No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 626: The Match Recap

Episode Date: December 12, 2022

Soly and Tron fire up the weekend pod to break down all things related to the latest iteration of The Match as JT and Spieth defeated Tiger and Rory. From the best and worst jokes of the evening, Tiger's health, the broadcast setup and potential future matchups, we answer your questions covering all aspects of the event. Then it's on to the NYT's reporting on LIV's financial projections, the latest Greg Norman article and several other prime silly season talking points.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I Give it a big club beat a right club today That's better than most about him that is better than most better than most Better than most. Oh, that was a lot last night. A lot of parts. A lot of parts. A lot of parts, a lot of, it always feels way cooler to say that than it sounds on TV as if I would know I've never been discovered or covered on TV saying partner on repeat. We're not gonna bitch about this thing the whole time because I think overall it was a lot of positive talk about.

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If you want to treat yourself this holiday SCN, go to calewagolf.com slash go rogue and get some discounts on the rogue ST. All right, this is a little match recap. I don't think we're gonna talk much QBE. Listen, it's hard to get hype for that. I don't know how you feel about that. Solly, I was trying to make it till like minute 57

before we even acknowledged it. Well, I mean, Hogi and Sa-Hith won. So like, I called people who were like, does this count as a win for Sa-Hith? It was just definitively say no. Like, not even close. Team event, silly season, limited field, fun hit and giggle, that's fine.

But can we just all agree that no tournament wins in December actually count towards anything? Shark shootout, baby. Yeah, apparently they dropped that name, which I'm really curious as to why that happened. I think they dropped it like a long time ago. And it's been a little while. So Frank Pottson shootout for a while.

And then, but I guess the shark was recruiting people during the event last year, which is fucking sick. So anyway, we're going to talk about the match. This was a Saturday night, seven PM Eastern prime time viewing Pelican golf club, TNT. We had BA, we had Chuck, we had Trevor Emelman. We had, of course, Tiger Woods and Roy McAroy against Jordan Speed and Justin Thomas.

Let's go with, let's go with the positives. What's your reaction to this format set up and everything that was working for you? I like the lights. It was cool. It felt like an event. Had some crowds out there, which I think is a little bit different than some of the ones they've done in the past.

Donald Ross bowwelling. You kind of collaboration there. Used to be a public muni Donald Ross. And now it's an extremely private but well-in-tunneled Ross just makes you feel really, really good inside. But no, I think it was great. I think the, you know, J.T. and Speed thrived, right?

Like that's their element, I think, you know, both together with each other and both just, you know, like Jordan likes to talk. J.T. is kind of a showman and I mean that as a big compliment. It just worked for the most part. It is kind of dawned on me today, is like we have a chance to see, and we don't see that much team golf, of course, right?

We only see maybe speed and JT actually pair up in something that matters once a year. So it's kind of hard to like recognize this while you're in it. But we could be looking at one of the great golf duos of all time in terms of, they're eight and two in team events so far to start their career, which is incredible. And it is, it was just truly on display last night

of how good, and look, we're not gonna take the golf two seriously, right? Of course, I don't mean that in this way, but you could see it on display with Mike Dup, players, how, what chemistry means, like what a real actual chemistry is. Like it almost, borderline looks like Tiger and Roy didn't want to be there just because they couldn't match like the, the kind of way that, uh, speed and, and JT fed off each

other. Both their games just seem to complement each other. They seem to ham and egg it really well. They, they kind of are good at trash talking together. Uh, speed is really good at playing off JT. JT is good at carrying the show. That was just, that was on full display. And I guess I was expecting more personality

from Rory, which we could talk about too, but just on that side of the ball, it was just really, it was just a delight. It was very fun. Yeah, it's funny to see some of the non-US American golf commentators kind of act like, like, oh, like, why is Charles involved? Right? And I think Chuck's good.

Like Chuck's fantastic with it, right? That's the whole vibe of this thing. That has to be, right? I mean, I love Trevor Emelman. I think probably if you move that position to somebody that's actually on the ground walking and can ask that Trevor was really great at asking them questions and having them explain their bunker shots

and things like that. It just does not need a serious golf commentator. He's good at play. I'm not saying he was overly serious. It's just like, if that role moves to someone that's kind of on the ground, that can kind of jab with the guys and just get them talking, I think that's really the only structural change

I would make to this. Which, that's what JT did for the one that was, you know, I can't remember what God has been, what seven of them now. That was the second one. That was the one at medalist. Yeah, yeah, that was, and he was fantastic in that role,

but getting, you know, getting a peer of sorts to sort of do that, or get the caddies out there, like have them riding around in the cart, drinking beers, but not doing anything, because that was something last night, too. These guys are not used to picking up their own flag sticks and picking up their own clubs and everything. It was kind of fun to see them in that, you know, out of sorts element there.

I thought about that, too, and I don't think I'm in on that because of the next compliment I want to pay, which is they have figured out how to get the audio flow going, which has been a struggle for these things. I mean, if you remember the first one, they had two separate booths for some reason, for a one on one match, and they couldn't figure out how to get talking to the guys while they're playing, and that is working now,

and that's really, really, really not easy to do, like mixing all that sub-audi, whatever you want to call it, sub-mixing, it is really hard to do. And they've got that flow down. They had the flow going of like, all right, we're gonna talk to JT while he's driving this time. Talk to Roy this time.

You had in four more guys talking, and it's like, holy shit. I'm guessing they had a production meeting of some kind to say like, hey, when so and so is talking about their shot, other team, like you may be on the other side of the golf course, but you need to shut up because this is made for TV product and we need to be able to hear them talk right. And so adding adding any more mics into it, I think is not the right answer to this. I think it feels like it just feels like they finally got that part of it mastered and

that's probably underrated and unnoticed thing for a lot of viewers at home. Yeah, which I'd be curious to know how much they're hearing from the producer in their ear, the director in their ear because not only are they not talking or they're picking up the right audio, they're also dumping them during times when they're driving in their carts and the rest of them, you know, or like they're not breathing into it, or grunting into it. There's definitely extra for Tiger. The AT&T 5G segment, not with six. That was sick.

AT&T had a tough night between that and Jordan, you know, going back on taking the pledge, he was text, or, you know, self-hanging and driving. Hate that. And also Tiger hates using his hands when he drives evidently. He was just like steering with his arm. I love that. But one thing that I wish that I kind of didn't think about being at night definitely doy and the greens got like I think that was probably the coolest part about the golf

course was how slippery the greens were at least when they were starting out and the doofel and then it definitely slowed down the greens especially on that part three pretty late when they're trying to rip it back off that slope. You know, like because that's fun. Like when JT hit that just absolute ripper spinner towards the end there. That was sick. Yeah.

I love the one club challenge thing. That was like probably the highlight of the night. It was amazing to watch these guys freak out. Maybe we've just done enough of these things where in silly videos or whatever they've made that it's like, hey, just figured out. They couldn't even dream of feathering a five wood, 197. And the strategy that goes into it, Tiger aiming into the other fairway.

