No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 615: Tourist Sauce, Scandinavia

Episode Date: October 26, 2022

Ahead of the release of the first episode of Tourist Sauce, Scandinavia we gather for a lengthy recap of the eighth season of our travel series. From the formation of our itinerary to the logistics of filming across the pond and a thorough review of each course along the trip, this pod will serve as a preview and an audio companion for our video episodes. Catch them each Wednesday at 9pm ET starting October 26. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Lang Up Podcast. Sally here got a long episode for you today recapping our trip to Sweden, Norway and Denmark. This past summer as part of Taurusos season 8. If you are listening to this the day it comes out.

That means TaurusSauce is airing tonight, Wednesday, October 26th, 9 PM Eastern time on our YouTube channel. And there will be subsequent eight total episodes every Wednesday at 9 PM Eastern on our YouTube channel. For every week after that, wanna give a huge shout out to our friends at precision pro for sponsoring yet another season of TaurusSauce. If you're unfamiliar with what that is, it is our travel series. This is our

eighth season of doing it going around the world to different golf locations highlighting the golf scene, the golf culture and just the regular culture around these places. I think this was definitely more of a cultural trip than it was a golf trip. We talk a lot about that on this episode of the podcast, which is meant to complement the video series, doesn't spoil anything really from the video series, which is add some color and have maybe a bit of familiar help add some familiarity to the golf courses and the scene when you go to do watch the episode. So big shout to everyone on our video side DJ Matt golden Austin gearing that have been doing a lot of editing for this season and it's been a grind. It's a bit it's a big project if you can't tell. We are put a lot of pride into this and again, thanks for the precision pro for sponsoring

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Hey guys, greetings, happy to be with you. Big randias here, hello Mr. Big. Hey, good morning. Always a thrill, thank you for having me. Neil is with us in his new setup in Brooklyn, hello, Neil. It's a work in progress up here. Just a big, stored talk for having me on today. Thanks.

And we'll talk about that. And then the TC way, TC logistics, the sponsor of Torres Stas Scandinavia. It's his travel company that brought us all around. He's going to tell us all about it. Mr. Tron Carter, hello TC. Greetings, Sally from Jacksonville. It is gorgeous here.

We have entered the Promised Land, you know, the two months of the year that are just lovely. We are recording this about three weeks in advance of the premiere, the world premiere of Torres Saus. Season eight, we traveled to Scandinavia as many of you are familiar. We're going to talk about how that came together, what to expect in this season. Season 8, we traveled to Scandinavia as many of you are familiar. We're going to talk about how that came together, what to expect in this season, and expand on some thoughts that maybe didn't fit into the videos. We used to do a lot more travel podcasts than we actually tend to do these days.

But these are always a thrill to do, kind of a chance to really debrief on a lot of topics that maybe don't fit into nice little video clips and all that stuff. So it's a supplement. It's not going to spoil anything from the season. Hopefully not. We have obviously a dramatic, dramatic race to the title this year as we have every year. And we won't spoil that within this. So feel free to consider this a supplement to the season. So anything I'm missing, boys. Oh, let's fire it up.

Well, let's do it. That sounds great. Okay. I think that's a very fair Expectation for today who wants to start? Pie man, you are the executive producer of Torosos TC. You are the the the planner if you will if you will of basically everything that we've done who wants to start? Well, I think that's bullshit because I'm the champion of Steven 7 Okay, what do you have anything you'd like to say to kick things off, Neil? What's the key?

I'd like to, I'd like to see my time. I just want to, DJ on the tron. I just want to like to have it asked. I just want to like to have it asked. Thank you. Thank you. TC, please, I think we got to start with the, with the why Scandinavia question. And I think you've, you've kind of taken the lead on, on really whipping the,

whipping the votes for Scandinavia. I remember the presentation vividly up in Denver when, you know, I think it was a, is that really possible? Let me explain to you that it might be possible kind of conversation. So why don't we start there? Yeah, I think I broached it with a couple of you guys like just to heat check myself a little bit. I'm like, I'm not crazy, am I?

Because it was definitely a little bit daunting as far as planning and everything. But so, why skin and avia? How many domestic seasons was that in a row? We did Michigan, Oregon, Pinehurst. Yeah, so three domestic seasons in a row. We wanted to kind of throw a curveball at it, right? And we've been cooped up COVID. We've been cooped up domestically.

And we wanted to get back out into the world and think everybody expected us to go to England, which certainly that would be a good season. But I think we were very keen on adventure, right? And exploring somewhere new. We've been to England. We've been to, you know, we know what the golf is like there. Scandinavia, Sweden in particular. We don't know much about the golf at all. And I think

it's, you know, as you'll see in the season and from listening today, pretty underrated golf culture, nine and a half, 10 million people in Sweden specifically. I think they're far, they're farthest along as far as their golf journey or like golf taking hold in that country versus Norway or Finland or Denmark. But there's about nine and a half 10 million people in Sweden and about 5% of them play golf, which is pretty staggering number considering the short season, how far north they are, all that. So yeah, and then personally, my wife's family is from Sweden.

We still have aunts and uncles there and everything. So had kind of a warm lead there. I've spent some time in Stockholm before, and it's similar where in the summer, when we typically film these, it is very, like the days are very, very long. So that creates a little bit more flexibility. And, you know, again, just wanting to get off course,

wanting to show the adventure, wanting to show the adventure, wanting to get back to, hey, let's take a trip and just, kind of going back to our roots of Torsace season one, of let's go somewhere totally, totally different, and just see where it takes us. Yeah, I totally agree. And I think from an episode perspective,

I mean, we kind of all talked about this together, but I love looking back on like the episodes that we've done. I love when you get very, very golfy, and I love the old course episode where Sali's breaking down the strategy of the third hole, and I love the North Barric episode where we're talking about the whole back nine, but not every course in the world is the old course

or North Barric, right? And I don't like kind of pretending like they are. And so it's, you got to have like the stuff that I think about when I think back on some of my favorite episodes is all piling into the plane, going to Tasmania or getting absolutely just shit faced in Kalarni and some of that stuff. And I think like that's kind of some of the adventure

you're talking about, right? Like let's do some planes trains and automobiles. Let's have some weird pack jobs. Let's find some weird parking spaces. Let's get somewhere where English is not the predominant language. That's a big one. And for Taurus Salford.

First time for that one. First time for that one. And also all of that said, like the golf was still freaking excellent, right? Which is kind of, you know, I think maybe my biggest, my biggest takeaway. Neil, Neil, what would you, what do you have? Where's all, where, where you kind of shake out on all this? I think the word is curiosity when I feel like, you know, I, I remember that moment in last January as well, Dege.

It was almost like you were the Leo meme of, you know, you had my attention on all these other spots that we considered, but now you have my curiosity. And I think that's when, just for the record, when you see the real way around, but, we're all, all right, well, for this, just that.

Well, the point stands, no, the point stands. The point stands for me. It was influenced by that, that's the dare you correct him Well, I think it it's it happens for Randy for I think you and I on strapped like when we go to a place We've never been and you know you're curious about You know, what's it like here both culturally and from a golf perspective? I think that's when the magic happens a little bit and I feel like you know perspective, I think that's when the magic happens a little bit. And I feel like, you know, Scandinavia is a place I've never been, feels far away. And I was very curious about what we were

going to find, which is a great way to start the trip. And it was something to look forward to all of this year, which was an awesome way to kick things off. That said, I don't want to overstate the foreignness of it because everybody there speaks better English than we do. Yeah, no, it's right in that sweet spot where you feel like you're out of your comfort zone with without really any risk of being outside your comfort zone. That's kind of what we're looking for. I'll push back a little bit on that because I felt like I felt the same amount of excitement when before we went to Australia, but Australia felt like San Diego, a little much more so

than Sweden and Norway and Australia felt like San Diego, a little much more so than Sweden and Norway and Denmark felt like the US, right? So very different culturally, whereas someplace like Australia, which is a lot farther away, felt much similar to where we're from, except we're driving on the other side of the road, the toilets are going backwards,

those little flourishes. There's kangaroos, of course. Hopping around. And wallabies. And I think the season is just more of a, for one to start. I was skeptical before the presentation really last year. I was, because I wanted to go to England.

I think it's the greatest volume of golf courses, of great golf courses, probably anywhere in the world. I mean, it's just astronomical, the amount of incredible golf there is in England. We've never really done any video work there. But there's also that seems that's also like a little bit predictable, I think, like you kind of have an idea of what it's like and I did not know what golf in Sweden was like. And yet, how many Swedes are there that we see in professional golf on both the men's and women's side?

We have Victor Hovland coming from Norway. We have how many Danes have come out, you know, over the years and like trying to understand that why there's so many exports out of Scandinavia compared to the population coming from that climate was I thought like a big task that we had to, or I wanted the answer to that. I wanted to understand that a little bit better.

I wanted to see what their golf courses were like, see what that culture is like. And this season though had more of a mix of a European vacation with golf as a through line. It was more like, I likened it to, when I lived in Europe, I always came across these, like, not biker gangs, but these bike trips, people that would bike from spot to spot,

and maybe they would shuttle from different cities and whatnot. But the biking was their through line to seeing Europe. And on this trip, golf was our through line into seeing this part of the world. It was not as much of a golf trip as it was. Like that was an activity we did most of the days. Rainy, I feel like that's got to resonate with you and what you're looking for. For sure. Yeah. And I think I'm firmly in the camp that Neal spelled out. Personally speaking, I don't think I had been anywhere where English was not the dominant language in gosh. Over 15 years. So from a, from a very personal standpoint, it was exciting, right?

Getting to travel somewhere new and the curiosity and, and the freshness of it all right, seeing and experiencing things for the very first time, getting a real thrill out of that. And then yeah, on the golf side, just okay, what's it, what's it going to be about going in with almost no expectations, right? I didn't want to, kind of like we do on any trip, certainly places. I haven't been courses I haven't played. I try not to do too much research or look at too many pictures because I just want to experience it for the first time in the moment. And it was a whole trip of that. And yeah, DJ to your point, it was, I love it. So this was this was a tremendous trip. We'll get into all the reasons why, but great

selection. I'm glad we did it. And I would shout out TC on that point specifically, Randy, because I feel the same way. I like to experience it the first time, instead of doing a ton of research. But Tron puts together these production guides, which gives a very three to five sentences on where we're going, what the theme of the day is, what we're up to,

which gives me a good base of knowledge to like, what I need to look out for. What am I trying to uncover here on this trip? And that comes into handy on a two week trip, comes in handy on a trip like this because it's two weeks and sometimes you can start to get a little rundown. So those guides are huge for me, TC.. Well good. I think from a planning perspective we

The first thing I did was reach out to Jacob Schoeman Swedish photographer drone videographer known the world over in golf circles. He was Exceptionally helpful in putting all this together. I think the line that you had I think it's in the first episode full in putting all this together. I think the line that you had, I think it's in the first episode. But of the top 30 courses in Sweden or Scandinavia, I think he basically works with 28 of them in like an official capacity. So as you said, very good guy to know on the Scandinavia trip. Yes.

And just a great guy in general too. And a lot of people you've probably seen his work. Honestly, even if you don't know his name, like you've seen it floating around Instagram and Twitter and stuff. He's just amazing and also just how overall intimidating it is and for all the listeners listen to this like these words Probably mean nothing to you at this point unless you're part of this you know part of this from this part of the world Brohoff slot vis-by Christian Stod great Northern Falscher bow bar sebac feel baka Lufton links like great Northern, Falscherbow, Barsebeck, Fielbaka, Lufton Lynx. What are the chances that you know anything about those golf courses, right? So we're starting from scratch trying to figure out where

we should go in this part of the world. And to Neil's point on the production guide stuff too, it's like, I mean, we, how could we even differentiate between these two courses that these words, you know, even if I've never been to, I don't know, Swinley Forest in London, like I have some kind of idea of what that is like. Yet none of these places that I have any it, could I have pictured one single hole on? And I don't think we've ever gone into a season

that blind before in terms of what we were, what we were gonna get around the corner. Yeah, I think, and shout out to my wife's uncle, Pear, as well, he was very helpful, very good player, played on the Nordic tour for a couple of years, and he's played most of these golf courses. He lives in Naples, but he also has a place in Sweden. Yeah, I think that was the toughest part for me.

It's like, top 100 golf is super, super helpful as I'm putting this stuff together. I kind of start with a list of like 70 or 80 courses, just look at like Google Earth and top 100 golf and figure out kind of like whittle it down from there. Those are some of my favorite conversations, I think. It's just like, oh, hey, try what's up? Like what would you do last night?

Oh, yeah, I just kind of drunk and looked at every golf course in Oregon on Google Maps. It's like, oh, awesome. And he's done that for every one of these seasons. It's very comprehensive process. You'd be shocked at how many courses like don't show up on rankings lists or. Totally.

That's my biggest compliment, I think, to the schedule. I feel like we've said this every season now is that list of courses that you're gonna see and that we're gonna talk about and then we're gonna make videos about is truly, I think, reflective of all the places we went, right? So it's the tip top premiere experience at Brohoff's lot. It's the neighborhood almost kind of a muni type feel at a place like Phil Baca. It's far off. It's, you know, kind of normal country club golf. It's just, it's really, really cool. And so I have a big compliment to T.C. on

on that one as well. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like we could easily just go down the top 10 on the list. And just and we're not going to get a lot of riot. If we do that, we're going to be playing a lot of quote unquote championship golf courses, all of that. And we're going to be missing all the soul of Swedish golf. I think going back to the other thing that was really, really difficult was, all right, how much time do we spend in Denmark? How much time do we spend in Norway? How much time do we spend in Finland? We tried to make Finland happen. We tried to go over to the Oland Islands

that did not work out. We were there in July and early August. So basically everybody takes July off. A lot of people take July off in Sweden and it's kind of like vacation time. So everybody, like all the places, like all the hotels like vacation time. So, you know, everybody, like all the places, like all the hotels, all the cabins, all the cottages, it, you know, a lot of these places are packed already. So we didn't end up going to Finland. So

apologies to the Finns, which I will say taking off the month of July was a, that was a key learning, a key takeaway for me for, from this trip. Yes. What is it? Week, week 26. They they go by like we were there week 30, which was when all the all the over 30s go out to to Vesby. So I think Randy was was pretty turned up for for that ferry ride. Randy, I could get into that for next year. Maybe maybe you and I can come up with some week. Yeah. For next year. I love.

So we played once in Denmark, kind of cross Denmark. I was dead. Golf's a little bit more nascent in Denmark. And a lot of the good golf is out or they're west from Copenhagen. And then we're, and then we played one round in Norway. We were going to play Oslo Golf Club as well. But we couldn't make the dates work there.

So most of it is centered on Sweden. But I think most of Scandinavian golf is Swedish as well. Like they're kind of the farthest along. They're 20 or 30 years ahead of the rest of Scandinavia as far as golf goes. And I guess Iceland is also technically a part of Scandinavia as well. And there's some cool golf in Iceland. It's all you just got back from there. Yeah. We are going to be doing some film work in Iceland at some point. That I promise. And I'll take the lead on that because it's outrageous. I mean, the courses are probably not great, honestly, but they're...

We'll talk... It's probably decently similar to Loof10Links, which we'll talk about in terms of just rockiness that golf doesn't seem to make sense here, but there's actually some really good terrain and looks like a lot of space to build some golf courses in Iceland if anybody's interested in that. GC just just to get ahead of it before we dive in any proverbial old head situation. You want to get out in front of. Yeah, old. Those that are not familiar, we did not play old head when we went to Ireland in 2019 and got just an

endless amount of shit for it and no old head question mark has been a running joke for several years. But I know we have a lot of new listeners. So in case you don't remember that from three years ago. Yeah, and it's kind of a philosophical divide as well. I'm like, yeah, old-head looks like a great place to walk around. Do I need to go play golf there? Not really. I would say Olna, which is like a, it's a, it's a Nicholas course.

