No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 595: Tour Championship Recap

Episode Date: August 29, 2022

Rory wins the Tour Championship at East Lake by a shot over Scottie Scheffler and Sungjae Im for his third FedEx Cup title. We close down the 2021-22 PGA Tour season with a cameo from The Pro, Max Homa, and do our best to put a bow on a truly wild season in professional golf. Then we dive into the latest round of reported LIV golf defectors, the role of agents in the recruiting process, more player feedback on the proposed PGA tour changes and more.  If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/LA/MI/NJ/PA/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXT-STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/NH), 888-789-7777/visit http://ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 877-8HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY), visit OPGR.org (OR), call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA). 21+ (18+ NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/LA(select parishes)/MI/NH/NJ/ NY/OR/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. New customer offer void in NH/OR/ONT-CA. $200 in Free bets: New customers only. Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min $5 wager. $200 issued as eight (8) $25 free bets. Ends 9/19/22 @ 8pm. Early Win: 1 Early Win Token issued per eligible game. Opt in req. Token expires at start of eligible game. Min moneyline bet $1. Wagering limits apply. Wagers placed on both sides of moneyline will void bet. Ends 1/8/23 @ 8pm ET. See terms at sportsbook dot draftkings dot com slash football terms. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up Podcast, the final wrap up, I guess, of the 2021-2022 PGA tour season. Can't believe it's already over just 47 events into the season. Sully here, we are no one in the killhouse tonight,

all in separate locations. TC is calling in sounding great, sounding healthy from undersclow's location. Hello TC. Many Sally, I apologize to everyone in advance. I have a nasty, nasty sinus infection that's gotten the best of me today. I'm open to Jersey at Niels in Losplace.

Thank you to the Christuses for having me. No one gets hit hard like TC gets hit hard. It's just the man, the man in illnesses, it's, it's remarkable. I've seen it many times over the years and calling in. Torch Championship, the big money grab, his favorite event of the year is Big Randy. Hello, Big Randy. Guys, wonderful to be here. Thanks for having me on your show.

I really appreciate it. Solly, I need to know how many total minutes of recap podcasts we have done this season. Uh, I got so excited when they showed the total amount of shots taken for this PGA tour season. Love that. I'm going to get I'm sure somebody could calculate that for us. And somebody in the list of ship will gladly send that over. First before we get going here, lots to talk about. May have a little special guest calling in here shortly No idea who that might be. I'm sure nobody's gonna be able to guess that as well

But what I had the money on it's not rory. Don't get that excited But we're gonna give a shout to our friends at Calaway They are big supporters of us for many many many years But also supporters and a lot of the content that we want to make and one of the things that we wanted to make Was a series called film room this year, which they've been a proud sponsor of. And if you haven't seen the most recent episode of that, Neil did a hundred whole hike to raise a bunch of money for youth on course. We filmed it all in the heat of the Tennessee summer and it is all on our YouTube channel for you to enjoy again, the No-Lang Up YouTube channel. It's fantastic content, and you'll struggle with the putter.

He tries to talk himself into getting the putter back together, it does not. I'm just gonna spoil that part of it. And yeah, I just wanna thank Callaway for their continued support of the content that we wanna make. So when you're shopping for clubs, either this in the rest of this season

or next season, keep them in mind and keep their support of a show that you listen to in mind. That's all that we ask for, and that's all that they would ask for. CallawayGolf.com for more information and the NoLangup YouTube channel for more information as well. All right, guys, listen, it was a long haul to get there, but I gotta say, PGA Tour pulled it out again on a Sunday, entertaining content on a Sunday. The Friday, Thursday Friday Saturday of a lot of these playoff events have not been anything that you need to mark on your calendar, but the Sundays have been good

and the format worked. He said, I know you hate the format, but you got to say the format kind of works. Sunday was a banger. You got to give it to them. They shut it down. They shut it down. No, I think even Saturday was decent to a certain extent. Yeah, I, you know, I would think, yeah, I've got some tour people stunting in my, in

my texts and in my replies. I think some of it is when you get the 30 best guys and the PGA tour together, like I hope sometimes you're going to get a good finish and a good, so I think some of it is, you know, fool me once, shame on you. Like if you keep playing this tournament 20 times in a row at East Lake, you're bound to get a couple of good finishes in there. But yeah, props to them. I don't want to take any shine off their moment.

It was crowds were crowds were allowed today. The action was good. Big Randy, how exciting. Where how excited? Were you feeling any nerves coming down the back nine watching Schaeffler and Rory battle it out? No, I wasn't feeling any nerves, but it was fun. Like I'll echo everything TC said. It was, it was nice to have two of the best in the game, kind of going at it. Mano Imano, it wasn't quite a

match play. I guess 18 was a bit of a match play situation, but yeah, it was, it was a good day at golf. I have, you know, I think bigger picture when you zoom out, I have some thoughts and I don't agree with some stuff, but today if we're zooming in and just focusing on the finish today, it was great. It was very interesting. It was great. It was, uh, it was very interesting. It was obviously, uh, nervy for the players, but as a fan, I, I don't get that same sense of nerves watching a tour championship as I would a major championship. But, uh, do you feel similarly, Sally, is that your experience or, or were you kind of sweat? That's totally fair. And I'm, I'm along the same lines. I don't really actually care that much about, you know, the, I, I, I, I get, let me, let me correct myself a little bit there. This year, more than most,

I care a little bit about the money and the guys making the money, right? Because it has been such a huge storyline in professional golf this year about obviously with live, how much money everyone is making it live. But I think a day that the PGA TOR can point to and be like, hey, look also at how much money you're playing for here. Like if Sheffler were to one today, he might have made $50 million off the PGA tour this year, depending on how the PIP shakes out somewhere between $40 and $50 million he would have made. I would say he was the best player on the PGA tour this year. And Rory was a tremendous tremendous player. Didn't have the same results, same amount of wins, obviously, no major like Sheffler did, but just those were the two best golfers on the PGA tour this season.

And it was ended up between those two battling out for the big cash prize and and Rory got it. He got Rory made, you know, $28 million this year on course, plus whatever he's going to get in the pit, which again, there's a new calculation with that. It's not necessarily as much of a population contest. I have to think Rory's getting somewhere between eight and 15 million off that. So all that to say, like, hey, you know, this this year was a little different. It wasn't as much as a snooze fest when it comes down to the money, but I totally agree. It's obviously nothing like

what you're, the reason why we really watch golf tournaments is for major championships and to feel the, uh, all the things that money can't buy, I guess, but it just felt like there was still like a little bit of an element of, I don't know, excitement to it. And I'm not exaggerating when I say I think the commercial freeback nine contributed greatly to that. They were able to layer in the narrative and story and just keep the cameras on the guys as they walked. I'm not saying they were at that nervous.

Roy does not. There's no way Roy gets that nervous playing for an amount of money that is probably still a bit of a rounding error in his net worth. But I don't know, it added a different level of entertainment that I couldn't take a bathroom break this afternoon and I think that means something. You know what, for me, it kind of comes back to, I never really give a shit who wins the Super Bowl,

unless I have like You know, I like I gave a shit last year because it was Bengals Rams, right? But most years like I don't care who wins the Super Bowl It doesn't mean anything to me. And so maybe this really is the Super Bowl golf, you know? But like I think as far as the money goes you do want to see the right person win the money like I like I think either the right person or a Complete underdog if it's just just like Patrick Cantley walking home with 18 million dollars for this like the like like why does he deserve that you know versus I think with everything that Roy's had on his plate over the last six months or so it seems

like this is a very nice bonus for him to get you you know, and it's like, hey, like you've had a lot on your plate. You've had a lot on your mind. You've been the de facto PGA tour commissioner and you won the FedEx Cup. This is your third one of these, like hats off, man. Like big shit there. And this may have sounded dramatic. I said this on Twitter and it may sound dramatic as I say it again, but I think it is going

to take some time for it to crystallize for golf fans. How much of a burden Rory has carried this past year and how much he's likely responsible for saving the PGA tour. As we know it, I'm again, not exaggerating when I say books are going to be written about this in the future in the probably very near future of like all that's happened in terms of look at and if you haven't seen look at Cameron Young's quotes after the round today about how the changes being made to the PGA tour were a factor in his decision not to end up going to live. Like who knows how many other players in that room that Rory prevented from leaving and going and

and you know, even contributing to a bigger cascade effect of guys leaving. And on top of all that to play as good a golf as he's played all year Be so close to the open championship be runner up at the masters and to play honestly What probably is best like complete season of golf from a strobe scheme perspective? I know Randy you were getting ready to make that same point. That's your big strobe scheme guy Like that is it's just remarkable and it's really hard to again when the Netflix stuff comes out I'm sure we're gonna appreciate it a little more just to realize like, all on top of all that, he played all that really, really good golf.

It's certainly like straight out of central casting or something that, you know, a writer's room in Hollywood would would conjure up with Rory taking home the ultimate prize, at least monetary prize, kind of the cherry on top of this effort to save the tour. So yeah, I don't think, honestly, I don't think like tour HQ could have asked for any better storyline this week or result. I'm receiving word right now,

so we might have somebody joining us online. Somebody who just cashed a big check. Listen, I'm just gonna say word right now, so we might have somebody joining someone. Just cashed a big check. Listen, I'm just going to say it right now. You got a year that you cannot complain about any bad bounces for a whole entire year. Will you agree to that Max Homa? Um, yeah, I guess. That ball wrapped in the flag.

And did you calculate how much money that saved you? I think like a million dollars is that a lot? Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. How much money that saved you think like a million dollars is that a lot? Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Rubber the green. Max, I know you have won the Wells Fargo. We need to be very judicious where all this money is going. Maybe we can take this offline. What kind of accounts we have set up here? I used to watch shows about like people like going to the Cayman Islands or something. So I feel like you got to off shore some of this, uh, invest some, invest some at the casino. Um, I don't know. I need to talk to, I need to talk to my people. What, what is it like to play for that much money? Is that the most money you've

ever played for? I mean, I'm assuming the answer is yes. But is that, is that something you're thinking about coming down the stretch? Yeah. My, my Monday skins, games get pretty high, but not quite. Not quite that. Yeah, I was thinking about it. I mean, you play that 15th whole man. You know, it's, you know, what's on the line. It was straight up white knuckle coming in, making birdie on 60. It was awesome. But, yeah, I mean, and making birdie on 60 was awesome. But yeah, I mean, Joe joke that it was most he's ever seen me look at a leaderboard. I was trying my hardest not to,

but it's just, it's impossible not to. What's your reaction to, we just got done kind of talking about, and I was being probably maybe a tad bit dramatic as far as the burden that Rory has carried. You can actually speak to that. I think a little bit without, I know, listen, I know guys in the room

are not giving any details about that meeting. But can you guys at least shine a little light on what kind of a burden Roy has carried this year and how remarkable it is to kind of come out on top on the golf course at the end of this tumultuous year? Yeah, I mean, even if you don't even want to call it a burden just all the excess stuff he's been doing or thinking about or dealing with

internally is a ton and then it's just a testament to how freaking good he is at golf but I don't know man it's like we try to do our best to everybody out here to be as like as little distraction as possible and I feel like he's taken on a lot of it. And the guy goes out there, I played with him yesterday, and it was just the easiest golf you've ever watched. And just something about like the natural talent, like it's just, it's just shine through, but it's pretty, it's pretty amazing when you think about, you know, he's got like a whole other endeavor going on or multiple. And the guy goes out in the final week of the season and just does what Rory does.

