No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 576: John Deere + LIV Portland Recap

Episode Date: July 4, 2022

JT Poston wins his second PGA Tour event with the John Deere Classic in the Quad Cities while Branden Grace, and the four aces, win at the LIV event in Portland. First, we hear from TC who was on site this week for the Deere and take stock of the event's future vs the increasing number of elevated events. Then, we head to Pumpkin Ridge for the second LIV event for the good, the bad and the ugly from Portland.  We also take a deep dive into the brewing OWGR battle for the LIV players, the implications of the response from the majors, changes to the PGA and KFT tour schedules and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Lang of podcast. Your favorite substitute teacher, the Baluga Icarito. Neil is here. Join by my steam colleague, DJ Pai Husky.

How are you DJ? Hey, I'm doing great. Neil, great to be with you in the Kill kill house, looking you're right in the eye. Right now, I can see you're nervous about the intro, but I think you're doing a great job so far. Listen, we're just trying to steer the ship here. Sali is on a little well-earned VK this week. He's out west, homesteading.

We also have Mr. TC here. TC, I have one question for you. What's going on in Utah? It's a great question, you know. It's a great question. A lot of strange things going on right now. We'll get to that later. How are you as well?

I'm good. I'm gonna call you Coach Presbo. That's a good catch. Today. I'm good. No, I'm good. I, you know. Remember when Presbo freaked out and shot that catch? That's the, I'm good. I, you know, remember, President freaked out shot that guy. That's

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Gentlemen. A little shocked. Calloway is not buying a win ad to sing the praises of me and Harry the Lerger getting an asses at the Thursday game, but that's another matter for another time. Well, I would shout out the the jaws raw wedges too. Lots of good stuff. Good stuff. But, I would shout out the, the jaws raw wedges too. From, lots of good stuff. Good stuff. But we, we'll get to that later in the show. Uh, all right, let's get to it. The, the fifth major TC, we'll start with you.

John Deere recap. JT Post and wins wire to wire at 21 under. Two other wire to wire winners this year. Who are they? Oh God. Like last week or two weeks ago, right? Shit. I don't know why she told us. Well, there's three. So there's Cant week or two weeks ago, right? Shit. I don't know why she told us.

Well, there's three. So there's Cantley and Zander at Zurich. That doesn't count. Okay, yeah. Joaquin. Oh, of course. Of course, of course. At Genesis.

Yeah. I don't know about a couple of weeks ago. I don't think did someone go wide or wide or recently? And then this was the third one? This is the third one. Okay. Maybe I was. How about that?

Good for the postman. Yeah. Great for the postman. One in 2019 2019, wind him second win on tour, which like when he gets hot, it's, it's wild. He gets so hot. Yeah. He's like, he's like Nick Van Exel or Eddie House or like JR Smith. Like he is in Fuego. I mean, the wind him one, like he played 72 holes without making a bogey, which is insane. But yeah, like he's just holes without making a bogey, which is insane. But yeah, like he's just good on these birdie fest events.

It was, I was up there earlier this week. It was a little firmer than it's been in years past. I was gonna say the greens had a little tinge of brown to them. Yeah, the weather's cooperated this year up in the Quad cities. I think there's, you know, not quite as much rain kind of within the tournament window. They did have a couple of rain delays this week,

but, you know, nothing like biblical or anything like that. You had a lot of short grass around those greens too. I was kind of shocked. It's a proper course. You gotta hit the fairway. Like it's driving accuracy is a big thing out there. And then there's a lot of risk for wardhules. There's a, there's that great short par four.

Couple really, really cool par fives with, you know, kind of a lot of short grass up front there. Some different mounting up there. It was a delightful delightful on-site experience. You know, I think I'll be the first to say like it's for the casual golf fan. It's probably not at the top of your list to watch. But from an on-site viewing experience. Watch on TV. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But from an on-site viewing experience. Watch on TV, that is. Yeah, yeah. But from an on-site viewing experience, it great build out, Freddie loved it, the tractors were on-site, it was awesome. And it's just one of those things where like a bunch of guys

are showing up five, six, seven, eight weeks in a row right now trying to keep their cards for next year. So there's kind of that midfield battle, you know, trying to play the game within the game a little bit. Which I was gonna say, not gonna beat around the bush, let's just get out ahead of this bad field, really, really bad field, pretty much the worst we've seen.

We'll get into reasons for that and what to make of that. But all that said, this has legitimately always, unironically been one of your favorite events. I'm wondering why that is. I mean, I think looking at the leaderboard this week, perfect example. Like you've got Chris Gotter up.

Like they've used the sponsor exemption on him. He wrote a letter to Chris Oklahoma. Oklahoma. Uh, wrote a letter to Terma Director. Got in. Like they've always done a great job with their sponsor exemptions, which I respect the hell out of. Shout out to Spieth. Yeah.

Same thing with travelers, like they do. Just a variety of different kinds of players on the leaderboard. And I don't know. I always like that kind of midfield battle of like, hey, let's, you know, like it's, it's grind time guys. It's grinders only part of the season right now. You know, dog days for guys trying to get their,

get their card for next year. Yeah, Patrick Flavin, he's a Miami-Voil Hi-O guy. He finished T10. T10. What a pick by Randy this week. Yeah, yeah, really respectable. He's been Monday hanging into a bunch of stuff. BoHogue, double to 18 to get him into the next week.

Get him that T10. Our friend Adam Long, you got Charles Howell, you got Saif, Figalla played well this week. Had a kind of a crappy Thursday, but played well after that to kind of get back into contention. Scott Stallings keeps his heater going. He's playing exceptional golf. Could have gotten into the British open, Mr. Byshot.

Yeah, I was going to say that was one of the things that you're talking about, whether the open qualifying series is good and whether this is the best way to pick people who are going to play the 150th open at St. Andrews or not. But when you have a pretty bad field and you're kind of trying to ring out a little juice on a Sunday afternoon, it was at least there's something to watch, right? I mean, at least there was something kind of on the line for stallings on that last putt.

So for the open, we had JT Poston, Christian Bizzatin' Hoat and Emiliano Grillo. Grillo. Which Grillo finished T12 last year at Roles and Gorgeous. How about that? So, I feel like the slower Greens kind of helps him because he's just such a bad putter. Do you like the open qualifying series?

I like the idea of it. I don't know if it's- And for people that don't know what it is, I guess they mentioned on the broadcast,? I like the idea of it. I don't know. And for people that don't know what it is, I guess they mentioned on the broadcast, but I'm going to guess a lot of people didn't watch this week. Top three, not otherwise qualified finishers of the week, get into the US Open, or the Open Championship,

and they do it at a bunch of different events. They do it at some Euro Tour events. They do it at some Asian Tour events. It's pretty scatter shot. It's a little, great idea and theory, and I'd like to see an analysis of who's getting in through that because it feels a little. I mean, it's kind of outrageous.

It's like, both that feels pretty bad and also the British open, like open qualifying also feels pretty light. So it's kind of just a weird, I don't really know if we're quite quite getting the best players for a major championship. So the Joe Berg open, the Singapore open, the Vic open, the API, Mizuno open, I don't even know what that is. I think it's on the Japan tour.

It's a big dick event on the Japan tour. The Dutch open, the Canadian open, the Korea open, and the Horizon Irish open. So notably, the Scottish open, which is a week before, doesn't, not part of it. doesn't, not part of it. The travelers, not part of it. The US Open, like you can finish T-4 if you guys open, and not get in, no bearing on the pitch.

But you can finish T-4 third at the John Deere Classic and get in. Well, it's all, it is the fifth major though. That's true, so. Yeah, maybe there's probably a lot into that. I will say the, Maybe they're doing a bit. Back to the course.

The greens did look brown, but I'll tell you what didn't is everything else. I mean, that was just a middle-aged dream backyard, like the course, the fairways, the cuts, they got the tapered cuts going. It's great. John Deere just showing off, flexing what their products can do out there at TPC Deer Run. So I had a, I had a pork chop. Everybody said you got to get a pork chop in the Quad cities had a pork chop. Excellent. Um, what else? Uh, Uber and Lyft, almost non-existent.

They were at a rental car. So we had to Uber around all week. That was tough. That's tough. That was very tough. How do Whites ice cream sandwich was as good as advertised? Have some minorly baseball. I saw what's a minorly baseball game. Freddie started saying we like like we were like the quad the quad cities river bandits. He was like daddy. Do we end up winning? Who's we here Freddie? River bandits. Yeah. Allits. He was like, daddy, did we end up winning? Who's we here, Freddie? River Bandits. Yeah. All right, it was cool.

We stayed in Davenport, Iowa. So it's kind of wild at four cities. Can you name the Quad Cities now? I can. Moline, rock river, I think. Rock. Rock Island. Rock Island, which the Rock Island arsenal, sick.

Sure. Moline, Davenport, Rock Island, which the Rock Island arsenal sick. Sure. Let's take a look at that. Let's take a look at that. Holy Davenport, Rock Island, and Bettendorf. I think that's exactly right. How about that? That's good stuff. And then there was, all right, trivia question for you. I'm ready.

I know I love this. So franchise and Freddie and I walked across the bridge over to Rock Island just to see the dam and the locks. How many dams do you think are on the Mississippi River? across the bridge over to Rock Island, just to see the dam and the locks. How many dams do you think are on the Mississippi River? I don't think there's any dams on the Mississippi River. Okay, you're wrong. I was gonna, the franchise said 300 first.

I think it's not many. I would just say like three. I think it's 20, it's not like 26 or 29. Oh, how about that? I didn't, it didn't feel like a river you'd want to dam because it's such a, you know, it's a force. It's on 95. You know, I-75 in the United States, right?

Like, that's interesting. Anyway, I just thought that was, I thought that was, you know, kind of a fascinating piece of trivia. I do want to give John Deere one other shout out, the commercials that they put on. They had at least five or six different commercials. Please, whoever their agency is, go work with the other sponsors on tour. It's exactly what a title sponsor should be doing. They had one of in the factory

and these guys are just, you know, building big-ass machines, which was sweet. You know, I love seeing that. And then they had a few commercials today of the guys, the official landscaping gear equipment of Karnusti and of all these famous courses around the world and just kind of giving you a sense of what John Deere does in golf, why they sponsored this tournament, showing us the products and not hitting us with the same commercial, every single commercial break.

I believe that deserves a shout out. Absolutely, and they have the best team markers in the game. They had different ones on every tee. They had excavators, they had lawn mowers, they had combines. I mean, have you ever been up next to a combine? I have not. And then I was telling the lady who runs all that stuff, like all their marketing and all their kind of licensing

form, I was like, oh my god, like our grandpa used to get us the John Deere models. Yes, still have some. Yeah, when we were little. So, I don't know, it was cool. The big, what was your favorite machine? The big dig was unbelievable. At the big dig, what was your favorite?

The front loader, the power on the front loader, insane. It was, it was like, it was crazy. They let Freddie drive it all. It was unbelievable. It was so cool. Who had more fun? The franchise were Freddie. That's probably a tie. Really? Yeah. I can't call it. You know, franchise was on the excavator. Freddie was on the little skid steer. I drove a big dumb truck with the world class dumpy. It was wild, man. Geez, it was cool. Well, I think that's that that is what deep back to what DJ said earlier. Don't really want to watch it on TV.

Well, but awesome, it sounds like an awesome event to go to. And just unpack that a little bit so that's not quite so flippant. Like I honestly, I think that's so totally fair. A lot of shy away from it. And I don't mind the John Deere. Like I've always liked watching the John Deere. I'm obviously a product of Illinois, you know?

It's a big deal when I was living there growing up. It's, I think they do all the charity stuff is like, if you talked to anybody at the PJ Tour, they, yeah, they kind of kill it on that. I think they win like PJ Tour tournaments, always do like, tournament of the year. Just like the tournament that kind of like does everything the best.

I feel like they've won that. Claire Peterson Yeah, the tournament director was it's this last year exactly He's been there forever all the players love him know him all that said So I'm going on in the world of golf right now as as we know and I think all you know We're gonna get to for the next six and a half hours on this podcast, but You just can't keep everybody happy, man. And John Deere this week was a pretty good example of that. If you're gonna make other events better, if you're gonna concentrate the power on,

you're gonna elevate all these other events, like there's gonna be a cost to that. And so when we get into the live stuff and kinda like the look at the field here versus look at the field at the John Deere, like what a fucking joke. Yeah, there's some merit to that. Certainly the live field was much better at the John Deere, like what a fucking joke. Yeah, there's some merit to that. Certainly the live field was much better

than the John Deere field from a kind of top heavy, you know, world rankings perspective, but we're also kind of going up against what is gonna be one of the weaker, if not the weakest PJ tour field of the year. And it is very much like if that's the world we're headed to where it's like, let's concentrate the excitement. I hate to even say it like that.

Like let's concentrate like all the eyeballs and the casual fans around Genesis, around Bay Hill, around Memorial, around events like that. And you're just gonna keep making those bigger and better and bigger and better. There's gonna be a cost to that man. And I'm totally fine with that because I think it's for a fan perspective.

I think it's a good trade off rather than just everything being kind of mediocre. And I think all that is very valid. I think another thing that we're over looking here is that, you know, Chez Fest didn't make it to the weekend. And you have anything to say? I thought honestly. I honestly, Chez Fest anybody that...

So Chez Fest is last year during the John Deere. I was really on a bad stretch with my weekly picks and I decided to pick my guy Chez Revy because the John Deere, I was really on a bad stretch with my weekly picks. And I decided to pick my guy, Chez Reevee, because the John Deere and Chez Reevee feel like they spaghetti and meatballs combination. They seem to go together, you know, just a grinder, you know, in his element at the John Deere. And I picked him last year and he had no form. And the picks are basically like top 40, top 20, top 10, top 5, and to win. Just like, she's the cleanest thing. Did you pick top 20, top 10, top five and to win. Just like, she's the cleanest. Did you pick it to miss the cut, too?

Well, last year I missed. And I forgot to do that. This year I picked like a three way play that he was in instead. I went all top heavy. But I will say the people absolutely rallied with you. Yes. It was one of the most, because he came out first day. I think he was like early leader at like 10 a.m.

