No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 624: Hero World Challenge Recap

Episode Date: December 5, 2022

We start our weekly recap with the Hero World Challenge where Victor Hovland wins over Scottie Scheffler and Cam Young. We examine the Hero's place in the golf landscape headed into the new PGA Tour scheduling model and how to make the most of the Australian Open event. Then we debrief on Tiger's withdrawal from the Hero, his comments on the OWGR rankings and a realistic look at his future in competitive golf. We also dive into the 2022 PIP results, the Australian Open in full, Rory's latest interview, LIV's 2023 schedule and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most. this week. Big Randy calling in for the mountain times zone. Hello, Mr. Big. Hi, it's been a minute. Thanks for thanks for allowing me on your show again today. Yeah, I get the hero is one a circle every year, start of the year. So big, big week to get on and chop it up about some golf. Thank you. And I'm going to do my best to make sure a trap draw session does not break out tonight because of course we got Mr. TC,

Tron Carter here. Hello, TC. Sullyully hello. I'm here to talk about a different challenge right off the top, the Dr. Pepper challenge. I just, I gotta get to this off my chest before we get started. The people that push the ball, they're, they're, they're chess passing the ball into the receptacle, it's a disgrace. And I can't abide by it anymore.

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He now has, it's really hard to like lay it out. He has technically, I don't know if technically or unt technically, five PGA tour wins three official, two unofficial back to back hero world championships. He's won twice at my Acoba. He's won in Puerto Rico. He has 66 starts inside the United States inside the 50 United States. And he's never won one. And he has 12 PGA tour starts outside of the United States. And he's won five of them. Help me help me make sense of this. I don't think there is anything. He's a, you know, back to back heroes, man.

He's like the white lotus. He only wins at resorts. I was gonna say, I've never seen the white lotus. So I should have given you a courtesy laugh there. Is it easier golf course track? Is that what it is? Like, you know, faster greens, you know, more classic US courses.

I'm not pretending the PGA tour goes to the most classically designed places, but you know, is there something to, you know, maybe more country clubs set up compared to a resort style that fits Hovelin's game allows them to not chip? I don't know if it's like a big coincidence or there's a huge correlation here.

I think the one that kind of makes you throw that out a little bit is my Acoba though, because that's not an easy golf course and it's very different from say Albany, which is relatively open off the tee and you've got kind of the fairways going into that wastey sandy area, whereas my Acoba is like,

you gotta hit it in the fairway and then you gotta like hit this shit out of your irons. So that's probably the outlier there, but yeah, I mean five, I don't know. And like, he only beat what, 20 guys? I don't even know if it's, I think it's 19 guys that he beat. Yeah, so it, I mean, I struggle a little bit. Oh yeah, let's just, let's just go right to that

because I struggle whether or not to like even count this result, like does it matter in a guy's career? It's usually that kind of like the footnote of, he's got five wins plus a hero world challenge. like it's not nothing yet. It's not like a full tour win. And I struggle with this event in the context of the entire conversation we've had this year around world ranking points and everything like that. And I get this question a lot as to why this event has world ranking points. And I don't have the answer to that. And where do you guys stand on that? why this event has world ranking points and I don't have the answer to that.

And where do you guys stand on that? Should this event have world ranking points? Tiger was asked about this and is pressur this week and he just punted on the, he's like, oh yeah, they told us what we needed to do when we got it. So I just don't know how we got here. This is the point event gets world ranking points. You can have my very amateur opinion.

I like in a vacuum, right? If without context, if you took 20 of the best players in the world and played a four round stroke play event, then sure I can see getting world ranking points. I think where the little bit of context comes in is end of the calendar year, you know, a place down in the Caribbean. It just, I don't want wanna say guys aren't like trying

because I think they're trying, but it's got a little bit of an all-star game feel to it for me. And when that's the case, it's tough to really go to bat for world ranking points, in my opinion. Which is kind of weird too. Why even play a four-round stroke, play it then? Like, for this, do something fun or do something off the wall. which is kind of weird too. Why even play a four round stroke, play a band?

For this, do something fun or do something off the wall. That's where I don't get with it. Yeah, look at Max, for instance. Max is showing up. He's got a newborn and it's like, I'm not sure how much he's touched a club here of late, but it's a nice end of your paycheck. They're topping up the bank again. I'm guessing the answer to your question, Randy, is that they do the four round, you know, four round tournament because it is that that's how they got world ranking points. I did dig into this. I had to figure out, you know, Tiger, again, what Tiger reference,

and they're like, we had to go way back in the Chevron World Challenge days, you know, the tournament was in existence for several years before it got points. And I guess it was the ranking board approved the request with a stipulation that to receive ranking points, it must take at 16 players off the world ranking with no exemptions. And then for the larger, for a larger field, the exemptions must go to players in the top 50 in the world. The official said Chevron plans to have 18 man field in 2009 with two exemptions. That's from Jeff Sheckford's article in 2008. So basically it was like, I don't know what exactly what the field was before that, but

they said, yeah, if you can get like the top 16 goes straight off the world ranking list and that so there is qualification for it, right? Yet, I just don't know if like why 16 is the number, why that's the magic number to account because like it adds way more confusion to this conversation than it does help get provide any clarity. I guess that would be one of my questions. Maybe one of you two can help educate me is why, why is this such a small field? Why, you know, why don't they bump it up to 64 guys or something like that? I'm not entirely sure on that.

Because I feel like the whole deal is it's a guaranteed paycheck, right? So you're only splitting a limited purse amongst 20 guys versus, you know, where I get to with it is like most everything with the, with the OJBR these days, it just makes it feel very arbitrary and subjective, right? Like it, it's like they're making up the rules as they go along. And like, and we're right back to the last place dude in this event who didn't be to sing with us, including a couple of like sponsor exemptions to round out the field, gets, will gets world ranking points for this.

Like that's insane. They had, that was a flaw in the old system that had gone away in some way. I think it was even WGC's where guys, we're automatically getting world record points just for showing up, which is just wrong. Like the whole thing should be about you earn amount of points for beating,

you know, a certain caliber of player. And it does, again, there's a lot of noise about OWGR right now. And I think that a lot of people addressing kind of looking at the result of how points are distributed and pointing to the flaws in it, how the heck does Dubai get less points than the RSM. When in reality, I think the answer to these, to solving a lot of these issues is changing the distribution of points. I've said this last few weeks, changing the distribution of points in the limited field events, where it's more top heavy towards the top of these events, which would have helped the top players in Dubai as, uh, ROM was wanting and then

for like, for this event, that would prevent giving out too many points to the 20th place guy that beat nobody. So it, it's, which like, and they clearly knew that that was an issue four or five years ago when they fixed it. And then they came up with this new system and like created the issue all over again and then didn't fix it. And you know, I feel passionately about this

because Tommy Fleetwood was the guy that finished 20th. And so I'm all four of him getting points usually, but man, like even Tommy, like hand up, man, he that sucks. And again, a point to be made about this and I know this is the go to event for the live boys that want to compare this to live. Like you do have to qualify for this event. Yeah, and there's a couple sponsor exemptions, but it goes to the top ranked players in the

world. There is a, and this is one event in a tour full of so much qualification and so many qualified players to be there. I, I just need all you boys out there to understand how big the gap is still between this event and live yet. I also hear you and that this event does not need well ranking points. It should be an end of season. Hidden giggle.

Solly's, solly's standing up. This is a meritocracy, goddamiggle. Solly, solly standing up. This is a meritocracy, goddamn it. It's not a club talker. It made more sense in the, so at this, in the old system, this was the time of the year when the European, the DP World Tour guys racked up a ton of points right before the close of the year to get into the top 50 to get Masters exemptions out of it.

Now that they can't rack up nearly as many points near the end of the year in the new system, this is not helping level a table anymore. This is tilting the favor too far and strong of the PGA tour and that there's just no reason either to have this many points or the distribution should be the way that it is. That's my opinion. Thank you.

Thank you. That's big of you, so. You're welcome. I don't know why you're thinking me for this, but. No, I just feel like I saw Noose Faratu on Twitter today, our OWGR expert God said that somebody on the Asian tour would have to win 20 times in two years to get up inside the top 50, which seems like

maybe a little bit extreme. I mean, 20 wins, like, it's a lot. That would be pretty, like 20 wins and 40 events, basically. Where, you know, maybe that should be like 10 wins or 12 wins. I think you should get an auto exit. 20 seems a little extreme. You know, I don't, like, I don't disagree with the math there. Like, that seems like a lot.

Yet, at the same time, under the old system, you could get into the top 50 without ever having played any of the top 50. You can, it's basically like UCF, the UCF could win the national championship. Yeah. God, they just got us. Nice. Catching straight.

Yeah. Wow. I bet you hate Liberty and Coast Carolina. Of course, it's me that switches the conversation to football. Now we're never going to get it back to golf. But I mean, boys, he's state. What did they ever do? So yeah, look, you gotta beat the best players

in the world to get to the top. You know, I get it. Like the OWGR was propping up golf a lot better around the world to this point, and it's not gonna be the case anymore. And if people wanna make the case of the OWGR should be doing that, I don't necessarily disagree.

It's just like not in the mandate of what they're trying to do as well. And that's, oh, I feel like the mandate is to get the best field, you know, into the majors, but I do think I totally agree with you that there was, it was way too weighted towards the rest of the world prior. Now I feel like it's creating a closed circuit, a closed system where it's going to be too hard to break in and it's not going to, like, and it's just, you know, it's going to lead to like the death of some of these other tours, basically where like, unless you're like, it's, like, I don't know how the DP World Tour is going to survive, you know, after the next four or five years. Well, that's where I think the strategic alliance in theory would come in.

