No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 593: BMW Recap + Our Report on Tiger and Rory's Proposed Changes

Episode Date: August 22, 2022

Patrick Cantlay wins the BMW Championship for the second consecutive year while Scottie Scheffler will take the top starting spot in next week's Tour Championship. We dive into Cantlay's week, the course, Rory's unique fan interaction, who's trending heading to East Lake, and more from our experience in Delaware.  Then, a full debrief on our report from earlier today (45:00) https://nolayingup.com/blog/rory-tiger-top-players-agree-on-vision-for-pga-tour-changes concerning the proposed changes to the PGA Tour schedule and structure - spearheaded by Tiger and Rory - which would create more opportunities for the top players to play in more concentrated numbers during the year.   If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY), 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/MI/NJ/PA/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXTSTEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/NH), 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 1-877-770-STOP (7867) (LA), visit OPGR.org (OR), call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA). 21+ (18+ NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/LA/MI/NJ/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. N/A in OR, NH, or NY. Risk free bet paid out in the form of non-withdrawable free bet token, max. $1,000. Min. $5 deposit. New customers only. Eligibility restrictions apply. See draftkings.com/sportsbook for full terms and conditions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Lang Up Podcast, also known as the Big J Journalism Podcast now, if you will. Sully here, TC is here in the KILL's Hello TC. Greetings, Sully.

Glad to be back in Florida. I got that's Woodward and Bernstein is calling in on the line DJ Pies here. Hello DJ pie. Hey guys, happy to be with you. Thanks for having me on the program. We're going to have a lot of stuff to discuss tonight. First up, they were work. Can you got I'm just going to throw this question out there, which brand do you think had

the most putters in play at the BMW championship? I think it was got I got one guess. Okay. What is it? Honestly, I think a lot of other people would guess something else, but you're exactly right. It is Odyssey. Great. Not a lot of people think this way, but it continues a pretty significant trend as Odyssey

was the putter brand played most often at every single major on every single tour this year and last year for that matter. So whether it's the classic insert in the White Hot OG, the shape of the Odyssey 11 or other progressive mallets or the super clean,ed look and feel of the two long line. There's something for everyone. TC has all of those and more currently in his back. I was gonna say it's the leading, the leading putter category in, you know, on Torres sauce or in any, in any NLU event just because I have three or four of my

bag at any given time. My Odyssey O work seven got a feature on golf WRX this week, which I think they were kind of congratulations mocking me more so than anything. Which also we got a lot of messages on the Instagram. When I went out with Stephen Cox, he brought an Odyssey out and people were like, oh my god, did Salia replace his putter and said, no, not just the loan. No, no, no, we're all good.

So take a look at Odyssey, the number one putter on tour at Odyssey Golf.com. That's Odyssey, the number one putter on tour at Odyssey Golf.com. That's Odyssey, the number one putter on tour at Odyssey Golf.com. BMW championship week TC and I were on site this past week as well with KC who is a member of our team who has not been a guest on our podcast. He works more on the merchandise side, but three of us were out there for the majority of this week flew back today to watch the final round, but ended up spending most of our time on phone calls today figuring out some reporting, which we'll get into the back half, which is. Which thanks to American Airlines as well. Thank you, TC, for thanking you. Timely arrivals both to and fro Philadelphia, which is a shitty airport. It's like a glorified bus station.

It was not good. We can get down the chapter off. Patrick Cantley wins his eighth tour event. Again in line with a lot of what we'll talk about on the back half of this. Not bad timing for a key player like this to be in line for a very big potential payday on the FedEx Cup, but I think given the leaderboard, it's probably a little bit of a disappointment for fans in the tour alike, right? I agree, but I also hate to over dramatize every week

on the PGA tour, but it also could be pretty, you know, the more that these guys that are influential in the shaping, the future shaping of the PGA tour, the better they do cash-wise at the end of this FedEx cup, the more likely that there's some strength that accumulates around the PGA tour, I would say. So in that regard for the sustainability of the PGA tour, might be a very good thing for golf fans.

Which, yeah, can't lay sounds like he asks a lot of questions. So it's less questions for him to ask. Professional question asker, Scott Stallings made an incredible run honestly all week. I looked it up. I thought it had been more recent than he'd won a PGA tour event. 2014 was his most recent win. He's been playing some serious, serious golf this year as well.

Yeah, really since, I mean, colonial, Charles Schraub challenge, T4, T8 at the Travelers, T4 at the John Deere, top 10 at the Rocket Mortgage and then T13 at Wyndham and then this week. So yeah, it seems like he's just found a, like a mid-career Renaissance. He's hitting the shit out of the ball like ball striking. Ions are back in a big way.

It's good to see he's a quality guy. I really like Scott. Yeah, he's, you know, he's, I'm not going to say necessarily a fan favorite, but we can, we can definitively say he's a great dude to hang with, great dude to chat with and somebody that I think we all kind of quietly and privately, uh, privately root for it. But I feel like you guys, you know, I can't really weigh in for again, we're going to talk a lot about the, the report on the back nine, I, or on the backside of this podcast,

I did not watch a lot of golf today. I feel like you're really not given the fourth ranked player in the world. I know. He's due. I met you calling so I was like, I went too fast past. Yeah, it kind of stood for it over him. Can't wait to play in. I, nobody, you know, I wouldn't call myself the biggest cant lay fan in the world. I certainly don't mind him. He just doesn't, I guess, do a ton for me, but some plans. I'm good golf, man, going back to the heritage. Second, Mr. Cutter, the PGA, which of course we can, we can talk about as part of a larger

theme. T3, Memorial T14 at the US Open T13 at the travelers T four at the Scottish T eight at the open T two at rocket mortgage and then kind of a weird 57th last week at a St. Jude which is actually a place I would think he would play pretty well, but Yeah, I mean and a win this week defending his Defending his title so it's I can't add a lot to the conversation. I don't really know what there is to say other than, you know, very good, very good, very good. Glad he's out there doing it.

Glad he's out there doing it. I do think, you know, as we're going to allude to this, I don't know, 700 times before we actually talk about it. But if the tour is headed towards more of a kind of stars only, you know, almost like the haves the have knots sort of of system. I mean, it only gets more interesting as as can't lay racks at more wins, right? Like I don't I think he's good when he gets in the press room. I think he had kind of a almost like a little dalliance with, uh,

with being a media favorite there for a couple of weeks last year when he was given some really good press conferences. And you know, I think he's kind of one of those guys that you're only going to really seek him out. Like if he's winning think he's kind of one of those guys that you're only gonna really seek him out, like if he's winning and he's kind of like kicking the door down. So I'm a fan of having him around, you know, more, more can't lay in our lives. I do think is a good thing.

That said, I can't say that it particularly moves me to see this victory, but, you know, I just, I don't wanna give him short shrift either here. He doesn't spark emotion, right? But I, he does, he must win a lot because I feel like I say this a lot. Hey, if you want to get to know, can't like go back to our podcast interview with him

because he's, I don't want to say surprisingly insightful. A lot of ideas. It's well known. He's a very thoughtful person. He has been extremely involved in a lot of the other stuff going on with the PJ tour and has voiced many opinions as I understand throughout this entire process.

And at the same time, like somebody that also carries another guy with him when it comes to commitment to the PJ tour and that's Andrew Schoffley. I think he damn near made that part on the 72nd hole, which was impressive. We got to talk about the balance on 17. Yeah. The only reason we're sitting here talking about him winning this tournament or likely only reason is a ball that. So first of all, what was interesting about Wilmington all week was,

if you hit a ball offline, like even remotely offline, it wasn't gonna stop until it got some, or you didn't want it to be. They had a tornado a few years ago, I guess, and cleared out a lot of trees, especially in this kind of one corridor on the back nine. And it was very firm to where, you know, there's plenty of air flow,

plenty of grass going all like big big rough Right close to the the fairway, but then as soon as you got off of it and it was trampled down It the ball would run like you said for 60 yards But like if you hit a ball like just a little off the fairway It was net not gonna get I that's the only good bounce. I saw outside the fair like in the thick stuff Yeah to bounce on the down slope into a bunker, over the bunker into the fairway, and to go on to make birdie from there. That was about as good of a break

as he could have realistically expected. I think I need to go back and listen to the pod we did last year after he beat Bryson in the epic playoff at Kays Valley. Cause I mean, cause he's gone back to back at the BMWs. To go back to back anywhere, it's pretty impressive considering the extra media you have to do and just kind of the expectations inherent in everything.

But 68, 68, 65, 69. So I mean, four rounds in the 60s, same thing with stallings. But yeah, just rock solid today. It didn't really, I think it was 200 on the back nine coming in. Obviously had a good bounce there. But fairways, quality ball striking, Potter looks to be in a good place. Like, it just, in those kind of conditions, like the cream is just gonna rise, really. And you just have to play, it's such, such a grind to control your rollout for that long

to play that much chess. When it's firm, the ball is gonna roll off. If you're off line even a little bit and landed in the fairway, it's not gonna stop till it hits rough. And then once you're in the rough, stop in the ball and these greens was nearly impossible. So every time you're hitting from the rough,

your ball's probably gonna end up in a spot on the green that's above the hole, because it's gonna keep rolling to a different spot. And then you get up there and you're putting on firm greens that are glossy, that you are definitely lagging it and not able to take a lot of break out. And when they're that firm and you have the brown spots, the ball just doesn't roll as true.

Like it's not just gliding on the same surface the entire time. So like, doing that on repeat for 72 holes is exhausting. I think it was a great tournament to have two sims because if they were in three sims for this and these conditions, when the guys arrived earlier in the week, I think they thought they were going to tear this place up. And 14 under winning score is a bit of a surprise to me sitting here. Is there anything you guys, so I know you guys were out with Stephen Cox looking at some setup stuff. I'm kind of putting two and two together here and accepting Kays Valley,

I know was kind of a dartboard last year, but the, is there any coincidence to BMW typically having these like firmer setups? I mean, looking back at like Olympia, looking back at some of the other courses they have, it just, it seems like they turn it up for this tournament. And I got to think that's just kind of happenstance. I know it's probably the same PJ tour setup team.

It's not like the Western golf associations out there, like setting up the course differently or something like that. I just, I think it's really interesting that this tournament kind of seems to be the one that, that keeps popping up and they're going back to Olympia next year too, right? I think it's luck. I mean, no rain. It is luck, but at the same time, I think, like, like I have Steven, this exact exact question. I was like, Hey, like, is this coincidence,

or is this something that you guys are actively trying to promote? And he said, well, yeah, like, you know, everybody all year says we want to see firm. We want to see firm. And then it happens. And then some of the players are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You guys, we're going to lose it. I'm in for the other players. Not whoa, whoa, whoa, you guys are on the back. We're going to lose it. I'm in for the other players, not for me. I don't want it to be for me. No, yeah, exactly.

But I do think there's, there's at least within the tour, he kind of intimated that there's more of an emphasis on, hey, this is the playoffs. Let's make it, let's make it more of an elevated, you know, kind of similar to a major, you know, or at least try to get there if the weather cooperates. Now, some years, you're simply not going to get that. But, um, but like, it's, it just hasn't rained there. And they didn't throw a lot of water on the greens. And like, we saw so many wedge shots that, I mean, Rory, we were falling Rory on Friday. He almost like literally landed it in the hole two or three times and the Paul pair they held the green with a wedge.

And it's chips to like the chip. The first bounce on a chip is just like a skid like it's not going to get you know it and watching dudes hit this approach out into 18 on Saturday. It was a front pin. It was super firm. You're hitting way uphill and if you're short on this shot, it ball, the ball rolls 65 yards back to the bottom of the hill. So you had to like take on the very front of the green

because you needed it to hit there and not climb too high that it misses, that it goes above the ridge in the middle. And if you caught the slope, it came right back to like three feet, but you had to hit a spot so tight. And it was wild, like watch guys hit the shot and it's like, oh, that's short, that's short.

But land it right in the front, have it skid and then roll past the pin. Even with wedges in, like you just don't see that on the PJ tour very well. It was, it was an interesting course because it was built in the kind of the, quote unquote, dark ages with, you know, Robert Trun Jones senior, I think in the 60s, Andrew or Keith Foster Kim and, you know, our favorite kind of Jeff Corwin, you know, like, animal kingdom guy. And then Andrew Green came in. There's some crazy slope and a lot of the greens.

