No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 59: Tron Carter

Episode Date: December 7, 2016

No Laying Up Co-Founder Tron Carter joins the NLU podcast for the first time in six months to talk about golf down in Jacksonville, Tiger’s glorious return to the game of golf, Hideki Matsuyama, Official... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 59: Tron Carter appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the No-Ling Up podcast. I'm Chris Solomon joining me today Tough act to follow with the month of podcasts that we just had But he thinks he's up to the task No-Ling Up co-founder Tron Carter Tron what's going on man?

I was just trying not to disappoint people. This is gotta be a let down for all the subscribers out there. But I'll do my best. The new listeners need to learn very quickly that what the standard is gonna be for this podcast and not to expect what happened last month, every single month. I just needed a break. I needed a break from interviewing top five players in the world, you know, so it's a tough life. So I got a lot of probably people that already close their browsers after that one, but you just got back from a golf weekend fishing extravaganza in Jacksonville. One deep reef a bit on that. Where were you? What were you up to and how was the weekend?

What were you up to and how was the weekend? It was awesome. Kind of my last for a while, I used to do in January. So, I headed down to Jacksonville, Neptune Beach, to be specific for DJ Pies birthday. And his wife invited someone to stand down and I ended up being the only one they could make it, which was actually worked out well because we were blasts, we went play golf on Friday at Team Aquana, which

was like an old Ross course down there. It was sweet, put a little five, some little wolf And DJ posted that video of me on my swing, and I got more negative tweets about the length of my pants than anything that's ever been posted about me. It was a masculating. And they're not even that short. I just, I have so much pop in my swing On me a little bit so when you listen to them I'm gonna take those to the tailor get a little bit of length blanks let out of them But yeah, and then surprise party for DJ on Friday night at this local bar called Pete's so I'm still kind of struggling with the lost voice

It was it was loud in there, smokey. And yeah, so just bunch of people from the tour there. It was cool to hang out with some of them. It's cool to figure out that, or kind of remind yourself that these are all real people. They work for the PTA tour. know it's like stuff you know kind of keeps things in perspective so what would we just spend all our time criticizing people and then you guys like people have like there's like there's like real you know consequences and there's like real decisions like or real things that go into these decisions other than just you know hey I want

to watch every shot of tigers for the whole season. You know what I mean? Just stuff like that. So, but yeah, so it means Jacksonville Suite, it kind of gets a bad rap in the national sense, but it's essentially like the land of low-cost goods and services.

And it's so chill. It's like the, you know, Jack's beach, Neptune beach. I think we ate Mexican restaurant, Mexican food three or four times. And it almost feels more like California than it does Florida, which is cool. But yeah, we woke up early on, it's fishing, which we were kind of just like still half drunk and Not expecting much and started pouring out some big ass fish And then played golf that that afternoon Saturday afternoon with Luke Guthrie And his brother Sean Martin DJ and I, it's a little fives amount of dive valley, out of the TPC, which is sweet.

Yeah, what's it like playing with, if you ever played with a professional golfer before? I played with a professional, but not somebody that, or, sorry, that's probably going to come out wrong. I played with Billy and Drake one time, a few holes with him, but like, I don't know. Have you played with a golfer that has pop that contains pop? Exactly. Not really. I mean, I've,

no one with a PGA tour card that has pop, or conditional stats, PGA tour that has pop. So we went out there and, yeah, we were so sore from the day before and then from fishing, hung over. And so, out out there, and first hole is kind of short. Luke kind of sloppy par on the first hole.

Mr. Short potted on the second hole for par, and he rattled off like six birdies in a row. And like didn't even acknowledge it until I got to the sixth one and DJ was like oh man like that was six birdies in a row for you wasn't and he was like oh yeah I guess you're right you didn't even really realize it. That's some standards you're holding him to though sloppy par I think I've ever heard the term sloppy par before. Well I mean he was in the green side bunker into oh par, par five, oh, relatively straightforward bunker shot. And then, you know, and then blue the bunker shot by a few feet. So it was, it was, I'm sure if you played that eight out of 10 times,

you would, you would make a par, or make a birdie. Okay. You mean, I thought it was like I mean, like you lagged it, lagged at 20 foot or close and tapped in for par and made a sloppy par. Oh, no, no. Yeah, it was, I mean, the way he was playing was essentially a glorified par four. So, well, it's got to be nice to go from snow and Boston down to, you'll be singing Jacksonville's praises

if you're going from the Northeast. I got back and I told my wife, I was like, hey, we're probably gonna need to move down there. She was actually really cool about it. And it was funny, I sent her a picture of one of the fish we caught. No words or anything. And she's from Naples, Florida,

so she's done a lot of fishing. And she writes back, she's like, that's a big red. I was like, you know, I would have never known in a million years that what kind of fish it was if somebody sent me the picture and she knew right off and then was like, what were you using and all this stuff? She knows 10 times more about fishing than I do. So I have a feeling she'd be right at home if we were down there. Yeah, you're not cut out for the cold. I mean, yeah, you went to school in Ohio and you survived the winners there, but you're a Southern boy.

You're not prepared for all that winner up there. Yeah, we got spoiled up here last year too. So I don't think it's gonna be quite as kind the winter up here in Boston as last year. So, we're... Gattening down the hatches for sure. Well, you got to play mostly golf this weekend fishing drinking. Did you get to watch much of the return of the cat?

I saw a little, didn't get to see any of it on Thursday, which was driving me thoughts. Like I got, I was on call all day and then kind of tied up with work stuff and I mean Twitter was just melting down, right? Oh, it was crazy. I was instigating a lot of it, overreacting to a lot of it. It was like the Charlie Steiner and why you came. Exactly what it was. Like I got on there and I, before just losing it. So it didn't get to see too much of it and then Friday flew out like relatively late in the day, so didn't didn't get to see a whole out of it there either

But caught a little bit on the weekend Man big car was sweating profusely. He was into it man. You're you have alternative theories to this or I do I don't think I mean unless unless we want to get a season to assist from from stiny in the game I'm gonna I'm gonna bite my tongue on that one. Well, look at people come to their own conclusion conjecture. Yeah, I mean it was it was pretty crazy. I had tempered expectations. I Think that what my initial reaction to it was ecstatic about what we saw 24 birdies But overall I would say very sloppy I had some like a couple days removed removed from it now

I'm actually a bit more worried about it and I think back on it And I've done I've done probably an unhealthy amount of thinking about it But I think this is kind of one of those I want to your feedback on before we get get into it, one of these occasions where it's kind of like the perfect time to talk Tiger. I mean, I know it gets beaten to the ground, but I usually get very frustrated when events only focus on him when there's another event going on. I thought the Hero World Challenge was a perfect excuse to just focus on Tiger for an entire weekend. Yeah, it's like a novelty. Yeah. It's just kind of a little gimmick tournament. Yeah, and like I was listening to Shane and Chip not on Shane's Potter there.