Like the PGA Tour should be taking over some of the responsibility of the survival of that tour. But I'm not sure that the PGA tour should be taking over some of the responsibility of the survival of that tour. But, but I'm not sure that the PGA tour really even. I'm not either yet, you know, if they're going to elevate these events, I'm going to keep saying this until somebody from the tour messages me after one of these podcasts, like, hey, here's why this is not going to happen. I'll keep saying it. You need to have some of these, these coasts, you need to have more coasts, action events

at the DP World Tour and elevate those. Like you need to share the wealth with this tour that is now feeding your tour. They have to get something out of this deal. I think a lot of people are kind of clowning on Pelley a little bit to say, they've basically become a feeder tour to the PGA Tour. It's like, do the alternative here was not a great one. Again, it's kind of like the changes to the PGA Tour. The status quo was going to go out the window on this.

The DP World Tour was in serious, serious trouble. And so, like this, well, I mean, Pellie should have just gone with the Saudis. Honestly, that was the solution. Well, yeah, I wonder, I do wonder though. I mean, of course the Saudis are saying that they made this offer of whatever and blah, blah, blah. And I'm sure it was not as easy as like,

here's a billion dollars with no strings attached and it's gonna go exactly the way you wanted to. But yeah, I'm glad to see you agree with Sergio that this whole tour is fucked and you should have taken the study money. Listen, I love the, like I love the year of tour, I love the Deep Who World tour. Like that's why I'm pissed off about all this, right?

Yeah, are you pissed off about it though? Like I, what is to be, what are'm pissed off about all this, right? Yeah. Are you pissed off about it, though? What do you pissed off about if that is the case? No, I just feel like, I don't know. I just feel like it's a little bit of a slap in the face to the rest of the world. It's basically sending the message, like, if you want to be one of the top 50 players in the world, or top 75 players in the world, you have to complete the United States. Period point blank. I don't know if that's a great message to send. Like if somebody wants to play golf on a, like, the European tour has a great history and an excellent track record.

And yeah, like they've gotten absolutely bone the last decade plus by, you know, currency and, you know, the economies and, you know, sponsorship stuff in COVID, but, you know, and really like a lack of strategies for as trying to own the rest of the world and not really having any critical mass anywhere. But man, I don't know, I just, it sucks for golf, I guess, a little bit, right, where it's, you know, there's the, I think there's a certain loss there. I mean, perfect example is this week, like the, the hero world challenge every year goes up against the Australian open, which sucks, right? Like the Australian open

should be one of the best events on the entire calendar, in my opinion. And it's, you know, it's not. It's the, it was the first event on the DP World Tour schedule for, you know, the following year. And, you know, it's just like, it was such a bummer turning that tournament on on, I guess that was Thursday night when I first turned it on. And it's like, holy shit, these are some of the best golf courses in the world. Prime conditions, it's like summer down there right now and none of the top players are there. It's tough. And I think that's to the detriment of golf at large.

I agree with you and I thought about this a lot this past week and where I kind of net out on a lot of this is like how I also feel about like bandin should have a US open. And you know, Cypress Point should have a tour. Like on the surface, that makes total sense and I want that, yet the business reality of it

seems really far away from that. So what is the solution to that, right? The purse this week was a million and a half for the men and a million and a half for the women in the Australian open. And so, it's just like, the realist in me is saying, comparing this to like, all right, the easy answer to the PGA Tourist Seven event

in Australia, right? The easy answer here is there's $20 million events being put up all over the US next year. What would the purse have to be to get the top players in the world to go down there and play the Australian open? Other than like make it a major, how would we do that? I want that, how would it happen? I think it would happen just like what the PGA

Tour is doing with the Lies, other events, right? They'd have to net up the purse, right? From, you know, from the coffers. I, like, I, it just brings a little hollow when these guys say we don't want to play that much in the off season or in, you know, November, December, and then 16 of the top, you know, however many in the world show up the first weekend in December and plan the Bahamas. Like, you can't have it both ways, guys. I'm guessing Tiger has a lot to do with that.

If Tiger's name wasn't on that. Totally, but also like, I don't know. I feel like Tiger needs to set a better example as well. Like, I mean, heroes of freaking Indian company too, right? Like, they're sponsoring the hero cup, the, you know, kind of the prep event for the heroes and the, and the brits to prep for the rider cup. They're obviously willing to spend money on golf around the world.

Just like Tiger wants to have this event in the Bahamas. I mean, shit. Randy's guy, SBF, was down there. The whole week. It's a little sensitive right now, Tron, but yes, he most definitely is my boy. So I don't know the answer, but I think the only way an Australian open this time of year is going to become a marquee event is the PGA tour drastically reworking their schedule and really their philosophy with what they're trying to do. Which, you know, we can discuss that.

I wouldn't mind if they did do that, but yeah, short of that, I'm not sure the work around, I guess. I think that would be fantastic. I think if the Australian Open was an elevated $20 million event that they all agreed to go play and it was a co-section with the DP World Tour, that would be fantastic. I don't know if that's realistic, right? I would hope that to work. I really would.

And I hope that as the years go by, they start to make this thing more global. If it's outside of these elevated events, the chances of them all getting together or any group getting together is so unbelievably small now, right? That is a casualty of, and that's where I've just struggled internally of like this consolidation of all the top players all at once, you know, playing at the same time is I think a good idea. Yet there is the casualty of this is like going to be heavily centralized golf, right? We don't like how spread apart the PJ tour events are and how much golf all around like

I enjoy different aspects of golf all around the world. You have at the same time like it sucks attuned to the Australian Open and see that kind of field for it, right? So I just don't know what the there is no easy solution and I don't know what the what the real solution is. I mean, some of it though feels like like do we need two events at the beginning of the year in Hawaii? Like, I mean, shit, F1 starts in Melbourne every year, right? And like, I'm not like, maybe the Australian open needs to move to early January, start the season there.

And then, you know, everybody kind of, you know, like it's kind of an all branch. Or you don't even have to make it an elevated event every year, but make it an elevated event that, you know, kind of like a certain national open every year takes on the mantle of an elevated event and rotates every three to four years. All I'm saying is it just feels, you know, we can go to Japan, we can go to Korea, and I know there's sponsorship dollars there, but I think at some point, if the tour said, hey, you know what, we're going to make this worth it for guys to go down there. It's important. It's part of the, you know, the, like, the whole international golf scene. I just think it's, it would happen, right? And, you know, they're trying to make it happen with another president's cup down there. I think,

you know, that, it sounds like the governor, the government of Victoria is trying to put up some money to make that happen. And you know, for what, 20, was that 2026? Sorry, 2028. And yeah, it's just one of those things where it's like, it's important if you say it's important, right? And they just won't say it's important. And I think that there's a big difference here in like 2023, 2024 plan and like 2031, maybe, right? Like does, does do things consolidate and become a world global

tour? I don't see that in the next two years, right? I think that maybe they're going to inch their way into that with, you know, some hopefully with some co sanctioned events, you know, elevated events that travel a little bit. But I also think if these tour, if these American, a lot, it's mostly American based tour top tour players that are kind of leading the charge on this. And I include Rory in that, despite the fact that he's a European, if you can go stand up a bunch of $20 million tournaments without having to get a passport out, I have a feeling

those guys are going to prefer that. So I'm not saying that's right. Totally. And that's the guys making the decisions right now. All I'm saying is there's a responsibility once you go from being the, you know, one of the dominant tours in the world to being the dominant tour in the world and Exerting that influence on the world golf rankings and consolidating all this power that you got to pay it for you got to pay it back or pay it forward a little bit Right like you got you got to start thinking like you're a steward of the game and not just a steward of the 125 guys that have PGA tour I would say once you've short up your existence, yes.

I still think they're fighting a little bit for their existence. Decently solid ground right now, yet it's again, couple dominoes falling and things could still look very, very different from the PGA tour, including they can't get this 2024 schedule figured out. I think that, you know, I think there are long ways away from thinking along those lines You know, I wish it wasn't the case, but I just don't think it's Like what there I don't I doubt the torp the torp rose that are like starting to call the shots are like you know We really need to start paying this forward. I just I know I know I hear you. I think it's a good point, Tron

And then I totally agree with you. I I Think to me it comes back to the incentives of the PGA tour leadership, and I just don't think anything really is gonna change like we're talking about until they have a different directive than let's try to maximize the number of starts for guys. Because if you really want to start creating like what would an ideal PGA tour look like as far as number of events and where it just runs smack into they have one incentive

which is to just maximize starts it feels like so I don't know I'm not very optimistic about anything changing anytime soon. No, I'm more beaten down than disagreeing with UTC, right? I mean, yeah, no, I hear you. And it would seem like if you're ever gonna be in an existential crisis where you might have your futures up in the air, like if we can't make the drastic wholesale changes now, then I don't think they're ever going to be made.

It's just funny to me that like, like, you know, professional tennis players play all over the world. Yeah. Every year, you know, like race car drivers are racing all over the world every year, going 200 miles an hour in different time zones. And I think the thing that just like looking back at, say like when they had the President's Cup at Roe Melbourne and we couldn't even get the top guys

to go down for the Australian Open that year. You know, like Tiger said, you know, we're having the hero of the week before. It's like, fuck, man, come on. I think that's just a product of having so many different global tours and not one big global organization, right? I mean, it'd be like if there was an F1, I mean, I don't want to make the analogy, I'm sure I'll make a horrific one, you know. But if there's a different racing league

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he'd be the host of the event and Ranger Rick out there, which he said, Ranger Rick, I did not hear it in the presser. I watched the presser and I missed it. It was like one of his first answers. He did say I get to be Ranger Rick out there. He did spit. The planter fasciitis sucks. Can I tell you what does it mean?

What does that mean to be Ranger Rick out there? I thought the whole thing was when you're stripping it on the range. I thought so too, but now I think it means he thinks he's a coarse Ranger. Oh, okay. All right. He's trying to be hitter ball. Well, that's weird because the most famous time he has used the phrase Ranger Rick in the past was purely like hitting balls on the range.

