No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 592: Tiger's meeting, Reed sues Brandel, Pro-Am w/ Tony Finau

Episode Date: August 18, 2022

On the heels of a pro-am round with Tony Finau and JR Smith, Soly recaps his day at the BMW Championship with Tron and DJ before diving into the rumblings after Tiger's meeting with some of the top ranked guys on tour. Then it's back to the courtroom as Patrick Reed sues Brandel Chamblee and the Golf Channel for $750 million.  DJ helps us take a gleeful look at the absurdity of the legal filing - as well as P's choice of representation - for some much needed laughs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Langa podcast. Sully here, this episode was supposed to be an interview that we had scheduled for today. Here at the BMW Championship that got postponed delayed, canceled, however you want to call it.

Not happening this week. We were planning to do a little emergency session up front talking about the ridiculousness of this week already to this point, mainly Patrick Reed. We just decided to extend this into a full episode here at the BMW Championship. I'll give a shout out to our partners at BMW. You thought BMW was just the ultimate driving machine. It is so much more. It is also the ultimate electric driving machine, the ultimate buddies trip machine, the ultimate design machine because the ultimate cannot be contained to just one thing.

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with today in the program. He has a little little something to say. We're going to start it right with that. All right, Randy DJ Tony Fina here, hanging out with your boy. Apparently there's some best that you guys haven't paid up on. That just ain't cool man. That's just not cool. You got a lot haters? Yeah, I got a lot of haters. I love haters. It's all good, but you got to pay up on your best when you lose. Take care of my guy. Come on. Deage, your thoughts.

I thought I was kind of classless from big tone, you know, just just really kicking a couple small business owners while we're down, you know, chips chips are down for me and my guy Randy and and here comes big tone, you know, I don't think we would ever dance on his grave in that way. And just, you know, he just couldn't seem to help himself. No, of course, I laughed my ass off. It was delightful. Fair play to big tone as our friends across the pond would say.

Just I chuckled from just smiled from ear to ear watching him have a little fun dancing on us. I hate it, man. I don't want to become a big tone fan. I've got too much invested, but he's he's making it tough. You know, it's he's starting to win me over and I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that. He didn't even stunt on you too hard. He was no about it.

No, you were basically holding the McGun point just done. It was, you know, you're you're you're waiting in the wings there. If people haven't seen the video, just just really having them read the script. It was I told him about it early on. I was like, we may have to get you to get you to send a video. He's, oh, we're definitely doing that. We're doing that. He was he was fired up to do video. He's, oh, we're definitely doing that. We're doing that. So he was, he was fired up to do it.

He somehow had not heard at all any about any of these shenanigans over the last. Good on him. Or he played dumb that he hadn't heard, but it was, it was, he was unsurprisingly big tone as the man. And it was a totally absolutely delightful day. Tell me about your, your experience. You know, I don't know if you've, if you've really told the people, you know, you had kind of a, a, not a free role necessarily, but kind of put part of the BMW group. You got pretty select, uh, pro-am. You know, there's a lot of, a lot of

pressure there when it's like, hey, you can kind of almost pick just about anybody to play with. And for the haters and losers out there, Big Tone was one of my suggestions as well, I believe. Just let, let the record show that. Which, Dej, as your lawyer, I just want to say, I don't think big tone stunted on you or Randy for any of the takes. It was just for not paying off the bet. That's all true. That's a good point. That's that's, yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Trot. I have, I've got no further input on anything else you need to hear. You can hear from my lawyer, Trot. I'm an unbiased observer here. And I know that, totally, you know, I think I was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one who was of a stretch because the whole thing was the bet that he wouldn't ever win in ever win again and again and anyways, but no, it was a he didn't start a win until these guys left for a little.

Okay, here we go. And I didn't want to bring that up. I didn't want to bring that up. I didn't want to make connect those dots. Anyway, tell us more about it. No, it didn't matter when he won the Northern Trust, which was all the big limited field of that as well. Okay.

Can critter that one. And. Yeah. Monday finish when everybody was really tired. It was I think you know, I've been I've been on the major medical list for the programs for the last three years, haven't gotten to play for for quite some time. And it was good to dust it off, get back into competition. You know, I just love competing out there. And taking the program extremely serious. But no, it was, I haven't, you know, we kind of wanted to pick someone that we haven't gotten to spend a lot of time

with or listen, I love Max, but like we, we get to see Max pretty often. So it was fun to get to know someone that, you know, we hadn't, and also just like confirm a lot of what we thought. I mean, he was, you know, I didn't talk a ton to him because he was freaking amazing with like, the caddies. We were all Evan scholars and plat scholars and things like that. Just like asking them a million questions and like helping them with, you know, what, you know, showing him what how he does certain things and things like that. He's a class act super easy to root for. How to great.

I wish I'd have caught this on camera. Didn't really catch on camera, but asked him about like, all right, I was kind of kind of go to him into. Can you give us one 200 mile an hour ball swing give it give us the full parallel can you take give us the big smash do you do that once for the pro am groups and He kind of like laughed it off. I was like dude. Yeah, please don't pull the muscle in the pro am going into the The finale here and I just asked him like how do you how do you rain it in? How do you and why do you rain it in he had had a really great point of like, my whole life,

like speed has always been a luxury to me. Like bombing, like distance is never an issue. Like getting somewhere is never an issue. I can get to anything I want to, but it's always been way offline. So like anything that's like straight is gravy to me, even like my straight ball is so, is top 30 in distance and super playable.

Like I don't need anything more than that. He's like a lot of these dudes that like drive it really, really good at like a higher, you know, full speed, you know, have a different advantage where like that's just not me. Like I don't have full control of the ball. Like anytime I see that little cut and I can hit it that fairway finder at like, and give her talk on like 180 ball speed. Like that's where I like play really good golf. And like I found that pretty interesting So we're gonna get on the pod. He was a coin. He had nowhere to run So I was when I said you got to come on the podcast. He's like, yeah, sure. I'll do it

But let's get inside of it. They say that a lot. You never know if it's gonna actually come to fruition And we'll throw some stuff up on the Instagram story tonight memorializing the day for you. Yeah, it was fantastic. We got to play with J.R. Smith too, who was at the pipe. He was, he was a, a hoot to play with. He attracts a, you know, a pretty big yellup on every tee box he goes to. He was great with the fans, great with caddies and you could tell he's crying, he was crying out there. He's, he's getting work in and he, he flashed a couple birdies coming in and he, he hits it nice. He's got it, you know, he would tell you, he's a shore up things around the green and with his approach game a little bit and everything

and his speed was a little off at the putting. But it was, yeah, it was pretty wild to, there's the PGA tour post at a photo of just, of just a Finaw and J.R. in the group. And I was like, and people were like, oh, you got done dirty. They didn't post photos like, thank God, they didn't post the photo of me.

That's what it was, too sick. You got you got done dirty. They didn't post photos like thank God they didn't post the photo of me Looking so dumpy and like all the gray hair popping out of the judge Me and the judge the club championship the club champion there at Wilbyton Who was awesome. She was incredible. We were just hanging out while those two were just stunting for the cameras But no, it was it was very much a, what am I doing here kind of kind of day, but, and it was also fun to catch up with Keith Mitchell, who was our other nine hole partner, but it's easier to give Keith shit. So the highlight of the day might have been,

we flip over to, so if you don't know how these work, the nine and nine programs, or you play nine, like the front nine with a certain pro, and that pro is done for the day, and, like the front nine with a certain pro, and that pro is done for the day, and you play the back nine with a different pro, basically, so you get to get, play with two different guys, and also they only have to play nine holes.