Max, what was your, uh, your tour championship, your debut at the tour championship? Like, what do you think of Eastlake? What, what's it like? Only see it at up against 30 guys, all that. I love that obviously experience being, you know, not a lot of people here. It was pretty cool. Practice turns go fast. Uh, the golf course is really fun. Man, uh, it was soft this week, but it's right on in front of you. Here was pretty cool. Practice rounds go fast. The golf course is really fun, man. It was soft this week, but it's right on in front of you. And Joe had to kind of get recalibrated to the place

because he said there's certain holes they would use it. Three would, and so have a wedge and wear it and drive a radar. So it was a little bit different for everybody. But I thought it was awesome, man. The crowds were absolutely incredible. Yesterday was bananas. Martian them come up 18 today was incredible. So I think like the city shows out. The golf course is really good. I feel like for a finale, you know, like I said, it's out in

front of you. There's not a lot of tricks to it. And you know, you got to, I know I mentioned before you get through that 15-hole and skate, which a tall task So I'm I get all the hype around this event and it was it was really I always wanted to make you here But getting to be here and see hey bones Hi, you ever heard of him. Let's just a ludge see you bones And just getting yours is like the most special thing But when you get to actually experience the rush of the event, it's pretty remarkable. Do you feel like the fifth best player

on the PGA tour this year? Are you, I say that as in, are you celebrating tonight like a win because you just finished fifth on the season long PGA tour race? Like that's got to feel, I would think feel that just as validating as your four PGA tour wins. Yeah, I don't know if I'm gonna celebrate quiteasa win, but I was trying to win the Stroke

Play portion of this thing. I got pretty darn close. Yes, you did, Max. Yes, you did. Almost won the Tour Championship kind of. But yeah, I mean, I'm going to celebrate really part of my season. All jokes aside, this was beginning to end very solid. I feel like I grew up a lot, and I feel like I grew up a lot and I feel like I got better

and I feel like I came out this week and battled on Thursday with all of my mental demons and came out Friday a new person and I think I think I'll look back on that Thursday to Friday's change and and I think I'm gonna really enjoy that going forward because that was fun. I haven't really had a ton of success in events with all the best players in the world. They're having played great at majors, shout out to Randy. I haven't played great in the playoff events too much and then this week I went out there and I played the last three days and just trusted myself, which was fun, man, because I don't know if I was a bit fit best player this year, but myself, which was fun, man, because I don't know if I was a bit fit best pair this year, but I feel like at least this week and this weekend, I played like it, which was cool.

Max, I appreciate you acknowledging the major results. I have big hopes for you next year and beyond. But on a serious note, I just, you know, a couple of things. First, I think back to, I think it was 2018 when you and I went and got those dumb straw hats and Atlantic beach and, and you were celebrating just earning your PJ tour card. And I got to see an experience firsthand what that meant to you. And, you know, fast forward four years. And obviously you've collected wins on the PJ tour. You've just finished

fifth in the season long points race. Just a heartfelt congratulations to you and it's such a fun experience for myself and I'm speaking for all of No Lang up just just watching this journey that you're on. So that's that's first of all my you're welcome. My question is, you're a big sports guy. I'm hearing, and I want to get your take on, you know, the tour championship. We know it's not a major. It's never going to have that same feel as a major. But in terms of like, what you think the players are experiencing, I mean, I don't know if it's fair to equate it's like a super bowl, but, but this was like, talk to me about like how big of a deal this is or guys nervous like what's what's the energy around this event? I think they are. I think you know your website even though you can start 10 back and I know no one's ever done that

Whatever, but you still feel you have a chance a great week to I mean, we had I was talking to Joe about I was Walked up 18 we had seven holes left. And I was like, if I finish in a flurry, like you just now really know, I guess when you watch it on TV and I kind of get people griping about it that, oh, you stagger them and it gets people so far out in the head or whatever, but just again, I was especially nervous today coming down the back nine. And I don't know, man, I guess maybe you have to experience it to understand it because I didn't really fully grasp it until obviously this year. And it is intense.

And then you start to think about like, you know, obviously there's a ton of money for grabs, but you start to think about like, you finish where you finish this week for the season as solid reference. And like, whether I feel like I had the fifth best season I know I've been around the top 10 all year and it feels pretty damn good to finish this season in fifth because I felt like I had a great year and I felt like you do have to go out there the last week and earn it and the energy from the crowd out here in Atlanta was amazing I mean the franchise was even out here for a day or two it was was buzzing. And I think the crowd plus the golf course plus obviously what we know is that

stake really heightens it. And I don't know. I was I was tremendously impressed with the event. And a little bit surprised just how meaningful it felt. I was just I want to clarify. I stumbled the way I asked that question. I meant to say does it has it set in the ridiculous accomplishment that it is to finish fifth That's more of what I meant It is a remarkable achievement. I know you said you only had five minutes here And we're keeping you for for close to ten Max. I will say my dad the franchise texted me on on Thursday night And he was like hey, I said how to max out there today Max and play very well.

What did he say? I'm gonna talk to every time I get that. So, so, but one other thing that just stuck out to me this year, you played it and this was your 24th event of the year. You missed only three cuts. You had 14 top 25 finishes in 23 or 24 events. That's, I guess this was your 15th, top 25. So just that's crazy good there.

We're we're on. I have a again, all serious. I have a really awesome team. Obviously Joe is the catalyst on my team, but it's been really cool just like learning this year and taking a leap. And I don't know, man, it's, you like sit back and reflect on a leap and I don't know man it's you like sit back and reflect on a season and you actually finally make it to the the last

one is I don't know man it just makes you feel very proud of everybody and everything that's gone on because it's a really really long year and this year finally didn't have that super low a month or two and I guess like like I said, I guess maybe that adds to the meaning to this event because it feels like you can kind of cap off a good season and make it great in just one week. And I think that's that's what makes this thing special, I think. Well, now we'll just hold our breaths and see maybe just maybe, maybe, maybe you'll get a cappons pick to the president's cup. Something tells me that my fingers are crossed my brain, you just might. So

we'll let you go, bud. Safe travels home and, uh, look forward to watching you, uh, an all likelihood compete here in the next month, uh, for team USA. That's pretty wild to think. So, but, uh, thanks for calling. Thank you,

boys. Love you guys. Cheers. See you, Max. Thank you. Congrats. You all. Thank you. I know we're going to get wound up here as we go, uh go and cover through the rest of the this event, but I just got to point out the weight is almost over. A new football season is about to begin. I got two fancy drafts tonight.

That's why we especially got to wrap this thing to the same time tonight. Yeah, that's the only time I got the schedule man. There's too much golf on. God Randy and I put our keepers in last night. Oh my God. we were grinding. Get ready for NFL week one action with the Draft King Sportsbook and official sports betting partner of the NFL. To celebrate the return of football,

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Sally, a couple of things I'd like to unpack from Max's comments before we get fucking roasted by people. You know, East Lake, I think the bones are there for a good golf course. I don't think it's particularly appealing on TV. I think it's very monotone. I'm excited to see what Andrew Green does with it. It sounds like he's going to do kind of an invernous style thing and a little bit texture on top of the bunkers. Spice up the greens a little bit. It's been re-safed, right? It's got osteoporosis.

But also, I think there's something to be said too of like this tournament feels different for fans versus players. Because I think it's it's super fair to say where if the PGA tour like getting to the tour championship is the currency of the year, right? It's it's how they bonus like it's what the entire bonus structure is based off of it's how you get into the majors for next year. It's you know, basically guaranteeing your card. Now it's going to be I think a two-year exemption all of that. So I think for the players like they've done a good job of you know kind of incentivizing them around this tournament and the tournament means something to them now Do I think it means something to the fans because of that? That's where the disconnect is right?

So I don't know that was just kind of the point I wanted to make of like I just it just never really it just always feels like a little bit of an afterthought It never really, it just always feels like a little bit of an afterthought. It never really feels fully fleshed out. And you know, we can talk about how you fix it and whatnot. But like, to me, it's like this, this tournament should feel like the players, right? Like you, which question? Do you think we'll feel differently when the season is January to August? And this is the final event of the true season. Like, do you think it's burnout a little bit? Like, I think that contributes to it. I think... I don't think it's gonna hurt, like, moving to a calendar.

Well, I think it just is like, again, it's such a long season and the points are so weird. I think it, you know, if it's an eight-month season and it ends with one player being the best, I have a feeling that we'll have maybe a little more appreciation for it. Because I feel the same way and again, I think this,, the playoffs are again, like many things in professional golf, not designed with the fans' best intentions, you know, or you know, necessarily for the fans.

It's a distribution of money to the players, right? And there is some entertainment that comes with it. I think overall this tournament has been, has delivered a lot of really cool moments at the end. I coupled total, total stinkers. Yes, but that you're just going to have that with a 30 person tournament. I think it's just less likely that you're going to end up with a with a great finish and I mean, saw I all push back a little bit there. They're like, what are the like other than tiger. I would put this year up there. I think one of the years that's the under one was pretty good. The billhust out of the water a year. Like those are like really the only years I can even I mean, how many years have they

had this tournament? That he's like now 22 or 16, you know, when he hold the shot on the 16th hole and then wins in the playoff, that was good speed. I mean, speed winning was not, you know, that necessarily that exciting, but I don't know. There's there are some moments with it. I don't know. It's not great. I'm actually ready to say, though, that I'm in on the format, at least compared to the old one. I don't think it's the only option for it,

but I do since. It's better than doing a bunch of math. Like, they replayed a little bit of the 2018 towards championship when Tiger won up there, and they listed out all the scenarios that Tiger would win the FedEx cup with and with a win, and it's six different guys had to finish worse than a certain amount and look I know like 98% of Steve Sands's job was like revolved around being able to do that whiteboard which only that man was capable of doing and that was that was entertainment but like this is this is better I think this this this handicap gave us. We knew exactly what everyone was playing for. I do wonder if They can do two trophies at what two tournaments at once

Can you do a Gross and a net right can you do both simultaneously? Is there a way to do that on a scoreboard? That I think could be interesting right if you're playing for the actual tournament this week and the FedEx cup simultaneously While that you know, basically, it's like the old system except with handicap scoring instead of points based. Like, I wonder about that. I mean, Sally, I was trying today. I was trying all weekend to tabulate that because all my bets this week were, you know,

on winner without strokes. And like, there's, I couldn't find a single gross scoreboard on the entire internet. It's crazy. And you know, Max, Max finished one. I think I think one behind Sungjae on that front, which what a what a way to cap it. Well, I will say I don't know if this would have helped during the round, maybe after each round, but at least on the PJ tour, you can sort it by just strokes, raw strokes. I've got it if you want it. It was Roy at 17, Sungjae at 16, the PJ tour, you can sort it by just strokes, raw strokes. I've got it if you want it. It was Roy at 17, Sungjae at 16, Max at 15, JT at 14, Hogi at 13, Zander, Aaron Wise, Sep Stracca at 12.

Sep Stracca made a lot of money this week. Hadecki, Joaquin, Poston, and Finau at 11, and then Sheffler at 10 under. So I do think that there's something to like, hey dude, like you want to go win 18 million bucks, like starting on Sunday night at the BMW, you're sleeping on the lead. Like here you go, like go ahead and hold it. And Scotty had a six shot lead going into the final round. And it was gone in like six or seven holes.

Like I don't care, it's gotta be a totally different pressure. It's not bigger, it's not more important than the majors, but it's gotta be a totally different pressure just to know like you're playing for a steaming hot pile of enormous cash. And like Scottie did played like a dude that was not nervous, but like he was not right for all day, Saturday, and then everything after the finish this morning, he was not near, not the same golfer we've seen all season. What happened on 18 with the bunker? Was he like, he was complaining about something I couldn't like, I was on mute.

So I couldn't hear it. Like what did he was just not have? I don't know if it was. Is there a. I mean, Max kind of thin one out of that bunker too. I don't know. He was in a different bunker, but I'm wondering if they just didn't have, you know, good sand in that bunker or enough sand in that and he caught a little thin or what not.

But yeah, I don't know if I if I just lost a chance at, you know, a difference of 11 and a half million, I might have been a little a little pissy too. Yeah, but definitely, uh, uncharacteristic from Scotty, you know, all like like really all weekend off the tee, especially too, like just spraying it both ways. I will say a lot of mash and the rough down behind the ball from Scotty this weekend. I'm just this is a problem, isn't it? This is a problem. It's I've talked to some guys out on tour.

