No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 628: PNC Recap

Episode Date: December 19, 2022

The PNC is in the books as Vijay and Qass Singh win the event which was predictably dominated by the presence of Tiger and Charlie Woods. We look at the good and bad from the week in Orlando, plus the on-air changes at NBC and another notable front office departure at LIV.  We also take some listener questions and look ahead to 2023. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. I'm gonna power through whatever I've got here without complaining. And that is Mr. TC, hello Mr. TC. Sally, I appreciate you doing it for us tonight against all odds, showing up, getting the job done. We are running on empty, on sleep.

But you know what, we're totally rejuvenating me today, that's the P and C, and we're gonna get to that. Neil Schuster is here as well. Good evening, Neil. Gentlemen, what a pleasure to be here in the virtual studio with you. Gentlemen, what a pleasure to be here in the virtual studio with you. TC, nobody fights through allergies and weird sicknesses like you. Sally, at least you have a role model. I have something to draft off of. I have just an example set before

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Thank you, thank you for spreading the love this holiday season. All right, I'm gonna throw this first question at, uh, Mr. Mr. Carter to start us off. Where you stand on the PNC championship TC. So I like, I don't want to be Bob Humbug. I don't want to be a Grinch. I, I hate this event. I hate it so much. I can't want to be a Grinch. I hate this event. I hate it so much.

I can't help it. Like, I didn't even get on Twitter all week. I got on Twitter today because NFL was on. I avoided Twitter for the last four or five days because this whole thing just puts me in a bad mood. And it's not even the event itself. It's just how people act around it, towards it, during it.

It shows why we can't have nice things. I think Brendan Porath had a really, really good, well-reasoned, very reasonable article this week in the Friday newsletter just about, you know, kind of, hey, we can take the good with the bad. We can find some of the positives in this. I'm telling you, I can't find any of the positives in this. It is just, it is the most oversaturated.

I hate it so much. It puts me in such a bad mood. I, the part that makes me laugh the most about that is starting with, I don't want to be a Grinch, but I hate this hidden giggle that his bed. So this is where I'm at on this. It seems like this, this sounds like an idea that we would have. Of like they should get all the fathers and sons

and daughters and sons and get their kids, get their dads involved and play a little hit and giggle at the end of the year. How fun would that be to see Tiger play with his kid? And like three years into doing it. It's like, ah, no, I hate that too. I hate it too. I can't tell if I see some of the reaction to the reaction online and I can't tell if I, like I, I see some of the, like the reaction to the reaction online.

And I can't tell if I find myself falling in line with that to say, like, oh, yeah, this is dumb. When like, if I'm being really honest, I enjoy the heck out of this event. I think it's very just cool to flip on. I was spending a lot of time with family this week and somebody asked to flip it on. Somebody wanted to, there's not really a golf fan wanted to watch Tiger in his son play and everyone just like you know everyone in the room. It's not really even sports fans were eyes were drawn to the screen and laughing at the similar uniforms and things like that. And it just is like, man, this would maybe is it for us the most,

you know, Kupet diehard competitive golfers, but it's freaking entertaining. It really is. It's not like all working for me, but I'm in favor of it, man. It's a fun end of season hidden giggle. Neil, where are you at? I think I'm with you, Sally. I enjoy, and it's less about Tiger and Charlie. It's more about just like watching Nelly play with her dad. And I like seeing Speed's dad show up, you know, rep in the C-suite hard, like seeing he's got a really bad move and Vp in the fun while you know and Just I like to watch the dynamic of like JT and how his dad's like kind of not really into reading puts and he's like come on Dude, let's just like speed it up here. There's a lot of good

Dynamics if you get past the thirst the thirstiness with tiger and his son I find the other partnerships, both endearing and fascinating, like, I mean, Podrick Harrington's son, like, world class dumpy, you know, that was cool, like ridiculous haircut. Like a lot, there's just a lot to be gleaned from this event, I think, how these guys interact with their, uh, either their fathers or their sons, I think is interesting.

And I think, I think bacon had a good tweet about this this week as well, just about an event that reminds you of rounds with your parents or your family as well. And there's no one that like celebrates family as much as golf does. Like you don't see like NFL, the NFL like celebrate people's families nearly as much. I will say Brian, Brian Kelly, Donald LSU. That's true. That's fair. I will allow that for the family. But there's some, there's layers to it, right?

And I also, I'm going to flip around with TC on this one. And the evolution of the Charlie Woods thing has been, it's, it's late in the game here, right? If they showed some, some images of him from two years ago when he was a small little type, we'd never really seen him before and it was hilarious to see all the ways that they imitate each other. Now the voice is dropped, and now that he's 13,

and he's, you know, ball speeds 160, and he's carried it 270 yards, it loses a little bit of its charm to the point where all the freaking out and the gawking online about this is like, okay, well now it's not really that cute anymore. It's kind of like, you know, teenage weird years that, you know, it's not quite as endearing as it was. So in a way, like, it's kind of like, we can't have nice things like it had to kind of evolve to this point. Well, now you've got, it's unfinished business. I mean, I mean, start the clock, man, they haven't won the thing yet, right?

It's not cute anymore. It might just be like, is he a killer? Like, can you get it done? Like, I'm curious. Let's see, next year, like, appointment viewing. Well, I mean, we've got cast sing and VJ. It was, it was, it set up perfectly for the Vita scarolitis. Nobody beats cast sing 17 times in a row.

They won and their 17th appearance. It's insane. That's insane. Uh, that's, it's, it's insane. That's insane. But no, like I have, I, I, I have nothing against Charlie Woods. This isn't about Charlie Woods. It's almost, it's about the reflection we see when we look in the mirror. And not, you know, us personally, but like golf, Twitter, golf media, golf fans in general. Like I, I want to crawl under a rock just because I do not care about this event.

And if you're online this week, you cannot get away from it. It is breathless. It is in your face. It is all consuming. It is creepy as fuck. It's weird, man. And then like, I will say, like, the whole like Charlie Limp thing, I can't get down with that either.

I didn't watch a single minute of it, all right. But some people sent me a Charlie limp thing. I just can't do it. I can't get down with it. T.C., I have a question for you. Would you, because I have a couple of suggestions to make this event better, but would you take the Pebble Beach Pro Am over this and get rid of the golf course, get rid of the location. But like, do you would you rather watch Bill Murray do his bit? Who had watched Carlton do his dance? Or would you rather watch this? That's interesting. You say that.

I, so I played with Bill Murray this week on Tuesday and dead to listeners that are curious. We're absolutely dead serious here. I'm actually against, I believe. Yeah, beat his ass. Uh, I'm foreign too. I play with Jimmy Don, I beat Jimmy Don on Monday. I beat Bill Murray on Tuesday.

It was a surreal week. Don't do this. Don't do this. Don't do this. I will say Bill Murray, I thought he was going to be burned out and just like the same stick that we see at Pebble, I could not have had a better time and a better, like he could not have been more endearing, more engaging, more genuine and all that. So I truly feel like the stick with pebble is a lot of that is the way that they cover the tournament.

