No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 606: Sunday Presidents Cup Recap

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

Max Homa calls in as the group recaps the US victory at the 2022 Presidents Cup. We chat with Max about the week, what he learned this week, how he'd grade himself, and the highlights of the week. We recap all of the Sunday matches, and give out grades to each player, assess the Presidents Cup going forward, and chat a bit about Rome. Thanks to everyone for tuning into these shows throughout the week.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most expect anything different ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the no-lang up live show slash podcast presented of course by our friends at yeti final I believe one of the year if you will solid here DJ pies here hello mr. pie man hello soli thank you for uh thank you for having me It's been a great week and I'm excited to wrap it up.

Randy, gosh, he was calling for the ball this week. He's like, I cannot not be on the live shows for the president's cup. It's my favorite event in golf. Thank you so much for being here all week with us, big Randy. Well, and thank you for a bli-jang giving me this opportunity. It's been a true pleasure in every sense of the word.

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were even acknowledging on the telecast today. Did anybody else feel the sweat? Of course. It was, it was, uh, things could have gotten much differently there. You know, if, if the Canadian show up, if Tom Kim can, can, can keep that lead through the end, it was, it was very dicey there for about 15 minutes or so. I'm trying to remember, first of all, I have an extremely loud car alarm going outside my house. Hopefully you guys can't hear that, but I'll try to keep that in my head simultaneously

as I'm talking. I can't think of a team event outside of maybe the Liberty National one, which of course, I was kind of a conscientious objector too in the first place that didn't have that 15 to 20 to 30 minute stretch of just like, wait a minute, if this, this, this, and this happens, I don't know, all of a sudden we could be there and today was, was a very potent one. You know, I think we're all, we're all looking around for quite a while there like, hey, this, this thing could actually happen and then you just kind of realize that,

you know, it's a good metaphor for life, right? And you know, everything's temporary. That board up there is only gonna stay that way for so long, and things start switching, and guys miss and puts, and it's just a, it's a little, it wasn't quite as close as it felt like for quite a while there, I think. I disagree.

I think it was close. It really was. The Finau, you know, if Hadecki's ball goes in on 18, so, you know, he gets 18 first off, steps up, pipes one over the corner, and hits a fucking marshal in the leg on the fly, kicking it further into the rough. If that doesn't happen, who knows if that ball makes it back out to the fairway, or if he has a clearer shot, and then he essentially chipped it in, it had a lot of speed on it. Yes. But if that goes in and they win that match and Finaus match was very much in question and Sanders in the water on 15 at the time. And if those flip, it was very extremely real

at that point. And how do you not have your get some but holes puckering up at that point? Right. But when it be when you start seeing like doing the math and seeing only two or three American flags up on the board, knowing exactly what you need to get, I don't know. That was right there for about 90 seconds. It was absolutely there until Zander hit that shot into the green on 15. And that's where we kind of been talking about this all week where, you know, when it gets none of these matches are like 90-10, right? Like they're all like, it's 18-hole matches. They're all professional golfers, you know, these aren't dried up old ladies they're good

they're good to go out there. They but when it does get close you kind of see the difference between somebody like Xander being like oh what's that like this is a humongous moment cool I'm gonna step up and and make this or Sam Burns is shot coming into into 18 or whatever it like you see those guys step up and you see no offense. I'm sure he's going to have a tough night tonight, but you see someone like Corey Cauders, where they're like, yeah, he looked like he was hyper ventilated and got the way to bark this pot.

And it just, you know, like I said, none of that stuff's going to hold for two and a half hours, exactly like it needed to, you know. And so, yes, there were moments when it's like, man, if you pause everything right now, and if just a couple of things go, but it's, I think it's very different than that, you know, that Miracle of Madina team. Well, it's still a different team. I was exactly going to say to that, though, like we lived through one of these in our lifetime.

Like, I want to see the win probability play out. Like, what had no offense to anyone, but like that team also had like Justin Rose and Henry Stenson and Roy McElroy and like all some some significant horses on it as well. True. True. Are you feeling inspired by that, you know, then putting the the nail in the coffin like they did on the American team Randy? I'm sure you are.

Uh, no, you're trying to set me up there. putting the the nail in the coffin like they did on the American team Randy. I'm sure you are. No, you're trying to set me up there. Yeah, you know, I think in the spirit of what we're saying, the international team showed fight today. And we'll get into it. But, you know, based on Captain Imelman's post game press conference, that that certainly was where his mind was very impressed with a lot of guys. I thought this was a coming out party of sorts for just South Korean men in general. I, you know, I personally, I always.M. was really good, but didn't really have much to draw on beyond that. Guy like C. Wu Kim. Yeah, oh yeah, he won the players at one time, but not a whole lot besides that K.H. Lee funny quote, not much besides that Tom Kim, who's he.

And now it's like, man, these guys are great. And they had a chance to show their personality. They played really well, by guys are great. And they had a chance to show their personality. They played really well by and large collectively. And so I think the Americans did what they were expected to do, what they should have done, what they needed to do and credit to them. But I think this today and overall this week was maybe more about the international side, at least for me, and I'm curious if you guys feel that way as well.

I definitely do. At the risk of making a semi-serious point on this podcast, I was thinking about the South Korean men a ton all week and how I know they all, they have kind of a, I don't know, you don't even hear that much reporting on them, right? Because there's not that much English reporting done on those guys, I feel like. And I know they're a much bigger deal, obviously, in their home country than they are over here. But you don't hear that much. I know they kind of have their own collectives and they have a little bit of a stronghold in Dallas.

I think a lot of the guys live there and probably play together and they tend to go out to eat a lot together on the road. But they don't ever show up to an event where people are like, holy shit, that's the dude, right? They always probably have to feel kind of anonymous and kind of, that's got to be like a very lonely feeling and it was really freaking cool to see Tom Kim and K H Lee and Song Jay and some of these guys like have and see we, of course, have actual swagger, right? And have the fans kind of like back them up on it. And I don't know, I hope that that leads to them

feeling a little bit more swagger on the week-to-week PGA tour. Because I don't want to pretend like this had Ryder Cup ratings, or this was half the world was watching, or something like that. But I do think like they made a ton of fans this week and hopefully some of that that carries on to To more week to week PJ tour because they seem like that's very deserving Well, we got a lot to talk about. We're gonna give we're gonna do grades We're gonna go through player by player do some grades

We're gonna take some questions later on but I thought might start, just let's go through today's actions if you guys will indulge me for a little while today, because today kind of delivered. There was some fun stuff, not only to get pretty close there, but there were some really good matches, starting with the one very off the top, Seawoo Kim taking down, Forno, Justin Thomas.

I was thinking that JT going out first today, especially the way Tom Kim ended the day yesterday, I thought he was gonna come out and just have the antics dialed up to a million. And it kind of, going back to what we either talked about last night or the night before, I forget it felt like, it kind of felt like he was hesitant to get to demonstrative or to rile the crowd up a little bit,

because it was just kind of like, yeah, I'm supposed to win this match. We're supposed to win this cup by a lot. Like, I can't really be that dude. And he decided to start with the analytics by getting very visibly and noticeably upset by not being conceded a two foot seven-inch putt on the ninth green by Seaboukim. And I don't know if he's eating the little catalyst

to get going or something from that point on, but Seaboukim flipped it on from that moment on and shot four under on the back nine. And JT was two up, leaving the ninth green and Seemoo won on the 18th green. What were you guys thoughts on JT being upset about not being considered a two foot seven inch putt? You know, it's funny. I think clear Rogers had probably the best tweet to just encapsulate, you know, it's funny. I think Claire Rogers had probably the best tweet to just encapsulate, you know, was it Friday, maybe Thursday or Thursday?

JTBN like, oh no, no way we're conceding this putt and then flash forward to Sunday and he's upset with not being given a putt. I will say I think JT, I really appreciate the role that JT plays. You know, we've made the joke. He should have been a Duke point guard. But today was was a great example of him drawing the best out of his opponent. And I think that happened in 2019 against Cam Smith. That was an excellent match.

This was an excellent match. One of my favorites all day to watch. And I think, and I'm just trying to put myself in somebody's shoes playing against a guy like JT. I mean, that's a guy you really want to beat because he's got no shortage of confidence, you know, can be even cocky, seeming at times. And so I think that makes for really good matches that he's been involved in. He came up just short today, but I thought he still played pretty

well. See, we was was just better. So I don't want to knock any of JT's antics because I think they help lead into what turned out to be awesome matches. So I'm very appreciative of that. Yeah, I think I think this is kind of a cliche, but I think JT is the ultimate, you know, your pump to fees on your team and you fucking hate him if he's on the other team, right? And I really enjoy him kind of seemingly leaning into that role. I think it's, I think it's great. As an American, do I always find myself rooting for him hard to say? Hard to say. I think it comes off a little, it's weird. I don't even think he necessarily is

like this spoiled entitled guy, but that's just kind of the way it reads sometimes, right? I think we've all just met a lot of people like that. And sometimes that's how it comes across, but that's what, like you said, Randy, that's, that's what makes the match so fun to watch. And I think that's what makes, you know, I was a little hesitant or a little kind of head scratchy about C. Wu in that, in that first pairing, but that, you know, it illustrates very much like how much I don't know about C.oo Kim. Right? Like you see the guy that we saw out there was like, holy shit, I didn't know, did not know that to that guy was. That's, that's great to know. Let me write that

out of my notebook. I will say about the JT stuff is he's got to at least be okay and understanding of that this pisses a lot of people off, right? He can't be ignorant to that fact that he's playing the villainous role in a way and he cannot have it both ways. It is a polarizing thing, obviously, that he does on the golf course. And it is very much like he's 16, 5 and 3 as the best start to a career for any American in Presidents Cup and Ryder Cups. And he's still a lot of the American in president's cup and writer cups. And he's still a lot of the American fans

are like not cool with it. They're not down with us. I mean, relatively speaking, it was a head shake and kind of just like a little face that he made about having to put that out, which was not that much of a, it was not a gaming. Two feet seven inches was being put all week long, right?

And especially when he, you know, he made Cory Conners put that one on Thursday, which, listen, Cory Conners may have had very good reason to do that, but it's funny how that can work in very much one-on-one play, where it now becomes you are so possessed at beating this guy right in front of you that I don't want to say can distract you, but it turns into this thing where like, JT knows you should beat Siwu Kim, right?

On paper, he should beat him. Yet ever, so every little time that Siwu makes an eight foot put, you know, JT's walking off the 15th green, what a 14th green, whatever that was shaking his head, like he can't believe this fuckers beating me. Like, how is this happening? How is this getting away from me? And I'm okay with it as long as he's aware

that it's pissing people off and gonna piss people off, right? It doesn't really piss me off. Like I enjoy the people, like if Billy Ho was doing it, I think we would be, you know, fired up about it. It'd be almost cheering it on. I'm like, yeah, be the antagonist. Come on, bring it on. But if he's gonna pretend like he doesn't understand

why people are upset about it, that's, we can have a little talk into about that part. I also think, and Solid, maybe you have a better perspective on this, but I don't think he's doing it as like an act either, though. I think that's like, I think he enjoys it. Like I think that's very much who he is. And I think that's, we keep saying this,

but I think that's what makes all those Duke point guards, the Duke point guards, right? Like they're not out there like running a playbook of like what's gonna get under people's skin. They They're just that's what pops into their head, man. They're there being very, they're being pretty honest about how they're feeling out there. And if that's what it takes to to get them going and if he's out there inventing, you know, turn and see who Kim's gimme's into a bit of it like an enemy or something like good for him. Yeah, that's that's great. I love it. Yeah. Yeah, I want to be a hundred percent clear

I love it as a guy who wants more Drama and conflict in these types of events. It's it's fantastic to have somebody like JT doing what he's doing I really like that question that Cody put up there on the on the screen for those that didn't see it on the podcast It was it was basically like you know JT's got plenty of antics But he's still the guy that I would put out if you had to beat anybody in the world. I'm curious if you guys would agree or disagree with that. On the American side, if you have to win a space jam style match

against an unnamed opponent, who are you putting out? Oh man. It's kind of hard to argue with JT. I've only ever had to think about what order you put guys out in. In our super real, not hypothetical at all situations on this podcast, but gosh, if you had to put, who would be the, the might, the man in the envelope if you are in the opposite way,

if you had, if you saw the awesome president's cup playoff style, who would that be on this team? I mean, right now it's probably speed, but going into today, I would have been fine putting having that BJT. Yeah, it might be burns right now though. I still think speed. I mean, I know speed lost the match or JT lost the match, but got his iron shots coming down the stretch. I would, I would put him up again, Taybae. That's, that's my clear cut answer.

