many people's best favorite option on the board. And so to back that up and now kind of do it on another individual stage is great. Another step, massive step forward. Still searching for a first LPGA victory. I mean, she was, she was trying to do the elusive first tour victory as a major. So I think that will be the next big step for, for Meena. I don't think I had quite peace this together for hege and joy, who's a rookie on the LPGA tour that she, this is her second top three at the US Women's Open. She was a runner up as an Amener in 2017 to Sengy on Park at, at, uh, bedminster. I, I had not pieced that together. I knew she was, I knew she was absolutely torn up

the Korean LPGA, uh, and as, as a technically a rookie on the LPGA tour, but it's not a rookie in professional golf, but I, I totally did not know that. She's a rhino. They're the rookie in name, won't they? She's been. totally did not know that. She's a rhino. They're the rookie in name, won't we? She's been. Yeah. Genie on co and Lydia co unrelated as noted on the broadcast, uh, shape out the top five and a Norquist another top top six finish here

and another major championship, uh, putting from everywhere, which was fantastic. Cause she does not a good golf course for her to be, for her to be chipping on. But Bronti law up there too taught the T-secs as well. I was well through the world ranking. She's like the well outside the top 100. I kind of always. Oh, yeah. pictured here much much more accomplished or much hotter than she has been I guess. But yeah, that'll be a big way as towards moving that up. Nelly coming back. We're months off after surgery. Yeah, T8 finish. Megan Kang T8 as well.

The animal guillire gets top 10 finish at and tied for eighth and England. Ingrid lidblad. Amateur should just opening around 65 record opening round for an amateur in the US women's open finishes with 71 71 tough day today 76, but a T11 finish for the amateur, beating a lot of a lot of names out there. So it did not go very well, but that was fun story to follow as a week went on. So kind of weird, you know, I feel like we've done this in kind of the more Kawa, Havland type of of comps, but I think they said she's 22.

Yeah. She's three years younger than Luteco. Yeah. It's just a little, it's a little different in the women's game. I wanted to get hype. It's like, yeah, you're, that's very, very different. It's kind of, she's kind of on a little different timeline than a lot of her competitors, but still impressive nonetheless. Very much so. Some big disappointments, I guess, on the flip side. I think obviously near and dear to

our heart, Madeline Sax from God, I seemed like it was such a good week for her. Yeah, opening 69 and then just fell apart and round two and missed the cut. Even that opening 69, there was a double and some some bad bogies in there and just, what could have been? And that's where I like, it doesn't, didn't really pop on TV, but that was out there. Right. You got, you got offline out there. That was out there. And there was a lot got offline out there. That was out there.

And there was a lot of a decent amount of big numbers and big scores put up by some big name players out there that it just didn't feel like there was that safety net there that's with setups that are too soft that you can kind of get away with a lot of stuff. That was my feeling. Jessica Korsh, 81 today. Exactly. Now on that note, that's not good. Patty Tavitanikits, the other one, tough Tafi. She's been scuffling a bit, disappointed, miscut for her. I think this was a season I have high expectations. She can salvage it, but not a good week this week. And if we're if we're turning the page on women's major championships congressional, a new look at the newly renovated

Congressional end of this month, KPMG women's PGA championship will be there and will be there as well as we as we have been in years past. So look forward to that one. I guess the, you know, the last thing is with Minji Lee winning her second major, you know, I think we put it to Cody. Cody, what's the over under career majors for Minji? Uh, uh, three. Wow. I'm gonna take the over. I'm gonna take the over. I'm going over. I'm gonna hammer the over, I think. Are we counting avions as full majors going forward? Oh, of course, we already talked about that, but going forward. Roller points are not good here. Should we ask Neil what his over? We'll see if we can get that later. Well effort after that. Okay. I got two things. Two people that I've watched a lot this week. Randy, you're gonna appreciate this one. Okay. The overall the best

ball striking from from driver to fairway Getting on the green. The most impressive player I watch all week was Brooke Henderson. She cannot putt. I don't know what the issue is. She hits the center of every green and cannot like make anything. It was so impressive to watch her off the t-box. I know she's going through some equipment changes, just firing all over the place and just couldn't do anything. Yeah, Cody, she's, you know, she and Lexi are, they're, I mean, they're dead. They just, come on, I'm trying to bring it back. Well, I know, I know.

I know. I'm sorry. It's been too long for Brooke. She's got too much game. We just have to win. So we got it to clear her finished. And Lexi the same way. Does anybody do less with more than Lexi Thompson on the golf course? It just is another disappointing week for her. Super disappointing because I feel like she's actually ramped up her game.

This year, her ball striking has gotten somehow even better, but I just maybe try putting without the glove. Like maybe effort, it can hurt. It cannot hurt at this point. And look, it's labor watching that golf swing for 18 holes, but oh my gosh, she was in the feature groups and I got to see her play a lot in the early rounds. She's like, holy shit, man, She hits it so freaking good when she hits it

and is leaning like big time for an offline shot. It's like six feet right of a hole. Like it is incredible how good a ball striking she is and just does not get a whole lot out of it. It is rather incredible. Also just for those keeping score at home, Brooke Henderson 24 years old. So just there's a lot of,

there's a lot of death watch to watch for the rest of that career. There's still a lot of career left. So that's, I'm gonna enjoy that, Raydie. Thank you for putting that on the line. I appreciate that. I can hear redemption story. We'll see. It's just, I think Canada's gotta own it until it happens.

Cody, what have I told you this? What have I told you, Brook Henderson, according to the KPMG insights, is 88th going into this week and in shotscane putting at negative 0.08 per round. And Minji Lee is 148th at negative 1.21 Stroke's game putting per round.

So if I may say on that, that like Minji's numbers being out of control with the Stroke's gained ball striking and bad with putting, her caddy might be bad at estimating how far away she hits it to the hole. Like that's kind of how the stats are calculated is the caddy says, you know, you hit it to this many feet and however many puts.

And so I'm guessing it's somewhere in the middle there if I were to poke a hole in that. The other one who is crazy impressive was Megan Kagan, her scrambling ability. It was like she would like all these little runoffs and everything. She was so impressive, not just putting, but like all these little pitches and bumps that she was hidden. It was so cool to watch. And obviously drawn a big northeastern crowd out there. Everybody y'all and go go Celtics, go socks. You name it everywhere she went. By the way, today before her final round, she's like in the fourth from last group, finished her warm up routine,

probably eight, 10 minutes earlier, something like that and literally was standing there and was like, I don't know what to do. And just stood there and signed autographs while she's waiting to go to the first t box. And every other player who might have been done early is just sitting there with their headphones in like meditating or listening to music still. And Megan's just on the side like talking to fans cheering it up, taking selfies, you name it like all about it. It was so cool to watch. Just trying to grow the game. She's wonderful. You know, she's another interesting one where she is not one on the LPGA yet. She's been out there quite a few years. For instance, the US women's open this, this, this is her fourth top 10

in the last five US women's opens. So, you know, there's something about when things get a little bit more challenging or the US open style golf that really brings out the best in her. She's got that Corey Paving gave. Dude, that's a great call. I love that comparison. I love that. We need to effort a follow with Jen from Grootter Golf.

I think was efforting a lesson with her dad with Megan. I was with. Yeah. I don't know if that came with them all week. I don't know if that came to fruition or not, but we'd love to hear. I'd love to hear how that went. You know, the Grootter King. I had Kiki out with me all weekend.

So it was awesome to have Kiki on the ground from Gruger Golf podcast. Her obviously from Jen huge Megan Kagan fans, uh, running up to her dad, who was like deep in concentration mode the entire entire time from, uh, from outside the ropes and, you know, it was cool to see her perspective from the first major that she's ever attended and you know it's just different and I say that too and DJ your question earlier about having the girls out there with me which turned into a lot bigger effort than I had planned it of course I should have thought through this but I decided to take my my three girls I have twins that are four should have thought through this, but I decided to take my three girls,

I have twins that are four and then a three year old. I decided to take them out on Saturday morning before crowds got crazy. Before it got too hot, I figured that if I stock up on water, I'd get them some cookies in the morning, wait a couple hours, maybe get them some ice cream before I'm going to run them home for a nap, we'd be set. And that planned backfireed miserably. So I was trying to play zone defense around the putting green, one, one T box, 18 green, and about out of control quick.

So were there any players that they really resonated with? No, they unless it was daddy, I want that, daddy, I want that. Let's go back in that big tent where all the hats and shirts were at. Let's go buy some more gear. So it was awesome. I think they're very impressed, but it's a lot for somebody that take in, but they held in a lot longer than I thought they did or thought they would have. And you know, it was, it was a ton of fun.

All have pictures. It's of course going to be more, more to me than it ever will to them, but I got the pictures of Matt someday you never know you maybe down the road. It might mean more to them plan. They know. Yeah, exactly. So no laying up as brought to you by our friends at precision pro golf, the official rangefinder of NLU. So get your father's day savings now with precision pro golf's father's day sale. to stay sale, take the next steps to better golf and more fun on the course by adding a trusted rangefinder to your bag until June 19th get $40 off the recent best tech winning R1 Smart Rangefinder or $20 off the best value winning NX7 Pro Slope and much more when you shop Precision Pro. Whether it's your first rangefinder or not, they have covered with industry leading customer service, free lifetime battery replacements, a 30% trade in program, and more.

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was just recently diagnosed. So she doesn't quite know what it means and what it means for her golf going forward, but all the best of her and hopefully, you know, it doesn't impact her golf wise for very long, but certainly, you know, just general life as well. Amen to that. Yeah, I don't really have anything to add on to that. That sounds horrific, but hopefully hoping for the best for her. So it's probably around this time that we should acknowledge the, the elephant in the room, which is that TC hit the winner on in our draft Kings picks of Benji Lee on the US women's open and William Ho at the memorial.

And he also had a max home of play, which almost one, do you want to read his message? Sure. He said, this was from our our draftings slack. He said, guys, I'd like to see any positive words and fluffing of my plays on this evening's pod for an acknowledgement of the immense young talent on the corn fairy tour Davis Thompson, Harry Hall, Andrew Yoon, young, sweet Vincent Norman and Will Gordon, remarkable stuff. TC Vision fund 2030 looking to the future and pay it forward. And you pay that off with a, it looks like a gif of Paul Ryan, former speaker, the house dabbing was, was kind of how he wanted to bring that home. So TC classy classy and victory as always.

It's really incredible. I've got a cut out of words for this one. But my question for the group is what when we see when when Bill when William Hogue gets hot man, he gets really, really freaking hot. So why don't we see it more often? I say it's also at the same time. Like seven career PGA tour wins. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. I just don't know what to take away from this. Like he, I feel like he is so, so, so talented or gets at the same time,

gets so much out of his talent. Yet I'm also confused why that number isn't even more than seven. Yeah, I don't have a, I don't have a great answer for you. I mean, I just, every time he wins, I'm like, oh, that makes a ton of sense. And every time he doesn't win, I guess you I don't have a great answer for you. I mean, just every time he wins, I'm like, oh, that makes a ton of sense. And every time he doesn't win, I guess you just don't really think about him that much. He's kind of one of those guys, right? Like I don't think he's, maybe he's kind of changing this, but he doesn't win enough to be a first-tier guy, right?