He has a snap hook five hundred. Maybe unnecessary, but it was also just like the way, you know, the modern game is played, how little we've like, actually seen of what Tiger can do with the golf ball over the years. That was like at all shit moment for me of like, oh my God, dude, that's, he's almost named 90 degrees right and hit a snap hook while he's got one leg like that. It was just that, and that was the shot that made me wonder like, why don't we have a skills

challenge of some kind? Why don't we have something where guys have to hit who Who can hit the biggest hook possible? Who can hit the biggest slice possible? Who could you know backspin a ball the most on one green all this stuff That not not a closest to pinner a long drive like who can do wild true, you know Can you hit shots up through rings like you're playing the Sonic the Hedgehog or it is. Like something like that could be really, really entertaining. So I would argue that we already have that. It's called the slime cup. My man, all right.

Hopefully we see another slime cup this year. No, I think the... No, I like... I guess we used to have the 80-T skills challenge, which I was going back on a deep dive of that last night. Evidently, Mark McGuire won in 2003, beating a bunch of pros, and then the father,

son duo of Greg Norman Jr. and Greg Norman Sr. won in 2008, but no, I think, you know, some of it was probably players have a tendency to say no to pretty much everything, but now it's, you can tie it to the pip, right?

You can do something. Feel like they are maybe a little more one I think it's a hard thing to do because You're not gonna do it during players week and that's the only event where all of the PJ tour players are all playing at one in The past that's how it's been now that you have elevated events though And now you have these events that like all the top guys are gonna be at I feel like this will be an easier thing That's also like pip wise. Yes. This is gonna, these guys want to win the social media battle. They want to win all the ADT skills challenges happening before videos were even posted to social media, right? So, yeah,

this is a whole new era of finding ways to reach people and like people are starting to figure it out. I mean, there may be a little too self-serious in I'm using air quotes, the conversation which led into the match, which was just a Dylan to chair at a great suite. It was just like golf loves talking about all the great things they're doing before they even let it happen. It was just very much this Tiger explaining all these new ways that they're gonna try to reach fans and all that.

It's like, I just need you to do it. And but it does seem that the messages getting delivered and that there is some buy-in of changing the entertainment aspects and changing just the look of what golf looks like. Maybe they're giving up on like competitive PJ Torque all ever actually being presentable. Like, look, we know this is an ad meal

and a commercial vehicle and it's never gonna be entertaining. Can we at least supplement it with some other stuff? And that gives me help of some kind of something like that actually come to fruition. Which, yeah, I mean, it's something too like shit like to the hero. I mean, the freaking ratings for the hero were down 50, 51% year over year among the 18 to 49 demo, only 90,000 of us tuned in in that demo. How was that even possible?

What drove it last year? I mean, it was like, I had no idea. Tiger didn't play last year. I mean, he hit some balls on the range. And I guess was kind of like, we hadn't really seen him in a really long time. And he had resurfaced to like drive around and go in the booth and things like that last year. But I don't know what the world cup. Yeah. I guess the world cups going on, but still, yeah. Anyway, you know, I think the, yeah, just seeing these guys hit non-traditional golf shots is always so freaking refreshing. Anyway, I think the, yeah, just seeing these guys hit non-traditional golf shots is always so freaking refreshing,

right? I think that's why I like watching Speed, right? It's like he's always having to hit those. Going back to the like what didn't work, I think, the like you said, the conversation there at the beginning was very, very, it just ran on too long. It was very impersonal. It was very, it was just a weird setting.

It just didn't really add a whole lot of value. I didn't think there was any sort of, you know, through line to it. And then it seemed like the pregame just kept dragging on and on and on. And they kept doing commercial breaks, which I get it. Like, that's a, you know, this thing is an admiral of sorts. And then, yeah, and then I like, like, Catherine tap and I don't want to shit all over her because I know she's not going to be continuing with golf channel and all that. But that seemed like a little bit of a mess as far as having her as the, you know, on course commentator and like, it felt really flat when she mentioned, like, what, what's your favorite hole in one? And Tiger's like, well, the one I had at Phoenix was pretty good.

And I was like, I don't think, you know think you don't think there was any sort of like institutional golf knowledge there, you know Yeah, yeah, I that's where I go back to just having one of their you know peers that they know really well to help needle things Probably what it would have really helped and I thought also just I Man, I think Rory That what didn't really work well was just Rory seemed kind of out of place in this thing, you know, and I don't know if he's just beat. Like part of me, I look into his eyes, he looks exhausted, really.

I mean, just looked like he was not able to pack the energy for this on this one night. And I just had me thinking of like, is this Rory's best setting? I guess in my mind, I would have thought he'd been the best, but is his best setting kind of like off course, give me some time to think about what I want to say and I'll make a really good point more than then, you know, just having a great wise crack here

in there. But at the same time as someone who I can relate to this very much, like with the, when I'm playing golf and the cameras are on, I find it extremely challenging to like find the balance of like playing golf and you know, being interactive and you know, not coming off like a huge douchebag or making some kind of funny comment but not getting canceled and this is live. Like, I could see the discomfort in his face. I'm like, I can relate to that.

I know exactly what that feels like. Yeah, I think it's one of those things. I think Rory's Binajure seems pretty introspective. If not an introvert, at least introspective, and at least he likes one-on-one situations and he likes kind of being within his own ecosystem. And I think when he has to feel like he's performing, that's probably psychoanalyzing here, but it just seems uncomfortable. It was tough to see like, I don't know, cat A didn't look very good, like from a facial

perspective. And it's tough to watch and walk I don't know, Cat A didn't look very good, like from a facial perspective. You know, and it's tough to watch and walk like that, but that's the deal now. And I think a lot of that's probably due to the planter fasciitis as well. But it's super impressive to see him hit in those ball speeds. And like, he's just a freaking athlete.

But like, I think on the flip side, it's depressing to watch guys talking shit to him a little bit. And he's trying to summon something little bit and he's trying to summon something competitively and he can't do it. Like those last couple holes and it's like, fuck man, like that's, that's no fun for anybody, you know. I will say too, in Roy's defense, it's got to be like hard to, to pair with Tiger and,

and kind of bring the energy or bring the leader or like be the outgoing person. And he did have one, at least one good quip of like, speed was asking him if something was in his way and Jordan's like, or Rorge just said, no Jordan, that's, that only bothers you. Like I'm totally fine with that. Like everything bothers you. That's like, oh, that's pretty good.

But yeah, it was kind of, how I felt about Tiger was kind of despite the fact that, you know, he hasn't played a lot of golf. He's been injured and, you know, with the playing of Fashie, I just, and just said he hadn't really hit balls despite all of that. Like somehow even more speed and it was impressed by that yet at the same time, really concerned

with the health. And I think this past year him playing in the Masters and playing that great first round, put a little bit of a cloud as to how the rest of it all really went. He completed one tournament this year, one, I mean, and that probably set him back a lot. And now we're adding more and more injuries into what like this leg and foot that is by my accounts barely hanging on. And I, I just want to really manage people's expectations. Gabs, 485 asked, leg issue aside, if Tiger keeps ripping it like you did yesterday, can he still compete in majors?