They've had the Soulheim Cup there. They've done a few other things there. It was kind of like one of the grand aims of Stockholm golf. We played Brewhoffs, so instead, that's really like PGA, Sweden down in kind of the South there. We skipped that. There's a few places kind of in the central part of the country. We didn't do much in the central part of the country,

but I think we hit all the ones that, that like made the most sense. And we'll talk about Christian Stodds. I'm super glad that that Sali, Cody, and Ben went and played there as well. Because that was one that they've done a lot of work over the last few years. And I think that's, that one's probably rising

more rapidly in the rankings than just about any course in the world right now. So, but yeah, really before we get into it, I think the other thing on the planning side for me was just how easy it was to plan once we got down to it with when Scandinavians tell you they're going to do something, like they're going to, they do it, they follow through, there's no, there's no, you know, gray area or wish you washingness. Like when they're timely, they're organized, they're direct. So all of that was made it easier. So we flew into Stockholm.

We all took varying routes to get there. Randy Neal Cody, I think Randy Neal Cody went Delta direct from New York into Stockholm. JFK. Ben was on vacation in Italy with his wife. So he flew in from Venice or Milan. And then, Sally, DJ, and I came united. Sally and I came through the Northeast, other Newark or I think Newark.

And then DJ, medicine, Newark, but then went through Switzerland. We went through Germany. I was very nervous. There was a lot of, this whole summer was just full of lost bag catastrophes. And I was trying to avoid that Amsterdam, you know, shipple nightmare. So it's all I know offense to your to your former neighbors, but it just didn't, it seemed like a tough tough. Some people might wonder why we all fly different itineraries.

Neil actually instituted a new policy that we're not allowed to all be on the same flight. So, so that's what we're trying to abide by. Yeah. Yeah. So we avoided London Heathrow and Schuppel like the plague. We did that. DJ and Sully have arrived well rested as well. Whereas I think, you know, Neil Randy, they had kind of a long layover bad skyclub experience in JFK, right? They were, they were offered warm beers.

No, none of that's true. You know, warm beer thing, true. That's very true. It's the warm beer thing is true. I got you. I have the record about that. Yeah. The I attended off for me a warm beer. And I said, that's not going to work for me. They got it cold and then offered the same beer to Randy a couple See yeah, yeah, you're see behind me offered Randy the same same warm beer and me like like I knew he would

He said that ain't good enough. I'm not we're not doing that on this overnight We're doing cold. So I think I think if we had any any issues It was that like our ice cream sundaes were too cold the meals on the flat I'm pretty simple eater like it was too fancy for me really and in in Polaris One or whatever it's called we got to use TC's well-earned upgrades from you know He's flying through Houston 38 45 times a year and he gets incredible status on United so much that he's got premier points to just share and give out and frankly by my silence on any related travel issues because it was very nice to sit in extremely upgraded

travel cabin. It's a fly across the Atlantic. Unrelated to the airlines themselves. I think Randy had one of the travel hacks I've best I've seen this year. What's the Shia Tsubasa? You brought with you. Randy, that was good stuff. That's that out to our friend Ben. Yeah. Packed the Shia Tsubasa. Was awesome on the plane. Got me through the international flight and then enjoyed it in the car ride. It's going around Scandinavia. It was fantastic. Yes. I got some time in with that thing on a couple of long drives. It's great. And I will say this is probably, well, since Australia, the first, well, I guess you guys

in Scotland, we, in Ireland, we had like, you know, we were on a bus. We kind of had a tour, a bit of a tour guide situation, whereas this was, we're on our own, all over Scandinavia, which was a, again, like it complicates things, but it also, I think leads to a very, a lot more, you know, serendipitous stuff, which is good. But you got to take care of yourself on those car rides. Yeah, Randy, I've been listening to the chapter a lot. Is that the same massage you're using in the chest stuff you guys were talking about? Or is it different? Great question, DJ. And I appreciate you making that comparison. It's actually a slightly

different one. Okay. So we fly into our Stockholm, our land airport, which is, in my opinion, kind of a shithole, yes, it's fine. It's not a good airport. It's fine. All right. Let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let northwest of the city. And then we picked up the cars. BMW gave us three vehicles. We had 2X3s and an X5. So plenty of room for the was it seven of us total. We checked it. We stayed at the Mornington Hotel in Ooster Maum, kind of on the northeast side of downtown Stockholm, right in the city center. Great little hotel. Really nice. You know, we're doing the whole bit of we were in Riyadh or King Abdullah economic city and shadow.

I posted that on my Instagram and you would not believe how many bites. I posted a picture of our hotel room and just said, finally made a King Abdullah economic city. This is like peak, live is just popping off at its absolute peak at this point. And the amount of bite, if you fell for that, you should be embarrassed.

Like you should be totally and completely embarrassed for anyone that fell for that. We are not ruling out season nine in the Middle East. Right. If the money comes to keeping all lots of dope. Yeah. A shout out to our friends at original Penguin if you remember they were our sponsor for season five of Taurus sauce and continue to support the series providing a lot of clothing where that you will see when you go check it out on our YouTube channel starting this Wednesday

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It's a fantastic deal. Again, originalpenguin.com code NLU for 20% off site wide. Let's get back to the pod. First course of the trip was Stockholm golf club. We figured we would start things out with a hairy cult design. It's reachable via the subway. In fact, a couple of us took the subway. Christian London is doing a kind of a restoration slash renovation of the place ongoing, kind of a fantastic neighborhood course that they're really polishing off. So DJ, you want to take us there?

Yeah, it was exactly that. It was kind of, you know, listening back to some of the voiceover stuff, Randy, I thought you made some great points about, you know, I kind of love that vibe where you are a city kind of grows up around golf course. I always think that's a really cool aesthetic. I think LACC is kind of comparable to that in Los Angeles. Stockholm Golf Club was kind of a smaller version of that. I also love this bit too, where they do this outside the US, but where a club, quote unquote, is a true club. It's not synonymous with course. Stockholm Golf Club was founded in 1904, but they had like four

venues before they actually settled on this place where they're at now, which was laid out in 1932 by John Morrison, predominantly, who was Harry Colts design partners. I don't know how much time Harry Colts actually spent there, but obviously a lot of the same vision, a lot of the same style by John Morrison. Quick parenthetical side note, Harry Colts awesome. Every time I play one of his golf courses, I'm like, oh god, this is so much different than a lot of this other golden age stuff. A lot of just quirky, weird, kind of bold. Just the more you can seek out any of his or his teams stuff, I think, the better. But big, big dick player.

Yeah. Well said. Well said. As you mentioned, Christian London, who we were fortunate to to spend some time with, there's nothing better. I think back on like the day at Kingsley Club or band and trails, but anytime you can walk around with an architect who can kind of explain to you, like, here's what I'm thinking here. Here's why this bunker's here, this T-Box didn't used to be here. All that kind of stuff obviously is like the 401 class to to playing any of these places and Christian London was very generous to come out and see us and explain a lot of the work that he's doing out there. It's a lot of kind of a lot of the standard restoration stuff, you know, new, you know, removing trees and bringing back old tee boxes and a lot of that stuff. But the main thing, I think kind of the thing that shines the most is all the bunker work that they did out there trying to really recreate a lot of these old hairy cult kind of Tom Simpson,

like English, Heathland style, bunkering, which was really, really cool. It was fascinating to hear him talk about how he researches that style and just flipping through Tom Simpson books and seeing random bunkers from courses in England and trying to kind of recreate them on this place at Sockham Golf Club was really cool. And also interesting kind of for a granomy nerds, but hearing how how he, like how much work it was to actually create the bunker edges and the way that they actually got the style that they did there because the grass types are so different and the growing season is so short and all of those things, I was really appreciative to hear a lot of that from Christian because a lot of that style you see in the United States or elsewhere is

done on a lot of like sandy sites or warmer climates and he was kind of explaining the difference between you know when Gil Hans has a place like a Hoopy Match Club like this is it's very different to make these these kind of like sharp edged bunkers than it is at a place in Stockholm that's you know basically the same latitude as Anchorage, Alaska. Right, and it's just a very, very different type of grass. So it was really cool. As far as the actual golf course, I think it was super rugged in a really great way.

Some of that was because it's still, it was kind of mid-restoration renovation still. So in a cool way, I weirdly love how the drone stuff looks. It's got kind of these like Frankenstein scars all over the place with all the drainage is kind of still growing in, but in a weird way, I think it looks really cool. Neil, I have all this footage kind of top of mind because I'm editing this episode right now, but I know you were kind of in the same boat on on some of the aesthetic stuff. Yeah, I think TC called it out to,

he reminded us of the East Bay in California, and I think he nailed it, DJ, with the city kind of growing up around it. I think there's a lot of courses in the East Bay where that's happened, and it was a lot hilar than I expected it to be. I also think it was a good first course we played and some theme showed up immediately that I saw later on in the trip. Skin and avia and Sweden

specifically take their par five seriously and they want them to be three shot par five. That's the 10th hole we were we were on for like 50 minutes and playing that whole truly any means necessary to make these three shot parfives. And I really, really like number 17, which is a par five back into this little pocket of the course surrounded by some houses, but a really cool green with a, you know, kind of, I could say diet lions mouth bunker, but I really just love the feel of that hole

and the par five is really stuck out to me. Our first look, there's a big, big lake on the back nine. With, I think the Royal Family had a summer home back there, and so that was an unbelievable setting where you're like, oh, this is a course in the middle of Stockholm, but hey, check it out, over here in the backyard, there's just some, you know, some sion summer homes. Just in case you were into that kind of thing.

And I think throughout the trip, just epic bodies of water. A lot of these courses that we played were featuring like water features, both manmade and just natural were features of Scandinavian golf. And I think we got a taste of that at Stockholm. You guys put hickories, right? We did play hickories. We put a hickory match, a continuation of a series of matches that you'll hear all about in episode one. But yeah, I'm with you, Neil. It was one of the, this was a bit of a theme, I feel like. There were a

couple of places that you couldn't quite pin down geographically, but this was probably the weirdest one or the most notes of different places, right? Where you had like, it felt very northern California to me. It felt very Boston with a lot of the like rock outcroppings, Tron, or minding me a little bit of like some of the George Wright stuff that we saw or the Brookline stuff. But then you get out up around that was kind of like 13, 14, 15 up on that high point back by the lake there, Neil. And it almost feels like northern Minnesota or something.

And it's just, yeah, it was very like confusing geography, but in a really cool way. So it was kind of unlike anything I'd seen in that regard. So very good part three, some brawny part fours, too, like that second and third part four on the front just, oh my god, I was like, I could go back there tomorrow and play that course every day. And I would shout out maybe maybe my favorite finishing stretch on the trip. I thought 16 was a really cool part three that was kind of you mentioned the part three is just kind of benched right into the side of the hill like really cool green sites that they found there. 17 was an awesome uphill

part five. You know like you said that goes back into the corner and then 18, just like a very, very classic back to the clubhouse, great bunkering, beautiful approach shot as kind of people are sitting up on that deck, having a drink or something. It was just really, really great finish. I think it's important to note to the, you know, some Taurus sauce courses are like true bucket list courses. And then I also really enjoy seeing like the, here's where the quote, here's work, the quote,

here's where normal people play golf courses in a city, right? And this was accessible by subway. And like a legitimately like a Positimpo light golf course. I mean, it was, had a lot of those elements, a lot of those visual concepts to it. Like that was the kind of the thought that went through my head playing it. It's, I want to be clear, it is not positive, TFO, that is a course that I think we all hold very, very, very high up on our list. But the, it fits in that category so well, and it's very cool. Somebody DM me recently saying, like, where should I go play in Stockholm? Like, this is super easy.

We get a lot of questions about recommendations, and we don't reply to a lot of them, because it's really hard to be your, your travel planner. But it's a very easy recommendation to say, if you find yourself in Stockholm, wanna play golf, you can literally jump on the subway and go to this golf course. And it is definitely, definitely, definitely worth your time.

And it's funny, it's known as like a posh, like, you know, kind of exclusive club. I think, like, and this is a theme of Scandinavian general, like, they don't pay a lot of money to play golf or join a golf club. And it's not very like private, doesn't mean private. Right. And I think the subway thing can be a gimmick, right?

And when people try to force it in certain places, but I mean, Randy and and Sala, you guys actually did it. I mean, it's from the city center, it was what a 15 minute subway ride and a five, six, seven minute walk like that. It's very accessible. It's not not a gimmick. Also interesting because we were up early that morning. I was one of the people that did drove to the course and I think the only people we saw,

it was the whole city's on vacation. I think the only people we saw on that Saturday or Sunday morning were people with their trolleys out and golf bags ready to go play golf. So like two or three people just coming out of their flat ready to go. So that's good stuff. But I think it's also worth talking about these, these cities and these cultures are not designed around cars the same way that ours is. And like when I lived in a big major European city and I never wanted a car for a second,

like you just don't want cars, like it's just not the way of life. And so to have something that's very accessible in that way is integral for a city golf course. And I think the last thing kind of on the Stockholm Golf Club, and it's kind of a larger theme as well, but we had a really good conversation with Christian too about kind of a bridged history of Swedish and Scandinavian golf too, right? And it's a very similar story to what happened in the US,

just maybe shifted by a couple decades, right? Their big massive golf boom was kind of in the 70s and 80s, rather than the 50s and 60s. And now they're kind of just starting that process of going in with people like Christian or Pierre Fulke who's a Swedish former European tour player now has turned into an architect, almost like a Jeff Ogleby model. They're now starting to undo a lot of this bad work and fix up a lot of these places that

are on great sites, but maybe weren't quite built, you know, with the right construction chops or the right design chops. And so it's just kind of, it's kind of cool to see that same story play out just maybe shifted by a couple decades. One last theme too, and this carries on throughout the entire thing, is the clubhouse food. Is somehow like unbelievable. There's like one guy in the back making it and it's it's unbelievable. It's like a you know all-star jack of all trades little cook in the back that's just turning out exceptional. The Swedish Meatballs at Stockholm Golf Club or that was that was a hit. That was a yeah a tone setter a big tone setter for for the clubhouse food we would eat on the rest of the trip. Yeah, last thing, Deja, you said is a good segue into Ruhoff's flute.

TCM, I pronounce it that correctly. You are. Ruhoff's do. I think any of this stuff, you got to just pronounce it with confidence. You know, if you just, if you just go for it, hit the hole. It's not a, it's not where I excel. So we're just going to leave that there. You're going to get blown up in the A gap, Neil. If you, if you have any hesitation.

I think it's different. For an unceasing every time we say it too. I thought it was brohawk. You have to, yeah. Up until now. We could always just go with VHS, man. You are the brohawk slots. Why don't you take us there, Neil?

The brohawk flute. Slude. 36 hole facility located, I think, North, West of town. Or just outside, probably an hour, hour and a half drive from from downtown where we were staying. Stunning Castle Clubhouse, great practice facility. This is the, you know, the grand Dame as T.C. said earlier of Swedish golf. It was kind of on the list of you, you know, you got to go see it, you got to go play there.

