No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 627: Roger Steele

Episode Date: December 14, 2022

Soly catches up with Roger Steele for a wide-ranging discussion on golf content creation, inclusion in the game, his introduction to golf as a kid, interviewing guests for Range Talk, some of his early viral videos, and a ton more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So we've got to know him a little bit behind the scenes and have been, you know, efforting to have him on the podcast and we've were able to finally make it happen. We need to get him out on the golf course and make some content with him, which we talk about as well. Usually our friends at Calloway are gonna have a spot right here,

but we actually talk about a lot of Calaway stuff. They were happy to see their time. And this was my idea. This was not their idea to plan a bunch of conversation about range talk, which is the show that Roger hosts on the Calaway Golf YouTube channel. It's fantastic. And we talk about a lot of that.

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That's getting gooder.com slash NLU code NLU to get free shipping on your good or sunglasses. Go, O, D, R dot com. Without any further delay, here is Roger Steel. All right, if somebody is a listener to this podcast, maybe has no idea, has never seen the name Roger Steel. First of all, that's an indictment of us, not of you. Let me just get that out of the way first and foremost.

But if someone has no idea who Roger Steele is, what's the cliff notes version, what's the long version, whatever you want to tell it, who the hell are you? Man, I'm a golf content creator, dog. I hate to use word influence, that's what everybody try to steer you to is the word influence. I don't really resonate with that because that makes it seem to transition to transactional. My orientation is, you know, how do we tell stories relate to people through stories and have conversations back and forth or across these social

media platforms. So we could all get to know each other a little bit better. So I just, get to know each other a little bit better, man. So I just, I just create content to help me meet people and see more of the world, baby. Let's just keep it as simple. It's an Instagram feed that brings a smile to my face every single day. So I'm thrilled to finally get a chance to be a part of that golf content creation with you. But what we're going to do, we're going to talk about a whole lot of different things. But you got to tell us what you just were doing like a couple hours ago.

When I couldn't get a hold of you a couple hours ago and couldn't figure out why it turns out there was a great reason. Tell me about the day you had. Man, I just, I just had, first of all, I've been on an amazing stretch up here in Monterey God. Like, it's been, I've been playing some epic golf. I went to a, I went to the Spanish Bay spa glass. Obviously, they played three holes at Pebble because they had the worst storm, I I think in the last, you know, a hundred years or something like that, a hundred

years in that Pebble the day I get out there. Then we play NPCC and then today I play Cypress dog. How was that? You got the good weather for that one. And it is, it wrote perfect weather and just to go through all of that, you know, all of that other golfing in to get the Cypress. Because normally, like, I don't even get to play that much golf no more. So on borderline burnt out, you know what I mean?

Like I play golf, I play golf four days in a row. And I'm like, yeah, it's hard to get me excited. But Cypress though, I felt like a teenager out there, man. Like, God, that was crazy. Is it me to hype, exceed the hype? I mean, yeah, first time I've never been there. Take me there. What's it like?

Yes, bro. Met exceed it over the liver. It was crazy. Like, you know what? It's great, you know, for me being a huge master's fan. And I got to go to a gust of for the first time this past year and see that course. And like, I was like, man, I cannot wait to play this course.

But then we went to the fire side chat. and George W. Bush was there, right? And so, you know, he doing this, the Spire Side Chat, people asking him questions, they asked, you know, we in Augusta, what's your favorite chorus? Cypress. I'm like, bro, it's like, it got to be like, it got to be like at least 20 Augusta members in this audience. He like Cypress. And then the moderatorsators like bro, you don't know other course that you think with like no a Cyprus So it's a once you drop that I was like oh, yeah, so it must it must be something that you will in the piss out These Richard powerful people in my presence, you know, I it must be up there. They can't be too pissed off

They're probably Cyprus members too, you know, it must be up there. They can't be too pissed off. They're probably Cypress members too. You know, that's where it's like, and they're probably Cypress members too. They probably were too upset. I like, well, he has a point, he has a point. You know what? But man, it was just, I mean, start the finish man around and,

I mean, like, you get, you know, you get these inlandooms, you get this like forest experience with a bunch of trees, you get the most insane ocean views I've ever seen. Like the way that the golf course interacts with the ocean and the cliffs, bro, it's like, and you looking at this land, like this is probably some of the most precious land on this coast, you know, just from the accessibility to it,

like the things that they could do there from a, you know, just from the accessibility to it, like the things that they could do there from a tourist perspective or whatever they kept, I would pay like, I would pay three to four figures on a day to go out there and do stuff. You know what I mean? It's just that piece of property by itself. Like I'm just, like just to go out there and hang out, I'm like, yeah, you could put a big price tag on there

that I know God, know I would want that. And they turned that put a big price tag on it. And I, no golf, no, I would go out there. And they turned it into a golf course. And it's just amazing when you're standing right there, like the audacity of the architects to build a golf course right there is like crazy. Like, no, that's not gonna be a golf course. They're like, you sure, like, yeah, we could do it. I think we can make this work.

You know what I mean? This day and age it would not happen. There's no chance, but luckily, there's places that are safe to preserve. What'd you do on 16? I mean, we're not about Cypress the whole time, but we got to know what you do on 16. So 16, I'm trying to debate how truth would it be with you.

I mean, so 16, I mean, we played, we tipped it out first of all. So we tipped it out. So this is playing about 2.35, 2.40, into a hurt crosswind. And I punk the forearm to the back right fringe. And like it was crazy because these people from USGA was out there. They getting ready for the walker cup in 25.

They out there scouting and stuff. They're looking, oh, what's up, what are you doing, great for back there, oh, what's up. You know what I mean? And so then for the first time in my life, with all these people watching, I mean, I had about a 60 foot put off the front end. And I didn't three put it, dog. And it just, I made me feel so accomplished, bro. So yeah, it's like a, you know,

it's just a beat for iron and, you know, a nice little professional looking to put. I love how you got to, you started with, I got to figure out how honest I want to be then you say you hit a 2.35 Four iron into the win which listen for the listeners sake I do need to testify like I've seen your ball speeds this this man hits the golf ball hard and so Give us an idea kind of wait what your golf background is like when did you start playing the game?

