No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 632: Tournament of Champions Recap

Episode Date: January 9, 2023

Jon Rahm comes back from a NINE shot deficit to win the Tournament of Champions, overtaking Collin Morikawa who led by seven at the start of the final round. We recap a wild day at Kapalua, offer some initial thoughts on the elevated/designated event status, detail the latest departures at LIV, share some behind the scenes stories from our video with JT and Spieth, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the first ever live from the Kill House, not really from the Kill House, not from a major championship slash players, championship slash writer cup, slash soul high cup. First ever designated PGA Tour event recap.

I think I executed that perfectly, guys. This is the No Leg Up live show presented by our friends at high noon, Sally here, DJ Pius here looking crisp in his image. Hello, Pie Man. Hey, guys, happy new year. Happy to be with you. A designated live show. You took the words right out of my mouth.

You really, that was low hanging fruit. No, I'm glad you went for it. Neil, how are you, man? Great to see you. I'm doing well. And you know, it's tough adjusting to the 30 degree weather off the flight from Maui, but we're doing well.

We still got, you know, the sun on our mind here. You know, first one of the year, working out some camera things could be some auto focus issues. Listen, we're trying to get dialed, but happy, happy to be here. And a happy to be here and a lot to talk about. A lot to talk about tonight. This is the also a first that the PG, the final hour of the PGA tour broadcast is going to have less ads than we are going to have on this show. And again, we were ecstatic to announce high noon as the presenting sponsor for our live shows this year.

That's a dream come true for me, honestly, because I've been drinking high news on the show ever since I discovered it. I did. I don't think I've touched another celtzer since I've discovered them. It's a dream come true for me, honestly, because I have been drinking high noons on the show ever since I discovered it. I don't think I've touched another celtzer since I've discovered them. It's made with real vodka, real juice, and sparkling water. You guys know I've driven all around a Jacksonville to I think three or four different publics to try to find the pool pack. You know, I got the pool packs tonight. I got my guava.

Sun I know is not out in a lot of places this year, but I kind of like the point of this whole tournament is like you can pretend like you're basking in the sun in Hawaii. So you can look for high noon on drizzly or at your local convenience or liquor store or visit highnoonspirates.com to find it near you. 100 calories, gluten free, no added sugar. I'm telling you these things are in high supply

at my household. Again, the kiwi and the guava are the go-to tonight. So the highnoons were flowing out in Hawaii this week, if I may say watermelon for me. I'm going to go black cherry. I think there's a lot of black cherries left over. I don't know if you guys are big black cherry guys. So I'll hoover them up on my end over here. Guys, a lot, a lot, a lot to talk about. We were kind of game planning earlier on about, you know, what are we going to talk about tonight? The tournament's going to be kind of boring finish here. You know, we got a lot of our experience in Maui this week to discuss as well. But all of a sudden, pretty damn exciting near the end.

Are we worried about Morakawa at this point? What does this mean? DJ, what did what do we just watch? And how does it? How do you, how do you make sense of it? Um, worried about the chipping. Yes, worried about Morakawa in a macro sense. I would say no, you know, my good friend, Sully pointed this out on Twitter. He's stepped on people's faces for years now. These are just kind of like weird blips. And I know what happens is like, you know, you do it once and theoretically,

it's in the back of your head. Like all anybody's been saying about Morkawa is just how polished he is, how mature he is, how, you know, he is the guy that, you know, doesn't let that stuff happen to him and doesn't let it become a trend. So I don't think it's going to become a trend.

And I, you know, listen, Moorakawa is obviously one of the most talented players on the PGA tour. He's really, really, really fun to watch. Having said that, that was pretty awesome. You kind of watch sports because you don't know what's gonna happen. You want to be surprised and man was I surprised.

Holy cow. That was a captivating tournament. I would co-sign that. I think we're watching more of how it grow up right before our eyes. I think about like a kid hitting his head on the diving board a little bit, like, is it ever gonna be the same? Like, will he swing as free? Can I actually? Have you done this before? That's such a specific

example. Yeah. Like I was your fearless has a little kid. And you know, as a young buck on the PGA tour, I feel like a lot of these guys are fearless. That's, I think it was the the biggest, you know, collapse in PGA tour history, right? Like seven shots. Is that, is that, is that stat correct? There was a lot of stats being thrown around. Bobby Crookshank was mentioned at one point. They were throwing around all kinds of different stuff there. I couldn't really keep track of, I, I think seven shots lead leads. I've been blown before. I don't know about that late in the game. And it, it also very confusing, like I was saying,

like he destroyed people on the biggest possible pressure stages. Like he, you know, he wasn't kind of out in front and running for a long, long period of time at the PGA championship, but went out and won a PGA championship in his rookie year. Goes on, just plays incredible, incredible golf down the entire final 36 holes really, at World St. George's to win an open championship. He murdered folks at many different workday events that he's

won. I can't even can we keep track of how many workday events he's won at this point. So it's just weird to kind of go and reverse on a course that's all gas no break to see a like a straight up choke. Like let's not let's not like sugarcoat this like that is really hard to do to make that many. He's the only player in the field all week to make three bogies in a row at any point. And it like is just a total gas pedal golf course. But I was kind of getting a little bit of flashbacks to the old course and the open championship this past year. Roy did not choke in this in this way.

But how this everything changes when you have to stay on the gas, but you have to keep making birdies is a very different way of closing out a golf tournament than just like I can go on cruise control, make a bunch of bars and finish because Ron birdies 14, Eagles 15, right as things start to move very quickly from more a cow and yeah, it was just a weird sequence of events and it was very much like a, they were so much talk about his change putting and change chipping in the earlier parts of this week. And by all means, he was leading the field

and putting going into today. But it just sneaking up on in there, it's not like those things are gone forever. And it's not like a quick fix in the off season, it's going to address these things forever and you're all figured out. Everything comes down to how you handle how these things hold up in Sunday all figured out. Everything comes down to how you handle

how these things hold up in Sunday pressure and like straight up that shipping did not hold up under the pressure on that Sunday. He hits shots that we were hitting out there on the golf course this past Saturday, Neil. I would agree. You're taking a page out of Zinger's book pressure. It with with does it come down to pressure Sunday when you can't spit brother come on now that was Zinger's like truly his opus there. I think he's been waiting his whole television career for a collapse like that. But I agree with everything you said, Solid, that's kind of sums it up. I just wonder if there's, you know, they showed some flashbacks to the hero, which I don't think is on,

you know, par with this tournament, but you hate to see a trend developing, right? Scar tissue, a little bit of doubt creeps in. That's where I'm going with the diving board reference, Dege. Like, I don't know, man, do I really want to throw these gainers anymore? I don't know if it's worth it. Uh, so I hope that's not the case. Real quick, I want to say more. Cal had did do an interview afterwards and he was asked specifically about the hero.

And he said, you made a great point of like that day, I didn't have it. Like I, from the start, I did not have it. And today I felt good and he's kind of still trying to process what exactly just went wrong. And so I, in his mind, his quick reaction was like, these are two very different situations. And yeah, I just wanted to note that, D.J. were gonna say.

I was gonna say a couple things. One, you know, I think it's a fine metaphor. I really just want to hear your story with the diving board. That's kind of where I'm going. Maybe we can do that on the back end of the show that's he's well, for the people around. And yeah, second, I think, you know, you talked about the all that we hear all week is, oh my God, he's revamped his, his chipping, he's revamped his putting. And I know Zinger turn gets turned into a meme a little bit with the, with the pressure stuff,

but obviously he's not wrong in that anytime you make a change like that, like that is where it's going to get heightened and that's where it's going to, you know, not show up in your body, it's just not going to not going to react in quite the right way when you get under that kind of I'm not going to say pressure when you get under that kind of stress, you know, I think we got to look at our guy the short game chef. He got a lot of plotts throughout the week. I'm sure you got a lot of new Instagram followers, Parker McLaughlin, of course. We're talking about former, former PJ tour player now turned kind of like Instagram short game tips guy and also kind of like short game whisperer to the stars.

It looks like, you know, the chef looks like maybe he was getting flooded with open tickets there at the end of the round. Just things when you get behind on one one seating kneel thing start to move really, really quickly. It's hard to hard to catch up, you know. Yeah. And it changed a little bit too. Once you started, you know, once you hit on that bunker on 14, you could see him start pressing. And this I will say is the rare instance where the NLU podcast is going to take you for some real on the ground analysis. Neil, take me to that bunker on 14. What's that? What's that feel like down there? Well, it seems like everybody from my, you know, my close personal friend, Jordan's

spieth to today's runner up catches that lip barely catches that lip of that bunker. And it rolls back and you got about five yards there. And it's a 40 to 50 yard bunker shot. And all you're thinking about is that false front right in front of the green, because you think, oh, I got all kinds of room back there. So let me just take a big hack at it, trying to put a ton of spin on it. Well, guess what?

You catch it a little clean, folks, just a little clean. Luckily, there's a carpet back there, all right? And so you know, you know you have that backboard where it will spin off that carpet path and come back into play. Unfortunately, Colin came up just short of that, but then the chip from there is, you know, that's not easy either. So get it down, you're getting up and down from behind the greenest tough.

So that was God that warmed my heart. I was like, oh my God, this is the exact same shot I had. And he played it the same way. Pros are just like us guys. If you're a podcast, Listerin, don't know what the hell we're talking about, we have released a video on our YouTube channel this past week where Neil and I played an all shot match with myself and JT versus Jordan, speed and Neil and Neil bladed it out of that bunker and backs up on it off a

car path. And it was not the most ridiculous shot that we saw on that hole. And I would like to say wasn't a blade. It was just I caught it clean. Even speed said that is saw in that hole. And I would like to say wasn't a blade, it was just, I caught it clean. Even Speed said that is like, do that. That's you were right on the edge with that shot because exactly what you had it, you had to put a ton of spin on that. Just caught a little clean. It's a tough shot.

I think you might have been trying to build you up for that T-shot on 15. And that's neither getting there. Sure. I was going to say that, you know, a lot of this gets thrown around with golf where, you know, they're just like us, they're out there playing the same game. They're using the same equipment. They're playing the same teas. I can totally relate to this. And obviously, we've talked on this show a million times about how that's not always the case, right? You can't really put yourself in the minds of what they're going through. Short game struggles, you absolutely

can. And seeing that shot that more cowl hit on 15 is like, brother, I know what that feels like. I have been there hitting that bunker shot on 14. Dude, I have been there. I know what that's like. And I think that's where I'm not, I'm not trying to be like a sadist, you know, just like really celebrating this, this collapse.

It's more just like, man, that is, that's why you watch to try to relate to somebody in some way like that. And that was, that was very, very, very relatable stuff with the, with the chipping there. Which it's worth pointing out. I mean, Capulue, like I said, is sorry, Capulue, I keep slipping up, I'm sorry, Pooch, but it is all gas and like it is birdie, birdie, birdie, but at the same time, the short game

grain shots are very real. And something about the pacing of this tournament, I think feel like NBC golf channel does such a great job of like setting up the shots on this golf course. And it's like my favorite feature of Kapalua is that this whole tournament is full of non-stock golf shots, right? So dude, like that shot that he's hitting from the bottom of that hill on 15 when it's dead into the grain. All you got to do is get it up on that green. That's all he's thinking about for the best players in the world that is still that contact is

still extremely important, right? And they were all over covering that for the best players in the world, the perfect contact out of that bunker on a 40 yard bunker shot, whatever that is on 14 is integral, right? So it was like, you couldn't look away at any of them. Then anybody goes long on 14 after played another bunker. That chip coming back that was crazy fast. You could tell he didn't want to put anything extra on it that was going to make it run all the way off the front of that green. And the hardest, the only harder chip than that one on 15 is the second time you got to do it. And you know that one's getting sent long. And you're now you're worried about

your contact. And I do want to go back to gosh was it Saturday night on the 18th hole when he absolutely Flubbed a chip on 18 from greenside on 18 that might have been Friday I don't remember which day that was but I wonder if that like rattled his confidence a little bit and that just bled all the way It's it today and like as soon as that goes I'm sorry. You're gonna have to hit like three or four more of those shots during the course of that day. It might be a 60 yard pitch. Might be some kind of funky little shot, but that's what Kapilu does. And it's not just like stock golf shots coming in. And man, that was just theater.