And you know, I mean, Chip not exactly perfectly. He was like, yeah, it's an easy course, you know, relatively flat spots around the greens and stuff. You know, so it was like, but he was talking about how there were a few times where Tiger straight up just wouldn't even play it at the hole on a chip. You know, just like leaving him still with the 10 or 12 footer and he was fine with that. But I got excited on, I think Sunday, we flipped it on and Tiger almost hold a chip and I was like, whoa, you know, that was cool because I was expecting him to just be hitting Texas wedge from off every green, you know, that was cool because I was expecting him to just be hitting Texas wedge from off every green You know trying to try to keep the ball on the ground with the chipping edge

So I was more encouraged with that and the fact that he was working the ball both ways But I think I think people I Don't I mean, I just don't remember this right but I by the end of 2015 my recollection is that he was pretty much over the chipping yips he had one really bad chip Sunday afternoon of the windum but I mean the chip yips that was back in February and he that was Phoenix and he just absolutely embarrassed himself. He went out to the masters and finished tied for 17th in twent- again this is 2015 and the chipping was not a problem there. I don't remember it persisting throughout the summer, and I just remember that one chip

at Wyndham, I was just kind of surprised to see people focus that much on the chipping. Am I misremembering any of that? It was just never goes away. It's always simmering right under the surface. Yeah. You got a thing. So, um, but yeah, I mean, I, I was pleased is swing looked like it possessed more pop than I anticipated. Yeah. Because it was like that New York Times video that it looked great and then somebody else posted something and it looked, it looked super hesitant, especially towards the follow-through. So, it looked a lot better than I was expecting it to yeah, man

He had some recoyles because our read coils going through the hitting zone on some of those I mean, but I mean overall I was and I know Andy Johnson Friday was pointing out as well that he did have a two-way miss going a lot of left misses He was trying to hit a draw off a lot of T boxes, but that's the more more I reflect on it I start to Be not as encouraged by the performance And I know I'm kind of nitpicking it because if you told me at the beginning of the week He was gonna make 24 birdies. I've been ecstatic, but he's had some trouble and some pretty wide fairways down there

He missed a lot of them and he was playing from the waist area more times than I can count and I have the numbers in front of me. And while you were encouraged by the sum of the chips you saw overall, he didn't skull or blade any chips or he chunked one that he was chipping from the green kind of a weird shot. He didn't really disasterous ones but he had to don't ask about that one. But he hit a ton of really bad chips too. I mean, not just like not not embarrassing chunks, like I said, but just more, you know, going at 20 feet past the flag.

And really not- But that's the thing, like, he may not have the tripping if he's figured out how to fix him, but his ceiling as far as tripping goes is like, there's so much anxiety there, right? Maybe, I don't know. I don't, I guess I was so encouraged by the way he hit his irons.

He stung his irons. He knew exactly what he was doing with those. He was confident with those. He did it a bunch of really, really, really good drives, but for the most part, I mean, it was kind of, it was comical. He would do a, like a premature T-grab, incredibly quick after a good drive.

And then you could tell if he was watching one that it was going to clearly miss the fairway and there were plenty of those. So I don't know. I mean courage it was a good start but I think he's not going to be successful on a regular PGA tour course unless he gets his driver much more straightened out. What was the deal? Was it just straight unforce errors like the last few holes every day or just fatigue or what? What do you think? He had mentioned that he was just not used to not playing in a cart and It was just kind of it was it was rust and it's kind of a generic term for it, but it was You never felt safe. You never felt like he was in the house like you know

I mean like it would be he run off four or five birdies and six holes or whatever and you didn't feel, Friday was the only round that he really finished it off well. The rest of him, he just kind of felt like he was clinging on for dear life. And that's supposedly a pretty tough finish. It's really hard to get to understanding for that golf course watching on TV. But it was, it was a tough finish, but I don't know. I don't put a ton of weight in, you you know making six double bogies or whatever it was I didn't care that much about a score, but it's more just the sloppiness and inaccuracy off the tee that thing that could be his only downfall

I So what it sounds like it sounds like you need to get your boy Casey Martin on the phone Try to figure out how to line up a car. If they'll do it for anybody, it'll be Tiger. But I couldn't help notice, by the way, that he was playing a tailor-made driver, a bridge stone ball, and a Scotty camera and putter. I just don't know, I'm not curious. Is it?

Vindication. As I take a little sip from my tea here, and despite that getting dismissed on some other... Is it the last time that you ever weighed into Equipment Twitter? That is... I declared that it was and then I couldn't help it when Rory straight up tells me about a equipment change that he's making. That information, that was incredibly confident was true considering it came from him but

man I had very good source on who provided me the Tiger Club information, but holy shit, I'm never doing that again. Never without being 100% sure. The whole architecture Twitter is kind of like beyond the pale, but golf equipment Twitter, I know we've jumped about it with J-Wall before. It's like, man, you can have that.

Like that is, because people are nuts. It's, I just don't understand. Like, unless you, especially these people that don't work for one of these companies, why they, like, affiliate themselves with them so strongly. Like, there was, like, a 30-page message thread on Golf WRX about just that tweet about, you know, the bridge stone ball and all that. And everyone's like, oh, he would never play a tailor-made driver. And the Nike people getting like legitimately offended by it.

And I was just so confused. I did not know that world existed until this. Yeah, it's kind of scary to be honest. Yeah, and I didn't feel safe until he finally teed off. I was wrong. I didn't say that I had heard that it was Mizuno Iyerns. That was off, but supposedly that's- You're gonna get all the truth there's out there who are like, yeah, they're just mural Irons

with a Nike stand up on them. You know what I mean? No. That's the part I want, one no part of, but if I hear something, I'm not gonna just say something completely random that I don't have good information on in the future, but I'm gonna try to avoid the equipment game

from here on out but Deke Matsuyama went nuts again fourth win and five starts Doesn't does he does he excite you? No, like not at all I mean, Katty did, you see his cat? Yeah. She knew or what? They mentioned something about it. I think it's another Japanese player's

catty or girlfriend or something, and she just was available for the week or something. I don't know. I don't know the whole full story behind it. That was great. I was like, she was sweet. But yeah, I mean, I don't get worked up over it. Like Sean Martin, I mean, he was half masked all weekend

Down and down and jacks because you know, like we were out of the bar at Friday and he was already Beside himself about a decky plan. Well I and I don't think it helps that when he wins like that You know just going away from the field, although yes, it got close towards the end. Well, yeah, we can't. Yeah, I mean, his tempo is great, but I just, it's amazing, like, if his putting stats were even remotely average, how dominant he would be.