Gabs, we cannot put the leg aside. Like that is the question mark and manage. It really, the limp was really, really bad and I cannot see this getting better. Yeah, and I mean, again, it's like, it seems like, yeah, maybe it like, hoi-like, right? Or maybe it, you know, a very flat golf course

if all things break, right? And it's, you know, he gets the good end of the draw and it's firm and fast and, you know, he can kind of pause away around there, right? I think another thing that actually worked, JT's pre-rehearsed celebrations or antics. I think normally that does not work, but in something like this,

I'm willing to give it a pass. Friday I had a good tweet on that. It was, it's like I'm willing to give it a pass for entertainment purposes in this instance because it was good. I also, I did like Charles repeatedly calling it Alabama University. That was great.

Chuck at JT do have a good, fun, good-hearted rivalry. Again, it's like not, they tested a couple of limits were tested on a couple of things. There was a really good quip that I don't know if people really caught onto, which was, it was a speed-coordinate from wedding crashes when Vince Vod's character

is getting a hand job underneath the table. And he has that line where just like, well, people, people, people, people, people. And when speed was picking up the rope, when JT was putting with the five letter underneath, he looked over at JT and said that. I was like, yeah, no one's going to get that one, but that was, that was from a pretty, a pretty racy movie quote there. But Chuck also had a really, really good line about your JT. It was like, yeah, you know, wedding, wedding was great.

The night went too quickly like, I want to do it over again. I want to do it over again. He's like, well, you know what? Don't write that off just yet. Or, you know, that's certainly not out of the cards or something like that. You're a joke. And then again, Tiger, I said this on Twitter.

People got bad, of course, but Tigers jokes are really just a guy that has been making lame jokes for 30 years and having everybody laugh for when Charles makes a joke about challenging for the course record, Tiger of course hits him with, you know, you've been on the front line, they've got a challenge on the front line. Which somebody had been replied to that,

well, so it was like Tiger has to be the guy that if you tap the ball off the first, the tee and it rolls off of it, he's the guy that says, that's one. That's one. That's one. That's one. That's one. That's one. I loved when Rory, I like, it was kind of actually

concerning when Rory hit the three wood into the woods and almost took out those people. I felt like the four calls were very, very, very necessary. It's coming out of the darkness in certain spots, right? But yeah, it was like, Rory almost calling his shot. He's like, yeah, like those people might be in danger up there. I think like sure enough they were. That was three iron out of the divot that you're saying.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The cut up over the trees. It does kind of like you can see the ball as it lands and on the ground and you can see the ball take off. But those lights are not meant to project the ball when it's up in the air. Like those guys were really struggling to see where balls were landed. One add in for if you have playing under the lights,

somebody to kind of go around with the spotlight and shine it on the ball. So the shadows aren't overlaying on the ball. I think it could be a nice touch because it was a bit awkward to watch, you know, sometimes you couldn't really see the ball and the shadows and things like that. But if you have somebody traveling around with a spotlight that can light it, light up the golf ball, that might be a nice idea. Especially on that part three, where their backs were, you know, like basically directly

to the light. And I think three out of the four of them were like man The shadows really really tough here one more good clip was when speed had the wrong yardage on or you know Airmail to green or something like that both JT and Roy turning and going Michael Michael Yeah, you you said you know speed's doing great without greller here And I was like let's not count our chickens before their hatch didn't didn't say that. I said, speed trying shots without Greller here. He's going to go for all these crazy shots all over the place, because he's got no Greller to talk him off of it.

I am wondering, like you're coming on, you know, the speed kind of needling Tiger and the guys like needling Tiger and him not be able to push back. Was speed pushing it too far in the trash talk afterwards? Cause I was kind of like, Tiger just kind of stood there and smiled there smiling and I was like, man, is Kat really pissed off right now? The one that, like, I think the one that probably went over the line was the one from B.A.

Where B.A. kind of shit all over my. I can't remember what he said, but it was like, she ran like, that was tough. Yeah, what there was one who was kind of like, oh, okay, but that's also like kind of the vibe it needs to be, right? Like, you guys gotta be able to, you know, to needle him a little bit. But.

And Tiger also needs to like, yo, like dude, you can barely walk. Like at this point, like it's impressive that you're out there, you know? And he did have a good, when they were talking about JT's calves, and Tiger was asked about his, Tiger said, yeah, I have good calf. That was good.

That was a good revenge from some early struggling jokes. But, like, so question for you, were we the target market for this match? Like it feels like with, you know, this thing's kind of gone through multiple iterations now and they've done, you know, the four quarterbacks, they've done, that was seemingly not for us at all. They've done the ones that are very, very golfy.

I think this one probably landed more on the golfy side, but a little bit more in the middle. Are we the target market for this? Or is this trying to get in the casual golf in? It's a great question. And I think my answer is like, this is probably as good as you can do in the Venn diagram of the overlap Right, I mean, I think this served the hardcore golfer. There was enough like golf talk within it just super easy stuff

This is what I say this every time we ever have the conversation about mic-dupped players is it's not gonna be role in the floor laughing These guys are not that funny. They're extremely normal people. I thought actually they brought more entertainment, instead of like forced jokes than I would've thought. Like it was some natural kind of trash talk. There's always the, oh, you cannot wait to turn into the trash talk tonight. It's gonna be the trash talk.

It's gonna be legendary. And it almost never is. But they was just the right amount of needling, but the key is like, again, this is just me. And I probably overproject this on the audience, but speed and JT talking about the break of a six foot putt is super interesting to me. And all of a sudden, now I'm looking for, is it going to dive left? Like, because of the way they talked about it, it's going to go a little left in the beginning and then

going straight now. And now I'm like, okay, I know what to watch for when I'm watching this putt instead of someone in the booth guessing which way it breaks that's super interesting to me we're watching Roy and like call and tiger to help read a putt and things like that or just explaining what their putt just did or JT saying about like when Roy hit that five iron to the back left pen just like asked that he just like sized him up It's like stock five iron there and Roy is like yeah, I mean, I'm just just that's also like, what's going on when they're playing a major championship is if JT is playing with Rory, he's thinking like, okay, that was probably a solid five for Rory. Maybe that means this for me. And that is engaging. That's just draws me in yet at the same time, like chucking the booth and Tiger Mike up and things is probably more appealing to a wider audience. So I like the balance of this one.

I think it's, they're trying to get a different entry point into golf and I think this serves that really well. Yeah, it was interesting too to hear their immediate reaction to each other's drives as well. Like, oh, was that one a little bit spinny? And very much, they're all keyed in on their ball speed. Right? It's like when JT was going after 180 and he got 179, lifted that front heel up, that was

really, like that was interesting, man. I was like, all right, there's that extra gear or two, you know, let's see how this works. And Tiger even asked him before he, it was going to hit his, oh, you're going to the foot thing. It's just great. Like, I don't know. I'm impressed with the way this thing has developed over the years. I don't even really feel like there's a ton of room

to hate on this one. It didn't feel like a lot of people were hating on it. I think some kids are really still the two cool for school kids that want to just shit on it no matter what. But it could have gone a different way if they took the golf too seriously, right? And it was the right amount of like, do, these guys clearly don't want to lose.