How did you how did you end up? I you swing it in the one 30s for those that don't know and You hit you hit it damn hard and I've seen some swings of yours on some of your Instagram? Are you swinging in the 130s for those that don't know? And you hit it damn hard. And I've seen some swings of yours on some of your Instagram videos from way back in the day. You playing growing up. So take a, so what's your golf story? I'm from the West Side of Chicago,

and my dad is a retired Chicago police officer. And so growing up in the city, I'm obviously growing up during the Jordan era. And basketball is all I wanted to do, but my dad had gravitated towards golf because a lot of his buddies on the department were playing. And it was a combination of him falling in love with the game and him seeing what was happening with the Chicago youth.

And he was just like, man, you know, I'm a only child. My son needs to be around his game because I know I can keep him safe. Fortunately for me, the neighborhood that we grew up in, it had a little newty now, whole course, those city on, and he had good relationships then, a lot of his friends hung out there, and he knew if he brought me there on any given day,

it would be people there to watch me make sure I didn't get and send any trouble and stuff like that. And so, my earlier, I'm talking about probably being like five or six years old, remember, my earliest memories being out there with him and his friends. But I didn't really resonate with the game of golf as a kid because there were so many other things that I wanted to do. But my dad had reconciled that this is just the best place

for my son. And so he made sure that I spent time. you know, and even like, you know, I didn't want to play golf, but he like, all right, well, shit, you gonna go get us beers then. But you know, you go, like you spend the time here, you're doing something, you know what I mean? And so I don't like to say that I was forced around the game as a kid, but my dad just saw the value and that environment. And quite naturally, you know, I played at certain levels to a piece. But I was never really that good at it. But I played a little bit in high school.

And then once high school was over, man, I was like, oh, I'm going to college. Like I never had to touch a golf club again. I feel relieved that I would never have to touch a golf club again. I mean, that was a part of my past. I went to college, nobody I went to school with, knew I played golf. I didn't talk about it to nobody.

It was just like, yeah, it was just this thing. And so, and I go to U of I, I major in civil engineering. I get my first job and then I quickly realize that I hate engineering more than I hate golf. You know what I mean? And so I said, hey, so look. So then I get off probation and then my, so I passed my little, you know, I think it was like a one year probation or whatever the case. So I get this company email that, you know, we got a client out and anybody that knows how

to play golf, you get a payday off, you go play and just little client out and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I sent them a couple months or something like that. And I'm like, oh hell yeah, free time. I'm like, yeah, I know how to play golf, you know, and really like it was an effort for me to escape how much I hated my life working as an engineer. I was just running to, you know, I was rebounded with golf a little bit. But what I noticed is, man, like in the process of getting ready for this outing, you know, I went back home, I got my high school golf clubs, you know, I started going to the range

on my own and then I start meeting people at the driver and we now I'm an adult and we have an adult conversations like what do they do with life, you know, what, you know, what, what are they working on with their swing like, oh, you got kids, oh, what you doing this, we it's just like we have an adult conversation. I'm like, man, this is a very chilling environment to meet people. And so then, I started learning how to strike the ball, my body, I got a lot stronger in college and stuff like that. I'm compressing the ball a bit better than I can remember.

And I don't know, man, maybe I should take a lesson. And it's because I got like a month before this out. I take a lesson. He's like, man, you got a good move. He explained some things to me. And I guess because of the engineering background, like the physics of what he was explaining until he made a lot more sense.

And I'm like, oh man, a swing make a little bit more sense now. And so then I go to this out and out. And like as an engineer, I'm in this environment where all of these project managers, and the exact leadership in the office, like none of them paid me attention. None of them even know I exist. And I'm playing as one golf out there

and like I catch a couple of drives like Silent and I mean, the looks on these dudes faces is like, it's like, you know what I mean? Like they just discovered, you know, like, do you know what you just did? I'm like, yeah, man, I hit a fish out like, no, no, no, no, you just hit a ball like this, you just did it, no, no, no, no. You just hit the ball like this. You just did it, and so like seeing that excitement,

and then we get back in and they're telling everybody about it the next day I go back to the office, bro, and it's like everybody ask her who Roger is, and I was like, man, I just unlike like a corporate cheat code or something, you know what I mean? And so it was a combination of like organic, it was a combination of organic experiences that brought me closer to the game.

But then I also saw how it was received like any professional settings. And then from there, I just like, it became a very all-consuming, you know, love that I have for the sport that that jumped in. I was probably like 25, like 24, 25 at that point, but it was just after work every day, I'm at the driver range that jumped in. I was probably like 24, 25 at that point, but it was just after work every day, I met the driver range on the weekends.

We playing money games with my boys, traveling to different courses in the city and stuff like that. And the winter I'm going to the domes in Chicago, maybe trying to squeak out of vacation to, but it was just my life was just all golf from that point on. And ever since then it's been like, man, how do I get closer to this game? And that's ultimately how I got to this podcast up.

We might have crossed and passed it in a dome in Chicago in the around 2010 or 20, I don't know why I'm here. This is what it been, but I was, how old are you? I'm 34. I just turned 35. My birthday just passed. I'm actually still in the midst of my birthday. You know, my birthday is an entire matter.

It's like a birthday. Thank you. I'm in the midst of turning 35 right now. So you're two years younger than me. Yeah. Around that same age, it's started getting college. You got so many distractions going on. Golf can't be a priority.

You get out of college. You're broke. You got to get your life figured out a little bit. And then a couple of years in, it's like like I'm kind of looking for some kind of fulfillment outside of just like going to the bar, drinking and going to work every day and that's when I started to kind of fall back and level golf again. But I'm curious you said you you know golf didn't really resonate with you when you were young. Why would you say that is? You know is it have to do with you know not having a lot of representation in the game.

I remember talking with JR Smith about when I was growing up, I didn't have a lot of examples of people that look like me playing golf. Is that a reason why maybe golf wasn't resonating with you as a kid? I'm curious. A hundred percent, man. I think that to become something, I do think that you have to see it. And you got rare individuals that could pioneer trajectories based on not seeing anything,

but I do think by and large, if I can't identify a pathway to what I do and success to what undertaking is not gonna hold my interest. You know what I mean? And so like not being looking at what the PJ-12 was then, even though we had Tiger, you know, like I'm growing up during the rise of Tiger, it still wasn't enough to like grab me as like a real mean to success as a kid, you know?

Because there were just so many other working examples and all of these other sports, you know? And that's kind of like the plight that you see with inner city kids, because I mean, they take it beyond sports figures and you know, they just looking in their neighborhoods and you know, a lot of times it's people that do illegal activities that appear to be the most successful.