There's two courses, the stadium course, which we played, the castle course. I also wanna shout out the RV golf culture in Sweden. When we showed up, there is an RV park right out in front of the gates to this amazing castle, and they were having a tournament on the castle course. So it's, I think people just, you know, deep in the RV seeing going all over Sweden, and there's a lot

of like golf tournaments for that subculture of golf, which was an interesting one. And a good juxtaposition, just the RVs and the castle. But it's been ranked number one in Sweden since 2007. There's a quote on their website that I think sums it up, quote, the holes are longer, the greens are bigger, the course has more water, and the bunkers are larger and well placed, besides which the wind is always part of the game. That quote is from Robert Trent Jones Jr.

The designer of this course. And I think it kind of sets it up as this was the import of American golf to Sweden. And kind of what Christian was saying, like, there's, it seems like there's a homegrown golf course architecture. There's some momentum there, and I hope it continues. But this Bruhoffs flute was exactly what it was advertised as. Challenging, Bronnie, Parkland Golf Course,

routed next to a massive lake, plays 8,000 plus yards from the tips. We did not play it from the tips, but it was still you know, plenty of golf course for us. And it was just kind of that import of American golf. I can see in the you know, 80s and 90s of like, this is what this is what they're doing in America. This is what we should do here. And so that's what it's branded as. And I think it accomplishes that that goal. It's in fantastic shape. It feels like all the, you know, the drainage, the infrastructure,

the course is built properly. It looks great. It looks very, very green. It plays really long, and I think the overarching theme for me was, and this may not be my type of golf, but the challenge to it is very in front of you, very obvious. There were a lot of shots where like water all down the left, you cannot miss left. I know what the issue is, if I miss the shot, I know exactly right it when I hit it that like, okay, this is gonna be a bad hole. Where there's a lot of other golf courses

we played on this trip or just, of course, as I tend to like is you don't realize that you messed up until you get up to your ball or you walk off the green and you're like, man, I thought I hit, you know, I missed my target by 10 feet, 15 feet, now I have a double bogey. I find that kind of subtle challenge a little bit more interesting stimulating and I think this was just much more like, can you hit the shot? Can you not hit the shot? And that kind of adds up when you think about this being a stop on the

DP World Tour. They play a lot of high level amateur professional events at this course. And so it is probably one of the hardest courses in Sweden and I understand why it's number one. And so for that, it accomplishes the goal that was kind of set out for it. But I don't know. Do you guys feel the same way? I remember Neil talking, talking after the round to you. First of all, I think the big takeaway you hit on it is just like, oh, this was this, they're supposed to have a rider cup

here. Like this is, this is a rider cup place. There's tons of space. It's, you know, places to put tents. It's fairly kind of unimaginative type of golf. It felt like Hazel team. It did feel like Hazeltein. It did. It felt like Hazeltein. And I remember talking to you, Neil, after we both walked off, it reminded me weirdly of when you go through the customs line at the airport.

And it's just, they're asking you a very straightforward questions, just like, why are you here? Where did you come from? And you just fucking freak out. You know, it's just, it's well, it's okay. It's a golf trip, but it's like, it's not really for work. Uh, well, I work in golf, but this is, this is a summer thing for us. I don't know what's the camera for. Uh, you just take some pictures. Yeah. And it was kind of that, like, there was no tricks to it. And you just all of a sudden

you're like, Oh, God, I'm, I'm 22 over par through, uh, you know, through 12 holes here. Like what's, what's going on? I remember Randy, there was a big, big long par five. Yeah, number 13. It's a mere image of Bay Hill number five. Like it's just, it's like, it's truly like Robert Trent Jones, like, oh, you guys want some American golf? And check this shit out.

And Randy, Randy is just navigating his way up the hang and just, he's like, fuck this man. This is awful. What are we doing here? And this is after we went by the halfway house and just gorgeed ourself on waffles. They think these unbelievable waffles at the halfway house with all sorts of fresh whipped cream and preserves

and all this stuff. And then we're playing with Willie Shomen who's like the one of their big broadcasters in Sweden. And he's like, yeah, like you guys are about to get kicked in the face these next like six holes. I like and Bruhoff Slut or however you say it to say like everyone pick a meal at a restaurant that you just like wouldn't order, right? Like for me, like, it's not the wheel, right?

Yeah, I just want, I'm never going to order the wheel. Like, that's just not what I prefer. But like, if I was served the wheel and I ate it, I'd be like, wow, that was actually like, that was, that was pretty good for real. For like, not what I ordered. Like, it still is pretty good. I liked brohoffs lot more than I thought I would, being extremely well aware that this is not

like my favorite style of golf course and not like what I traveled to go experience in a different country. Yet found, by the way, it was very pure and I found the greens very interesting in terms of, it encouraged you to be very aggressive because there were so many humps and bumps and quadrants and spines in the middle of the greens that it wasn't like, oh, if you bail out here,

you're also going to carry down a ridge to a different part of the green that's going to be like a 50-foot putt. It's not like a simple 25-footer you're leaving yourself here. And I found that part of the challenge to be quite enjoyable. Again, not like what is, I'm screaming, I'm demanding when I see, when the menu comes out, it's not what I look for, when I get the menu, but I thought it accomplished what it was trying to accomplish. And I don't want to dump too hard on bro Hustle. For sure.

I think the weirdest disconnect for me was, you know, sticking with your menu analogy was just walking off and be like, yeah, yeah, like that's your American. Like that's what you like, man. And it's just, it would be like if we showed up, like that's your American. Like that's what you like, man. And it's just, it would be like if we showed up, you know, and they're like, oh, you guys are from America. We brought, you know, here's a six pound cheeseburger and some French fries. This is what you guys like, right? A big hunk, like, you know, pot roast or like barbecue from Austin, Texas.

Like, no, no, I came, I want the fish, guys. Like, I want, you know, what do you guys do locally? Like, that's kind of, you know, but, you guys do locally? Like that's kind of you know, but but Tally I agree with you completely like it, it's setting out to do, you know, bronny American golf and I think it does it well. I was going to say, yeah, do that and do it bad too, right? There's, there's, there's, yeah, there's fun, interesting quirky golf is one category. And there's like championship golf and then in the championship golf category,

there's bad and there's like good. And I would put the championship golf category, there's bad. And there's like, good. And I would put this in the good department. It didn't inspire anything within me, but I think overall good. It was catch based in Naysh, of course, out there. But there was some good there. Well, T.C., it reminded me a ton of grand national in Alabama, right, on the Robert Trent Jones Trail.

And it's like, I can go to Alabama to play that, right? But like, yeah, it's still like, it's doing it, it's doing it right. Like that's a, you know, almost a, it is what it's supposed to be. I think you guys have it nailed. I would say big points, the clubhouse is literally a castle

from the late 19th century, which is very cool. So Slut means castle and Swedish. Yes, the points I want to make are it was in fantastic condition. It was a very cool, unique setting for the golf course. And I personally, I judge golf courses. Like when I walk off 18, is like, did I enjoy playing golf here? And my answer is no at BHS because it just exposes every

weakness of my game, which to your guys' points, like that's exactly what it's trying to do. So you tip your hat and, you know, I tell myself, remind myself, like, you're not a very good golfer. But just in juxtaposition with Stockholm Golf Club, like that's of course I walk off and I'm like, man, that's a lot of fun. I hit some bad shots, but I'm not gonna be

deathly punished for it. You get some fun recovery shots. So when I like about golf, I would go play Stockholm Golf Club instead of Brohoff's loop, which I think there's a definite disconnect between like the rankings and that, right? Where like because this is like the effect, which is in America as

well. Number one ranked golf course in Sweden since like the early 2000s. Yeah, you know, for 20 years. But also like there's some really good broni. Like you said, you know, par five's out there. The finishing stretch is really fun. That like kind of peninsula green. And then the, yeah, the little, uh, par five along the lake, it is a stunning hole. But like, you know, punish it's just water completely down the left side, playing out into this, like jagged peninsula elevated green that sits out

in the lake. And it's just like, it's just a massive challenge. It's an execution challenge of like, yo, can you flight an iron to a 15 yard wide green in the wind? Like, ah, you know, maybe like 30% of the time I can. You know, otherwise it's like, I'll just take double and go. There's so many awkward layups out there too. Yeah. Like you didn't know where to lay up to out there. And then Neil, my highlight of the day was you on 18. Hell yeah.

Just will he's like, you should go for it. No, no spoiler. We'll let that one speak for itself. But another classic, you know, Robert Trent Jones, junior like, you all want wanna see some American shit? 17s at Island Green, right? Like, yeah, come check this out. You know, it's like, there was some template vibes

of like modern American, brawny golf courses out there. You got Bay Hill, you got Stadium Course. I saw a couple of Part Three's that reminded me of Mirfield Village on the front. Like, you know, there's just a, this is what you guys see on TV in America. Let's import it here. Yeah, not to, not to be a, you know, a snob, but not a lot of, I don't think they found a lot of holes

out there. I think they made a lot of holes out there. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that's some people like that. But I'm with Iranians. She's not, not my cup of tea. We also caught it on kind of a gray day too. The castle course looks sick. Yeah, it was also a little bit disconcerting like like going out there and seeing all these RVs.

You know, like the by far the most expensive course in the entire country. It's like $225 to play. So whatever the equivalent. Yeah, but I would love to embed with the RV golfers. Oh, I know. Interesting juxtaposition. Awesome. Yeah. bed with the RV golfers. Oh, I know. Interesting juxtaposition. Awesome.

It's out there. And very quickly, bang in clubhouse food as well. Yes. After, you know, BHS, we had a wonderful night in the archipelago. And then we made our way south down the coast, took a car ferry, which was a highlight of the trip for me over to the island of Gotland Where you get got where you pick up if you were a Viking where you pick up a a boat captain a mercenary to go pillage across the Baltic Sea Lot of history and if you're over 30 big week for big week for the over 30s as well That's right pick up something else. It was, uh, and we ended up in the town of

vis-b. Uh, Tron, why don't you take us to vis-b? Yeah. This was, I think vis-b was by far my favorite course of the trip. We went down to, what was that Nina's home? To take a ferry out. The ferry's delightful. You know, big was reading. Took a snooze. We did some stuff up on the top deck, did some interview stuff up on the top deck. Yeah, then it kind of probably 20, 25 minute drive down to the golf course. And we stayed in some, a few of us glamped on the beach at the surf lodge.

And then a few others were down the street at the Tofda Garden Hotel, which we had dinner that night. And it was like a, it felt like we were like Manhattan Beach or the Hamptons. The service staff was exponentially cooler than I will ever be. The sun's setting, they're wearing sunglasses to fight because their future's so bright, they're just whipping up these gin and tonics and it was a vibe out there at the 12th of each most. I don't throw this word around lightly.

I know it's a woefully overused word. It's the coolest restaurant I've ever been doing in life. Yes. It's like period point blank. We were not the coolest, but the restaurants. No, no, no, no, no. It was almost intimidatingly cool. Well, no, it's the kind of place that you would,

you would truly stand in a line for four hours to get into here in the US, you know, and, and, and then you would be like standing like shoulder to shoulder with people. It was like, oh my God, I actually get to experience something this cool without feeling like I don't belong here, which was awesome. And gin and tonics were a big theme of the trip. I think we had some great gin and tonics the first night when we got to Stockholm and it just continued on.

But as cool as that restaurant was and the whole glamping experience and everything, the golf course was even cooler. That place, that's up there for me as far as like, and I know Randy feels the same. Like that's a place where I could go play every day for the rest of my life and be happy. And we were there, we tee off. We see Alex Noren rolling around on his golf cart with his, with his, I think it was the US Open Callaway bag that they did. He rolls out, we're like, oh my God, Noren's here.

Don't know, he rolls out. He kicks all his ass. He rolls up to us on like 15 or 16 T puts his hand out and we're like, oh, dude, let's go grab a beer afterwards. Oh, he didn't say that. Yeah. I heard you've been talking shit. I know you. Why you've been acting so messed up to me? It's a problem.

It's a problem, dog. I do want, I think it is time for you guys to apologize because when we did bring up the OWGR discussion with Norton and I simplified. Here's exactly what I think the OWGR's overrated European players. You unfortunately have been kind of the poster boy for that because of Anna Heary and the only one, but your name has come up a lot and is given off the impression that I hate you for some reason. And is responsible that was.

Yeah, you're right. The OWG are a point. So that will be it. I am officially resting my case When it comes to Alex Norden couldn't have been more delightful person, which I think I've maintained from day one This is never about Mr. Noren, but I'm glad we could find some very common ground that he agreed that he was an overrated player at one point in the world Which is gosh I thought this would feel way better than it does. I really did. It was just too painful to get here. Two peaks for me in the Norton discourse over the last five years would be

obviously this stunning conclusion on the island of Gotland did not see that coming. And the previous highlight for me at Neil, I know it is for you as well as what we're out at the Phoenix Open. And we're inside the ropes on the 16th hole and these great guys from Minnesota are in the front row just blowing Sully up for like four straight hours. And they had the high ground. They're like 10 feet up.

Let's break down on Sully. Hey, Sully, what's your norin' tank? What was that, norin' tank, Sully? Just a little bit more wetless. It went on for like three to half minutes. Oh, it was so good. It was so good. Norent was such a, he had his kids out there on the putting green. He was such a gentleman.

I was told he's such a gentleman. He spends weeks every summer out there. I guess his whole family bought houses out there. And it's just the coolest island. And then you get to this. But wait, on that front, remember, remember when he left, he was a reserve for the Open Championship. And on the Tuesday of February, to Barakuda, because he got in there. And we were like, what is he, he would have got in the open. Like, what are you thinking, man? We were, I was definitely questioning what he was thinking.

And we asked about it. He's like, yeah, I mean, otherwise I was going to have to go play like Detroit or something else. And I really wanted to vacation here, those two weeks, I wasn't playing Barrett. He literally was like, he was like, look around. Like, well, I wouldn't I just like, I want to be here as much as I can. Like, yeah, I mean, playing the open scrape, but like, I got to play somewhere that week. So I had to take the shirt thing. And then yeah, like you say, finished, finished second. And then was able to take those weeks off in vacation and on Gotten. You know, Steve Aoki's playing down the street. I mean, it's like the coolest place in the world. And then we've even talked about the golf course yet. It's, it's insane. And

it like, it's like a little bit out of, it was built like the 50s, early 60s, and then they kind of kept adding onto it. Pure focus, been doing work on it now. They've got this unbelievable greenskeeper, petter, and then glad. It feels like it's part out of like the sand belt, you know, part out of, you know, England, and then part like on Mars.

I just, it's crazy. I don't know where it's from. I don't know where it's from. It's at links, is it heathlin't he flin is it. Well, they've got like the flash face bunkers. So it's firm. You know, it plays very firm and plays like you play is very he flinty. And it's it's a very unique setting as far as the the geology of the place. Like they can't really figure out where the island came from because it doesn't match up geologically talking to Pierre about that. It doesn't really match up like with anything else in the Baltic.

So they think it kind of like fell off of Pangaea. And then when everything moved around, it was just kind of this little orphan and it somehow ended up in the middle of the Baltic. It stays warmer there year round because it's surrounded by, you know, this large mass of water, flash like, kind of face bunkers that greens roll right into. In a place where it's got really cool bones, but they're not too proud to rethink holes and constantly improve it and constantly,

it's tight, it's, you know, it's lintsy, but you've got to manage your way around and then you go through spots on the back nine and you feel like you're playing through Heathland, you know, Forest, it's stuff. It was just such a wild adventure playing off there. I know that the sixth hole was very polarizing for the group, but, you know, Randy, what did you think? Because you were pretty taken aback by it too. I loved it. And again, it's a place I didn't know anything about. The setting is just so picture-ass, the little clubhouse right on the water,

a lot of stonework around the clubhouse and the course. You know, so it starts with a par three. Number one is like a hundred and depending on what T's you're playing at. But it's like a mid to shorter iron par three. And I think that just announces itself as like, it's gonna be a little bit of a different type of course. And it just carried through, right?

