No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 608: Sanderson Recap

Episode Date: October 3, 2022

With Soly on vacation it's Tron and DJ on the pod tonight as Mackenzie Hughes wins the Sanderson Farms Championship. We take a look at the Sanderson's place in the new PGA Tour ecosystem and recap some notable performances from the week in Jackson. We also look at the action from the home of golf at the Dunhill Links and the LPGA event in Texas before closing with updates on the OWGR-LIV letter, the various lawsuits in the world of golf and the reports surrounding the LIV media rights deal. DraftKings Disclaimer: If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, crisis counseling and referral services can be accessed by calling 1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (IL/IN/LA/MI/NJ/PA/WV/WY), 1-800-NEXTSTEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (CO/NH), 888-789-7777/visit http://ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY), visit OPGR.org (OR), call/text TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN), or 1-888-532-3500 (VA). 21+ (18+ NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/LA(select parishes)/MI/NH/NJ/ NY/OR/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. New customer offer void in NH/OR/ONT-CA. New customers only. Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min $5 wager. $200 issued as eight (8) $25 free bets. Opt in req. 1 Stepped Up Same Game Parlay Token issued per eligible game. Min $1 bet. Max bet limits apply. Min. 3-leg. Each leg min. -300 odds, total bet +100 odds or longer. Profit boosted up to 100% (10+ legs for 100% boost). See T&C at sportsbook.draftkings.com/footballterms. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. a little fast break today with with my guy in the kill house. If you are adding him to a defamation lawsuit, he goes by Todd Schuster. Most of you probably know him as Tron Carter, Tron, greetings, salutations. How are you? I'm great, Dej. It's actually Steven Todd Schuster the second.

This year's claim and et cetera. Things about nature. Things popping off in the Jacksonville courts. Uh, I know you're monitoring that situation. We're going to get to it. But first we're going to talk about our friends at Calaway. TC, you've been on this block well before they were released. The Calaway apex blacks absolutely murdered out all black. Everything apex is what what do you got to say about these clips? Yeah, they're clean.

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I don't know if this is a tease for the trap draw. I don't know if this is something you want to talk about right now, but I'll turn that to you. It is. Yeah, a couple of things I wanted to address if there's something you want to talk about right now, but I'll turn that to you. It is. Yeah, a couple of things I wanted to address first and foremost before we get to the golf. A lot of people coming at me for the audio quality on the trap draw this week.

We were on with the starg Cody McBride. I do want to apologize. I was doing some hurricane prep wearing a windbreaker. People said it sounded like I was running down the street wearing plastic clothing while making Was on you at the same time. This is a vivid image, but it looked like kind of one of the plasticy windbreakers, almost like the FBI windbreaker was how it sounded to me in my years in my headset. It's like the Ted Kaczynski. Yes, very much so. Yeah, that. And then I was wearing my, my AirPods and it just, man, like, there were some vitriolic feedback from people. We've got a new podcast recording set up online. And I guess it's just hot. It picks up everything, which I would have thought

the opposite. But anyway, the other thing people are reaching out to us about is this, this whole fishing scandal. That's just absolutely rocking. I think the fishing world at large, big, big fishing tournament up in Cleveland, walleye tournament, and it turns out that these guys, somebody flayed the fish on, on the spot because they, they thought that these four or five walleye were way too heavy, you know, versus like what they should have been and turns out these guys were stuffing these fish full of weighted, uh, oh, not good. So yeah, just, just, just no, just like we've been all over the fishing, uh, or the, uh, chest scandal, we will be all over

this as well. I was going to say, if people have no idea what we're talking about, there's a bit of a house ad for, uh, for the trap draw, Tron and Randy on a weekly basis are monitoring things like this fishing scandal, the cheating scandal that was going on, a ship popping off in Isar by Jean. I just, I've texted you guys a one about Lil Nas X having to pause the concert so we can take a dump. It's just worlds, you know, things from all around the world, all around the internet, these guys are keeping their finger on the pulse. So, yeah, coming on, expect a trap draw, Adry there.

And you know what, a good, a good segue in. We've talked about Frank Melton, Jackson, Mississippi. We've talked to Will Paard, we'll talk to Lee Sanderson, Jackson, Mississippi, site of the Sanders and Farms and also the subject of a trap draw deep dive in the past. That's exactly right. Trap draw listeners were well aware of all the context they needed to go into today's final round of the Sanderson. You know what I was going to say, Tron? Rory McElroy today caps off a 66, 66 weekend without a title. We should have known who was going to be standing on the podium at the Sanderson. Of course, it's Mackenzie Hughes, his second PGA tour win this time over Sepstrakka, another

playoff loss. What kind of, you know, we're kind of texting all day. I think, you know, let me actually start with a confession here. I actually really enjoyed the Sanderson. Up until a point. Up until a point, you know, I think it's a weird spot. It's a weird kind of addition to the ecosystem of Pro Golf,

do I necessarily think it's great from a competition standpoint? Do I think it's great from a showcase in the PJ tour product standpoint? Not necessarily. But, man, was it fun to watch like a bunch of guys dry heaving and kind of like throwing up on themselves a little bit, trying to get a PJ tour victory across the line. It absolutely was. So where do you stand on the Sanderson, I guess, before we kind of get into McKenzie Hughes and things of that nature? Yeah, it's kind of the weird, you know, the weird fall stuff, right? It's, it's

Bermuda. You get all sorts of funky shit going on with like all the Bermuda lies as we saw with Emiliano Grillo. You know, like there's not a whole lot of people out there, but I know there's much people in the hospitality around there. Like under, like kind of under reported is like this, this turn has been around since 1968 too. It's been around for like 44, 45 years. And it's one of those that's just survived 900 title sponsor changes.

And I can't imagine all the logistical things that are just changing over, you know, every three years, five years. And it just kind of, it just keeps on keeping on. And yeah, I don't know what it was about about today, specifically. I think part of it was, you know, and obviously people will be nodding vociferously in agreement here, but I watched a lot of it on DVR. And so just being able to fast forward

through the commercials was kind of one of those things that really made my afternoon hell of a lot better because I was realizing, and this is, you know, again, this is not breaking any news, but the way I get so disconnected from ProGolf is obviously because of the commercials. And it's not only because of the commercials, it's because every time it goes to commercial, it's when I pull out my phone.

And then I start, you know, scrolling on Twitter or going down rabbit holes or, and it takes forever to like actually get back into it. And by the time you get back into it, there's another commercial. And it's just like this, that's how three hours just disappear and you have no idea what you just watched. Whereas when you're watching on DVR, there's another commercial, and it's just like this, that's how three hours just disappear, and you have no idea what you just watched. Whereas when you're watching on DVR, there's so many commercials, and there's so much dead time that you gotta constantly be fast forwarding

that you're actually pretty engaged in watching the golf shots. So that was A, B, I think, for whatever reason, I was able to just kinda get in the headspace today of like, hey, you know what, we don't need to think about live, we don't need to think about what it all means, we don't need to think about live. We don't need to think about what it all means. We don't need to think about like, you know, what does this tournament stand for?

Like, let's just watch these guys. Like a lot of these guys clearly don't have it. Okay, and that's not meant to be a shot at Mark Hubbard, but like today was not his day, right? That was, it was, and it was so clear from the first moment the broadcast came on. And it was like, okay, let's get youow to, I forget what holds five or six. Here's, uh, here's Mark Hubbard, uh, his third shot from two 45.

I'm like, oh, fuck yeah, man. Hell yeah. Here we go. And, uh, and just watching, watching him try to steer the ship. I mean, he's dropping clubs is it, it was an absolute grind for him. Seth Schrockett kind of playing the card of, you know, they mentioned on the broadcast, but a lot of what Max was talking about last week or two weeks ago at the, uh,

Napa event kind of just, just hang around, let everybody else throw up all over the place and, and we'll shake it out where, you know, it'll shake out where it's supposed to. And then McKenzie Hughes, kind of the only guy that looked like he was the guy, you know, at least as far as the ball striking goes and making some clutch putts. And yeah, it's just, I kind of settled into the couch and had a nice little Sunday afternoon watching the, watching the Sanderson. What, what, what stuck out to you is kind of like a, you know, biggest positives, biggest negatives.

Yeah, it always feels like watching a kind of an old school tournament, right? Like something you'd see from 25 years ago on the PGA tour, both good and bad. There's no shot tracer. There's not, you know, there's not a lot of people out there. But also, I always enjoy watching this tournament in particular. I like the golf course. Like, you got to hit golf shots. It's not just a putting contest. Kind of this stretch of tournaments. Like, I don't really like the Shriners next week, but I like the competition of it because it's these guys coming off of Cornfairy or who barely kept their card last year. Like I think especially some of those guys that were maybe rookies last year that are now second year guys trying to get off to a good start, right? Trying to try to write the

ship after you know really grinding their balls off, like during Cordenvery finals or during the summer stretch on the tour. And this is kind of the crescendo of all that when they shut it down, you know, after Bermuda or RSM or whatever. So, you know, like a guy like Nick Hardy, right? Like I got to watch a lot of Nick Hardy this week or the Garakiego. Like I didn't watch a lot of the Congri event last year. Or was that two years ago that he won. Right. So yeah, I just like getting to see him a little bit more. It's just all sorts of weird shit too.

Like you've got, you've got Hubbard using that super short putter. You've got, uh, did his putting stroke look horrible? Or was it? It always was just like this short putter. It's not just the putting stroke. It looked very much like he was, I felt very attacked. It felt like he was like really swinging that toe on the, on the, the massive toe on the putter to like, it's like one of those, um, Odyssey, I don't know, just like that, that shape of putter just like you either have to be a really, really,

really pure putter to use that or just don't. But then you've got like Dean, Dean Bermister with like the super fat grip on his putter. You got Grillo making an absolute mess like hitting, hitting exceptional golf shots. Like Grillo should have won this tournament by five shots. You know, Keegan, like it's just such a weird mix of veterans, rookies, second year guys. You got Taylor Montgomery out there. Tom Dietri. I don't know.