And that's why you gravitate towards that as a means for survival or whatever the case. And so I do think that a large part of it is like, I didn't see a trajectory that made sense for who I thought I wanted to be in this world. And it never spoke to me in that way. But I mean, if you gave me a basketball, even though I wasn't that good,

like I would play basketball for hours on end, with whoever, wherever. And it was like, because I saw what I thought I could be through it. Sure. And so I think that representation is a huge part of why it's hard for kids to really take on golf in a meaningful way and really allow themselves to ruin the falling of with it. Some of them even, like they take it on, it's like they want to be a professional golfer, but they don't really love the game and it's entirely.

You know, they just love this one part of it. Like, and they think that if they don't make it as a player, they haven't made it, but it's like, man, if you really love the sport, it's a whole ecosystem there that supports you, that you could navigate, you know, but they just fall in love with that one little small sliver of it, because now, you know, they got tired, they got, you know, cam champ or, you know, people that look at Harold or people that look at whoever, you know, they got like a few more little clips that they could latch onto, but people aren't really demonstrating with success. Looks like in the broader golf community, which's why I was curious to talk to you about it. You know, I listen, I'd love to get to a point in this podcast where when we have a person of color on, we don't ask him about race, that would represent real progress.

You diversifying the game, you know, correct me from the problem, but I don't think we're there. But I'm curious if you would, the reason why I was so interested to talk with you about it is in this social media era. So, you know, when you were growing up, it was like golf on TV was like how you would, you would take it in, right? And you would have to have your woods and you would have whatever it would be.

But in the social media era, and that's again, with some of the JR Smith studies, I just post photos of me playing golf now. So someone, you know, people that are following me can see, you know, have that kind of representation in there. I'm not gonna be playing golf on TV, but, you know, they can see it on my social media. And now you have a unique outlet, you have a big following of people. I'm sure of all different

backgrounds, but they see you out playing golf and representing the non-pro side of it. And it just kind of is light bulb going off for me in terms of what that representation might mean. It's going to take generations, I think, before it, you know, fully, you know, you talked exactly about how you, your path was paved through your father. But, you know, if, you know, you talked exactly about how you, your path was paved through your father, but you know, if that wasn't the case, we probably wouldn't be sitting here talking right now. Exactly, man. Exactly. And I think that like the, the, the things that we have to make people comfortable with is not just representation from a racial perspective,

but it's also representation from a cultural perspective. And that, that comes down to like style, you know, fashion style language that comes down to, you know, the way that people are able to enjoy the experience. Like there's all of these other different things that, you know, people need to feel that they can be themselves in these spaces. Those are the things that we need to look at as well.

You know, there's these very stuffy golf experiences and it's kind of cultural golf that's been forced upon us for all of these generations that a lot of people just can't resonate with. And if you put in people in positions where they can't express themselves, it's gonna be a hard sell to get them the crave those environments.

You know what I mean? Like taking a little kid that was used to being a wild and crazy and being like, I don't know, I don't think I'll be like that, be still. No, I don't think so. Then it's like all of these things, it's just like, yo, like, are you trying to imprison me right now? What the hell are you doing? You know what I'm like?

This is supposed to be fun. And so I just think that from a cultural perspective, like the game of golf needs more representation just experientially. And that's broader than race, you know what I'm saying. So I think that what social media has opened the doors for is, you know, showcasing how different people experience the game and connect with the game. The PJ Tour did a great job of showing what the top level of the sport looked like, but there's all of these other different factions and layers of it that we don't talk about enough.

Like my dad, it was all about gambling. That was this whole thing. They showed it to the courts. It's a money game. If we're not gambling, we're not playing. There is no golf for fun. You know what I mean? It's like he don't even go to the draw.

Our courts didn't even have a driver, right? So it's like, yo, when I show up, I'm pulling my clothes out the car. I'm taking 10 practice games in a lot. And then we gambling. You know, you know, and that's with golf. And that whole culture was so dope to me. And, you know, that's why, like, when I look at it, it's like, man, what we're playing for, you know, like, if I, if I'm not incentivizing those ways, it's hard for me to lock in. But I just think that culturally, the game of golf just needs to represent everybody that plays you. And, you know, again, that's a much broader discussion and just race.

And one of the things that I really want to talk to you about that is, you know, you do a lot of different kinds of content we could talk about that. But the one that's that sticks out to me is range talk. And it's not just because we share a mutual sponsor and Calloway that I'm saying that. It's if I could describe it for those that haven't seen it. We've plugged it plenty of times on this show. It's like pretty much what it seems like is they put the mics on Roger They put the mics on a guest. They put some balls out

They set up some cameras and they let them do his thing. There's no instruction on anything It's like hey ask this person whatever you want to ask him and we're gonna keep it And it's gonna roll basically uncut and we're gonna publish it. That's sure what it seems like. What's it like recording some of these? I'm saying just like that. You know, because a lot of the people like, you know, I'm, I've been fortunate enough, fortunate enough. So everybody that I had on range,

so I'm a fan of, you know what I mean? And so I already have these, these intimate conversations that I've either had with them. Oh, I got a bunch of questions that I've always wanted to ask them already. And then when you get into these environments and you start feeling people's energy and understanding, they level the comfort, discussing things, it's just the conversations flow so seamlessly.

And I've just been blessed with everybody that's come on this show, being willing to engage with me and be transparent with me, open up to me in certain ways. They all come on there and treat me like we homies and we've been homies for a while. And the dope part about that is after we leave that, we like our relationship actually grows in like a very meaningful way, which is crazy, man. Like we started that show off with Steph Curry last year. And I'm like, yo, bro, when Steph pulled up, we did this at Stanford Practice Facility. And with Steph pulled up, I brought what's so nervous. I mean, I'm a grown bro when step pulled up we did this at Stanford practice facility and with step pulled up

I brought us on nervous me something. I'm a grown-ass man Just nervous to me stuff. I see him across the driver range and then somebody said Steph here I see him bro. It's feel coffee all over my shirt It is crazy, but then step walk up and he like rise now So excited about this nothing for me for a minute man He showed me these videos, and he was like making fun of my swing and you never sent it to me or whatever. And it was just like, man, this game of golf is so crazy and the degrees of separation just give Reduce so much through this sport. And it's been an amazing opportunity to connect with

those people and show how relatable the game of golf is to the elites to people that are just you know, amateur's recreational players like we all get so close to this guy So funny I got literally in my questions here Do you get nervous before the red light goes on before you had interview somebody like Steph Curry? That's literally one of my questions I had Yeah, hey Steph had a step high me should It was just because you snuck up on me cause you know, you kind of pacing around like, I'm over there practicing, huh?