Right, and a lot of that is, it's like, get up on stage and dance for me clown, kind of thing with Murray. And they stick to Cameron's face and all that. I would take pebble over this, 100%. Okay, now flip that at 10. Reverse the, like I would, I think I would take this format, this at pebble over this 100%. Okay. Now flip that attempt. Reverse the, like I would,

I think I would take this format, this at pebble beat over. This scrambled sick, this scrambled sweet. I didn't know. I think that the, I think the father's son dynamic, it seems more, these guys genuinely seem to be having an awesome time.

Like they're playing with their kids or their, their fathers, like I think it's authentic that they all look forward to this event. I think the venue could be better Right like if you put that on a better golf course more iconic place a place that I'd like you know that course the the Ritz course It's just kind of boring I think this could be better than the Pebble Beach ProM because I think some of the celebrity stuff is where I get a little worn out of like We're faking it here guys like it's it's a stick Same characters every year at that Pebble Beach ProM. I don't get much out of that. I get more out of like we're faking it here guys. Like it's a stick. Same characters every year at that Pebble Beach Pro Am.

I don't get much out of that. I get more out of this personally. Well, let's just be reminded to this event was almost nothing. We would never have even, we would never even, we have never covered it until Tiger Start playing it, right? That's what made it like, and it's kind of like the future of watching Tiger Woods on television is the hero,

the match, this and like whatever majors are the flattest that are far enough apart from each other that he can go play. So it becomes a staple of the year in that way. Like, if you want to watch Tiger Woods play golf, not on a screen, this is what it's going to look like. And, I don't know, it's just like, I can't imagine replacing this week with another like actual real tournament or anything like that.

It's about the QB shootout. It's better than the RSM. It's better than anything else really in the fall as far as what to look forward to when people are just totally. It doesn't know. It seems like with the match and this, the lines between what is exhibition golf for entertainment and fun and competitive golf

don't get blurred too much, right? It's like they're steering into the entertainment aspect of it. It's a scramble, who the hell cares? I'm pro this, I think it's fun and I'm not going to, I'm not going to be a grinch this Christmas. And that's kind of where I'm at with the, the Pebble Beach event is like that does blur the exhibition and the competition. And I'd rather just be one of the other personally.

That's fair. That's fair. I think it like Pebbles a great look. Like I wish Pebble got a better tournament. You know what I'm saying? Like it the I don't know. I'm just I'm thinking about this event at a better course. Like you know that that would improve the experience for me.

But I like the format. I like the dynamics. I think it's interesting. I yeah. It's me like it's more just me being pissed off at like the state of the world, right? And like solid your point about the about this thing wasn't a big deal until Tiger and Charlie rolled around.

That's the take, right? That's it. That's it. And it's just a fun exhibition until that happens. And now it's all this all-consuming thing that people are trying to glean and squeeze every single click and page view out of. And it's just kind of sickening, to be honest. And I'm down with that.

I don't enjoy that part too, that part weirds me out, but when I flip the TV on, I still am entertained by it. I think that part's funny. I think, again, seeing it through other people's lens as well, and that, I guess I don't let golf Twitter root it for me by all the seeing the same highlights over and over again and things like that. But I do think it's an incredible change

from when Charlie Woods was tiny and it was hilarious to watch him club twirling and fist pumping. Now it's like, I don't know. I feel like I'm psychoanalyzing, but it's like, all right dude, go on to your long, made the cut at the masters when he was 14.

Like you're 13 and fist pumping, really hard in the PNC, like I'm not really, that's not as charming as when you were 11 years old. Is it a little bit weird how much he imitates his dad? Oh, oh, you see the clip from the school? Like I'm not trying to psychoanalyze a 13 year old here. I guess we are at this point, right? But like, at some point, you know, like, listen,

you have like one of the most iconic parents in the history of sports, right? Like, it's a big shoes to fill. But on some level, like, you got to kind of try to be your own person, I guess, which I think he's doing. But I don't know. It seems like kind of. I don't know if I'm going to get a bite on that one. I would just, I'm going to give him the benefit of that out. I appreciate that he's, you know, he's gonna get a bite on that one. I would just, I'm gonna give him the benefit of that out. I appreciate that he's, you know, he's like, I want to play golf. He wants to, yeah.

I appreciate it. You're saying big shoes to fill. I'm gonna let him act however he wants to act. There was a clip going around, you know, they were interviewing Charlie after the first round. He did like a tiger answer of like, well, I push him as hard as I could. I really could.

And I just had to have a giggle about that. The limp was, there of course, Tiger being coy about another woods injury. I'm like, oh, it's just growing pains, just growing pains. It's like, all right, that's too much. Like I can't have you guys both limping around in the same way out there. That's a little much.

It is what it is. Anybody else you want to give a shout out to in the PNC? You know, we've got the sink snail. Perhaps they have some unfinished business. That's a little much. It is what it is. Anybody else you want to give a shout out to in the PNC? We've got the sinks kneel. Perhaps they have some unfinished business. I believe they do. And it was his other son, not the one that Caddy's for him. So, you know, he's given both siblings a shout at the title.

They haven't gotten the job done though. So, the cooters were out there, good for them. Good to see that very player. The sinks did win in 2013. But it might have been the other the other son. Okay. So maybe Stu does have some unfinished business with with this son. They ruined Davis and Drew loves first title defense. There we go. How do you guys feel about the the purse? Winter gets 200k. I think second place. It starts go down like 60K, 55K after that. Let me just say this right here. We don't care. We don't care. I mean that's probably the best,

like for PNC, that's probably the best investment you could possibly make. That's what I was thinking the exact same thing TC, like what a what a good deal they're getting. Total purse is like a million bucks, and think about all the airtime they get. It's the one event that cats actually playing and it's like the lowest title sponsorship on the menu. That's really good stuff, just a total clearance sale. I love it. There might be a appearance fee slash foundation donation

or something, I can't imagine they're getting off with just just that putting up that kind of purse. But I don't know if you're asking for shout outs. I'll say I would love to hear a recap from Jordan's beef this past week after playing with Nelly Corda because every time they showed her on screen she was draining some kind of putt from mid range and like there was just people all around just shaking their heads. I would just love to hear recap of that. I'm maybe we'll effort that in January from speed could. But that was, that's another fun element of this. I mean, the Onyka thing and, and mixing Nellie in and hopefully they get more women involved

into the future. I think I have a feeling that they're going to try to do the same thing to her, to Onyka's son that they've done to Charlie Woods and get as many impressions out of him walking puts in as possible. But it's part of the charm of the event. And like the kids seemed to really get a thrill out of being on that stage and getting a chance to to show off and whatnot. I was hanging with my 11 and 13 year old cousins this past week. And it was pretty hard to like picture them out there like performing on that biggest stage and see that unfold. So I don't know. Maybe

we shouldn't bag on the kids as much as we do, but we're saying what we feel. Again, I'm not bagging on the kids. The kids aren't the problem. The adults are, it's just like you sports. Keep the kids aren't the problem in you sports. The adults are. What do you give a shout out to our friends

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And I still like playing just, you know, real tennis too, but it was great. Man, it's really a good, cheap way to get some competitive thrill. Big fan. A few other notes from the PNC. It was the final telecast for Gary Koch and Roger Mulpy. Roger got to follow Tigers group group on the last hole. So the last hole he covered. Actually, the last shot that he covered

would have charlie woods holding out, which was, and I had to kind of laugh a little bit at that. But I think I'm caught him in the boat. I'm still in the boat of, it was not a long time coming, but it was probably just time for a change of some kind. I don't think Roger or Gary did anything necessarily to deserve being let go, but it was probably just time for a change of some kind. I don't think Raj or Gary did anything necessarily to deserve being let go, but it was probably time we've long called for changes of many different kinds in the way golf is covered on television.