There's just such a, I'm going down the leaderboard now, but, you know, like I like seeing new faces and like getting to know new players, I guess. Well, I think it's, or getting to know players that you've just seen in passing one or two shots a little bit deeper. I totally agree. And I think it's a great,

it's a great game within the game tournament as a lot of these are. And I think, again, this is kind of like a very personal experience, but it's like the last year, 18 months, like there's just been no time to actually think about the game within the game because the sport is kind of like ripping apart at its seams. You know what I mean? And it's there's like so much other shit to focus on and other shit to be thinking about

and thinking about the ramifications of this and OWGR stuff and bylaws here and lawsuits here that a lot of what I think I was thinking about you know you a lot because I feel like you and I three four five six even like seven years ago like this is the kind of stuff we were like bonding over right it was a lot of these like very mid to lower tier tournaments like I'll watch out for this guy. What's going on here and for whatever reason today felt like a little bit of a throwback to that. So I was really enjoying that feeling. Yeah, it's, you know, I think for anybody who who argues that, you know, the elevated stuff is a bad idea and everything like that already exists, man. Exactly. It's a two tier, if not three tier tour already,

but these tournaments have a place. I don't know what happens to them with the fall series or it sounds like they'll actually become more meaningful, right, where guys are jockeying more for position after the regular season. Because that's the one thing, like you're watching this telecast, and they're like, oh, let's check in on the Comcast business topic. Like, it's the second fucking tournament of the year, man, or the road to the FedEx cup. Like, there's so many house ads. I'll send you a little leaderboard for last week.

Yeah. Yeah, it's exactly the leaderboard. Like, I watched Napa, I get it. Yeah, and that's where I want to be clear on what I'm saying here, I guess is two things. One like just because I enjoyed watching that today and it sounds like you enjoyed watching it. Like does that mean that you know this is like some win for the PJ tour? I wouldn't necessarily go that far, right? And I still think watching today, it's like, okay, we can't treat this or like

try to pull the wool over people's eyes and pretend like this is the same kind of event as Riviera or pretend like this is the same event as Bay Hill or this is the same as the memorial or any of this stuff and I know FedExca points are a little bit different at those events the line, but like these are different fucking tours at this point. You know, and that's similar to like a corn ferric tour event. And that's where in my head I was watching this today. I was like the only disconnect here is like trying to pretend like this is part of like the big ecosystem, right? It's the honest. Well, it's just be honest. And let's just like, I honest to God, maybe this is wrong,

but I think this event gets better when you just say the quiet part out loud and just say like this is part of the kind of whatever they end up calling it, kind of the lower tier of events. And you're watching as like, you know, oh shit, the CJ Cup or the, you know, Zozo or whatever that like elevated event is that's next week. You know, like, oh, Mackenzie Hughes has a chance to play in that now. Like this actually like means something rather than like, oh, Mackenzie Hughes has a chance to play in that now. Like, this actually like means something rather than just, oh, it's a win, you know, and that's a win. And this was a win. And this thing six years ago that nobody remembers is a win. And this one

that finished on a Monday morning, fucking nine years ago, that was a win. And they're all just and wins aren't the only thing we can get you into capillaries anymore either. So you'd still go to capillaries if you don't win. It's just a, it's a weird watch. It's a weird place. The clubhouse is even weird. Like, that's like that weird modern thing. I don't, it's just, but it's, it's a fun kind of weird.

I like it. The trophy's sick. The, you know, it's just, like, it's good second screen watching. Like, I was watching it. I had weather channel on on Thursday and Friday and I had this on on the other screen. I had NFL reds on on today

and I had this on on the second screen, you know. I don't want to sell some McKenzie Hughes short and we'll kind of get to that. And I mean, but like the golf course also looks kind of cool too, right? Like it seemed like that Bermuda is the perfect example of like don't I don't ever want to play that golf course. I have no interest. I'm not good enough. I would be exposed so fast trying to play out of

that rough and chipping out of that rough, but also like that combo of that and the greens looked a little firm. And if you were in the rough man, it was you saw that with Mark covered a bunch of times like there was just no chance of solving it close to the whole. And I don't know, it all just kind of added up to a pretty interesting, interesting watch. Do I think a lot of people watched it? I don't. But what are you going to do? You got to, you play the team that's in front of you. That's that's all you can do. Well, it seems like there was definitely some Bermuda specialists on too. Like I know, yeah, Mackenzie lives in Charlotte, the South African guys, three of them played well for Telly, Bermister and Higo. They're all, I know that's what they play on a lot down there. Mackenzie's one at RSM before it. That was his previous win. I know that's more kind of an

overseas deal. Grilo is a good player on on Bermuda grass. So yeah, it's not visually arresting on TV. There's not a whole lot of texture to it. But I like, I think it plays better than it looks. Yeah. These kind of, you know, mid fall events. It's, it's an event for the sickos, man. Well, I just watch it or don't. And would it have been, like, again, that's where it's like, would have been easy to skip this event for sure. But is it, you know, is it a net positive or net negative? Like, I think it's I think it's probably how do you power rank the The false series events. Yeah. Oh, that's a good question. I got to try to remember them all, but I'll read them out I'll read them out. Okay. We got Fortunette, which is Napa. Yep. Sanderson Farms. We've got Shriners next week in

Vegas a TPC summerland, which always seems to be pretty firm. Yeah. But also like very TPC-ish. And then we've got Zozo and CJ Cup. Zozo's in Japan this year, CJ Cup's back at Congri. And then we've got Bermuda. And then we've got Biocoba, Houston, and RSM. God, there's so many. It's like, there's too many. I'm gonna give number one to Napa. I think that Napa event has grown on me a lot.

And obviously, I'm sure there's some recency bias with Max winning and all that, but I think that golf course always plays really well. It's kind of the quote unquote start of the season. That one's always kind of cool. The Zozo and CJ Cup, I'm going to take out because they don't have enough reps to don't have enough reps to qualify right now. They're moving courses all the time. You never know really what you're getting. And they're kind of like the they're definitely the outliers as far as the two go. Definitely kind of free free crack giveaways a little bit. I'm going gonna put Houston after that.

I love watching some of the meltdowns. Some of the meltdowns around the Greens at Memorial Park. I'll say Sea Island after that, just because I've been there a bunch of times for that tournament and have kind of a soft spot. And I think the golf course is really cool. I'd probably slide in the sanderson after that. And then I'll go, and then I'll go Shriners

and then Bermuda. And so you're not even gonna rank my Aikoba. Oh no, my Aikoba's kind of cool too. I do like my, I don't know, put slide my Aikoba in the middle somewhere. Okay, all right. Are you roughly the same? Yeah, I'm around the same.

I think I'd go, Fordonets got a lot better. Like they've put money in that golf course you can tell. It's the first event around the same. I think I'd go, Ford and that's got a lot better. Like, they've put money into that golf course you can tell. It's the first event of the year. There's a certain buzz about it. You know, granted, there's only been like a week or two layoff. You know, I think Bermuda, I probably like more than I should because I think they can get some pretty gnarly conditions. Yeah, that's true.

And there's some pretty pictures there too. Yeah. Houston's pretty part pretty par threes. Houston's cool. I'm like a forward to the CJ Cup this year. I think Kangaroo in the fall is gonna be. Yeah, it'd be really good. I see.

Anything you wanna say about Mackenzie Hughes, I like I said, I know we're kind of bumping him down. He was the last man standing. He looked like he had some, like I said, he kind of looked like the guy all afternoon. He was the guy that was hitting big shots, making big putts and couldn't quite separate until the playoff.

You know, I don't have a ton to add other than kind of was interesting to hear, you know, a lot of his journeys. Just one of those guys that has been poiling away very quietly, right? For, spent six years since he last won. Same as Charlie Hall and the LPGA, kind of nice little echo there. But I don't have much to add other than, you know,

he's a really fun guy to watch Putt the Ball and he is like a, it's just, he's one of those guys that like, if you get to know him and if you're in on following his story, it's really cool to see a big payoff day like this. Yeah, it seems, hey, like I'm always shocked by how much speedy generates, he gets his hips and torso through.

I think that's been his big thing, right? Trying to gain a lot more distance and reach in a little bit. Like I think his career arcs probably a little bit misleading and that he won, he won 2016. And then, you know, kind of like, but like never really cracks into the top 100 at the end of the season. And then the last like at the end of 2020 and at the end of 2021, he's been top 50 in the world. So like he's played, like he's been steadily progressing. He had second place finish each of the last two years. He had two thirds in 2020.

He raised his floor, it seems like. I mean, this should get him up 82 right now. This should get him up close to in that 50s, 60s range, I would think. Yeah, just a solid world class player. Will you apologize for your international president's cup team as we have Mackenzie Hughes and Ryan Fox two guys who are not on the team go out and win this week? I was very vociferous and that I thought Fox should have been on the team.

It seems like they put kind of an emphasis on guys who play the PGA tour though. Just like, like it's striking a man will play Ryder Cup. that's a fantastic question, like, like, how does that work? Right? Which team? And he plays for Val Dosta? Exactly. You know, he's he's the Austrian Val Dosta but like that, that kind of fascinates me too. It's like, all right, like, let's say he keeps playing really, really well, gets inside the top 25 in the world. Like, at that

point, does he play Ryder Cup for Team Europe? It's a great question, TC. Yes, a lot of great questions. No, I think Mackenzie needed to play well to get the spotlight off of Canada after the the buckle that was Corey Conner's hand. It's Hilarp Hendriff. Yeah, it was a good makeup, good makeup. Which, will you catch me up on the, on the, on the

president's cup a little bit. I didn't watch a single shot. We had our close championship out out in Kansas City. I didn't watch a single shot. I would love to catch you up on the president's cup. Can I do an ad read first? Sure. This is for our good friends at the Draft King sportsbook.

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we're going right to the finish first. I'm holding, I think. I don't think I'm necessarily getting rid of it, but I don't love my position. I would love, love, love to see the board make a change at the top, maybe some managerial changes at the corporation. If I'm going to keep my stock,, we talked about this quite a bit, but it needs to be a mixed event. Like the whole feel to me was, you know, you can just feel that they're trying to make it, like it's so based on the Ryder Cup and it's just the best possible outcome

is like a shittier version of the Ryder Cup is kind of how it feels to me right now. I thought your captain did a great job, he should be very proud. The International's played hard, they had some, they're making, making what is it? Turnin' shit into shit salad or whatever the chicken shit into, whatever the, whatever the phrase is.