He, he gave two bogies back on the back nine on top of CW making four birdies. So it was it was not whatever whatever CW did. It got enough under his skin that it was not a zero. Some game after that. It had had some kind of effect on him. And yeah, once the shushing started and things like that, it just becomes this. You just become possessed like I have to beat this dude. It just gets under your skin more and more and more and more and more and and see what came back to

his ass down he did a JT gave credit on Twitter he said you know he beat my ass but that was yeah that was an entertaining opening match and yeah I would not have I don't know why I see will went out first but got another another one well played by Trevor emman so match number two Jordan spieth bounces back two down through two against Cam Davis. And it was looking pretty bleak. He was not finding the club face early on and comes out and beats Cam Davis, four and three, who was a major hot hand for us. The international is coming into today. Yeah, he seemed like he ran out of gas a little bit today. And, and spieth was pouring them in from everywhere.

I've been to a classic, like, match play. What else do I got to do to beat this guy? Like, why won't this guy die? Kind of, kind of a scenario and it's, speed is like, it kind of seemed like all weak. I wish, you know, shout out to the TV coverage. I wish he had a better feel for how some of these guys actually played, rather than how the TV coverage kind of presents how they play. Because it seemed like spieth was, it was like the classic when I'm hitting it all over the planet, I'm making everything.

And when I'm flagging it, I'm flagging it kind of a performance. And those two things kind of seem like they lined up all week. And they definitely seem like they lined up today. Like he was pretty ragged. It looked like to start the match and putting himself in that early hole and then kind of poured in a bunch of putts late. And then all of a sudden was like, okay, I'm back now. I'm going to start. I'm going to start being Jordan speed again. It's also worth noting. Camden has no birdies today. It was not his and that's tough. That's that's not going to get hard to win in match play in that regard.

Unless you're getting a lot of pop, which I think they were playing straight up today though. Uh, Sam Burns and Hadecki tied a really, really good match. Uh, we talked about how, uh, Hadecki's bad break on 18, but again, Sam Burns pouring in the birdies, birdied five, birdied 10 bird, 11 bird, 12 birdied 16, um, just a stellar stellar Tyler months and seven gave us the comment, should we start the San Burns trophy? On paper, you had a bad week, but it was actually pretty good because that was, I mean, it's, you know,

everyone's saying that at this point, but I could not say enough great things about how San Burns played this week and did not have the record. Well, we're reflect on that, but did not have the record that you would have thought he would have had. Come on, Randy, drag his ass.

Pretty lost. Yeah, a couple of things. Right? What? Or maybe more than a couple. One, yeah, he didn't play well enough at the end of the day. Two, I think we could name that after Tony Fee now's BJ tour career.

Moral Tony Fee now trophy presented by DataGolf. And then third, you say bad break from Hadecki on 18 with the Marshall. I, I wonder if there wasn't intent there from the Marshall. I think he was leading into the pitch a little bit. I, it couldn't have caught a better part of your, of your leg, right? It was, it was a little kneecap right out to the right, uh, terrible angle for Hadecki deep in the Bermuda. I think of that ball, you know, goes unobstructed. It takes one hop lands in the fairway. I don't know. I'm, I'm, I'm just asking questions,

but I think we need to take a look at perhaps, you know, who's paying this Marshall? What is intentions? Where are things of that nature? And we haven't talked about the, you know, coefficient of restitution of that flagstick that kept his, kept his chip out either. That's right. That's right as well. You know? It would be so, so sick in this year of the PGA tour, bungling about a million things along the way. If they were just so distracted because they were paying off Marshalls, for the, to make sure the US won the president's got like that was where their focus was for the like the majority of the years. Look at that clutch moment, we need someone to be in the way on the 18th hole to,

you know, deflect a ball. That would be that would be the best possible way for this year to end. That brings up another question about the US team. If you have to get one of them out there to catch a catch a ball at the end of the tournament, who's it? Who's it going to be? That might be the thing. Kisner. Kisner. He's got that dog in him. Yeah. Kisner, we need to go out there and take a charge for the team. Patrick Cantlay made easy work of Adam Scott today. I don't have a ton to say about that

match. We'll talk again about about both players here when we do our grades, but can't lay was really freaking good this week. Yes. And like very, very overshadowed by JT and spief and Tom Kim and some of the more electrifying performances, but damn man, he was, he was really good. Sebastian Munoz, a really underrated performance from the international team, 2001 on the week. And he went out and beat World Number One today. Does Sebastian Munoz pass the I test to you, Randy? Certainly did today. And you got to wonder why he was not playing more sessions. We talked about that early in the week.

He's, you know, he's a high variance guy. And as soon as you get that sniff that he might be locked in, you got to play him as much as possible. He was awesome. He was great in the, I loved his interview today. It was maybe my favorite poster on an interview who's talking about like how proud of himself he was that he just took down the number one player in the world. I think that was really cool. What do you, I think he's called it one of his biggest achievements of his life. For sure.

Great. He birdied seven, birdied eight, birdied ten, holds a bunker shot for eagle on 11. Sheffler matches it with a buzz from off the green. Then he birdies twelve, birdies fifteen, birdies seventeen to win the match two up. That's one, two, three, four, five, six birdies and an eagle from the seventh hole on to go out and beat Skydashuffler, who played pretty well today, if I may say. It was, I think he was kind of holding burns back in the early part of the week, but Shephard, I feel like played well enough today to win his match and did not get, did not get the draw he needed. So I have a question for you. Will, will you institute the Wrangler? Is it a Wrangler or is it just a black glove? I think it's a Wrangler.

It's got like the piping on it that looks like a whatever foot joy or whatever Wrangler. I'm never too hesitant to go to the Wrangler. You know, I can use all the grub. I think it can be interesting. I just like to say, we'll talk more about Scotty when we get to the grading portion of this show. Okay.

Finaw got the job done against Taylor Pendrith. Taylor, yeah, we're gonna talk about that. But that one was, that was the one that was like, hey man, this match might end up being kind of important here. That was where the air came out of the balloon. Yeah. When Fina, what was that on 16? May the big birdie put on 16.

He had his in that bunker. It looked like God. That was just a bad TV angle I guess, but it looked like that ball was like stopped on a straight down slope past the hole there and Big tone of course, you know our guy Randy no no doubt about it. Poor is it right in the middle? Never doubt closes the match. Never doubt love seeing Big tone today Went and got it. I thought Taylor was pretty frisky. I think he made three or four birdies on the front nine I I thought he You know if we're gonna give out like moral victories

I thought his was more of a moral victory than just straight up getting his ass kicked It's more more to the story of that ode for right right. I also DJ. I'll say this is you know when you and I Assume the captain to see on yesterday show These were the two spots. I would have had Tom a guy like Tom Kim These these seem like pivotal matches and to put Pendrith and Connors who were over going into singles Up against Finau and and Xander in these spots was very questionable. I do think.

And that's not second guessing because I think we were first seeing that. I'm with you on that one. Xander rough start on his match against support, Corey Connors. I will say little Corey, he did make four birdies coming in after the eighth hole. I think he still shot like 75. It was not good. It was really not good. It was really not good. Zander was not good.

Zander made five bogies today, but won it won up on 18. Good up and down from the crosswalk on the 18th hole to win that one, one up. But yeah, he was not himself today. That match was a little bit of a pillow fight. Unbelievable par by Zander on 16. Was that when he drove in the water?

Oh, he should. I got a question for you Why do you get relief from a crosswalk? I mean, it's in the middle of fairway and it's just it's like ground under repair basically If you're gonna take advantage of you know getting trampled down lies in the rough I think you got to take cold both ways exactly both ways blue exactly I think you got to take cold both ways exactly both ways blue exactly What we could I don't agree with you, but I'd love to read your Or I'm gonna read your proposal or no check it out like don't lay up in the crosswalk if you don't want to hit from the crosswalk Treat it like a like a bunker

Exactly control your runouts. I'm in so I'd vote for you ready Well, if we weren't under the thumb of this, you know I felt for you, Raydie. If we weren't under the thumb of this, you know, oligarchical USGA that is just assumed power without any representation, we could maybe change those sorts of things, but we have no power in this game, Randy. Well, it's just, you know, the players get every conceivable favor from the rulebook. I, you know, these guys are supposedly the best in the world. Let's test them a little bit.

I think we should put this to the top of the priority list for this off season is getting this legislation pushed through. Well, if they roll back the ball, we won't have to worry about it. I think we should put this to the top of the priority list for this off season. It's getting this legislation pushed through. Well, if they roll back the ball, we won't have to worry about it. Exactly. It's merely an aside, but I thought it was quite curious. Cameron Young versus Sungjae. Sungjae beats him one up. Cammy Young is putting Sungjae too. It was. He played really, he was flag hunting all week long. Cameron Young's putting it was not good again today.

Some horrific misses from, from quite close in. Billy Ho versus KH Lee didn't really get to see a lot of this one, but KH Lee beat some easily three and one tough week for Billy Ho. I will say, I think that was, that, that, that match was for, you know, sexiest man of the president. Yeah. And it came, KH left no doubt. I think that was that that match was for you know sexiest man of the president. Okay. Cage left no doubt. I think age gets it.

He earned it fair and square. There was a great again for the sickos only. If you weren't watching the hot mic situation after as the players were shaking hands on golf channel, I did have to laugh pretty hard with Kisner was you know, they're all going through kind of a good game, good game slap at hands. And Kisner goes, okay, you're the most handsome man in America. That was great. And then Seemoo comes to you like, man, you're one of the ugly as fuckers in America. It was, it was really funny. Maybe laugh. Very much, very, joke received very well as well. For anyone that was getting mad.

Oh, yeah. For anyone's getting mad about that online that was it was he was 100% serious. Well executed. It really had an extra grad. Uh continue. Sorry Tom Kim versus Maximus Homa. Uh tough front nine for our boy Max, but they do not take pictures on the scorecard. He birdies 12, 14, 15 and 16 to flip a match. He was three down on 11 and he was one up walking off 15 and wins it. Tom came to Mr. Relatively Short birdie on 18 that I was positive he was going to make,

but Max wins it to go four and no on the week. We might hear from him later. We'll see if, I don't know what the alcohol situation is, but we're, he has the link to the show. He may, he may call in later. I'm just stick around. I'm just stick around. It's awesome.

