No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 612: Zozo Recap

Episode Date: October 17, 2022

Soly, Tron and Cody bring you the weekly recap pod from Seoul as the guys will be on location at the LPGA's BWW Championship. We recap the Zozo where Keegan Bradley wins his fifth career PGA tour event - his first victory in over four and a half years. We also take stock of Rickie Fowler's runner up finish, the future of the event and an Asia-Pacific swing in the new PGA Tour schedule. We also debrief on the LIV event in Jeddah, the Aramco series and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It's Monday morning in Seoul, South Korea. Good morning TC. Good morning, we're looking out on Gangnam here. Pleased to be with my fellow Dic riders. This is a dark, dark day for us. Joining us as well, we are here actually for the BMW Ladies Championship, which starts today, actually, the tournament week starts today.

Mr. Cody McBride, hello Cody. Morning, morning, gentlemen. How are we doing? It's a beautiful day, insole, as you guys said, and man, kind of a tough weekend for golf overall. We have a lot to cover. I think we're going to do our best not to rehash old points. Yet at the same time, I think there's gonna be a lot of discussion points, I guess, that are reiterating things, clarifying things, still so many questions rolling in.

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coming. Solid, hundreds of people have reached out to me, thanking me for the you with recommendation. It's an amazing golf club. It's an amazing golf club. I need to switch from the 19 to the 21 to agree again, because 19 goes too far, the club's too hot. Zozo championship, as we are starting to do this fall. We're gonna do a quick play by play

in case you were not up in the middle of night to watch what happened. Ricky Fowler, Andrew Putnam, and Kegan Bradley, final pairing, three-man duel, three-way match-play situation. Many people were saying, we got to a TV here, after touring the DMZ, we got the TV here around the 15th hole.

I had to kind of meander my way in through an illegal stream here in Korea, was not on TV here, which is a concern here. The KLPGA was on. KLPGA was on over the PGA tour. That is correct. That's the lead event over here. I flipped it on just in time for Ricky Fowler to miss a short par putt on the 15th hole

while Keegan drained a lengthy one to save par. Keegan had bogged the 14th hole actually to make it a one shot lead. And Ricky had his opportunity right there. First shot I see was him miss that putt and it was just like, it was the same exact feeling. It felt like vintage Ricky. It felt like the Ricky experience all over again. Pretty truly back. It was very, very much back. They go the 16th Hull again. Kegan's nursing a one shot lead. He hits it in the right bunker to this front right pin and hits a toe shank out of the bunker. Ricky steps up and absolutely stuffs one. It looks like it's going to be a two shot swing. Ricky again, yaks the short putt.

Keegan makes Bogey. They go to the 17th hole. Andrew Putt, no McConaughey makes a mess of that one. And then Ricky and Keegan hit great drives, but Keegan hits a better approach. Ricky misses his birdie putt. Keegan drains his two shot lead, heading into the last. Ricky needs eagle.

He ends up making birdie. Keegan kind of waltzes his way to a par to win by one shot. A lot of emotion ensues for Keegan Bradley as he wins his fifth PGA tour title, Your Boy Keegan Bradley. Yeah, man, I'm stoked. Where's your Keegan head come from? I don't know. That's the thing.

I don't know. He just, the Ryder Cup suitcase thing, gosh, like they're just the whole pre-shot routine. His whole- It's gotten better. All of his mannerisms, all that stuff, it's just a struggle, man. And I almost at this point, I feel bad because it seems like we were talking about it before the pot. Everybody's like, he works so freaking hard.

Again, I think everybody out there works so freaking hard. But it's just one of those things where he seems to knock off one of these big wins like every three or four years now, limited field event. Last one was the BNW on that Monday or almost Tuesday finish. I don't run a Mac in 2018. Yeah. But he's like a cicada.

He's good for coming out every three or four years. Just what a record. The records are every 17 years, but just these golf games. He's just on a different cycle. Okay. I think I agree with everything you're saying. I think the pre-shout routine's gotten a lot better. He was in like, had some truly, truly, truly dark times.

The tide more into putting woes and everything else and it seemed like he could just never be comfortable over the ball. Watching it yesterday, the little bit that we did, it was a lot, lot better in man. There's one thing about King and Bradley is that the dude is a ball striker, man. Like he does not miss shots. It's incredible to watch

because watching him get ready to hit that shot truly makes you uncomfortable. Ball striker for 10 years. It really is wild, I tweeted this out, but if you pull up his data golf page, like he has been very positive off the tee, very positive approach play for a decade. Like that doesn't, that's not common.

It's not common for somebody to not battle injuries or battles slump here and there. And it truly is, if starting in 2016, he was a positive putter every year of his career, starting in 2016 when the anchor band came on, minus, minus, minus, minus, minus, minus, the next six years after that. He was pretty neutral last year in 2022 and the very small sample size here starting for 2023, but it probably just underappreciated player strictly based on the fact that he couldn't

anchor the putter anymore. Maybe that's exactly what the rule was supposed to address, like the people that are not able to handle their nerves and what not, but it's just jarring to look at that to see, like he's positive in every category, except for as soon as the anchor band hit. It's just crazy, look at it, his career record too. If you throw out the Byron Nelson, which obviously stinks,

you've got the PGA, the WGC, it Firestone, the BMW, the Zozo, and then he lost in a playoff to Bill Haas and Mikkelsen at the Northern Trust. Like those are big boy golf courses, golf tournaments, all that. Now the Zozo, I'm probably not putting in that. It's a weird tournament. It's a weird tournament. We can talk about that as well. But yeah, it's really, it feels like this,

it's been like documented as a career resurgence, but I guess I was just astonished to pull up that page and see how good of a ball striker he's been for a very long period of time. I'm like the DFS guys, we're all over him. Like he's a very solid player on a week to week basis. And I guess I'm kind of post-hating keegan. I've never, he's never really been my cup of tea. Some reasons, not even hate.

It's a golf hate, right? It's not like a personal hate. It's just, some reasons well documented, some are just like really hard to define and even come to terms with on a personal. It's like that NFL team that you just, you just don't care for how the roster is constructed and it just doesn't, it just doesn't agree with you or what not. I think some of it too is he's always got that chip on his shoulder, that rural New England, I think he grew up pretty freaking poor. Nobody, like, went to St. John's, nobody believed in him. That combined with being kind of a mass hole, doesn't really ingratiate you to other people,

but if you dig a layer of deeper, you got to respect the hell out of it because he's truly a self-made player, truly, you know, he's a gamer, he's like, dug it out of the dirt, earned his career, nothing was given to him, and you know, won a major out of nowhere. Yeah, absolutely. I think the, like he's said this multiple times, too, the hardest thing is winning a major like his first year on tour was not prepared for that success at all and everything that came with it. And it obviously severe, not just like growing pains since then, but like trying to live up to that highest standard when you put yourself up there like that.

I mean, it's said, there's no way that I could be able to do that. Or very many like professionals that play at the highest level. It's incredible to see him grind and grind and grind and continue to like, I mean, what, that was 10, 11, 12 years ago now. Most people would be like long gone and he's continued to be there. Or Liz. Or, or, or, or go to Liz. And then you add like the thing that like, he's never been a really good potter.

And then the one thing that like carried him through Junior's college and then early on in his professional career, you take that away. And then he has to completely start again. It's incredible, man. I just don't like his swing either. It's not a, it's not, it's not. It's not. It's pretty about it. It's a good swing, but I just don't like his swing either. It's not a, it's not a, it's not a, it's not, it's not.

It's pretty about it. It's a good swing, but it just doesn't, it's not aesthetically pleasing. It's not, yeah, it's not pretty. But at the bottom, you can't, I know all the swing instructors and everything. At the bottom of that golf swing, is a position that everybody wants to be in.

Yeah. It's just so painful watching a guy get there. It's so hard. He still had some, the bunker shot, he was getting ready to hit on 16. They ended up toe-shanking. He had the whole Kegan jitters going. The whole, you know, get up over it, pull back, pull back,

did the whole thing all over again. It was very well documented on 18% of my screen and playing through. What happened on the toe-shank? Like did it, did it? I don't know if it hit a rock or what. It was on the down slope and he had the blade wide open. It just looked like he? I don't know if it hit a rock or what. It was on the downslope and he had the blade wide open

and it just looked like he just totally touched. It stayed on the green. It went like 50 feet past and it was pretty easy to putt, but it was, that was when it started to feel very real, because again, Ricky's in there eight feet or so for birdie and straight up the hill, easy putt and just did not go. So, we talked Ricky. Please. Like I said, it and just did not go. So, we talked Ricky. Please.