Yeah. All right. Whatever. I will say, Planner Fashiyahid is like, I wouldn't wish that upon my worst enemy. My wife has it right now and like she can barely walk. It's, it feels like somebody stabbing you through the bottom of your foot every time you put your heel down. Don't love it. That's truly terrible.

I should say with Tiger, this was in Tiger's joint presser with Dr. Mungal, of course. So Dr. Mungal's got some of the best hair on the planet. I was upset to see in the 15, 11 page transcript that Dr. Mungal did not receive any questions from any of the journalists there. So be better, golf media. Come on, we need to get to the bottom of the bottom of some of these things. He did say some interesting things in the press conference. If you'll allow me, he made a call for Greg Norman to go.

It sounds a whole heck of a lot like the language that Rory has been using. He said, I see that there's an opportunity out there if both organizations put a stay on their litigation, but that's the problem. They've got to put a stay on it. And whether or not they do that or not, there's no willingness to negotiate

if you have a litigation against you. So if they both have a stay and then have a break and then they can meet and figure something out, then maybe there's something to be had. But I think Greg has to go first of all. And then obviously litigation against us and our counter suit against them. Those would have to be at a stay as well. So then we can talk, we can talk freely.

He's using the TC talking points. Going after third leg Greg, saying he's got to lose his job, talking about the OWGR. Next thing, he's going to be calling for a game job too. I still, does anyone know what reconciliation with Liv looks like at this point? I still don't understand it. I, he was kind of asked it and didn't really answer it as well.

I've not heard any of the people that are are calling for this to come to the table Come to like maybe they don't want to put it out there what what a good you know mediation would look like Do you guys have any as your insight? You know you're out looking on this change at all as to what a reconciliation would live would look like at this point I I mean obviously I Just off the top of my head here, but I do think a reconciliation would have to look like, you know, the PGA setting their elevated events, right? The live tour setting the dates of their however many events and kind of staying out of each other's way on certain predefined weekends and then beyond that I think allowing the live guys.

What's weird is it's you don't really see like a two way street and maybe that is part of it is guys are free to play the live events and then the live guys are free to play the PGA events But I like that's I don't know how else they coexist right like it's got to come down to that at some point Which to a certain extent the live guy like the live Schedule is already kind of an all of friends 100% if we're gonna give live a little credit They're events do not go up against the biggest to wear events And that's now granted that's that's kind of, you know, benefit. That's exactly that's strategic on their end. And that was under with the assumption that they might be able to that some of these

guys would be able to, you know, a part of the recruiting was like, these events are not going up the big against the big events. And you guys will be able to play both totally. It just turned out to not be the case. But I just can't see there being any reconciliation when these guys have monetized it the way that they have and guys like Tiger or Rory or JT or Spieth haven't gotten paid out. Like, you know, there's there's a there's in granted. Yeah, they've gotten netted up by the tour to a certain extent, but and the other guys have had to make sacrifices with regard to sponsors and, you know, and

the like, but it just seems like there's as long as that's the case, you know, when Tiger said, Hey, I could have taken this and made $850 million or whatever, you know, it just seems like that's going to be always at odds. Yeah, I still see it as I don't think the tour has much to gain from reconciliation right now. I think the live guys have way more to gain out of be able to play both tours. And the tour is probably should be pretty thrilled with who they've still retained.

Would cam Smith and Dustin Johnson and Bryson and Brooks help a lot would fill help a lot. Yes, but not in their current state. Like I just don't again, I don't know you a back and forth system or a system where they're allowed to play on the PGA tour has so many consequences beyond like the very short term of sure why wouldn't you want Dustin Johnson and Cam Smith playing with the best players in the world. I would want that. I wish these guys did not go and and play on this tour, but

there's a there's hell to pay if that all of a sudden becomes allowed because they have taken a hard line stance and maybe you can disagree with that, but again the whole structure of the PGA tour is held up by owning those media rights and grouping these players together for the mass good of these players. So. And looking down the leaderboard at the hero this week, there's plenty of good players on the PGA tour. Still like, I'm not missing, like yeah, I'm missing Patrick Reed allegedly improving his lie at the hero. You know what I mean?

Like, that was one of the headlines of the year a few years ago, or you know, Bryce and doing a much a nonsense, but really for the most part, there's maybe three, four, five guys that I miss. And otherwise, it's, you know, everybody that I want to watch on the PGA tour for the most part. Bryson's definitely missed. Like if Bryson was in the hunt today, that had been interesting. I guess my fear is also with Bryson that he's kind of done, you know, golf wise. I just don't, maybe he'll, maybe he'll get it back, but man, he's not been very, he's

not had much to, you know, hang his hat on for the last, I don't know, 18 months or so, which also sucks. Well you read these, these tiger answers and tiger voice. That's a lot to do. I'm not the best tiger impersonator back in try, but on reconciliation with live, again, when, when acid, they can coexist is right now, as there's no, not, not right now, not with their leadership, not with Greg in there and animosity towards the tour itself. I can't do it. See, that's way too much pressure.

I can get it. I just don't see that happening. I just don't see it happening. I still see it happening. As Roy said, and I said as well, I think Greg's got to leave. And then we can eventually hopefully have a stay between the two lawsuits and figure something out. But why would you change anything if you get a lawsuit against you?

They sued us first. Then on the OWGR, he says, yeah, it's a flawed system. That's something we all recognize. The field of Dubai got less points in Seattle and in more of the top players were there in Dubai. So obviously there's a flawed system. How do you preach? How do you fix it?

You know, there are meetings we're gonna have to have. We're gonna have to have it with the old World Golf Committee and as well as the main tours that are involved and it's somehow to come up with a better system than it is now in place, which yeah, it's throwing some a little bit of flames on the fire here that again, it's just he's oversimplifying the OWGR, I think is what I would say to this. And I think it seems like Rory has thought this out more than Rom and Tiger have thought this out. But again, I think it can be what he's talking about, committed, addressed with fixing the It seems like Rory has thought this out more than Rom and and Tiger have thought this out. But again, I think it can be what he's talking about, can be addressed with fixing the

distribution of points in limited field events. Mark Kinesaro managed to get this out with Phil's balls in his mouth, which was actually pretty impressive. Oh, allegedly, allegedly. He said, this is from the New York Post, good, Mark Kinesaro. A guy you know, like, Mikkelson, for example, obviously is the face of that. And he took a lot of criticism. And he's taken most of the bullets for that, so to speak.

And he was criticized heavily by players on the tour for whom it now will be more, a lot more money at tournaments because of him shaking that tree. Do you feel like to some degree they owe an apology for that? Or, and he gets cut off. No, absolutely not. We took out an enormous loan during the pandemic in which that if we had another year, the pandemic, our tour would would only be sustained for another year. So we took out an enormous loan.

It worked. And it paid off in our benefit. Hence we were able to use that money to make the increases that we've made. Fact check you hear. Torted not to go to the enormous loan. I don't know where Tigers getting this. It's amazing. They both fill it.

Tiger both have this very wrong. It's Phil was tweeting at Kyle Porter this week who was, you know, tweeting out some of these quotes during the press or so. I'm guessing that Phil is texting Kanazaro all these things to say. And we didn't get the answer that he wanted, you know, he threw out some also unreconcilable numbers in a tweet to Kyle Porter about how many assets the tour has. And I think Phil just wants to cash out his retirement early. That's like the basis of it.

He keeps pretending like assets on the tour's balance sheet are just free and clear and should be distributed to players without understanding how the pension program works. But they should let him take a balloon payment, take a little haircut on his pension. And but no, I mean, it sounds like Tiger Mystic, enormous loan for laying off some, you know, people around the global home and trimming some stuff

and freezing raises and- Dipping into the reserve. Dipping into the reserve is like taking out a loan. And like, it's a way of phrasing it. That's not very accurate, but it's also like, how we talked about in the podcast with Harry Higgs this past week of, you're borrowing from the future a little bit to pay these purses up this next year.

It's the money is set to go up a lot and it's going to be just a smoother increase over the next seven years probably than was probably initially planned because they needed some quick wins basically. And are a bit of borrowing from the future as the TV deal goes up and up and up every year. It's kind of, it's what, it's why Al Gore talked about the social security lock box. You know, we need a lock box, so we can't borrow

into the future like that. T.C. does. I like that one. That one's working for me. A few other things he said, I can hit the golf ball and hit whatever shot I watched. Can't walk. Can't get any steps.

I can't, that's such a good quote. Like in the pantheon of Tiger quotes, I think that, I mean, it's top 10 already, I think. The next part, it's even better. When I was a home, I was shooting four, five, six, seven, hundred probably, it was nothing, but it was in a cart. Now you add in walking and that goes away. I need, I need to get to where I, the point where I can actually walk around and play that way, like all you guys can. I'm just, I'm just not able to do that goes away. I need to get to where I, the point where I can actually walk around and play that way,

like all you guys can. I'm just, I'm just not able to do that right now. I also don't know how you get there with a leg that seems barely attached to him, but like, it was funny. There were some people going after him, like, like, oh, yeah, it's like, yeah, of course he has planar fasciitis. He's probably going to get turftone next year because he's overcompensating for planar fasciitis. Like, there's all these downstream effects

from having a leg and a knee and an ankle that are completely fused and don't work properly. It's gonna start affecting other shit, right? Yeah, and he was asked about riding in a cart in a PGA Tour event, and is it Tiger? Could you have played this week in a golf cart? Say again Tiger could you have played this week in a golf card? Say again. Could you have played this week with a golf card?