I think we'll get into the grades. I think sometimes, I think maybe we're a little happy there weren't pictures of all Max's scorecards. And this was at ultimate like results only, 4 and 0, you know, just win, just get it done. But there were some, there were some rocks that he was navigating in some of these matches. I think he shot 42 on the front today,

but followed it with a 32 on the back nine. So that's what you got to do. All the matter, and he lost one hole by three and lost another one by two, but that does not matter in match play. So it was a lot of crosswalks on that. That's right. That was right. Well, no, they get relieved from that

DJ. That's all right. Right, right, right. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I will say Max, Balsey put on 17 to for par to it would it would it would have the match and guarantee him a half point going into 18. But it was fun, Sianham consistently delivering in big spots. That was quite a lot of fun. I know it's impossible to be impartial about the big homie, but where do you stand on,

do you see enough this week? Are you, is he a rider a couple of lock if he's in the conversation? Oh, I mean, yeah, it's all what's your opinion? Cause you, you know, you're a course fit and all that stuff, but I punch the ticket. Max, Max has made my rider cup team. I mean, he's got to play well between now and then and the end of the year. It's not a, you know, I mean, if he's, if he's in those top kind of like, sure, I'll share conversation for sure. Yeah, it's just, it can, things can change very quickly. Of course, like Daniel Berger, Harris English,

we're not, I mean, Berger's hurt and English has been hurt. Like, there's a lot of things that can change in a situation from year to year. There's always more turnover from one team to the next team than you think there will be walking off, you know, the at the end of the week. Health-wise, if he stays healthy and is hitting the ball, even remotely, like he is now, you know, the at the end of the week. Health-wise, VStay's healthy and is hitting the ball even remotely like he is now, like absolutely, 100%.

And the, it's, I don't think the US is going to have a problem of too much talent. That has almost been their problem. If you can call it a problem last year, like it's Sam Burns not being on that team, Max Holma, Zalatoris, all those dudes who had not been, did not make that team last year. Now you can kind of see with the, you know, the 11 to 12 spots now, there's some, there's opportunities out there to make this US team. It is not set in stone and locked. And I mean, that in a good way from X. I think he's got, you know, all the opportunity and all the team room fits and everything working in his benefit to be on Ryder Cup team next year.

And as, as a whole much perspective, I I was gonna say, as Andrew was pointed out in the comments, there, injection of perspective coming shortly as well. What a freaking like fun year for, if we can again, not being impartial, for max the human of just like, like realizing your talent this year. He's won in previous years, but this was the year

that he raised his floor a ton. He realizing your talent this year. He's won in previous years, but this was the year that he raised his floor a ton. He won two times this year. He makes the president's cup team. He goes four and a half in the president's cup. He's about to have a baby. Like every time it seems like life can't really get any better for him, it just like goes up another level. And I couldn't be happier for our buddy there

because it's been awesome to watch as a friend. And don't sleep on, don't sleep on. I know we've well documented his somewhat struggles or slowness to kind of gain his footing in the majors. Course record holder at LACC, you heard it here first. I thought big stew took that down. Oh, you know what, you might be right. Well, I got old restrictions in front of you.

Max absolutely fucked up LACC when he was when he was in college. So just don't sleep on that one either. And and low stodgers continue to be a menace out west. You know, the white talk center in town that week. So he might be you might be suffering a bad bad mental state early in the week. But I'll ask you guys this quickly best round of the day. Any player, either team today answers quickly as you can. Too late. You took too long. The answer's calling more.

Cal. Yes, I was going to get there. I was going to get there. He got out like 700 today. He and ran all over me to Pereira who did not play a bad round of golf by any measurement and took him down three and two. He they didn't show his eagle on seven, which I feel like, eagleing seven and singles was,

and I wonder if Morcaw it took a little bit of slight to being put out 11th. It was kind of a forgotten man, sat two sessions this week. Yeah. But went out and took care of business against Mito. And then last match, Christian, Beseidon, Hoat, allegedly beat Kevin,

Kizner, two and one. So. Yeah. Just for all the best heads out there. Yeah. Unbeaten as we predicted. No, no, no, no, no. That's putter in the world. Thank you. You can only play the people that are in front of you.

You know, he refused to lose to any of them. So I'll, I'll rest my hat there big. I think we were on that one early in the week. We were, we were, we got little Cory out there flailing around trying to try to get points. Well and and concutos de bez for denying little baby Neil the the 18 to 12 result that he said desk really wanted. War of 18 12. Yeah. Listen I know this this this may not fit for you all you watching this live right now because there's NFL on TV right now And you're spending time with us which we greatly appreciate but the NFL action is in full swing here at draft King sports

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and official sports betting partner of the NFL minimum age and eligibility restrictions supply see show notes for details. I'll ask this question. Is 17.5 to 12. half a win for the US? Like, is that a, is that a, do we look back at this president's cup and say this was a, a good team event for the US? Dege, I already said, I think the bigger takeaways are on the international side. We talked about that.

I'm asking, now we're talking about the American side. I mean, they won by five points. I Although I would love to they did what they had to do. I To be human that there's no way that they were as hyped for this as they possibly could have been I Think they were all extremely gassed coming into this long season playoffs like all that stuff I coming into this long season playoffs, like all that stuff. I agree with everything you said coming in, Sali, about it's a little weird to be stunting on,

it feels a little varsity JV coming in. And then I think once it did get real, they clearly meant something to all those guys out there today. I'm breeding way too much into it, I know. But there was a, that was such a weird comment that Davis love made in the, in the press conference today about how, yeah, we could have like maybe sent them out there a little bit better, but then all the guys wouldn't have got to play with their buddies. He said that would be, I can't, I don't know. Wait,

let me just correct for the record. He said, we could have thrown balls up and made, and made teams out of that. But then you know, our guys wouldn't have got to play with their buddies. It wasn't necessarily like, we didn't make the good teams we wanted to play with our friends. Not entirely, but... Not entirely, but I think the sentiment is kind of the same in that like, they were definitely prioritizing guys play with buddies rather than going through the paces. At least it seemed like it, right? I don't know.

I know that was kind of like a, hey, we're all having fun and we've had a couple drinks and we're all sitting up here and everybody kind of wanted to play with their buddies. But that was like a very, that was a very weird thing to say from a like rider cup perspective. The weird, the weird part to me was like, we all played, we all, like, it was basically that part was kind of like admitting like, hey, I made sure to get everyone in at least two sessions and spread it out when it was, y'all have the parents. Very, exactly. Very obvious.

I searched my boys and my boys and four stars. You should be playing. Which is very obvious that Kizner and Horsel should not have gotten the call the nod yesterday afternoon, right? And it's just, it's got to be hard to, you know, it sounds silly to kind of criticize a team that one by five and, you know, was 95% win probability from Friday afternoon on. But, you know, it's got to be hard to just step on their necks when you just don't have that animosity in this series really at all.

There's not guides on that other team that you can really, there's not a polter on that other side that you want to see weep and cry. And in that regard, I get it, but it's hard to walk off losing the weekend for this US team that was so heavily favored on your home turf against a team beleaguered by the live defections in your plan against, the 15th and 16th best guys on their death chart

and feel really great about it, I think. I mean, because it, you know, even 6.5 and 5.5 today, it looked like it could have gone a lot worse than that than it actually did. So, you know, these home ones are not the question mark. The next one is the big one and the huge question mark and something they haven't done since 1993, which is just astonishing to say, but looking ahead to that, it feels, I think best case scenario is they recognize how close this one kind of was, kind of in a way, and how if the international's had their full slate of guys,

they would have been in danger of losing on their home turf. I don't think that this is the kind of team that's gonna go over to Europe to cocky for it and not recognize the fact that they definitely can lose that. But I'm wondering if this was maybe a little bit of a wake up call for them to say, okay, you're vulnerable. You're not invincible. They won last year by so much, they won by 10, they set the record for the rider cup. And if they had blown the doors off this international team, they could have felt a little bit untouchable. but I do wonder going to the next one if this weekend humbled them a little bit.

It's not gonna humble me, but it might humble them. And to be fair to DL3, there was no real elaboration on what he meant by that. So he could have just as easily meant, like maybe the stats wouldn't have said to put Jordan and Justin together and they went for no. You know, so maybe there was more to it. It was just given the quote that we had,

you kind of assign your own context to it, I guess, is where I was at. So there could have been more to it, but it was a little strange. I think, you know, golf, we don't get to do a lot of the analyzing as you would in team sports. And I think there's a lot of fun and kind of analyzing the team sports. But so we can look at this current crop of American players, right? This internet, the US team being led by JT and Speed and Sheffler and Cantlay and Xander, you know this core of guys You know this year was like they they just need to take care of business at home and really

We won't know about this group until next year in Italy, right? I think It's that that's the test for them and so You know they they need to get an easy home win. They got the win. It wasn't as pretty as it could have been. But I think everything points to Italy next year for the rider cup is being like, okay, let's see what they're actually all about. Yeah. Let me ask guys this, and this is, I feel like there's been, there's some sentiment of rooting for other teams other than the US amongst the NLU brethren at times

I'm mainly TC is not here obviously, but he roots against roots for team Europe and for the internationals and a lot of that reasoning being that the Americans were just an Unlikable bunch. Do you find this bunch of Americans to be likable? I'll start with you, Dege Much more. I think I think they've improved a lot in that regard strictly by, you know, there's no Patrick Reed, there's no Bryson, there's no Brooks, Dustin, I root for, but I think that's more of a later in his career kind of thing. I think earlier in his career, I didn't really feel all that much form kind of one way or the other. And then beyond that, it was a lot of filler guys back in the day that you didn't feel much for. It was a lot of like Web Simpson. I feel like we've all come a little bit full circle on him into where he's blossomed into a bit of a crafty, fun guy to root for later in his career.

But when you're out there getting drugged in the Ryder Cup, it like, we'll like get this guy off my fucking TV. Yeah. You know, and I think there were a couple, a couple of fill in guys like that, but just looking at it, it's like, I get why people don't like JT, but I put them on my TV screen every day. Like I, I have a blast watching him.

Speed might be my favorite call forever. That's, that's pretty easy. Sam Burns is an electric factory. Like I, I can't get enough of that guy. Can't lay his kind of at the bottom of the ranking, but I don't, I don't, I'm not anti. I just don't really feel that much. And honestly, Scott, he's kind of in that camp too,

but maybe we unpacked that later. Big tone has come around as like truly suspending the bit. Like I smiled every time he was on the screen because he just looked like he's having so much fun. Yeah, he's like the most likable guy out there. And then you keep going down the list like there's just not that many. There's not as many. I guess it kind of is like pros and cons, right? Because there's not as many strong personalities. So I don't know that it's as interesting as it is with all those other guys. But I also think it's inherently more likable because it's less polarizing, if that makes sense. And if I may say too, like getting rid of the,

getting rid of Ricky, which everyone likes, but there was a stink element to that in terms of, like he was a part of losing teams, right? And Tiger and Phil were just a part of a shitload of losing teams and like all that's gone now and it is totally taken over by a new crop that get along. They have, they have, they look like they have a lot more fun. It looks a lot less procedural to them and it looks like it's something that they're truly motivated by year round and there is some actual unity and a chance to kind of build a bit of the D word, if you will, just with that group, because it could last, you know, five, six, seven, eight, more years, if you will.

To me, it seems like a more likable team. So that's why I was taking stock. Randy, what are your thoughts? I totally agree with everything DJ said. Definitely just on a human level, more likable from my perspective. I think the reason I found myself gravitating towards Team Europe last Ryder Cup

was in part though because I still think that collection of guys, it's weird, but end of the day, it's just like, okay, you're in each, who, who would you want to go have beers with, right? And the answer for me has pretty consistently been the European side. The internet now, like this international, I think I just kind of room for them because they were such a heavy underdog, and it's more fun to just root for the underdog. I, they're not unlikeable, but I don't get quite that same sense of like, oh, no, dude,

I would love to go have beers. I think I would learn a lot. I think it would be an interesting dinner having beers with those guys. But, yeah, I, I, but I do think the Americans are a much more appealing group of just people. Can I bring it, can I pause you just to, just we can speak in a, speaking of beers, speaking of dudes we like to have a beer with, maybe at some point, but speaking of dickheads.

Can we go ahead and bring in the homie, if you will, who I believe is Mr. Max Homa four now. For the champion United States president's cup team. Hey, buddy, how are you? Thank you, did Randy just call me a dickhead? Well, you missed the beginning. You missed the context. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How are we feeling tonight?