I'm by the shake, bro, hand like, oh, I'm, like, these lean in and touch the back. I'm gonna touch the back cause that's the turn. That's in deer meat right there. But I ain't gonna act like I know him too much. And then bro, just kind of popped up out of nowhere. I'm like, oh, shit, dog, damn. I'm, man, this like he wants supposed to be in for another 10 minutes, dog, what you do? You know, so it is, but yeah, he, sit, knock, down. I'm like, oh, sit, knock, down. I'm like, oh, sit, knock, down. I mean, it's like he wants supposed to be here for another 10 minutes.

Now, what you do is, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, he won't, he won't have me check up a little bit. But for the rest of them, they all be pretty cool, man. You know? Well, I was gonna say, like, you know, not to just, not to tutor horn too hardly, but, you know, it takes special talent to bring out what you're able to bring out of these guys. Like, I saw facial expressions from Xander I've never seen before.

Like he's not like fake TV laughing for you. Like they're really legitimate laughs. And you have a way of like, you know, talking to some of the people that work on your production stuff too, just have a way of like getting through to people and getting. And the word I always come back to with a lot of your stuff, not just because you have a series called Real Talk, is like, it just feels real, right? It just feels like you're being yourself at every opportunity. And it's got to be something that, you know, I don't feel like you're going Talk is like, it just feels real, right? It just feels like you're being yourself at every opportunity. And it's got to be something that, you know,

I don't feel like you're playing a character when you are online, but you had to find a way, I'm sure to, you know, fit your personality into a way that made interest in content. Let's see what's kind of your thought process and how did you go about doing that? Well, I think that like the first hurdle was getting over the fact that I do belong in this sport

as I am, you know what I mean? And the thing that helped me was like, I'm a decent golfer, you know what I mean? I love and respect this game. I play it at a good enough level. Like, you know, if you, you know, I'm a scratch golfer at times, but to be, to play the game at that level as an amateur,

like I'm in an upper percentile of people that have ever tried to play this game, right? Like if you look at average indexes or whatever the case, so like I belong in this sport, just off the, just, just off the sport alone. So I shouldn't have to really deviate as a person too far from who I am if I love this sport. You know, I shouldn't really have to be a shelling myself if I'm proficient at this sport. I should be I should be accepted as I am. But I think a lot of people are just not comfortable being themselves in golf. And so that's where a lot of the disconnect comes. And that's why even, you know, some of the stuff that I see

from a talent side or like from an influence or a side or media personality side is like, man, they so much doper off camera that they are on it sometimes because they feel like they need to be this person when the lights come on and it's like, bro, the person that you are when we just sitting over there chilling talking, you know, that's, that's gold right there.

And I think for me, I just had to accept the fact that who I am, like I belong in this sport, you know? And so at that juncture, it's kind of up to the people that I engage with to the side. Like, do you like me for me? Or do you not like me, you know? But I shouldn't really have to pivot and deviate

from who I am to make you like me. And at the same time, I would never want to make you feel that you have to deviate from who you are to, for me to be accepting of you either. And so I guess once I let go of some of the fear of being authentic, that's when I started to see all of the fear of being authentic, that's when I started to see all of the embrace from the sport. And that's kind of like my message for everybody

is continue to be authentic. I mean, even though it's cliche as that sounds, like if you really love this game, be yourself because the differences that you bring to this sport is really what the sport needs. They don't need another cookie cutter person and golf. And I think that just coming to that realization and being very bold in who I am, also asking myself over and over again, am I being truthful with who I am in these moments

and checking myself when I see myself deviating too far away from that, that's something that I've really leaned into to navigate a lot of these spaces that I've been putting in. But it's like nobody could take away the fact that I love this game and that I belong in this game, whether that's like on camera as a personality or otherwise, but like I know that I, there's room for me in this sport

and I'm just gonna spend time around people that want a person like me around it, you know? Well, did it take you time to be comfortable enough to say that that I belong in this game, right? I think we all have gone through that. It took me years for me to, if I'm walking inside the ropes at a tournament, I'm like, I should be here.

Like they're gonna kick me out any second. Like I should not, I'm just some accountant from, you know, blah, blah, blah. I should not be doing this. And then took a couple of years. And now it's like, no, no, all right. You know what? I feel comfortable in this role. And I, you know, I am a part of this scene. And I'm going to continue to be that. Did it take you a period of time to feel like, yeah, I do belong. And I do feel comfortable in this role. I mean, it goes in ways, right? And over the last couple of years, I've been presented with so many different opportunities

and partnerships and things like that. And you always had these questions. If you're being humble and you're being real with yourself, you're like, yo, do I deserve this? You know what I'm saying? And my work is, and my add enough value to make this a sustainable opportunity that they make a mistake and bring them here.

And the thing that I always go back to is like, look, man, we dealing with some big-ass businesses that are cutting these checks. And they got a lot of people that approved these decisions and have very tough conversations behind closed doors before they extend any opportunity to either one of us. And so like if they gave you the opportunity to be in that space, you deserve it because there's a lot of people, something that might be one person that stepped up and vows for you in a major way, but a lot of people signed off on that. And so you're you're deserving of everything that you get. You know, and that's just the conversations I have to have with myself often, because a lot of the stuff that they do kind of psych you are, because you always spending like,

I'm sure you are, you always spending like you're in a rare era. Like this is such a departure from any lifestyle that I could ever imagine. You know what I mean? The things that I'm seeing on a daily basis and stuff, I like, like I hadn't even, I hadn't even heard about Cypress, bro, until three years ago. Like which is crazy. You know what I'm talking about? Like, it's a weird stuff. I know about Pebble Beach, but like I hadn't even heard of it. And then you start to read about the history of it. And you know, I got this book, The Match.