But still they're starting from this position where it's like, it's the US versus the rest of the world, minus Europe. Go get them. And I do think that like what they're doing with the, it's so outrageous and so stupid to say this, but what they're doing with like just the logo and the way they're treating, you know, team practices

and trying to create a little bit more of an identity, I thought I actually did shine through. So I think you'd be happy to hear that. Good. So buying your selling, I just, I don't really know. I don't, I thought it was worse than Roe Melbourne, obviously, but I thought it was probably better than, you know, the Liberty National one.

So it's hard, it's hard to tell. Now we're going to Roe Montreal. Roe Montreal. Roe Montreal. Yeah. But yeah, you didn't, I wouldn't say you missed too much else. It was, it was enjoyable watch. The Tom came experience.

I'm sure you caught that on social media. It was great. It was fun to see the pro 4.0. Go out there and go 4.0. Speed, doing speed things was great. You would have got very pissed at JT. He was being a little whiny. I think you would have enjoyed that.

But other than that, you got... You did prescripted celebrations or? Well, no, you didn't really have, I mean, he had a little bit to celebrate. Obviously going forno with, with speed, but they kept it, I thought they kept it pretty tame, you know, and then I think he was ready to uncork a couple in the singles match and see who Kim was just too much. So he didn't, he didn't really get the chance. I think, honestly, I think Seawoo had some pre-scripted celebrations,

shushing the crowd and, you know, just things of that nature, doing some deep lunges with the, with this bumps. It was, it was fun. You would have been proud of your, you would have been proud of your voice, but they were so. It was amazing how many times I had to, you know, I was trying to catch up on it a little bit on Monday afterwards. And it was amazing how many times I saw the PGA tour pumping their chests, beating their

chests about the build out. They were very proud of the build out. Which is a great example, like, and, you know, forgive me if we talked about a lot of this during the, during the president's couple of live shows, but it's like, like, what a great disconnect between the people watching the product and the people making the product. And that is what the president's cup feels like to me, constantly, it's just like these executives

telling you what they are proud of rather than fans telling you like what they enjoyed about the event. And it's like that constantly. It's like that down to, you know, the fucking opening ceremony. It's like that down to the fucking opening ceremonies. When everybody's really pumped to get going, just let's slow down the first all down the tempo

and bring a couple of execs out. Give a couple of HJs to really slow the process down. It's just stuff like that constantly. It's like people with no feedback whatsoever, like running a muck. And that's where you get the like, look at this build out. Fans should be so excited about the margins we got with these vendors. It's like, yeah, I don't think that's how it works, man. That's just really not how it goes. But any, any who, a couple of, a couple of quick hits on the on the Sanders thing before we, before we move up. I know you mentioned Nick Hardy. I know you

mentioned Tom D. Trey already. I really wanted to pick him and I just, I thought he was going to be gas. Was he playing in like France last week or something? Yeah, I think he's been bouncing back and forth. He's just kind of his first year at the tour card. Taylor Montgomery, what do you want to say about him? I feel like we need to warn the people. This was on, that was on yours I mean he's all the last year. He just almost like kept almost winning on corn fairy But it might be one of those things where like that's just what he does. He almost wins He's also like really good. You can make a pretty good career almost winning. That's yeah exactly go pretty well Speaking of which Scott Stallings where you sent him an invoice for some potential nuggets that I thought you and I had had banked on for some draft king stuff this week. You said, do I want to apologize for Riley Davis also doing

businesses, Davis Riley? I don't know. He's T19 in his hometown event. You know, he's probably got all kinds of interview requests, all kinds of, you know, all of the six major, all the Jackson, the Jackson, you know, locals are probably just beating them up for autographs. It's, it's probably taken about the dinner. I think it's, no, I think it's a fine show. I will not apologize, but I think who's going to win first? Davis Riley or Taylor Montgomery? Davis Riley, wait, I already.

I don't think so. There's too many events. Yeah. And there's too many Davis's too. There's a day of Thompson as well. So I picked this week. My guy, Will Gordon, almost Camiloed. He was first round leader, I think, and then he almost missed the cut. That's sick. We kind of switched us off. And then bez. Yeah, we're all firing.

We were monitoring this. And that is where to go back to the presence cup, I would love to have heard your, your take on the best situation. I know you were standing with Sali and that best should be on the bench, me and Randy are our huge bezheads. And bez was starting out, starting out hot, Kristi on Byzantine hoat. And we thought maybe we were gonna have a little bezfest going on, but that was not to be. So.

Yeah, I mean, he's like one of the worst drivers of the golf thing. So he makes puts, he makes puts. He does make puts, he does make cuts. Speaking of making puts, Let's talk about the let's talk about the grillo situation. So I was watching on DVR as I as I mentioned and the reason I mentioned that is because you were you were texting me like, oh my god, this grill if this is the most spectacular thing ever. I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. It's like,

oh, you'll know when you see it. And you know, Grille is missing like some four footers, five footers, I'm like, oh, maybe that's it. Maybe that's because I'm the guy. I'm the guy at the shop too. And he's like flagging it. I'm seemingly every hole. I thought, I didn't know which way you were going. I didn't know if he was gonna rattle off,

you know, six straight birdies and just take the lead, or if he was gonna blow up spectacularly. It turned out to be the latter. He made an eight, made about a, what would you say, an eight foot or nine footer for eight? Yeah, yeah. It was six, it was six feet, five inches for eight. He was, he was laying two 86 yards from the hole.

And just a spectacular meltdown, a great example of what that Bermuda stuff could do, I think. You know, kind of catches that. First one, a little fluffy fluffy ends up in the bunker. Bad, it was a bad, bad lie. Bad lies, who's kind of plugged in the lip, so he just hacks it out. And then from there is where I knew it was going to be something special in the like, man, he's, he's really got a focus on this one.

And he just bones it over the green like 600 miles an hour. It was like me. I mean, it was it was it was head head. It's just looking up at like an airplane as the ball is making contact. Uh, it was and he flubs the next one. Yeah, it was. It was. And then shot it's a golf channel for for going.

They did the the classic like we're not going to stick on it, but we're no way we're going to come back for every shot. And that that was great. So they had a couple good ones today. not gonna stick on it, but we're gonna come back for every shot. And that was great. So. They had a couple good ones today. Like there was one where McKenzie Hughes was laying up on the part, like the part five's out there at Cool.

Yeah. And there's a cool driveable four out there too. But on one of the part five's, I think it was it was other 11 or I think it was 11, another 11 or 14. But like McKenzie Hughes had like this two minute discussion with his caddy About laying up and were they gonna go right or left of this tree? And they kept on the audio for all of it I thought sands and Billy Ray and I think Jim Gallagher was up there like and fire them. They all they all did a good job this week

A bunch of pros a bunch of pros out there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah It's it's always just so jarring watching Grilo though. Like he's so freaking good at hitting hitting the ball. I always think about him, not that he would remember this at all, of course. But the first time I met him was at the junior players. It was the same day I met like Jordan Spieth and Patrick Rogers and all like all those dudes that were in that class were playing this this tournament. And it's just is every time I see someone like that from that class on TV, it's just impossible not to think about them playing Junior Golf with all those dudes

and their paths just going in such massively different directions. And it's just, I don't know, I know that's kind of a cheesy, like obvious statement, but it's, I don't know, man, there's a lot of rental cars and hotel nights and flights and mishcuts and made cuts and highs and lows all kind of like between then and now. So it's just, it's always cool to think about careers like that in the big picture. But he's been, you know, like he had a, he had a kind of a viral moment this week, he had a little bit of a Hadecki one handed club drop finished to, you know, eight feet,

pretty early in the week, but no, like I love watching him in person. Like he's a guy that I like going out and seeking out when I'm on side of tournament. And he's just seems like such an affable like cool guy and an absolute ball hitter. I think last thing on the sanderson, do you want to talk about Brandon Wu? I do. Yeah, I can't, I can no longer stay silent on this one. Brandon Wu, the way that he wears his hat, I don't know if it's the way he wears it or the hat itself, he wears it like less miles or Kenny Perry, just so high on his head that and I've had some friends say something to me about it. Like, oh my God, you know, my pet peeve is what Brandon Woo wears his hat. And I was like, dude, I feel the same way. Sick sick people that are noticing that stuff. So, you know, I just,

I feel like he seems like a really, really nice kid, Stanford kid, really good player. Somebody needs to have like a hat intervention with them. That's all I'm saying. And I think he's got great lettuce too. You know, I feel like I've seen him in Walker Cup and then USAM and stuff. I feel like he's got great hair. I mean, it's kind of a, you know, how much does that hat logo worth to you? Yeah, it's like you don't need to look like the, you know, create a player on, you know,

he has sports or whatever. And I'll also show some empathy from the big headed community. Some hats just don't look good on us. And that's a struggle we have with the shop as well. So I get it. Maybe we do need to get him into some of the more large domed hats we have in the NLU Pro Shop. Because I found a way to work around my big headed lifestyle

and make it work. Maybe I can pass away some key learnings. DJ, I feel like we're on opposite sides of this. I mean, NLU Pro Shop, because I found a way to work around my big head lifestyle and kind of make it work. Maybe I can pass away some key learnings. DJ, I feel like we're on opposite sides of this, but we can both reach across the aisle because I have a small head. You got a really small head. I know. I've seen it.

I've tried to put your hats on. It's outrageous. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Last things I had were just a couple of, a couple of really like bad groups out there this week. Jimmy Walker, Brian Stewart, Ryan Ormer.

And listen, I'm not saying it's, it's the preeminent event on the PJ tour. There's a dark, dark downside to it here. Brendan steel, Chris Stroud, John, huh? Which John, huh? Speaking of hats, I don't know if you've seen him lately. Where's this? No logo. Just like, but, kind of one of those hats that you would buy in like Gatlinburg and like Airbrush, but it's blank one. It's, it's bizarre. It's like, you know, it's like the hat that, that Neil and Carson did for their wedding. It was like a joke. It was like, Neil and Carson got engaged. The date and everything like that, but it doesn't have anything on it. It's so disconcerning. Where's these big sunglasses? He legitimately looks like a, like a, like a mob boss,

like an Asian mob boss. Like, it's like a, like a myrtle beach, Kendall Roy. Yeah. kind of vibes. That's very interesting. I'll be able to look out for that. I promise you. Yeah.