More buzz than I was this morning, but feel pretty good. What do you do? Why are you not at the party? Or is there not, is there not a party for presidents cups? There will be a party. I need a shower. So I figured I would talk to my boys before that. Yeah, we're going to dinner and then, and then there's a party. But yeah, this is a tradition after W's and this does count as a WMI. So we had to make happen. Max, once the last time you've been just deathly hung over. Oh, God, deathly.

You know, like you can just want it all to end. I'm not a big puke guy personally, but I can't remember. There has been a time somewhat recently, but the most hungover I've probably ever been was after the the the Riv win, and then I had a fly straight to Florida, and that was just in all time, just horrendous day.

I'm hoping tomorrow is even worse. That's how I'm looking tonight. Yes, Godspeed, I hope so too. Max, you had intensity going the few times they they did show you on TV today. What was the what was the singles match like? How did it kind of compare to the other days? Singles is different, you know, I don't have, you know, Tony Fino's drives to to vibe off of. I don't have Billy Hortzels just immense intensity to to vibe off of. So singles is different. I definitely caught myself being like a rookie today, not controlling adrenaline, just not understanding just like

how my body's going to be. And honestly, like this Tom Kim kit is amazing player. Man, like he, he kind of owned our team. He made all the big putts. He did everything you could ask for somebody to do. And I wanted to play him. Did you call for the ball? All those reasons. And it was really cool to play him and compete against somebody who obviously appreciates the president's cup and wants to, wants to be, you know, best player in the world and I'm sure all of his dreams. So I wanted to play against him and it was an intense day. And I didn't think it would get to my match. Obviously it did not end up getting to my match, but

it got a little closer for a minute. And it was a cool spot to be in to play like they're kind of their guy this week and to Rally on the back nine to at least ensure a point for for the US. Did you call for the ball for Tom Kim? I might I might have called for the ball for Tom Kim I Did not think we're gonna be the 10th match out if I'm being honest, but I did call for for the ball What was it? It was it a mouse in the house situation? There were mouses, there were houses, there were so many things. How does cough for the ball go?

So did you think he was going to go out first and you wanted to go out first or why did you want to play him in particular? So when I watched everybody play yesterday afternoon, there was one guy that was just obviously sticking out. And it was Tom. He's amazing. He makes every putty. It's Zyren's amazing.

He's just a stud. And when Davis asks, I think, yes, everybody says, is there anybody in particular who'd like to play? I said, I'd like to play Tom. I feel like we had similar energy at the point, like we're both kind of riding high. You know, everything just seemed to be going our way for the week. So I was like, I would like to play him. Also, I like to back my mind too, as Tom's new caddy Joe Scoverin is one of my closest friends.

And I would have liked to beat him as well. It was just kind of like, it was more of a joke. I said I wanted to play Tom a week because I want to play scoff and I felt like singles might be my opportunity. But sometimes, you know, when you're feeling good, you want to play the guy who's also seeming to get the ball in the whole fastest or at least at the right time. So I wanted to play them, but I also thought we were going out earlier, so I'm not particularly sure why it was the 10th match. I'm not sure the plan there,

but at the end of the day, I was excited to play him and see what I could do for the team kind of coming in at the end of the individual matches. What were your nerves like this week? Because it seemed like, again, we're kind of subject to what we get on the telecast, but just looking at the scorecards, it seemed like maybe some shaky front nines

and then once it settled in and once it was kind of like, back nine, the matches on the line, you kind of seemed like a different player. I'm curious if that's how it felt or if that's true or not. It actually didn't feel quite like that. I mean, Thursday, I was like extremely nervous. I really, really do. I know all jokes aside to you guys.

I playing with Tony Fina was pretty amazing. Like he is one of the greatest talents I've ever been around. So getting to play like a four-sum match with him feels like absurdly easy. And so Thursday I was really, really, really nervous, but he did a pretty great job of calming me down. And as we got moving through like the first three, four holes, I felt like I settled into at least feel like I was playing like a normal golf tournament. And then the next day or the next match, I was pretty much, it was actually the Friday match.

I felt like I was losing energy. And as the back nine got on, it picked up and ramped up. When I really, Billy made this huge putt on 14. I let out this big yell. And I realized like Billy made this huge pot on 14. I like let out this big yell and I realized that you know kind of like got me back into the president's cup kind of. I just felt like I was a little bit gassed and then every every match after that I felt like the intensity kind of picked up and like the nerves picked up a little bit. But this morning I was definitely the most nervous. I played horrendous for nine holes like the worst ever and

It was it was just one of those things like I just felt like I was being of rookie out there I was trying to do a lot. I wasn't playing how I would normally play a match play event and all those things and I just felt like it got to me a little bit I was tired and I was being like really hard on myself Which I've been very proud of myself about not doing that for like a month or so, which is a long time for me if you were wondering. And I don't know, all of a sudden, like we got to the 10th whole day to a really good shot in, and my swing had felt great all day, and I was hitting, making good swings and balls just not going the right distance or whatever. And then all of a sudden, I just kind of like, I don't know, Doug deep got a little bit of help from Tom and got on a roll from 12 to, uh, or 10 to, I guess, 16 or 17.

So, uh, it's an interesting week. It's just a very emotional week. So like you're kind of, I guess looking, looking to the future, like if I get to play on one of these teams again, I, I feel like I have a better understanding of how I'm going to react to all of this because, because it is a lot. I appreciate you saying that about Tony too, because me and Randy have been saying that

on this podcast for a long time, and Solid really carried that on. I was gonna say, I feel like we've been evangelical about that, Deach, but nobody wants to listen. They're not gonna get arrested. I'm gonna share with Tony, I remembered sitting in the kill house and screaming at Randy that he's an idiot

for not thinking Tony should be on a team. So I remember that. And we went undefeated me and him. So, uh, if I... Hi, nice. Yeah, I don't know if I'll agree on that. Yeah, I don't know if I remember that. Max, did you get,

get a look at Tony's mustache situation? Yeah. People are saying he's got like half a mustache. I don't know. Is it people or is it you? No, no, no, no. This is not a bit. I promise this is not a bit.

They're all a bit, Randy. Your name's actually Phil. That's true. My real question is, on a very personal level, something that you can share, what did you learn? What was the most fun or exciting or just awesome thing you learned about spending time with like 11 of the or really the international side too, but you spent the most time with the American guys 11 of the other, you know, best players in the world. Sometimes you think I think I'm like Michael Sire, romanticized situations in my head and you show up to things like this that are,

like this is an exhibition, right? Like it's awesome, but it's an exhibition. And I show up with all the intensity in the world excited. And you look around a room with 11 other guys who are the best players on the planet. And they treat it like it's an important piece of business, like working out in the morning, training before, doing work after practicing.

Scottie Schaffler was putting in the dark last night before we left. And you realize that someone have written me something interesting this week. It says success leaves clues. And I saw a lot of clues this week as to why these guys are the best players in the world. And it was cool to be around these people

to watch how they approach their craft. And it shows why they are as good as they are. And it was fun to be immersed in that because golf is very individual and lonely. And I do all this stuff on my own. And you don't know what anybody else is doing. It was cool to see everybody else treat this like I treat it. Well, you know, that reminds that that quote there reminds me of Max's the I think it was oh eight US basketball Olympics. LeBron seeing Kobe's workout, I understanding his workout regime like the first time he realized that Kobe gets up at like four o'clock in the morning to go workout.. Which is like, oh shit. Like that's what I got to do to be, you know, whatever I need to be. And that's, that's the first thing I thought of when you said that. That's absolutely.

So. All right, man. Well, I know you got some party to get to tonight and we greatly appreciate you. Keeping the tradition alive, man. It's very, very frequent. Last question. What grade would you give yourself for the week? Fuck it. I'm giving myself a

A. Yeah. I think that's very well deserved. We'll debate the merits of that once you sign off. But go enjoy the diet. It's fine. Go for it. Nobody's beating me in the 2022 to 2023 season. So good luck. Good luck making that bit work. All right, Max. Go have making that bit work. All right, Max go have a great night back. Congratulations, man. You're the man. Great. I appreciate it.

Okay. See you. Gosh, see, some about that US teams just kind of like. I know. It's just not likeable. I want to shout out for the people that are going to be listening back on the podcast. There was a great comment at the end of Max's little speech. There's like, this at the end of Max's little speech. There's like, this is weirdly inspirational from a guy that just wants to party. That's so what the drunk thoughts are. Soberman's whatever the phrase is. But drunk

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the best players just wing it. You know, you don't need to practice. You don't need to try to do anything repeatable. Just just get out there and hope for the best. That's seem to be what he what he saw. You know what what I will say to you know last night I said it took me a long time to realize that the better you treat your body, like the better you'll feel. And the lesson that Max just talked about, like, you know, actually having to be prepared and put in work, it took me a little

longer to realize that life lesson as well. Now, I also want to give a shout to my camera. It kept things interesting just about as long as the international team did today so Keep the keep the pitching analogy code. I mean it was just most exciting part of the game ready game Walk the bases load a game of a great slave unbelievable. I love the not through the order while Max was going on Michael. This is clear the highlight clip. We're gonna use in the teaser It'll be in all the teasers tomorrow. It's not good.

All right, it's time to grade some papers. What do you guys think? You want to start with the international team or you want to start with the Americans? Let's start with the Americans. They're on top on my list. I put the, I'm gonna go in order of like how they made the team basically or their final rankings on the points list,

if you will. Let's assume that to be a power rankings of everyone that made the team. Starting with the top, the eye test, Scotty Sheffler, O3 and 1. What are your grades for Scotty this week? Yeah. Right. Right. You want to go first?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Number one player in the world didn't get a point. I guess he got a half point was an anchor at one point to his teammate just a horrible week. Didn't she used to be a teacher? This is this is well practice. I thought you guys said we were doing real grades, not this great inflate. What am I supposed to give him a C because he like tried hard? Well, that brings you to to bud. I have C minus. I don't think

he was as bad as the record shows. I think he was a little bit better. I made five birdies in that first four ball match. He played pretty nice in singles. I think he ran into a couple of buzz saws. Randy, I know it doesn't look great having the number one player in the world go lay a big egg out there, but I don't think it was quite as bad as, quite as bad as it looked. And so I'm going, I'm going to see minus. Still not great. I think it was a good point that Davis loved made as well about how those guys just how they were following around the best players every like they, the, the, the international set put up their best match, best score, best, whatever you want to call it every time against San Burns and Sheffler in each session, Right, so there was a shank that that makes again

It got a burns in your memory as to you know what cut his week was like I'm gonna call it a C. I think for the number one player in the world We would you know we probably would expect a little bit more out of them yet at the same time You know they put up you know six birdies it looks like in four sums yesterday And you like you said he put up five on his own in the four ball session that he played. I know their first four-sum session was not so good. He and Burns both were kind of all over the place in that one. But I think it's a C. It's not quite the, Burns was a way better player than Sheffler

this week, but it was not, you know, kind of the same vein though to say like his, he deserved, he deserved at least a better than a half a point, I would say. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. He's ready. He's gonna say ready. He's gonna love it. It'd be super easy just to look at the records and give them a grade, right? Like that'd be the super easy part. This wouldn't take nearly as long as it's gonna take. Oh no, but at some point you got to consider he's allegedly the number one player. They really said that the best player in the world and had I told you on Wednesday that hey, you know Sheffler and Burns. They're gonna play Seawoo Kim and Cam Davis and get beat Okay, they're gonna play sung J. M. and Sebastian Munoz and get beat. They're gonna play K H Lee and Tom Kim and get beat like

At a certain point you got it if you're actually the best player in the world, you got to you got to win some matches. And into that, I would say when they went up against Sebastian Munoz and the international team went birdie birdie par par birdie birdie birdie birdie birdie birdie birdie birdie to finish it. And sheffler made four birdies in six holes on the other side. So it was possible. Yeah.