And this was an easy-ish way to do it. And I wish them nothing but the best. And they've been a part of a ton of memories that from watching golf growing up all the way to this moment. And it's still even if I even if I feel like it was the right move in some way, it was a bit difficult to watch the last telecast. Yeah, I'm a Coke head. I'm a big, big Gary Coke, Roger's obviously a legend. I think both of them probably deserved a heads up. At least, or, you know, I think Coke was upset that they didn't get a chance to say goodbye

to people during some of these tour events and, you know, kind of have not like a farewell tour, not like a coach K farewell tour, but, you know, just kind of, you know, have one final season knowing that this was going to be his last one. And it's a little bit weird as well where they said that they're trying to get younger, they're trying to get more dynamic, and then they hire both of whom I like, Kurt Byram and Brad Faxen, both of whom are older as well.

It just seems like it was very much a cost-cutting measure, right? If it involves NBC, I'm sure it was. I think it was more of a, you know, Byram and Faxen are both significantly younger than Coke and Malti, who, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, They're kind of filling the coffers promoting within, but filling the coffers with with some younger guys. I think, you know, we got a question there from TR TV 83, the best options to replace Coke and Maltby. I've long called for more Kurt Byram. I think he's an excellent analyst. I think he he toes the line. Great for entertaining and knowledgeable and all those things. It felt for me these last few years. I thought that the team of Hicks, Johnny Miller, Gary Koch, Roger Maltby was so good.

The four of them had real, real chemistry. Taking Miller out of it is just kind of left, I don't want to call him lame duck years, but it's just not the same glue that holds them together. In that regard, kind of finding a new crew to kind of find some chemistry together is probably a good move. I just don't, I just don't think that Coke and Mulpy are there to carry the show probably more than they need, they need to carry it more now than they did when Johnny Miller was there. I agree. There's nobody there in the booth to really bounce anything off of for them anymore, right? It's like, what do you think about that, Raj, or there's not that constant

volume of, you know, back and forth. And I will say, co-com all be your 70 and 72 facts in, and Byron, or 61 and 63. So they're not like, significantly younger. I like, I'm right, I'm, I'm in lockstep with you. I like smiley, really like Kurt Byron and love facts, especially if he wears that brown suit that he wore at the, uh, at, uh, what was that chamber spade? Yeah. Yeah. That was spectacular. I mean, they're not young, but that's 10 year difference.

Like, you know, if they, if they're announcing for the next 10 years in their here, it'll probably be like, yeah, it's probably time for you guys to retire. So what about DuVal getting him more involved? I like, this is, this is a wish list, right? Like I'm sure maybe he doesn't want to do it. Or like I take this question is like, okay, dream set up. Like if of guys that are doing it right now, I would love to have more, you know,

hands-on telecast stuff from DuVal. Like I really, I appreciate them on the, you know, live from stuff in the studio. I think he would be a decent guy in the booth. Do you guys agree with that? I do agree. I'm the same question you have. would be a decent guy in the booth. Do you guys agree with that? I do agree. I'm the same question you have.

I wonder what his appetite is for that. I mean, it's a total, it is a demanding, demanding lifestyle into, you know, into your, whatever age, you know, you know, he's 50s and 60s and things like that. Like, do you want to be on the road 25 to 30 times a year, you know, talking golf and, you know, the money's not insane from NBC. I don't think it's not like it's can't pass up opportunities. It's truly a lifestyle choice at that point in your life.

Is that what you want to do week to week? And Davis loved tried it and found out very quickly that was not for him and didn't want to do it. And so in that regard, I wonder if it's not like they're choosing from an unlimited pool of people that are capable of doing it or want to do it. What about TC like players? Guys that aren't even in the booth, do you have a like a dream commentator? Someone you're like, man, I wish that guy would do it.

I mean, Harry Higgs. Like, Harry would probably talk too much. He would probably have to figure out how to tone it down and whatnot, but he'd be really good. Just cycling some players in, you know, that have come off the course on, you know, for Friday afternoon coverage, guys that have played Friday morning, they can help bridge the gap. I can just ask in these dudes to be super serious about the grain and the read on a putt on Friday afternoon is not putting you in a position to succeed. If you change up the pace, even Tiger comes in the booth at the hero and they just kind

of have like a live podcast on air, you're on air enough hours where that makes sense to do. Come bring guys in, give them a chance to show off some personality, give them a chance to show off their sponsors, something like that so that these guys don't have to carry a load for a 12 month season. Golf never stops, and these guys never stop talking. Let's give them a break from doing that. Well, I think also there's there's a certain sense of like, all right, we got to figure it out right from the start. Like, maybe you don't. Maybe you can cycle a few guys in or out or,

again, going back to Friday, Porath had a great, great piece on this week. He's like, hey, like, don't be afraid to fail. Like, try some new stuff, get some new blood in there, cycle some guys in and out. And I'm totally with you as well. Like, you know, getting guys in the booth and talking about what happened that day.

It's a no-brainer. I would say the other one to your question, Neil Jeff Ogleby. Yeah. But again, I think it's lifestyle choice, right? I would have to think so. Yeah. Mel's 19230 said,

can time heal Tiger's injuries or do we have to resign ourselves that it's over with very little hope? And a side note to this question also, Patrick Harrington said that he thinks Tiger Woods will will win another major. And really? Yeah, I don't know. I'm amazed that we need to revisit, I guess, this part of the conversation of what is hopeful for Tiger, but I don't know how you see this even compared to like last year and are extremely hopeful. You know, that comes from a strictly health perspective. Like he's not even trying to pretend that he can walk 72 holes right now, plus a pro M or whatever.

You know, I know they don't have major, uh, problems at majors, but I, I, he, I, I, I, know shots. I just can't walk. Okay. The walking's a big problem. And I don't know how he's ever gonna be sharp enough to actually contend. I think people are maybe anchoring to that

opening round at the Masters. There was nothing, we never saw anything else like that from him the rest of the year. Well, yeah, I would, one thing, I mean, seeing him with like 180 plus ball speed, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's wild.

I mean, I know this probably isn't the sexy answer. I wish you just take a cart. I'm team cart, man. Just I'd love for him to go Casey Martin on us. And just like, yeah, like, you, if you can hit the shots, but you can't walk, I'm cool with it. Like, just, just riding cart. Was that last week, Sally, that we were talking about the, like, the difference between Casey Martin taking a cart, like, just in the philosophy and psychology of it between Casey Martin taking a card. Well, the last couple of weeks I think, right, was Martin's was a birth defect, right, versus and then Tigers is a, you know, a self-inflicted accident, right? Sure. You know, then does that open up things if anyone has an injury of some kind, can they take a card? And I meant to make this point when we were talking about a TC's.