They flip over and the person running the 10th tee was like, to Keith, like, are you, so are you Chris Solomon? And he just like lost it, and I was like, so, okay, so you must be JR Smith. And it was just the ultimate play better. I got it all on camera. I was like, I'm so glad I got that.

He was a little peeved about it, if you will. But. Solly, what the judge had to say about Delaware? This is the first time I've ever spent time here in the great state of Delaware. We talked a lot at lunch afterward about how the court system really works here and how it's all based around all these corporations that file here which are based here, which is, I don't even know how many of these. Yeah, it's enormous.

You would love it. It's right up your alley. I don't fully comprehend how any of that works. It was wild talking to her about, she's a state judge here, and she does a half civil, half criminal, and things like that. And it was complicated, it was interesting.

There's a lot of crime in Delaware. And so she's involved in a certain kind of crime. White collar crime. No, no. Crime crime. Crime crime. Yeah, there's a lot of open murder trials and unfortunately here, but it got some dope ass license plates though.

Can't argue with that. When you when you get to the, you know, when you're done with your reporting on the universe, maybe you get the Delaware next on the trap draw. You would you would love a smaller universe. It's own universe. Love a Delaware Delaware trap. It's almost like a universe that slammed into New Jersey and Philadelphia as well.

Exactly. That's kind of the idea. It's like the drug trade down the coast, like Delaware gets caught up in the middle of that. But allegedly, that's what I've won on today. So. So I know it's only nine holes. I know it's a practice round, but anything stick out

from big tone, golf-wise, as far as like a guy who's playing some of the best golf in the world right now, anything that you've been around a lot of players did anything big tone did kind of stick out and and and you know, go noticed. For someone struggling with driver right now, it is just stark like to just watch someone like the what I said to Jay Hard today is like dude how I feel watching these dudes plays like it's like somebody scratched and they just take the cue ball out and they moved around the table and find the spot they want like that's how it feels like watching those dudes play golf. And I'm not I'm not amazed by the distance. The moral. I'm not amazed by the distance anymore. I've seen plenty of that like it all the ball flights are you know come out the same

and after you see you know hundreds of not thousands those, you're not that amazed by it anymore. I'm just amazed at the precision at which it's like, all right, dude, like, you know, Keith Mitchell, the long part three was 234 yards or something on the back nine and he, with music Blaren and Kelly James rapping and all that stuff and he just like, carves a four iron in there to like two feet. It's just absurd and it's just like a totally different level. I mean, we know this, but a totally different level of ball control. It's not, you know, we make a, we say a lot about distance and brute force and all that, but it's so much more goes into it than just like brute force drive it as far as possible.

And there's nothing else more to the game. And that's why we argue for tough setups more often because we don't get to see that stuff week in, week out on all these tour venues. And Wilmington, it was, we had heard some reports of it being a soft like target fest. It was not soft. The fairways are definitely firm. Greens were firm. Greens are enormous. Northeastern big time. They shrank them. Big time. Or shrank them. I did not see that out there. There's I mean, there is enormous, enormous greens with like a ton of insulation going on in these a couple spots. I think the 18th hole is going to be like if you land one in like that middle tier, there's balls that are going to rip back like 65, 70 yards down the hill. Still important, like driving, important

like important driving course. Yes, I would say so, but it's it's going to be a lot of drivers for those guys, but it's also kind of like the teas are so far back on a lot of them that you can aim at bunkers that you can't reach Like Fino is just like hitting add a lot of bunkers today They's like yeah, we're not reaching that Scott was on Instagram yesterday talking about he was complaining about a par three or a par five Battle that really bad hole bad hole very bad where like he's like like why not move the tee up 30 yards very bad. Where like he's like, like why not move the tee up 30 yards, give these guys it go at it. But it's all going to a couple of caddies and they were saying that they will not be shocked at all to see some guys reaching. Well, it's, it's a par five that's

kind of blind. And then the fairway kind of bends to the left. But it's, you drive up over a blind. But it also slopes left to right. So you've got to draw it to hold the fairway because it's firm enough that balls just run into the right rough. Then you're hitting off a down slope with the ball below your feet, over water to a green on a par five. And it's like, and then you got to lay back on the, on the layup, you got to lay back to like 120. I mean, it's going to, I think it's going to be it. I mean, I, I feel like you get to enough, you know, you see a lot of these holes and you're like, oh, no one's going to get there. There will be guys that will, we'll go for it, but there's just not that much incentive to do it,

and there's gonna be a lot of laying up. Cause the wedge shots really easy with the... Okay. That was the only hole that stuck out to me that was kind of, yeah, I don't know about this. It was, it was an enjoyable golf course. What was the strength of the course? Part three, it was part five, it was part four.

The, you know, I hate say this, but the Pro-MTs are so far up that like, you kind of are going around dog legs and trying to hit hero shots and all that. So I didn't feel like you get the full driver out of the bag. I probably should have today. It was honestly kind of scary with people out there to be like kind of coming over this corner here and I don't really know where it's going, but we successfully did not hit

anyone today. But string the course of the greens. I think they could do some really fun stuff with pins. They can protect the par really well if they want to. But you could have some really fun stuff with pins. They can protect the par really well if they want to, but you could have some really fun pins, some shave banks going into water and things like that, things of that nature. I'm excited. It's always just good to be back in person, man. It's, you know, we say this, we travel enough and we don't necessarily need to go a lot of tour events, but I love coming to this championship. We've done it almost every year

since 2017. And it's just, again, one of those few ones where all the top players are there and and and ready to play, which I think bridges the gap to the next part of the conversation. That's going to say enough enough golf talk, man. Let's get into some policy. So there was a meeting at the hotel Dupont here in Delaware, which is where we were recording this podcast from TC and I at least are here last night. There was a pack meeting from three to five p.m. I think and then after that was the, there was the pack meeting and there was the cat meeting because Tiger Woods dusted off the jet, flew up with Ricky with Ricki got into a Nissan for some reason and it's a rental car.

And Tiger was driving again for some reason rental cars are hard to come by these days man. I think we should know that better than anybody a U-Haul but Who is thinking we go to Uber? It was widely reported on and Bmw would have picked him up. I know I probably he probably said no because he's you know You lost a shy right or probably thought he was gonna be off the grid You know, I just don't know I don't know. I see why tigers driving himself It doesn't make any sense. That's another conversation. Yeah, especially with the cameras on you

Like you know like you're being this is gonna make some news I'm dying and all all the tweets about his outfit. Oh my god For a tweets about his outfit. Oh my God. Like, poor ass. I don't want to cut the Eddie Bauer fall cattle hook. A lot of the Donald Trump junior in the woods motif that he had going on. So they, yeah, they, you know, Tiger, Ricky, and a lot of top players, influential players in the game, I think if you will, had a meeting of some kind last night here in the hotel, and details are tough to come by. They are tough to come by.

It's, you know, mum seems to be the word, did speak with someone close to the situation, if you will, and heard some reports from it. Got a few things we can share about what we know about what happened last night, but the majority, the conversation did not involve anyone from the PGA tour. PGA tour players were there, but did not involve anybody that works the PGA tour. Jay Monham was not there.