Like, the first one we went out to with Steven was at five. Five, yeah. And like, 70% of that green's like not pinnable. Which like in a dryer or a wetter week, they could have. Yeah. It's just like the kind of decisions that they have to be made on a week-to-week basis of like, hey, I of course, you want fast and firm,

and you can't pick out your PIM positions, four months in advance, because you don't know what kind of conditions you're gonna get. But the other thing was, they're really big greens. And so, to the point where a lot of them flow over the sides of ridges or around bunkers, which you don't always see week to week on the PGA tour. And I think it allowed them a lot of creativity and flexibility as far as the setup goes, kind

of the point where they had to risk or they had to kind of take themselves back from tucking too many because there's interesting slopes in the middle of these greens as well. And that was a takeaway. I got to play the program on Wednesday if you didn't get a chance to listen to our midweek pod. And the takeaway was, like chance to listen to our midweek pod. And the takeaway was like tea to green. Is that like my favorite style of course? Absolutely not.

I found it, you know, a little monotonous little doll to have narrow fairways, thick rough and deep bunkers on like framing the fairways. I just that's Robert Trent Jones style. Don't really care for that. Once you get on the greens, it was extremely interesting. Huge greens, big undulating slopes, big themes in them, instead of just random humps and bumps,

it was like, like the back half of five green was, it was brilliant. Like if you bailed out away from the pin to like those left pins, you're gonna have a fast downhill, huge breaking putt, right? It was a true element of risk reward. If you win at that pin and we're able to get it underneath the hole, it's a great birdie look.

And it was like that on repeat. Like every safe shot you took, you're gonna be puttin' from a really tricky spot. I think it's a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, calmly farms, a little better than Medina, I think. Yeah, oh yeah, I put it above the dive. Not as good as Arana McNaught, as good as Olympia. I think that's fair, okay.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's going back to Olympia next year. I think Olympia is going to be fantastic, especially if the weather cooperates again. They're under a little bit of a tough decision as far as next year, I think at Olympia, because they switched the nines, but they didn't have fans out there limp you because they switched the nines, but didn't, like they didn't have fans out there. They switched the nines and they got to do the whole build out, which wasn't a consideration.

Yes, I think they're not, I think they're going to go with what they did last time and just get creative, but it's going to be interesting to watch next year. I don't think they need to do that. I mean, they flip the nines at East Lake and your memories change really quickly. I just don't think people are going to associate it that much to a tournament. It's, it's me three years old by that point, but I don't know enough about it. And then we've got castle pines, I think in 2024. And then, gosh, I think Caves and then Bell Reef, which I'll reserve, don't reserve going on the half of our, a more proud partner BMW.

Who knows where will be in 20, Ed 25 and 26, but I will also say talking to some players out there this week, it was, I don't, I think that the reviews of the course were mixed, but a comment I heard more than once was like, but this fits really well in these playoffs. Like very different than Southwind. So it's not like the three courses are not same style.

So like a certain kind of player can get hot and clean up all the money It's like the type of player that would thrive at Southwind might not necessarily be the same guy that would thrive this week and might not be the same guy that would thrive at East Lake And props to the people of Delaware the Delaware Delawarians, I think sure They they turned out in mass, you know, I know a lot of those people are coming down from Philly as well, but first time a lot of people have been to Delaware this week or at least spent significant time there. And great crowds out there, great energy. They were happy to have the tour in town.

Can I tell you guys something completely random. I went and played golf at Locke LeBel down the road for me in Milwaukee here this week. Did you know there was once a boycott back in the day of the Western open because the players thought they weren't getting paid enough money? Oh my God. I just thought that was an extremely, extremely topical thing on the week of the BWJV chip. And it kind of blew my mind a little bit would encourage, would encourage people to look into that. Alex Smith and the boys just absolutely not having it. It was very interesting. Did not know that.

Are you breaking some news on the tour, the tour player's boycotting the PGA tour? I'm not saying. You know, I'm just saying. Yeah, I just, which on that note, you know what, like that would be a tough one to boycott because that means they're raising too much money

for the Evan Scholar's recommendation. Which, well, I think this was pre-Event Scholar's foundation. This was in like 19, like 13, something like that. Which I will say, we've had the opportunity, the pleasure of kind of helping support that and just getting more eyeballs on it the last few years. And it's been eye-opening to see the impact that that has. I think in my opinion, it's like the best number one

golf-related charity out there, like right there neck and neck with like Yucaton course. It's like seriously changes people's lives, it pays for scholarships, and there's accountability with it. There's all sorts of, it's just so well run. And yeah, I love meeting graduated Evan Scholars, or people that are a lot further along in life because of the pride and support that they give to the organization and know how much it changed lives

again got to play the pro-am and uh... there are almost like the people who went to like a really annoying university but that's actually great yeah exactly uh... in the pro-am uh... uh... got to play there was a video that went up on the beam w golf sports channel about the uh... a woman in the caddy in our group Kayla, who was just a total rock star. She caddy for JR Smith.

So I made maybe they gave him the feature caddy or whatever it was or whoever would be great on camera, but she was just a delight to hang with. And it's one that makes me feel really old doing that kind of thing and hanging with the young caddies, but also just to understand the impact and talk with them. It's, I don't know, a very feel good event if you're there on site. I know a lot of that stuff doesn't always shine through's, I don't know, a very feel good event if you're there on site. I know a lot of that stuff doesn't always shine through on TV, but it's a common theme and experience we've had

from all the BMWs we've been through. Yeah, it's just our first class, build out, first class spectator experience. They take great care of the players, players love it. Host hotel is always good. You also play with the judge. I was asking her after the fact, I just knew I had to pull you away from that conversation.

You did. I was like 15 minutes in. I was like, we got to get on the trap shop. I was asking her just like, hey, why are so many companies headquartered in Delaware or this is kind of their de facto headquarters and just getting into all the legal ramifications of that and the opportunities that it affords as far as being able to bring

stuff to trial quickly, expeditiously, and just kind of, they're set up for that there. Plus there's all sorts of tax reasons and everything, but it was very interesting in the context of all the ongoing and pending litigation within the golf world. Back to the birdies and bogies, I just again want to point out how numb we've quickly gotten to Scotty Shephalard being. You know what? I'll tell you two words out of my mouth. Next week might be a total snooze fest. Yeah. Of giving that guy a two-shot lead to start the week is he just seems like he shoots 67 every day. He seems like an absolute front runner that is it could get really boring next week, I think. I'm ready to declare that the ROM has passed

on the torch and the new buoy is Sheffler. You just can't think of me. Never gets out of contention. It seems like ROM has not had a very good year by his own standards. I think we could. Rob, ROM finished two back of Sheffler. Yeah,. But you know what I mean? We followed a hum song. 67 a day to come plummeting back, you know, or flying back out of the water. Free willy style. We thought Ron was gonna kill somebody like on Friday.

On Thursday and Friday, we're like, all right, here comes the puddle throw, kind of thing. And he goes out and shoots 65 or 67 on the weekend and starts, there's some signs of life there because we were starting to ask the questions, what is going on with John wrong? And is 60, 5.67 without winning technically a Mackenzie Hughes? No, it's, well, it was a part 71 and I don't, you know, Mackenzie Hughes has to be under extremely, extremely difficult windy conditions as well.

Okay. Cool. I just have to ask. Yeah, of course. I appreciate asking the question. Shout out to KH Lee. He shot 65 today. I think low round of the day. I think he finished like one outside the number last year to get into East Lake.

So he shot the low round of the day. Basically, he had to to get into East Lake, which finished 26th. And then court, like it was was just such a style leaderboard, which I think is a good, like, there's 70 guys. I just want to stay on the ROM note. A little harsh on by declaring his year not very good. He's not been bad.

It's just been like below what, definitely below what he did last year, which I think we all pointed out was like, probably unsustainable last year. It's just not been, there's been no standouts of it really. It's just kind of, you know, one to two shots gain, which like, listen, two shots gain

for your whole career, your Hall of Famer, but it just has not had the same impact on this season. So. And then you've got Corey Connors, played really well. T5 for him, he keeps stacking up great finishes, 24th heading into East Lake. Adam Scott, he was outside, way outside top 30 heading into Memphis. He's, he finished 29th in the FedEx Cup heading in T5 for him as well.

And then I can't help but feel like Rory kind of kind of fredded this one away a little bit. It was just a little bit, you know, not sharp in certain areas. He had the triple on Thursday, a little bit, a little bit careless that there. He's gonna finish it as PowerPoint stuff, man. He's got to get all kinds of shit though for this. He's so much homework. Yeah, man. Do you ever try to play golf a week or you got a big meeting coming up? It's impossible. He also birded his last three holes today to kind of rise up a little bit, but I mean, he shot 68 on Thursday with a triple on a par three. A debilitating triple, like he was vibing his face off.

Yeah. And then like Joaquin played well to you. I know I'm going down the board, but like the fucking top 10 was, was, was, was stout. There was no, there was not a single pretender in there. Which again, just to, to be explicit about this, I mean, I know it's a limited field. I know it's, it's the top players, et cetera, but like there's there's a reason why the majors are filled up with, you know, the top of the major leaderboards are filled up with big names, right? It's the firm conditions, man,

are gonna bring them bring them to the yard. That's the way it goes. There's a reason why that should be the goal to replicate in the playoffs. I mean, bigger names, winning these playoff events just makes it bigger and better and more fun to watch and I know that's very obvious, but it's worth shouting at every turn. And it's just really hard to get that this time of year in like human and humid areas, right? Like it just is, you know, it's really not that far from Baltimore with the Delaware and Baltimore last year was just humid as hell and super soft. And they I guess they just it was a luckier year when it comes to rain and they dodge some storms even on, you know, Wednesday and Thursday.

Yeah. And, you know, talking to, talking to some guys that finished or that, they were not inside the top 30 after Friday and kind of asking, I'm like, Hey, like, do you think you would have made, like, I think if this was a full field event, if this was 140, 150 guys, would you, do you think you would have made, like, I think if this was a full field event, if this was 140, 150 guys, would you, do you think you would have made the cut, you know, based on how you play this week? And all of them, two men said, yeah, I do. Like it's, I think like the best players are, are here and there's something to be said

for that. So, watching Cameron Young, I thought Cameron Young was going to finish much higher 7272 on the weekend. He was, we watched him someone Friday, followed him and holy shit. And like I, like I followed him at the US open a little bit and I was blown away, but there's, there was irons. It's, it's insane. Can I say, Tron does not pass this out lightly, but a, a very authentic and audible Jesus after a shot is what, it was the only reaction he had after a T-shot, which like we specifically

sought out his T-shot on three, and like we knew a big crank was coming, he's still just like, Jesus, man, calm down, it's just a Friday. He hits it over this tree that, I mean, it's only like 120 yards off the tee. And cut it around it a little bit. He did, but it was right up against it.

And it was spectacular. And then Matt's Patrick stands up next and just closed one like. Directly into the tree. He did. I mean, this tree is 120 feet tall. And it probably got 80 feet in the tree. It was not close to getting her out.

He did make par. I'm sure he would like us to note that as well. So you have anything to say for a big tone? He plays with you and then he goes out and shoots 77 on Thursday. So there's on Twitter, said it's everybody that asked me about it this week. I had many people coming up to me. What'd you do to big tone?

Only that I could say is remember what happened when Fowdo played with the cat at the Masters in 97 and like Fowdo was you know he was defending Master Champions. Still had game you know whatever coming in like once he saw like what the cat had he kind of had a realization like oh shit like I can't hang with that once Tony saw how many birdies I made from like two fairways over and like having to duck under several different ropes? Probably 50, 600 yards. From, yeah, about 57, probably, yeah, that's back on a couple of holes. Once he saw like where I was making birdies from though, you know, I think you just kind

of couldn't recover after that. It's a bit of a bit of a Norman-Jong situation. You know? That's a deep cut. Norman-Jong back, man. He's fine. No, no, no, no, you can't get it out. You can look, you's a deep cut. You know, get it out of you. You can look you can figure it out.

Uh, yeah, I mean, it takes a while. It's like back up that mountain. I would expect to see big tone. Another, I don't know, four or five years from now. Got to get his feedback under it. I got a, uh, a tremendous just a, a, a very, uh, ego limiting, uh, play better for more. Cowell this week.

That was tough. This was, we're kind of watching a couple groups T off on one and we're standing between the putting green and the first T. And we're sitting there, we have a media badges on and calling them who walks up. I've done multiple hours of podcasts with this guy over the years. And walks up, he's like, hey, are you walking with us today?