And definitely not enough kind of, quote unquote, big events. He's 11th in the world now, though. No, trust me. I'm with you. Like I'm with you. Every time you see him up there, like, oh, fuck, Billy's so good.

And then he, but he's one of those guys that can kind of, he can kind of sink back into the crowd too. And I do think his, his floor is very high. Still, I mean, he doesn't miss a ton of cuts, right? He's usually, he's usually, he's got some of those, some of those oil tendencies that, that DC likes to talk about. But, uh, yeah, I don't have a great answer for you. Other than there's every time he wins, I'm kind of a little bit,

you know, in awe of him. I love watching play, man. I love watching play. You know who Billy reminds me? I'm going to throw out a comparison to, to an older golfer. And somebody that I just remember from when I was first watching golf in my childhood You guys remember John Houston. Yes, of course of course record holder at Mirfield Village The guy yeah, and then guy just would get hot and tons of birdies tons of birdies How many without looking how many how many PGA tour victories you think John Houston had seven six without looking how many how many PGA tour victories you think John Houston had seven six seven that's exactly right and I think it's the same deal where it's like when when he's on he's he's just fantastic

now what causes him not to be on the horseshoat least I don't know you know I think some of its his attitude and just very high strung it seems seems like, you know, that lends itself to peaks and valleys. But, um, yeah, I don't know. I get John Houston vibes from them though. I love that. I will take that one as well. Billy was like one of my favorite players back in like 2011. I think it was like a fantasy thing or whatever it was. I just, he was an incredible iron player. He brought a certain level of excitement to it. And I think it was like a fantasy thing or whatever it was. I just, he was an incredible iron player. He brought a certain level of excitement to it. And I think kind of the more, the further we got along,

was kind of like, okay, there's a lot, there's a lot going on here. Yet at the same time when he does get hot, I really do enjoy watching him play. Totally. I think if he, yeah, out of gosh, I hesitate to say this because we have seen a lot of the, you know, the town cryer stuff as the shotgun start guys like to like to call him.

He seems to have an opinion on literally everything, which again, as a podcast who continues to say, like, please speak your mind. Speak your mind. It's hard to, I'm not going to call it both ways. I love, love hearing from him. But I think dude, he has some it factor to him, right? He's, he's fun to watch. And I think if he, if he would have timed things a little differently on that 20, what was the 2014 run 2013 2014, 2014, when he won the BMW and he won the tour championship, if he would have timed that into two other wins or a major or something, I mean,

I think he could have been like a pretty bonafide like star on the PJ tour. I think there would have been a bazillion. It really horses. Fans. If you would have made the Ryder Cup team like you should have that year. Yeah. The whole his whole profile probably looks a lot different to all fans. I think he almost you could slot him in for like what Keegan Bradley did and was at 2011.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you know kind of parlaying that into a great pairing with Phil and okay, now he's this rider cup guy And I felt like that should bought Keegan like a good seven eight nine years of like goodwill, right? And God that's so easily could have been Billy Except for I just think Billy's a way better player and he's a lot more fun to watch It's why it's weird weird how things happen and I think a lot of it has to be at least recently the last couple years

I think it just must have in flow with the potter at least a little bit right I mean, I think he always hits it pretty good. He always drives it really good and the weeks he puts it Average or better. He he tends to you know being that top 20 ish and the weeks he doesn't eat is the rare times he misses the guy but Yeah, I don't know. He's he's a very interesting case on the PJ tour. You had a quote earlier on our Slack about horsehold never being on a US team being an indictment of the process. I'm wondering if you get to elaborate on that.

Sure. And people have to know, first of all, I don't appreciate you sharing things from our private Slack message. Really, newly slack is a free flowing conversation. We don't need to read anything. I've also said I look forward to discussing this on the yeah, why did you think you're gonna throw my exact words

at me? I was just trying to save it for the podcast. That's a take I'm still harboring from 2014, but I will never be able to get that out of my head. I remember traveling to all of those playoff events and watching him play a ton of golf in person and just be like, yo, this guy fucking has it. And like, I don't care. Like, and again, I did say this in Slack, which I'll stand by.

A lot of my takes can be debunked pretty easily with quote, math things. And I'm sure you're going to throw a lot of stats. I mean, not a lot of reasons why course fit and, you know, pretty average and all that stuff. I'm sure this could be debunked. But Billy, like, low key has it. And Randy, shout out to the eye test. I feel like there's just more to it with Billy.

And like watching the way he wins, I'm like, yo, that guy put him up against one on one against another player and he's just gonna fucking beat him. He's gonna find a way to get it done. And I think you say the same thing about Kisner and all that stuff, except for I think Billy's floor and some of his, you know, some of his like tangibles are better than Kisner and all that stuff except for I think Billy's floor and some of his you know Some of his like tangibles are better than Kisners. So it's just I would have signed up

Honestly, I would have signed up for every team event when he's playing well when he's not playing well I still would be like no put Billy on the team. There's a bunch of guys that kick off instead. Did you have I'll ride with you I love that take you know, he's one Zurich twice That's play and he's one match play, of course. And he was a fucking baller at the Walker Cup and all the team events he was on in college. And he's intense. Yeah, it looks like it matters to him. He's the guy, you know what it is? He's the guy.

Remember when there was a very little, you know, almost, I'm trying to think of a good politician that was similar, but there was a very small Kevin Na for writer cup contingent that popped up in a bit of a third party run that was going on there for a while. And like Billy Horsley is like, I feel like the Jill Stein. Yeah, I think so. I think that might be accurate. And it of course in the team, the victory, I believe, by fracturing the vote. But Billy is, I think the guy that everyone thought Kevin

Nah was in that conversation. Like, oh, he's just, he's gonna make a ton of buries. He's gonna get under your skin. It's like, no, all the American guys are gonna fucking hate Kevin. No. And I don't think all like some of the Americans might be a little annoyed with Billy. But I, I don't know, man, I think you would be hard pressed to find a guy who's not gonna have a blast playing with Billy Horseshal on a Ryder Cup team. I think you will have found no one that rode harder for Billy to be on the indictment of the process for 2014. Yeah, and listen, I gotta write it myself on that. The process is very good recently.

Yeah, you were onto it in 2014. They made the team up way too early. Firstly, picked Tom Watson to be the captain. The whole 2014 thing was a total mess. The bad thing that came from that was they changed the process and made the horseshell pick. They saved a spot for the week before the Ryder Cup that was like, all right, we're never getting caught with our pants down like that again. We're going to take the hottest guy coming off the tour championship roll that into the into the Ryder

Cup. That in 2016 became Ryan Moore, who had a great run at the at the tour championship. Billy didn't make the tour championship in 2016. So he was like kind of, by the time that had been two years since that crazy hot run and he didn't really capture that same magic again. And it kind of fell off to a, a, a, a, the first year of putting the task force, whatever people made fun of the most in place of like,

we are now setting up a real actual system for making picks and grooming captains and all this. And so once that started, Billy's kind of time in this never really lined up very well for him. Exactly. And the team was really, really good in 2016. They blew him out. And then 2018, the captains picks kind of just forced themselves onto the team. But Finau kind of being the stretch pick.

And he played fantastic in that one. Tiger was an auto pick. Bryson was an auto pick. Bryson was an auto pick. Phil shouldn't have been picked, but was for like, imagine Billy Horsel on that golf course. It would have made so much more sense. And like in hindsight, a mid like Phil should have resigned from that team and the

PGA to the PGA tour at the same time. But the Jill style slash Kevin. Quit talking about my cool work. But then you also go back to 2021 team like who are you? Who are you kicking off that team to put Billy hell on that team? And yeah, I get it. At a time when they needed disruptors on it, Billy, the guy was sitting right there. I totally agree.

The timing just like did not work out. And what a world to have a guy that and he'll probably make the presence cup team this year. So the stats a little, you know, debunked, but what a world to have a guy that has seven PJ tour wins that's never played on a team. That's impossible to do. Well, they're spread out a lot. So he's not.

No, it's just it's crazy. And I would not even say it's a guarantee he's going to make beyond the team this year. I mean, and I'm trying to vociferously say like he needs to be maybe come on man. He's been right under the right under the nose. And this is what I don't know. It's fat. Especially for the presence cup that they're going to already win by fucking 15 points for sure. This is not a bit, but when you just look at like the wins and how we talk about Horseshoe compared to Finau, who's only one twice. And it was like, he's been a lock for some US writer cups and it's just Galsa, Galsa funny game.

You're not gonna like this, but Finau's better at golf than Billy Horshaw. See, that's a fascinating discussion. I don't think so. I don't think so, man. It's not. I exactly, I just don't think so. Hotter, man. It's not. Exactly. I just don't think so.

Hotter peak weeks is different than being better at golf. Like just like better. Yeah. It is. It really is. Like does it pay way better in pro golf and in rankings to have the wins rather than being very consistent? Yes, it does.

But gun to your head. Who you taking? Horshola or Fienaou? If your life depends on it. For quail, probably, Finau, this has been an interplay. Or if my Finau stinks. When Finau was good,

this would have been a very interesting conversation, but Finau's not that good. Like right now, yeah, I'm gonna take Billy Ho. Like I've not been riding for Finau's recent performance. My problem is when he finishes T2 and when he finishes T4, do you think that's the same thing? And that's where we differ Hold a lot of this stuff

So that's fair Do you think Horsesho, do you think he ever wins a major? No God, he just seems like I mean Extreme recency bias and it's very very very very unlikely You know, he's gonna go two weeks in a row, but Brooklyn seems like an awesome fit it's very, very, very, very unlikely. You know, he's gonna go two weeks in a row, but Brooklyn seems like an awesome fit. Right? Like a proper, proper US open test

and granted, you know, he's a guy that seemingly melts down and seemingly can like, you know, get off the rails. But when he's hot, man, he seems to keep it in line. I don't know, a proper US open test. Like a LACC seems like, I don't know, seems like he could absolutely contend at a place like that. Horsel was TC's pick to win at Brookline

until we got to the eighth green. And he's like, no, he's gonna lose his mind out here. This is not gonna work, this is not it. But I mean, one top 10 in 34 career majors, like today doesn't change anything about how I feel about Horsel. Like we know he has this in him, like this that he can go just, you know, run over people.

It's just like, I will say, the only thing I'll say I had a Brookline is in the past, when he gets hot, it is not a one week thing. It's like a sustained run. Yeah. When he gets hot, he runs for like about a month. So it might be worth a look. I mean, I'm sure the odds are gonna change, but I, that he's the one guy that's always like,

it, it feels like he, you just got to keep going to the whip with him when he gets hot. So we'll see. This hasn't been updated yet, but as of, of this week, 13th on the president's couple list, Billy Horschl, 14th on the president's couple list, Tony Fino. That's interesting. It's damning. I mean, he's going to get a lot of friends with this one. Yeah, there's a couple guys. I mean, we can get into our live conversation later, but like, is Taylor Gooch? That's interesting. It's damning. He's gonna get a lot of friends to this one.