I just don't think I've ever seen God. I've never seen anything like that. Where just 60 was a 66 67. Straight holes without a bogey like boring cruise control. Like, ah, this guy's going to win seven times this year. He cannot miss to just like fire and brimstone. That's, yeah, whiplash stuff. Unbelievable. The only thing the last time I felt the way I did was when speed hit it. Yes. Yeah. 100% Because that same thing, he was like on fire for three and a half days.

And then he said, I think we're collapsing, bud. Like I'm surprised we didn't get a little, little chatter with the caddy there from Colin. I mean, that's the last time I felt like, dude, I like, I kind of wanted this to be a match, but I didn't want to see him like, totally blow it. Like that was hard, that was hard to watch a little bit, you know, it was like, damn, he's really struggling. Like he can't make contact with these chips. It's this is tough. I will say I think it, listen, we're going to watch a lot of golf in 2023.

No, that's, there's no secret about that. I'm glad this didn't happen in a major. And this is no slight to Coppola. It's a, you know, it's a designated event. I know TC's all over us for not saying elevated event. He wants to make sure, where you can prefer the preferred nomenclature that are overlords at the PGA tour, prefer.

I'm glad it didn't happen in a major and I'm glad it happened in an event like this because I think it just makes, I'm sure he would disagree right now, but I think it just makes Kalamor how infinitely more interesting to watch going forward. I think you gotta have little things like this that you can, you know, little context like this that you can, you can build onto these guys.

Because otherwise it just, it feels like you're watching the same player a lot of the time. And I know Moorakawa is a better iron player than a lot of people and, you know, but he's still when you're kind of like a casual fan or even if you're a hardcore fan, like, they just bleed together so, so much that it as much as it sucks for him and it is going to become a thing and people are going to talk about it and people are going to ask him about it. I think it's kind of, I think it's kind of interesting, you know, to, to have that in the back of your mind every time he gets up now. And listen, it's probably worth mentioning the winner of this golf tournament, you know,

as we retry whatever minute mark of the show that we are, John Rom won the tournament and shot a 63 today, 10 under par after bogeying the first hole. He played incredible, Frickid Golf. He went birdie, birdie, birdie on 12, 13, 14, then Eagles 15 after hitting just a mammoth drive. I don't know if he hit eight iron into that green, hit an awesome shot to the ridge in the middle of the green, fed it in there, rolled in the eagle putt and then gets up and down on the 18th hole to make birdie to win the cuff turn.

I just like, again, I come back to the more cow did all of this. He had a six shot lead as he made the turn, didn't have a penalty shot on the back nine and had no hope of winning when he played the 18th hole. None. I mean, sure, they could have made the Albatross, but they said there's never been an Albatross a couple of, he had no penalty shots and had no chance to win the golf tournament when he reached the ATT. It was just, just sick. It's very self-inflicted is what you, I think, would call that. Very relatable, too, as you were saying earlier, Dege.

I do want to say something about the golf course that I noticed. I was out there on Thursday and I look forward to this event every year and I think it is maybe like the inverse of most tournaments. It's perfect for TV. And because of the vistas and the elevated cameras perched up there, it's just like unbelievable views. The drone

work this week was awesome. But guys in person, really tough place to watch golf on the ground. Okay, really, really difficult. There are not many groups coming through. They're all taking their sweet freaking time, getting down the mountain. My wife and I walked up 18 just buckets of sweat, get to 17 green, got about halfway up 17 is like I think I'm good. You know, let's watch them hit this second shot down to the green. The other thing is there's not, I think behind 13 green, maybe you can watch two holes at once, but that's it. Every other hole is on its own, and it's almost like a movie set a little bit. So it made me appreciate this telecast, even more so now that I've been there on site.

Now the vibe and the experience and Hawaii, like all of that is like 12 of 10. It's just like when it gets down to like actual tournament golf on Thursday, I was like, man, I'm good. I think we can, I think we can have in the car and go back to the beach. There is no, this is a comment for a very small audience of people who have been to this tournament are going to go to this tournament, but there is no more deflating feeling in the world of golf than getting through I think like the fifth green if you're following a group through the fifth green and then you see the players all of a sudden walk towards SUVs, you're like, wait, where are they? Hold on, where are they going? They're getting

in cars. And then they take off in cars and you realize that you have like a 25 minute walk to the next T box in front of you where you have to go all the way down and around and up the mountain all the way back down to the 60. It's tough, but yes, I, like a movie set is, is very well said. I feel you. And then there's another one. There's another one between seven green and, or actually, it's eight T and eight green. They get in cars again. And then to get from nine to 10 is a solid 20 to 25 minute walk to like under a tunnel through the Jurassic Park, you know, jungle. And then out to the complete other side of the golf course. I mean, the land, the course from the air is like the most striking thing of all time.

So now I feel like so complete that I've been there. I'm like, cool. You know what? Can't wait to watch it on TV every year. I will be, it's appointment viewing, but it's viewing for me. That's what I learned. I think it's a very, I want to go back and do exactly what we did. Be there for the early part of the week and do a bunch of stuff around the tournament

and go home and watch it on television. Because it really is that good to watch on TV. And if we can, I don't know if we don't do full hamster damn now, but they added layers to the telecast this year. The drones were awesome. They just added a whole like, I know everyone's like, oh, they just no figured out drones. Like doing drones on live broadcasts with around golf

being played is not that easy. Like we know how to do drone shots where we could edit it into a video, but doing it live is is a whole different animal. They had balls. Drones following balls rolling down the fairway. It just it was the best sense of place I've ever gotten. Maybe it helped coincide with first time I've ever seen the golf course was this past weekend and now I do feel like I know it, but man, they take you there and that's a, that's a rolping thing too. Rolf is just such a, you know, I have a different

perspective kind of on his perspective on Hawaii. I haven't spent some time with him out there and, and kind of had, we had him on the podcast this past week if you haven't listened and understanding that the role he has within Hawaii and the tourism and his being there for 40 years and I had an Uber ride to the airport, an hour Uber ride to the airport from Kapalua

and then Uber, like five minutes in the ride, the Uber driver's like, do you know Mark Rolfing but chance? It's like, everyone on that island knows him and I don't know, they do such a good job of just bringing that one to life. And it's the rare tour event that might be more fun to watch like Thursday through Saturday than Sunday even is. It's just like you flip it on and you want to see the scenes that the, the, usually the tournament like result is kind of takes a back seat to just like do just kind

of give me some golf porn to watch on TV for a little while. I want to jump in here. I see Sam's comment on the on the livestream here about the century headquarters in Wisconsin. Does any, any HQ get more run than Steven's point in Wisconsin throughout the course of the season? Because it's just 30 times a broadcast. It's unbelievable. They're talking about Steven's point. Neil, do we need live look-ins at any other HQs on the PGA tour? I was trying to put together a little list. Maybe the global home. That's always good. But I don't know if it's a live looking like that. I also, central chairman was getting a lot of burn up in the booth too. Multiple, multiple interviews. I think that's what happens when you sign up through what 2035 or whatever.

I think I think they're, I also think it has something to do with it being the first event of the year. And it's like, Oh, yeah, you know, it's, it's really far from PGA Torage Q. It just seems like it's a little bit more like, yeah, yeah, let's get off to a good start. Everyone's in a good mood and then as a year goes on because they're not going to drive down a yellow at us here. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I think the other thing though about the telecast versus the like watching it in person is solid.

You were saying like watching the balls roll. Like I watched five or six T shots from 18 T, which was, you know, like awesome. Unbelievable view. It's hard to be in a bad mood up on that t-box. But you can't see the way the balls reacting, like when they're hitting those fades into the hill and then they're going 93 yards down to the flat spot. So that's where this, again, this is one of those few events where it's just the broadcast really does add something to it. Now that said, I would also say one of the most memorable courses I've ever played. And when we start to talk about

those courses that are in that like four, five, six hundred dollar around range, this is one of the few where I'm like, that was worth it. You know what I mean? Like that, that's like, okay, you know what? Compared to like, sawgrass, I'm I'm like, those views do something for you. I think that one's going to be in the memory bank for a long time. So really, really fun golf course, you know, the epic views is tough to beat. A fun one too, like you immediately want to go play the whole again. After you've seen it, like you can get like a set teen off on seven, you hit that t-shirt, I didn't, but it was like that fairway is way wider than even you can see right and then soon as you drive up and see it you're like oh my god I would absolutely send one here if I had all this information and there's so many of you know

different spots like I've I didn't own this I would have played it this way I would have done that and you just want to you want to keep going mountain golf is not my favorite style of golf but that golf course was exactly what you said it was so worth it for the views the styles of shots it's just I don't, we were looking for changes to pace on the PGA tour schedule. And this is one of them. I know some people don't like the low scores out there, but it's like number five. Such a sad day. It's a horrible take. Number five is a par four. Anyways, it's like an easy par four. It's not even a difficult par four. And you know, the par fives are all reachable. And there's not a ton of it's driver wedge almost everywhere. It's like driving pitch golf course but man it

what I have way more appreciation for now is watching like JT and speed like we're walking with them. We're going through shots with them and they are processing information in a totally different way than I am like looking at the whole through course knowledge and just like understanding of how balls bounce out there, how much the elevation is going to change. What, you know, you, I think back to the sixth home we were playing, you know, Jordan kind of tells you, talks you into where to hit a certain pitch, where to land it, what kind of speed to be hitting it at and as soon as you hit it, again, you're playing it for the first time, you don't know.

You hit it and you probably didn't know if it was too hard and as soon as you made contact, Jordan's like, no, too hard. And it's going to go past this mound and it's going to run for 20 seconds and go all the way to the corner of the green. But like to see all that on display, I have more appreciation for that for that course than how they're able to pick it apart and and shoot whatever. More college shoots, 25 under. We spend the first half of this podcast ripping on the whole time. It's crazy. I think it speaks to you, I mean, Jordan said this a lot. He said this the last like five, six years he's been out there, but he's made the Augusta comp a lot with all the uneven lies and the way you got to use the ground and all of those things.

I think that kind of ends up speaking to the leaderboard too, right? Like, you don't, it ends up being pretty much horses only. I mean, I know not everybody is the biggest names, but the biggest names tend to separate out there. And I think a lot of that, as you guys probably know now, after playing it has to do with a lot of the creativity, a lot of those uneven lies, a lot of judging runouts, a lot of like the almost like intangibles. It's very much not track man golf out there.

And a lot of the a lot of the PJ tour courses kind of kind of can be especially in that mid-summer mid-summer range. So that's just another thing I always appreciate about it. I know I'm kind of I'm kind of rubber necking and whipping all over the place. But do we need to talk more about more kawa and just like a lot of it's funny. I saw a tweet from poor Ath about how fast the the narrative can change on on people depending on what happens over a stretch of it's funny, I saw a tweet from poor Ath about how fast the narrative can change on people depending on what happens over a stretch of four or five holes, which I think is very true. But what are your guys' kind of macro thoughts on Morakawa?