And I'm like, oh my god, like this is crazy, dog. Like what? You know what I mean? And so every space you go into is like, it's brand new. And you constantly have to ask yourself, I mean, do I, do I, and my work dish and I just always find reasons to tell myself yes in those moments and then the more moments that I have where I tell myself yes I deserve this, the more confidence builds and it's just like a

snowball effect, you know, but I still, but that's that's something I work on daily and I feel like that's something that people want to have to battle with daily and whatever pursue because progress is just uncomfortable with shit. No, it's like, man, it's crazy, but it's so worth it once you accept it and just be yourself and enjoy it because they a lot of people say yes to you to be there. Well, it's interesting to it's probably pretty easy for you to figure out Like, you know, some people might want to involve you in some way and they either like, you get it or you don't. Like the person you're working with either gets it, like, I'm bringing in Roger to do this, right? Or some people can bring you in and like,

try to teach you or guide you into how to perform. And performing is hard. Like being yourself is not difficult. Like, just trusting your gut, saying whatever, you're thinking is super easy. But like, when you're doing an impression of someone else or you think you should be doing an impression of someone else, that's challenging.

That's when you get burned out. That's when this stuff gets really, really difficult. So that's what I'm sure a challenge you faced and we'll continue to face is, you know, meet new people doing all kinds of different things. Tryin' what you're good at, tryin' what you're not. You know, we've all done some of that. Some things we've done once and are like,

you know what, I'm good, I don't need to do that again, but like, I mean, you were doing live coverage with CBS this year at the PGA Championship. What was that experience like? Bro, I was just about to bring that up if you didn't. I was talking about doing something once, that's crazy dog and this is, I think that at the end of the day, it went pretty well,

but the experience of it was insane dog. And just, you know, it's moving so fast, pays obviously, I come from the social media background, everything is scripted, we get takes, you know, it's not really that much pressure to do what I do. The worst thing that happened is somebody behind the camera, be like, all right, come on man, get it, let's do it. I'm taking this up, you know what I mean?

I'm like, all right, all right, I'm coming, I'm coming, all right, all right. But man, the first day that we were about to go live, we had this pre-production meeting that I thought was extremely rushed based on, you know, my comfort within a size situation. They're like, all right, right. we got a two hour segment on the range. You're gonna take this section, this section, this section, how they gonna come in and do this, this, this, this. And we gonna do this one piece here, and we prepared a little box for you with some text

that we want you to kind of get comfortable with, blah, blah, blah, blah. And all of this stuff is happening so fast, like this, there's block of text that they gave me. It's like, I couldn't really make it make sense to me. You know what I mean? Like I was trying to take the words and fit them in. That's to your point about performing.

I was like, man, how do I make this sound like myself? But at the same time while I'm thinking about that, they put in a little head piece in. We tested the mic, cell, people calling, pulling you over this, this is how you got to do this, whatever the case. And man, we got ready to do a live rehearsal. And I'm sure

by now you could tell, I could probably talk to a brick wall dog, you know, I'm never sure the word. But we got to this live rehearsal dog and I could not make English words come out of my mouth. Really? Like they were like Roger, all right, three, two, one, go. And I was like, I just, I mean, just making it sound like I was trying to be box a little bit dog. It was just the craziest thing. And then this is my very first time all the producers listening, they're like Roger, you know this is live, right? Like you know that you like you literally cannot do this on air.

And man, we out at the PJ championship, bro, it's 100 degrees out there. You know what I mean? I'm sweating, bro. I don't like man. This is crazy. And then I was, you know, working with Haley and she was like, uh, she's like, Raj, you know, anything that you can't figure out, like, you know, I'm gonna be on camera with you. I'll fill in the blanks, just listening to me,

like if you can't make out what they're saying and the headset blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, okay, thank you, thank you. And so, uh, but we, we get rolling. And so right before we actually go live, I just had a conversation with myself. I was like, man, if I mess this up, it's kind of like a make a break point I felt for my trajectory because if I demonstrate that I can't handle this type of pressure, then that impacts what types of opportunities

I might get seated into in the future. And like what types of conversations I'll be a part of, my boy Gideon gonna be looking at me like, hey man, like, all right, we can't put him in that space no more, my boy can't swim. He can't swim and be water, you know what I mean? He got like, he's shallow and tired, you know what I mean?

And so I'm thinking to myself like, man, all these things about negative outcomes that's gonna, you know, and then the thing that caught me down was like Roger, they brought you here to be yourself. Like that's the only reason that they brought you here. And I'm confident that if you do your best, you know, whatever happens from this, if you completely fuck it up, you gonna be able,

if you care about it enough, you will figure out a way to put yourself in this position again, and prove yourself all over again. And if it goes well, then, you know, you will just demonstrate to yourself that you actually can handle these types of environments or whatever the case. And I just gave myself grace. Like, you know, this your first time doing something just be yourself and see what happened. I'll try to sell try and best be yourself and see what happens.

And by tapping into remembering to be myself and not perform or sound like who I thought I needed to sound like to make that work I just double down on being me and everything went fine Yeah, and then you know that's it's kind of like this recommitment to yourself all over again Every time you get a new opportunity or just whenever you need it like I'm sure with all of the stuff that you do though like I know you just start to experience these little subtle changes. And then I'm drifting a little bit. And do I like this about myself? Do I like how I'm doing this? Do I like how I'm saying that?

Like is that me? Is my ride in a trend? Am I doing this? And it's like you really have to be intentional about recentering yourself and reminding yourself that essence of who you are as you navigate this world, man, because it will turn you into a weird-ass person if you let it. Well, it's interesting before this, about as big a name drop as you're going to get, but

we got to interview Tiger before the match like four years ago. It was going to be a quick interview. It was kind of an uncomfortable like interview setting. We got like 10 minutes with them, whatever it was. And I'm getting ready to interview him and I'm pretty nervous. I mean, come on, like, you can understand, most people can understand that. And DJR, our guy was out there and he was getting ready to film it and all that. And he's like, kind of got this little sense

that I was getting nervous and like that. He's like, he's like, not to make this way worse, but like the only way you can screw this up is by being like too nervous. And I was like, that's a, that's a weird thing to say, right? But he followed it with something like, like, like, you shouldn't be like, you're, they, you know, you, there's a weird thing to say, right? But he followed it with something like, like, you shouldn't be like, you're, they add, you know, there's a reason why

you're sitting in that seat. Like, you're good at this, you know how to do this. Like, be a normal human, be a normal human to him, be yourself, and like, don't be a nervous ball of energy. And like, you know, kind of react to what he's saying, kind of give him shit if you need to, and like, that's what's gonna make it fun. And that like, totally freed me up.