You mentioned the six hole, the par five, super quirky, probably not anything an architect would would dream up today. But the whole course was kind of in comparing it to brohuff, slute. I thought vis-by, it was challenging without being like, It was challenging without being like, and DJ, you can maybe give a different take on this opinion. But I thought, vis-by, you can, there's a way to play each whole, right? Like if I, maybe I'm taking Iron Off the tee and I'm just getting my ball and play

and then I can run something up greenside. I guess what I'm trying to say is there were a lot of different ways I felt to attack the holes. And it didn't require that I hit a 260 drive over water to this point, which I feel like brohoff slute is a little bit asking you to do time and again. And so you can try a lot of different little shots and the greens were exceptional. I don't know, yeah, I was walking down the back nine and it's just like, man, this golf course is everything that I love about golf courses.

And like for that reason, it's gotta be in the top, I don't know, put a number on it, but it's like one of my five favorite courses I've ever played, just for the variety of what the place is, what it presents, and how you can go about playing it. So I mean, I was completely taken by it, but DJ, I know you had a little different experience playing. And I'm curious how, how that colors your perception of vis-be?

Well, I cannot say this loudly enough up front. It's a me problem, like for sure. And this isn't really a spoiler. It's, you know, some days you play good, some days you play bad. I played very bad. I was, it was a, uh, almost an out of body experience. It reminded me a lot of the day at Pinehurst number three when we, when we did Taurus Oswain. There's, there's like three to four days a year where I'll get up to the first T and it's like invasion of the body snatchers. And I'm just like, I don't know who is home right now.

This is, there's somebody else pulling the strings like, I don't know who is home right now. This is, there's somebody else pulling the strings, like I don't know what my golf swing is doing. And so I had like a debilitating pull hook going on and it was blowing pretty good, like 20, 25. And so anything into the wind was just like, this is gonna go 600 yards left. Like this has no fucking chance. So all of that is to say it was one of those

days that like if I wasn't playing golf and I was just out there walking maybe maybe I in a perfect world I would have been out there with like camera and a cup of coffee, taking some stills, walking with my buds, having just a great day. And in that case, it would have been a real top five golf experience for me as well. But playing as bad as I did, it was not fun for me. But again, that's a me problem. Having said that, and Solid, please allow me to alley up here.

The six whole fucking stinks. It was really stupid. And it was very, very, very bad. I think even if you are Alex Noren and one of the top 50 golfers in the world, I still don't really see how I still don't really see a path to victory on that whole. And Rand, of course, you made five so you can flaunt that in my face if you like. But it just was not a good golf goal. Solly or Dej, I used to describe the whole and then I would like to make a counter.

I would like to say I buried the whole and it sticks. It's a par five that is a beauty like it's beautiful. It rests up against uh, uh, it's like a great great place to walk. Great place to walk. Way to need to play golf there. Way too narrow of a golf hole. And there's no real way to know where to hit a driver and laying back with iron doesn't necessarily like open up a lot of options. It's just like truly survive the t-shot with like an iron.

Because because it snaps so hard to the left, it's such a sharp dog like and it's so tight that even if you do lay back with an iron or for instance you fucking stink like me and you can't hit your driver far enough then you would like have no chance to hit that lap either. So it's like, you're either trying to fit a driver that's like north of 290 into this little corridor or you're trying to like lay back and then you can't hit the second shot in play. TC, shout out TC.

I'm going into the Russian peninsula over there. Is a little left and he's trying to let you know, wait. I'm on film. D.G. you might have to dig that clip up because I, I'm standing up there spot in TC second and he thinks he's just put one like in the hole and it is like miles into the sea. Like, he's like, what?

He's like, I mean, like, no way, man. I said, oh, I, I hooked the heck out of it. Like, I, I absolutely clipped it, covered the ball. It's moving right to the left pretty steadily. And he looks like what the fuck? We yelled back to him like, get, it's in the seats. What? Like, yeah, there, I have no way of describing how far

and to see that wet. I mean, it's, imagine, imagine, imagine, see at Pebble Beach and aiming directly to the right and hitting like a five iron out there, like that's how far into the sea that ball went. Yeah, it was so cool. That whole, like, that whole part of the property was the whole before it was really, really cool. And so we, we debated a lot of this stuff on the trip and how it was a great opportunity for a really fun par-five, it's just like way too narrow. My counter point is it goes back to what I said about Stockholm is they take their par-fives, three-shot par-fives seriously, and any means necessary to make

that happen. And there's something that I appreciate about that. It's like there is a way to play the whole. You just, you play it with three shots. You take your medicine and I thought the setting of the whole was gorgeous. And I think something that I loved about vis-by, I felt it as other persons. Because the take your medicine is still extremely dangerous. Like hitting six iron, it off the tee is still,

like, it takes a very skilled golfer to execute that shot. Like there's not like a shot there for like a 10 handicap, much less like a 22 handicap. Like I write, Randy, you made, you made five. How did you, how did you do it off the tee and then did a pitching wedge for my second shot? And then I had like, was that fun? Yeah, I mean, hearing you guys bitch about it. Yeah, it's really fun. Yeah. I think the defense rests. Randy, I'm with you. I think there is a way to play it. It's, it's, I, I get a little uneasy

when it's like, well, it should be wider. So I can fit right like, no, dude, the whole is the whole. Like it's up to you to figure out how to play it. And that's up to me whether or not I like it and I don't. There's a couple things generally about vis-by-though that I feel is one, it reminds me of, it's pretty scruffy in places. Pacific Grove comes to mind. Maybe that's with the lighthouse. And just the fact that it feels almost homegrown. And I was shocked when they, when I found out it was,

you know, it's only been around since the 50s or 60s. Like it feels like it's been around for a hundred years. And so I think there's like this added, it's almost a feeling you get of nostalgia or like, man, this feels so old. It feels like it's been here forever in it. And I just appreciate a course that is able to do that in a short period of time.

And just, I think what's what Randy's saying, like, it's hard to describe what it is, but it's just a feeling you get. And the corner of the course that I got that feeling was number 16 and number 18 on the back nine, 16 long par five. Sally and I, we've argued about if this is a good hold or not, I just thought it was such an epic setting. You hit up over this hill. It's dog leg right. and then you come down and you get to the top of this hill, and you're hitting this long second shot down to this green where a creek comes up the left and then cuts across

the fairway to the right, and you just get a really picturesque view through the trees and down this shoot of the Baltic. And it just, that hole kind of sums up the vibe or just like, man, I just was, I want to get around again for nine holes in the afternoon. And I was just, I couldn't wait to get to that spot again. And then number 18 is a par five that, you know, looks a lot like 18 at Pebble Beach,

right, with the way that it dog legs left around the water. There's a beach down there. You got to hit a really, you know, really good drive off the tee and then it's a really exciting second shot into a green that kind of sits back in this corner next to the clubhouse. So which, which used to be, used to be number one. By the way, which that 18th hole used to be number one.

It was like voted one of the best opening holes in Sweden. So it took some, some stones for Pierre Fulke to kind of reverse that and make it par 5, 18th. Yeah. So someone from these just a setting, right? Like I don't know if it's just a feeling you get in certain parts of a course that's like, man, this is like I cannot wait to get back to these spots. They've added some new holes too. Like that, I think was that full, like they're I think they're building a new third hole. Four, they is part five. They added that five and seven are both part threes

that were really, really cool part threes, very dynamic. And then like Randy, to your point, I thought eight and nine, like totally summed up exactly what you were saying about. There's so many different ways to get the ball in the hole in those two holes. Like a nine, you could bang driver up towards the green.

You could hit seven iron off the tee. And you're probably going to be faced with unique challenges on both of those cool greens. And like they were, they were the, probably the best greens we played on the entire trip, in my opinion, as far as smoothness. Ten's an awesome par five that you got to get creative. And then I don't know, I just, I love the place. It was like a jigsaw puzzle and you're just trying

to figure it out and you immediately want to go back out. It was very much like as soon as we pulled up, especially like coming off Brohoff slot, it was very much of, ah, like this is it. All right, this is the jam, like this is what we, this is what we came to do. Like this is the link style course. The wind was whipping the natural elements of the course.

I thought were the best protector of it. That's why I think it was too tight in some places because mostly because the winds we played in out there were 20 to 25 miles an hour and it's just, you don't need both of those things. That's like a double hazard, if you will. And that part was, I think, what, where my only real beef with the course was the tightness

in about five or six of the holes that I thought there's a little more room to breathe would have made it. I like exploring golf courses. I don't necessarily love that it doesn't mean that I have to pound driver everywhere. I just I love to have some breathing room and some chances to kind of choose where you want to go and how much risk you want to take on and a lot of the holes really dictated what you were supposed to do on a lot of them. That's the only thing that prevents me from putting it way way. I think it was probably still my favorite golf course on the trip.

I just have to throw a caution flag into the ring of some of these guys that were saying the top five course they've ever played. I have to directly challenge some of these. When Randy says it, I get it. I get the vibe of what Randy's going for, but I got to throw a few caution flags. If you're going to call it top five, that means you got to rank it above some of these courses. And I'm just going to go off tourist sauce courses.

We've experienced together. So T.C. I think Neil said this too. Do you guys say it's a top five golf course you've played? I think it's top 10 golf courses I'd want to play the rest of my life. Okay. It was top five when we did the video. Oh, top. Yeah. Yeah. I'm fine with top five. I could play there every day for the rest of my life.

Okay. So if we're going Let's let's are you bought St Andrews or visb? I'm going St Andrews. I mean, St Andrews my favorite course. I don't want to watch this car. Rick. Plus TIPO. visb. Role Melbourne. Role Melbourne. Kingston Heath. visb. oh my god Lynch

Visby TC, come on you need to play the fifth here. I think it's I think it's time for the injector See it's definitely above it's definitely above the edge. It's such an easy walk to It's just delightful man like I could go have fucking beers on that back portion over that lighthouse and just hang out out there. I don't even need to play the golf course. Now we're talking now we're talking. Valley Bunyan. Keep.

Oh, visby. Khan. Visby. I don't need to play. Khan every day. Visby North. Barric. I think. All right. I'll go North Barric there.

Dornick. That's awesome. That's awesome. This is just Taurus sauce courses. I just have to throw a flag on the hyperbole. I could get way down on this place very much exceeded expectations. I was just stunning statement.

The most stunning statement of the trip. I think but it's like I couldn't go out and play car and everyday for the rest of my life because it's I get my face blown off like I couldn't go play. I don't and I don't think the statement on the trip was top five everyday course it was like top five golf experience I've ever known it was top five everyday. Okay, we can check the tape on that I just wanted to I want to be aware of what classification of course you were putting this place in. What about the loop? Which makes me sound like I don't like it, which it's right there

with it's right there with the ealy of like a course that I could play every day for the rest of my life. How do you rank it against the loop? No comment. Directly or not. We're not doing that. Rainy, you're confidently still saying top five with all those courses mentioned? Yeah. Yeah. I believe. I believe.

I haven't played a lot of those that you mentioned, but I need to get to the band in the band in trails because I know that's hard to picture is the everyday, but I just wanted to. I think it speaks how much you love it. If you're willing to go with that far on a limb, I just want to get that documented. I think I had in my notes, I would absolutely love, could not wait to play like 14 of the holes again. There's four, am I good?

I went back out and played it a second time, which we played it one-ups the first time, and we played the tips a second time, one-ups was more than fine. Like it was more interesting decisions to be made. And I will say that I think to the point to back up Tron a little bit, it's impossible to separate out the reality of playing vis-b-y as compared to like the old course where it's people all around you. Some of these more popular courses,

it just is a different feeling because they're so popular, they're so crowded, you feel like a little bit, you're in sort of a factory and vis-b is like, man, we were there, we were chilling, the course was open and I think it's like, that goes a long way in reality. Three for three, two, the beers on the back porch there, like that back porch is, I think it's undefeated challenge flag on that one. No, Randy, we had a T off at 640 because, and

then the second 18 was at four o'clock because of how busy the T sheet is there in the summer. Like, that's a golf booming, like, to the tips of the edges of islands in the, in the Baltic sea, was something that a takeaway I had as well. Yeah, pretty much everywhere. It was week 30. Yes. The week 30. All the singles are out there.

The 30, the women over 30 go the 30th week of the year to to Gotland to visb. Randy, are you going to go back to to Gotland for week 30? I would love to go back. No, in all honesty, I think and and I wanted to mention this, DJ, before we left the island, DJ and I got to go into Old Town, Visby. So there's like a huge wall around the Old Town. And it was really cool.

I mean, we only got to spend an hour there, but it felt like you were in an old European city, which was different than where we were stationed on a different part of the island. But for those that want the touristy aspect of it, you can go to Gotland, you can stay in these delightful little inns and bed and breakfast in the old city and it's just magical. It was so charming. And not just like an old European city,

like almost like medieval European city, right? Like it's, I think there's, I was doing some reading stuff on it. I think it's like one of the most well-preserved medieval cities kind of in Europe. There's a massive 30 foot wall that goes around the whole old town. If like Neil has said in the past, it's just this massive Viking kind of like resupply island and yeah,

fascinating place, fascinating place. I'm going to go like in the next couple of years, I'm going to take my family there for vacation like I like to that much It's just a cool place and travel there too. I mean those fairies are so delightful Shout out to the fairies. Yeah, it was a what an operation incredible system You pull the car right up you go sit in like a very comfortable like train like seat There's a bar there. There's food, there's water, it was beautiful sites. It was, you almost got sad when it was time for the ferry to dock because it was just a

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I, it's always always wanting to play more golf. On these trips, where I get enough. And Randy is like, you know, I do not want to play more golf. So it's kind of like trying to figure out how to bridge those two things. So I put something on the antenna. I'm like, hey, Christian Stodd is it's in Ohus or Ahus down by like the absolute headquarters where like absolute vodka was was found to kind of midway down the southeast coast of Sweden. So kind of about halfway between where we got off the ferry in, was that Oscar-Shom and

Copenhagen. And so, Christian Saad was purchased a few years ago by our man, Willis, Willis Schomann's brother-in-law, who is one of the heirs to the H&M empire, and he's put a ton of money into it. And I believe, I I believe peers working on that as well, right? Tell me. You did a lot of work on that. I think this was, I really love days that when you look back at them, you can definitively say, I will never do that again, again, in my whole life. Woke up on the island of Gotland took a ferry to mainland Sweden, played golf into the night as the sunset with some buddies in southern Sweden and drove into Copenhagen for the night. Like that. Just I was in basically three

different countries. It's technically two different countries, but for the entire day and played 18 holes in that process. It was just a very fun random day. And we didn't we filmed some out there. It's not really part of the competition. But yeah, Ben Cody and I went out to this course. No, no, not a whole lot about it. It hosted the, what was the professional women's tournament? Somewhat recently Maya Stark won, I forget the new. The Scandinavian mixed. Was the mixed? I thought it was just, oh, no, the mix was somewhere else.

Yeah, just, they just have a bunch of, I can look that up. But it was, yeah, just a very, very, it was a total stunner. I mean, it's between this and vis-b for my favorite golf course on the trip. And we got incredible light, teed off at five o'clock in the evening. After five o'clock, there's no teatimes. It's, you know, put your ball in the, in the whatever and you go play. And it's very green golf course yet firm, sandy soil. And it, It's very green golf course yet firm sandy soil and it it it's kind of hard to describe, but the way I described it was it was a great place for like showcasing skills and that it it was inviting it and it was challenging. It was like, Hey, six five and six iron par threes, but here's how you got to do it.

