No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 618: Mayakoba Recap

Episode Date: November 7, 2022

Russell Henley wins by four strokes at Mayakoba for his fourth career tour win. We look at Henley's consistent performances on tour, the week for other notable finishers in the field and some interesting comments from Collin Morikawa. Then it's on to the latest news from the LPGA, the TGL made for TV event series, the latest iteration of The Match featuring Tiger and Rory against JT and Spieth, plus an interesting grab bag of listener questions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Raising incredible efforts raising a lot of money for charity and a lot of fun playing a lot of different golf events both organized through our message board, the refuge, as well as events that we've organized in different places and it all culminates into that, crowning a champion for the years, the third year we've done it, very busy with that this past week and not watching a lot of golf, gonna issue that disclaimer right now.

I don't feel as bad about it because I went to go check like the PGA tour socials, like get caught up on what happened today. They're mailing it into. They're totally not, they were like two highlights from Russell Hemley's round today. That's all I got for it. I have no idea what happened to turn it today. Well, I just don't bury the lead.

I mean, we tried to get world ranking points for the NIT, number one, didn't get back to us on that, but I want to shout out big randier. 54, 54 whole event. Oh, it's 72 whole events. Well, I'll be two later. Everyone plays 54 holes and then there's a cut. There's, so there is a cut, but 54 whole shotgun event

that everyone plays it. And it's like 92 people in the field too. The differences people do qualify for it. Yeah, exactly. So anyway, you know, 96, 100 people and crowned our third champion, Mr. Big Randier, hailing from the Orlando area. So shout out to him.

He's getting to wear the NIT jacket for the next year, joining young hitter Lauren Coglin. And of course, JCO, our guy, now in Texas, I believe, but hailing from the Mississippi state. Very, very popular winner, both within the Kell House and just, you know, across the field, across the refugee at large. He does a lot down here in Florida, organizing events,

and just a true gentleman of the game. So he's, and, yeah. Edging out a very, what would have been a very unpopular way? Which is our very own Chris Sisolman here. Big, big Randy Qualified into the, into the championship flight. I mean, it was a sweepstakes out there. Of course, looks so good. I think we were due for, for some good luck on the weather after last two years, really last year was tough. Trevor Hughes, the superintendent, Bruce Moller, whole staff of reject speech. Just awesome. Hats off, guys. It was a dream weekend.

And if people want to qualify for this in the future, where can they find out more about the Nest? Events.noLangup.com has all of our events stuff that'll be updated with 2023 stuff, probably end of this month. And yes, if you want to attend the NIT, if you qualify for it, you become a Nest member that's at noLangup.com forward slash join.

And then if you know, we're going to do a Nest part about all this. So we'll move on to the pro golf here with my a coba. I do want to shout out the sponsor, maybe a new mega corp in the house world. What is it worldwide technology? Like sick. Sounds very vague. Very, very, very prestige worldwide ish there. So that's good stuff.

Solid, your point on the fall series stuff. Like, you know, the tour wants to take the gambling money, but then they don't want to do shot tracker, or they want to take the gambling money and then they don't want to do PGA tour live, you know, in the fall. And it's like, guys, like, you can't, like, you got to make a decision.

Are these real tournaments or not? For the people that say they don't like the tiered PGA tour I've, you know, in the fall and it's like, guys, like you can't, like you got to make a decision. Are these real tournaments or not for the people that say they don't like the tiered PGA tour system. What would you call this? There's no PGA tour live. There's no ESPN plus streaming. There's no shot tracker. There's horrible television windows for it.

There's minimal camera. This is a bottom tier event. Like that's what it is. It got to go some decent players in it. This is one that it's always a good, good purse too. And like a relatively good tournament. It honestly seems to be, of course, it's not the same level of like perbuta.

Like I mean, they had Victor Hovlin, they had Colin Morecala, Scotty Sheffler, they had some really good players this past week. And it's, you know, a relatively strong quality win. I think we're gonna have a Hovlin question here in a little bit that it's kind of a bit of a gap in the Hovelin resume that this is like the event that he cleans up at in terms of he's wrecking a PJ tour wins here. We'd like to see him do it in a little bit stronger fields. But for a fall series event, this is slightly above the line, I would say, in terms of,

you know, if we divided him in half, which is staggering. Like that's a staggering thought that this past weekend. And then like, I mean, next week, looking at the TV windows, it's on one to four p.m. Thursday through Sunday for Houston. It's like, all right, we're going to get 12 hours. Like, what's the point of having a tournament? It's just, I guess, well, it's bizarre. They and for it, I don't know how. So I would say shout out to Russ Henley. But things that jump out to me kind of, you know, going down the leaderboard. This is like the all anonymous, the all all anonymous all stars of like these are the guys on the leaderboard that could walk into any airport, a restaurant. They've made millions of dollars. They're top tier

tour players and nobody would know who they are. Russell Henley, Brian Harman, Scotty Sheffler. I feel like of all the top 10 guys, Sheffler's probably the one that could still get away with just not getting recognized in an airport. Troy Merritt, Joel Damon, the pastor. Like these guys are all like perennial top 10, top 20 guys, multiple wins. And just like, I think that's a strong learboard as someone who watches a lot of golf. I was like, oh man That's a pretty stacked board right there, but when I think about like anybody that doesn't watch golf like they have no idea who these guys are They're just you know, it's just it was a kind of a funny funny leaderboard to me in that way And the second thing I'll say is probably not our favorite tournament not something that we were you know

Itch and a watch like on the plane when there's a red zone option. So shout out to American. And red zone. Yeah. Red zone on American Airlines. I was saying I got a name. It was pretty sweet. But then it went out shout out to American.

That's I've never seen it. It was sweet. But if you change channels, it took like 10 minutes to get back into the platform. So I'm sorry. 35,000 feet was slightly difficult to watch. Yeah, it could have been a little commercial free football action, but that was the red zone of sweet. Uh, I want to say that my coba has maybe the coolest trophy in,

in the, in the chameleon, the chameleon on, on the wood platform. I mean, that, that deserves a shout out. So the people are going to be all up in your ass. Well, okay, so we'll call it a top five trophy. You know, I don't, I don't know. We may, we may have to do a power ranking of trophies, but this, this, I don't know, this multi-colored reptile that Henley's holding up is, is, you know, a good picture with no context of like, what is this a pro golf tournament? What are we doing here? Like, that's good stuff.

TC, can you help me place Henley's career? Because I think we've said this in the past. I honestly, I'm done three times. I think we have. And I still can't figure it out. I was stunned to learn that he hadn't won since 2017 because I feel like he I feel like he clips off a you know, or as Cat would say, clicks off an event here and there almost annually. He has truly one of the best iron players on tour, like his iron improvement from 2018, basically from 19 to 20, he's become one of the best iron players on tour, yet never feels like a threat in major championships, never feels like a threat in big events. He's just like the king of like middle tier events.

I really struggled to play because he seems like an incredibly solid golfer and I don't know where his game would go wrong, but it seems like he is limited to not even the small tier event, but just like he's truly medium tier. It's like his major record is incredible because he's never at a top 10 in a major out of 32 events. He has nine top 25s though. Like he has top 20s and I think all the majors.

So it's not like he's no showing him. And he's just, he's winning like, it's not Feaster Fam and like he won twice, you know, he won once 2013, it's not Feast or Famine. Like he won twice, you know, one once 2013, one once 2014, one in 2017. This was his first win in five years, but it's not like he went dormant for five years. He was like, he had a pretty good run. I mean, kind of like speaking of dormant, he literally wins on Bermuda. If I'm looking at it, Sony Open N O I Honda Classic, Shell Houston open. Was this Bermuda? Oh, is this past pal? I think it, yeah, I don't know. I think it might

be like a tropical kind of anyways. He's in grass. But a little bit like Brian Harman's game. I thought he was kind of a fitting runner up as well, where Harman just, you know, they don't really finish outside the top 100 on the PGA tour. They're, they're not going to bust down the door into the top 30 in the world. They're just like consistently like 50th to 130th in the world and you know, do not run the risk of losing their card or they're just human ATM machines that can walk through an airport and not be recognized, which is kind of the dream, right?

I think we've talked about this in the past of like a great can walk through an airport and not be recognized, which is kind of the dream, right? I think we've talked about this in the past of like a great example of like, man, I would love that guy's career. Like, you don't have to deal with the, yeah. The fame issues, but you're also like, your job security year to year. Like, I don't think he's ever, I think, I don't think you're giving him enough credit.

I feel like he's always in the like top 70, you know, like he's never, I feel like we went through this a year or two ago. He's never been at risk of losing his card. No. Right. He's just, he's just like so solid making millions of dollars. But like, hey, man, I can just leave it, leave it a normal life. Kind of, kind of has the cheat code a little bit.

Career earnings for Russell Henley. Let's play. $24 million. I was going to be in that 18 to 20 range. I'll say, I'll say 20 million. You might be spot on TC. He was 22.4 before this event. I assume this was about a 1.5 win something maybe 1.4, 1.3 something like that. So just under 24 million if that's the case. So I promise I wasn't cheating. I believe you. If you're cheating on Russell,

him, career earnings, then we have a lot more we need to discuss. What's interesting is when he came out on tour, he was a really good putter. And honestly, since 2019, he's actually like regressed and putting and kind of been a negative putter. But another great feature on data golf sites, you can go and check out their skill profiles and you can go and click and like, see what their best year is. And I always enjoy again, just being that kind of surprise. You go back and you'll go and click and like see what their best year is. And I always enjoy just being that kind of surprise. You go back and you'll forget, like, oh shit,

I forgot how good Ricky's 20, whatever year was. We're also handling his best year, 2022. That was his best profile. Way above average and driving accuracy approach and around the green, below average and driving distance and in putting. And maybe that's the answer to the major championship question, right?