He said, yeah, but you won't you won't play this week, but you would at the father's son. I can't hear you. And then he said, yeah, the father's son is a sanctioned senior event so they can all use golf cards. He doubled down basically saying, like, I voted against, you know, Casey Martin using a card. He said, I think walking is part of golf and we'll not be riding in a card in PGA tour events, which I would urge him to reconsider that. I can understand why he has that position.

But if you want to talk about like one bullet, the PGA tour has left in the chamber. It's bringing that guy out to ride around a cart and play PGA tour events, which I'm sure that's a slippery slope. But if we can't. It's bring that guy out to ride around to cart and play PGA tour events, but I'm sure that's a slippery slope. But if we can't make an exception for that guy, I don't know. I don't know what we're doing here. I think props to Tiger. I don't, you know, I don't think he should be out there.

If you can't walk like, you know, it's just that's it is what it is, right? And it makes it that much more, you know, fleeting that we get to see him. But it's like this year, like I doubt it, you know, I would imagine he's probably not gonna play Oak Hill, right? It's mid-May in upstate New York. I would imagine he plays Holi, and I would imagine he plays LACC and the Masters. And I'd love to see him play Harbor Town.

I keep saying this, but like, there's no easier walk out there than Harbor Town. Yeah, I could see him clicking that one off. TPs saw grass would make sense, right? I guess it just depends on it sounds like he needs like legitimate, like a month of rest after every time he plays, right? So that would probably, which is why Harvard town doesn't probably doesn't make sense. It's why the players probably doesn't make sense as well.

So I honestly, if we saw him outside of those three events that you mentioned this next year, I'd be surprised. I think that's probably the, what we, the best expectation we could have is that he'd play three of those, which is crazy. Like that'd be two straight years of just, you may not, is he ever gonna play another PGA tour event again? I would say yes.

I bet he gets a wild hair. Yeah, maybe like the Genesis one year or something. Yeah. It is an interesting, I think it's an interesting conversation. We don't have to get too far into it just about the carts on tour and whether a person, I still think that's a very interesting topic to discuss. How much of a walking is a part of professional golf? Yeah. And I don't know the answer. of a walking is a part of professional golf.

Yeah. And I don't know the answer. Where I know. That's why I'm like, I don't really know because I can see both, I can see it both ways where you know, we, we, there's a physical nature to pretty much every other sport, right? It should be that way in golf.

And then, you know, somebody like a Casey Martin, for instance, or like a Tiger Woods now, right? The idea that using a cart is perhaps like a competitive advantage. I guess I don't really buy that because I think any competitive advantage is negated by the disadvantage of having, you know, a, some type of injury from birth, some type of muscular, skeletal disorder, in the case of tiger, you know, some very traumatic injuries. I don't know.

We saw this with Oscar Pistorius in the Olympics, right? I don't, there's no clean answer, but I think it is fascinating. Well, Ann, it's a weird thing too, when you juxtapose, like, I'm kind of wrestling here with myself where I'm pro Casey Martin having a cart, because it's something that, you know, like it's so laborious for him to get around the golf course. Anyway, even in a cart that, you know,

I think that, yes, like he should be able to apply his craft for whatever reason for Tiger, maybe because it's more of a recent injury and more of something that's been sustained in the latter part of his career that I don't think he should be allowed to and I don't think he will, right? Because I feel like he's always prided himself on being the tough guy or being, you know, and, but like it's just an interesting juxtaposition between if you're born or have, you know, have something that is, you know, unchangeable or that, you know, is a lifetime affliction versus something that happens to

you along the way, how we treat those differently. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. My only thing with this is truly, like I'm truly asking for an exception for Tiger because I don't know who the person that stands up that's like, I don't want this, this is truly, like I'm truly asking for an exception for Tiger, because I don't know who the person that stands up that's like, I don't want this, this is unfair, this is not worth, we do not want this guy

in the field riding around a cart. This would be bad for everyone if this happened. I think it's truly, I don't like care what the rule is literally, I think it's just like, make, in all times to make an exception in this weird time, we got Tiger, we let him ride around the car. Nobody asked any questions.

We could all agree on that, right? Nobody asked any questions. Let's have this happen. I think that's the same conversation they had when they gave O2B jar points to the hero. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I had tried, I was gonna say it's, yeah,

that's what makes it interesting is with a guy like Tiger who obviously there's some pride there, or like a John Daly, right, who could be argued, you know, how much did your lifestyle play into your current condition? I guess I would like to see more of a, this is just selfishly. And again, this just speaks to people who are able to walk. Like, I wish we would lean into the walking aspect of golf, and let's make American golf more of a walking sport, which of course will not happen. But if we have it that way at the top, at the top of the game,

then certainly we can kind of try to work that spirit down into you know the everyday people I don't know. It's an interesting. Let's get rid of the shark experience. The shark experience is a stain on the spirit. Anything else you guys have from from the hero? Any concerns Rom keeps being chippy. Any concerns there. What did he say this week that you're concerned about? It's just winging more, like he was saying about how the tour wouldn't have changed if not for live. Which I think. That's true.

Like it, it definitely expedited the process and they changed. Oh, that's a million percent true. Yeah, but yeah, it's just kind of, you know, he continues to be kind of out front and chippy and lob and stuff at the tour. Does he kind of feel like the- Maybe that's just by design. Does he kind of feel like the pretty girl that wasn't picked, you know, with Rory and

JT kind of being the faces a little bit? According to Luke Elvy, he is. Luke Elvy had it in San Diego. The San Diego. The Rory got paid a bunch of money by the tour. There was like six things to that one tweet that They were like, oh, there's like those are all illegal. I'm pretty sure what you're applying here. Yeah. That'll be sick like truly sick like deranged sick. Do you want to take us to the the the war council report TC?

T.C. Well, our man, James Corrigan, friend of the program, he reported in the telegraph that the war council, quote unquote, was to meet at the match this week as TOR and majors prepare to discuss live. I thought interestingly, he said it is yet, it is as yet unclear if Fred Ridley, the chairman of Augusta National will also be at the upscale course, which I find ironic because this is Fred Ridley federal course. But I guess this has been refuted, I guess, by people at the tour, but they were saying,

Seth Waw, Monahan, Pelley, Mike Wann, all planning to be in attendance there to discuss how to handle live moving forward, which would seem like kind of a fraught thing anyway, considering the Department of Justice investigation and other pending lawsuits. Correct. Yeah. I know of another meeting that's happening. I believe this week of some kind involving at least some of these people.

So I don't, I would have surprised me if they're also meeting again at the match. Also just, I'm, I'd be curious why they need to meet now. And as far as I would guess a lot of the decisions and communications they've had over the past, you know, weeks, months and years would have prepared them for this. I don't know what their action point is right now, right?

And I really do think it should be up to the individual majors and not involve the PGA tour in this or the DP World Tour to talk about their exemption criteria and make decisions on that. And I think if the PGA Tour is smart, based on the little, I'm not a lawyer, of course, disclaimer, I don't know why you would want it even perceive that you were involved in that part of the process, right? I think the BGA tour, DB World Tour, Asian tour, all these top tours and the majors should be all on the same page, get together in agreement about the ranking system that is used as part of the qualification criteria for both majors and their events. That is what the ODBGR is. They should all be on this together.

There's not, again, to revisit it, it's not like the OWGR needs to be independent. This is the board that has gotten together to say the world golf needs to abide by these criteria so that we can start to measure golfers playing all around the world. And it's live golfers that want this OWGR system to bend over backwards for them. And I don't see any obligation of any kind for that OWGR system to bend over backwards for them and I don't see any obligation of any

kind for that OWGR to do that. Yet at the same time, I don't think the PGA tour needs to be involved in major championship exemption and qualification discussions. I could not maybe understand their role there, but that's what I would think would be the wisest for them. I just hope they're using protection, like burner funds. They need to be using burners. Oh, anything else?

You want to go to PIP next? You want to go Australian open? Do you want to go? What do you want to do next? Just one more time. I still can't believe that that SBF was hanging out down at Albany this entire time. And there were news reports up there

with Tigers yacht in the background. Like, you know, just that's where he's at. Like, it's crazy. Who do you think is the golfer that have most likely to have been caught up in the FTX collapse? Justin Rose. Really?

No, I mean, Bryson's brother, Bryson, right? I would think so. Or Phil. Yeah. No. Call him more. I could tell Brady was called up in it, right? I could see him more, Cawa.

You know, not your keys, not your coins. Right. Look, Colin. He was called storage. Come on, guys. This is day one stuff. Yeah, he really feels like Colin's a little bit of an empty vessel. You got a, that's your boy big.

Come on. I know, I am tied to him, which I have to ride for him, but I could see him not asking maybe some good questions. Okay, we'll revisit that. He's so polished, I feel like he has all the questions. Yeah, I think it, yeah. We don't have, I'll eject from this conversation. So let's go to Pip stuff. Okay, we don't have, I'll eject from this conversation. Sorry, let's go to PIP stuff.

Okay, we missed this last week because we did not have a recap. This came out around Thanksgiving week. Tiger Woods wins the PIP, which went up to $100 million for this year. He wins 15 million Rory, wins 12 million in second, speed, 9 million in third, then JT, ROM, Sheffler, Zander, Fitzpatrick, Xalatoris, and Fina, rounding out the top 10. Colin Moore, Kauwa is 11th yet again. Again.

This time he gets $3 million for it, as the pep was expanded from 10 people to 20. Shane Lowry, Kevin Kitsur. He got $2 million haircut though. Like that had to piss him off, right? Like Fina got 5 million at 10th place. Colin gets 3 million in 11th place. He needs to come do more podcasts.

That's all I got to say about that. Shane Lowry, Kevin Kisner, Max Homa, Billy Horschl, all 11th through 15th, they get three million. Ricky Fowler, Adam Scott, Jason Day, Patrick Cantley, and Victor Hovlin, round off the bottom. They all got two million. And because the criteria will be slightly modified for 2023, three additional players. What have that would have qualified with those adjustments all made the list as well and got two million dollars.