They've alerted me to it. So this isn't coming from like the twisted mind of TC. Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just the messenger here. There was a bad one on a green side chip that like they zoomed in on like where he had clearly laid his club down behind the rough. And I don't technically know what the rule is and I know like he's not the only one that lays his club down in the rough But it does seem like he's given a little extra mat or it was it was once it was pointed out it was kind of like a huh

Yeah, that looks a little I don't look quite right and I know he's done it with you know He's pulled fairway wood before and then gone to like a mid-Ir before too. So, you know, I'll just leave that there. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Sean, I wanted to pick up before we can go to the leaderboard or whatever else, but I

think what you said earlier about just from a fans perspective, like the money that these guys are playing for, it's just not something I care about. And I think, solid to your point earlier in the show, like this year with all that's going on with live and, you know, that it, it, it almost like weirdly, I didn't mind it this year, but it's just like looking into the future. Like we got to figure out another way to hook the fan into this because I just find it like, I know the word that just kept popping into my mind is like, it's just gauche, right? To like with the broadcast, you know, oh, this guy's winning another four million and this guy's winning another five million and in 12 million over here and it's just I don't know I was texting some non-NLU folks this week actually unsolicive we like dude I don't like why do they think I care about these guys like making extra millions of dollars and I think that's a really good point and I'm not exactly sure what the answer

is but like PJ tour you got to look around and read the room. Like people like really don't care about these guys like what they make. Which we want to see good golf. We want to see compelling golf. But it's not like, oh my god, he won 10 million more. That's awesome. Yeah, like I just fall so flat for me, which I will say like we've in the past in the

same podcast, we've said, hey, they should we do the money out and because that was also like the flip side is it's about this FedEx cup trophy. It's about a trophy named after a logistics company, right? Which right. Like I would get excited about that because I'm all about logistics, but you know, like in FedEx, just just like re up for another 10 years. So it's like, I think, I think the answer comes down to rivalries, right? And more, like, you know, these guys playing against each other more often and more rivalries and more character being built throughout the season to where it does culminate in something. It's not just some, like, right now, I just feel bolted on to the end of the season after the majors, right? Yeah. That's what I, I mean, I was kind of trying to think through like,

okay, what, what do I like care about when I tune into golf? And like the best I could come up with was, you know, for, for me at least, I think there may be four factors where maybe it's a super interesting course, which, you know, East Lake does not check that box for me. You know, it's the historical nature of something, which again, like FedExCub, tour championship, just doesn't really do it. You know, our guy is playing interesting shots and shot shapes. And I think, you know, we've beat this to death with the equipment.

Like it's just, to me, pro golf isn't really about that a lot. And so then like the last one I identified was was what you just said, like interesting personalities. And that's where, you know, I think the way they've class acted us to death and beat the beat us over the head with that, like, I hope they realize like, not that we have to make it pro wrestling necessarily. But like, let's let's develop some rivalries. Let's lean into, you know, guys going after each other, even if it's like in a in a friendly spirit, but I like those are the four boxes and oftentimes and especially this week, it's man, it's tough to even check one

of those sometimes. Listen, I'm not going to sit here and defend the the honor of the FedX Cup. Like I'm just not going to be that guy I think honestly for our draft Kings pulls next year the loser like whoever loses finishes last should have to buy a FedEx cup hoodie They sell FedEx cup gear on the PJ tour website You have to buy hoodie you have to wear it in every video for the next year. I think that could be a little twist for next year Anyways, but I I don't disagree with anything you said other than I think they've done a better job of it. They're going to pay out this much money at the end. You got to talk about it. And for the first couple of years of this, they kind of avoided talking about it. But I will say what they what they've backed into is they

cared more about who finished fourth, who finished fifth, who finished in other places. This week, and they do any other week. And by nature, golf fans are programmed to think whoever wins is the only thing that matters, right? When in reality, a fourth place finishes worth a hell of a lot more than an eighth place finish when it comes to getting to East Lake, getting in the majors next year, getting a two-year exemption, being out on tour, working your way up to whatever were, you know, interested in following. Like that's kind of a question we've all had to ask ourselves about pro golf is like, what is the point of following and

are being interested in it? And so that being said, like I think they, I've been a long been a fan of like, Hey, when they're putting for something on the 18th green, give me an idea of how much money is about to swing with this putt. If it's 400 grand, that's kind of interesting to people, right? I get this at this end of a tournament. It is kind of shoved down our throats for how much money they're playing for and it is kind of just gross But like also when somebody's putty on 18 and they just made a hundred fifty thousand dollar putt I think people are decently interested in that but that's always but that's always how pro golf has been It used to be winning the money list was like a huge huge honor like that was the championship basically and I don't disagree that it's

gauche, but you know, this is a huge element of pro golf. And I don't know if they're just like pretending like this trophy means that much, that wouldn't really sell in my book. Well, it's something too, where like if there's, you know, like half the year they talk about FedEx cup points, what are FedEx cup points? It's just money, right? It's just, yeah, it's just, you know, and so I think it's one of those things where, you know, it's context, right? It lends context. It's what these guys are incentivized on. Might as well talk about it a little bit. I think, you know, talking about the money is probably you have to do that just because if you don't, then it's like, well, shit, then what are we going to talk about? You know, it's almost like the last resort there.

I think I don't know. I, and maybe I'm in the opinion, I'd be really curious. But the, the money certainly isn't like that interesting to me. And I know everybody talks about how they can change it. I just wish we could maybe stroke play down to like a final four and then have a match player, so that I it just feels more proper to like crown a champion through match play than like metal play. I totally agree. I mean, even just looking at like the USA and last weekend of like, yeah, you're going to get some weird shit happen, especially if you're on a cool kind of interesting golf course where quirky shit tends to happen. And that's where I'm left is like in the absence of all this other stuff you have to talk about what the competition means, right? And if the competition doesn't mean anything then

then you're left with not a whole lot. Like it says something that like I'm from Atlanta, this is like I've been to this tournament four or five six times. In the last five years, I haven't had one one inkling or like one little motivation to go to this tournament. Like I've never thought for a second. You know what? I should go visit my parents this weekend. This, you know, and it's like, like I feel bad saying that. And I hope that, you know, it seems like the tour recognized it.

And they're trying to give more juice to it and it seemed like the fans in Atlanta came out and supported it and we're pretty loud this weekend more so than in years past, other than Tiger. So I think there's, you know, it definitely seems like they're on the right track to a certain extent, but, but it's just like for me, it's like, no, like I don't want to shit on Atlanta, but at the same time, it's like, this isn't a tournament that is interested me at all in the last five or six years. Yeah, and I'm not going to the venue, I think works for me, but maybe more than it works for you guys. That's, you know, that's just personal taste, I guess. It's not great, but it's not terrible.

I put it kind of middle of the road when it comes to PJ tour events. I think the flipping of the Nines helped a ton. I think it's way better back nine for TV. And they're starting to build up some kind of history and memories on these holes and how they've kind of played into FedEx Cup history or God I can't believe I just said that but Torch HP chip history You know, it so that works and and Again, I think if we're talking about how much reshaping there's gonna be to the PGA tour

I'm gonna talk some about that. I'm sure Try the match play for a year. Like, let's try it. Right. We try to fucking handicap golf tournament to hand out $75 million. Like, we can also try match play like tried and true tested, like way of crowning a champion for many, many years that is golf has gone away from for TV purposes. But like, I can't imagine that ratings would be worse for, you know, you know, play, you know, stagger it based on your FedEx Cup finish or rank coming into it where Scotty Shuffler gets two buys and a bunch of other guys get one buy

or something like that and they play for, you know, and maybe Scotty can't felt fall below 10th place or something like that. That would be more interesting than this. So I do think there's room for improvement in the format, but there's got to be also a reason why they haven't gone to, uh, to match play. Well, I feel like with match play, it's kind of, uh, all right, it's going to be more of a closed system here in the future. If they go to this 60 or 70 or 80 guys or however many are kind of in this top

level. So as it is, so there's going to be less interlopers there. Then you go through three rounds of the playoff or, you know, two previous rounds of the playoffs. Then you go through whatever, you know, however they see this if they do stroke play in to match play, it's like at that point, I would hope that the top four guys, it's like, you know what, like if you do have an underdog, that's almost more interesting at that point versus just the random 64th ranked guy in the world getting in and beating Tiger in the first round. And it's like, oh, well, you know, sure enough, like Kevin Sutherland and Mike Weir and Tom Pernees are squaring off, you know, it's like that's not going to happen.

And I think when we talk about trying to build history and rivalries, like match play to me lends itself way better to that than tournament metal play, right? Like it can be like, oh, well, you know, Rory's beaten Cantlay three times at East Lake, you know, or it just I feel like stuff can get much more. It can almost we can turn it into a team sport, right? Or what we love about team sports, the head-to-head and the history and, you know, the storylines that come from that, I feel like match play lends itself so much better than the standard metal play.

I also just think, I don't know, maybe it's just me, but like moving this thing around, the one that I can't get out of my head is Chambers Bay or just something on the West Coast, where like if you concluded this in prime time before football starts, when there's, there's not a whole lot going on in sports world this week. You know, there's like preseason NFL on basically this afternoon

and like that's it. It's like dude, like they'll make this a spectacle on Sunday or Monday night. Well, and I think there's it. It's like, dude, like, they'll make this a spectacle on Sunday or Monday night. Well, and I think there's a balance to be had to and where golf is not like any other sport, like if Sep Straukah would have won this week, like it would have felt not right. You know, it's not like a Cinderella story in basketball, NCAA basketball, making a run through the bracket. Like this, I don't know. I feel differently about, I feel like I feel better about a season long champion being crowned being somebody that just

like had a great season, right? That's why I think I'm okay with the the starting strokes is like, Hey, we got to figure out a way that Scotty should have a chance unless he totally shits the bed. He should have a chance to win this whole thing based on the season he's had and I don't know. So I don't know. I'm kind of torn on how they can handle it. I don't think there's an easy answer. I will say there seems to be there there's history with the event, history with the venue. And I don't know a ton about all the things that like Southern company and the related sponsors have done foundation wise, but it seems to be one of the strongest and one of

the biggest impacts on the local community there around there. The scholarship that they talked about and I don't have all the information in front of me. It seems to be like something that just kind of hard. It speaks to like, it's easy to for us to sit here and say change the venue, change the venue. And we will do that about a lot of golf courses. Don't get me wrong. And you look at it and say like, oh, we'll also like other, there's other stakeholders to this that, you know, are more, their lives are way more vastly impact than my entertainment value on television as well.

So I was just going to say Coca-Cola, Southern company, like good on them. I think Southern company just just re up through 27 or 28. The place is almost like unrecognizable or it really is unrecognizable. The whole neighborhood, comparatively, to when they started this. And some of that's just due to, you know, socioeconomic and geographic stuff in Atlanta, as far as people move back into the city. But to a certain extent, it's like, I think they've done they've done great stuff. I don't think that stuff's necessarily going away if they move the tournament though, either, you know, like the club is on solid footing. It was basically,

you know, on the verge of like abandonment when they came in in the early of the 90s. I think other sports, you know, if golf kind of wants to emulate other sports, right? How they move all star games from city to city and, you know, shit, the Super Bowl goes from city to city, even the NFL draft, right? Forever in one place is now being taken all around the country. I think I don't know, I think that would be cool. Like, oh, my God, they're going to announce where the next tour championship is. I feel like that would be a good thing for the PGA tour.

Yep. I do not do not disagree. I don't have an easy answer to that. I want to, I don't know what other notes you guys have for this week. I just want to say the first T announcer at East Lake is an artist. Like the man is just in total control of the situation. He's not making it, doing a performance of any kind. He's just cool, collected. He's just a now on the tee. The 2015 FedEx Cup champion Jordan Speeth just is, it totally different by that any other first T announcer

in golf and I couldn't find a way to get that out on Twitter that made any sense and I just got to say, shout out to that guy. They made a point to go that out on Twitter that made any sense. And I just got to say shout to that guy. I they made a point to go down to him on the microphone with every guy they announced and added a little bit to the tournament. So you know, I like first-tea starters. Can we go down the leaderboard a bit? Absolutely not.

Absolutely not. It's the tour championship. Like it's, you know, you got to recognize everybody. We can only do 29 of them, so we know there's a hard limit here. We haven't talked to Sanjay yet. He finished T2. Yeah, we'd be hard pressed not to mention Sanjay. I made $5.75 million in FedEx Cup bonuses this week and was second in low gross this week. So I think I said in I did say in 2019, I was, SunJay might make $50 million on the PGA tour

and it kind of felt like an exaggeration at the time. And now it's like, dude, he might make like $250 million with the way things are trending now. He played, they say he's played 52 more rounds on the PGA tour this year than any other player on tour. So like, you know what, you want to know why he wasn't invited in the meeting last week? They didn't have to convince him to play every event because he's already going to play

every event. He's the big sample size. I thought Zander was a disappointment this weekend. Big time. Seven D 69. I threw the curse on him by saying he's going to make $80 million at East Lake over the course of his career, which I still might stand by. Like there's a very good chance that East Lake is worth close to nine figures for him

for how well he plays that course and how much he leaps up FedEx Cup leaderboards and makes money off this event. But yeah, he kind of, I don't know, fourth place for the seasons, a bit of a stinker if you want to call it, but yeah, you're right. JT has not finished worse than seventh in the FedEx Cup since 2017 he finishes T5 this year it's actually a pretty poor finish for him and he's tied with our good friend Max 2.75 million signed a grade to JT season, would obviously won the major. So maybe that just blank it a there. But I guess since then, what do you make about totality 2021, 22 for JT? Not as peak seasons. I mean, I think 2017, 2018 and 2020 were like his best seasons of golf. If you just go look at like Stroke's gain and what

not, but it was a better year than he had last year overall. And just, I mean his performance is remarkably consistent. I'll just read him off. Since 2017, his Stroke's gain year by year, 2.22, 2.27, 1.99, 2.27, 1.84, 1.98. So's been between one point eight four and two two seven for each year going back to 2017. That's just a remarkably consistent player, but uh 13 top 20s seven top fives one win uh that pretty well correlated with uh with a lot of his other seasons. I'm blown away by the consistency when you pull up his data golf chart. I mean, it just looks pretty much the same year every year. Does he have another gear? I guess that's what I'm most, that's one of the things I'm

like most curious about with the, with pro golf is like, I just keep expecting JT to have a breakout, breakout breakout instead of just like, ah, he'll nab a major here and then nab a major there and be like, super, he's very good and super consistent. I just can't, I can't pin him. He's, he's very interesting to me. I think, I mean, I would qualify 2017 when he won five times in a major as the breakout, but he has not put together a season that looks like that

since then. He won three times in 18 and three times in 20, which are really, really, really stellar seasons. And you want a FedEx cup in there. Oh man, I'm riding for the FedEx cup in this episode. But no, I agree. And I think it's kind of putting, I mean, it's putting over all this year,

it was just pretty neutral. I mean, he's been a pretty neutral putter really since 2019. And I think it just prevents him. He leads to a lot of top 10s, a lot of really good finishes, but it prevents having a lot of wins.