I mean, I know it's interesting to have him and Rom up there today because it feels like they had kind of similar seasons last year, right? Like not bad. They both played kind of good, but didn't really get much out of it. I'm curious kind of what you guys feel on Moorakawa now and where you think he'll be going forward. Believe it or not, I think this week is going to be a great thing for him. It was a nice reminder of what his A-game looks like and that he is a force. And you know, in golf, he has high variability weeks, which is usually very, very, very rewarding when it comes to golf. And like we've, we've

documented, he's won some big ass tournaments. A little bit of, you know, forgot about Dr. Lotion. Did you, did you see the strokes game thing that like his strokes gained 2022 and 2021 are exactly the same and yeah, but make I've been saying that forever. You don't call me. Nobody wants your strokes game. No, no, no, no, no, you get that out of here. No, you just, no, no, no, no, you just rely on it too heavily. I obviously get it. I know that, you know, sometimes we crack one more of these

before we get, we get it. Look at it. Look at who's bringing up strokes game in the conversation. What's the whole? I'm not totally dismissive of it. It's just, you know, it's a tool in the toolbox. And I think that's very interesting.

It's all right. As I've mentioned many times, the strokes, it's a tool in the toolbox. And I think that's very interesting. It's all right, continue. Please. As I've mentioned many times, the strokes gains about the same, but just didn't have the same variability spikes, where it's like, all right, dude, seeing the variability spike again, I know that did not end very well, but that was a really, really freaking good golf tournament.

It's gonna take him a while to realize all of that. And I don't know. And also just think, looking at this golf course, I don't think it's like, oh, that means this guy's going to have a huge year. Because again, the test and the shots are just so different, so freaking different than the majority of what they're going to have. But I think it, you know, we can move very quickly in this sport.

I'm like the most guilty of it. Like if, you know, if you don't win for like six months, people can kind of forget about you. Like how much are we kind of like just, you know, lukewarm on Scotty Sheffler right now after what he did around this time of year last year? It's just kind of like what have you done for me lately at all times? So a good refresher on Moracow and a reminder that he is an enormous talent that has already stacked some outrageous wins.

I put that set up earlier. What he's done through 76 starts looks very similar to speed. It's a different age bracket. I guess speed was 21 when he was made a 76 start and Morca was 25 now, but it's just very much worth noting that he's stacked a lot of tour wins, one, two majors, and just clearly has a different level that he can get to, which I'm buying, I'm buying Morca right now. Dej, I have no issue with Morcawa. I'm very, very impressed with his golf game.

I think he's, you know, the iron play, the T-ball, like, it just look, it all looks so professional. And I think that's a little bit of the issue I have is that he's almost too professional. And he doesn't make me feel much like I had no issue when he was up by five strokes. I think on 10 or 11, I was actively rooting against him. Like, ah, come on, make this, you know, there's just a bit, it's, it's, it's a bit boring. It's so good that it's boring sometimes, which is not a fault. I don't want that, it almost sounds, it's critical because I'm not rooting for him, but it's not, it's almost like a backhanded compliment a little bit.

It's like he makes it look so easy and so polished that it just makes me kind of just tune out. That's honestly that's exactly where I'm at. It could not be anything less against him. It's just, hey, some people don't like the Yankees, man. Some people don't like Stanford. Some people don't like Michigan. That's just how it is.

It's just not quite for me. And I think honestly watching know, honestly, like, watching him go through a couple of these things, like the quote gets brought up all the time now, but the, the Patrick Harrington, you know, ignorance versus experience kind of thing. It's, I think he just becomes a much more interesting player as this stuff happens.

And, Sal, I'm kind of with you. I know this sounds like kind of a cliche, but I think it might end up being kind of a positive because he's so buttoned up in every other facet. Like, I don't think he just, all of a sudden, stops being buttoned up. Like, I think he's gonna be the kind of guy who is buttoned up and reacts to this as such.

And I think like you look at the major venues this year. I mean, I've already made all the Augusta comps to Kapalua. I mean, I think that is one where he seemingly should play really, really well. But LACC to like firm, fast iron players golf course like that seems like it would be a really good spot for him. So I don't know. There are a lot of a lot of good players out there, but he obviously when he's all clicking all the way, it seems like he's he's kind of

able to separate himself, especially if any of that putting stuff does stick around, which I'm all in on, you know, TC calls it the stranger, just continually searching for new feels. And it's clear he had that again this week. I think Garrett Morrison tweeted something like all the screenshots over the last like four years of all the different times that people have written. Like, you're never gonna believe this putting field

that Cold War Kala has. I think that that's like maybe the most relatable part of his game to me. It's just like, oh, dude, I found it. I'm never gonna miss another one after this. And you know, that lasts for a couple of weeks and then we're back in the middle of it. But it lasts for 68 holes.

Yeah, exactly. It's just still pretty good. You make a lot of money. Yeah, a lot longer than it lasts for me. That's for sure. Which like, it wasn't really, he missed a couple of putts coming in, but it was not as putting that let him down. Like I, what I saw out of his putting looked really good.

It was putts pouring in the center of the hole, which yeah, we have seen in spurts, but if he's going to not saw anymore and he has, you know, worked on a blah, blah, blah and has formed that is going to he's second and strokes game putting overall for the week. Like it's not as putting that out. It really was the chipping, you know, and some untimely miscreant. So to your overall question, how we feel on Morakawa and like what we're rooting for and what we're, you know, watching and taking that all that in, I kind of have the realization this week or the thought of like, dude, I believe in like the talent the PGA tour has retained. I like what they've done with the designated events

and these guys playing together more often. I don't think the biggest risk is just feeling like a lot of these dudes are relatively interchangeable when it comes down to emotional connection with them. I like both ROM and Callin' Morekawa. We've spent time with both of them. They've both been on the podcast. We're supposed to have ROM on very soon.

I don't know if that's gonna happen after a victory, but it doesn't make me feel anything necessarily emotionally when one of those guys wins. Whereas, I think we all feel very different. Obviously, when Rory does something or sp, or JT or something like that, and that's where even Bryson makes you feel something when he's in contention Brooks as well. And that's maybe like the biggest risk they run is just kind of too many nice guys, which is the weirdest they'd be complaining about. But that's kind of, I think we're gonna have a lot of these conversations like, all right,

they under one this week, all right, can't lay one this week. What does it all mean? And what's the really the reactions, kind of something that we get or you're gonna struggle to reconcile? I need to show you the same thing. Well, I gotta give you a shout out.

There's a take that you sent to the slack earlier that Connors very nervous, which one you're gonna share some John Legend vibes and if you don't want to stand behind it I'm gonna stand behind it because I think that is spot on catchy music Real sharp listen man when he gets to his element. There's there's nobody better for the moment But like you get a big award show John John Legends out like, man, who better than John Legend to be a frontman for commercials? Yeah. Right?

A lot of, a lot of good stuff going on. Does the music make me feel much? Not really. Uh, that's kind of where I'm at. It even columns post-round presser said all the right things. I was like, man, I, you know, I appreciate that he's, that he's doing the press conference, but I'm not feeling a lot of like, he's saying all the right things, but I'm not feeling, I'm not feeling much. That's, that's where I'm, that's where I'm at right now, which is where I think there needs to be a little,

you know, a little chip and a little adversity and a little kind of overcoming some of that stuff, which I think what has turned me off a little bit in the last like year or so is even like the, you know, the weird, I forget it was it with Todd Lewis or who is it with the weird kind of disconnect about Collins year and some of the quote, emelman, emelman, yes. It's kind of some of the weird punch and back on stuff. It's just, it's kind of, it's just a little strange. Whereas I would say, ROM has gone way up in my book on just, you know, being super, super thoughtful in press conferences and being super insightful on a lot of different things.

And he's clearly like a very kind of worldly, interesting, pretty switched on guy. And I think some of that carried a little bit of weight for me today when I'm looking at him trying to charge up the board. But it's pretty negligible. Different. I'm with you, Sally. I got to hit Scott Schaefer here. Sounds like Neil doesn't love his curves and imperfections. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's Scott on that one. That's good. If you can't tell from watching this and seeing what

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good, good attire for planes. I wore the joggers yesterday too, Neil. It's good, good attire for planes. I wore the joggers yesterday too, Neil. It's good stuff. Love the joggers. So let's, let's kind of debrief on this first designated event on the PGA tour schedule. I'm wondering what your guys reaction to it, how it was handled by the tour, how it was, you know, kind of publicized and promoted. What is, I'm sorry, Sally. We're just laughing.

I think DJ is laughing at the same comment I'm laughing at. Well, you got to share it that for the podcast listeners. No, not that one, Sally. We're just like, I think DJ's laughing at the same comment I'm laughing at. Well, you got to share it there for the podcast listeners. No, not that one, Cody. The next one from Harris. Yeah, Harris. Harris has a good one. DJ and Neil got the only fans cameras. Sally's got the, got the ebob's world camera. Emo. I was struggling.

Oh, man, as someone who spent a lot of time on ebob's world hand up, DH me to Sorry, my wife, my chocolate everything looks great on my end. I don't understand. I don't know, man That's not bad, but that that's that's man the comments don't usually derail be quite that bad Harris well done That's that's good stuff solid. Please continue continue No, I last words no, I don't know. Fuck you guys. I don't know what'll play your games. Let's your reaction to the first designated event. Did it accomplish its job?

Did it, you know, or does it make you more excited for the future of these? What? It felt like this should have been kind of a bigger deal than it ended up being, I think. I will. So I'll jump in first and say this tournament has always felt a little elevated designated special just due to the fact that it's all the winners from last year. And so there's always a little bit of me thinking like, oh, yeah, why is JJ spawn here? Oh, that's right.

He won last year. So I think that's always a fun wrinkle to this tournament, which is always set at the part. So I don't know if it's the best test for whether these designated events are going to be a big deal or not. So I know that's a bit of a non-answer, but I felt like in the past most of the top players were playing at this event anyway, so it doesn't feel a lot different than it did last year, whereas there may be some other events in the near future that will feel very different.

But I think that kind of speaks a little bit to what I was hoping for slash predicting slash, you know, just kind of like crossing my fingers for was that, you know, the whole the biggest pushback to a lot of the designated stuff, I'm, I think I'm just going to say elevated designated is fucking stupid. The biggest pushback I think that we saw to those was that all these are just going to feel like WGCs and they're going to feel super soulless. And that's not the case when you're going somewhere that already has history. Like the problem with WGCs was that they were trying to pull it out of nowhere and they were trying to say like, look how shiny this is, care

about this. I know this is brand new and all we're doing it, you know, it's just for marketing purposes but like you're too stupid to realize that. So just love it. And everyone's like, no, I know this is brand new and all we're doing, you know, it's just for marketing purposes, but like you're too stupid to realize that, so just love it. And everyone's like, no, I actually am not. And this is kind of dumb. Like why would I care about this? And the travelers and Bay Hill. And like none of this means anything

because there's no context to anything. Whereas I feel like, you know, Sally, you said it earlier, I think in the podcast, and I think we've said it the last couple of months, is like this year, it just felt like Kapalua that you know and love only like a little bit better. And I hope that Bay Hill feels the same way. It's Bay Hill. You know the golf course, you know the history. It's just a little bit better. You know, Memorial, that's just a little bit better. And I think where they can really

expand on that is going to a place like Heritage, right? Where it's like, hey, here's an event that's been on the PJ tour for a really long time. What if you got to see all your favorite players there? And remember, you know, when Heritage was one of the first events after COVID and they had like, what was it? Like 19 of the top 20 in the world or something crazy when everybody was just like dying to play a tournament. That was fucking awesome. Right. It did. That was that colonial. Well, colonial too. Colonial did that as well, but heritage did the same thing when when Bryson was playing there and playing really well.