None of the other lieutenants were there. It was a conversation amongst the players. And hearing some of the details about it kind of gave me a little bit of a, I don't know if Piffin is not the right word but a realization, we've talked about this. It's not even a realization but it's like watching the players start to realize they should have been communicating stuff like this with each other a long, long, long time ago. Like they, again, it's kind of a representative, it's representative of the structure of the tour and that these guys get spread out over so many

different events and aren't all playing the same events at the same time, but the individual nature of the tour has hurt these guys in terms of one, a lot of players that I think that have left for live had really bad information and that went into making their decisions about how the tour is operating, how they're distributing their money, whatnot, and just like not temperature checking

what everyone else is doing. And it allowed the room. It's all through agents in middlemen. It allowed the rumors run rampant, and it allowed bad, I mean, just read James Hahn's tweets, right, like there's just some bad. The list goes on. The list goes on.

Bad information. I mean, James Hahn, like not intelligent. It's a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, There's a lot of continuity, there was a lot of pretty much kind of shared vision and I can't speak to this and I don't even know everyone that was in the room but it sounded like the guys that were there are very strongly committed to the PGA tour and maybe Tiger should have gotten involved in this earlier and I say that with the idea like also he doesn't have to. He does, he's done plenty for this tour and.

Well, it almost seems like with Tiger getting involved, he's getting involved and all these guys are gonna benefit from it. It's not necessarily Tiger benefiting from it. Correct. At this point, right? So it's kind of like it's just magnanimous on his part, I think.

I'm so fascinated by Tiger's role in all of this. And maybe this is just somebody who watches way, way, way, way too much golf and has kind of OD on a bit of a milk toast. role in all of this. And maybe this is just somebody who watches way, way, way, way, way, way too much golf and has kind of OD on a bit of a milk toast, PJ tour product over the last like 10, 15 years. But the idea of, you know, tiger grinding an out shirt, like that's, that's a very exciting proposition to watch. When he does tee it up, it's, it's great. I had a great time watching him at the majors and stuff. Much stronger drug for me these days is like tiger as a mentor, tiger as like getting involved in stuff.

He doesn't have to get involved in tiger taking an interest in certain things and just like speaking his mind on, you know, we'll see what happens. He spoke his mind a lot on the equipment stuff over the years, but everybody keeps forgetting that that's going on in the background. Like when that really starts percolating, I think Tigers' role in that is super interesting. I think his role in this, like you said, it's all he doesn't need to be involved. He can stay at home and count his money if he wants. And I don't think anybody would blame him or ask for anything,

you know, more than more than what he's already given to golf and to all the people in that room. Like nobody's expecting him to do much. And the fact that he is getting off the couch and flying here and taking an interest and doing all this stuff is fascinating to me. And I can't wait until we kind of learn a little bit more about what's on his mind, what is he really rooting for, what's he pulling for, what's he, you know, what's he saying behind the scenes to some of these guys,

what does he really think about, you know, he spoke very pretty candidly, I thought, at the British Open about what he thinks about live, but just, I don't know, man, it seems like the more of a role he takes in this, the better it is for, for all of golf, I think, right? I mean, I think it's a wildly positive thing that he's kind of inserting himself into this conversation, because I think we were kind of saying that a couple weeks ago is like, they're really is like, Jay can do his best to rally the troops and everything, but there's really as much of a cliche movie line as this sounds like. There's like one person in the world of golf that can actually galvanize like these young players, right? And I think

it's tiger. I think his word is going to carry more weight than than genuinely anybody else in the world of golf. I think also it's, you know, there, there probably is a selfish element of it too because his legacy gets diminished if everybody leaves the PGA tour. And I know he judges his legacy based on majors more than anything, but at some point he's still, you know, he's still played 90% of his golf, 95% of his golf and PGA tour events, not in majors. I think he's all there's got to just be a little bit, a little bit of like, yo, guys, come

on. Yes. Like, look at what I pay for you here. Like what, I'll come in and help, help just remind you a little bit of how and why this is all happening right here. Like what, what you are playing for this week right here at this championship.

And it's hard to, you know, he just hasn't been around. Like he's not around at these events. He doesn't see a lot of these guys. He's not there to, you know, I don't, I don't hard to, you know, he just hasn't been around. Like he's not around at these events. He doesn't see a lot of these guys. He's not there to, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to like make this into a movie scene that he stood up and gave a speech and everyone cried and applauded and bowed down to him. It's not like the Arnold Palmer moment.

It doesn't seem like it, but it seems like there was genuine excitement in the atmosphere in terms of like all these dudes that have decided to stay that have you know kind of hits their wagon This the speeds that worries the JT's the roms have like had to deal with this negative momentum everywhere they turn right I mean like The best news is when somebody doesn't leave on a certain day right and it's not there's not been a ton of like new people declaring loyalty or like There's not been a ton of like new people declaring loyalty or like, you know, feel free to be in a room where a bunch of people are being like, yeah, I'm like, I'm committed to this. Like I'm committed to this. Here's how we can do this. Let's do this. What if we thought about this? How do we do this? How do we? How do we structure this?

So, it's great. I think there's a like, hey, there's that affirmation. Right? I don't, hey, like it firms to them that, hey, there's a sign here. There's a positive sign that I made the right choice that I'm on the right side of this. And then beat now once they get that affirmation now, what you're gonna get into, like what they're, they can game plan and they can strategize and they can get creative

and realize, kind of do a SWAT analysis of sorts, right? They can say, how do we all get on the course at the same time? How do we compete in more events together? Right, how do we, you know, it's a challenge because of the different sponsorship agreements that people have, you know, you may end up skipping, like a decent amount of people skip the Genesis,

which like shouldn't happen, right? But if you have an Amex deal and you have blah, blah, blah, or whatever that might be, you might be playing the Amex and it might lead to four in a row and you might need to skip one or. You're playing Capulua that year or yeah. Capulua, yeah. or whatever that might be. You might be playing the Amics and it might lead to four in a row and you might need to skip one or. You're playing Cap allure that year or yeah. Cap allure, yeah. Cap allure, sorry.

You know, you got to fit the Saudi international in, of course. And that's also a big curveball in the winter schedule. But I'm really hesitant to get like overly excited or encouraged by it because it's like, dude, how has it gotten to this point where you needed to like, the light bulb needed to go off where you needed to all compete against each other more frequently? That's the thing that kills me. It's like a total repudiation of everything that's the tours. Both the tour and the players, like the players have no idea how to, you know, what power they have, how to assert their power.

Like really even yesterday, I'd be super interested. Do you guys know like, like I Harry Higgs, who is not inside the top 125 who lost his card this year? How does his, like, is he no longer on the pack because he lost his card? How does that work, even? Don't know the answer to that. I mean, I would imagine he's, I don't know. He still got his car. I think he still remember.

I think it runs calendar year. Okay. I believe. But, you know, it's like the toward, like these guys don't even have, it's like, let's say they go into that meeting and have a vote of no confidence in Jay in the gang, like, then what? Like, that's not a, there's no recourse that they have on that, the board doesn't have to do anything, right?

So I think it's, it's these guys kind of waking up and realizing, like, yo, this is our tour, but like, we don't necessarily have any power or know how to exercise that power and Peter Monardi who's gonna be one of the the player directors next year like You know what maybe it should be JT or maybe it should be speed There maybe it should be one of those guys instead of Peter Monardi You know and I a great conversation with someone today as well that was not a part of this meeting But also is here at the BMW Championship and a player on tour.