Yeah, there's a couple guys. I mean, we can get into our live conversation later, but like, is Taylor Gooch just like not eligible for the president's cup anymore? Because, you know, that would bump him up. I think I'm probably taking both of those guys ahead of Tom Hogecoin. I think, you know, there's just, there's, there's some interesting stuff shuffling around in that list.

I think you can talk about Billy around the players a lot because we think that like, oh, there's just there's there's some interesting stuff shuffling around in that list. I think you can talk about Billy Around the players a lot because we think that like oh, there's something about like he has these major home hometown vibes Of course that he plays all the time New Orleans is adopted hometown exactly New Orleans has adopted hometown in Austin. It's a match play thing. I was doing my research on Billy Ho here Billy is a franchise owner of a lemon shark Pokeball in Columbus. So true. True. Horse for course here. It is his second adopted hometown. That's why we got the victory today. You heard it. You heard it.

I got this but have been helpful on the preview show. This one. I don't even know if you're making that up. Even if you're making that up, that's how it's a great show. This was a great idea. No, if you're making that up, if you're making that up, that's a great idea. I know this is audio only, but very true story. Proud franchise owner. Wow. Interesting. Unbelievable.

It is worth noting also that six guys get automatic spots, six guys get picks, and the locker room thing is a factor in these things, and he's not a part of whatever you want to call the cool guys club. Like he's not hanging with the the speeds and JT's and them that are like pretty much in charge of dictating these teams. So he got he told me an epic story one time. I remember like back when I was working for the tour, I and he won the FedEx Cup.

Like I ended up spending a bunch of time with him and he was talking about. Oh, he was trying to do this thing. Like when Tiger first came on tour, he was like very, you know, Billy's obviously very gregarious and I think he likes to be boys with with everybody, especially the big names. And I think he almost the way he told the story, I think he almost like overestimated how close him and Tiger were. And he saw him like coming on a range one time and he like went to go like step up on,

like run towards this cooler and like hop up on the cooler and like wave at him or like make some like big gesture. And I don't know if it was a styrofoam cooler or what I'd have have any, but his foot went through the cooler and he just like spilled all over the range. It was great. Excellent story. I still remember that vividly. I

googled lemon shark pokey. Okay. Yes. And as a February 23rd this year, it abruptly closed its doors. Oh, shit. Yeah. So what happened? Oh, well, nobody knows. According to the Columbus Underground, they reached out for comment on why it had been closed, but it received nothing. I heard the employees are trying to unionize. That's why. Sorry, sorry. You're making an actual point about the driver. You were saying he's not part of the cool kids club. Well, that's going to be a part of the, if you don't finish in the top six, the next six is going to come from the cool guy club or it's going to take a sign off from that.

I'm not necessarily saying people don't like him. It's just, he is a volatile personality that when you don't need volatile personalities, it's easier to bypass that. And I'm putting, Reed isn't like in a different category, but also like Reed's personality is working against him when it comes to getting a cap and pick in the future. I'm going to say, unless, unless T is making the, the, the, the picks because he's taking P for sure. But who else? Is there any?

Go ahead. Oh, sorry. No, I was just going to say, is there anything out there about fellow pros like being annoyed or chuffed publicly by Horsel? No. I think there's a little dust up between him and Rory at the Walker Cup, like forever ago that he still gets asked about by some of the heroes. But I think he kind of just does his own thing largely.

I think he is kind of a not a not a lone wolf by any means, but I think he kind of just does his own thing largely. I think he is kind of not a not a lone wolf by any means, but I think he is like he works really fucking hard and just kind does it goes about his business out there. I mean, I think he's very loud and he very, you know, gregarious, like I said, I think he probably is always talking to other people, but he just seems like he mostly keeps himself. I want to ask who else on the PGA tour can get away with walking off the 18th Green at Mirafield Village and walking up to Mr. Nicholas and calling him big man. Try to do it like you out there big man. Of course, horse might be the only one that tries to get away with that.

He's got massive borderline, big man to you, irrational confidence, which is again, put him on the fucking rider cup. Like, that's my whole point. I feel like you're still living in the time period where the US was not like an assertive force in the rider cup. No, I think it's almost the opposite where it's like they're going to be so dominant now that like get these guys in there. And I know Billy's not like a spring chicken like he was in 2014, but I was saying it earlier,

and this is great because it's something that can never be proven true or false. But I think if he makes that 2014 team, I think he legit becomes like the American polter. Yeah, I think he's the only guy we have. JT's kind of been like that, but we've talked about this in the past where JT's ends up coming off very like only child vibes every now and again. And it just doesn't play quite as cool as it should. I think Billy's would come off very, very, that would be the best comp we'd have to, to be an American polter.

Yeah, I mean, I really like that. I think they lost that one, what, 16 and a half, 11 and a half. I think they probably went 19, 10 with him on that team. 19, 11, so hard of that. I think think yeah, whole hearted. There were little jibbley people. You cannot tell me that that

Horseshal for Jimmy Walker doesn't end up being a pro US points change. I yeah, but as Tom Watson said, Jimmy Walker's got that dog in him, you know, so there were people though that were like, oh, Horseshal and that team, they would want. They don't want that rider. I'm not quite going that far, but I think it would have been a massive, I will say, again, can't be proven true or false.

So I might as well just hook him that week. If he would have made that rider cup team, it would have significantly changed his career. I think I will agree with you on that. Aaron Wise quietly played some very good golf runner up finish this week and collecting a shitload of money for that one. His putting was so freaking bad last year. It was bad. Yeah. I mean, he's been putting much better. How about that?

Can't lay a sneaky T3. I'm not going to do. We're not going to list off the names. I just want to mention can't lay and Neiman before we get to the pro and yet another top five finish, costly double on 18, of course, from Max Homa, but finishes at 600 par. we get to the pro and yet another top five finish costly double on 18 of course for Max Homa, but finishes at 600 par just like it. I think we bring this up almost every week. Now it's like, yeah, he's like a friend of ours. So I don't think I fully, I'm so protective

of being overly biased for him that I've probably somehow underestimated his talent and how well he's played over the last however many months. It's really incredible. Trills, Allatura, Stenny McCarthy, Sawhith Tagala, Daniel Berger rounding out the top five. Bryson's back. So he played golf this week. It was not good. He missed cut by a mile, but I'm not here to make fun of that. I just here want to say it's good to end back in the golf world.

It's a lot more interesting when he's involved. So you're here. Two big contrarversies this week. Bring Bring him the Hadecki DQ. You can't, you know, you can't paint your the face or your three wood, I guess, who knew Hadecki, not a tourist off guy. You can't write fucking tempo on your club face, apparently. Yeah, it seems like, man, how did how did that get out of team Hadecki? You know, nobody, nobody questioned that.

And then the other one was Ram. Can I stop that one? Almost killing a laborer out there on the golf course, disgusting. Absolutely chucked a club. It almost hit the boom mic person from the ESPN Plus feature groups. Can we pause on the Sadecki thing? I need the Twitter mob to not, whenever there is a violation of a rule and a DQ,

to not automatically assume that the rules mess this one up. This is very much that Hadekki did something to his club that is not allowed. I would say I'm staunchly in favor of like, don't paint anything on the club of the space. Yes. And like, that's clearly the rule. Totally for that. And he, that's clearly the rule. Totally for that.

And he violated it and got DQ. There was way too much of like, oh, golf getting in the way of itself again. It's like, no, like this is a very clear rule that you can't. Like, this is on Hadecki for not knowing this rule, 100 million percent. He had, for those that didn't see it, he had put paint on the club to like,

help him with alignment. I don't know if he was lining the ball up wrong on there, which they make like this kind of technology in golf clubs. I don't know why you have to do this. Maybe he just really liked that club, but it was posted on Instagram somewhere. And while he was in the middle of the round, it was brought to the tours attention.

They approached him and said, if you use this club yet today, he said, yes, okay, you out of here are gone. So you are. He was not playing well anyways, but I also had a big frame in traffic. So not a good week for me. What do you guys think of, uh, I'm going to go to you first, Randy, some of the, it's been of this tournament.

Uh, many times. What do you think of the modern Mirafield Village? I think it presents itself on TV really nicely. And I'm not saying it's not nice in person but man it's difficult to walk. I never got the same I don't know if satisfaction is the right word. It just it has never really done it for me is how I would sum it up and it was a place where I'm like it's supposed to be sweet I'm supposed to like think it's sweet it's supposed to be awesome And it just says always left something a little bit

wanting for me. Growing up there, it was like the best place ever to watch golf. Like if you didn't watch golf every week, like you look forward to that week so much. There's great viewing angles. And it was a lot of what makes like an in-person experience potentially, you know, at a professional event,

a great one, right? Like I would say 90 plus percent of the people that go to this tournament don't care about like what I'll say next about it, which like also makes you say like does it really matter what what what you think of it or how it plays, but it just makes me kind of apathetic about pro golf in general, and just like boring. It's just boring golf. I think it's very boring to watch balls get stopped up in thick rough, like directly off the green. And I know this course is not like designed to play

like the style of golf courses that we like the most with the ball rolls a lot, but it is named after Mirfield for God's sake. And like that, you know, just thinking of that, how it obviously doesn't try to play anything like that, but thinking about the Jack element of that. It's like, yes, named after that, only because Jack won there, not because of like trying

to model it off that plague style. And I don't know, just feels like the nips and tux that have been made to it have not made it a better course. I think the finishing stretch is horrendous. And it just like, honestly, looks like a golf course that needs a renovation, which is ironic, considering they just had one. But in reality, it needs one from somebody not named Jack. And I think it can and should play a lot more interesting than it does.

But like what they've done with that seventh green is pretty horrendous. And that's actually one of the fuels that actually doesn't have rough surrounding the green at all spots. And I think 16 is just a boring hole to watch. 17s and abomination and 18s. Just not fun. I don't know, man. It's just it slowly and slowly. I've just fallen a little bit 18 is just not fun. I don't know, man, it's slowly and slowly,

I've just fallen a little bit out of love with it. It's incredible maintenance, like the, the security screen table. It's out of control. Like it's so good yet at the same time. It, man, I, I love, maybe it's just, I, I was screwed up because I only watched it in person and I've ever watched it on TV.

And now like watching on TV, I was kind of, eh, it's just like a TBC course that has Jack's name on it. It's one of those tournaments, I think, where my excitement tends to wane from Thursday to Sunday. I always get to Sunday afternoon, and I'm like, yeah, I don't really care. What else is on?

You know, whereas Thursday, I almost kind of trick myself into getting fired up on, like, oh, all right. Proper golf course, Iron Play. Let's do it. it. Then I watch it for I'm with you watch it for 45 minutes or whatever and I've been there many many many times and yeah, I'm just like yeah, I'm good It also makes perfect sense as to like why when we have criticisms of individual tournaments the people that go to them Always are loud and speaking up. You have no idea like you got to come and see it in person. Okay. Yeah.