I've been to Champions event where they all take cards and it's hard to stress how silly it looks. Hit a bad shot and just like, Salk and run over to your card and like, out of the way, please, like move, please out of the way. It really is a tough look. Like it will be such a spectacle if Tiger would take a cart yet at the same time. I think it's like make a freaking exception so we can watch you play golf as a reasonable thing. But he has dismissed it so quickly that I think it's open and shut case Johnson. Yeah, I don't think it's, I don't think it's anything

Tiger would ever be interested in. I'm shocked to hear Podrick say that. That's like, and and I say that as someone who like predicted the tiger would win another major, you know, after, like, after 20 or after 2015, 2016 and all that. And I think Randy still owes me a thousand bucks on that count, but I think that's true. Yeah, but, but like, I just, I can't see it. I mean, maybe lightning in a bottle for two days and he's in the hunt after two days at, at Hoilake or because I think the other thing is, like, he's not gonna be able to play all the majors. Like, I don't think there's any way he plays Oak Hill.

You know, he'll play L.A. this year, he'll play Hoilake and then Augusta, I assume. And then, you know, same deal next year. I guess next year, we have Valhalla next year. Valhalla, Pinehurst and Trune. I just, I think that leg is gonna get worse before it gets better. I don't, you know, we have Planta Fashiaid is now.

TC's predicting Turf Toe next to come up, come up to come from this. Like, it's not, it's not good. I don't know why we can't just like sit back and why we continue to do this with the cat. If it happens, I will be here celebrating and I will be here celebrating the miracle. I think the opening round of the master's issue was a freaking miracle. But you saw the smile in his face when he finished the round the the tournament

and finished in 47th place or whatever it was. He was just happy to have finished 72 holes and like imagine like beating Rory and Sheffler and Mor Morakawa and all these dudes at 72 holes of major championship golf on one leg with no like no no form coming into it. It's just extremely extremely hopeful. He is not he's not a superhuman. Yeah, and it's I mean shit Neil going back to your thing to see him at that kind of ball speed with a totally different swing like his swing is all arms now. And it's, I mean, shit, Neil, going back to your thing to see him at that kind of ball speed with a totally different swing,

like his swing is all arms now. And he's still absolutely just rocks the ball. It's so impressive. So as well. I know, it's still fun to watch. That's selfish, right? I get it, you want to take a card, I'm not gonna be up tiger for that,

but I just, man, I wish we could figure out. I'm also curious what kind of, like what is rehab, like maybe talk about this at the here, I didn't listen to the press conference, but what's he doing? Is he, how hard is he grinding to, you know, get the leg back to get rid of the planter fasciitis?

I don't know. I mean, it's just rest though is the thing, like that's what he keeps saying is like he just needs the rest. It's just every event he plays and sets him back, and it's like a month, you know, with your with your foot up and it's like, I just don't know how you really build on that. Question I have. Does this kind of end to his PGA tour slash, you know, competitive golf career increase his chances of playing on the Champions Tour where they do let you ride on cards?

I've never pictured Tiger playing champion store, but it kind of feels like it maybe does. I don't know, that's not gonna be coming up the cat. He doesn't need the paycheck, right? And I don't know if he, if he's a good boy, if he had the juice out of it, I just wanna be competitive. He's not there with the boys, you know,

I miss beating these guys. I'd love to see Tiger get into coaching. We're getting in, like, you know, kind of take some dudes under his wing. You know, I think he's kind of done that, but like, be a little bit of a, like a swing coach, right? Or, you know, impart the knowledge. I think that'd be really, really cool.

Which I do, yeah, I wonder, and I get a lot of people, like, it's Charlie Woods, is he going to the PJ tour? Is he going to the tour? Is he going to the tour? I'm like, I mean, sure, maybe, but he's going to have to be like an entire generation of players that his dad helped create, right? And I don't know if does Tiger Woods have secret golf swing advice that he can pass down

only to his son and only to his son? I don't know. And, you know, I'd be curious though, is like what that coaching process really actually is like and how much Tiger wants that for his kid even. But I don't think he's gonna be. No, I'm not sure. I know you're not. Yeah, I'm just curious if like he is, you know, maybe holstering some of that stuff

to only share with his son. I don't, I don't, I, that's above my pay grade. Who's asking you these questions, son? My family and my high school buddies were texting me today too, about like, you know, for sure, Charlie Woods for sure going to the tour I'm like, all right, let's back up on this a little bit They're all football guys. I'm like, it's Tom Brady's son is gonna be a, that's basically what we're saying here and So I have some, I have some tough conversations around golf as I'm sure you guys do it times too for sure The first question that an Amber East mouth is always is always, what is he like to say? What's this live, live thing?

What's a live thing? What's a live thing? You know anything about that? And it might, it's always, how much time you got? I just set you up for the segue there. Why don't we do that? T.C. that was an expert level segue. I hope I'm saying his name right.

Atel Kassla, is that sound right? He was the, he was the COO? Again, is that right? I always, he was. He was. He was the CEO of live golf. And to this Again, is that right? I always, he was the CEO of Liv Golf. And to this day, the only interview I've read, I know Sean Sock and some other people had a chance to interview him

at one of the final live events. And talking about the future of the league and the business plan and things like that. And the only interview I read that was like, huh, all that like made sense. It's wild, the ambitious, but like that really interesting answers. And like, wow, all that like made sense. Like it's, well, it's wildly ambitious, but like that really interesting answers. And like, wow, that's an adult in the room.

Well, the news this week is also costal. The veteran sports executive who was expected to guide live golf into the franchise model in which it has state its viability has resigned from the venture that Saudi Arabia's sovereign well fund financed in a challenge to the PGA tour. Costals exit just more than a year after live announced his appointment as its chief operating officer comes as the startup struggles to gain sustained traction and confidential records reported by the New York Times this week suggest is far from reaching the benchmarks that would

make it successful. This was another report in the New York Times. So my question is how bad are things that live? Because this seems like a very, very bad thing for them. Yeah, this guy, I mean, he seemed like the adult in the room. He seemed like a competent, very, like he came from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I think he was their BD guy, slash chief commercial officer there. Yeah, I was impressed when I heard him speak as well.

So kind of, this is shocking. It's also interesting to see the New York Times continuing to report on live and, you know, on that front. And then also this week, the Wall Street Journal released something about where the live was accusing the PGA tour of rallying the 9-11 victims and 9-11 families against live. So I think that was a very, like it's been very interesting to see these two journalistic

entities report on live versus the PGA tour in which sides they fall out on. And it's coming into contrast. Now, the PGA tour, it's very interesting to see them aligned with the New York Times, because I would imagine that among their ranks aren't a whole lot of New York Times readers. Well, it's interesting that, again, the Wall Street Journal report that you're referring to there

that the titles Liv Golf accuses PGA TOR of secretly coordinating attacks on it by 9-11 victim groups, which was interesting phrasing, I would say, in that regard. And it is just, I read it and I'm like, man, it's a report of what live is claiming, right? And that is a far cry from like a report. Like the New York Times reports recently have been like, they're not, this is not what the PGA tour is saying about live.