You got to have this super hot putting weeks to rack up wins on PJ tour and he has not put them all together for four rounds. Guys, T7 for Cantler is Cantler going to go into the off season just howdy and bitchy and asking for more money. I know who could say another 1.75 for him tying Sep Strocka there for for seventh place, but yeah, Finao, Hogi, and then Neeman and Hedeki. Hogi. That's alive.

66, 66, 66. Thought he had another 66 and today shot 69. So bum there. So I mean, I remember earlier this season, you talking about like how good Tom Hogi was playing and, um, man, to finish kind of 10th in the season long list, that's phenomenal. And I thought with the time for seventh, you're going to mention Sep Strockett. That's a guy legitimately. I would have bet like, oh, no, he's off the PGA tour rather than finishing inside the top 10

and a FedEx. Except Strock, I hadn't made a cut since like, I know. May, I don't think until until the the Memphis event. He was in our FedEx draft and like, I don't think anybody really wanted him, you know. He did win the Honda earlier this year, but I have to say stepstruck is Strokes gained for the entire year. 0.07. He was essentially an average player on the PGA tour for the year and finished eight in the FedEx Cup.

I'm the Honda right time. Seven FedEx Cup. Got out the right time. Yeah. I got to give a shout out to JT Post and T15 for the torture championship. Four rounds in the 60s this week. What a career he's building for a dude that hits just a high floaty ball.

Huts the shit out of it. Like, I don't know. I just, I respect the hell out of somebody who maximizes every last ounce of their talent and ability and just has, you know, like you go out and you watch JT play against a lot of these other guys ability and just has, you know, like, you go out and you watch JT play against a lot of these other guys and you're like, this guy's not even in the same class. And I don't mean that as a as a knock on JT. It's just like, you know, he, like he looks just like a different kind of golfer. And yet here he is. And he's, he's punching

above his weight and he continues to. it's like he's settled into that top Top 60 top 70 on the PGA tour and it's fucking impressive to your exemption now as well. Yeah, I'm going with the Uh the new criteria that they've he stacked that with the with the wind as well. It does not stack. It does not stack that criteria does not stack I don't believe it's like discounts on a shop of You cannot use two discount codes that check out only one discount code when you renew your PGA tour membership. I think after Friday, it looked like Ram was going to make a little bit of a run. Shot 63 and then petered out on the weekend, 71, 71. Another just a weird year for Ram as well.

How do you assess that, Sally? Listen, we all said it at the end of last year. It was like this. What the golf he was playing was unsustainable. And he regressed a little bit. Listen, you just had another kid. He's probably overdosed on perspective a little bit in the last couple of years.

But he did not put it nearly as well this past year. And despite his complete and total shock at every putt that he missed, it just never really turned around. And I don't know He still hit the shit out of the ball like his number still look really good But just did not rack up the finishes. I mean you had eight top five last year He only had four this year. He had 18 top 20s last year only 11 this year Funny enough had the same amount of wins. He won the US Open last year and he won the Mexican Open

Ed Vidadanta the US Open last year and he won the Mexican Open at Vita. National Open. But still drives a shit out of it. You know, it hits his iron solid. He just, you know, hasn't necessarily racked up the same amount of birdies is, or the same, you know, not holding as many puts as he did in 19 and 20 and things like that. So we'll say I still think Rob's going to, he's just going to be, he's the booey. Like you can't sink him.

He'll be back. I think he'll have a stronger 23 than he had in 22. So I agree, I agree. Weird year for Moorakawa as well. Yeah, it's a pointing. I think very disappointing if I may say so. On the Moorakawa note, can I just say, it's still like his overall numbers,

and I'm boring people to death with this, with every guy we talk about, like very much in line with what he's produced in other seasons. He just had the amazingly hot weeks at the right time, the hot putters, the hot balls striking at the exact time you wanted it in previous years. And he those weeks did not line up this year. But like his off the T numbers, almost the exact same as last year approach play, slight regression. This was his best putting year on tour to date. And he had zero wins this past year.

So he had, yeah, Tally, is there like a, a factor or like something that you can do with the stroke's game numbers to isolate like Marians to where like he's more consistent here or there or, or he had, he had a better on the whole putting year, but he was higher variants. There is a tool on the data golf website. Uh, and I don't remember what it's called, but they would actually show like kind of like a little bar for each player as like where your variance lies. I think they did that.

They put that together because of more a cow. Because of like how much like he can have just to be a total heat up week on the greens. And basically it's like, the winning comes from variants on the on tour. Like that's why I feel now for a long time, had not one. Like he was just really consistent, but didn't have the high variance weeks. So it's not a knock on him. Just choked a lot to, I think it's bad luck mostly, but guys, I got, I got some important week. We got to talk about T 15 Victor, Hoveland Victor, I love Victor.

I love Victor, would love to hang with him off the course. 2023 is a very important season for Victor because he is not one on US soil. His record in the majors outside of the British Open this year where he kind of went away in the final round is not good. I got to start training my crosshairs. Yeah, I'm training my crosshairs on Victor starting next year. He's got to start showing me a little bit more. You put them in life support, you just put them in like, hey, you know, you're going to have to come in for a couple follow

appointments for doing some tests. Yes, we've seen some concerning things in your blood tests. We need to monitor this. So we're gonna need to have regular checkups while we try to get a hold of what's going on here. They agree. It is. It's hard to say. It's like literally just look at the numbers.

He is minus 0.47 around the greens. If he is just average around the greens, he'd be a better player than JT. The numbers would say. It's really, really bad around the greens. And hits it great, good approach, play, really good putter. And I guess he's just got to hit more greens. Because at this point, I don't think the short came is going to improve.

He should go cross-hated. Like fence. Yeah. Yeah. Guys, I got such a kick out of it today. Cam Smith, and this is kind of a segue, I guess, for us. Cam Smith played with the sheriff, the town cryer, Billy Horshaw, and his last, last PCN tour event.

I'll be ready to talk about that. Yeah, ready to move on to this topic. Before we do that, listen, there's a lot of great golf being played at the tour championship this week. I don't know how much great golf is played over on the live. It's hard to, we can't evaluate that. It's really hard to grasp that. But speaking of which, you can play your best golf with the RAP Sobel Mobile Launch Monitor.

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He guys, he hasn't made a cut in a major since 2013. It's just, you know, when we talk about like, what this tournament is can like change people, like what a awesome week and what an awesome season for season. I know. I just,. I just had to shout shout him out. He had some stuff. We shout out about last week too, but like he had some stuff on the insta where like he couldn't hit a fairway this week. He was late and then this morning or last night

like putting it on the insta. He's like, yeah, I'm hit like 19% of my fairways this week. That's just not going to get it done. So, so I won last question for you as far as Rory goes. Like what, what do his numbers look like from this season? Are they demonstrally better than previous years? That's kind of what I was trying to scream, you know, after the, after the British open was like, dude, Rory has played really

freaking great golf this year, 2.47 strokes gain, which is his, basically, essentially tied with his best season ever tied with 2014, essentially tied with 2019 as well. I mean, he was really, really good putter this year's best putting season ever on tour was incredible off the tee. His iron play was good. Good around the greens.

He was, uh, that's some of the best golf. I think we've ever seen from Rory this year. It only, it only resulted in, uh, I guess two, he won the Canadian open. I guess he won the CJ Cup in the season as well. And then also wins, you know, the tour championship this week. But yeah, he did not win the major, of course, but as far as playing good golf from the beginning to the end of the season, that is about as good as we've seen from Rory McElroy. And I think that, I think that means something. Does that mean anything to you, big? Well, it's, you know, good on him. He makes a lot of money.

People are tweeting at me asking, does this make Rory undead? Like, no, it's just about the majors. You've got to win a major. But hats off to him. Like you said, great year seemingly on the uptick could be in store for a huge year next year, which would be great for the tour.

I was a little bit concerned when he came out and bogeyed the first hole today. Like, you know, dumped it short right after middle of the fairway, 160 yards. I was like, oh, shit, here we go again. But it felt like he kept it tied together down the stretch a little bit more. They put on 16, obviously. He got some break. He got some breaks. Let's acknowledge that.

He we had a side stopping. Yeah, he hit a fan with a bladed wedge out of the bunker with a club twirled on. It stopped his ball over the green and then he hit the pin with the chip coming back that stopped it within eight feet. He makes the putt and then yeah, banks it off the backboard left of the green on 18, which yeah, I mean, everyone's, oh, you'd be shredding if it was somebody else that did it. It's like, this is a reality of ProGolf here.

Like, we've come to terms with the fact that this is going to be a thing that guys do. It's dangerous. It's crazy still that it, this is, you know, how it works. I still think if you leave the stadium, if you hit it into the bleachers, it should be OB, but they have not changed that. And yeah, Rory got three great breaks in the last three holes to win by one. And that's usually how it ends up happening. Sean Martin tweets at Rory, who started the week six back of Shephler was asked why he

excels as a chaser. And he said, because out of everyone in the field, I care the least about the money. He flexing because you got a lot of money. I got it. Yeah. I've got it. Yeah, I've got it. If I'm playing it, cool man. Cool. Absolutely. Stunt to go people. All right, to the fun part of the show, the weekly live segment, the narrative will shift back again tomorrow. At least, I don't know. A lot of people were pumping this out there that, you know, the

narrative is changing back to live gaining a bunch of momentum with tomorrow's announcements. I don't see it. I don't see it. It's factored in already. I was gonna say, I don't see it that way. I mean, Cam, that news is basically we knew since it's British open that this was happening. For what we know, Leashman, Tringale, and Varner also going. Which Tringale?

God, that's the good stuff. We can handle this one by one. I mean, yeah, let's just go one by one. Let's start with Cam. Again, we knew this. It sucks. Cam Smith. Cam Smith.

Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith.

Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. Cam Smith. He has five years of major exemptions. Doesn't seem to me like he loves money that much or you know, hates the PGA tour enough to leave. It still is, I hope these guys are getting good advice.

I think it's gonna be a common theme and a lot of evaluating these, but lives in Jacksonville, which I think is gonna be awkward or he's gonna be moving. I don't know, but this is the biggest coup, I think, for aside from Dustin Johnson that kind of I think helped trigger the wave

of guys leaving. This is the biggest coup for Norman because again, it's a player, he from Dustin Johnson that kind of, I think, helped trigger the wave of guys leaving. This is the biggest coup for Norman because, again, it's a player, he's the number two ranked player in the world and who has a bright, bright future of competitive golf in front of him. Now, all that to say, we're going to see him as of now in the, in the biggest golf tournaments for the next five years because he's exempt for him. But yeah, it's just, just a bummer.

I'm right there with you. I mean, people have been, oh, two-year boys going. Yeah, he is going. It's all, it's all, it's all about it inmer. I'm right there with you. I mean, people have been, oh, two-seer boys going, yeah, he is going. It's like I was talking about it in the last four to six weeks on here. You know, it is what it is at this point. I think, yeah, it's, you hit it on the head. It's gonna be awkward for him. Like he lives, you know, three quarters of a mile

from TPC sawgrass. He practices out there. I don't know, you know, I may, we may see him at the Jax Beach Mutie. We may at, uh, fun to be driven club over at Tim Kahn, but there's definitely that. It's going to be weird being at the players and the raiding players champion who won in dramatic triumphant fashion isn't defending, especially when it was one of the most popular and, you know, kind of hometown wins in a long time for the players. Probably since Fred Funk.