That's a decky Cameron Young and Sam Burns. All got the PJ tour would be very interested in keeping that they added in this in through through $6 billion in total their way, probably smart decision. But year two of the PIP, where do you guys stand on all this and how this list shake out? Shook out. See? I mean, the fact that Jason Day got shipped off, I don't necessarily, I don't know what he did this year to kind of earn that.

Like Billy Horsel getting shipped for for riding for the tour being the being the director of comms for the tour. Also kind of a tough look for Sam Burns. One one twice had a really good year and you know finishes outside the top 20. I think yeah Jason Day one was surprising TC. I'm with you. I'm like I'm not sure if anybody's really thinking about him. Q score.

He got, that's a Q score. He is fifth in Q score. And he was not top 20 in anything else. What a disgrace. Any other categories. I thought the two positions that surprised me the most besides that, though, were speed being all the way up at three.

And then, Zalatoris at nine. I have to think, literally, I wonder how much Zalatoris' putting stroke played into him finishing nine on the PIP. He was, Zalatoris was second in Nielsen this past year in terms of just, that means TV coverage basically. He was just involved. He was second on that only to Sheffler which caused a lot of it he was way down 44 than the MVP index

which this is again this is created by speed's dead speed's dead which speed got fourth in that JT got second in that one Tiger got first in Google first in meltwater first in Q score first in index, 41st in Nielsen. Yeah. Meltwater. How about, I mean, can't lay has got to be pissed, right? Oh, got to be pissed about everything. Of course he is, but he was sick when the Nielsen, but 35th in Q score.

What did, so what did Lowry do? Is he just pulling huge numbers overseas? I would think so, but also pulling huge numbers overseas would make me think a decky should win this thing. I still don't know if they're properly accounting for international. I don't know. I don't know enough about how this stuff works,

but a decky not being in the top 20 of this is kind of, that kind of blows my mind. He's, yeah, he, Q-score is not gonna be one of the criteria in the next years, but he was 10th in Mark Golf fans and Mark, which basically is like a test they do with golf fans, they hold up your picture. And if you can name who it is, whoever wins that get the most recognitions,

wins the top of that, if you will. I mean, they should still be paying out Arnie then. And Jack, you know, that's a great point. Excuse me, Mr. Palmer and Mr. Nettles. I think that's a great, yeah. I love the pip. I think the pip is so stupid and so right for some sort of fraud or misdeed down the line that, you know, I just, God, I pray we get there one day.

Do you think it's stupid that the tour does this or do you think just overall this whole concept is stupid? I don't think it's stupid. I like, I get the idea of getting money to your most marketable players. So I'm not sure what a better way it would be, but this just feels very dumb. They should just lean into it and be like, hey, we're putting together, it's like the college football playoff committee.

Yeah. Right? Like, we're putting together a committee of like 10 dudes, 10 people, right? Dude, yeah, I ain't got it. And basically just getting a room, figure it out, tell us when you're done. I think that might be what they do.

That's what I've made. It kind of feels like that. But instead of just leaning into like, yo, this is totally subjective, they're trying to paint it all with this arbitrary, all these metrics and I don't know, it just all feels really phony to me. I feel like the list represents,

there's some surprise names up there, but also like some names that left for live this past year that would have been on there that I don't think, I don't think, Hovlin and Cantley would have made the list this year if Phil, if he was a friend. I mean, where do you think Cam would have, where do you think Cam Smith would have finished?

If he hadn't left, fourth, third, I would say somewhere around Shephler, I would think, I mean, Shephler won the Masters and a ton of tour events, Cam won the players and the open championship. I would think somewhere around that. I don't think he's passing ROM. I don't know. I would think maybe six, maybe around six would be the highest cam would have been. His Nielsen would have been off the chains though.

It would have, but I mean, passing Scotty is a big big effort. I don't know. We could probably, we might have to get that information. I mean, he played the full season on the PGA tour. So that might be, you got to worry about his meltwater though. That's true. He don't know if he melted hard enough. Rory won 8.6 million on the course this year, 18 million in the FedEx Cup,

1.7 in the Comcast Business Tour, top 10, and $12 million in the PIP. Total earnings from the tour this year, on course, $40.3 million. Which, to be honest, that feels right. Sure. Like LeBron's making, I think his salary with the Lakers is right around $40 million this year.

Westbrook's getting 47, so. So yeah, right? I mean, it's all, you know, granted NBA is the biggest, you know, one of the biggest things in the world, but it feels commensurate with the season that Rory had. Right. I would think so. I mean, that's where it's like, you know, the dudes that are sticking around and staying

on the PGA tour and play, they're going to be one, you got to play in all the elevated events that you're qualified for to get this full money and all those elevated events are going to be $20 million next year. Like these, these guys are going to be paid very well. It's not, it has to factor into your decision. Like you're going to be paid better at live, but it's looking less and less as this, you know, these trends move forward. Which question for you, is this the end of the road for Tiger in the PIP? I don't think so.

That's what I was gonna ask. Oh, T.C. But if you have to play on the elevated events. I did not think about that. We might be. Or are you gonna lobby for another exception? For the cat, cat gets all exceptions, you want to. I think we need to start writing for Mr. Nicholas

in the state of Mr. Palmer then. Yeah. That is an interesting question about the cat. We may have to, I'll dig into that this week and I'll report back next week. How's that T.C.? It's the cat's last stand. I think they're going to just make it.

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we've talked a little bit of the Australian open already, but take us to down under, if you will. So first and foremost, it was the split event, right? So the ladies, the men, and you had the adaptive kind of all abilities, they call it down there, which was really, really cool viewing, I think, on Thursday and Friday. Now, I did hear some winging from some players and just watching the telecast, you could tell that they softened the greens up a lot, where, you know, I think it's something where, like, in the past, the USGA had the US Open and US Women's Open back-to-back at Pinehurst.

Obviously, a little bit different setups for each of those. So it's a little bit more of a degree of difficulty to set the course up, especially on rock hard, Kingston Heath and Victoria, when you have the ladies coming in at far different trajectories. So I think some of the men struggled with more spin than you would imagine down on the sand belt. So I don't know if this is like the best, like I love the concept. I don't know if it's the best concept for a national open, like in one of the, you know, it's a smaller field and like one of the, because basically to do that, you have to do the smaller field, you got to do it, split over the two days and everything.

Obviously, two brilliant venues in both of them. There's some concessions to be made for it. Incredible. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that just kind of goes without saying. I think it's, you know, it was a cool thing. They hadn't had the, the, the, the, the Aussie open in a few years due to COVID. So it was kind of a great, you know, they had great crowds out there. Weather looked awesome. Presentation of the golf courses looked fantastic. Adrian Moronc, one by five shots. Shots to find around 63. He's like 28 or 29.

He's from Poland. He's making a run right now at the European Ryder Cup team. Adam Scott looked like he was going to be right in the mix. Shots 67 and lost ground today. So three more guys. Minwuli Alejandro, Kanazaras, actually four more guys, or three more guys, and Hayden Baron qualified

for the Open Championship via the Open Qualifying Series. And then on the women's side, Ashley Buhai, one kind of cap off a stellar year. That's a nice double with the women's British. Yeah, like that's a, that's about as classy in the last two years. On mirrorfield, right? Exactly, yeah, yeah.

Proper call, yeah. Yeah, one by one over GI shin and then Hannah green, Grace Kim, Minjee Lee, rounded out the top five there. I wanted to give a shout out to Marina Alex for going down there. She was one of the lone Americans in either field. Yeah, just kind of like not an LPGA sanctioned event. So pretty, not a whole lot of international stars

kind of made the trip down on the lady side either. She also got in a little bit of a dust up on Saturday or Sunday, but it's like a tradition to throw your ball into the crowd on the 18th hole. And I guess whoever she was playing with, I think it was Grace Cam like threw her ball and it seemed like it landed in a bunker and there was a big kerfuffle afterwards. And I don't think the handshakes happened. I think, yeah, I don't know too much more about it,

but I think it was Julie and Sue maybe to save Grace Kim from that. Okay. Yeah, it was very weird, because I just saw that one tweet and I was like, what, like there's gotta be maybe some word to that. But TC, I also wanna say, your girl, Jennifer Cup Show, is down there too, playing.

She was, she was. You know what, I had that in my notes, Randy, hand up there. I'm not the biggest Jennifer Cup Show fan, but credit where credit is due. That's, I think there's, now granted, the ladies, they played their biggest event in the year,

or their season finale, two weekends ago down in Naples, and so they're still a little bit fresher I think than than a lot of the men are. But yeah, I just I don't know. It makes me happy when I see people flying down to Australia playing golf at the end of the season. Watching this brought back some of the best golf memories I have which was going down with all you idiots. Randy, I know, listen, it's unfortunate you had to miss that one, but playing some of the best golf in the world, Kingston Heath and Victoria. Victoria is like, it's, it's a grower. The second time I played that one, that back nine just blew me off my feet and watching those pros play that 15th hole, drivable par four

that just represents so much brilliance of the game of golf left and and long of that green dips off greatly yet there's all these bunkers that cut up right up into the green. You got to shape the shot right. If you want to run it up onto the front of the green watching some guys play long of that green watch cam Smith played just in front of that green and easy to put for a birdie on that one. It's just it's the best style of golf watch. Look seen those bunkers just like, look, semi-dangerous, cutting so far into the green that you're just afraid somebody's gonna fall off

into a bunker while reading a putt. It's just, just absolutely world-class golf and I cannot wait to get back down there. And so sharp that you could cut yourself. Probably could. If you fall into one, yeah, I almost had tears in my eyes watching this this is your night. It was straight up.