And that's what he made four birdies in six holes. The best way in the world. Why isn't he doing that? He did a lot of that is my point. So we're not gonna do this for every player. I think it's CSOAP. I think it's CSOAP. That's fine.

That's very fair. You're allowed to disagree. You've said your piece. Can't lay three in one. I'll start it. I am giving can't lay a B plus for this week. I'm right on that B plus A minus. I'm in a similar boat.

The big highlights are the six and five win against their two best players set the tone in a big ass way. And then I think his win today in singles probably was even a little more lopsided than it. Then it looked to the downside. Of course, he got his nuts. Tom Kim dragged his nuts on his face, which was tough. That's where he gets the minus.

I'm worth it, guys, nothing bad. Okay. Xander, three and one, I am going to go with a B for Xander. Cosine, it's exactly what I had as well. Just bad singles today, but otherwise pretty full of proof. Bad singles, but he also kind of saved them. You know, if he makes a mess of, what is it, 15? Things get squirrely as solid alluded to earlier.

So I'll put them on that same B plus line with his partner all week. Sam Burns, 03 and 2. I am going for a B plus for Sam Burns. Who, I got a solid C for what? I mean listen, I'm trying to meet you in the middle here. He was still winless I almost gave an A minus that I think that would be ridiculous He was freaking awesome. He played really good golf. That's all you can ask them. He was great

But not good enough. He was great. He was saddled with bad partners. He had to, I mean, he should get a, he should be great on entire course. Wait, who was his partner? He didn't get a full point today. He played great today. He played we he went up against a deck. He I'm team burns all the way. He played very, very good golf this week. Sam Burns if I may say played better golf and Max Holman played this week. They played better golf and Max Holman played this week. We can discuss that when we get to Max. I would have for burns a D plus, which shows you I understand the nuance between even though he did, you know, he got, he was a zero in the wind column. For the reasons you said, he still deserves more credit than a guy like Schaeffler. You're not telling him to, you're not telling him to leave the class.

No, I think there's, I think there's promise there. No, but it's not good. It's not good enough. Wow. Okay. JT, four and one. I had a minus. I think a minus is right.

That's what I had. Yeah. Okay. No further, no further question for the question. Your honor. Fienaume. Three in one. B plus.

What'd you have? I had that B plus, the Cantlay, Zanderline, B plus. I put him right there. Guys, I had B plus as well. How about that? Can't, you know, can't overstate getting dragged down by Kizner and that four ball match. That's also not his point.

That's his only loss, right? He was not great in that also, but yeah, that's that's tough in saddle with that. Jordan Speeth. A plus. I mean, this was my L.A. Plus guys, you go five and no, you get an A plus. Those are the rules. That's, then's the rules. Morakawa at two and one. I had a B solid B. I'm going to say B minus for more a cow. What where's the minus come from? He was pretty bad in that second, um, force obsession.

He played with Cam Young with Cam Young. He played some, he played so well in that first, you know what? That's, that's a low grade. I'm going to go B. You're right. He played great and singles great in the first match. One bad match. I only played only got three. Now that's tough, you know, maybe an incomplete, if you will.

I had him out of B and I, you know, he, I don't know if he got sick, he got mono, he missed it. We just had too many absences from, from Morra Kawa, but he did get the B. Yep. Incomplete interesting. We would have, we would have loved to have seen him in the classroom more. And he's so participatory when he's there. Right. You know, I would have loved to see them in the classroom more. And he's so participatory when he's there.

Right. You know, I think that's where he's a wonderful kid. Max Homa, for no, I'll start. I have a mezzanet, not an A plus because you got to you got to go five and O to get to the A plus, but as a rookie, uh, was was absolutely clutch in a number of big spots, which I think counts for a lot, I had them as an A. Bulletin board material here, I'm going A minus. Because I think he played a little bit of minus golf in there, and I sounded like he even kind of admitted

that himself. What did he shoot 42 or something in the front nine? Yeah, that's tough. That's tough. And the final exam still gets the A. As grades were good enough leading into it, that it's not going to knock them off the A, but we need to reflect, you know,

that that that wasn't it wasn't perfect. For the golf he played this week, I'm going to give him a B plus. I'm expecting some pushback on this. I am, okay, I am, but he had some very clutch moments. Listen, you know, he got the last question right on the exam, a lot of the exams, okay, you know, he finished strong in all of them. I just, I think he was a B, which is a fantastic grade.

I think his record, he was benefited from some of the pairings and got away with, he and Fee now got away with some things and that first match they played, they were not as quite as sharp, they played a lot better the second time around, but I would say a B plus, if they ran it back and he played the same golf, I don't know if he would go for an O again. That's all to say. I'm very, very, very happy and proud of our friend. He reminded me of the kid in high school.

It's probably Randy now that I'm saying this out loud, but it didn't seem like he studied for the test, but he flipped it at the bottom and he still got the grades. You know, well, and that's what I was thinking. What do you got? The starch is poppin' in. It's always great. I get it. I understand what you're saying.

I understand his front nine was back. He turned it around on the back nine. He got the W. That's all that matters. And how would any of you guys play when somebody shows up to the first T like this that's true like what else do you want from the guy and he wanted he wanted that fight he asked for that he did and I kind of want to take the minus away and he know what he fucking won yes I know he dug it out. Come on man I'm with you these guys are taking points away cuz he didn't show his work properly

Part of the actually you got to show me the long division He might have to look it off of someone else's test well, maybe again I'm just saying he said himself. He was looking off big-tone test for a lot of those first two days no big-tone big-tone gave him last year's test It wasn't it wasn't cheating in the tone, big tone gave him last year's test. It wasn't cheating in the moment, but he gave him last year's test. Like if you look at the first round, they got Pendruth and Mito in the first day. They were four over through six holes.

I'm kind of a movie day. They won that match one. I'm just saying, it was a tight little margin in there. We're thrilled with 4-0. If it was just based off 4-0, it would be an A, of course, Randy. Come on. I'm showing my... Well, I will say he won with Horshull.

And that's the biggest point you've made to this point. He should get a name. I'll bump it up to a name minus. Thank you. Thanks so much. He carried Horshull to a win. Thank you. Who wants to go first on Horshull?

One and two for the week. I'm a fair teacher. I think life is about more than just, sometimes the answers you put on the page. So I'm giving Billy a C plus because I love. You can get lessons for Shephler. Plus it's for Shephler. Because I love the way it's just a specs. I just Shepler. Because I love the way he's just effects so much of a road.

I love the way he looked. And you know what? Life is about book smarts as well as street smarts. And I don't want to discourage Billy just based off of his matches this week. Cause I thought he looked damn good. So what did you say, sorry, C plus? Just based on his hair.

That's literally just based on his hair. I'm well based based on his play, I gave him a D plus. I'm giving him a D minus. Because, he's coming down off the place, Mr. because he didn't bring what he was supposed to bring. Like the fire, and I know that kind of comes from making putts and big moments, which he didn't really have,

but we needed him to be the antagonist. We needed him to be that person down. He didn't even bring that to the table. He weighed down Sam Burns. Again, Wasted Sam Burns is 64 on Saturday afternoon and just could not give him anything. And I think he would, he had a like a four foot birdie putt at one point today to win a hole and he three putted it.

He pulled a Danny Willet. One of the only times they showed him and he just gave KH Lee absolutely nothing in the singles. And yeah, he didn't really give that much to Max in their four ball session either. He had two birdies there, but Max slammed the door with the birdies on 17 and 18, but no, it was D-minus.

It was not a good showing for Horsesho. Randy's great to Horsesho might be, he might be getting athlete treatment in Randy's classes. Ooh, I like that. You know, we got a big big conference game coming up. I'm trying to keep a melody. Which is saying to be really nice to have Billy on the team. That's all I'm saying.

That's all I will say he got a point and chef. We got a half point. But he beat the lowly Canadians for that point. That's true. Well, I got some thoughts on the Canadians. All right, Cam Young, one, two, and one, I had a C-minus here. That's what I got, C-minus. I think he was done some favors by some early TV coverage.

I think, I think the big drives, a couple big putts, I think people were like, wow, he's playing great and I don't think it was as good as maybe people thought. I had written down C, but I will meet you guys at C-minus, hell, for consensus. The putting was bad. It was, it was, it was worrisome. I'm wondering if we'll get a little data in the aftermath of this because it's hard to kind of quantify it. But I test on the putting was not very good.

Paul Stryker was okay, but still not at Camillon quality. And he just, I expect a little bit more out of him this week. First time, like he's got room for improvement. I mean, you know, he's got a lot of semesters ahead. And I got a two, four my first semester of college. I bounce back as well. So. And just because I don't want to see him in class next year,

I've done with him. Kisner, I gave him a get him out of here. Keep moving. That's such a resigned teacher right there. Just, everything, the whole reason. I am up to here with you. And you got into the profession was to help people like Kizner and you just can't do it. You just give him his grade and let the next year's teacher deal with that mass. I respect

it. I'll join you. I don't even I don't even even grade him. I mean, I I'm she was kind of like a mascot. He basically admitted it in the press conference. We'll say, that's why they picked me was for the, uh, the post game party, which, I think kids are very self-aware. Kids, kids, kids, who was auditing the, the president's cup. I don't, I don't even know if he was actually like, what are we doing? I think you're just sitting in the back, you know, I, I, I, so you're not enrolled.

You, we, we can't give you a grave. Making a couple fart noises with a teacher beds over. I think kids gets an F. I saw nothing that would- We're in sung live. Where are you? High back there. That would wear a-

I missed your kiss, Nathan. Thank you for joining us this morning. The rest of the classes on page 56. Cody? joining us this morning. The rest of the classes on page 56. Cody, what are we being unfair to kids are coding? No, I agree with everything. One question I wanted to ask from you guys before we move over to the international team, but who would be the team MVP from the US side? Spliff. Spliff. Okay, who are you most disappointed in? with spief. Okay. Who are you most disappointed in?

Uh, who I feel like you're doing like some interrogator stuff, trying to get us to meet Randy a little more, a little more closely, because I feel like it's Scotty, but I don't know. Solid. What do you think? I'm honestly, I'm honestly going gonna, uh, I'm gonna say, I know, don't let him, we can play the fifth, we can wait till our attorneys get here. I'm gonna say, I'll say Scotty, number one play in the world, I need to see a little more.

He played probably a little better than in the record shows, I know, but I still needed a little bit more. But young was, I was that young, honestly, we're my two that I was most disappointed in, I think. I was most disappointed in young just because I was super hopeful this would be a true kind of coming out party, set the stage for a gigantic 2023 season. And he was put in a position to succeed with more a cow.

I would say that first day more a cow was doing nothing but darts in there and they won that match, but he kind of held them back a little bit. But what about what about Davis love? I didn't have him on my on my list, but what kind of grade you give and captain love? I think I think a flat C C plus you won, but I think he was totally fungible. Yeah, I agree. Got the job done, but they took their foot off the gas on Saturday afternoon was kind of what happened at Medina as well. He redeemed Medina. I feel like people were quick to kind of dunk on him and say,

you know, kind of shit on his cap and see what he was. I thought he was actually a really good captain in Medina and obviously was really good at Hazeltein, but got the job done. Again, I just don't, it's really hard to motivate guys to win by more than they did. So blown to four point leads would have been all time stuff really, really bad. That would have been really sick. Yeah.