It's like their own fact-finding. Oh, this is what the McKenzie boys are telling live to do. Which I think is. The product out of that is. Project wedge. Or what they're telling them not to do. Yes. And they live doing it anyway in very certain terms.

I think successfully my bullshit detector is up so high. And that I haven't confirmed it. I didn't even see much reaction to this. Like Greg Norman said this week that he had met with JT to talk about live. And I do notice he doesn't say anything bad about liver. What we're doing because he understands what we're doing. I was like, okay, well, probably none of that's true. But they may have met, but I'm curious to see the actual details of that.

But I now nothing gets by me where I'm on a Mac like, huh, that's an interesting fact. Yeah. I mean, this news with Coastal is like, it's not good, to me, shows that, I mean, it's probably just like, I don't know, probably got fed up with it, but I don't think that this, that live is not going anywhere.

I almost think that some of these reports put the PIF and Saudi government into like, we're gonna show you, like I think it would force them to dig their heels even more and continue to throw money at the problem. So I don't think it's like, oh, they're gonna fold up and go home next year. Like I don't think that's happening.

All right, so their run rate this year was, I think, you know, I think it was like 850 million. It was $2 billion. Yeah. Was the estimate. So assuming they'll have to do something similar to that, because that didn't include all the bonuses and everything, right? That was just the cost of staging the events in purses and all that stuff.

Probably some of the bonuses too, which I'm guessing are paid out as an annual contract. I think they've got two to three billion set aside for this. So that would suggest that they've got another two years in them, two to three years left in them at this rate. And they still haven't announced a TV contract. Well, but the question of that is, I don't think it's like, hey, the money's dried up. Let's go ahead and pack it in. I think it's when they get embarrassed enough to pack it in that they change it, right?

If they need more money to keep it going and to find whatever they're looking for out of this, they'll find it, right? It's just to the point where it's like, do we want to continue to do this and isn't accomplishing what we want to accomplish that things end? But man, it's just done. I don't know, it's weirdly quiet. Everything's weirdly quiet now. They're not even attending to muster up any rumors about guys. They're signing.

And if they go into this next year, 14 event, calendar with only five events outside the U.S. with no new signings, that's going to be a tough, tough way to start this year after having some perceived momentum. And the novelties worn off at this point too. For sure. Well, it seemed like this Coastal Guy was very competent. And what I learned from this article is like, well, obviously you got Greg Norman,

that's probably not easy to work with number one. And then it seems like. Is he consolidating power? By the way, that's what I'm thinking. I don't know. I think it's the, what I was gonna say is, I think it's that governor of the PIF. What's, I can't remember.

I'll remind you. I'll remind you. Yeah, the article said that he's known as a micromanager. So I'm guessing that probably has a lot to do with it as well. That he might be the guy that's tough to please or it's this one day and then he changes his mind and he won't get out of the way. So the two of them at the top,

that has to be just a tough duo to work for slash with. Our minor for listeners, at this time last year, the COO was Sean Bratches, who was another adult in the room that resigned from this position. And so just something to keep an eye on as things continue to get really weird. There's more live stuff this week and that there was a filing of blah, blah, blah.

I don't even care to read the details anymore. But basically live, play into the story that there was going to be this huge secret meeting at the match. And it was, you know, the purpose of the meeting was to deter live. And they tried to put that into a court filing and the tour replied saying like, they literally made this up to like try to give off the idea of collusion here and it's a totally fabricated story that there was no meeting at the match. And it's just we got we got multiple years of this tit for tat stuff that's going to continue to unfold. Project wedge, baby. I love it. Live also announced Tucson, Oklahoma and West Virginia stops for 2023, uh, just, you

know, three hot beds of golf. The Green Briar, uh, I love seeing your guy Jim Justice officially get involved. Right. Solly, I was going to say it's West Virginia. Now, Solly's going to flip. He's, he's going to be all in bringing golf to the great state of West Virginia. If live goes and buys out Neil Brown's contract, then maybe I could flip on this thing. But I think the West Virginia is going to have to keep Neil Brown for another

year because they can't afford to fire him. But if Jim Justice was handing out 100s originally, you know, to the fans out there, I wonder what he's going to be handing out now because it's got to be a very fruitful endeavor for him, I would imagine. I think the biggest thing about all this live stuff where they're going, it's like, all right, they're going to this like third tier course outside of, is it Oklahoma City or Tulsa? And then they're going to the former site of the WGC match play, like the old Dove Mountain site.

It's called the gallery now. And then they're going to, another place that's had, you know, that used to have a second or third tier PGA tour event at the Green Drive. Which confuses me, because I thought it was all about the golf. Like, you know, I thought that was their mission all along. that used to have a second or third tier PGA tour event. The green bar. Which confused me because I thought it was all about the golf. Like, you know, I thought that was their mission all along. And yet it seems like it might not be.

And I don't know where that leaves me as a golf fan, you know, just leaves me confused. I can't figure it out. TC, those locations make a ton of sense to me because it's almost like a lot of the players that have joined live. It's like, oh, we used to, you know, we used to have this high stature in the game. We had a, we had a tour of that years ago. Like come back, you know, they're just kind of trying to squeeze

a little bit more out of it. I love it. Well, it's funny. Like, you know, maybe Bubba's trying to get real estate prices back up at the Green Briar after he, you know, after Jim, Jim gave him some stuff, same with Phil, right? Phil out of place there.

And P, remember P's video when he was on vacation? That was at the Greenbrier. And then I assume Oklahoma, I assume that's probably Taylor Gooch. But it's just a weird deal too, because I don't know, I feel like they've, they've staked their claim on being this international golf thing.

And it's like, yeah, you're going to Tucson, Oklahoma and West Virginia. Like that, it just kind of strikes me a little bit odd. I mean, they have five events outside the US, the PGA tour, which everyone's mad about not having a global presence in the game, has seven events outside the United States. And when you think about how many starts are available

in live events and all the bullshit they've spewed about growing the game worldwide, it's like they're creating such a minimal amount of starts outside of the US for like global golfers. And I know they have the Asian tour thing that they're doing and all that stuff just to distract everyone else from this. But it's just such a facade.

It's all, there's nothing there. It's totally not there. And I wonder, like I'm hearing what you're saying on where they're going to some of these events. That all sounds like Norman to me of, we're going to hurt the tour here. We're going to hurt the tour here. Everyone that the tour has scored in some way, you know, we're just going to dig out of them a little bit. And that's where I'm wondering, like, how much Norman and the piffs goals aligned, right? How is, how is he able to continue to

gain more and more power allegedly when it seems like he would have done his part. And if they really are trying to accomplish this global golf thing, it should not be, they should not be going tit for tat with the PGA tour free turnity. Yeah. They need to bring Mark King in and just do some live chalupas or something. Tacos for everybody. Hand it out tacos at the green briar. Mexican pizzas, that's right. That's right. My Acaba. You get Trump involved, best burritos in New York and Trump tower, ship those things down to the Green Briar.