And I think web won that year, maybe when web just like Brandon hid and blew everybody away, but it answered by one. Yeah. Yeah, but it was that was an awesome thing for that tournament, right? And I hope that that's kind of what all of these end up feeling like. And I think they have a chance to share the love in a cool way where they're elevating like the normal ones, like, you know, Riviera and Bay Hill and Memorial and these ones that like kind of slowly become like the tent pole pinnacles of the PJ tour. But then you can you can sprinkle in every couple

years like, okay, now it's travelers, now it's heritage, now it's, you know, colonial, now it's, I guess Houston's going away. But you know what I mean? Like, it's the same feel. It just makes the tournaments a little bit better, which I think is kind of what you're saying about this week, Neil, which hopefully that, I don't think that's an outlier, actually. I think that actually is hopefully what it will feel like going forward. Maybe, maybe that's why I've liked this tournament for so long. Is it already, to me, it already felt elevated, but in an authentic way.

And what you said about the WGC's, I co-signed 100%. I think that's exactly right. There's no fake juice with this event. It's like everybody earned their way here. It's in an unbelievable location that I could, like, put on in the background while I work. It's just like you never get sick of the views. And then the golf course just produces like exciting golf.

So it's, it's, you know, it stacks up year over year for me. And now having said all that, it sucked that Roy wasn't there. Yes. That was disappointing. I understand why he's not there, but it does suck because it's, you know, like, Hey, he's reading the band, like, hey, he's leading the band, like, hey, come on, rally around the flag boys and then, okay, I'll see you guys at, you know, farmers, which, or is it farmers or where's he going to play first? Waste Management will be his, his first PGA tour event.

But I think it is, it's just worth noting every time we have this conversation this year, is that 2023 is a one-of-one situation. This is an outlier year. This is a transition year. They're going to rewrite the whole script on all of this for 2024. There's going to be a lot more changes for 2024. What they've come up with for this year is that what you can, you know, all the top players need to play every event with one exception. You get one skip basically. You can add some flexibility to it and Rory chose to use his one skip for this event. I was kind of surprised by that.

I think with him kind of being out in front of leading this thing. And, you know, kind of, I guess I just didn't think that all the way through. I just thought there's no way he would skip that first one. I think it's also worth noting. It makes a lot of sense worth for skipping, right? If you're, especially he's gonna go over and play Dubai

to kind of kick off his season, that's a strain and kind of gives him a little extra of an off season. And then also a thought I had realizing was like, now every tournament knows Roy's coming. Like he's done his skip. Like the rest of them are all lined up and ready to go. Now, do I wish he was out there playing and do I wish he wouldn't use his one skip at

all? I do. I just don't think he loves that golf course. It's not, you know, it's not Maui Vibes don't necessarily translate for everyone, right? It just didn't seem like he was that interested in this one. If I'm looking at the whole calendar, this one makes the most sense to skip. And we're kind of fortunate that only him and Lauri were the only ones that really skipped this one, I think, but in a Ryder Cup year as well, where guys need to go over to Europe

and play a certain amount, I forget how many four events or whatever it is for non-co-sanctioned events or whatever it is in Europe. In this year, it makes a little bit of sense. Is this going to happen next year? I do not think so. I don't think there's going to be any flexibility beyond injuries and emergencies for guys to skip any events. So the effect is going to be, is pretty minimal, I think, like it's still just, you know, there'll be events where we just don't even notice who is the one that skipped this week. And it's just when you have that many of the best, it just doesn't greatly diminish it. Roy, Roy, not being there diminishes any tournament, but like when Shaffler skips one, when Moira, Kaw, a skips one, it's not going to, I honestly, it might take you until Sunday to notice for a lot of viewers.

Cody, I agree with everything that you just said. He followed the rules. Everything you get one skip. But if he wants to be that guy, if he wants to stand up and carry that banner and say, here I am, follow me. This is the new way that we're going to do it. You got to show up on day one. You can't be that guy who doesn't charge him a bride. Let's go. You can't do it. I'm sorry. I understand the reason I understand the justification. I understand a long season. He also used those same talking points to convince everyone else to get on his bandwagon. You got to be the guy that's their day one. You have to. But I don't think everyone got on the bandwagon

is the thing. It's like the agreement, which I do not think Rory was pushing for was that everyone gets one skip, right? I don't think that's what he would have, he was riding for in any way. I think that was a compromise made. And so if that, if everyone's gonna get out of that compromise, he should be able to benefit from it as well.

Like I, again, we're getting, we're trying to get all of these like super, super individualistic dudes to agree on all of these things. And I, I don't, like, that's what they've all agreed on for this year. So I wouldn't want to hold him to like, everyone else is going to get to skip one and you don't. Like I just doesn't quite see it. Quite seem fair if that, if that's the case. Cody, I agree with you. You got me like sitting up in my chair that got me super jacked up. Lead from the front. Leaders eat last. Like sign me up for all the leadership cliches. That said, and I agree

with all that. And I'm disappointed that Roy wasn't there. But I don't think anyone's going to remember this next week or the week after because it's going to show up. And it's going to be like balls to the wall for the rest of the year for him. So I think he's doing his goals for the year. He's probably got some resolutions trying to get off to a hot start. I get it. It's just a bummer for golf fans. That's all. When we were filming the the spieth in JT video, I was riding around in the car with bones, name drop. I was kind of picking his brain a little bit about about it and I don't think he would mind me sharing this, but his perspective on it was

like, hey man, there's a big difference between playing and winning. And what happens when you win is you're responsible for a lot, man. And that is like it's very, very taxing to go to all these places and play super, super well. And Roy's playing super, super well right now to the point where like he kind of can pick his spots and he kind of can be judicious about what he's doing because he knows when he shows up to an event, it's kind of more of an obligation than it is for a lot of other guys, both from a media standpoint and also from a like, he's probably going to be in the hunt all four days. He's probably going to be in the hunt all four days. He's probably gonna be doing media after all four rounds. He's probably gonna be, you know,

grinding and competition like that. That's a, that's a very real thing and I thought that was kind of an interesting, interesting perspective, I guess, that I hadn't really thought about. Yeah, again, it's just, it's a one-of-one year. I'm gonna keep saying that and it's, I think it's kind of, the miraculous thing in this is how many, how much things have changed from one year. I'm gonna keep saying that. And I think it's kind of the miraculous thing in this is how much things have changed from one year to the next.

And then these guys got on board and are gonna play together as much as they will. And yeah, there's some, so a lot of stuff to unpack about 2024, which we can probably do at a later time. But again, I think it's just like, I don't remember Hicks and Azinger being at Kapalua. Like it felt like a, the NBC brought their A game for this one.

And it's going to feel, I think this past week is going to feel drastically different than Sony open, right? And it's, uh, we're going to start to feel the effects of what is a real PGA Tour event. And what is like the B level PGA Tour event, which is a great thing for fans. The less blurry those lines get, the more it's like, dude, I just don't really like have to tune in this week. If I'm a golf sicko and I want to see who is making the leap up to the next level, the next, you know, who Chad Raimi is going to

have changed his career this week by winning Sony, like that, you can be that fan, but also it's like, hey, I only want to tune in these weeks. It also makes it ton of sense. So. Which, like you said, I think it's a good thing. Like, I absolutely love the Sony and I can't wait to like you said, I think is a good thing. Like I absolutely love the Sony and I can't wait to tune in, but I think where we get into trouble is trying

to trick everybody into thinking that all these things are equal. And so I was, I don't know if you guys want to do TV stuff now, but I thought NBC was phenomenal. Cody, what do you got? I don't know if you covered it because I was trying to do notes on the back end. I apologize for the people viewing for some reason our slides actually cannot upload. So I'm trying to screen share them anyway. The whole I know we started with it, but you can't the tour just can't flip what they're calling something at the bottom and not give a justification for why. So why did we move from elevated to designated outside of the fact that they realize that we can't actually call

something elevated because they all still have to be the same. I don't think there is anything outside of that. Like I think that is exactly why they can't do it. They had elevated genesis, memorial, you know, list off Bay Hill, right? The invitational colonial. And so I think there's probably legal ease and contract stuff. Colonial is not elevated, but it was just those three were considered elevated events. It was all confusing as hell, basically, right?

And, but I think that was, that's probably part of it. It's like we promised, we promised Genesis as a partner that their event was elevated two years ago. So now we can't call all these other ones elevated. So you know, it's all just like, that's, that's going to be an issue for the tour is like how do you keep the non-designated sponsors that are still have to pony up the money happy. Dej, I think your idea, like they need to get everybody at the table and say listen, you got to take a long-term look at this and it's going to come around like travelers will get to you in a year or two, you know, John Deer like we're cut we got you guys We're coming for you in four years, right? Like we're going to, we're going to designate some love here. That's not quite how it's going to work though.

So travelers is elevated this year one and two. It's like you're going to sponsor going to have the option, have the option. I told you they would. Do you want a designated, hold hostage for them? You pay a significant amount more. It's 175% higher price or no 275% higher price from what I've gathered to if you want a host a designated event or you can set the kids table and host a regular. And so that's my point though. The kids table is where they're going to hemorrhage sponsors.

That's like I, which is yeah, they have the option to pay, but like what the bottom might fall out on some of those kids table events basically basically, is what I'm getting at. Well, and also think about like what props up a gigantic part of the tour, like what overarching deal touches every event on the PJ tour is FedEx. FedEx. And there's a reason why for a long, long, long time, everything was except the majors was 500 point FedEx cup events. And while they're trying to convince everybody that everything's the same is because like,

that's how they've sold that package. Right. And so once you start saying like, no, no, no, actually Detroit is much different than Riviera, which is what everybody who watches golf understands and operates under the assumption of like, how do you still justify like going to FedEx and saying like, no, no, no, you actually need to pay us an escalator of, you know, times 42 events instead of times 17 events or whatever, you know what I mean?

It's just, it's all these like, it's a true like you don't know how TV contracts work situation where they've already sold all this stuff. So they can't really like go back and just rip it all up and just redo it on the fly because then the whole business could, you know, I assume this is this is all assumptions for me. But like I assume you can't just rip it all up and start over and just say, ah, we'll just build the plane as we're flying it because you're talking about a

fuckload of money and all these deals that are keeping the tour afloat and the deals that are keeping everything kind of, you know, consistent and continuous from week to week. It's just it's so, so, so complicated. And I know that's a very easy answer to say, like, you know, they can't just blow it all up because like things are very complicated. I know that's not how sports fans like to operate. And they're like, I'll just fucking figure it out, man. But like, it just doesn't work like that.

And so I think this is where you see them get in this like semantic whack-a-mole situation of like elevated, designated, please don't leave. You guys are, you're an opposite field event. We just need to keep you in the boat. You guys are this, you guys are that. Like, I think they're literally just trying to figure it out within the framework of all the incredibly complex shit that they have going on.

But it's also worth keeping in mind. Okay, going back to the analogy we used, I think in the preview part of like, the house is on fire, right? So if you have some time to go in and get some things out of the house, what are you gonna do? You're gonna get your kids out of the house, right?

Are you gonna take care of the house? I'm gonna get the technology out of the house, right? I'm gonna take all my most valuable stuff, we're gonna get out of the house. Like my clothes, they burned up in there, right? But I'm going to get some new clothes. Like I can replace that. And that was not the most valuable thing in there.

There might be some churn and some turnover there at the bottom, but to those sponsors at the kids table. Go to roback.com. Good, of course. To the sponsors at the kids table, you were already getting similar fields to this. It's not really getting worse for you. It's not.

It's very similar. You can't just stay that way. You can't exactly write deeds. Because the marketing rep that's signed in your checks is not going to like that. Yeah. And so that's one thing. And two, like not every sponsor is looking to get the same thing out of sponsoring a tour event as like FedEx is or AT&T or Schwab.

The ones that have like the huge media buys as a part of their sponsorship is very different than like John Deere, which is John Deere is like a very hyper local event. And the guy, I don't like pretend to know this world, but like it's a hospitality. It is, you know, the people that are your clients are going to be there. And it's it's eight million bucks to do that, which sounds like a lot of money to all of us. It is a lot of money to all of us, but like for big business, it's not. And for one, the tourist credit, the one thing they are great at is finding people right in that sweet spot to be able to spend what's not a small amount of money to the players

into the tour, but is a small amount of money to these corporations that supports that props up this whole tour. So I just don't think they're that worried about finding like the $8 million sponsors in there because they're just they seem to be able to find them pretty much anywhere. And that's not what props up the whole tour. And it's also just not what the priority is now. Like it's just not like you need the guys that are going to write the $24 million checks now. And I don't know.

