No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 597: LIV Boston Recap

Episode Date: September 6, 2022

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I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast, a day late Monday, Labor Day edition, Sully here in the Kill House with my man TC, hello TC. Greetings Sully, how's Chicago?

Oh, it was fantastic. I was actually in real Chicago, not just outside Chicago, just like our next guest or slash co-host Mr. DJ Pie calling in from just outside Chicago in Milwaukee. Hello, Pie man. Hey guys greetings. Glad to be with you. I got one question. Is the mustache working? I'm sticking with the mustache until further notice. I just want to make sure I don't look like a fucking idiot. I think it looks great. The mutton chops and everything was working. If those have not been following on Twitter, DJ did pay off his long overdue bet. He has did the mutton chops. He's paid off one of his two Tony Fienaubettes,

still waiting on big range. Randy really wanted to be here tonight, talk about Liv, but he was unable to make it on. Which Randy, we did a trap draw this week with Pooch and KVV. We drafted, each of us drafted eight NFL rosters or six. There's 32 teams, I think. We each drafted the requisite number of NFL rosters and Randy put out a call on Twitter, asking for stakes of sorts.

And a lot of people were applied with. Randy, you can't be asking for stakes when You don't pay shit off of the first place. Thank you for that. I saw one on Reddit today that was the loser of the fantasy football. He has to be drawn naked. And that was like, what am I? That was one of the best ones I think I see. I can get on that.

Can I say T.C., if you don't mind the shameless plug for your own problem? We're trying to get an ad read in here. What? Well, this is very, very quick. I have had no interest in football in years, too political for me as you guys know. But I listened to that entire trap draw podcast. I was riveted. I absolutely loved it. I would strongly encourage people to go listen to that trap draw to you're ready for football season. I

just wanted to, I haven't been able to tell you that. I absolutely loved it. I ate it up. Thank you. And people are all over us. They're like, hey, you just got to keep doing the chop sessions. People are all over the chop sessions. Another good stakes thing. Oh my god, guys. This is the opening read. You have to have somebody follow you around with a sign, like a scoreboard guy, like at a

random, like a random round of golf. Oh, sure. The loser has to do that for the winner. That's kind of fun. I like that. Well, this podcast is brought to you by the trap drop podcast. And of course, our friends at Callaway listened to the same great product as the last,

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Well, I literally just got done shooting one and now I kind of want to put the Apex Blacks into play. So it's, you know, maybe outdated by the time you see it. Maybe hopefully I'll upgrade to the Apex Blacks, but yeah, all kinds of what's in the bag content comments have always been on the lookout on our YouTube channel as well. T.C., what do we have on the slate to talk about today alone? You tried to run off before we started recording here and just save it. I mean, of course, we have the Eisenhower

trophy, which we'll get to on the back end, but just live focused. Of course, we've got to do all the burdens and bogies, all the action on individual side, as well as the team side. And then we've got Joaquin's comments about the atmosphere, Phil's comments about the tour, finding a couple million, a couple hundred million dollars. Third like Greg parachuting in, Abe answering, dirty Mike McAllister talking legacy, legacy, legacy in referencing the amazing crushers team dinner with Captain Bryson the other night. I think that was your answer. I think that was a lehary. Okay. They were ideating. We've got the crisis actor on the 18th whole. We've got, they're, they, they, they can't stop chopping people's heads off in these video, in these hype videos.

We've got the David Ruff tweet about Smash Golf Club. Gary Player, golf sawty ambassador going off on live. Got dirty mic tweaking the players in a tweet. We've got the tour preemptively banning Japanese guys from the Zozo. We've got Varner'semptively banning Japanese guys from the Zozo. We've got Varner's comments about he hates being hated. Bubba saying that he's helping the young guys with life stuff, wedding guests camping and being mistaken for live protesters on site as well as the tour tabling the three event global series. How are we supposed to talk birdies

and bogies with all that going on here? Well, let me ask you guys this is this the Most of any of the live events so far. This is the fourth one is this the most you've paid attention to or cared about The birdies and bogies and the actual golf event TC. I'll start with you. I would say it's not only the most It's the first time I've cared about the birdies and bogies was a great finish I love I think the team's stuff's fire I do like I talked to a few of the guys and they're like yeah like great finish. I love, I think the team's stuff's fire. I do, like I talked a few of the guys and they're like, yeah, like it's, even if you're not in the hunt for winning,

you're still looking at, hey, what do we need to do down the stretch? Is our score going to count today? Should we play aggressively all that? It adds another layer. Just till that point, it wasn't, I couldn't, like, keep track of it though. They're not, they're not doing it right. I mean, I watched it delayed. I wasn't watching it live. I went back to watch the finish because I was, uh, had other things going on this weekend.

But kept being like, okay, who, how, how am I keeping track of that? But before we get into that, Deach, your reaction, birdies and bogies, the actual golf being played. Where, where are you feeling? Uh, God, that's a big question. Feeling a lot, a lot, a lot of things. That's good. It's making you feel things, Steve. Yeah, maybe. I don't feel good though about feeling things.

So that maybe we start there is I'm wrestling. So we were kind of talking about this beforehand and trying to figure out how we're going to talk about it. And a lot of this stuff is I think you got to just got to take your hands off the steering wheel and empty your your mental notebook a little bit. And just, you know, what did you think about? How did you feel when you're watching it without trying to get too deep into, you know, the reaction to the golf and the reaction to the reaction to the golf and the reaction to the reaction to the reaction to the reaction to the golf. And so a part of me is struggling with, you know, this

everything we said about all the sports washing stuff leading into this and how this is exactly how it's going to go and people's energy levels are going to kind of wane and eventually it's just going to kind of become a normal round of golf. And this is the most it felt like that, right? And I feel a little weird about that. I had no interest still in watching Friday, Saturday. I watched on Sunday because it was my job, and I would have way rather been doing some other things.

But it's hard to deny that the last like three holes, and I know they said three holes to go. That's the last 12 holes. Two and a half hours. But it's hard to deny that they kind of knocked a lot of it out of the park as far as the golf telecast goes. And so I'm I'm left a little bit conflicted on what I was watching. How much I'm rooting like still openly rooting for it to fail. I think a lot of what I I despise pretty much everybody involved with this

entire endeavor still. But you can't deny that like a lot of their telecast already feels like worlds ahead of the PJ tour. Like candidly. Why would that be though? Why would that be? Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy what you can do when you don't have commercials that you have to get to and it's crazy that you don't have commercials. You know, I wonder why that would be, right? Like I wonder why no brands have really stuck into a. I will say also there's a lot more handhelds. We've been asked for more handhelds as well. Like it makes it feel more lively and more on the ground and more there. They had one shot of cam.

This was maybe with seven or eight holes left shot of cam from behind. Really, really low angle. And it was just I was like, man, like I haven't seen, I haven't seen a shot like that outside of a major championship, but like a camera angle like that and once. And that's where I'm totally with you, Tron, in that like, solid, you're 100% right. When you don't have commercials, you can really, like, I don't even want to say there's flow, because I still don't give a fuck about any of the golf, right? Like, it is totally scatter shot.

How they're, how they're like, about the run. The shotgun start is asked or continues. Like this is the first time I think I've actually sat down and watched it for more than like I would say 10 12 minutes because something weird happens when I turn it on and it still happened this week. When you turn it on on Friday, Saturday, I just get like deep secondhand embarrassment for like everybody involved. The announcers just absolutely debasing themselves, talking about like it's like the bore on the floor scene in succession of just like who can

outflate the people like putting this thing on. It's truly like the Fulsey stuff. I know like Fulses has been a friend of the program. I've had great conversations in person with him. It's very embarrassing. It's very tough, very, very tough to watch. And literally I have to turn it off after about 10 minutes. So all that being said, this is the first time like that, that stretch of, I can't even say what holds because I don't know what fucking hole anybody's ever playing at any point. But the last three holes of the tournament, I sat and watched it for a good 30 minutes straight. And the telecast is really good, man, other than the announcers, like the golf action. Great to watch. Yes. So so two things on that. One, that's because there's no commercials. You're totally right, Sully. But also, there's just a bunch of shit that the PJ tour hasn't chosen to do. They haven't chosen to like, and there's a lot of reasons why these players are more amenable to having their caddies mic'd up is because they have a fuckload of money. And there's a lot of reasons why these players are more amenable to having their caddies

mic'd up is because they have a fuckload of money. And there's a lot of reasons why, like, you know, that they can do different things. It's because they control truly everything. As much as, you know, these players didn't like the big bad PJ tour controlling them and how much they had to play and all of that stuff. They seem to have gotten over that quite quickly, working for the new overlords. But a lot of the, like, the mic'd up stuff, the camera angles, I'm with you, Tron, and that like, dude, this is stuff that you could be doing.

And I'm not saying that would have changed everything, but it laid bare a lot of stuff that the tour has just been very complacent on. And the tour and CBS and NBC and a lot of the incumbents. Well, I thought we loved the way everything, I thought we loved everything about the PGA tour. We are paid by the PGA tour to say how amazing it is and how horrible it is. I think it is obvious to this point. If we haven't emphasized this enough, like how much it live has gotten right. And their ability to twist on a dime on a lot of things.

I mean, I don't even know if we need to talk about the fact that they're wear shorts now, but it's like a snap of a finger. Like that thing would take six and a half years. Greg of course you are so stupid by the way if I made of course that is like some revelation Like this is gonna bring so many people into the game. They look fucking stupid I like they should go they should go four levels beyond that and be like cut off You know what you can wear whatever the fuck you want that would be sweet right and then it's like all right Like you know,

you got, you got one team coming out, like, basically shirtless. Right. It's got to wear his cowboy boots. We didn't even have that on the agenda. Read getting out of the car and his cowboy boots, uh, whatever round that was to start the week. But so, uh, just where I'm at on all of this, I respect and understand people that tune into this and are way into it. Like, I'm not going to tell you not to enjoy it. It's like, warm was cotton candy. Well, no, I'm just like, I don't want people to tell people that they shouldn't enjoy this golf. If you're into this kind of thing, if you are soaking up,

everything these announcers are saying, and this is everything you're about with golf competition, I'm not going to tell you you're wrong. I can definitely tell you though, that's not like why I love golf. Like, I need to know, I like watching. I can definitely tell you though, that's not like why I love golf. Like I need to know, I like watching the end of a round and knowing there's three groups ahead. This guy's on 18 and this guy's on 16 and I can track exactly what's going on.

Whereas the shotgun start finish thing is too much chaos for me. There's just no context to any of the shots. They flip over to this guy and they flip over to this guy. And they didn't show any replays. Like Matt Wolf built bent his putter And I was like hey go back and show me that one like that's one thing he seemed like he was having a really good time out there Wonderful time really enjoying enjoying the golf very laid back off. What's his name? Landed his ball on another guy's ball on the green and they went in separate directions

They're like oh, I don't know whose ball went which direction and they just cut to the next shot like that's one thing It would kind of stuck out to me as a, it's not about that. I know, but they also, like the actual broadcasts that we are used to watching actually do good job of replays, I never really thought of it that way. But it's all to say, like, I can't stand the people that are shouting at us on Twitter to be like,

you enjoy it, you have to admit you enjoy this. You have to admit that was great golf. Like that is incredible. It's like, do nothing about that is like what I tune into watch competitive golf for. Like I felt nothing when DJ made the putt. I did it. When they went into the playoff, I like paused it.