He thought we were the honorary observers. And yeah, major big oof there, which I don't think I'm gonna let him live that down, which I get it, you're in the zone. Like, and there's a lot of white men walking around in polos and with beards, but that was, that one stung a little bit. Couple of other guys, I hate going down the FedEx cup

or like the top 30 here, but there's a certain thing to be said about it. We're like, at the going down the FedEx cup or like the top 30 here, but there's a certain thing to be said about it. We're like, at the beginning of the season, you talked to caddies, you talked to players. So many of them have like, this is like their number one goal is to make it to East Lake because it means you're into all the majors. It means like, it's big for it. It means you had a great year and it's the currency of the tour, right?

Of like, you're going to make a shitload of money. It means you made a shitload of money. You had a great year and you're set for next year. Look at Max's posted on Twitter, first time he's ever made Eastlake, which I didn't even realize that. But let's just, I will, I'm going to take a page of TC's book and I will go down the leaderboard

as we preview next week for next week's leaderboard. So we're preemptively going down the leaderboard. Correct. We have Sheffler at 10 under, can't lay at eight, Zalator is at seven, Shoffley six. Burns five. And then came Smith. Rory. Finaus. Staka. M at four. Ram Stollings. JT Young Fitzpatrick at three. Homa Matsiyama. Speed Neiman. Hovelin at two.

More Kawa Horseshal. Hogi. Conner's Harmon at one. K H Lee. JT Poston. Sahath Tagllow. We can talk about that. Adam Scott and Aaron Wise at even par seems about right at the top. I mean, I know struck a one and had a runner up in the playoff And he prized the one that sticks out as you know, I wouldn't put him as a top 10 player this year But that's also what the playoffs are and providing a little bit of volatility But sheffler can't lay Zalatoris, Shoffley Burns which is all a tors will be interesting I mean be able to withdraw the, you know, the physio out there.

That was yesterday, yeah, on Saturday. Yeah, and it was, it was interesting to watch because there's groups playing through and all that and then he bails and then Grilo is just playing by himself. Or a couple of guys that, real quick, I got to watch a decent amount of Zalatorch kind of really for the first time over, you know, nine whole period. And it was honestly a thought I had was like, man, you are just, I mean,

this sticks out on TV as well. Tall slender dude that swings it really damn hard, like really using the body. It's like, man, you just look like a rubber band. Like it's just like a snapping rubber band and didn't even get to the pod to say that before he had heard himself. Not to say like his playing style is unsustainable in any way, but it was just like,

man, how does all this work? Like, how does I really wanted to understand like how he swung the club and whatnot and how he slots it? And I felt like I was learning a lot from his swing and then all of a sudden he's gone to construct. Which also there was that clip of his putting stroke. There was a clip and there was a putt before that

that I saw in person that was, oh no. It's like, I haven't slept in a few nights. Between that and Lukeless putting performance. I've been the adamant that he's freed up on those shorties and he has made a lot of them. Most of them that have mattered this year, but he had a couple of slip-ups this week that I hope don't linger too long.

So. It was tough. I thought he was gonna whip it in that clip. Not gonna get prettier. It's decided that that is his style for hitting the short putts. But tell you who's really freaking good and just so under the radar, air and wise.

Yeah. Like he's just really, really good at golf. He, I mean, his putting was kind of in the look list territory there for a while. He's gone to the broomstick and it's become not a huge weakness for a while there. We had air and wise putting tracking going as a footnote on this podcast. It was that bad, but the broomsticks helped him and he's.

Which on that note, can we just, I mean, Luke List, like he lost, like, what, 7.2 or 8, 8, 8 and a half shots to the field. There's one of the five words in one round. One of the five worst putting rounds in the PGA tour history since they started track. Like the shot, like going through his shot tracker. It was one of the most jarring things I've ever seen. And then he comes back out the next day

and has positive strokes. And he was on the putting green working when we arrived on Friday when we pulled up. I was like, there he is, working on the putting and I must have gotten something figured out. But it's not like you were you were called on Twitter You pointed out I didn't even have the heart to point it out. I was just like man. He's going through some stuff I'm gonna I'm gonna let him work through it, but TC just had to I did a follow I know kidding

And then yeah, take all of us talk to goa because team saw hit the first time I've ever Engaged in the emotional experience that is saw have Tagala and come out the other side not wanting to bury my head into a pillow and scream because he is off to the tour championship baby. That's some great comments afterwards about how nervous he felt, feeling trembling and shaken and it, it, and Zinger had some fired some shots at the, I believe us, the boys for, for Polkad photo how often he says pressure and nerd. I think that was probably the shot.

It's started. I think they go hard on that. Okay. It could have been anyone and pointed towards, yeah, like look at what these guys are experiencing. But it does speak to like East Lake, meaning a whole heck of a lot. You know, East Lake's not always the most exciting tournament and toward championship is, you know, we're all kind of exhausted at this point and don't really, I'm not, not heavily invested in who wins next week, but it is, you know, kind of, I guess you

feel it a lot more on site, just for how much, you know, these guys are working their ass off to make that tournament. Tom Kim didn't make it. I guess I suppose it, it means he can rest up seven straight weeks. He was on. JJ spawn. He did not respond. He's, he was on the bubble coming in. He finished 33rd. Riley Davis. Your guy. Goddamn it. 26 to 35th. Just for the listers, the dope, the old y'all has its Davis Riley T.C. He's tried to implement it in, in, in grain. This in my brain.

It's not going to work. Yeah. It's not going to work. And, uh, president's cup squads, or at least the, the qualifiers. It's, uh, yeah. I think a lot of more people, I like a lot of people think more people are leaving off that team than actually are. Like, it's the, the, the, the qualifiers.

My understanding will get in some of this in the back. F, I think only Cam Smith is the, we know Cam Smith's leaving. So you got Cam, Hadecki, SungJ, Joaquin, Tom Kim, Corey Conner's, Adam Scott, and Mido of the top eight, the automatic qualifiers on the international side. As far as we know, Joaquin is committed to the PJ tour, to the PJ tour. SungJ, all like Mido, those guys are in Hadecki, committed to theGA tour. Every person that we talk to on site in some way, every player has indicated and we're going to get into Hedecki was not in the meeting in the article that we posted tonight.

We can talk a lot about all that, but every indication we've had, again, I want to emphasize this for all the tracker accounts out there that are going to take this as news. You can always pull a Capca, everyone can always pull a Capca, but based on extensive conversations that Hadekimatsi Hama, walking Neiman and Adam Scott and Cameron Young, we can say definitively based on every conversation we've had that those guys are committed to the PGA tour as of this moment. Breaking news.

Amen. Which we can, again, here's another tease. We can get into it later. Shipnok posted a story about seven guys committing to go and when you kind of rattle off all of those names, you add the 22 names that were in the list that we published. The people beyond that is it gets into a little bit

of like, yeah, cool man, territory. Other than Cam Smith, Cam Smith is, is, is it has been and we have, have fully said that a number of times now, that sucks. That's very, very tough. Outside of that, the other six guys, I don't really know who they are, but I, yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to say I'm not worried about it, but it doesn't keep me up quite as much as some of the names that you just rattled off would have been. Before we get off on too many other tangents here, which I know we got a lot to get to, I just want to point out something else.

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I was looking at those presidents cup odds, trying to picture a way that the US could lose this one. I think when I thought a lot more guys were leaving, it was looking a lot more appealing than it, than I think it currently looks. But clean up a couple of things from BMW before we got too far there. More calme, made a 10 today.

I don't know if you guys saw that. He hit chunk two in the water. Which is sick, which is sick, of course. But he's starting to play a lot better golf. before we got too far there. More Cal made a 10 today. I don't know if you guys saw that. He hit chunk two in the water. Which is sick, which is, of course. But he's starting to play a lot better golf. It seems like he was decently in contention for the most part of this week until he made a 10, which listens tough to compete with that.

What are you shooting today? I don't know. I can check that for you if you like, but do you guys see the Patrick pulling it up? The clip of Rory, the remote control ball on Saturday. I did. I did more a cow shop 79, which is why I asked always cool the season would break 80 with a 10. That's what I one of my favorite things at golf. Yeah, so on the 15th green on Saturday, it looked like it looked like a volunteer was had a remote control

golf balls of volunteer. That's what a lot of people are saying. I don't know the details on this. It looked like a volunteer was had a remote control golf ball. Was it a volunteer? That's what a lot of people are saying. I don't know the details on this. I don't know if they ever showed it on TV officially. I think I saw it on Twitter. So I think somebody... But that could have been an ESPN feed or something like that or an international feed or something like that.

Yeah, somebody put a remote control ball rolling around the 15th green, Roy chased it down and then chucked it into the water to the, to the, of course, it happens with, I'm sure the guy waited till the Roy group came by, but of course, it happens to Roy. And then again, yeah, if you, if you didn't listen to our podcast from Wednesday, DJ Pi gave a, got rave reviews of his reading of the, of the Patrick Read brand old lawsuit, which I think is definitely worth your time if you haven't gotten back to that one.

And it's just going to make all the all the impending defamation lawsuits worth it. I was going to say it's been four more days and I haven't gotten any any I haven't gotten served by Larry Clayman or or or Jay is begging for it. So he's begging for it. So he's begging for it. The PGA Tour sent a great meme out on what night was that. They were, of course, several days late. Now, I've gotta say, the tours got so much better at social at recent years that we don't spend a lot of time

on here making fun of our hosts. Although they're back to calling Patty ice. That's not good, but they've gotten so much better and then they just reverted. They got a lot of feeling themselves a little too much with a whatever I don't even know how to describe it, the meme of the woman yelling in the guys year and they did a whole thing about the playoff.

I just gotta say the replies, they gave me a whole life. Just listen, I'm supporting live until this tweet is gone. Like you pushed me to live, I'm over the edge, the replies were freaking incredible. The lead is to lead the channel. You know what? Some people choke in the playoffs, man. Some people just can't handle the pressure.

And that, that VF was going on with the tour. It was truly a billed buckner moment from the tour of social team. I just hate that they took it down. They should have steered it to it. They should have let it go. They're getting a lot of impressions on that. They let it, I mean, it was up for a good 10 hours.

I was up for a long time. And they took it down and that's all over. If it's up for that long, you can't take it down. That's kind of the rule. Like it's part of the historical record at that point. Yeah. Once it's up for 10 minutes, everybody's making fun. You might be able to get away with it.

And sure. It'll just kind of live in screenshots forever, but now it was too long. Also, we got to talk about the speed. Oh, God. Speed was in the mix. He's closing his eyes on the pre-shot. Oh, my God.

I noticed this up close and personal. When he does his little pre-shot routine, which in person, he does that a lot more than they show on TV. As he's getting into the ball and all this stuff, it was to the point where I was like, I don't want to follow. I think we're good. The eyes are closed as he does it. Closing his eyes, and I really noticed this too. It looks like he's just laboring

to take the club back, he like, maniacally blinks on the way back. All this and he's like hitting the ball really freaking good. Like, it's, you know, it's still the pun, like the putting still the issue. It's hard to marry. It really is. And putting it might be decision making too

because that exchange was that Saturday as well between him and Greller. We were out on the course and didn't get to see it live, but just the fifth hole is a ridiculous golf hole to begin with. I'll go ahead and say it's bad golf hole. Five and 12 are both bad golf holes. Five and 12 are bad golf holes. He's in the left bunkers.

He is struggling to get it over the lip. Very much if it hits the hill, it hits the hill situation. Overwater to a left pin, and Greller's just like, basically like dude, no, chip it out, hit it with 15 feet, we'll have a par putt. And he calls him off, says, this one's on me, and Greller gives him, okay, I trust you,

which we know that was a lie. And speed just, it's a two minute exchange, credit to the tour for posting the entire exchange. So that's, that's the compliment to the, they're social. They've done a lot better job with that stuff. He chunks it directly into the water. Like it was just so obvious not to do that. This one's on me, Michael.

This one's on me. Okay, sure go ahead. And he had, he'd start, he'd birdie. What do you say? This is a Tuesday or Wednesday? Yeah. I get it for like a Tuesday or Wednesday, but you know, we're in the golf tournament right now. He was two under through four. He was in contention at that point.

Makes double goes in birdies six, but then bogeys seven eight and nine to go. Has like a short like a four footer that horseshoes around. It's bits back at him. It's it's like it's almost becoming like the the short putts are he's expecting these to happen at some point. He's laboring a lot on the short puts to like puts that, um, you know, I, you just see guys step up and knock in with a quick read. He's just does not look very sure of himself and they're not going in the middle when they go in and it's, he's working on it. So I'm practicing putting a lot like it's not a, uh, not like it's a part of his

game that it's been neglected. I'm just amazed at like how hard it all looks for speed and he's in the tour championship. Like it's not it, you know, his floor is just so frickin high, he's so talented that it can look so bad and it's still not bad. Which is why I'm not gonna say anything I regret here. Yes. I just I think I need a little time off. You know, like let's get through this event. President's Cup is very much whatever as has been said. It's all I hope you have a good time watching it. But after that, let's just maybe put the clubs away for a while.