And then, uh, yeah, just, you know, larger golf perspective. It's just, it's tough to, it's tough to square, right? It's tough to, like they got somebody who cares deeply about winning, who's deeply competitive from what everything I've heard, like, Cam loves playing team golf. And that sounds like a really, really corny excuse that, you know, yeah, he took the money. Like that's first and foremost, but I think there's other factors in there between that and just I think spending more time in Australia, like he posted something the other

day just going like he's going home to play the Australian open of the Australian PGA and he hasn't been back to Brisbane in like three years, right? And I don't know, I think he's homesick. I think this affords him a hell of a lot more time. But at the same time, like the whole concept of not having the wraparound season, like if he's just patient, like he's probably afforded a lot of that same time to begin with. Like it kind of opens up his fall as well. And that was something that Rory had mentioned in his press for this week that he called Cam two days after losing to him in the open championship.

Which good on Rory. Yeah. Like, you know, kind of calling him, whether as a competitor, remember the tour or whatever, to, you know, basically say, hey, like, you can, you know, just make sure you're assessing your options correctly here. Which, you know, which after this most stinging defeat of his career, that's crazy.

Just to make sure you had the right information to make the decision, like with his goal as I understood it, to say, hey, we're going to be making these changes. Here's what's going to be happening, which again, as we get to Cam, talking about Cam Young, again, that had an impact on a key player that seems like the PJ Tours is going to be able to retain for at least a short term. But yeah, it, it, um, it's all I think there's one like the biggest theme that's emerging from this is how much less loyalty the international guys have to the PGA tour, right? And which makes sense. Like, yeah, totally. I know. It's, you know, it's like I take a lot of that with,

I put some credence and a lot of that, especially because the tour, you know, I take a lot of that with, I put some credence in a lot of that, especially because the tour, you know, whether directly or indirectly, their decisions and their strategy has affected negatively a lot of the home tours where these guys came from as well, whether it be Australia or South Africa or the European tour. Yeah, and with him goes leash. Seems like this was some sort of a package deal, the two of them, and they'll be on the same team Australia. Another tough one for the killhouse. Obviously, you know, we've, uh, relationship with Mark, we have a relationship with this caddy and, uh, yeah, just not something that we're rooting for. Or again, we've addressed this in previous episodes, but nothing else really to say to that other than, uh, just kind of sucks for

us a little more personally, maybe than it does for golfing nation. I don't think it no offense, of course, to Mark. I don't think it's a enormous loss for the PGA tour, but it's not good in the same vein. But yeah, I think with Mark, it's one of those things. It's like, yeah, he's later in his career. I don't think he'd be the first to tell you. He doesn't work out with coach Joey D or he's not grinding at home on the range. You know, so I think there's something there. So, officially, I probably get to see more of Maddie, which is, it was just cool.

Like, I, you know, I kind of, I kind of see the other side of it too. Like he has a lot more security and do I agree with it or, or like it? No, but do I acknowledge some of the reasons and, you know, why people make certain choices? Yeah, it comes down to family, right? So I don't know. I, you know what, I'll be a fan of the Australian team for live. That's for sure. They've bought your loyalty.

Randy, any thoughts on the, on the Aussies leaving? No, only, only in so far as, you know, it was really strange when you just mentioned Dustin Johnson, like five minutes ago, literally, like, you know, it was really strange when you just mentioned Dustin Johnson, like five minutes ago, literally, like, for God, he existed. And I think as somebody that, you know, I, I think Saul, you did force me to watch that one shot of live competition on tour as us, but as somebody who has not consented to watching any live golf, and not out of like animosity, just like literally, like, I'm not interested. It's amazing how quickly you can forget about these guys. And, you

know, that's not to say who knows where live goes over the next couple of years. But from my perspective, it just kind of stinks that it's like, ah, well, like, Cam Smith, I'm not really going to think about him anymore. I guess the difference being if he shows up in the majors and obviously contends in all of that stuff. But yeah, guys like DJ and even Phil, I mean, Christ, I like, I feel, might as well be retired and not like,

it just they are so far out of my mind. And so that's, I just think that's the shame of it Do you guys think it's a good thing like like let's say camp comes out and wins the masters Is that like the worst thing for golf or is that a good thing for golf and there's like a real tackling rivalry there that You know like I can't decide and it's both because I think yeah, I can't decide. And it's both, because I think, yeah, exiting the ecosystem, at least the proven day-to-day

regular ecosystem where they keep track of stats and we can talk about golf like this. We're like, we can't even, like, let's say we tune into a live tour of it, we can't talk about strokes gained, or like, you know, like, on this level, right? And so, I think it's golf fans, like, it's, you know know it's a loss for us right like we're the big losers but I'll pose that to you guys like it let's say he came out and won it LA country club next year or even one the master's like is that a good thing or is that a bad thing. It is validating for guys and I guess they to start to see a path towards winning majors while not being on the PJ tour and being a part of the ecosystem of professional competitive golf.

I don't think that's a good thing. I think it can trick. I also do think the more we've talked to people and I do think that a lot of these dudes have either received bad information or have agents that are acting with bad intentions that have led them to this. Like it's not a coincidence that like Excel has zero people that have signed with live and GSC has, I'm counting nine now.

Like that cannot be a coincidence. Like that is influence of agents, right? And we do need, I think we do need to disclose our relationship with Excel. We are, we say something like that. We are wrapped by Excel. And Excel is not the only agency that does not have, you know, people that have not signed with Liv just making a point to be like agents have done incredibly well with

this. I was talking about this on Twitter with with Jamie Weir Tony Johnstone tight, time, time didn't said correct. When you have an agent going around at a DP World Tour event, smugly bragging about the $30 million he's made from his player live signings. It should tell you all you need to know about what parasites some of them are. All that to say, like I think it's going to serve as more propaganda for these agents to talk to their players into taking this money because again, they're getting as far as

we know in a lot of situations, getting a large piece of this pie. So. And they're getting netted up on top of, like, beyond the 20%. The Saudis are paying them directly beyond whatever their take home is, in certain cases. Which is crazy. And that leads to, I mean, multiple reports came out, both from golfchannel.com and SI, that have said,

walking Neiman, we'll be going to live. as far as I can tell, as we're recording this on Sunday night, walking and Mito sound like they are going to live. I do not know when that starts. Mito, especially, I don't know if his presence cup status is still a question mark at this point. Sports Illustrated did not report Mito as one of the names to be announced this week. Golf Channel did. And as far as I can tell, it is unsure when Mido is going. And I'm still like not 100 million percent on Neiman. But even as of this week, it sounds like he was TBD.

But both of them named Neiman as going to be going to live. And I, if I'm guessing as we're sitting right here, I think he will be playing in Boston. And that, I think that one is a tough one because one, I think, is the first, and the only to this point at the 23 guys that were in the room in Delaware that unanimously agreed on the structural changes being made to the PGA tour and their commitment to the tour.

And in talking to at least one player in that room this week, the one person that they were worried about going was him mainly because of the GSC connection. And it very much looks like it is time for Mr. Niven to be leaving the PJ tour at 23 years old. And it goes right along with their strategy of kind of, you know, going after owning certain geographies. Yep. Right.

So he's meadowed,aquin South America. Right. I would imagine being shit. I would imagine at some point they make a heavy rounded Sebastian Munoz. Who's GSC as well, which I can't believe they haven't made that move yet. Yeah. So, you know, but yeah, I mean, they've got, you know, and then that's why they've made such a heavy run at Hedecki as well, right? Where they want to own, you know, like I'm shocked, I'm shocked, Sungjae hasn't gotten in the mix, right? Between the Steve Lloyd, sport five connection, plus just, you know, them knowing,

all right, Korea is a massive, massive market. We could, we could easily, you know, throw Sungjae a couple hundred million. And that's kind of where like getting like Tringolley, like that's where like, I don't understand where he fits into the whole thing. Right? Like, let's stay on team in for a second though. Okay. At least, I mean, 15th player, 15th player in the world, he's exempt for next year's majors as of now. Until the those, those changes happen. I mean, he'll be in the top 50 by the end of the year and also off making the tour championship. He'll be exempt. Maybe he's hoping that with this trial in 2024 by that time, the I was dealing with the most mature kid in the world. Like, it just

seemed like a kid who's like really, really good at golf, if I may say. And I just don't know how well prepared he is to make a decision like this at age 23. And again, GSE, there's something to this part of the story. I really do think so. GSE golf Saudi entertainment. Yeah, well, Keen's a bummer. I've really wanted like Joaquin to kind of take that next step. He hasn't, not that he's been bad obviously, but I've been expecting more of a breakout from him. And yeah, it's, I don't. Another guy that's like, he's just gonna kinda disappear

out of my radar, I'm afraid, which things? Yeah, defending Genesis, the LA Open Champion too, really impressive performance there this year, felt like he was kinda making a leap. Yeah. And again, another player whose best golf is probably ahead of him. And I just that, that's what's different about the Neiman and Cam Smith signings, right, is, you know, look, they got Bryson shortly off, you know, a couple years after a US Open win, but clearly not the same player post injury Brooks probably looking as injury his injury history worried about that.

Like everyone else to this point is somewhat on the downside of their career in some way until this kind of wave of signings. And I think, you know, look, I definitely, definitely, definitely stand by everything that we reported last week in terms of everything we were told by multiple, multiple people that everyone left that room in unanimous agreement. That does not mean that no one was going to leave. And this is the first one. Now, if you're taking an especially cynical view of it, now Norman had a mole inside that room. That man is being paid handsomely now for his golf. I would imagine if there's any questions that are asked of Neiman as to exactly what

was shared in that room that couldn't be shared, I'm guessing that is now fair game for the price that they're buying a walking Neiman, which I'm not going to pretend like there was a super secret in there, but gosh, if there was any collusion of any kind or anything that the players shouldn't have done from a legal standpoint, like, again, I don't know how well that all that shit holds up in court here say it all that but there's just something to that now too where they they had a guy inside that room who's now going to be going to live. That's so good. I don't even know what to say to that. Right. Yeah, I got nothing. I want to Tringoli. Honestly. Yes. Who did Tringoli now? Great. Great. Great trade for the tour. Zero loss. Andy's taking up a spot now we're there and live like that's just one that's unbelievable man like like I

mean Randy this is the one this is like six four to six weeks ago where I was like Randy there's they're working on somebody and it's gonna be spectacular when it drops but I can't tell you who it is yet and who is it was Tringale and yeah it's like they're trying to combat the whole notion of these guys couldn't win on the PGA tour. So they're going to live you just nab the fucking poster child for that. The guy who like 54 whole events. He this guy is Taylor made for 54 whole events. I mean, he's just on his statement today was was absolutely batshit outrageous. Oh, it was, I mean, just music to the PGA tour lawyers ears. I'm sure I mean, it's kind of really dawning on me with a couple with honestly with Mito as well, this this concept of the PGA tour spending.

And I was actually talking with a lawyer this weekend. He made a really great point. Like, if I was, you know, one of the lawyers, what I would say is like, PJ Tours literally spent like billions of dollars, like putting up golf tournaments over the years with reputation, like to give these players the platform in which they performed on to get their names to rise to go to live. Basically, like the tour has funded and sponsored not funded but like yeah they have funded I'll say that funded like the start of these guys careers to becoming recognizable golfers

and using that platform to springboard I think is I would have to think a great legal argument for the PGA tour to be like hey we're not this is an anti-competitive like they're taking our talent away so in his statement he acknowled, I want to express my deep gratitude for the PGA tour and their teams across all levels for creating, maintaining, and growing the platform that has allowed me to pursue my dream of playing professional golf at the highest level. Like, Bay, just copy that right into whatever they got to reply to in the next legal one. But he said, he said, thank you to Arnie, which I thought was very classless, not calling him Mr. Palmer. Thank you. Arnie and Jack and Tiger. He said, thank you for creating this market.