If you if you try to cater to the RSM's and all that, like, you're going to lose this battle. And I think they've finally figured that out. I just want to shout out our guy Harris and the chat. He said, solid would take his Bitcoin farming machine. I would, it's the house is on fire. The guy, the guy who said his house is on fire, he'd be able to grab his little TV. Was the guy that was kind of derailing me. It's 55 inches guys. It's big. I think you're I agree with a lot of what you said there. Yes, you have to find, you know, you got to get these designated elevated partners, whatever you want to call them, got to get people to pay the big bucks for these 17 to 20 events. But

if they better watch themselves though, because that eight million dollars, it's it might just be like everyone starts looking around and be like, what the fuck am I doing here? Like, let's just, let's just not do this. You know what I'm saying? Especially as the economy starts to change a little bit, I don't know. It's like, it's like, when you say like, oh, they can find those $8 million partners anywhere. I don't know if they can. That's what I remains to be seen over the next one or two years. I think it's a a massive question mark for me, which is where I think they're just very like obviously running on like a razor's edge. I'm with you, Neil, where they're trying like trying to bring in all this influx of new

money and trying to almost like take an advance on future TV earnings to just keep things going. It's not like they're sitting on some giant pile of money. Because that's the other thing. It's a lot of TV. A lot. Because you don't have 45, 50 weeks of commercial load than that affects the next TV deal. So, and I'm not saying that I'm not trying to say that, like, again, like DJ said,

I have the answer. I'm just kind of calling out like it is very, it's whack-a-mole. It's, you know, you fix one thing, finger in the answer. I'm just kind of calling out like, it is very, it's whack-a-mole. It's, you know, you fix one thing, finger in the dyke situation, right? Like it's like, oh crap. Like, well, we've been ignoring these guys over here and they just left and now we've got to find somebody else. So it's hard.

I don't envy the tour, but I'm also with you, Sally, in that, like at, I think what they're trending towards is the right thing, because do I want them to treat the rocket mortgage and Genesis the same? No, I don't, because I don't treat those the same, right? Like they're not the same. So I like this elevated designated situation that we have going on. Two things I'll say to that is one,

it may make sense to have a sponsor or a former sponsor of a smaller event kind of come on and talk about what they get out of it, right? Like it's not all dollars and cents really. Like if you're blah, blah, blah host of a fall event and you pay eight million bucks but you're hosting $50 million worth of business that comes in every year,

like it's pretty hard to estimate like what your, you know, your ROI is on all that. And like, that's not my expertise. That, but that's one point to say like, it's not like you're expecting huge ratings from this event. Like, you are accomplishing what you're trying to accomplish on the ground by hosting people there or entertaining clients, things like that.

That's one. And two, you know how many, like, how many eight million dollar clients you need to lose before all, like, before that adds up to an amount that would like, break the bank or like severely harm the PGA tour and that's a lot really. I mean, they're finding again, they're stretching themselves thin on the on the spending part of this side, but I just don't think that's where they're going to go broke.

But I think they're way more risk of going broke off a lawsuit, right, which is still very much a TBD thing of how that's all going to work out. But who could say? On the, I don't have a whole lot of live stuff this week other than their, other than everyone's fleeing the sinking ship, it certainly seems. Otto Kasslow, the COO left a few weeks or months ago. I don't remember exactly when that was. Now word has gone out that Matt Goodman, who was the director of franchises named that in May, is also no longer a part of the management team, which is a good work if you can get it over the last over the last year. So

director of franchises, bounce on clip art for an afternoon, pull a couple of logos, ask your eight-year-old nephew for a couple of team names. And I mean, the guy's just been eating cocktail shrimp since then. So that's great. So that seems not great. Things seem very not great at live. I've seemingly gotten absolutely no momentum this off season. They've announced basically getting the tours hand me down golf courses to be their hosts of their events and they've announced no signings.

And I don't even know if I don't know if the bots have given up. Like, I don't even get the rumors anymore. Like, I think they've just tried to float all these rumors one by one and they've just been manually shot down one by one by each player to the point where They're not I they're not even faking the excitement over the signings are gonna have And things seem seem mega not good. Maybe they'll you know come February when the events start that they'll gain a whole bunch of momentum But that was just a no worthy thing that happened this week and also just wild how much of an afterthought all they've been basically since the, the team championship.

Yeah, I coast on. I mean, that was kind of leading into the, the season, the season preview podcast. That was kind of the, what's your prediction for live? And like, short of something wildly dramatic happening, like, rom walking off the 18th green today and And like, short of something wildly dramatic happening, like ROM walking off the 18th green today and being like, Oh, actually, I'm going to live. Like I just, like, it would have to be such a from left field situation for anything to like massively change. It just feels like it's, if I know people are going to say that we're we're bias or biased, depending on their grammar, you know, towards towards the PGA tour, but it like, dude, show me any kind of momentum that's actually

going on and I would be happy to listen, but it's no new players coming on. There's fucking 15,000 people watching it on YouTube. Like, I just, I don't see what big sea change is coming. That's going to really change things. Not much to add. I would like to see how they kick the year off. I still don't see what big sea change is coming. That's going to really change things. Not much to add. I would like to see how they kick the year off. I still don't think it's this year going anywhere. I was actually coming back from the airport this morning and had AM radio on for some reason.

It was just on the car. And I left it on. I was like, I think it was Bloomberg. They were talking about live and the subpoena with the 9-11 families and how maybe they're opening up a, the Saudis are opening up. We're using it to gain a dossier on the 9-11 families and how maybe they're opening up the Saudis are opening up. We're using it to gain a dossier on the 9-11 families, whatever. But just hearing the discussion on general sports radio in New York City was kind of cracking me up. It's

like it just the, the Saudi golf stuff, like nobody knows what's going on with them because they haven't communicated anything in like what, four months, basically since they're, the championship ended, all we've heard is like, no, we're about to do something big. We're about to do something big. Again, I just want them to shut the fuck up and do it. I'm cool with it if you just want to go do it, but just stop talking to me about what's about to happen.

That's the part where they've stopped that part. Stick of that. They're not even hyping anything anymore. I feel like they've kind of run out of steam of even like faking, like there's exciting, something exciting going on. They're also not, there's enough to make fun of there that we're not even make fun of them

for running like the 2016 PGA Tour social media playbook. Like the worst memes, the worst engagement, faking things that were just all the sets we made fun of for the PGA Tour like a long time ago, for as edgy and new as they are, they're running the exact same playbook and it's horrific. That's a, that is a drive by on DJ pie. Yeah, I was trying to think what he's 16, I wasn't running the social media at that point. I'll have you know, maybe I should say 2017 August 2017, when you joined us, that was when you, you, you, you passed the line. What a drive by.

On the, on the, on the, on the, a big deal. We should mention while we're talking about live, the tour did grant releases for, uh, quote, a few end quote players, uh, to play in the bone saw, invetational, uh, the, the Saudi invetational at Neil, you played out there,

Royal, Royal Greens, uh, golf club, King of Dula, economic city. I think you played out there royal, royal greens, golf club king of dual economic city. I think you played out there, didn't you? T.C. is a member out there. T.C. can't say that I made the trip. T.C. has a reciprocal there, I think, through his, his membership at at a Liberty National. Liberty National. Yeah, you took the words out of my mouth. No, I don't know if you guys have any thoughts about more tour guys going to play over there. I think where I kind of start is I think shipnuck pointed out correctly that the tour is in the midst of a lawsuit of, you know, about being anti-competitive and keeping players from playing in certain places. So this is probably not the year to break from the tradition of granting these releases.

I think they've granted them with strings attached in the past, like basically, if you go, you have to play the pebble in, you know, one of the next three years or something like that. But I don't know if you guys want to weigh in, if you have anything to say about that. It's, go ahead, Tully. It is just, again, worth noting,

this event is an Asian Tour event. It is just again worth noting. This event is a Asian tour event. It is a 72 whole golf tournament that is not part of live golf. It is, you know, the Saudi investment fund, obviously runs this event as a golf event in Saudi Arabia, but it is not the same as granting, again, just for clarification, sake for anyone listening is not the same as granting a player release just for clarification, sick for anyone listening, is not the same as granting a player release to go play an arrival league. It's a one off thing that is very common, as you mentioned, DJ, for players to ask,

for permission to go play in other events and the tour has granted releases on this in the past. It's not a compromise. It's very much, you know, protocol, I guess. I'm just gonna be very curious who it's actually gonna be. It's been very clear lines have been drawn in the sand. Again, as I say, that is not a live golf event. These are the guys that are trying to take over the world of golf

and drive a huge fracture through the world of golf and throw middle fingers at the PGA tour and professional golf at large through a number of different ways. Like we kind of glance past the quote chilling dossier that the Saudis are forming on the 9-11 families. Like as again, part of this enormous political scheme that they're pulling, this golf tournament plays a tiny, tiny, tiny role in that.

But I'm very curious and who has pledged their loyalty to the PGA tour, yet also is going to play in this event. It's a very different step than it was last year. When it was, everything was such enormous uncertainty. And there were a lot of players that played it last year that did not go to live. That I'm just, it's a totally different landscape now. And I'm very, very curious who the guys are

that are going to be requesting releases to go play in this and actually go follow through and play with it, because they're going to face some very tough questions I think about that and it's gonna definitely be a discussion point. Is that unfair to project on any of these guys? I'm curious, your guys reaction on that. It's so tough because it's a little bit of a do as I say,

not as I do from on from the organizations. So the DP World Tour, this is a DP World Tour event, correct? Asian Tour event. It's no long tour event. All right, so that changes a little bit for me. I thought it was a DP World Tour event. I was thinking this was a back room strategic alliance,

DP World Tour contract. So I got that all wrong. So now that's the DP World Tour event. And as of last year, they dropped it it was a DP World Tour event. And as of last year, they dropped it and it was became an Asian Tour event as of last year. Last year was the first year as an Asian Tour event. Yeah. So that's, I don't know. That's, that changes a little bit for me. I mean, you know, I'm sure the money is really, really good. And it would be hard to say no to that. But I think the money looks pretty

good in a lot of the stuff that they're trying to lay out for the next one two three years. I would, I don't know, if it was me, I would try to really weigh the distraction that it would cause for me for the three weeks to a month leading up to it. And, you know, kind of the question, just, it would just be really distracting. And is that money appearance fee worth it? I guess it is, right? But yeah, it doesn't sit great with me. If it was the DP World Tour, be a little different. I'm like, all right, well, you're sanctioning this and that's a strategic alliance with my tour or PGA Tour,

as if I was a PGA Tour member. But without that, it's a little harder for me to justify it if I'm putting myself in their shoes. Other than just straight, give me the cash, man. Yeah. I think it's tough to, I don't know, it's tough to take an appearance fee from the people who are suing the PJ tour. And then also be mad at the people who are suing the PJ, like it's just trying to have

it both ways. I think you're saying, Sally, you're saying that they're giving these releases the justification from the PJ Tours because they're in a lawsuit, it would be a bad look if they didn't because they've done it for like they've set a precedent of giving a release for this event for the past five years. I would just think you don't want it again. I'm disclaimer. I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think you want to give like the lawyers an extra claim

of like, well, you can see it's clearly anti-trust and anti-competitive behavior. They won't even allow this in the past and they won't allow it now. It's one more thing to kind of put in the dossier, if you will, of crimes the PGA Tours as committed in terms of anti-competitive behavior. It would be a huge loss for the PGA tour if they did that basically. And it's a, it's relatively cost you as a tour overall, very little to allow this to happen. Now on an individual basis is where things are just going to get super

interesting. And it's like, again, it comes back to on the surface, anyone that left for live, like, hey, here's a ton of money to go play golf somewhere else, like individually, these decisions make a ton of sense. Like, hey, I'm gonna pay you $5 million, blah, blah, blah, insert big name to come play this event. It makes a ton of sense. Yet, at the same time, it's like, I guess, again, I'm not in this scenario, don't have to make this decision

between deciding, between all these million dollar contracts. But like, at a certain point, it has to be, why do I need this on top of all the these things that I have? And can all of these things all coexist together? And can I be like a spokesman and a leadership for the most competitive tour and also be, you know, taking money from this other side? Maybe the future of this sport looks has a lot more cross pollination like this. Maybe it, you know, I don't know if live is going to exist forever.