Let's start back fresh, maybe round about like, you know, Coppallua, something like that. I'll be ready for some more speech. But I just, I don't need to be watching this right now. Fair, I think that's fair. It's like a trial separation But it's also one more week. We got one more week It's almost a sabbatical Yeah, you know, I would like to go off and explore some other things over the next couple months

It's I would you know, I would recommend he does the same I just I don't think we need to be grinding out there together watching watching this stuff very much seems like a we were on a break Situation here when he goes on to win next week. Anything else from from BMW? I don't think so. I think you know, we've got some random live slash torillated stuff to price slots in after we talk about the meeting. We got US Am to cover, but I think it's time to. It's time. I just want to give a shout to the folks at BMW, they supported us, I think, all the way back to 2017 at this event at Conway Farms when we shot a program video with John Rom, like, they just put us in a great position

to succeed, like, give us a ton of great access, and it's rare on the PGA tour it really is for us to be set up as well as we have been. I think, like, this week we we were comfortable we were in the right places because they put us in the right places and it allowed us to kind of follow up on a lot of things. It's been the same thing at the rider cup in the past as well. It just it goes yeah the lot of what is you know win into our article and what we're about to talk about here would not have

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what we posted, what's in the article, what happened this week? Layout the facts. What's going on in the world of golf? We are gonna go just the facts and actually a lot of opinion. We posted an article, we're gonna use golf facts for this cover.

Post an article titled Rory Tiger Top Players Agree on Vision for PGA Tour Changes. And we kept kind of our article just just just the facts and I we're going to kind of weave in and out of that right. Some things we think of things we understand from the meeting that didn't really fit into a breaking news article about about it and whatnot. But some very interesting things going on. And I'm wondering if you guys think can are aware or know of the best place to start here. I mean, I think for me the the place to start is I guess actually where I would start is is just the idea that this is a group of tour players coming together to hand a policy, a proposal, an idea, a shot in the dark, whatever

you'd like to call it to the PGA tour rather than the other way around. I think that is massively fascinating to me. And I can't really think of another time in my lifetime, in my time covering golf that has happened. I think traditionally the way this goes is the players say, hey, we're pissed about X. The tour says cool. We're going to work on that. And then the tour comes back and says either, hey, we tried

and there's nothing we can do. Or hey, we came up with this idea. Let's ratify this through the policy board. Yada, yada, yada, everybody's happy. I cannot remember a time when players have met for weeks, months on end, separate from the PJ tour to say, hey, this is what do we really want to do and how are we going to implement it?

And I don't mean for that to come across as some sort of hostile takeover or anything. I think this can get dramatic very quickly. I don't think it's that. I think that there are, you know, if the tour is not in the room, I think they're probably abreast of what's going on in this situation, but I think that's where we start. I mean, that's the most interesting part to me. What do you guys think? I agree. I think there's definitely, it's truly the players saying, hey, this is our

tour. Let's figure out how to make it as good as it can possibly be, invest in our product, possibly make some personal sacrifices when it comes to scheduling and flexibility on that front and put our money where our mouth is. And I think the next place to go from there, is before we get ahead of ourselves, is to talk about who those players are because I don't think I've seen them spelled out,

kind of outside of our reports. All you want me to just go down the list here. Please go right ahead. This is truly going down the leaderboard here. This is really actually going down the official in order of official world golf ranking. We don't want to give preferential treat to anybody. Scotty Schaeffler. These are people in the in the room and we'll talk about this kind of series of meetings

in a second, but these are the people that were in the room at BMW. Scotty Schaeffler, Rory McElroy, Patrick Cantlay, John Rom, Zander Shoffley, Justin Thomas, Colin Moorkawa, Will Zalatoris, Victor Hovelin, Matt Fitzpatrick, Sam Burns, Jordan Speeth, Tony Fienau, Billy Horsel, Cameron Young, Joaquin Neeman, Max Homa, Shane Lowry, Tyrell Hatton, Kevin Kizner, Ricky Fowler, and Tiger Woods, which is a heavy hitting list of players. Basically, everybody from the top 30 except for a couple guys. And I think that's probably where more of our more cynical friends are going to look right away. So maybe we just kind of go there.

Cam, Cam Smith. Also, in the room. Just worth noting that this was a player's only meeting. No agents, no representatives from the PGA tour in the room. Just worth noting that there this was a players only meeting. No agents, no representatives from the PGA tour in the room. The only person that was there that was not a PGA tour member was an outside consultant that was brought in to discuss this as somebody that has been working on this behind the scenes with a lot of the people that organized it, mainly being Roy McElroy and Tiger Woods. And that is it. It was a close meeting.

Players only, no agents, no biases, no, like let's as players talk about this, I believe the outside consultant kind of helped answer a lot of questions about and you know, provides some insight on how sports work in general and the model and all kinds of things that go into it. And it was there as a resource. Yeah, to, you know, again, kind of someone

outside it being important that someone outside the tour was kind of talking to these guys about this. And I'm torn. I know a lot of ways we are going to go with this. I'm torn between like holy shit. Why did it take the players? You know, why do the players have to get together to make a new proposal to the PGA tour and also torn between why did it take the players this long to get together to send a Co a Cogent message to the tour as in this is what we want right because I think you can look at this and say Why why didn't the tour come up with this what have they been doing been sitting on their thumbs but at the same time

It's like PGA tour which has a major flaw and it has been responsible for 200 plus people 200 plus different opinions that with a policy board that is kind of supposed to help filter these things through. And it's been extremely, the players have not been unified in their approach until this moment. And that feels very significant at this time. Absolutely. And I think that takes us to the timeline a little bit of, hey, this. Well, we want to talk about the, just before we skip past, we want to talk about the players that weren't there.

Let's do that. Yeah. Because I think a lot of people are going to look at that. Cam Smith, not there. I don't think to talk about the just before we skip past. We were talking about the players that weren't there. Let's do that. Yeah. Because I think a lot of people are going to look at that. Cam Smith, not there. I don't think that's a surprise. He WD from the tournament and also is going to live. Tommy Fleetwood, not there. Also not qualified for this event if I'm right about that. And he, he shut it down pretty early.

I don't know if he had, he was burned out or he, like, there was something going on personally with Tommy. I don't know if he had a death in the family or something like that, but he he put out a statement a while back just saying, hey, I'm skipping some events here. I've got some stuff going on. Got you. Help me out. Who else was not there?

Hadecki, which I don't want to make any assumptions about this, but the rule that like this, it is not, it is players only. I don't know if it's a language barrier thing between him and Sungjae, that either not being invited or if it was communicated to them to say, hey, we're going to give you kind of the rundown, the proposal. We can talk about this at some time. I don't know that, but I think I would, I'm inclined to believe there is something to that of saying,

like, we're not going to have even interpreters in this meeting. Again, I want to emphasize emphasize if you're just fast forward into this part of the section of the pod, all indications we've gotten from everyone involved in the tour, every player and every agent and everyone we spoke to in this past week, every sponsor, everyone has said that they believe Hadekki to be committed to the PGA tour,

despite not being in this meeting. And that there's some creative things that the tour is looking at doing for and with Hedecki to better reward him for what he brings to the game. Because he's other than Tiger and maybe Rory, he's probably the most valuable player in the world. Yes. And that he has the player support as well to say like, Hey, like this guy is huge to this tour. Like what do we have to do to make sure that he's an integral part of it going forward? So I wouldn't read into that too much.

That's my opinion, and again, this is kind of tricky for us to talk about based on some facts we know and some guts that we're going off of, but that's one that's kind of like, I don't have an answer to that one, but that is the basis of what I think is driving our opinion. I don't know if you guys agree with that. I do. Yeah.

Any other names that not involved that we want to read too far into? I mean, honestly, that kind of takes us to the top 30 in the in the in the world. I mean, Corey Connors would be number 30. He wasn't there. I don't get the massive sense that for sure, they're going to be pissed. I don't get a massive sense that he's he's jumping ship. But I mean, the rest of the guys in the top 30, they weren't there at all live guys. So I mean, I don't know him. Tom Kim, and Tom Kim literally just became a member two weeks ago.

So I, again, this is, this started at the JPM and Manus program. I think it's right back enough to that at that point. So July, Tom, Tom's relatively new on the scene. The only other guy who wasn't born when this started. It was like, it's like sung Jay. It's what we're saying. The same thing though from a language perspective. I don't know if that, if that would be the case, but I really don't know.

And I've not heard any sung Jay to live rumors. I don't think that they would have excluded sung Jay necessarily. I, I, I don't know the answer to that. I don't know if he was at. So there's a, the meeting at the JPMingmanis Pro Am which featured a group of players with that list. We do not currently have, I'm sure it's out there somewhere, but from that meeting expanded to these 22 players. Correct.

Is the timeline. And again, that meeting was on January 3rd. They also met those same players, met with Jay Monahan, July 4th. I'm sorry, did I say January? I meant July 3rd. And they met with Monahan on July 4th, and over the past several weeks,

there's been multiple communications, calls, meetings, whatever you wanna call them, including Rory, including Tiger, including outside people, including the commissioner, I've been led to believe that are talking about this plan, this proposal. There's keeping the commissioner in the loop, and he's basically said, hey, you know, investigate this, move forward, you have my blessing.

This isn't some fucking coup. Yeah, it's not a secret. It's not, yeah, they're not hiding anything from the tour. Tigers not trying to take over as commissioner. That's just not how this went down. I don't know where to go with this. To be places we could go. We can talk about this for like five hours, I'm pretty sure.

Well, I think just bringing some balance to that a little bit, it is interesting to me to talk about why it was done separately from the tour, right? And I don't know how much we want to unpack that, but a lot of this, most of this, all of this is conjecture, I would say. But I mean, to me, looking at this and talking to the people we talk to and, you know, sort of reporting it, I guess, is like the tour is a giant incumbent organization, right? And it's very, very hard for a giant incumbent organization to do crazy, innovative things, especially when you have all of the, you know, I think we talked about a lot of this last week, right?

On, or I guess we've talked about it 30 times now, but you know, when you have to worry about 200 different members, when you have to worry about tax status, when you have to worry about like this, that and the other thing, OWG are all these, you're just become so ingrained to like say, well, that's not going to work. That's not going to work. That's not going to work. That's not going to work. And what it feels like to me is almost the players kind of keeping that out of the room and saying like all right if we're going to do this like how can we do it within the framework that we have and

PJ tour like this is what we want this is kind of our our I don't know. I don't want to say demand, but it doesn't feel Super optional to me right and and like you guys figure out how to make it work. Like yes, it's going to be a pain. Yes, it's going to be a hassle. Yes, there's going to be contracts that are going to have to be figured out and bent over backwards and changed around and the schedule is going to have to look different and all of these things. But I think it's, it's very interesting to just think about how that conversation is different, you know, starting from the place of having the tour in the room and probably saying, like, nope, can't do that,

nope, can't do that, nope, can't do that. And that just kind of feels to me like why they went that path. It's basically taking the excuses away, right? If saying, well, hey, you know, here's why we can't do that. No, we're starting with the big picture and we're gonna work our way back instead of starting with all the little cans

and nose and everything. And if I can say, we've been saying this for many, many, many years. Like, the tour is not working. It is working in a way. Like, it's funneling money to players, right? But the entertainment value has been lacking for a long, long time, right?

And it just got worse, all right? So, something that literally doesn't last forever. It cannot last forever. We've been so confused as to how the money keeps going up while the ratings are going down. The tour is truly just an excellent sales job by the tour, if I may say. And basically now it's coming back to the table.

It'll be like, yo, like the alternative here is like we literally don't have a tour. Like there's not like a option here. There's not like we can just like go keep going the way it is. Sorry, I don't know how to say it. It's like the old pie added, like would you rather have a smaller piece of a bigger pie or the same size pie or, you know, the same size piece

of a pie that doesn't fucking exist anymore? Yeah, the pie might go away. And that's where I think, you know, there's, you know, I point upon learning about this, hearing this top players meeting, if I was kind of going through the thought process, if I'm a rank and file member of the PGA tour, how would I feel about these guys deciding the future of the tour?