And the conversation, it was really interesting in terms of how there is no easy solution to this and how like in a in-piece time, how much it makes sense for there to be 47 FedEx Cup events or whatever it is over the course of a season. And 1,000%. FedEx cup events or whatever it is over the course of a season and 1000% they sold that big deal big-ass deal to FedEx with a basis of like No, like MX gets five. I don't know. I'm shitting all over MX, but we can we can we can we can add in 3M We can anyway everyone that they're getting 500 FedEx cup points like and the next one is Rock and mortgage rocket mortgage. You're getting you're getting 500 FedEx cup points. And what's Genesis 550?

It's slightly elevated, but it's not much of a difference, but the idea being like, we're selling, what's the FedEx package? 660 million over, however many years, or something like that. It's, that makes a lot of sense in that regard. And you can't just ignore, if you ignore the fall, you have opened up a pre-live, you've opened up,

well, a lot of these dudes are gonna go play the race to Dubai now. So why wouldn't we try to put on more PGA tour events in this fall? And I think we've suggested they should make a sprint cup in the fall and then just start the FedEx cup season in January. Then it becomes like, oh, they have too many cups.

There's the FedEx and then there's the Comcast business sprint to high modem speed, top whatever, top 50 in the fall. But like what you guys can't really could use because you're both having a tether to your phones right now. Well, listen, that's all the fun. This isn't a point of presence. And not have cringey. We're right down the street from Comcast,

you know, Comcast HQ and Philly. I don't know what's going on. No, I think also on the flip side, the more the best guys tee it up in the same events, the less of the other events they're going to play. Which also weakens, let's say they kind of fix the glitch a little bit. Yeah, but also that it fixes the glitch, but it also, unless the tour has a better mechanism or is centralizing the funds and then distributing them to each tournament, how they see fit,

it's gonna strengthen the pie. But in a kicker that I had a comment that I'd heard that it honestly never thought hadn't thought of was like, all right, let's say we go kind of all in, I'm talking for tour player perspective, let's say, hey, we'll go all in on these events and like, what if people don't watch, which is extremely likely.

And like the decimal point differences in the amount of people that are watching like a medium to low Tor event versus a good Tor event is straight up like not worth the exchange. Well, the other thing is all these proposals that we've heard for the last few months, or you know, year really, have been predicated upon big money limited field events in the fall.

Nobody fucking watches golf in the fall. That's why, that's why you've, Jerry Mander, the FedEx cup to the point where it is with this whole reach around schedule and all that stuff. And it's like, at some point like play these big events during peak golf season, like during the during three four three fall ones, right? And then five elevated during the regular season. Yeah.

Because I know a lot of people still think that there's eight fall events that were that was in the erroneous article that was not really properly corrected. And I hear that all the time they added eight new event. No, they didn't. That and I think I'm okay with like a silly season funny money, just funnel the money to the players here. Do this thing in the fall. I don't really use it as a mechanism by which to funnel the money in because all I'm thinking about as a as a fan is thinking the players, you know, we're back to the players mistaking the product for per size and ending up with more hero world challenges. Which to two on Tiger's point, like I think Tiger, like that's one of the things that he's,

like he teed it up in these, the Buick challenge and the Buick classic and all these Buick events all the time. And it's like Tiger has a hand in some of this schedule stuff as well, some of these problems. That's what I was going to say too. I, with very, very limited to almost no knowledge of kind of what the meeting was about and who was there and blah, blah, blah, where my spidey sense starts to go off a little bit is exactly what you said, Tron, where some of the players are, I'm not expecting them to be smart in this way because their professional golfers, not like CEOs and CMOs and CFOs and all of those things rolled into one. But yeah, I start to worry a little bit on like, well, man, like do you guys know

what is best for the for the fan? Either like I know you probably think you know what's best for the pocketbook, but like is there is there some sort of like entertainment media adult in this room also talking about like what's feasible and what's what's going on because that you know just getting to a point of like how do we funnel more money to fewer players is not I is just the the structure of the PJ tour in peace times, right? Where I feel like I am just barely smart enough to see the entire iceberg of like how complicated all of this shit is and I am nowhere near smart enough to know like, well, actually in 1997, you should have done this or in 2007, you should have done this. Or in 2007, you should have done this instead, because it's like, when you have that many spinning plates, all going on at once, and you have like, okay,

we're in a, we're a tax exempt organization, because we're a membership group, we're a membership group, you know, we're structured this way, which means we got to care about one to 300, you know, on our rankings equally, okay, and we've got that spinning plate going, okay, that means we need to offer about one to 300, you know, on our rankings equally. Okay. And we've got that spinning plate going. Okay. That means we need to offer these kinds of events. Okay. That means the players are the top players are pissed. And now we got to come up with WGC's. Okay. Now we got to come

up with the FedEx Cup playoffs. Okay. Now we got to come up with the play 15. Okay. Now we got to come up with the PIP. Okay. Now we got to come with blah, blah, blah, blah. And there's in their preselling all the ads for the like for the the the, the, the networks too, or 75,000. Where I, I just want to be like a little sympathetic or fair, I think it's easy to be like, oh my god, the tour is asleep at the wheel, man, they should have figured this shit out. It's like when, like when are you gonna like hit

the emergency brake, slam all the luggage to the front of the train here and say like, look, I know everybody's getting paid exponentially more than you ever expected to get paid playing golf, but we're going to halt everything. We're going to blow it up. We're going to change it all. Just in case the Saudi Arabian government happens to get interested in our sport and wants to like, nuke things with an irrational amount of money. But that's, I also get that that's incredibly fucking hard to have done as well. So it's the whole thing, like it boils down to just like it's very complicated. And I also am like, I don't know if the group of, you know, the Avengers all meeting at the hotel is necessarily going to like solve this and and going to have their arms around all of this. However, I think them all meeting without the PJ tour in the room and with whoever else is in the room, like I do think that's still a wildly positive step. It's all that makes sense.

We should call on team Fox catcher. Because I didn't want to get into a trap draw conversation, but I was going to ask you if that was the same do park. I mean, we're in fucking dull. It's gotta be. Yeah, totally. Yeah. No, I think there's DJ to your assertion that like when does the tour wake up and like I think for the last two years, they were asleep at the wheel to a certain extent, right? And that's where I think some of the near term stuff is like, Hey, to your plate. Just real real quick, you also

have a fucking pandemic going on. That time as well. Give them a lot of leeway on that. But you know, it seems like this has happened faster and more forcefully than they could have anticipated. They need less plates. All right, we need to agree with that. We need bigger plates in the air, less plates, bigger plates. All that. Jeremy Goliath style.

Yeah, but also like at some point, it's, it plates, all that. Jeremy Goliath, style. Yeah, but also like, at some point, it's, you got to fix the short term and the long term. The short term is these top players want more money. The long term is the money is so disconnected from the product and people are tuning out as it is and as these CEOs and everybody gets, like there was a big article in Sports Business Journal a few weeks ago or a month ago about

how the ratings don't like, hey, they don't fucking matter for the tour right now and be like the older their demographic gets the more positively they can actually spin that as far as you know household household income and see sweet, you know connections and all. It becomes one fan worth like five. Exactly. And so they're kind of mired and all of that, which is for the short term, that's a good thing. And it insulates them from having to care about the product even more in the short term. But at some point, that carousel is going to stop. But the tour has been incentivized not to give a shit

until we get to that point, right? It, I just want to pause it at this point to emphasize like, to your point, to that point, right? I just wanna pause it at this point to emphasize, like to your point to, Dege, building up a strategy to beat this irrational actor would have been, it would not have been a good business decision. Imagine how many possible irrational actors

could potentially be possible things that would come in and cause a shit storm. China should get involved. Like, what about China? It would not have been, and it wasn't even like preventable. You just couldn't stop this amount of money. But that's where I push back a little bit, yes.