If he doesn't drive it that far and doesn't put it that great, then maybe that is what doesn't let him compete at the biggest tournaments. And it's wild like just going through. So he's his rookie year out of Toro was 2013 before they went to the wrap around schedule. I finished 44th and then he's never finished outside the top 100 in the FedEx cup. He's finished in 2017, 2018, he finished 96th, finished 87th twice and other than that, he's never finished worse than 63rd, which is a lot like Brian Harman's.

Brian Harman has never, his first year out on tour was 2012. He's never once finished outside the 94th. It's the lowest he's ever finished. And really he's only finished outside the top 60 like once or twice. I'd love to see a list of just let's, if somebody wants to put this together, it definitely will not be me of name every guy starting with Russell. Henley once he made it to tour to the tour name every guy who has kept their card for

that long. Kevin Nah, right? You'd be a Nah, you'd be just you you would be surprised, though, how small that list might be. Yeah, it's really, really would massively impressive. I think career earnings for Brian Harman, I would say, I'm going to go with 18, 18 million. I think he's like, I think he's like 28. Before, before this week, he was 24.83. So he's probably up in the 25s now.

So much money. And that's just official earnings. There's a live joke work processing in there, but we're gonna kind of try to keep it live free. I think this week we're really, we really aren't gonna try. But it's all we gotta, we gotta mention James Power.

Of course, stays very hot. Stays hot, really impressive performance there. I think we also have to mention Troy Power. Of course. Stay's very hot. Stay's hot. Really impressive performance there. I think we also have to mention Troy Merritt's outfit. I looked over at the TV screen on, I think, other Thursday or Friday, he was wearing one of the most egregious things I've ever seen. All black shoes.

No, it was like an all navy outfit, solid, like, you know, tuck it. But it was like all navy, but he had neon, like these neon shoulder stripes and then a matching neon like yellow, green belt. It was unbelievable. I would never do that. I would never disrespect the blout fit in such a way. All right. I wear the blout fit with great pride and almost brought me home the NIT. I had a comfort behind from way back where the blood was. I would probably say Troy Merritt is top of the list of worst dressed.

I mean, he's also seems to be trying. He seems to be trying to be the worst dress though. It is. I got out. Well, and now Leisha is gone, but Leisha and also with the eyes out stuff was among the worst we've seen as well. But but Leisha was just totally, he was totally apathetic. Yeah. So you're saying that merits like putting some effort into it.

Brian, strawberries, strawberries up there too. Brian J's up there as well. They just actually putting in a little bit of effort into looking horrific on the golf course. Yeah. This might be, yeah, this might be a good topic one for the future. We might have named everyone, but truly, we're stressed. So, we said your recommendations in the reply to the tweet for this pod said this year recommendations for worst dress golfer. We had a five way tie for third place between Scotty Sheffler who just found around 62, shown some signs of life.

I wanted to ask you guys any, are you buying or selling on Sheffler for 2023? I'm holding at the current price. I think the price has come down since the ridiculous run. It was inevitable like nobody sustains that run of golf for more than three to six months, except for the cat really. So that was inevitable. It's kind of like a, kind of like a rom like come down

when rom was dominating the world. It wasn't racking up nearly as many wins as Shephler did, but there's just gonna be a come down when Ron was dominating the world. He wasn't racking up nearly as many wins as as Shaffler did, but there's just going to be a come down into like this top five player, but not like run away, number one player in the world. So I think I think he maintains that. And probably we probably will sit here next year at this time and ask questions of like, hey, kind of disappointing season for Scotty Shaffler, kind of like we're doing with Moorakawa. And in reality, it's just probably closer to the reality than sustaining top level, top level golf. Roy's talked about it's hard to stay number one.

It's way harder to stay number one than it is to get to number one. So I hate, seriously hate like somewhat being a veteran at this now. I want to get over hyped and say he's going to win 10 majors like we all did with Roy. It's speed like eight years ago, but kind of seen it enough times now to know like, yeah, it's, it's a cycle.

It's just wild to see like, like compare him to say Victor Hovelin and like Victor Hovelin would need to like, Quinn topple his career output to even be sniffing Scottie, chef, were at this point. Well, it's cool to see him show up in a, you know, I guess we'd call it a second year event and play well. Shethler normally just shows up in the biggest events of the year, whether it's majors or, you know, winning waste management or match play. So I just, the numbers, the smart money would say, like, you're selling because that's a ferocious pace that nobody else has

been able to keep up. So why is it going to be him? You know, there's nothing, there's nothing about his game that's like, oh my God, that guy's the best at X. He's like the best at just, I would maybe put him in like the all hands crew of like around like he's touch around the greens has always been really, really impressive to me. But like the, and I love watching his swing, but there's nothing where like with Ram, like every time and Roy, like the way they hit the driver, just like, good God, man, like golf must be very, very easy.

I wish I knew what it was like to hit the ball that straight, not far. I don't feel that way with Sheffler with a specific part of his game. Top 25s he had in his first, his first 69 events on tour. Yeah, sure, I definitely do TC. But why don't you tell me just because you've got it close to nearby. 49. I mean, that's so many. Really? Like he had, so I mean, like he was, he was a rookie

in 2019, 2020. I tried to, you know, warn you guys about him. He had seven top 10s this first year, eight top 10s the second year, eight top 10s this second year. And then last year he had 11. So just, I mean, you know, I think it's almost just like, I might be buying actually. Like he's, he's kind of just paused.

He's not like regressing. He's just, no, that's what I'm saying. It's a whole, it's a breath, right? Yeah, it's a whole, like he was so good. We were screaming this too, leading up into the 2021 rider cup. Like he is beating fools on a regular basis. it's all like he was so good. We were screaming this too, leading up into the 2021 Ryder Cup. Like he is beating fools on a regular basis. He just is already one of the elite players.

So he's only playing the elite tournaments against the best fields. And it's just hasn't racked up a win yet. But when it comes, it's going to the flood gates going to open. Who does that? Who else does that sound like? Somebody else who racked up a bunch of wins this year. And he just like is a, he is a made in the lab data golf guy. Like he's a really freaking good player at golf. It's not, I agree with you, Neil. He's a big

big player. He is. He's not nothing. It stands out. It's approach play went way up in 2022. You know, kind of buoyed by that run in the beginning of the year. I expect a little bit of aggression on that front, but be I expect it would be around a two strokes game to player, which is one of the best five players in the world. He's right there with Rory, Cantley, Zander, and Ram, really, as the best strokes game and JT was among the best strokes game players in the world. All right. Fine. I got FOMO a hold as well, a holdle, as you would say, solid in your world. And then we had two more guys in that top. Sorry, three more guys in that top.

Or four, we had Toy Merit, the pastor, the aforementioned pastor. No, we had the prophet, the prophet. Sorry, I was thinking pastor, sure. Why do you call them prophet? I don't understand. It's from the show station, 11th, the guy that, it's not worth explaining to you guys, but it's a very, it's a very funny joke. And then we have Joel Damon, good morning, Damon. Just top it up the bank account before the off season here, 66, 65 on the weekend, makes just a ton of money. I'm happy, I'm happy

when Joel Damon makes money. Like, it's just because I know that's what that's what gets him hyped is like, hey, I'm out here make money, baby, and I'm like, cool, I'm rooting for you to make money. final round, but kind of clawed back into it after relatively tough start. And you know, he's off to a really, really good start. I think he's kind of promising young player and his career was kind of delayed a little bit the last couple of years. Just, you know, not being able to get status or just kind of not quite being able to get over the hump. So, and I'm sorry if you will. Yeah. Oh, he melts the ball. I'm solid if you will. Yeah. Oh, he melts the ball. Speaking of someone who absolutely melts the ball, David Lingmerf.

I knew that was going to be called the G8. G8, guys, I was anticipating that this would be one of those tournaments where you actually do want me to go down the leaderboard. This week. We're gonna have to cut you off at some point. No, we need it. T.C., we need an ining eater here.

Yeah, please help us get some air, fill us some air time here. But yes, great start to the season for Ligmurth. He's up in the top, I think 50 in the top. Coming off the freaking corn fairy tour. I mean, that guy, so so much grit, man. It's awesome. I truly, it warms my heart to see him.

Just get it, get it Monday qualifying and ball out like no fear unbelievable. Just relentless relentless confidence. And that's what's like, I guess I always have trouble translating this into the podcast and I don't want to like bore it. Bore people with like the people that have become our friends that you know, you're watching them go through their professional golf journey, but you play with a bunch of dudes down in jacks that are like you can go play with one on a typical day and like they're you play with Justin's hubon, you play with David Lingmer, like it doesn't it doesn't like look to your eye that you know, one of them is a perennial PGA tour player and one of them's not right? You just see they just look like they're in a blender altogether

and it's really hard to set the eye test does not do does not do the work in this front. So it's like it's so it's really hard to understand how do you keep going? Do you keep going to do give up? Do you keep going to give up? Do you keep going to give up? And like Lingworth just stuck at it for, there wasn't even a conversation about it. I don't think. He just was like, yeah, I'm just going to keep trying. I got no status. I'm just going to play past champs. I'll just play every golf term I can get in. I'll go play until I just will it into happening and it's starting to happen. And it's just awesome to see. I mean, there was for somebody that doesn't hit it far when you lose whatever it is that made you really good, your opportunity for success

is extremely limited. And so to refine that in a landscape that's ever expanding and emphasizing driving distance is just so impressive. And fighting injuries along the way too. Yes. But like I think that's why I do think this is a good golf course. It's a little bit different test. It's more of an iron players course. It's more of driving accuracy versus you just

give a shout out to Greg Norman. Was that true? Third like Greg. Yeah. You know, I probably, I mean, the course probably costs $75 million to build because he seems to just extort resort owners, et cetera. But no, it's kind of a nice change up to kind of the regular tour fodder that we see most weeks.