When in reality, it's like, yo, you guys got to decide it because you're providing all the value, right? And without you guys and without a model that makes it good for fans and brings in sponsors that you guys bring the money in, I don't get any pie is what you're saying. And especially when those same guys, especially when those same guys have, like, are a lot of them are young guys

that are willing to bet on themselves, that they're gonna be one of those players in that top 50, top 60, top 70. Like, we're like're that's my big thing about how this has been reported so far. It's not a it's not a coup. It's not a power grab. It's not out of greed. It's not these guys trying to to you know turn the turn the PGA tour on its head. It's basically saying what makes the PGA tour great. It is a meritocracy to a certain extent with, let's make it even more of one, right?

Let's use the existing structure here and improve upon the existing structure and do it still as a 501C organization and everything, but there's things that can be improved within this current framework instead of just leaving and starting something brand new. And that's what, sorry, we're not great at going in order, but we haven't even really talked about what it is at the point. So that's a lot of context for some things that some of you probably have no fucking idea of what we're talking about. Tell us what's going on. So this is hard to, because a lot of this is, you know, like we said,

it's basically a letter at this point, right? It's a group of kind of ideas that the players have all, and we should say that coming out of that meeting, they all unanimously, all 22 players who were in that room said, yes, I am in on this plan. Let's do this, which would lead me to believe like, yes, I am in on the PJ tour as well as far as live goes. But what's hard about this is it's not some fleshed out, you know, I kind of use the word proposal

because I don't really know what other words to use. You know, it's, but it's really a set of ideas on how we could, how they could go forward, which of course, as Neil would tell you, the most dangerous thing in the world is an idea. I will say this though, it is a proposal, the infinitesimal, the small details of it are still to be decided, right? It is. And that's what, that's all of what I was prefacing for, is that this, this is, you know, all kind of subject to change. So we can kind of spell it out, but the high level,

high level idea is essentially splitting the events into into into two groups, right? And you have a group of elevated events for which there would be a limited field. We don't know how many players. We don't know if there would be a cut. I don't even really know what the purses would be. It's not we don't know how many players that it is to be determined how many players would be in this, right? It has been reported out there that's going to be 60 global golf posts, SI, fire pit, all said 60. That has not been determined to this point, though. That's important difference here, right? It's an important point in this.

We don't know if they're gonna be cut no cut as well, but the proposal includes setting aside, I believe up to 15 elevated events in the tour calendar between January and August. Which would leave the other events as what we would call, I don't know, on elevated events, small dick events, T.C. No, no, no, no, no, no, they're just normal tour events, right? Like I think that's something to where like one of the big things that's been reported

so far in this is that these existing purses are going to somehow be diminished or reduced or something. That's not the fucking plan. It's got, it's like these are going to exist basically as they exist now, maybe even stronger, and we'll get to some of the scheduling and some of the participation of these primary players. But it all comes back to like the entire concept hinges upon the emphasis on and the agreement of all these top players on, we need to play together in the same events more often.

Everything stems from that. That's the product, right? Which is kind of the, if there is one big concrete key takeaway from this, again, I think it's that the players were unanimous in supporting this, and that the players were unanimous, like what that essentially means is like, I'm cool to build my schedule around these elevated events, right, which like you're saying, TC is just, it's kind of like unheard of, right?

I mean, we have a, in the past, we have, you know, Riviera, Genesis is like, all right, this is an awesome event, but that doesn't mean everybody's gonna play it. There were a ton of guys that would still skip that event, right? And I forget all the numbers, I don't have in front of me, but just the numbers of times that the top 10 are actually outside of the majors,

that the top 10 are all in a field is like minuscule. And just to really kind of... Which to that point, like imagine like an F1 race with like George Russell not racing in it, which not everyone's an F1 fan, but like that literally doesn't happen. Like they get, they get all the top racers are all together all the weekend. And when the, when these guys do all show up in the same field, the, like the ratings, like double or triple, they go way up, which I started interrupting on this, DJ, I, I, I,

I want to work this part in at some point in the conversation to say like, Hey, we've also not liked WGCs. Like, is this guaranteed to be a great idea for fans? I don't know the answer to that. I think it, I think though for the first time among this idea, we all need to be playing at the same time. I think for maybe the first time it is clicked with the players that that this is an entertainment product. And for entertainment purposes, clearly like the numbers speak for themselves when the top players are there, the numbers go way up. We need to do that more often. That's going to help drive the revenue and it's going to be hopefully

more entertaining for fans. A big takeaway for me and all this is the light bulb seems to have finally gone off for the players on that front. And how they have to work together to do it. It's hard to describe how much these guys all act like their own individual corporations. There is not enough, collusions, not the right word. They don't collaborate enough on their plans, their schedules. They don't get in a room and do this and work through this stuff, which is a big problem that I think they have to own at this point. I don't think that's the tourist fault, but that is it.

Well, it's just never how pro golf has been. Like, it's always been a very solitary pursuit. And certain guys have certain preferences. Some guys like to play the week before a major and some guys don't. And like, that's going to be something that they're going to have to work out. That's going to be a stumbling block in this whole thing as well. But, but also like going back to the product thing. If the same guys are teaming it up, you know, 14, 16, 18, 20 times a year including the majors.

And playoffs. Yeah, then you've got more opportunity for rivalries. You've got more opportunity for themes to emerge. It's not just going back to Bryson and Brooks, right? How many times did Bryson and Brooks actually teeed up in the same event over that 12 to 18 months stretch outside of the majors? Yeah. You know?

Yeah. So I think kind of touching on some of the non elevated events. I think what gets interesting about them under this proposal is this idea that they would also have a set number of basically promotion spots. So if you, you know, if you play well in, I, everybody picks on the John Deere classic. So I'm just going to pick on the John Deere classic.

It's so, I'm so bummed about it. It's become like the little stepchild. It's a great tournament. We did it in our own article. Let's, let's just say that you have the John Deere classic, which is a not elevated event. And let's just say that you have the, I don classic, which is a not elevated event. And let's just say that you have the, I don't know, what would be the next elevated event after that?

Maybe Canadian opens right after that. Canadian open is an elevator. Thank you guys. Although I guess it would be in Canadian open with 60 guys. So that probably wouldn't be a good open. So maybe we, maybe we say the memorial is after a year. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

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I think they can kind of do that with the elevated versus non-elevated events, right? So if you're someone like Cam Young a year ago, and you're like, hey man, this guy is, and also like this is where it really starts to spiral and get like glowing brain stuff, but you could do the same thing with the corn fairy tour, right? Like if you are beating people up on the corn fairy tour, let? Like if you are, if you are beating people up on

the corn fairy tour, let's get those people to the PJ tour. If they are beating people up on the PJ tour, let's get those people into these elevated events. Same thing with the DP World Tour. Yeah. Yes. Exactly. Let's just create a path to what this is, which is, which is what it seems like they're working on. And again, all that, the details of that are to be determined. And that's for the PJ tour to work out. That's not on these players. Like all of these considerations are where the PGA tour should have to. They're the experts in that regard. Because it all comes back to how the each tournament contract is written.

Who, you know, who, who has an appetite to pony up more money? Is it do we have, you know, a work day tournament that pops up or something like that? But I think also leveraging, hey, we're not trying to get rid of the history of a lot of these tournaments on the PGA tour. Like the API, I'm sure it would be a, you know, that memorial genesis we've talked about. I'm sure Tori, like those events would seem to be the important ones in this ecosystem as well.

And last thing, Deal, let you go. The actual events, not only have they not been decided on, but I do believe there's, it's not even set in stone that'll be the same events every year. Like there is positive, I believe there to be, there's not been worked out yet, it could be a possibility that they rotate

where some of these elevated events go to help keep sponsors happy and whatnot. Well, and that's what I was gonna say. It's just harping on that continually, continually that like this is a conceptual idea. And I think that's where it's like really hard for, you know, you both want to like whip up support for something like this if you're the players, but you also don't want anybody to get married to anything because like the PJ tour has an almost impossible job like unwinding their current structure

and figuring out how to implement this on a very, very quick timeline, right? To both, like, I'm sure if you told them, like, hey, yeah, you know, after this TV cycle, in seven more years, eight more years, like this is how we want to change. I'm sure that's one conversation, but as it's just like, oh no,

we have existing contracts, we have existing vendors, we have existing all this stuff And like if you don't do it fast enough a bunch of the top players are gonna go to live is a very tough place to be so I don't I don't feel for the PJ tour in that like maybe you could have headed some of this off at the past But I do feel for them as far as like, hey man, here's a letter of here's my here's my righard and yeah I don't know where I'm gonna where you need to find find all green M&Ms, but like that's on you. So, do you do one time I had to go to, CEO was coming to the Ritzers Buckhead.

I had to go to six different specialty organic stores to get six different kinds of maple syrup that he poured down his throat. Like, so this is essentially asking the PC to do that kind of thing. But I did it. Because that was your fucking job. I couldn't find one of them, but I found the other five.

Maybe that's all we're gonna get to. Yeah, maybe there's gonna be some concessions made here. But let's pause for a second. Overall, reaction to this from a pure golf fan perspective. Well, I think you brought up a good point with WGCs. And I've been probably the most critical WGCs of anybody. I think part of that is, I think part of our frustration with WGCs has been their World Golf events.

It won an Akron forever. We had, you know, we've had the match play, which we like. And then the other one, I can't remember what the other one, the HSBC, the HSBC. Yeah. It's like, what about China? Yeah, yeah, but what about China golf tournament? But just very much like, yeah, they were unimaginative and guys, it was kind of like a, you know,

collect the paycheck with the ski mask on. These guys are still competitive by nature. And if you add context around all this and say, Hey, this is, this is essentially, you know, instead of the tour championship, like you're trying to finish, like we're ranking this inside the top 60. Also, this thing kind of already exists to in a very informal, subjective way. There are already kind of our two tours. Well, there's a lot without calling them elevated events, a bad term, because there actually literally are events called elevated events. bad term because there actually literally are

Events called elevated events, but just thinking of like for you as a fan. Did you care more? Let's pretend we're still in the bridge stone era the WGC. Did you care more about who won Bay Hill or the bridge stone like you cared I would care more about Bay Hill Maybe that's just where it falls in the calendar schedule. Yeah, probably but like that event has history. Either of those was like to Tiger win either of them. Sure. But I mean, like it was, it introduced these new tournaments that just didn't have this history that just felt forced, it felt unnatural, whereas like,

part of the reason why I watched PGA tour events that have like a decent amount of history is just there's context to it, right? And now we're talking about taking those tournaments that already have a level of context and they're not always bangers, of course, but like adding better fields and like just more buzz and more excitement about it and limited field and a limited TV window and a limited time you have to pay attention

and more likelihood that we'll have a, you know, Rory winning Bay Hill kind of year like we had that one year, that just the chances of that going way up, that sounds more interesting to me than the current structure. I got it. And the rating, like when the ratings go up and like they have to sell less commercials. That's more time to show more shots from these less players that are in the field. They're not contracts. You know, like, I mean, shit, we were at BMW this week. There were 70 guys in the field. They played in two sums every single day and it was delightful. The flow is so entirely different for the on, you know, in person experience and I know,

most of the go, you know, most golfers watch on TV, compare to how many people are actually on site. But I just think it, again, we're comparing it. It's very, very, very, very important, I think, to remember that what we're talking about currently, like what the current structure of how this past PGA tour season has been played is obsolete and gone like that's not really on the table like there's zero percent chance that they keep the status quo going forward so there will be 23 there is the status quo and that and yes some of these like the unanimous consent from the players was also like

we want to do this for 2023 and and 2023. And it's not feasible to do. But to the point where I think, the tour loves to fall back on, hey, we're, it's a meritocracy, it's competition-based, it's not a closed loop, it's not arbitrary. There's objective metrics, you meet these objective metrics, you get in the boat, right? I think the relegation and the qualification element of this is fascinating, right?

And let's say you're not one of these guys that's in the top 50, your top 60, your top 70, but you're having a huge year and you're playing in all the, you know, in the John Deere classics and the Barakuta and, you know, Sanderson and all those. Like, you were in your cleaning up like you have the opportunity to probably make even more money or be even more successful because those top 60 players or top 70 players aren't playing in those and you're going to get elevated to that the next year. And it's also worth noting that in this proposal and details to be worked out, the players

that are on this upper tier are going to be required slash, you know, recommended whatever it would be to play three of the lower tier events every year. So there's representation from the top guys at these lower tier events to help satisfy sponsors and be able to sell it. And an idea of like way in advance, the tournaments know this and can advertise it. Not Friday before are they going to like announce the field list like it's going to be like, hey, so and so is coming to this tournament this year.