It's full. It's full spectrum for me very much of like, yeah, I would have absolutely ridden for this, you know, back back in the day. And I don't know, maybe just going up against US women's opens tough to, like, I just, you can't, I can't be in two places at once trying to watch both of them at the same time. And it won't be that in the future. Thankfully that US women's opens move to July and we'll kind of have its weekend to itself. But I think it kind of speaks volumes to just the fact

that the most exciting, I think the golf course has been was when they had back to back weeks and they had the workday and they changed a bunch of teas around and they had in July. Yeah, and they like the conditions were different and I was like, but that was a blast to watch. It was. And that is so much different than what we normally see, which is just kind of lush, boring, thick rough deep bunkers. Yeah. Yeah. It was good. The chief

leather lips took a week off. He did. Good weather up in. He did. He's got cold. He's out. He's out. Yeah. He's on the aisle. That's like the only I've never been here. I've only watched it on TV like my entire life. It's the only thing I know about this course outside of this is the same course where like the deer continuously were jumping and impaling themselves. Yes. When they put their fence up around it for the, because the president's cup, they had to have the they hated the course so much. They're killing themselves. So TC and I did a crash course podcast on this last year when it was coming unveiling itself back for the memorial tournament. So if anybody wants to go listen to that,

the head superintendent and the tournament director are on talking about a little bit of the changes. And the number one thing that drove Jack to these recent renovations was to make the players, or excuse me, not players, but the members happy. So I guess trying to figure out how do you make it I guess trying to figure out how do you make it more easier, better, enjoyable walk for their membership versus they did, you know, a yearly PGA tour event. I'm sure there's some, I'll not a lot of middle ground in between there, but that's what they believe they were trying to achieve is they did that. Who knows? But the TBC comment, like I get and I agree with 100%, but I also think it's like this course

and just like every other course that we see every year on the schedule that never really changes, you're just like, okay, man, like I was kind of over it. It's definitely two things. It's the bastion of the generation of, the greener the golf courses and the harder the golf courses, the better the golf courses, I think there's a lot of that probably reflected. I don't know the membership.

You guys would know them far better than I do, but stereotyping, I would say that that probably sums up a lot of the sentiment there. And then I think the other part about it that I think just came to me is it's got a little bit of Tory Pines to it, a little bit of Bay Hill to it, where it's like, oh yeah, when Tiger's playing there, it's fucking awesome. Yeah, right. Like, it's really, yeah, it's really fun to watch Tiger play there. And what was Firestone?

What was Firestone's another great example? And watching a bunch of the, even like the highlights of him chipping in on 14, that like gross t-shirt or gross flop shop from whatever that was like 2002 or something. 2000 the one where you hold the yeah and the one where the other one on 16 where he hold the flop shot against Ricky is like oh my god what an awesome golf course because the cats there and he's hitting all these shots but yeah when it's you know William a Gert when it's like you know no no offense to our guy David Lingworth is past champion there. I feel like we'd be doing an injustice if we didn't point out his, his year that he won. Yeah, that's the little, that's going to probably get the people going a little less. Yeah. What a change of year makes though. I mean, final round last year was wrong being told like,

yo, you're out of here. That was my second, that was third round. That was Saturday round. Yeah. And can't like nobody remembers me. I win. I know. It seems like that was a long time ago, but to just to think back a year on it, it's crazy. And honestly, coming out of PGH championship, Rob's kind of making his way up on the leaderboard to outside of the shank near death experience for the poor volunteer, but you know, we'll see another person to watch out for us. I'm for sure, Brooklyn. Just a footnote for that. I don't believe it was a volunteer, but you know, we'll see another person to watch out for us. So for sure, Brooklyn just a footnote for that. I don't believe it was a volunteer because I do believe that ESPN pays the people for the feature group coverage that are carrying the speakers, but I just I don't want that

to go to I don't want that to go to Randy's five. No, I was put allegedly behind it. We're right. Well, it's another tack on labor. One of volunteers. Volunteers have to pay hazard pay if they. All right, that's enough of you guys carrying water for the PGA tour. So we'll give a shout out to our friends at rapsoto.

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It was the Andy Ogletree interview. It would know they just said a lot of good things about being able to grow the game, which you guys know has been a real passion of mine for quite some time. That's actually the only reason Randy has enjoyed. I don't even know how much they're paying me. They told me they were going to grow the game and it's where do I side. That's good enough for me.

I don't know where we're going to start with this. Is it Kevin Nah? I don't even know, man. I've been like trying to gather my thoughts for like a week. We did a very disheveled, very scattered reaction pod when the list came out and have still tried to gather my thoughts. I don't know if we start just on like a macro level, a little bit of kind of, where's everybody coming

into this conversation? Where are you feeling? What are you feeling? I think for me, I'm kind of stuck between two things, like two kind of overarching thoughts are battling in my head, I think, on this stuff. And one of them is just that this seems like it's, the product seems awful, and I'm not closed off

to the fact that it might get better and better as years go on. And we'll get to that. But as it stands right now, the product seems really, really, really, really bad. And it just seems so destined to fracture golf into like two really shitty products. And then the other thing in my head is that the PJ tours already a really shitty product. And so maybe it doesn't matter. And trying to square those two things in my head is a bit of a weird situation. It's kind of just led to an overall malaise, I think, in reaction to a lot of this stuff,

but I'm curious how you guys are feeling just on a macro level on live goal. I think that we can, for at least the majority of this, and I'm confused as well as to whether or not as we're having this conversation and the people are listening to it. If we're speaking to the same audience that the you know that has having the same conversation on Twitter, which seems to have devolved into my answer that would probably be no like based on the fact that the same what about is and things come up immediately and it becomes almost

about the conversation there almost seems to be about the rights of these players to do this versus like, hey, like can we just like take maybe like a half step back and talk about this as golf fans. Like why, like what? Why in the world would a golf fan be rooting for this? And I think the answer that might be what you're saying, like the PGA tour kind of stinks for the most part. And so at least outside of. Yeah, it has its moments, but like the structure and there's a the PGA tour kind of stinks for the most part. And so, at least outside of four to six weeks. It has its moments, but like the structure, and there's a lot of things that kind of stink about it despite us being what I was called this week, quote, a dick rider for the PGA tour, which is sick.

Which is sick. I would encourage people to continue to say those sweets. I struggled even like to find a tour who wouldn't credential us for a long time because we were so critical of them. Yeah, we're just completely dick riding Like what everything we say we should we should we've done this a pass We should just lob off random shots at the PJ tour just for fair balance for sure

Everybody has the right now it occurs you to just shoots about just interject to be the conversation So drawing this all back to like why I talk about golf or living, why I've loved and been entertained by golf for a very long time. And like none of it has to do with what they're offering out of this right now, right? Like I think drawing it way back, there is a balance between professional athletes

being paid in the entertainment value you provide us, right? Like Steph Curry has an outrageous salary, right, for the Golden State Warriors. Yet I have not one single problem with that, right? He is, it's what the market dictates and he plays as hard as he fucking can for his team, which provides fans something of interest into root for the fans are not there rooting for his bank account, but they root for the warriors. They root for that team and he gives everything to that team. That's the trade off here, right?

You're gonna make a shitload of money, that's what the market's gonna give you, yet you are gonna give us something in sports to watch and be entertained by and have some suspense in the outcome of this thing and make me invested in what the outcome is. Does any of what I just described remotely describe what we're gonna witness this week in London?

Like, none of this is a hit in giggle. Like this is like an exhibition where they're paying the players a shitload of money to participate in. Like the result does not matter at all other than like to deliver money to these guys. And that's where like, if we ignore all of the human rights stuff about it

because people wanna do call us hypocrites and pull a most crazy what about us and what that like, let's ignore that for a second. It's like, this thing's going to fucking suck for that reason alone pulling back on what makes sports entertaining. This doesn't have it. But I think like just the money wise, when you think about it too, there's so much more that like Steph Curry brings to the table outside of like putting people in the seats like winning that or you know world championships, everything else. There's merchandise sales, there's video games, there's everything else like Steph not necessarily

isn't getting a direct cut from that's coming from a salary. It's like I look at it kind of that way is like where do these guys comparing and trying to play like the free agent card and make it comparable to like US fans or international fans and make it play like that. Like, where are they getting that, that, that, like, that they're equal on both sides because it's, it's not at all. That's, I just want to make one thing clear on that though is like, I don't mean this to be an apples to apples comparison as to this golfer to this NBA player because it's different. It is different scenario. I'm just talking about what is entertaining for people watching the sport on television.

That's the comp I'm making there. Like this, this is what, you know, sports provides us. And this is what live it like the right for the players to go do this. I think it's different from like the golf fans saying, hold up here. Like, I don't like this because this is not going to be entertaining to me. Right. And I think I think where some of the disconnect comes from I was talking to Zach Belair about it today and I was kind of trying to explain like I'm trying to be very self-aware

like at least upfront about like man I know I sound like a cliche and I'm clutching my pearls and I just don't know like how else to say it because I'm trying to like understand how I'm feeling about a lot of this, but when you get into the, you know, playing for trophies versus playing for money conversation. Zach, I thought how to really good point where he's like, you know, it's like every player, whether they say it or not, like that, like playing for trophies is a luxury that very, very few players achieve, right? And right now it seems like we're in the game where Rory and JT and Spieth and Rom and those guys are cool to stand up at press conferences and say like, no, no, no, like we play for trophies

because they've already beaten so much ass on the golf course that like they're almost like have gotten to that neck. They've like leveled up to the point where they are able to say like, you know what, the money doesn't really interest us. And this is bullshit if you leave like, you know, that's not why we play. We play for trophies. And Zach's point was like, everybody kind of graduates to that. But everybody starts out like playing for money, 100%, which was a really,

I thought that was really well said. And I think we're a little bit of the disconnect comes from is a lot of these guys just like skipping that step, right? And on one hand, I'm like, Taylor Gooch, Andy Ogletree, James Piot, all these guys like, yeah, dude, does that make sense for you and your career and your bank account and your family and your generational wealth?

Like hell, yeah, of course that makes sense. I totally get why you would do it. However, you have to understand like, from my perspective, as a golf fan, to quote our, our boy, Steven, a Smith, we don't care, we don't care. We don't care. And it is very much is like, yo,

you gotta get where I'm coming from here. If just like, I don't want a fucking watch that. And it almost hit me today where it's like, you could almost sub in a lot of these like, Taylor Gucci is going to play live golf for like Taylor Gucci is becoming an investment banker. Just like, yeah, he understood like he can make a lot more money becoming an investment banker

and that's the best decision for him and his family. I'd be like, oh cool man, great call. Like I don't want to fucking watch you at your desk like making trades and kind of doing stuff. He's becoming part of the public investment fund. That's true. That's Saudi Arabia. But of the public investment fund. That's true. But it is becoming investment. You know what I mean?