And then, you know, just, just interesting times down in the great state of Mississippi right now. Obviously, we talked about the water thing. I know, I know you're a big, Brett Farr of Guy. I was. I was. There was a time. There was a time. Yeah.

What a, what a, man, who could have saw that coming? That, that's tough. That's tough. Yeah. You know, listen, I don't think we need to pile on the, the, the fine people at Jackson. They've had a, they've had a tough goal with the last, last couple of months here. Let's, let's move on. Let's go to, let's go to the home of golf. Ryan Fox, Ryan Fox, a tough go with it the last last couple of months here. Let's let's move on. Let's go to let's go to the home of golf Ryan Fox

Ryan Fox a one shot winner at the Dunnie the Alfred Dunhill links at What is it the old course? Kerniustine King Spirons. It is. Yes. Final round 68 today for his second DP World Tour win of the year second of his career He's up inside the top 30 in the world now. Ryan Fox, very quietly turning into a pretty legit player. I mean, I honestly can't even tell you that much about him, just because I think that kind of speaks

to my what's become a very blind spot on the DP World Tour for me. He just hits the shit out of it. Second round 74, wish I knew which course that was out, because they played the three different ones the first three days. Well, and also day two, there was fucking train wreck, which we're gonna get to. No, no, no, Fox seemed really, you know, it seemed like A,

he took the president's cup snub in stride, but also used it in the right way. Fuel, you know, used it as fuel, used it as, as, hey, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna use this to kind of, I'm gonna direct this back into my golf game, which immediate results for that. Yeah. The, the, the Dunhill is,

the Dunhill is cool, man. And I wanna ask you about, I know you've been to it and you've kind of been on site for it. I want to ask you about that in a second. But it was the perfect example for me today of, like I said, I have not the DP World Tour, and this is a whole other conversation. And it's a much larger conversation with regards to live and OWGR and the world of ProGolf. But it has, it has become such an afterthought for me over the last kind of three, four years. And today was the perfect example of like, hey, man, your favorite golfers playing your

favorite golf course. Like, do you think maybe you should turn that on? And just like, I mean, fuck, man, watching people play the back nine at the old course is like, is pretty undefeated. So the reason I want to ask is like, I feel like I'm always talking about the Pebble Beach Pro Am on this podcast is like, dude, I know it sucks on TV, but just trust me, you gotta, it's a cool event.

It's really cool on site. And the Dunhill seems like it gets both sides right where like, it seems like a very cool event on on site. And also it's so fun to watch on TV. I'm just curious if that was the case for you or if people were closed off or are they relaxed, does it feel different than an open what's what's the vibe when you were there? Yeah, no, it's very relaxed. The celebrities, you know, and amateurs are seemingly cooler as well. Like Vladimir Cleach goes for the warming up for, you know, you know, I was like,

Rory, play with his dad this week, right? Or you've got like this art dealer, I think one this week. For National, I think. Yeah, and it's like, it's just, it's very like interesting, cultured, outrageous people. Johann Rupert, it's kind of the main dude,

you know, runs the, runs Don Hill along with a bunch of luxury goods consortium of sorts. He's a South African guy. It's just the perfect place to spend a week with and not take the golf too too seriously, but also Noren one last year. There's a bunch of it is competitive, and then you go up to, there's, there's a bunch of, like, it, it is competitive. And then you go up to car news, D, and it's a totally different scene. And you go down to Kings Barnes, and that's kind of, you know, probably more spectators down at Kings Barnes on, like, the Friday. And then you get, you know, old course kind of Saturday, Sunday.

So yeah, it's a great tournament. I think it's, you know, it's just fantastic Saturday, Sunday morning. Hey, let me flip on and see what's going on over across the pond, especially when the weather's extra, extra shitty, which it absolutely was on Friday for round two. A complete blood bath. I did want to, before we get to some of the the total train racks, I want to call out some some big dick underpar rounds Because it was it was kind of hitters only like the weather was it was blowing like crazy was pissing rain I would highly recommend DP world tour put together like a highlight reel of it's like a 10 minute video of Of Rory's round on Friday at Kings Barnes and I mean, it's just

Just chef's kiss like this is the content that I like to I like to see here is just the, you know, the best player in the world tried to navigate like with a soaked stocking cap and try to figure out what his cover is, what it's blowing 30 and raining. I mean, it's just really good stuff. But Richard Mansl, who was who was the 54-hole leader RIP, I always see that name. And I think of the race car driver, Nigel Mansell. I think but he shot 68 in the shit. Our guy Alex Noren and Alex Fitzpatrick shot 69. Big shot Bob shot 70. My guy Adrian Meronk shot 70. Calum Shinkwin, Billy Ho, Patrick Harrington, Matt Fitz, your guy Hurley log broke par.

And 70 one of those are the only people that that broke par. So just a shout out to them. Of course, an honorable mention also that your guy, the loyal Tommy Fleetwood shot shot 72. Thank you. Just some, some unbelievable 36 whole scores. Let's, let's kind of, we'll kind of go in a sending order of excellence here Thomas Peters 65 83. That's tough. That's tough. That's not going to get it done. Remote romaine lag gas.

Lengask. Romaine Lengask. The Frenchman 61 in the first round 80 in the second round ties the biggest differential on the DP World Tour. And at least in the last 15 years between rounds, 19 shots between rounds. Of course, Justin Ray come with the goods. Andre's Vermeiro, I think I remember this, did this at the 2013 Shriners, 61-80-1. We might need to do a little, let's dig it on that. Let's figure out what what happened there. My favorite thing, Alexander NAP, a bit of an homage to

Ecorito, maybe 36 52 at the old course. I just and that's not like a you know, like a scrub player. Like I think he's been playing like some pretty good golf. And that's how fucking brutal it was out there. I'll be honest, like that's not even the Icarita. I mean, I think Icarita was probably 33 on the front line. That's true. That's true. That's a good point. What would he do? So for those that have not heard this story, what you, we were there in April. Yeah. You guys were playing a match. And it was. Yeah, Neil's playing a match. Neil's first time playing the old course. At least course. At least we both have like very good caddies. And our caddies, I think, are like wadering on the round like unbeknownst to us and like taking it very seriously. And Neal birdies like for the first six. He's up. He's he's seven up with he's seven

up through eight on me. And granted, like, I was a little hungover. Sure. I played to the wrong pin on one of the hots going out. That's tough, man. For for a learned, a learned cultured man, like UTC to go to the wrong page at the old courses. That's a tough look. My caddy was like, what the fuck man? I thought you like love this place. And I was like, yeah, it's like the third time I've played at this trip. Like, this is like my favorite course in the world. What hole was that on? It was on like love this place. And I was like, yeah, it's like the third time I've played at this trip. Like, this is like my favorite course in the world. What hole was that on?

It was on like the rear four. God, that's good stuff. I was just so locked in and I got, like I hit exactly the shot I wanted. But yeah, so Neil, Neil was like a, here's a two-pot eagle on five, and he's just, just keeping the pedal down. And then we get to, what's the shorter four number eight where you go back to this little snack shack

There Number nine number nine. Yeah, so we go number nine. He he does not pull driver even three What I think he hits like a driving iron and I was kind of like all right? I know I've got him and then in the next t-box You pumps two Course doesn't find them. So I mean like like he was, I think he was four or five under at that point. And then, uh, yeah, and then I lost, I lost one, one down. Uh, you know, we, we both birdied 18, but it was just like a slow bleed for him.

The rest of the day, it was, it was, it was awesome to watch it all unravel. All right, P. What else we got from the, on that same day, Eddie Pepper went 515. This was on Friday, not, not the same day as your guys' match. But 515 is just, that's a great three-hole stretch. I really enjoyed that. The most impressive is the 313. Very. God, he could have won a lot of money doing that at the Detroit event. Alex Norton's just, he's just starting to sniff around a little bit. Probably hit the ball very similar to a Grilo situation.

Probably hit the ball well enough to win this week in Scotland and just put it like absolute garbage. But he's one of those guys, you know, people will understand this once tourist sauce comes out, but we ran into him at visb in Sweden and just what an absolute shot of life a guy that I'd never quite knew You know, you know, you don't really you see someone like that is a very tangential figure kind of in the world of golf You see a shot here and a shot there. Don't really know how much is going on, you know with a guy like that super interesting guy. We'll be someone that I root for forever. And him and Sali also got to, you know, got to talk through the OWGR situation,

which, which was great. So, so look forward to that on tour sauce. Anything to say about Rory? I mean, other than the touching homage to Mackenzie Hughes, you know, I. I thought Kyle Porter doing his usual, you know, Rory, you know, Rory's the greatest player to ever live, your team on Twitter today. But he backed it up with with a really good stat about basically, somebody was saying, Rory couldn't get it in the house, he couldn't get in the barn, he couldn't get the W's in like, Rory, Rory wins like a outrageous clip. Yes, he's so fucking good, man. And his year, like, it's gonna be so overshadowed by the live stuff and what happened at St. Like the first time at St. Andrews,

which was kind of similar to today. And, you know, coming up short at some of the other majors, but can I just read off like his, some of his, his finishes here? This is starting at the masters. Okay. Just like again, go and match the gorilla thing. Like talk about just, you know, traveling from city to city, practice rounds, like all that kind of stuff. And then to come out and do this for the season. Second at the masters, fifth at Wells Fargo, eighth at the PGA, T18 at the Memorial Horrible Week, won the Canadian Open T5 at the US Open, eighth at the PGA, T18 at the Memorial Horrible Week.

One in the Canadian Open, T5 at the US Open, T19 at the Travelers, third at the Open, missed the cut at St. Jude. I still don't really know what was going on there. I didn't, I kind of abstained from the St. Jude event. T8 at BMW won the tour championship. I believe you won the 72 whole scores too before you, before you pick any nits with that. T2 at the BMW PGA, fourth at the Italian Open and T4 this week at the Dunhill. Like he's just like turned into the absolute contention monster this year. It's insane and it's going to be very overshadowed by a lot of stuff. But again, as we've been saying, I think you got to, it's got to pay off with big things at the majors at some point. I'm gonna keep the faith. Billy Ho, man.