Yes. Which literally he said, you for paving the way for professional golf to be where it is today, you have created a marketplace for the rest of us and I'm forever indebted to you. This guy's made the most money of anybody in the history of the PGA tour without winning before. Tiger can never, he can never, little like Tiger can never pull that off. So and then tell us about the Bible verse in his, it is, it is, oh gosh, it was from Mark. Mark 836. And as Tron Carter, NLU pointed out on Twitter, the scripture of that quote is for what

shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world and lose his soul. Which I believe Arkelli has also used that as a as a line in one of his songs. He's fight for his fucking life over here on the PGA tour. of his songs. He's fight for his fucking life over here on the PGA tour. But man, that's just, that's, that's rich, that's, that's rich in compelling. Boutros, Boutros, scam dream golly. I know, you know what, that might, that might be what pisses me off the most is we're not going to get those half a dozen, you know, Boutros, Boutros, Tringoli, jokes each year. That. That's that's what I think we're the big losers here at TC. Yeah, I'm sorry about that for both of you.

Harold Varner. I think this is probably a tough loss for the tour. Look there, you know, he's a well liked player. The tour does not have a lot of minorities on there. And apparently MJ had talked him out of being going to live at one point, but the offer got up and he could not resist. The number I heard is absolutely fucking absurd of what he's being paid to play golf over there and does help me understand him leaving, but this one just seemed, I'm surprised

it took three events basically because he was one of the ring leaders of this going back to February and he seemed destined for it at some point and off he goes. So I mean, also has never won on the tour. So, yeah, you know, competitively, like not a huge loss. Correct. Which, yeah. So like, are they done, I guess, for the rest of the year, they're done like squeezing these guys out. And now it's just going to be like, these are guys for the rest of the year. How many events do they have left? Eight? are guys for the rest of the year. How many events do they have left? Eight? Five? Five? Okay. There are three events into the five events. And then I think they had to be registered. They had to play by Boston to be eligible for like the season long competition. I believe they have to play for to get the final one. So that's why Boston becomes an important one for these guys

that, you know, are not in live yet. They're having a tea party up there. Yeah. This one was in the SI report, but not the golf channel report, but it's very, very consistent with everything that we have heard. Honor bottle of Heary, Bonn will be, so not only do they get the players champ, but the players runner up as well, we'll be heading off to live. This is, I assume a play at the Indian market. I don't know how many people in India are actually watching golf. I don't know the answer to that.

I'm not saying that they're not. I just, that is clearly what they're after here. There must be something to that. I just don't hear as much about that market as I do some of the other Asian markets, but it could be wrong. Not till September, my friend. Not until September.

Yes. I mean, Bob, I get, I don't even, like I think he's gone to, you know, Cornfairy Finals in a few of the past years, like he barely has had a PGA tour card. Right, I mean, he was a great listen on the podcast. Yep, you know? That is the six guys that I believe are going to be announced

tomorrow. Six of the seven, I believe it is going to be seven announced, but I, I do this point, do not know who the seventh is. We've heard a rumor on one guy that I've not heard anywhere else. So I'm not going to say that name. Again, golf channel is in assistant that Mito is going again at some point. I just don't know when that is going to be. So I do not know who the final spot is going to be. It is not going to be Cameron Young. This was reported, Dylan DeCherre reported this and Ryan Labner has a piece up on golf channel.com when asked about his future plans said, frankly, I

have decided to stay. It's a really difficult situation because it's not anything that anyone wanted to happen it wasn't meant to be this hostile between the two. I would end quote I would look towards the commissioner of that tour and I would very much disagree that it was not meant to be hostile. And is he talking specifically to him or like like with regard to them battling over him or just in general? I think in general Would be would be my guess and the article says yeah young was a part of the players only meeting last week Said he sat next to Roy, but didn't offer any opinion on the proposed changes He said that I was there to listen And then he also said frankly throughout the whole process with them. I was interested. He said I've lived I think they have a bunch of good ideas I think they're doing some cool stuff and with some of those changes coming And then he also said, frankly, throughout the whole process with them, I was interested. He said, I've lived.

I think they have a bunch of good ideas. I think they're doing some cool stuff. And with some of those changes coming, that's what really helped me decide to stay and pursue those goals that I have for myself. Now, he's referring to the change on the PGA tour. Like making the president's cup team or writer cup team and winning a major when all that is just uncertain if you go. It's a tough place for me because I'm very young.

There's a lot of factors to it. I don't know what I wish. I wish it hadn't come along at this specific place in my career. So the 25 year old young. Which is interesting. It's that's a lot of words. Yeah, he laid a bear, which credits him for for land all out there. Right? He's been heavily rumored. There's there's as far as I know, there may be more to this story as it comes to Cameron Young. And I don't know if we'll ever hear that story,

but I'll just leave that out there. He's got, and I think there's rumors about his back too, right? Rumors about his back problems. I think I just think that a big takeaway in this is the statement in there that, you know, because of the changes being pushed through, like again, the timing of this move, the timing of Rory getting this group together to talk about it is seems to have already played a role in and preventing one what looks like to be a very promising career.

From I listen, I this is going to sound dramatic. From being saved, I will say, from leaving the competitive golf ecosystem for the majority of the golf that he would be playing. So... Randy, do you think Rob Manfred is advising young Cameron Young? I certainly hope so. Yeah.

With his MLB connection, of course. Sleepy, hot, the connection. Yeah, I don't think we can take anything off the table. I'm glad, Cam Young. You know, I'm glad I'll get to see Cam Young next year. I enjoyed, really enjoyed watching him play golf this year. Guys, I'll be shocked. I'll be shocked if Greg Norman is in charge of live.

Come January 1, 2023. I, and you know exactly how he's going to play it out. This was always the plan. I was always just going to get help launched and then was going to turn it over. I've got many business enterprises that I've run. Liv Golf has been an incredible commitment. I'm so happy and thankful for my time here and can't wait to see with it. I could draft the speech that he's going to make or the statement he's going to like,

they needed a disruptor. I came in and disrupted it. And now they need a peacemaker. And I'm not that person. Ta-da-da-da. Right? And yeah, I tend to agree with you there TC. Cold nose posed a great question on Twitter

on Saturday night. He said, you know, when we posted, we shared the list that had been reported. It's, if you're the PGA tour, are you happy? Are you okay with this? If this was the final list, are you okay at this point? I forget exactly how he phrased it, but you get the sense of the question. Randy, what do you think? Are you okay with this? If you're the tour, you see this list, if this was final, will they be okay? No, I mean, no, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think, I think is okay with it. Now where it could have been and granted what's happened and like if we cut it off

now, could it be worse? Absolutely. So I guess from that perspective, the tour has to be thankful that you know, there wasn't a bigger exodus. But I think it's like, you know, all in all, not good. Yeah. Not good. I think I mean, if we were, if we wanted to January of this year, and we ran off the names, I've got people that have left, the two, that have joined live, we'd, I mean, we'd be freaking out, right? It's been piece by piece and it's hard to like wrap your head around the fact that it's like, dude, yeah,

some seriously damaging names I've left the PGA tour. They are badly, badly bruised, may even have a couple broken bones. And I think to his question though, it's like with who's left? Can you rally around that? Can you build around that? Can you see a way forward? I do think you can. I mean, I think it's easy to make it seem like live has gotten more than they've gotten. If you don't list off the names that are still at the PJ tour at the top, they don't have JT. They don't have ROM. They don't list off the names that are still at the PGA Tour at the top, they don't have to be, they don't have JT, they don't have ROM, they don't have Rory, they don't have Sheffler, I can keep going. And they don't have a lot of the most important names in golf when it comes to talent.

And I think that again, that's going to be what's going to help save it. I really do think. So, I think something that gives me confidence for the PGA tour is the fact that Liv hasn't, you know, either hasn't made a run at or hasn't made a successful run at more more of the stud collegiate players. Right. The Chasara or Chakara kid from from Oklahoma State like he's and I know Puyi's played, but I don't think he took any money like those are kind of the only two that have that are really Of any consequence that are really jumped when it's a prize you if I talk to you that Shakira was GSC But continue no it wouldn't it wouldn't yeah, yeah, yeah, which you know and based on how much they paid him up front

I know you know, it sounded like they kind of doubled what he was even willing to jump for so but yeah, I mean you got the Kudi twins, you've got our boy Ludwig, you've got Thor Björns and you got all sorts of, you know, great, great collegiate players that are, that it seems like more dedicated than ever towards, you know, making their path the PGA tour. Yeah. Raina, I made the analogy a couple episodes back. I don't think you were on that week. It's kind of like a, a viewed a little bit like a baseball team,

right, that harvested a bunch of prospects. And they all kind of got up to the PGA tour, got up to the big leagues squad at the same time. They made a run at it, but look, payroll was just too big. And like they, you know, they lost a lot of guys. They couldn't retain everybody. And now it's back to the farm system to kind of replenish the system a little bit.

And it's going to be a little bit of a next man up I mean, there's already a downstream impact of guys that have left for live that have opened up tour cards for guys that Thought they were out as of a couple weeks ago, which I don't think has been made official yet, but like I mean shit we can get to this David Lindmer did not qualify for the cornferry tour finals until live guys pulled out and he got in on his FedEx cup ranking Which was 207 going into the play else. He got into the top 200 because of guys that dropped out. He just won the nationwide in Columbus this week and is headed back to the PGA tour. So there's like going to be a downstream effect and some opportunities for a lot of guys because of this.

I listen, am I going to pretend that like what they're replenishing makes up for losing Cam Smith and walking Neiman. Of course, I'm not going to do that. But you know, a few years down the road, it's going to be a clearer path for a lot of the names you just mentioned, TC that, you know, Scotty Sheffler was not a household name as of, you know, three years ago. It wasn't in the Carter household, of course, but, you know, not in everyone's house. So, yeah, I think that analogy makes sense. I think what's most interesting to me is it's almost like to further continue with that

analogy, Sali, will these amateurs go in the draft? Will they funnel into the PJ tour or, you know, is it like an international guy that comes onto the market and there's just this free for all. I guess what I'm trying to say is, you know, the, the, the battles seem to be kind of cool for now, but there's going to be a battle over a potential battle over every great rising player. It seems like, could be the case, which, you know, I, good or bad, it's just going to be, it's going to be interesting. It's almost, it feels like a little case for case basis going forward. But if I may say, we are not in the idea phase as much with live, right? I mean, we have,

we have seen the reaction. And you know, a lot of the, the first guys that went somehow didn't think that they were going to get suspended, right? They thought they were going to get OWGR points, right? They thought they're going to be able to play the majors based on their OWGR ranking. Now that they see this trial date that is set, you know, for a year from now, now that they've seen the PGA tour has actually suspended these guys, they've seen Jaymon Hanse. No, I do not see a path back to the PGA tour for these guys. Does that change the decision, right? It makes it a little harder for the people involved to live, to tell lies to these kids

about what their opportunities are going to be. And you can see it very clearly what the reality of this is going to be. You are going to be tanked in the world rankings. You might not ever play in a major if you bypass, you know, playing through qualifying systems or tours that have feeder systems or, you know, that are part of the golf ecosystem, like you can't, you know, you can't lie your way around that at this point. I wonder if that's going to affect decisions. That's not to say, hey, here's $40 million top young player.

Like, you'll never have to work another day in your life if you sign this piece of paper. I still think people are at risk of doing that, but you are, you will be foregoing your competitive golf career as of this moment if you do that. Yeah, I, no argument there. I, I, I just, I guess, to me, it feels like we're, we've, we've kind of ended some battles within a war, but it feels like we're very early in a larger war still. And the trial is going to be a big kind of fork in the road, whichever way that goes. I just, I'm not comfortable enough to say two, three, four, five years down the road. Yeah. How everything's going to look.

God, but certainly, certainly, like at this moment of time, given what we know, totally agree with you. Which yeah, we had a whole podcast this past week with Keith Mitchell, who is on the pack on the PGA tour was not in the meeting last week. I would highly recommend it, especially if you're interested in breaking down a lot of the changes that were made to the PGA tour. We talked one by one with Keith about why they're being made, how they're being made made and how it affects him, how it affects lower tier player, how it affects the higher tier player. I strongly recommend that episode.

So I think we don't need to go totally piece by piece with all the details, but I do kind of want to get your guys' reaction to some of the announcements and changes that were made this past week and wondering, I'll start with UTC, what sticks out to you the most as being the most significant or kind of how it leaves you feeling about the future of the PGA Tour? Yeah, I mean, I thought the earnings assurance program, like I know that's, I think everybody's kind of

misunderstanding that. I think it's more about getting it up front than it is about. What's clarified, what that means, it's for exempt players, meaning cornferator graduates and above, if you are exempt on the PJ tour, have full PJ tour status. You are guaranteed $500,000 minimum. And if you are a rookie, you are paid that amount up front

for the remaining players. If you're an exempt player, have full stats on the PJ tour, but you don't make $500,000 in earnings, the PJ tour will net you up by the end of that year. The difference in what you earned up to $500,000. And for everyone else, it is an advance on earnings essentially, or not really even in advance. You don't get an advance on earnings. The only the rookies get an advance on their earnings, they get 500K to start the year,

and they earn against that up to, and once you pass 500K, you get to collect your earnings. Which I think that's being, you know, you have to go all the way down to 164th to find a guy that this would help. I think the key thing there is the advance, right, like giving it to these guys so they can hit the ground running, you know, get the right trainer on board, do all that stuff up front.