That's the trifecta right there. Neil, get your politics out of my golf, okay? Come on. This is a, no collusion, it's total witch hunt at the match, okay? Speaking of no collusion, total witch hunt, peace attorney, one hearing this week, Larry Klamon, Niels Guy, Donald Palm Beach. I guess they basically, it was a win, I guess,

because they didn't throw the case out. It's like an anti-trust case against a PGA tour. Potentially could lead the depositions by the cat, DL3, Big J, et cetera. I got put, I'm sure you guys did too, which kind of concerns me. I ended up on the Freedom Watch newsletter, Mr. Larry Klaimon, the Honorable Larry Klaimon, emailing me once a week, usually,

and I do read it because it is entertaining. Like, I think he sits with the Soros on his desk. I mean, some of the words he goes into with his overviews of these massive wins that he's that he's generating and, you know, these crazy blows that he's dishing to the PGA tour. The guy is, I mean, I don't know. He may have more typos than you. He's suing people, though.

So I hate that he knows my email. That sucks. He may have more typos than you. Yeah, thanks, too. But he, but you could tell. He takes pride in his vocabulary, which I appreciate. We got a question from huge sounds. I assume that's how you pronounce his name. How does live shake out next year? I get this question a lot. How do you see this how do you see this

folding out? How do you see it on playing all things like that? And my gut right now is to say like being kind of a dud like basically how the year finished felt like it finished. Once they went abroad and known as watching it and they were going up against football, it just feels like that's how it's going to kind of be if they don't continue to splash big names. But I'm curious how you guys see the next year playing out. I think it, I think it ends up a lot like we feel right now. It's just kind of like cool, man.

Like it, it kind of happened. I think that with the cadence of their season feels very strange and that, you know, it's just kind of like cool man. Like it kind of happened. I think the cadence of their season feels very strange and that it's going to go from kind of March or April until September. And then the time of year down in South America and Australia and Southern Hemisphere when you can play a lot of good golf seems to be going by the wayside for them as well.

So I feel like they're kind of trying to squeeze the toughest part of the calendar for golf because it's already, there's already good golf on. Yeah. I mean, to me, what happens with the telecast? Otherwise, I think I'm right there with you of like, it's really going to be tough to keep hyping it. You're saying getting on television contract? Yeah. Yeah. And they keep teasing that we're close, we're close, we're close, I don't know. I mean maybe they are, maybe that's really like the key. If they don't get that, then it's probably gonna be tough to keep the momentum up, especially if like competent people are voluntarily resigning.

As they're trying to scale up and hire other hundred, that's tough. Now, granted, it's not like all rainbows and sunshine here at the PGA tour, like they're having trouble hiring people too. They have a million unfilled jobs. There's some challenges there as well, but I'm glad to sit on this side of the fence. Yeah, I think it is still up in the air.

I think the PJ Tours made a lot of really good moves and I am excited and curious and we're going to do a whole season preview for 2023 to kick off the new year and address this in more details. I'm excited about it, but it's far from a guarantee that it's going to work in the way that I think everyone would like to see it work. And it's just, I don't know, I'm back and forth on whether these WGC like events are going to be really entertaining or are they not? And I still feel like they are, but even after, especially with talking with Harry Higgs, it's just kind of like, yeah, it might not work.

We'll see. We'll find out, but they got a ton of other issues. Next up on the list, I had the QBE shootout. I missed this couple of weeks ago. QBE shootout becoming a co sanctioned event with the LP, D.A. be a co-ed event. You know what? That's good stuff. I'm praise progress. Right? It makes a supremely uninteresting event, a little bit more interesting in my eyes. I agree. Again, it's embracing kind of silly season and a little test run of, you know,

doing something like this and maybe we can end up with one that, you know, is on the main competitive part of the calendar that gets a lot more eyeballs in the QBE shoot out well. But it's better than the current iteration, which I can't ever recall watching a single shot of it, which now gives you an extra bit of a reason to tune in. So I'm in. Yeah. And then next up, we talked about this last week, a extra bit of a reason to tune in. So I'm in. Yeah. And then next up, we talked about this last week a little bit, an update to the Jack Nicholas Howard Milstein story, battle royale of sorts. It turns out Jack, a court ruled that Jack can lend his name to golf design once again outside of the Nicholas design umbrella and work under the company one-jn.

So it's all, I know this, you know, this must make you really excited for, you know, Panther national things of that nature. I'm saving all comments for our Jack Nicholas financial deep dive, which is going to come at some point. I just can't believe, got like, cucked out of his own name. That is tough. Like, you know, you can't, can't,

couldn't leverage his own name, got just. Worst business man ever. Got kind of poined by, by Milstein. Total, a total pointing. Pwinderponed, that was those poned. I think he had a point. I think he had a point. He got poned.

Well, like, but like literally owned, though, like that's what happens when you sell. Yeah. But you're getting lucky. I don't know what you were expecting out of this, but I still feel woefully unqualified to comment on any of this Nicholas business stuff. But it's it's brewing there. I saw I could say somebody sent me a DM earlier. They're like, you guys got to cover this whole thing that's's brewing there. That's all I could say. Somebody sent me a DM earlier.

They're like, you guys gotta cover this whole thing that's happening to Jack. It's so sad and tragic what's happening. I'm like, there's nothing sad and tragic about any of this. He sold his name, image likeness, associated companies for like 145 million. And then Milstein basically bleeds the company's dry on cash and does a total jujitsu power play move?

Games board control and like Jack's left out in the cold and can't even like get together and non-compete to not work for his own companies anymore. It's insane. It's awesome. That is really sick. Next up, I had the DP World Tour continues the exceptionally strong start of 2023 season

with the Afra Asia Bank Mauritius Open. Frenchman Antoine Rosner, prevailed by five shots, just a convincing victory that's right here. That's a, that's kind of a dope name. I, that you put this in the agenda as continues the strong start and I didn't hear the laughter

behind it until you said it. I'm so happy that there was laughter behind it because for a second, I was like, oh my God, TTC is going to tell me this is a really, I kind of, I looked at the agenda to and I was like, huh, we're going to go down the leaderboard. Is this, is this a big task event, like certified big task event? I don't know. I'm thrilled with the, with the tone as well. I, I can't tell you why. This golf

season feels like it's bleeding later and later than any other year. This golf year, usually it's like around this time, I'm kind of like getting, getting Nancy for a couple of it. Like, let's do it. Let's start rolling new year. And this year just feels like later and later and later. I don't know if it's a tiger effect of December and the match and whatever it was, but it's going to be hard to get fired up again for the start of the season. Couple of those in what? Like two and a half weeks? Yeah.

Starts? It's coming. Yeah. That's wild. It's coming. It's coming. I'm coming. We got the sand belt invitation of this week across Kingston, Heathrow, Melbourne,

Yara Yara and Peninsula Kingswood. It's Jeff Ogleby's kind of baby, he includes some of the guys down there. Cool format, pros, amateurs, mix genders, all that stuff. I don't know, cool event, I think that's good. Guys, I didn't realize Netflix is doing a drive to survive for tennis.