He, uh, yeah, I'm on my list too. I just didn't have him on my list of guys who would love Link's golf. I know. And love foreign countries and love, like hanging out in foreign countries. And I mean, this year alone, he's played, obviously he played the British Open,

he played the Scottish Open. I played the BNW International, with the BNW PGA,, obviously he played the British Open, he played the Scottish Open, I played the BNW International, I played the BNW PGA, and then he played the Dunhill this year as well. So it's, you know, he's been spending a lot of time over there. Maybe he's trying to get a look for like, you know, I guess they're going to try to kick out the new Prime Minister. Maybe he's trying to get a look for that. But even despite all that, he's still not in the top.

He's 91st on the DP World Tour ranking. But even despite all that, he's still not the top, he's 91st on the DP World Tour ranking, just not quite enough juice in some of these finishes. I thought it was interesting that they gave Peter Eulon a sponsor exemption. Very interesting. Very interesting. On that note, I think there were nine live guys in the field. It brings me no pleasure to report

that six of them missed the cut. T56 for your guy, Blandy. And a couple of T10s for Ustaz and Peter Eulin. So fair play to him to actually back up his sponsor exemption. But I was thinking about it from a purse perspective, just like currency wise, with the hero and the pound absolutely in the tank. Yeah, those European tour purses, which have kind of been pretty flat or dwindling for the last few years, look even worse way worse. It's crazy. That's a good point. I hadn't thought about that.

Anything else on the donhel? I think I'm going to add that to my, that might be on my bucket list, going forward to that, that would be, I think trying to play in that thing would be about as cool as it would get. It's, I think it's very much a, like, it's kinda like, all right, that's a wrap for like the serious golf for the year. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like it's kind of a good capstone.

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The ascendant spot, uh, presented by blue at TV. That's right. That, that is what's in my head now. So in my head is just the ascendant is, is taking over recruiting members, uh, across a, a bevy of different tours. And today it seems like they recruited Charlie Hall. They gave her some cowboy boots. It looked like a Texas-shaped trophy. Down at the colony in Texas. Did you get to watch much of this? I watched something actually, like kind of followed along Thursday, Friday. I was kind of bummed on Friday because the conditions looked awful on Thursday. Like the wind was coming off the lake. I think it's a great, great way for conditions.

Yeah. Yeah. It's an old American down there, which I'm told from people in the plex that it's not a bad course. It's one of their few decent looks. It looked interesting. It looked like it had, looked like it had some, uh, some cool runoff spots and some cool, you know, some bad places to miss and stuff like that.

No, I get such a kick out of Charlie whole. Charlie whole fucking rules. I'm so, so, you know, Charlie Hall. She just, she just peacocks everywhere. She's always wearing like the lower jumpsuits around and she, she, like, she just seems like a, a player. A hundred percent. She just loves gaming. Fucking people up at the Soulheim Cup last year. Like the more Charlie Hall wins, the more

season the mix, the better it is for golf in general. I had a had a blast watching her, watching her close it out. She you Lynn, little birdie eagle on 1617 to make it interesting, but not quite enough. So Charlie, I mean, honestly, everything we said about McKenzie Hughes, right? I feel like his is similar. And for Charlie Hall, she's probably a little bit more of a visible kind of premiere player with with English golf and Soulheim cups and some of that stuff. But the same thing, you know, you're grinding away for six years, trying to get back in the winter circle. That is, that's, that's a tough way to, a tough way to go about it. So kudos to her.

64 in rounds two and four closing 64. That's what I've already done the stretch. Always going to be hard to beat that. And I think just for the monitoring department, Lydia Coe is similar to some of those Rory finishes, man. 19 starts this year. I think she has like 11 or 12 top 10s. It seems like a similar situation where it could be just a complete monster breakout next year with another one of those like going another one of her years where she rattles

off a couple majors. Or maybe this was the year for her an Rory. Maybe they maybe they squandered it. Who knows? Yeah, Lydia, it feels like she's getting up in the deer stand, getting up in the duck blind. She's going to start hunting here soon. LPGA goes to Southern California. I think this week, I think that's right. The Satacoit club down there. And then they're off for a week and they go to Asia for two weeks. They go to Korea and Japan. So. And I know you can't point this out because I think maybe you have a live fatwa. I'm not sure. There is a fatwa. Yes. Lizette Salas T7. And the reason we mentioned this, anytime the broadcast is going to tell

me someone closes with 43 straight holes without a bogey, that's worth a mention. So that's that's the kind of stuff that that just really really melts your brain a little bit. On the pace of play front, because that's one of the reasons LaZette has a has a façade on her. Sure. Uh, I don't I don't think we gave Mark Hubbard enough credit for how slow he played. I think you're right. I think I think we skipped over that a little bit. Mark Hubbard's an interesting one, because I feel like it seems like a great guy seems very interesting. I think you're right. I think I think we skipped over that a little bit. Mark Hubbard's an interesting one because I feel like it seems like a great guy seems very interesting. We hear nothing, but nothing but great things from from Homa, the the pro 4.0 is a is a massive fan. I think they share a lot of houses, spend a lot of time together.

Uh, play a lot of practice rounds together. But the, uh, the pace of play was was tough. That was, that was a tough experience to get past today. Like 12, 13, 14 practice pots, you know, taking the pods from every little angle, like on that break, it's really, really like staggering to watch. And he just looks uncomfortable with the putter. Yeah. And I don't know if that was a today thing or if that was a, if that's an everyday thing, but we're going to monitor that situation, I think, because today was today was, it was very uncomfortable to watch and play golf today. And a lot of that is obviously getting in the, in the

cauldron and trying to win. But man, that was, that was a guy that looked, looked very, very uncomfortable. Should we get to everybody's favorite section, the live section of the discourse? Yeah, we've got the live section, got some OWGR stuff, we got lawsuit, we got the legal section, and then we've got a bunch of random nonsense at the end. So if you're not into the live stuff,

rest assured there's more non-live stuff at the end. So let's start, this is an old story, but we kind of breezed over it during the president's cup. And obviously you were not on the president's cup live shows because you were out at the Roost Cup championship in Kansas City. But there was a letter sent from a bunch of the live players to the OWGR board to his Eminence Peter Dawson, the chairman of the governing board of the OWGR. One of the, one of the foremost British accents, I would say, in the world of golf, maybe the world in general.

And they're basically laying out why they think they should get OWGR points. They were asking for retroactive points for their past events. They're kind of leaning on this idea that the rankings are gonna be tainted or irrelevant if live events are not included. I guess let me start with you, TC.

What do you, like, where do you stand on this, what's your, what's your read on the OWGR live situation? Good question. I think it's probably gonna be tricky. Like it's putting the mainters in everybody in a tough spot and just cause it's, it's almost tough not to collude. Right.

Right. But like, I think there's two different arguments here. and just because it's almost tough not to collude. Right. Right. But like, I think there's two different arguments here. Like, I don't have a great sense of like how you could retroactively do this when you chose to break these rules and you knew what the waiting period was for any tour, much less. You know, and of course they're going to slow walk your application and all that at this point. And it's like monahan and pelly and the international federation of PGA tours. There's a cabal there, sort of, where they have what, four of the seven things.

And it seems like Peter Dawson's always kind of been a, I know he's been floating around in the Middle East the last few years. He's like a big golf-dew by-guy know, he's probably a sympathetic party to a certain extent. Yeah. I don't know. I think, you know, I then add to that all of Rory's comments as well. Like I certainly would want the best players in the world ranked accordingly. I think Dustin Johnson is somewhere around 100th in the world. It's not an accurate reflection of where he is in the game. Stop the quote. He didn't say anything else. Run with that. Run with that headline. There's, there's nothing else. No, just, of course, Rory continued. Yeah. But at the same time, you can't make up your own rules. There's criteria

there. And everyone knows what they are. If they want to pivot to meet the criteria they can. And then all of a sudden, I certainly have no problem with them getting world ranking points at all. You just have to meet the criteria. And if you don't meet the criteria, it's going to be hard to justify why you should have them, which that entire time I was reading that, I was just thinking of the Isaiah Thomas, I met the criteria. I'm a criteria. But, you know, I think on that front too, like John Wood had a really good tweet this week, the Cadi turned broadcaster. He said, you know, basically like, what's, you know, you're saying that lives not letting you play in their events, like are you letting them play in your events?

Right. No, like, no, hey, no, you're not. And be like, you can't because there's like 48 guys and there's no, there's no way you didn't activity to the ecosystem or yeah, there's no qualification system. There's, you know, it's just kind of arbitrary, right? So, yeah, I mean, I don't think the, I don't think the OWGR stuff is anything,

there's nothing groundbreaking there. It was a little bit of a desperate measure, I thought, if anything. It's, yeah, I think it's, you can kind of choose like which side of the bed you wake up on and like how you want to think about this, I feel like, because I think there's a good faith conversation to be had about the idea of, you know, if Cam Smith is, you know, if Cam Smith is rated as the

17th best player in the world, is that an accurate reflection of, you know, the totality of professional golfers and how they should be ranked? best player in the world is that inaccurate reflection of, you know, the totality of professional golfers and how they should be ranked. Like, no, I don't think it is, right? But like, Cam Smith chose to go play in a bunch of unranked events. And he knew that they were unranked. And he knew that like, that, that's where I think the, the conversation kind of just breaks apart. It's like, it's not like this is a black box thing where the AWGR is saying like, it's not like it's a coach's poll, right? And they're just like choosing to not have your events in there. Like what I don't get is like, why don't they just, like I don't get why they wouldn't just move to fit the criteria. Then there would be absolutely

nobody in the entire world that would say that they shouldn't get points. Right. And it's just I don't know. I hear you. It goes beyond just the 54 holes. Right. It, you know, yeah, it goes to like number of players, number of events, number like, but I think there's, yeah. I think you have a lot stronger case. Like that's where everybody who has this conversation is like, well, the fucking, you know, the WGC's don't have cut. And, you know, the hero world challenge doesn't have a cut and all of that stuff. And I think you have a much better, you know, a much better argument with a lot of that stuff. If you're at least trying to meet some of the other ones, you know what I mean? Like the reason all of those were able to happen in that way is because

like WGC's for example are a group of tours that are already sanctioned by the OWGR that have already followed all of these criteria that have designated a very clear way for how you qualify for these tournaments. It's almost like sits on top of, yeah, it like sits on top of their tours, right? And that's where it's like, yeah, of course, like these are going to get ranking points because they're already in the ecosystem. The Hero World Challenge is one that like, I don't, I think it took them like seven years, basically six or seven, eight years, something like that of not getting points before they finally like petition, petition, petition, petition, petitioned and said, listen, like, here's the field,

here's like over the last, you know, seven years, like, here's been the strength of field, here's who we invite, here's why we invite them. You know, yada yada yada, it's, it's like, there's something so different about Tiger Woods hosting an event for eight, nine years that like eventually gets points. That's so different than, hey, we've been around for four tournaments. Like, what the fuck? You're ruining, you're ruining golf if you don't give me points. It's like, where's she? What? We're rocking up to Stone Hill golf club in Bangkok, Thailand.