I'm guessing the Saudi investment fund is going to be around engulf for a long time regardless. Maybe there is more crossover in the future, but as it stands right now, they're suing you and they're giving you middle fingers in every possible way. I just don't know how you can turn around and take money from them because it just complicates so many things. Cody, you're here to tell us we should take the money? No, not at all, boys. I just don't know how you can turn around and take money from them because it just complicates so many things. Cody, are you here to tell us we should take the money? No, not at all, boys. I'm just going back off of who played last year that has not already gone to live. Name's jumping out of me. Tommy Fleawood, Shane Lowry.

Big tone? Big tone. Zander. Zander. That's pretty much it. Zander. Zander. That's pretty much it. To where I'll hat and but. That's it. Everybody else is pretty much already made the move.

And you're right. I think the stipulation last year was pebble. So it'll be interesting to see what that field actually is like. But again, it comes back to like Zander's hurt. We didn't touch that yet. Hopefully is back and we can see him at the next, you know, at waste management. But I don't know. Shane mysteriously missing this week as

well. Obviously nobody really causing too much of a stink as Rory, but it'll be interesting to see who does jump because outside of it, the purse last year was not big at all. I mean, a million bucks to the winner. Obviously, they're getting a ton of money to travel over and actually playing the event though. I think Lowry's going to pull. I mean, based on the podcast we did with him last year, he said he signed a three-year deal after he won the 2019 open championship. I guess, no, no, that would have been he's they've already played those three years.

So yeah, that would be surprising given the interview. He had a comment in there about like, yeah, maybe I didn't read the room right on that one. That would be kind of tricky if he wouldn't and played that. But I would be, well, we'll see. It's not like the end of the world. I think that whoever is going to do that, just going to make their life a little bit harder on themselves. But I think we would also say to that,

that's what the money's for. So Neil, do you want to do outfits? Or should we get into kind of talking about our week on Maui? I'd like to hit a couple outfits. It feels like the, you know, return the first event of the year, I guess, technically not, but first event in 2023,

all the apparel companies come out swinging, like they've been in the lab. What are you gonna wear at first day of school? What exactly? First day of school is a great way to put it dig and I would like to call out JJ spawn. I absolutely loved the full button down untucked, guardian boy look with the sunglasses on the back of the hat. I mean, the guy just looked like he was on vacation.

And I thought that was, uh, that was a great look. And I was very happy. I'd also like to call out Matt Fitzpatrick with the animal shirt on Sunday. Instead of Monday, he had the, uh, tigers in the jungle it looked like on his, on his shirt. Um, I don't think I can that speaks to me. I don't think I can go with you on that one, but I'm glad that you liked it. Well, I like the spirit of it. I didn't really like to shirt that much, but I did, I did like the, uh, the idea of the shirt. Yeah, that's a good thing.

Anytime you can incorporate some animals, you're gonna shout out for me. I mean, when you got, here's the problem with a lot of this shit, is you wear a shirt like that that's like kind of the weird sort of white lotus wallpaper vibe. I'm in on that, but then you start putting like HR logos all over it.

That's right. What are we doing? This is so stupid. That's that's very fair. It doesn't go well with with sponsor branding. Yeah, it doesn't feel very authentic, which is, which is kind of why I wanted to shout out this out. It's because it's so stupid like the king hats all week are so, so, so, so ugly.

Like everyone's trying to wait too hard. It seems like they've had two months to plan for it and they've overthought every bit of it. And it, you know, we're going to come out swinging with the scripting. It's just a, it's kind of a big duet less for everybody, which is why I want to shout out JJ Spon because it was like a true duet less. Like he's not even tucking his shit in, you know, I'm way, way in on that. Like that, that's it, man. Talk about relatable. Look at this. Like, I would wear that or maybe possibly have wore that on the golf course.

For sure, especially in an island paradise. It's great stuff. You guys got anybody else that anything else that jumps out at you? I was just saying, I'm way just in on the overall, like take me to Hawaii vibe. All the Hawaiian shirts, like they're all like kind of ugly, but I mean, I couldn't be more in on it.

Ricky did the untucked shirt thing a long time ago and everyone freaked out. So JJ is a safe place for JJ to do it. Because people remember Ricky, we'll remember Ricky for it and not really JJ, but I'm in on all of it. This event is made for TV thing and it's not that serious of a golf tournament if we're being completely honest about all of it. The more weird and funny you can make it, the more the more the more reasons like your eyes go to the screen and give you.

JJ Spawn gave us some content this week. I'll say that. Like it was it would have been very safe to just keep your shirt tucked in. He knew it would be a little controversial and he went for it. So for that, I think him. I would say this though about like Ricky doing it's one thing. It's like, oh, it's Ricky. You know, he's always stepping out and being a trendsetter. It's fucking JJ Spon. Like first time at the event, like nobody knows who that guy is. Like casual fans, like who the fuck is this slob?

You know, like that's good stuff. Like I appreciate that he, like that took some co-honets for him to rock that look as the new guy. So first day of school, he's coming, he's taken no prisoners. I mean, I mean, I'm in on JJ spawn. I think JJ spawns cool. I like it. I have a couple. I mentioned the ping one. Obviously hit on Thursday. Hadecki had an all time bad fit, but that's kind of part of the course at this point. Just a bright, bright, bright pink shirt. I can't believe that as I don't know if he gets dressed in the dark or what, but it's tough sometimes. Feel for my guy and I just want to kind of flame

a deed as a little bit. They keep, I hate it when they script everybody in the same thing every day. You know what I, they're wearing the sit, like three guys are wearing the same outfit. It's like, it's not a good idea. So it should go with the, they should go with Dustin of the four aces.

Maybe they could start making the four aces kits. They should, they should just go get a franchise and do that on the lift tour. But that's all I got. You guys got anything else on the outfits? I don't, I don't think I do. I saw, you know, maybe there's a segue, but the only outfit I really remember is,

I think we saw Rolf sauntering over to us on the 17th tee at the Bay course, looking like the most relaxed person I think I've ever seen in my life. Just, you know, ratty t-shirt, kind of loose shorts, flip flops. The guy was just, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, absolutely paradise. He wears uggs. All right. Sorry. He wore uggs out to the golf course The guy was no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no It was so it was the the Kunu vibes all the way. Neil any thoughts on Tom Kim's new setup team Nike guy now.

I mean, I think that's a big big move for him. I think actually saw it. I saw him at the the Weston waiting waiting for his car And we we gave him a shout out like he's decked out Nike head to toe, which is like well, one of the big big leagues young Tom Nike head to toe, which is like, well, one of the big, big leagues, young Tom, which again, like, I was going to go, yeah, cool. Good for him. And I was like, Oh, no, Tom Kim and majors now, it's going to be like, that's going to be a tough scene. We know that they do bad, bad, bad things during majors. And now our boy, our sweet, our sweet innocent boy is going to get caught up in that, this year, which is, which is unfortunate. But we are, I, I, should we transition kind of into our little experience this week? I mean, it was, I don't know, it was jarring, I guess, if you will.

DJ, you've been long been a proponent of like, how amazing this golf course in this whole tournament week is. We've always wanted to do this. We've talked about it pretty much every year. Like, we should go out early. We can, you know, go hang with the guys that are gonna be there pre-tournament week. We can go shoot some content with them on the golf course

for those that are not familiar with how PGA Tour rules work. Once tournament week starts on Monday, it gets really hard to do basically anything. And just there's a lot of interest involved. A lot of stakeholders once tournament week starts, but prior to tournament week starting, you can get away with a lot more things. You don't need to cut through as much red tape.

And so we went out a little bit early and got set up to do one of our more memorable pieces of content we've ever gotten to do. I can't believe it actually came together, but we, as I mentioned earlier, we did an all-shot match on the plantation course, me and JT against Neil and Spieth. And I don't really know where to start with that. Other than that was about the wildest reaction we've had to any content that we ever published. Yeah, that was maybe you can talk through. I kind of tweeted about it, but talk through JT's reaction of how Spieth got involved because we initially were just planning to shoot with JT. Still,

you know, Neil, you call that a good get, still a good get JT on the plantation course. You know, we're happy with that. Yeah, we had two cameras fired up. I'm gonna be catching balls into the green. Yeah, great production plan all in place. All it was, it was dialed. Which yeah, we do should give a huge shout out, of course, to, to title us for, for helping with this as well

in that it was, you know, a lot of comments flying around out there and all that, but it really was like, JT has been an incredible supporter of our content for a long period of time, yet when we didn't share an equipment sponsor, the ask was just always bigger from our end than it was. Like, it's just, you know, if I'm his agent,

I'm like thrilled if I'm going on a podcast when we're doing Callaway reads and things like that. So we, for those that haven't listened to, if you haven't listened to any podcast to this point in the year, we are now sponsored by Titleist and, you know, kind of went to him and said, like, hey, we're going to be out there early. I, this is, again, the only event we're guys show up early and want to play the golf course, like it's a really fun golf course for them to play. They're not showing up super early, you know, to Craig Ranch to go play that a bunch of times before that tournament week starts. So say, you know, to Craig Ranch to go play that a bunch of times before that tournament week starts. Um, so say the other thing about that too is like they haven't been

playing a lot of golf, right? Everybody's been off for the holiday. Everybody's been, you know, kind of drinking and eating and just not playing golf. And so I think when they get out to Hawaii, it's kind of like for something like what we did, it's like, hey, we don't need to take this super seriously. I literally just need to get some swings in, right? And, and so yes, I kind of like for something like what we did, it's like, hey, we don't need to take this super seriously. I literally just need to get some swings in, right? And so, yes, I kind of want to practice, but I also don't need to fully grind. It's like a good kind of transition moment

that we could kind of season, I think. And I wouldn't expect anyone to have, you know, any real understanding for how all this works and how rare this is to come together because it requires a lot of coordination of a lot of people, requires agents, it requires players, it requires sponsors, it requires the PGA tour to be okay with certain things and you gotta follow a lot of,

not rules, but just guidelines for all this and it's almost never worth the ask because it just doesn't come together like that. But it was pretty much like I talked to JT about it. He's like, yeah, I mean, you know, we're kind of traveling with the speeds a little bit. We're on the same like schedule as them, like I kind of feel bad, Ditch and Jordan, like would it be cool if he came?

And I was like, of course it would, but like, okay, I'll go to his team and try to get that coordinated and whatnot. And like it all came together. And that's where, you know, I think one of the many reasons we're super excited about this, you know, title of one of the many reasons we're super excited about this, you know, the title of sponsorship is, or partnership, I should say, is like that just was an easier yes once that was the case helped us kick off our partnership and kind of give people an idea of, I don't want to say what's to come because I don't know if we're going to be on top that like all year when it comes to getting guys like they're just not another event where this

can possibly happen and we were so thrilled to bring it to life and they, like they just not another event where this can possibly happen. And we were so thrilled to bring it to life. And they just, they, they showed up with so much energy. They brought the noise from the very first hole on. Unfortunately, my partner directly, a lot of that noise directly at me. Like he would, I don't know if he fully realized we were on the same team. As we went through that, that 15 hole match, if you will, but gosh, it was just really, really fun to bring that to life and mic them up

and kind of just go through a round of golf with Jordan's speed, because I don't know if we've ever heard a fully miced up round of golf with Jordan's speed and that lived up to the hype. Well, and I think one of the things, not to get too into the nitty gritty production stuff, but we say this all the time about a lot of things. We really said it when we made the Stanford documentary

last year. We always say it kneel whenever we go and shoot a strap season. It's just, if I may, I think it's very different doing something with us purely because there's just not a lot of people around, right? And these guys are just not used to doing shoots where it's just me holding the camera. And JT's making fun of me the whole time.