It's like this weird disconnect of like, these guys are totally entitled to it. It's an offer that's on the table. It totally makes rational sense. Like, yeah, I get that man, but like, I just don't want to watch it. And I don't care. And I'm, again, I'm trying to leave myself

a little bit open to the fact that, yeah, maybe we're gonna, and Rory said this, what feels like years ago. Now, like, yeah, maybe we'll get to the point where all the best players in the world are doing this. And that's what golf is now. And we might get to that point. And I might, you know, you might almost be like, not forced, but like that might be what pro golf turns into or at least like elite pro golf. But for right now, it's like, dude, I could not outside of the chaos of it all, I could not have less interest in watching this

as like an entertainment product. It is a fucking joke. It's like a literal joke. It is taking like all the people and this, God damn, man. Like this gets us into, Tron tweeted this, but like the Andy Ogletree interview with Matt Adams, where he's like, I don't know Andy at all. He seems like a nice guy, you know,

one of US Ameter, however, however, he's going off in this whole thing about like, you know, just, the corn fairy tour is not giving me any status, which first of all, like how fucking unlike do you have to be to win a USAM and like, not get corn fairy exemptions? That's interesting in itself. Two, like, all this stuff about like going and playing mini tour events and like, oh,it corn fairy exemptions. That's interesting in itself. To like all this stuff about like going and playing

mini tour events and like, oh, I'm playing, you know, I got to pay a thousand dollars to play these events and the purses aren't even big. It's like, yeah, dude, that's what Prog Office. Like, that's the whole fucking thing. And it gets back to the age old kind of golf writer thing of like what elite player has like the system ever held back, right?

Like, if you're, if you're get it, if you're supposed to make it, you make it. And a lot of these guys have found a shortcut around that uncomfortable life, but it is a shortcut and it's not real life. It, they are complete pawns in like these guys who are bad dudes who I think has been fairly publicized. These guys are pawns in trying to reel in bigger fish.

And if they want to make, if they want to turn their career into that, where they make a bunch of money to be these like this stopgap solution for trying to take over the PJ tour, like sweet man, if that's what you want to do, go for it. But like, please don't think that I or anybody else has to like support this for some reason. Like fuck off. Have fun. Smell you. I just want to say big Randy 25. First 100 listeners can get free tickets to this weekend's event. Which is on YouTube. They don't even have a broadcast. I have the joke tight out in the agenda.

Damn it. It's no laying up 25 for a tip for free tickets. Come on. Well, they gave me my own one. Big Randy 25, that'll get you day passes this weekend. But only the first hundred, right? Yes. Yes. Listen, a couple of years ago, we couldn't even talk, like on the broadcast, you couldn't even talk about money.

And now we're supposed to like feel sorry for a bunch of people who are already like, but Jordi and we're all like multi-millionaires. And it just doesn't matter to me at all. What's the golf that we're supposed to be playing? What's this team format gonna look like? Who are we supposed to root for? What are these hideous uniforms

that they're gonna be wearing? What's actually happening this weekend? And again, I still wanna ignore the human rights aspect of this. This is all of this said nothing about that. Right. For sure. But it is hard to ignore that, but the whole thing, because the whole thing exists basically to try to make you forget about the fact these guys are bad guys.

That's why that's the reason why the money is this outrageous. This is not the market value for their golf services. It's not otherwise this would have come up in a way that makes a whole hell of a lot more business sense than this does. It doesn't make business sense because Andy Ogletree, if he goes and wins a tournament and wins four million dollars, is not delivering that level of value to the Saudi public investment fund. James Piot in his pro starts has never broken bar. Yes, Exactly. So like, I just got a seven figure signing boat is to join a professional golf tour. And think

about how fucked up it is that the strength of field for this first event is about the same as like a Bermuda, the Bermuda event for the PGA tour. And they're giving up the biggest purse in golf history. Yeah. Like there, this is an outsized placement of the market value. And where I've, why I say that is so many of the issues we have with the PGA tour and it's entertainment value. None of that comes from a place of like, man, these players need more money. Like they're not, their market is not properly served. There's no one watches the PGA tour. The ratings are horrible.

Sponsors aren't happy about it. Broadcasters are not happy about it. Yet the money keeps going up. They keep paying more money about it. Broadcasters are not happy about it. Yet the money keeps going up. They keep paying more money for it. I think it has more to do with the squeeze on the importance of live sports in the Tivo era. More than it does, like them actually deserving, like sending out a great product. And I got really wound up and I don't remember where I was going with that other than like it's not, it's what's wrong with the PGA tour is not the fact that like the players aren't making enough money.

And that's where it's like easy to get pissed off here of like those of us that have been raising our hands and said this needs to get more entertaining. There's things you need to do, you things you need to change that you're not changing. I get it, like you don't, we don't really matter in the room because you know sponsors keep writing checks

and players keep cash in the money. But if players are unhappy about how much money is going, they're getting and they're running off to do this, then like the option isn't, oh, I'm gonna watch one of these two things. It's like, okay, I'm not gonna watch either. And I'm not talking about me, the person that covers golf, but to the golf fan, it's gonna be way easier to not watch golf after this.

Yeah, I was looking at it almost like, I don't have any, I'm sure if we looked up, strength, the field stuff, and all of that with what's happened to the dude perfect world tour The Euro tour the artist formerly known as the Euro tour over the last like five years I mean how irrelevant does that tour feel now? Yeah, right? And it did not feel that way five years ago. I felt like it was a lot of and maybe that's it's hard to separate like how much of that is Personal and how much of that is is macro

But man, I don't know the last time, I mean, other than Dubai and Abu Dhabi, like when is there ever a point of viewing on the D.P. world tour, right? And especially with the Scottish now becoming like a co-sanctioned thing. But point of that is, yeah, like when there's too much going on, man, the answer is not like, well, I guess I gotta watch it all.

It's just like, well, okay, cool, I'll just watch none. If it's all diluted. Yeah. And so on one hand, it makes me a little bit optimistic that the majors will be, at least more interesting, but it also makes me pessimistic that, you know, are a lot of those people who are tuning out in week to week stuff coming back for those majors. I have no idea. Maybe that's kind of how it already is, and that kind of brings me to my original point of the PJ Tour already sucks,

and they have a very, very, very core audience who's probably going to watch it every week anyways, like Dick Riders. Dick Riders, fellow Dick Riders, who are going to watch it anyways, because that's when they take their Saturday or Sunday nap, and they probably don't even know a lot of the shit is going on in the first place, which is a whole other broadcast media conversation. But I don't know, man, it just seems like the next five, 10 years,

we have like a pretty depressing, fractured world of pro golf on our hands. And I wish there was, I wish there was better news. And I wish there was like a better product on the other side being offered, right? And like, do shotgun starts, give me excited, no. No. Same with the PGLs, shotgun start.

Like the, yeah. I'm, it doesn't seem good interest. Do teams get me excited? Yes, if you have 48, like real teams. Real, interesting teams, yes. Like, I don't know, is Richard Blan gonna be a captain of one of these teams? Like, I'm trying to figure out who the captains are.

And like, I guess he's a captain and like, Schwarzel's a captain of one of these teams. Like I'm trying to figure out who the captains are. And like, I guess he's a captain and like, Schwarzel's a captain maybe, or maybe like Whisperger, but like, damn man, you take like those guys out of the court and quote, draft, it gets pretty tough, but it's gonna be louder. Liv Golf as long as we're here is just a stupid name. I think I wanna get that on the record as long as we're going off, but so is, you know,

the corn fairy tour, so it's hard to really go off about that. I think it's really funny. Robert Gargis is not in the field after we said he was going to be kind of the bullet sponge for. Yeah, we had a feeling that that might be the case. However, I think that is interesting in itself, just with how many other PGA tour players, like probably got turned down in favor of, you know, bigger name or not bigger name,

but like a truly more like worldwide, you know, field, which I think is a whole, like this is what's so hard about this topic is like you start going into all these different rabbit holes and there's just two hours worth of conversation on like every element of this, but one part is like, if I know we said this like a year ago, but if they are truly trying to almost like start from scratch,

and if this is almost less about, you know, turning the CBS Acronohio viewer into a live golf viewer, which I kind of, like I'm starting to think it is, and it's much more about like, let's create a brand new fan with a worldwide audience and all these things. I think Taylor Gooch is the same as Davis Riley, as the same as Cameron Young,

as the same as Harry Higgs, is the same as any of these guys, like to a brand new fan, right? What's the difference? They don't have any context. They don't, all these guys are, to the naked eye, nobody, none of those viewers are gonna to be able to tell really like who's better. So it's, I don't know, the whole thing is just, it's very weird, but it's, it's

not going away. I think we're going to continue to see like more and more names at the Portland event. I think it's going to become more and more normal. Yeah. That's the whole goal. And it's like, Matt, how, you said Robert Gargis, I hadn't thought of that. Like that was like making the headlines a couple of weeks ago. So this is the man that put in, now that there's 40 plus names, like all of a sudden, that feels pretty normal. And like Winfill inevitably announces

that he's gonna be playing in this, that will feel pretty normal to that point. And you know what else? Not to, you know, not God. What a fucking hornet's nest of mentions. This even becomes, but what about China? We haven't even talked about the fact that like two of the eight events are hosted at Donald Trump's golf courses.

Like the dude who had the PGA championship pulled from his golf course, like, huh, where do you think they're going for these events? Like that's a whole other aspect that like there's so much shit piled onto this sandwich that people haven't even gotten to that layer yet. It's just, oh, it's so depressing. But in any time here, guys, where reactions, nothing, nothing to disagree with really. I, I don't have a lot to add. I think, you know, the only hope maybe is, it won't be immediate, but maybe this forces the PGA tour to kind of change their model. I don't know what that means.

I don't know what that would look like, but, you know, I guess that's a hope. I think the thing I agree with most is probably, it's really just like the majors are the only thing that matter. And you know, everybody's got their own. One, two, three, four, you know, personal tournaments that they really enjoy. Well, it's the course or maybe it's in their hometown or whatever.

I just, yeah, I, this doesn't change like my viewing experience, I guess. I mean, I'm going to miss any of these guys that are going to play live. Like, no, not really. I guess, I guess, if he, yeah, when, when he does make it official, but I don't know, man, I was like, I said it before. I'm just like, you know what? I'm a big fan of women's golf.

And that's kind of where my interest is going. And, you know, I watch the majors and whatnot, but I'll just live my life and these guys, you know, you live yours. This is where I'm going to do everybody who's like listening to this right now and say, okay, Mr. Big, like let's talk about Aramco. And they're, you know, their sponsorship of not only multiple LPGA players, but events. Oh, sure. No, no, don't get me wrong. I take no personal issue with any of these guys, cash in the checks. I, you know, I forget who was just be up front. Like,

yeah, it's the money. I want the money. Don't try to sell me the BS, you know, grow the game or golf Saudi tourism bullshit No problem with that and I think it's the same on the lady side I just don't like live for all the reasons DJ and Sully stated like from a pure just golf perspective like it Am I like Jonesing to tune into it? No, I'm good. I'm totally good. And if I can just turn that your question there, Cody, until like a question about like the kind of what

about as them in general, it's the goal, like what they have to be loving about this process is how fast it's probably a lot of bots on Twitter and whatnot. But the conversation tries to equate two things to being equal, right? Well, why do they have Ramco series on the women's tour? Like, okay, it's a different conversation if the Ramco series is like a rival to the rival league to the LPGA tour that talks about uplifting the entire structure of the LPGA

tour. I think it's a different conversation. I really, really do. And a lot of people want to try to make these things out to be the same thing. Like, why aren't you mad about the PGA tour doing business in China? That's the same thing as this rival golf tour.