It totally just took me out of what I was at. And it kind of and like, that's what's gonna make it fun. And that like totally freed me up. It totally just took me out of what I was at. And it kind of is like, I think about that moment a lot too when I'm like faced with a really nerve-wracking golf shot of some kind. It's like, dude, why be nervous? Like embrace this opportunity you have to go, go try to do something great. Don't try to not screw it up.

Go try to do something great. And I think about that with any kind of pressure situation I get put in. And gosh, is it help, man? It really does. Bro, you like it. We were the services that we played with my boy, his name DJ too, by the way, but we on the first tee. And I don't play with DJ probably like five or six times. And I know like he just a very relaxed and laying back golf. We like don't really take too long to do much. You know, Tia's ball loves to take a quick practice when he bump it. But for some reason, first Tia Cypress,

now he acting like he in a master's. You know what I mean? And I'm like, bro, why don't you just do what you did before you got here? Like no, Cypress is in turn to throw in something else, man. And you know what I mean? It's just like, but you see that over and over again. And when you get to these spaces,

you really just have to double down on the opportunity it is being yourself, because that's the whole reason you're there, and if you commit to that, that's where you're going to usually get the best result. That's my advice to anyone in life. If you ever got to do a public speak or you got to do something you're uncomfortable with, right? It's just like, go try to get chief.

Go try to, you know, go out, ball out and get it instead of like make it's it's hard to tell somebody not to be nervous or whatnot. You can apply it in a lot of different ways. But the other thing, the other thing is if you suck like so word, uh, like, yeah, I mean, people see people suck all the time. And it's like, if you suck, it's like, yo, and if you, and if you care enough about the fact that you do something, then after the experience, you'll go make sure that it

don't happen again. Or you'll make sure that the next time you get the opportunity is better than the last. You know what I mean? But like, failure in and of itself, like people are so afraid of it. And it's like, yo, go try your best. And if you suck when you try your best, then it's probably

some things that you could be doing a little bit more efficiently, and you know, go out there and seek that counseling and make those changes. It's probably a little bit more efficiently. And you know, go out there and seek that counseling and make those changes. It's probably a cheesy motivational poster somewhere, but I do love the phrase. Like the only failure would be to not learn, right? Like if you fail, it's kind of like, okay, you should be just learning something from that. And I both hate and love that phrase. It's cheesy as hell, but it does, uh, it does apply.

But you say, you say it for a reason, bro. Yeah. Speaking of you, uh, say and you suck. You have a great video that went that went pretty viral of it. Kind of take us through. It's one of your real talk videos where you're kind of explaining. Or I guess have you explain this video, the eight minute video that went all around the golf world where you're basically sending message to newcomers to golf. Like you're you got you're going to suck for a long time. Bro, yeah, that was that that was the one that kicked it off actually.

Like and this is this is during COVID before this, I had a media company, a small media business. I still have it, but I was just doing content for small businesses, some athletes, I would like some offseason content for them. And you know, just just a lot of digital content creation for brands and stuff. And so when COVID happened, I lost all my business. And so I'm sitting around, I got my equipment, I got my little studio set up at the crib. And I'm just like, man, you know, but obviously,

there's no work, but I'm playing a bunch of golf. And I'm posting about golf more, you know? And a lot of my friends start to ask me like, man, you know, I'm on a plate golf, like taking to the golf bus, would you take me to the golf bus? And I'm like, I'm telling these people over Like take me to the golf bus, would you take me to the golf bus? And I'm like, I'm telling these people over and over again, like, bro, you're not ready for the golf course, y'all. Like, that's not the first step.

I promise you, that's not the first step. We were told me what's up. And so then it probably got to the point where one day, I was like, you know what, dog, I'm gonna make an intro to golf for dummy type video. And just, I turned on my camera and I just let it run. And I was like, I turned on my camera and I just let it run and I was like you know I wrote down my outline these are the things that I want to tell people but

when I got to that part and I was just telling people I look I don't care what you think you did in high school you know I don't care you basketball all soft football all the men I don't care what you did when you come to God bro you gonna suck for a long time you know suck so long that you won't ever wonder if it's gonna stop and you know it's but that's where you need to get to actually submit to this game so you can actually start to grow through the game you know the man and I think that like there's so much optimism out there in in the in the land like it's so many people in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, by years and they still trashed. Like sometimes the trash never let up, but you gotta be willing to go on that journey. But please don't come into this game

thinking it's about to click. There is no love at first sight with golf, bro. Like it just, it just, there's no quick happily ever after this game. And bro, I think that I made this video and it was very raw, because only had like 3000 followers at the time. I think I might have cursed like 70 times.

And for somebody that was trying to get, I can't even say that I was actively trying to get into the God space at the time, but I definitely thought that that video would be like more career suicide than like something that propelled me forward. You know what I mean? And then sort of response to it was so crazy.

Like golf.com posted the video on their social and Ashley Mayo deleted every curse word out of it. She sent me the list like oh just in case you were wondering here the timestamps for all the curse words that we believed. I was like oh okay sorry about that I think did you like it? It's like oh no we love it it was fine. So right then that was like a real big moment for me because I felt like golf was open to different types of voices speaking on the sport. And that empowered me a lot, bro.

People being receptive to the way I delivered that message. Because it needed to be said regardless, you know what I mean? But people being receptive to how that was delivered and how raw and rough that was delivered. I mean, I just want to talk to people on social media like I'm talking to my homies. Right. That kind of carved out a whole ring from the end of the cell. What, you know, for people that's still like,

aren't familiar, what, what is, are you a solo operation? Is it just you, is your company? Do you have an LLC? Is it just you filming everything, just you editing your content? How does your content workflow go? I got a small team with me, man. But I mean, we very small though, you know,

so I got like a brand strategies and I got, you know, full time, you know, shooter editor on my side. And I've always had like some sort of variation of that, but I think in the early days, I mean, obviously during COVID, like a lot of that was just me, you know. And a lot of the like, if I've ever done like a really dope high level editing or something, I'll probably take on a bulk of it. But I definitely try to surround myself with, you know, talented creators that I have a passion at least for what I'm doing or they're curious about it at least, you know, the man.

So, but it takes a village long. That's why I watch like a, you know, I'm in. So, but it takes a village. That's why I watch, like, you know, you post an eight minute video to Instagram or something like that. It doesn't take eight minutes to do. Like, it takes a move. It takes people don't, a lot of people don't understand what goes into all that.