Scary. It's kind of scary how well he hits the ball. But I don't know if anything's majorly changed and is putting for this fourth win in five starts. And I hate to fall in five starts. Well, I got to put an asterick on it because a couple of those are Japanese or Asian tour wins that aren't, I'm sure the best fields. And you've finished second.

I've finished second in the tournament that he didn't win to JT in Malaysia. And I don't remember what the fourth win of that is. So you can't pick a part four win and five starts, but it's not four PGA Tour wins and five starts. But I don't think anything necessarily is change in his putting. I think it's probably the worst time of the year to get super hot. So I don't know if that really changes the way how I feel about him going forward. But I was listening to Swan Text podcast with Steve Sands. I just found it interesting

that one of his handlers or his interpreter was saying that he may start doing interviews in English starting in the first quarter of 2017. That's obviously not as interesting of a topic as his golf game, but I just found that really interesting I think that'll be really cool. I think that takes a lot of guts and courage to Language that's not definitely not your first that you don't speak well to start having confidence to be able to speak it to the media I think that could hopefully I hope that kind of changes our access to them or and I understand you have it and I don't know Do you find any significance in that? Yeah, I mean, shit, Ed Hehlkebrero has an, like, spoken English, like, he speaks great English

and he refuses to do it to do, and he refuses in English, which, I mean, that may just be a savvy move on his part, but, but yeah, I mean, that's probably a window into his psyche and just get more comfortable over here. I'm also curious, like, I just looked up his, his recent results and the fact that he didn't play in the Dunlop Phoenix

over in Japan seems kind of strange. Why did, was there a reason? Like that's the biggest tournament in Japan to my knowledge. What was he, was he playing something else that week? Well, he played the CIMB and then the HSBC. And then he played... It's Mitsui Sumi and Tomo Liza Taihei Masters. Of course, everyone. You didn't watch that?

Yeah. But he didn't play... But he didn't play the week between. So he didn't play week 45. So maybe it was just the scheduling thing. But it just seems strange that that he would skip that one because that seems to be the biggest you know biggest tournament in Japan. Why is there no like why is there not a WGC in Japan? It seems like

they've always tried to, you know, they got one in Malaysia, China and like why isn't there a regularly a big tournament in Japan? It's sanctioned. I mean, I would understand that more probably than China, but I don't know how that sponsor stuff works. It's too expensive. I had no idea what that what that but that well, so this is kind of one of those things that I I would say on here. Man, I'd love to see that. It'd be cool to have an event in Japan and there's zero chance I would watch it. So like I feel like here, man, I'd love to see that. It'd be cool to have an event in Japan, and there's zero chance I would watch it.

So I feel like, oh man, I've watched that. How? Did that go worse in Lost in Translation? Like, the one where he's playing with like Mount Fuji in the background? Isn't it in the middle of the night, like in the US though?

Like, I don't know if I'm gonna be like, probably time wouldn't it? It's coming up in the morning, you know? Yeah, I guess you're right. I don't know if I don't know if I'm like, it's probably time, wouldn't it? It's time for the warning, you know? Yeah, I guess you're right. I don't know, it's just this, I mean, I don't watch the one in China. That's like a kind of a silly season WGC or off season WGC and I rarely watch that one.

That's because Bubba and Polter win those. That's also good for you to see. And of course, as we know, some of the atmosphere there is just so stale. Yeah, that's pretty poor. Do you think the Hero World Challenge should give out world ranking points? I've gotten some crazy hot DMs about this this week and I'm just like, whatever. I don't think they should give points to whoever finishes in the last place.

I have a real problem with that. So if you've finished in last place in a WGC or the Hero World challenge with 18 dudes in it, you didn't be a single one of them. Like for instance, what was a few weeks ago Jimmy Walker finished like 50 shots off the lead in one of the WGCs, no cut Wod WGC's and he gets world ranking points for that because it's strength to feel not that and it's like you didn't beat a single person in the world. So yeah, I mean I have a problem with that but at the end of the day it's kind of like when you have that many top 15 or top 20 players gathered somewhere in the world. You know, shouldn't it be valid or shouldn't it be applicable to

kind of the rankings? Yeah, I'm with you on that. So that I totally actually agree with you 100% there because I didn't understand the takes that people saying that they should, well first of all, having Tiger in the event ranked 898 or whatever just kind of throws things for a loop because yeah, whatever, he's going to move up 150 spots because just by finishing, which I mean, you know, that makes tons of headlines and everyone wants to say this is what's wrong with the debt. First of all, since when have you ever cared about somebody moving up from 900th in the world to 650th in one week? You don't need care because it's tiger

I'm just so sick of people taking like the official world golf rankings on a week-to-week basis Like coming up with like a really weak narrative like that like pointing out this one little crazy thing that can happen and Acting like that is the flaw in the system. We're saying like this is why it's flawed. It's like the system's not meant to be like a perfect fluctuation week to week. And it's not like a power rankings. It's not every way you can we. Yeah, you can win an event like a deck you did and not move in the rankings. That doesn't mean anything.

There's points based on it. And there is a formula behind it. It's not like somebody's sitting back there saying, oh, I'm going to move this guy up 250 spots this week. I agree I think that's kind of like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Yeah. You know but I do think my problem with the with the world golf ranking is for whatever reason I think it puts too much emphasis on some of these international events, not enough emphasis on recent trends too.