You're going to have to land it short right of the green and you got to use these contours to like roll it up on here. And then the next hole is gonna be, you know, just majestic dog like left, par five around a corner with really big bold contours around the greens, with like championship level slopes to it, yet not like punch you in the face difficult,

not brohoff slot soulless championship golf. That might be a little harsh, but it just had a soul to it, yet at the same time was like very inviting and very challenging. I mean, I was like, I was playing pretty good and it was having delightful time. I'm like, oh, shit, I'm like seven over. Somehow ejecting me, but it was all of the right challenge, all the most fun kind of challenge. And I'm like, there's a dog leg right par four, the fourth hole that is very much like, hey, you want to hit like a hybrid

or a three iron or something out into this fat part of the fairway and hit like a medium iron in, you totally can, or as it dog looks to the right, it wraps around trees and it narrows. And you can try to jam like a wood into that area if you'd like to and have a wedge, but that's your own risk. The other option is extremely safe, and it was just kind of that kind of decision-making

that was super encouraging. And the first 12 holes were just, I mean, we were totally smitten, kind of like a synatext to you guys like, holy shit guys, this is really, really good. And I think I had reached the conclusion that I loved it before the finishing stretch, which I think got actually got a little bit quirky, a little bit weird with some ponds and some creaks kind of running through the holes that kind of really awkward spots that, you know, I didn't think it finished very nearly as strong it's probably the more picture s part of the golf course but first 12 holes of this thing I mean we were just just grin and ear to ear it was a freeing fun evening playing into the summer light and

we got max burgers on the way out that was the only fast food place we could find they did not want to be filmed on camera that was somebody came out to our car and asked what we were planning to do with that footage. It would be waiting for the food. But it had my, I think my favorite hole on the trip, the seventh hole is dog like right, par four, with a shared green with a 13th green, which is also a drivable par four with this huge like half pipe kicker in the middle of it, separating out the two greens, even though it's one green with all these cool quadrants and pop bunkers near it. And gosh, we just had an awesome time. It's gonna pop really well in video.

And I cannot say enough great things about it. It's very, I struggled to describe it. It was like, linksy but not and championship but not. It was like a combination of the best parts of both of those worlds. Yeah, Paire was, when I was asking him about courses in Sweden, he was very much like, you know, this is the best course in the country in my opinion. And like, this is not to be missed.

So making sure that we got at least one car full of guys there was, was essential. Yeah. And Ben almost hit me with a shank on the very first hole, which was sick. And it was like, I was moving out of the way to the right. So as I was getting out of the way, the ball was curving towards me. And I had like the moment where it all clicked for me very quickly and how unathletic I now am. My 23 year old body would have had no problem getting out of the way of this ball.

And I had to do like a matrix jump front dive onto my own stomach to avoid hitting this ball. And I will remember that in the first fairways where I realized I was old. Is that okay? No, I wish we had that one. Actually, I'm glad we don't have that one because that would be, it was pretty humiliating. So we drove down to Copenhagen that evening, kind of got there varying times. We had a really nice dinner in Copenhagen that night.

And then we see it at the hotel Kong Arthur. Kind of the Donkey Kong Arthur. Yeah, Donkey Kong Arthur, kind of northwest side of the city. Copenhagen, I need to get back there like ASAP. What a vivacious place. A lot more like, you know, unrestrained than Stockholm. Not granted some of that was just because everybody was on vacation in Stockholm, but Copenhagen feels like a Stockholm and Amsterdam had a baby. Yeah, it's referred to a lot as a sister city to Amsterdam, if you will. So no shock that I was smitten and riding bikes around the city with Neil

is one of my highlights of the trip, honestly, of just the connectivity with the culture and the cities of Europe, part of this trip was just a huge, huge, I'd been to Copenhagen before, I've been in Stockholm before, but when I lived in Europe, I was kind of dull to my senses in terms of the architecture and the culture because I just saw it almost every weekend and coming and revisiting these places from the States

just like reminded me of how special they are, how cool and fun, different, exciting those cultures are. Like a culture shock is kind of a, it's not how I would describe those cultures, but it's just different. It's a totally different way of going about life. People look different, they talk different, they act different, they do their restaurants different, they do their drinks different, they do their coffee different, everything's just a little bit different. And I felt that nowhere better than Copenhagen. That place we went to dinner, restaurant bar, that scene down by the river and all the

people out on their bikes and things like that, it hit a lot of different senses for me. And allow me to be the first person to say Copenhagen restaurant scene very solid I know that's a I know that's a controversial take and I feel like more people are talking about the food and Cape Copenhagen It seems like it's like really good It's on the come-up. Yeah, I agree ready One thing that we were trying to make sure that to like we have a tendency we're getting better at it I think with each passing season is just, you know, spending multiple nights in one hotel room and not having to

You know pack up multiple times, you know, like more than necessary So we stayed what three nights in Copenhagen, I think and commuted kind of, you know, there's not a whole lot of golf near Copenhagen So you kind of, you know, there's not a whole lot of golf near Copenhagen. So you kind of have to like on the way over, crazy thing about Copenhagen to me was the bridge tunnel, the orsund connection there, you know, like this crazy long bridge. And then you go to this man-made island and then you go underground into this tunnel. And it's like $65 to go through it. I mean, the toll is crazy. So the next morning we went to Great Northern, which is like an hour and a half,

almost two hours west of Copenhagen, northwest of Copenhagen, and you go over another big, like massive, massive bridge there, but this was our one round in Denmark, nearly want to take us there. I would love to. Just a note, you know, on the infrastructure side,

whether big or small, the Danes, they take their infrastructure seriously, whether big or small, the Danes, they take their infrastructure seriously. I didn't realize that the continental Europe was not connected to Scandinavia until the year 2000 when they built that bridge. So that big ass bridge would have. If you think about the economic impact of that, the toll seems somewhat reasonable. But Great Northern owned by the heirs to the Lego family, which is the Christianson family. I think it's the fourth generations running the company now. And they built great Northern as a golf resort. And I think it the word that summed it up for me a little bit was like theme park or that's two words, but we'll

use theme park as a two word description because it, I don't know, it was, similar to what we said about, you know, Brohoff's flute, it's big, it's brash, it's bold, but I thought it was a much more creative. It wasn't importing, you know, golf from another country. It was taking that style of golf and really putting a Danish stamp on it, whether that was with the architecture,

one of the best spas I've ever been to, which we can get into later. It's in a Danish town, Kurt Tommende, which is, there's no way I pronounce that properly, which is about two hours west of Copenhagen. Very, very rural, felt like a countryside for sure, rolling hills. And the course plays kind of up this one large hill

both the front nine and the back nine both play up this hill and it reminded me of like going up a roller coaster and then you're up there for a minute you're playing across the peak you're getting a great view of the property of the surrounding land and then it's just like Mad Max coming back down the hill into this kind of bird sanctuary, wetland area, and the risk reward shots, the, you're hitting over water, you're hitting the island greens, it's just very, very sensory overload, I guess is how I felt hitting a lot of the shots out there. And it didn't feel like any expense was spared on

the nuts and bolts of building a golf course. So technically a Jack Nicholas, Nicholas design, I think Dick Bouts was the man on the ground for the Nicholas design company. It seemed like the European dude. Yeah, he runs a lot of the work and stuff from what I've read. I also got a little bit of a feel being there that they, you know, Nicholas and Nicholas designs did a lot of the foundational work, which is really, really good. Like, you could just sense that, you know, when you're kind of in a building or on or even like a good example,

be like Denver airport. It's like this place is like overbilled. You know what I mean? Like, it's no expensive spirit on like the stuff you can't see. I had that feeling a lot at Great Northern. It's like the 80s lunch inside of a Yeti cooler. Yeah, exactly. Overengineered would be a good word for it. Like no expense was spared on like, let's do it right the first time.

Let's overbuild this thing. And you know, that's fun to see. And then you can see the Nicholas influence. Specifically, I think 15 felt like a, you know, straight out of Mirfield Village, but then there's a lot of other parts of the course where you almost sensed it like as the course was being built, the owners were like, yeah, listen, we got it from here. Like we build Lego lands, we create this stuff like we're good. So it felt very unique and not quite all the way. Nicholas, if that makes sense.

But I overall, like I probably went in, uh, expecting it not to be the style of golf that I liked and I walked away saying what a fun round would can't wait to get back in just the whole experience was very unique and I loved it. I had in my notes it felt like if Chambers Bay and PGA National had a kid and then that kid grew up and started hanging out with Pete Dye. It was like there was a lot of shit going on and I'm with you Neil and like it it shouldn't have worked and it should have been like so disjointed and weird and like what is this?

And I fucking loved it. It was so fun. Yeah. That was how I was. I didn't really know what to expect. I was like, all right, I really got the spa afterwards of this place is good. We'll kind of lean into it.

If it's not good, we'll lean into the spa and all our stuff in Copenhagen and we played golf in Denmark. And the first few holes, I felt like I was in Nebraska, or Chambers Bay, like you said, like, you know, kind of working our way up this big hill, and there's no trees, and there's all these native grasses, and then you start coming down the hill, and then you, you know, you come down the hill, and like the hardest part forced the warhold, and like we had the toughest pins. I also thought I was gonna have a heart attack

walking up those first two holes. Seriously? Like straight up. Well, I mean, it was, it was pretty fucking steep. I mean, not literally. I didn't think I was gonna have a heart attack, but it was, it was a punch in the mouth while walking up those first two holes.

There's something nice about, let's get it out of the way early, it was nine hole. I love your roller coaster analogies. Great. Coming downhill, man, like let's, let's go get it out of the way early. Yeah, I love your roller coaster analogy. It's great. Coming downhill, man. Like, let's, let's go get it. And that can get you in trouble out there because like you see said, there's a lot more trouble coming down the hill.

And there is going up the hill. But I thought that that was a cool vibe. And then like you get to like kind of down to the flat part. And then I felt like how is it. Sawgrass or PG or like a like golf national down there? Or like, I mean shit, like the ninth hole was this, this par three over water. And like you had to hit like, it was like a hundred

and what, it was like a hundred and 70 yards. Or like the, you know, the pin was like a hundred and 72 yards and you had to hit like a hundred and 70 yard shot. And it couldn't be 169.8 and it couldn't be like 174 because you were going to go off the back. It was, you had to hit like 172 yard shot. It's like a harbor town shot without the trees surrounding it basically. And it was, it was very much a nightmare shot for a right hander, which is the further

right you go, the longer the carry and the more likely to go in the water. And if you pull it, you're long left very, very quickly. That hole was, that's where it just, it's amazing. You talk about those uphill holes. I thought the up-of-the-holes were freaking awesome. Yeah, that is great. They were sweet holes.

They tied into the terrain really well. I thought they used the elevation in certain spots as a great feature of the course. And then, yeah, you get to like a six hole stretch that is just like totally and completely different. The water parts felt unnecessary to me. I get felt like more, the Aaron Hills style part of it, which I've never played Aaron Hills, but that's what kind of what it felt like at times.

That's what, that was vibing with that. And then you get to holes with waterfalls and creeks and then just a total Pete dye experience there for three, four holes or something like that. And then it's back to being Aaron Hills again. It was just, it was very schizophrenic to me. And there was about 12 holes that I greatly, greatly enjoyed and six that I'm just like, I'm not sure that really fits in here. How about the swans?

I think it's worth mentioning also, we had like a pretty calm day out there. Like there's nothing blocking the wind. And that place has to whip. I would guess most days a year that it's probably whipping out there. And that stretch of like four, five, six, seven would have been moochow not fun in the wind. Some cool Bronnie, par five down there like that one without the bunkers was that 14. 14. I think straight like this, you know, spiraling, part five dog like left just kept going and then you hit into like it just keeps ripping around, ripping around down this hill.

And then it's like an infinity green with the rest of the property kind of frame behind it. That was a really, it was just really fun golf. Even the water holes saw, yeah, I think there's a factor there of, it's almost so over the top, some of these island greens and how big the, you know, the, it's very wide and these big lakes with this beautiful clubhouse in the background, very memorable shots. Like I can't help it.

It's like, man, I will, you know, I will remember the 18th hole there. Like, it's hard to, like I can close my eyes and picture it, right? And there's something to be said for that. If you're trying to put golf on the map or build like a statement piece of golf in your country, I think they've accomplished that there. On the architecture side, I drive it into Copenhagen, you can tell architecture something they take very seriously

and modern architecture and talking to the GM. It's like building architecture, not golf architecture. Yeah, building architecture. And how thoughtful they were with the clubhouse, the design of it, you know, very geometric, and the way when you walk into the entryway, it's glass, these massive windows, floor to ceiling on both sides.

And when the pin is like in the middle of nine green, and then behind over the lake in the middle of eight green that all lines up perfectly with the sliding glass doors. Like little things like that, you're like, whoa, I mean, that's like, that's a lot to take in. And I just appreciated how thoughtful all the resort aspects of it were. Not just like, let's not make it like five star amenity wise,

let's make it like really thoughtful artwork as far as the art. I just to piggyback on that Neil when we arrived, As for coffee, they brought French press coffee, which is the first for me anywhere in the world. You know golf course coffee French press was okay, this place is really nice. It was really strange. I was trying to think about like what the whole property reminded me of in the architecture, the buildings. It almost felt like ex-Machina, the movie where to your point in here, like the glass and everything kind of lining up and it just looks perfect. And we'll get into the spa here. The spa kind of continued that.

And I really dig it in that we were there for a day and we got like the awesome experience. But I can't help like there's just this sense like underlying kind of like X-Mark, like what's going on here is there there something dark happening somewhere in this property? Yeah. So I really enjoyed that feeling. Like it felt like that without being cold and like Johan was just the man. I think it's worth mentioning all of this too is against the backdrop of like, nearly you mentioned, this is like a very small seemingly.

I mean, we kind of just drove in and drove out. It's not like we explored all that much, but pretty small rural town about like two hours from Copenhagen. I think it's where the Christiansons grew up, right? So you kind of go and, you know, you make all this money at, at Lego and then you come back and put this absolutely world class facility, like on one hand might feel a little out of place,

but on the other hand, it's like what a cool thing to bring back to your hometown. And, you know, we mentioned the spa a couple of times, like they intentionally keep the spa very, very affordable so that, you know, it's kind of available to all residents. It's not just for all out of town tourists. It's just a really, it's an awesome way to, to go about it. And also, I want to make sure you guys are monitoring all this Lego talk. Did you guys monitor the on the trap draw, the Lego conversation about them pulling out of Russia and having to rename all their stores, the world of blocks? I just want to make sure

you guys got that on your next agenda. What a cool, I mean, like Lego. Like we're like the coolest toy company in the world. You know, just a best. What a cool company. I don't know. Massive Lego guy. Yes. Love Lego.

It's a vantage viewpoint. Like I don't know if I would want to live in a house that was designed like a great northern, but like as an experience for a resort, the architecture I found it very stimulating, very interesting, and I just love it when there's a story, like there's a purpose behind the building, not just like we want this to look five-star, like no, we've really tried to think of everything here. Which feels like when you open up an awesome Lego box,

it's like, oh my God, look, they thought everything on this police station or this robotic set that they built. So I thought it was a good embodiment of just the Lego culture in golf. So I'm glad it's there and I'm glad we got to see it. Even 18. Like Island, green, par five, finisher. It was epic. It was epic. Like I'll never, it's hard. You just will never forget

those holes. Even if they're overdone too much, you know, maybe a little too hard, it's still like, man, this isn't like unbelievable creation. So a lot of that was was was cool to see spa wise. What was y'all's favorite favorite favorite element of the spa hot tub, cold tub? Which temperature sauna? I mean, with our salt tub, it stretched across the Celsius, the Celsius spectrum from the whole six to eight. Right.