This is last year. Last year. Yeah, he balled out. Yeah, I think he ended up being top at like 10 a.m. This is last year. Yeah, yeah, he balled out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he ended up being top 20 or maybe top 10. So this year, I've been watching him all see him just kind of lying in weight. He's T8 last week at Traveler's like, oh, hell, yes.

Ches is trending. Let's go. So we, he looked great on the range on, we announced the lineup for Ches Fest and we even threw in that three way play with Kevin Streumann and Nick Hardy as opening acts I mean people were hyped about about the concert and which Strylman's gonna bring a lot of the older crowd and Nick Hardy's got a lot of the younger you know younger kind of indie stuff and there's more

Still that's like boss. Yeah, there's some more the more the story and maybe you know It sounds like Ches's drummer might have gotten COVID, you know, and that was an issue. So, yeah, it just did, and then he decided to pull out before the weekend and didn't, you know, didn't play the show. There's some liability concerns. Yeah, it's tough. It's not going to sky, and then I don't think it, yeah, that sucks. He's performance now.

He's out and there's next thing. He's, he's, Randy said he's considered a flight risk. Yeah. Well, I don't think it was an unmitigated disaster. I don't think it's fire fest. 71-71, Mystic Cut. Yeah, just not good. Even more.

He showed up for contractually. He was there. He was contractually obligated to show up for two days. He did it. He's just not doing any meet and greets. He didn't make any new fans, certainly. And if he's the headliner, that's not, that's unacceptable.

Exactly. For my god. He's contracted to play for 35 minutes. He played for 35 minutes. Yeah. And I hate you playing on 35 minutes. He played for 35 minutes. Yeah. And I hate him playing on core. No, fuck no. He also bugged his last hold of missing.

Or two. No, the coach's minus two. So I think he was like three off of it. Okay. So anyway, that's, you know, I think that that didn't help our weekend viewing. Totally. But like a very anecdotal example of like,

it's just tough to get up for golf every week. And DJ was up here in the studio, he came downstairs and we were watching Wimbledon. And I'm like, he's like, hey, you wanna like put the golf on? And I was like, oh, he was on commercial, sorry. Like, yeah, this is just way more exciting. Like, yeah, be that as a bit.

It was just a golf. It was a pretty anti-climactic weekend in general. Like, Poston made a birdie on Saturday afternoon. He birdied, oh, sorry, he eagled 17 on Saturday afternoon. And like, that was kind of like, all right, it's, it doesn't help. Wired wire is, you know, you got 62 in the first round. Yeah, but that kind of takes the juice out of the weekend

when someone just kind of has it under control from the finish. No offense to the Postman, of course, friend of the program. But it's huge fan of the Postman. When, uh, trap draw alumnus. When he is shooting 62, it takes the energy out. A spieth's out there shooting 62. People are very hyped to watch him go wired to wire. But, you know, I think the postman would probably understand and admit that maybe he might not be that guy. It's kind of those events, too. Like, it, it definitely,

I think this was the 50th anniversary. It definitely reminds you of the old school tour. And you need those events as kind of the foundational element of the tour. I personally think that the tour probably needs to look at slotting because so many of these guys are playing here. They're playing Barbos on next week. They're playing Reno the week after. They're playing 3M. They're playing Barbos on next week. They're playing Reno the week after. They're playing 3M. They're playing Detroit and then they're playing Windom. And they played like travelers the week.

Like they're playing a bunch of weeks in a row, right? And I feel like starting with the John Deere or maybe you look at John Deere, Detroit, 3M and Windom and you alternate those events through to be the finale of the regular season every year. I just feel like that would be a to give each one of them a shot at being elevated in a way. Yeah, because otherwise it's just five years. Super arbitrary. And then the years that they're not the finale, they can go back to their preferred spot or whatever, but I just feel like, yeah, like why is Windom arbitrarily the season season finale? I know before it was because Wyndham paid some money,

but maybe they won. The Wyndham rewards thing is gone. That was kind of an unmitigated disaster. Like more guys weren't showing up for that or whatever. You know what? I have never heard that idea before. I just came up with that. That's really, really intriguing. I think I'm in on that. I feel like you're going to get a good amount of the well actually, you know, you don't know how conscious you don't know like that's so hard for the clubs to have to rotate. And it might be. Yeah. Right. But it can be like four or five years out. You know, like you can figure it out ahead of time. Or if they don't want to do that, like the ones that do want to do it,

you can, you can, you can, you can check the box and opt in. Yeah, because I feel like it's a good thing to wear like, you know, they've tried to get a little bit it, you can figure that out. Yeah, there's a box to check. You can check the box and opt in. Yeah, because I feel like it's a good thing to wear like, you know, they've tried to get a little bit of, you know, a similar concept with like getting guys to add a new event every year to their schedule or a new event every other year to their schedule. But I don't know, it's just cool like, you know, when speed comes to this tournament, it's a big deal, right?

Or when, when, when, when, when, when you stretch your wings. Yeah, or, yeah. Yeah, and I think if you're a PGA tour event, you should have the opportunity to like, elevate yourself every, every so often or whatever. Sure. I mean, on that, I like that idea.

I would, I would sign your petition T.C. if, if given the opportunity. And I think also there's just, yeah, we're talking about all these elevated events, we're talking about, you know, like, this is a guaranteed start for everybody that has tourist status. Including Omar Eresti. Yeah, oh, yeah, Omar made the cut this week, which basically guarantees in like another, you know, like this is a guaranteed start for everybody that has torsed out of including Omar Eresti.

Yeah. Yeah. Omar made the cut this week, which basically guarantees in like another, you know, he's like at the top of that of like his his category now. So he gets into probably three more events. What I am saying. He earned it. Oh, yeah.

He's going to have to find somebody else to fold their shirts for my guess. His brother was on the bag for him too. Wow. Omar's brother. I got tagged brother was on the bag for him too. Oh my gosh brother. I got tagged in on that tweet like maybe 60 times. Oh. I've realized the crowd. Yeah.

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But. And did not win. Did not win. That was the only 66 we had this year. The only question is Aiden, who his name has so many like landmines in it. He's got like, I think it's Kristian. Yeah, he's got two A's in there.. The only thing that's eaten. His name has so many landmines in it. He's got like, I think it's Christy on.

Yeah, he's got two A's in there. Like, yeah, that's gonna, that's gonna, I'm not gonna be able to do that. There's just a lot of rogue letters. Always missing is like an oom lot. Yeah, yeah, like he's got the O and the U at the end. I don't know what I'm doing with that one. By the way, do you guys see the thing about stallings?

Super producer. Yeah, super producer, Scott stalling. That's Mr. Stewart. Really, if you guys see the thing about stallings? Super producer? Yeah, super producer, Scott Stolling. That's Mr. Stewart. Really, if you watched it all this weekend, you heard, I think they said the story like six times, but his stats guy was basically like, hey, you're hitting your mid-Irns, like the worst you've ever hit him.

And everything else was great. Like, that's why you're not, like, you're struggling to proximity the whole is bad then. He's like, you know, you're seven, you're eight-Irns, six-Irns, all that. So he's like, he's like, fine those old-Ir, you're struggling. Proximity of the whole is bad then. He's like, you're, you know, you're seven, you're eight iron, you're six iron, all that. So he's like, he's like, find those old irons you were hitting. So he, like, one of his buddies at home, like, overnighted four sets of his old irons to him. He puts them right back in the bag on Wednesday

and basically goes out like Thursday. I think this was at travelers a couple of weeks ago and then now he's like, now he's absolutely running right now. How about that? Crazy. It's fun. A bit of a, you know, as Neil calls it,

I think the stranger, right? What do you do? He switched to a new, that's what I do with my punter. Well, that's the, I don't mind, that's why I travel with five punters. I always, I call it the honeymoon face. All right.

But I'm in my call the stranger, creep. No, I call it the stranger. You guys are creeps, man. I go lefty, like I'll switch lefty and righty around the round. There he is. Okay, that's the good stuff, folks. Speaking of strangers, let's move on to the live golf event

at Pumpkin Ridge up in Portland. The four aces, do you see. prevail in just a dramatic fashion, winning $3 million. I guess the other highlight is Pat Peresh, who's 80 and wins 900K. Brendan Grace wins the individual, he's now won $6 million plus in two live events. Gentlemen, I didn't have a chance to watch much of it. I watched, like, I watched all the fun around. Well, please take us there. Where do you want to start? Objectively, let's start high level.

Direct Nick goes, have a day organized here. TV product. Yeah. Or like, you streaming product, right? I think there's issues. Arlo White says what a moment, probably 18 times. Everybody on the broadcast, except for Foltz, seems to think that anytime you're in a bunker,

you are fucked. You're not kidding out of the fucker. Like the level of golf IQ on the on the telecast is tough and Foltz is actually like, yo, like they're on the upslope, they're like, he's probably gonna like maybe make this one guys and like they still don't believe him every time it happens The shotgun thing, you know, it's like I think you miss a lot of good golf on the way But it's also a wire-to-wire action like they're show you know it helps when you don't have to show any commercials That helps a lot. It helps a lot. And why don't they have commercials again? Why is that? Um, and why don't they have commercials again? Why is that? They, uh, because it's, they did a better job with the leaderboard, I thought on the side,

the pylon, as they call it, on the side. The team thing added a little bit like my, like torque, my Japanese guys were just absolutely flying up the board this week. You're a crushers guy. That's what I said. He can't have everybody. No, I thought he was a stinger. Now the cult, now the crisis on the crushers, I can't do't have everybody. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no club, the Australians, they're terrible as well. We're not going down the leaderboard. So let me try and take a step to the leaderboard.

Let me ask you this, are the players are mic'd up? No, yeah, players in caddies. They're mic'd up. Is that a factor on the broadcast? I thought the mics are just like juiced. Well, that's one of the things. The mics are like mega juiced. So you hear everything that the crowd is saying.

So there's all sorts of like, you think that's good advice. And got a few, you know, Bruxy calls in there. There was a,, you know, Brooksy calls in there. There was a, hey, DJ, go dismember the field. Call in there, which was, which was pretty aggressive. Yeah, you know, it's, it's probably good and bad, right? Like, but I think I would call on people,

I think it's an opportunity for, for people to, you know, if you're going to go out to New Jersey or to the Boston event, be vocal, man, say some, say some, it's your chance. People will definitely hear it. Say some stuff. I wouldn't disagree with the TV product. I can't say, listen, if you listen to the podcast ever, it's pretty clear where I stand on all this stuff.

I think it's like a gigantic joke, and I like to make a lot of jokes about it. It's inherently unserious. It's so unserious and that is the point that I think it's just so hard when all of us are not on the same page on that, right? And if you are taking it seriously, you're such a fucking mark that I don't really know what to tell you. Like these guys just read anything they say, just listen to anything they say,

poke holes in anything that they say, and it's so fucking clear that the thing is not serious. And despite how many times Jerry Fultz and all these people on the telecast want to say, like it is electric out here, right? These guys really, really care. This is unbelievable. Like despite how many times Taylor Gouge comes out

and says it's like being on a Ryder Cup team. None of that shit is true. It is all fake, and it's all like, despite how many times Taylor Gouge comes out and says it's like being on a Ryder Cup team. None of that shit is true. It is all fake and it's all like to basically try to, you know, do all the things that we've talked a million times about, you know, that they're trying to do. It's really hard. So with all that context, like, it's hard to watch it, I think. I get almost like secondhand embarrassment watching it and it's just I can last for like 10, 15 minutes at a time and then in my head I'm just like this is a fake like member guest thing that I'm watching here. So that's really tough. Having said all that, do I think it's like they do a really good job with the TV product and do I think like, like I guess where I Where I came out this week was I've always been very much of the mind that like these two things cannot coexist.

You can't have the PJ tour and live coexisting. Like that absolutely can't happen. It's gonna be bad for everything. And watching it this week and seeing Greg Norman porn beer and people's mouths and seeing like, can't wait to see that, jettos. Yeah. And seeing just like all the, you know, oh, here they are, a team breakfast. And what's the captain gonna do today and blah, can't wait to see that, and seeing just like all the, you know,

oh, here they are, a team breakfast, and what's the captain gonna do today, and blah, blah, blah. I think if, like, they can coexist, especially seeing how bad the John Deere field was, and how bad that TV product is, I'm not giving the PJ Tour pass on how bad their TV is most weeks, too. Like, I think they can coexist,

you just can't tell me that both are like very serious golf products. You know can't tell me that both are very serious golf products. If you want to turn this into professional wrestling and just say, hey man, the TV products way better, you can see way more golf shots. These guys are still pretty freaking good. Come on in, have 55 beers, yell some stuff. It's going to be great. You can talk me into that. That makes a lot of sense. What you can't talk me into is, no, no, no, this is the future of Elite Men's professional golf. Because it's not.

That is stupid. And there was so many times too, where the on-course commentator, your boy, Dom Boulet, it was the female lady. Twenty-two. No, Mullins does all the interviews. Okay. Afterwards, she just keeps saying, like, oh my gosh, this is such a good shot. This is such a good shot.

This is such a good shot. Like, there's no, everything's a good shot. There's no context. There's no. That's what I mean. It is like, you feel like such a fucking moron. It's just cotton. Well, okay.

So some of these, you know, to play Devils advocate a little bit, some of these issues, it's like, maybe they just got the wrong people in early, like if they, you know, well, huh, like, let's pull that thread. I wonder why. Yeah. Okay. No, that's fair enough. Why did none of the good people want to go like sign up?

But another question I have is I saw some stuff on Twitter about how the team aspect is actually intriguing. I like it. Totally. I like the team aspect. So explain. I think there's something there. Teams, they're not playing together while they're out there. No, they're all spread out. Everything's grouped, you know, like the first day is grouped, but I'm it totally. I like the team. I think there's something there. Teams, they're not playing together while they're out there. No, they're all spread out.

Everything's grouped, you know, like the first day is grouped by the, you know, random draw or whatever they want to do. But the second and third days are grouped by leaderboard, by the individual board. So but these guys on the team, they don't do they have a look at the leaderboard. Like do they. Yeah. So they know, they know what the team's standings are. So like, Pee was like, yeah, I knew we were, you know,

like because, hey, it's bullshit what they've done with the teams. It's like, it's P and DJ and Gooch and then, and double Pee and then Pat Perez, right? And it's like, all right, well, like, Gooch and DJ are like, they're both like playing pretty damn good golf. Like they're both kind of a cut above most of these other guys. And then like, there's three or four teams that are kind of loaded, right?