I think that'll be a really, really interesting watch, especially knowing that like Keriose, really interesting watch, especially knowing that like Kierios played really well this year and just all sorts of different stuff. So that that day, B is January 13th. I think that'll be a nice preview of what's to come for golf as well. And then I just wanted to say congrats to the pro 4.0 Max Holman being named at the athletics golf person of the year. How about that? By Brendan Quinn. How about that? How about that muffin?

Good for max. He put himself out there this year and achieved a heck of a lot along the way as well. Any kind of entered our tour sauce target demographic of, you know, board fathers with newborns watching our content? Texas ran an hour like about to, you know, last episode and I was like, oh, yeah, you're bored with the kid. This is great. Good for you, man.

Like 7 a.m. Yeah. Yeah. Couple of questions. And then, you know, we're going to we're keeping our silly season pods a little tighter, a little we don't need to bleed into the close to two hour range this time of year. We're saving up some some energy for the holidays and for the day. Save in the takes, baby.

Come on, we don't want to burn out around the holidays. Speaking of the Netflix thing, just a line read said, what are the chances there will be a material difference in TV ratings after the Netflix series comes out? Well, new fans flocked to the sport as they did with Drive to survive. What do you guys think? I would say there's a zero percent chance that there's material difference in the ratings. Maybe for the biggest events or the majors, right? There could be a bump, but I think it'll be short lived when they see the television product.

Yeah, like I think about, I've been watching in-season hard knocks with Carson and she likes to show, but that doesn't mean she wants to watch any more football. Yeah, but no, I mean, to be fair, nobody wants to watch the Cardinals. True, but I think to show, even they can make the Cardinals interesting, right? Like I find that Hardinocks is an example of like, here's the most popular sport, it's like, ah yeah, but that doesn't mean I really want to tune in

to any more food, any more red zone that I'm watching. Or it means, hey, I want to watch the last hour and a half on Sunday. I don't want to watch Friday afternoon, right? Which, you know, by the way, on the Cardinals thing. So the, the, the offensive line coach who got fired a few weeks ago, they think he actually wasn't the one that groved that lady. They think it was the GM and it was a case of mistaken identity. Well, that would make sense because they do look similar. That's, yeah, very interesting.

I have a feeling it's going gonna be a really interesting episode. I think everybody on the Cardinals staff is gonna get got here in about three or four weeks. Like it's not going well out there. It's they're having a bad time. What did I ask? Like what what what what what was the question here? I just was about Netflix and like will the show make golf and I don't think it will like I think it'll be I think it'll be I think it'll make people say like I hope there's another Netflix series, right? Like, oh, it's all, it's all, you're just asking, it's like, it's a similar thing, because the hard knocks thing

is like in season, like, it's always just been pre-season, right? Last year they did the first in season one. They did it on the cults, and the cults had this historic collapse. And then, and then this year, the, you know, like the Cardinals are just smoldering disaster right now. Cliffs Kingsbury, Kyler just tore his ACL.

It's not good down there, so it's going to be super interesting, but I think we're going to see more and more of this in-season stuff for sports. But to Neal's point, it's not going to make you want to watch the Cardinals. I guess this will not be in season. It's going to be during a season, but it's not about the current season, right? It's about the previous year in golf. So it's not. I was using it as a point. Yeah, no, I know. But I think it's the most private support in our country. And like, it's not really moving the needle with a casual fan of my own household. That's, that's an audience of one. I would say overall, like

the NFL media strategy has worked, you know, it is a piece in the, like Hardinocs is a piece in a very vast media strategy that has led to it being the most popular sport in our country by a long, long way. Whereas I feel like the sense I get from some golf people is that Netflix alone, this series, can change golf forever and is going to bring this flock of fans in. Yet, the structure of how the sport is broadcasted and like it's a funnel. It's going to lead everyone to watching it and realize that it's not worth your time. If you don't change that, what worked for Formula One was a multi-pronged approach

that included bringing televised Formula One races to the United States without commercials. And I don't think we need to stress very strongly how different the golf operation is going to be when people tune in for this for the first time. So I think it's a net positive though, like more complex. I think so too, but it's not going to save golf. I don't know. It's not like, but it's a good thing. I'm excited about it.

And I think it'll be a net positive, but there's a lot, you're right. Let's get there. There's some other things in the house we need to fix. And it's not PGA tour only. I just want to keep stressing that too. Like it's not an info, like from what I've gathered, it's not an info commercial for the PGA tour and it's going to cover other golf as well

and the season as a whole and it's going to be a bunch of unseen things in it. And I'm super curious to see how it gets executed. So I'm curious, I'm keen to see, keen to see golf get covered like a sport, right? Neil, to your point on the house, like yeah, we got to fix the cracks in the foundation. Some of these small spestas problems. The windows are in my place. Like the roof is 18 years old.

There's trees over hanging in the house. I try to put an addition on top and it turns out that the floor is kind of sink in. It's not good. The floor is, yeah, there's horrible carpet in the bedrooms too. Like the countertops have not been updated. Listen, listen, I can do this. I can keep going if you want.

The yards falling into disrepair. There's rot. There's a whole lot going on. And you're trying to, you're trying to paint the outside of the house. We got a lot we got to address here. So I do think it is going to, like I think it is going to have a, so look back to the question,

we'll have a material difference in TV ratings. It depends on how you define material, but I think it's going to, it will add some buzz around golf. I really do think that. So. you define material, but I think it's going to, it will add some buzz around golf. I really do think that. So, yeah, maybe it's a, you know, slight increase in that coveted 18 to 49 demographic, right? Going through, I think this our last question.

We'll get to tonight at BizBZ Golf Goals for the NOU lineup, not a deep dive, but one of the two things on the vision board for your own golf game in 2023. Neil, I'll start with you. I'm pumped, man. I mean, we didn't get down to that zero handicap. That was the goal this year. So we're going to, we're going to keep that. I might have to put some P and Lynn in though and say like, we're trying to get to a plus five, right? The total like my goals. I should for the stars. That's right. We're going to end up at zero.

If we aim for that, I want to, I I wanna improve my putting is what I wanna do. I don't know exactly what that's entails, but the good news is everyone should tune into the Traptor House goals podcast, which we have scheduled for, I believe the 27th of December, where we all get together and talk about both goals. For release the first week of January. It'll be released the first week of January,

but I'm actively thinking about both personal and professional and golf goals. But I think, you know, those are two that I'll tease right now. Yeah, we're writing this in pencil. This is notes for the trap draw goals pod, right? I don't want to tie myself to any of this. I'm looking forward to getting back to being a aggressive and on offense driver of the golf ball.

I think through a lot of my own doing, I have turned into like about as defensive of a driver of the golf ball as possible. I'm fighting with one hand tie behind my fight from a fucking life out here. Try to get the ball. The insurance company's love you. Try to get the defensive you are.