A couple other shout outs I had on the leaderboard. Sam Ryder, another guy that's just relatively consistent, keeps his card, lives here in Jax, kind of keeps a little profile Mavmic Neely putt in the shit out of it pretty good start in the fall season. They have libski shot 66 66 in the weekend I'd be remiss if I just mentioned that Taylor Montgomery continues to just come out absolutely firing as a pga toward rookie here after kind of two years of You guys be in the pride man rambling to get on Montgomery's block. I love it.

We've been on the, I'm saying the last, that last like two, three months, like watch out, watch out for Montgomery. He's put it here. Producing man. And that's not again, another one we're like, a couple of times, you'll see this again, to refer into my friends, a day to golf, you'll see this dude that's on the corn fairy tour, that's rising way up their rankings that like maybe, you know, obviously is not gaining a'll see this dude that's on the corn fairy tour that's rising way up their rankings. That like maybe, obviously he's not gaining a ton of world ranking points by on the corn fairy tour,

not a household name yet. Like Zalator was just jumping off the page of like, this dude is insanely good at golf. I know there's people that get bored with stroke skates. It's just a measurement of how freaking well you get the ball in the hole. And he's a dude that kind of is, look, you extrapolate out like what his stroke skating profile look or his ability to get the ball in the hole and he's a dude that kind of is looks, you extrapolate out like what his

stroke skein profile look or his ability to get the ball in the hole and it's going to fit very, very well in the PGA tour. Totally agree. I think, you know, and plenty of seasoning there too. And you earn that through like, you don't necessarily earn that through like winning twice and missing like 10 cuts. You earn that through just beating people consistently and not missing cuts and not having huge negative rounds and being a very consistent player Which pro golf doesn't necessarily reward that as much like volatility gets reward in pro golf But the best golfers I think are very consistent golfers agree Pat and Kazir showed some signs of life. Sorry about 65 65. He's get a rough rough year last year

I don't know if he's battling injury or what but like he's he had a rough rough year last year. I don't know if he's battling injury or what, but like he's down in mid 200s in the world now after being up in the top 50. A guy that I'm going to he was one round away from like he shot 67 71 67 64. I'm buying all the stock this year. Aaron Wise. I think Aaron Wise is going to have a massive massive year. He's on rider cup radar as well. I mean, if there, if there is no true 12th man emerging, he would be, uh, he was the 13th man this past year. And I'm just, just put the radar up on that one. If he continues to play this, go to golf, were there, were there were issues with the putting there were he's now a broomstick guy. Okay. Full broomstick,

not, not arm lock full broomstick Okay, and it seems to have addressed it or at least mitigated it greatly. There was some serious issues with the Yeah, and then Thomas D. Tree continues to same with you know like we got these kind of rookies that are just you know like he's Kind of older rookie came over for the Euro tour Nick Hardy another a lie. I Guy, you know, that they're just they're getting pretty far down this leaderboard. You know, get, you know, get into the top 30 or top 40, you know, in the, you know, before the season kind of stops, it's

cool. Charging along. I'm also Harry Higgs 60, second round 62. Some signs of life from Harry. Some great interviews he did too. We'll have to have him back on recently because he had a tough year this past year and has seen the light. He had a great interview where he talked about how down on himself he got and how much he berated himself. Which if you go back to the Charles Schwab podcast where one of my reactions was like, yeah, a lot of dudes are out there just like really getting down on themselves.

I didn't name them by names. That was about you, Harry. I'm sorry to say, but I watched it happen. You're just like berating your caddy and having unreasonable reactions and it's nice to see him cut a cup of that realization of like, hey, this was preventing me from playing good golf. So he seems to be back on his way and I'm we're very excited about that. I'm not turning it back over to TC before I say this podcast has brought to you by our

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But yes, in the southeastern Atlanta junior golf scene, he was a killer. And you grew up playing against Brian Harman. Was he the guy that you asked what club he hit and you got penalized? No, no, that wasn't him. Great shot. Would you hit. No, we might get to that later. Hold that thought. What else did you have from Houston, DC? From Houston. Oh, we're not even on to Houston. Sorry, Houston. No, I meant my coba, but I'm looking at the notes here.

We are rolling into Houston where co-crack is not able to defend. Yeah, I was just going to say, yeah, Houston, I like watching the Houston event. I think it's a cool change of pace, core-swized, there's some cool green features, shout out to Tom Doak out there. And yeah, it's kind of funny that Jason Co-crack and Ash tek went all in last year and won this event and is not defending.

So yeah. Question from Tyler Munson 7 is Hovland officially in a show me year. I think they're all show me years for Hovland from here. It's a very, very talented player that we're waiting to see if he has what it takes to, you know, move things to I hate to just that got so cliche to say to the next level, but like a recognizable level like he has a talent level that exceeds what he has produced so far in professional golf. Is that fair to say?

Yes, but I would also I would put Xander above him on the show me making the jump to, I mean, if we're talking just majors, like I know Xander won some big events this last year, but, you know, we got to like, I think Xander's been around longer and it's been kind of in that almost in that Ricky category now of like getting a get what know getting a lot of love a lot of like you know it did you see a lot of FaceTime and I think we need to break through and and wins have some statement wins in 2023 I hovelin is on that track right now so I would agree with that hovelin's 25 I'm getting some some He's got more wins than big tone, but I feel like it's it's similar thing. We're like the You know, he I don't think he really has the the just runner-up finishes where he didn't get it done quite as much

But it seems like we have a ton of Solo fists, you know really good top 10s. Are you counting? You're saying just cumulative DP world tour and PGA tour wins as more than Big Tone now? Yeah, I'm on the, I'm on the OWGR website because you know, I count, you know, big dick wins beyond PGA tour wins. TCS is own proprietary model. So he won the BMW International Open last, do we do, do we need to look at that field

at all? Because you tried to discount Big Tone's wins as well. Do we need to do that? I mean, he won the, you know last, do we do, do we need to look at that field at all because you tried to discount big tones wins as well? Do we need to do that? I mean, he won the, you know, you buy desert classic. That's a pretty nice win. That's a, that's a Emirati open. His PJ tour wins are mya, coba, mya, coba and Puerto Rico though. Like I'm going to put big tones, a lot older.

Listen, like, but he's playing a lot more events, but I'm going to put his win, his accumulated wins up against hovelin with, with great pride. Totally. But he's all, yeah, but I mean, Halvin's 25 tones, 35, but but also like tone has or, uh, Halvin has T2 at the concession WGC worked a down, down, the on the API this year, T2 there, he had T4, I mean, kind of a non-competitive there in the final round, but T4 at St. Andrews this year, like, you know, he's got some really like T3 at Wells Fargo last year. He's, he, you know, T2 it. All right. I'm going down the OWGR leaderboard. They're big, big finishes. They're just not wins. He just sees a win more. Yeah. He is,

Data Golf's got him as the 15th best player in the world. That seems about right. Well, he's just a kind of a victim of his class a little bit, right? With Moorakawa coming out swinging and I guess, you know, then he compared it with Matthew Wolfe. It's obviously better than that's gone. So he's just, he's almost like what, if you take Moorakawa out of it, I feel like Hoveland is doing just fine. Like he's on a really solid pace, right? But it's like, okay, when you compare it against the guy,

that's just, you know, had an all time year coming right out of college. That's a tough, uh, pierced set, I guess, is how you put it. Probably question for you. What, how does, how does data golf handling live? They are, I don't know exactly how they're, what they're using in terms of like what field average is or what, so this is what makes the OWGR discussion interesting is like, yeah, how do you measure like what an average pro is or what an average score is or field average, you know, what's, what's the baseline for that when you don't have a

competitive underlying system in there? I don't know the baseline for that when you don't have a competitive underlying system in there. I don't know the answer to that off top of my head. I just kind of trust the numbers that they put out and they say, like, look, what kind of golf DJ and camera playing? This is about what it's equivalent to. And it all tends to make sense. It's not like the OWGR. They're not falling off the ratings in like a data golf sense just because they're not earning OWGR points, which is why it's just a better system, I think, overall. It seems like we were talking about Hovelin before this past season of, hey, he's got to finish in the top 10 in a major.

And he did that at the British Open last major of the year. So I feel like we got to give him some credit for, you know, even though it was a bad final round, we got to give him some credit for being still on the upswing, I think here. And I'm going to push back on the Xander thing. Neil, a little bit Xander's got fair enough, seven PGA Tour of Winds plus a gold medal. He's not the quite 30 yet. He's got a lot bigger wins. He's won the Green Briar Tour Championship. He won WGC, the what about China Championship? He won the century. He won. Well, a lot of his wins were were limited fields. Yeah. I've been on this block. I have orders. Genesis this past year, like he won three times the past year. He's a producer and he's

like a half shot better than all of the weight. Genesis. He won the Genesis Scottish Open this year. Okay. Yeah. Well, so I think that he's bought himself another year, another major season before it was like, but he's had some really good fence six top fives and 22 majors. And that's where it's like, you know, we got to start breaking through. Yeah, it's like, because and maybe this is just because I've been picking them in all these majors and I keep kind of keep feeling the heartbreak along with them. It's like, I just want, I want him to break through. I root for Xander. I like him. It just like damn man. Come on We got to we got to get it done. So I think this summer He he was playing an awesome stretch of golf through the Scottish open So you're right. I agree with you But also like it's time to make the jump to the next plateau and maybe we'll learn more on that So he's bought himself a year for me and that's I know that's important to him I know that's important to him. There was a weird Colin Morakawa exchange.