Like the ball was bouncing on the fairways. The guys were playing all sorts of different shots. Even watching the adaptive guys. It was like, there was a stretch there, maybe six or seven minutes where there was like, like somebody almost made a hole in one on the lady's side. And then Adam Scott was just absolutely flagging it. And then a couple of the guys in the, on the adaptive side were, were hitting outrageous,

like 60 yard little, little, you know, pitch shots. It was, it was so cool. Like this should be one of the biggest golf tournaments of the year, along with the open championship, the masters, Riviera, et cetera. Like, it's just, like golf, the thing that makes golf special is the fact that it's played on these different courses and different settings

and different parts of the world, you know, more so than say a tennis court is the same everywhere you go. So like professional golf should go to the best venues and the best stadiums in the world. And these are by far, I would say, among the top five, top 10. Breach. Yeah.

Why the president's cup is staying in North America for the next international version of it is after the incredibly successful Royal Malburn one just blows my freaking mind. Yeah. Hate it. What did you guys think of the concept overall though between the men and the women? There was a lot bigger cut in the tournament. I thought it was really good television coverage like golf channel, you know, an NBC slapped their own

commercials on top of the telecast, which was a little awkward here and there. But for a tournament that I didn't need to know exactly what was going on at all parts of every golf course for all parts of the tournament and just watching the men and women play the course simultaneously and having two different tournaments and leaderboards to follow. It was working for me. I don't know if that's like a cut and dry blueprint that you can take back PGA tour LPGA tour with full field events like that and do it, but it was very it was working for me what this format was this this week. like that and do it, but it was very, it was working for me. What did this format was this week? Yeah, I totally agree. I, something that Bethann Nichols and I have

bemoaned is the lack of a joint event between the PGA and LPGA tours. I think that's a glaring, glaring miss by both, but I'll place more blame on the PGA tour. I like having the secondary cut, right? Cut it down after the third round. I think that that leaves you with kind of the cream of the crop, smaller fields in each of the men's

and women's events, but it's all like you said, having two finishes, right? Instead of just the one, gives you a better chance to have at least one being really dynamite. And then the all abilities of course as well. So really, I mean, they had three tournaments going, I don't see why you can't take that model and apply it to an LPGAPG even. I think like a lot of things, it's probably just want to and being able to, you know, put aside some other stuff and figure something out,

which they haven't unfortunately been able to do. I think there's no room to do anything like that with, say, like a 20 person in a very head like the hero world challenge. I know. TC wants another, he wants the LPGA players playing opposite the Australian open too. I think, I forget who made this point recently that I hadn't really fully thought of it this way, but one of two things has to break for a PGA LPGA event, either the women have to play for way less money than the men on the course at the same time, which is not going to be great optics for anything, or the LPGA purse has to so greatly outpace normal LPGA purses that it like doesn't fit in to the realm of the LPGA tour, basically. And it just basically hurts other other events so much.

And it hurts the structure of the LPGA tour to the point where it's just one event is grossly outsizing the rest of the year, which yeah, I don't know what I would say. I would say a mixed event is important enough to have that be the case on the LPJ tour. I mean, if you look at their tour championship, it's like a $7 million purse for 60 people, which is very lucrative. The majors have all done a really good job or most of the majors on the women's side really bumping up their purses. I just think it's so important to, to, to, God, I hate saying this. But if you really want to like grow the game, right?

Have them win in women, competing on the same course side by side, you know, fathers can take sons and daughters, mothers can take sons and daughters. It just makes too much sense to not happen. I don't know. I was really disappointed seeing the schedules for 2023 that they didn't get it done. I think they, you gotta pick the right course. And I think that's something with like,

the Australian Open that makes it even more challenging is like those courses have bunkers in front of the greens in so many different spots that make it very, very tough to set up. I mean, shit, let's start with the match, right? Can we get a co-ed match? I know. That feels like pretty low stakes,

like way to test this out, right? I'd be stunned at the next version. I don't have, I have no information on it, but I'd be stunned at the next version of the match to not win. I mean, to kind of bring it back to what, like some of the live stuff we were saying earlier, they're more than likely going to make, I mean, with the Aramco series, they're starting to make a play in women's golf, right? I think everybody expects them to make some type of play.

And I guarantee you what they're going to hang their hat on is join events, right? Large women's purses for the women's events, having them coincide with with the men playing. And really, it's like, they will be able to brag about that. It's going to be an embarrassing look for the PJ tour when that happens in my opinion. Rory did a fantastic interview with, of course, Paul Kimmage, I believe, of the Irish independent. He does these about every three years, which seems like it's more frequent than that. I think he spent about six hours together. Paul Kimmage has an incredible ability to draw a lot of emotion and information out of Rory.

And there's a lot to reflect on. But I'd like what jumped off the page to me in the early version that was published last week Basically talked a lot about playing golf at Tiger around Ireland. He basically gave Kai Tiger COVID Which Tiger said he never tested positive for it, but it was was feeling under the weather, but of course you can't hold Tiger down He is Yeah, I just have a son of some right? Yeah, I just have a son of some figure, all right. I was totally not. This happened at San Antonio this past week, past year before the Masters.

Where he said, I'd go to the range of the launch monitor. And Harry might say, okay, nine iron hit it 157. And hit my numbers regularly when conditions were normal. Then I'd be playing somewhere in the win and I hit one approach shot over the green. And the next would be short. And I'd look at Harry and say, fuck, what is going on? St Antonio was the final straw. And Kimmich says it was windy.

And Roy says, yes, I went to the tailor made guys after the round. I said, look, I'm done with this golf ball. I have no idea if it's going long or short. And they said Bob McIntyre's in the field this week. He's playing an older version of your ball. Why don't you see how you get on with that? So I hit a bunch from the 2019 TP5X on Thursday afternoon and the spin rates were a lot more consistent.

Then I played with it Friday and missed the cut which was a blessing in disguise. He said it's because it's a harder ball and I was able to come back and spend two days here with Harry on the range, working to bed it in, putting with it, chipping with it, trying to get more comfortable. It was a massive change to make on the eve of Augusta but it ended up being the best thing I did this year. There are some stats on it. Before Augusta,

I was ranked 207th on the PGA tour from inside 125 yards. And since Augusta, I've been ranked number one, like truly almost the worst on tour to being the best on tour due to a golf ball change. Which like answers the question of like, what, what is going on with Roy's wedges? How could he not hit good wedges? It's amazing that it took him that long to figure it out, but I'm glad we at least have an answer to that question after so many years of screaming. Yeah, I guess I just got to say like, damn, man, like that's kind of a bad look that it took you that long to say something or notice something or, you know, also I or notice something or, you know,

also I'll say Bob McIntyre should be on the rider team. Have these guys play all shots together. Yeah, that was just a stunning thing to reveal to the world. I mean, you could do that. One, I'm sure the sponsor's not too thrilled about this, but also like it just kind of exposes some poor decisions you were making along the way. And I'm appreciative of Roy putting that out in the world. I think Neil was asking the Calloway guys the same thing.

And then they actually told him, no, like we've got this down. It is your fault. That's you. John, I thought, sorry, real quick, John, I thought you raised an interesting question when we were chatting prior to recording the caddy situation has anything to do here, right? Would a more quote unquote established professional caddy, drive Rory to this ball decision sooner?

I don't know what the answer is, but I thought that was interesting, I guess. It's just like isolating variables, right? Like that's what you're doing here. And it's not even a slide on Harry. It's just, it's like somebody who's been through this before with another player, or in an esteemed career, somebody like a bones

or somebody like that. I'm sure there's been ball changes along the way, right? I want to say yes to that, Randy, yet also in the same article. He says that Tiger said, after the Ryder Cup's done, I'll help you with the same article. He says that Tiger said after the rider cup's done, I'll help you with the wedges. I see something and it took Rory six months to take Tiger up on that. It literally Tiger Woods is trying to tell you something and you didn't want to listen. Like I'm guessing that a caddy would not have been able to move

him off that. But that was another super interesting thing that Tiger was going to do it before the rider, before the rider cup. And then it took him until Bay Hill. And he said he showed up at Bay Hill and told Harry, watch this after he had learned a few things with the wedge. But I hit the shot. I hit the shot. You taught me, but I but I hit the shot.

We said this on money. He said, I remember sitting down with Philip Barker, my financial manager at derral in 2012. I was 22 years old. And he said, okay, we need to set some goals. This is where you are now. Where do you want to be when you're 30? So we came up with a number. And I said, if we're able to get to that, that's me and my kids and their kids sorted. I don't, I won't have a worry in the world. I hit that number at 25. So we reassessed and came up with another number to hit when I was 30. I hit that number at 25. So we reassessed and came up with another number to hit when I was 30. I hit that number at 27 and it gets to a point where when is enough enough? And and Kimmich says, I guess it depends on the goal.

Surely the only goal in life is to be happy. And he said exactly. And you think I was thinking about how much money I had on the Saturday night of the Ryder Cup. No, of course not. Was I consoling myself with the check I made at the open when I didn't win the Claret jug? No, I was distraught because that's not why you play. It's a sport. And I think with all the shite that's gone on this year, that people have lost sight of that. And I thought that was just a well summed up look at everything that's going on to say, I mean, one, I appreciate him walking through like how much faster he got really rich. And there's a lot more detail in there about like how he wasn't that rich before he signed the Nike deal in terms of, you know, when he won the US Open, again, it's relative wealth now.

But, you know, the first time you'd think you'd see 10 million pounds or something along like those lines, which I would have thought he would have had a lot more to that point. But I have no idea what that number looks like now, but it's definitely enough. It's, I agree, Sally. I think it's a nice quote, right? I think any time athletes, prominent athletes, right, some of the best in the world can offer such introspection and I don't know wisdom, right? I think it's nice to read.