I was like, okay, well I'm gonna go, I gotta go show. I don't care who wins. I really don't. I was kind of curious to see how the final, you know, holes went or whatever. But once it was like between those three in the playoff, I just didn't really care who won. I think that is a sign of how I feel about it.

That is the true essence of how I felt watching it. And I don't know, I guess I'm really getting frustrated with people trying to tell us how to feel about it. So I think I was kind of trying to synthesize, you know, like a lot of people have been texting, like why are people watching this? Like who's into this? Who thinks this is cool, whatever? And the way I kind of break it out, I think there's like three

groups. And I'm not even saying it's like a third, a third, a third, but let's just roughly say that it is. I think it's a third people that you mentioned, Sally, that are like, Hey, man, the PJ tour fucking stinks, which it does in a lot of ways, I, especially the telecast. I think I think we've mentioned that before in this podcast. But it's a third people who are just like, man, I know these names and it's on YouTube and there's no commercials. And I just kind of like watching golf or I just like having golf on in the background. And I like having Mike Depp caddies. And I, that's, I'm not overthinking this man.

Like I just, this is great. I'm in. I think that's a third of very real people, right? And then the last third of Jason Coakrack fans, of course. Oh, they make up a big chunk of that first third. I think the second third is like, old, I don't know the right way to like, choose my words here, but like the people who are buying like the tactical t-shirts and tactical sunglasses and the people who see Greg Norman parachuting in and are like fuck yeah, like old people who are afraid to die basically who are like really not coming in terms with their mortality

Who are just like I fucking love golf and I hate that the like all these other people who all these other people who like the PJ tour are too old and Dorky I'm not like that. There's's no way I'm like that. I'm fucking cool Like I think there's a good third of those people who are just like no, no, no, like this is awesome They got music on the range this rule. This is like me and the boys out there I think there's a big chunk of those people who are taking it very seriously and don't realize they're the joke kind of is what I would say and then I think there's a third of people who are just like hostile, hostile, contrairions that are just like, you don't like this, then fuck you. I love it. You can't wait to hear how much I love this. And like those are by far the worst groups. So I think there's probably a lot of you listening to this podcast. Fuck you.

You are the worst. I put in my Twitter profile. I love you. You are the worst in this entire conversation. I cannot stress to you how much like it you're not getting to me It is just like it's humiliating to watch people like just exactly what you said like you have to fucking you liked that You liked that. It's like no you clearly loved it like yeah go ahead man like knock yourself out You love it with so much to be doing. You have any number of other things rather than watching this. You love it so much that you have to go out of your way

to just tell me how much I love it instead of just actually sitting and enjoying it. But that's the best summation. I get at least, am I missing anyone who might be watching this? I think that's pretty much correct. I think fans of a certain former leader, I think probably are big

times. I think they're pretty firmly in the second two. Well, the second, yeah, the second. The second. I think, no, I think I, you know, I watched it. I put it on out by the pool on Sunday afternoon, watching it. And it was great. I had no interest in watching Friday or Saturday. Really, I tuned it on.

And I was like, oh, there's like no context. And then like the shotgun start makes, makes Friday and Saturday even worse than they normally are. But like Sunday, yeah, I'd rather watch that than like the 3M. And just and that's where I'm kind of add to is like a point of, you know, of course, a very fair and balanced show here. But a point of clarity is like, I don't watch a lot of Thursday and Friday, PJ Torgoth either. It feels very rudderless. If you're not, I know I'm harping on this, but like if you're not going to mic up a player, if you're not going to have a storyline for me to follow,

it is Randy said it. I referenced it all the time, but Randy said it. It's so perfectly on a podcast like two years ago, three years ago now, where he was talking about watch. I remember vividly, he was talking about watching the memorial. And it was like Thursday, Friday round, and it was just like, all right, welcome to the memorial. Hush tones, jack Nicholas.

Okay, what do you think? You want a ROM shot? Here you go. Okay, you want a Jason Day shot? Oh, here we got some of those. You want a Ricky shot? Here it comes. Oh, you're never gonna believe that this put might go in. And it's

just so like it's like the screensaver bouncing, you know, around around the screen, like there's just it's completely rudderless. And that's where I'm with you TC. And like I had no interest watching this Friday Saturday, but I really largely have no interest watching the PJ tour Thursday Friday Saturday, a lot of weeks either, unless it's Riviera or the players or something like that, which I think that's what we're kind of arguing for on the tour front of like make the tour events matter more.

Yeah. And then have less tour events as well. But I also, I, I, I am overcome with the feeling of the more talent they add to this does not add to a level of enjoyment, right? And so you brought this point up a long time ago, Deeds, that was like, all right, we're relatively new for me, the one fans, right? If somebody came up to you and was like, Hey, Max Verstappen is not one of the hundred best race drivers in the world.

Like there's this whole other league where the real racers are. And for me, the one is just like just for show. I'd be like, cool, I don't care. Like I'm really enjoying watching for me the one. Like the way they've packaged it makes a lot of sense to me. Whereas the cam and DJ battling it out, the fact that their world class players doesn't, like it makes me just more sad that they're not really a part of the competitive, real competitive golf ecosystem anymore, right? That's, that's kind of where I was too. Sorry, sorry to fill a buster here,

but I was thinking about this a lot this week where there was a lot of proclamations on like, oh my god, this is such a huge loss for the PGA tour. I can't believe Cam Smith is going, which I think is true, but I think there's a big difference between like a massive loss for the tour and a massive gain for live, right? Like it is a huge loss that Cam Smith is not in a run of the mill field. That sucks. But am I going to like tune in to live to watch cam Smith? No, like I really don't care. There's about three people on the planet that I would like we're I was a brunch with some some refuge folks on on Sunday. And it was very much like, do you think about if if there was a golf tournament on right now, how many players would make you like, check, please, I got to get home.

I got to go watch this. And there's two, three, not the most, right? And like, so I think where a lot of this stuff kind of susses out is like, it's like the biggest strength and the biggest weakness for the PJ tour is the same thing, which is that people tune in to watch the PGA tour, right? And they don't tune in largely to watch specific people. And so it's great when they do tune in to know those names. And I felt that watching live, right?

Like it's great to tune in and be like, Oh, it's Bryson. I know him. Oh, it's Patrick Reed. I know him Dustin Johnson. Cool. But like those are not the people who are driving the ship, right? Like the the PGA tour itself is the entity that people are tuning in to. And it's just a matter of like how much water, you know, that boat can take on before it sinks, right?

Like how many of those people can it lose before it loses critical mass? And I think, I hope, I think we're like a very long ways off from that happening. I think I'll push back a little bit. Like I know I'm a cam homer, but like but he's a guy that I'll tune in to watch. I mean, he shot 64, 69, 63. And he makes the product better.

I think even if you're not tuning in to watch him, he's not going to make you tune in, but I think he's going to make the people. It's just, it's these small wins that are adding up to to to bigger dubbies for them. Same thing with Waka same thing with a dancer, right? It's just it's like it's just adding more solid guys, but it's just like there's just not that many like like I think the golf was noticeably better this week than it was in previous weeks.

I don't know if that's because they set it up easier to, like I think that was one of my things. The first two or three events was like, they set up the course kind of hard. And even this week, the Greens were firmer than what you would find at a lot of tour events, right? And I was kind of pleasantly surprised by the golf course. Like I don't know, they're just doing some of the hard shit. They're doing it correctly.

They're doing it right. And then, but then it, like, it feels so arbitrary. There's no depth whatsoever. The team thing could be really sweet, but it's like, it feels so arbitrary. And then you got some of these teams that just outright suck, like the nibblicks and the leaks. Before we get into that, I just, like,

if you can, I don't disagree, like, Cam playing on live makes live better, right? Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I better, right? Yeah, I mean, I don't. I don't. I don't think the overall golf ecosystem, I'm not the student either. Yeah, and if you look around the corner for it, like, they're still not gonna get everyone, right? So every like, when that they get just means a further diluted pool of golf,

the fracture golf world that just, that's where, you know, the really short side of my sentence is what you're saying. But a lot of people on Twitter just like, PGA has to let the live guys play, have to. So, you have to see a little bit around the corner, just a little bit into what this means and why specifically that can't happen and why it sucks more and more the more people that are going to go play this, right? And that's the part that I think is truly, I don't know if that's lost on people or

they just want to skip past that part or if they hate the PGA toward that much and love this that much. Like again, I'm not going to tell you you're wrong there, but I'm just saying around the corner of when this thing's like probably stops getting less exciting, less like less curiosity goes into it. They owned this weekend. They owned Labor Day weekend. There was no PGA tour event. There was no NFL football for the last time for this fall.

They're now going to be going up against the NFL and they got they had a hundred time zones at that time zones. Like Chicago and you know, a couple others, but it's mostly like the way to get a rich harvest farm. Yeah, but they had a they had a hundred and just outside Chicago. 180,000 people watching the playoff. I think I saw something like that. Like that would be a complete total disaster if it was a television rating.

Like that. How many of those are bots? Exactly. Probably 30 to 40% at least. Exactly. It is something, watch this space thing. The Friday Saturday telecast never seemed to fluctuate between like 64,000 and like 68,000. Like it's almost always identical to the same.

I flowed. I was ceiling. I would never, I would never, never, you know, a ledge that live would do anything quite as dirty as juicing the numbers. But watch, watch that going forward. Again, just to stress, like, it's amazing. All the stuff they've gotten right for events in.

I would have thought this would have been a hilarious shit show way more than it is. There's still a ton to be very embarrassed about, mostly just the things that people say, but their ability to get all the technical logical aspects of a right, the event stuff seems to work great. Slugger out there, two on the playoffs. Slugger doing the playoff, but it is,

I struggle so much. You can say this about the PGA tour too. I get it as I go to say it, I get there's gonna be a ton of people that are like, well, that's also a propaganda machine. But it's so hard to take it very seriously when you know faults and everyone is just lying about the atmosphere.

There's a couple holes that have a decent atmosphere, but the rest is kind of a ghost town, right? And you know, everything they're just forcing on you so hard, this shot is so difficult. You have no idea. The grain is into them. Do you even understand what that means? How difficult. This shot is so difficult. You have no idea. The grain is into him. Do you even understand what that means? How difficult this shot is impossible.

If he gets this within five feet, that stuff is just like. Like they're in the fucking New England, like there's not that much grain. There's not. And that's where I'm just like, okay, like clearly you're not going after what I would consider myself a hardcore golf fan.

Like I can see right through that. And clearly they're trying to, they're totally vo avoiding themselves of strokes gained or any of these sort of teach. Like they don't even tell you what, whole the guys are playing. It's all meant to be simplified. They have this many holes to go.

It's not for us. And here's his score. It's not for us. That's exactly right. And that's why, again, I just feel like I have to defend myself as to like, no, I'm not lying about the fact that this is not how I want to enjoy golf.