You need to wait it towards old events is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. It should be more progressively waited towards what if you don't familiarly. Yeah, and if you want to argue this flaw in it and I don't disagree with it yet at the same time I understand why they why it's structured this way It's tough to get into the top 50 once you're there pretty easy to stay there So it's kind of a protect your star system is that the most fair to everyone past 50 I would definitely say not but if you're the ones deciding you know who gets, you know, first of all, there's only like,

how many events a year, eight that are so that, you know, are, where your world golf ranking actually matters? Am I right in saying that? For, and the WGC's, we don't really care about who actually gets into those unless it's Tiger. So throw that out. The rankings don't matter that, that much. Not nearly as much as people think they do, I would say,

unless you're the thing that really matters is getting in the top 50 to get in the masters. So yeah, once you're in that top 50, it's going to protect you pretty well, but at the same time, that's kind of the system they have in place, they want to protect their top players. If you do get hurt for, and you miss three months, like Jim Furik or something, you don't fall completely out of it and have to use medical exemptions or all that kind of thing. So, I don't know. It's not perfect. But I just, and another thing about this time of year, this, and I should have pulled up the piece and maybe I'll find it and put it in the show notes. But Jake Nichols wrote a thing just about how the Euro tour this time of year is like

the five o'clock free crack giveaway when it comes to world ranking points. Crazy. And always this time of year there's guys that climb up the rankings that sneak into that top 50 get in the master's field at the end of the year. It's like I don't mind having one PGA Tour event. It's not even a sanctioned PGA Tour event, but one event that mostly benefits the American players and the PGA Tour players that is just like a free world ranking point giveaway to end the season, because the Euro Tour just, they give out world ranking points.

Like it's like a Nino, like Turkey on Thanksgiving, Nino Brown, baby. So go. So, do you know who the 34th ranked player in the world is? Um, is it like, Bert Veeceberger? Yuta Ikeda, Japan. Yeah. He's one like, he's just dominated the Japan tour. Okay. He's just dominated the Japan tour. But he basically finished 33rd of the PGA. It just looks like he finished like tie for 72nd at the open championship, MC at the US Open. Basically, he hasn't done anything in any of the tournaments that he's played outside of Japan. And he's ranked ahead of,

like Ryan Moore, Scott Pierce, he Jim Furik, Zach Johnson, who won a major last year. Like that's just crazy to me. And that's where the non-PJ tour, tours, like Euro Tour, Asian tour, they give out too many points for a win. And I know I spend a lot of time on this podcast saying how hard winning is and whatever it should be rewarded.

But I'm sorry, like beating, like some like the Madira Islands open or whatever it is, that doesn't get a top 250 player in the world. And they give out, you know, more world ranking points for a win mayor than like a fourth place finish on the PGA tour where you're losing out to Sergio Garcia and Justin Rose and on some of the top players in the world. It just doesn't, it doesn't, it's too much weight. I know that the ranking points are structured, that it's based on strength of feels, how many points the winner gets, how many points a second place guy gets, blah, blah, blah. But you still get how many points the winner gets, how many points the second place guy gets blah blah blah blah. But you still get so many points for beating relatively not a lot of good golfers.

Whereas you can be an event in the US, finish 10th, you beat a ton of really good players. And that's a better performance than whatever you did. The guy did that won the crappy Euro Tour event. That's just what gets me upset. Here's the leading candidate before we get too nerdy on these numbers. But do you know what Alex Norton is ranked in the world right now? He should be ranked like in my mind Alex Norton's top 20 player because he's just absolutely eviscerated everybody the last three four months. He's the ninth ranked player in the world. Like, see, I'm cool with that.

You are? So he's won four times, okay? So I'm sliding it by saying this. He won, and the events he won were not weak-yurow wins. Maybe he's the best example. He won the Scottish Open. I'm going to come through on tree on him, just because he's... I actually enjoy watching just because he's

I actually enjoy watching him and he's he's Swedish and well I kind of have a sauce pop from my sweet. My point is in since 2013 he's played the weekend in two majors. Yeah, but both of those major were it was the last two majors I hate. It was. He's T-46 and T-49 but

I mean Nightfriar in the world like I I know not everyone's gonna come play the PGA tour and not everyone could play a world schedule for all the reasons but Man, you got to see a beat some like talent. I mean you gotta look at it too like he won the He won the Scottish open. That's a pretty big time field He won the Scottish Open. That was a pretty big time field there. He'll lead up to the open championship. I will say the British Open. The British Open.

And then you won the Omega European Masters, which is like the flight, one of the flagship events on the Euro tour. Can you just let me have this? Can you let me have this one time? No, I knew you were going to bring him up so well. I knew he was coming and I was like, I just... I'm gonna be a hypocrite because I don't like when people just like take one guy and then compare him to the next guy as part of the flaw in the rankings.

But I'm gonna name off several names that he's ranked ahead and this is why I have a problem with it. He's ranked ahead above a Ricky Danny Willett, Paul Casey, Sergio, Justin Rose, Brandon Grace, Brooks Capca, Russell Knox, Phil Mickelson, and your boy, Matt Koocher. Now, I know you don't have a problem with number 20 there, but I don't know. That just doesn't sit right with me. But Bubba hasn't really... I know. He hasn't done anything since, like, last, you know, like a thorough last year. Yeah, I know, I know. He, uh, I know all right just let just let me

I told you just let me have one thing. You just let me have one He needs to be 20th or below but yeah, I mean he went from 20 seconds to 20th After the hero for finishing time for third. Like time for third at the heroes like a backdoor top 10. It's kind of a backdoor. It's a back he bronze meddled the hero world challenge. If anyone ever gets bored, I really challenge you to do this. Go back to the very first No-Lang-Up podcast. This was recorded in April of 2014 at the RBC Heritage. And the only time the four of us have ever all been together at one time.

I don't know if you ever recognized that, but... That's kind of insane. Isn't it? And we recorded this podcast. We had no idea what we were doing first of all. There's not even any intro music. Todd's eating chips the entire time, and we're just drinking beer, and just all we do is argue about coochers for like 20 minutes.

It's actually a hilarious relic, and I had a lot of work to do this weekend. I have a real job, and I actually had to just need it to make background noise. I turned that on, and I was just cracking up laughing So in April of 2014 you predicted that you wanted Horsel to be on the Ryder Cup team As before his crazy run and you predicted that Patrick Reed was gonna ball out on that team like it It was just like side notes in the shit like nobody even paid attention to when you said it. You had two pretty insane predictions I mean see me and we need to like need to expense something, like put together, like, meet in the middle, like, meet in Bermuda or something, and go play golf there, like all four of us and just expense it. Where do you think I live? Where, well, how's Bermuda in the middle? How's

that in the middle? Kind of, I mean, I don't know. We can meet in Iceland, that might be in the middle. Yeah, although not this time of year, I'm going to go play some ice call for some. Yeah, not this time of year. What do you say we get into some Twitter questions? We got a lot of them and they're pretty good ones. Yeah, let's do it. The Fried Egg, our partner in our newsletter, which by the way, we've tweeted about several times, but you should sign up for our newsletter.