There's a six degree and eight degree. The saltwater float pool. I think that's where I'm going to put it at the top of my list. I've never, never been in a float pool before and all the boys just kind of bobbing around, drifting around the float. The salt tub was a pretty pretty funny. I'll give a shout out to the sauna. It was just such a lovely space. And the automatic doors on the swimming pool, like you could go from inside to outside, there was like automatic doors, like you'd see it a, you know, CVS or something

that just kind of opened up and let you're right outside just a unbelievable feat in every way. I will say, that was the peak of our sauna experience in Scandinavia, but I just want to shout out the sauna culture in general. And, you know, I got to experience it firsthand, Scandinavians, all over Scandinavia, like it is it, it is a part of the culture, some more than others, almost as you go from east to west, like east to fin seem to be all about like that's, that's what culture

revolves around. The Swedes vary, dedicated to their sonas, and then the Danes and Norwegians the same thing. Very important to note though, not like the US where it's just hot. It's spaghetti and meatballs. It's hot and cold. You have to have the contrast. And no matter where we went, that was very, that was explained to me more than once, which I appreciate as a big contrast guy. I loved it.

Yeah, you'll see the, we had the sauna of a Jacob's place. Took a sauna at the Morning to No Tell and Stockholm. Took some sunas at the surf lodge. Took took some sunas at the at the great northern. Yeah, it was just like a it was a sauna sensory experience. We didn't get to do it, but they had floating sunas like boat sunas in sensory experience. We didn't get to do it, but they had floating sonas, like boat sonas in in Oslo, and you could just jump right off into the into the whatever body of water that was and jump right in and go back in your sauna that's going around on a boat. It was sick. Fjords plus plus sonas. That's a last last point to make on the great northern spa. Johan the GM, they were so nice. They said, okay okay now you guys can spend an hour at our spa and

There were some beautiful people in the spa and The five of or really the seven of us roll in I think we got some camera I couldn't get out I couldn't get the thought out of my head that it felt like Cady day at the Bushwood pool for you know the one hour right the like a caddy day at the Bushwood pool for, you know, the one hour, right? The, you know, smucks just roll in, we're flopping around, we're, you know, just making a mess of things while these gorgeous Scandinavian people are trying to relax. The whole thought of that really made me chuckle. I thought Johan had some, had some great perspective on the, the Danish movie, another round as

well, which we could take that offline, but that was a persistent combo throughout the trip. The super attendant was great out there. I mean, the place was in the exceptional shape too. It was, yeah, and that's swan. The swan on 15, these things were like diving down underneath the water to eat some sort of food underneath the water, or catch fish or whatever. And their asses were in the air for like 35, 40 seconds at a time. You didn't know if these things were

going to come back around. But then, you know, it was, it was wild. I'd never seen it like it. So next up, we leave Denmark and head back across the bridge into the Southwest tip, really, of Sweden to play Falsterbo. Yeah, so Falsterbo is like the linkiest course that maybe Sweden offers. I obviously have not certainly not seen all of Swedish golf, but it's an old club, a rich history. A lot of members have memberships at some of the best golf clubs around the world. So it felt very blue blood, in a sense. It's tucked into this little neighborhood that feels like a very popular summer destination for what I presume are well to do Swedish families.

And it was, it was definitely a change of pace from the golf that we had experienced up to that point, right? Heading out this flat piece of property right on the water and trying to get in that mindset of links golf. And I thought the golf course itself, the back nine feels absolutely like a links course anywhere in GB and I, right? You could lift that up and put it somewhere off the coast of Scotland and be like, Oh, yeah, this is, this is an exceptional link. golf course. The front nine, it's just a little bit weird because it's playing linksy, but then you have these little ponds and Randy, I'll correct you. It wasn't just a little bit weird. It was a lot bit weird. Okay, good.

Cause I didn't know if this was just kind of my thinking, but it was like, what's going on here? Is this a links course? Why is that little pond right there that my ball ran into? Just a lot going on. It would be like playing the old course and like hills and kind of hummocks everywhere. And you just, yeah, you just walk over them

and like, oh, there's like a swimming pool size pond right there, like, huh, didn't, I fought. I didn't, didn't see that comic. So there's like, cool, fun, wow, this little mogul. And like, and like kind of like natural looking burns almost, they're like, they're not big, but of like natural looking burns almost. So we're like, they're not big, but they're just in weird spots.

And there's, it's short, you're playing through trees. And then, you know, and it's like a, it's like a nature preserve back there. So I guess they can't do much with it. And it sits pretty much at sea level as well. And so the defining features, they have a really cool light lighthouse that that kind of is the prominent

physical marker of the property. The routing, you kind of get back to the clubhouse by the seventh green, eighth tea. A lot of families walking out to the water, either bird watching or just go in sightseeing. So you kind of have people crossing fairways and holes at certain points, which is a fun, it was kind of mayhem. Yeah, which, you know, if we're going to get weird, let's lean into it a little bit. It's a fun thing to have going on. Big, big lighthouse, too.

Not like the little lighthouse at Visby. Like real, real lighthouse. Substantial lighthouse. And you see Copenhagen across the street, there, you know, kind of low slung against the horizon. And then you get to the back nine, and it's like it's firm and lintzy, and it's one of the flattest courses of everybody.

Yeah, super flat, easily walkable. I think my big takeaway with golf, and then I'll turn it over to you guys. I was, I don't know why I was expecting this, maybe just thinking about Lynx Golf courses. I was prepared to be able to really run the ball up to greens. That's been my experience on a lot of Lynx courses, right? There's a clear path leading into the green. And I was really surprised because Falserbow was difficult. And it's not a long course, but the greens are very small.

They were very firm. And on a lot of holes, there were cross bunkers that didn't allow you, if you so chose, to just use the ground game and to run the ball onto greens. And that made it, in my opinion, very difficult and took a while to get used to because you're having to hit these precise iron shots into very firm and also small greens.

And I was like, God, how am I supposed to say any of these greens? I enjoyed the challenge. I think it's a very cool golf club. I love the history, but I'm curious like DJ, what was your, what were some of the big takeaways for you from Fouce de Beau? I would co-sign everything you just said about. It's weird that it was like a very mentally difficult golf course, if that makes sense. Like you're right, it wasn't, it was short, it wasn't like, it was wide, it wasn't crazy in that way, but I was exhausted when we finished. I think a lot of that was, it is this amazing piece of land that straight up, I mean, just kind of

juts out into the sea. And there's nothing else on this piece of land except the golf course. It's like a brilliant, beautiful place for a golf course. But the way it's laid out, there was every single hole was like a crosswind. There was no holes that were straight into the wind or straight downwind. So you're just constantly trying to navigate that, which is, which is exhausting. There were also other than a place like Whistling Straits or a Kiwa or something like that. That's like predominantly, you know, sandy. I don't know that I've ever played a place that has

more bunkers. They were so proud of the fact that there was like 200 some bunkers on this little tiny golf course. And it was, yeah, there's just landmines everywhere. But in that way, like, I maybe had a little more fun. I didn't play all that much better, but I maybe had a little more fun playing that than vis-bid just because, you know, it was kind of equally windy, but there was a little bit more room to miss. But I would say the vibe at Visby, you know, would defeat this place kind of like, you know, seven and six. But it was just a very, very cool place. I'm glad we saw it, but it was, it was no joke.

It was difficult. It would have been a great, it would have been a great hickory golf course as well. Yeah, super unique place, right? Like it's, I've seen anything else like it. It's very much, if, if Brewhoff was like the American style, this was like, Hey, we are trying to be an English golf club. We, you know, from the moment we walked in, Jan was, you know, very proud of their RNA members and their connections to different places in

Scotland and England and the United States as far as, you know, kind of national members or international members or whatever. But yeah, just very much very very old school. You know, you could tell it was kind of like that's probably the true grand aim of Swedish golf. You know, a lot of people from Stockholm have summer houses down there, you know, and go down there. And I think you can play your round down there. And speaking of, speaking of playing your round, I do just want to give a shout out to their cold weather golf club that they have that was a league that runs from October to March.

I think it's just a bunch of like very, very older guys. They're sick of who are absolute sickos. They go out there when the weather is just as bad as it could possibly be. They all pack these lunches. It's like herring and like one beer and they go out and they just play in like the most shit weather. You could you could possibly imagine they stop at number seven to come inside for a second, warm up, have a beer and then go back out and trudge back out. But Rainy, it sounded like they were looking for new members for the cold weather leak. So, you know, just wanted to put the bat signal out

here in case anybody's interested. Yeah, for sure. And I took home some literature. So I think that's something I'll make a decision on. I love the 18th hole. Yeah. That was a great 18th hole, great finisher. I thought from seven onward, it made total sense.

I think that there was one, there was one hole though that like I don't know. I could play it 10 times. Uh, you guys probably know the whole number. Um, I should, I should look it up, but like, like I have no idea where, where the fuck to drive it, where the fuck to hit your, like I just don't know what, I just don't have to play the whole. And I looked at it on satellite since then and I'm like, how fuck do you play this whole?

I think it was like 13 or 14. I don't know. Can we take that off on? Sir, I don't know how to play. I simply don't know how to play the whole. I don't know what I want you to do. Well, I would point you to number six at Visby TC and say, that's what makes it great.

You got to just figure it out, man. It's awesome. It's awesome. you come on. What are you missing the point? And then we went over to Lung Hueson's golf club after kind of down the road, more of the artisans golf club. They've got some really, really cool old school holes,

really like along the coast there that felt certain ways very similar to what you'd find kind of on that that Northwest England coast like that was like the thing like falster book kind of reminded me of of Lidham a little bit you know with all the bunkers and kind of having to navigate that and then certain parts of Long Hussins kind of reminded me of you know like a Westlinks or something like that just you very, a little bit more rough and tumble, but some really cool greens. And then great flag in that area of Sweden as well.

The combination of Swedish flag and the Danish flag put together. So that is it for, we went back to Copenhagen that night, right? Yeah, we spent one more night in Copenhagen and then packed up and came back across the bridge. One final time to go up the west coast of Sweden now. And the next stop on our journey there was a place called Barsabak. TC take us to Barsabak.

Yeah, Barsabak is up on, it's about, I don't say half an hour, 45 minutes north of the bridge. So you start going up the west coast of Sweden there on the east side of the straight. And Barça back, they've got a pretty good history of big time events there. It's a, you can tell, it's a, it's a big dick players course. There's, it's in this pine forest. They've got two courses there. The pine course and the ocean course. The pine course or the ocean course used to be called something else. The masters course. The masters course because they've skinned any masters that are a bunch, I think. They've taken out no joke. 44,000 trees. I know I kept pressing on that. I just I couldn't wrap my head around. I thought it was 33,000.

Whatever it was, I you know anything over 10,000, I just couldn't really comprehend how you could fit that. There's still a lot of trees on that property. Like it just blew my mind, but I think it did wonders for the course. Yeah, and they they had the the 2003 Soulheim Cup there where you're upbeat. You know, I'd states and it's you know, you get a little bit of taste of the coast down kind of on there's like three or four holes down below where they kind of curve around, you know, on this this kind of flat part. But the rest is mainly played up in this pine forest, where it seemed like the old owner and talking to people, I guess the old owner, kind of like Ravisolo, Dej, in Nashkago, like the guy just loved trees and he just kept planting trees. All these like non-native

trees, all these hardwoods in this pine forest. I couldn't stop planting trees. Yeah, like ruined all the corridors and all the connectivity between the course and it just turned into like, you know, 18 holes that were essentially just cut off from one another. And so they just cleared out all the underbrush, taken out all these trees.

I really didn't know what to think. It felt big and big and bold at first. Kind of like big and, you know, a little bit like that kind of Medina hazel teen at first. And then you start, you get to like four, like you start seeing some cool features on the greens. And then it just keeps getting better and better and better as you go along.

Starting with like four, five, six, like seven was awesome. Was that the one with the tree? Yeah. Like right in the middle of the fairway. And then Ludwig met us on the eighth hole on the eighth tee. And I was totally star-shier. Who is Ludwig through those that are maybe are not familiar?

Ludwig, is it an oberg or oberg? Ludwig, Oberg will say he's the number one amateur golfer in the world future European rider cup star, Texas tech red raider guns up and just an absolute flusher. So he hung out with us that afternoon there and yeah, I just I don't know. I really, I really, really enjoyed it. It was the kind of course that the it's greater than the some of its parts and you can tell that they're really, they're really putting money into it and trying to kind of get it back to where, where it once was and make it the best version of itself.

Looking at the map, looking at the Google images, it was just kind of like, what's this one going to be? Like, what are we, what are we getting hyped for here? What's, what's the, what's special about this course? And even pulling up into the drive, it felt a little dated, a little 90s, a little bit like, yeah, this just kind of seems like kind of run of the mill. And it's like day nine of the trip or whatever. Yeah. So the energy's already like kind of a little low, a lot of driving. Yeah, it's like, yeah, I see the cool ocean holes down there. But what are we doing? I just like 33 other holes in these trees. Like what are we doing here? And I've tried to come up with some notes

and like an explanation into what really made it special. And I struggled with it. It was just really good solid design. It is not spectacular. It is not gonna photograph especially well. It is just subtle. Like the green shapes, the whole shapes, it fit my eye a ton into

where I hit the ball, the way I shape the ball, the opportunities, the challenges it presented. It was not easy. It was, it just struck a little something within me. It struck creativity. It was an eagerness to hit the shots. It was not fear of the challenge in front of us. It all felt very possible. Yet at times there was stuff that just bit you really hard of like a skinny little green, like the part three of the fourth hole. What is that? One of the early part threes was like a short little wedge, but it's like, do get it right. Or you're missing off to one of the sides of one of these greens and you're going to struggle to get up and down. And it unlocked an eagerness of wanting to play more golf and wanting to play the course again. And I cannot say enough great things about Barça Back.

It's just way more than what met the eye before we hit our first shots. And I hope that shines through on camera. I think it's just kind of something that's really hard to document because it just had some unspeakable thing to it that made it work. Yeah, I'm glad you said that, Tali, because I felt the same way. It just by the end of the round, I was like, man, that was a really enjoyable walk, a really enjoyable round of golf for me.

I think it was probably my second favorite course on the trip, and I'll just shout out like the stretch 13 through 17. It, at times at times again felt like Northern Michigan, Minnesota, that sort of golf and then you get to 17 and it's a par four kind of out towards the water and you can kind of see the water and there's these just gorgeous trees framing the hole and then I was like, God this You could tell me we're in northern California right now and I would believe it. It was a place that, as you said, everything was out in front

of you. It was kind of a place where if I was ever be struggling with my game, it'd be the type of place I want to go play because it's straight forward. The conditioning is excellent. And it just felt like, like if you can't regain confidence in your golf game there, where are you gonna do it? It was a joy to play. All the slopes and like, plateaus on the greens made sense, right?

Like it was asking you a clear question. Yeah, I felt like it was an excellent parkland golf course. And I think one of my favorites in the US is TPC Harding Park. And this reminded me a lot of that with the, I think the tree removal helped a ton with that feeling of you, the Harding Park kind of unspools around itself. And I felt like this course was routed and kind of, twisted and you're coming back around on the water.