As far as a cohesive overarching strategy, but when you have this many little chinks in the armor, yeah, with, you know, like you can't even get fucking app app though, or you can't even get, and I know that does in fact, or in, but like, it, it speaks volumes about the players being out of the loop and disconnected, and like, if the players had better communication, both with the tour and the tour, serve to educate the players a little bit better, and, and yeah, the players need to take more of an interest along the way as well. But, if the schedule didn't suck so bad, if guys weren't burned out from having to feel like they play the fall series events, you know, or else they're going to fall

behind in the FedEx cup, like all those little things add up, right? And it's not like it's going to stave off the Saudis alone, but I think it's a diebreaker for some guys, or I think it's, you know, it makes the decision easier for guys, right? Yeah. It, I do get a sense that the momentum is either going to grind to a halt or stop here. I've, you know, we've heard, I think, four momentum on which side? On, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for,

for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for, for Liff in terms of like the sliding momentum on the PJ tour being like we're just losing everybody like I think we can We can sit here named four people that we think are going is is what I what I think of as of now I mean two Australians have been widely widely reported one American and one non-American non-US American That I think are as good as gone and recruitment efforts I can't even think of who you're talking about but it as good as gone and recruitment efforts. I can't even think of who you're talking about.

But it's not huge names. I can't think of the four huge names. Yeah. Two would be not huge names. To the point where like, you can start to build the foundation of the shores up when you don't have to like worry like, is this guy, and maybe you do stuff to work like this guy just told me he's not going but he. But the uncertainties, it's how much more than it.

And like there's just a different like, I'm just gonna pull Scottie Shuffler's name out and I know absolutely nothing about this, but let's just, it would have been really hard not to have at some point over the last several weeks and months like thought like, am I making the right call here? Like, am I John? Like, am I making the right call here? But I get the sense that after last night, whatever the hell

happened in there, the tigers, the tigers applause inducing speech and everybody crying. I get the sense that it's like, all right, yeah, I get sense it's like, all right, we got a good thing going here. We got a good crew. We got to work together better, but like, this is it. Like, we're going to stay. The fact that Ricky came up with Tiger, like that alone, I think, you know, I commend Ricky too for being proud as open and honest and thoughtful during this whole Tiger, like that alone, I commend Ricky too for being proud as open and honest and thoughtful during this whole thing of like, I haven't made

a decision. I'm up in the air, that kind of thing. So I would think that's a positive development for him. I've heard from a bunch of people that Hadecki seems solidly tore now, which that was a big rumor the last month or two that he was as good as gone and Sriksan was going to be basically sponsoring a whole team and footing, you know, a lot of his, his, you know, upfront fee. So, and hearing good things on Neiman now, which as of a couple months ago looked very bad, then the momentum seems to have

slowed there, but hearing that that is a, I don't want to say safe bet, but that is a, and it's hearing this stuff from non-tour sources, which is, you know, like the tour can like, they've got employees. We say the tour that means you mean employees. Yeah, like non-tour employees and, you know, like people outside of that ecosystem. Yeah, that's it. Exactly. So it, we're keeping our ears to the street on everything we could possibly know.

I also just think that, you know, it's worth mentioning some of the younger players too. Like, I know there was this, this idea that, oh, they're going to poach the USAM champ. They're going to post the NCAA champion. They're going to poach all these guys, which they varied. Well, still might, you know, but it's kind of interesting and I think exciting as, you know, it's pretty clear where I stand in this conversation. But to hear like Pearson, Kudy's comments of just like, no, I'm not interested at all to hear like to see a guy. Honestly, I know he's kind of turned into a little bit of a joke with this

group, but Ludwig, you know, having, you mean a joke? No, I just mean it. It's a loaded term. He lost today, okay? You don't have to dance on it. You see your boy. Yeah, which by the way, this is a, well, we can take this off on. But how is it? How is it pronounced? I will never in the, the big team. see your boy. Yeah, which by the way, this is a, well, we can take this off one. But how's it spell? How's it pronounced? I will never in the, the big between the and the pukashell necklace. Yeah, that's no good. Maybe still. It seems like a very, very legit player, though. But anyways, the point you don't see those guys going, the point that like, I don't know, man, there, it's, it's

going to be the next 12 months for Liv are gonna be very, very interesting. He said very obviously. Well, I also wanna say Kim Young, looking very, very, very good for the tour right now. And lastly, to all the tracker accounts, don't go reporting any of this on Twitter as news, right? The context of this conversation is extremely important and don't go around there saying,

we're gonna be that solid going after the tracker account. No, I'm not going after you went after them. I'm giving them a command. And you thank me. You can report that you can report that Ludwig lost to American future star Ricky Kestelio. You can report that. That is a fact.

I think also just thinking more largely about the tour like I, I hope that, you know, I think the players, the players have a lot of smart connections out there, right? The business world and all sorts, and like, connections on the C-suite. Exactly, you know, a Jesuit connection on the C-suite even. And I believe it was the C-level. But, you know, like, I think, I do think that, like, one of the big hopes, I think,

for one of the things that disappointed me most about Jay Monhan was that he was gonna,, I thought he was going to clean house at the tour a little bit more than he did. And I think that there's still, like, especially on the product side of the business, so it comes. And that's, I think there's some, like, it's a very weak organization. And like, I think that they need to finally address that. And if Jay's

gonna, if Jay wants to keep doing this job, he needs to make some hard decisions on that front. Because I just think from a business standpoint, like the business, like, towards really good at selling shit, they're not very good at like producing and being creative and communicating. I don't know. This is all exceedingly inside baseball, but it's also, I think, operating within the confines of a lot of the spinning plates that we're talking about, right? And a lot of that stuff is, you know, you can't do some of the hyper creative things

because you're bound by this membership structure and you can't, I'm not saying that's everything, certainly. But like, I'm just talking about compilations. I do think that's part of it. Certain ways too. Like, we need some adults. I think it distills down to the TV product more so than, and I don't know if that is encompassed

in what you're talking about. Yeah, I mean, it all comes down to the TV product, I think eventually, but there's so many things, there's so many little signs and tells here and there that it's like, come on guys, like let's run this like an adult organization. Which, yeah, I, there's no better time to refresh. The way a lot of things are done.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of Patriots from time to time. That was in the FBI reports. Some of the truth network, people were quote, that one, TC, so you might be able to watch, that might be dog whistle for some of our... I think my guy is General Francis. I'm a more patriotic listeners.