Like I said, it kind of did feel a little vintage, Ricky unfortunately, but it's hard to look at this and say this is anything but a huge success to start the year and not a fluky way of doing it. We don't have stroke-scan data for the Zozo, but it seemed like his ball strike is what carried him through the week. I'd be more concerned if it was just a fluky putting week

or anything like that, but great start to the year. He's be more concerned if it was just a flukeie putting week or anything like that, but great start through the year. He's got a T6 and now a T2 as well. Almost back inside the top 100. The Butch Harman thing. So when did he end up back with Butch Harman? I think like maybe a month ago. Somebody sent a question and I meant to say this one, but it's wild how Butch Harman

is this swing whisperer, but both he had Claude Harman, it seemed like they're clients, weave in and out of working with them so frequently. It's like, oh, it clods out with Brooks. Now he's back in, and I can't keep track of the Harman family, and who's in with who, but I don't know why he would have ever left, I guess,

or what he's specifically working on, but he's back onto something. Because he went with Tillerie for a while. Yeah, three years with John Tillerie. And he continues to credit him to put in a lot of the base work of what this new, Ricky Swing is like. I think that thing with Butch, and I know everybody harps on this, is that everybody is, it's not all golf swing with Butch, there's something, there's more mental aspect to it,

he makes you hungry, he builds you up and gets you back out there. And I think the biggest change that you've seen versus with clients who were butchers that would kind of, would butch started traveling so much and Claude would take them on the road and kind of do every event, you know, they're not doing that anymore. If you're a butch guy, you're with butch. And that means that you're probably not going to have butch at weekly events or really majors, but Claude and him moving over to just being strictly live almost. You know, I think you've seen their, you know, butchers clients shine because of it, because they're just getting one-on-one work from them.

So I don't know if there's more there or not, but Ricky looked really good. And his swing looked really good. And they're still working on a lot. Tell some of his iron shots just under pressure, leaky right, a little quick turn and left. But man, it's promising to see where he's at. So Ricky, going, like, where is he trying to get back to from a swing perspective?

Is he trying to get back to like a swing perspective? He's trying to get back to like 2017 Ricky, like pre getting more, because like that swing was kind of flawed to begin with, but it worked exceptionally well and it was consistent, but also like the highs were high. And then he kind of tried to make his swing fundamentally better, and it hurt his golf game. So he's trying to get back to that OG swing, or is he trying to get back to more of the 17-18

versus the 14-15? That's out of my depth as a swing analyst. I don't know, but if you're looking at numbers, like he is, yeah, 2017 was when he was basically the best player he's ever been. But Ricky hit the shit out of it again, kind of somewhere to Kegan for like a decade, a really solid decade. And he used to put the lights out.

I know Randy used to be the best cutter alive. I know that's a bit of a bit at this point. But there was an interesting question. Andy Johnson posed this and somebody asked us to address this as well. Whose career would you rather have? Ricky or Kegan? I think they got instinct just to say Ricky.

Are we talking about money too? I, I, or we just talking about career I think that is a factor in the decision. It's a subject. Not off course money. I think not off course money That, that's out. But on course, I assume Ricky has earned Ricky's earned more money on course yet They both have five wins on the PGA tour. Keegan has the major, he's got the playoff win, he's got the WGC. I think the answer's Keegan. The major definitely trumps out whatever Ricky's got going.

Well you're disrespecting the players there for Ricky, so I kind of take. As a registered D-writer that does hurt, but I'm hoping that gives me some good will with the PGA. Ricky does have the Scottish open. And he wanted to buy too, I think. Abu Dhabi.

I would have. Anyone that coal on Korea open, which is a national open as well, anyone that hear a world challenge before it was a lot about the hero world challenge. That's French wins. I mean he also has eight top fives and majors. But he doesn't have a major win, he's got three solo second, or three second place finishes. So, two T2s and one solo.

He's got a shit load of top five PGA tour finishes too, like way more than Kegan does, and I still think the major wins out. Like you're not trading any, you could have a hundred top fives and you would trade that for a major. There's a lot of money that comes with top fives, but at a certain point it stops becoming about money Keegan's 36

Ricky's 33 Do we think god that's crazy Ricky's only 33 do we think Ricky? Like in the next three years Does Ricky like let's say pause Keegan's career right now and fast forward Ricky's career three years. Let's fast forward three years. Would you, would you still take Keegan? Basically the question is would Ricky, is Ricky gonna win a major next three years?

Or is he gonna reel off, you know, two or three wins over the next three years? I still think three, four, five wins would not, would not trump the major. I think the majors are that important. I think we also just forget about Keegan as a major champion. It was kind of like a maybe a 66%, 70% major, PGA championship at Atlanta Club.

It's hard, hard-sourced from your hometown. I was there. I don't really remember. I would rather take Ricky, to be honest. And I know that's like majors or everything, but he's just been there. He's been, put himself in the contention so many times. He still has the hunger.

He's still driven to not only be on every single team event, but man, he wants to be a major champion. And he's like, the dude has everything you want in the world. It's kind of one of those things where you're talking about the guys like they go to live and you get all this you know a basket full of cash and you're like well what drive do you have anymore? You can say the same thing about Ricky Fowler but man the dude seems pretty fucking driven to get out there and not only win PGA tour events but be on team competitions and hopefully

get a major championship. He's just so good. And it's one of those guys that's like, he still has not reached his potential, which is insane to say because he's had a hell of a career so far, outside of the One Void, which is a major. Yeah, and I, you know, underachieve is the word that goes with Ricky for a long time, overrated is a word that goes for a long time.

It is hard to, it's just hard, it's a hard career to define because he played so much good golf yet only has the five PGA Tour wins to show for it. And the other wins he has are like hard to factor into the equation, the sky opens a big win, winning an Abu Dhabi is a big win. Like that pretty much is equal to seven, like big time wins

in professional golf. And see basically like Fino in Cairo. It's kind of a Fino situation here where it's just I will always be a defender of the dudes that play really, really good golf that don't get the wins that it just kind of gets forgotten about. Ricky was primed to have been a live candidate as well. I mean, he was pretty open about the decision-making process. And I think

there's just something to living on the same street as JT and all those dudes and Jupiter that you know, you're really, really, really picking sides about who your friends are going to be going forward. And he chose this path to grind it out. And that's at least like what I care about. I don't want wanna pretend that I am a bigger PGA tour fan than I am, but at least the competitive side of golf rules out here, reigns out. And not to go into the Brooks stuff yet, but Brooks like talking about getting emotional,

like talking about what this win meant to him. I'm like no dude, you left the competitive golf structure to play an invitational series. I'm not buying this emotional part of it. Like, what Ricki had to go through to get back to this spot is what interests me about the game of golf. Not everyone's gonna feel that way,

but that is where I stand on that. I mean, because shit, even from a status perspective, from a PGA tour, like having a spot in the field perspective, like... His sponsor exemption this week. Like Ricky needs, like needed these two finishes, you know, at a Napa, and at this one, to get back in the mix kind of, right? I mean, he's very much like, on the outside looking in

and having to use career money exemptions and all sorts of stuff, and it's like, all right dude, like you're only 33. Like, so it's... Well, it shows that drive still there man and that's what gets me fired up about it Ricky's always been that dude when even when he was playing bad he would show up and go to qualifiers he would go play events that Ricky should probably shouldn't and doesn't really have to go

playing I mean think a US open he has been he has gone to every single final US open qualifier when he hasn't been in the event, when other people of his level have just completely blown off and like, well, if I don't get in on these next two weeks of good play, you know, I'm out. And he does, and he continues to go grind and grind and grind. I think it's an interesting career arc though, because he came up not really having to grind.

He was just so frickin' talented and good and won everything as a junior. He won back to back sunny Hannah Ames and won the players Amme and won big 12s at Oklahoma State. And all that, and then came out and had a bunch of success on tour and all that. So he's never really had his back up against the wall until the last few years.

And he's, it's like he's figuring really had his back up against the wall until the last few years. And he's, you know, it's like he's figuring out how to grind and how to be, how to squeeze the most out of his talent when his backs up against the wall and shit's not going right. Which I think is an impressive thing to learn on the fly and to, you know, it shows some grit and some grind.

Yeah, plus just like King and he he's just full up on perspective too. So it helps a lot. That's a question. Life's changed a lot. Life's changed a lot. Like, you know, it is always interesting to watch guys go through the marriage and kid cycle of how it changes your routines, how it changes your perspective on things. And man, it's just hard to show up when you're in periods of transition of working on your golf game, like finding out, am I working on something this week while I'm playing, or am I trying to trust what I've brought to the table? And how many reps, Rory talked about this in the pod last year, I think, like, how many

reps it takes to unlearn habits that you have in there, how much work that takes, and then go, it's a different feel when you go into competition. We've watched all that play out over the course of the last three years for Ricky and I do hope this is You know giving him the runway to make it to have a big season because that's it's an interesting story to follow He's Ricky like I know he's a popular player, but he's so unlike His marketing profile. He's not flashy at all like he's just a Extremely down to earth very straightforward person. He's the easiest, most normal dude to talk to doesn't get overly excited really about anything.

And I think it took me a little while to realize that he's not this big personality. He's marketed as that, and he is the most level, steady, like nice, normal dude that I think I've met on tour. And he's easy to root for in that regard. There's just not, there's no bad intentions within him. There's nothing really that you could sit here and honestly say you could dislike about him. I understand the business side of it all, but it almost seems like all the successes

that he's had on the business side has also been like a major disservice to him as an individual. And getting outside of like the younger fans who are really into buying their complete orange outfits and rocking flatbills forever for most, and I'd probably say the majority of PGA tour fans, that kind of turned them off. Yeah. Well, and it speaks to Rory's basic approach has been, I'm not doing corporate days anymore. I'm doing three or four a year. When I'm done, when I'm not playing golf, I'm home, I'm resting, I'm not, I don't care how much money you pay me, I'm not doing it.