And so. It's like, I'm not going to go get ice cream. Well, this is probably a bad analogy for me because I have gone to dairy queen. Are we going to talk about the street? But like, I'm not going to go get ice cream Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, you know, and get sprinkles on it and fudge on it and all that. It's just not, or like go get a big thing at cotton candy. Like, yeah, maybe like once every six weeks, these teams, right? We're like two teammates, we're like,

this guy sucks, he's not gonna be a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more

like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more stuff a little bit. We're like eventually there's gonna be a fallout on some of these teams, right? We're like two teammates are like, this guy sucks, he's not pulling his weight, that sort of thing, and it's gonna come out on like the, when the teams are better established and all that. I don't know, there's so many different levers

that they can pull. That's where I do think there is a day when I don't laugh when they're like, and here come the iron heads. But that day is not close, right? Maybe like honestly, maybe 10 years from now when there's some team history and there's actual, are there gonna be fans of individual teams?

Is that really gonna be a thing? I'm definitely willing to concede and acknowledge that you can't make that happen overnight. Like that's unreal. The teams are gonna be totally different next year. I guess they're gonna be totally rebranded and everything like that. Cause I was asking Maddie, I'm like,

yo, can I get some punch GC apparel? And he's like, oh, like the team's gonna be totally different next year. And I was like, exactly, it's like a collector's item, you know, but, but no, I think it's- I hope to keep the lowest fireballs. Yeah. Those are my guys. Fireballs and, uh, the majestics are, you know, those are legitimately good names. Well, and you got to break up the four aces, right?

Because this, if you have this much of a, like, of a dynasty in this, a team winning this often, I mean, this is why I'm such a big fan of the president's cup. Is there so much parity involved in that team competition? Totally. And if you have one team dominating the competition, then you know, it's not going to be very, it's not worth tuning in for. Sorry, it's just can't, you can't live up to the the PGA torch flagship team of it. So on the birdies and the bit is over. I'm going to get, I'm going to get a lot of DMs about that. People think it's serious. No, like, like, I do think it's so, like I was sitting in the pool,

and I had it on the TV. We get it, you got a pool, T-S here. And I'm not listening to the sound, and Freddie's like, oh, there's Cam, and there's Leash, and there's Maddie, and like, there's no sound, Dom Boulets, Domass is up there on the screen, and like, it's just, it was total like,

hey, it's Sunday afternoon, and I have a beer in my hand and I'm watching this and it's harmless and it did say like three holes left to play for like eight holes. Yeah, that was not working for me. But like, you know, and I think like the shotgun start makes it feel so much more arbitrary because you don't know what holder on a and then be guys that finish on one or two or like that's baked in, but they're not, they're not going to tell you that. They're not going to explain it to you and everything's moving so quickly.

And it also seems like there's like it's, it's almost too dynamic, right? Like they need a little bit more context. They need a little bit more or different streams or something like that for all the things that are wrong with the PGA tour. The last the finish is not it. Like the finish is usually are wrong with the PGA tour, the finish is not it. Like the finish is usually pretty damn good on the PGA tour and that that's one thing I don't think they have right.

I really don't. I mean, maybe I'm sure we're gonna get some good moments with it, but man, I was really helping Westwood would just stuff that and not chunk it. That's the best endorsement for this being a big golf event at possible that Lee Westwood just totally choked away at 340 yard hole with a chance to win it. But, but that's crazy because he usually slams,

he usually slams the door when he's in contention, man. But that was the more things change, the more they say the same. But this goes back to where I'm struggling to get hyped about DJ winning it. Like, if Lee Westwood, who would almost be on the champion's tour, if he's shooting 62, I can't contextualize DJ shooting 65 to win. In Lahiri shooting 64 and Lahiri has done next to nothing besides runner-up the players ironically. And so like what is this supposed to mean? What does this mean for DJ to win this tournament other than collect a $4 million check?

That's where it is a huge issue to me that there's no ecosystem where I can contextualize what this win means. And look does every win on the PGA tour mean something? And is that something I will swear by? Of course not. But if that doesn't happen for their future events so far at this point, I don't think that bodes well for the future. Solid, they don't even have standings up for the full year.

Like I'd like to see, all right, what are guys at for the years as far as earnings or who's which team? I mean, I know the four aces are cleaning up, but like who's, who's doing well on that front and like you can't even find that. You can find the four events. Yeah, and then, you know, a lot of, a lot of this is because it's not like a sports league. It's an entertainment like fucking circle jerk, right?

Like that, that's what I think we all need to be like very clear about here is like the reason that things mean something on the PJ tour and I'm not, I don't know, I'm gonna try to make this not as I roll is as possible, but like to get like, Tron, I'm sure you watched a lot of the Corn Fairy tour finals this week, which was awesome. There's a context and an infrastructure in place. Like in order to win the Honda Classic, you have to make your way through college golf usually.

You usually got to get through a Q school of some sort. You usually got to get through the corn fairy tour. You usually got to get, you know, play your way into an event like a Honda Classic, it's maybe a bad example because it's got a bad field, but you got to play your way into that event and like you kind of are the pinnacle, right? And, and that can get a little monopolistic, right? If you want to look at it as purely like the peak of the pyramid, but I think that's kind of how it is, right? And so you know, like a win on the PJ Tour means it's not that you just had like four good days. It's that you had probably four good years, right, to actually like get to that point.

And so T.C. what I would want to push back on a little bit is you keep using the word harmless. And where I'm at is like, I'm trying to not be like, you know, so anxious about everything, but like it's not harmless. And that like the more it's harmless, it's harmless for the, for the spectator. I'm not saying it's harmless for me. Right. Yes. And that's where the line is. I'm not saying it's harmless for me. Right. Yes. And that's where the line is.

I think maybe that, I don't know, maybe people don't care about this. But I have seen a lot of the, you know, all you guys have lost your voice. And you used to be like the voice of the fan and blah, blah, blah, blah. And like a lot of reason why it's hard to keep that is because you do this job for whatever. It's been like eight, nine years now. It's like you kind of learn a lot of stuff. And by then, it's like, you can't just like spout off things that are incorrect. And a lot of this is like, once you peek under the hood, it's like,

fuck, man, the more traction this thing gets, the more gasoline this gets in the engine, the more it's going to just absolutely nuke the entire infrastructure. Like, what's their plan to, you know, if the PJ tour like completely craters, like how do you pick who is in live? What's your feeder system? Is it is it all like random dudes on the Asian tour and who has like the coolest hair and who has the most Instagram followers and all of that stuff because like solid. That's where it gets to your point of like what how do we contextualize this because

I don't really know how good any of these golfers are Like the more successful this thing gets the more that is the case No, I'm not the one that you listen vague. Yeah, I'm metrics are like there was a good somebody posted something good I don't know I think it was even on like Facebook and then I got reposted on the Twitter It was like an old PGA tour player. It was basically like oh there about growing growing the game like the PGA tours set up Q school and corn for a tour and PGA tour. Well, Tina America and BJD Canada ID who the good players to sign would be. It's like Dave and then and then of, you know, basically put all of this on for the last

50 years and do this. These qualifying events every year and do Monday qualifiers and all that. So it's a democratic ecosystem that, you know, there's, there's, there's promotion and relegation. Now granted, is it a perfect system? No, but I think they're working on fixing a lot of things we bitch about. And it's like that, that is literally growing the game. Right. And so also to this point, like Dustin Johnson winning this week, the only thing that tells me is he is the best out of the sellouts. That's Keppka's word. That's not even our word for the people that have gone to live. That's Brooks Keppka's own words for describing people that were losing was, yeah, they're going to get people that sell out. Like DJ was the best of the sellouts this week. Like that's depressing to me. That sucks. Like I want know who the best golfer is that week, not the best of the people that were willing to leave the competitive golf structure.

That's just where it totally, totally, totally. People could probably push back and that gets back to the changes that the tour is going to make or a lot of weeks, we don't know who the best golfer is that week anyway because there's three of the top 20 in the field. you know, or because or because the setups are shit. Yeah, because like they talk to putting and punting context. Yeah. Yeah. Lots of it still talk about here, but also, uh, I mentioned this was the last weekend without NFL football, because football is back. The first Sunday of the NFL season is here. Is this is another trap draw read and draft King sports, but an official sports betting partner of the NFL is giving

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I know. That was like your office space kind of glitch in the matrix there for a while. You were really, really talking a big game about how you were going to, you were going to really hammer that one. But it was I could see around the corner so easily of like that. The international's were going to be up 5.0 after day one.

It's given a baritone ice. If I did that, there was that was the only way the international's were going to win. It's if I laid an uncomfortable amount of money on that one. My international's had a big team building thing last week. Oh cool. I'll pick well. What are the odds you're going to make that squad. I'm not going to be there. I'm going to be at the Ruse Club Championship. Captain Trevor was

pissed when I told him swear. No, but like Sun Jay and Tom Kim and Adam Scott, a few other guys, things and then some of the plumbers and firemen went up and played Quail Hallow Camilla Vijaygas was there as a assistant captain. I'm stoked. We may have an international team member on the podcast this week if I can if I can tease that one, if you will. So can we talk a little bit of birdies and bogies? Sure. Deach, will you allow me? You can talk. I'm not going to have anything to contribute. So please knock yourself out. DJs are obviously killing people. Uh, you know, bond steps up, Neiman steps up.

Westwood shoots the 62. There's not been a single 66 66 in live yet in, in the four weeks. Uh, Cam Smith comes out 64 sixty three misses the playoff by one good continues to play well co-crack showing some signs of life can we get an official sponsor for the tc down the leaderboard now that we have live leaderboards to get through to might be golf sawdie the way he's talking about uh... are you guys your guys sedom

uh... saddened uh... he was on the first page of the leaderboard for a while but we don't know if it was him or one of his look alike. Um, the, uh, all right, what's going on? Guys, what's going on with C-1 Kim? Well, yeah, C-1 Kim shot 87, which is sick. The 87 63 T.C. Let's get both of those in there. That was possible. I was at TC. Let's get both of those in there. That was the only thing that I'm going to do.

87. That's a throwback. What's going on with a couple of these teams? They kicked all the Japanese guys out. Which is, that's got to be a good sign for Hedecki's long term future with PGA Tour. Right? I would think so. Which also like that honestly goes to show probably how well a lot of this has gone to this point and how

Slick they've been with a lot of their maneuvering, right? And basically angling to have a Japanese team, you know, quarterbacked by Hadecki, obviously they're aiming to have an Australian team quarterbacked by Cameron Smith They got their guy there and then when they don't get their guy with Hadecki, the Japanese team is just gone Just goes to show like there is a lot of stuff going on that they have again are getting right and have maneuvered properly and probably way easier than they thought they would. Well, it's also interesting to wear like they gave Neem. So they kick out everybody from the from the torque GC and then they bring in Neem and he's the captain on that one now where you would think Neem and would have been on with the

fireballs and they would have kicked your Henni O'Lope as to the curb there. But Neiman gets his own squad. He's a captain. So he's going to get all the endorsements. Because the captains, I think. Well, I think there's another South American that will be coming to that team after the presence by all rumors. But then, it's just bizarre.

So clearly you've got Stinger GC, which is the South African's. Is that the one that looks like the colon? Well, they two of them look like colon's. Stinger and smash. Okay. Uh, all right. So for a, just like running down the teams that this week, for aces is obviously.