I see some videos pop up and I'm like, damn, what's their budget for this? I know how much it costs to put all this together. And I know about time it takes you export it. You got to round the notes. The audio's messed up on this version. You got to read it. You got to re export it. You got to do all this stuff that is a huge bearer to entry. But one thing I would tell people about jumping into the content spaces like you have to find a way to express yourself that's authentic to your brand. So like I thought that a lot of the ways that I wanted to express myself, the style that I shot

it fitted, you know what I mean? It was like, okay, I know I want to wear some, I want to have an apparel focus, so I like the clean background because it allowed certain things that I had on the pop a little bit more. You know what I mean? And so everything was very thoughtful about it. And it was like, okay, I know because I'm going to be talking this on like the audio quality got to be like a bit more elevated than just, you know, a shot

on a mic or something like that, you know. And, you know, it's just like things, but that's not to say that the only way to do that is to have an elevated production approach. Like, you know, it's really about finding a content style and a visual style that fits your messaging. And I'm sure that we've all seen so many different combinations of content style messaging, you know, fine success in this space. But I just think if people would just be intentional

about how they wanted to visually represent themselves and kind of be thoughtful about it, it's probably a lot easier than they think Once they actually find out the best combination of tools to use for that. Well, one of the first things that that put you on our, on my radar and on our radar, I think was one of the videos again, awesome white backdrop. You got the dramatic lighting. You got, you know, you're sipping on some whiskey. And there was a beef between you guys or something to explain this between you and the East Side Boys. And you did a whole video addressing it.

Do you remember what I'm talking about? Is that the kosher question that asked about? Remember that. I mean, I'll answer it because you brought it up. Like I'm not sure. No, I'm not. It was just misunderstanding that we had. And this, I kind of open myself up to scrutiny

because there's a lot of people that say that I handled that situation wrong. And I'm open to everybody opinion of the right but like at the end of the day, let's say me and you do this podcast right and then let's say, you know, we don't talk for the next couple months and then one day you get a DM for me that I sent you on accident and let's say, you know, you and your significant other posted a picture of y'all says, and I said, damn, you know, he corny and shit and his girlfriend and the ugly too when you look at it. You know what I mean? Like, okay, so now you get this, you know what I mean? And this is a good, not a wife, you know, I know you, you know, you're probably married,

but like, you know, I got that message, and I'm like, damn, first it was kind of shocked because I didn't think that we was on them kind of terms. I thought that it was all admirable like we're doing different things with things all kosher, you know what I'm saying. And then so I respond back to it and I'm like bro what you just say, you know, and so I started here I read the message, but he was acting like I didn't exist. And I'm sitting there looking at my phone, bro, like say something, dog. Like, you know, let's get to the bottom of this. And I guess it's like two ways that you can handle that. It's either you can, you know,

fast up and say, like, hey, man, like I know, like I think you corny, bro. Like I think that a lot of the stuff you do is weird. And you know, I'm sorry I said that about your girl, but she's not my type. You know what I mean? Like, he could have went there with it and kept it on some players. And I know, I'm sorry I said that about your girl, but she's not my type. You know what I mean? Like, he could, and he could have, he could have went there with it and kept it on some, some, some players and I would have been like, oh, you know what I mean?

I guess I kind of, but just was like, let's have a dialogue, you know, what you could say, I'm sorry I was hating. We need to have a conversation offline because, you know, I think that some things kind of get this understood of the two of us. You know, it's like, it could have went one or two ways, but both of those approaches for me to dialogue. And so the fact that they do one respond, and then it was like four or five days of the past, and I had tried to like nudge them in different types of ways, because I'm kind of petty sometimes,

like I was tagging them and stuff, and you know what I mean, like, oh, like the digital one works, I love it, love it. And finally, it got to the point where I was just like, you know what, normally I'm going around looking for content to talk about, but this like just fell in my lap. And it's kind of this, this is like a very common type of situation that we find industry-wide,

cultural-wide where people just don't like each other and what is healthy conflict resolution look like at that junction. And so then I make this video and I kind of like expose the whole thing, dog, and uh, because I just, I don't know, man, I just, I just felt like I guess a part of us playing golf is that if we see somebody doing something wrong, like, and we see it, we got an obligation to protect the field, right? And it's like, if I see somebody cheating, if I see somebody, you know, doing something shady, messing up the golf course, whatever the case,

I got a responsibility to like make sure that people know that people like this do these types of things so that they can make their own decisions about if they want to play with them. And so I thought what I was doing was kind of like protecting the urban golf landscape a little bit bit, you know by saying, this is an experience I had and this is how I was resolved or how I wasn't resolved.

And I expose that whole thing, but my overarching message was that like, yo, especially as far as black golf goes, like it's not a whole lot of us in the game. Like we don't need to be beefing over, you know, petty stuff like that. you know like it's wrong for us all too and like man we should all be figuring out ways that we can collaborate versus you know kind of talk it down on each other and you know at least if we don't talk down on each other at

least let's step up and on it like you know the main less you know let's be men about it and so we we had that that situation but yeah that was probably probably the most viral piece of content that I made. And I don't think that that was like a diss to them, you know, even though they were kind of like the subject matter, but I think that it just signified that that's an issue that we all need to discuss more. It's like what does healthy conflict resolution look like between men? And between black men, you know what I mean? It's a lot of conversations like that in Chicago. Like if somebody said that to the wrong person, like that person showing up at your crib, and now it's like a bigger issue,

or they see you out in public, and then it's a different type of issue. You know what I mean? And this, by man, but like, okay, well, I'm willing to resolve it this way. And then we make this corny design, and we sold a bunch of things, and we sold a bunch of it. And we raised a bunch of money for charity dogs.

And I'm like, man, I'm looking at this like a big ass win. You know, in my book, I'm like, yo, this is like, we taught a bunch of people a bunch of stuff. Hopefully they felt like some sort of remorse for how I'm that is played out and in action that they took or whatever. Kids got money. Like, you were like, oh, man, it's like, happy ending. But a lot of people are like, nah, nah, you shouldn't.

Well, it goes back to you, you were like, you were being you, you know, that's kind of what, and that's where like a hard thing also is, you know, you might get a piece of feedback or something that's negative, but like, and there might be some truth to it sometimes. That, you know, if you have to, as a content creator, you got to be comfortable saying like,

hey, that's how that person feels, but also, you know what, here's my target audience, right? Here's what I'm trying to reach. I'm gonna keep being me, like, I'm not trying to reach everybody. I guarantee there's people who listen to this show, they're like, you know what, that's not for me, and that's totally fine. That couldn't be more fine.