And Ricky's approach has been give me all the corporate days. Like when I'm not playing, I will be at your event, I will be your sponsor and I wonder how long that can continue really or if he's burned himself out or I'm just so having that we're here right now, having this conversation about Ricky Fowler being, you know, realistically, should've won. He only had two birdies yesterday, did not play well, had a very, very, very slow start.

But man, we had some dark, dark times of him doing activations during the masters, when he wasn't even in the field. Oh no. And the running joke of all that, you know, it was just really, really bad. That was dark. Yeah, so I'm so thankful that he's wearing that and hopefully just continues to grind it out. I didn't see anyone make the joke yesterday that he was also there on the 72nd greed to congratulate

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to the 80 million accounting using the app. And you use code NLU. You get a free $15 plus $10 goes to youth on course. Thank you to Cash app for supporting youth on course all year long. Plutons playing some good golf, man. He's obviously T2 here, T12 at Shriners, T5 at Memphis. He's obviously T2 here, T12 at Shriners, T5 at Memphis. He's like, I don't know, he's like raised his bar.

I don't think anybody's getting excited about the Putnam brothers. No offense, the Pacific Northwest. But yeah, just solid golf, kind of a nondescript back nine yesterday. But yeah, just 68, 68 in the weekend. The guy that really stuck out to me as far as like playing his ass off was Grilo. Emiliano Grilo is sniffing around up there. He's been playing some good golf for most of the falls. Solo fourth, he had a T5 at Sanderson. Sound like he was he should have won Sanderson based on what I listened to you guys on the podcast but he's playing some serious

golf and side to gola another t5 threatened 59 on Saturday he tied with Hayden Buckley and Victor Hoveland I realize I'm doing the tc go down the leaderboard here but Hoveland Fall is different Hoveland disappointing he was in pretty good position after the first six holes and then four bogies and like a five or six hole stretch and then finished strong to kind of jump back in and a little bit fluffy T5. We need a little more out of hoblin. A lot more out of hoblin. Yeah, he's supposed to be that dude and I, I, it doesn't have a whole lot to hang the

hat on at this point. He really big disappointment on Sunday at the old course and hasn't really done a whole lot in majors and doesn't have the big wins to back up the really, really freaking good golf he's played. Do you think Grilo is trying to get like, he's trying to break up the fireballs? So all the Latin guys are on the fireballs right now. But you would think that they would have like the Spaniards, Sergio, Chicara, and bring a tag way back and all that.

And then you bring in... But Neiman's on torque, isn't he? He is. Exactly. So basically you get Neiman, Mito, or T's answer or Grilo on torque. I'm not up on all the rumors of how the teams are going to change in on live. I know you that's that's kind of your block. But I we can talk about that later on. I'm just I'm just thinking out loud here. I'm just asking the questions. Another top 10 for Matthew Neesmith this week I'm just thinking out loud here. I was asking the questions.

Another top 10 for Matthew Nysmith this week, after a finishing second last week at the Shriners, Keatonakajima T12 finish. Nysmith T9 and loses a spot in the FedEx Cup. That's tough. How does that happen? The FedEx Cup is, cause Keaton like rock it up. The FedEx Cup is, it's...

We do not need a FedEx Cup. No, we don't need to do that. There's some tough styles. Keaton Bradley and McKenzie Hughes Max Homa Tom Kim and then no one is gonna Believe we're not paid by the PGA tour if we do a legitimate FedEx cup update right now I'm not letting this happen. No, we're not doing we're not going down the leaderboard in the FedEx cup SH Kim is 16 Hayden Buckley 17. We don't have our mixer. I don't have my ability to mute TC with me. This is insane. Anything else?

I was looking for a 66, 66 on the weekend. Mikumu Horikawa, not speaking to you, he's with Colin Morikawa, shot 66, 65 on the weekend to finish T16. You got to call this week a certain player you think is gonna have a big time year tour championship level year that had a nice week this week as well. I forget. Oh, Mav McNeill. That's right. Yeah, I think Mav's really disappointing 71 on Sunday for him.

This week finished T-12, he was like one of the only guys who for a bar yesterday or today, whatever day it is, we're recording this on Monday morning. That was this, I mean, you know, early double bogey and then, like, Mav couldn't win this thing. Probably should have had like a top three or top four finish. He's gonna win this year. I have a very good feeling. He's gonna win this year. And then Takumi Kenaya. You officially called him a fluffer this week? He was. I'm just saying he tied with Cam Young. Are you trying to get back on the time that you've been playing with?

He tied with Cam Young, Fleetwood. You know, I'm just saying he tied with some guys. Will you apologize for? I will. Wow, this is a big big step. It's just like, what's the deal with this event? I mean, it's a tough spot. It was the only Asian event this year.

CJ Cup is this week in South Carolina, which makes all the sense in the world. Like guys have to fly all the way over for this and then fly all the way back. And when you've got guys like Chez in the field, I think that just kind of diminishes the... It's interesting because it's in the limited field. There were still like 32 or 33 top 100 players. Like it was... But it didn't feel like a good field. It didn't feel like it was headlined really

with the really big top players. It's just always weird to have a limited field event that is not a WGC. It doesn't have all the top players. And just why do you need so and so playing all four days? I think it's just like, all right, if we had 156 man field, that requires a flight across the ocean and the risk of getting cut like the field's going to be even worse right.

It's a guaranteed payday. It's you know does that help boost the field in some way. I know limited field events are what the the live fanboys are hanging their hat on like look PJ Tours doing the same exact thing. We can talk about why that's not necessarily the case. I don't have a problem with it. It just is like a again like most fall events just very optional viewing. It happens in the middle of the night. It's really for the Japan market more than it is for the US market. I'm not going to ask anyone to

care a lot about the Zouso. I think my interest at it is about a three out of ten yet I think it's important for the PGA Tour to visit the enormous golf market like Japan. So I think it's probably serving its role yet at the same time, how I feel is a golf fan, it's just very math. And like, could it be better to like, could it be more, you know, just more like more dynamic event, right? The scoring's low. It doesn't help when Hedecki's T40, either. That's tough. This same person. Big price.

Yeah, huge purse. And a very good sponsor. And I think it's sponsors that PJ Tour wants to keep around. But knowing how changes are coming to the fall schedule, this seems like something that's going to stay. And probably look at getting one of those bumped up fields next year, or at least elevated events, or whatever we're going to call it because I don't think it's a major, major market. I mean, Japan's like the number two golf market in the world. And I think that's what kind of shocked me here is that I know countries in Asia are all different and how much us in being in Korea, like the Korean LPGA, is the show here.

But we couldn't even get it on TV. We had to watch it to that JNKS streaming site that who knows what viruses I have on my computer because the popups were crazy. But I mean, for not showing it here, we're on the relative, like close to the same time, it shocked me, but, and there's Korean guys going nuts on the PGA tour right now. Well, we might, we're in a hotel.

It might, it might be in everyone's household here. Hotel. But we also had two golf games. Yeah, we have two different, like strictly golf channels. So I think, all right, if we're looking at the future of the PGA tour, one of the huge things that the PGA tour has locked down is Hadekimatsu Yamas participation in this. And one of the takeaways we've heard from the meeting,

and talking to some of the top players, making sure Hadekimatsu Yamas taking care of is a priority. What is a way to do that? Which despite the fact that they didn't invite him to the meeting. Well, I believe that was due to the language issue. I think he was kept abreast of everything talked about and in agreement on it.

But the idea was, or an idea is like, hey, why wouldn't we elevate this event? If we need to go, he's here. He's bringing us the Japanese market, we need to go serve that market in a big purse, in one of the elevated markets. What's the rumor is they're gonna basically give him a stake in a resort that they're building,

let him design the golf course or co-design the golf course, give him equity in the resort, make him the host of the event. By the way, who are you talking about, like PGA Tour plus, you know, whatever the development is. Yeah, I'm sure Syrikson or you know, from a corporate basis, whomever.

And then also like he'll have like an academy or like a teaching academy there as well. Dude guys, why do we not know anything? Why has there been no additional information about the elevated events? This was such a big talking point in momentum last month of this big grand meeting and we're making changes and we had Jay out there

trumpeting everything. God, why has there still not been any new information? Because based on what I'm hearing is that the momentum is evaporating and the PGA tour is doing PGA tour stuff. Of course, they are. Why doesn't that shock anybody? It's just the same static organization that we've seen for many, many, many years. It did surprise me how fast and hard, doing the press conference to announce these changes

and how important this was before the ink was really signed on any of it, in a very early phase. They were in such a bad PR standpoint that they had to get out in front and create some positive momentum. Yet at the same time, things weren't really very close to being science-yield delivered. They've followed one thing.

Like they just don't follow up on it and they don't keep anybody abreast. They're gonna have to break some shit. Right? You're gonna have to break some sponsorships. You're gonna have to do some uncomfortable things to make the greater good happen for these, the top 30ish guys

or the top 50ish guys or whatever, but like that's what leadership is, right? That's also not like doing the restructuring or whatever it is, very much justice. It's not just for those top 50 or whatever 70 guys, because it also helps the bottom ends. For the future of the PJ Tour. Yeah.

I think it was laid out, was best case scenario, and I would be surprised if things got all the way to the finish line exactly how they laid it out. But the crazy part was like, all the guys were riding for it to happen for 2023. Yeah. I didn't know. I didn't think 2023 is a bonus,

but they're able to elevate for 2023 was a bonus. And the big changes are going gonna come in 24 allegedly, and I just don't know if it's gonna get. I think the dream of what it can be is gonna exceed where it actually ends up. Are they gonna elevate the right events? Is it gonna create the most interesting drama? I still need to be convinced on that.