They don't want to, you know, just because they don't want to hear the other team chirp. And that's kind of the right balance. I still think some stakes for the loser. Like, if you had to, I don't know, if you have to sing the national anthem or something afterwards. You can watch our videos if you want for some dumb stakes. You can do if you lose. I think that could be really interesting. Maybe I'm just got dude perfect on my mind

after spending some time with them there a couple weeks ago, but that could make, cause I could be a fun conclusion to the night. I keep thinking about like different combos, and I think it's, you know, like, obviously the schedule is severely limiting, right? Where it's football season, so you can't really get those guys involved,

but I keep thinking like, man, it would be really interesting to have like speed and Roma Against and and Roma caught a stray in there about slow play too, but Speed and Roma against like, you know, JT and Sabin or something like just you know or JT and Steph Curry or You know kind of split those guys up and and have speed and JT playing against each other I think will be really interesting as well Yeah, there's I think they found a great spot on the calendar like really good and Saturday night with no college football going on Like I don't know if they need to just pencil in like this weekend is when we're gonna be doing matches into the future

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Mm. That is tough. I would not have predicted that. Zeddy Dogg's golf said, how soon until we get some LPGA studs in the match, the court of sisters Lexi, Lydia Co. All great options. I know we've talked about this in the past, but after watching this, what are your thoughts on this? No, I think the court of sisters would be a great option. Shit, I mean, Nelly was super impressive down at the QBE. Second QBE mentioned on the podcast there. She was super impressive down there. I mean, she was absolutely flagging it, especially the first round. Yeah, I think that would be dynamic as long as they're kind of

knowing that they're on stage as well, right? That's where I go down the list on the top LPGA players and I'm not frothing at the mouth in terms of like, oh, that's the person out that needs to be on full display, right? I think it's a big burden for the LPGA women to carry in terms of trying to show off their skill level, which is extremely high and also like do the things that we're asking on the entertainment front. And I don't know who, who like the right person is, you know?

I feel like Lydia, I feel like Lydia would be really good at it. I think she could. I definitely, I mean, again, it just comes down, it's not about the talent level. Like we know that is a check mark in the in the prerequisite. It's how do you do these players actually have relationships is the question, right? You can't just throw four random people together in fake chemistry. And I don't, again, I don't know what the answer would be. I think JT and the quarter sisters have a good relationship and that may be a good

through line in to kind of help facilitate the conversation, but I'd be surprised if they continue to not have women involved in this, because I think it is definitely, definitely time to try it at minimum. And I just don't have the immediate answer for who the right people are. What'd you think about Phil's tweet beforehand? Phil sent a tweet out that said,

I'm proud to have been part of the creation of the match. Today will be fun, funny, and insightful version. And I'm wishing Tiger, Rory, JT and Jordan, all the best. I'll be watching on TNT. And I hope you will too. Uh, it just, I don't know, I'm super skeptical of everything. Phil related. It comes off as super disingenuous of I am going to look at everyone look over here. I'm going to take the high road. Are you ready? Are you looking at what I'm doing? I am taking the high road here. I'm tired of all of this hostility in golf. Why can't we all just get along here? Are you looking at what I'm doing? I am taking the high road here. I'm tired of all of this hostility in golf.

Why can't we all just get along here, right? That's what we all want. I'm gonna take the high road. I'm gonna tweet this out and that is gonna level everything else I've done over the past year. Good luck guys. I cannot wait to watch. That's how I took it. Do we think it's because Phil still has a financial interest?

That was my second thought. Was there must be some kind of, right? He almost always has to do with money with Phil and there has to be some financial interest for 100 million percent. Laser show 03 asked was tonight somewhat of the vision for the TGL under the lights with team facing each other in a semi-serious setting or is there going to be actual prize money involved

that's making it a little more competitive? What do you think of that? Yeah, this was kind of how I felt. I feel like TGL will probably be even a little bit more cohesive where I think the tough thing about this is all these guys are going off in their own cards to their own balls like all over the golf course on certain holes, right? So, you know, having them all there in a confined area, especially if they... Like I was thinking about it last night, how does that work when, all right, they hit the ball.

And then I guess they're going to just pipe whatever that simulator screen is straight into the broadcast. So everybody's watching the ball simulated flying there instead of the, you know, and almost like a picture and picture reaction and then cut back to a full screen, you know, live shot of the guys in the studio or on the simulator, right? I would think so. Yeah.

I'm hoping that it's this level of seriousness in the golf and that they don't take it too seriously. I if they try to make the golf mean a whole heck of a lot, I think it's kind of missing the boat. And if there's any confusion from anyone else out there of, you know, I think the, the PGA tour players have a chance to successfully divide the gap between like, Hey, for fun, hit and giggle golf entertainment and serious competition, right? And I feel like live is trying to really merge those two things and greatly harm the competition along the way.

And maybe still not get all the way there on the entertainment front. Whereas if you kind of divide these two into, you know, one that's wholly non-serious and mic'd up and meant for the entertainment. And like, we're not going to take ourselves too seriously. And one that's like, yeah, dude, like we're not going to get mic'd up for this. And we're going to take it very seriously. That can work, right? I think I still have the same beef of how golf is covered on TV in the PGA tour, but I think that maybe hopefully they see around the corner on how to how to do this properly. I hope at least. Yeah, I think something else too is getting, you know, some of that is getting non golfers involved in that and having conversations during it, right? Almost like have Rory interview

somebody or, you know, pick somebody's brain, that sort of thing. Charlie, oh, the JT beer, you know, I thought we were gonna get more Florida man from the crowd out there. Like, you know, I see in Randy's boy Daddy D out there at the start in the pregame. Like I thought, all right, we're gonna get some drunk, drunk Floridians out here, heckling a little bit and all that. JT's got the course light, which tough scene for, you know,

Mick Ultra in there. I'm sure there were some shaking heads there at the inside the global home. But, you know, it really didn't get a whole lot after that, right, of like, who does that lead back to? That might not have even been his. It was in his cart, it's a start, and I didn't see them, you know, actually drinking as it went along went along. But I think that it was only members. And then I think

the tickets like 1500 bucks otherwise. So maybe you weren't going to get the full Florida man experience. Maybe he's a second home Florida man experience more so than the native Florida experience. But yeah, having some people out there does add to it a little bit. It just makes it feel a lot less sleepy. And then one more question. Tommy Peltos, serious question. Does the match miss fill who can run point on the broadcast as a player? What other players could do that? I would say wholeheartedly the match still misses fill. He was a he carried the thing and was wildly entertaining on these things. I agree. I don't know what other players they need to get in the mix. I know Harry Higgs, Joel Damon, kind of that that vein of player can obviously be very entertaining. You know,

but are they going for star power or are they going for personality max? Obviously would be really good at these things. I don't know. I imagine it's going to be different than TGL too. I think, you know, you're going to see a more wide range of players on display at the TGL. I'll tell you who they need to get involved. A mod Rashad. Oh my god. He just this just, you pull that from the guy that would be, that would be all over this if it was 20 years ago.