Which, if it makes it easier, get rid of the WGC and try to do that. That would be great. I'll weigh in on that. Not good, China. All that stuff, not good. Not gonna swear off on every decision the PGA tour makes. Also, not gonna swear off on every decision the PGA tour makes. Also, not gonna swear off on every decision the United States government makes.

What about Uber though? As Andy, as Andy Ogletree pointed out, many, many, many times in that interview, Saudi Arabia is an ally of the United States. Listen, I have many, many, many critical things to say about the United States government as well. Like the links that people will go to try to dumb down like the actual issue with it just, it makes it's exhausting. It really, really is exhausting and it's like, it's wearing on me at this point. We're not like qualified to like have these conversations to begin with, but am I qualified to be able to say like,

hey, this is probably a bad thing. Like these people that way, way, way want to overpay for these players' services and I know why they're doing it. Like that's probably not a great thing as a golf fan sitting here. Like I'm not gonna be rooting for that. I'm gonna be brave here and be against that.

Okay, that's like the extent of where I feel about this. For anybody who like knows anything about my background and what I've done and where I've been to, it would be entirely hypocritical of me to say that I like don't have feelings and views and deep thoughts on what life is doing and what they're trying to do. It's hard, it puts me in a weird position

because me, Cody, normal Cody, I'm like, this fucking sucks, man, but at the same time, big, I'm right there with you. If you tell me this is for the money and this is what you're going to do, I'm right there with you. Like, if you tell me this is for the money and like, this is what you're going to do, like, I'm kind of okay with it, man. Like, go do that. Do I think it's like the best decision?

Could you go make that money somewhere else? Maybe, probably, but is it gonna take you a little bit longer? Maybe some hard work, a little bit more luck? Sure. I just don't want to hear the BS tied behind it of growing the game or any tourism bullshit or anything else like that second part this week and We talk about bots and and what the what about what about is them and everything else

I cannot wait to see the onslaught because in order for this sports washing thing to actually like take place Number one you either have to get people to the event, which they're charging outrageous amounts for. Or just put in one of the promo codes. Shaddy forever saying you can get it like just dozens and dozens of free tickets. If you use any of those promo codes, which is a big Randy 25. A check out. Second part is you have to be able to watch the coverage and that's on YouTube. And you're going to see like people are going to show their cards pretty quick this week when you see like this onslaught of inst like influencers who are just

shelling out this links and who they're promoting it and it's going to become the wild wild west of like whoa, where did you come from? What are you doing? Why are you doing this outside of like, you just got like a fat sack of cash like. So two, where I'm gonna draw the line on this is if they use the YouTube countdown music to go into the floor, I'm gonna lose my shit. I agree with you. That shit is fire and it is meant for stuff like Taurus sauce and if they use that, then I'm gonna lose my shit DJ. Man, you kind of derailed me there.

Two things I was gonna say. One, Cody, I agree with you. I think that the one mistake, oh, there's many mistakes people can and have made in this whole conversation, but I think one of the biggest ones would be like putting too much weight on how this event goes. And even like it's, I think it's very fun to make fun of the idea that it's on YouTube, but I also get why they're doing it because they're trying to stand this up as quickly as possible. And obviously any network that would take this on is already, you know, planned out their programming like years and years in advance and it's like the rush in this thing.

Yeah, it's almost like the rush in it. But I think one, it like, let's see what they do next year, almost from a broadcast standpoint, because I think this first year is just going to be very much bootstrapped. Like, we don't really care who's watching. It's more about just getting tournaments going and as fucked up as it is, like getting real money into these players bank accounts. So they tell the other players that they're actually getting paid and all of those things

and try to draw more people in. And two, on that note, I wonder, man, I wonder how many of these dudes are looking at what the FedEx Cup season is. We're getting like towards the end of the PJ tour season FedEx Cup bonus time is a ton of money. I wonder how many of these guys are just like, yo, let's get through the FedEx Cup. Let's get as much bonus money as I can. And I will see you live golf January 2023, man.

Let's fire it up. I think there's probably a lot of people in that camp as well, which is again, what worries me. I don't think it's gonna be a total exodus from the PJ tour, which is where I keep coming back to this like, man, it just seems like we're gonna have two shitty products. It, listen, I will be there, not actually in person, but I will be there on Thursday when this broadcast goes live to be dunking on this. I will be there for that. Okay. This is going to be open season. It's going to be a turkey shoot. It's going to be very easy.

But this this week will be the worst of all of it. I would say the fields are probably only going to get better. The production is only going to get better. The format in some way will evolve. Like it's just going to be. It just has to. Like it, it, there's just too much. Once that the money actually be, you know, gets paid to these guys, whatever the catch is and there's going to be a catch and it sounds like there are some catches already in terms of what guys can wear, what they have to wear when they play in majors, even if they join this league, the media obligations, you know, hobnom with fans inside the ropes, all the things that are the catch up with this

much money is going to come. But I think they're going to be easy on whatever those catches are before they start getting the bigger and bigger names into it. And I think there will be bigger names as this goes along. This is, you know, just is the field this week, a total joke. It is the DJ poll was freaking enormous, man. It would have been so easy to make. It's going to be easy to make fun of, but holy shit, if they didn't have him, they

would have absolutely nothing. Whatever they paid for him, I hate to say it was worth it, but like it saved them going into this first event. Yeah, totally agree. Which I believe you didn't think Kevin Nah was gonna carry the bucket for him. No, he's definitely carrying the bucket for him, just, you know, not with fan popularity.

And I don't even know if, nice use the word fan, by the way, not fans. God, that was such an own goal. To the fan. Let's, why don't even know if nice use the word fan by the way not fans. God, that was such an own goal to to the fan. Let's why don't we dive into this one. This was tweeted by Kevin, not 1050 on Saturday. He said to my fan. Incredible. Also, just love using like your notes app to, uh, to, you know, retire from the PGA tour.

Anyways, for 19 years, I've played on the PGA tour and I have loved every minute of it. I appreciate the platform the tours provided me to play the game that I love and for the opportunities that have come with it. Recent developments in the professional golf world have given me a chance to reconsider my options. I would like the freedom to play wherever I want

and exercising my right as a free agent gives me that opportunity. However, to remain a PGA tour player, I must give up my right to make these choices about my career. If I exercise my right to choose where and when I play golf, then I cannot remain a PGA tour player without facing disciplinary proceedings in legal action from the PGA tour. PGA tour player is huge. The right to choose. I am sad to share that I've chosen to resign from the PGA tour. This has not been an easy decision and not one I take lightly. I hope the current policies change and I'll be able to play on the PGA tour again. For now, please keep an eye out for Liv Golf. It's an exciting new product. And I hope

you'll enjoy the buzz. It brings to golf. I'm thrilled to begin the next chapter in my career, starting next week at the inaugural live invitational series event. And I hope you'll continue to support. You know, one word comes to mind. Dick Rider. What do you read that note? I think, God, you should type up a note's reply. Just like, cool, man. Yo, but low key, like I at least respect this move of like, I'm not going to try to have it both ways.

Like I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm resigning from the PGA tour. The people that are forcing the issue and like not willing to part, you know, you know, not willing to abide by the rules that they've agreed to with the PGA tour. The people that are forcing the issue and not willing to part, you know, not willing to abide by the rules that they've agreed to with the PGA tour to try to have it both ways. I have a bigger problem with and Kevin not resigning from the tour. Sure. Maybe there's no tear.

Maybe. Yeah, it also seems like it's trying to play like glowing brain chess on like, you can't fire me, I quit. I'm legally immune on all this. Like, I don't know what is there were some great quotes from his fellow tour players out at Memorial and a golf ad just article that were like, yeah, I don't really know what he was doing. Like, yeah, I guess I wish I wish him luck. But yeah, I don't really know why I did that.

Aiman Lynch tweeted is that other live players will like Kevin, I'll probably resign their PGA tour memberships, which means they can't be suspended, but would lose, just lose their status. That in turn removes the most likely basis on which the USGA might have prevented them from playing the US open this month. So if the USGA wanted to ride with, PGA tour, of course, does not discuss, disclose, disciplinary actions, but if they wanted to suspend Kevin Nah, I guess what he's saying is the USGA would say, okay, we adhere to PGA Tour Suspensions. And therefore, Kevin Knock and I'll play.

Yeah. Right. Seems like some loophole creating. It also seems like if you, it's for that one week or maybe even like the open championship, it seems like a big play. Feels a little bit like the Michael Scott. I declare back. You can't just yell it. big play. Feels a little bit like the Michael Scott I declared back.

A little bit. You can't just like yell it. That doesn't like mean it. I don't know. Randy, you mentioned something earlier about the the PJ Tour business model, which I would love to dive into not necessarily because I, you know, know what I'm talking about, but more from the perspective of, I just think it's worth mentioning from a kind of, how did we get here? Perspective, I feel like the tourist business model is one of those things, you know, even when I worked there as far back as when I started kind of being involved in the world of pro golf.

It's one of those things that always looked like so shiny and bulletproof and like the gold standard of like these guys figured it out. And then honestly until the last couple of months has been like a true, what if they shot you in the face situation to me? Where it's like, dude, it is so rock solid from a way the business model works.

They sell their media rights, then they work with these umbrella sponsors, and then they give part of the money back to the networks as far as pre-sold ads. And then they give the other half to the tournaments, and then they're giving all this money to charity, which keeps them tax-free. But none of the charity money even comes through their books. And it's just like this unbelievably brilliant setup, unless like the players leave. It's like, what if they shot you the face? And that's where it has come to this point

over the last couple of months here where like, I keep just getting this dumb look on my face when people ask like, you know, what should the PJ tour do? It's like, I have no fucking idea, man, because of the way they are set up, and because there are 501c6 trade organization, which means they have to treat all their members equally, which means they are hamstrung by like all these things

that have basically allowed them to be so successful in the past, you know what I mean? And so it's one of those things that like the whole system looks so bulletproof until a bullet gets through, and then it becomes a bit of a death star situation where it's like, oh no, the one bullet got in and the whole thing's about to blow up. And it's just, it's wild.

So I don't know, I don't know what the next step is other than, like, truly. I don't know if you blow it up and like, re-incorporate as like a for-profit entity and then you can kind of pay stars more what they're worth. I just, I have no idea, man. And it's just, it's just really, really worth mentioning that like, we did the whole Breakaway Tours podcast. I would recommend everybody go back and listen to that. But I mean, this shit has been going on since,

for like 30 years, right? I mean, since Greg Norman literally, I mean, the whole thing sounds like a novel at this point, like, true, like literally, Greg Norman back for the crown after having his face rubbed in the mud. It's like the Northman.