Try to get the ball. The insurance company's love you. Try to get the ball off the tee and it has just bled through so many levels of my golf game and I've stopped practicing chipping and and wedge play because I'm just trying to get it and play off the tee. And I want to get back to be on an off its off the tee and I think it's going to fall into place. I'm not going to play many events. I'm going to try to peak for the for my the gasp real in February. That's my one. I just circle and just say that's my competitive golf time And I want to get back just playing more golf. I did not I mean, I think 2022 was a unique year for a lot of reasons and It involved the least amount of golf I've played

I mean, I've played a fair amount this fall That's just kind of my usual time to play but through September it was the least amount of golf I played since we started Knowing up full time and I think it can bleed into kind of how you cover the game when you get too tied down in pro golf and you lose touch sometimes with how hard it is to fade a six iron to a back right pin and hold the green. Like it just can change your perspective on things and I feel the most connected to the game when I'm out there playing it and enjoying it. And 2022 is not my best year for that.

So that's a goal of mine. I'm right there with you. Be an aggressive off the tee, trying to make more birdies and trying to eradicate this left mist that's kind of crept in over the last six to 12 months. Squash that now, TC. Let me tell you right here. Squash that now is something that's had it for two years. Well, really since Neil and I played it at Belvedere, you know, that was when the left

mist started creeping in and it's just, it's been an issue since then. So, you know, I've tried to eliminate the left side of the golf course, but I think off the tee, but in doing so, I kind of have felt like the club's swinging me a little bit. I'm not swinging the club. I got to get back to swinging the club. Are the jacks headed the playoffs? Gosh, I hope so, man. That was awesome today. I didn't see the end of the game.

They're losing, as of when we started recording, they were down 17-14. I can look that up for you though. What a moribund organization the Tennessee Titans are. Like there's just like nothing redeeming about them. God, the Patriots stink too, huh? Titans lost 17-14 finals. So the jacks are. Like there's just like nothing redeeming about them. God, the Patriots stink too, huh? Titans lost 17, 14 finals. So the Jags are one game back

and they played the Titans last week of the year. Ooh boy. But man, the Jags, like they just, you know, Trevor, just, you know, that fumble, like man, this game's not over. I, Freddie and Alex, my wife went to the game today and Freddie was sobbing after the fumble. And Alex was like, it's not over yet. We have three time outs. They didn't even need to use all three time outs.

Stinky Dack gave him a reprieve. And like, dude, Dack was like 16 of 18 for 200 yards and two scores in the first half. I was like, all right, he's coming into my house and shitting on the floor. I felt like, all right, he's coming into my house and shitting on the floor. And like smearing it and saying, Dac was here, TC, like I own you and then sure enough, he reverted to stinky Dac third quarter and then blew the game there. So it was awesome.

I love watching this football team, man. I get so excited, Doug Peterson, like I'll go to war for Doug Peterson. It looks like every guy in that locker room would too. Ever since, you know, like the shit even, like, you know, some of these starting games at the beginning of the year and then the Ravens game of like last month or I can't remember when that was at this point, but Doug going for two, going for the win, showing guys, like in my opinion, it's him and Dan Campbell

for NFL coach of the year at this point. Which I kind of feel bad now, because I didn't feel like it was the Jags year. It felt like, hey, let's be as close as possible on a lot of these and lose. It's probably the best thing for the franchise. Stay one more year of like a plentiful draft, you know, filling up the coffers via the draft

and be ready to come out and win some of those close margin games next year. And now it's like some of these close losses they've had are like, holy shit, they could be like 10 and 4 right now. If a couple balls bounce a different way. And they're exciting to watch. Everyone's been a very, very good player for, I mean, fantasy purposes and real NFL purposes for the last six to eight weeks. He's been so like a different player since they came back from London seemingly just, you know, playing aggressively. Just looks assertive as hell.

So it's like, I disagree a little bit in that it feels like, to me, it feels like they needed a really positive second half of the year to go into the off season with some momentum and feel like, much more so than like, I'm normally like tank for draft picks guy, but just to erase all of the bad shit that happened from the urban years. I mean, it's crazy. Like this is pretty much the same football team. Like they didn't make a ton of huge changes

from a personnel perspective year-to-year. Yeah, they got Devon Lloyd and some guys on the defensive end. But like, they won that game today with both of their starting tackles out at various points in the game. It's crazy. It's exciting.

I mean, it's a terrible division, of course, but it's exciting to have a little bit of football. How about the cults? The cults, you know, they were like hovering around 500, the Benchmat Ryan, they fire their coach, they go into an absolute tailspin, higher Jeff Saturday, and now like looking back, it's like all they had to do was just like,

not Benchmat Ryan, and probably like, yeah, you know, and Frank Craig, like probably still has a job and they're and they're like leading the division. I don't know. I mean, they just, they just, what biggest comeback and gave us biggest comeback in NFL history yesterday. They were up 30, 30, nothing. They lost 30, 36 to 33, which is 39, 36, 39, 39, 39, 36. Which was somehow not a score agami. That broke my heart. I was really hoping that that would be a score agami.

Score agami is the best. It's fantastic. I love it. But those that don't know, that's what there's a final score today and a foul game that has never happened before. It's always a fun thing to track. So.

Even when there's not score agami, it's like this, this score has happened. Yeah. 78 times in NFL history. The last time was this day. Neil, how about your Jets, Zach Wilson? Like I don't think I've ever seen someone's teammates hate them as much as his teammates hate him.

They lost a heartbreak today to Detroit. 2017, last, I think a game winning drive. It was like fourth and three. I was watching it and they threw an out route to the tight end and went like 51 yards, which was, which is tough. It's tough for the jets. It sounds like there was a out, absolutely outrageous finish to the, uh, Patriots Ravens game today, which I, with the game tied, uh,

they, the Patriots ran like a, what do they, what is, what is Valcol, the flippy flippy, whatever Play like with the game tied and They've prepared a bunch of laterals said the the raiders picked it off or what the latter was and ran for a touchdown With the game to finish it off. I cannot wait to watch the Clapper and coach break it down for me with Maria here shortly Probably time for us to wrap so I can catch up. I've been waiting all day for that I you know we'll have one more pod here to wrap up the year. I got to start working on it the holiday medley that we always do kind of highlighting a bunch of the year and interviews and all that.

But this will be the last recap pod of the year. I want to thank everyone for participating all the way through the end of the year and what was very trying year and all the people that have supported us. For this past year and we got some great, great, great things cooking for 2023. Some changes to be made. We'll highlight some of those and discuss some of those on our preview podcast that will come out in the very early part of the year. But man, it's been a year.

It's been a lot of fun at times. It has been a lot of fun. It's been a lot of work. And I've enjoyed going through it with you too, as well as the pie man and Randy and all of our guests and all the people that have supported this show. So I really appreciate it. Appreciate you. Thanks everybody. And you TC. Good stuff.

That is it for the flu game. We did it. I'm going straight to bed. You'll have to update me tomorrow. I just what happens inside of night football. So thank you everyone. Tune in. We will see you back here to start the new year. Cheers. football. So thank you everyone. Toon in, we will see you back here to start the new year. Cheers. The right club. Be the right club today. That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most.

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