Yeah, and, well, and potentially, like, you know, they could do it where maybe these tournaments, maybe you, you've slot in a different one every year or different couple every year where you give, you know, you give Minneapolis a turn, you give Detroit a turn, you give Greensboro a turn, that sort of thing. I think there's something compelling about that as well.

I think the other thing is all this is potentially being done in conjunction with these guys not having to play a year round schedule and having like a legitimate offseason to where if they want to not play, they don't have to play. They don't have to feel like they're being lapped in the FedEx cup standings because they're hanging up the clubs for two months and working on their swing or getting married or having a baby. I think from a personal,

like a mental health perspective, I think that's really, really good for these players. I agree totally with everything you guys have said. I think it's a little it's a little weird like we we talk about Genesis as probably like the natural obvious example of one of these events that would that would seem like it would fit right yeah. It's weird that the once LA open turns into like a closed system kind of event. I think there's just kind of a price to be paid for for some of that. I think one of, you know, all of our favorite golf memories ever now will be max winning

the the Genesis and like would he have been in the field if he, you know, if he was, if this system was in place, who knows? And I so I guess all of that is a long way of saying like I hope they get the kind of the volatility right. Yeah. Right. Like I hope they're getting the right guys into these fields, the guys who, you know, I know you're always going to have this statistical anomalies and I frankly the stallings is of the world who who go miss five cuts and then go win on tour the next week. I for for that model. This wouldn't be great for for someone like that. But I think if they get the volatility right and they get the relegation and the promotion and all that stuff right,

it, I don't know, it has a promise to be at least as compelling as what we have now and slash like exist. Yeah, it's certainly not going to be any worse. The best players are probably going to be compensated better. They're going to feel like they have more of a say. I think it's good for the international players, personally, where like if you if you do want to go back and play, you know, you want to go play some Euro tour events like the, you know, uh, Tp World Tour finals. Yeah. Like the finals or you want to go play the Australian Open or something like that. You can do it. Not have to worry about about being lapped or or about you know missing out on something And it's just something to to wear like like you know

I think it makes the tour like you still have I mean DJ to an extent the genesis is already Totally it's already limited right yeah, no for sure, you know It's like you're basically cutting 50 guys out of it right which? Which like it being at the BMW this past week, it was 70 person field It could have lived off 50, right? And you can't do that every way. It's going to 50 next year. Yeah, I just don't I don't want I don't I think and this is my opinion only and I haven't really fully thought it out and and all the downstream effect of that 80 sounds like a nice number to me and you could do a cut down to 50 maybe players after maybe 60, after two rounds.

Just kind of a minimal cut off the bottom that are the dudes that are 11 over par that are just making everyone arrive a lot earlier, making the TV come out earlier, making it cost a lot of money, the networks, that no one's watching. Cut them out for the weekend. So it's a small cut, but it is a cut

and have 60 guys play the weekend. Maybe it's even a little less than that. And playoff, you know, you're not sending too many stars home and that model. And 80 still gives a good amount of spots to guys to be able to qualify. And you know, there's number 81 on that list is not, you know, is not necessarily being down the door for PGA Tour start. I don't think like you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna, you play good good job. You got to draw one somewhere. If you're gonna play good golf, you're gonna make it to this stage no matter what. Yeah, and I think they should do,

like they should look long and hard at doing, making at least a few of these international events as well. Like I think it's a no-brainer to do VMW PGA, it went worth, or something, do buy, or Abu Dhabi, or something, you know, Scottish, I know that's an open, or, you know, even looking farther afield, like the, you know, Scottish, I know that's an open or, you know, even looking farther afield like the, you know, change the data of the Zozo or the CJ Cup or, you know, do something in Australia, something like that. But I think the downstream effects as well of

for the corn fairy tour or for getting these younger guys, these up and coming guys in the ecosystem earlier, it seems like it would be beneficial. It would give you the opportunity to get these guys on the PGA tour quicker, right? If you have this, these, you know, kind of the elite of the elite players playing amongst themselves, and then that's more spots to give to some of these very promising guys just out of college or even in college to get them in the ecosystem, get them kind of competitive reps, you know, the Psaahes of the world and get them in there early and then they hit the ground running and you know, it's not like a closed loop kind of like it is now where they have to wait, you know,

a whole other year and a half if they don't have any status fee, a corn failure, whatever. And just to put a little finer point on that too, Tron, I think like, you know, you look back at some of the like best finishes we've, we've had this year and even look back at like last week in the playoff with Zalatoris. And, you know, if you're having these top players going theoretically, going head to head more often, you have fewer players, which has a higher likelihood of, you know, the best guys kind of going toe to toe. I feel like you're just creating more and more and more of these moments that are going

to want those young, like those young guys are going to want to be a part of. And not that sound like a cheesdick,, but the money is only so valuable, right? And I know people keep saying that about the open or about the zaltore finish last week of like, man, how could you ever wanna be a part of it? How could that not be where you wanna be? How could you take any amount of money to not be part of that?

I think they're keeping that, toughening that up and also adding a lot more money as well So I at the end of the day. I do think it's like a pretty good combat to live While also not you know go into a team thing while not go into a shotgun start thing Well, not going to a 54 whole thing while not you know kind of turning it into like more of a party not, you know, kind of turning it into like more of a party gimmick type of vibe. Like it's still, it's still competitive PJ tour golf with the best players competing the same way they've always competed. It just feels like an evolution of, of the product. And it's not, it's, it's not comparable to

live to your point. Like it's not like they're not copying the live model. They're not, I've saw several comments that were, you know, saying, you know, basically, it's all it sounds sounding more and more like live, which they, they, they've vowed they weren't. No, it's not, that's not at all what's happening. And I think we made this point earlier in the week, but I think it's worth re-emphasizing of these guys have dealt with a bleeding tour for the last, basically since February, when all of this was, you know, the names were starting to leak out of who was going to be going.

Skydyshevler, John Rom, Roy McAroy, Justin Thomas, Jordan Speeth, all these guides that have been committed to the tour the whole time, I've only heard bad news. They've only heard like where they plan to play their professional golf. They've only heard of guys leaving that. They've not, you know, they have some private conversations, but I've been stunned at how little these guys have talked to each other about their plans, about, you know, their commitment level to each other. And that's where you drive your value. Like you guys competing together is where the value of professional golf exists at the highest level. And for the first

time, they met this week and reaffirmed each other and their, their commitment towards playing golf together. And on top of that, how can they do it better? How can they restructure it so it works in a better way? So not only have they, I believe, stop the bleeding to live. Like I don't, I will be stunned based on everyone we've talked to that if any of those 22 players in that room end up going to live, I don't think it's 100% guarantee, but I'll be stunned if any of them go in the near future. If these changes are put into place.

Correct. Which again, it's worth being a complete, a long way to know. Yeah. cynical, contrarian here, like this is a set of ideas on a, you know, piece of no past. Which that's. Basically, like this is not a real thing yet.

Just let's, let's temper expectations until it actually happens. Yeah, Dejan, I think that's an important point in that, you know, hey, I don't know what the, like I don't know, the, like, I don't know. And I don't think the players know either. I don't know how many people actually know what the mechanisms by which this would get

ratified. Is it a pack vote? Is it a full membership vote? Is it, you know what, the pack brings it to the board of directors and the board of directors votes on it and they've only got a couple players on it. Like how does that work? Because then also it could set the stage for other evolution and change as well,

where if this gets kind of pushed through, then there's the concept of, all right, cool. Like what else can we do? Like as far as the product, as far as different formats, as far as priority product as far as different formats as far as priority, you know, lists and rankings and everything because there's like, you know, as it stands right now, the tour is so it's so stuck in their ways to like

you can't even you can't even propose at headquarters, you know, shrinking the field size for the players or taking the Shriners to like a reasonable field size after, after daylight savings time. Like, so you can actually finish the field and it's all predicated on. But, you know, like, like, hopefully it's, it's evident to the rank and file guys that like, this isn't the status quo remains the status quo regardless of if we take this or not it's like no like there is no more status quo man. And if you a important thing again extremely important in all of this is a it's long been theorized

and we have said this so many times like the number one 10 guy I'll just pull a random number number one 10 has held way too much power with a PGA tour and there's's going to be a lot of people out there. They're going to ride really hard for, you know, the journeyman players and there might be some journeyman. James Hans going to hate this, of course. He's hated everything. But there's going to be a lot of people that ride for that. And it just the only reason it makes sense for that person to have so much power is because that's how it's existed in the past. If you started a tour now, there's no fucking way. It would look anything like it currently looks, and there's no, like the, I guarantee you,

this is just my opinion, this is not coming from a tour source, but I guarantee you, like Monahan is sick of having to deal with like having to cater the league around the people that don't bring value because they far outnumber the people that do bring value. And that, for the first time, we know of the players are taking control

specifically of that to say like, hey dudes, you've had your run for a really long time. You're still gonna do great under this. Don't panic. We have like listen all the way to the details of this of how you're probably gonna do way better under this scenario. And we're all gonna do better, but we have to figure out a way to take the control back amongst the most valuable players. Which, you know, it sounds like I think two important points there as well is like the 501c6 thing is not going away. Like they're not that's that's not on the table here. There's not there like that's a bitch to unwind and that doesn't mean they're not going to set up like I guess there was something today about the indoor thing that Tiger and

Rory have been working on as well. I think Aiman reported that. And you know, very like there's other opportunities, there's those ideas out there as far as setting up for profit stuff within the kind of PGA tour ecosystem or structure or whatever. But the important thing is, like this is still a member organization. It's just like the members that, I don't know, I just, I got mad when I read the assertion or the framing of this as some sort of coup, power play based in greed. Like this is, it's tiger woods in Rory McElroy, basically saying,

like guys, like this is not the game, but like our professional league is dying on the vine here. Our demographics old as fuck. No one's watching rating stink. The product stinks like they are these direct quotes. He's they openly like they openly make fun of their own product. I like at least at least some of the guys that we talk to at all levels of the tour, right?

And at some point, it's like, why are we accepting mediocrity, why don't we change this? And yeah, like maybe, yes, of course it is, them asserting a little bit more influence, a little bit more power over what happens to the tour, but personally, I think they've owned that, right? And have earned that right over the last 20, 30 years, entire case, Rory's case over the last decade.

And I think most, most players would agree with that. And I think pretty much every fan would agree with that as well, right? Yeah. And I'll say it's the 20th time too. Like again, the option isn't like to keep it as it is. I'm just, well, I'm just gonna randomly pull up the money list and I'm gonna select number 100. I'm gonna pretend that he's complaining about this.

Steven Yeager, who would not complain about it. He's a delightful, and I love Steven Yeager. $1.3 million this year at PGA Tour earnings. So doing quite well off of playing on the PGA Tour, I would say. And not counting anything that he's gonna make. On top of that, from the FedEx Cup bonus that he's gonna get, and stuff that from the FedEx cup bonus that he's gonna get. And stuff that's in his retirement account from this year.

Correct, there's not a renewal option for this. That's not a continuing, you know, you don't have a player option to extend the contract one more year. It is the situation has changed drastically and things need to change and it's going to. And like, do you think that Journey Man guy has any recourse on live?

Like, like, like, like, let's say James Hahn gets called up, you know, Matt Jones is probably a perfect example. Like, how long till Matt Jones gets booted from live if they get some shiny new object? And it's like, all right, cool man, like, we're done with you. We're gonna throw you over in the trash heap and like, you have nowhere to go now, right? It's just, it's like, you know, I think these guys still have a hell of a lot more power and recourse and it's not like they're being thrown in the trash heap.

They're still playing on the PGA tour. Yeah. It's, you know, these, these 12, 14, 18 events, whatever it is, like they exist in some former fashion now. And it, like, you have the invitations, you have the elevated events right now, it's just tweaking the percentages and tweaking kind of, you know, hey, the, the different tiers. I'm already fascinated at kind of the, the palace intrigue of like what gets elevated, what doesn't, I think there's a lot of fodder

for a wild speculation around there. Does the players become a limited field event. I think that is fucking fascinating in itself. Yeah, I've just a the last couple, you know, weeks, months, honestly years at this point have been pretty bleak. And for whatever reason today, as a, and I don't say this as a PJ tour dick rider, although happy to be a card-caring member, I say this as a fan of golf and what we watch every week, this is, I think the first time I think we've had

some optimism in quite a while, as far as what I actually am looking forward to watching. And a variety of different things going back and forth from week to week between, you know, the best and event can be and kind of intriguing journeyman fighting it out. Like it kind of just feels like it takes a lot of shit that's caught in the middle and kind of optimizes both ends of it. You know what I mean? And that's pretty exciting. It just makes it clean for the fans, right? Of, hey, you know who the good players are, which is for a casual fan is tough.