And then there's, there's three or four teams that suck. And there was no draft this week. Correct. No, it seems like that's gone away in week two. And really wasn't even a thing in week one because a couple of the teams were just like, oh no, these were like pre-selected already. So you can pick from the players who are not pre-selected. It's a fucking joke.

Like the whole thing is... Sagan now is like... Again, like, I'm not here to tell anybody like, no, no, no, you didn't have a good time watching that. Like if you liked it, man, go for it. Like, please... I was entertained for a while and I kind of got bored maybe after 45 minutes or an hour or so

because it was like, all right, like this is, you know, and like, yeah, like it looks like, all right, like this is, and like, yeah, it looks like, it honestly reminded me, like it looked no different from going out to the Corn Fairy Tour event at Pumpkin Ridge. Like the crowds, like, you know, people don't wanna say, oh my god, like, no, it was a sold out crowd.

It was a sold, like, hey, they, like, which they can't sell enough tickets because like, there might be a riot or something because the thing is so flammable. Yeah, and so like, it and so it pretty much looked identical to even less build out to the Corn Fairy Tour event that I went out there, which like good for them. It was a well, it was a much better produced event.

It seemed like there was more juice with it than say the one at Centurion because it just seemed like sunny skies, a little bit better golf course. Which again, I think based on reports on the ground, and shadow to the many reporters that were there who kind of read all week from their dispatches, people that were on the ground. Again, same thing.

I'm not saying that these people aren't seriously having a fun time, like they obviously are. But it's all built around this business model that just like isn't gonna exist five years from now, right? If it doesn't keep working or it doesn't show some signs of paying off in some way, because they minimal amount of tickets, super cheap concessions,

seeing guys super up close with not a lot of people around, like yeah, of course that's gonna be a good time. Well, I would put, but you just can't, it's still like, from a serious golf perspective, it's still like a member guest feel. Like everybody who's at the member guest is having an awesome time.

Like the way I keep trying to liken it to is what we always say about like the Pebble Beach event, right? When you're there and Ray Ramonos telling a hilarious joke that only you and your buddies heard like on the rope line. Great. When Bill Murray's porn is popcorn into your hat, like, oh my God, that's crazy.

But like watching it on TV, I'm like, this fucking sucks, man. I am not having a good time with any of this stuff. It did prove to me like, I was saying, like I think it makes sense from a TV product perspective. And I think there's a ton of great things that they're doing. It's like a ton of great things that they're there. It's like a step above the match that they're,

yes, that's exactly what it feels like to me. It's just like the match. Like I feel absolutely nothing watching it. And that's why I don't get like if you take nothing else away from this podcast, I guess all I'm trying to say is like, it wouldn't be good for the future of men's elite professional golf if players exclusively played the match. Yeah. That's not good.

It's also super weird to see guys like finish up on whole two, whole three, like I just can't get that out of my system. They're rules official or they're rules guy like they're blogger. No, no, they're they're they're they're got it's in the booth. Like Mike Pereira. Yeah. Uh, this Italian guy. It was really funny. Gosh, I'm trying to think what else? Uh,

well, just going to like the beginning of the week, like I think it was what was really weird was just like the press conferences and the just utter disdain that most of these guys have for talking about this, for being asked questions about it. I thought Brooks was, I was, I saw a, saw me, what I'm in with us tonight. Yeah. I've got to see you. Just read things. I want to read into the record for Sully that he insisted that we, we just, we stayed for the record. So general takeaways from watching those guys, Sully, quote, read,

pulling this quote that the tour should have listened to the players, bullshit, Bryce and saying he wanted a leadership role. Take a fucking hint. Nobody on tour likes or respects your opinion guys. Read your complaints or about right pins and the seats they give you at Red Sox games. Now you run into the hands of the Saudis who are surely going to listen to all your thoughts and feelings. And to give some context there, I mean, all these guys were pretty patchy-lit about like, what could the tour have done differently? And they're like,

well, they could have listened to the players for one. And no details, no like elaboration on what that means, what they could have done differently. It is all just like, see, you come over on this tour and they finally treat you the way that you're supposed to be treated. And again, to go back to the member guest, vibe, like, all these guys are having a fucking great time. Because of course, like, they're working a lot less, they're getting paid a lot more. There like all these guys are having a fucking great time because of course like they're working a lot less they're getting paid a lot more there's all these like

benefits that absolutely make sense and the entire thing is set up right now to recruit yes more players so of course I would I hope it'd be good yeah and that's yeah what almost feels like even the announcers are coach to play into that because oh dude Fulcis it Fulcis like the little bit I did see is they're like joking around about Pat Perez making you know shooting 80 Why still gonna make 900 9 or a K like what do you guys think? Huh, it's easy money over here. It feels a little bit like a ponzi there was an unreal jerk like because it's so weird It's like get the leaders and then you get these weird pop-ins of guys that are like crazy far off the lead

or just, you know, there was an epic drive by a Peter U-line. Really? Jerry Fultz is like, yeah, like from this angle, like that water is not really in play, long left there, and like sure enough, he just straight up air males it long left. And he's like, oh, oh my, well, clearly

he doesn't have a swing this week, I don't know, I actually listened to Peter U, clearly he doesn't have a swing this week. I actually listened to Peter Euland on the Lost 4 words podcast this week. It was like an hour and a half. And he was basically by the end of it, like the second half of it, he's just going in on the PGA tour, talking out of both sides of his mouth. And he's begging the PGA tour to have a union, which like that, like it's a player, it's a member run organization. They should work like that, man.

Can't unionize. I've already unionized to run. Can't unionize anymore. Unionizing against yourself, man. Like you kind of already have one. Like you run the tour. Like you just need to like go and talk to the pack and the, and we'll get into all these,

like there's all sorts of corn fairy-tour changes that they've announced, DP World, should the even more strategic, strategic alliance now. All sorts of OWG are still, we're gonna talk about all sorts of like tour changes and all that. But I think bottom line is like, is the tour perfect?

No, like were they slow on the uptake on a lot of this stuff? Absolutely. Are they moving fast enough now? I think they're moving probably as fast as they possibly can, being a member organization? Is that fast enough? Time will tell, we'll see. But I think they're making the right moves now.

Can we read some more of this solid stuff? Yeah, yeah. So just a set up the Brooks stuff. So did you guys watch the Brooks press conference? I did. It was, it was hostile. It was, it was Brooks in a nutshell for, for me,

in watching him for the last four or five years of just like, it, God, man, I can't stand it when it's like, yeah, I don't fucking practice. And then like that literally like six months later, it's like, you know how fucking hard I work? You know how hard I'm working to come back from this injury, it's like, well, hold on a second, do you just told me you don't practice?

Last time I listened to you, you said, I don't fucking care. Now you care so fucking much. I was there, you question my, what's wrong with you? When he's getting hostile with the live in-house reporter, asking if he has any injuries going on, like that's where it's like,

dude, I think you might have just lost the plot. And like, what a complete and utter showed. So, so, Sally, on the topic of Brooks, Sally, quote, I was hard on Brooks in the emergency pod last week, calling him a bitch. I have regrets because I did not properly emphasize just how much of a bitch he is.

What unfolded in that press conference was pretty much the most unlikable 30 minutes of content I've seen from a group of golfers. The guy that was supposed to be telling it like it is is now just sitting there muted by his saudi overlords. The guy was supposed to be the toughest athlete of the bunch, quits competitive golf to go be teammates with his brother and Richard Bland.

End quote. I leave, leave land out of that. I think that sums it up pretty good. The last part being just like, yo, I'm such a, you know, I'm an athlete, I'm not a, I'm not a golfer, I'm a competitor. I can't argue with Sally on a lot of that stuff. It's similar to face and outro, known bitch. All I care about is majors, but now jeopardizing.

You know, it sounds like Brooks Kevga has a cold. He might. Shout to Gaita Lee. What do you think, Dej, with Brooks and the press conference? Anything to add to Sally's thoughts there? I just, no, I think he nailed it. I think like, if that was his kind of come back to Rory's, like, yeah, it's kind of fucked up how he says one thing

and then completely does another. Like it was clear he doesn't have any answers and then I think Sali said that too. I totally agree with him. Like the reason you don't get any answers from these guys or any like rationale or any like cogent explanations is because there is none. And the only answer is like,

oh no, I just took like a fuck load of money. And so they just like both can't say that because otherwise they're not doing what they're getting paid to do. Sure. And they also can't like totally avoid it because there is no other answer. So it's they just end up looking like complete dipshits. Like I don't know if you saw Fred Couples.

Yeah. Even Fred Couples comes out, I was like Phil Miggles, you ever seen that guy look so stupid? Like what an idiot. When Fred Couples is getting hostile. Yeah, it's the best. But what's so funny, on the press conference round, what's so funny about all of this,

and about Brooks, and about the whole thing is like, like sports washing doesn't work if you're not up there giving answers. And so for doing the laundry. For this whole just like, fuck the media. It's like, dude, we're just asking questions like that isn't that how the sports watching is supposed to work here? Aren't we just supposed to ask you questions about what's going on and then you like give us a different answer?

But when you just, you can't even like hold up that end of it. It would be like going on a tour. And the tour guide was like hostile. Yeah. It's like you're going, you want you to walk around Niagara Falls and you're like, hey, so did someone go over and barrel with the fuck? He talked about barrels. Serious man? I'm just trying to tell you to tell me. I don't know.

You tell me. I don't know why you're looking up. You have Google? Fucking clown. You know, that wouldn't work. You know, he wouldn't be a very good tour guide. The funniest part to me is the fact that like Taylor Gooch is the one carrying a lot of the water here.

Tough week for a friend. He didn't even, I don't even think Taylor Gooch got paid. Like a lot of the water here. Tough week for a fr... I don't even think Taylor Gooch got paid. Like he just got the, like, yeah, he made a bunch of money this week because the four aces got $3 million. So they get $750K a piece to split between them. Gooch told golf.com, I think this was a Dillon De Chere piece that he wanted to play the London event as a one-off sincerely.

So he was very much like, yeah, I don't even want to be in this mess in the first place, man. I was just trying to play London as a one-off event. And he started. He said, quote, it worked out best for my schedule to do that. And obviously I had the chance to make a bunch of money. So it was a no-brainer, he said, quote, I didn't think that they were truly going to suspend us, which is very much the, like, the quote from the stabbed guy,

like, what are you gonna do, stab me? Just what a fucking idiot, man. Are you kidding? And then he gets up and says, and you know, somebody had a great, like, Kyle Porter put up the thing, he's like, I can't believe he actually said this. And it's like, some of you replied and said, like, actually, like, I think the thing.

And you're talking about the Ryder Cup thing, where he said, I've never been, some I'm paraphrasing, but like I've never been Part of a writer cover presidents cup team, but I can't imagine it's a whole hell of a lot different than that Talking about the four aces claiming the shape of chip at the pumpkin ridge composite course in front of you 65 people yeah, yeah, but like I feel like at this point a like we should expect him and others to keep saying shit like that because that's what you're being paid to do And be like we shouldn't be aggrieved by it or or you know call out the absurdity even it's just like well Something I have a very specific. I don't know metaphor Similarly that that Gucci's reminding me of he's reminding me a big head from

The character big head like the guy just like keeps that Guch is reminding me of. He's reminding me of Big Head from Silicon Valley, the character Big Head. Like the guy that just like keeps, he's like, oh dude, I didn't know. I thought I was just trying to, I was just trying to play like, one. So I didn't really wanna like, be on the tour. Okay. Okay, fine, whatever.

He's just like, you just get some stuff into this mess. It's like some hotel California shit. God, that's incredible. And then now, like you've got Sergio and Polter and these dipshits like suing the DP World Tour. Like Pellie had the whole thing, he came out with it. Is that lawsuit for sure? Or they're thinking about.

So they had said basically strongly urge you to reconsider these fines and the suspension from the Scottish open by five o'clock on Friday. And the five were what? 100, 100 K, or 100,000 pounds, I think. They said basically by 5 PM on Friday, like you need to rescind this, otherwise we're gonna, you know, seek legal action in Keith Pelley,

basically said, like, seek legal action on these nuts. And it's like the whole, what's the whole fucking point that you guys at gmail.com. Atdvworlddoor.com. It's like, wasn't the whole point you guys want to play less golf? Right. And like not, you know, not see what we're going to get to there because that might not be true. That's the last thing for, that I want to read in the record from Sally is, uh,

Oh, we got to give the context on paparez. Yeah. So paparez is up on the day is with Brooks and someone else about Patrick Reed, I think. God, just hitters only up there. And when Patrick Reed's making, you know, like when Patrick Reed's coming off as the most well-spoken guy in the room, that's really saying something. And Bryson, also, like surrounded by all these fucking morons, like Bryson is coming across as truly one of the most enlightened cats out there,

which is terrible for everybody. Papares is up there again. They're all bending over backwards, looking for all these reasons that they just had no choice, but to take this money. If somebody has to take this money, it better be me, I guess. Like I'll do it.

If you're gonna make me, I'll do it. And Papares is talking about how one year he was, I think 116th in the FedEx cup going into the Jersey event, the first event at whatever it was, the Barclays or whatever it was called then. And how his wife went into labor. And there was no choice for him to get back to be back at the birth of his son.

His only option was to take $150,000 private flight. There was no other option to get back at the, at the birth of his son, his only option was to take a $150,000 private flight. There was no other option to get back. And he just, he couldn't do it. So I had to suck on it and just play. And I played well, you know, kept my card. By the way, any year, if you're 116 on the FedEx Cup, going into the frit, like you're gonna keep your card, for sure. And even if not, like, that is your choice, homie.

Like, the BJ tour is not making you try to get to the Deutsche Bank championship. Like, you are fuck off, man. Fuck off with that. I believe that was the Northern Trust. Sure. Okay. Sure. But yeah, I think Sol, I probably had some had some stuff to do. Abe Answer was saying that he wanted to spend more time with his family. Abe Answer doesn't have a family. Well, no, I might have a big extended family. Your brothers and sisters or parents or whatever, but like, to my knowledge, he's not married, he doesn't have kids, anything like that.