I really do. I think it has a good chance. I just have a feeling that they're gonna, There's still a lot of mouse to feed. There's a lot of, you know, romb being a little perturbed about certain things. Some players aren't as excited about who's in charge of running the show and all this stuff as it may have seen coming out of that meeting. What it feels like at the at the risk of the, you know, like which events do you elevate at the risk of these these foreign, these like Asia events, these Asia Pacific events of where do you

put these in, right? Are they just after thoughts on the fall still in 2024 where you know you guys kind of feel up the jet and come over for two or three weeks and play Zozo and CJ and then you add one in, you know, I think you probably get rid of Malaysian, you try to add one in Australia, you try to add one in Thailand or somewhere like that where it's like there's very much like a, unless you're doing this during the fabric of that January to August or January to like Labor Day time frame, it just doesn't, if everything else else is gonna feel like an afterthought in the fall. It's a mess, it's gonna be a mess.

There's still, I think still a lot of pain to go here. Speaking of pain, live cheddar. First of all, I wanna say this off the top. What an incredible slight to King Abdullah economic city that they call this cheddar. I mean, we all know Royal Greens Golf and Country Club is located in King Abdullah economic city that they call this Jetta. I mean, we all know Royal Greens Golf and Country Club is located in King Abdullah economic city. And I just think that's an incredible slight to a renowned, you know, global city that,

you know, many of us have spent a lot of time in that, you know, it doesn't get the top billing, the event billing on the name. I think that's a, that's a major problem. Let me, let me see how far King Abdullah economic city is from, Jetta. They do get a little loose with defining the metro areas of some of the places. 90 minutes. Oh, God, that's a disgrace.

126 kilometers by car. It's a total lack of respect for King Abdullah, for sure. Brooks, Keppga, winds in a playoff. I'm just going to ask you guys this question off the top. Does this mean anything? It was pretty distopianly in when Brooks is Standing up there getting emotional Can I be really cynical with my guide, Dom Bole? Can be really cynical. I

Wasn't buying it. It felt a little fake. It felt a little Hollywood So it but like there's there's nobody there. There's nobody in the background It's just it was like I just saw the headline or the clip this one in the highlight. And I was like, and then, so he's working, how does it work? He's working with Harmon again. Annie's working with, he's working with Claude Harmon.

Annie's working with Pete Cowan. Who could say, like I don't, they got the boys back together. I don't. They got the boys back together. They are team back together. That's where I'm at. It's like, I don't care. I don't think it means anything. I don't think he's going up against Peter Uline

in a playoff. Peter Uline has not been able to keep PJS towards status for four years. And I just can't look at that and think, oh man, wow, Brooks kept his back, like he defeated his old buddy Peter Uline in a playoff when Uline has been a below average professional golfer. And basically like a 4A triple A, you know, yeah, Quad A baseball player, he's too good

for the minors, not good enough for the majors. I can't come to terms with this meaning, anything. Co-exual. It does appear though that that Peter Uline that we saw in so many years on Cornfairy Tour and PJ Tour is not this Peter Uline that's playing in these live events. He clearly has found something. I don't know.

We don't have any perspective on that. I understand that, but he is putting himself in intentions playing a lot better than the Peter Uline of old that we've seen. Brooks, I don't know what this means. I still haven't watched his presser. I was sleeping. It's like, I woke up at 6.40 this morning, so I apologize for everybody for that.

But who knows? I know that Brooks has had a horrible go of it from injuries and everything else. I was honestly shocked to see him playing this well here, but I also think maybe it has to do with courses that I don't know, maybe you've seen before or he just feels comfortable there. I know that didn't work out so much this week for DJ and Harold and everybody else who's been there to play this event. On this course, excuse me, the three other times that they've held events there. But I don't know. Is Brooks winning a professional golf tournament a good thing?

Very much so. I don't know where that racks the sacks with the greater golf world, but seeing him win and playing well again is great for the game of golf. First round 62. I just, like at some point, the way this season's working too, like, is this shit rigged?

I'm some dead serious. They're not participating with whatever the, I don't know how to, I'll say it wrong, the gaming, whatever information services or whatever, like they're not, it's not a real, a real sport in that regard. They don't, like, give information to gambling houses. So if you wanted to put the fix in, you definitely could. I do want to shout out Matthew Wolf 66, 66,

and round two and three to finish Solo Fifth. Or sorry, T-5. It's just so weird too. Like you got, you know, Brooks calls him Club Smash. It's team, you know, Smash GC. Brooks, you know, PDU line, Chase, all, you know, all in the top 15 there. Co-CRAC, Camm Smith,

Bryson and James Piet, all tied for 21st at minus 5. And this is where, just setting the, where I struggled of what it all means or if it means anything is an a point I wish I made last week. I made a very specific point about Lopez Chacar, playing an event that he did not qualify for. And the live puppets were quick to turn to sponsor exemptions on the PGA tour and make a shitty false equivalence.

But I find it frustrating to even have to spell this out this simply, but what I should have spelled out was that like these guys are also playing on a tour full of players that did not qualify for it. And there is a level, they were invited to this tour. It is invite only, they're sure there's like token spots available through various qualifications, but it's obviously very minimal through to this tour. It is invite only, they're sure there's like token spots available through various qualification, but it's obviously very minimal through the Asian tour and it's not a very sincere attempt

at actual real qualification. They don't have an infrastructure of guys behind them fighting for their spots. Martin Kymner's spot on this tour is safe and he's probably going to have a really good week at some point. These guys are signed to long-term contracts and that's fine. If you want to go do something different, that's what the money's for. But this is why the other tours and the majors don't want you because you're playing in a system that's inherently non-competitive because you have guaranteed spots. When Peter Yelin has had to work for his spots, he's

not been able to maintain it. When he's been pushed by the thousand guys behind him, that's a threat that that lives in every player's mind, every player that has status is thinking about all the dudes behind them that want to take that spot. When you take that away, your competitive infrastructure is really hard to gauge what it means. I think that's the entire point I want to make about why it's so important for qualification because it's just math, like a 48 player field with bottom 24 being not very good players. You're going to have a walking Neem and in the top five a lot and I don't know how.

I know walking Neem is really good. I know Brooks Keppga is really good at his best. He's proven that. I don't need you guys playing on this tour over here in an inherently non-competitive environment when you should be competing against the Roris and Shefflers and Morakalis. That's my overall point on this just like,

it does not mean much of anything to me to watch these guys win these events. And the other thing is like, if somebody's getting a sponsor exemption into one, two, maybe three events here or there, or it's what, a max of seven, if you're not a member, like, then, you know, that's is what it is. But when Jane go Pai is getting one every single week.

And those guys have to go play against a field full of qualified players. That's the difference. Like, it is, that is enormous. And again, I said this last week, I know that's not sexy and I know, you know, I'm not gonna win over any doubting hearts and minds in terms of what that means, but it is extremely important.

Extremely extremely important. It's a sample size. Yes, yes. I get it. I understand the points that you guys make all the time. But I also understand that this is new and this is for a first year start-up, they have done phenomenal from what everybody thought that they were going to do.

And I understand- Depends on how you define that, but yes. We understand that we get to this point where we're like, wait a second, what does it mean? And I agree with you, I don't quite understand what it means, I have a hard time understanding and trying to figure out similarities of what you can compare it to. But this is something new. This is, you can't compare a live event to any PGA tour

to any DP event that's out there. And that's OK. I'm OK with that. Because these players have all signed contracts and say that they're OK with that. Now when it comes to OWGR and getting points and everything else like that, should they get points? I will say yes. They need to make changes and I know they understand that and they eventually will. Who knows what

were they decide that but should these guys be getting world ranking points? I will go with a yes but the tour needs to change, right? There's just players that play on live that are too damn good and need to be, you know, identified for the rest of the world. Will it, they get a lot of points that all the live bots and live themselves and everybody thinks that they should, because they're trying to compare them to PGA tour events that people have qualified, they've earned their way in, everything else like that.

Hell no, absolutely not. They're gonna get minimal OWGR points because that's where it racks and stacks based off of the rules that OWGR set forth, but also really where these events are at. I understand we can sit there and watch Brooks get super emotional. I understand that people ride for the shotgun starts, but there is a lot behind somebody. Ricky yesterday

is having to sleep on the lead. You know, being in that last group and seeing waves and waves of guys go out in front of him. Playing, starting on whole number one and having a horrible slow start. Why? Because he's feeling everything about the competition and the pressure of that competition and knowing that he needs to get to 18 to have the lowest score to win that tournament. People who are in contention with him playing either in his group or the group behind him or seeing somebody rock it up the leaderboard that all comes with the traditional four round structure, t times that we are used to.

And I think that adds a lot of pressure to ultimately, whoever ends up winning, but that's what like, and it's a hard spot to be in because I know that's a traditional way of thinking, but at the end of the day What's the difference between a live event who's the shotgun start and I understand it's more for the vibe and Television and and by the way it was on TV here replay coverage or maybe delayed coverage But it was on TV in Korea. It like doesn't give me any juice

But that's not saying that it doesn't, it's not like a serious event for that. It just can't be compared to what we're traditionally used to. And I think that's why I don't think you can give them world ranking points because you can't compare a closed system with open competition. And it's why there's a, again, a kind of a misconception amongst a lot of people, I think, in what the OWGR is. It is not an independent body.