General Francis X Hummel. I believe quoted that in the rock as well. I know, no, that was pretty, pretty good stuff. Speaking of patriots, can you bring us to our next topic? I was debating, I know, I saw a couple of good segues there, but yeah, speaking of Americans really protecting the, I would say really free speech of democracy. Patrick Reed, formerly known as Captain America P,

has filed a defamation lawsuit against Brando Eugene Shambley. His middle name is Eugene. Yeah, that was a big part of the lawsuit that came out. Also Patrick Nathaniel Reed for the listeners at home. Quote alleging that they have conspired as joint tort feasers and with the PJ tour, it's executives and it's commissioner Jay Monahan to engage in a pattern

in practice of defaming Mr. Reed. There is an excellent, excellent 30 page, something like that, complaint in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas Houston Division. This was filed, I believe, by Mr. Reed's lawyer Larry Claimon, who don't worry we're going to get to that. Just really alleging, you know, defamation by, by Brandel, kind of on two folds, I would encourage everybody to go read the entire, kind of complaint because you obviously know as much about this stuff as I do. But I think the two real tent poles are just really banging on the cheating stuff,

Brandel calling Patrick Rita Cheater after his thing at the hero and of course his thing at the farmers. And then also some of his comments around the live stuff, you know, murderers lost today, things of that nature, which we could we could hit some of the some of the high points. But any questions from from the gallery here to start. Can you, hey, do you guys remember when when the plaintiffs caddy assaulted a fan allegedly? I think that fans face may have run into the plaintiffs fist.

Uh, well, how, yeah, how do we not get pulled into this, right? Because didn't you say punch them? It's early, man. It's, er, it's real early. It's real early in this thing. So I'm going to choose my words carefully. Yeah, this is actually, can you read out some of the, the nicknames that have been alleged? Oh, yeah, yeah. We're, I'm going to choose my words carefully. Yeah, this is actually. Can you read out some of the nicknames that have been alleged? Oh, yeah, yeah, we're going to get there. Um, just a couple of things just kind of going through my notes and going through the complaint here. Starting at point number seven, I thought it was very interesting. I, far be it for me, I would never suggest, you know, that, that Mr.

Reads wife had a hand in, in this filing. I just thought it was very very funny how much she comes up in the background facts. I could read those for you. Is it called background facts? Background facts. Use background facts. Mr. Reads is a professional golfer who began his career after winning back-to-back NCAA championships at Augustus State University. Started his professional career by quote Monday qualifying for PJ tour events in 2012 with his then fiance now wife, caddying for him seems like an irrelevant detail. The duo earned Mr. Reed a PJ tour card.

The duo earned Mr. Reed a PJ tour card through qualifying, uh, Q school, uh, for the PJ tour in 2012 together. They won their first PJ tour event, uh, in their first season on the PJ tour in 2012 together. They won their first PJ tour event in their first season on the PJ tour at the Wyndham Championship in 2013 at Sejfield Country Cup. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I just thought that was very interesting. They point out that Reed is the fourth American golfer to receive an honorary lifetime membership on the European tour after Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicholas and Tom Watson. I believe that is, again, I think we've checked with European tour on that. And that's just if you win a major, you're eligible to take off lifetime membership.

I don't know. Tiger just said, no, I'm not. Yeah, it's on the fourth to take it, I think. It's not the. Yeah. I think that's exactly right. There was a note in there about in June of 2022, Mr. Reed was constructively terminated

as a member of the PJ tour, as a result of threats made and actions taken by Jay Monahan, and he then signed with Liv Golf, just constructively terminated. I had to look that up, I think that's a, I didn't know that. I think that's a misleading term

that essentially just means resigned, but it definitely makes it sound like he was, he was fired from the PJ tour. Point number 13, I just really enjoyed this phrasing. In this regard, defendant, Shambley, a former professional golfer who fell short of ever rising to the accomplished level of Mr. Reed. I just thought that was pretty, pretty good stuff. Let's go to a TC, I believe that. You get to 18. Point 18? Yeah, point 18.

I believe this was the point that you referenced TC. And I'll let you know what I'm quoting here. I guess it's a bit of water. This is from the complaint. Referencing things that Mr. Reed heard on the golf course allegedly as a result of some of Mr. Chambley's defamation. These induced personal attacks include but are not limited to quote now on the tee the excavator kind of funny quote you suck quote you fucking suck quote you jackass quote you coward quote shovel

why don't you dig yourself a grave and bury yourself in it? That's a very specific one. Quote. You piece of shit. Quote. No one likes you. Quote. Everyone hates you. Read. Quote. Good luck digging yourself out of this one. Quote. Where are your parents coward? That one's that one's tall. Wow. It gets Quote. You cheater. Quote. Cheat. Quote. Everyone hates you, cheater. Quote. You're going to miss this. You cheater. Qu quote, you cheat in college and on tour, you piece of shit. Quote beat the cheaters ass. Don't know if that one's talking to read or about read. So that's a little I would like that one's tricking Quote, sorry web for having to play with the cheat. Who did you piss off that one? Hopefully was transcribed correctly. That was kind of long. Quote, why don't you introduce your children to their grandparents? You ungrateful bitch quote, why don't you introduce your children to their grandparents, you ungrateful bitch.

That one's also tough. Also, also, also really, could have been, yeah, to someone else in the read family about, that's, yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to wait into that territory. That one, that, yeah, that one's a little hard to laugh at. That's a tough one. And then it's, you know, this is just a sampling of what the defendants,

maliciously and intentionally caused and furthered with actual mouse, yada yada yada. Which if I may say to all of that there's a lot of in that a lot of like bullshit in this complaint of course a lot of lies. Well a lot of lies. I'm sure I believe everywhere to that that all the mistakes were yelled at Patrick read. Honestly that that seems pretty light. I think all of those things have been said in replies to my tweets about Patrick Reed. Yeah. I think that's probably right.

Point number 32, this was an excerpt from Travis Fulton's podcast. Someone or something named Froggy was also present for this, which I'll mark when they speak, but this is first Shambley states, quote, so if they're, this is regarding live. So if they're aligning themselves with a tyrannical, murderous leader, look,

if you look at who MBS is, centralizing power, committing all these atrocities, you look at what he's doing to the citizens of, of his country, ask yourself, I mean, would you have played for the Stalin? Would you have played for Hitler? Would you have played for Mao? Would you have played for Paul Pot? And then froggy, uh, ways in, would you have played for Hitler? Would you have played for Mao? Would you have played for Paul Pot? And then Froggy weighs in. Would you have played for Putin? Shambli, it agreement. Would you have played for Putin?

Which? And this is who this guy is. He settles disputes with a bone sauce. And then of course they explain why this is defamatory, accuses read of aligning himself with a tyrannical murderist, sportswashing leader. Nothing could be farther from the truth, of course. And also points out that that read would have a problem playing for Stalin or Hitler or a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's a man who's That was going to be my big finale. Thank you guys for getting to that. $750 million is the tune that they feel at least at least excess of it.

It's got to meet that threshold. Plus some of the punitive damages on top of that as well, I believe. That's where this has all been. There's been a lot of fun in games over the last weeks and months. And this was finally the one that was just like, that, this is too much.

This one's like way too much. Like, we literally could not have made up that Reed would sue Braindle Shambley for $750 fucking million. Dead serious, like actual, like, where are you putting in Houston? And nobody else's name, like, Shambley and Golf Channel will be only two defenders. Shambley and golf chance. Yeah.

Yeah. I know we got a lot more to get to, but I think it, I forget if I'm, I'm stealing this from somebody I read this somewhere, I heard this somewhere like the, the thought of the idea here that this is a huge discovery play overall from Liv in terms of like getting access to a lot of internal communications at golf channel. If this was any sort of play by Liv, they wouldn't have hired Larry Clayman, right? I mean, please, please judge. We're gonna get to that. I could have put a pin in that.