Right. Like he would be the guy running point on all this stuff. Bestie Everbrad said, Delineate, when exhibition golf is a derogatory term versus when it's something to be celebrated, maybe when it threatens your sponsor's investments, it becomes derogatory term versus when it's something to be celebrated. Maybe when it threatens your sponsor's investments, it becomes derogatory term, but when it boosts your sponsor's interest, you cheer. I don't know if I fully understand the second part of the question,

but I think we address the first part and say, and like, exhibition golf can be really good. Just like don't pretend that it's also competitive at the same time. And like a bunch of people leaving competitive golf to go play exhibition golf, I think it's overall a bad thing. I don't know if that's the intent of the question,

but that's how I read that. Yeah, I don't think like JT and Jordan are asking for world ranking points for their win yesterday. Limited field event less than 72 holes. I don't know why they wouldn't. I think the ODBGR's lost its credibility. Flipping through the rest of my notes, we had the shot from Speed Hit, from the Pine Straw, which stuffing it in there.s lost its credibility. Flipping through the rest of my notes, we had the shot from the speed hit from the pine straw,

which stuffing it in there. And then Trevor M.O.M. and filled up the great question on how that was hit and how he, you know, executes that. I can't really repeat it because I'll probably get it wrong with something about hitting ball first and not catching the pine straw. And then I think that led to him and tight is like,

JT is like, I'm gonna do the hooky wedge. Like we're in there tight. I'm gonna show off a little bit. And he just hits this Trap draw sand wedge that lands way right of the hole and spins left and goes down in their tight And that was just like yeah, these dudes were just vibing off each other right there But that's pretty much it any other anything else you got from the match Oh, I'm still amazed. It's called capital ones the match. I mean come on guys

It's got just the capital one match, we'll say it. We'll actually include your name if you call it that instead of Capital One's The Match, which we're never gonna say. It's kind of, you know, Capital One, AT&T, Draft Kings, it's a very, they've kept everybody in the boat, right? Very, a lot of consistency there, I think.

I feel like that's a great segue to Project Wedge. Oh my God. Solly, do you see this New York Times piece? There was a, I shared this on Twitter, hopefully people got a chance to read it. There was a piece in the New York Times. Basically kind of saying a lot of things that we already knew, but saying it out loud.

And with the financial information that was presented by McKenzie, the Saudis consultants. Which, God damn, I mean, McKenzie, the consultants being consultants. Which, goddamn, I mean, Mackenzie, the consultants being at the heart of this thing, just that was like the cherry on top for me. Like that's gonna make Randy's year, and just them consulting on Vision 2030, and but then also trying to distance themselves from it too,

of like, yo, we didn't say this was a good idea. We just assessed it for him. This is like a, it's like that chat GPT thing. That's who wrote this article pretty much. I was like, explain how live came to be. And of course, it's consultants making way too big of promises or laying out very unrealistic financial scenarios in which this thing would work,

which I have a lot of questions about this after reading it. But I'm going to highlight a couple of things. But basically, the reaction is that it has no chance of ever becoming profitable and it's enormous sports-washing exercise, which again, we knew that, but to put some numbers behind it and explain that is, you know, we understand exactly why they're pretending that it can be profitable and that that is the goal, because if you don't, then you're basically admitting that, yes, this is just one giant sports washing exercise. This is quote from it.

If the ideas seemed unlikely, records show that the benchmarks for success bordered on the fantastical. A new Saudi league would need to sign each of the world's top 12 players, attract sponsors to an unproven product and land television deals for a sport with declining viewership, all without significant retaliation from the PGA tour. It would be plundering continues more over the league is nowhere near having signed all the elite players who Saudi advisers said were required for success. In one presentation slide as McKenzie projected one of its more optimistic financial forecast the participation of Tiger Woods, Phil Mckelson and Rory McElroy was included under the headline, what you need to believe.

Narrated side note here, they do not have Tiger Woods or Rory McElroy and it certainly does not appear that they will. In the most successful scenario, McKenzie predicted revenues of at least 1.4 billion a year in 2028 with earnings before interest in taxes of $320 or more. And the footnote here is that federal records show the PGA tour attacks exempt nonprofit logged about 1.5 billion in revenue and posted net a net income of almost $73 million for 2019. And continues by contrast, a league mired in startup status defined as attracting less than half of the world's top 12 players, navigating a lack of excitement from fans, reeling from limited sponsorships

and confronting severe response from golf society, stood to lose $355 million before interest in taxes in 2028. So basically it's saying, if this thing continues how it is with like the players they have, the most optimistic outlook in six years is you lose $355 million in 2028, which again, I think the way he isn't like laughing at the Saudis for losing a lot of money because again, we know what it is. I think the takeaway here is like, if I'm a live player that has signed up for that, aren't you concerned with like, Hey, this coming to light of the only way this was ever going

to work if everyone came, like we've said all along, and that's not going to be the case. This thing is not going to work financially. What are the chances they pull the plug? Why did Niasi's questions before I signed? Is probably what's going on right now, if I were to guess. Of the players that they identified, I think four of the 12, they've gotten, and Stenson was included in that. So that's, you know, they're, the 12 they've gotten and Stenson was included in that. So that's, you know, they're, they're, they seemingly are going off of career record plus upside, I guess. This was my favorite part. When the Crown Prince announced plans to build a futuristic city called Miyom, McKenzie was among the companies that helped envision proposals for robotic dinosaurs, flying taxis and a ski resort

that officials say will host the Asian winter games in 2029. They're gonna host the Asian winter games in Saudi Arabia in 2029. That's fucking outrageous. Like, just setting all this live stuff aside, that is crazy. And then the other thing where they just started laying out like dream people for the board of directors for live, where of laying out like dream people for the board of directors for Liv, where you know, Condoleezza Rice, of course, if she can find time away from her job as the GM or the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. Big Randall Stevenson, I know you're a big, big, big, Randy guy, which kind of seemed like, I think pretty early on in the Liv stuff, it seemed like there was, there was some quote somewhere where I was like, yeah, like they, they thought they could

call up Augusta National and like offer them a sum of money to host one of the live events at Augusta. No, it was rent out the clubhouse, like during the masters, I think, to host people in that, that's what it was. That was from the, uh, the New Yorker piece, um, that was, uh, yeah, Zach Helfen had wrote that. God, it's just, yeah, that's how they're like operating is, oh, money. You'll solve all this stuff. Like money will, we'll get all these guys and they got a lot. I will definitely obviously wrote that. God. It's just, you know. Yeah. That's how they're like operating is, oh, money will solve all this stuff.

Like money will get all these guys and they got a lot. I will definitely obviously say that. But yeah, it was just a jarring read to actually see the numbers laid out and see like, you know, that as they're already defining it, they're less successful. Like there is no path to success, financial success in this, if things continue this way. And I strongly recommend reading it, because man, if I'm a live player, if I'm thinking about it,

that has to be kind of, the emperor has no close kind of situation here. And makes me think, I guess if somebody would ask me, is this league gonna exist in four years? I've gotten that question, and I don't know what my answer is. I think I lean towards yes, but then you read something is this legal and exist in four years? I've gotten that question and I don't know what my answer is. I think I lean towards yes,

but then you read something like this and it's like, in reality, like next year could be the last year and if they decide like this is not working in the way, there is no viable path to success. We're not gaining momentum. Like let's pull the plug on this. I could see that happening. But again, what's success, right?