Same with Bryson. Well, I honestly, just crazy, I'll keep Bryson some credit. I thought his, when he announced he was doing this, he's like, it's a business decision. Totally. And that's basically what these guys could all say. I just wonder why like the Brooks's and Pat Perez was doing this, he's like, it's a business decision. Totally. And that's basically what these guys could all say. I just wonder why the Brookses

and Pat Perez was really hostile up there. Why don't they just go with the, why don't they just shrug it off? You know, they could easily just shrug it. I don't know, I don't think Brooks knows how to. The combative, defensive, insecure vibe is just like, it's a horrible look for the people paying you and it's a horrible look for you.

I don't understand it. It's literally the playbook is right in front of you. Yeah, man. It's in Dustin Johnson. And like, if you can stomach it and just say like, oh, you know, I'm sorry, I feel that way. Yeah. Like, they're not going to keep asking you follow ups. You even already saw how much software the questions were in Portland and they were in London,

right? And they're going to be the same, like New Jersey is going to be the same thing. But to your point on like the whole, it's a business decision, I think that's what, like, I don't know, I sound like a cheesedick, but I think that's what disillusions me about all of this so much is, like we're not talking about businesses though. We're talking about like a professional sport, where the whole goal is supposed to be like trying to be the best in the world

and trying to win tournaments and all of that stuff And I am never telling somebody how to feel and if they don't see it that way and if the number one goal for them truly is like I just want to make as much money as possible. That is the goal. I Would never tell somebody like not to do this like that's your decision to go make But as we have kind of said repeatedly as a fan, like why the fuck would I care about this? Why would I tune in to watch some fake event as you're constantly telling me it's real? And my pushback to Bryson, I've said that.

If he said that to me, I'd say, well that's a short term business decision because we're gonna get to the OWGR stuff and we're gonna get to, this could be a critically stupid, short-sighted business decision. And yeah, maybe it's enough money. Maybe it kind of goes with his whole,

I'm gonna gain 60 pounds. Even if I get hurt, I'm gonna get it now. Totally, right? And I'm gonna retire and go do science. And whatever he's gonna do. Listen, that's not gonna science. He's gonna do science projects. He's gonna do experiments.

Uh-huh. And that again is not a, I'm not in a position to tell anybody and not do that, right? If that's how you want to look at it, buy all means. But again, like, there's this weird, weird, weird corner of the internet and the people who have tuned into this and the people who are on site at this that like, almost think it's like, no, no, no, it's black and white. Like, you don't get it. Like, he's playing less events for more money. Like, it's, it's black and white. You don't get it. He's playing less events for more money. It totally absolves him of this decision. Of course, it's great. I'm like, dude, I was saying this you guys are there. Imagine if Dak Prescott came up and was like, I don't really want to

practice and I'm not really into all these games. Also, I don't like getting hit. I don't like getting hit. I don't like all the stuff that comes along with playing professional football. So I'm gonna go to the Saadi startup NFL league and just Saadi startup football league. But DJ's gonna go play with it every four or five years. You don't get it. The NFL does business with Saadi.

Yeah, exactly. Coca-Cola does business with Saadi. I'm sure that the reaction to that would be a very, very, very chilled out. Like, well, it's a great business decision for him and his family. Yeah, like fuck off guys. So just last thing from Sali here on Pat Perez, quote,

let's not let Perez off the hook. His go-to reason for joining the Live Tour was that he missed the birth of his son because he had to play a PGA tour of it. Does he understand how this contract works? Does he think he's just going to be able to skip these events when he doesn't want to play. Which is the whole other thing, man, they got 14 events next year. Like, my pushback to that would be maybe they're thinking, like, oh, well, we know when

these events are. And so, like in Perez's example, it's like, oh, I didn't, you know, like the playoffs and stuff pops up and totally get asked to do, like, or I'm behind this year. So if I want to keep my card, I have to play like we were just talking about it. It's grind season. I got to play the last six events in the dog days before the window. And to the tourist credit, like they've kind of solved that. Right. Like if you're if you're one on top 70 guys, you don't have to play.

You're not going to have to play the fall anymore. Yeah. I think I think part of the whole family less golf thing is, Hey, I'm not going to have to go grind on the champion's tour or go grind until I'm 50. I'm not sure how old Pat Perez is. I think he's 46 or 47. Okay. So he had to, basically his contract takes him up until

when he would wanna play the champion's tour. And then he's like, yeah, and then I'd love to go play the champion's tour. I was like, but I guess now it's kinda like, yo, you don't have to play anything. Just shut it down. Right. Hang on, it's over there. It's kind of my whole thing.

It's like, if you don't want to play, just don't fucking play, man. Nobody's making it. Nobody's making it. They want to have their cake and you get it too. Part of it is, it's going to work on some level. It's kind of like a, it's like some sort of a side show. It's kind of like, you know what it reminds me the most of? It, very random example is when I was living in San Francisco

and starting in 2012, right when Uber came on the scene. And you basically just, they were giving away, like, rides all over town. And just, it's gonna work. It's a start. Yeah, it's so, so much cash was going into just getting me to use the platform and just getting me, oh, God, yeah. Come on. $3.00, let me get that. That's been their model for the last 10 years.

So in, how's your Uber situation? Mollie in this week? Well, no, but then the best amount, the only difference here being, the Saudi still aren't trying to run a business. This is a brand marketing play, right? So like, Dej, when you say like, oh, the business model is not going to work in five years. It's not so much if the business model works in five years, it's if they get bored or not. Or if like the one guy running the PIF says like, ah, this is not a great use of our money

to get Western businesses to invest in our new cities, we're going to stop doing this. That's really the only risk. Right. Like, they don't have to make it financially viable. So that means it will be around. It's going to be around. No, well, like the PIF does have certain, just like my vision fund, 2030. It has certain, like, thresholds you have to meet for return

on investment. And they're going to try to sell, like, they're going to try to sell these franchises. They're going to try to sell each team. The most fireballs. Yeah. So fireballs, Carlos Slim, coming to the side, you know, like, it's like team wise, you know, the four aces finished first, stinger, the, all the South African guys finished second. And then all the Latin speakers, or T's, answer Garcia in the college kid,

you Hennie Lopez, Shakara, finished third, just ahead of my guys from Torque. And it's like Grace, like he didn't even, like he's played 13 events this year outside of live. He's made five cuts. He doesn't have a single top 10 this year. And he's in he's beating this field. And it's like, all right, like anybody, you know,

people are going to argue will like, yeah, there's more good players on the way. Yeah, we've heard all sorts of rumors because they're floating like it's it's irresponsible how many rumors they're floating about guys like which just to illustrate that there, there was one more from Sally that I can read here, said, quote, talk to a player this week that has had, quote, zero conversations with

Liv, who was receiving congratulations from multiple players for signing his $60 million deal with Liv. They're fanting the flames, it's circulating every possible rumor that they can, meaning like, I don't know if it's live, I don't know if it's people, if it's players, I don't know who it is. They're flooding the zone. They're absolutely like this player that's all

like they got wage and shans and wind horse. Yeah. Why would players do that? Why would players be texting this guy? What's going on with congratulations? I can't like, yeah. What's going on? What's going on with you, man?

What's going on with you, brother? Daniel Berger. What's going on with Daniel Berger? Very strange. What's going on in Jupiter? Daniel Berger. What's going on in Jupiter? What's going on with Daniel Berger? Very strange. Daniel Berger, Daniel Berger W.D.'s from the John Deere Classic. Daniel Berger has a John Deere logo on his golf bag.

Why would he do that? A lot of people say he had a back injury. Maybe he wanted to go fishing. Maybe he wanted to go fishing. Speaking of John Deere though. Does he always miss the John Deere Classic? I don't think so. Why would he do that? Who is the official equipment partner of Pinehurst Resort, who is a partner that I would like to give a final shout out to tonight.

I'll be fine. God, no, that was a sunny level segway. That was good, right? I thought that was there. Yeah, North South amateur was this week. North South amateur was this weekend. Shout out to Luke Clanton for winning the 120 second North South amateur last week, beating Tommy Morrison one up with five birdies and an eagle on Pinehurst number two. So that sounds like he was firing at pins, like absolutely flagging stuff, which is not what you're supposed to do on at Uncle Donnie's place. It was two.

It was two pre collegiate players, two juniors in the finals this year, which is a rarity. North South is sweet. That's one of those, one of those little corners of the internet. I think long is running amateur, all the headers, all the headers of one of those. Menace is only there. And then shout out to, to Pinehurst hosting the USGAs, inaugural US adaptive open. That's coming up July 18th at Pinehurst number six. Have you guys played six? No. I you guys played six? No. I haven't played six either.

I hear it's one of the hardest ones out there. I don't know. We'll find out. Six or seven. We gotta get there and play six. Ellis Mabel's I think. I'm not sure. But I think it's the one you can see from number nine

on Pinehurst number two back there in the corner. So anyway, that's July 18th Cody. Our very own Cody McBride will be out there, hopefully making some content or doing some Instagram stuff. So that's coming up in a couple of weeks. And with the US Open coming back to Pinehurst in 2024, I think it's a great time to book a trip,

probably for 2023 or beyond. I think they're loaded. What are you gonna be there to do this fall? I think spring. Oh spring. Yeah, we're to be there to do this fall? I think spring. Oh spring. Yeah, we're working on the event for this spring. But yeah, go to Pinehurst.com. You can check out Pinehurst, nine courses, and of course the cradle and this will do.

Lock going on at Pinehurst. I think they just broke around on the new USDA headquarters. About that? Last week. So, yeah, Pinehurst.com, shout out to Pinehurst. It's going to be a place for the USJ to do some hashtag testing. For sure.

That's right, the testing is, let's roll that ship back, baby. Somebody mentioned that the other day and we do not have to get into it, but like how quiet is all that stuff? Like all the live shit is going off like crazy. Like no one's even talking about the fact that areas of interest and all that stuff

is just getting ramped up even more. Like all that stuff's gonna come do pretty quick. We're gonna have a probably a bunch of equipment changes. Well, and we've got the open, I have to go to live. I can't replace any of those. Yeah, but it's in Andrews. You know, with like, I think the best thing that could happen in the game of golf would be like no wind in St. Andrews.

Somebody goes 59, 59, and then we go. And somebody shooting like 57, and be like, we can't play major champ in ships at St. Andrews anymore because it's just gotten so out And then we do. And then we do. And then we do. And then we do. And then we do. And then we do. And then we do. And then we do.

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And then we do. And then we do. And then we do. And then we do. And then we do. And then we do. And then we do. 1993, like pre-titanium starting point there. And then they're trying, you know, and minimum spin rates and minimum driver head, you know, like lower the driver head size by 100ccs or 133ccs. Yeah, I don't know.

I think Peter Uline's dad, step on a side, probably has some bearing. Uncle Wally? Yeah, Uncle Wally was he was probably the most most ciferous guy saying hey we're gonna sue you we're gonna sue you the USJ he's kind of stepped aside there you have it we'll see uh T.C. I do before we move on to some of this O.W.G.R stuff I think I want to issue some condolences for Paul Casey. World number 26. What a contend, actually.

What a live. What a historic and historic. What a unicephan, bastard. Historic pussy. Um, you know, sad outside events on principle decided that didn't really like those principles. You know what I reconsidered? I thought about it from the other side.

And, and he will be, he the newest baller. If I was that, I'd want me to play. I heard other side and and he will be he the newest I was that I want me to play I heard my back and he will be playing at the next event which is at Trump National Bedminster up by where my wife's from how about that Northern New Jersey you guys gonna go? No we will we will not be here we will be we'll be on tourist sauce July 29th and 31st grab your tickets They're selling out. It's just like Cheshire's fest. It's a standing room only.

DJ, any final thoughts? I want to give you the floor here on the OWGR stuff. Nothing on Paul KC, really, other than, you know, I think a couple of players, I think JT mentioned this on the podcast last week. That feels like it was a hundred years ago now. Five, six days ago. Six days ago.

I think JT mentioned the Jimmy Dunn piece, which I can't remember if that was in golf.com or golf digest where that was. But Jimmy Dunn, just historic golf guy has been around. Historic alpha really, just kind of a kind of a crock. It's just kind of known. It's just known. Known alpha across industries, both amateur and professional. I thought he absolutely detonated people in the face

with his quote in there that was basically like, nobody who has it has gone. And maybe a couple of the guys used to have it. Couple of the guys, most of the guys never had it, but nobody that has it has gone to this thing. And I certainly would add Paul Casey to the scratchy thing. Which is, I mean, of those people. Drive by on TC and his DJ take.

He had it. He had it. He just doesn't have it anymore. Fair enough. Did you guys see the things in the green briar? Oh, the greens. God. That shirt was that race car on a shirt?

I couldn't tell. I was like, we winding it to see what was on a shirt. It's incredible. I mean, we might have to, you know, maybe cop that for the NLU Pro Shop. I smell a hot cake. I smell a Jim Justice lady J. A Jim Justice leg, Greg collaboration coming.

100 P is gonna get in on this live money, somewhere. Like Jim Justice will be involved. That man. He will be deposed in the eventual lawsuits. What are they called pork roll in like legislature? Pork barrel. Pork barrel. He's like, I know his pork barrel when are they called pork roll in like, like, legislate pork barrel. Pork barrel. He's like, I know his pork barrel when he sees it.

He's like, oh, baby. He's like, he's pork roll. Neil's been spending too much time in New Jersey. Yeah, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's an earmark opportunity. Yeah, once you just earmarked me some of those funds, we can do an event here next year. You can read my lips.

We will see prediction hot take. We will see Jim Justice passing out cash in the grandstands at a live event within five years. That's my pre-alls. Yeah, that's possible. I do want to give a lash out to Jenny Chiro, Kozuma for his solo sixth finish, finished ahead of Taylor Gooch, Matt Wolff. Watch him now.

He's going to go down a leaderboard. Bryson, Gator can consider him shattered out. I would actually like to drive by Matt Wolf just a little bit too, as he was talking about how, you know, basically just like this is bullshit, man. I haven't really enjoyed like being a pro golfer. Dude, I feel you, that sounds like it sucks. I would love to go back to college like that.

I would love to go back to college like that. Everybody that graduated from college had when they were 25. Like man, this kind of sucks. I gotta go to work and make money. And again, I just kind of want to go back and do keg stands. That'd be cool. And again, I point out fully his decision to if you have an opportunity, Neil,

if somebody knocked on your door and said, Neil, I'll pay all your bills, I'll five extra salary, and you can just go back to Columbia and get blacked out. Like, I would support you to make that decision on your own to do that. I don't have to think it's a good decision. I don't have to be like, wow, Neil's really got a shit together. Like that's awesome what he's doing.