But yes, just one more point I wanted to point out before we move on too far is as a golf fan, as a what I would say, not a Patrick Reed fan. Of course, that is my opinion. I'm not, you know, I'm not suggesting anybody would say, not a Patrick Reed fan. Of course, that is my opinion. I'm not, you know, I'm not suggesting anybody else should not be a Patrick Reed fan. I think Brando comes out looking pretty awesome about in this because I forgot about a lot of these absolute bangers

and they just kind of spell them all out. And they're so fucking funny. These, this is just a, just a, a smatter. I miss, Brando. I don't really watch golf, you know, I know. And I'm blocked by him on Twitter. I got blocked by both of these people planted and the defendant I can only communicate with the with the plaintiffs

alleged burner accounts Let me give you just a just a couple. This is from a segment on the golf channel quote The specter of having in their midst somebody who still frequently frequently broke the rules. Look, they made a deal with the devil when they put Patrick Reed on this team. I thought that was pretty funny. They thought that whatever darkness he would bring to the team would be offset by his competitive fire.

When was the last time a teammate stabbed everybody in the back as soon as the event was over? It was the last time there was a team event and it was Patrick. The fact that he thinks there's no intent, I think as ego is as big as Jupiter, ego monsters are irritated by facts, but they're not moved aside from them. They think their ignorance of the facts or their version of what happened is greater than the truth. This is going to follow him around like the video of Nixon say it. I'm not a crook. It's just, again, I would encourage you guys to go read. It's just kind of 30 pages of brandel just dunking

on on Patrick Reed. I hate to say it. It's all like pretty, pretty fun. I would say thank you to this lawyer for accumulating all this in one place for the official record. Exactly. That's exactly right.

Tron, you've mentioned a couple of times Larry Claimon is the lawyer here. I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say,

I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, quick overview of who Larry Klaimon is. He's been described as, quote, pathologically litigious, which I think is a pretty great way to be described. Gadfly and a, quote, racist, frivolous litigator and a conspiracy theorist, while Klaimon describes himself as a, quote, modern-day John Adams in a fight for justice, which I think aligns with P's values probably pretty well. He has sued the Clintons upwards of 18 times

through his group Judicial Watch. He sued Barack Obama on behalf of a Florida resident claiming that he shouldn't be on the primary ballot because he was not a natural born citizen. He's big into and T.C. I thought this would catch your interest. He's big into forming citizen grand juries. So basically, he's got of getting their group of people together and just trying to kind of enforce laws through citizen grand juries. I think that that could be a way.

So the citizen grand juries, they can give warrants then to citizen, you know, sheriffs and to the citizens. Yeah. And that's where I haven't dug into that part, but that's on my list to follow up. Uh, he tried to sue Facebook for a billion dollars for not responding quickly enough to calls to take down an anti-Israel Facebook page. He sued Google and Apple and Amazon on behalf of Parler.

TC, I know you can probably give us the finer points of that. I'm on to that case. That's a little at this point. Unsuccessfully sued the Biden's. having alleged they pressure YouTube to ban his YouTube channel. So there could have been that could be how hidden pee met as as former, you know, kind of YouTube content. How many of these lawsuits like end up being where he has to pay the legal fees for the other side and gets fine for very bullshit. I don't have those numbers in front of

very, very rarely with. I think that's kind of the, didn't he sue his mom? Wasn't there a line? He also sued his mom. That was that was the last one. He also sued his mom in 1999 for, I think it was for medical costs related to his grandmother. So I wasn't able to read the case file on that one, but yeah, that also exists.

And then also just last thing, totally missed this, but he also sued the PGA tour in June of this year, trying to drum up a class action lawsuit. I hope I hope I'm reading this right. But I think the claim was that he had bought tickets to three events. And because the PGA tour banned a bunch of, you know, star players, his, like, he was affected to the tune of around $30,000. Uh, and he, he was, uh, not having that because that he was saying that the tour suspended these players on anti-competitive grounds, which, you know, I guess we'll see. He's down in Boko.

I think, uh, you know, maybe, maybe it was the Honda, you know, but that was, the Honda was after that, right? Or, yeah, it was something he said he he had he said he had bought tickets to the John Deere, the Fortnet and the Barracuda. But yeah, I don't know. There was also like he was going to buy tickets to three other events. So the whole thing, John Deere, you know, he keeps getting dragged into all this bullshit. Well, I would never suggest that, you know, there was any foul play.

But of course, there was a live event opposite the John Deere. So I almost wonder if maybe, maybe he bought those tickets with, you know, there was any foul play, but of course there was a live event opposite the John Deere. So I almost wonder if maybe, maybe he bought those tickets with, you know, the idea that he was going to form this law. So somebody, uh, who could possibly somebody in this guy's office put me on his distribution list during when this whole class action suit was going on against the tour. And I got, I must have gotten a dozen emails from them. And I would open them up. It would be rife with misspellings, which this was, I believe it said. That's a theme throughout here as well.

Tiger Woods, like W-O-O-D, posture vs. all sorts of little nuggets in there. I think the it's, like, Neil can relate with the it's and the theirs and things like that Which he might be a legal genius in this regard because there's Jeff Shackleford accumulated a bunch of old tweets from him Referring to Saudi Arabia and he says Brandon Shambley of Golf Channel and others have it right don't sell your soul to the murderous Saudi regime Which gave us September 11th?

So maybe he like laid laid this trap out there, but didn't use Brando's real actual name so he has legal coverage. He used Let's Go Brand and Jam. It's very interesting. Yeah, he was talking about something else. Which that, I mean, that tweet, that could mean anything. I definitely see how those two are going to be. There were plenty more.

There were some real bangers that people had dug up. I think that the overall takeaway for me from this was I think just how funny it is finally. It felt very cathartic. And like when I saw the news come across last night, I was like, oh my God, this is like, oh, this is tough. And it's just more bad news news and wow, what is golf turning into? And then I went back through and just read this,

when you just read all this shit in black and white, it like a legal, it's so funny, it's so funny. And you see like, you know, the pictures of reads house that was go to a larger post of that. That was spectacular. I mean, it's just the idea that any, I think where some of the fundamental misunderstanding with someone like Reed comes from is that you automatically have this right to be taken seriously.

And it's like, dude, you've had a decade and a half of like, you know, oh well, well, well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions, like kind of kind of shit. And like, you know, Reed, Bryson, any of these guys, it's just the fact that nobody can, the fact that nobody can like really, like put two and two together here and just realize like, man, if there were a bunch of awesome character witnesses, that you had just like treated great, that like you so misunderstood, like I feel like we'd hear from those guys.

And it's been about 15 years now for Reed since he was like really 10 years, whatever, since he was like really kind of in the spotlight. And it's just you don't hear anything good. And that's really, really rare, you know? Like a really rare. I could point to probably almost everybody that was probably in that room last night and be like, man, here's a bunch of stories of like,

those guys just being like a totally normal person. And I could point to a bunch of fucking stories that are off the record where it's like, yeah, this guy that you think is unhinged is way more unhinged than you probably think he is. And it's just, it's so funny to me that these people are just like, no, no, no, no, like you have to take me seriously. I can't believe, I cannot believe that people would say these things about me.

It's like, go away. It kind of reminds me of the fuck away. Just go the fuck away. You'll find somebody out on tour that doesn't like me, that doesn't think I'm a good guy. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I'll give you a million bucks. That's it.