I go through the same thing with some other creators in all kinds of aspects of like, hey, instead of like wanting to jump all over them and diss them and make fun of them, I can just also be like, there's other things I can do with my time. I'm gonna move on, right? It's just not for me.

They're speaking to a different group of people than I'm speaking to and let them kind of do their thing. And it's taken a little while to get there. At times, it's not always as easy as that as well. Yeah, yeah. And so I just, you know, them dudes, man, just, you know, don't them do is man, just, you know, they they doing amazing things in the landscape. I saw them recently too, man. You know, I don't

think that, you know, I think that that message still landed in the wrong way. You know, I don't need like, you know, I mean, so, but I mean, but they they doing some dope stuff in the world, so I still wish them a lot of continued success and stuff like that. And I hope that that situation in particular is something that we all grew from. Because everybody got, everybody in touch

with today on the pin years dog, but it's just like when you got a pin and people find out about your opinions, you got a man up a little bit. You know what I mean? Well, but that was a lot of work. I saw that video. It was like, okay, this dude's doing something different, right?

And it wasn't filled with hate either. It was just like, you know, it was an open honest conversation about it. And we've I have been on the receiving end of DMs that were about us or about me that were meant for someone else at accidently. And we've all done it before too, but I've had that happen before too. So we've made you to film a video with you to get back at some people that have tried to talk shit. But see look, see look, but never, you never expose in a right? You kept it close to the chest, you was just like, oh, okay.

Yeah. And it looked like your life is turning out pretty good. So maybe that's something that I should actually, I should have thought. No, no, no, that wouldn't be you being you. That wouldn't be you being you. That doesn't work that way. One thing I wanted to mention,

I meant to bring this up where talking range talk was just like, the one, I watched the one with you and your dad and that one made me honestly just like a little bit emotional like when I watch watch that I see someone that I feel like has found fulfillment in what they do and has found genuine happiness right and that's something that's really really hard to fake I think and I don't know to see you and your dad talk about that stuff on camera again just I keep going back to it's very real and I know it's a lot of work and pursuit to get there. But there's something to chasing a passion.

And it kind of speaks to a lot of things you've been bringing up of what brought you back to golf in a way that, you know, and learned about Cypress and learned about all these places. It just speaks to, I saw a lot of like what I love about golf. We have probably had two very different routes to be in on this recording together right now. But a lot of the same reasons and things we loved about golf are what have probably had two very different routes to be on this recording together right now, but a lot of the same reasons and things we loved

about golf are what has brought us together. I don't have a question related to that other than like, that was really cool that you have a whole video there with your dad kind of talking about all that stuff. Yeah, man, my dad, we went through obviously being our only child and the son at that, my dad wants me to do better than he did, right? Because it's really like, I think the father's son relationship when you are raised as an only child,

that father feels a lot more pressure to make a better man than he was. And especially being in a city like Chicago, he's very acutely aware of all of the threats and the things that will come in between you being successful or living a happy and fulfilling life. And my dad made a lot of tough choices with regards to how he wanted to spend time and spend money, like him choosing to introduce me to the game of golf. Like he knew how expensive that was. You know what I mean?

And for me to go so long, not appreciate his effort, like, you know, in grade school, through high school, you know, my dad trying to incentivize me, like, y'all gonna get you this club, but like, you know what I mean? I, he was just trying so hard to make me love this game. And I was just so unappreciative of it for so long, you long. And then to kind of all this time to pass and to come back and that same game that he was trying to force on me and really give me the love is the thing that's opening up all of these opportunities that are way bigger and transcend the sport.

It's just a crazy 360 type thing man. For all of that to come for a circle in that way. Because when I quit golf and I went to school and I've always been pretty intelligent and I was going to be a civil engineer. My dad was like, okay, well at least he's going to be smart and there's going to be a lot of job security there. And he's going to be able to get our family

trending in the right direction. You know what I mean? As far as our police officer made an engineer, maybe his mom's son or daughter, or someone be a doctor, or whatever the case. You know what I mean? It's like, we moving in the right direction. And then, for me to say like,

oh yeah, that I'm about to quit engineering for reasons that I couldn't really explain. I was just like, I hate engineering, but I do like this golf thing. You know, that hurt him a lot too, you know, because he like, man, you know, like man, you know, like your financial stability, you know, it's hard I hit and I had no money

and all of these other things. And you know, for him to sit back and kind of, I really just squandered all my savings over the, from like 2015 to 2017, bro. I like, I spent all of my money, like all of my little baby retirement accounts that I was starting to set up being a responsible adult.

My savings accounts, like I, bro, I had nothing just trying to figure out, like, yo, what the hell do I want to do with my life? And I know a lot of that broke my bad heart, you know what I mean? Just to be like, man, like I, I tried to, you know, instill all of these things in you. And to finally be at a place where it's like damn dead,

like, you know, together me and you will be figured this whole thing out, you know? Like this, like my life is a joint effort of us to, and for us to sit back and reap the benefits of that and certain ways is crazy, man. And you know, it made me emotional talking about that, but you know, I just, man, I just, I try to tell my dad, thank you as much as I can

for spending that time and having a foresight and taking the chances to make sure that I have the opportunity to see the things that I have opportunities to see. Love it. I think no better place to to wrap this than right there. That was that was fantastic. And we greatly appreciate you coming on finally doing some content together. Every time I run into I say we got to do something together and we haven't gotten worked out. But next up we got to tackle some video in the next couple couple of years or something. Take me out somewhere man.

Come on. Take me. Don't you just played Cypress today. You take me out somewhere, man. Come on. You just played Cypress today. You take me out somewhere. You're doing better than I am getting to golf courses these days. Bro, this is just a random act of God that I just happened to be in this city at this time and this opportunity opened up. Like, this can't be the standard by which you judge me on my access to the world. Well, we'll definitely make it happen, Roger. We'll have you back on the pod in the future.

We need to bring you into live shows for majors and stuff like that whenever it fits your schedule. So let's make it happen. I'm holding you to that dog, hey bro. I know if you go bad on me, I make a video about you. I'm a shine. I'm still that guy.

I'm still that guy. That is it, full circle. Roger, thanks so much for spending time with us. We'll see you get to it, but thanks. Get a right club. Be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most.

How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Better than most. Better than most.