Can I stop you? I don't give a fuck about anything. No, hold on, but I think it's interesting. You're just so stupid. No, this is the whole thing. It's all made up and like. I know, it's fucking ridiculous. It's stupid. the whole thing. It's all made up and I know it's fucking ridiculous It's stupid. It's fun to make fun of and fun to talk about

Like the majestic's who's this guy that they added this out curd guy? Well, that's because Stenson had to go with draw with vertigo Yeah, after Gary player killed his ass Which a broke ass and then the the the iron heads came out of nowhere this week. They were fourth. Torque was fifth. Fireballs tied for six with punch. The high flyers getting a little bit of juice going with scam tree and golly wolf michaelson weasepurger. The guys that I think need to take a long look in the mirror. They suck. Smash the capca brothers. Peter Uline shot 75, one of the rounds and Jason Kochrack,

who's the very team right now. Those are the guys that our guy, David Ruff said, looked like they were waiting to be sat at a twin peaks, which is one of the funniest tweets I think I've seen maybe ever, honestly. That was in a long history of great tweets. That's a pretty good old from Dave Ruff. And then it's clear that the cleaks and the nibblicks are just kind of like the like the leftovers right the cleaks have blandly Lori cancer Martin Kimer GMAC they finished 11th and then the nibblicks finished a distant 14 shots behind the cleeks, Turk, Pettit, James Piot, Hudson Swafford, Harold Varner, and interestingly enough,

Varner not listed as a captain. Oh, that's Bob's the captain. Okay. And Bob is talking about how he's excited. The captain or life coach? Well, both. If you type in Bubba Watson life coach into Google, it's like, it says like officially, like, you know, how Google kind of frames certain stuff and it says like Claude Harmon III and it gives you the dates and everything.

Can we pause to just highlight how much in a hurry Bubba was to join Liv that he joins before he can even play. Somebody once somebody called him the the live mascot this week and I can't get the image of the golf sixes mascot out of my head. And I'm just picturing Bubba going around with like actually being the eye and live or something running around. The golf sixes walked so that live could run. They were they were truly willing to do any of this dumb shit. The one the one quote that stood out for me from Bubba and this is all from afar. I would not pretend to be an expert on Bubba's finances. I'm sure he's done great. But he was talking a lot about investing and like teaching these guys. He owns a candy store

in a minor league baseball team. Like he's like a that's like they shit you invested when you're playing like the board game life. You know, like congratulations. You have a 10% stock in the Pensacola wahu or whatever. It's gonna buy a water park. Yeah, I think it's a car tracks. Oh, congrats. You're now a doctor. No, no, no, but Bubba's only joined. He played the Saudi international only because he said,

the more money I make, the more I can get it in other people's hands faster is what he's rationed off for playing that was. So endless and that very well might be true. I'm sure he's, I'm sure he's given a lot of it away. But I, I was more looking back at, very, I got to check my facts on this. But didn't he tweet out, like his schedule going forward. And when all those people were like pledging their field T shout out to Ram to the PJ tour. And they were, you know, when Dustin issued his ironclad statement about

how he was rock style with the PJ tour, Bryson of course. Yeah. You hear anything you're going to hear from me, not from the No-Ling-Up podcast. We really, we really whiffed on that one. But the above, tweeted out like, here's, you know, basically like, I'm with the PJ tour, here's my schedule. And it was all a bunch of weeks that were going up against live events. I'm guessing clearly knowing that he was going to have surgery and he was going to be out and he wasn't going to play any of those events and then he was going to go to live me after that. But I that could be a little reading between last year,

freaking April 13th, planning out my summer for those interests. And here's a look at my upcoming tournaments, casual Zurich classic, Byron Nelson, PJ championship, Charles Schwab, RBC, Canadian Open, which is opposite of live event, a Traverse Championship, John Deere Classic, also opposite of live event, and was Rocket Marga jobs at one? No, I don't think it was, but he included two of them on here.

Solid, you should do that. You should tweet out like, you know, USM, USM, USM, US Open, we'll be, we'll be covering the PGG and GFG. Super Bowl, because the four balls that week, yeah. On the golf front, anything else working? Like I think the range set up is sick, right? The teams on the range, the hospitality on the range, like I like hanging out on the range when I go to like, you can see a bunch of players warming up.

It's that's kind of where some of the juices. I kind of like the range thing. So here's where I probably didn't watch that part on TV. And there's no fucking way I'm tuning in, you know, six hours before this thing finishes. But it's what what it does feel like they're going to be a victim of is what I constantly refer to on this podcast as like the Pebble Beach syndrome, right? And I was thinking about it. And I remember, so the buddy of ours, Ben Rector, singer-songwriter, you've played in the Pebble Beach

program this year, and he played with, he was out there with Huey Lewis and Peter Jacobson, and he's texted me every day like, dude, this is, I'm not trying to be over the top. This is like the coolest thing I've ever done. It's unbelievable. Jacobson's telling me all these unbelievable stories. It's just so cool.

Fans are so cool out here. I'm like, yo, that's great for you, but like, I don't telling me all these unbelievable stories. It's just so cool. Fans are so cool out here. I'm like, oh, that's great for you. But like, I don't want to watch that on TV. I have no interest, no interest whatsoever. I'm sure I can't even express how happy I am for you that you're doing that. That sounds amazing. Does not translate to me over here.

I do not care. And that's a little bit of what it feels like. Oh, it's falling from afar from afar is like the people on site seem like they're having a fucking blast, man, right? It seems great, but I think they're on a music festival. Yeah, and I really don't, I don't totally know how you're gonna get that to translate to a TV product at any point.

And that's where like eventually down the road and I would be speaking out of my ass if I even speculated on any of this stuff, but where like eventually down the road and I would be speaking out of my ass if I even Speculated on on any of this stuff, but it's like Down the road it really seems like they got to make some money at some point and that has to come from a TV deal or Sponsors or whatever and it's just It's gonna be really interesting when the rubber meets the road and you it's not just a big blank check like make the people on site have a really good time. And you got to really bring, like grow the tent.

Like you said, Sali, it was a dream, absolute dream week. And there's 180,000 people watching, which is what, less than a tenth of what would be watching a really bad PGA tour of it on network TV. Well, and third leg Greg is basically, like they joined the anti-trust suit. And he's basically saying, like,

hey, if we don't win this, like it totally defeats our business model or, you know, that sort of thing. Like he's like spelling that out in the lawsuit. But Phil said that he's moved on this week. So I don't know if that lawsuit's gonna continue or not. But you may have forgotten to inform the courts that he moved on.

I hate like even circling back on this, but I just again need to, like we can't, you can't ever talk about this that he moved on. I hate even circling back on this, but I just again need to, we can't, you can't ever talk about this without just acknowledging that it's all for just cash. That's like immediately, Cam Smith, walking Neymann,

start parroting these talking points, immediately about live golf, the minute they get, it tends if not hundreds of millions of dollars from the league, right? And that's- Walking Neymann called it the best experience I've had on a golf course by far, being in contention with the crowd, just seeing the crowd so young, you can feel the energy. It's way different.

This guy won the fucking Genesis last year. He played this year. He played in the president's cup at Royal Melbourne against Tiger Woods. Like you're telling me, all right. I know we could make fun of the president's cup, but we against Tiger Woods. Like you're telling me, all right. I know we could make fun of the president's cup, but we could, can we admit that has got to be the coolest golf experience you could have. And he also won, he won the Greenbrower. Jim Justice has hit it out on all those hundreds to the crowd.

Yeah, I can't, she has to do that. How patently dishonest can you be? And then Cam before even hits a shot in it. He's like these guys will say whatever you want. And that's where it, but it's working on a lot of people. It really is. Like Cam before even hits a shot in it. He's like these guys will say whatever you want. Exactly. And that's where it, but it's working on a lot of people. It really is. Like Cam before even hits a shot.

It's unfair that they're not getting. Under 90,000 people. Yeah, that they're not getting world ranking points. Like, no, it's very, very, very clear as to why you're not getting world ranking points. Okay. It's very clear as to why it is not unfair. You chose to go play in this league that is not complying with the official world golf rankings by like six of the criteria. It is not unfair that you're not unfair. You chose to go play in this league that is not complying with the official world golf rankings by like six of the criteria. It is not unfair that you're not getting.

You're not being unfairly persecuted by not getting world ranking points. Which is another example, I think, of like kind of what I was saying earlier, where, you know, if I was sitting on a bar stool and watching this and whatever, it's a totally rational fan take to say, like, hey, why, like, these are like some of the best players in the world. That's bullshit. They don't get world-breaking points. Like, yeah.

I could see why somebody would say that. 100%. For sure. But man, once you learn about like the criteria of what it takes to have a ranking system and you try to think about the process of having a new tour in that ecosystem and the fact that they've had 50 tours

that have had to join this thing over the years and there's an established way to do it. And like all these little things, it's like yeah, you can't, it doesn't really work like that, man. I know it sounds good on Twitter, but I hate to be the the bearer of bad bureaucratic news here, but like it's just sometimes life don't be like that. And that's kind of what the PJ tours up against is just a bunch of like, very like being like the guy in front of the classroom of teenagers who are just like, why the fuck can't we watch a movie?

This is so stupid. And the tours like, well, let me explain it to you one more time. Maybe I'm not doing a good job explaining it. We talked about the golf stuff. The broadcast front, we talked about kind of what's working. I think what's not working is the leaderboard on the side. It just, it never shows me what I want to see, never shows like the right team stuff.

Troy Mullins is terrible. Like legit. Troy Mullins is head and shoulders better than, is it Sue Ann, I believe is the other one is, is Mucho not good. I am, you know, although I would say I would like Baleonis and, you know, some of the, the on course reporters going forward to let the players know how proud of themselves they should be. And they won't walk off the course. That was, you guys see them sticking the, sticking the mic in the face of the guy who got hit with the golf ball?

Oh my God. He was, yeah, that was, that was what I'm talking about. That guy just wants to see the tours get along, man. It was not helping their case that it was not a paid crisis actor, but he just immediately start, gets hit with the ball and then says, I have the PGA tour and live just need to get along, man. They just need to get along while they're playing the 18th hole. And then somebody tells him to take his sunglasses off his hat, takes it off and it's of course

a Trump hat that he's wearing here, which again, you can allow to you guys like stop making this all about central mass, man, central mass, stop talking about politics. Like how the fuck are we supposed to ignore it? When this when the the previous live event, they were chanting, let's go Brandon. And this guy is using his moment on TV to show off his... And by they, you mean legislators of our country. Correct.

Correct. And influential media people and former leaders of the country are doing this. How messed up would this be if these events were being held in Obama national? And Obama was out there leading chance chance like saying fuck the Republican president like how messed up with that me can we acknowledge that this is not this is not a political stance to say either way this would go is not how I would like to seek off go either way regardless of what you think

of my political beliefs that's not that's a negative in the column for sure. No, I think I think it would look exactly. It's funny that the people that are saying like, keep politics out of sports are the ones that wanted it, keep them watching it and don't agree about it. That's the only thing they care about. Which can I do another trap drop plug? Do you see I'm pumped for you guys to talk about

Trump claiming that Zuckerberg came to the White House last week to have dinner with him. I thought that was a really good point, but we'll take that to the trap. The studio that they're broadcasting out of on site looks like it looks like one of those little small hotels in like a yotel or a little tiny little box. Almost like those things you rent at the at the airport that are like the little you know minute sweets or whatever Like one of the breastfeeding yeah, exactly a lactation room. Yeah, yeah, like mixed with like some star Trek shit. It's crazy But you got some n evens comments about the atmosphere. Yeah, you guys want to talk about very shooting in yeah Of course, Greg.