Yeah. If you don't give me points, then you're ruining golf. I don't know what to tell you. And so of course, it's like, there's all these things that are, you know, this is where it turns into like the, the four or one class, right? Is when you actually get into how strength the field works and what their tournaments would actually look like if they did get points, which like, first of all, yes, there have been tours that have gotten like that have 54 whole events that have gotten points. They're captives developmental tours. so they don't get very many points,

layer onto that, like the fields fucking stink at the live events in the first place, and they're not deep, so they are going to work against, you know, the new changes to the OWGR. So then of course, like, they're not going to get very many points. And then how do you think they're going to handle that, right? And so that's where it's just like, dude, you're not even, you're not even coming at this as like a real argument. You're just gonna be pissed no matter what the situation is until they just say, yeah, no, James Piot, man. Of course, you should be the 48th ranked player in the world. You're playing on the live tour.

You know what I mean? And it's just, you take a guy like that that signed a contract to play in this league. Like they could have just as easily signed you to play in this. And you're basically giving, like, I'm sorry, I know I'm Ramley, but like the stupidest argument that I feel like I hear is, well, you just, okay, we don't have a cut,

but we'll just give ranking points to the top half of these guys. So like the only the top 24, we'll get ranking points. And it's like, okay, so now you have, not to pick on him, I'm sure he's a very nice guy, but you have James Piot, right? Who now instead of like going to Q school and getting a corn fairy tour card and working your way through the corn fairy tour and getting a PGA tour card and then at a PGA tour event, beating 100 and or whatever it is, 70 other PGA tour players to get world ranking points. You're telling him, okay, all you need to do is beat 24 of these arbitrarily signed

guys. And you have a chance to earn points like how is that a level plan field at all? And so then I think the counter to that would be like, Oh, well, you just like scale them down. It's like fine. Like cool. If that, but like, let me tell you how that conversation is going to go. It's just while Cam Smith won and you're only giving him three points for winning. It's like, that's not going to go well either. So it's just, it's, it's going to be like vociferous bitching from the live people until they get what they want. And it's going to be just like colossal point missing from people who don't have the whole story and it's just going to turn into like this

Complete shit sandwich of a discussion like everything else has speaking of which did it Use golf facts was very very involved in the conversation this week on Twitter tread tread lightly or TZ He or she offered up the following in response to glued activator asking why she hates America. Quote. I love America. I also love fairness, competition, and equality. Also adamant that the reads are not drinkers and linked repeatedly to an episode of the quote, the thinking man's show on YouTube where they dig into the OWGR. Which I think if you don't watch, it means you're not a thinking man.

I think that's pretty clear. You know, a lot of people are saying, what about what about jumbo zaki? What about the bozaki on the Asian, on the Japan tour? He's given free reign over there. It sounded like they let him kind of make the rules in the actual tournaments. And he had enough points stockpiled to basically stay in the world, in the top 100 in the world, like well after his playing career was effectively over.

And guess what? We don't we don't do it like that anymore. That's not a good system. But I don't know. And I think at the end of the day, it's is the OWGR, some sort of of monopolistic entity is far outside my pay grade. And I'm sure that will probably come to some sort of court situation as well. But in the meantime, it's just like, dude, it's really hard to have too much sympathy for anybody who knew exactly what they were signing up for. Yeah. Like that's what the money was for.

Truly, truly. And so it's this whole just man, like, why are my being so persecuted? All I did was like, all of these things you told me not to do is I, yeah, it's really hard to feel too sympathetic for those people. But I tell you what's going to be absolutely lit. It's going to be US open and pressure up a qualifying. Hopefully. Yeah. I totally, right. And that's, or to that. No, exactly.

It's gonna be, it's gonna be great. It'll be awesome to see if people actually do show up for them or if they just happily skip majors, which Loki is kind of what I think they'll end up doing. But we'll see. Yeah. I mean, it'll be interesting like to see who makes that choice on a personal level, right?

Right. Where you want to go next? Let's go. I mean, so we've got we've got a lawsuit stuff percolating around. I tweeted this last week, the, Michelson is cooperating. The kind of the word that we're getting on the street is Michelson is cooperating with the DOJ investigation, which so I don't have my notes in front of you with the DOJ investigation is basically this was kind of leaked by live, right? I think it was, I don't think it was leaked by live, I think it was leaked by the tour. It kind of spook lawmakers into thinking, oh, like they're, you know, you're doing the bidding

of a foreign government against an American nonprofit. Gotcha. You know, so the Department of Justice is investigating the tour for basically anti-monopolistic practices, right? Yeah, especially I think a lot of it's around the group boycott stuff, so kind of inducing and co-wersing like vendors like 10 companies and, you know and broadcast partners and others. How do you think they get that big ass build out to not work with live and to only work with

PGA tour on this front? So which is highly, highly illegal as far as that stuff goes. But so, Michelson has basically heard that he's turning over documents and sitting for interviews and like he's friendly to the investigation. He's helping. This is after he, you know, like, you know, was quoted as saying like, yeah, like, you know, everything's straight. We're good. Like, you know, I didn't want to be a part of the lawsuit anymore, all that stuff. Like, Kumbaya basically. It's, uh, it's going to be really interesting to see how, like, what a weird dichotomy over the next year, I would say, at least with regards to Phil, where Randy said it really well about

like Matt Wolfe and live stuff is, if you watch live and you're a huge whatever team he plays on, fan, then, you know, maybe nothing changes for you. But if you don't watch live, it's like how easy is it to forget that Matt Wolf exists at all? And Phil is kind of the same way, right? Where like he's over the next year, it just seems like he's gonna become so fucking irrelevant from a golf perspective and so hyper, hyper visible and relevant from a like, like court perspective.

It's just, I mean, what a, what a bizzara world that, that we're living in that Michelson, you know, is, is states witness and he's, he's, you know, I, although I guess he testified, I don't know if he testified or worked in conjunction with the feds against Billy Walters as well eventually,

but, you know, it's kind of like, yo, like snitches get stitches. So, yeah, going against his curve boss also would be a good idea either. So it's kind of a no-wid situation. Let's go to, so there was a report by Aiman Lynch. Aiman will come up in our next story as well. There's a report by Aiman Lynch. Aiman will come up in our next story as well. There's a report by Aiman Lynch of golf week this week that live is nearing a deal to purchase airtime for its tournaments on Fox Sports 1, which would require live to not only pay for the time, but also be responsible for the cost of production, any ads sold, all of that kind of stuff. What was your reaction to this? Because first of

all, Liv denied it, said it was incomplete and inaccurate. And second, as funny as this is to dance on, I think there's a little bit of complexity to it, but I'm curious what your thoughts were. My first thought was like, all right, this is going to take the place of some of like the camp le jeun, toxical honor, and the asbestos, you know, and some, you know, billy maze commercials RIP that are probably still floating around some of those by gold commercials, tactical glasses, you know, things like that. So you know, it's probably a win for sports fans that FS want to be showing more sports. If it goes through, if it goes through, you know, but also like it sounded like, yeah, it's clearly just, you know, the push or somebody like that

calling in a favor with, you know, old boy, Rupert or, yeah, or Locklin. Yeah. Yeah, it's a weird situation because it's, I think first of all, it's probably lost on a lot of people that While the LPGA, I mean, I don't pay for their time But like they certainly have to pay production costs for a lot of TV coverage that they get and for a lot of tournaments is like They have to do that. I think the corn fairy tour has to do the same thing. I think I don't know how the champion stores 50 grand a week I think yeah,, I think. Like you said. I think that's just at least worth noting that,

you know, as outrageous, outrageous as it seems, it does happen in golf. But also, I think what's weird to me is this idea that, I don't know the right way to say it. Like getting, I feel like there's this fallacy that like getting on TV is going to change everything. And I just really don't think that that's true.

I think that's so woefully oversimplified. That when this story came out, the first thing, of course, I did, was try to track down as many FS1 ratings as I could and try to find how many viewers. There's this fallacy that like oh my god I mean if it's on TV there's there's 40 million people watching it at all times and it's like dude I don't know that the numbers would be that much different than they were on YouTube right like the the

the highest rated and this was just for like a one-week period but it's like the highest rated thing I could find on FS1 and if these numbers are even are even accurate, was like 300,000 people watching a college football game. Right, and is this gonna show up on FS1? And certainly be the dominance, some like threefold audience, like I really don't think so. Well, that and it's, you know, they're not gonna be able to use the bots as effectively.

Well, there's not. They're gonna have to game Nielsen. Well, I was thinking though, if no one's paying you for the rights of your product, like that's the, like the tours never gonna like simul cast on YouTube because CBS and NBC are paying for the rights, right? But if no one's paying you for the rights,

you could just put it on YouTube as well. It's true. Just double your double up your audience. And if you're going to pay all your production costs anyways, nobody's paying them for the rights, but but the other caveat was any ads sold they're responsible for as well. So they're basically betting on themselves. Right. If any, you know, so you would have to deliver, although I guess you know, I think they're ads on the YouTube as well. I think that's like the cost of fulfilling the ads. Like I don't think you get money for the ads. I think Fs one still keeps that. Okay.