It is not a governing body. It is not sanctioned by the game of golf to make a world ranking system that is the most fair for all golfers on the planet to evaluate your talent. It is the biggest golf tournaments and tours coming together to say, look, there's a lot of shit going on in a lot of places and we need to figure out how to rank people. Let's come up with a set of agreements, a set of rules that everyone around the world, if you want to participate in the Masters and the US Open, and the PGA and the British Open or the PGA Tour or the DP World Tour. If you want to get in through a world ranking, your tour has got to be set up this way. It's got to be driven by competition, the open qualification, you know, there's got to be an average field size of 75, there's got to be a cut, there's got to be a threat level that you might be going home. There's a reason why they don't set it up with a closed circuit.

Do I agree that Dustin Johnson's an incredible talent? Like there's no one doubting that, but he's not playing in that system anymore. And it is the live guys that want to play in the OWGR system. The OWGR system was represented by the tours in the majors. That's what they want to do and not play by the rules. So in that regard, like if the OWGR was this overarching, beautiful system that was just meant, owned by the game of golf, the theoretical game of golf, I would agree, like they're playing golf

they should get points, but they're not playing by, and I'm gonna use this in quotes, like the rules of golf as they've been made for the professional golf tours. And I don't know how you, I just, again, you can't measure what it means to beat James Piot when he's been given a spot in the field for return, like for as long as we know. We don't have any baseline for his talent.

He didn't go beat out a ton of players for it. The other thing, like the only reason the AWGR points matter is for the majors. Yes, right? And there's nothing saying that live can't go to any fucking major and negotiate or whatever and try to figure out, hey, can our top four top five guys get to see?

That's more realistic, I think, than getting OWGR points. I think that's the most realistic option to getting their guys in majors. And I think also, though, to that point, Taylor Gooch got in the BMW PGA through his top 50 ranking. So, as of now, the path to DP World Tour events can be, you can get in until the hearing in February or March, whenever that is. These guys have sued their way into that and you can. It's just funny, it was all about, we don't want to play that much. Brooks' quote this week, blew my fucking mind. It's the best I've felt in three years,

and the golf swing has started to come around. I'm excited. It kind of sucks. We only have this event in Miami left in a bunch of time off. Like, they're just trolling us at this point. And then what's the deal with the... Cody, we were talking about yesterday with the team points. I don't know. They just straight up like changed the... He changed which rounds count or how many rounds count? We live from like one and two...

Round one and two, only counting two individual scores for the team score, and then round three, counting three to like, round round one counting two, round two and three is counting three. I know that's all changing at Dorao for the actual team championship, but what that, where that really brings us here is that you're talking a lot about qualification and who knows what system I think at one point time they're using the Asian tour and trying to say that there just hasn't been like Asian tour events. Who knows, I'm sure they'll figure out a way for that.

But also relegation, right? The four aces, who are the best team in this league are going to lose. They were not going to be team champions, right? They will lose in Doraral because of Paparazzi. All right, then we shot 77 yesterday. There is no reason why Paparazzi is making the money that he is, it's incredible.

There has to be some, like, the guilt of that man has to feel. Oh, he feels none of it. Let me stand right there. But a normal human being, like, oh man, what is going on, man? So there's four teams that have not finished in the money. Can we close the OWJR point before we move on to that? I just, I want to, again, clarify. The shotgun start doesn't bother me that much when it comes to OWJR points.

54 holes doesn't bother me that much when it comes to OWGR points. 54 holes doesn't bother me that much. I think it should be discounted. The source of the money does not bother me. The moral issue of any of that is not why. Listen, unfortunately, in this year of 2022, we are beyond where the money is coming from. And the reason why I say that is because we can be up in arms. Oh my God, this money and everything else like that, we can have all the people come and say,

oh, but what about all the money that they invest in and you name these stocks and companies and what do they own that you guys use every single day? We're so far beyond that that in April or excuse me, in October of 2022, that we can literally have a professional golf event that is sponsored by the P.I.F. held in New York City. And that was the Ramco team series this last weekend, the ladies. People do not care anymore. Now, select individuals, I understand, can still stay there.

But, man, sports washing, whatever whatever you wanna say it, it works. It works. It works. I think it is a very, I think it's a defeatist attitude to just accept it though, because that's what they're counting on. They're counting on that they will wear you down

on the moral outrage front, right? And I, as like world events really ramp up in terms of what's out here maybe is up to, it's just harder and harder to like ignore for me personally and it's different for every part. There's so many people, not so many people. There's some very loud minority out there that like does not give one single shit about where the money comes from because they believe the entertainment value exceeds that aspect on the moral scale or whatever I feel different.

But if the entertainment value was exceeding that, then there'd be more than 25,000 people watching. That's why it's all like, I was emphasizing last week, there were only real successes I would say to this point have been their ability to manipulate people with money. Like they can't, I don't think the problems they can't buy their way out of, they can't do, they can't want in court yet.

As far, I mean, that's to be determined, of course, they lost the TRO, they can't do, they can't, they haven't won in court yet. As far, I mean, that's to be determined, of course, but they lost the TRO, they can't get a TV deal, they can't get OWGR points, the Capitol Hill visit was a total shit show, like, just counting on their money has been their only real success. Third leg, guys, man. I'm just trying to add to the, the opposite point of view of this whole thing, I get it. I understand. We didn't talk about a Remco. Also in like world news last week like Saudi-Raming government literally beheaded people because they refused to move out of their homes because that's

where Nehom like the the line city is going straight up killed people because they already killed them. I don't think they issued them a death warrant on them but I don't know if they either way. I don't know if they've asked. It's not good. Done the deed yet, but... And then the one princess, I was saying that, you know, our entire society is a product of G-Hod and... I have the quote for you. If you'd like that...

Hell yeah. ...accurately said, a cousin of MBS said, to the West, anybody who challenges the existence of this kingdom, we are all projects of G-Hod and martyrdom. So yeah, that's where it's like, I just, I know they're counting on people to get past all this stuff, and I personally am not able to. It's just, it's amazing to hear Phil's comments and stuff this week, which we can get to, but I do gotta get to something else first. I don't know if there's gonna be a good place to transition to this.

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Because he was minus nine. Yeah, playing very, very good. And speaking of WDs, Kevin Naup appeared to be like on desk doorstep. I'm sure you guys have experienced because we've done quite a bit of like big world travel before in our lives up to this point. But when you get sick and like catch a random bug somewhere in your in a foreign country and you have nothing there of like comfort, he got really really sick last week and was like getting IVs and everything picked up the flu. Continued over, obviously had to fly straight to Saudi Arabia, could never like get it kicked he looked horrible visually like shaking on the golf course stumbling around like just a tough tough seat. That's wow yeah for independent contractor to have to go and show up in Saudi Arabia like that's

why I feel horrible. What a miss for live too like to like we're sitting here in Korea and there's like 10 I mean, I know Kevin Nas American, but like he's a Korean American golfer, right? And there's There's like 10 other Korean Koreans or Korean American golfers that I would have picked before Kevin Nas to build a team around they might have just didn't couldn't get him true I, the iron heads have yet to finish in the money. This year, there's four teams that have not, so this is the other thing about Liv. I'd be pissed if I was one of the other guys,

that DJ got to pick his own team and granted he's sat up with Pat Perez, but also he's got. Taylor Kooch and Patrick Reed. Yeah, whereas, torque iron head punch, I'm worried about punch, and the nibblicks have yet to finish in the money on any of these. I think that that's where it's like,

dude, like, who do you like take that up with? Who are you like, I'm outraged with how you guys are distributing this money. Like, where is my representation in this league? Like, fix this problem for me now. Who do you go to there? Well, and that's kind of the thing that, like, I get back to, like, you know, the Greg Norman,

like, to your point last week about all their successes have been just solely predicated based on money, right? Greg Norman, like, at what point do they just tell him, like, take a hike, man. Performance 54 did all the branding for this shit. The nibblacks, the quiques, the smatched, you see, all this stuff, it's terrible.

I mean, they failed on all the basic branding elements and all the clarity of the actual competition and it just, it blows my mind. I'm like, you're spending all this money. Like, you could get better, you know, better services for this money, right? And I think that the PGA tour, I've said it 15 times now, the PGA tour has gotten super lucky

that it's third leg Greg running this thing. Cause like, once he's not running it and they bring in like a competent operator, it's going to be a lot more of a competitor. I would be stunned if first event, I'd be surprised. First event of 2023, if third leg Greg was still the commissioner of this league, I think it would, based on what we're hearing, just there's enough rumblings that I don't think that he is long for this job. And he's probably gonna pretend

like this was the plan all along. I just needed a big name to get it started and I think that's gonna change. But can we talk about Phil's comments this week? Sure. Phil said, for a long, long time, my 30 years on the PGA tour, pretty much all the best players

playing the PGA tour at least for the last 20 years. That will never be the case again. I think going forward, you have to pick a side. You have to pick what side do you think is going to be successful. And I firmly believe that I'm on the winning side of how things are going to evolve in shape in the coming years for a professional golf. He continued until both sides sit down and have a conversation and work something out. Both sides are going to continue to change and evolve.