Like, I mean, and then, I think there's other, like, there's other little dubbies as well, like judge, our Alpha, Judge Freeman friend. She called the live lawsuit ambitious. Yeah. Which broke this week, which I thought was enormous. Which I think is enormous again to retaining players. Like now again, this is news that broke this week

that the trial, the, the Michelson at all versus the PGA tour. Why I forget exactly how it's described. Couple players have already dropped out of that. I know Paparrez has dropped off. And I think Carlos Ortiz dropped out of that as well. I saw that reported. I don't know if that's official, but anyways, that trial is set for 17 months from now.

So I believe, and I don't want to speak out of my ass, that I believe that means none of those guys will be playing PGA Tour events for 17 months. So, Kischer, official World Golf rankings, goodbye unless you rack up a bunch of T31s in Asian tour events. And so that is another reason to be like, okay, again, a lot of these guys were lured by as Greg Norman's text to Sergio Garcia, you know, sharky, sharky, pro claim to say they

can't suspend you. They're lured by this assurance that they would not get suspended by the PGA tour. Well, now we know that these guys have gotten suspended. And now we know at the earliest, this ambitious trial starts in January of 2024. Gosh, I got to think that's a great, that's great news for the PGA tour. That's another just again, I don't know if that is contributed to the commitment that some of the rumor names have shown towards the PGA tour, but I have to think that's a pretty big factor. I saw the Wall Street Journal got a hold of a live contract.

I think some of it was redacted, right? But some of the big things that came through on it were like the agreement to where live apparel. And it's worth noting that these are, I think they have two contracts. I think it was Gucci and Swofford, but the bunch of redacted stuff in it. But the contracts are different and it's, I don't think it's necessarily all live players have to wait. Just as you, as you filter through that information, if you do read that article, which I think you should, just note that I don't think that this representative of everyone's

offered just because they all got varying offers. But, but there's some interesting little, you know, kind of nuggets in there of like recruiting other players. You have to get interviews approved. At least some of them do and then cash bonuses for major wins as well. I saw Poole's are complaining on the DP World Tour today. He sent out a tweet basically saying, you know, I really enjoyed the D plus D real check masters, which is actually a 54-old fan. I double-team real check. It sounds like a freaking porn film, to be honest. But he was complaining about not being able to post videos.

I guess they'd crack down or I'm sure they're enforcing their regulations more than ever on that kind of. I hope some of these dickheads, Polter chiefly among them, enjoyed a couple good months of like, smarminous here, because I really don't think that the next year is gonna be quite as joyous. Joyous, is a good word. Gooch would be another one.

That is just like, man, I hope you enjoy the dough, dude, as like all of your friends and peers are sitting in this room with Tiger and Rory plotting like how to overhaul the PJ tour, you know, and and making probably slightly less money, yes, but probably somewhat close over the over the long term. I hope you really enjoy and plan for the four aces or the fucking ironheads or whatever team you're on. That's going to be really cool. I hope the driving range music. That's going to be,

that's going to be a total game changer, man. I hope playing in the programs with like fans inside the ropes, that's going to be really fun for you for the next X number of years. It's just, it's going to be really cool stuff. Also, I think it's important to work like, it's worth noting as well. Tiger didn't like lecture these guys or berate them or say like, I built this and you're messing it up. Like I don't think, that's just not the sense that I've got.

No, if you can't tell, we had extensive, extensive, extensive conversations with many, many people about this this week. Like I didn't, you know, the consensus among the guys was to not really share information with the media, did not really get out to a lot of places,

and I wasn't until some information leaked that I don't consider to be very accurate, I don't doubt the sources of that information that were shared, that I don't know what the incentive was for if that's a live based thing, or if it's a lower tier guy that wants to get information I don't know what the incentive was for, if that's a live based thing, or if it's a lower tier guy that's, once again information out there.

Yeah, it was just misinformation that was very opposite of what we had heard multiple, multiple times. And I struggled to come up with a number of how many hours we worked on this this week is kind of where I feel extremely good about the information we have. And it's also extremely rare when like the people we talk to at the tour, at the player level, at the agent level, at the broadcast level, we're hearing pre, like we're hearing

alignment. That never ever happens on anything. No, and that I would challenge the players too. I know there's, this is going to be a heavily listened to episode. I would challenge them. Don't forget about, you've taken a lot of power back. Don't forget about the TV product, because it's got to change, right?

If you're talking about taking back the entertainment aspect of golf, you got to hold the feet to the fire of changing this TV product. I could sense it. I know it. I know it for a fact. You're coming around on this entertainment aspect

and what we've been screaming about for four years, but you actually have the power. We just bitch sense it, I know it. I know it for a fact, you're coming around on this entertainment aspect and what we've been screaming about for four years, but you actually have the power. We just bitch about it, but you guys have the power to help change that. And I would challenge them to make sure that that's a priority item. Yeah, and that, I mean shit, that, the app, the venue selection, all of it,

because all that, you know, is the product, right? That's what the PGA tour is. It's the players and the actual tournaments themselves and, you know, how they're covered. So, I'm sorry. Oh, and then we, so there was another guy, I'm not sure who it was, but he was saying that his credential was revoked.

Somebody on Twitter was saying that the, our Carlos Ortiz said it in an interview that a friend of his for reporting on live was suspended 30 days by the PGA tour. Guys, I'm going to shock you with this, but that was total bullshit coming out of Carlos Ortiz's mouth. It's like, I've had run-ins with I have so many issues with how the PGA tour comms operates, does business, their general philosophy on pretty much everything, but like, like, they don't suspect you for porting one after a week.

Yes. Yeah. They don't suspend you. You can, they don't suspend you unless you, they've been a bunch of reporters. They've spent your career at Canada. We have that. Yeah, but they're not going to like, not credential you, right? If you, they don't think you're qualified to, you know, report on it and you're not a trusted

source. Like, yeah, they will say like, yeah, you're not, like, no, I'm not just credential this random person that just decided they are a blogger and a golf media person. Or if you post a bunch of like shit that's like flagrantly breaking the guidelines that you agree to when you receive your credential. Like, yeah, I could see that. And we had the Jason Gore news.

That's right. Jason Gore has been hired by the PGA tour as a, what was the official title? Player consultant or player advisor to the PGA tour, I believe it is. So he's not technically player relations. I'm not sure exactly who he reports to directly, but by all accounts, had done a great job.

The players would say he'd done a great job with his role at the USGA, basically serving as a person that played on many, many tours to help bridge the gap between the perceived pros versus Ames, pros versus Joe's, the Joe's that were setting up the golf course for the pros that at least get the perception among the players was that the those guys had no idea how golf works. I don't know if the same perception is necessarily true about the PGA tour, but as far as I know, there aren't many, if any former PGA tour players that work at, you know, at the high levels of the PGA tour and this changes that or adds another layer there to kind of help some of the connectivity there.

And a guy that, you know, is was firmly in that 75 to 150 camp of bouncing back and forth from the corn fairy tour, like he wasn't, he wouldn't have been in this top tier, right? He was, he was somebody who's the rank and file and, and a grinder and, and, you know, has seen it all. And so I think that's an important point as well. It's like, hey, this is, it seems like a pretty, pretty good guy to kind of identify and, and level with kind of all a lot of different, all different members of the organization. Yeah.

He had a busy first week. I think. Has he even started yet? Yeah, I don't know if he started started, but like he got announced this week, and I think, you know, when some of this information started flowing out there, there was a lot of people of all different levels that I believe he should hit JT with it just and we need to talk. I'm going to tell him about some of my some of my secret spots for being a former employee.

There's a great little secret table up at the fresh market in Ponte Vigia. You could you go hang out. That's a good good spot for some secret meetings. You know, I think trying to know where big fans of the Zoys down in down in Ponte Vigia. There's just all kinds of mix flamingo mix flamingo is a great one. Yeah, I'd be happy to share some key learnings and insights about my time. Well, it sounds like it sounds like the real, the real intel at, you know, beyond the moat there at the global home is where you can take a dump because all the

bathrooms are right next to conference rooms. And this is like two of man. Everybody at the door is like, I know I never want to go to the bathroom Because all the bathroom is right next to all these conference rooms and everybody looks to see who's going to the bathroom And then they don't want they don't want to spend too long in there to get and get judged That's why no no works getting done at tour headquarters Exactly. I was stacked up Sorry, I mean I know that was TMI, but like,

that's the kind of show we hear down here in Ponovidra, Jack's Beach. So. I just kind of flipping through and seeing the basic Twitter reaction and sentiment to, you know, the news and whatnot unsurprisingly, a lot of people in Twitter have major issues with it, probably without even reading past the headline.

But I don't know. I guess maybe just being on site and talking to people in person, it seemed a little, a little different, I guess. I can see myself reading this report and being like, oh, that sounds boring, but this felt, I don't know, it just hit a little different in terms of how excited the players were. Just you, again, the words unanimous round, wrong, very strong in my years in terms of like, it's hard to get these dudes to agree on much of anything and

To be unanimous in this restructuring. I get it. They're all gonna probably make a lot more money out of it It's probably why but yeah, but yeah, just just a Quickly double up on what you're saying there. I Some people might fucking hate this like that is that is totally fine like if if more limited Yeah, yeah as if more limited field events is not your thing and you think, like I totally get that. I just, you know, would again point to your point

that like the other option is kind of like the tour slowly, Dwindles away and dies quickly. Dwindles away. I don't think it's slowly. And also, what would you suggest? Tell me what you would suggest. Keep doing the, okay, no, that's not an option. Like, all right, let's elevate the events, but let's make them 156 players. Like, I can, I get that, but like, it's totally missing the point again of how.

That's like a misallocation of resources. Yes, it's missing the point of how much power the lower level tour guys have. and again, under this model, I still think, based on what we've seen, understood, and spoken people about, these guys should do, if not better, just as good in this new model. Yeah, I think there's also just, I don't think it stops or starts just with the structure of these tournaments, right, of these 12. Again, I can't keep track of how many it is

with the playoff events and all that. But this concept, it's not just limited to that, it's limited to evaluating all aspects of the business and bringing somebody else in with best practices that's done time in NFL or EPL or Formula One or whatever, or outside of golf, because it's not just like, like you're not just competing against other tours or other sports, you're also competing against like,

there's like a million channels, there's TikTok, there's, you know, it's like people are busy, right? And it's like it's trying to get eyeballs, it's trying to get interests and attention and there's different ways to do that now than even two or three years ago when they were working on this current TV deal that runs for another seven years. It's not necessarily where you start, too. I think there's going to be, like, I don't like the PIP, right?

Like, I don't think, you know, the PIP is something where it's kind of antithetical to what the tour is about, right? It's rewarding these guys for stuff off the course. And yeah, there's, I think there's certain things you could probably do with it to reward guys for playing in the right advance or tie it to, hey, if these guys are going to play, you know, add an event here or something like that, you could tie some of that to the pit. But like, I would much rather invest in the product itself and these tournaments and funnel this money through torper through

actual tournament port purses than season long points purses or or you know arbitrary like the pip you know the subject of measure of popularity out there right then then You know like I think it's still up to the players to go out and play well and make this money and Like you know, let's say three or four years in this shit's going really well Those purses for those events are gonna go Are gonna go up that much more and then they can always subsidize some of some of the other events as well Like I don't I don't see the tour contracting With this model, right? Yeah, I think I'm in favor of the pip overall.

I think it is, again, we've talked so much about the players that bring value to the tour and that is like, and I don't pretend to know, I don't swear by the formula they use, I don't pretend to know how it actually works. I think there's probably gonna be tweaks to it. They're, and they've messed up by not having a decky. The fact that the decky was not involved in the PIP,

that means they're not capturing international very well, which I'm hopeful that will change. But I think it is, I don't think there's, again, I don't know how this works from a structure perspective, but adding some contingencies in with taking the money, they left themselves, they seemingly left themselves pretty exposed with like five of the 10 guys from last year

went, took the money and then left anyways. So like, is there a clawback of some way in that money? Is it, you know, yeah, like you said, do you have to go play a certain tournament to earn, you know, half of your money or something like that? But I guess what I'm saying is, is to kind of use that against some of the guys that may raise their hand, you know, the William Gertz of the world that may raise their hand and say, hey, this is unfair and you're playing favorites here. They already are. That's what the PIP is.