I think the expansion of the PIP from 10 to 20 guys and from 50 to 100 million, probably more as we move forward beyond 2023. You know, it doesn't really, I get why it's important to these guys. It makes it feel a little bit less arbitrary to get more guys in the boat with it too. So I think, you know, taking care of more guys is probably helpful. But what's more significant about this, I want to point this out, this basically the PIP has, instead of it being a popularity contest, one, they're changing the criteria in two. This is essentially their way of paying appearance fees to players because with it comes a commitment to this elevated series of events.

And as Monhan clarified in the press conference, if they do not participate in these elevated events, they will not be eligible for the pit. Yeah, or or participate in a minimum of, you know, 12 over, you know, you know, you know, you know, but but even like, that's where I got so frustrated watching the presser because Jay, Jay bungled that, right? Like he, he said, this is like the dumbest thing he possibly could have said, but since it's clearly not his idea, he's not explaining it correctly, where he said like, yes, the PIP will have a fat,

like we'll play a part in figuring out who was playing in these elevated events, which based on everything that we've heard and the tour clarifying after the fact, is not the case, right? Like it's not they're not doing a popularity contest like much people were calling it their Ricky rule afterwards and it's like no like Ricky's not getting into these elevated events because he's Ricky Fowler because he's finishing

you know 19th on the pip and that's what said yeah for 22 and 20 he said this for 22 and 23 the pip will be used to identify our top players and those making a commitment to 20 plus event schedule. I just outlined which was confused as saying, if you finished the top 20 of the PIP, you qualify for this 20 event series. But in reality, it's if you're eligible for the series and you are in the PIP, like you need to play it basically. If you, if you got this money, you're eligible, you need to, you need to get it. No, I, I don't know. I mean, I guess overall, like I like the changes. I think they're I think

they're a good first step. I think there's a heck of a lot more coming down the pike. I think that they need to make the international stuff a bigger emphasis on as they move into 24 or 25, like getting, you know, making sure that these 15 elevated events or however many aren't just in the United States that you're hitting other parts of the world and that there's, you know, making sure that these 15 elevated events or however many aren't just in the United States that you're hitting other parts of the world and that there's, you know, that there's a definite priority to do that. But the other thing too is like I just, it just doesn't feel like any of this was, was brought on by the tour, right? This was Rory and the players bringing this to the tour and it's like, all right, well,

what the fuck's the tour doing in the meantime? Like are, are they just sitting on their hands like it at the global home, not doing anything. And that's what that's what confuses me a little bit is like they didn't have their own idea. They didn't have any any sort of backup plan or any sort of counter Postal to this. It was just like, oh, Rory, that's a good plan. Let's just go with that, you know, I will say to that Keith made a great point in that if the tour would have come up with this and gone to top players and said, here's your schedule, that would have not gone

over well. Right. It would, that is not the way they, it's got to emanate from the players. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Which, yeah. Rainy, do you have any, any reaction to any of the changes we saw?

I generally thought, like TC said, good, at least interesting, seemingly good first step. The thing that most excited me was the possibility of moving those, I think they're three floating elevated events and kind of taking those to different tournaments over the years. I think would be an awesome idea for all the reasons we kind of are wanting the tour championship to move a little bit. Just being able to see guys at certain tournaments that we wouldn't otherwise get to see them at is always a treat. So I think that was one thing I latched on to that could be could could

really take this from like, Oh, damn, no, that's that's cool. Um, yeah. But yeah, that's I, I, you know, not, not much to add, seems like a cohesive strategy seems like some good first steps. And yeah, you know, kind of wait and see from from here. I do just want to stress like how much of this again is in the works as need to be worked out and Ram was asked about it this week and he said, it didn't go great if you will. He said, look, if we have to play all those 20, meaning, all right, and I struggle with this whole concept, but 20 would be four majors plus the players plus the eight other elevated events that were previously announced right so that's 13

four new elevated events which are yet to be determined so four makes 17 and then three other non elevated events that players have to play makes up the 20 events that the top players are committed to and Basically the question was like hey is that like a lot to ask with for rider cupbers that have to play also four events on the European tour Next year that I don't believe include co-saxon events. I could be wrong on that But it's not WGC's. I don't know if the Genesis counts towards that. So, Rob said, yeah, if we have to play all those 20, 100%, I wouldn't be surprised if that changes, because that puts me in a very difficult position. If I go play in Europe in the fall, like I'm going to, I have to play from January to August 20 times. He said, I think this is my 17th. It was actually his 18th event I've

played basically from January, and I don't know if I could add any more. So, yes, especially with Ryder Cup and having to play for in Europe, yeah, I think it's a bit played basically from January and I don't know if I could add anymore. So yes, especially with Ryder Cup and having to play for in Europe, yeah, I think it's a bit of an ask and I wouldn't be surprised if they revise it a bit of the rule or make an exception for some players. But if they do it for players like me and Rory, they might have to do it for everyone. And then he was asked, do you know something we don't? And he said in what sense? And the question was in terms of changing that policy, he goes, me, no, you're asking the wrong guy.

If you want to know about that stuff, you know who the two players are, you have to ask smiling, also noted in the in the transcript. A lot of people took that as him being chippy as towards Rory and Tiger as being the ring leaders of this, but I didn't necessarily take it that way. I think he brings up a bit. I thought it was like deferential. Yeah. A little bit of like, yeah. He brings up a little bit of the shot. The legitimate concern in this and speaks to like honestly how fast this is moving. For once the tour might be moving too fast on this. And you know, if Jay is going to come out in the presser and say, no, you got to play all 20 of these, which one, what

happens with injury? I got to answer that question. But you're gonna play all 20 of these, and they haven't considered the fact that, hey, we're talking about a shortened season to play the 20 plus the four European tour events that the European guys are gonna have to play. That is a big ass. That's too big of an ass. 24 weeks from January to August is too much.

And so how are they gonna handle that? And that's where they just need to get in the room and iron it out. Like, I'm confident, confident like you can't let Stuff like that stand in the way of like carving out exceptions or like let's let's get everybody together and and work on a Solution that that works for the most people. Yeah, it's like they're philosophically aligned on the important stuff Exactly, you know, you can tweak you can tweak the particulars, but you know You can't tweak the the kind of the larger

picture or the larger idea. I guess going back to the tour, too, it's just, I don't know, I just get the sense that, you know, it's like, Hey, this is, Hey, this is like, Jay's get out of jail free card, which good on him, good on that. And B, it's like, there's a certain sense of, you know, he's finally being incentivized to take care of the best players instead of take care of everybody. What's good for the goose is good for the gander kind of thing, right? Can we talk about James on next?

Exactly. Yes. All right. I would have read a lot and I know we're going to go long tonight. I'm not even going to apologize for this last part of the major of the season. James on this was in golf week from Adam Schupeck just spells out exactly what the issues have been of the PJ tour for a long time. Like absolutely not getting it. Mr. James on and just very willing to speak on the topic, which is my my favorite. He said certain changes were made to combat the live tour,

not necessarily to make our tour any better. To prevent more players from leaving our tour, we are ending up paying the top players in the world guaranteed money that has increased exponentially. Three years ago, we started implementing this new PIP program, which has grown to 100 million. It seems like people who have the most influence on how much money is distributed to the top players in the world have a much stronger voice now

Then they've ever had I understand the reasoning that the money is used to keep up keep top players and without them we have no tour My question to them is when when is it enough? We've gone from 50 to 100 million when is 100 million when 100 million is not enough Will they ask for 200 million? How will that impact our business? How do you say this end quote? I should say, how do you say those two things back to back? Like I understand how they're doing it. You know, we might not have a tour, but man, these top players sure do have a loud voice in the room.

Now I don't like this. I'll tell you what, two James, you know what? When is enough enough with with the TV contract? You know what? Maybe you guys should just said, you know what? We don't need $700 million. Amen. Amen. We just need $320 million a year, you know? I'll just raise that question. He also said it's interesting how things have switched. He said of how top 20 players will have to make 20 mandatory starts to receive their pit money. Again,

quoting purses increasing to 20 million isn't enough. They need guaranteed money to give up their freedom. It feels very hypocritical and could cannibalize the rest of the season and make the other tournaments feel like second class events by asking the other tournaments. Oh, they are second class events. That's exactly what they're supposed to feel like. That's what they are. Continuing the quote by asking the best players to play more and essentially the same schedule. They are going to end up taking the same week off. Are they going to play the Honda Classic with its $8 million perse or the $20 million perse that's surrounded?

I fear we couldn't end up like the ATP where the only only a handful of events draw real interest. These are some of the things we had to think had to think through before we voted. End quote. James. It already is. They did think this through and then voted on it. Like they are fine with exactly what you spelled out here. And again, the, there are already second class events. This is not new.

This is not introducing something a different layer to this. This is not new. There's third class. They're not drawing. I was gonna say, if we're being real, it's, it's the majors. And then you have your second class events. And then you have your third. Correct. And yeah, they're not, the, if we're being real, it's, it's the majors and then you have your second class events and then you have your third. Correct. And yeah, they're not those guys aren't drawing that those fields aren't drawing the top

players anyways. And with this program, they're also like mandating that the players need to rotate different new events that they play. And so again, I don't know how it's going to work out, but basically it would be like Jordan speed every however many years is essentially going to get to most of the events, you know, by cycling these three random events that they have to play. So I mean, shit, the Honda like, look at the Honda. Like he uses the Honda as a perfect example. Well, Honda is like dog. Already bad. It's a terrible. Already bad field. And then from this Honda, the way it's proposed, players that are going to play in a weaker field for the

same purse will also have a chance to play their way into the elevated events. Like those things are going to be qualifiers for the elevated events, at least that's what's proposed. That's still got to be worked out. But the opportunities that come from these lower events are way better than they have been in the past. And he actually voted no on this. Like it's remarkable.

He continued to seek, he going to seek it. Meeting with Tiger and Rory set a precedent of the top 20 players can get whatever they want from the tour. So what's stopping the other 90% of our tour from getting together and doing the same exact thing as Roy and Tiger. It's saying the top 20 players can go play their own tournaments with the rest of the tour us 90% all stand together and we want more benefits. I feel like a portion of the hundred million could have gone towards making our tour Great rather than going to the top 20. These are the little things that irritate the rest of the membership to the point There is a lot of animosity between the haves and have-nots. Play better. Oh my god

Like literally this is what has held the tour back forever that you 90% have held up from this happening a long long time ago And again top 20 players get whatever they want for the tour. If they want, if they got whatever they wanted, it would not include you. You would be gone. Like they're looking after the membership in a way that maybe you have not seen all the way through to this point. And listen, maybe it might be wrong,

but there's no chance you've given this enough thought. Like immediately, a lot of these, and this is kind of what I thought was going to happen with a lot of these lower tier guys. It's just, one look at it to be like, we're getting excluded from this. This is bullshit. When the reality is, you guys have had

it so incredibly good for so many years, the thought of that shifting even a little bit is scaring you and that is what is going to make the tour go away. If that, if you prevent stuff from like this from happening, the tour goes away. This is like the equivalent of saying the 11th man on an NBA roster has to be making $7 million a year.

Pretty much, right? And like, and like basically having a crazy maximum or, you know, minimum salary there, he said the important part in like his third sentence. He said, I understand the reasoning is used to keep top players. And without them, we have no. That's that's your quote to the to Adam Schupeck. It's all you got to say. Like that's it. Don't give it. Don't give us this much. Father, this is a turkey shoot. This is so easy, man. You're making this way too easy. And then like when it comes down to the hypocritical part, like I think we've been saying it for two years is like the good thing is that this is going to make the tour better, right?

This is going to make the tour like rethink something. So this is going to force the tours hand to do certain things that are that are, you know, it's like the top 20 players like they're the top 20 players because they're the best players in the world. They're the most successful. They've earned their place in the top 20, right? And it's, you know, it's not like that we just arbitrarily said, oh, like these guys are the top 20 players because you know what? Those four are handsome.

He hits it the farthest. He has the most social media followers. Like, no, these are the top 20 guys. They're beating you a golf. Oh gosh. Yeah, that was what a fucking idiot. I mean, truly, he's laying it there. I can't believe this guy's on the board. But it's also, again, this guy being a part of the bureaucracy has, again, led us to exactly why we are here, where we are. How many more years is this term? I think, I don't know. I'd have to double check that.