Todd Lewis said to him in a postman interview, he said, Trevor, Emelman mentioned it in our broadcast and watching you play that you came out and played so well early in your career that that was possible, your bar, your standard, did you go through that? And Morakawa reacted kind of weird to it. Again, Emelman said, your bar, he did not say ceiling.

I think Morakawa heard ceiling when he said that and he said, wow, that's hard to hear from him, to be honest, I could care less what he says there because I don't think that's my bar. I think I've got so much more to improve. I've been near last in putting it. I don't think I've even finished close to being average on putting.

So if I just get my putting to be average, I think there's so much more to improve. So I don't know where that came from, that kind of stings there. I don't like to hear that. And Lewis tried to clarify, like, he meant it's a compliment that you played so well and he goes, I don't know if that was a compliment,

I'll be honest. If he did, maybe it came off wrong for what I heard. It's just a weird exchange because very clearly, Emelman is saying, like, you set the bar really high for yourself. It came out one, two majors, like, anything less than that, it's gonna feel like a disappointment. It's gonna send you in a way to be searching. I'm obviously paraphrasing that.

And he kind of took it as, see, like, I'm sure it was truly a misunderstanding, but that was kind of making the way. It seems like, I don't know, it seems like maybe a window into a psyche where he's kind of trying to use stuff as like little slights or little things to put in the tank and you know, use it as fuel of of like that's the perspective that he's looking at the world through right now, right? You know what? You know what? We've been doing this now.

We're one of those two majors and we were like, we had the discussion of the podric Harrington thing of the ignorance being bliss kind of thing. The more you experience you get, the less ignorance you have to doubt. And now just after a year of just slightly less, you know, good results, like it strokes gain wise, like he's pretty much the same profile player. Yeah, just didn't have the big wins with it. He seems like just maybe a little bit on edge. And he had an interview with golf.com as well, about talking about getting old.

This one was strange, right? These were interesting things to hear from a guy that's as young as he is. He's 25. He's talking about, to be honest, I think it's just getting old. It's just getting old. I mean, I drank way more in college than I ever do now, but apparently when you get older, your body just moves differently. I feel that brother. I sympathize with that, but I did not feel that at 25, I don't think. So I still...

27's the number. 27's the number. I still feel great. Like, everything feels great. Everything. 27th the number. 27th the number for sure. I still feel great. Like everything feels great. Everything moves great, but it's just not as clean as it was. And the maintenance I have to do now is just a little bit more. It doesn't mean I need to do anything crazy.

I'm not changing anything really. It's just getting my body to where it need to be, where I need to be. You said, say last year, I didn't really have to focus on it. But when I look back and you think about how much travel I've done over the past three and a half years, it's a lot. It doesn't stop. I love travel, but travel takes a toll on your body

and it takes a toll on you. You've got to be able to kind of work your way through that. And that's what the best athletes are doing. Which I appreciate this look into, like no matter how old you are, you're not invincible to a jet lag and to, you know, going to getting in and out of rental cars and courtesy cars and hotels and packing and lugging your clubs through the airport

and like that does wear on you. It's not, you're not in bed by 10, in your bed by 10 p.m. on Sunday nights very frequently. And it's, you know, then you're right into the next week. If you're playing multiple weeks, it does, it does take a toll on your body. I both, when we TC and I went to do Abu Dhabi in 2018, it took me like three weeks to recover from that. Just coming back from Korea, that took me a couple weeks really to fully recover from that. It's a real, it's a real thing that a lot of athletes don't talk about.

And so I appreciate that look into it, but it was just kind of surprising for someone in his. So I might not be right till the end of the year. I don't sound right. I'm big. I got some allergies going the year. You don't sound right. I'm big. I got some allergies going on today. They're more on allergies. It's kind of a lifetime more though.

I would say that two things. One, coastline, what you just said, Sally, on, I wish more of these guys would talk about the struggles with travel and just the, I think those are very sincere thoughts. The first part of it though, the Todd Lewis exchange, like this is true offseason fodder. Yeah, like we got nothing. We were breaking this down. I just Google it.

I just Google call him more Kawa and like Google news is like, like all caps from like golf magic or some website. Call him more Kawa. Bad website. Bad website. No free shouts for them. That's a bad website. You can keep this in there, but a call of bad website. No free shouts for them. That's a bad website. You can keep this in there, but that is, that is a bad website. Like I'm good. I'm breaking down the, you know, misunderstanding with in

a woman, I'm good there. But I, I do appreciate what TC said as well. Like, that's how these guys were wired. They, they're looking for, they have, they kind of have to have a chip on the shoulder. So that's how they're so competitive. So it's like your guy, KD, Neil, just like hang on Twitter to just get people chirping them. And sure, having his burners running, you know, KD's just like us, man, getting triggered by, by people online. Let's move over to the LPGA tour. They were in Japan this past week. Let's move over to the LPGA tour. They were in Japan this past week. Gemma Dryber.

I hope I'm saying that right. I know she's Scottish and I know Edinburgh is like a weird BURGH kind of thing. I'm just going to assume I've got it wrong. That's safe to say. I think we're all going to assume that with just any foreign pronunciations at this point. The tough block for the whole NLE squad.

The Scots were chuffed, if you will, about this news of her win. Huge Japanese contingent, as you might expect, on the leaderboard there, as well. Lynn Grant, again, another fantastic finish has finished the solo third. You have a status update for us on her TC. Yeah, I just, I mean, I looked up the race to the CME. She's up to 51st now, which I think locks up pretty much like great status. Like once we, once the US lifts the Vax ban for international travel, I think she'll see her on the LPGA tour because I think like she's going to basically, she's gotten up to 51st in the season standings without playing a single event in the United States. That's incredible.

That's remarkable. And Atea Titicun, a senator number one in the world earlier. I still don't understand how that's how you pronounce the name. I don't either, but I've received an email of confirmation that it, uh, even though it looks like Titicool, it is Titicun with an N is how you would pronounce it. So which is my third different way pronouncing it, but I believe that to be the correct one. 19 year old tie player that is the number one player in the world that I think the Gulf World is just now getting to know. Kind of snuck up on us a little bit. I mean, it was kind of no

major championship wins or no crazy hot streaks, so they just really, really solid play through this incredible, again, before turning 20. I'm just always amazed by all this stuff. Great swing too. Like just great swing. All right, there was an announcement this past week. DJ Pie had a nice Twitter thread on this. The TGL investment group announced. I don't have the names off top of my head, but it's a wide range. Shiao, Otani is on this list, Justin Timberlake, all kinds of F1 drivers, people from all different walks of life and sports and all this stuff, very clearly the effort is being made to make a huge splash on this thing.

I'm just going to go for people that are not familiar with what this is. I'm just literally going to read the about from the website because it's incredible mix of like, oh, that sounds horrible. And like, oh, that sounds like that, that makes sense. TGL is an innovative golf league in partnership with the PGA tour fusing advanced tech and live action in prime time, which my reaction to that part is like, okay, is the live tech that good or live live action in prime time? That makes sense. Like that makes sense. And the league will launch with six teams, each consisting of three PGA tour players, Tiger Woods and Roy McAroy are the first two golfers to commit to compete committed to compete. The custom built arena will combine a data rich virtual course, state of

the art short game complex. They'll offer a high tech high energy fan experience with fans sitting green side. The inaugural season kicks off January 2024 with a 15 match regular season followed by playoffs and championship match. Let's unpack what this thing is, who it serves, what it's going to do for the golf world. T.C. What's your reaction to it? You buy cell or hold on the TGL as of right now. Sprinkle a little bit of buy just to make sure that my portfolio's properly diversified. Emerging fund there for T.C.

Yeah, yeah, you know, it seems like something that you'll probably be able to bet on. I think it's going to be Monday nights after Monday night football, which after or during, so that sounds promising as well. It'll be true. If it's January 24, I would assume that starts after Monday night football season ends. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then really, I don't know, it just seems like the right guys are buying in on this Tiger, namely. And to me, it's like, if this is golfers, if this is golfer centric, like, like, I'm excited about the match coming up because it's

it's four golfers that I enjoy watching played golf, right? I don't give a fuck about watching Tom Brady or Patrick Maholmes or John. Yeah, like, like, you know, like, I like watching them play football and I like watching Jordan Speet and Justin Thomas play golf, you know, and so I think that seems to be the focus here as well. It's like it's golfers. And there's a celebrity element, but in the same way that like it feels like there's a celebrity element to like manning cast like you're still watching golf or you're still watching golf, or you're still watching football, you're just watching celebrities talk, you know, during the football game kind of thing. That's, that's my take on it. I very much have a wait and see about this thing. It seems like the kind of thing I would want to write off immediately, like this sounds dumb. I think there's a few things working in their favor that make it sound very much not dumb. Tiger Woods is not going to play golf in the PGA tour going forward,

maybe maybe an event or two per year unless he decides to ride the cart, which I don't think he wants to do or will do, which is a separate discussion. I think he definitely should. So if you want to watch Tiger Woods interact with fellow tour pros, play golf adjacent, I mean, it's hidden golf into a screen. Is that like what it gets me excited about golf? No, but this is also very much. I don't think for me or for like hardcore golf fans. I don't think you have to like this. I don't think you're gonna have to watch this. I think there's gonna be interesting elements of team. be overly tied to the results. I could be surprised on that. It could build on me. I don't, uh, I very much view this as an exhibition series of some kind, but I want to scream this from the mountain tops. Like what this thing does and what it serves is this is, this will line the pockets of PGA tour players and help retain talent on the PGA tour option. You either

have, you have two options. You can either be PGA tour slash TGL or you can be live. You cannot be live and TGL. This is a way to a for profit venture for the top talent to make money outside of having to split it with million William McGurd one night of work Monday nights in a you know, don't have to walk around. Don't have to travel with caddies. Don't have to blah blah blah. Don't have to do all the stuff is it way to make easy money basically a hidden giggle Playing golf in an arena that can be fun, but like I again I just don't want to pretend like this is real golf. It's not it's like top golf with pros

Yeah, at the same time like what this what this is serving in a extremely volatile time in the golf market This could help keep in a extremely volatile time in the golf market. This could help keep, say, under shop, Lee, Patrick, can't lay these dudes that are going to make a shitload of money off this can help keep them on the PJ tour, which I think is a good thing at this point. I would coast on a lot of what you said, TC, I'm surprised you're not really jacked up with Serena involved. Any Murray, you know, I know that's that that gets you really jacked up.