17, I think is the best example, as you said, Randy, of like the tree removal impact, like seeing the water through the trees, this downhill setting, I think that was definitely a top three or four hole for me on the trip. Yeah, I feel like it's just as solid of a golf course as you'll find anywhere in the world, like just very parkland style, right? Like we've said it before, you kind of have to sometimes create two brackets for golf courses, like golf on the on the water and then, you know, golf inland. And this is like in hardy pockets, like it's near the water, but it's definitely not on the ocean or anything like that. So that's how I thought about this one.

I think it was a good example of, you know, the tree removal stuff, I think, gets a bad wrap with, you know, people who haven't thought all the way through it. And, you know, it's not like people just hate trees. I think it's, it's a group, just such a good way to open up some of those vistas that you wouldn't have had otherwise. And really, like, showcase the trees that you leave behind, you know,. Rather than feeling like some of these forests, you're just getting absolutely snuffed out, and it almost feels like claustrophobic. When you have too many trees, when you thin them out a little bit, all of a sudden you start noticing, oh my god, what a bunch of really freaking cool trees. That's how I felt about that place.

I do want to call out number seven, TCE mentioned earlier, but just to give it a little bit more of a description. Short dog leg left par four with this loan. I don't know, Cypress tree, small tree left right in the fairway at about 100 yards out. And I just agonized over the decision off the off the tee. It just impacted the entire strategy of the whole. And it's perfectly placed and that's all I'm going to say about it. Like 13 had kind of similar thing like tree up the right and you had to, you had to think

about your angle off the T in order to kind of work back from the second shot. So yeah. And then watching, watching Ludwig, just pipe like 335 yard drives that like didn't have any spin on them was just absolutely majestic. Like he's going to be like a top 10 player in the world for the next 25 years. It's crazy. That's a lot of words you just said. I'm kind of echo PC.

I was very impressed by this game. So put it. Put it 2027 2047. I'm going to put a yeah, look how it is. How are you? We got one for 2026 coming off on more. All right, I'll say maybe maybe 20 years, not 25 years, 20 years, okay. depends what happens. No, there's a couple other court, you know, exactly. Couple other courses up in this area. Well, hey, there's a there's a decommissioned nuclear power plant right down the road from this place that you can see.

Very inspirational for me. I love playing amongst, you know, infrastructure like that. A couple other courses up in this area of Sweden, Valda, which is kind of a link style, like built on, you know, kind of an inland links. And then homestod as well, homestods, another one that's, you know, kind of an inland links, and then homestod as well, homestods, another one that's, you know, by all accounts of a wonderful golf course. So we didn't hit either of those.

We continued up the coast, pretty long drive up, I was like three, three or four hours up to through Gothenburg and then up to Fjallbaka, Grebistad area, where we played Fjallbaka golf club, which might have the coolest logo. It looks like a Japanese like karate gojo. That's like truthfully. I know. That's people like that.

That's what I'm saying. But it's like, no, no, that's exactly what it looks like. And it's like this weird, weird place with like amongst the rocks and a river and a creek running through it. I mean, it's, it's, wow, it kind of like defies anything. Yeah, the landscape reminded me of the, like, the foothills of the fjords. Like they're, they're not fjords, or maybe they are, but they're like kind of, you

know, it's like, we're not, we're not into the Rockies yet, but we're in the foothills. And, and it was a taste of what's to come up in Norway. When it's, it's, to set the scene, everyone that we had talked to about the golf course kind of had like, uh, yeah, where are you guys going? How we're going to sound? So we're going to feel back. Okay. Really.

Really. And it was. I was, I was nervous based on that. And I was, you know, heard it's quirky. Heard all kinds of things. I think there's maybe three to four holes that you could totally throw out, just total no-goes, like totally the reason why somebody said,

huh, really? There was like three to four holes and I'm very fine never playing again. But the remaining like 14 were a fucking thrill ride. It was awesome. It was like a little bit, a teeny tiny bit of cullin in it in terms of like the huge rock formations you're playing amongst in the cliffs and things like that. Yet it was a big boy golf course compared to that. I mean,

it was, you know, I had really interesting green shapes and contours and whole designs and big elevation changes and some really fun, weird cool Kirk quir quirk, I mean, there was like a 250-yard drive all par four that you weren't allowed to drive because it played over another tee. And it was written in the book that it was forbidden to drive over the rocks onto that green. And perhaps the perhaps. I'm looking for that.

I kind of have a problem with that before being on. Thank you, Rob. Don't tell me how to play a whole, you know? Yeah, it's a local rule. They can make up local rules however they want. I had a problem with that. I don't want to say we weren't welcome there. They're just not used to tourists coming there.

I don't think I did not get that sense. It was very much a, what are you do? Why are you here? It was a neighborhood is a neighborhood golf course. It would be like a film crew showed up at Jack's Beach. They're like, oh, like, all right, cool, man. But you're, you got to get in line. Like we have men's league.

Yeah, I get a lot of going out. Like I don't know what you're, what you're doing. They're not, they're not trying to recruit, they're not trying to recruit visitors. They're not trying to recruit tourists. They're not trying to recruit tourists. It's just like a bang in neighborhood golf course. It was like 60 bucks, I think, to play it. It was the way I had it kind of described in my head

was like very, very complicated land and very uncomplicated golf. And I mean that as complement in that like, there wasn't a bunch of crazy shit going on on every hole. It was like they fit the golf holes in where they could around kind of these rock formations and rivers and you know weird hills and stuff, but you know they didn't try to super it up to a million

outside of that. It was like there was one bunker on a hole and it was like hey this is dictating your strategy or there was one ridge in a green or something like that. It was very, very uncomplicated golf holes but just in a super stimulating setting. And it was awesome. Again, I mean, that is the biggest compliment

in that you don't need to spend, I don't think they spent a lot of money building this golf course and they got an awesome golf course out of it, if that makes sense. I really, really loved it. You pull up to, there's like this double-decker driving range with not a lot of spots. And then, like, but it's so low-lying, like along this

river thing, and then there, but there's also like all this exposed rock. And it doesn't really. Yeah, it's a rugged coast. The west coast of Sweden is just, it's rugged rock. It's a rugged coast. The west coast of sweetness, just it's rugged rock. It's not a clean beach coast, right? It's like a little bit mountain. It's not quite like western Norway, but it's just not smoothed out. There's tons of little inlets, peninsula. It's it's basically like,

you know, that science photo that shows all the different types of lagoon, creeks, lakes, cliffs for it's kind of like that. Although it's got a little bit of everything, saying bars, all those memes go around like, I wouldn't live here when I grow up. Like that's kind of what it looks like on the west coast. It was similar to Maine, like golf I've played in Maine, where you go up the coast and it's rocky as hell, but then there's these lowline kind of marsh areas and your couple hours south of

Oslo. So I think a bunch of people, you know, a bunch of Norwegians have bought, you know, vacation homes down on this coast and everything. I don't know, just a really, really interesting area of Sweden and starkly different from anything we'd seen over on the East Coast, you know, very maritime, very kind of main or like Pacific Northwest. Can I say one thing just to be fair and balanced here to the people of Feelbacca if you're listening? We've got to do better with the merch in the golf shop. I was ready to go spend about $8,000 on merch with that logo on it, the Japanese Dojo logo.

They had nothing. There was nothing in there that had, it's maybe the coolest logo I've ever seen in golf. They didn't have anything with it on there, which is probably good for my my pocketbook, but it was, it was very disappointing. It was pretty late in the season too. I think they're and I think it speaks like they're not expecting. They yeah, they just don't expect people from out of town, let alone out of country to come there and want to buy a bunch of merch. It feels like, you know, it feels like just a bunch of local people and I'm sure they all have a piece or two, but they're not trying to sell a ton to a tourist.

And I will say the place was running amuck with female golfers. I mean, I've never seen so many women golfers on a course at once. It wasn't like a women's league. It was like we're 30 out there. And we're 31. The whole is really paid. He did. He actually meets some nice people

that we talked to for quite a while afterwards that we're still very confused by the cameras and what we were doing there. But we had nothing but nice things to say about their golf courses. I think this course, it will be, this will be a staple on TC's tasting menu for years to come, right? This is a dish that people just

It should work, but it just hits every time. That's right. It's like Colin man. It's like Colin or You know any number of other different places we've been I guess this was definitely the one that I was like all right Like we're gonna throw some weird shit against the wall and see if it sticks. And and then we're gonna play, we drove up after there, we were gonna play, we did some other fun stuff in the area, which you'll see. And then drove up to Oslo from there, we're gonna play Oslo Golf Club. Golf in Norway is very nascent, right? It's not a whole lot of, it hasn't, Norway is very nascent, right? Like it's not a whole lot of, it hasn't, you know,

there's not been a big golf culture in Norway for more than, you know, a couple of decades. So if that, there seems to be kind of a growing groundswell with hovelin and others that are coming up. And so we drove into Oslo, first of all, the tunnels under the mountains, just the infrastructure. Even when you cross the border, like you cross the border and, you know,

it's very official, you know, wasn't planning to get stopped crossing the border. Like, I thought it was a kind of open borders or whatever. And then, when you're going under these mountains and there's just these crazy, like industrial tunnels that are unbelievable. And then, I don't know, it's just such an interesting place. They have all the money. I mean, all of it. The West Fjords of Norway, I've been in a tunnel

that is 23 kilometers long, like 15 miles long that had roundabouts in it. It had like turns and had different options once you get in the tunnel to go different directions. I mean, the infrastructure, it is the infrastructure capital of the world. I may say Norway, the way they've connected that country in some of the rockiest, wildest terrain you can imagine.

It's frickin remarkable. Well, you kept saying that overbuilt vibe, we were talking about it great, norther, but just generally for the society. Like let's just, let's just max out here. We'll set a train through this one. We might as well be got money. You kept saying it's all it was such a good juxtaposition with like Ireland where you

go to some of these far-flowing places in Ireland. And it's just like, I don't know man, there's no fucking road. Just figure it out. And everywhere you go in Norway was just like every road is held to the same standard. Right? Like if we're putting a road in, it has to check this box, this box, and this box. And it has to be paved. It's got to be USGA spec bunkers and greens.

You know what I mean? It's yeah, everything's got to be right. And it was, yeah, it was really fun. We went to what's the airport called? Garden. Oh, oh, one in awesome. Like Oslo, Gardomont, which is like, I don't know, an hour and something. Very Denver airport vibes.

And way out there. Yeah, it's like 30 minutes. We took a 30 minute train. I guess I get too carried away. It's super, super impressive airport. And then we hop on a plane and we go to Boudou. And then for whatever reason in Boudou, they made us get like out of the airport,

go back through security. We almost missed our flight. He said, I got to get in. Kind of cut the line, got in there and said, hey, we got, I got six homeboys. Six, six of the homies are coming through. You got to hold this flight. And he was like, yeah, for sure. Of course, I'll do that.

I was like, huh? Well, yeah, you should have called the best to get on that plane. It's in real world. Just come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll wait for you. So, you know, it was a bit more like getting on a bus than getting on that plane. It's in a more just come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll wait for you. So, you know, it was a bit more like getting on a bus than getting on a I was going to say it was it was we're six six of about 20 people on the truth. A total jumper. Yeah, which yeah, so Buddha is kind of up the kind of the last like outposts and then you

basically get out to take a ferry or a plane over to Lufaton and Yeah, we got there Most of our stuff arrived. Everythingidton. And yeah, we got there. Most of our stuff arrived, everything else arrived. You know, do you want to shout out Wittaro Airlines and he status with them? Yeah, Wittaro. They did a great job.

I thought they were fantastic. They've got a nice relationship going on with SAS, which is of course a Star Alliance member. So we get there and you fly in and you're like, holy shit, this is crazy. And then you drive what? An hour ish down to Lufurton links. And it is, there's not really a way to describe it. Like I tried to, this is the one place that I was like, all right, like, you know, I'm going to really get deep on, you know, the video that you did, Sally, the, all, you know, all the different articles about it, all the different Instagram accounts all that and like nothing prepared me for the place

You set the scene we're 96 miles above the Arctic Circle at this point I mean you fly you get on a plane in Oslo already a one of the northern most big cities in the world And you just fly directly north like you're just going further north and we only flew it and you just fly directly north, like you're just going further north and we only flew it for like three hours. Boota, and you change planes to fly further north out of into this little mountain range that Juts out into the sea that is,

it's just, it's so hard to describe. I went there five years ago and it did, like dawned on me, we went on this like midnight hike because the sun does not set there in the summer at all. We spent 10 days there or seven days there and the sun never set once and we went on a midnight hike and we got to the top of this The rain of bringing hike on top of this mountain and you can just see from miles and miles and miles on top of this and the Whole all the islands are are these mountains that just jut straight out of the sea they go straight up and the Brilliant nor region engineering as these connecting roads between these

Islands that I'm are kind of like in quotation marks because they really are just mountains that run along the base of these mountains and Connect all of these islands, and it's one of the most remarkable Scenes I've ever seen from up on top of that that mountain and again you go up further north in the island and there is this golf course up there that honestly just has no business existing because it's just not grass growing territory and it's a well documented place to this point, but yes, it's impossible to really describe until you see it. It almost feels like Hawaii, if you took all the tropical stuff away. You know what I mean?

It's just these, like you said, these volcano feeling things that just, these fingers that just pop up out of the ocean, it's impossible. It's like the North Shore of Oahu. It's like the North and like each short of Oahu, basically. And then there's a golf course there, which Froda built, it's like his family's land. And I had low expectations for the golf course.

I really enjoyed it. I thought it was awesome. Like I, I was thinking, all right, this golf course give me a total novelty and all that. Like no, like it was, it's a legitimately great golf course. Like there's, there's some, there's a lot of tall grass right off the, like right off the fairways

where that makes it very challenging. If you're not a decent player, if you're not, there's pure player for not your pure wetlands, they can't do anything about that. Like if you hit it into it, you lose your golf ball. I would call it like a definition of gunch. I've never seen anything like it. Like you step in it and you're going down a foot.

Like it is, it was probably, I think the hardest course we played. Some of that may be the fact that you're playing it. You know, it's light. It was light out for us to, you know, it stayed light out all night, but the sun went down for two or three hours. And so I don't, I think you get kind of used to it being very dim and not realizing how much of an impact that's having on you. Like, where am I going?

Like it's messing with your depth perception. Just the, just it's the middle of the night. So you're, yeah, what a unique experience playing golf, you know, and into Pass midnight and I love that golf takes you to places you never go otherwise and I think the best embodiment that before I went to Lufoten was car right just on the edge of the world in Ireland Northwest Ireland and. And I think this is, you know, right up there, maybe tops that as far as like, man, how are we playing golf here? So I love experiences like that. I love when golf feels more like hiking or cross country trekking than it

does like a country club experience. And I think that Lovatoon checked all of those boxes for me. And it was just a place. I mean, the golf course, like you said, Tron is, you know, I, I was in the same boat. I kind of thought it would be a little bit of a novelty and, you know, we're fitting this in where we could get it in sort of sort of situation. And honestly, if that was the case, I, I still would have been fine with it, right? Like it almost doesn't even matter if the golf course is good or not.

You know, and there certainly are some like really legitimately cool good good holes out there. But again, it almost doesn't even matter. When you're walking around a place like that, it's just man, this is one of one. This is the only place in the world that looks and feels and sounds and smells and everything like this. The colors that you see on the flowers, the views you see of the rocks, the way the sun just kind of hovers in the sky, the like the food, the people, the everything, like it is the definition. I know we're two and a half hours into this podcast,

but like, man, if you're gonna plan a trip like three years from now, you're going to get on all these airplanes, you're gonna pack up all this stuff. Like this is so obviously the place to go, right? I mean, it is, it's unlike anything you're ever going to find anywhere else. And I will say to your point, Donel, there is so much to do in Lufton that this is like the goal. You could go take a trip there in rent clubs, like you don't need to haul your stuff there. It's, it's. It's the first time I played there, I went there just to go explore the islands with some buddies

that did not play golf. And I was just like, guys, you gotta come play this place. Like I know you're not golfers, we'll rent some clubs, like the owner's really cool, just let's go play. Let's go do this. We'll stay there for a night and I promise you're gonna enjoy it. And they absolutely loved it. And I was there in June at that time.