I'm really proud of Neil for making that decision. Especially when said person like admittedly hates playing golf and says he doesn't want to play golf in like five years. But just all of it, man, I can't see my instructor because he lives in California. It's just it's too hard to, well, maybe you don't have to live in Florida like that's, that's a choice that you made. It's just a lot of guys reckoning with choices that they've made.

And I hate when that happens. You hate when the, how did you get yourself so deep in this so soon, man? What? You say, hate when the consequences of people's decisions come back to get them. You hate that. All right, so OWGR stuff. How do you want to set this up, Dej?

I think that it just, it kind of hit me this week, I think, that that kind of seems like the only question that matters for a lot of reason. It might be the silver bullet right now. The smoking gun, well, the smoking gun would be that it already happens. It's the silver bullet. It hasn't happened gun. Well, the smoking gun would already happen. It's the silver bullet.

It hasn't happened yet. And before, I think before we get it, get too deep into it, I think it's worth noting that it seems like their strategy, who's they? Like third leg ragging the gun. It seemed like their strategy maybe, just, hey, just go through the courts

and then be like, make the argument that the OJBGR is no longer relevant if these guys get held out of it. Possibly, and I would love to, I would love to discuss and unpack all of those decisions. We're gonna operate under the assumption here that these guys care about the majors, right? Because that's where some of this breaks down

and admittedly, like if you tell me, like no, no, no, well, they just don't care about playing the majors or they don't care about, you know, any of tell me, no, no, well, they just don't care about playing the majors or they don't care about any of this stuff, then I have no refute to that, no rebuttal to that. If you, yeah, then you should leave and go play this as events where they pay you way more, and there's no pressure, and you don't even have to play well.

It sounds like a great idea. It's so fun. These guys are just having so much fun. They're just, they're, they're cheeks hurt from smiling so much. And there's more, and there's more guys coming. Cool, fuck those guys too. So, so just to start at the beginning,

the current status of kind of the, the state of play, where, where we're at. DJ got in the thread game on Twitter. Well, you have to at some point. That's the thing is like, threading out his thoughts, talking to sources. Well, you try to eight ways to become a creative like me. I have that, it's in my drafts.

No, you try to do these things one tweet at a time and you just end up arguing with for sure. Dipshit the whole day. So, just a lot of people, I tweeted like very complicated thoughts and like, well, you know that Phil's already qualified for the Master's next year. I was like, I'll never consider it. I was like, do you think I just wrote all that without knowing how this works? Like, yeah, no wonder.

All the shipper extent. Anyways. So, live golf, this is gonna be very rudimentary, right? Live golf events do not have world ranking points. Why is that a big deal, Neil? Because world ranking points dictate who gets into the majors. It's exactly right.

Do you know the cutoffs for those? So, not to set you up. Top 50, get into the masters at your end and also the week before the masters. If you know the cutoffs for those? So not to set you up. Top 50, get it in the masters at your end and also the week before the masters. If you're in the top 50, you're in the masters. If you're in the top 60, you get in the US open. And I think British open, I think is top 50 as well. And top 100, get into the PGA.

And that's the same for the WGC's, top 60. Right, but those have mostly gone away at this point. But for match play, that's how it works, right? They have 64 goes off of OWDR. Yeah, 64. Yeah. Okay. I would imagine these guys are banned from those events. No, anyways, but there are many other ways to get into majors, which we don't have to get into. Many people know this. The open, the open qualifying series. For instance, there is open

qualifying. A lot of loop, we got to close the loop. Open qualifying at the US Open, you can go to a local qualifier got to close the loop. There's open qualifying at the US Open. You can go to a local qualifier, sectional qualifier. There's open qualifying for the British Open. Masters, you can win the USM. You can do it. Sure, you could get, I would love to see any of these guys get their amateur status back.

I think that would be a pretty rich, rich situation. They're getting an NIL deal from the Saudis. Yes, exactly. But I think one of the, That's sick. One of my favorite things about all of this was it just seems like live is approaching all the world ranking stuff very much from the point of, well, either A, we'll just figure that out when we get there. Or B, if we have all the best players,

like, how can they stop us from having ranking points? Right. Question for you, they basically they have to apply for a status as a tour to be qualified for world ranking points. They do, and there's a whole process that they have to go through, which the- Except if your PGA tour China. Well, yes, but also PGA tour China, hold that question, hold all your questions,

so the- Don't throw them off. What about China? What's just a true, what about China? But it's a good point. Remind me when we get to the one year waiting period, because that's when PJ Tore China comes in. So, God damn it. Don't do that to me.

Have they applied for status yet? You have to wait a year to join. So there's like the out of the year, but you don't have to wait a year to buy a gun. How about that? How about that? Your comments. Sorry, I'm all over the place now. Have they applied as a leak? So the last we heard from Norman on this,

unless I missed it somewhere this week, was that he said they were going to apply the Monday after the US Open. Reporting with some hashtag sources, I don't know that that's true. Maybe it is at this point, but at least earlier in the week, I don't think that that was true. I would never suggest that Norman would say something and then do the opposite. That would be far be it for me to suggest that, but that could be going on. So let's, let's operate any assumption

that they did apply. Yes. One, are they in compliance? Not even close. Okay, what is compliance? There's like 15 different things. And a lot of this is the number of holes you play, like the OWGR says you have to play 72-hole events, they say you have to have a cut, they say you have to have a minimum of

10 events, which they don't have. They say you have to have a minimum field size of 75 or something like that. They say you have to have a Q school, they say you have to, like, there's a number of things that they do not hit. Okay. you have to, there's a number of things that they do not hit. And so a lot of that is like, yes, maybe you can make an argument and you could squint on some of this stuff and maybe try to possibly connect the dots, but something like the, what do they call it?

They're international series on the Asian tour. They might try to say, oh no, no, no, no, no, that's part of it. Like those events are part of it. that brings like our average field size up But if that was the case then like Like there's no real connection between live and the Asian tour other than just like the PIF Fluns everything okay, right? So and they would have to have some sort of framework around who gets into what events right?

Because otherwise they're just random 48 guy Invitational yeah, so there's arbitrarily Right. Because otherwise they're just random 48 guy invitational. Yeah. So there's a lot of nitty-gritty to get into, but just suffice it to say they're not even close right now. And so a lot of one of the other big things is that once you are in compliance, you have to wait one year. You have to basically be in compliance for a year. And what I don't understand is if that is like, if you have to literally prove it for

a year or if you have to say this is our roadmap for the next year and if you have to literally prove it for a year, or if you have to say like, this is our roadmap for the next year, and if you're in compliance, if you check all those boxes, maybe that counts as your year. As T.C. said, what about China? I think there is a little bit of a, a little bit of a, a kind of like conundrum about P.J. tour China.

A lot of people, this is like always kind of the silver bullet when you talk to people in the know, they're like, oh no, no, no, no, like we got them. The PJ tour skipped the waiting period for China. So if they make us do a waiting period, like we can say it's anti-competitive. I think if I, this is a total guess, and I'm hand up so far out of my depth

on all the legal stuff as you guys are, I know. But I think it probably would be different if it is the PGA tour and the China Golf Tour, which are both sanctioned OWGR things, coming together and starting a new series, rather than just a brand new thing coming out of left field, like the fucking Kool-Aid man through the wall, and saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, trust us.

We're dialed. Like, we're not waiting a year. We're going right, and we have 40 nations ready to roll right now. Yeah. I don't think that's gonna go well. Like, I don't think they're saying, like, yeah, we're gonna wave the one year.

So let's operate under the assumption that their waiting period starts say beginning of next year, 2023. Meaning, and the only reason I say that would be they announced this week, which has to be like them trying to get closer to compliance for OWGR stuff that they're going to go to 14 events next year instead of eight, right? So the minimum minimums 10.

Okay. So if they're clearly like trying to get closer to that slash, like trying to take over men's pro golf. So they're going to 14 next year. So let's say that they fix all the other shit or all the other shit somehow goes away, which it won't just on, you know, there's still no cut, there's fields still aren't big enough, there's still no Q school, there's still like all that stuff. Let's say they fix all that.

Let's give them the biggest benefit of the doubt possible and say that they fix all of that by the start of next year. And let's say that they prove compliance for all of next year and let's say that that counts as their one year waiting period, which I don't even know if it would, or if it would really be like a two year window, you know what I mean? Yes. Let's say that all that stuff happens. The guys who are currently on live now that they've basically been banned from the PJ tour and from the DP world tour and from all these other play like basically the two main sources where they're going to get the most world ranking points are going to sink like a fucking stone

in the world rankings over the next 12 months, 18 months. And the OWGR takes into account basically your tournament record over the past two years but it's weighted towards recency. Yes. So it goes for, I think it's a 13 week period where it's full points. Everything in the 13, the 13 most recent weeks is full points, right? But once you get outside of that, things basically start to depreciate. Yeah.

Is that your 13 most recent events or just the 13 most recent weeks? I think it's 13 weeks. Okay. So things start because it's a two year window, right? So it's not like the two year windows different for everybody. So the 13 weeks, once that hits, your points start to depreciate. Because if you stop playing, just you're gonna fall. If you're just not competing.

So just to put it into perspective, Phil, it's funny that the last of any played was the Saudi event before his break. The last place where Phil earned World Ranking Points was the Saudi event. I think he was like 38, 34, something like that in the world. And then he didn't play for five months. So I bring that up because just to show what happens when you don't get points, there's two ways to get points, right? It's not like you just fall down by not playing, although you do because your points depreciate.

Also anybody who's behind you who does a mass points moves past you, right? That's fairly obvious. So when you're not playing, like, you're just gonna get lapped. So fill over those five months of not earning any points, I think drop to like, what is he now, 84? Something like that. So you basically drop 50 points in five months. Yeah. Which I'm just teasing it out.

And like, if all of these guys are not playing PJ Tour events, they're not, like, basically what they have left is the open, which would be big points in a couple of weeks. And then like question mark for the rest of the year, right? Like they all said they don't want to play any more events. They all said like, I just want to spend more time with my family. Are they going to Asian Tour events

to try to keep their rankings up? Now they're playing more than, now they're traveling more. Yeah, and not spending time with their family I think the the best example you gave in your your Twitter thread was was tiger. Yeah, yeah walk me through that one Okay, so tiger obviously has he's another good example of somebody who has battled injuries I would say

over the last couple years so after the memorial I would say over the last couple of years. So after the memorial in 2020, he was 14th in the world. He finished T40 at the memorial in 2020. He was 14th in the world, right? And so you got to think behind that, he's got the 2019 Masters. He's got the Zozo win. He's got the Torch Championship.

I think that was 18. But maybe that's still on there, depending on how the calendar falls. So you've got likes to borrow a phrase, some big dick events and and some and some horses in the back. The masters counts in that BDE category. He's still got some stuff, even though it's losing, you know, weight, it's still got some good points behind him. He was number 14 in the world after that memorial. After now today, like after, you know, two years about, he is number 943. It doesn't take long.

It does not take long. Another Tiger example, I think I looked up that, I forget the time frame, but Tiger was 22, I think 22 in the world after the 2020 US open, I think it was. And it basically took him even with a little bit of playing. He made a cut at the Masters, and I think that was about it. He, it took him about 30 weeks to drop outside of the top 100.

So again, it's fleeting. It's, it's fleeting and it's gonna go really freaking fast. And so the only reason that matters is, I guess from a sponsor perspective, a lot of these guys are, if they have existing is, I guess, from a sponsor perspective. A lot of these guys are, if they have existing contracts, they're probably bonus on world rankings. Like, it's not like the sponsors are just going to be like, oh, sorry, you joined a new league. Like, cool, we'll adjust that for you. Well, it's, it's like world rankings and starts. Yeah. And both of those things. So like,

I, because that, that's one element of this that I've been curious of is like, you know, seeing Brooks rock up in a Nike hat. It's like right in Nike's backyard. It's like, man, like for like, maybe the wakist, you know, a parallel company out there. They've also been known though to stick with guys in controversy. Like, they were the only sponsors stick with Tiger. Yeah. We're also like Rory and Tiger are their guys.

I mean, to someone and Rory and Tiger are both fucking livid at sure at a guy like Brooks. I would think that they would side with Rory and Tiger. You think so let's go through because this is all this conversation specifically is all around what happens these guys with for the majors, right? And we'll get to maybe discussing what the majors are thinking about doing as organizations but right now, specific guys exemption status. Well, so before we get there, sorry, where all of this is going to get hung up and where it's important to talk about this is with the OWGR board. Because what's going to happen is

Liv is going to bring their application for and say Neil, we would love world ranking points, please. And then Neil's going to take it to the OWGR board, which, first of all, the board can look at like the application process. I'm pretty sure if I'm reading kind of the guidelines, right, is undefined. Like, what if it takes some two years to review the application, right? Like, what, I don't know how that. Neil lost it on the way to the office. I don't know how that. You lost it on the way to the office. I don't know how that's going to go, but watch, watch this space or that.

What if they're not fireballs? Things exactly. So they would then come back and say, like, okay, you need to change this, this, this, and this. We're not going to prove you until you do blah, blah, blah, you can go back and forth a little bit on, you know, how that works. And then let's say eventually it comes to a vote, right? There's seven voting members. And I know this is all very tedious and procedural, but it is important. There's seven voting members on the OWGR board that would have to have a majority thumbs up thumbs down for this, the cabal. So, Jaymonahan is one of them. Keith Pelley, DP World Tour. Keith, don't call me Scott.