Yeah, I was, I was particularly Tyler Ninja Beavons. I guess he's, he's guess he's the real deal. Huh? Well, that brings me to the next point. I don't, you know, I'm not a big gamer, but like eSports is selling out the Barclays Center, right? People enjoy watching people stream their video games. So like you said, it's not for us, but what this is, is it's a brand, it's for the brands,

number one, it's a brand, it's for the brands, number one, it's a brand marketing dream. Like you get the live aspect, a night like Monday night, great for a network, you know, kind of an ining eater on a Monday night for them. And then also like it increases the profile of some of these athletes, some of these golfers for their sponsors as well. So it kind of serving a lot of those kind of money interests, as you said, but one thing that I noticed,

like going back to what you said about the match stuff, trying like I agree with you that I want to watch golfers playing the match, but when I was staying with my in-laws back when it was Brady versus Manning, like one of the first ones, the mix of celebrity and tiger and fill. Yeah, yeah, like what, which one of the first ones, the mix of celebrity and Tiger and Phil. Yeah, yeah, like what, which was like the big one, I feel like, and I remember my mother and father, they were like, oh, let's turn that on.

Like they want to watch Brady, they want to watch Peyton Manning play. And so it's like, that's a little bit of a wake up call for me. I'm like, oh, yeah, like I'll turn it. If you guys want to watch that, I'll definitely watch it with you. The Steph Curryman was interesting too. I think the mix of celebrity golf is...

Yeah, partly like the watch of Bad Golf. Yeah, like there's something there for the casual. Like it was almost a way for my mother and I to like relate to like, oh, Neil, like let's turn that on. Like that's interesting to me, whereas like that is never ever happened. Major anything PGA tour related. It's like she's going in the other room.

I'm like, hey, I'm going to watch this golf time over here because I'm, you know, I'm going to be on the podcast and like, sorry. Oh, it just seems like it seems like something too that they can get these guys out of their shells a little bit of, you know, if they're sitting around drinking a beer or like if to like if it's kind of relaxed and kind of fun, you know, Tigers going to be throwing around nicknames like crazy. You don't have to worry about throwing a camera on a cart. Like the whole thing's gonna be outfitted. You're gonna have, you know, everybody's gonna be mic'd up

all that. I think also like, yeah, like there may be celebrity matches on the side or something like that. It kind of reminds me of the slime cup, which I really enjoyed. Like my son Freddie who's five like. It's a supplement like it's a supplement It's a supplement. It is like look at the programming on the golf channel Monday nights All right, this is not interrupting anything. This is not this is not replacing anything

This is not going to prevent these guys from playing any other PGA tour events or competing in other competitive events I can already see the bots having their way with the you know our stance on this like if you can't see the difference between this and live I cannot help you and I'm not going to try to explain how this does not interrupt the competitive landscape of pro golf and also keep in mind We're going to be living in a post Netflix world here very soon where people are going to tune in Netflix and watch commercial free Golf Programming on there and be someone entertained by some of the characters in those and need an avenue. Maybe one avenue into the sport and can I tell you watching golf on television through the normal programming is not the way into it. It is a total disaster, which we've covered many, many times.

You are not going to be able to convert fans into golf fans watching the current product the way it is. Something like this might be what like what serves that Netflix audience, that casual sports fan that like holy moly gets like two and a half million viewers. Okay. That's crazy. That's like what PGA tour events get. This is an entertainment product featuring the top golfers. If you're a hardcore golf fan and are not into this, I am not going to convince you, but just no understand. I just ask people to understand what it serves and why it exists. It's going to exist. And it may be great. It very well, maybe I'm not writing it off either,

but it's, again, it's just, it's harmless. It's completely harmless. And I, we can't also sit here and say golf needs to change, needs to do something different and shit on stuff before it actually happens. It's like the three on three basketball tournament that like everybody watched like hopefully the products a little better than that because those.

It's not bad. Yeah, that's not for me either. It actually T.C. I would think it's more like is Ann one. Like the old Ann one like the street ball. I was like dude, I watched the hell out of that stuff. What I will say what I'm deeply concerned for though is that these guys are not going to be

funny. Oh, that's right. Like that's a concern. Like maybe it's just like, you know, major, oof, major, oof, and the first one's probably going to be a warning. Yeah, there's going to be some oof warnings in in your one. So I'm, you know, I'm concerned for them on that front, but let them figure that it could be like, is this will this be successful for from and what is who's definition of success matters, the networks and the brands, I think it probably will be successful for them, but like will it be something that I can't wait to watch on Monday nights? Probably not.

One thing is totally fine. Yes, totally fine, but also like it is going to, I would imagine, it's golf made for TV. When they go to commercial, they're going to stop playing, just like they do in basketball arena. It's just like they do in football. Like this is like golf in an arena. Like this is a translation, like T20, probably with cricket.

And I don't know enough about cricket to understand that comparison. But it's like taking a hyper complicated game and super dumbing it down in a TV window for golf fans. Like could this help the PGA tour and golf as a whole? I create a little bit more interest. Yes. Is it going to get more Thursday viewers for the Valsbar? Probably not.

Apologies to the Valsbar for just being a punching bag on this podcast. Thank you for no good reason. Valsbar. Totally fine event. There's no hate there. But just again, I think it's, you know, who knows? Maybe we may have Ronde Barber, I think. Yeah, he's an ambassador. He's an ambassador, right? You came out from the pie man for drag in the

Vals bar. You're next on his list. I feel like during this thing, we're going to see, like Micheloboltra's got to be so involved in this. This is like the Micheloboltra. And then also, I'm a little bit concerned that this Mike McCarley guy is like pulling the strings because this is the same guy that like brought us golf pass and brought us like a bunch of other shit from golf channel that like part of the problem has led us to this point. This would be on golf channel. No, well, you know, he's like a former golf channel executive and he's like, is there a network partner though? Undecided right now. I don't think so yet. But it's like he's like the, you know, he was like

Dick Ebersol's like right hand man, I guess. Sure. Sure. The Olympics back in the day. So in 2000. So well, if you're going to start a new venture in sports and seems like they've done the work to get, you know, the names involved, the money involved, like there's some big boy private equity involved and, you know, so the leg works, but they got the blessing of the PGA tour, you know, the cat, like all, like, I would say like a credit goes to like laying the foundation for something that could be a success and get more people like to think about golf and consider it, I guess, is, is, hey, let's, let's try it out. I'm, I'm, I'm open. It is very much in the same vein as the match in terms of like, is this like, does this matter

in the competitive golf landscape, which is what we cover on this show 99% of the time, definitively the answer to that is no, but there's also golf entertainment, which is like the match. And there's, it is like, they have a chalery benefits. It's your starting from scratch to it better be good TV. Like there, but there's no excuse. There's no, have you read the contracts, right? Or you don't understand how TV contracts work. I definitely do not. If this is a disaster TV wise, I definitely don't understand how TV contracts work. Because I also, to be fair, McCarley too, I think he was in charge of like MEC Sunday night football and making that like kind of what it is. Not in, I'm not, it's not a shot at like my guy,

Dungee. He just had some like flash forward to tomorrow and seeing people be like, dude, because there's a beast going down his resume. I should probably probably know like I know he's not shitload of stuff with the Olympics and all that. But like, like Sunday night football and NBC is so it's so well produced and it's so good. And they have like the most trash collection of talent.

You could possibly assemble for that studio show. And I'm like, how are these these two things equated with each other or tied at the hip? It doesn't make any sense. I love that it was a to be fair to Macarley in response to his own comments. It wasn't like, hey, let's be fair to Macarley. It was, it was your comments. But, you know, it's kind of like, I don't know, there's a video game aspect to it. It's almost like a simulation, you know, technology is a big thing in golf.

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Speaking of the match JT and speed confirmed against Tiger and Rory at Pelican in Tampa, December 10th. 10th reaction to this. I'm stoked. I think it's going to be great. I thought I thought this was then I don't like months like a month ago. But yeah, yeah, I'm yeah, I'm planning to go over for it. I think it's going to be sweet. It's a delicate so it's in Tampa. Yeah, the riddlers plays. Yeah. It's where the LPGA is this week too. Exactly. It's a great bounce back from I think they kind of lost me on the last one where there was no pro golfers involved in it all. I'm like, well, why would I watch that? I don't watch the American Century Championship. You know, this is, you know, some of the most interesting people in golf, Mike's up and I

don't know why this is the only event that Mike's, Mike's players up. But I will definitely be tuning into this. This is perfect. Fall viewing. What you're viewing, I guess it's technically winter, but at that point, no, it's not solid. Solid live live Mike's players up. Well, I know they do.

Well, you just said it's the only event that Mike's players up. Okay, that was making sure the bots don't come at you. That's that's very, very, very, very fair. Only event on television, I should say. Okay. That's fair in domestic television, because live lives on TV. Oh, right. So they're in the zone, aren't they? Okay, that's fair in domestic television because it lives on TV. Oh Right. They're in the zone aren't they?