Like that's my other thing is like they're begging to be like they're saying like, hey, like we want to be taking serious and all that like, fire Greg Norman. The guy's a fucking buffoon. Monahan versus Norman is a million percent the you versus the guy they told you not to worry about me. Like that is, you know who he is? He's Mark Wahlberg. What's the movie?

The other dad or whatever it is? Where Mark Wahlberg, daddy's home. Is that the movie? Daddy's home. That is Greg Norman. Yeah. Just totally trying to pull off this cool guy thing that anybody that has known the guy can see straight through it.

But fuck man, that guy's ridiculous. He's just like a pathological liar and he's just like not a good guy. And it's like, I feel, you know, like this is gonna blow up and some of these guys, there's gonna be a pathological liar and he's just like not a good guy. And it's like I feel, you know, like this is going to blow up and some of these guys. There's going to be a gotcha moment for a lot of these guys of science. Like, oh, yeah, by the way, you have to play six Asian tour events or, you know, oh, by the way, you no longer have a franchise. All the schedule for next year does not look very good for coinciding with major championships.

Some of the most amazing, the wildest around the world trips they got to make are around major championships for next year, the tentative schedule. That we've seen. Are they like the week before major? I'd have to, I'd have to, I don't think they were actually, actually date on there. I think it was just months. Yeah, it's like what, they're going to sit in,

in April, they're doing like Singapore, I think right before that, they're doing, what else? They got Valderama on there. They got, I think, Dove Mountain or the Gallery down there in Tucson. They've got an LA one. I assume it, Trump Los Angeles. There's a DC one at Trump, Virginia, Trump course as well.

Yeah, it's, one thing in the positive column for them though, is like for this weird test, this is really like a test run for them, right? They're doing it, as Neil said, building the plane while flying it, they're doing it live, right? All those things considered wildly successful, like wildly successful,

it will look a lot different when they go to start next year. But again, I just cannot imagine that it's going to, I truly, truly peak my interest. And here's where I'm kind of at with that too, is like you said, going up against football, it's going to be a no-brainer skip for, I would say, most of, you know, for a good bit of of those people. As a PGA tour. Right. Again, it's fucked up that you can kind of just make the YouTube numbers say whatever you want. That's going to be really cool going forward. But the, I think I know we've said this a bunch, but a big, big, big amount of the intrigue

this week was, it's Cam Smith's first week, it's honor bonds first week, it's the free agency stuff is going to Wayne. And I just really, really, really think like these events start going to Singapore and the Middle East. And those events, it's like, it is going to be like, I was texting you guys earlier. Two months have gone by since I remembered Matt Wolff was a golfer, right? And some of these guys are going to have their big splash first week, right? And it is going to be like, Oh my God, cam Smith, what a loss. This is unbelievable. This changes

everything. And I think it's probably going to be until about April before I start thinking about cam Smith again. I would have to think on cams thing. The more I hear about cam from people, the more it's like, it sounds like he just wants to play golf for another five or six years and then like retire and fish for the rest of his life. Totally. And that is, listen, man, again, if you're exempt into the majors and you know, you're probably not all that loyal to the PJ Tour in the first place and someone's gonna give you hundreds of millions of dollars, like that's, it's pretty hard to make the case. Cam might be like Jimmy Johnson, 2.0. That's it's pretty hard to make the case. It might be like Jimmy Johnson, 2.0.

It's just, uh, I don't know, man, I think I think I don't want to say this is the peak, but I think it, you know, is going to get less exciting. Yeah. Before it gets more exciting. But this is also the point. I feel like on a week to week basis, we've been able to with relative accuracy, predict what's getting right to happen. Like who's leaving?

Who is, you know, who, get an idea of who the next wave is, and what's gonna happen. It's all face at this point for the season. Now, I don't know. I do not know what happens next. I really don't. Yeah.

In the next six months, in the next year, I truly don't. I cannot imagine it just continue status quo wise. Like, I don't know how they're gonna pull. I don't know if they have another wave of guys coming after the president's cup or what that might be. Now, do they go back to, I'm just pulling names out of a hat. Do they go back to Cantlay and Xander and is that number double?

Like the money means truly nothing to them at this point. Like why wouldn't it, right? That's what Keith Mitchell was saying. Like, dude, this is not going to stop. Like they're not going to stop dangling this money in front of people. Guys that were in this most recent wave had money amplified, went up 50%. One of the guys money went up 50% and he ended up signing.

And so it is not to say that it's done happening. I just truly don't, I think people have chosen sides as of this point, but now the next step is, does the money get so ridiculous that it's just like borderline e-response? Well, at some point it's kind of the startup mentality, right? You're like, even if you don't have a functioning business,

as long as you're taking on fundraising and have excitement and everything, and it feels like it's growing and scalable and you're this sexy unicorn out there until you're not, right? And then kind of, you know, the music stops and it's like, what next, we don't have a functioning business, right? And I don't, I struggle to make this point because I'm not, I don't root for the business of the PGA tour in any way. So I I don't root for the business of the PGA tour in any way. I, so I definitely don't root for the business aspect of live, but I think is a huge problem

and hurdle for me knowing that it's not market forces at work like rooting for this thing, right? The fact that the money so outsizes the actual value of these players that we know it doesn't, like, they're not getting a return on that makes it feel super unsustainable and beyond that like it's a fucking rounding here for the Saudis like if the price of oil goes up You know a dollar it like It pays for live for years Thousand times over right like it's it truly doesn't matter. Oh, yeah, or also if it you know If the price goes down in a couple years and they are looking to cut a couple

billion from their budget, it would probably be a pretty easy cut as well. And also made what $48 billion in profit in the second quarter alone. Ramco did, I think it was. And of course, Ramco and their, who knows what they're doing from a accounting perspective as well, before it goes into revenue, it's probably dumped into the kingdoms coffers even before that, right?

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about the organization. Regarding the terror group, ISIL, you do not under any circumstances, quote, got a hand into it. Yeah, that was a bit of, a bit of how I felt as well. A lot of just, a lot of like white nighting on a lot of this like live,

I can't even look at live. This is absolutely this is just an an atrocity of sports washing which all of which I largely agree on and a lot of that just goes out the window. It's like, well, you got to admit that was pretty good statement. Good to see him play it. Good to see him. Just tell it like it is, man. It's like, well, cool. Man, what a bunch of guys. You guys know I. A lot of, a lot of easy marks out there, I think. He said his wife told him, you know what? Fuck everybody. Fuck everybody. He's like, I don't, you know, I hate being hated. Which again, that's what the money is for. Yeah. Again, if you're going to take, you know, if you're going to take, I'm not even going to guess at how much money he got, but I think based on numbers that we've heard, it's an exorbitant amount. If you're

going to take that from the Saudi government to go play in this fake sports league, like, I think fuck everybody's probably the attitude you should stick to because that's pretty clear how you feel. I think I'm looking on trying to find a statement on his profile. He may have deleted the tweet that had his statement in it and that where everyone was gotta, got a hand at to him. Love a backbone like that. It's just very, it just, it's just, yeah, I think it just speaks to like how beaten down people are.

Which, the only thing I will say is we've been asking somebody to just say it's about the money, basically. And that was about as close as we've got. But like, just never lose track of, again, what you're signing up to do. And it's to go carry water for the Saudis, right? And it seems like, yeah, more and more media people are being influenced and encouraged to be doing this.

I don't know, dangling access in front of them has turned people into huge live fans all of a sudden and want to throw grenades at us. Just keep an eye on that space because that is not lost upon us of the people that are given a platform by live and access to everything just so they say nice things about them.

I hope you guys are getting paid. I really hope you are. You are totally messing up the market of lives not paying you guys a lot of money. And also I would say, you know, much like the players. If we're not there yet, just you got to double our offer. You know, maybe we'll come around too. Yeah.

That was a joke. What else we got? We got the chopping the heads off in the videos. I think we got to. That was a joke. That was a joke. What else we got? We got the chopping the heads off in the videos. I think we got a... Tell us about that. Each day's pointed me in this direction earlier in the week. I just thought it was very interesting. They did a hype video, which I think this is what really

crystallized my, this, I think it was the second third of people that I described, of just like, friend of mine, Charlie Worsel is a writer, who just texted me about it, like who thinks this is cool? And who is rooting for these like millionaires to go to these like bad parties and like seize these close-ups of the shrimp cocktail

in these sizzle reels and just like fuck yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. Cody Lovester, baby. Get the bag, Coke rack. Fuck yeah. Fuck everybody. You see, can't choose.

How those awful. It's like white, high heel kelwood boots. Oh, that's that's where like the second hand embarrassment kicks in. But again, I would I would shout out our guy Jason Page for the, I think you should leave mashup, the dangerous nights, sloppy stakes, crew mixed with the live, the live sizzle reel. If anybody's a, I think you should leave fan. I, I, you get a very big kick out of that. But they keep using this, this one. So, so, so they, they, I don't know why they thought it like they did it like twice. And then I think they were like, holy shit, after effects takes forever to like do this frame by

frame. So let's just not have any more of those. But it starts with like paparazzi's head being like, like, like, I, like Terrence and miss. Oh, very Terrence and Philip. That's a great call. I, you know, unfortunately called it a decapitation was corrected by many people and that it was more of a recapitation. His head was kind of decapitated from his body and then spins in a playful way back onto his shoulders. So I think nothing to worry about there. But just to, you know, again, I'm not trying to be cheeky, not trying to be clever, not trying to have anyone have the worst day of their job. Shout out to I think you should leave. But just I would probably something I would have stayed away from, you know,

considering the client, considering kind of the tone, the brand, I think anything with heads being chopped off is a stay away. I think that's got to be in the brand guidelines going forward. I think I think your editor has to be aware of no decapitation stuff. We're not doing that. That's a hot button issue and we don't really want to bring it up. We got to talk about Phil's victory lap here. And his interview after I don't remember which which round it was was a Saturday or something where he's you know makes makes a comment. I think the fans are getting a lot of benefit out of this and all golfers all professional golfers

are getting a lot of benefit. The this and all golfers, all professional golfers are getting a lot of benefit. The guys on tour are playing for a lot more money. It's great that they magically found a couple hundred million dollars. That's awesome. Phil, we've been over this a dozen times now. It's so, but it's so perfect for the people that eat up what he has to say. I'm like, oh, yeah, that Phil was right. Phil was right.

Look, he got him again. Look at it. We're the best boy money. Look at all this point. They found a couple of million dollars. You got it, you got it, mate. You right. Film was right. Look, he got him again. Look at it. We're the guys. Look at all this point. They found a couple of them. You got it, you got it, mate. You got a hand to do. You got it, mate.

Me going to live and disrupting the entire ecosystem, put the PGA tour to an existential crisis, and they had to dip desperately into their reserves, and hit up their sponsors for a lot more money, and they haven't even called them yet, putting them on the brink of not being able to pull this up. You got it, mated I did that. I was the way I was kind of thinking about

a lot of the reaction to this was it sounds like people being like, you know, you got it like, I know Richard Reed didn't go about it the right way. I know that. But you got to admit shoe bombings are almost, they're basically wiped them out. You know, they don't exist anymore. That's how a lot of people kind of seem to synthesize.

How about Mr. Player? Well, can we say that was kind of not to hear what we expected? There was an entire sports illustrated interview with him, which again, you have to view all of these interviews through the lens of the fact that what we know about the contract that the interviews have to be approved. Which is sick. But there was, it is just a Q&A interview with Bob Herrick of Sports Illustrated and.