And it's impossible to describe this phenomenon of the sun is setting obviously to the west. And it's out over the ocean and you're playing golf and it's 130 in the morning. And you're just watching it like dive, dive, dive towards the horizon like the sun does every night. And you don't know when it's going to start happening, but it never comes close to the horizon

and it just starts rising again. And that's just the way the earth tilts to the northern part during the summer months. And it just starts going, going to get it. And at three o'clock in the morning, it's as bright as any moment, the brightest part of your day, whatever day you're listening to this, it's brighter at three o'clock in the morning. And it's outrageous phenomenon. And it's, I was just like, I'm gonna play 54 holes. I'm never gonna go to bed. You get very exhausted very quickly, which I found out, but it was such a thrill to be just standing on a green at 230 in the morning completely.

The place to yourself, the only sound you hear is the wind. It's just an outrageous, outrageous place. It's just kind of like a, it's very, my attitude towards travel, especially when I lived abroad was very binary. It was like, dude, you are either going to visit this place in your life or you're not. It gets extremely binary. So like, how do you make it happen? How do you go see somewhere like this and not just only hear about it?

And if that leads somebody, listen to this, to go take a trip or somewhere that they've never thought they'd go, I hope it affects one person because that kind of impact has had a big, that kind of thinking has had a big impact on my life. And I was just so thrilled we all got to experience that together because that was the perfect book into this trip. It can't be overstated how nice. Well, that's what I was going to say too. From like whether it's a spousal perspective or whatever, that's where I get back to the golf course. Like it doesn't fucking matter, man. Yeah, it is good and that's a great positive but it's like you could also go fishing or biking

or hiking or just go forage for mushrooms or go to, you know, or horseback riding or never leave the cabin and just sit and look at this screen saver all day. You know, you want to say like anything else about the lodging and kind of what they built for the Northern Lights and stuff. Well, it's, yeah, it's just like these cool cottages and you know, they're all like,

it was like the blogging abandoned. I mean, it's just like really well done and thoughtful and massive windows. And like, I woke up, like, I couldn't go to bed one night, our last night and I woke up at like 2 a.m. and there's a fox running down the street. And I just I just opened my window and sat there for like, or open the door and just sat there for like 20 minutes.

It was the quietest 20 minutes of my life. I don't think I've ever heard or felt anything quite like that sense of peace. There it was, it was was yeah. I want to shut out two things. First, the, solid what you were saying about the sun, it did go below the horizon, but the way that it changed, the lighting changed the vibe of the course so much like at some points during the round, I felt like I was in Arizona. I felt like I was in the desert. And just the way that the colors and the way that it lights up the world around you

is just something I've never experienced before. And two, I want to shout out the first hole that folks, and I would like to call it the Tim Wakefield of golf holes. Like it's just throwing, I can't hit it, man. I can't, I don't know why I can't hit this knuckleball. I can't hit it. It's just throwing, I can't hit it, man. I can't, I can't, I don't know why I can't hit this knuckleball. I can't hit it. It's unbelievable. Let's go to $60 an hour.

Well, I'm walking. It's like, how can he just keep throwing me this, this cheddar, this meatball, and I can't hit it? So that hole will stick with me forever. One other shout out to the, the Hoven, the restaurant there, that's like this old kind of big barn. We had a bunch of meals there. It was fantastic.

The ladies working in there, the food was exceptional quality, great fish. Just, yeah, cool, like, it was a whole mountain itself. Of course, of course. It can't be overstated on the food side of things. How like, and granted, I know we went to a lot of, you know, especially like the places we had reservations.

We went to like some nice places, but just an immense amount of pride taken in every single meal we had. It was crazy. I feel like we, you know, it was very much like, if we're open for business, we are doing this the right way, everything. And that extended to,

I think that's probably a larger metaphor for Scandinavia, but that extended to the travel and the lodging and checkings at the toll booths. Just like everything was very, very, there was a lot of pride being taken and kind of everything that was done, but the food was kind of where it shone through the most. The logo at Lufoten.

What do you guys think? It was polar, not for me, but I understand. There's a story behind it, but not something that I'm super into. Oh, well, the logo, I think, is... I get what they were trying to do, and it's... I think it's Mucho, not not good, but I think I'm in which is the midnight sun. I'll throw what they were what you're going for. I'll throw a positive vote for it. That's a little star. It's a little star worthy. It looks a little tattooed.

Kind of a lucky man. I'm in. Yeah. What did you think, Randy? What was your experience? Oh, I was just going to say just gonna say, we talked about stuff to do. I would so encourage people to make the hike up to the top of Hove Mountain. We did that the last afternoon and the payoffs with the scenery was just incredible. So, so happy we were able to do that. And if you do find yourself there besides playing golf

get out and go for a hike. The scenery, the views are just truly majestic. And if you don't have that take away from watching the final episode then DJ pot, we're sending DJ pile on his way. If you can't make that drone footage work then then you serve no no purpose here, sir. I'm sorry. And I will say just kind of circling back to the beginning when you inevitably go Google loafatin' links after this. The first photo that comes up with all the northern lights in the background, that's Jacob's photo.

Like that's that that Jacob's a bad bad dude. Wow. When it comes to the the photo world. And so I promise you're going to be familiar with this work quickly. And case that doesn't translate very well, that's a compliment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just to be just to be clear. Right. Thank you. Yeah, you feel like you're up on the edge of the earth. And then you kind of are, because it took, it was five flights to get home for me and a six and a half hour drive.

Which is also the Sweden. I mean, we drove through a rainstorm and then dark at night. It was probably the scariest drive I've ever done. We had some we were pumping the Metallica, you know, we got to make it, you know, we can't stop. We got to go. We're hydroplane in 18 wheelers or our it was beast mode. It felt like driving into Mordor like lightning darkness crazy looking clouds. So I will remember that as well. Yeah, the Swedish interstate. It's like two lanes and then there's passing lanes like every, you know, a couple thousand meters or whatever. It's it was gnarly. But uh, so that was that was the trip. I guess just general themes. What really like I'll ask each of you guys. What was your biggest misconception? Scan and avian general, but probably more specifically Sweden. Like what was your biggest misconception heading into the trip that didn't turn out to be? I'll just say from my experience in continental Europe, all of the golf is private and very much like

take a test to be certified to be able to play golf and it's very much viewed as rich man sport, Germany, France, Netherlands, like it's not. And I guess I was just expecting that technically this being continental Europe. And it was not like that. It was very approachable GBNI model of very inexpensive and huge amount of the population plays this sport. And that was something I did not know going in and was very pleasantly surprised to learn about their culture. Yeah, I would second that on a golf perspective, just more from a from an actual course perspective, I didn't expect there to be quite so much GBNI influence. And a lot of the kind of old classic style golf courses, I was picturing a little bit more like

Bruhuff and kind of more modern big broni golf courses. And there was a lot of charm and a lot of kind of small intimate spots within, which is, which was great. I'll use that to jump off to a wider point. I think the Swedes, especially, I know like efficiency and directness are two things you're going to get dealing with the people. And I think I had a perception that that could come across just very cold and maybe unwelcoming in a certain light. And it could not have been, I could not have been more wrong on that perception. Yes, they are very efficient, they can be direct, but I felt so welcomed and there was a warmth throughout all of our stops and all of our interactions and

that was just wonderful to get to experience. Well, I was a simple one I mentioned earlier just that Saunas are not just heat, it's hot and cold. So that was a misconception that I had. I think mine was probably, I'd never really spent much time in Denmark. I'd flown through there before, but I really liked the rivalry between the Swedes and the Danes and the Norwegians. And, you know, basically it was, it was summed up for us. I was like, yeah, the Finns are up there. And like, they're probably drinking and doing their song. I'm like, nobody really knows what the hell they're doing. But they're like pretty reliable. And, you know, you can

kind of, you know, figure it out with them. All the Swedes were like, yeah, you got to watch yourself with the Danes, like the Traders man. They're there. Yeah, yeah. And then everybody to a tee was like, yeah, and the Norwegians, like they just want to go hike. They just want to go out in nature and like they're just happy, man.

They're rich, they're happy, they're outdoorsy. And they just want to like go find some. It almost had a bit of a, because I guess because everything's fairly close proximity, obviously Sweden and Norway stretch way, way, way up to the north, but almost like a college football kind of rivalry, right? Like your conference rivals,

the way that they got a caricature each other in a fun way, it was, I was digging it. It's kind of like Wisconsin and like Minnesota, you know? I will say it was a I felt a noticeable difference going from Sweden into Copenhagen and how nice the Danes were in Copenhagen. Just like the servers, the people in general, not the people in Sweden were not. It was just like a a cheerier, funnier atmosphere in Copenhagen than what we experienced in Stockholm. That was that was very noticeable. All right. Well, let's wrap it with some parting thoughts,

parting things that didn't fall into the buckets what we talked about from our experience. TC, why don't you start us off? Gosh, the subway system in Stockholm. I can't get enough of it. I could ride around on that subway all day long. All the stations are different artwork and it's like the world's largest art museum, essentially.

It's the coolest, and it tells the story of Swedish history and in each neighborhood that that station is in between that. And the dinner that we had the first night at Anandtees, as well, which people will see in the first episode. Those two things are just that kind of sticks with me, and I'm dying to go back to Lufoten and I'll play a little bit of golf, but I'm dying to like go back there and hike

and do everything plus a little bit of golf. I will say just kind of empty in the notebook here, massive fan of the Swedish Fika culture. They have kind of these mandated cultural coffee breaks just built into the day, almost like a, you know, a Ciesta, but for coffee, massive fan of that can't get enough and would sign your petition to adopt that immediately in the United States. I think the other thing I was worried I was going

to get E. Coli because I ate so much tartar, just so much raw beef throughout all of Scandinavia, big fan of that. And I think biggest lasting kind of thing in the back of my mind is Copenhagen and need to get back there in either a golfer non-Golf capacity as soon as humanly possible. I will echo just wanting to get back to the cities for me. I absolutely found Stockholm, Copenhagen, Oslo, premier world-class cities that I could spend a week in each destination exploring all that, or at least as much as they can offer to me. I, the gin and tonics, I just struggled to order them back stateside because they were so delicious

and, and really the gin and tonics and made that first night at their apartment and Stockholm. the gin and tonics and made that first night at their apartment in Stockholm. It's as good as it gets going into the trip. I was so excited to see the cities of Scandinavia and they Not only kind of lived up to what I was hoping they would be but We went in the middle of summer. I'm there's a type of place where I like, I'm not sure life or the world gets much better in late July, early August, then in Scandinavia. And I just was so taken with the surroundings

and the city life. And that's, that's just what I remember above and beyond any golf. It just is such a cool place to go see and experience. Honestly, a big takeaway for me was, you know, I think my golf trips and my culture trips are two separate things. I don't usually do both at the same time. I don't, you know, go experience cities and play golf. It's kind of like I'm going to Scotland or Ireland or somewhere.

I'm playing 36 a day if I can, you know, mixing in some 18 whole days. This was kind of blending both of those. If I went back, I wouldn't need to take my golf clubs. I enjoyed the golf a lot, but I enjoyed the part I liked the most was just experiencing this part of the world in that stretch of time. It is just awesome. Sitting out by the river in Copenhagen, riding bikes around Copenhagen,

the most vivid images I think I have of the trip. And it's just a, my affinity for Europe has been well documented. And I think that's going to just shine through in general and how just delightful. It was to flip the cameras on and document that part of the world in summer because it's special. Yeah, I think this B was kind of the highlight for me as I would love to go back there with my wife and I could spend a week on that island playing golf, going to the glamping, going to the Haft of Beach House. I thought that was just a perfect encapsulation of summer in Scandinavia for me. Also the car ferry just kind of had all of it there for me. And there's, you know, it's great to get out of your comfort zone with things like when you get home, I was thrilled to get home and have a shower door. Like little things like that.

There's something about, it's kind of all over Europe, but I noticed that all the hotels we stayed at, there's small bathrooms and there's just a curtain and the floor is just a continuous tile floor. So the water gets all over the bathroom and it's just one of those little things of like cultural difference you'd never really think about of like what it was kind of very frustrating for me because I don't like it when the whole bathroom gets wet and I like to take a lot of showers. So that was, you know, little things

that make you appreciate coming home. There were a few of those, but I think overall, it was a fantastic trip and I'm glad it was a perfect mix of both golf and non-golf activities. And probably should say a huge shout to our sponsor for this season, which is Precision Pro, who've been a sponsor for Torres Stas. Now this is their third year in a row.

They've sponsored it. And it was a big endeavor in their support of us and our operation has led us to making this happen. So we really appreciate that. And that'll shine through in the videos as well. So big thanks to BMW and original Penguin as well for kind of some of the stuff they furnished. One other thing, the breakfast,

I like every time I go over there, the breakfast scene is so good. But that's exactly right. The cheese danishes lived up to the name in Copenhagen. Unbelievable at the hotel Kong. I got that cheese Danish Kongs away and I loved it. Kongs away. And then like I think the like overarching,

resounding thing like when I landed back, I flew through London on the way back and then landed back at dollars. I mean like that subterranean fucking like, custom, you know, like US customs and immigration or whatever, like dungeon downstairs. And I'm just like, yo, like, what are we doing? Did you ride the Mars rover from terminal to terminal at Ellis as well?

God, what a ridiculous inter terminal transport system they've got. I kind of feel that so deeply. I had that exact same feeling at Newark. It just, yeah, back back in New Jersey. I felt like I was, I was, you know, trying to kick a heroin habit or something. Like go through withdrawal. The soon as we, as soon as you got back into the US,

just like, what, what, wait, this, no, no, no, this gave me it. What are we doing? What do we got? Come back here. Did you guys have a bad experience getting home or something? No, no, no, no, this gave me it. What are we doing? What are we doing? We got to come back here. Did you guys have a bad experience getting home or something? No, no, no, it's just I'm getting home. Oh, God, it all.

I didn't know if we want to talk about that because that, listen, we had a little breakdown. It was a 30-day silence. We were past a 30-day window on just a, we sat on the tarmac for four and a half hours, but you're not supposed to be able to sit on the tarmac for four and a half hours, but you're not supposed to be able to sit on the tarmac for more than three hours. And we did. And they had to bring us back deep plane. And we did, we took off after midnight, after what was already 24 hour travel day to that point. So rolling in, rolling home at 4 a.m. was a tough, tough way to finish the trip. Did you tweet about it? I did not.

I did you tweet at the very last. I asked her about the US custom experience, even like whether you're like, you know, US citizen or not, like just, they just don't, it's just a race from the plane. And you get out into these big halls of JFK or Newark and it's like, dude, figure it out for yourself. No one's there to help and these lines are crazy. And with that, we will sign off on our season eight TaurusSauce recap podcast.

You of course can watch that on our YouTube channel. If you're listening to this now, it comes out October 26th and we'll be airing every Tuesday night at 8 p.m. I believe. We'll clarify that all that information on Twitter as we go for but every week through the end of the year you can find Torah sauce on YouTube so thank you everyone for tuning in and we'll see you back here soon cheers That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.