I think Rory is certainly in a more unique situation than thousands and thousands of other professional golfers, but I'm glad for his sake that he really does, I don't know, he's a human, right? And I do really like that about him. I'm always the best man. And you know what, like, and like Harry, Harry seems the best too.

I don't want that to come off from earlier. I was like, no. Harry's doing a shitty job. Like we're always going on the bag for a reason and he's, you know, and he helps him out. I'm sure in fundamental ways that are, that are extremely subjective too. Keeps him loose and, you know,

traveling with a buddy and all that. Like it's, like, you know, traveling with the buddy and all that. Like, it's like, you know, by all accounts, like Harry is, is accretive to Roy's career. So I just want to get that out there too. I just, I read that quote. I'm like, Tiger would never let you have anything that, like none of this interview would happen with Tiger. It would all be such BS and it's, it's just all about as real as it, as it gets. He has some long quotes about Greg Norman. I'm gonna paraphrase it a little bit. He says, he message Greg after the shark documentary aired

on ESPN says, you know what, I'm a sentiment message. He said, I just watched your documentary on ESPN. I thought it was fantastic. It must have been very tough to do that. Hopefully it reminds everyone of what a great, great golfer you were. You know, then he said, there's another thing when I had my meltdown at August Augusta in 2011, Greg sent a lovely message and had been really helpful to me.

And he said, continues in his text, watching it reminded me of how you reached out to me in 2011. I just want to say that I always appreciate it. It meant a lot. I know our opinion on the game of golf right now is very different, but I wanted you to know that and wish you all the best. So he's just, you know, sending him a bit of an olive branch. And, you know, Greg replies, I think golf can be a force

for good around the world. Great to see you playing well. I know our opinions are not aligned. I'm just trying to create more opportunities for every golfer around the world. He says, fine, really nice. Then a couple of weeks later, he doesn't interview with the Washington Post and says,

I've been brainwashed by the PGA tour. I'm like, for fuck's sake, we've fine, really nice. Then a couple of weeks later, he doesn't ever hear with the Washington Post and says, I've been brainwashed by the PGA tour. I'm like, for fuck's sake, we've had this really nice back and forth and he says that about me. I thought, you know what? I'm gonna make it my business now to be as much of a pain in his arse as possible. It's like, hell, yeah, we've seen that since then, but just to spell it out, like, I'm gonna make it

my business to be as much of a pain in his arse as possible now. And then Greg replied, what about China with that Nike do? What, what did I do? I do just have to point out, we just got done saying, why do you play, it's a sport, right?

And then he's like, well, yeah, I'm gonna be petty and getting Greg's ass too. He's like, come on, Roy. But some of that comes down to being competitive, too. Yeah, yeah. And that's very human as well. That's a very human reaction.

But the juxtaposition was very funny to me. And he says, yeah, so as much as I'm anti-live, I feel the PGA tour of gotten lucky that Greg Norman has front of this up. I think if they had found some of the less polarizing lift could have made more Ed Wren. Like Randy's guy, Mark King. Mark King, but all right.

Green. Just that guy's got the biggest brain. God, I would have loved to see the ideas. Lastly, when did you find out Sergio had gone to live? He said, basically the week that he berated the rules official at the Wells Fargo in May. And Kimmins says, how did you find out? He said, he said to me on the range

that he got in a new plane that if I wanted to ride to him to the first live event in London, I was welcome. What an ass. God, Sergio, just like, like, when you, just when you think he's, he's as unlikeable as he possibly could be, he shows up on the Texas sideline. And then two weeks later, something else comes out.

And then Roy says something like that. And it just, it just keeps going to new, new, new levels. It's incredible. And there's more. There's way more in the interview. I highly encourage you check it out. Paul Camiches interview in the Irish independent with Rory. It, that's, that's, it's, a six hour interview. It took two parts, two full articles on, on Sundays to come out. And it's some of the best content that's out there. So thanks to both of them for doing that. You wanna bring us home with some notes you have here to see.

Yeah, I just had some kind of news and notes. Mike Weir was named International President, this cup captain for the 2024 iteration in Montreal, that we're all so excited about. There were three national opens this week. I wanted to make sure that that was communicated to the listeners South Africa, Argentina, and Australia. So I think that's unprecedented this year,

at least three national opens in the same week. There were three ladies who went on a golf trip. I believe they're in Vegas and they each got a hole in one on the trip. Do you guys believe that shit? I don't know. I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy.

Are you accusing them of faking it? No, no, no, I'm not. No, I'm just saying that that That's crazy. Are you accusing them of faking it? No, no I'm not no, I'm just saying that that's truly crazy. Although there was a guy that went out and allegedly set the course record at Chambers Bay and a lot of people are asking some questions about that. So there's there's some stuff on Instagram. Is this the fake Instagram video that was going around? Is that what you're referring to? Yeah, I didn't dig into deep. Okay. Well, this guy had this Instagram that went kind of nuts because it's like, here's how I shot 64 at Chambers.

And I thought it was a joke because like, it is second shot in the fairway. There's a divot right next to his ball. It's like incredibly obvious. Yes, okay. I thought it was a joke. I thought it was like, oh yeah, because there's a bunch of those videos that go out there

that like somebody tops it, but they draw the protracer, like it goes 380 yards. Oh, like this guy, like, oh yeah, because there's a bunch of those videos that go out there that like somebody tops it But they draw the protracer like it goes 380 yards. Oh like this guy like I don't know I saw it on like Colorado golf blog. I think they're Instagram somebody tagged me in it And it was I think you birdie 18 a chambers and but by all accounts It sounded like it was completely being passed as as legit and you know, it was not a joke at least as legit and, you know, it was not a joke at least. So we have to dig it out. Exactly. And then the Augusta 13th hold it photos.

I don't think we've talked about that yet. We have not. It is looking like it's apparently the scorecard yardage says 545 for the 13th hole now at Augusta. I saw some quotes flying around. Kisner played it. He thought it was gonna be terrible, but it's actually not that bad. I'm guessing this is just gonna lead to the ball not getting around that corner as much,

and that shot's just gonna be a lot longer into that green, which I think I was against it, and now I think I'm kind of like, you know what, just, you know, if you wanna hit four irons from 230, you know, that's better than seven irons into this. Totally, I guess. I mean, there's, there's, it changes the, the beauty of the shot

was getting it around the corner and that being part of the art, yet it just has been dumbed down by technology over the years. But also, some of that is like, the shot value, the second shot's gonna be a hell of a lot better now. It, like, it just pushed the shot value to the first shot before. And now it's like, you got to hit two good shots again, right? It also looks colossally stupid to walk back. Yes. 80 yards from where this T shot was hit in

the early 90s to this spot and having to buy land from Augusta Country Club and rerouting. It just looks so dumb. Although some of that was also done to put in like that, you know, you got to talk about the logistics there too, right? The maintenance road, of course. That was the main reason why they did it. You know, they got to refill the concessions and all that stuff. It was a choke point. A lot of live schedule, venue stuff, from what we can see, Dove Mountain, the international centurion. Are these facts, are all these facts or are these?

I think, no, no, these are reporting into this. We got the tracker accounts are going to pick up on this. We'll get to the tracker account a little bit. Okay. Uh, you know, a dove mountain is, is, uh, that's just rumored. Uh, I think the international is coming back. Centurion London's coming back to Rouse coming back. Uh, Sally, stop in West Virginia with your guy Jim Justice at the Green Breyer. That's been rumored bedminster. That's happened. I, that's happening. Yeah. Yeah. I think we knew that was happening when they first announced live, you know, two or three years ago. Singapore, Centosa, Rich Harvest Farms again. Adelaide. That one's been announced. I guess Trump DC is in the mix. Valde Ramas and that's happening. Okay. Trump. It's not announced what that's happening as well.

Myakoba and then potentially Oklahoma, Cedar Ridge Country Club, which Bonky labeled as a borderline second tier, likely third tier course in the area. So. I hope they bring as much military equipment to that West Virginia event as humanly possible. A military tribute of Celigar, just like everything. I wanted to be like a North Korean military parade that week.

I am as into following all the live details as possible. I feel nothing. Look at their schedule. I just don't know. There's just nothing interesting to me about it. I was their schedule. I just don't know. It's just nothing interesting to me about it. I was, I guess, hoping from, I don't know. I, I, I, that's why I feel like people are going to get really bored with this thing in year two. It's such a whiff. Yeah.

You need to cut about it. Yeah. Like it's such a whiff. It's crazy. I'm like, you know, and I know it's tough to line up, you know, events and stuff, but when you're splashing a ton of cash around, that, that, that, that at least makes it a little bit easier. Now rumors circulating down in Melbourne that the tour is being leaned on by the Victoria, like the head of the government in Victoria, who's a member at Kingston Heath. And so Royal Melbourne and Peninsula Kings

would have been told that they're out of the running for the President's Cup and Kingston Heath will be getting the President's Cup. But that's not confirmed, that's just a rumor. And I've been told from people to tour that that's not true. So we'll see what happens, but you know, there's some horse trading going on

because one of the concerns is that Royal Melbourne then we'll align with live potentially. So. I'll be a little, it seems like a very, very tacky and then we'll align with live potentially. So, I'll be a little, seems like a very, very, tacky for Royal Melbourne. If I may, yeah. Yeah. The PGA tour, they're hiring a big dick lobbyist

and a close personal friend of Kevin McCarthy, your kind, Randy. This guy's name is, let's see here. What is his name? Miller, Jeff Miller of the lobbying for Miller strategies. So, you know, and then, Sally, we played PGA Frisco this week. We did fields of ranch play the East course, the Gillhands course, which will be hosting future men's and women's major championships. Frisco this week. We did fields ranch by the East course, the Gilehan's course, which

will be hosting future men's and women's major championships. What were your thoughts, TC? I loved it. I didn't really know what to expect. Front lines good. There's some variety out there. Fifth hole is a ballbuster. Kind of that five, six, seven stretch. And then back nine is like pure cocaine, not that I've ever, not that I would know what cocaine is like, but it is, it is like, it is unbelievable. Man, I mean, like the, there's this crazy short for was at 15 up the hill. There's a couple of great part of threes. There's some, there's some wings on these greens that you can tuck. There's one of the most sexual grass bunkers I think I've ever seen up the right side of,

what was that six, six or seven? Six or seven. Yeah. I loved it. It was, it was fantastic. It is what I need some more time to digest it. You know, we were, we were playing with the dudes, which we can talk about as well. But it's what I would imagine the future of like major championship golf looking like. And that it was wide. There was not a lot of rough to speak of. And it was going to be fast. It was going to be firm. And it is uncomfortable.