What's the amendment that they do where it's like, you know, you can basically impeach someone for, because you think they're like, senile or the 25th? I believe it's the 25th. You should do that to James. The get a couple of things here and we're not going to get to the full agenda tonight. We may have to do a bonus up. I we have plenty of talk about there's plenty of presence.

Cup stuff we can do into the future. We'll wait for the official list of live signs to get out in front of that. But you guys pump for some screen golf tomorrow sports TGL announced this week of Rory and Tigers new indoor golf league launching in January 2024. Just write up your alley, Randy. Guys, I can't amount. I truly, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all, is how I feel right now. Because I'm sure some people are going to love it and that's great and it's not for me and it doesn't have to be for me. It sounds like the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. TC? I'm not totally opposed. You know, I know it's tough to get Rory and Tiger in the same room

together or the same place and schedules and all that, especially everything off season, but together or the same place and schedules and all that, especially having the offseason, but man, like it's felt like kind of a weird thing to announce. Yeah, timing context of all the other stuff. Really, you know, and then trotting up the mic, McCartley guy, former golf channel exec, who, you know, I don't know, it just, it was a little bit off as far as the announcement, and everything goes. It felt, and it didn't square up great with like Rory's role and all this stuff too. It kind of made it. I disagree with that a little bit. I think a appeal of this, right?

I think why it went out this week, why it had to be, was also like, all right. So there's a lot of stuff going around at the tour of my be good, given up its 501c6 status, whatever going to profit model, not true, not happening. PGA Tour season, January to August, 501c6, nonprofit, charity, to profit model, not true, not happening. PGA Tour season January to August 501 C6, nonprofit charity, all that stuff, maintain the same. Jay mentioned this in the press as well, but opening up potential for carve outs for for profit, for PGA tour members. I don't pretend to know how all that works. But that was a showcase to say, here is an announcement of something that's also going to be great for these top players that we are desperately desperately desperately trying to keep

six teams I think three players on each team is out. Yeah, six three man teams. So 18 players Top 18 top 20 whatever so for top guys here is a for profit way on TV on money nights with Tiger Woods Anything Tiger touches is failproof as far as ratings go with them. Is a way to make some money outside of this normal structure that doesn't involve a practice round, a pro am, caddy scouting the course Thursday round Friday. Like Saturday rounds, Sunday, now the reason why it had to happen this weekend again, I was awkward. I wanted to hear more from Rory about the changes that are going through. But this is to say, like, here's something again, Rory said it as well this week. Who knows when we're going to see Tiger Woods play golf?

Like we're not going to unless he decides to ride the cart, which I'm going to start the campaign. Hashtag ride the cart tiger. Play PJ Tor events and ride in the golf cart. That's a separate topic. We know like we're going to see we won't see it at all. He won't see him walking golf courses on the PJ Tor. So like, hey, on the money night, it was get to see him play some screen golf and like is it gonna be great real golf? No, is it like for us hardcore golf fans? Maybe not. I don't know I'm willing to be wrong on that Am I gonna run through the wall for this concept? No, but if we're talking about from an overall scheme of I think overall We want to see the PGA tour succeed out of this I think that's our best chance for entertaining golf in the pro golf circuit.

And this is a factor towards keeping some of those top players as this opportunity to to make some easy money. Is why I think I'm in on this idea. Again, I don't think I'm going to be that entertained by it. But in that regard, it seems to make sense. I'm not against it whatsoever. I think my issues were just more around the announcement of it this week. But yeah, I get the why, why they did it, you know, heading into the off season.

There's not really another good time to do it. It sounds like they've got a bunch of heavy hitting celebrity investors. You know, I'm sure there'll be some technology come from this. It seems like it's adding more to the table. It's not taking anything off the table for me. If Tiger, you know, comes in, plays a little bit great, you know, so yeah, I think it's, you know, I'm waiting to see. I'm not bullish on it, but it, you know, again, it's like, it seems you know, mildly optimistic. That change any of your thoughts, ready?

Oh, it's so stupid. I have no interest in it. But like I said, that's fine. They were strokes for different folks. Doesn't have to be. I wonder why it's not just in the fall. Like that seems to make a lot of sense, right? If guys want a true off season and then you show up on Monday nights for two hours and do a little work and you head back home, well, Monday's Monday's Monday's. Well, so make it Tuesday nights, right? Like, yeah. Which that would be the opportunity. Or, yeah, or you do it from six to eight on Monday nights as a lead into Monday night football.

Like that's a, I don't know. Well, I don't know if Randy can sign off at it on Tuesdays or Wednesdays, because then it's running into action, man. It's true. You know, once we get into November, exactly, T.C., we got a small window here. That is true.

Randy, I got, I got to admit, I did not carve out a lot of time for the CP women's open. This past week on the LPGA tour. Do you have any update for us on what happened to us on the LPGA tour this week? Did you catch any of the action? Yeah, I watched good good golf channel coverage. Some final round coverage today on CBS. Paula Reto. CBS Paula retto retto or retto I I'm so bad with name guys, but South African her first career win. I always a feel good story. 157th start. So big, big run of weeks here for South African women. Yeah, of course, Ashley Buhay at the at the women's open. And now Paula, I'm just going to go with Reto winning her first event. What, let me read a couple stats for you just to put this into context. Like I said, her 157th start on the LPJ tour in her career to this point had only six top 10s and only 75 made cuts. So, you know, when that truly is, is very, very

impactful for her is going to get her into the end of the year LPGA tour championship. And she held it on. She won by one over Nellie Corda. Nellie is on some good form. Of course, coming back from the blood clot earlier in the year. She comes up just short and who else do I want to shout out here? Lindy Duncan, Randy. Yes. Tee. Second round 62. Second round 62 finishes in the tied for ninth,

gets a top 10. She has a special place in in our heart. She's a Duke graduate, hell of a collegiate career. Hasn't had a ton of success on the LPGA tour to date, but she had this, and I don't know if she still travels with it because I haven't seen her in a while, but she had this big contraption that she would carry with her and construct it on the range. And it was like this swing plane thing making sure swing was on plane and it looked like a science project

It was like PCP pipes and wood and it was it was like a director set It was unbelievable. Yeah, it was and she would construct it and and warm up And then she'll have to take it all apart and like fit into this big I don't know if it was like a briefcase or this big I think you made it with her dad. Yeah, yes I do want to learn what a PCP pipe is But I believe he was a PC pipe, but I Didn't know you like to get wet, ready?

I know. I'm getting so I'm turning my dad. I miss pronounced everything. I get everything wrong. It scares me every day. A PCP. Great result. A great result for Lindy Duncan. And Lucy Lee. She tied with Lucy Lee tied for 9 to just secured through the Epson tour secured her tour card. Of course people might remember that name when she qualified for the US women's open. Before she was a teenager many years ago. Very cool to see her now more grown up. I it's you know she's not old. but she will be good week this week and she'll be playing next year on the LPGA tour, which is fun. So I will compliment the people of Canada, great turnout, energetic fans. It seemed like a good golf course. I thought it was a really good event. So all in all,

yeah, I enjoyed watching it. Tough week for our young hitters though. That was disappointing. Madeline and Lauren missed the cut. I guess shout out here again. I mentioned it earlier as we head towards wrapping here. David Langmerth, I've been fortunate enough to get to be friends with him and his family here in Jackson. I told the story on Twitter, we had dinner with him.

His wife grew up with my wife. They've been friends for a long time. We had dinner about four years ago. And he was just starting to kind of downward trend around that time. And he was telling me about his elbow injury and how it's affected things. And we're having dinner. He just, he set a line during that dinner that just like it haunted me. He crushed me, honestly.

He was like bottom line. I lost my confidence, right? And this guy, at this time time three years prior to that, he had won the memorial. He had almost won the players championship that Tiger won in 2013. Like, he was, he was crushing people out in the PGA tour. And at that, I just remember that line, as I lost my confidence. And it's been a, a frustrating, I'm sure several group of years on every tour, Monday qualifying, battling back and forth corn fairy, getting spots starts on the PGA tour anywhere he could and barely gets into

the corn fairy finals and he goes and wins the nationwide and he's headed back to PGA tour and has had some really good moments in golf in the last year and I hope he makes it stick out there and I'm just very, very happy for him and his family and the perseverance that goes towards that. Four years of very long time to be sticking with that and somebody who's not blessed with incredible physical gifts when it comes to golf, grind to get out is just, this is my feel good story of the week, if you will. So congrats to David.

Yeah. Oh, it's great. Like, they, that about a grit and grind and coming back from injuries and stuff. I think also there's, you know, a few other guys that kind of matched PGA tour cards today, Henry, Norlander, another suite back in the mix. He finished T6. He's up to eighth for the finals. Joseph Bramwood likely headed back to the PGA tour, the slow. Yeah. Although I think he's improved his base of play, Justin Lauer, our young hitter, he's up to the finals for the finals. So awesome. Awesome. You know, the last, you know, a few months have been a grind for him. Almost to the point where I think, you know, I think he finished 126,

they're 127th in the regular season on tour to the point where I think he's anticipating getting in on that number anyway. So he may just skip the skip the last event here on the Corn Fairy Tour just so he's fresh for Napa. But you know what, Swedes just killing it man. Swedes winning on the Corn Fairy Tour, Lynn Grant, fourth win of the year on the ladies European tour. And then I think a sweet one on the challenge tour today too. So huge guys, we got we got to get Lynn Lynn Grant, able to enter the United States. I need her on the LPJ tour next year. Allegedly, from what I've heard is what's stopping her. Guys, I also big news.

Neil just came back from Shinnokok. He played Shinnokok twice the last three days. He got the call about it. Oh, good for him. True. True Strapboy. Yeah, just, just went to his peak. Well, guys, I may say I was worried, you know, we had two hours, basically I was a three-hour limit before I was going to make my fantasy draft. I was worried getting through everything this week that we weren't going to be able to and I think we did it. Now this is the part where TC adds 10 more minutes on, I think. But... Sally, is it a draft or an option? One of both at the same exact time. So I got a little prep I got to do before that as well.

Do you know what your draft position is? I don't. I got to figure that out as well. I haven't thought about this until had to get through this this this this this is working weekend. Come on. You know we work weekends out here. Yeah. Well, thank you. Thank you both. This was fantastic recap of the of the week.

We got a lot of well, I mean, we're obviously going to be potting all through the fall as well, but good to put a bow on the season and have a couple weeks off of PGA tour golf. We'll be attending some LPGA Torgoth. Got some family stuff going on. It's good to kind of put the season behind us. So also Cody and I sat down. Cody sat down with them. I kind of watched. I kind of fall well over in the corner. Because I just like, thisitis is going nuts. But we sat down with John Simpson.

We're up here at the Simpson Cup at Baltic for all this week. Kind of a US great Britain competition with wounded veterans. And we've got a pod coming out with him on overnight Tuesday night into Wednesday. I would encourage your journalist into that. John was a longtime agent for IMG and then set this up. I think this is the 12th or 13th one. And just an exceptional event, a ball to straw this year. It was at the Cree class year. I think it's at Lym next year. So yeah, just a fantastic event, first class all the way and some guys in there that like

some really exceptionally cool stories. So be able to look out for them on Wednesday. Ready any shout outs before we wrap. I failed to mention Danielle Kang came back and played at the Canadian Open. Made the cut her first start since the tumor diagnosis. So it was great to see her back. So special shout out to her. Allie was back on the back for her. So good to see the two of them out and hope to hope to see you're all going to be in Cincinnati for the inaugural

Kroger Queen City Championship near and dear to my heart. So the real Queen City. Exactly. Would encourage, uh, would encourage people to get out and watch the Lays. It's always a great time. And programming note for next week, uh, due to Labor Day, we will be recording and publishing Monday night, not Sunday night next week after recording and publishing Monday night, not Sunday night, next week after live Boston. So here we go. Live Boston preview, of course, will be out later this week as well. Six or seven hours on that. So thank you. As always to everyone for tuning in. Thank you, gentlemen, for being here. Have a great week and we'll see you back here next week. Oh, and what? Yeah, I forgot. The mystery 7th person to live. It's a good idea. So you'll find out tomorrow. Yeah, it's the mystery seventh person to live. It's easy. You'll find out tomorrow.

Yeah, it's joined full to the crowd. Solid, good luck in your dress. Take care. Good night, cheers. Good night, club. Be the right club today. That is better than most. How about him?

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