On to the international. We will start at the top Hadecki Matsuyama one three and one this week. He was in, I had him as C minus, which I guess that's kind of, is that what I gave Scottie to? Because I might need to either bump one of them up or down, but only because expectations were massive. The team kind of had to, the team was kind of gonna go where Hadecki and Adam Scott went

and he absolutely was MIA the first couple days. It seemed like he found it coming down the stretch and started kind of started to start figuring it out and piecing it together, but do you just go out and getting drum six and five and that first in that first match was that's tough. So I might actually bump that to like a D plus. And that's what I had DJ. I had a D plus and my putting my teacher hat on, you know, sometimes you gotta be tough graders with kids that you think have exceptional potential. And you got instilled a message that,

you know, one three and one this week is not good enough Hadecki. That's not good enough for you. And I think you nailed it with coming out and getting beat six and five in the first match of the event. It's just a horrible, horrible start. I'm right between D plus and C minus. The first day was really bad. And he was not bad since then. He got roughed up by Cantlay and Shoffley when they were playing really, really freaking really good golf on day one in the ForSums. And then, you know, they ran into him again in the afternoon. I kind

of want to give him a pass because that was that was peak Cantlay and Shoffley it felt like and he played solid after that. But man, the puttings just got to get figured out. It's, it's I can't do another decade of watching him waste that many good iron shots. Can someone who's good at putting understanding me how, like explain to me how lifting the toe up that much doesn't just shrink the sweet spot like crazy. Like how do you ever hit it consistently off the center of the face when you are basically just like eliminating surface area in your putter? And his toe is more towards the ground now than it once was, but I just don't know how you haven't tried anything.

Any we've talked about this this week, but why you haven't tried broom, broomstick, saw, mallets, you know, exorcism, anything. I mean, he had some, the international honestly got undone by some just crippling three puts this week from spots they had no business three putting from a deck. He had a really bad one on seven on one of the days and he just, yeah, he just, it's a, it's a, it's a waste of a lot of really, really good ball strike. I think people probably don't appreciate how freaking good Hadecki is because he just does not get the damn thing in the hole. But sung J22 and one, I'm going to say, I'm going to say B minus for Sungjae this week.

I had him at a flat B only because I would consider Randy, I don't know if you guys did many team projects where you were, but you got to consider that those two losses, he was paired with Little Cory Conners and it's pretty clear when a partner is just not pulling their weights. So without you take those, I mean, especially all shot, right? Like he's not hitting half the shots

in those, in those two losses that he had. And you take those away and he's two, oh, and one, it's, it's a very different week. So I'm, I'm giving him a flat B. I'll, I'll bump it to be, you're, I'm with you there. You're, you're right that he was saddled with Corey Connors. And that's, I can't hold that against him. I, I love it. I'll with you there. You're right that he was saddled with Corey Connors and that's, I can't hold that against him. I love it. I'll join you guys with a B, nothing to add. Tom Kim at two and three. So I have him, this is interesting. Right.

I have him as an A. And I realize the record is two and three at the end of the day and that's what people are, you know, that's what flies forever on his record. Let me, as you go into this, what kind of class are you teaching here? Is this a science class or is this like a creative writing class that you're describing this grade? This is much more on the... Sounds like you're grading soft skills here.

We're in a liberal arts. Okay. Okay. And that's fine. I'm just making sure. But I thought Tom Kim was the most important person in that in that team room and for the energy and the enthusiasm. I think he was the source of it. And it started to spread to other people by the end of the week. And I think that's a hugely important role for him to play. And I'm astonished at 20 years old. He won like realized that that role needed to be filled and for him to have the gumption and the guts to take that on. It just am so impressed with him.

He did a lot of extra credit. He did so much extra credit. He did not have perfect grades all throughout, but with all the extra credit he did, I will also give him an A, because there's also a huge entertainment aspect to this. And he brought that and gained a shitload of fans. This week could not have gone much better for Tom Kim. And that that pot on 18 on Saturday will for the sickos will live forever like people would not forget that anyone that was watching that will not forget that. I appreciate everything you guys are saying. Unfortunately, I top Mr. Kim in thermodynamics

301, which is a very black and white course. And I'm giving it a B minus for that. He was he had three losses to his name. He couldn't get it going in those first couple matches like the birdies came very late when he was kind of already dead. Oh, and two on day one when, you know, where was the energy then? Hilariously big day on day two, unbelievable. He came all the way back from from what would have been a pretty low grade, but then again, kind of seemed to run out of gas in his singles match against Max. I'm giving him a big grade for the intangibles as well. I love it.

And what I think is an interesting double edged sword is he seemed to not like in any kind of like this is this is a storyway, but he seemed like he really pissed off Cantley, which I think is a pro and con, right? Like I think that's hilarious that it's great, but I also think can't lay like came out with a murderous rage today and there's nobody on the planet that was going to beat him. So, you know, B minus, I'll told. I think that's a little unfair and I'm kind of doing a bit, but we can move on. I don't think it's a I think that's a little unfair and I'm kind of doing a bit, but we can move on. I don't think it's a, I think that's a very valid way to, you know, you've taken a different

lens to look at as weak. Well, he's got a full course load, right? It's not all creative writing. Right. Next up, Corey Conner's O and four F. This will be my only F. We need would be my only F. We need you to repeat the great quote. You are not up to the challenge here. And a lot of that is, it's kind of the total package, right? And I feel bad, because I root for Corey Conner's,

and I was like expecting him to have a massive week, which is really good. Which is part of why it's so freaking disappointing. Expectations were super high and just came out totally flat. I can't tell if they were joking on the broadcast or not about him, like potentially hyperventilating going to mark that putt, but that is like, that's not what you need out of a really, really big, big horse on your team. And what made it so much worse was they that that Thursday, ForSum's match, they only lost two and one, right? If he's a little bit better,

they can maybe flip that point. He and Pendrith lost one down to Horseshal and Homa. If you're just a little bit better, you can flip that. And the singles match was the same thing today. Like Xander was dying to be beaten today. And Corey refused. And I mean, shit, those are the three points, right? If he's better, you take those three points and the international's have 15 and a half. Yeah. It's almost feeling bad is always a weird thing to say about professional golfers, but I do feel for someone that is very, very talented, very good, an extremely good ball striker and someone that should have been among the international team studs, roll out and go to play for the week and just realize and you don't have it and just having that.

Oh, fuck, like there's no, I can't hide anywhere. Like this, you know, I'm gonna have to keep going out here. Like, they're not gonna sit me until the final session really. And then I gotta go play singles, like on my own ball, and I don't have it in front of all these people in an environment that's the comfort level has to even get exacerbated

on the decrease side when it's, you don't have your game and it's a different environment, right? Like, it has to be, it's a whole other variable that you don't know how to snap yourself out of. And I didn't, I got no joy. I see that point. No.

To that point, though, Sally, I think Corey, like you talk about what, what, what are good coaches? Do they put, they put their players in the best position to succeed? And I thought in a moment did, did Conner's that disservice plan on four sessions, especially when you look at like Sebastian Munio's only played three, Bizzadenhought only played two, KH Lee, only played three sessions.

I thought the big crime was, man, you gotta protect and high Corey and M&M failed to do that. This is Corey's first one, right? Yes. It's interesting to see the difference between, and listen, it's maybe it's a small sample size and maybe he was, he just didn't have it and that happens sometimes, right? But I think looking at it in a vacuum here, it's interesting to see the guys that really,

really get up. This is a very different week than what they have week to week on the PJ tour, right? Where I talked about some of the Korean guys and how they're probably pretty anonymous, going from tournament to tournament. I think Corey Conner's is pretty anonymous, going to tournament to tournament too. And I think he kind of just plugs away and does his own thing and he's never in like massive spots, right?

I mean, he has a lot of very nice finishes and he's a lot of top 20s and a lot of top 10s and he's played well in some majors, but this is a different spotlight. I think you got to be wired a little bit differently. I think it's, I don't know, you got to look at all the, oh my God, we're going to think about this guy differently going forward. That kind of cuts both ways, right?

That's what I said. The next one in Canada, I expect them to be on that team and I expect it to go better for them. I do. It's not a stain on your entire career It's like dude is a really bad week at a really bad time. Yeah And also go ahead. I was just gonna say shout out on Thursday or I forget when we did it But the good news for Corey is it can't get worse

So yeah, you know when you're in Canada, man, just be free and let it rip It's not a lot of time to be a part of the story. It's not a lot of time to be a part of the story. It's not a lot of time to be a part of the story. It's not a lot of time to be a part of the story. It's not a lot of time to be a part of the story. It's not a lot of time to be a part of the story. It's not a lot of time to be a part of the story. It's not a lot of time to be a part of the story. It's not a lot of time to be a part of the story. It's not a lot of time to be a part of the story.

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It's like yeah, they won the weekend, but dude you had you're so far behind to to catch up. You got no chance Yeah, and moments said stick to the plan and the stuck to it and they did win the weekend, right? And so it's, I don't know. I'm with you, like sitting here now, Moonew should have played more than Conor's obviously, but I just don't think you can know that. Even after two sessions, it's hard to know that the guy coming off the bench is going to go deliver like that. No, but conversely, you have to be perfect.

You have no margin as captain of the international team. And so I hear the stick to the plan, but it's like, guess what, man, you're too late. You had to take a chance earlier. Adam Scott, two and three. I had a solid C. You could talk me down on that, but he he seemed like he he was a momentum killer on day one, but then he seemed like he really found it and was kind of a spark for people. He looked awesome on day two, getting both of those wins, and then kind of, you know, I don't know if Kantei was getting beat by anybody today. So I had kind of a middle of the road. See day three was the day you had both wins. Sorry, just for the record

stating, but I always throw kind of, I always throw me off. It's been a long week. I will say a C for Adam Scott as well. Very kind of tough scene to start and then really some good golf on the Saturday, but yeah, I think a C is fair. I had a D plus, I think he is. He and Hideki are your horses and to no show, along with Hideki, that first day was a huge detriment to the team. He did have a wonderful day three. So I would, I would hear like a C minus, but I don't want to go any higher than that. It's just not comfortable. That's not not comfortable. Mito Pereira, O2 and one. Um, I, I, it's a hard one to grade. I don't, I feel like he played decent golf when he was on the golf course, but I don't think I saw a lot of it. And he got run off by Conmore Cowat today, but he didn't play bad by the

scorecard look of it. And I want to say C minus, but I don't really know if I haven't enough to grade on. I had C minus written down. And as you're talking, I was like, oh, that's way too, that's way too harsh. I don't, I don't, I'll say solid C as well. I don't, I don't, kind of forgotten man. Yeah. Yeah, I'm right there. I would go C minus D plus didn't didn't do anything. K H Lee two and one. I had a B for K H Lee. One of the few winning records on the team. I wish we had as covered by my colleague Randy wish we had seen him more. I think I

was shouting that coming into the week. Took down Sheffler and Burns, the best player in the world as we've, has been documented, played nice and singles today, just the first time out there, didn't seem to be really scared of it. It's a, I mean, on KHB. KHB is a big deal. I'll join you on KHB. I'll give him a B and of course he captured

the Mr. Sexy title today. I shame he only played three sessions. We you know I can't go any higher than a B because we only played three times. Yeah and the two and one looks a lot different probably if he doesn't you know draw a horshall in the singles. And so it you know just keep that keeping that in mind as well. It's an inflated record, if you will. Munoz, 201, I give Sebastia Munoz an A for this week. That was all Emelman ever could have asked out of him.

I co-sign. I co-sign. I was going to, I was thinking B plus and the more I thought about it, the more I think it's man, what a guy that outperformed his expectations, his role, all of that stuff. I'm with you, Sally. Yeah, I had him at A-minus. It's super impressed with him this week. He's a guy that was just another guy for me going into this weekend.

I would see his name on leaderboards, whatever. Stirred no emotion, and I'm going to come out of this weekend with such a better appreciation for who he is as a person, and I think he's going to really make me look forward to watching him play golf, which is, you know, that's a win. How about that? I think we probably should establish this up front, but we're kind of grading them based on what their talent level or what we're expecting out of them, right? And it's like a two, oh, and one, and Scotty or Jordan Speed getting the same grade. I think we can recognize the differences there though,

right, but it's like, Speed got an A plus. Well, true, but you know those are not given out lightly, by this thermodynamics teacher. Christian Bessadenhout, one, oh, and one. Talk about incomplete. It's kind of an incomplete grade. If I've gone to my head, I've given them a B plus. I don't really know. You know, he got rolled out there twice and he didn't get beat.