I see live golf training upwards. I see the PGA tour training downwards and I love the side that I'm on. Cool, it's cool. Very cool. Also potentially contributing to the downward trend of the PGA tour by allegedly cooperating in an investigation from the Department of Justice against the PGA tour. So yeah, that might be a little, some of the reasoning behind that statement. I thought the more interesting thing from Phil this week was just, you know, confirming

or, you know, insisting that it was not an interview. You have to. We can get to that. So with the final individual live event of the season in Saudi Arabia at Marks, Michelson's first trip to the country since his inflammatory comments earlier this year to author Alan Shipnuck when Michelson suggested that the Saudis were scary motherfuckers to get involved with and that he was overlooking the country's horrible human rights record because it was a once in a lifetime opportunity to reshape the Gulf landscape.

Michelson apologized for those remarks which he claimed were off the record out of context and took an extended leave of absence this spring, causing him to miss both the Masters, where he's a three-time champion and his title defense, the PGA. As Thursday, if he changes opinion, Mikkelsen said, so I will reiterate, I never did an interview with Alan Shippnut and I find my experience with everybody associated

with Liv Gulf has been nothing but incredibly positive. The utmost respect for everybody I've ever been involved with. Bottom line, period point blank. Just obfuscating, just really trying to get off on this technical definition of what an interview is. Of course, no follow-up challenge to that really. You did not have sexual relations with that woman. And that moment this week was just very much like a guy.

How did all of a sudden become my job to call out when people are just directly lying to you? Why are more people upset when guys just directly lie in front of you and try to pretend like you're not smart enough to figure this stuff out? It's crazy. High flyers, not playing while we're there. I'll say this, a couple weeks back there's a rolling stone article that came out that I was quoted in I got got and The author completely did me dirty. I was setting them up for an interview for a podcast that I that I have down range And it had to do with military stuff and I was coordinating with him And he asked me a question because he's been doing a a great deep dive into things that have been going on

Around Fort Bragg North Carolina and that's what the interview was going to be for. And he asked me a question. My primary focus was coordinating times for this interview to be done. He asked me a throwaway question in there if I'd know one of these individuals. I said, yeah, great guy. He served with him. He's not involved with all this other crazy drug deaths and everything else like that.

He actually ended up dying of natural causes. And oh, by the way, does next Thursday look good for you? Next thing you know, this article comes out like two days later, and I am quoted in there by name, by position, by unit affiliation. And I'm like, what the hell? I immediately email him back, I'm like, dude, what are you doing?

None of this was on the record. And he said, Cody, every course, one of the things that you have with me is on the record unless you tell me that it's not. And I was like, whoa, my world's collided. Brain exploding moment. And I thought immediately back to this moment to shipnuck sitting in his car what he says that he took that interview

on his way home last fall during the wishful bra. He is actually driving in one of his kids or his kids were with him. I actually had to get out of the driver's seat. Alan has very specific details, facts of these events that took place. And for Phil to say that it's not an interview, I think he probably got got just like I did. I never said this is not on the record,

and case in point, it still stands. It feels been around long enough to know. Well, he was like Alan has said many, many times too of like, I was writing a book about him. I've pestered him for an interview and interview. I off the record is an agreement between two parties and of course anything he said, if you're a failure done media for 30 years, you know when to say off the record.

And the brilliance of what Phil did this week is that statement is so outlandish and so ridiculous that you forget what he said. He's in the country about the people that he's talking about and now the story is about him lying about the interview and not the actual comments like it was actually kind of brilliant obfuscation or whatever you want to call it of just running a surprise a surprise play if you will. Hey that's the film Michael Sino were used to not the newter dog who's been up there for the first six months.

So it's kind of nice to see that guy back. Hopefully his game, who knows if that comes around. How about the henna cats here? Yeah, that was wild. I don't know, a lot of gorilla references. I kind of thought, you know, the old-school Mike Tyson boxing game where his arms were up in the air. I thought that's what it kind of looked like. Cle it out the rest of the list up for the week.

Herald Varner's comments on OWGRE said for me I think we knew what we were getting into. I think it's easy to sit here and say what could happen, what should happen. But obviously for me I knew what was going to happen. Like it wasn't going to be easy. I think the people that lived in unbelievable job because I don't know about the check marks honestly I could care less. I knew exactly what was going to happen. I knew what could happen in my career and I accept that. As Graham McDowell's sitting up there like they need to take official out of the official world golf rankings. They're up there doing the

interview together. I was like all right Harold keep it a pretty real. I respect that. I respect Harold missed his kids birthday. Oh that friend's gonna be so upset about that. I hate the unintentional irony there. Are you guys worried about the Majestics? You keep trying to make us care about these teams. But first of all, let me just say we don't care. I just, I keep going back to these team names, A, or so fucking stupid. All right, but the Majestics, after a really hot start,

10th place, 7th place, 7th place, last three events. I will say I'm worried about the Majestics after a really hot start, 10th place, 7th place, 7th place, the last three events. I will say I'm worried about the Majestics just debasing themselves on Twitter between Polter and Westwood on a weekly basis. I was trying to get you a segue. Polter blows up Jamie Weir, using a clip from our podcast from July

that was like, not a gotcha at all. It was a British open live show. Yeah, I don't understand at all what he was going for. Him and Westwood just continued to embarrass themselves on Twitter on a weekly basis. Can we play a little this week in misleading headlines? I think this may need to be a new segment on the show. I'm going to need you to, T.C., you're in charge of saying left click. As in, oh, I want to hear more about that, okay? So ESPN said, Hadecki Matsuyama,

live players should earn world ranking points. Left click. Okay, let's go check this out. Actual quote, I think they should be able to, however, there's a procedure they need to follow. Next up, sports illustrated. An official world golf ranking committee member thinks live golf should get points.

Masha down on the left the left left click who is that oh it's the asian torsio who has to recuse himself for the process who nominated live uh... to get ow g our points they are trying they are sheepishly uh... shamelessly trying to get us on these headlines and again somehow part of my job description became calling out uh... horrible heavily which we got a you got a watch for Illustrated these days. I think they're, they've got some conflicts of interest, I think.

Well, it seems to be kind of the slow migration of some other publications as well. You don't know if they're in the bag, outside of the bag, they're trying to just be the unbiased journalist that they claimed that they are, but tend to be running with a lot of big row. Bag adjacent.

Yeah. First of all, one thing I need to get off my chest is bias. All right. Love this, T.C. Love this. So, people use bias incorrectly, just from a grammatical perspective. Like, you are biased. No, I'm biased.

I'm not biased, I'm not Len bias. I'm not. You're talking about the technical, I think you're talking about the actual definition here. You're talking about the grammar, okay. Well, I mean, Andy, yeah, the whole bias thing, I'm just, hey, I think probably everybody's biased. I don't think that we've pretended that we're not at any point.

We're an opinion, we try to be factual, but also we inject our opinions. So my opinion on bias, and this is not the way a lot of people see it, it may not be the technical definition, would be like, it would be as if my brother, which I don't have a brother, if my brother was an executive at the PGA tour, I would be viewing a lot of my opinion and commentary based on this bias of this close relationship with somebody who's making the decisions. I'm going to try to view it through the most optimistic way possibly for that person because I have a direct family tie into that decision-making process.

And I can definitively say that is not where I'm sitting from. My bias is towards what I think to be the most interesting and entertaining golf. And I- So you are biased towards something, but it's like everybody's biased towards something. It's your personal preference. I think that is in the best interest of our audience and golf fans. And if I had a financial bias towards Liv and I was greatly encouraged to say great things about them and that was at the expense of the audience,

that would be the kind of bias that people should be trying to detect and there are people that they get content from. That's my stance on this. It's like, I don't know how people accuse us of being biased in favor of the PGA tour if you've listened to this show for four plus years. I don't like, I'm like six of the last 10 episodes I've been on, I've called for Jay Monahan

to lose his fucking job. And I do understand the confusion of like, what the hell you guys shit on the tour so much, why don't you like live? And I, again, that iterating in that stance is just like, you can have the viewpoint that the PJ Tour falls short on the entertainment aspect of the game of golf and has for many years. So many different things. So many different levels and that is a point we continue to maintain. And you can also think that this alternative is not going to be the answer for the future. And that's where I sit.

Like I'm not gonna tell you, like you should feel differently, or you should hate live, or whatever. I'm just that is where we are always on this show going to talk about how we directly, how we feel in the most authentic way. And I'm really tired, annoyed, frustrated with that integrity aspect of it,

constantly being challenged on a baseless level. If anything, we could have accepted money from live or live adjacent stuff and the lives, like I'll be candid, like, live has been very good for our bottom line, right? Like, you know, ratings are up or like, you know, downloads are up and people are, you know, I think everybody's got fatigue on it now. I know I certainly do, but at the end of the day, like it's given us something to talk about during kind of otherwise juiceless weeks. Like we're not sitting here pretending like the Shriners or the Sanders and Farms or those tournaments are the end all be all or are, you know, some shining example for the PGA

tour. It's like, you know, and I think there's certain things that the PGA tour. It's like, and I think there's certain things that the PGA tour can and should glean from live to improve their product. Like I think the team stuff has a place in golf, right? The tour will fuck that up. But that's the other thing. It's like I'm the first one to raise my hand and be like,

yo, I despise a lot of things about the PGA tour. I despise a lot of people that work for the PGA tour. I think that the way that they run their processes, the way that they run everything, it's just such a status quo as the status quo and it's not going to change and it takes them, it's just a glacial organization, they're inherently uncreative, they prioritize a lot of the wrong

stuff, but even then, comparing and contrasting what I value and what I believe in from a golf perspective against live, I'll take the PGA tour. Yeah, it's choosing between two bad options, really. And I think we were very in favor of the PGA tour being disrupted when it was through the PGL and through this concept of a merger of some kind between the PGL and Tour that was like- And there's relegation and you're on your way in. And it was going to involve all the top players.