Kind of, honestly, it was pretty embarrassing on Bob's front. There was a lot of, Bob's Bob's been very good on a lot of this stuff. This, this, a lot of these questions were like, Phil, how awesome are you, man? Just, just talk about how awesome you are. Is James McNeill approving all the questions? I don't know. It reads like, here's what we'd like you to ask Phil for this exclusive, right?

Like, didn't you come up with these ideas? Basically, it's essentially the vibe in it. And yeah, it's just, again, and just for, I encourage anyone to know, if you're gonna hear interviews or read interviews with these players, it is gonna, they have to be approved. Like, again, it's propaganda. That's if you're going to hear interviews or read interviews with these players, it is going to, it's good. They have to be approved like that again, it's propaganda. That's what that's what you're reading.

And I do not, I'm yet to find it. I would love it if somebody could point me in the right direction where Phil was trying to organize all the best players in the world to come together to say, Hey, we need to play on, you know, together like, let's do this as a group. This is what I want to do. We all need to get together more frequently. Play for higher-pursus. We're cannibalizing ourselves.

Let's get in the same room and hash this out. Well, Sally, I will say as well, like, it's definitely going to go over well with the rest of the players. The rank and file when Phil brings it to the table. Most of whom hate Phil. Yes. Like, hey, listen guys, like, this is very similar to like,

with the perfect messenger for that, right? Very similar to what Bryce said. He tried to do the same thing as well Yeah, nobody fucking likes you man. What do you want to do? Bryson like you couldn't even get elected to the pack There's like 20 guys on the pack So yeah, it's it's again the victory lap that is gonna all the live fanboys are just gonna jump all over it and all the Facebook Comments are gonna be all over it and it's just, man, it's just not how things actually work.

And it would, I don't know, it's just so frustrating. I think I'm waiting into the territory. I'm thinking about this a lot, obviously. It's like the only fucking golf thing that any of us have thought about for 18 months now. But I'm getting to the point where I don't know that we can really do the reaction to reaction stuff anymore. I think we might need to just, might need to just stick to the point where I don't know that we can really do the reaction to reaction stuff anymore. I think we might need to just stick to the facts and what's going on.

What do you think of it? Like I'm just like, cool. People want to feel that way about feel like they're clearly fucking idiots and like, it's not, it's not, it's not skittin' off my back, right? Like I feel like, every that's in the boat, it's in the boat right now.

People that want to dip their toe into the live, that's fine, but I don't think it's gonna, you know now. People who wanna dip their toe into live, that's fine, but I don't think it's gonna, I think people with half a brain in some sense can kind of, nobody's gonna think about this shit until the majority of the populace is gonna wake up the week of Augusta next year. You're like, oh, what's going on with those live stuff?

Like my dad, 100% my dad's gonna, like, in April 1st, he's gonna be like, whatever happened with all that live stuff. For sure. You know, and it's just like, like it's only a big deal if you make it a big deal and like let it bug you for the next few months at least, right? And that's what I think I was kind of getting to is like,

I think for a long time, probably definitely for way too long. And that's why we find ourselves in this shit show probably. There was kind of one set of facts in the game of golf, right? And it was kind of like, here's where the people play, here's the tournaments that matter, the telecasts fucking stinks. So basically all we can, all we can really talk about is like, you know, Tiger or Jack, is Roy the next guy, what's going on with speed, right? And when everybody's on the same page, it's very easy to do that.

And now that it's just like a literal line is kind of like drawn down the middle and it just becomes so us versus them. And like, I'm not even rooting for something. I'm just rooting against you is where it's like, okay, cool. Now we're the same as the rest of everything. Like now it is, it is politics. It is sports. It is fucking movies. It's music. It's like, it's everything. Like our little oasis, I think, might be, might be done. But the majors are going to be sick.

The way I just want to go back to to fill. And again, there was issues on the PGA tour and the issues in a way have now been addressed because of Liv, right? But it was, and it was never. You got admit. You got admit it's because of Liv. I got admit.

I will. A hundred percent will like, nobody has not admitted that. Nobody is, nobody is saying that. That's another. I think that there's a huge void between they magically found $200 million and this is happening because of live, right? Like it's not, I don't know how to say that, right? There is a, the tour need to be pushed

to the existential edge. All this can be true. Most causation and correlation. Yeah, like you could not have made these changes without a completely irrational actor coming into threat in the entire ecosystem, right? Yes, yes, 100%. But you can't do this, but you can't both take credit

for it one while leaving. Like I'm not trying to actually address the issues there. Say you're moving on, I've moved on, I'm my focus is all I live now. The lawsuit is titled, Michelson at all. Like it is you are the one suing the PGA tour to continue to be able to play there. You cannot say I moved on

and I'm totally focused on live and be suing your former PGA tour. It's almost like fills a sociopath or something. Yes. And I just can't see that coming. I just can't believe the people that just laugh this shit up. Speaking of sociopaths, can we get to Gary Player? Yes.

I wish we had Mr. Van Volkmer here to read this off, but player said I wouldn't take a billion dollars for my nine majors on both tours. I worked hard. I had desire. I traveled the world. It was an education. I met wonderful people. How can you ever be a champion playing on a tour with 54 holes in no cut? He goes on, this is to Joel Beale, and keep in mind, Mr. Player, golf Saudi ambassador, as well. Actually, these words carry a little extra weight. What sort of tour is that? 54 holes, no cut, a team event, and nobody understands.

It's a tour for people who don't have confidence in their future. They don't have the confidence that they can be winners. It's never gonna be comparable to the regular tour. No chance, they've declared war on the PGA tour. The 86 year old then also turned his fire on Cam Smith, the Saudi funded Rebel tour's latest star recruit. Here's a young man I really thought was going to be a superstar. Now what sort of future does he even have? Player said, will he be able to realize this great dream of being a champion? I don't

know. I don't blame Stenson for going. He had no money. So he had to go. But this is a potential superstar. I think his advisors have given him the wrong advice. I have a total drive by on Stenson. Which is true on Stenson. As you're saying that, T.C. and I'm thinking about like, yeah, Cam might just, you know,

get all the money, retire, go open a coffee shop and fish every day is like, yeah, what kind of future does that guy have? So yeah, that actually is. That's the light for that. That's pretty great. I don't know. I just Gary player being like the moral, you know, that makes me question everything. That kind of blows up the whole foundation of what we're saying.

I'm fucking out. This guy's on our side. This guy got a key to cheating in the skins game for that. He did on camera. That's what you wanted to win. That's what you wanted to win. Bad guy. I got, I was at a wedding, my sister's wedding this weekend and I got a ton of questions.

No, no, no, you weren't out of way. You performed yourself. I was like, this year. Yes, get your West Virginia jokes in there. I'm married my sister's wedding this weekend and I got a ton of questions. No, no, no, you weren't out of way. You performed yourself. I was like, this year. Yes, get your West Virginia jokes in there. I'm married my sister. Your sister hates West Virginia. A lot of people were asking me what the mate, what's the master's gonna do, what's the master's gonna do?

And I found myself like, I guess being surprised a lot of the, that was a question. During the ceremony there, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sir, sir, sir, sir. Four questions here at the back. Str yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sir, sir, sir. So, a short question here in the back, though. Strong man with tears in their eyes. But I've been resigned to like, I don't think Augusta is going to do anything about this. Do you guys feel differently about that?

Should we just take a temperature check on? The other next one up, as far as deciding if their eligibility criteria stay the same. I mean, it's kind of like, it's just going to like, it's going to fix the glitch, right? So the world right, what I mean, I know over this, but the exams plan, though, I kind of disagree in that like I, I think they are going to, I don't know. I'm, I'm truly like 51 49 kind of a, I don't really know what's going to happen, but I was thinking like thought exercise of what would happen. It's kind of easy to rip the bandaid off if who the people you have to ban are like Phil, Bubba, Sergio, I mean Dustin kind of sucks, but If he sick, if they ban any will it, even though he didn't join ZJ, but at all. So if those are the past champions, you got a ban, I would say

But at all. So if those are the past champions, you got a band, I would say other while Bubba and filler massively popular, but much more with the crowd that you're talking about, Tron, who is not going to think about golf until April 1st. But after that, yeah, the glitch kind of gets fixed with the world rankings a little bit, right? If like, I don't know, I think it would be, it would be a little bit of a, kerfuffle of front. But after that, I think it, like, I don't think people would

really care all that much. It's an invetational. It's a, it's a, it would be an extremely strong statement. That Augustine National, I don't need to say this, is not the PGA tour. And this is the PGA tour's fight, right? And Augustine has tried hard in recent memory, you know, less so in recent memory, but in the not so distant past was like, very much like, hey, we're clearly not the PGA tour, like try to distance themselves as much as possible.

Yeah, which like if we're talking about the two, the two brands, I don't play them at all for that. That's a, that's a very smart move. So what would their real motivation for that be? I, I don't know. I think it, like you said, the OWGR is going to kind of, that's going to kind of solve itself. They had this five year criteria dangled there for the open champion this year. I think it would be wrong to take that away from Cam Smith. I think that's earned. I think that's factored into his decision to leave. I think Dustin's decision to leave as he's exempt for through 2024 or five or however that counts out for that major.

I think it would be unless it had been clearly communicated, which we've heard rumors that it has been communicated to players that they have said, hey, you're not getting through the gates here. Unless it was very clearly communicated to them before they made that decision that they would not be allowed to play, I think it'd be pretty tough to take that away from him. Because I think that's the one thing keeping Danny Willett out of this, right? Is like he finished outside the top 125 on the FedEx Cup this year.

Like he doesn't have a full PGA to work hard anymore and all that. Like what's the stop him from jumping? Essentially just the masters. So I don't know. Did you guys see the wedding guests thing? I saw the link. I didn't click it.

I need a I need a recap. So these people were like hosting a wedding on their property. They've been big a lot. They live next to the golf course. And the golf court, the I guess there was a disputed property line. These people were camping on the side of the lot,

on the side of the wedding. The local police came and rated it at sunrise one morning because the golf maintenance crew thought that they were like live protesters that were gonna storm the golf course in protest. Crazy. Crazy. What a week.

A lot of shit. And then I saw the tour finally like table the global event series. Yeah, I think with the new kind of to kind of get back down by the federal players. But goddamn, they need to. That's not a new so sure. Yeah, it's not an awful, but they need to get they need some of these elevated events need to be international man and not just the Scottish open like. Well, even even that, like, how do you make the Scottish, like that's a national open, right? Yeah.

And then you're just kind of LA opening, you know, doing the same thing they did to the Genesis, which is great. I love Riviera, and I want to see all the best players there, but it kind of sucks that the LA Open is not the LA Open anymore. But yeah, how many great memories you get in from number 121 through 156 that are not involved in that? I mean, even like 15 years ago, like the LA open was like a lot of guys skipped it, right? It's yes. Well, to all the critiques of the new world ranking system, I think, you know, again,

people have been way too quick to jump on what was originally reported that they're doing 60 person no cut events for these elevated events. That has not been decided on in both 60 player fields and no-cut has not been decided on to this point. Not to my knowledge, at least definitely at the time of that reporting, not accurate. Now, the New World ranking system... I'm a collegeical business. Not that I have heard of.