Pelley, Augusta National has a seat. The U.S. GA has a seat. Shout out to Mike Wahn. The PGA of America has a seat. Shout out to Seth Waw. And the RNA has a seat. And the seventh seat is kind of like a collection. It's, I think it's called the International Federation of PGA Tours. The coalition. The coalition of the willing is the seventh seat is kind of like a collection. It's I think it's called the International Federation

of PGA tours. The coalition of the willing is the seventh seat. So for a lot of the like, well, Jay needs to recuse himself from this vote. Keith Pelley needs to recuse himself from this vote. Like, yes, sure. I think there's a massive, massive conflict of interest if this tour gets off the ground

is going to nuke both of their tours. Like I would agree with that. They probably should recuse themselves, right? So then you still have five people voting. And then it's literally just up to the majors, right? So all of this is up to the majors on what they want to do essentially, right? I mean, let's say that it's just Pele and Monahan and the International Federation are voting no and all the majors vote yes, then that's it It's in the majors have decided like world ranking points are you know We're our events will be cheapened if these guys are not in the field So that's how we're gonna go and so I am not even waiting into like what what guys should do and what they shouldn't do and

Like not even getting into any of that. I'm just Purely explaining like here's how it works. And so for all the dipshit responses that are gonna be like, oh yeah, but they'll just, I think I got the money, they'll just make it happen. It's like, no, that's not how it works. Like you can't just be like Mike one. Here's a billion dollars like vote yes.

I'm sure people's brains have been so like, the IOC and went feet, but think that that's what's gonna happen. It seems like you can do that in some sort. What about China? That's a great point, T.C. I hadn and it went feet by. To think that that's what's gonna happen. It seems like you can do that in some sort. What about China? That's a great point, TZI hadn't thought about that one. I do think it's interesting the concept of like, like the Saudis leaning on Rex Tillerson or like the members here.

Different Augusta members who do business with Saudi Arabia. Totally. You know, could get interesting. Like that gets fascinating. I think that the room's a power. I think if I'm guessing right now, could get interesting. Like that gets fascinating. I think that the background is a power. I think if I'm guessing right now, purely a guess, I mean, I would guess the majors are going to stand with the PJ tour and with the DP World Tour and vote no.

At which point then you're going to get all these, you know, the people who have these boners for live golf being like, this is bullshit then the OWGR is not even a real ranking system. Like this is cheapening everything. Despite the fact that like you said, Brain and Grace hasn't beaten anybody in four months and is out there dominating. Like I think there's gonna be such this idea of like who Dustin Johnson was four years ago,

two years from now, right? And there's gonna be this like massive confusion of like how can he's the best player in the world? How can you not have him in the rankings? Well, and there's all the guys that have their exemptions into these majors, like those exemptions don't run forever. So let's go through those. Yeah, so let's say they vote yes

and the OWJR starts ticking for them in 2024, just thought exercise the year. So by that point, I would guess, again, somebody who's much smarter can fact check me on this, but by that point, a lot of these dudes have dropped into what the 400, 500s in the world, right? So it's gonna be a slow climb to get back. And again, I don't mean to keep pushing this off,

but just... They better win the Singapore Open when they're rockin'. Like just to, like, the cherry on top of all this stuff, as I understand it, is now live has like signed these extended contracts with all these dudes who are going to fall off an OWGR cliff. So that even if they do get points two years from now, a year and a half from now, whatever, now you've got these tiny fields. Yeah. And all these guys who rankings,

fucking stink who are just gonna be like dragging down the strength of field and not really allowing these guys to even claw back up. It's like they're not even part of the ecosystem. It's basically like a glorified sunshine tors. Yes, exactly. That's really sick. It's sick. It's so sick.

And so that it becomes like... It's actually in the boys booby trapped it, man. So that it becomes like, okay, now they need to spend even more money and get the top five in the world, the top 10 in the world, to slowly start bringing up the strength of the field. And we're not even gonna get into it. Which is the timing could work on that,

because the Perez is and the guys that initially signed on is that first wave, by that point, want to cash out anyway. Right. So it could, that might be true. Yeah. But like, there's also all this other shit that's going on, and this has all been reported.

Like all the shit is, there's some stuff you got to kind of like have the right conversations and talk to like people who actually know how these things work, but a lot of this shit is just like on the OWGR website, it's just very confusing and it takes a long time know how these things work. But a lot of this shit is just like on the OWGR website, it's just very confusing and it takes a long time to actually sus it out. But what's also interesting,

and this has all been reported, is I think in August, I think it's for the first playoff event, I could be wrong. But the OWGR is about to change in a really big way with how they do strengths of field. And so anti-corruption, anti-manipulation. Yes, and so basically what that means

is, it's all I could explain this much better than I can, but there are minimum first place points that like the European tour gets and each of these, you know, the Asian tour and- Flagship events. Japan tour and all these events get like these minimum points now. Even if they're not meeting the strength of field. Which is what allows the manipulation that we see in the WGC's places like that.

A legend. So what's going to end up happening now is that, and then it also works where it's so top heavy. So like if you have the top, you know, if you have number one and number four in your field at the John Deere Classic, it brings the John Deere strength of field up massively. And so what it's gonna do instead is basically look at much more holistically, like, no, no, no, no, like what's the actual depth of field?

And so that's gonna hurt things like the tour championship, which is only 30 guys, right? So like those 30 guys also playing in, you know, the first play of Memphis, right? Like obviously Memphis should have a much stronger strength of Memphis, right? Like obviously Memphis should have a much stronger strength of field, right? And I don't necessarily think that's how it works now because it's not as weighted.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like the hero world challenge has way too many world ranking points and there's like 22 guys in the field. Right. 18 guys in the field. And if you remember, the hero world challenge, which is a great example of something that's like,

wait, wait, how the fuck does that have world ranking points? I, my read on that is it took them a really long time to get them. If you remember, they did that tournament for a number of years before they, before they did get those points, which I have to think is probably some of this back and forth, OWG are like approval process. And then, too, it's also like a co-sanctioned, it's sanctioned by the PGA tour, right,

which is different. So, you're probably screaming a couple things if you're a very particular person, you're probably screaming a couple things that your speakers right now. One, PGA tour has no cut events, that's very true. They also have like 37 or 38 cut events, like full field cut events.

This is a tour that's basically trying to be exclusively no cut events with with less than 72 holes with less than 72 holes. And that's the other things you probably are saying like well they have they had give 54 whole events that you know the fucking sunshine tour or the Asian development tour or any of those stuff. You can go go click through. I think there was another one that allowed them to, but they're all massively kneecapped at the amount of points they're able to get. They basically have a max amount of points because they're able to develop mental tour. Right.

You know, and at some point it's like, you do have to basically create a delineation. Otherwise it's like, yeah, the seminal pro members getting world ranking points or the JP McManus Pro Am this week is getting world ranking points. And it's not right. I kind of thought it was. I thought that's where you're going for a second. I was like, oh, fuck, man, I missed that. But yes, that's like exactly it, right? Where it's like, how can you say Dustin Johnson, not one of the best players in the world? Like, well, he's playing the JP McManus Pro Am, man. Like, that's not a, like, the system has to be consistent somewhere. Like, you can't, you can't just make it up as you go. And the Randy would love it, but it can't just be an high test out there

on what these things are. So, sorry, that's a lot of, that's a lot of explanation. So that takes us to the next question, which is what happens at the majors the next couple years? Yes. What are the specific exemption statuses of some of the top lip players? Because you could argue that the masters

is an already limited field. Would they willingly kneecap their own strength of field? Right. By taking these guys out. Yeah. But in the public view, because it's, when you don't have, you know, a certain, like certain guys, well, I think I'm just thinking about this now, but I think

the masters could get away with like both banning the OWG, like not banning, but voting down the OWG are points and exempting the past champions, right? The guys field size the same. So a lot of these guys are like, and that all is going to be- And actually makes their event even more- Right. Strong. Yeah. So like a lot of these guys are, you know,

a lot of the shit is just going to come up, you know, with what the master says in April. And I think that is just kind of like starting to take shape for me even more, which is interesting. What did they give an exemption to the captain of each team, which that's a complete thing that they could do, right? Like they give exemptions to everybody who makes the tour championship as kind of an arbitrary, like if you're in the top 30 on the FedEx Cup, like you get into the majors, all four guys

and the crushers get in because they're they're ballin' out this year. They could totally do that if they wanted to that would not Involveway rank points at all. There's a lot of ways to get into major. There has to be some like it's like we were just saying like there has to be consistency somewhere in the system But not a gust there. They're just gonna do whatever they want whenever they want so truly and imitate truly Yeah, so a lot of these guys I mean like let's take Phil for instance, right masters. He's exempt for life. He's one, he's exempt. Until they tell him that he's not. PGA Championship, exempt for life.

I think they have kind of a, like, tap you on the shoulder, please don't come back. Rule, but exempt for life. US Open, because he won the PGA, he's exempt through 2026. He's a walker and he's to get that PGA down the shoulder. Open championship, he's exempt through 2026. So Phil, yes, we'll play if they allow him, like he'll play's exempted through 2026. So Phil, yes, we'll play. If they allow him, like he'll play all the majors through 2026, no matter what happens

to world ranking points. Dustin Johnson, very similar in the Masters for Life in the PGA through 2025 because of his US Open win. I did all these very quickly. So if I'm wrong on any of these, I'm probably not wrong by much, but I might be US Open similar 2026 in Open ChampionshipChamie Chip 2025. Brooks, in the Masters through 2024, in the PGA for life, OpenChamie Chip,

I think through 24, and then US Open, I think is 10 years, so that would be. 29? Yes, I think that's right. You win in 2019, I think you did. Yes. 28 or 29, whatever, you're one. At some point, the USGA could say,

all right, we're gonna consider sectional qualifiers those get world-rank points as well Sure 36 whole events and you tack on your local qualifier Yeah, you know what I mean? It's like there's this slippery slope right and that that's standard That's where all this shit is like and I cannot say how many times I've been guilty of this as well But it just gets so oversimplified. And you're like, well, they should just do this. It's like, well, dog, there's downstream effects of doing that. There has to be very boring. It's very, very boring.

And the PJ Tours is very good at being very boring and very fucking correct about a lot of the procedural stuff. Like policy stuff is very boring, but it kind of has to exist for a reason. So Bryce and Simler, he's exempts, you know, and everything through 25, and then I think the US open through 2030. But here's where it gets interesting. Well hold on, what about P?

P's gonna fall off the cliff after next year. Right, so he won what, the 2017 master? He's a master for life. So he's in the master's for life, but then a five year exemption through everything else. So that after next year, he would not be in anything. Should be at the green briar. Exactly.

It should be Falconry. Shootin' Falcon's probably. We had Dad. This is. Work is really interesting, and I'm not being alarmist here. I'm just trying to spell all this out that like someone like Sergio Garcia,

in the Masters for Life, right? He won that, but the PGA, so he won in 17, which gives you a five year exemption and everything else, that obviously ends this year. So the PGA would end this year, US open would end this year, open championship would end this year,

unless he wants to go to qualifying, which all these guys have been such massive bitches about everything that like, do you picture these guys like going and showing up at a 36-hole qualifier? 36-hole qualifier, like maybe, I don't know. But. What if they're so low in the world ranking at that point too, that they don't automatically

get to get a local. Yeah, they're to low. Exactly. So, I think that's interesting just from a peer perspective. From that he won. From a peer perspective of like, it's not out of the realm of possibility that two weeks from now is the last time Sergio Garcia

plays the Open Championship, which is wild to think about. And did offer Westwood, who's only in this year because he was on the Ryder Cup team, I think. And Ditto for someone like Polter, who was only in there because I think he was top 30 DP world or something like that, which obviously would go away. And then you start looking, and so all of this is, it's interesting from the major championship perspective.

Those guys are good for a really long time, right? Not good for ever, but they're good for a really long time. Someone like Abe Answer is not in shit. He's going to be outside the top 50. Gooch. By the time next year starts, he's number 22 now, right? What did I say? 30 weeks to fall outside of the top 100?

Roughly. Like he's clock ticking. Smell ya. Taylor Gooch, he's gone. even like Louis Usthason, who's been second and everything, he's 21 in the world now, like, what's he exempted to? He open?

No, it's 10 years is up. Oh shit. See ya. Like, does he, you, so maybe these guys, again, there are many ways to get into majors, but most of them involve playing on the PJ

Tour or the DP World Tour. Like, so that's the current state of things without the OWGR. And then even when the OWGR kick in, the strength of the fields are going to be so bad. So then the hope for the live, the OWGR, OWGR kicking in would be the boon for the second round of defections. You would think, right? That's the key. Or they have to pay all that upfront money

all over again to all these guys. Like I guess that's- Maybe they affect that factor in. Yeah, maybe they do. Or maybe, yeah. Or maybe, again, I'm so far over my head on all the legal stuff, but maybe it becomes quickly apparent

that like this is anti-competitive and you know, you're not letting it outsiders and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like that seems to me like it would take a really fucking long time, but like, like I don't get how you can file an injunction and just give them like points for the time being or something like, you know what I mean? Like it just a lot of finds there will be precedent with other leagues that they've led into the OWG right over the last 40 years. So that's the thing, right?

Like they've made all these other leagues change and say like, no, no, no, you're not there yet. You're not there yet, you're not there yet. Like, so then they came like a few for damages. Any competitive if they like didn't. Yeah, they just made an exception to the liftboard, right? That would be, that would be the outlier. Yeah, so the, the, the finds that Pelley has like put forth

for the non-co sanctioned PGA tour, DP, World Tour tournaments, where it's like a hundred, you know, a hundred thousand pounds, and that money goes to the other players. It's so sick. Who are the members? And Norman's basically said, we'll float that. So if those guys want to rock up to, you know, two or three national opens on the DP World Tour, I mean, peace, like, it's like peace piss because he's a lifetime member opens on the DP World Tour. I mean peace like but it's like peace piss because He's a lifetime member on the European DP World Tour, which you become a lifetime member if you were a major

That's it. That's it. That's all that means so but he's he's crying for all these like yo I want to take advantage of it. Yeah, so that's why all these guys are pissed is now there's 14 of the top 15 of the world Playing the Scottish Open this week and all these guys like, what the fuck, I want to play. You can't just let me not play. What do you mean? You were serious about that? You were a static? Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, man. Yeah, so now for all the victory laps of, you know, oh my God, like what a recruiting tool this looks like so much fun. Like, imagine how great a ball or ass Scottish open this week would be for a, like, where's that? The Renaissance. The Renaissance song. The Renaissance song.