And there's no audio guys lingering and there's no lighting people and there's no directors and there's no producers stressing everybody out. It's kind of just like hanging out. And that's what you never, whenever you make these asks and stuff, it's always like, hey, agent sponsor, wife, partner, whatever. Like I know you don't really have a lot of reason to trust me on this,

but I gotta say trust me, I think it's gonna be like kind of fun, it's gonna be like very different. And I think when you say like they showed up with a lot of energy, I think, hopefully that's what a lot of it came from, is that it's just a very, very, very low-fi production, which sometimes why things look and sound the way that they look and sound, but I think there's massive trade-offs in the positive. Answer for the shot tracers, DJ. Answer for. Oh my God. All these dildos in the YouTube

comments saying that, oh, you know, you actually should have shot tracers. Like, oh, really, I never thought about that. That's so interesting. We had to flip that video and fucking 36 hours, man. Like, I can't video and fucking 36 hours, man. Like I can't upload all that footage to somebody else. The Weston was great, but listen, the upload speed is, you can't really upload like 300 gigs of footage to somebody overnight, then have them flip a bunch of shot tracers back to you. I didn't have any time to do it. You guys know I was uploading the final version of the video like two hours before it was supposed to premiere. There's no time for the tracers guys I'm not gonna get into it

But if we had another day there would have been tracers But listen you get what you get and if anybody wants to complain about it, you know, you know, you know You know where to find me Maybe in the director's cut We've talked about a director's cut and we could you know Maybe stretch this out because there's some conversations and whatnot that got kind of cutting room floor it a little bit Also worth noting like we want to make it go as fast as possible for these guys. Like you just don't want to hold them on the course

for five hours. We weren't trying potting the camera. DJ was using a gimbal to film all the shots. Like we were going for speed and authenticity and realness really and that's what that was really, you know, again without the huge production crew. Like it's just these dudes playing around a golf and talking so much.

They were just talking the entire time, which I was editing part of it. I was like, God, Neelan, Speeder having a great conversation right now, but it's right over me and JT talking about our shot right now. I think we need this one, but we can't waste this audio because this is really good.

People would want to hear this. There's some good golf nerd stuff in here. There's some funny stuff. There's some good banter going on. There's some really insightful story here. It just had a mix of everything. And I don't know. Thank you, everyone, for the tremendous reaction to it and for everyone that helped make it happen. It was a dream come true. Ask you, Cody, unless you got a pressing one, no, I just wanted to say we're talking about

this flaming hot content and sex 69. fund. I know they sense the facts. They can smell our bottom. Make it common days into the year guys. Come on. Gears self under control. What was the, what was the biggest takeaway? Either biggest like when you're

kind of sitting, you know, having a cocktail afterwards, what was the biggest like, wow, I that's going to stick with me thing. I've, I've got a couple. Well, first I want to echo what DJ said. It's not only just DJ on the camera.

It's like, oh yeah, and this is my wife Carson and this is DJ's wife, Justin. They're gonna be filming the green. So it's a little different than like, yeah, the guy holding the lighting up and running the rail rig and all that stuff. So I think, I noticed it a long time ago when we did the wild world golf with Jim Furek. It's almost like whole number three or four is when it's just like,

oh, wait a second. You almost see the like go off with these guys like, oh, this is just like, you know, this just like playing at home or whatever. And that's that's how I felt. I had a blast rolling around with Jordan. We basically just have one big long conversation all day. Most of it, not about golf. But I did ask him point blank on like the eighth hole. No, it's probably like six, six, I think it was in six hole when you guys are up top, so I was like, Jordan, you still like golf?

And he was like, yeah, I do, I really do. Like I'm really excited about this year. And just to hear somebody who's doing it as a profession with such high stakes, I think the biggest takeaway I had about speed as a person is that he doesn't have stock answers for anything. He is so like sincere and thoughtful. Like sometimes you think he's fucking with you

and it's like, no, actually he's just being very, very, very honest and he asks him a question and he gives you like a very thoughtful answer. And so it's like, it almost makes you like, don't ask him a bad question, don't ask him a bad question because like, I don't want to waste one. You know, like I don't, because it's like he's putting so much energy

into answering my questions that I want to make sure that I respect his time and his thoughts. So that was awesome. I mean, we talked, we talked New Year's resolutions with them, they it was great. It was just really, really fun to get those guys kind of in a comfortable setting and spend some time with them, both of them very easy to root for. And I had a blast. That was a takeaway as well for me. It was like, we kind of, we catch some, you know, we can catch some flax sometimes about being fanboys or whatnot with certain guys. And I felt at the end of that was like felt very validated for like, oh yeah, like these

guys are very clearly easy to root for. Like they spent what two hours with us afterwards at lunch, having drinks and telling stories. And it's like, dude, it's just very normal people. Now, do we still have a responsibility to, you know, call them on their bullshit when JT is doing his, you know, measuring the length of the plot at the president's cup and doing all kinds of things? Are we gonna make fun of that?

Sure, that's still gonna stay the same. Are we gonna, you know, critique all of Jordan's speech decision-making, of course, we're gonna do all that, but also it was just like, yeah, it was really, really just fun to see like the human side and over like an eight hour period, like we spent a ton of time with them on that day. If I can address, you got people, you got to stop coming at me about the humidity thing.

It's just basic fucking science. All right, the ball flies farther when it's humid. I don't care if they don't understand that. I know that they pros know how to get their distances, right? It's not my, it's not my take. It's just a actual fact that the ball flies farther. I'm gonna have to get Max Kellerman next topic on the podcast for next Move on from that just we got to move on from that second the pronounce Jordan's pronunciation of my name was a big topic of conversation as well Which can't believe you got outside you didn't correct him. I'll hand up on that one.

I think when you, you know, when you've mostly only like texted and seen it on Twitter and stuff, I think I probably said solely for a long time because it's not as it should be S O L L Y. If we're being honest, right? That would be it cut and dried. That's spelled solid. One L kind of throws you off. I think I struggle with the same thing. I get I guess so.

And but he's not the first person to do that. Some people just pronounce my name that way and so I didn't even notice it. I didn't even like think anything of it and the comments when we premiered it was all everybody was saying. I was like, okay, I guess this is a big deal now but yeah but also Jordan before we started Jordan was the one that was like is this like a you know like basically like a like a be it this is like a shit talking match. Like are we, are we going to get into it? I was like, hell, yeah, we're going to get into it.

So I had no problem of kind of throwing barbs at him and, uh, and kind of getting that going. But I was just like to note for the record that it was him that was like, oh, we're going to do, we're doing it like this today. Aren't we? Okay. I think, uh, I had two massive takeaways. One, Neil, you mentioned the mentioned the New Year's resolution.

Hopefully they don't mind a sharing this. I was fascinated here. They're both book guys. They both are dying to read more. I think that literally said he wanted to read 12 books this year. Yeah. It was like, dude, you come to the right place, my friend. Let's talk. It was heartwarming. Yeah, I think that was great. I think a lot of this stuff, I mean podcasts obviously help, but you kind of only see JT in one light, or at least I'd really only see them in one light. And it was very interesting to spend time like actually talking to him and hearing thoughtful answers.

And I think he was like a very, very, very switched on guy. He was very interested to, interesting to talk to. And also like to take nothing away from Jordan at all. Obviously it was not his, his best day ever, but JT might be the best capital G golfer on the planet, like holy shit. The shot making the way he sees different shots, the way he controls flight, the way he controls spin, the way he controls the face, the way like, I was blown away.

And I think it was kind of like, when you talk to somebody like Max, or you talked to, I mean, really anybody like JT's, I feel like his, his like power ranking is always way higher than like his world ranking. If that makes sense, like, when you talk to people at the highest level, they're always like, oh my God, like Justin Thomas is the guy.

And I don't think I ever really got it until I said this to him too, but like until like the players last year, right? When the weather got just horrible and he was the only guy in that wave to really just like climb up the leaderboard and kind of like assert himself and show what he could do. To see him on that golf course was

like kind of the 201 of that class. Like he is, he's the dude. Like it's, I don't want to say though. I do want to say my partner. Speed is the kid and he beat JT this week and he beat him this week. Oh, I'm, yeah, sorry. I wasn't aware of that.

Speed beat him over 72 old tournaments. So I take back everything I said. No, but I think the magic Jordan has is like, yeah, he, dude, he chunked of like, I think he chunked like four or five hours. Like, and he hit it horrible. Oh, like, oh my God, awful. And then it's just like, doesn't matter. He shot what 20 under this week, 19.

Just going to whip it into shape over the next three days. I'll see you guys on Thursday. Unbelievable. Like it's, it's, it's, it's just magic, man. It's crazy. But I agree with you on JT, his chipping, the touch around the greens is what blew me away. I guess I've never really given him the credit for the, the, the hands around the green. Very creative, different shots on every whole really thoughtful with how he chips the ball. That was a, that stood out to me. That's cool and all I get that. But like, what about bones? I think that would probably give me more excited than anything else.

Not saying that that opportunity is not amazing, but to be out there with bones, describing and talking through shots with JT. I think the coolest thing about bones is, I think twofold. One, the, and solid, I'm sure can add to this, you know, I'm obviously much better than we do, but and Saul, I'm sure can add to this, you know, I'm obviously much better than we do, but like maybe the most capital P pro that there is, like he is just a professional caddy. And I think that stuck out.

I remember that vividly when we were at Brookline last year. I think it was Brookline. And we're walking around and it's just like, I remember looking over at the other fairway and he's just out there walking the fairway by himself, charting everything, like going through all the paces, like man, that guy's been doing this for what 30 years, 35 years. He's, he has every excuse to just like kind of coast and rest on his laurels and sit in the locker room and tell stories and

did you ever tell you about the time when Phil did this and when Ray Floyd did this and and he's just not that at all. He's out there on, you know, if JT's out there playing golf, even if it's with us dipshits, like he's going to be out there because he wants to see how he's hitting the ball. He wants to see how the, you know, surrounds are reacting to his pitch shots and new putter. He was a new putter. You want to see? I asked him on number three. I was like, is this new putter?

He's like, yeah, man, I get something I need to keep an eye on. Well, it was the putter that he, I'm sure people saw this, but it was the putter that he used in high school. Yeah. And he was, he was putting back into play for the first time in a long time, but that was number one takeaway from bones is just like, oh my God, that's, that dude is not faking it. And he's not like looking into having the best bags,

like he has the best bags because he's the best caddy. And to epic storyteller, like good whole court with the best of the best of them and just like really, really, really blew my mind at how funny he was and what his comedic timing and delivery and also a big music guy, massive, massive R&M guy. We had a little breakout session about some of his favorite albums and stuff, which I didn't know either.

If you are a corporation that hosts people any kind of hospitality and you like during a tournament, we can you need a guest speaker on their bones is your guy like he the guy can tell so many freaking stories that are just incredible PG stories. It's not like they're all like crazy stories, but just he can he can have you hanging on every word of a story. And every now and then during the match, he would turn into like the pro caddy in a way like, you know, he would emerge to like see if the wind felt a little different on a different part of the T or, you know, like ushering a car through at some point. And I was like, oh my god, this is happening like in the same group I'm playing right now. This is so him fighting my ball on 14, which led to the JT shot, which has circulated pretty much everywhere at this point. Was just like, oh my God, bones is looking for one of my wayward drives on a driveable par four. This is really embarrassing, but like, God, this is kind of cool too.