The New World ranking system is going to encourage players to have bigger fields because it is now counting every player in the field. Whereas it used to just count the top 200 in the field that would go towards the points. The tour championship got a big cut this year. BMW had a big cut compared to last year. And in the next year, but even less players knows whether they're going to get hit pretty hard based on this new system. So I'm guessing players are going to look at that

and say, hey, we're kind of hurting ourselves by making this two top heavy of a field. Let's have 100 guys. Let's have 120 and let's have a cut because that's going to contribute a lot of world ranking points to the only events we're going to be playing. So I think that there is, I'm interested in, I think I would love to Scottish in the Irish.

If the DP World Tour is... Not the Irish, if they're going to keep posting it, it dogs shit. But listen, the DP World Tour's got to get something out of this, right? Otherwise, they have made a bad deal and they're well-made. Do something on the mainland then, you know, or do something like, move it around all over Europe, right? Or do, you know, I'm assuming Wentworth would be. That would be good. The option there. But like, you know, the fact, like you got to go to Australia at once, you know, at least once every other year, once every

three years, you got to go to like, I'm going to push back on that because I don't, I don't, I think they've tried Australia. I don't think it works. I don't think guys want to go there. I don't think the players want to make that trip. I think the tax rate is horrific. The guys get taxed at like 60% of their winnings or whatever there. I don't think it works. I don't think guys want to go there. I don't think the players want to make that trip. I think the tax rate is horrific. The guys get taxed at like 60% of their winnings or whatever there. I don't think it's gonna fit well in the schedule. And I think the TV times are very, very not good in all likelihood for US markets.

So I just, I think they've done that. I don't understand that at all. Like the TV times are great. It's in prime time here. Well, if only in how's that work. You got to play it, you got to play it at weird times there. Like they played the president's cup at weird times so that it would be in time.

I think. I mean, it's like, like play that in the morning there. So it's in the prime time here. But yeah, no, I get it. But just having like, and I know they're still gonna have the Zozo or the CJ cup or whatever, but part of the reason we got into this issue in the first place Is because the rest of the world doesn't feel like there's any connectivity to the PGA tour, right?

Yeah, but I would argue that's not the PGA tours Roll but it but like Brori is said like I want this to be a global tour, right and the better You know and some of that money gets unlocked through global sponsorships and all that when you do have a presence in London and a presence in Japan and a presence in, you know, Mexico City for sure. I guess where I come from on this is like, I, does it make a ton of sense to have events in Japan and Korea, huge golf countries?

Yes. Do I feel like I'm winning as a fan? I don't. Right. They happen in the middle of the night and I'm just like, you know, it feels like something we should we would be saying on here, like they should have an event in Japan. How they not have an event in Japan. And they do. I know COVID is kind of through that for a phone that for a loop, but it's been, it's been not the most convenient to watch. But also like the tour also hasn't done a good job of like marketing or making those events feel special either, right? And also, on again, go back to the on-site experience that on-site zozo look fucking awesome.

Yeah. As well. Like, I think it's, I think it's pretty, pretty lit up over there as well. So I'm willing to take a small, you know, a small loss on our front or DVR something for, for a large international game. A very American point of view here, but I think like Also, what is driving the tour is like American corporation business, right in ratings like that's yeah But that's for now, but that's all a risk. Yeah, yeah

Like that's why that let that train of thought is what's gotten us partly into this situation. There were some There were some wide sweeping Comments about Lahiri's presence in. That was great. Luke LV. Greg Norman, he's not going to fuck you. Okay, man. He's not going to fuck you. Like, hey, say for hey, Katie, that's unbelievable. How unintelligent Luke LV is. And if, if the masters hires him again to do their commentary on one of the featured holes or featured groups. It's a joke. Like the guy, I don't think I've been so embarrassed for somebody in a long time.

Hey, Caini, I hope he's getting paid. God, I hope he's getting a lease a little bit of money. Otherwise, just watch people debase themselves just to just out of a, I think it just comes down the floor, baby. It's a hate for the tour. They just like totally lost themselves in this shit. Speaking of born on the floor, cousin Greg was, uh, he was playing golf the other day. And it is.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it comes as I know in New York. Can we talk some corn fairy? Let's do it. Like I'm so there's so much other golf shit happening this week. I was excited. And let me, let me preface this real quick.

T.C. Because I was, I was excited. And let me, let me preface this real quick, TC, because I was, I was thinking about a lot of this. And I would love nothing more than to just like kick the door down and be like, this is bullshit. What people should be watching is the corn fairy tour finals and the LPGA. And this is what real golf is. And I, I do believe that, right? Like I'm, I'm all in. I thought the, the corn fairy tour championship was unbelievable to watch. I had a blast watching it.

Is that realistic? Like no, right? Like if there's a hundred percent capacity of like people's brain space for golf right now, 90% of it is taken up with live. So I don't want to, I know that's not what you're saying, but that's just kind of how, what I was wrestling with in my head is like,

do you know how easy we just did an hour and a half on live stuff? And we could easily do another 90 minutes. It's all I can fucking think about. It's all I can talk about and like squaring that in my head with like every dude that gets off the golf course at this cornfer event is crying their eyes out because of how much it means to them and going to the PJ tour and they can't even like look at the camera, they can't look at their family. It's unbelievably awesome.

It's so cool. And in a perfect world, that would be the centerpiece story of golf. And it just sucks that that's not realistic, right? So I just want to... Or if people need to take some time off of golf, do that too. And we'll talk about this stuff that you missed

while you're away on the podcast, right? So I think Justin saw one finals, fully exempt for 22, 23, one of the reasons he's in points and the finals points. And he gets in the US open. He gets in the players. You know, also it just goes to show you two. It's like how, I don't know, there's this big debate this week about Pearson Kudy. He won this year in the kind of a condensed season after NCAAs and all that. And it's like, Hey, I think they fixed this glitch to where the guys graduating from PGA

tour, you get almost a full season on the corn fairy tour starting next year or starting the year after. I think it's starting next year where like the season's a little bit later on the corn fairy tour. The finals will go in October and you know, the guys coming out of college will get nearly a full season where that didn't happen this year. So I think that's kind of, you know, fixing itself, but also like he came out and like if he gets a top 10 or a top 20 this week, he, he, like he gets his PGA tour card. He didn't do it. Play better, right? Like

I don't think it's still a meritocracy. It's, you still got to earn your way on. Like I just, like I totally get that there needs to be pathways for guys to earn their way up and, and quick promotion and relegation, but also like, just, just play better. Like other guys like more a comma did it, you know, like, speed. Yeah, like, yeah. Well, Gordon did it and he's, his back in the corn for the first time in a while.

Exactly. He needs a little bit more seasoning on the, the full corn, you know, corn, like I, like, all right. Like he needs a little bit more seasoning on the the full corn, you know, like I personally, I don't think his game projects quite as well as some of these other guys. You know, I think he's got a like a high floor, but maybe a lower ceiling. And it's like, I don't see that much harm in him going out and having to apply his craft on the corn

fairy tour again next year. They're bumping purses up. And it's like, all right, then next September or October, he's starting on the PGA tour. Or really, I guess it would be next January, or January 24 because they're not gonna have the wrap around season anymore. But like, I don't know, there was just a whole lot of like griping about,

you know, all there needs to be like, he's automatic almost pathways to the PGA tour. And it's like, I don't think we need to just need to give these kids like automatic exemptions to the PGA tour. If they pass some arbitrary eye test or no handouts on TC's watch, there'll be no handouts to this tour. I agree with you. They're, go ahead. Just is not perfect. Right. It's, uh, Zalator is spending too long on the corn fairy tour was a COVID related thing. Yeah. Do you think there should be some kind of blending merging of points, right?

Like if you get sponsors, if you are a stud and you're doing really well on the corn fairy tour, you got your card locked up and you get like a sponsor's exemption on the PGA tour, like figure out a way to make that count towards something on the corn. But this is also a positive a benefit to what they could potentially do with this new tiered system. Yeah. Right? Like you can easily have connectivity between the corn fairy tour and the kind of the regular

level PGA tour events. And like there, there is more promotion and relegation on that front versus now it's just like, you know, like, yeah, you're going to have these situations like as allotaurus or piercing kooty this year or, whatever, but it's also like just and so went out and got it done and crushed everybody. We'll go to the same thing. It's like he didn't have, he had, he barely had status in the beginning of this year, you know? And I think there's, I forget who was either saying it or tweeting it or whatever, but

the, the whole Sheffler thing and how much he credits that full year on the corn fairy tour as kind of making him into, you know, basically like the literal best player in the world, I think it's just a really interesting conversation to have, right? Of what's actually better for the product capital T, capital P, is it incredible turnover and is it getting these guys in there as fast as possible even if they're not actually ready and yes

Maybe like they they do turn into world beaters and some of them do but probably most of them won't or is it like the baseball Approach almost where it's like no, no, no like this Your clock starts now. You're gonna be up in three years and by that time, like you're going to be one of the best short stops in professional baseball, right? Is like, I don't know, I don't know the answer, but I think it's like a pretty interesting case by case, right? And I think it's it's something to where, you know, part of the knock on the corn fairy tours, they need to play on better courses. They're working on that, right? They're trying to go to better venues to better identify who the best players are, they're going to translate to PGA tour horses instead of just having birdie fest and wedge competitions.

So I think it's, you know, you got to look at the whole ecosystem. But I do think, you know, one thing that they could do in the near term would be like more connectivity at least with the opposite field events or with some of these lower tier summer events because it's just like, it's crazy to me that John Houston and Omar Eureste or team it up six times a year or whatever, and these guys can't get a look on the PGA tour. Well, and not only that, but also how Asuna and I do that to have guys afraid

to try to qualify for the fucking US Open, because they might miss a corn fairy tour event. Right, and I get why people make that decision and have made that decision. But yeah, there's got to be some, I'm, TC, show me your petition. I would sign it. I'm in.

Yeah, so a few other things. Just five more guys did get into the top 125 on the final FedEx couple list due to some of the live departures. So, you know, like the 126 through 130 basically got in. So Matt Wallace, don't call him Mike Austin Smotherman who, like, I was kind of shocked to see him lose his card. Our guy Justin Lauer, Doc Redmond, not a real doctor, Danny Willett and Kelly Kraft.

I've seen. All got in. And then so Nick Hardy was the first guy out at 126. He got in via finals as well. Which is awesome. That's a cool story too. Right. Coming back from injury and clearly like, you know, if not a world-beater, a pretty freaking talented player. So good to see him get back. I did see a scam champ finish 127th in the newly updated FedEx cup standings, which are too difficult to find the actual ones that I know that's

kind of a technical thing. I just rely on what TC tells me now. Because I don't want to find it. I just fixed the website, man. Like I know the apps, but the website is, that's why everybody went to live. Oh, shout out to Carson Young, longtime pod listener. He's like, how good was it,

you see his interview after, after round? So good, he's got the shout out to most ashes everywhere. He's got the, out to most ashes everywhere. He's got the looking almost like a 2014 Ricky Fowler stunt double sort of a look that he has going on. But I mean, God, man, that's the stuff where I really started, you know, feeling things when you're watching is like he was talking about how he had to go to Q school and he's facing this week where literally if he doesn't get to Q school and he's facing this week where literally if he doesn't get through Q school, he's going to stop playing pro golf. And instead, he gets through

and then he spends a year on the corn fairy tour and now in, you know, 12 months, he's made it to the PJ tour. It's just it's fucking awesome. Who knows how that projects for his time on the PJ tour? And again, there's a whole conversation about whether those guys are bringing in fans and whether those guys are going to be, you know, are they are they the same guys that we're going to be gripping about this time next year about like how did this guy get into fields and nobody wants to watch it blah blah blah, but it is just a good reminder that, you know, you kind of need a whole ecosystem, right? It's also they're going to have a cute school again. So like if somebody is a generational talent, cool. Go play a Q's cool. Finish in the top five. You're in, man.