It might be like when, decide the point. When Dale Jr. won, you know, after his dad died, you know, it was like, oh, Dale Jr. won. Like, you know, it's kind of like Rory went on the Canadian open. Sure. The midst of all this stuff. And then that leads into the freaking open championship at St. Andrews. So, so all of this is to say, like, unless you're planning on playing Asian tour events or some other route

that like I haven't foreseen, which is certainly possible. These, these guys better like ball the fuck out at the open championship, because they're not going to get points for a really long time. So it all goes back to the, what we started this conversation with is under the assumption they care about playing in majors. Right. Which again, maybe they don't. And then we don't want them in the majors. If you don't care about being there, then... And not only that. They're not getting reps, like they're getting reps against the 15 of the other guys that are decent, but like they're not getting reps on great golf courses against the best in the world.

This idea and they're fat and happy on these on these up front. That was Jimmy Dunn's point. Yes. And the article of like, you know, Iron Sharpen's iron, like you're not getting the reps. You're not you're not in the fire. You're not in the cauldron on this tour. Bapareza 80. Yeah.

Yesterday. I bet I bet with you that we're on the team. It's like, man, doesn't matter. How do you think there's gonna be 18 months with their head out in Bangkok? And like, yeah, I'm sure they're gonna really be just grinding it out. That's been one of the biggest shocks to me is like,

they've set these courses up. Like really not very easy. And I thought, you know, or they stink. It's hard to say. We have to come in and have say we have to In a word Iconic But yeah, it's just crazy to me that like they're like it's not like they're gonna be more motivated now I know like first place gets four million bucks

But does four million bucks mean as much to you when you when you've cleared 120 right plus your PGA tour earnings Yeah, You know, and all that stuff. So it's just, there hold not a lot of hope for hashtag legal. Yeah. So it's, it's very, very, very interesting from a like, like you said, maybe they don't care about the majors, and that's fine. But like I, I just don't in my most optimistic way possible, I don't see how you can, in my most optimistic way possible. I don't see how you can overtake professional golf without by treating the majors like they don't exist. Sure.

And the only reason we give a shit about any of these guys is because of what they've done in the major. Yes. Where's the next crop coming from? Like you think they're... Which some people would argue that, all right, like isn't that more reason for the tour to a seed to this? If the tour does, you know, it's basically admitting that the tour doesn't matter. Maybe. Uh, yeah, I don't know, but it's like, like

the tour seems like a pretty good mechanism by which to select and identify the best players who get into the majors. Yeah, because consistency what, that's what makes you the best player. That's why I'm Monday fall. Yeah, totally. Back in the day when Jack Nichols had a Monday every event, you know, like anyone can get hot for a day. Can you do it for four days or over the course of the season? Maybe Patrick Flavin needs to be exempted all the majors.

Or the Coon brothers. Or Nagle. Yeah, how about that? Yeah. So let's talk a little corn fairy So there were some changes on the corn fairy. Yeah, a lot of changes on the corn fairy. This is I think starting what 20 I think 24. Yeah, so 24 so basically the tour is gonna go to a System where top 70 guys don't have to put a fall and There'll be what six events? I think that's right.

And that's like your, like Vegas and Houston and Sanderson. Sanderson, C.I. Island, the things of the fortune. Yeah, yeah. And basically those are to solidify, you know, the top, how many guys in that, the top 30 guys or the top? So the top 70, get through to the playoffs after the playoffs. Their season's done if they want it to be, right?

After that 71 to whatever, call it 200 or wherever the field kind of runs out, yeah, are all basically jockeying for position for that next like 125. So or not next 125, but until number 125, right? So the way the priority ranking works is Neil seven, using you for all my examples. If you're 71 after, what would be the windom? Or if Transplant is in the lab? If Transplant is implemented, possibly the John Deere.

You're number 71. You would then have to go play the fall to basically like keep your priority ranking where it is. So I think what's going to end up happening is it's going to be weighted, which sucks. They should do clean slate, relegation, baby. I think it's going to be some very complex formula that, again, is very hard to explain, but probably makes perfect sense. Kind of a thing for fairness perspective.

So basically, if you're number 71 and Tron is number 150 after the wind him, Tron would have to play so much better than you to move up, then you would have to play to move down. But they would make it to where the guys could, like if you win, you know, let's say you win the fall, you could get to 70. Yes. Yeah, yeah. So it's, yeah, you go. It actually sounds pretty sweet. It's almost like a little kind of sprint spray. It sounds like a good, a good fall series for really, you know, avid golf fans. Yeah. Like, oh, you're going to watch guys playing for their livelihood. But also if you don't want to watch them, yeah, yeah, don't watch. And it doesn't affect these

season on race. You don't have to play. Like, yeah, you're one of the top players. Like, you can go play in the big money event, the three big money player events. I'm gonna do three big money classics. Go play in the Austrian Open stuff like that. Like I'm hoping that they do a good job of and you won't start behind in January. Yeah because there's no season going to where it's like yeah there's like there's dudes who like they do they do not want to play in the fall but they know they have to go to Korea or they have to go to tee it up at Vegas or go to Napa. And it sucked for the Cornfairy guys in the past two where like you just graduated the

PGA tour. So beyond that, that, you know, the way it currently works with the Cornfairy tour finals is they dump everybody out from the 125 to 200. So those 75 guys from PGA tour FedEx Cup standings, so 126 to 200, those guys get dumped into cornferri tour finals along with the top 75 guys from cornferri tour regular season, regardless of whether they, you know,

including the top 25 guys who already have their cards. We've already locked up their cards. And then those guys all square off for 25 more PGA tour cards. And then, you know, then there's a whole reshuffle and priority rank. Well, and there's a whole zipper system. So like you get to 126 and it's like, you know, 120, this is my not be right,

126 is a corn fairy tour finals guy. And then 127 is a PGA tour guy. And then corn fairy and blah, blah, blah. Or no, it's like, it's a corn fairy tour finals guy and then 127 is a PJ tour guy and then corn fairy and blah blah blah. Or no, it's like it's a corn fairy tour finals Guy and then number one from the corn fairy regular season. Yeah, and then number two from corn fairy tour finals And so basically there's like in an average year There's like I think what 13 guys from corn fairy tour Yeah, I don't know. It's like they did the math where basically like more corn fairy guys get through them

PJ tour guys advice first. I don't even remember vice did the math were basically like more corn fairy guys get through them PG tour guys advice first I don't remember vice versa. There's like eight guys or 10 it's like eight to 13 guys each time they they get through from corn fairy tour Through finals to get their cards, but then they have to play They're basically eating dumb to right back into the into the season like a week or two after They've they've gotten their card back a week or two after they're going to Napa to play. And then if they don't play well in the fall, they're like fucked for Q1 outside. It was like,

then they reshuffle down. And then basically they're not playing at all until, they'll play Zurich and then they play a couple of the weaker events in the spring. And then they end up playing like, like now they're trying to, you've got the Kalim Terrans and the, you know, like, Lauer, like they're trying to place seven events in a row to lock up their card and get up into the 125. Yep. It's also, they've

moved like the corn fairy tour schedule. We'll go to October. So to be, you know, much more January to, they'll still do the international stuff down in Columbia, Bahamas, Panama, all that stuff in kind of Q1. And then they'll basically extend the season out. It'll be 26 events still. But it's going through October instead of end of August. Now which basically gives all the guys coming from PGA tour you, which is what the top five or top 10?

Top five get, I think full status on the corn fair tour, but then they'll give more stars to the four. Which, that looks pretty freaking good this week as, you know, a homeboy almost wins the John Deere Classic and then Pearson Cooty after his win last week, you know. Yeah, in Maine. Yeah, it comes in birdies the first seven this week and kind of tell us.

And your point there being like, those guys easier for young talent to break out quick. Yeah, well, so, so it's like right now the PGA tour you guys are essentially going from, you know, NCAAs because it's, you know, it's, I think it's exclusively seniors, right? So it's guys who have stayed the whole time. Like the guys that aren't staying the whole time, they can make their way and do the Zalatoris thing or do the whole time. Like the guys that aren't staying the whole time, they can make their way and do this allotura thing or do, you know, but the guys that, you know, stay the whole time can basically go and like Ludwig, he'll be like the guy next year, right,

or two, either next year or two years. And so basically those guys right now have to go out and, you know, NCAAs are in May, and then they have to go out and you know NCAAs are in May and then they have to go out and play All summer you know June, July, August right after NCAAs go out and get it done and half the season Sure, whereas now the season's gonna be a lot more concentrated from you know June through October And also like that means better courses that means better conditions on those courses in fall means weeks off So like yeah, you know, you don't have to go play 14 weeks in a row like a lot of these guys do before finals events as well the finals events will just be souped up

Points and purses and all that stuff as well minimum purse is going up like another two or three hundred K Those guys from PJ to where you will have something a lot more closely resembling a full season to earn their card based on that five. Okay. And when I think it also, dovetails with, and we kind of skipped over this a little bit, or talked about it briefly, but the strategic alliance, the PJ Tour and the European tour, you know, forming their quote, whatever it is, strategic joint venture, whatever it is for 13 years. They're going to give 10 cards to the PJ tour. So if you're finishing the top 10 on the European tour, you now get a PJ tour card if you don't otherwise have one.

So what it kind of seems like they're doing is just creating like elevating the like I'm elevating the poster to a DP world tour member. I'm a little bit pissed. Yes and no, like I am too, of course, but I don't know. I don't know that you're not. They've been excited for 10 years now. Yes, certainly. Right. No, you know what I mean? It's like, well, what's cool? I mean, like, what's the alternative? Yeah.

Like I saw that that quite a bit this week. Like I would be pissed if I was a rank and file DP world tour guy that like You know can't get into the Scottish open this week and instead you got to go to barbersol and The week before the open championship and go play there. I just feel like my tour has been diminished Which which which it has been but also their cards and like this is this is on But it also like exists right now. It's been playing like million dollar versus like, yeah, it's just, like the, I'm with you 100%. But that it just is one of those like, like, cool, man, like, what's the idea to do differently? I wish somebody would come in with like a boat

load of cash and that the European tour and the PJ tour were on equal footing. That would be sick. That's that's not gonna fucking happen. What some of those players are saying is like, you should have talked to the Saudis. No, no, but that's what Keith don't call me Scott was saying that he basically told them, you know, with the... In Malta, with the Saudis, like,

you know, if you guys wanna get more involved with us, that's great. And they just basically went radio silent on them and tried, he basically was saying in his quotes. In the ecosystem. If you guys wanna play in the ecosystem, we will work with you and they didn't wanna work within the ecosystem.

They wanted to blow it all up. Yes. And so I think something else too, it seems like they're solidifying, there's gonna be, in my opinion, a little bit more churn based on quality. Cause the guys that are, you know, one through 25 or one through 30 in the

corn fairy toward regular season or just, you know, the corn fairy toward season now, their status will actually mean something. Like, they'll be a little bit higher up on the priority ring. Not sort of like a true card. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, Hey, you like you have status in the PGA tour. That doesn't mean you have, you know, 10 events here in the first five months of the season

and you better play well with those. Otherwise, you're not gonna get too many more. And we get Q school back. Yeah, that's what I think. That's a good thing. So now the top five finishers at Cornfairy Tour Q school, which they've always had, right, to get onto the Cornfairy Tour.

But now the top five finishers from that will go straight to the PGA Tour as well. How about that? And it's kind of a few more. So fewer cards for many of the people. I can imagine this was not a popular announcement of the John Deere Classic this week. There's probably quite a bit of bitching and moaning going on.

Well, you're a meagre. I'm guessing Stoops. Charlie Beljohn. It seems like a waffle man, not happy. On the whole, it's a great thing. He's not happy about the price of Bitcoin. That's it. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff.

All right, I feel a little bit of a mechalpa here to our Irish friends. We're pretty deep in the country. No, no, haven't mentioned the Irish open at Mount Juliet in inland Nicholas course. As T.C. says, soft AF, disgusting choice. He's from our native, Adrian Moran. Barack, when's, T.C.

Do you wish to opine? I do, I think I've called on all of our Irish listeners, followers, friends to formally apologize. Come at me, dog. From Australia. Yeah, like there was a, I tweeted a, I retweeted a DP World Tour tweet of someone, I think it was Jordan Smith hitting a three wood

from 241 yards away in the ball spun back. Hate that, bad look. With a three wood, it's spun back. It's the Emerald Isle in Inland, man, come on. I've had a lot of people say, oh, come on TC, Mount Juliet's one of our best parkland courses. I do not care, we don't care. We don't care. Let me just say our best parkland courses. I do not care. We don't care.

We don't care. Let me just say that. We don't care. And then, you know, all sorts of people saying, oh, well TC, none of the links courses want to give up valuable T times, especially after, first of all, this was announced a couple of years ago that they were going to be playing it here, I think.

I get that they don't want to give up on, you know, all sorts of bookings for those weeks or whatever they had it a hint a couple years ago. Listen, again, I don't care, have some fucking pride. This is your national open. You have a lot of golf courses. Like, it's like, we don't have the US open. Like, yeah, Brookline's got a short ass season.

Those members gave up their course for a few weeks. You know what? Because they have pride in their national. I guess their argument would be, you know, Parkland golf does exist here in Ireland. Yeah, but it's not very good. So a dare man is good. And like, you know, and I think some of it's like,

you've got, it's not that good. It's cool. Yeah. That's a good golf course. It's cool, but it's like, it's not like quintessentially in Irish and it's like, all right, like, do you want to do something where you make a bunch of money on gate or do you want to do something where like,

you want to show off your best. Let me stop you right there, the first one. Yeah, but for sure. But also, like tourism Ireland is like one of the sponsors of this event and they don't want to showcase like some of their best golf courses for the world. And I know they can argue that guys didn't turn up for it when it was at lunch.

But, you know, I would argue, you know, like with this whole strategic alliance thing, like you could make the Irish open a hell of a lot more, you know, can and should. Kind of a part of the ecosystem. Which feels like, I don't know if it'll be that one specifically, but it feels like what we talked about with the Rory stuff and the World Tour and getting these tours closer together.

Hopefully we get a full on international world series. And hopefully the Irish Evans part of that, but I think that it should be. It's down the pike a while. You know, I mean, shit, you had JT and Speed. That made me really happy. And Ricky going out playing the goats. Playing Lahinch.