So I think this is a huge obviously getting Tiger back involved with it again Like we're not going to see Tiger play golf very often So like the people that are out there just to shit on these few things that we are you know a few things being presented That are going to feature Tiger Woods on a screen playing golf. I don't understand but So again completely harmless event that I'm excited to see this iteration. We got a bunch of questions you guys down to get through. We talked a lot more golf than I thought we would on this. We may not get to all the ones that were sent.

Many great questions sent in, but let's start pounding through these. Let's do a little housekeeping before the questions. I think we can just go down some of the questions. I think we got to address the Cantlay. Yep. Xander, Mito, Thomas Pears, rumors. I'm hearing a lot of Tyrell Hatton rumors. Old Tyrell Hatton.

Let's just clarify the first four names you mentioned. Patrick Cantlay, Xander Shoffley, Mito Pereira, Thomas Pears, were mentioned in an article in The Guardian from You and Murray. I think it was. You and yeah, he wrote speculation. in Miami has linked Patrick Cantlay, Zander Shafley, Mito Pereira and Thomas Peters with live, which of course in the golf world is going to translate it ahead line somehow.

If speculation in Miami at the live event isn't enough to say like, oh my God, outshocking, the live people want to spread rumors that two of the people that some people view to be sitting on the fence are going to live, I'm so surprised they want to get this out there. I've asked around, as I've done, when the Colin Mark Hall rumors came out, when the Jordan Speed rumors came out,

when the John Rom rumors came out, when all these rumors just keep coming up out of nowhere, I've asked around about this one, have not found any fire to this smoke. There is, it's truly vape smoke, I think is somebody somebody that lives is vaping and there's no fire underneath it. Why are you looking at me when you say that? Because you're the vape god. Cotton candy flavored vape smoke. There's always kind of a supplementary layer to this.

Like certain things pros wouldn't be doing this time of year if they were jumping that they are doing to make me also think that one these two are a package deal. Xander and Cantley, for one, and I do not think that they are going as of now. Could that change? In Xander's own words, he has said like, you know, people, there's everyone's got a number and if people hit it and if people, a bunch of people leave, I'm totally paraphrasing that, that they could choose to go, but I do not think that there's anything to this at the current moment. I don't know if it's OWGR dependent, but there's nothing I've heard that makes me think this is actually imminent. They're just, they're just playing four-dimensional chess on

you, Sally. They're doing all sorts of off-season stuff that they, you know, just throw you off the, the, the scent here. And you got to to, you got to check the Twitter handles on a lot of this stuff. There's a lot of bad actors out there that are all backing up followers, the track error accounts. I've tried to warn people to track or accounts, the, you know, nuclear golf things of that nature. Nuclear golf, not even as much as like, like flushing it and UK golf lover and all of these, like, there's just all this shit.

HandiCat 54 is saying it top 10 player. Awesome burn here. As, as, as throwing shitty rumors out there as if they're actually sourced and making clouding the entire golf landscape with this bullshit. And it's like, it's super frustrating to like work through. And like, there's, these people have no stake in the game. They have no like credibility to it. So if you if you mess something up, there's nothing to lose and it just gets circulated out like John

Rom had to correct one of the live accounts saying I've got it on great authority that John Rom will be leaving. He's like No, that's not true. And it's just it's on repeat. It's a new account pops up that does this stuff and people breathe like don't breathe any air into this shit unless it comes from a credible source. Okay. So it's the bees. It's the bees. It's the it's the bees. You can look that one up if you want to get good quality.

There's a lot of people out there. And I don't even put ourselves in this in this category. Like the journalists are working really hard to get the breaking news on people with people are going. And I promise these like anonymous Twitter people are not going to be the first ones to find this information. Everyone has a, I just checked some screenshots. I delete a bunch of photos out of my phone after when I'm on the plane.

And I checked screenshots. It was just like from a few months ago, of like I got on great authority in Moorakawa, Zander, Cantlay, and Blubbub, and Stenson are all in the next wave. And I'm like, that was from like several months ago. Like dude, it just never, it just, it's not, it's not happening. That's my, that's my living.

So by the way, you got me doing the same thing on planes sometimes now. I just go through my last week's photos and just clean them out. It's great. It's great shots and stuff. I won't breathe anymore, any more vague smoke into this, into these rumors. But that's a different one. That was not in the article and I don't know anything about Mito or Thomas Peters on that front. I don't know enough about that. And totally different source adjacent. You're not reporting this as news of course, TC, but just hearing things about

that allegedly. Yeah. And you know, this would devastate, devastate by European rider cup team. Thomas Peters leaving. I was going to say, I'm just disappointed there hasn't been an NLU to live rumor circulated, you know, just throw it out there to jump the waters, you know what I mean? I would be, it would be about as credible as these. Speaking of that, I do love after after ranting about all this news. We're like, yeah, we're maybe here. A hat might be going as well. Well, I like, I've heard that one from some.

Yes. Incredible. I trust you as someone that has a stake in the game here. I also, I do want to, I mentioned it on last week's pod. I do want to, I did my homework on this. And yeah, the stuff that the PGA tour is doing around town with regard to Cam Smith, basically just calling around like, you know, strong arming people getting him blackboard from pretty much every course here in Jacksonville is fucking staggering to here like how petty they are. So are we going to see him up at the jack speech range?

Possibly. Yeah, just banging balls off the mats. How cool would that be? Yeah. Yeah. Not if we have anything to say about it. That's what we call that, Mike. But it's like, yeah, that's just where I get up like, I'm like, yo, like this guy's like, you know, he's a low, like he lives here by choice.

He's like, all right, cool. So you're going to basically make the guy move because you don't want, you're not cool with him living down the street from the PGA tour. Like that just feels like un-American to me or un, just very, very petty and unnecessary and, you know, just, just so take-e-tack. It seems like a weird thing to like risk it on. Like if you are worried about your your behavior being interpreted by the law in any way, This is a very weird one. Again, allegedly, if this is the case to actually be to do it on, I cannot not on my watch.

That's not cool. That's not cool, man. That's not cool. I'm not even going to legend with this one. I've got it from first and second hand sources. So it's, yeah. But anyway, and then, yeah, actually guys this week, moved into a new house a few months back.

We got a knock on the door this week. It was a guy comes up to the door and my mom answers the door. They were visiting the franchise and peg, we're visiting. She answers the door. The guy says, I have a gift for you. I was like, how fuck, what,

I thought I was getting served. I thought I was getting served. I thought I was getting served. Like a law from Patrick Reed. Yeah, yeah, from Larry Clayman and P and Lady J. It turned out to be a drizzly delivery to the people who previously owned the house. They had not updated their address within Drizzi, I guess. So somebody else had their old address,

but even my mom was like, oh my God, I thought you were getting served. Which we are just reporting the facts here. We're not opining on this that is Shane Ryan, the New York Post, Fox Sports, and the Associated Press among others. We're also, they're being sued for $250 million in reparations. And Larry Clayman claims Shane Ryan must be morbidly obsessed with a desire to harm, read in his family,

two books recited in the documents of Native American Justice, sliding the tiger a year inside the ropes on the new PGA tour, released in 2016, and the cup they couldn't lose America, the Ryder Cup, and the long road to missing straights on sales in October. Shane Ryan has only tweeted out that he stands by his reporting 100%. And just, yeah, we're not, and TZ keeps tempting it and dangling the bait out there. We're not getting drawn into this. We're always, I always say allegedly though, I always, everything is, of course, a legit. We are, we are beyond reproach. That's why I've tried to like Lady Jay, I'm on her side, man. I'm a supporter. Final stage of Q school will be on television on Monday.

And top 40 in ties from that get a healthy number of starts in the first part of the following corn fairy tour season coming up shortly. So that'll be interesting. I won't be able to watch that at least those of us that are traveling, but that'll be that should be great television. If you're listening to this today on golf channel. Yeah, it's hot 40 and ties. Whether it's supposed to kind of deteriorate here. Chris got her up T2 right now. Chase C for T2. Other notables. Bo Hogue, T6. Let's see here. Daniel Summer Hayes back at it. The medium tabernacle, T9 right now. Curtis Luck. He had kind of a rough season out there. He's T15, Spencer Levine, T15 right now. He's still using that putter. Hope so. Hope so. I hope not. It did not go well for him when he used in the PGA tour.

So hope so. I hope not. It did not go well for him when he used in the PGA tour. And got Isaiah Solinda, really, really good player from Stanford out there. He's finally going to get some status. It looks like Patrick Flavin, Michael Johnson, Rico Hoey, John Augustine. I don't know. I like this stuff. Willie Mack had a tough second round. He's currently T41. So needs a good one tomorrow, but props to them for putting this thing on streaming. It's a good product. And actually the landings is a cool spot too. Shout out to Ryan O'Mour. He's a company country club guy. He's T57 right now. Vince India, Cole Hammer's T57 as well. So T.C. sneaking in one more down the leaderboard is just impressive.