Like there is a lot of space to tee off. There's going to be it's going to be a long golf course. Yet length is not going to rule the day because that first told just hit you in the face with. All right, cool. Pound your drive. Now you got to drop one down on elevator shaft to a green that tilts away from you. And if you bail to one side, you're in the gunch. And if you bail to the left, you're going to be chipping out of a deep bunker to a downhill

lie to a tiny green. Just everything it was about like, okay, I don't, I'm, we've tried the long, narrow, deep, rough thing. Like we're going to try something different here. And Gill is going to piss some people off along the way. It's probably going to piss some pros off, probably going to piss some resort guests off with, you know, when they hit it into ravines that they didn't know were there, but just, there's always something in your way, right?

Where you want to hit it, there's something in your way. And I want to play it five more times to fully digest it, but I was really, really impressed. Part five's are great. Like it's going to be so good for a Ryder Cup, like the way that the routing kind of builds to, really, really, some big decisions around, you know, 12, 13, 14, 15.

And then I think the other big takeaway there on that similar thing is just, 12, 13, 14, 15. And then I think the other big takeaway there on that similar thing is just, Randy, I saw the Soulheim Cup is looking at Valhalla, Whistling Straits and the Oak Hill. Just for the next American iteration. Seems like there are six courses that host like everything here, at least like Ryder Cup, Soularm Cup. I know, it's a chance to go somewhere really cool

and unique and special and yeah. I have a take that you're not gonna like. Okay. The core of Harlem might be, the Harlem might be great for that. Yeah. Stadium seating, the size of that town, people showed out so hard in 2008

when they had a rider cup there. I, Whistling would be my, I was probably the best golf course of those three and that would be my last pick because I just don't think it's a good team event venue and I think Valhalla sets up weirdly good for a team event. I think stadium seating is so freaking important for these kind of things.

I just think about it. I'm like, man, like can't we do something that's that's unique to the ladies and a place that the men can't go play because it's too short. There's so many places like that, right? Yeah. I'm guessing the money rules the day here. There's got to be a reason why Valhalla getting events. I will listen to that, though. Solly on Valhalla. It's produced good tournaments. I think, right? And I vaguely

remember like in the writer cup way back when. So I don't know. Maybe that's unfair for to dismiss that one. It would not be my first pick, but it might, it might be a fun atmosphere, I think. So also the golf courses don't matter that much in these team events, less so than majors, I would say. So, um, but yeah, we, T.C. and I played golf and hung out with the dudes for a couple days down in Dallas. The guys from Dude Perfect, uh, they got a lot of questions about that on, on Instagram, but we're not collabing with them. We were just, we're selling the company to the dudes. We are kind of Shadowed them for a couple days just to kind of see their their contents Obviously very different than ours. They do a lot of stuff for kids and rubbed weirdly rubbed a lot of golf people the wrong way when they played golf at a

Guston national and videoed it or they started they played the all sports battle at a Guston national and filmed it with price But we they were they were gracious and spent a lot of time with us and just good to spit some ideas off them and learn some best practices from five other dudes that are making making content in some way and have some golf connections and We had a great time hanging with them and learning a lot from them It's incredible energy that they're able to bring on a daily basis to their content man. It was alive incredible energy that they're able to bring on a daily basis to their content. And man, it was a live, we sat in on their Amazon live telecast from their studio and holy crap, is that an enormous operation? That was fantastic to experience.

Yeah, that was, I mean, I probably even more complicated than anything I've ever seen as far as the telecast goes because it was so not only are they bringing like the live stream of the football game from Foxborough within the hell. So had everything, you know, 20 cameras set up within the building. It was, it was wild. A lot of hard cameras, a lot of soft cameras, Randy.

There were, there were whole vats or dunk tanks full of milk. You know, like a thousand gallons of milk that they dunked each other into. Sure. It was wild. It was a crazy, crazy scene. They were extremely gracious, learned a lot from them.

And yeah, enjoyed playing golf with them too. I did want to turn this into the trap draw, but TC, I do plan on asking you much more about the dudes in your trip to Dallas on this coming week's trap draw. I will say, did you guys, please? Yeah. Did you guys get some pointers on,

I know we want to build our, our big $300 million headquarters somewhere. Hopefully, have a city pay for it. Did you guys get the, it's a hundred million. Did you guys get all the deeds on that? Are we good? We did.

We did. They've got the guy that built SoFi doing it. And I think, you know, there's some forthcoming news on that front. We saw all the renderings and all the mockups and everything, though. Oh, boy.

So, if there allow me to invest in that, I would like to personally, because that's going to be an enormous hit, right? I'm serious. It's such a tremendous idea. You saved that for the trap draw. You can have those your big clothes. I didn't get a chance to stop by TPC Craig Ranch while I was in Dallas

right down the road from them in Frisco. I also saw JJ Henry teaming up with a former Nicholas associate to collaborate on a golf course outside of Fort Worth. Huge news there. Better have purple and the better be something purple or the logo. Yeah. Yeah. I mean shout out to JJ that the TCU horn frogs made it into the the playoff. So what do you think about the playoff, the four, the four teams? I'm so confused as to what's going on. T's I've read on Twitter that Ohio State wasn't going to make it in on on Tron Carter at NLU and now here they're in it. I'm very confused. Yeah got crowds of crowns. Yeah.

Yeah, big nut. And then we made it an hour and a half before the trap just started. I want to shout out at Luke Smith.29 on Instagram. He's up in Canada. He tagged us on his Spotify thing. You know, everybody does those most listened to stuff or you know, he was my five most listened to podcast of the know, here's my five most listened to podcasts of the year, here's a total amount of minutes.

He did 31,496 minutes of this podcast, the No Langing Out podcast, which is the equivalent of 22 days, like 24 hour days, 22, 24 hour days. I mean, that's gotta be a more than a year's worth of project. Can we send him something? Can we send him some merch? Yeah, can we send him a restraining order? Yeah.

Putting, can we send him a sorry card? I'm sorry. Good. Sorry, sorry. And then last. We'll send you some merch. Yeah. And then last thing I had, I would just like to read it, to reiterate the façoa on nuclear

golf and all the tracking accounts. There are a lot of people retweeting their stuff that all they're doing is just repurposing the stuff that actual reporters and outlets and accounts are putting out there and then they're aggregating it and passing off as their own. And in a lot of cases, some of these live track are accounts doing so very dishonestly as well.

Thank you, thank you, T.C. Also, while mixing in rumors, that's the part that makes it extremely, extremely challenging. But that'll be breaking news tomorrow. I'm sure. Oh, you know what? Last thing. I can't believe we didn't talk about this. Last thing. No. I sent you guys the, the video of the guy freaking out.

I don't know. Oh, yeah. That's right. I mean, that was the highlight of the week. What was the lead up? What caused it to get to that point? Do we know? I think there was the club. It was like the seat here of their club championship

at some club around Melbourne. And I think the guys up ahead had somebody watching and like the people watching didn't, I don't know if they didn't speak English or what, but like this guy like kept hitting into them and then didn't, I don't know, like he just lost his shit basically. And you know, it went nuts.

There were all sorts of great one liners in there that I plan on incorporating into my lexicon. And then he flips out, you know, for like two minutes and the guy's filming it. And then he tries to hit his shot, he chunks the shot, and then he takes it out on his push cart. It was just fantastic. Some of the best content in all of 2022.

It was great. The chunk like wedge was just chef's kiss. The last thing I have, and I think this had, I just read this in Joel Beale's article on golf digest, which I think came out as we were starting this, but Norman did speak in response to Tiger's comments this week. He said, when the monopolist territory is getting threatened, they're going to rear their ugly head and do what they do.

But from my perspective, I've always taken the high road this year. I will continue to take the high road because I believe in our business model. I believe in our people. I believe in the players' independent rights. And we've already seen a dramatic shift in our audience. Surely you just.

He also said, I pay zero attention to McAroyd Woods, right? They have their agenda for whatever reason. They're saying whatever they want to say, it has no bearing or effect on me. I'm going to be with Liv for a long, long period of time. Third leg, Greg. Always taking the high road. That's what he's known for the most. So I'm not going to ask if you guys have anything else because this is an hour and 40 minutes of about the hero world challenge and it is time to dig into a Sunday night football if you will so I'm gonna laugh. Thank you both Thank you both for your time. Thank you. Of course to the audience for listening

We'll be back to talk about the match some next week which we didn't really talk about on this But that is next Saturday night Tiger and Rory verse JT and sp that is probably going to be some entertain TV. I'll be watching that one. And we've got to our I think I'm going to go over. Yeah. And then I'm and we've got to our sauce Wednesday night. Episode six from our sabbatics match yours truly versus Neil.

Randy, anything you want to say, Kane versus able. I think, I think truly both of you guys really, really want this match. So it should be good television. And I found the claw. Angie did found the claw, which I am proud of you. Welcome, welcome TC. Thank you everyone for tuning in. We'll see you back here next week.

Cheers. Be the right club today. Yes. right club. Be the right club today. That's better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.