Like success doesn't seem like it's financially motivated. It seems like it's building credibility and plausible, plausible deniability for corporations and a bunch of individuals to invest in Saudi Arabia for them to become part of the global ecosystem. Yeah, shout out to Alan Blinder, Sarah Hertz for the reporting on this one. It was good.

Also, it could be some of the tours, you know, high-paid consultants up in New York and DC paying some dividends as well, trying to, you know, feed some stuff too. So, you know, kind of look at it from both sides of the equation. Did you, I didn't put this in our agenda, but did you see the article on Greg Norman greg norman uh... by the uh... let me let me let me get from the spring morning herald this week believe me i did i'd i'd actually threaten the agenda there at the end uh... right behind michael clayton's quote about third leg greg

which i will read here uh... it's it says quote victorian golfer and commentator mike Clayton is aware that Norman has cast himself as a victim of the so called tall poppy syndrome whereby Australians purportedly chop high achievers down to size. No Greg, it's people telling you that you're a wanker. It's us Clayton who argues that success is applauded in this country.

It's pretentiousness that we abhor Australians Australians are great at saying, come on mate, that's bullshit. Honestly, the article is just, it's one of the great, it's a celebration. Honestly, if one of the great egos of our time, like reading this about Norman, you just, like bringing it all together, it is, I've totally glanced over how normal it is now, just like, oh yeah, great Norman. Pace it.

Great Norman posted a naked photo of himself. Like that's totally, that's totally normal. And then you describe it in such great detail about him, like posing and looking at the camera for ESP at the body issue. And you go to his Instagram, he literally has pictures of him showering of him, just a shot of his ass while he's showering. It's like, this is the CEO of the lift golf. Did you see the thing that he posted on Instagram this week? Was it the most interesting man in the world?

Was it the, no, no, it was the most interesting man in the world. Like that doseck he's commercial. It was a play on that for his cocktail company. Oh, that trending, was he used that trending audio with, oh, God. Yeah. Yeah. Just take a piece from this article. He says, actually, you don't have to love golf or care what happens to it to take interest in Norman psyche. Uh, quote, I've always been a very reluctant celebrity. He once told the Guardian. Uh, this is a bloke who publishes first

autobiography, my story at the tender age of 28 28 who cashes in on his famous name by marketing Greg Norman sportswear Greg Norman wine Greg Norman Prime Australian beef Greg Norman golf courses and Greg Norman housing estates whose appetite for attention is such that in 2018 when he was 63 he posed for a series of nude portraits for an American sports magazine. I keep one of those photographs on my computer desktop while writing this piece. Norman is naked except for a broad brim Straw hat the sides of which I wrote up cowboy style

He leans forward holding a golf club over his right shoulder and fixes the camera with a level stare The picture strikes me as completely crackers and cheers me up every time I look at it I'm a stranger to greens and fairways. I don't know a driver from a putter, but I know a good profile subject when I see what. Just a tough weekend for third leg Greg and the boys that live. There were a bunch of juicy tidbits in there. I think from Greg's ex-wife, I think his first ex-wife, about Chris Everett's like pursuit of Greg, which I never, you know, taken with the grain of salt, but there was some pretty salacious shit in there. A true shark documentary when this is all said and done

is gonna be, that might be an eight part series. Speaking of documentaries, little nugget I picked up this week, TC, this came from someone who knows the content industry and not someone that's like a part of the height machine, said, absolutely blown away by what they've seen in the Netflix series, the inside the ropes Netflix series. And it within several, within a few minutes, like there's a ton of stuff that people never knew

and have never seen, and it's gonna be extremely captivating content is what I was told by someone that, again, it's not like, this is not a Netflix producer, this is not someone from the tour, this is someone independent that has seen it that's like, holy shit man. So. Okay. All right.

I can get down with that. That gets me excited. When's it supposed to come out? February, I believe. After full full seasons over is when it comes out in Netflix, I think. Okay. So. All right.

Well, I think we're going to do a, I'm assuming we will not be the only podcast to do this. I'm guessing a lot of the golf podcast will, but I would imagine we'll do at least one part, if not multiple part, full episode breakdowns of it, just a, maybe a separate kind of podcast series of some kind, but I think we're going to want to, we're going to want to break it down in great detail. I agree. I mean, they certainly have the material to work with. All right, where are you going to go next?

I want to go to the dudes that shot 46 and that's scramble. Have you been following this at all? A little bit. I saw the follow-up video that somebody posted, but the guy, the names he listed off of like, yeah, try us. We'll do it again. Not our first time, we've shot 46.

The names didn't match up with the guys that did it. I've kind of lost track of it a little bit. Explain to me what happened and what's going on here. I have to. And it's pretty rag tag group of guys that came in and shot 46. Gross. I don't know where it was. I think it was in Alabama, the Robert Trent Jones trail.

But man, it was pretty like unbelievable. If you know offense to the guys involved here, but like everybody seemingly was calling bullshit. What was the best you ever shot in Tiger Woods? Like the original PlayStation games where you could spin it in the air and you could like hole out from the fairway like the majority of the time. I think I got sub 50 once on it. Just to speak to like how unrealistic a gross 46 is.

They, they, A's to, a 357 yard par four and had an albatross and had several other Eagles and all the rest birdies, I believe allegedly, which if that's the case, like, I feel like the Saudi investment fund should, should, should give him $46 million. I would have to think so. I think that's a great idea. Yeah, no, it's just one of those things. It's like, it's a perfect thing for this time of year, right now, social media, Reddit, all sorts of message boards.

Everybody's opining on this, right? It was a perfect clip. And the guy was like, it was kind of like, well, I'm trying to think what the clip was that it reminded me of, but it was like, it was kind of like, well, like, I'm trying to think what the clip was that it reminded me of, but it was like, yeah, like, you know what, like everybody's calling bullshit on our 46, you know what, like, we had this guy who's had a hole in one on a par four before,

we've had this other guy, you know, we've done this before and I ate the first time, like, that's the clip I was referring to that, yeah, he's like, yeah, it was me and the names didn't match up with the guys that did it, I guess. So I don't know. I can't, I don't know what's real and what's not on Instagram these days. People are faking course records at Chambers Bay and all kinds of stuff. Allegedly.

So, keep your radars up people. Always check your sources. Well, and there's just, there's cheating happening everywhere, right? We got the, we got the, the chest stuff. We got the Irish dancing stuff. We've got the, the weights and the fish. We got all sorts of shit going on Two worlds going to hell in a handbasket doing into the trap job which unbelievable trap draw this past week with you big Randy Pooch and

And KVV just the right amount of balance of like fans watching NFL versus like a guy that's covered the NFL for a long time or Pooch who really knows the X's and knows's. I greatly, greatly enjoy listening to that. I would encourage her to go. It's so funny. Like, when we talked to KVV, like I want to threaten with him and he was like, I said something about the Navy coach stepping down today.