So I didn't even see it coming. I don't know how I didn't see it. There's also a guy that made a 13. Let me see this. It was this. Yeah, final search of Q school. He made a non-couple bogey 13, which I've never heard on couple or non-couple. Chris, Chris, Chris

O'Lago. Yeah, he made a 13 on a par four. So, yeah, that was tough. He was hitting his ninth tee shot from the tee box and he's still, he shot a 74 with a 13. That's incredible. So he's T66 right now. And then the DP World Tour has released their 2023 schedule and any surprises on that TC. Yeah, there's a few things going there. It seems like they're trying to get deeper into Asia for new tournaments into Asia on the 23 schedule. Singapore classic in February, Thailand classic. Those are back to back. And then they're going to Japan for the first time, the ISPS Honda Championship, April 20th to 23rd. And they're going to Korea first time since 2013 as well. It seems like there's some sort of strategic alliance

with the Australasia tour, not to be confused with the live affiliated Asian tour. And then you got the Irish open moving to September. Italian open is moving to May to kind of make room for the rider cup there. And a little break, middle of the summer. And then yeah, there's some new, or some kind of the start of the season begins November 24th, Fortinet,

Australian PGH, Championship in Brisbane, and the Jobargo in South Africa. So yeah, kind of good to see some of the co-sanctioning going on, but really otherwise no huge surprises. They beefed up a few of the prize funds for some of the Rolex events as well. Getting to some of these questions that rolled in first one here came from Hot Takes Golf. He said, what about Bubba saying he was paid to be in specific PGA tour events? I don't know if you guys saw this this week, where Bubba basically was like, I laugh at people that say, I have a problem with the guaranteed payments that live because I was getting paid under the table, basically, a ton of tons of events do it as if this was news. And I guess maybe it was news to some people, but this is something we've talked

about in this podcast for many years in terms of sponsors being able to pay players for doing week of events or signing sponsorship deals that include agreements, either, I don't know if they're specifically written in the agreements, but basically, look, if you're a Zurich ambassador, you're going to play the Zurich. If you're an RBC ambassador, you're going to play the RBC. Travelers has been suspiciously weirdly getting the greatest fields in call for many, many years. I wonder how that was happening. I guess I, I'm amazed that Bubba thought he was revealing something here. The tour, even, the article I saw the tour even commented commented on it saying, yes, all of these things

are permitted amongst PGA tour members. Yeah, very much. Yeah, man. Like, you know, I would say it's a little bit like the insider, like, you know, the Congress people trading on stocks. Like Randy talks about it every week on the trap chart. I'm like, yeah, dude, like it's the scumiest thing ever. But like they're doing it, you know, um, yeah, I think it's the scumiest thing ever. But it's like everybody

knows it's happening. Right? For sure. And I don't know why it's such a hard line rule on the PGA tour. I'm sure there is a reason why. But I got no problem with European tour events, paying appearance fees. And, you and you know, that's part of golf. And I guess, I guess I've come to terms with this a long time ago in terms of that guys are paid to play in certain events. There's a reason why they show up at certain events and it's not necessarily for the person. You know, some of the, some of the international events do this and basically you go host a dinner and you get 500 grand for doing it or go stop in or do a tourism video in Hawaii. I'm just citing random examples.

I don't know this to be the case, but if you are showing, you know, turning up to do something like that and supporting the event, you're likely in the appearance of you. Which at the end of the day, it's like, you know, I get it from the tourist perspective. They don't want, they don't want title sponsors to feel like they're being held hostage for more above and beyond what they're paying. But also at the end of the day, it's, you know, it's also a market-driven economy. And if you have sponsors that are willing to spend more money with your organization or kind of a way to funnel money to some of the top players too, you know. Chad Hartley, what are you hearing about the Netflix product?

I mean, I would just say they couldn't have picked a better year. I'm not hearing that. I just know that. I have heard nothing but good things. I think they, you know, you set out to make something like this and you're probably looking for ways to make golf seem really interesting over eight episodes. It seemed like a reality TV show. What I've heard is yeah, they're probably struggling to trim it down into eight episodes and probably had to shift exactly what this thing was. Again, it was never a PGA tour thing.

It was going to cover all the major championships, which is going to be like this season in golf. And I understand that they have been fought the with all the players that were on that list that have left for live. I think they are still going 100% with that entire list if I've heard correctly. And I mean, obviously I'm excited to see it. I think we'll probably dedicate a fair amount of the podcast space when it does come out to covering that and breaking it down.

And I think it's going to be an exciting look into the golf world in some way. There's a lot of characters in golf that it just hasn't been captured in the way that they're likely capturing it. I have not seen a single ounce of film from it or know anything other than what I'm hearing, but I cannot imagine it will be bad. I'd be stunned if they could make this into a product that would not be watchable. Do you have a date? I think it's January. January? I think that's what you think that's right. Props to them for not, you know,

for getting this done without having the tour, you know, have kind of the poison pill, discretion of, hey, we can spike this storyline, this storyline, and this storyline. Like if it's truly unencumbered and a true look at what this season was like, not just a bunch of, it's not like the cut on golf channel that's like PGA tour productions. That's just like, and then Cameron Champ went to a charity golf outing this week and played with, you know, 60 kids.

It's like, no, like this is, you know, like this is what happened in the third round of the US open and how, you know, Matt Fitzpatrick, you know, reacted to that, right? Like it's very much a real look at things. I think, yeah, that's only good for the game, right? Yeah. It might be a good, like, hopefully it's a success and a lesson to like how exciting golf can be when it's post-produced. And there isn't a massive commercial load. Like can could the PGA they should be doing more of this, but like almost re re like a year and review stuff that isn't just vanilla, I guess is is you know, when it's just golf shot after

golf shot like it's kind of like when we do the holiday medley pods, and it's just like one after the net. He's like, man, that's your I love those every year. So I would say be prepared as a golf fan, probably to have some stuff in there that would drive you nuts in some way. Like all the hardcore racing fans don't love drive to survive because some stuff gets manufactured or you know build up for like be prepared for that. That's that's part of like storytelling on television. Not everything is going to be a million percent real. I don't think, but I think it it'll probably be a good product. I'm excited to see it. I love this question from Will Hardy. Who were you most wrong about for better or worse? Who was better worse? A better guy? Worst guy from when you

started doing this. Who has surprised you? Basically, like I'm interpreting his question is, who did you have a somewhat weird, bad or good impression that ended up being completely opposite of how you eventually felt once you got to know that person? Got to know him or just play. Got to hear them talk or yeah. So it sounds like this is more personality based. John would think so.

John Rom, a thousand percent, especially after the pod you did with him. I think I've said that on this pod before, but I, you know, I never bothered me that he was firing and stuff, but I never, I never really considered him as thoughtful as he is and as, uh, like, candid and sincere and like, very different off the course. And I just have come to really, uh, like, appreciate him as like a rising, almost like rising to his stature in the game. And I don't know, I like him.

I guess it's what I'm getting at. And I didn't like him at first. And I didn't think he was like, I didn't think there was a lot there. And I just, I've shouted that before, but I just want to give him credit for his grasp of the English language. And he's got a better vocabulary than I do. So that always blows me away. You know what came to mind for me was the only impression I had of this guy ever for the,

you know, few years before I met him. Jason Bone was the most stereotypical. Like would never need to hear that guy talk or tell a story or just totally irrelevant PGA tour player that see his name on a leaderboard. You're just immediately like, I don't need to watch this like that's boring. Jason Boe. To like one of the greatest storytellers, one of the best people to be around, one of the true entertainers in the game of golf. He's got a great future in commentary. He could tell a golf story. He could tell a funny story. He could tell a, you know, a not suitable for work story. He was just like the dude that was kind of like open my eyes.

So like, hey, they maybe just don't judge a guy based on solely off of his personality on a television broadcast when you're not actually getting to know I'm like, you never know what you're going to get with some of these guys. And it's, it's been interesting kind of being surprised by some people that you just would never have given a second thought if you didn't have a chance to do what we get to do. I would say stallings is probably up there on that. Like I didn't really know him or know of him.

Like actually I knew of him and I never really interacted with him and then we play with him and we played with him at C. Island a few years ago and I was just kind of kept in touch since then and he's just, yeah, he's thoughtful. He's not everybody's cup of tea, he's super intense and like, you know, but he's just, yeah, he's just like, he very

much believes in himself. And at this point, I believe in him too, because he puts in the work and he works really freaking hard and he's a pleasure to be around off the course too. I'd like to call out three fake outs that we've seen, as in people that definitely did not like on the way up and started to talk to myself into in some way only to have been confirmed that they are exactly who we thought they were. Can you guess who any of those might be?

Team Rose? No, Rose is excluded there. Okay. Bubble Watson was kind of like on his way from flipping the script on just his whole personality and then just did the whole lift. He's a live mascot. Like he totally, enormous hypocrite for all the things he claims to have believed in. Like he is exactly who he thought he was. Kevin Nah. Yeah, he's still.

Yeah, you can throw that one in there too. It's all with the slow play stuff and then flip the script on that and it was like, oh man, you've put together a career and then kind of just, yeah, smell you. I would just say Paul Casey is on that list as well in terms of like, yeah, when he was like, well, I can't go play in Saudi Arabia, like that would make me a hypocrite. And then he's like, no, no, I'm only going to play for the Saudis. That's a pretty, that's a pretty, uh, like even, I don't know, just saying all that at stuff aside, I'm just like, I'm always just been like good on Paul Casey. And then like, you know, you're around him and super nice. And it just seems like he's like smiling.

Well, it calls you mother fucker under his breath. You know, Paul Casey, this is from a distance, never met him. Right. He does give me David Sims from Tim Cutlips. Yeah. You know, like probably not nice to dogs, old people and kids. And last one is Sergio. I feel like we kind of talked ourselves into Sergio when he won the Masters and was like, yeah, he's grown, he's gone past his petal at face only to like have been it all been confirmed, especially this year, where he, you know, shouts at the rules official.