That's it. But it's yeah, I don't know, man, it's just a weird. I think this will be a really interesting week for live. They're playing in Bangkok at this Kyle Phillips design course that's owned by this like high energy tycoon billionaire. And I'm assuming it'll be on in the middle of the night here. Like what, you know, like what's the, what's the livestream you look like? Because honestly, I don't even have a problem with like the YouTube stuff. Like dude, that was kind of my easiest place to possibly find anything. No, that's kind of where I was at, too. It's like the more I, the more I thought about this TV, I mean, my initial reaction was like laughing at it. And then my second thing is like,

wait, is that low-key kind of almost like worse than being on YouTube? Because it's like, you don't have to fiddle with the subscription or find your password or yeah, how to stream it. It's just, yeah, you just go to youtube.com. And I don't know. I think, yeah, I don't know. I think there's a, I think there's a very big difference between like network TV and cable TV, right? Like I think the PJ tour pulling in, you know, I don't even know what the numbers are, but easily over a million people to watch a network broadcast is just it's, it's, I still think very, very, very, very different than what we're seeing with live on FS1. But we'll see, I also think like honestly, the YouTube stuff could be for those that are interested in it, which obviously there are some who are like, if it's on in the middle of the night, like you can sleep in and just watch the whole broadcast replay on YouTube

and skip around. And I don't know, that's kind of what I did with DVR today, right? It's like, I actually think that's kind of a good, user experience. So, yeah. Oh, it's, I think once the TV is to watch, once the TV stuff pops up that some of that might go away. So, yeah, it's just a, it's kind of an interesting, interesting combo. But also, of course, would just be very funny, just to underscore, if they, if they did end up having to literally pay somebody to, to take their product would be that that's worth laughing at. Well, then you get into all sorts of stuff too about the foreign, foreign agents thing and

all that stuff as far as like if, if a foreign government is paying for air time, yeah, you know, on the airways, like there's all sorts of red tape, type of stuff too. So yeah, I don't know. I guess their whole thing too, we're in discussions with multiple media companies or whatever, they had floated Amazon. Yeah, okay, Jeff Bezos is gonna tellivize this on Amazon Prime after MBS,

put the Pegasus thing on his phone and all that. It feels like it might be kind of a frosty relationship. Yeah. I think the hard part about a lot of this stuff too, and we've mentioned this in the past, but the biggest fallacy with live stuff for me, and this kind of crystallized when I was explaining it, like my brother gave me kind of the classic,

like, so what's up with this live stuff? And then I, you know, just rambled for like four hours. But what kind of crystallized is like, it's still golf at the end of the day. And there's this fallacy that like, oh my God, if we can just make it louder, make it easier, like 48 players, have all these superstars like blah, blah, blah.

And then we get it on TV, like, oh my God. I mean, it's just game over. Like people are going to fucking love it. And I'm like, well, it like, I think some people will like it more than the PGA tour offering. If you nail all of those things, but it's still golf. And like you still are limited by like what the, what the potential audience is to sit down and watch golf on TV, because it's, it's still going to be slow.

You still got to understand the rules. It's still, you know, going to be, it's just kind of like a limiting, it's a limiting thing, right? And so they're just trying to turn it into like the F1 paddock, almost, right? Or like that's almost better than the actual race itself, right? Qualifying and, you know, the whole scene on the range and all the team sitting with each other. Like I think I'm still like, I think the team thing works. I think there's, there's different wrinkles to this that I think absolutely work. And, and you know, we

were kind of pitching is, hey, these are good ideas when they're a PGL. You know, it's like, all right. But also, I think they're like, hamphysis as hell and the execution and the operations and all this. Like I've said it a hundred times. Like Greg Norman, like the best move that like, live should, should do is get rid of third leg Greg. Like, you know, the PGA tour, like, they've gotten lucky that Greg Norman's the one running all this stuff right now.

Right. Yeah. I agree. Well, moving through to the lawsuit section, which we're going to try to keep brief here, because I don't know what I'm talking about with this stuff if we're just being very honest. These are both from the athletic branding queen, a couple of late nights for branding queen this week from the athletic. The PJ Taurus counter sued live.

They filed this late Wednesday, accusing live of torsiously, is that how you're not torsious. Torchess, torsious interference. Torchess interference with tors contracts with golfers who defected to the upstart rival. This was the first lawsuit I think that's been filed that I'm just kind of like, whatever, man, I don't, let me know, I guess, what shakes out. You know, I feel like I can wrap my head around the players suing the PJ tour and why they did that.

I can wrap my head around live getting involved in that. I can wrap my head certainly around the Patrick Reed lawsuit. This is the one where I'm kind of like, dude, I, I guess just kind of let me know where we end up. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. I mean, it seems like the players are, don't have a great case and their, their legal standing isn't great against the thing. I mean, it seems like the players are don't have a great case and their legal standing isn't great against the tour. So worth mentioning, I guess there's only like three players left in that lawsuit, right? It's a Bryce and Matt Jones and I don't

forget who the last one is. Yeah. And then, and then there's the, you know, live will probably keep going with that lawsuit out as soon assume right because they've joined as a point of right. Yeah, if they have like actual standing because the PGA tours, you know, inhibited them. But but then yeah, I then counter suing here. We'll see what's going on with that. And then we've got the other lawsuit. Of course, your guy P and his very serious lawyer, Larry Claimon, And his very serious lawyer, Larry Klaiman, have refiled P's $750 million defamation lawsuit against Brandel Schambley and golf channel.

They've refiled that into your hometown. The US District Court for the middle district of Florida in Jacksonville and just for fun, they have added new defendants, Damon Hacks, Shane Bacon and Aiman Lynch to the suit. I don't know if the 750 million has changed. I don't know if they added an extra zero or not when they added those those defendants, but I think it stayed the same. Good morning, Damon. Uh-huh. God, what a world, huh? I mean, and I guess the judge who they can just landed in is like the most no nonsense guy in this circuit. He's like, takes no prisoners, no bullshit. Like, so it'll be really interesting to see how this works. Lord, Lord willing, it is, I don't know what I'm rooting for

more for the sake of the defendants to just have this thing, like heavily eye rolled and thrown out immediately or for it to get a little further just to see how the claimant handles it. But are these open to the public? It's a great question. I'm gonna task you with finding that out. I'm gonna task you with finding that out. Yeah, and if not,

I think you gotta be outside the cornhouse. Yeah, you should try to get claimant on the trap draw. Yeah, if he's in town. Didn't claim and lose his, his, his like law license in DC. I think a couple of other places. I think that's, that sounds right. But I would have to look that up. I don't know.

Were you disappointed not to be named? I don't think disappointed. Maybe, maybe, maybe surprised, but also I'm really, really good at saying allegedly. That's true. And this is all alleged. This is all alleged. This is all all of this is alleged. So, you know, I have a good, good understanding of, you know, libel and slander.

And all of those things. You know, you don't, you don't make it as long as you made it in my shoes, doing the kind of dirty work that I do without knowing your peas and cutes, you know. That's right. And I have to check the record, but I assume that we've always been very pro Patrick Reed. So unlike, unlike, you know, a total mud slinger like Damon Hack, so a total malcontent.

I'm just talking shit about everybody. Finally, finally, get this cup of it. That's a joke. But let's get into your, uh, quote, random nonsense category here. This is, uh, why don't you kick us off, actually? Yeah. So you, you had texted me some Bryson long drive stuff. I guess he competed this week. He did. He did. He, uh, lost to Martin Borgmeyer, who had a winning drive of 426 yards. Bryson had a drive of 466 yards. I believe he finished second. And kind of just on the docket here, I'm not going to try to draw too many broad sweeping conclusions here. But do you remember like what an absolutely inescapable deal this was last year.

Of just people firing up content. And oh my God, did you watch, fire up the live stream? This is gonna be crazy. Bryson's doing this. I literally didn't hear about this until it was over. And granted, I'm not a subscriber to Bryson's YouTube channel. I'm sure there was much content about it. But you know, just all of this is to say like the novelty

wears off very quick and I think some of that is kind of how I feel about about live as well is once you get out of the like, oh my god, that's crazy face. There's just not a lot of there there. And it's pretty tough to get me to to tune into the long drive. That statement had whiffs of like the, the Tim Teebo, like nobody's gonna work as hard as me ever. Yeah, then Bryson. Bryson put out like, I hesitate to use the word statement. Cause it's like, what was it addressing?

It wasn't addressing anything other than just like, essentially people, you know, a lot of you've been pretty acting pretty messed up towards me. But fuck the haters, I'm going to keep doing long drive, which I think was very like, oh, like, that's cool, man. Like, whatever. Yeah, whatever. That sounds good. I would encourage people to, to read the, the statement on their own time. The co-crack tweet, I think I threw that in our slack. This was a while ago. It was bizarre. Yeah. Again, I know I'm the co-crack tweet. I think I threw that in our slack. This was a while ago. It was bizarre. Yeah, again, I know I'm catching up on stuff here.

We got buried during the Presence Cup stuff, but just an unbelievably weird tweet. I got to pull it up. Do you want me to read it? Please do. This was from noted live player Jason Kochracks, Twitter account, apropos of nothing. Just totally out of left field.

It was a very nice headshot of him, probably a PJ tour headshot ironically, I would, I would guess. And it just says grateful to play the game. I love professionally winner of 11 worldwide events, 40 top 10 finishes, top 20 golfer in the world hashtag thankful. I don't know what tour and like it seems like all of those stats are based on a tour he doesn't play on anymore. I just really was trying to wrap my head around. You know, I think we've had a lot of fun with Co-CRAC maybe playing 3D chess of the social media world and I just,

this is kind of another banger from him and his camp. Yeah, I, I'm just scrolling through his Twitter right now. I didn't realize he follows me at J. Co-CRAC. Oh, not good. Which maybe he could reach out. He said he tweeted one golf as you've never seen it. Hashtag live golf. And then he said, fans are my number one priority with the 100 emoji. Thank you to all of the fans and everyone that supports both myself and the sport of golf.

Hashtag grateful. That was also in September 19th. And that's great. You know, that's, that's, you don't need, you know, you don't need a reason to thank the fans. I think you do need a reason to just list your credentials. Like I don't just tweet out randomly like, you know, where I went to college and what my like GPA was. That would be very fucking weird.

He's just trying to prove that he, you know, he met the criteria, right? I guess. So I just wanted to enter that into the record. I don't think we addressed it and it was very weird. TC Ludwig, your boy, the pride of Sweden has, has, you know, reached a milestone this week. Yes.