And again, I've said this a million times on here that a huge reason why a mega-not-down would live is it's going to lead to a fraction golf world at best. They're not going to get everyone. So no matter what, we get more golf. Sure, like a lot of some people are just a fan of having more golf on it, different times in different places to watch. I can get that.

I do. I would rather see Dustin Johnson and Cameron Smith compete against the top players in the world. It's a shame that their talent is being wasted over on an invite only tour. I don't even mind, like on the limited field stuff. Like we're at BMW, there was 70 players. 70 top players on PGA tour,

Cam was in the mix at that point. Like, you know, that was before some of the guys left as well. And like, at no point was my enjoyment of that tournament, at all, encumbered by having only 70 guys in the field. If anything, they went off in two Sims and it was a better viewing experience on site, right? So it's like, I think 40, it's probably a little bit light,

but I think that's 70 to 80 range, is like for some of these elevated events, I don't know, I have no problem with that, right? And again, the difference in 70 to 80 that qualified to be there is different than a closed system. And it is open to guys being able to play their way into it and things like that, that can't stress enough how vast that difference is. Any

reaction to any of this code? No it's hard hard hard spot for me. I agree with what you guys are saying. I think the more the more that you can get the best players in the world together to play the better off the game of golf is. The game of professional golf. That's not really why I enjoy golf, though. And really professional golf is not why I'm into golf. 100%. But at the same point in time, me personally, the things that I've done in my life, I would be a hypocrite if I, just like I said earlier, like I have done things

on behalf of the Saudi government. I am in a very unique spot. I see all the bad shit. I know all the bad shit. I've talked about all the Saudi government. I am in a very unique spot. I see all the bad shit. I know all the bad shit. I've talked about all the bad shit. But, man, it's just, it puts me in a in a tough spot. I care about the money. I know I said earlier, I don't care about the money. I think you know, I want to take that back because it does matter. And you kept bringing up the point of people being bought and successes and everything's been because of the money.

And I agree with you on that. But I also think that these guys made their choice and that's the choice that they're going to have for who knows how long. And really nobody does until the fun decides decides we don't wanna do this anymore. But this is the way it's going to be. And I'm constantly trying to find the optimistic approach of like this is life. So, let's make some fucking lemonade.

The guy, yeah, the guys who are set that are playing on live that are going to be playing in majors, they're fine. I respect the hell out of HB3 for saying, yo, I came over here because they were going to pay me, and this is money that I can take back to my community, my foundation, and do everything that I never dreamed of being able to do. I don't need that. I knew coming over that I wasn't going to get a point. That's great. All the other people who are bitching and crying and complaining about it, when you add

it in there, the polters, the McDowell's, that bucket of people, I struggle with that. But I think it goes back to like what ultimately live can do it is instead of all this crazy shit and Mina, tour, loophole, and let's try to figure something else out. Like, just go to the majors and say, hey, for, you know, top five that are already non-exempt, can we get spots? And I think that will get us to the point where we can see those guys again. Yeah, I constantly have said, I believe I've been very consistent on this of like, dude, like I just don't have that much for problem with guys leaving and going to go do it. Like I don't just go do that kind of,

you can't have all things as well. Yeah, I have no idea. I was causing a big divide. That's an issue. Like the guys who want to have it both ways and every way, you know, and I get that. But also they need to realize and admit, like, you know, your justification that you're agent or whoever at Limpiar like gave you for, in order to accept this and lead the PJ tour of, you want to play less.

Like, that's just clearly not the case for the majority. For some, for the Brookses and DJs and those high-level dudes who are said, that's cool. I think it's awesome that the Aussies are finally going to go back and the majority of them are all playing in Aussie PGA, Aussie Open. I think they're doing another big, big man-ess-like pro-am in Australia around the same time to kind of round that out. So Aussie Golf has like all of their guys back. You know, I think that's great. And I would like to see the PGA Tour like we talked about before. Come up with an elevated event or get golf back to that market.

But I don't think they ever will because they're like, they can't get out of their own. That's the whole thing with the PGA Tour. It's like, all right, you want to be the global tour. You want to be the golf tour in the world. You got to go play the world. You can't just say, we're going to choke off the DP World Tour, we're going to kill off these Australian events.

We're going to choke off global golf, consolidate it all in the US, and you got to come here. Like, I feel like that's fine and great from the West Coast swing through the US open, but after that, it's like you got to give and take a little bit, right? Yeah, and I don't know how I feel about that because this is where I will fully admit bias of like, I would like my United States viewing times to be my United States viewing times. You know, that's 100% a bias. when people say you view things to the American perspective,

it's like, yeah, dude, that's kind of what I think we're representing here. But also, some of it is like, I love waking up and watching European tour golf on Saturday and Sunday mornings. It's 7 a.m. I think it, yeah. And that's... Or it's like you get up and watch F1. Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes you don't need's like you get up and watch F1.

Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes you know what I mean? You're just a bit too pissed. Yeah, but it's like one of those things where I don't know, I just feel like there's a certain sense of... For me it's less about where the money's coming from. I'm like, yeah, I'm not, I don't love that. And that sucks, but at the end of the day too, it's like, should some private investment fund,

I don't care if it's the Norwegians or the Canadians or the Saudis run golf. It's like, I'd be, like I don't want the US government running golf. 100%. 100%. I think that's enough about Saudi Arabia. Let's get to the Iran co-series, okay?

I'm sorry. And I know that this is maybe like more of a trap drop saying, but the actions that the number one thing that people in America are seeing right now that has a direct influence from the government of Saudi Arabia just still happens to be through the sport of golf. The actions on the political side that the country of Saudi Arabia is doing to the country of the United States, the majority of the European Union, and everybody else who deals in oil right now are so fucked. If you want to talk about global conflicts, the decision that Saudi Arabia made with Russia last week is fucked for the world. All right? And you're talking about the OPEC supply, you know, taking down supply.

This is a golf podcast, but this somehow is related to golf. The through line is crazy. The women's, you know, ladies' European tour event, which so many people are like, this is an LPG event. No, it's not. It's a ladies' European tour event, which I don't know what the affiliation is between ladies ladies European tour event, which so many people are like, this is an LPG event. No, it's not. It's a ladies European tour event, which I don't know what the affiliation is between ladies European tour. It's a joint venture, but this is not on the LPG tour schedule.

But anyway, it's not like the PIF, it's the Aramco, it's the estate oil company of Saudi Arabia, which is a party to OPEC and all of it. Like, it has a direct relationship. Oh, by the way, this week, the event at Trump Fairy Point, there were an Ampco team service, ladies event, was presented by the PIF. Yeah. Oh yeah, and that's where I think the whole,

the whole, where's the outrage thing that can stop, you know, everyone just, I don't hear you guys raven about the Ramco series. I'm like, all right, I will gladly put this on the record yet again as to exactly how I feel about it. I know it's mostly performance art and no one that is actually saying these things is actually listening to this podcast this far in, I'm sure.

But I think it stinks. I think it also helps highlight how much more it has stunk on the men's side. If we're comparing, I think the Ramco team series is pretty comparable. And Rainy made this point as well to the Saudi international. And I know that it's more than one event. But it's essentially like remembering back

when Phil issued the Phoenix Open to go play in the Saudi international. That stunk. And it's not to the point where the LPGA players are bypassing LPGA events to go play the Aramco series. I could be wrong on that. I don't know if all of the events have gone up against LPGA tour events or whatnot,

but it seems to be pretty unanimous by and there was no LPGA tour event this past week. And yes, a lot of players that we support went and participated in Saudi sports washing at the Aramco team series. That's just a fast. Including Madeline, who's, you know, one of our favorites who we sponsor,

she came in second. Yeah, well, we had two players in 12,000, Jillian, yeah. I still think, you guys, I would love to hear your thoughts on this, this is vastly, vastly different than abandoning your tour and the system which creates value for your fellow players and fracturing the game.

Like it's happening on the men's side because it looks to be pretty unanimous on the women's front that, and I know, or me personally, I've said this a thousand times, the inevitable fracturing of the game is one of the many reasons why I think live sucks and I don't think that's where we're headed on the women's side.

But the only reason that's not what, the only reason that's not why we're headed is because the LPGA and ladies European tour lack the power and lack the consolidated power to impose their rules and regs upon. Everybody like, they've Nelly Corda and Jess Corda and all the ladies that played there this week said, you know, Brook Henderson said, hey, like, you know, we want to play in this and the LPGA said no, then I think that would expedite a live women's golf.

I want to be clear, I think the, I think the ladies golf is going to get overrun by this, but I don't think it's going to lead to fracturing. Like I think it's going gonna be much closer to unanimous runaway Saudi Arabia owns women's golf. Yeah, I agree. And it seems like they have like, and they can feel free to go and do that.