It's a very good way to stay plugged into some things that are going on if you've not paying attention to golf for a week or you may have missed some kind of story. So, Andy does a really good job with that. And it kind of alleviates anxiety about missing good content. It's kind of allowed me to tune out on certain stuff on Twitter and focusing on other stuff because I don't have to worry about, oh, I'm going to miss so-and-so writing something. Like it just kind of aggregates all of it there and links you to it. Yep and we give away a dozen Bridgestone balls every week because of it so go ahead and

sign up for it. The Friday wants to know this five golf courses public or private you want to check out in 2017. This is like a dream wish list like you. So, all right. So in 2017. Yeah, I think for the sake of the question, you keep it to realistic options and leave off fine valley. So I'll say one around here. I'm lucky this year to play some really cool courses up here in Boston, but one that I'm really, really looking forward to playing next year

is Old Sandwich. Awesome things. Everybody up here says that's pretty much the best one of them all, even the country club included. So, before I play that one, I'm heading down to Florida. My wife's pregnant and I work remotely, so I can kind of work from anywhere. So when she's on maternity leave, we're actually gonna be gonna live down in Florida

with her family for a month or two, and then go to Atlanta for like the month of April. But I really wanna go to Colusa Pines down there. It's private, so you have to figure out to connect there. And then, um, I really want to check out Streamsong Black at the end of the year too. Probably be back down there at some point in 2017. I like how you just float that out on the podcast.

I go, I need to find a connect down there. So, um, yeah, so actually Streamsong Blacks on Open Up Tool all fall next year, but would really love to get out there, gill hands, so hot right now. And then, that's three. There's another one up here in Western, Western, really, really want to play. It's a nine hole called Whiten'sville. It's a nine hole called Whitton'sville, Witton'sville. It's a Donald Ross.

It's supposed to be like one of the best nine hole courses in the world. It's kind of out and, you know, like you wouldn't expect there to be awesome course out there. And then otherwise, trying to think, I guess I'll keep it up here to, or actually, you know what?

So Neon and I go, we're going to, we're going to this thing called the 5th Major, Totten Nebraska. John Deere? At Dismill River. Yeah, it's like, yeah, that was my first thought too. Which was John Deere, but it's not Nebraska, it's flying at Denver and then this thing's at Dismill River. But I think we're for sure playing Valley

Neal really looking forward to that, but trying to, um, sand hills is kind of the top of the list there. So that's the probably number one course I want to play in 2017. There you go. I thought you were going to leave it open for a fifth to just have somebody. That would have been the true way to plug it. I'm open for a fifth and just take the best offer. I think the best response to be like.

Yeah, I mean, it's been awesome. People invited me right to the South to play a few places out there. Ballyneal, parico, a couple around Denver, so excited. So you can make all those trips all over the country and you can't come meet me in Ireland for a weekend of golf is what you're trying to tell me. Well, that one's in June.

And I got an airfare for about 10,000 delta miles in that one too. So, you don't have to explain yourself to me, but I may be... You didn't go off down in Africa? No, I might play something down in Cape Town, but I'm not bringing any equipment with me, so I'd have to get the full hook up of everything there But I haven't done much done much asking down there, but I'm gonna be going for Northern Ireland in May and then Scotland in June I think for Yeah, basically I'd like to hit county down Port Russian Port Stewart in in May

I got I got a lot of work to get that figured out. Then heading to Scotland, I'm not sure what the itinerary is for Scotland. I'm not really heading that up. And then I may head in July to the Irish Open, hopefully. I'd like to cover that. And I will be moving home shortly after that. So kind of a last hurrah of getting some some things checked off my list here, but

This year So it's yeah, move back to July this year and so yeah, I hope I can get that get that worked out because I'll be pretty awesome if you had any any So yeah, I hope I can get that worked out, cause that would be pretty awesome. If you had any, do you think you'd like take any mainland golf, or mainland Europe golf trips, or is it kinda mostly just,

just because, I mean, for multiple reasons, hey, I have a friend in Ireland that, you know, once I'm on the ground, we all play together and I have a place to stay typically and whatnot. That makes going to Ireland so much easier. And I don't really have golf friends over here. My only other golf trip I've done here was been with people from the US that came and met me in Scotland. So, I haven't really had much desire. I did go down to the Algarve in Portugal and there's a ton of courses down there. There's

advertisements for it everywhere. And I was with a non-golf group. It was driving me pretty nuts. But if yeah, I would love to, have somebody ever showed the interest in it I'd love to love to make a trip down. I'd love to play Valorama And I know there's a ton of continental good golf in Europe. I just have not explored that really at all Andrew Hudson wants to know he wants you to tell us Who is the absolute best golfer on tour putting aside all off-course antics? Basically, he wants you to exclude JJ Day.

He put in parentheses JJ Day. So you're not allowed to have your own personal feelings towards anyone or personal preferences. Who's the best player on tour? Best player on tour. You can do tour. You can define it however you want to. I kind of define it as best player for me is like who's got the best like sixth gear. Like, when I said six gear, then nobody else has. You know, so, like, you know, I would say, DJ, J-Day, Speed, they all have like a fifth gear, but honestly, when Rory starts bucking his head,

you can cancel Christmas. Yeah, I mean, you just made porters day. And actually, I'll put another one up there. Who I think, you know, when he's firing on all cylinders is Adam Scott. I've never heard that name in a while, I feel like. Yeah, that's more just ball striking, I guess. But when he's on, it's like, shit. He's throwing darts.

Yeah, firing lasers. when he's on, it's like shit. He's throwing darts. Yeah, I find lasers. I guess I kind of dislike the whole whose A game is best argument, because I don't know. I feel like we can see guys go, and even Mons of Yama has this crazy A game when he puts it all together. And I don't know, just I feel like such a silly comparison to try to make like figure out who can go the absolute lowest

but I was interested because I asked Pete this question and I just kind of wanted to hear his thoughts and this first person he mentioned as well was Rory and I just found that interesting to me it's hard to forget what day has done over the last two years and And if he can stay healthy, I don't think we've really seen anyone go on the type of run that he's been on for that sustained period of time. So that's what makes me want to say day, but I don't think he's going to be able to stay healthy enough to give us sustained progress in his game and whatnot.

But- Health is a skill, man. It is. Health is a skill. It matters. It matters. It matters. Yeah, I mean, I would put DJ and J.D. in the same category.

Although DJ's wedge game's got a lot better, but I don't know. I feel like they just kind of bludge in the ball to death. It's not whole. There's not that much artistry. Yeah, it's very true. How would you say DJ's games are probably a lot more artistic than J.D.s.