It's hard to hard argue too much. I don't think he played the best golf of anybody, but he didn't get beat. It's hard to hard to argue too much. I don't think he played the best golf of anybody, but he didn't get beat. You know, I don't think Kisner was the toughest opponent in singles, but got the job done. I'm giving him a C in his four ball match. He was not very good. He didn't really bring a whole lot to the table. He just was fortunate enough to go against Kisner in that match as well. And then, yeah, the singles match didn't really get to see any of that match today. But if we're looking at the sheet, you know, he made three birdies today, but, you know, was shot one over on the front. He just didn't really do a whole lot. And there's probably a reason

why he sat a whole heck of a lot. So in that regard, I'm gonna give him a seat. I'll give him a B. I, you know, who could he produced in the spot? He was asked to produce. Taylor Pendrath, O and four, I am gonna go with a D plus. I had a D plus as well. I just took the plus away. It's gonna be a solid a solid D

he did have his losses on day one were were narrow but they were still he did losing both and he kind of just seemed to get weaker as as the week went on that he started with some flash but seemed to kind of run out of gas or or just get swallowed up as as the week went on and getting run down by big tone was that was tough today. We needed him to hold the line and he kind of yeah, I'm Scott Pancake. I have him as a D, you know, appreciably better than Corey Connors, although they were both on four, but I you know, I just can't go higher than that when you are on four. Yeah, I think I'm getting I'm giving a lot of way to that putt in the shot he had in the 18 on

the, in the four ball session on Friday. Yeah. Because if Max doesn't make that putt, he looks like a hero in that regard. And Max making that putt is, is out of his control. So the demonstrably better than Connors, I thought. Yeah. Seaboo Kim at three and one. What'd you have?

I'm going to go a minus. I had a solid B. Just because he got B pretty hard in round three. And some of that Tom came heroics. We're kind of because Seawoo was like totally out to lunch. But the singles match, I mean that was maybe the most impressive feat of the day as my associate Tron would say is big dick stuff from Seawoo Kim today.

So three and one, some real high highs and some kind of low lows. That's how to be for me. I got to give him an A-minus. Wow. Well, you just look at the only guy in that team that has three in the wind column, right? I think the statement, part of the rubric, man, it's your hands are tied.

At the statement he made in that opening match today was exactly the type of statement they would have needed to pull off the miracle. And I think it's really a shame that he didn't go out on on day two after he and, oh, who was his partner, Cam Davis, they played so well together Thursday. Yeah, I got no problem given, see what especially going out first today in singles and winning that match over a four and OJT, that got a bunch of extra credit points.

Yeah, you guys talked me about, I'm gonna go A-. Cam, it's interesting. Cam Davis at two and three. I'm gonna go B-plus for Cam Davis. He was asked to do a lot. He did a lot. The record is a losing record, but went five sessions. He played some outrageous golf on Saturday.

And I think overall he was a big asset to the international team. I agree with you. I had the same. I think that three losses is kind of, you know, there's a couple of records that probably look better, but he had to go all five, right? And so I think a couple of those records that that look nice now, if they go all five sessions, who knows how they shake out? So I'm giving them a little leniency there. I had a B minus. I thought on the whole, it was a good week for Cam Davis, disappointing singles match today. And the only other knock, he was the hero in Saturday, four ball, but man, such a security blanket because Adam Scott was right there on each of those holes.

So I go B minus, but I still thought this was a good week for Cam Davis. Captain Trevor Emelman. I'll start. I'll give him, I think on the whole it was a B. I thought the, the, on the intangible side, it was an A, right? I loved what he was about. I loved the message he was preaching. I loved his attitude. I thought some squirrely pairings are what take it down to a B for me. And they might not have mattered, but to have any chance to actually win, you got to be perfect in who you're putting out there and the pairings that you're making.

And I didn't think he was that. I would coastline all that, Randy. I totally agree. I had the same thing in my head. I got a B plus for him. I agree with everything you said. I think it's a bit of, I know this is not necessarily what you're saying, but I think in hindsight, he could have done better with the pairings. I think it's always hard to put those names up there and just be at will of how it all plays out, but in hindsight, missing out on not getting enough out of Munoz is probably what knocks him down a couple of notches. I was thinking about this too.

This Saturday session where they, the both of those sessions are four matches each, and you get to rest four guys in each session. From that moment on, that's when the international's got a lot out of their team. And the early, the first two days are five matches each. And that's just where the US depth is just comes into play. And the international scuts spread out a little too thin on those days and got waxed. And I do wonder if this was right or cup format in points and only 28 points, if things would have gone differently those first couple days. That's hadn't really thought of that until just now. And know they've done better at reducing some matches, match numbers over the years to kind of help get rid of that advantage that

the US has in depth. But that played a factor this week. I hadn't thought about that either until you just said that, but I would totally agree. I mean, I guess they're probably trying to get more golfers out there just to have, we've all been to these events and you basically have, you know, five times as many players or as many fans out there with, you know, one fifth as many players. And I think they're probably just trying to to give more action to follow, but from a competition standpoint, I would agree with you. Guys, I got one more grade, Quill Hollow. Ooh. Talk about a, you know what, Randy I I had Quill Hallows older brother a couple years ago

in class and I fucking hated him. Here's the worst. And so I was coming into this smart ass. And they're just coming through every year the the Hallows right it's just we see him we see him every year they're always the same thing. They're always running the same playbook. And for whatever reason, this one, the youngest one, just really charmed me in a way that the others had not. And I have been to give Quail Hollow a B-plus. I actually really, really enjoyed it. I thought it was a really good test.

It was cool to go through a lot of the singles kind of scorecards today, and just see, like other than more cow, I mean, nobody really went low. It was like a very stern test. There was a lot of run-offs and razors edges and all those things that we've been talking about all week. Greens were, it was fun to watch them put kind of the lightning greens.

It was, for what it was, I think it was, I thought it was great. I'm gonna give it a B. For all, I agree with everything you said. I think the design is still rather dull, several dull part force out there, but I think the setup, I would give an A. I set up, I'll give a B plus.

I still do think it was just a little too fast on the greens that made for tentative potting, which I think for this made for tentative potty, which I think for this made for TV product doesn't necessarily always. It's like what we kind of won out of normal championship golf, yes. You know, kind of, you know, some challenge in it, but it just didn't feel like there were a lot, a ton of opportunities to make a lot of, as I say that, as the week went on, a lot more bomb putts went in.

But set up was really good I think the golf course was better than I was expecting out of coil hollow I saw all cosine a lot of that rainy would you think I Great not that much that I was gonna give it a B exceeded expectations What about you want to do the broadcast? I got nothing more to add many many people are just asking for a great on the broadcast. Before we get to the broadcast, obviously, well documented, everybody talking about the international team on how the guys who went to live severely hampered their chances.

But if you would take an American that went to live, who would it be and where would they, how do you think their performance would be on this team? Taking any of them. Obviously DJ is going to be missing Americans. I think he's the only one that I'm even like thinking about. Yes. Right. I am not with Bryson's not making the team based on what he was doing. Brooks is not making the team based on what he was doing. Who is it after that?

Cam Tringoli and Varner and what about the Gooch? What I have rather good, Taylor Gooch might have been on the team. I think I take that and... What about the Gooch? What I have rather... Taylor Gooch might have been on the team. I think... I take that back. I would put Gooch on the team of our horse. I would take Brooks over Horseshal too, I think. I mean, kids would be the obvious bump with DJ.

Yeah. And we're all also forgetting. We haven't mentioned that. We have something named Will's Alatoris, who was looking to be a big swing deck on this team. And that's a bummer, because selfishly, I would have loved to have seen him in this situation and he had been playing some really good golf.

Do you guys wanna talk Rome, or do you wanna debrief? You wanna talk coverage, that's what you wanna do. Are we just grading the coverage? That's great, I got nothing else to say. The people were just asking for a grade on the coverage for which I would say, I would say D minus, I would give them a passing grade just because they, you know, they got it on the air and it was,

it's a long week, but certainly nothing to celebrate. What's so ever? D minus for me. And that's truly along the same lines of, yeah, I struggled to come up with a positive to it It was just treated for as much as they hype this event is treated like worse than their normal events Crimmon absolutely criminal like there's no reason to play these matches if they're not televised like there's no reason for Kizner and Bizzayden how to play the eighth hole today, if like it's only for the people

that were there in person to watch it, right? The fact that there's not the ability to stream the matches that we want is such a fucking joke. It's such a joke for their biggest, like they're the event that they hang their hat on the most. I'm not going to get worked up about tonight. I'm not going to do it. Y'all going to make me get worked up.

I'm not going to do it. It's such a journey. But before you say we're going on vacation, he's not going gonna do it. Y'all gonna make me get worked up. I'm not gonna do it. It's a training before you say we're being soft. He's going on vacation. He's not gonna do it. The only thing that lifts the grade for me is I thought like the actual crew was solid. I thought like Dan Hicks and Zinger were solid. I thought all the on-course people were great.

I thought like John Wood like continually is. He's great. I feel like you don't really notice it because it's expected at this point, but he's really, really, John Wood, like, continually is... He's great. I feel like you don't really notice it because it's expected at this point, but he's really, really, really good. That's a really hard job. And he does an awesome job. So they're bringing up the D-minus

is much more reflective of, you know, whoever's on the team project sign the TV contracts, because they're abominable. But... I know. And this is not a new thought just to add, but it just sometimes it just hits you, right? You guys have all experienced this. Like the graphics, just not being able to show where each match stands

on the TV screen, either on like a little bottom ticker or, you know, guys, there's this whole other golf league and they figured out the scoreboard down like the left side of the screen. On day one. It truly, like, I want, I want, this is not hyperbole. It's inexcusable. It's totally inexcusable. It's totally inexcusable. And the only thing that leads me to believe is like, they either don't care or they have no pride. Like just be, you gotta be better.

Be better. Be better at your jobs. Here here, big. I don't understand why. Like the basic graphics that we get weak in and week out are missing here though like even like This is whoever shot. This is his yardage. This is the club that he selected. He's currently too down like No yardage is barely any yardage is barely lack of lack of tracers hardly any tracers. I know it's somehow getting worse and Are there any tracers? I know.

It's somehow getting worse. And. So, like you said, this is supposed to be a crown jewel of it. Yeah. It's have some pride. And they treat the players. And the same people that, like, I remember thinking back to the players this year and like all this new tech

and everything that they come out with with wind and everything, like, where is that at here? This is, that's what this stuff, like this event is made for all that stuff. Which I think just shows you, like, where is that at here? This is, that's what this stuff, like this event is made for all that stuff. Which I think just shows you, like exactly that is it's all money, right? It's all, it's not like they're not able to do it. Like we say this at the players every year,

it's like when you get the commercial load out of the way, like it's not like it's a different crew that's there. Like they know how to do it, they have all the tools, it's purely resources. And so whether that's them overpaying for rights and reaping that and not having to make cuts elsewhere, whether it's the fact that there's fucking four companies in the entire world and Comcast is one of those. And when they do bad, all of golf does bad. It can be any. It's just it has to come down to just resources. I would guess I made this point on Twitter. So I real quick. I'll toss it to you

but the The one upshot of Live being created was hey, you know what? competition this should force the tour and the tour's partners to invest in a better product and you know to totally fall flat this weekend in that regard is such an awful sign of things to come. Oh, yeah, no, it's a good change. Yeah, it's a good change. It's it's it's really super depressing and Yeah, glad really cool wagon wagon we've hit ourselves to here. Great for the president's cup for the week, I guess.