In this way, it's totally objective and it's competition-based. It's not just sitting on the sidelines at the end of the year and saying, hey, we like these seven guys and they're doing a good job publicity-wise. Let's give them $50 million. Yeah. I think we're wrapping it up, or at least this section of it. I mean, I think the only other thing we haven't expressly explicitly said here is this

is all golf outside the majors as well. Right. Like, majors aren't going to change. The best tournaments of the year are still not going to change. This is basically trying to come up with a way to to make all the other weeks as good as possible. And that's where I kind of net out as far as, you know, this being a overall very positive thing. But yeah, we'll see. I mean, we'll have a lot of months to unpack

this and see how it unfolds and discuss, you know, possibilities like this, but initial for week one, it seems like I need one to say a good move. I just think it's so necessary, like incredibly necessary. And I'm encouraged by the fact that there's, you know, like I said, some, some agreement and some action to move forward. And I think it, I think it, it's important to that, you know, Jay's been involved in this yet, you know, not like in the meetings leading the conversation. I think that seems to be like an important distinction. And I'm curious

to see how the tour handles it when and if they're when they're proposed with it. I think that's, you know, I don't that's going to be soon if not having already happened. So which that's what I was going to say. I think that, you know, I don't know that we really have too many next steps. We reached out to the tour for comments. We're politely giving a no comment on this. And I think that, I mean, I would have to assume the next will here is going to be Tuesday. Jay does his annual kind of state of the tour press conference at the tour championship. Gotta think he's going to be asked about this specifically.

I don't know if he'll have anything to add. I don't know if he'll, maybe he's been in the loop on this the whole time and kind of has some stuff already working, maybe he's gonna know comment again. It's just gonna be very interesting to kind of see what happens, but I think that's probably our next marker to look for. It's kind of crazy that I assume if he's kind of a seating

to this, it means they haven't been cooking anything else up. And then B, I don't know, I just much prefer this to some of the stuff that they initially proposed of. Yeah, we're going to do these three big dick events in the fall when we're trying to get away from the fall because guys have said we don't want to play in the fall. And we're going to do this half-baked team concept in the fall because guys have said like we don't want to play in the fall. And we're going to do this half-baked team concept in the fall. And it's just like that felt premature, you know, and I'm not sure if the tour wanted to

leak that or not. But I just much prefer this, right? Yeah. I think so. And last, very last thing I'll say on this is like, I think that there's a lot of people that love either public, you know, on Twitter or publicly love to say like they don't like the limited field events because they love so like you love the 100th ranked player that much. I just don't think it's true. I know a lot of you say it. I just don't believe it.

You know what a limited field event is? The masters. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I don't believe it as much. Obviously, then people vote with their remotes like obviously the majority people do not feel this way. So I think it is definitely again time to change. So can we talk about another limited field event? The US Amateur. Yes. It's pretty big field. Yeah, it's like the biggest field of the year. I was thinking of 64. yeah, not the... Yeah, I know, I was just joking. Please, limited in that not every player in the world gets in. There's a lot more amateurs than pros out there too.

Especially limited because they make you play back-to-back days in the qualifier. True. It's not a one day qualifier as I learned in 2019. Ridgewood was awesome. I was blown away. I'm not sure if it was like the parklays or the northern truss or the Deutsche Bank or whatever the tournament they had there It was like there in Plainfield back-to-back a few years back and it was it didn't really stick out on the tour front

But it looks like they've done punny work and just the way that the way that they showcased it It was awesome. They had that short part for that was like the green was just spectacular I don't know it seems like they're kind of getting a little bit more notice for future USDA events, maybe the 2096 US Open. I'm not sure if they can fit them into the road at even at that point, but yeah, I don't know. The USGAs kind of want to roll right now. I thought chambers look great for the US women's am a couple weeks ago. The winner wasn't super thrilled. I thought the Sam Bennett that was not super thrilled.

I believe you wish her to fought to a I did. He look. Yeah. He reminds me of Davos Swinney. But like if you if you if Davos left Clemson and went to go coach Texas and M which is a giant cult allegedly. And like his his pace of play was just egregious. His, his re-gripping that was tough.

He was matting down the rough right behind the ball. I don't know, the whole thing, you know, it was like the pace of play was just fucking horrendous. It was like disrespectful to opponents and stuff. Yeah, it was a cool match today. Ben and Carr both kind of going out at the wave god, Willie Wilcox on the bag. Or guy.

Pretty, pretty indefensible decision. I think I'm on the par five there. What was that? What the fuck was that? Yeah. So Ben had gone OB with his second shot in the par five. And all Carr had to do was like not go OB. He was don't have to go for it.

Two down at the time or yeah. Goes for it hits it OB and ties the hole when he was like basically gifted to him. All you do is make a par and you know, but then, but then Bennett misses a shorty on the next hole after they both in and I don't know. And then car fought fought valiantly down the stretch. Made to the 36th hole. Yeah, which I mean, he was down. he was five down at one point in the match. So, uh, Haggistad went on a run.

He was playing like exceptional golf. Uh, like it seemed like a lot of the a lot of the better players in amateur golf advanced. There wasn't a whole lot of huge surprises other than like, there were some big my guy, uh, Ludwig got got bounced in the in the first round. Went up against Ricky Castillo. I still don't know how that name works. Tough, tough look when even the, you know, your Ryder Cup stalwart to losing two Americans in singles in the USA. That's just tough Castillo was doing like he was, he was playing greasy golf, man.

He was coming up and down from crazy spots. Yeah, he's got anything else on the USA. I was getting up and down from crazy spots. Yeah, he's got anything else on USM? I was gonna say, shot to Smiley Kaufman. I think it's a watch a lot of it, but I've, you know, I thought, he doesn't do a lot of TV work. He's getting into it, but man, he's a total natural in it. And I'm kind of hanging on every word. He says on shots and how they're played.

He just, I don't know exactly what he does differently, but it just does it a little differently than a lot of the other announcers. And I think he's got a bright future, I hope, in television. He seems like, again, the more like younger guys we can get into it, I think is gonna be a part of like what, like adding Colt knows to broadcast has been

additive, adding Amanda Balionis, Amanda Renner to broadcast has been additive. And Smiley Kaufman looks like next guy up if you ask me. And I think again, going back to our conversation, like the entertainment value of golf is gonna need to change and that's gonna include needing more young people. And I think he's next one. So.

Here you go. I got nothing to add on the USAM other than I really laughed hard at the tweet that said, Sam Bennett was paying off the big tone go tee or go tee bet before me and Randy that was so kudos to whoever made that. Interesting facial and everyone that's harsh facial air. Anyone that's ever gotten really mad at me for aggressive club twirls on YouTube videos. I totally understand it now after seeing the aggressive club twirl for Bennett. I was like, oh no. Guys, I'm kind of kidding, but I don't think he's kidding. And now I really get it, I get it.

So big week for go-t's between him and our boy Philly Nolts. I know. I'm a corn fairy. Phillip Nolts had, you needed a two putt on the last hole to win the corn fairy, the first corn fairy finals event. And unfortunately, I've three putted and lost it, lost in a playoff. But, however, man, I had dinner with that guy,

I played golf with him, I believe it was back in February. We went to dinner afterwards and I just, you know, asked him what he had coming up next. I remember him being, he was conditional status on the corn fairy tour. And I remember him saying like he had a sponsor's exemption coming up for an event on the corn fairy tour that he was excited for. And like the spots, the starts were going to be infrequent. And that guy's head to the PGA tour. His life has changed in the matter of two weeks. He played his way into the cornferry finals last week by making an incredible run

last week's event. And now, you know, he finishes T2, but that essentially, I believe it does guarantee him a tour spot for next year. And he's headed the PGA tour. It's just remarkable and goes to show why so many, dude, just don't quit and why you can't quit. Why so many dreams refused to give up on the dream because in two weeks, he flipped his entire life. And he's headed the PGA tour. I just, I think it's freaking awesome. It definitely reminds me of what JT Post and did a few years back, almost even a kind of a quicker

turnaround even on it. But JT had barely had any, if I don't even think he had any cornferry status, he basically top five or top 10 to get into the next week. And then he ended up getting into 75 and then he ended up getting his tour card via that. And it's the same kind of thing. I just like a mentor spec when somebody goes on a heater like that. It'll be interesting to see a Philly like he's not a long driver of the golf ball or anything like that, it'll be interesting to see if he competes.

Well, I don't tour, but props to him for getting there in the first place. I think on that note too, it just dip in back into the tour stuff again. It's just cool to give like those chases a little bit of context, right? And I think what ends up happening is when you flatten all these events,

the, the, like result, at least for me as a golf fan, is not like, oh, everything gets better. It's like, dude, nothing means anything, right? When it's like, oh, John Rom won the Mexico Open. I'm like, what the fuck does that mean? Like, who, there's like one top 30 player in the field and like, what, like, what are, what are we doing, guys? And I think having weeks that are distinctly like, here are the best players going after

each other. And here are the players trying to become the best players is where you really can lock into like the JT post and stories, right, Tron? And like, that's where I feel like I, I've just like fallen off even following those because it just feels like everything has gotten so muddy, you know, and it's just like, there's following those because it just feels like everything has gotten so muddy You know, and it's just like there's just so many like candidly to truth serum like there's just so many Media ochre golf tournaments that you just don't really want to follow any of them right Hopefully this kind of resets the context not a lot of this stuff Well, and that's the thing too like on on corn fairy

There's just you know like that's not even on TV tonight, right? Or it was on TV, but on a tape delay, two hours after it finished, so the Dick Sporting Goods Champions, you know, big Dick Sporting Goods. Yeah, that's a big Dick event. You know, that tournament's on live, and it's like, this is a Cornfairy finals event. These guys are gonna be on the PGA tour. You're trying to, you know, kind of introduce everybody to the next group of stars out there. And like, well, Gordon one, who's just done it. He's an absolute study. He went to Vandy.

And it's kind of crazy that like he didn't have his card via the regular season this year. He had T6 down in Sarasota, T13 in Nashville, Solo 4th in Raleigh, T3 in Maine, and then T5 in Utah, T5 in Omaha last week. And finishes like 33rd and doesn't get his card comes out. Winds has his PGA tour card for next year. He hits the shit out of the ball. Saw him out in Reno a few years ago. And he's just, I mean, he's like one of the longer dudes in the world. One of the dudes that was, you know, he kind of came out earned special temporary membership through at Travelers. I think it was on the PGA tour. If I have right, made a great run at that and kind of thought he projected to go to the moon and it just hasn't happened yet, but doesn't mean

it can't happen. So what else, anything else before, before we get to the... I got nothing else. Joel Dane was on the bag for Brandon Harkins out there. I just wanted to mention that. That was cool. Tom Wycecoff passed away. I wanted to offer condolences there. I think he was a pretty fascinating cat. I don't know. He seems like a great subject for a deep dive.

Pot. He is an endlessly fascinating, fascinating guy. I'm fascinated by his playing career. I'm fascinated by his, him off the course. Sounds like a fascinating guy. I'm fascinated by his playing career. I'm fascinated by his him off the course. Sounds like a fascinating story. I'm fascinated by his design work. Just a really seems like a very underrated figure kind of in the in the world of golf. Thank you for mentioning that. He's hit the rider cup one year to go hunting. Yeah. He helped change the rider cup in that way. There's an article, I think John Huggins tweeted it out earlier,

but about that guy, Yokem wrote about his run in with quicksand, how Tom Wisecophic almost got in golfed in quicksand. I believe building Locke Lomon, if I remember right, but that article's out there if you want to Google that one. I loved short par fours. Yeah. And really just, you know, kind of a, kind of a big tone in a way,

a little bit like a lot of runner up finishes to Jack, you know, kind of, and he was the first one like, hand up, he's like, hey, I got probably less out of my talent than I should have. You know, I think alcohol was a part of that, cleaned himself up and props for that. There was a 12 year old that played on the DP world tour. This is this week.

I wanted to mention that. That was that was outrageous. And then Parker, Kudy, uh, absolutely just vanquished everybody up on the, uh, on the PGA tour Canada this week. Uh, the Kudys are in the open field right now. Crazy. I mean, he had multiple, multiple war going on. He was like 23 under through three rounds.

One by eight. Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. So they're definitely coming. And then, yeah, that's it. That's all I got. So thank you everyone for tuning in for another two hour dive.

I love many, many weeks and months to talk about all this and Yeah, thanks again to BMW for for all the support for this past week It was a absolute blast at the event can't wait to come back to next year's in Chicago and yeah Thanks for tuning in this has been a lot of fun. Thank you boys and good night. It's good morning I should say we were after midnight as we finish this as it took us a while to get the story First time in a while. I know I'm ready to go to bed so thanks everyone cheers guys cheers How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.