It's just brute force, but... And I put Stenson in that camp too. It's just like, just monopoly on swing speed, you know. This is not a Twitter question, but have you made picks or do you have predictions for the majors next year? Um, yeah, so one that I feel really, really strongly about, I think, I think Roy's gonna win the first two. Ooh, I like that. I think he's definitely winning an air in hills. I think it's a reminder of like, you know, it may, you know, depending on the weather,

but just, it looks like the layout is almost like kind of Irelandy. And yeah, see it, it screams DJ to me. Because, I mean, Chuck, Chuck howl made me feel, I bet about it too And saying it's long and it's just gonna emphasize guys and compound on the middle of fairway But yeah, I mean if Roy has a good week driving the ball that obviously is gonna suit him as much as a will DJ Yeah, I so I could see

You also you just know you know the Roy listens to this podcast too. You're that's what I said Yeah, you know what like I'm a few listen. I would? I would probably take other ones. I think he's going to win three out of four next year. Three out of four. Quill Hall. And I think Speed is going to win at Burkdale. Wow. Okay.

Man, you are showing a lot of bias towards recent podcast guests on this show. I'm curious. And then I also think Sergio is going to win the match. I think Sergio and Roy are going to tie. They're going to share the green jacket. One arm in you sleeve. OK. Because I always pick Sergio.

You file your bet when you file your taxis. Those are a geo. I don't know if critical is the right word. I think the Twitter consensus or people to follow you will understand that you have a bit of, I don't know what the right word is, judgment on speed. You're not fully on the speed bandwagon.

I was curious if, after listening to the podcast, you thought of him any differently, or I guess any chance you wanted to take to explain your speed relationship. chance you wanted to take to explain your speed relationship? You know what I try to challenge him. It's kind of like the movie Wiblash where JK Scott is like, he's a pizza. For those of you who haven't seen it, it's like the drumming instructor, the best music school in the world, and I'm kind of Jordan's instructor, and realize matters.

And I'm just trying to challenge him, trying to make him better, tough love, kind of thing. So yeah, I mean, any criticism I have, like for instance, I was going to get on you, man. You said, brand steward on the phone with him. With a stray face, you call him the brand steward. You've gone three or four years to being just another guy to a global brand steward. That's kind of why I've given him such a hard time because I feel like he is Pretty corporate in that regard or he's let he's let the C-suite kind of Kind of take over so that was those very I was I come in with a John this point of view about it

And then so for him to come on the podcast. That was really freaking cool. Yeah, and then to kind of tell stories and lay it all out there And all that that was that was fantastic and then to tell stories and lay it all out there and all that, that was fantastic. But yeah, I mean, there's definitely a lot more there than it means to eye, but once the stuff that's bugged me over the last year is just a slow play. You know what I mean? It's just kind of come off as whiny

and it seems like he's pretty self aware in that regard. But I felt like after the... I can't remember which... Like it was kind of before the PGA. It just seemed like he was kind of feeling sorry for himself at the media. And it seems like he's kind of come full circle on that. So... But yeah, so that's kind of a roundabout way of saying,

I like him a lot. And I think it was just kind of growing pains here last year. Yeah, no, that's fair. I wanted to give you the chance to explain it because I think people just think you hate him, which I definitely don't think is the case. No. You even told me one time, you basically invented that guy. Like you were all over him coming up out of college. So it's definitely not, it's out of love that I think you give your criticism. And it is, I guess I don't just don't notice it maybe as much as you do. To be honest,

that question I asked, I'm just about being the brand's tour was as influenced heavily by you, by your kind of take on that. Because I just, I mean, these guys, I don't really listen to anything, those guys say, that's really corporate-y or really, I just, I just, a whole money side of the game that I don't care that much about. I can see how it bothers some people and what not, but I think it, yeah, it's a phase that you gotta kinda go through. I mean, Rory kinda went through something similar

when he changed equipment, took a ton of money to do that. Now I feel like he is this guy that just doesn't care about it, not, doesn't care about anything, but just like, we'll say whatever now. He's willing to be open. This is no man coming. Yeah. And.

I mean, I can't imagine being that young, having that much money, especially now versus 10 or 15, 20 years ago. You know, it's a different world. So, you know, I'm sure I'd be a total freaking head case. But yeah, I mean as long as he's gotten the slow play thing under control that was really my primary right yeah and I belt his belt game is still abysmal which I got to give Luke gothry props for that I got to figure out what kind of belt he was wearing

this past weekend because it was the best belt I've ever seen it was awesome you got some criticism on your belt this weekend. I did, I did. It wasn't a white belt, people. You got to be so careful what you put on the internet. Like you said, you got the comments about the length of your pants and your belt. I mean, there's videos or pictures that I will be like revising, like zooming in on every corner of the picture

to make sure there's not something hidden that somebody's gonna make astronomy for. You gotta be careful, man. Um, and really, yeah, yeah, I just put my swing out there. I mean, I know I come over the top. I know I'm like, you know, I'm like, I'm trying to people, I don't get out to play as much

as I would like, you know, I need to get lessons up here at Boston. But yeah, it's crazy. I mean, we have more power to them. I mean, I love people out of it. Yeah, we can take it. Come on. Give it to me. No problems there.

My favorite was when hashtag and I were playing golf at the British Open last year. We were just messing around as raining was raining and just doing like, just torso-sauce videos. And I hit this T-shot, and this comment is stuck with me. Like, it still stings me. The guy, I posted a video of my swing, and the guy said,

I've never seen somebody with so little talent. And like, it just, it's stuck with me. He got me good. So now I don't post videos of my swing. But, well, that's, well, it goes back too. So, like, going down and hanging with this guy's work for the tour, we played in the three cup tournament. Well, I was down there for the players this year, how did Jack's beat. It was like the most hilarious little muni. But I picked like a three wood, and I was playing with DJs, so I picked like a three wood

of a seven iron, like a gap wedge or a sand wedge or something. And I get up on the first tee, I hadn't played in, I don't know, probably five or six weeks. I get up on the first tee and like DJ, I think some of these guys are kind of asked DJ Alright, like is this guy any good and he's like yeah, whatever I'd never play with him But he's like a six or seven and So in my swing was just like a mess at this point. I whiffed the first two balls. I just want to What he yeah, we're like the first group off. I whiffed like I'd never ever even remotely come close to whiffing before. And I was trying to find, like, I was trying to find anything with my hands below.