I cannot wait to be done with this tour. And we told the European tour players, you guys are fucked, this tour is shit. Uh, before he, before, uh, you know, I think I was at the BMW. He did that, uh, when all the, the live stuff was going down. So just a couple of fake outs in there. We tried, we tried to come around on a few guys only to be like, yeah, I should trust our instincts on that one. Mr. C sort, we got a lot of questions like this one, but, uh, some F1 chatter would be nice. I finally dove in this year just in time for you lads to stop talking about it. I'm sorry, Mr. C sort. I just can't slow. Like cooking this here and I was going to say we started talking about F1 on this pod because golf was pretty boring and there was an undercurrent going on in terms of a total shift in golf.

in terms of a total shift in golf and how the formula one model worked was a blueprint for that and said and the reason why we kept discussing it was like look how interesting it can be to follow the teams follow the offseason drama you know to see how that sport worked where there's an individual contest going on and a team contest going on at the same time this was all pretty much in line with the PGL with who came up with Liv's format that was stolen that was kind of least the window into it to be like, can you start picturing the golf world working this way? At least that was my insight into understanding how this these breakaway leagues were going

to potentially work. Super interesting. It was driven by Netflix and all that. Just literally haven't had time to watch it this year. Like it is not lined up with my schedule. It's been a rather boring season. I have from what I've gathered. I've still followed them on Twitter and I still, you know, when I'm able to watch an event I do,

but we have not had time on this podcast. We've been doing like two hours on like fall events because of all the shit going on in the Gulf world. There's not been a ton of time to add on a ton of F1 talk. Yeah, I've watched probably five races this year. The thing that pitched me off was like the fact that Red Bulls blatantly breaking the rules as far as the spending cap and nothing happens, there's no accountability whatsoever. Well, I think there is going to be something happening in terms of an exact brown road in to say, well, however much they went over by, that's what their next year's budget should be cut by. So they're operating underneath and tighter one next

year. And if they break it again, I don't know. They're going to figure something out. There's going to be a way to punch. I don't understand it. I slap on the wrist, though, too. You know, I don't know. Also, if you're going to impose that that spending cap, you would have thought they would have, you know, formatted some punishments. Thought that through. Yeah. It seems like a massive change about to make it.

Very easy to address, actually. Yeah, exactly. Well, also too, it's just, I don't know. Maybe it's just the way that the new car, like maybe I had too much hope for the new cars as well. It seems like it's almost taken even more of the excitement out of it as far as passing and like the aerodynamics and the new cars

seem like they're substantially harder to pass and you know, there's just not as much racing going on. Well, and for Stappin won the championship and Red Bull won the championship with plenty of time to spare and it just wasn't the nearly the same excitement level as the pro-eater.

We just need to go back to the outer ring. It was at the outer ring of the inner ring and Bahrain. That was like the best. All time. Yeah. Awesome. Um, maybe in next year, if things calm down, we'll get, you know, maybe more invested in the next season, but it's not there's no, uh, there's no foul play here. Some people are accusing us of all they found out the Saudis funded. So now they don't talk about it or watch it. Like, now we're very much aware that the Ramco event was in the event in Saudi Arabia. I was very much aware of what was going on there

while watching that. I'm almost more upset that Liberty Media owns them than the Saudis, who's owned the Braves for a long time, kind of led them dry for a decade there before they finally started spending money again. No, I think it's, like, it's fun to track. Yeah, I just haven't had that much time to watch it this year. And I still really want to go to a race, you know, it's just, and I think it's, it sounds

like there's going to be an American team too, right? I'm not as up, I've stopped listening to the podcast. I just, I can't keep up with it. It's just too much, too much going on right now. So last one, TC, why don't you give us, I forget who said this question, but ask for an update on how our young hitters, what are young hitters are up to?

If you're unfamiliar, we have a program called the Young Hitters program, where are we? Sponsor, several up and coming male and female players in their journey and professional golf. It's taken on many different iterations over the years, but TC gives an update. been coming male and female players in their journey and professional golf. It's taken on many different iterations over the over the years, but TC give us an update. Yeah, starting on the on the lady's side, because I think that's been no offense to the men, but that's been truly the highlight. I think for us, it's been getting no Madeline and Lauren

and Caribbean, Jillian, Madeline, Sagsdram, Lauren Coughlin, Lakerra Biabe, and Jillian Hollis, other full names. So they started with Lauren. Lauren is currently 79th in the CME Globe standings on the LPGA. She's got Pelican this week. She could finish it Pelican. Very good finish of Pelican. We get her into towards championship. And I think if she gets top 70, she gets into Chevron

next year, which is a big spot in the spring. But for the first time ever, she kind of has her card locked up going into the end of the year here and is kind of playing offense versus trying to scramble and get a top 30 at the end of the year to sneak in and then worry about her status and what tournaments she gets into next year.

She's gonna get into pretty much everything she wants to get into outside of maybe a couple of the majors next year. So Lauren, excellent season, I think Skies the limit there. LaCaribie and Jillian are both in, Jillian won this year on the, so now the Epson tour, we're not in Idaho.

She finished 13, I think, Epson tour. She and X top 10 get LPGA status. So she is in final stage of key school, trying to, you know, kind of, and she, she, she mundane into a few tournaments on the LPGA as well. I was talking to her about it this weekend. She was down in Jaxx for our NIT event and, you know,

going back to what you were saying earlier, Sally, just like, not only with Lingworth of like, you know, when is it time to hang it up or it's also, when is it time to buckle down and only play the tour, the tour that you're on? Like, you know, if you one day into an LPGA event and it's a big purse and, you know, 10 times out of 10, you want to go play that event.

But is that the, like, you know, are you stuck in No Man's Land? Is that the right thing to do? And so she, we're, we had a candid conversation about that and I don't think there's a right answer, but she's like, honestly, I wish I would have just buckled down and like, you know, gone and played more apps and tour events. So, you know, I gave it because I think she missed it by a few, a few grand. And then LaKarabee, she's in final

stage this week as well. I think final stage is, I think it's over in Venice, Florida, or she's in second stage this week. And then, but yeah, anyway, and then Madeline had a good season as she's this week and then, but yeah, anyway. And then Madeline had a good season as she's been doing here of late and she's, you know, just smooth sailing, going in the next year. And on the men's side, we've got Justin Huber. He narrowly missed, I think he missed it by a stroke. One shot.

Yeah, getting to advancing from second stage to final stage. So he's kind of, you know, figured out what he wants to do next. He's actually on the call tomorrow on the streaming for Tuesday's call. But, you know, I think he's, I think he feels good. He sounds like he had hip surgery and he was coming back from that. And then his, I don't know, I'm not ready to write Justin off yet. I think he's, I think he's got plenty of good golf left in and probably his best golf's ahead of him.

And it seems like he's pain-free for the first time in a long time. And Andrew Alley good. He played on Latin America this year. He had, was it seven birdies and an eagle out of Jack's beach? See the day in the wind, which I did not see. To win the to win the the hitters fight, the all of them play. So that only one of them can qualify for the championship. It's a battle royale

between the professionals and some of the better golfers in the nest. It seems like he's in the process of kind of raising his floor a little bit. And I think he'll be out back out next year on Latin America. And then we've got Kim Riley on the APGA tour. He's I think you finished six the couple weeks ago down in Houston. He's just trying to make some progress down there. And then Betjustin Lauer, who's maybe graduating out of the young. He's going to have his farm. Comcast business top 10. I know. Are you kidding me? Like it's like at some point you're just a hitter. You're not even here. You're not young. Yeah. Yeah. So he's you know, he he kept his card after his rookie year and he's off to the races and well ahead of where he was at this point last year. And I think he's he should sniff around for if not a win definitely a top top three this year on the PGA tour and well

on this way to keep in his card. Love it. Well, to all the sickos out there that go an hour and a half with us after the Maya coba. If there's still around, I'd like to a couple house Sure. We got a big, you know, guys, it's holiday season and we've decided we're going to kick off the, you know, holiday promo Black Friday side of the Monday. As much as it pains me to do it before the holiday actually starts, this Thursday or Friday will update on Twitter. The NLU Black Friday stuff will be live to newsletter subscribers. So newsletter dot no laying up dot com. If you're not a email newsletter subscriber, that is where

you will see these promos. There will be one promo to rule them all for non-nest members and one promo for nest members. Keeping it simple this year. So, and the reason being we have a ton of stuff going live this week that we're really excited about and some new stuff coming in next week in the week after. So the promo you can use it more than once. So we just didn't want people to worry like, you know, sometimes we have inventory, limited inventory. So if you see something you like, scoop it and then you can come back, if you see something else you like later on and use the promo code again.

But yeah, that's newsletter dot no laying up dot com. If you want to get in on the holiday sweepstakes, TC, you got anything else? I saw a bunch of Christmas commercials today, and you know, they can, all right, like are you now, or like are we part of the problem? Like get the reasoning and get the logic,

I get the right. I thought a lot about this last week, and I just think it simplifies it for us too, we're a small team, and I don't want like all the crunch on the warehouse and the crunch on customer support and returns and stuff. It's like, I think it's a big thing. It's like, I think it's a big thing. It's a big thing. It's a big thing. It's a big thing. It's a big thing.

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We take the ferry out to Gotland, the Isle of the Got, like the Gotning. Yeah, don't get got. Yeah, which I think we're all pretty blown away by the course, a little bit of controversy around the sixth hole, which we can save for the episode. And then, Neil, I just want to give another shout out to the downrange episode that you and Cody did here recently.

It was excellent. I appreciate that. He put me in the interrogation booth and I didn't even interrogate you that hard. You just started singing like well. No, he kind of caught me on like a Thursday, you know, I've been grinding. So it just was like a total therapy vent session, which is how those, that's how those guys get them. You know, they act like if you're a friend and you just start, I could share anything with this guy. You have me over the head many, many times. Yeah, all of a sudden, you had to give them a gun. And I just, I just admitted everything. Check that out in the down range podcast hosted by our guy, Cody, you can find that wherever

you get your podcasts. So all right, we are, we're on the West Coast time. It's time for us to get some dinner and TC. It's probably a bedtime for you based on your allergies. So thank you, everyone for, for tuning in this past week. This episode will be back next week as well. And we'll see you then. Cheers. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.

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