You know? If you play great enough golf, you're gonna play your way out of whatever you're playing at. There's not like supreme talents being suppressed by the system. I don't really don't think that. And if you are like a supreme talent and you're not advancing,

then like maybe you're not a supreme talent. That's pretty much where I'm at. You should go to live. And then Camilla Vijayga shut the course record 62 in the second round and drew Camilla Vijayga special. He got like 36. But he's an assistant captain for the international team. I think Camilla is doing just fine as far as in his golf career right now. But yeah, Justin saw just a fantastic performance.

I'm excited to see him out on tour next year. Are we got a brand of Matthews? You guys see how he drives? Oh God, did you see that? He's a... He drove a 432 yard haul. It's not 432s the crow flies, but like... It's like 342 kick cover right now.

I think at least I think it was 370 cover to the front of the green over water and Drop the green. You know what this live stuff has been a has been really good for is people who hate Roll the ball back conversation We really had to take our eye off the ball so to speak and that was what I was like, oh man, that's. I mean, Brandon, he hits the ball far than anybody I've ever seen. It's outrageous. And I cannot wait to watch him on the PGA tour. Because it's somewhere like he's gotten exemptions into PGA tour events. He's Monday queued into a couple and it's like, it doesn't translate on him.

Like, hey, this is your chance. Go. It's like, give him a lot of high variance. He needs a big sample size and he's going to be like, you know, miss some, like he's definitely getting a lot of high variance. Yeah. He needs a big sample size. And he's going to be like, you know, miss some like he's definitely brought his floor up this year. He played really well at the US Open. He's brought his floor up, but like he needs six events in a row, getting a rhythm and he may win one as rookie. Like he might do the five missed cuts in a row and then win one. Yeah. He's a freak, freak talent.

He's on the stallings playing. The Sep Strocka plan. You're Rory stat. Yeah, I don't know. I just threw this on there. I think it was Justin Ray stat and the tour lifted it from him or whatever, but whatever. Good on the tour for actually putting it up and doing some decent stuff on social. Wedge improvement.

His first six starts of the year or of this season, whatever that means. 208th in Wedge improvement. His first six starts of the year of this season, whatever that means. 208th in wedge proximity. There might be too many guys on tour because that's a lot of... 200th week. You know, fucking bad that is. It's like literally the worst. Yeah. And his last 10 starts first.

We see what we see with the weakness was because he had a lot of success there in the last 10 starts. Yeah, that was everything I had on corn fairy. We had Gabby Lopez winning in Toledo. With a final round 63, she burdened her last three holes to win by one over Megan King. Personally, we are on the Cincinnati. Gabby Lopez, I think she's a very slow player. Some people you were. Gabby has to disclose your, you were called her girl like Gabby slow pass

I think is a pretty good lick. But I never I can't get her I think she's like 28 now. She's you know good on her forgetting I think this is her third career win, but one top 10 in the major need to see a little bit more out of Gabby Could you see some form from Megan Kang? Yeah, like absolutely. She'd be someone that would be very fun to root for as any any contention Yeah, absolutely. She'd be someone that would be very fun to root for it in any contention. You know, again, this time next year, we're probably talking about live ladies.

Yep. It's coming. You know, and then we've got some time this fall. We're going to have some time to cover a lot. We've been pushing a lot of stuff off to fall. It just has been an emergency pretty much week after week. We're on a lot to cover. We're on a Cincinnati this week.

We're going to the Kroger Queen City Classic or championship presented by Proctor and Gamble, I believe. Shout out to Randy's people at Kroger. It will be up there. Be at the event on Saturday. And then various times throughout the week as well. Big and I also recorded a trap draw that will drop this week with Beth Ann digging in on the LPGA

season thus far. And then, sorry, this is just like my housekeeping stuff. a trap draw that will drop this week with Beth Ann digging in on the LPGACs in thus far. And then, sorry, this is just like my house keeping stuff. If that's totally fine. We're going down the leaderboard of all tours. So I went up to Simpson Cup this week, support Cody and kind of something that's near and dear to his heart. I think after being there, it's now near and dear to my heart as well. It was awesome. What is the Simpson Cup? Simpson Cup is put on by the oncore Foundation, John Simpson, who is a long time agent for IMG, a British. Who was on the podcast last week?

Yeah. It would encourage everybody to go listen to it. It's basically wounded, you know, wounded vets from the US and the UK, squaring off in a rider cup style competition. It was at Baltas for all this year. It's been at the Creek previously next year. It's at Royal Lhythm, just the first class event all the way around. And it's not like it's, some guys have

nerve damage in their hand, or like, I think you have to meet like a certain disability minimum. But we played with a gentleman who had two legs amputated above the knee, Mike Brown. He was just awesome. He was fantastic. He tried to commit suicide maybe eight years ago, started playing golf and saved his life. That part of the podcast was especially moving and meaningful of just like quite,

quite, quite obviously. I do not have the physical handicaps that a lot of these guys have, but I've also asked myself like, where would my life be without golf? Like it means a shitload to me. So to have people that have had extreme, extremely traumatic things happen to them and hear like how he John outlayed, like they've told him like here Here's where I was playing to kill myself and Yeah, you know jump out of window right and then he was like I wasn't doing well made

And he's like I sound golf. He's been playing golf for eight years. Yeah, and he's like a he's a plus handicap With like two legs like that are cut off above his knees incredible One of the guys on the EFK team. He was like, he's Nepalese. He's planning to climb Mount Everest next year, which is in, he's same deal, double amputee. Nick, I mean, Nick has, he plays golf, he's got one arm and no legs.

It's crazy. So, I don't know, just really, really great event. I will say, ball to straw, exactly what I don't know. Just really, really great, great event. I will say, Baltic Raw, exactly what I thought it was. Not impressed at all. Really? I couldn't, I just couldn't, and I threw something up on Instagram. Jimmy Walker sent some nasty, nasty DMs. Oh, did he? He was saying that I was, I was, you know, I was bullying him and demeaning him and all that. And I said, too, I just don't like the golf course.

And I thought that was a shitty major championship in the weather sucked. I didn't hear about the D.M.s. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Big text. I'm out. Yeah.

And then, yeah, what else do we have on the, on the agenda here? USGA odds and ends. The senior AM, your boy Paul Simpson. Made another run. 70 years young. I got made to the round of 16 I think but that was run by one by he lost to the events the eventual champion Rusty Strong, right? Georgia guy Georgia guys are cleaning up on the senior am side.

USM starts this week up in your neck of the woods. Deach. Yeah, the mid am is at at at Aaron Hills and and blue mound. So I'm excited to hopefully get out there maybe Sunday. I might, when I get back from Cincinnati, might go out there with the family actually. Go watch our guy Lucas. Would be great.

Have you been out to Blue Mount yet? I have not. You just went to Milwaukee Country Club. That's right. Yeah, all right. Harry Colt only over here. Raiders overrated. And then Italy claimed the Eisenhower trophy

at the the world team golf competition. They're at France at Lake golf now. They beat Sweden by one shot, guys. The Swedes were you had the Swedes playing hard though, TC. Ludwig bogeyde the last hole. Wow. And they lost by one. Doesn't happen. He does.

I mean, he was fantastic. He, they came in second. US came in third, Grecierth, Thor Bjornson, Gordon Sargent. I think Sargent and Thor Bjornson sound like, or Sargent especially sounds like he's destined for big things. I'd like to call out Keeta Nakajima, the Japanese number one amateur in the world for being a fluffer. Oh, my.

I think he's known to Kumitsukenaya. He's just, you know, he's like not showing up at some amateur events to kind of protect his ranking, I think, as well like every time he does show up, the wagger does might stink. He's also like, yeah, I mean, like didn't even try to play like the like the USAM. That's tough. That's tough. That's tough. And then he like, and then he gets exposed like the USM. That's tough. That's tough. That's tough.

And then he gets exposed all this stuff. Norway came in fourth. There was this Japanese guy, Taiga, not to be viewed as the rapper. He came out guns blazing. He shot like 62 or 63. English finished, England fished 14th. Very sad.

James Skeet. Let's, all right, we're down the leader board on the eyes of our trophy. DJ James Skeet reminded me of the guy from from F1 or F2 of the rehearsal. I'm close to guys. Have you watched the rehearsal yet, Sally? Oh God. Yeah, I can't remember his name, but I but his last name I don't know how yeah, I don't know how deep you got into it

But it's oh I've watched all six. It's yeah And then on the ladies side team rose One the ladies, you know individual or whatever over Ingrid Lynn Blad and Saki Baba rose Zang for those Korean How about how about a rose Zang setting a course record at Pebble Beach? Is that any good? That's pretty cool. Uh, what is it? 63 63 63 for the ladies. Yeah. Guys, very, very interesting development.

Diana Murphy accompanied the US boys team to the eyes and how are trophy in Paris. Can you imagine the damage that Diana Murphy would do in Paris? Better than Bordeaux, right? Crazy. God damn it. I got everything out of this. Oh no, I had crazy.

Listen to the trap troffos. I had a crazy dream this week or last week. Ted Scott was cutting for me in the president's cup. And we were paying. Which team? I'd be internationals. or last week, Ted Scott was cutting for me in the president's cup. And we were paying, which team? I'd be international. I was, he was, he wouldn't give me my ball. I hit those dreams. We were playing so slow.

I was like, Ted, give me my fucking ball. He's like, dude, I lost the ball. I can't find it. And then I woke up. What do you think that means? I don't know. Crazy. All right. Did you have anything else before you go down?

Do you need a board you want to go down? Yeah, there's a Wisconsin state formal that I thought was pretty interesting. I've been tracking a lot of stuff this week. This is how I make myself feel better in the midst of all this live bullshit. Just clean yourself. No, that was great.

I was great to catch up on everything. No, I got nothing else. I got nothing else. I got to go pick up a rental car, drive a Cincinnati in the morning. Well, we will see you there, my friends. We're on the Cincinnati. Thank you, Edward. Truly.

For tuning in, we'll be in Sensei this week. A new podcast coming out this week as well with an international team member of the Presence Cup team, if you will. And we'll be back next week. Shit's gonna pop off this week allegedly at the BMW. That's what we keep hearing about. Pressors and like shit, shit popping off like like like hostility.

Keep an eye on Roy's presser is all I'll say. Okay. I think it might need to, they might need to scour the woods for any protesters. T.C. Well, you know, I mean, sir, we went, you clearly went worth is, is right with protest.

They get their asses out into, you know, nodding hand woods or wherever Robin Hood and the boys were hanging out. See if there's any trouble makers in there. They need to get the red coats. They need to get the... Sure would forest. The royal guard.

I think it's gonna be ugly and petty and not just not a pretty scene at the BMW this week. We'll be back to recap next week. They should fire Keith Pelley on the spot, too. And with that, we'll see you next week. Thank you everyone for our two-to-dead cheers. Cheers. Be the right club. Be the right club today.

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