I would recommend people check up the North. Uh, Rainie, did you watch the Northman ever? No, I haven't yet. Maybe tonight, maybe. Spoiler alert. Yeah, he comes back to kick some ass. But they, uh, even go back to 1994, there's a great LA Times article I would recommend people look up. The PJ tour has had FTC monopoly investigations going on all the way back to then when Greg Norman wanted to

form this world tour and had all the same complaints. What do you mean? If I, you know, if I fulfill my 15 events, like, why can't I go over here and play more events and how are you able to keep me, even though I'm an independent contractor, all this stuff? And that investigation just kind of like weirdly went away. Again, I would encourage people to go read that article, but it was a lot of like Tim Fincham kind of like go into Capitol Hill and just kind of making it disappear is the implication of the article,

which doesn't seem like the strongest kind of legal standing for this thing. But it's kind of the Saudis thing to make things disappear. Right, exactly. Yeah, that's arm move. But even since then, it's kind of the Saudis thing to make things disappear. Right, exactly. Yeah, that's our move. But even since then, it's not like there have been like structural changes, right?

Like all that has happened, like I think it's been very, very clear for literally three decades, almost, that like, oh my god, this is our biggest weakness. And we just need to keep shoveling as much money as possible at these players to the point that like hopefully they never, you know, I don't want to say wake up, but hopefully they never like understand, you know, that that's where the liability is. It's like keep building the wall or the mode, if you will, and like make it as impenetrable as possible.

And like maybe the strength, you know strength of the army below is able to breach the wall in some way though now. Like no matter how high they make the wall, like somebody might be getting in. And that's where you look back now again, hindsight, but you look back now at the creation of the WGC's and the creation of the FedEx cup and the way purses have just spiraled out of control and the way that they have opposite field events and the way that they have elevated events and the way that they have done just this, this, this, it's just whack-a-mole of just how do we get more and more and more money to these guys? And it just makes so much more sense, looked at from like a 30-year picture, right? And now,

oh god, it just seems like that army is kind of like broken contain. And I really don't know how you get them out. I would like to, of course, at this, this is the point in the conversation, when we bring attention to a proposal that's been made to the PGA tour, to, you know, restructure their format into what would be something that would be the way you get the army out is by having players tweet some pre-crafted tweets. That's it. Yeah. Uh, but a, uh, a, there is a proposal out there that the premier golf league would like the PGA

tour to independently value and put that option in front of players. And I think that is like kind of where I've concluded as to that is the me like I don't like what's going on. I don't think it's fun. It's not fun to talk about. It's you know, it's not going to make for more entertaining golf immediately. But maybe it strips this thing down to the point that the tour has to change big time how they do their sport.

And it has to maybe be a point where there's these strength of field clauses in television contracts and in the FedEx cup in general that I believe are rooted in how many of the top, I don't know if it's 50, top 75, top 100. However many of the top blah, blah, blah players in the world leave the PGA tour is what gives networks and sponsors out clauses on their current contracts. So if it's set in another way, if the field gets bad,

the networks can get out. They can. And that is where the whole structure of the tour falls apart, because they don't have the money that comes in from the from the army breaching the interchange. Correct. And then you are forced to change. Maybe that's like a painful ripping the bandit off way off of getting into something that if it's not the premier golf league, looks and sounds and smells like the premier golf league. That is teams and a totally different format. And we see the start, we know exactly who's going to play 18 or so weeks of the year.

All the reasons that makes sense to consolidate the top level of pro golf. Maybe that's what we get out of this. I know it. It in the public space, it is how far, how easy it is to have been dunking on the PGL and what they've been going on, how different that is from the, how easy it is to have been dunking on the PGL and what they've been going on, how different that is from the conversation that I believe is happening at the ground level. That gap is wide. It's very wide. I think we've, you know, I've done all we can to bring shine a light on that.

And it's not getting through to a lot of people. I'm not saying it's not without flaws, but it seems like the best possible thing for me as a golf fan, I would think just as somebody that likes watching this sport, that's that going that path is the best hope out of this scenario. I agree. I mean, I don't know how much we, I don't know how much we want to talk about the hop mic situation on the PJ tour this week, but there was like a, I feel so like voyeuristic even, even talking about this, but. Hey, they put it out there for you, buddy. It's so weird that it was out there, but there was like a Rory McAvoy on the range video that the PJ tour posted, which again is like, dude, you're bugging your own generals, man,

and just like, just putting the intel out there. Cody, I'm not an army guy, but I assume that's a no-no. But they, yes, they had a microphone, like right next to Colt Nost and Rory McElroy. I didn't even like see anybody posting about this. I don't know if anybody did, but there was a microphone close enough to those guys to like hear what they're talking about. And it was supposed to be just a fun like watch Rory warm up, but instead it was like Rory talking about the Saudi stuff and they're talking about broadcasters who got paid and who said no and who said yes.

And Rory's like, you know, it's hard to make everything out but the one thing that I did hear him say on there is like we need to sit down and figure out how to get all of this money inside the PGA tour rather than like rather than fighting it off and trying to you know, fight off all these outside agencies like work work with whoever has all this money and get it inside the PJ tour like that's the only way forward which I think it's a very succinct kind of way to say it I know that's overly simplified and there's there's ways to go about that that are are differing but I don't know man I mean, that seems like the road ahead. To you, to Cody and Randy here, I hope we're not putting to sleep by, by us, Randy, either questions you have or questions you think the audience has based on,

on this conversation to this point. I think this is a prime example of like the PGA tour and their, their high walls and the moat that protects them that's gonna come back and bite them in the butt. Not only PGL, but I'm sure live or SGL, what it was previously referred to as have all attempted to have meetings with the tour and wanted to attempt to play ball, whether it's directly with the PGA tour,

like that PGL tried to do, or through the DP World Tour, which the SGL tried to do. And at some point in time, there's like the PGA tour, it's like a big janga game and like the pieces are starting to crumble. And unfortunately on the other side, like is this product that we're going to see any better? Or are we not the product anymore? What is the product? What do people care about

right now? And I think that opens up a whole interesting thing too, where, you know, what I'm almost looking forward to is like once, so there's going to be a bunch of legal ramifications of all of these, you know, releases being denied and players going anyways and all of that stuff, which I, you know, obviously we'll have to leave to someone much legally smarter than than I am, but let's say that it goes through where, you know, some court rules that like the PJ tour can't decide when and where players play outside of the PJ tour. What happens with something like, like, I don't know if you guys saw tweets like going around about like the JP McManus program, right? Has like fucking a bunch of the top 10 like players of the world. Drank the field and like half PJ tour event. And what stops, you know, the people at Cabot Links from having an exhibition with, you know,

5, 10 guys, what stops somebody, you know, Charles Schwab at Nanea to have five, 10 guys come out there. What stops some, you know, somebody in Texas from doing another one, like, there's almost like this secondary tertiary, like, fragmentation that can go on, you know, like, like, like, why does an Amazon create an eight event? Totally series to be broadcast exclusively on Amazon. Right. It's just only prime members, but for, yeah. And like dude, that probably would be pretty damn entertaining.

Like I think that's not set up by the people that this one is set up by that, you know, but it's gonna prevent, like that. It's been said by top players, like Saudi is brand suicide, right? So no matter what, some of these guys are not going to go. So no matter what, we are not going to have the best players in the world consolidate there, right? That's another big reason to not be in on this, right?

However, if it's a breakaway league that Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk is funding is a different conversation, a million percent, basically because of the possibility that all the best players could consolidate. But what I worry about in that scenario, and what I'm starting to like worry about more and more, is that it's just, it's not just that. It becomes, you know, all on April 15th, we've got a Saudi event. And then on April 30th, we've got a Bezos event. And then June 1st, we've got a PJ Tour event. And then over here in July, we've got, you know, the big money classic, whatever that's going on. And then over here, you know what I mean? It just like, that's when it just turns into boxing.

And it's like, oh, I don't know, man, there's, there's 18 different world championship belts and nothing means anything except for the majors, hopefully. Which will be interesting. Like Kevin Nostre saying, like, I'm no longer, I'm not even an attempt to play a PGA tour event So I'm just going to play this live like the live schedule and I guess majors and wait and see what their stances on all of them like usj you can say anything next week about like all these people playing in London before you like going to Brooklyn, like, where's the RNA going to be at and all this and like, which is a whole other thing that. Well, and yeah, I'm glad you said that. I don't know if you're going to say a lot of this, but what triggered it was, what is the product anymore? And I think

one of my biggest frustrations with men's golf is, by and large, I just don't find the actual golf that appealing anymore and the style of play itself And so I just think there's been this void of leadership to maybe address You know, God you've had Jack and Tiger and and so many others talk about the ball, right and Rolling back the ball and what can they do with equipment to kind of make? right? And rolling back the ball and what can they do with equipment to kind of make the most talented golfers stand apart from the pack even more? That's where it's like you bring in the RNA and the USGA and the and the and the tour itself and the PJ of American. You just have all these bodies, but when when really important issues are at hand, it's I don't trust all of them to work together in an interest to further just the game of professional golf.

So I don't know. Here, here. I think that is so well said. I'd say go back to 2018 podcasts that we did with it, we're like pointing this out of like, yo, there's like an equipment thing going here and an entertainment thing that's going wrong in golf. And like, if you have a monopoly here and, or you don't have anyone challenging anything going on here and we're not a lot of people were screaming that at the top of their lungs that we were back in the day. And now all of a sudden,

like the threat is there, they're outside the gates. Which just goddamn, like, nothing makes me more frustrated than vividly, especially in 2017, 2018, just the smartest responses from people all across the golf industry. Whenever we'd put those podcasts up, the response was always, you guys a watch. You got, yeah, but you know, you love it, you'll watch.

Thorm like, 15 different people at 15 different places. It's just like, dude, fuck you, man. How are you missing the point? Like this has to start with the product at some point. Otherwise, like the whole house of cards falls apart. It has to. The counter side of it and like where I'm thinking at the whole time is, you know, the Arizona state kid,

like from Spain, he's not gonna get a ton of starts, like on the challenge to our European tour, gets this like he's going to go play in some live events as an amateur still and then prop more than likely next year after he's done with this final year at Arizona State. We'll turn pro and play for a ton of monies, but he's getting guaranteed starts now. And I think that's where we always talked about like the biggest threat for them is yeah, you got to get your superstars. But like you start targeting like the next generation that's coming up.

Like that's where you're going to destroy what we know of the future of professional golf right now. And that's exactly what they're doing. As long as the world ranking stuff works out. True. Because like you still have to be able to get into majors and all that stuff. And who knows? Like the world rankings is a whole other, you know, thing you could do a two hour podcast about. But like the power brokers of that are have a million conflicts of interest in all of this stuff. And who knows what levers they're gonna pull.

And that's where it gets super not fun because it's gonna get settled in court. Yeah. Like that is not gonna be fun. Like it's gonna be dragged out forever. It's gonna be a million different opinions about a million different things. And it's just not, it's not going to be a fun dramatic reveal on these things. Right. We're going along here. I do want to get to a couple of things that were, you know, did you guys see the, the talking points that the Friday tweeted out about that, that were sent out to players to, to keep an eye out?

I actually think like some of the key point, the key messages that were kind of forced into or, you know, kind of being pushed upon the players to communicate. Hard press to disagree with any of them. One being that we will unlock the sports untapped worldwide potential and grow the game's audience to the next generation. Huge. Randy, thank you for that, man. Should probably try to do that. It's massive.