And he's like, oh yeah, like I was on the Navy beat for a year and like 2003. And you know, like he was the offensive coordinator or something for Paul Johnson. And it was like, God KVV, like you've lived like 90 lives when it comes to, you know, sports and everything like that. But don't tell Randy, we'll see if he's listening to the podcast here. A lot of chatter going around on Twitter from some NFL insider sources that Zach Taylor

basically gave up control of the offense after week five. And that's a big reason for the Bengals looking how they do right now. So we'll see, we'll test Randy out and I'll violate my gag order. And we'll see if he's listening to the podcast. This is on me for turning this into a trap job. I brought it up. That's 100% on me. Where are we going to go next?

Hank Haney was Aaron Billy Horschlout a little bit this week. Said that Billy kind of, you know, pitched a number to live $55 million, you know, and then gets up on his soapbox, you know, before, during and after. What'd you think of that? You think that was a low blow from it? Hank, you think it was called for?

I think it is believable. I want to not dismiss this. I think it is believable i want to not uh... dismiss this i think it uh... billy probably deserved to be asked about this uh... before you know breaking this news i think hank is turned into a bit of a clown on a lot of this live stuff and uh... he's he's writhling uh... for lv for who could be the biggest shark sucker uh... yet it sounds extremely believable like i know there has to be stories out there

of the guys that are currently playing DP World Tour, PGA Tour that have asked for money from Liv, didn't get their number and have stayed and have acted like they are the good guy. I just want to hear it from somebody that's a very legitimate source before jumping all over. Now it's out there and Billy hasn't said anything about it, feels liking tweets that were intimating that it was Billy that did this.

I don't know if, did he play QB issued out this past week? I don't know if he was asked about it, but. Billy normally does. Yeah, I don't know. So I would be, I wouldn't be surprised if he issues a statement of subkind at least address it or is asked about it. I don't know, it's an awkward one.

I think it, if that is the truth, he definitely deserves to be critiqued and criticized for that. But I feel liking tweets does not mean it was true. That's my disclaimer on that. Totally. And to be fair, from everything that I've heard from pretty credible sources, it is factual. No tracker accounts. Not reporting this. This is not clipable. You cannot use this information.

This is just, yeah, always have to say that these days. Billy also parted ways with his long time agent here recently as well, which I thought was interesting. So, yeah, I think Billy deserves a, you know, a chance to, you know, clear the air, which, you know, probably the first time that Billy hasn't opined on something ever. Which maybe that's the story. Yeah. I saw Fautos starting a podcast.

He had Jack on for his first, like, I'm not sure if it's released or not, but for his Instagram. And in, in Jack news, there was a spectacular, you know, affidavit that came out, Alex Maselli broke it down for us. It was a 31-page affidavit between, basically, Milstein is suing Nicholas for, I don't know, if it's breach of contract or breach of fiduciary responsibility or breaking his non-competer, whatever. But basically, Jack sold 49% of his company back in the day.

So his name, image, likeness, all his endorsements, his design business, et cetera, for $145 million. And on 51% of the new company that they kind of set up and then Milstein on the other 49%. And from there, it seems to have just gone to shit right away. They've saddled the new company with debt, things truck out. It seemed like Milstein absolutely owned him as far as, you know, outmaneuvering him and took control of the board.

You know, Jack started taking a salary because they weren't generating any sort of profit. That sort of thing. This is a quote from Jack. Once Howard had permanent control of the company, he acted as if he owned me. Barbara. He tried to control every aspect of my life.

From what I did to whom I spoke with, to where I went as if I was his property. I always tried to be respectful, but there was no respect in return. I also tried very hard to make the relationship work, but it became increasingly obvious that I had aligned myself with a person who didn't respect me as a human being. I mean, that's some pretty serious words right there. It's a very serious quote from, we know it's from Jack, because I think I counted eight

eyes in there in just that first couple of sentences. So I guess Jack, like in 2017, he basically said, hey, I'm done with this shit. Like, I'm not, you know, I'm not going to work for you anymore or I will, you know, I'll finish out. I'll do this five year non-compete. I'll continue to consult as long as you're not charging clients more for me to consult on these projects that you've signed up for. And so he did that for five years and then it seems like Howard still had him by the balls. Like a couple of months ago,

a federal judge ruled that Jack can't sign any new endorsements and it just seems like it's mired and like he was, and I guess all this happened because of the whole, Saadi, like all that stuff came out about Saadi wanted to talk to live and all those guys. Or that Saadi wanted to talk to Jack. You're saying for, for, for the, yeah.

Or Jack wanted to talk to live, yeah. And yeah, so it's like not his decision to make. Like he has to consult with Howard has to with that. I mean, I want somebody to like write a book about Jack that's just, it's like only Jack as a businessman. I think because he sounds like the worst businessman in the history of the world. I think there's an entire documentary you could do when just his business interests. And like how he was, he like went broke in the 80s despite being golf all-time champion

and all these things and having to sell his own business. When did he sell the business to Milstein? Like, was that when it was back in the 80s? No, I think this was like, I think this was like back early 2000s, I believe. Let me look here. 2007. Okay.

All right, hold on, original employment contract in 2007. But yeah, I mean, it sounds like it went to shit pretty quickly. Like, I mean, shit, oh, seven was right at the start of the session, right? So, maybe more to come on this.

Maybe we do a deep dive in some point in the future because that is a, this would be a great deep dive. Yeah, a story that not a lot of people know. So, it's solid. There was a big, big news out of the Japan tour this week. The Japan tour and the DP World Tour announced that there was a big big news out of the japan tour this week uh... the japan tour and the dp world tour announced that there's a pathway

for the top three from the japan tour order of maritz get dp world tour membership i just wanted to do say congratulations thank you uh... shit that you know so they've they've stopped the manipulators but they're giving some of the manipulators away forward i think that's a good middle ground right i love that excellent job we got the QBE shootout on here. Like you said, Hogi and Saehath, one, I don't really think anything else, all that notable happened. I did, I did appreciate the tour, you know, kind of starting to steer into and lean and emphasize the LPJ players that played in this a little bit more

Jessica Cord, sorry, Nelly Corda and Lexi Thompson played in this and felt like they made a point whoever was there from the media perspective made a point to ask the PGA tour players about what impressed them and Max and kids had a great exchange talking about what it was like to watch Nelly Corda play golf. And it is mired season, you know, silly season event, but at least like enching towards a little bit more crossover. And again, we just go back to like what Pernillo Limberg said on this podcast of like, you don't even you guys don't even understand how much it means like for JT to tweet about our events.

Like, and so, and that vein, there's some very small things that PJ Tours can do to kind of just help with recognize ability with a lot of these players. And they seem to be like tagging the LPGA and tweets more and sharing more of their content and kind of really leaning into this alleged strategic alliance that they have that I don't think has been that beneficial to the LPGA tour. But that's a highlight from the event for me, not appointment viewing, I did not watch it. It does single shot if I'm being candid. And yet it's silly season time.

Adam Shrupa, kind of good golf week piece about the NBC golf channel kind of where they're at. Catherine Tappen leaving the broadcast. And then there was a particular quote in there that stuck out a source told golf week that it is not good times that NBC in terms of them who have part of significant cuts to the entire team for budgetary reasons, given the sharp increase in its PJ tour rights

fees. I look forward to that. That should really benefit the fans a lot because I mean, they were really the issue we had was that they were spending too much money on the telecast and, you know, it was too heavily produced and just too, you know, too many cameras, so many hard cameras out there. So really dialing a lot of that back should be, uh, has me super optimistic about, you know, NBC basically owning all of professional golf.