I appreciate you, you know, allowing me to include this, I was going to put it as the number one item on the agenda. Ludwig has, he is up to number one in the world amateur golf ranking. Replacing who Kaden Nakajima, golf ranking replacing who catered Nakajima. Is that right? I think Nakajima. Yes. And then the other that pui guy what he's going to, you know, live and he's he's not going

to be a amateur anymore. So yeah, I can I still contend that like Ludwig should be on the he should be on the Rader Cup team next year. And and this is, you know, of course, circling back to some of our, our takes from the RV, at Whistling Straits last year, we just, we, we vowed to monitor the Ludwig situation and, and here we are. Here we are doing it. A couple tournament announcements on the, on the corn ferry tour. I know this is your, this is your block. You love, you love keeping this, keeping this on the back burner. Yeah. They, so, so they have, they have not announced their schedule for next year,

but they've announced a bunch of the tournaments. They announced one in central Jersey at Mateta conk or Mateta conk. The magnet championship looks like a good, good, good, brony course, which I believe is the house big play rate built. That's, that's, yeah. Yeah, just for kind of for members only, but big, big news there. And then there's a new event in Chile, the Astara Chile classic. I don't know if that's a national open or not. I'm just trying to kind of discern that.

But going back, going back to South America, down to Chile for the first time, five or six years. We might need the ascended to start getting involved out in South America where some of those currencies are going buck wild. There might be be, you know, disruption might be, might be primed down there in, in the chaos. But, and then the LPGA announced in, I believe it event at Niels home course, literally national. Michelle, we as hosting it, it's the Mizzouho America's open. Michelle, we will. Yeah. I've're watching a lot of winning time right now.

And that is big. You left $2 million plus purse, which I guess is the minimum now. Like if you want to be a new tournament on the LPGA tour, you have to meet that threshold. And there's going to be 24 junior girls competing alongside 120 pros. So cool. That's sweet. Yeah. Good stuff there. Yeah. Dej, I had one for you here.

Yeah, please. So Maya Stark, one of my, one of my suites out on the LPGA, she got de-cued this week on the LPGA tour. I was, I said, why? You, you, you can't, you can't be true. You're one of my, one of my suites. And I, I'm told that she was playing the new ping driver that's coming out that has not been certified by,

I guess that's coming this week. It's like it's not, it's not conforming club yet. She played it anyway. Whoa. Yeah. What are you gonna do? Shoot me. That's what you need stab me.

That's tough. That's tough. That's the, you never, you know, you never like the equipment companies becoming becoming part of this story. Yeah. Neil wanted us to give a shout out to the Columbia player. The Columbia lion who shot a 60 this week. Does he or she have a name? Yes. Yes. I should have put it in there. Go lie. Neil said, hashtag go lions, tie the instantly record minus 11. It was Nathan Han. I got I got to pull it up right here. Yeah, up and up and Lake Placid. So I believe it was at their own tournament. You know, also kind of surprised that Neil didn't get distracted by, by Lake Placid.

Start talking about that movie that seems like it would be very much in his wheelhouse. Golf and volleyball. You see this? Golf and volleyball only two sports that participation grew. Really? Really? Like youth, basically high school participation. That's shocking.

Yeah. Yeah. And golf was like the, golf was like the, the lone bright spot on there. Really? A lot. Yeah. Do you think that's because other sports just have

like such ubiquity? So that's a lot of us. And they're, well, yeah, that's probably true too. I guess people are just playing one instead of four. Yeah. Um, yeah. I don't know. Yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, I like it. Yeah. Um, yeah. That's another topic. But that's that's all like, yeah, like instead of like, yeah, I'm not playing on my high school

team, but I plan three A U teams. Oh, yeah, oh, it sucks. What a great way to become just a very one dimensional person. We take that offline. Big, big week down here. I was watching Jim can't worry. Yeah, how did you survive the hurricane? We survived.

I mean, first and foremost, thoughts and tease and peas up for the people in South-Hose Florida. My wife's got a bunch of friends that lost their houses. And I mean, like the house that she grew up in down there was two story house. And I think the water was up 14 feet like above the second window. But yeah, it was kind of glancing below here, came across the state and you know, went back out to see before it hit us and then we were kind of spared the worst of it. But

it was honestly, it was a lot like the weather that we had at the NIT last year. God, that was the worst. That's the worst golf. That's the worst weather I've ever ever ever. But yeah, Jim Cantori, you know, he had the goggles on at one point. Well, you're got Dr. Rick Nav. Yeah, Dr. Rick Nav. I don't think you cannot convince me that him and Sean Martin are not related. And then my guy, Lou Turner, they had him down here in St. Augustine. And then my guy, Lou Turner, they had him down here in St. Augustine. Big spot. You know, yeah, St. Augustine kind of took the brunt of it. St. Augustine floods when there's like a full moon. Yeah.

So, but Tim Deegan, the chief meteorologist at First Coast News, which is Lou's station, he, I think he, he might need to get it together. What do you say that? They cut in last night to the Clemson game. People were up in arms last night. They cut in, like the storms already made landfall up in South Carolina again. Like we don't need an update on it. In the middle of the Clemson game, people were fired up.

That's not good. That's not good. Big runner, I always see him run and run it in front of the house on first street. Yeah. Great, great lettuce. Great hair. Great hair. You should see it when he's running with the headband on it. It's a great look. I mean, there were a lot of chainsaws around the neighborhood this week too, which made

me think of just apropos of nothing when third leg Greg almost chopped his arm off with a chainsaw. Do you remember that? I do. I do. Truly, truly almost a career render for Greg. That was wild. Remember of gosh, that was so uncomfortable

when Instagram kind of like first became like pretty prevalent. He was really pushing the envelope there for a while as far as I'm in the North as me. Like break his foot on like with Bill Clinton. I don't know. That sounds right. I think he's kind of done it all, man. He's basically just, he's running like that,

Richard Branson playbook. Oh, all right. Clinton had a late night like right knee injury on Norman's yacht or at his home. So yeah, I don't know who knows. I feel like there might be more to the story. Exactly. But we'll, we'll dig in and we, let's make, you know,

you were going to look at the courthouse stuff. I'll make that an action item for me. I'll look into that. People were commenting on the size of Charlie Woods hands, TC, I can't, I can't abide this. I can't go, I cannot go down this road. I won't comment on his golf. I surely won't comment on the size of his hands.

Yeah, people need to get it together. Have some self respect and some standards. Truly adult people are out there commenting on this stuff. And it's, you know, saying, hey, do you believe how big his hands are? Do you know how big he's gotten? It's like, yeah, that's what happens.

Like kids fucking grow up. They're big hands. They're big hands. They're big hands. But the interview never should have existed in the first place. It's it's very unsettling stuff. All right, T.C., I think that that kind of, it kind of brings us, brings us about to the end.

You got anything else in the chamber? No, we got triners week this week. We got Furekin friends here in Jackson. I think Sali's going out to that. Out of Tim Aquana. Recently designed to me. Want to read. Yeah. Dej are the badgers going to fire their head coach up there?

You know what? You got to tell me, man. I'm a I'm a I have no idea. They lost the align. I believe. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. Not good. That's not good. You know, that hasn't been a I haven't watched like a college football game in probably 12 years, but certainly 12 years ago, losing the align. I was not a good thing. So I assume it's still not good. Yeah.

It's a, you're, you're doing it right by not watching college football. It's, I think I'm good. It's, it's a, honestly, it's, it's a, well, we don't have to go there. But it's a close cousin to the Charlie Woods videos at some point. Honestly, the, the seriousness with, with which some people take these games, watching these 18-year-old kids just kind of weird to me out. I think I'm good. Last thing I have, Devin, you tried the dangerous sandwich yet. The dangerous sandwich.

Yeah, I saw your guy Russell Wilson do the weird monologue for Subway. I thought maybe that would get you rushing out. Mr. Luminous? Yeah, looking for the dangerous sandwich. was she's not a sealist? No. Oh, dear, he's doing it. This is all, you know, in internet time, this is 70 years ago. This was like five days ago.

But he, yeah, it's just a very weird monologue. He's talking to nobody, like talking directly to camera. And like, so nobody's there. So they're not responding. But he's like talking as if they are responding. It's very Westworldly super unsettling. But maybe like a little too self-aware. I think he's kind of in on the joke. It's just it's not good. It's I might send a tea tomorrow. It's going to ruin your night if I send a tea tonight. No, I'm about to fire up. You've been waiting all day. Coach Dungee

You know, you've been you've been waiting all day coach Don G and Jack with a K and Chris Sims and Florio and Rodney, Maria, all the all the hitters on Sunday night football. It's amazing that they can put the others such a cohesive broadcast with like and then pick up like the worst people, you know, the clappers on there now for the studio show. It's wild. Well, I will spend as much money on that. People of Aqua and the Comcast folks, it's like, hey, like maybe you didn't, maybe if you were paying Drew Brees like $8 million

this year to like not work for you, maybe you'd have more leftover for like shot tracer and more cameras. Oh, it's a bit like the wire, you know, just everything affects everything, man. You know, this cuts at the police station or effect in the schools. It's all kinds of shit. All right, T.C. This has been an absolute delight.

Great to do a little, a little, a little two man weave. I called it a fast break. I think we ended up going pretty slow, but it's, it's always a pleasure. I'm a lot of down there. We covered a lot of down there. We covered a lot of ground. Sully, it's all going to be back next week. I'm sure he's got a great interview.

The lock did loaded. For Tuesday, I actually have no idea what it even is. That's exciting. And I would, if you've made it this far and for whatever reason, you did not listen to this Tuesday's episode, I want to just give a shout out to that because it was fucking awesome. With Pia and Lynn from Vision 54 and Neil laying his sole bear on all of his mental golf demons, solid weighing in with a ton of

great questions. It was a one of my favorite episodes we've done in a really long time. I really, it made me want to go play golf. It was really, really good. A ton of feedback from people like reaching out like, like, I didn't know what I was getting into with this and by like 35 minutes in. I'm like holy shit that helped me out tremendously and I went out and played immediately and played well. It was fascinating stuff. So I'm sure there'll be another great one this week and T.C. will probably talk to you. I don't know when I'm on the podcast next, but we'll talk to you. We'll talk to you soon. Be strong up there in Badger Nation, D.G.

Thanks man. Yeah, and also with you down in Larry Claiming, trying to rip that town apart down there. Godspeed. Be the right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most.

That is better than most. Better than most.