It was, it was horrifying experience in my life. And, um, I'm choking up here. I guess it's unbelievable. Yeah, it was, it was like, it was honestly, I will shit myself. I was so embarrassed and then and then you know I got better is around one along to the point but like all weekend this weekend I Was literally telling telling DJ because we played with this guy Tom from the tour who's a little bit older and you like kind of handle some of the some of the TV stuff and like I was just like, dude, DJ,

like you have to tell him, I can actually play. Like, DJ beat me by one on Friday and then I beat him on Saturday. And like, I was like, you have to tell him that I can play. Like, I'm still, I still hang onto that. I'm still. You waited till the 50 minute Mark

to tell this story, not when I asked about your golf this weekend. You didn't leave the podcast. Like a PTSD man. Still to sit back there. Yeah, you're going to have a long, it's going to be a long time for you to shake that one off. DJ.

First many people as you think DJ is told, he's told 20 times that just to warn you. I ain't in tell our group though. I didn't, I didn't know this. I feel like this is, this is, that was like an emergency. He should have been shouted out as soon as this happened. But I mean, it was literally like a guy It was like Bob Barker and in Happy New Year. He was like this guy Okay, let's get to a few more questions because we got a lot Ian McLaughlin wants to know your top five players who lack pop can't play

Ooh like top five players who lack pop can't play. Ooh, like top five, like they lack them both pop or top five guys who lack pop. Like top five guys who are good despite lacking pop. The question is, his top five players who LP CP, so you can take that however you want. Coucher is probably number one. Of course. Um... Luke Donald's number two. By the way, in that podcast I mentioned earlier, the very first No-Ling-Up podcast, Trotton drops a Lax Pop can't play in the first 10 seconds of the very first podcast. So, Luke Donald's two.

Essentially the RBC heritage is LPCP is what you're saying. Oh, yeah, a little bit. Luke Donald and Matt Koocher. Um, I'm gonna say the Molen Ari Brothers. Wow. Just like looped in together. Okay. I can't stand their names.

Um, four would be Brennan Steel. Okay. I can't play for me like at all okay and then five great guy relatively new follower of mine play with him a couple times growing up in Atlanta but Roberto Castro uh-oh like like, I don't know. I mean, he's 70th in the world right now, and I have no idea how. But then again, if you're gonna ask us to name 10 guys or 15 guys who grew up in and around Georgia and the Southeast, who were gonna be in the tour

from, you know, within one year, like the class of 2004 from high school, he would have been near the bottom of the list and yet he's always just been a total stud. So I guess that's almost kind of a badge of honor for him. A badge of honor to make. To maximize this talent. To make your top five is a badge of honor. So yeah, I'm sure he wears that with pride. Kevin, at just four sports account, wants to know who stole your cookies as a kid that left you so angry.

I saw that one. I'm really not angry. That's what I want. I feel like you need to come on the podcast more often just so people know that you're in real life. You're not like you sound on Twitter. Yeah, I'm not angry. I'm just, it's kind of my outlet, Twitter.

Yeah, he just tells it like's Twitter. Yeah, he's got to just tell us what it is. Yeah, yeah. You know, but people, people like strong takes, you know. The one guy going back to the LPCP thing, the one guy that I'm a little bit concerned about, because I'm a big fan, but he shows LPCP tendencies, and of course, is Fitzpatrick. Okay. He was LPCP at the writer cup. Yeah, anyone in Dubai. And of course is Fitzpatrick. Okay. Matthew Fitzpatrick. He was LPCP at the writer cup.

Yeah, anyone in Dubai. Yeah. So, is he a plans for the tour? Does he have plans for the PJ tour? I think he's like, I want to say he's going to be one of those guys that plays both. Do you think the Euro tour is going to change their fall fight? I mean, yeah, he played like... He played pretty much all the Florida events.

He played Honda, Durau, Arnold Palmer, Matchplay, Masters, Heritage, Players, All in a Row.

And then he played Canadian Open, PGA. Looks like the dude just really likes playing in national opens. I think it's sweet too, which I think more guys should do. Like, I think the Mexican Open should be a big event. The Mexican Open, like there should be extra weight to that. I think that's been lost in the mix along the way here. All right. Sorry, that was just the side tangent. Do you think the Euro Tour changes their Ryder Cup qualifying? They're going to have to, especially if Rome's back here.

I know. Rome is going to do the reason why that changes. I have a feeling. Do you have any, I can keep going, but did you have any that you wanted to get to on this list? Do you have any, I can keep going, but did you have any that you wanted to get to on this list? Um, let's see. I think we got a question from Robbie Vogel who actually writes for this site. Just about golf, like versus a cure versus a hear Boston versus Atlanta and kind of like what I found,

where like the big differences. The biggest thing would be it's much more walking culture, which is really refreshing. And so I go back to the push cart because I know you're talking about this on one of your Ireland or Scotland. I think it was Ireland, I guess. I think there's a time and a place for the push cart. I think I just used it in the wrong course. Like there's a super, like it's really bad

to use it on a hilly course. Yes, it would be, yes. And it's not, it's not so much logistics. It's not necessary if you're going out to play 18 holes. It's my point. So backing up to my argument on the push car, in case you didn't hear it, when I used one in Ireland for my dad

and I is seven day eight round golf trip where you're walking 1836 holes a day. That wears on you and I've got two bad shoulders. I dislocated my shoulder. I've been rehabbing it. Lifting up a golf bag over my shoulder 50 to 100 times a day is not necessarily good for it. So it does serve a purpose if you're going to be walking a ton. If you're going to be walking a ton. If you're going to have to play 18 holes of golf, I can carry my bag. That's no problem at all. But if you're going for a long weekend of golf,

or a week of golf, I'm signing off on the push card. It's fine. It's more manly than it is taking a actual golf card. It's my whole point. You can't say like, I'll take, I don't know, it's such a pride thing that people were refused to use a push card and I know I already lost I lost some some fans on by just by saying this on the island I'm probably losing more saying it now but I'm in on push cards yeah part of the push card mafia push card mafia um let's see here another one who do you think has more me more PGA tour? W's left in the tank. Big cat lefty. That's Brad Bachman just asked.

Yeah. The question more majors. I'm on record to say I think big cat wins two more majors. Two more majors. That one's that's strong from that that's strong for me. I I you you have been adamant. I think I mean even as of maybe even like a year ago, saying that you think Big Cat comes back and wins. Two more majors, that seems strong to me. I'm not gonna disagree with you. I say he wins again. I don't think it's gonna be another major though.