Give you a million bucks. That's kind of how Reed, Reed actually, action operates too. Please sign of the cross. Please, please keep it away from me, please. I mean, so all right, so who, if and when this does go to discovery, assuming it doesn't get thrown out for being frivolous as hell, because it should,

but if it doesn't, if this goes to discovery, because Reed used to employ, or he hired the guy that represented VJ in his suit against the tour. That was his previous lawyer. So he went from somebody who was highly, highly, highly successful at litigating this stuff, to someone who's like, I don't even think he rises to the level of like being a joke.

And so at that point, like, like, what, what is he looking to get out of it? Does he want the tour to have to release his disciplinary record? Does he want the tour to have to release other players disciplinary records? Like, what is he, what is, what is he and his partner, you know, the other side of the duo, Lady J, like what are they after? I think it's true, true, true delusion. Like I think it's just such a insane,

like this must be the only lawyer that would take the case, right? Like that's the only explanation for any of this. So you know one would ever take any of this seriously. It's a lot of Morgan and Morgan. He's what it was. It's just called forward one paint. Your boys. It's that's where I like I can't even I get very funded to laugh about it with you guys. And I can't even I can't handle this one.

I think this is one too many's one too many for this year. I think this was one that that felt like a, like I was saying, you just, there's so much bad stuff that's just like, oh, God, now we got to like think about what it all means. And we got to take this seriously. And this was this was the one and I'm happy to be, you know, have it to be proven wrong on this. And maybe this will, you know, be taken very very seriously by a court of law

And maybe this will absolutely go to trial and maybe Patrick Reed will definitely Get $750 million from Brandt L. Chambley and golf channel or more, but for the time being I'm really pumped to just just laugh this one and just be like, you know what guys? Let's take a breather We got a lot of serious shit going on and I just I hope everybody kind of takes a second to realize how fucking funny Have you seen this thing as in black and white as his attorney DC? I would I would advise you to advise these to just stop talking because this is gonna be page This is all opinions. No, it's all opinion. I'm not I'm not reporting any any facts like like I was I was checking like my personal email

Like maybe I got served Have you guys seen the the at the back end edits on Wikipedia like it like it keeps the history of Certain articles the will nights and a lot of you use golf facts making a lot of changes there And then I guess on Reddit people people are claiming that they that they found the read family burner account on Reddit Cougar something It's just some outrageous shit in there too god what a what a sweepstakes man and p going over to the Singapore international series event playing and dropping three spots in the world ranking tough tough break tough hate that tough break but well's tough. I hate that. Tough break. But well, delightful little midweek catch up here. We again did have an interview scheduled for today that got canceled, but I think this

worked out just great that we got a chance to chat about a lot of mayhem and we'll have plenty to talk about the end of the BMW championship this week. I guess last thing, like do you think Augusta, like at this point today, they have to say like, yo dude, like you're not coming. Like we're not on inviting you or just telling you you're not invited. Yeah, I think that would count as on inviting. For sure, yeah, there's no way reads

by the masters next year. If he said if he did though, and then he sued Augusta, oh god. And they didn't, when they didn't let him. I was suggesting, I think Tigers should sue Pat for defamation about that whole apology story. I just, I can't get over the house, man.

Like, like, Bunkie was saying it looked like medieval times. I mean, did you see the bedroom? Which there was like Airbnb pillows in there, though. I didn't know. I looked at the Zillow, but was it like, is that their former house? No, it gets like a third house, is it? I mean, that was the address on the filing.

Gotcha. So maybe all those old pictures are used to be an Airbnb or something. Cause there's like the coffins. I can't imagine what they've done with the place. Since then, I mean, it looks like a fucking sarcophagus. We thought that lived money. Oh gosh. God, they're Oh gosh. They're the best.

They're the content king. True content kings. There was a time, it was a time when he was extremely entertaining golfer and easy to root for. The craziest part though is like DJ, not to counteract your point, but the like the sociopathic weirdest part about it is everybody you talk to as far as like from a sponsor

or like official, like a tour official that's not a rules official basis. He's the most like polite, like soft spoken dude, right? I think he's just like fairly like mostly normal, right? Like I think he just like in a one-on-one, I don't know, I shouldn't even say this because I have barely, barely, barely ever interacted with him one-on-one, I don't know. I shouldn't even say this, because I have barely, barely, barely ever interacted with him one-on-one.

But yeah, what you hear from people is like, oh, he's just kind of like keeps himself and he has his headphones on and he's fairly polite. And whatever, I think it's more the like larger macro decisions that he makes, which I'm guessing are done after consulting with his team. And I think some of those are just where it's like, yo, what?

What are you asking for? What do you want us to do? What are you expecting? Where do we need to be on what day? That's where it starts to get like, yo, you go away, man. You have no thanks. Which, you know, some of the people, credit to some of the people that I referenced earlier

who I'm calling for their jobs, that I think there's a lot of talented, very talented, very like, when Georgia people at the tour are very talented and experienced and deserve their jobs, I think some of the people that he's probably, that his team is probably dealt with, props to them for dealing with them. I think it's just some of these people in positions of leadership that, you know, are put in tough situations and I don't think they're the best people for those positions, but props to them for dealing with P for the last 10 years. And if I may make like two somewhat unfortunately serious points about this lawsuit, one, it's all I think it speaks to everything you were saying about Bryson and last week

and how there was no juice and blah blah blah blah. I think, man, it's genuinely sucks not having Patrick for you to add PJ Torments. Like from a entertainment standpoint, like I wish he was, I wish he was there more because he's a circus and he's got a fucking freak short game that I love watching. there's just endless interesting things and it's much better when he is there. So let's not lose sight of the fact that like it does suck that he's not but you've also lost your privilege to watch him continue. No, you're a chag, you're jagged on your change, you're jagged on your change, you've lost your privileges. Uh, number two, uh, man, he was really freaking good. Yeah. He's he was really freaking good.

He's really, really freaking good. Like when you actually do read some of it spelled out and all the like the wins and the WGCs and the Monday qualifiers and the like young gets to do this and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, it is easy to lose sight of that because he has kind of turned into a cartoon character by his own thinking as well.

Or he did all of it without being like a generational driver of the golf ball, or having big distance, like he did it because he's fucking good, good at playing golf. Savage, yeah. And it was fun to root for it for a time. And then it was like, oh, no, oh, no. Oh no, this is what I signed up for.

I got a retreat, I got a retreat. So the last question for me, I guess just tying a bow on the week or whatever. What, you still feel confident in your plays this week? Sure, why not? Why not? I'm playing New England. Either Cameron Young or San Burns is gonna win this week.

Okay, so I feel good. I feel horrible. I feel horrible as bad as I do every week, but I'm sticking with it. So gentlemen, thank you for the wonderful midweek check-in. We got to head down a joy, some more pro-amp festivities down here in the lobby and create some content, if you will. The Gardner Hydra Pro-amp. That's right. Shout out to our friends at BMW. So thanks everyone for tuning in. We'll see you back here on someday. See if you can whip up a citizen grand jury down there in the lobby.

If you see it, you see it. That That's well that's the craziest part about all this conspiracy it is like the people that like you know all this like Some of this stuff that claim and stands for I bet 60% of the guys on the tour also stand for that for sure You're probably kind of hard to get a hold of to be honest. All right. That's it. we're up, cheers. Be the right club today. Yeah. That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.

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