The role. There's one thing I think we can all agree over the last 10 years. As I felt golf is too small, I go out to the golf course. I don't see enough people playing. It's too easy to get T times. I'm playing too quickly. We need more people. The only thing I would build on there, Randy,

is that the people who don't get enough credit for that boom are the very smart executives that really helped put people there. You know, I think it had nothing to do with the pandemic. I think it had nothing to do with people being stuck inside and just basically forced to go play golf as the only recreational activity available. I think it was campaigns. I think it was organized, organized tactics, places like the USGAP, J.

of America, all those people, I feel like really knocked it out of the park and really built the game up to what it is now. Would you agree with that? Make golf your thing. Oh, no pee. Oh, no pee. The role of golf as an entertainment product is critical to the overall participation of the sport. And we are offering a healthy dose of innovation with a new format that has opportunity to engage existing audiences and attract new news ones

across a broader global footprint, typo in the talking points there. They're moving fast. I was kind of like, yeah, you know what? Like that, that makes a lot of sense. Do I think like their way of getting there is going to be the best way. But no, but that's it. That's tweeted out by the Friday. If you want to, if you want to see that. But Jerry Foltz, leaving golf channel, go get that Saudi money. That was, that was tough. That was tough news to hear there. But do you guys feel differently about like media personalities going to do this versus players? I don't know they're the spokesman's for it. Of course. Yeah. I Man

It's a really really really tough one and it's one of those that like I feel very very confident and I'm not trying to Virtue signal or or have moral high ground like if straight up like if they offered us to go work for that I very confident all of this would say no So I feel pretty strong in my position of just like yeah, I wouldn't like go carry their water Like that would not make me feel very good someone like Jerry Foltz who's worked really fucking hard Very thanklessly covering the women's game doing an exceptional job it like a sport, covering it like exactly the way that it deserves to be covered, has probably gotten woefully underpaid and underappreciated, and look man, if that's his chance to cash in and get payback

for a lot of the like really, really hard work he did, it's hard to overlook that too. So, as a fan, I'm fucking bummed because I love watching Jerry Foltz and I think he does an exceptional job and I think he the women's golf broadcast. I mean, we've talked about this a lot, but like they don't have a lot of resources, man, and it feels very, very bare bones. And it relies so heavily on the talent of the talent, right? And and how good those on course reporters are and Jerry's really freaking good. And I'm very bummed he's he's not going to be around.

A horrible week to kind of have it all come out. Yes, he was in the pre-production calls for the US women's open. It's that the largest purse ever for women's professional golf. And somebody that he was expected to be here on the live broadcasting entire weekend for this to to kind of come and I wouldn't want to say like overshadowed the event But definitely was a vein through this week's activities like it sucks man, especially like I know that's the last thing that Jerry ever wanted But these are real life reactions to the decisions that you make yeah, like welcome to it It's not like Jim nance who carries the water for CBS sports,

and we can complain to him and he can say that you don't know the difference between contracts or hard cameras or soft cameras or anything else. Jerry's going to work directly for this organization. Like there is no middleman. Yeah. It's well said. Randy, how do you feel as someone who probably watches the most women's golf? Not that he only has women's golf. I mean, he does golf channel stuff too, but yeah, he would do corn fairy and whatnot. No, it stinks. You know, I think he's been at it like over 20 years. It's just you lose a ton of institutional knowledge.

Professionalism, like you said, it's a shame. But I've heard, you know, let's say he's making significantly more money and working like less than half the time. It's who's going to say no to that? You know, well, yeah, what would we say no to that? Because I was challenged with that on Twitter this week's when I was asked if you know, if you guys were offered $30 million from Liv would take it price. And I said absolutely fucking not and I had a bunch of people try to call me out and say yes you would, yes you would, which is the sickest burn. It's a sickest burn because it's actually a reflection of you more than it is.

More than it is us. No, we would definitely take it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, I don't have a soul. I like you would be would definitely do it. I guess I have to we have to explain again, I might be the disconnect between people listen to this show two hours in and Twitter. But like if I have to explain like how the authenticity of like what we say on this podcast is the whole value

of it and how how fast that goes when you take Saudi money, if I have to explain that, then we're probably just not five on the same wavelength. But not only that, or like, okay, real quick, from that outsider's point of view, who you guys graciously welcome me onto the team. But like the fact, this is a completely independent, like media organization. Like you're not tied to anybody else, like any other big podcast or anything else,

you don't answer to anyone. So why would they think? We're not chasing the back, you like anywhere else. Why would people think like, oh, yeah. Well, we just put it this way. Do you know how easy would be to make so much more money than we make? You're right now.

For sure. Like, it would be so easy. It would be so easy. And yeah, like, don't tempt us, guys. Don't tempt us. Plus you want to, you know, about 15 more ads in this podcast. You say I do have a number. So if anybody from the outside, he is listening.

Hi. Do you guys want to get get to any questions? Are we about about wrapped? I think this is this is close to a record question. Two questions. Yeah. For Randy. Burner of edges.

So as Bryson fully out of the live crew, it seemed like his name was all over the rumors a few months back and now he's almost never mentioned. I think there's a second wave. I think there's a second wave. Yeah, I would say you were saying... There's a Delta variant. There's a Delta variant.

There's a Delta variant. Reassess next January. I would put Bryson... How I think of him. I would put him in that category. Safe for this year, but who knows long term. Readin between the lines a little bit on some of Bryson's recent quotes, it seems like being hated has taken a big toll on the big golfer.

He seems very aware of, like, man, people are not vibing on me. Last couple of years, he is a YouTube content creator. Like, you see him was transition. Great fit for him. But yeah, I wonder if I wonder how much of that played in here. Beatonk three with all the upfront money being paid to these guys, just to play the live series. What, where is their motivation to actually play good golf? I'm under no illusions that spectacular golf was going to be played.

But DJ already has double his career earnings before he hits a shot. Let me add a wrinkle to that, which is, have heard from multiple sources now, unconfirmed, but have heard it from multiple people that a lot of these guys are basically getting advances. I can't confirm that anywhere, but I think it's different. It's been floated, yeah. Person to person, yeah. Even like I think some of it has been, But I think it's different. It's been floated, yeah. Person to person, even. Like I think some of it has been, yes, we'll give you X amount of guaranteed millions of dollars

and then you'll, all of your earnings on top of that are gravy on top of that. Like go knock yourself out, play well and make as much as you can. And I've heard from some guys, it's a true like advance. So if we'll give you $10 million and until you make $10 million on the golf course,

you're not gonna start earning more money on the golf course, you're not going to start earning more money on the golf course. So I think, again, we can't confirm kind of how that shakes out, but if that's out there, I think that, you know, that makes the whole conversation very interesting. However, sorry, I'm rambling a little bit. The last thing on that, if there's a second wave of guys playing, who knows what's going to happen with the PJ tour? If you end up like getting banned again, it seems unlikely, but there's a possibility that a lot of these guys are operating within a pretty fucking small window And that's the other part of this whole conversation that gets fairly overlooked is right now There's what 250 200 guys

That that play regularly on the PJ tour. We're talking about a quarter of that like cutting that down You know these guys that like to talk about capital P, capital O playing opportunities, those are disappearing very, very quickly if this is the route that you choose to go. And if you don't play well, you're gonna be out on your ass very, very quickly. And so the earning potential for a lot of these guys is probably pretty limited to, you know,

it might be one season, right? And so to that question of like, is the motivation there? If man, if I was them, I would hot take. If I was them, I'd try to earn as much money as I could. It sounds like B-Tongued 3's never been a salary employee in his life. Oh, it's Brandon Tonkovich.

It's our guy from Bandon. I play golf. You're supposed to like show up and like do your best. And if you don't, man, like you kind of get shit canned. It's not like DJ is the most personal dude ever. He's not like, you know, bringing dudes in and like, I don't know, hosting a bunch that I would say like a fill. And when we get to that point, would be like, I'm sure he's, you know, fill loves hamming

it up with everybody. Like I just don't see DJ out there like, you know, rounding the troops up and being like, all right, guys, let's go, you know, meet these 20 shakes down the road because we got to keep them happy. Yeah. Last question from David Easton 15. Will you guys be discussing live golf results on the pod? Once the events start, you usually cover golf events from other tours in the roundup. So will these events slash players get a mention or are they off limits? Big shout out to Aiman Lynch for his line of, you know, our journalists only supposed to cover wars that they agree with, which I think is pretty, a pretty good summation of how I feel about

this. Like, yeah, some of the world's best. If Dustin Johnson is like playing in a golf tournament, I think it's fairly relevant. I think it's hard to take it serious as a golf competition initially. That may change. And that's where I'm like, I don't think we need to get whatever we'll see how we go. We sound a dick rider. Yeah, hopefully. We're still waiting for the number to come in. But the, you know, if maybe not a birdies and bogies conversation like, what do you think of pumpkin rips? That's really great. I'm a strategy, the 14 the 14 pole. But I think from a like it's the wildest, weirdest, most significant thing that's happened to pro golf in,

I don't know, 30 years since the last time it tried to happen. So like, it seems like a bears mention. I think listen, we've just spent a 65 minutes talking about it. I think we're going to mention the leaderboard after the first event, which was 65 more minutes more than Randy wanted to do. So I think we're going to we're going to get him out of here and let him get to get to his movie tonight. But anything else you guys have before we wrap, how could you possibly have anything more to say? I don't know. Thanks for indulging me. It's been great. It's a therapeutic topic. It's been, it's not been great. It's exhausting.

I'm ready to go to bed. I'll say it's interesting. Right. It's, it's, if nothing else, it's not been great. It's exhausting. I'm ready to go to bed. I'll say it's interesting, right? Right. It's, if nothing else, it's interesting. All talking to you guys is interesting and fun about it. Like dealing with it online a week to week has not been fun. It's not, yeah.

It's what I think the hardest part about this whole thing is and I said this earlier, I know, but like, you can't have the conversation about it. Like it would be very, it'd be much easier to like be in a bar and be like, yeah, you hear about the Saudi thing, like, fuck that. I'm against it. Case closed. But like, it's so not that simple.

And you dive into one finger of this thing and it's a, it's a 45 minute conversation. And then there's another finger that's a two hour conversation. And like, that's what we've been doing for two years now. And it's still hard to, it's still hard to like organize your thoughts and even get it all out. So will you guys be watching the plumbers and firemen on Thursday? I'll fire it up. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I mean, we're going to be flying up to Grand Rapids anyway for an awesome event with the no laying up crew. So mind as well. Excellent event this weekend, by the way, with the thirst bucket at the mines and Grand Rapids

with the Friday crew, a collab event DM to collab. Very, very, very much looking forward to that. Looking forward to seeing you guys. You know, it's always a big occasion when I get invited onto the main pod, but there's two things that I can't believe you didn't cover. And that's the match. And number two, Brooks's wedding, man.

They had ludicrous. ludicrous was there. Yeah, we're gonna do a special episode on that later this week. So that's actually a sick, I'm not a big Brooks guy. That's a sick move. Luda killed it for about eight years there. He's got a lot of hits. That be, he's a perfect wedding.

True triple threat also. Out there, out there. Sacting music. You know, others. All right, let's wrap it up that. Thank you everyone for listening for this long. Thank you guys for being here tonight. And we'll see you back here this time next week.

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