Playing Lahinch, and Charlie. And Charlie. It was cool to see the make a wish people step in and that happened hook Ricky up was off with his hero is JT and I still have for some guy on Twitter I laughed so hard have a day Ricky Sam Burns and Sam Burns and Scotty we're out there today I guess you know and I like, Ron was pretty much the only one that turned up when they had it at, you know, but shit on it. But it's like, yo, I had no fucking desire to watch. Like I could imagine that if you put on a proper thing and really built something and not just a year-to-year-to-year basis, like super short-sighted, well, you know what, it

didn't work that one year we had at a hinge. You know what, screw it, we're just gonna give up on it, and we're gonna have it at Parkland courses from now on. Like, look at that, man, have some pride. You know? Hey, Matt, T.C. I'm with you. And build something year over year over year,

and get some more guys to come, and you know what, maybe it needs to go on the back end of the open, where it's like, you know, it's something afterwards to where it's kind of like Harbor Town after the Masters. Yeah. You know, that's cool. I like that. I don't know.

I just, I feel like to, like going back to the PGA Tour schedule, there's a certain element of, I think there's going to be, if there's season shorter, every event means a little bit more, right? There's less events, you know. So you would think that, you know, guys would be a little bit more inclined to add one later in the year if they knew that they didn't have to turn up and play a bunch of stuff, you know. You think it's going to be like the John Deere, like something's going to get squeezed out.

And if we're, you got to sacrifice it. We're propping up the Scottish, which I think is going to be awesome. And that's kind of the way it goes. But also, I'm with you though, I wish they was a better venue. Yeah, but also, you know, I don't know, I just think too, there's like the other way around with the tour is appearance face. Yeah. You know, I mean, at some point, like it seems like they've, they have gotten, they have gotten

buy-in, they can't do appearance face because that, it's in their bylaws that they can't because it protects all the sponsors basically, but You know if they basically said I thought it was also a piece of the trade organization the nonprofit status They can only rope that's why the the pip and or know the Play 15 get 50k like that's never made sense to me like how well I you can't do that I thought the whole point was like the PGA tours only allowed to award players money for Basically competitive finishes, but that is like I think they dad is a competitive thing, right? Like you sure that is a very objective. Did you play 15 or did you not? Yeah, there's no like fit

Yeah, but also like that money could be coming straight from the sponsor For some like they get around like travelers doesn't they get around it. Yeah, you know, you know, there's there's all sorts I mean RBC does it there's all sorts of stuff, but but you know, it's like You know, it just seems like one of those things where I do give the tour credit I think they're moving now as fast as as they can now like as a membership organization they have to take this stuff to the pack they have to take this stuff to the board You know, I don't know how much sway the players have over the actual board, but also like the board doesn't vote against what the pack says either. Like they're not, you know, and like they're

not trying to blow shit up. Yeah, it's not it's not a budding heads type of a situation. And I do owners and players as I do feel like if they tried to do this same stuff two years ago, the players would have laughed in their face. Like a lot of the rank and file players were to laugh in their faces. No, I think having an enemy has, it's basically just giving them carpalaw, it should be like, keep words my pen man. And it's like the guys, the Peter Monodies of the world, like, all right, cool man, like you're going to get a little bit smaller piece of the pie and like Rory is going to get a little bit more and ROM is going to get a little bit more and JT's going to get a

little bit more. But like in this other scenario, like there may not be any pie. Yeah. There's no pie, dude. All right. Start our initial descent. Well, yeah, we're about, yeah,

we're about two hours deep, boys. I didn't expect the John Deere to go to be the marathon of the year. Wilson, I did mention the 100 hole hike. We're here. We're gonna do Marty Doe like that. Who's Marty Doe, who's that? The Doe boy.

He went clear at the ascension presented by blue. I'm sorry. That's like the Corn Fairy Tour event of the year last year. It was, it's an amazing event. Yeah, awesome win, great player. He's head back to the PJ Tour, right? Or has he ever been to the PJ Tour? Basically, everybody that played well this week for the

most part, like was already in the top 25. Yeah. I got Brandon Matthews, T3. He's finished T3 and he went from three to four in the ranking. Uh, but yeah, Pearson Cooty, he did, he did birdies for seven holes. Saturday, which was insane. Anyway, I just wanted to get that out there. I'm Michael Kimsiding too. How about that? Shout out to the John Deere. What else we got? 100 hole hike.

Take us there. It was hot. It's a lot. It sounded miserable. It was a lot. Very, very, very worthwhile. I think I mentioned earlier, weighs a lot of money.

I'm gonna, I gotta, I updated all my stats. We're doing a film room about it, so I don't want to spoil too much of the content. I will announce the winners of some of the, we did some creative donations. There were three packages. There was an Ace Chase package. Spoiler did Megan Ace. Putune into see some, some fireworks. Some, some other guys did make it. I think there are two aces out there. Were there funnel pins? Yeah, I thought the pins could have been a little more ace friendly.

There was a front pin on four. This set sweetens cove and a pin. There were two pins on each green too, so you could just kind of go, you could put to either one. So I actually kept track of any time that I intended to go at one flag and put it to be other. It is an intent based game, that's true. And so that'll be a fun stat to track.

But this guy Joe Hooks, he had an ace and an Albatross and an ego and he shot 44 under in 100 100 holes. I did not. You've got it. So low. Like three bogeys right? Yeah, we had to we had to laugh their team a couple times him and and and Rod. My guy Roger Steele they were they he was throwing around. He went like 31 31 31.

He had like a 27 roll stretch where he was like taking the flag out. Everybody else is just like a trail of tears. It's like, yo man, you guys got a speed up. You guys are a problem right now. But 43 hours behind everybody here. Yeah, I had time to go take a shower, crack a beer. At least two hours behind us. And it was a little help.

We should make Randy go do the underhold. It would be, honestly. Maybe you could have made up the six one shots in the period of play. If anyone's interested DM me, I would highly recommend it, but only once. Like I'm good on it now. And Sweden's was a great, it was a great place for it

because it's flat and I liked that it was nine holes. And I love that course. And honestly, I played it 11 times or you never get bored with the shots. The shots are fun every time around. It's truly a golf play round. What was the toughest stretch? There's a there's a doldrum. We did it in 12 hours and 17 minutes, which I was really happy with our pace. We got to hole 50 before noon. We teed off at 5.20 a.m. 5.25. So that's like 11 and a half minutes or yeah, we were cruising because we had cloud cover in the morning. And then the sun came out afternoon and it caught brutal. So I think

holes, we actually had to skip three holes. Whole three, four and five to to loop to get past, you know, Joe and Roger in the squad. We had like jumped from three from two green to six T and we're like, cool, we'll just play that three whole three, four, and five twice on our last loop. She like make up for it, but like there was like nothing but, you know, fairway in front of these guys and there was like all five groups like stacked up. So we jumped in front of them. When we had to loop that three whole stretch twice on the 11th loop, it was like, it was the worst feeling in the world. It's like, no, no, no. Can we just not do that? That was the, I think that whole 80 to whole like 95, we've got really,

really bleak. The sun was just beating down on us. You start worrying about sunburn, but you don't really want to put on more sunscreen. You're just kinda in this really. So many substances going on? Well, yeah, you just start saying yourself, like, man, I don't wanna get sunburned, but like, I don't really have the energy, like, like, thoughtfully apply sunscreen right now.

Like, I just worry about it later. And that's the worst thing, you know, the worst attitude. So, luckily I pushed through that, but no ace. This was like a double max or triple max. Yeah, kind of. I said, I set a line 10 or more double bogies. What you wanted less than, yeah, yeah, if I had less than, if I had more than 10 double bogies, people,

these were each a hundred dollar donations. If I have 10 or more doubles, everyone that think gets a free towel from the pro shop, I had more than 10. I'm not gonna tell you how many, because we'll unload that in the content. And then, how many free towels we give it out now? I probably, 20.

No more than 20. I mean, the donations rolled in, it was great. And that's kind of our, that'll be part of our donation to the cause. You know what I mean? I figured that's a good way to get NLU involved. If we're asking other people to get involved, and then we had the last challenge

was the microwave man challenge, 10 or more birdies or eagles. People get, I think, like, oh, though, they get, for every birdie, they get a dollar off in the pro shop, and for every eagle, they get $5 off in the pro shop. I will reach out to all the winners of these challenges. Stay tuned.

That one hit as well. I did kind of light it up, birdie and eagle wise, which was cool. Nice. But again, overall DJ, what do you think that content's coming out? I would say later this month, end of the month. Cool.

Yeah. Any other NLU updates, TC? I just wanna say, I watched Wimbledon. I watched the Curious match. Wow, I saw some highlights. Awesome. That guy's, I'm, I'm in. Are you in on gear?

I'm in. Yeah, we tend to needs a little bit of a bad boy. Massive child. Did you see his press conference afterwards? Yeah. Yeah. It's like being off on. You know, he's like both, he's got a little bit of Brooks in him

where he's a little bit defensive and deflective with reporters, but he's like both he's got a little bit of Brooks in him where he's a little bit defensive and Deflective with reporters, but he's also very charismatic. Well, it was crazy like Mac and Rose just just laying into him And it's like shut up man like the crowd is clearly behind this guy the other guys Yes, 50 past seems like he got into it with Medvedev and he he feels like hit among the players. They don't seem to like him. Yeah. So he's like Kevin Nah a little bit. I didn't watch too much of the form in the one that I did see the big crash.

Signs one. He's a fluffer, I think. Double points for Haas. Haas both cars finished from the point stage. And then yeah, just from a we got the Scottish this week at the Renee Saunce Club. Again, I'd like to see a better, a better venue. I don't think we're changing that one anytime soon though. Yeah, just from a, we got the Scottish this week at the Renaissance Club. Again, I'd like to see a better, a better venue. I don't think we're changing that one anytime soon though. Palmer Cup was, was this past weekend, Europe one. Ludwig was, was voted into the Arnold Palmer invitation.

They won the man's or do they won both? It's, it's co-ed mixed. Yeah. Yeah. So another Swedish woman, one, or do they win both? It's co-ed. It was mixed. Yeah, yeah. So another Swedish woman, or like very young Swedish pro one on the let this week as well. So like the Swedes are coming, man. They are in route. Okay, I just wanted to, you know, you saw the Lingrant stuff a couple weeks ago.

And then speaking of in route, we have some upcoming content this week, a slice of paradise. We do, this is a joint project, a joint venture strategic alliance who did with a delightful young man named Liam Tangum. A Maris grad. A Maris grad, the AmeriSchool. Which they just kind of have it trademarked.

But that's another thing. It's a project we've been working on for quite a while, just a short film. It's about 10, 12 minutes, something like that. On a bunch of sand greens, golf courses out in Kansas. There's a lot of golf courses that got built with sand greens. Back when people couldn't afford, not that they really can now, but when people couldn't afford grass greens and they would have kind of compacted sand greens and and a lot of those courses still exist and they still have a high school state championship that they play on them and Liam made this beautiful short film about a bunch of those places. So I would say it's a lot more than golf.

Truly about a lot more than golf. I would coast on that. So that drops Wednesday. Wednesday Wednesday Wednesday. Watch the check that on the YouTube channel and Big and I'll be on the trap draw this week. We've got a lot to catch up on the airline industry. It's just a math It's a disaster right now. I guess a rocket hit the moon. Yeah, we're gonna want to do that No nation has claimed responsibility, which is cool and then recent content JT came on the pod last week We had the catty-shack feature if you haven't watched that yet our guy the last Don Sheen for responsibility, which is cool. And then recent content, JT came on the pod last week. We had the Caddy Shack feature. If you haven't watched that yet.

Our guy, the last Don Sheen, just really, really good stuff about a local golf shop here in Jack's Beach. Randy, a great tennis pod with the tennis pod. And then our friends over at Grooter, they hit 10,000 followers on Insta. Grooter golf, just picking up steam over there, doing the damn thing. As they like to say this year, they're turning it loose and I appreciate it. It's good stuff.

We've got a couple spots left in our Cincinnati event. We're almost full there. Well, a good way to get more info on, we're sending out an email newsletter this week. So put some event details in there. ProShops absolutely bucking with summer collection. We're sending out an email newsletter this week. So put some event details in there. Got it. ProShops absolutely booking. With summer collection. So newsletter.no.langup.com forward slash subscribe. We'll have some good stuff in there, probably Thursday.

Nest is bumping, events are bumping. Lots of local events, lots of, lots of ruse stuff. If you're, you know, if you're keen on that stuff, get involved in the refuge. And it's a big birthday week this week for NLU. Huge. Oh, I forgot. Yeah.

My birthday and, and Sully, back to back this week. We're not gonna tell you what day, but they are this week, which is, you know, it's always cool. And also, I, some personal news, might have to join a new ruse. Yeah, DJ. Oh, you're ready to go public. Well, I'm leaving on Tuesday, so I figured I should. I should do like Randy like, you're gonna go do a Hello world at Brown Deer

Park. Or maybe it's a foot at the bronze funds, maybe. Oh, I thought you were gonna hold out and not tell anybody. That was where Tiger had his no, Randy told everybody he had a whole bidding war. He was fucking Jim Gray. No, no, I'm saying, but he never told him where he was actually gonna go. Oh, well, I guess I got already kind of spilled it with the the bronze funds, but the yeah, making the move back to the Midwest, my lovely wife and I'm moving to Milwaukee, just I should call just outside Chicago really, really, really look forward to it. Randy has has proven the concept to be a success, you know, we're starting satellite offices all over this great nation of ours. You're not leaving, are you? Think about it. Think about it. So yeah, last podcast in the Kill House for me, at least until next time I'm down visiting, which I'm sure will be extremely frequently. I would argue that like the pods are actually pods and live shows are actually easier to do. I agree. Remotely. I think it's made us, you know.

They're fun in person. A little bit more conscientious about our communications and everything, so. So in that case, I will, I'll see you guys on Taurus sauce. That's right. And we got three weeks. Tiltaurus sauce. And our memory card here is about to run out.

God, what a marathon tonight. All right. Thanks everyone for listening. The substitute teacher lost control of the class today. So we just decided to throw on a movie and- It's a long movie. It's a long movie, but thanks for tuning in and Solid will be back next week.

Also, I would just say, what's going on over at Cleaks Golf Club? We got a, all right, we need a new leadership then what's going on in Utah? That's what I'm gonna, that's what we're gonna leave everyone with. What's going on at Cleaks? Have a great week.

It's going to be the right club. Be the right club today. Yes. Yes. Be the club. That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most.

Better than most. Better than most.