That's good stuff. It makes me excited. Who could have seen this coming? And then, you know, you sent this over earlier in the week. Scott Vincent captured the elusive golden ticket. Can you just walk me through that? No, I cannot live golf tweeted that he won the golden ticket with like a video, like a minute and a half video talking about him winning the Golden Ticket. They never explained what that was. And I don't know if it was like something Asian tour related or like if they decided to invent another award or something to give to pay someone something.

I truly don't know, but they'd fact they just acted like that was, maybe it's a play on like, that's our qualification. Like Scott Vincent qualified for next year. That's it. Now we have qualifications. I truly don't know. But he did. All right. Here we go. Jakarta, Indonesia. The Asian tour season came to a thrilling conclusion at the $1.5 million dollar BNI Indonesian masters presented by TNE, Scott Vincenck crowned the International Series Order of Merit winner. A result that gives this in Bobway and a golden ticket to next season's live golf league,

including all four, a spot and all 14 events. And he was basically beat out jazz, Jen and what Tannenond, and Titorn, Thippong, C1 Kim, and the Ogletree and Korean, okay, Tehoon. Okay. So he's in. All right. No, no, we have that.

I am curious to see how much churn we see at a live, right? Like how many guys that they're gonna drop by the wayside? I am, they had another tweet this week of a silhouette of Cam Smith. It's entitled at the most recognizable silhouette in golf, which they got properly ratioed. Not enough, we've made fun of a lot of things to live. Not enough being made fun of them rolling out like the 2016 PGA tour playbook of social,

of just being completely clueless making the same horrible jokes being extremely out of touch with everything. They got to own that one. They got they got to own that L because PGA tour we roasted them for many, many years for how bad their social was and lift is just running out the same exact playbook, the same like tag of mate that would do this blah, blah, blah stuff. It's horrible. Is that the dirty mic playbook? I don't, I doubt he's run social. I'm sure they have 78 people running social. I'm sure Mackenzie's advising on it

and this is how you get engagement. That was the other thing. I think in that in one of the pieces, it was like a hundred people I think working for live, they're going to try to get up to 200. I mean, next year, so I would imagine their burn rates higher than a billion next year. So yeah. And then some sad news, I think, just to acknowledge. And I was a huge, huge grant wall reader, sports illustrated back in the day.

And yeah, just kind of what a bummer, you know, sudden death there at the World Cup, there in the press box. And just to see the outpouring of tributes and personal anecdotes from his peers and mentors and admirers and all sorts of people that think the biggest thing was just the number of people that posted something that said, hey, he helped me out when I was a nobody and provided a hand up and just set a great example was really, really cool to see. So.

I wanted to know exactly what you said in terms of, we don't know, I don't know him personally and it always feels weird to memorialize someone that you don't know personally, but it always also stands out when that many people are reaching out to acknowledge what just happened and helpful, helpful person that impacts a lot of lives and it just had us having me thinking about people that have helped us along the way and things like that and

it seems like the sports world lost someone that It's just a major major bummer on yeah on a lighter note Episode seven of eight of Taurus sauce our travel series is coming back this Wednesday on our YouTube channel plenty of time to get caught up on this season if you if you don't like waiting week to week we're not going to spoil any any results in case you haven't watched any of them please go check out all of season eight of Taurus sauce but we are heading towards a finale which will be not this coming Wednesday but the next Wednesday at Lufthon links this next episode is feelbaka. And yeah, I a lot of drama to come and there's been a lot of drama to this point. So get over to our YouTube channel, subscribe and check us out there. I can I can firmly say that the the finale is is an absolute, I mean, really, like the penultimate episode in the finale are both absolute bangers, but got a chance to watch the finale, the kind of V1 of that. And it was like, whoa.

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year. We've got a land man film room coming out. It'd be at least a representative on the airports 3.0. I feel like Americans, you were on last time. I like I go around and talk to everybody about I don't think I was on last time, but I feel like I need we need to have an honest conversation about American Airlines on the on the pod this year. I'm happy to have that conversation. I I'm happy to have an honest conversation. I feel like my travel record this year on them needs to be documented into into the books. I feel like I'll have full stats prepared for it. If you like you want to come in on their on their new pricing. We'll do that there. We'll do that there.

We'll do that there. Okay. I did we did have you on this past year. I had an individual segment with every single person, including Ben and Cody this year. Okay. And we'll do the same thing this coming year. All right. Again. All right. We will have a recap next week after the PNC championship. We did not do one last year and we regretted it gratefully. And we're going to have we're going to do the tiger and Charlie thing. I still don't really know how to handle this with, you know, so much of what I read seems weird and creepy yet. Gosh, that Charlie Woods has an incredible golf suite. And I think it's going to be really interesting to watch.

And Tiger Rets will comment this week of like, you know, letting Charlie be a kid. And I'm also like, yeah, well, he's also Tiger Woods's son. And you keep trotting him out on National TV to play tournaments with you. Like, you're kind of bypassing some of that stuff. So it's a really weird conundrum. And I don't really know how to handle it.

But I am excited to watch them play golf this week. That's what I do now. Shit, maybe we should have Ryan Burr on it as a special correspondent. He's taking a particular interest in Charlie Witt's career, you know, almost to the maybe to the extreme. But yeah, actually I was down in Palm Beach a few weeks back and you were saying, yeah, like, you know, my kids go to the same school or whatever. And like, there's some other kids on that team

that are like far better than Charlie, which is crazy considering how good his wings. Yeah. So, but I would imagine his ceiling is probably, probably pretty crazy. So, it will be interesting to follow. It really will. It's gonna be weird to have like, you know,

like the bronze sun entering professional basketball and Tiger's sun entering competitive golf. It's like starting to, start to feel our age a little bit, but it's gonna be a very weird thing. Dude, like MLB, like seeing like Vlad Guerrero Jr. and Andrew Jones' son was just drafted. Like Andrew Jones was like 21 when I was, you know, like, like 95 or 96, you know, I mean, it's just, it's crazy. And FL DBs or gets me what there's a Patrick Sirtene.

Patrick Sirtene, Sante Sanbuele and Antoine Winfield too. Is it there? Yeah. Oh gosh, it's outrageous. So yeah. All right, that's gonna wrap it. TC, I'm gonna eat some Italian tonight. Uh, thank you for joining. Uh, we got a little bit of travel coming up here shortly.

And then we'll be back regular schedule programming. Uh, this coming weekend. Thank you so much for coming on. So I saw the Alfred Dunhill championship props, uh, okey stride him, prevailed by two over Adriano, Togway, by three over Lori Cantor. I just know that was, that was, you, you know, I just want to make sure that you're shielded from skipping over who won

an official DP World Tour event this week. Thank you. And I do, I'm not upset we went a little bit past our one hour because if you'd been watching you to just seen Debo Samuel getting carted off from the Fender's game. Yeah, I just saw that up on red, on my screen, which that's that's that's tough for us for fantasy owners. So all right. Thank you, TC. Good night. Thank you, everyone, for listening. See you next week.

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