Let me start off the discussion here. So I saw in the winning moments of the competition today, things on Twitter, and I certainly think it was both captain's opinions that we shouldn't touch the president's cup. This was great. We'll see everybody in two years. I think you cannot convince me that this wouldn't be a more exciting, engaging, talked about event as a co-ed event.

I think it'd be wonderful for the game of golf at large that the professional game. And really, when we start to think about growing the game and trickle down effects, having 12 or 14 or 16, whatever the number would be of awesome thing. And you cannot convince me that the president's cup status quo is the best version of itself. And that's where I fall out. Nothing about this week change my opinion on that. I think what's tough, Rainier, I fully agree

with everything you just said. And I think what's tough, Rainier, I fully agree with everything you just said. And I think what's tough about it is when the best version of itself is still a worse version of what it's ripping off. You know what I mean? Like, there is no identity because it's such a blatant fucking ripoff of another event. And it's like, dude, you could give us all the cameras, all the crew, all the everything to do our best job at ripping off a Martin Scorsese movie, it's probably not going to be as good because we're trying to copy

something else. The thing, was it enjoyable this week? Yes, did I have a good time watching it? Sure. Did I learn something about other new players that I hadn't known on that much about? Yes, definitely. Was it like a way worse version of the Ryder Cup? Yes, it was, right?

And I think anybody who's like, this is as good as golf gets, has so little fucking imagination that that's why golf kind of finds itself in the place that it does very, very frequently. So I would say, from a grade, I thought it was like a C plus to a B minus because I think that kind of illustrates

like how good the Ryder Cup is, right? Like at its peak, I just don't think this is ever gonna be anything better than kind of a knockoff Ryder Cup. And I hope that doesn't come across as like something cheap to any of the players or coaches or anything like that because they are clearly loving it and they take it very seriously and that's not a shot at anything.

It's just purely from a fan perspective. What else, like, buddy, what else do you want me to think of this event? That is, again, the US versus the rest of the world minus certain continents so that it's all so arbitrary and, like, contrived that I don't really, I don't totally, I commend them at trying to give the internationals more of a, an identity and I think they're doing a great job at that, but I just, I don't know how you ever get over that hump without changing the format to what you're talking about,

Randy, and that on day one gives it so much more of an identity. I, you've said it all, basically. I was gonna give it a B minus, I think, just basically because team golf, it gave us some of those moments, and it was mostly on the international side. It was the way Saturday ended the Tom Kim, the celebrations in the team room afterward. There's celebrations on the 18th green that's like, dude, that happens literally in two men's events total.

Once a year, that happens. And we got that this weekend. I'd still much rather watch the presence cup Then even like a premium PGA tour week. I just think there's more interesting storylines fun stuff to talk about It's entertaining Yet that's literally like not it. That's not a credit really at all to any if the organization of it because it's just team golf I get it that it's just there's something interesting about that and I think it can be a lot better for the exact reasons you said with a mixed event. I think it would, and I get the argument that like, hey, we're in the early phase of this.

There's only been however many of them. And you know, at this point in the Ryder Cup history, you know, the US was up like 21 to three or something like that. And you know, look what the Ryder Cup turned into. I get it. I just think golf is at a very different time period. The world is at a very different time period of globalization where it you know is not that's not the most apt comparison really. And it's not. Well, it's also at a different point because I mean, think of like the business that the president's cup does, right?

And the whole point of like how much weight of the president's cup needs to be on the entertainment factor because they just want to turn it into such a big machine. If this was like something like the president's putter at Rye in England and it's an un, like un-televised club championship full of like history, then solid. I'm totally with you in that like, yeah, let the record be lopsided and we'll sort it out over the next century. But it's like, dude, if you're trying to compete for eyeballs and you're trying to give

this thing an identity, like you can't give me all the four of the cup stuff and like treat this like it's, it's some sort of like close competition. Like it's, it's, it's not, it's it's some sort of like close competition like it's it's it's it's not it's not there. Good good comment just now and the writer cup went through a pretty drastic change right going from just GB and I to all of Europe that's Tom Denway great point there um so there's there's precedent to for making pretty drastic changes On to Rome Does this week change anything about I listen? I'm the only one that thinks about Rome around the clock here And so I'm not accusing maybe I'll just ask myself this does this week change anything about How you guys feel about the the US's chances or likelihood of

Turning the tide in the rider cup. So let me ask your question with a question. Does it change any of your thoughts on where we're going? A teeny tiny bit. I would say I'm 10% less optimistic about their chances to go win. I think I still have a shitload of belief in this group of players and this team. And it is only the mystique of playing in Europe and this hurdle that they can't ever, it's that, you know, that feeling halfway through the first session when in Europe every time when

you're like, oh, fuck, it's going to happen again, isn't it? Is the only thing causing me any pause? Like it's going to take, there's, there Is the only thing causing me any pause? Like it's gonna take, there's something magical about going over there that's gonna prevent them from winning, it won't be their talent. Like it just won't, this group is entirely different than any other team that has made that journey on the ship for three weeks over across the ocean, across the Atlantic to go play in Europe.

It's the only three guys that I think will be left from the 2018 team all had winning records in Paris. There's no fill going O2, there's no tiger going O4, there's no Bryson going O2, no Brooks going one and four, DJ went one and four on the road the last time out. It's an entirely different team. So I sense from European Twitter, a lot of just a

invincibility when it comes to playing Ryder cups at home. And why wouldn't you? They do win it every time. I just I know it feels like we say this every time, but it just this one feels different. It feels like a different group of guys that I'm not sure Europe is going to have the talent turned around in time and developed in time to be able to match the depth that I think we expect to see there next time. So I expect the European or the US to win. This is not me guaranteeing a victory. I think it will be relatively close. I don't think they're going to blow their doors off, but I think it's time that they flip it on them. I think it's time that they flip it on them. I agree with you.

I think this can change day by day, and I'm sure it will for the next year. But I love the idea also of these guys going over without any scar tissue. Both you can convince me that that's a really, really great thing, and you can convince me that what's going to happen when they get punched in Is a is a really bad thing. And that's super compelling to me. I think that actually makes it makes it really, really interesting. Like are we going to see some of the same, you know, I think we've said that about a lot of the past US teams that they just kind of they get down and they just kind of turn petulant and unfun to watch and and some of those things. Will that happen? I don't really know. What happens when Zander and Cantlay and JT and some of those guys go out and they lose

the opening session 40 or something like that? I think that's super compelling, but that also might not happen. And based on all the every single stat you can come up with, it probably won't. But it's gonna be interesting. Yeah, not much to add. I think Rome is the ultimate litmus test, right? I read the European you know, writers and the Twitter sentiment. Not so much is like

beating their chest about the record in Europe, although there is some of that. But more so like, hey, let's pump the brakes on call in this American group, the best ever until they do win in Europe. And I think that's totally fair. And I think it's an awesome. I actually will probably be more excited for this rider cup than gosh, I'd have to go back and really think about the excitement level for that very reason. DJ Sully, what you said, I mean, this this group we're going to find out exactly what they're about. And that will be that will be great television and something to look forward to for sure. I think they're absolutely fools if they show up as unprepared for Marco Simona as they did for the golf national. Like they were shocked by that golf course. It seemed

like they were completely unprepared to play the style that was required on that golf national. Like they were shocked by that golf course. It seemed like they were completely unprepared to play the style that was required on that golf course. I don't think that's going to happen again. I know no one went over to play the Italian Open last week, which I would not have advised anyways. I would imagine that when they go over to play the UK British Open, presented by his majesty, the king, first time using that, I would imagine they will be making a stop. A lot of them making a stop over there to see the golf course, to learn it, and I know it's gonna change between now and then anyways, but one thing I was thinking about analogy,

and I know we're pushing up on two hours here and ready to go here shortly. My ice machine is broken here at my house, and so I've had to make my own ice, and I've been trying to cool my drinks in my Yeti this week, and when I would just put one ice cube in it, it would, it would melt. But when I put two to three in it, it formed like a really.

You just save this for a locker room speed. No, no, listen, it, uh, it, it, the strength of the three together out like the, it lasted more than three X three times as long. And I, that kind of dawned on me when it comes to team events and like when you are asking your top players to carry enormous burdens, it is inevitably going to drag them down. I mean, we saw this from so many of the international teams like the just the stress you're put under when you don't have somebody that's, you know, pulling the weight even in four ball, not even so much in four sums, but four ball. Just weekends, your top guys so much.

And the international has got lambasted on that front this week. And at Wisteng Straits, that happened strongly. The Roris were just totally weakened by polters that couldn't really do much of anything. And that's where it's like the Europeans can stack up a pretty decent top six and seven guys. But those bottom five are a big question mark as of right now. And I think that has a chance of like you can kind of pace it together and get by in the early parts, but over time that just is going to bleed and bleed and bleed and that's where I think it's going to have to be

US going to have to be healthy. The Xalator's injury alone. I think cost them some points this week because of who they had to put on The team at the bottom of the roster. But if they, if they show up with 11 of the 12, I don't know that 12th guy is going to be, but the 11 that I think we can kind of pick out, I think they're going to be really tough to beat. Coach, I agree. I also love that's like a, I mean, that's like a Galileo, I, Sir Isaac Newton movement you're having there with, with some of the natural wonders around you and your kitchen. I love that I would make a shitload of cents if I was like on editables for that I'd like to apologize for whatever the hell that was no no, I'm in I just that's like one of the great

That's that's the way that all the bigs do it man Apple falls on your head. I was, you know, it's going to be a big win for data next year. I was all like, hell yeah. Anything else before we wrap up a very fun week? Cody, anything we missed? No, I think we're pretty good. Anything you're missing out on big.

Yeah, I just, just chipped in a gear over to the LPGA. It was an awesome finish. A tie a titty cum. One for the second time. This is her rookie season. She is now 19 years old. Uh, I, I think all signs of points are being a mega star from, from Thailand.

She won in a playoff over Danielle Kang and Danielle Egold the 18th was a par five. She chipped in from off the green to get into the playoff, but just an awesome effort and hopefully caps the comeback for Danielle. You know, she had a big scare earlier this year with a diagnosis of tumors on her spine and we don't really know all what that was and maybe any like long-term dangers as well, but she was super emotional even in defeat just how happy she was to be back and playing. And so it was a very touching scene and a great finish this week in Arkansas. So one to shout out both of those ladies.

Hey man, to that. Hell yeah. For the commenters who are saying it is a Samsung fridge. Yes, it is. My wife is now in the comments confirming that it is. I think a reverse ad. And then a question about Guido Migliosi's shot into 18 at LaGolf National today to win to win the French Open was absolutely outrageous. Lifted out on the high side, if you will, overread it a little bit. But what a hell of a win for Guido Migliosi. 298th, I think, in the world, data golf wise, I think, before this week, I mean, holy shit, what a win for him. Yeah, we need from an American Ryder Cup standpoint, we need that to be kind of the web simpson,

won the win, the year ago, so he has to be on this team, type of performance. Jamie Weir, I'm calling you out here. I mean, there was a plea to get Gido Miggly Osea on the, which I get the Italian connection here, I do, I do see what we're calling here, but come on man, we're gonna need to see a lot more. If that's the case that I'm gonna double down

on my prediction for next year. Would love if he has a great year though. That would be, that would be great. So thank you everyone for tuning in all week. Thank you Cody for running the ones and twos on the live shows. Thank you for the commenters. Thank you to the haters and the people that are not haters.

Love my haters as Fina would say. And thank you to all the Yeti and all of our sponsors this week and the pro for popping on tonight, man, that was inspiration. So, live show is done for the year. Live show is done for the year. We will be back, I imagine. Some, well, maybe more frequently next year. Who could say, we'll see.

We'll see. We'll see, we got Samsung coming in as well. We did it. It's correct. We'll see. We got Samsung coming in as well as we do. So thank you everyone for cheering That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.