What I was surprised at is that I, maybe it was the first time that I, because I knew I was gonna be on the recap all this week, but like looking at the purse, it's only a million dollar purse. Yeah. I'm this an appearance fees, or I don't know exactly how they... I got that, but like, what do we...

What are we kind of doing here? I was gonna say, I imagine it's appearance fees, but also like, what's the composition of the field? Is it just basically a bunch of sponsor exemptions for the whole field and then they just pick and choose and the whole team thing? Like, what are the teams? I don't know, I haven't paid enough attention to the...

Again, I think another reason to dislike live is the level of greed. But on the men's side, like dudes that have already made hundreds of millions of dollars playing golf left to go play for more millions for the Saudi government. Like that, the money on the women's side is not the same. It's not the same level of greed.

So I don't feel the same kind of outrage towards it. Like, and like I said, there seems to be some unification on this front. It's not the same level of greed, so I don't feel the same kind of outrage towards it. Like I said, there seems to be some unification on this front. That being said, I'm not going to be interested in this or support it. Like I don't think it's going to be good. You know, it's not going to keep my attention. Like I just... I wasn't motivated to watch it this week.

And like Lexi won, so I'm extra out. So that's kind of how I feel about it. It's all very complicated and not fun. And sometimes this is what pro golf has turned into. It's also, I mean, at the end of the day, it's like, if this shit's not going on, we're going to have a 45 minute pod where we talk a little bit about the Zozo,

a little bit about the Andalusia Masters at Valderama. And then probably bits and pieces here and there. Sozo a little bit about the Andalusia Masters at Valderama and then, you know, probably bits and pieces here and there and it's like a 45 minute pot. You want to talk about Freddie Kubble who's shooting the final round 60 to win the... He did, I didn't see that. Wow. Adrian O'Togway wins at Valderama. If you remember, he played three live events and sued his way into playing DP Tour World

Events and Players. If you remember, he played three live events and sued his way into playing DP Tour World Events. Some players were up in arms, but the DP World Tour not tweeting enough about him this week. He was one of the three players added to the field for the Genesis Scottish after appealing, they appealed their suspensions for playing in the inaugural live event in London. DP World Tour members who played on the Saudi-funded

Rebels Circuit without permission were banned from the Scottish Open hit with fines of 100,000 However, following a hearing before sport resolutions the suspensions were imposed on the tagway in Polter and Justin Harding were temporarily stayed pending determination of their substantive appeals the hearing is scheduled for February a played the three of the first four live events, but it is not clear if you will play any further tournaments, that's all from Sky Sports. So basically, as soon as we're able to be able to play DB World Tour and then won this week. So I thought there was a cool story that, Ainehel Hidalgo, I think he finished, let's see here, finished fourth, minus eight.

So he was 11 shots back. I mean, I'll talk away one by six shots. Minrually finished third, Hedago, Rasmus Huygard, Marcus Kinhold, but the, I think Hedago was like 23 or 24 and this was like basically locked up European tourist that or DP World Tour status for a while and big celebration afterwards it was crying. I thought it was funny like the way thatist, or DP World Tour status, formed for a while, and big celebration afterwards, it was crying. I thought it was funny, like the way that, you know, the DP World Tourist, like, you know, like, we don't care. Like, we're not gonna cover this stuff,

we're only gonna, like, we're gonna be very transparent that, like, here's where our priorities lie. And they said that when they were even allowed back in the field, like, we're not gonna promote you on feature groups, or any of that stuff basically. And just it permeates through everything in Pro Golf right now, but. I'm a little bit concerned,

my guy Big Bob McIntyre shot, found around 74, still finished ninth, but the spread between like first and 10th, or first and ninth was 15 shots. Val Naramah, it's a big boy golf course. So I think that's, listen, there was some passion came through today. I was great having here Cody

to kind of offer a different viewpoint. I'm trying my best. I know. I, I, I, I, Well it's just funny when people are like, you know, hey, you're not covering this objective, like, I don't like, hey, I try to be objective, but at the end of the day, these are my opinions.

This is how I feel. And like, can't tell me how to feel, right? This is how I think that, you know, this is how this works with my belief system or with what I prioritize or why I watch golf. And like, I can't really change that, right? And I'm not trying to be the end all be all or people tune in because evidently,

they like our conversation about this stuff. And I'm not going to fake, there's certain elements that I think are really interesting. And I'm following the team stuff. And I think all the, it'll be a super interesting office season to see how they fix half these fucking teams because half of them are god awful and they stink. And like just how they make this into a more cohesive

like objective ecosystem instead of just the tape together bullshit that it is right now. And I will say the like, from an outsider looking at you, I know like your favorite players that you used to watch on the PGA tour all are on live now. Yeah, it sucks. And I know you've given your best effort

to be invested in live and to get us invested in the team. It's not even invested, it's just like, I need to pay attention. Yeah. And I just think it's funny that you come to the realization that you have of like, fuck man, I just can't do it. Like all of this is so fun. I mean like the crushers.

And to your point earlier, Cody, I'm just like not caring where the money comes from or people moving on. It's like, I think the day we don't mention that is like the day that it has worn us down and they win. And that's where like, I hate reiterating it. I hate talking about any of that shit, but it just seems like I think that the league

should not be presented without that because it is the fundamental factor that drives it. It is the purpose of the league, these players are ponds in their scheme. And it is not based on that drives it. It is the purpose of the league, these players are ponds in their scheme. And it is not based on market forces and business factors. Like the whole thing is just a big front for this enormous, enormous marketing expense. They pretend like they want to make money from this thing

because if you don't, if you say otherwise, then you basically are admitting to what exactly this thing is that we all know what it is. And yeah, and that's, again, to T.C.'s point as well, that's how I feel about it. And welcome another week's worth of shitty, shitty comments thrown in our direction. And we'll talk about it all next week.

How is time you're gonna invest this week to the Twitter bots out there in trolls that are just trying to wear you down? I mean, a fair amount. I don't know. I do wonder what it would be like if I just never pressed the notification at thing on Twitter. It's been... I had people coming at me this week for... or two days ago because I was like, man, I just I think... I simply did not see these coming from Team Smash, all this stuff.

How dare you? There are people, oh my god, you're... you know, like some of those... like it was almost like PGA tourbots coming at me, calling me like a live dick rider and I was like, this is crazy, man. I know and I know like it does not make for the best podcasting, just bitching about people on Twitter, but it's been a really bizarre year. It's been an exhausting several months of going through this week after week after week. I think hopefully we can get back to like talking about some non-prog off stuff. Even on the, you know. I'll get through these next few weeks and then I'm sure to live guys will just totally be quiet

and just let us all continue on our way and not causing any trouble. Do you know what I am excited for this coming up week though? A fall event at Congri. Last time, the only time that we've seen it has been a spring. Or really early summer. But man, everything that we wanted last time, a firm and fast and baked out, that's what this is gonna be,

this coming up week, and it should be awesome viewing. And we're in Korea for the BMW Ladies Championship, and we're heading out this week. We thought we were coming over for the CJ Cup, and then we got here and realized, oh no, very unlucky break but no we're excited to see what women's golf in Korea is like because just watching a little bit on TV this week flipping it on it's like, oh well that makes sense

that there's an enormous Korean LPGA presence because the Korean LPGA is enormous here in the amount of people at these events, put live to shame, it's wild. Playoff baseball is on right now too. We're gonna hopefully go to a game tonight. So, Lil Kimmy's allegedly, I've gotten to, we are under an advising, an advisement right now because there's planned or could be a surprise nuclear test that's going on.

So, very cool. And then, yeah, we've gotten to public safety notifications just as we've been sitting here. They're all in Korean. I've got to take a screenshot, put it in the translate app. This one was just all about cacao being down, which is like there, what's up, and Amazon, and all this stuff. So.

Before this turns into a trap draw, we got to go. We got to get some breakfast. Guys, just end the listeners out there. As Chief Security Officer of Knowing Up, we're gonna be okay. I already have emergency action plans in place. I've got a fallout room identified. We're gonna be okay.

So we'll be able to bring a podcast next. Some are saying that the reason that Lil' Kimmy is doing these nuclear tests now is because we're over here. True. So, you know. I'm good to see. Thank you everyone for tuning in to another the reason that Lil' Kimmy is doing these nuclear tests now is because we're over here. It's true. So, you know. Good to see. Thank you, everyone, for tuning in to another week

of the No-Legout podcast. We'll be back with CJ Cup, the NW Ladies recap. Next week, got a fun episode actually coming Tuesday with we recorded it last week with Jamie Weir, Kyle Porter, and T.C. Talking about the Ryder Cup for next year. It's almost no lift talk. If you hated all the lift talk, tune in this week.

And... I hopped on with three of the world's foremost Talk about the Ryder Cup for next year. It's almost no lift talk. If you hated all the lift talk, tune in this week and... I hopped on with three of the world's foremost Rory Dick Ryder's. I'm kind of a Rory closet Dick Ryder too. Thank you everyone for tuning in. We'll see you back here next week. Cheers. That was the first time, 7.30 AM.

Monday morning recording. Yeah, it's still Sunday night back home. So, final sign off, cheers That is better than most Better than most. Better than most.