I just look at, I was telling Swantak, it's like you just look at the British, you know, I mean, the guy, I just go back to Augusta a few years ago yeah when he like pulled a top five of it as he asked he does a lot of that at Augusta yeah but like he hadn't pulled anything like that was that I know where one thing I wanted to ask you about was the Zurich classic when you're talking to Chuck E. triple stick about he was so like he was I was shocked to see to hear how bearish he was on that. Yeah, he thought of an angle that I hadn't thought of you know and I think he's looking

at it from a overall bird's eye view of the PGA tour and he's probably got a bot I mean he definitely has a lot better understanding than I do of like the tour's relationship with sponsors and how they come up with formats and whatnot. So it was a good point he made on how I don't know what, he thinks that I think he sees it as kind of a slippery slope in that, you know, a sponsor can say, hey, you led Zurich do this crazy format.

Why won't you let us do this format? And I don't know who comes up with these, and who determines the format and whatnot. For me, I'm ecstatic to see them kind of invoking this European tour half-baked idea thing, which we need to do like a whole podcast, I'm just half-baked ideas. We really do.

Like the fact that they're doing this format and not having one day as a two-man scramble Oh, I know is it disgrace? I know that is that needs to be At the top of the list as far as priorities go and so my idea was it two-man scramble and every whole you don't birdy You have to each have to remove a club from your bag Right, I mean because you should birdie almost every hole I mean it's you should birdie almost every hole. I mean, you should make 13 years.

For more. Like, yeah, go out and have a three club tournament one day. That's getting a little crazy. For professional golfers, I'm a three club tournament. It might end up being a three club tournament by the end of the run. Yeah, if you run out of clubs, you're done. You're disqualified from the event.

So. We got a question. Who's winning the Puerto Rico Open and the John Deere Classic in 2017? We talked about the majors already, didn't we? My man, real Andy Starrer. Ha ha ha. I don't even know who plays these events anymore.

I would say Speed wins the JD. He'll be back at the JD this year, probably, right? Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, and hopefully stricker. I want to see like a speed Strictor battle. Yeah, I think that would be riveting is furec gonna be the captain for the 18 Ryder Cup team Yeah, you love the Ryder Cup. It's insane. I do I really the Ryder Cup. I do, I really do. It's like an unhealthy. Yeah, I mean, I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be. And then, yeah, really all I care about is like, I think,

somebody was saying how, I think it was Chuck E. Chippell who was like saying how the, you know, he saw a pool tour as the Euro captain in New York. I think pool tour needs the way it is turned. I think they need to fire up Monty. Again? He was already captain? 2010! Wales!

Oh yeah, the fire is up again. That's so good. Yeah, he would have been scored, David. Captain the 2020, 2014 at Beth, 2020-14 at that page. Well, I'd be like a playing captain. I thought about that. So, all right, I had the same question that I asked them, uh, does Phil play in 2018?

Yes. 2020. No. No, you're calling him done at 2018. Okay. Yeah. I'm the, so- His putting is gonna fall off a cliff, I I think. So what you're saying is I think that Phil is going to play in six more years of rider cups than you do. Okay. All right. All right. We're over an hour now. Let's find one last final question. What's the bet impact golf? What's the best put down or trash talk you've heard after missing a short putt uh...

actually this one really gotten dj's head last weekend so i never really watched american idol but my brother's like one of his favorite things to say it's not kind of modified it it's uh, when that guy Randy, is it Randy? One of the judges. Randy Jackson? Yeah, Randy Jackson.

He'd be like, I don't know him in. It's a little pitchy for me dog. I kind of modified that so I'm like, it was a little twitchy for me dog. Or like, I just kind of go to an Ian Dark the soccer announcer and say like pace like you know like if somebody brands it through the parade pace those are kind of my two favorites just because they kind of make people think that's like damn it man That was too good to start thinking about being twitchy. I didn't think you'd have two good ones like that on I thought I was putting on the spot with that question But that was you came through kind of been yeah, I mean kind of been trying to Trying to up that part of my game Because you whiffed on the first T. So yeah, definitely work on your trash talk. That's what's gonna help you

All right anything else when you're in Last thing I think going back to the Zurich what Carrying I thought this was a good question. We're carrying would be the most the one you'd most want to see and what would be the one that would be most combustible So big cabin who in somebody's got to be the one you most want to see, right? I don't know what the who I would even put in that. I mean, like Tiger Phil would be hilarious, like if they just rub that in house, Sutton's face. I don't know, our guy's going to play this.

I feel like everyone that's every big name that is is gonna play it has already committed to it, right? Really? I mean, it's kind of a tough spot on the calendar for sure. Right, and so I mean, I still don't think if you're not tied to the sponsor and you're, I mean like, Adam Scott's not playing this, is he or like, Phil's not playing, I mean, they're not,

they're not getting any other, another top 20 player in the world that wasn't planning on playing just because the format i don't think you didn't you don't agree uh... there may be one or two more i mean all the thing is so zirke has coming back exertors guys on their payroll kind of thing just like rbc does yeah a little bit

uh... i wouldn't mind seeing d and D-shambo play together. That would be fascinating. I think that would be extra fascinating. Please make them like an alternate shot or something like that. You have to mic those two up. That would be fascinating conversation. Yeah, I think that would be the best pairing you could possibly have.

Yeah, that's better than my big cat and I didn't even pick somebody to pair him with. So, my brain's fried. It's 11.30 over here. It's nighttime. Yeah, I'm totally going to be. I'm toast. So, Tron, thanks for jumping on, man.

This might be the end of the No Lang Up Podcast for the year. I'm going to be gone for 22 days in Africa. So, chance I might record one in the end of this week, and then we'll probably post it next week, but I don't know if that's gonna come. Yeah, like George Kutsi or Brendan D'Yan or somebody. Somebody like that. South African. Yeah, yeah. Gary Player. We've been to a volunteer who out, you know, one of those guys.

Gary Player, open invitation to come on the podcast, man. Richard Sternie. one of those guys. Gary Player, open invitation to come on the podcast, man. Richard, Richard Sterny. Are there any good Namibian golfers? I'll work on that for you. Okay, work on that for me. But if this is the end of the year, thank you everyone for partaking in an awesome year with the podcast. Hopefully we get one more, but if not, we'll be back in January. In the meantime, should have led with this but Trap draw podcast the other podcast of our no-lang up network that Tron and Randy host Do you guys have anything on tap for that in the near future? Yeah, we got a couple of coming We're gonna try to knock out three nice first-year here. That's all right. There it is. That's how you bridge the gap

Into the new year check out the trap draw podcast. I'll put a link in the show notes on the website and We'll go from there. Cool. All right, Sean. Thanks for the time, buddy. Talk to you soon. See the right club today That's Better than most That is better than most Better than most That is better than most. Better than most.