And he found it and it almost led to a birdie if somebody didn't mess it up. And I will say real quick, just because Tyler's kind, basically seated there, their ad time on this podcast. So yeah, just talking about the JT stuff. They did a really cool What's in the bag with bones, talking about everything that's in JT's bag. So title is plug, go look at that on their YouTube channel. It's really, really cool. Last thing I'll add with bones is dedicated to the craft,

like a true professional, like you said, Dej, but I'm always, it's contagious when you're around someone that loves their job. Yeah. And he is the definition of someone that loves his job. And it's just like, it's infectious. And there's it feels like there's, I shouldn't say this. I don't know this, but I would guess there's probably

a lot of like veteran caddies that are pretty jaded and worn out and just like, man, you know, about, and he just seems to just love what he does and love worn out and just like, yeah, man, you know, and he just seems to just love what he does and love being out there. And it's just so it's just such good energy. You know, you can just you just want to be around it. And I feel like not only JT, but all the other guys want to be around him. Like he's he's the man period. Which if I have one other thing I want to address, which is the alleged me fighting JT on his reefs got completely blown out of proportion.

I would like to say a couple things on this matter. What I put in my ass off. So I also want to know that his lobster a little weak and that's why he was hitting more club in some of these. I hit it like shit. I hit it like shit. I was gladly owned that, but I put it in my ass off one and two, those greens are screwy as hell.

So a lot of our conversation was like me guessing of what's happening and him giving me like an opposite break. And it was not that I was fighting him on it. I'm just like trying to understand, trying to marry the two. Like, you know, if you get a caddy that tells you something so opposite of what you see, how hard it is, no matter how good their expertise is, how hard it is to trust, look how many times we got it right. We got it right a bunch of times, and there were a bunch of outside the whole putts

that went damn right in the middle. And there was one hole where I was like, I don't think it breaks back left at the end. He did the shoulder shrug. And if you listen to what he also said, he said it's left to right overall, and it actually broke the opposite way. So I somehow got the flack for that one,

but I was actually very proud of my putting, and then I read the comments, it's like, oh, I can't make anything. I was like, but I was actually very proud of my putting it. And then I read the comments, it's like, oh, I can't make anything. I was like, what, I don't put better than that. Like it does not get better than that for me on the green. Imagine Neil, I don't know if you want to go through this, but just imagine if Saulie ever got the,

the Neil strapped at it. Imagine you got it. You got it, you got it. It's not worth the energy, but tell it to your man. Just let it be. You put it great, you won the match. Don't worry about it. If you learn anything from JT and speed, I just don't read the comments. It's also true. Also true.

I will say I would love to start filming some more golf because we're starting around into form. If I may say your boy, the goal was to get to plus two this year. We I have cut 1.3 off my handicap in since December 20th. And your boys coming. It's coming hard and fast. That's all I'm going to say. You're going to say the ball again. The balls start to go.

Lots are coming now too. Cody, anything else we've missed to this? Yeah, what I would say is that you guys had an opportunity to play the plantation course. Obviously the Bay course, as DJ mentioned, what did you think of the resort as a whole lot of history tradition there? We know that there's a 2019 kind of restoration, a little bit of green work there by Corn and Cranshop, but overall thoughts on the the place. Not sponsored, just for the record, but go ahead, DJ. I am obsessed with it. For all the reasons Ne Neal said I think it's a total outlier.

I you took the words out of my mouth earlier about, you know, there's a lot of astronomical price tags to a lot of really bad golf courses around the world. And I do not put this in that category. I think if you're on vacation, it's it's a very large cost, but it is one that that is honestly worth it because it's it's just so cool for the views. And I think it's one of those places where you, like, you got a fight, almost getting numb to the views, right? And the bake horse is kind of the same thing where you get six, seven holes in and JT made a joke. I think I got cut out of the video, but Jordan's like describing the seventh hole.

And you can just, he's like, oh, it's a par four. It's dog like, right, you really want to aim at this tree, blah, blah, blah, blah, and JT's in the background, and he just goes, oh yeah, and you can finally see the ocean, which is cool. Which is obviously a joke, because you can see the ocean from every fucking corner of the property. Like it is, you feel like you're on top of the world,

especially when you get up to 17, 18, and you're just whipping down the hill, it's so, so, so, so cool. I love it. And the big horse the hill, it's just, it's so, so, so, so cool. I love it. And the Bay Course, honestly, I played it, I don't even know, five, six years ago, and I must have blacked out or something because I don't really remember much about it.

And then going out there, we're gonna have a couple more film rooms coming out as well. One was myself and my wife, Justine, playing all-shot against Neil and his wife, Carson, on the Bay Course, which was super fun. And then the three of us went and played the Bay Course again as well. And just really cool views. It's a little more of a resort-y kind of, you know, somewhat forgettable par fours, but

some amazing vistas, amazing golf holes, some cool greens, some cool, cool stuff going on on that course as well. And I don't know, I'm obsessed with Coppulu. I'm happy to see them get such a great tournament this year because I think it's a place that's very deserving because it's so far outside of the norm on the PJ tour. I'd pick it up right there on just Maui in general, but our trip over to Lani, Lanii, I believe is the proper pronunciation was, and this is sound, you know, maybe an IRL, but like, highlight of the trip for me. It was everything about like our golf that I love, going to the most remote golf course

that's also free that has history that is on this island in the Pacific Ocean and kind of having the place to ourselves was just an all-time day. Taking the ferry back with the sunset, the bluega at home with his blue whale friends got, went a little whale watching. Whales are fucking awesome, man. They're just crazy. How you can, they're just splashing around out there. Nobody knows what they're

up to. You don't know where they're going to appear. I almost got the mega breach photo. Did they do they sent it to you? Did they do the microphone thing where they dropped the microphone underwater and you can hear all the whales talking to each other? No, they didn't. We didn't we were not equipped with the with the AV team, but we got we got up close. And then it's almost like how I feel like the drone pilot must feel when he's doing the stuff, trying to follow the golf ball live. It's like, you just don't know where, where are they going to pop? I got my camera ready.

Like, where's the whale come? Where is he? Where is he? Oh my god, there he is. And then you don't have time to focus the camera. So that was, it was a, it was an all time trip. And I think, you know, Hawaii gets a lot of a lot of burn a lot of love But I think it's deserved once you get out there and you know

It may be appreciate the white Lotus series even more because those resorts are a lot You know, they're a little bit of a Truman show of situation But the the islands themselves are awesome, and I think that's why I liked Linae so much I thought that was just the coolest place I've been in a long time since since LaFotin basically that's that's the last place I remember feeling that way. Just like man we're on the edge of the earth like playing golf. This is awesome. So that video, D. D. what do you think like early February?

For the bad guys? Yeah probably. I'd we'll, we'll get them both done in concert with each other over the next couple of weeks here. Cool. Oh, that was my first time in Hawaii and I thought it'd be tacky. I thought it would, which it is in spots for sure. Yes, it is. The resort stuff is a lot. It's like three, four days of that and then you're probably good, but sorry. I just didn't find it tacky. I just found it like, like, quality, right? I mean, it's very tourist but sorry. I just didn't find it tacky. I just found it like, like quality, right? I mean, it's very touristy, but it just didn't feel tacky, if you will.

The Bay course was like surprisingly wide. I just was expecting, you know, it to be, you know, the land is extremely valuable in that part of the world. I was expecting tighter fairways and not as many places to hit the ball, but it was a total delight. It was a great compliment to plantation and I'd love to play a lot more golf on Maui. It was it was a great I can't remember coming back from a trip like more jazzed up,

more energized and like feeling more, I don't know, accomplished from it. It was one of the true highlight trips. We've been a lot of places doing this job and I was this is one of my favorite ones. It was just the podcast we put together, the videos we put together and just kind of starting this year with the bang has been, been a great thrill. So very excited for 2023 and that helped, help get us going. So Cody, anything else we miss? Yeah, the last thing that I have on the agenda here, just if anybody is

interested, DJ is actually soliciting a swing advice. So please read to his DMs, a Twitter Instagram, even email if you can find it there, but he's basically looking for any advice possible. DJ, what are we working with here? You clearly got the bug, my man. I do have the bug. I, I got to tell you guys, it has not been over 30 degrees for the last three days. And I've gone to the range all three days.

I completely have the bug. I had such a blast playing with you guys at Hawaii. I'm loving. I mean, I think a bag full of new equipment is always going to give you the bug back and you're going to want to get out there and figure out how far you're hitting it and all that stuff. But yeah, I post. I love this, man.

I love occasionally I can do it like once every two years, like just getting really into swing stuff. Like, you know, it's cold out, it's shitty. I'm not gonna actually play like, let's just think about swing positions for like five months. And so I posted a thing on Instagram, I have never seen, I've never found more community with the NLU audience than I did posting that early

extension hump the goat frame by frame that I mean just truly guys hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people responding just like dude how did you get video of my swing? That is me. I mean this image I want to untag myself just hundreds of messages. I don't want to be around anymore. And so that it both like made me feel, you know, pretty bad to obviously like look at that. If you're listening on the podcast, what I'm describing is my impact position, which is horrible up on my toes, very similar to JT, just, you know, our, what's our cores are in slightly

different positions. You know, just hump and add it, moving the head back, moving the chest back, trying to make some space because I'm so fucking steep coming in that, you know, either I'm going to hit a foot behind the ball or I need to hump and just make some space. And so, you know, I got my guy, my guy Corey, solid, of course, we share a swing instructor, Corey Lumberg out in Dallas. It sent me just an unbelievable breakdown. Wait, is that breaking news? Does Colin know that he's been replaced?

Well, it's kind of a, it's kind of a butch, like, you know, Cowell, hey, can you take a look at this? Can you help me maintain? I think honestly, the reason I got so fucking steep was because I was watching all those Cowell videos. For sure. And I was, I was doing the first part and I was getting it up super high that I couldn't actually how, the reason I got so fucking steep was because I was watching all those cow of videos. For sure. And I was doing the first part and I was getting it up super high

that I couldn't actually shallow it out. So I would just rip my hands down super steep. But yeah, we're working on it. We're working on shallowing it out at the top and then hopefully that'll take care of some of the, some of the humping situations. But God, I hit it. Honestly, it's a try of how good I'm hitting it

from that position. Like you guys should be terrified. If I can ever get it. That, it's a try of how good I'm hitting it from that position. You guys should be terrified. If I can ever lead to some scar tissue, there's a lot of gauze on the wound right now. For sure. If we get into a better position at the top, that could be trouble. I will say taking a hard look at it though

does explain a lot of the weak rights and hammer pull lefts that we got going on. Because there's just a lot of athleticism that's going on at the bottom of that swing, try to make it work, rather than just to actually like being on plane. The pie man is soliciting advice from his Oana. Yeah, everyone. I appreciate everybody over the last five minutes,

who's rifled these swing tips in. I didn't read any of them. Just say, you know, didn't read any of them. I got some all into one thought. I think that's your the best your best path forward. I trust my guy Corey implicitly. We're working on it. You know, I don't need the input, but I do appreciate all the community. So if I find the answer, I'll share the answer because I know there's a lot of people going going through it. But yeah, it's we're working on it. We're working on it. Same. I'm coming off my film room video that published right before

Christmas at Frisco and just inundated with putting tips. A lot of people just tell me to stop putting, which is always helpful. I also just recently obviously got fitted for a new potter. People tell me it's actually the wrong putter. You need to go back and get something else. So I'm in the same bow with you, Dej. It's just I got a bucket of swing swing thoughts with me. I'm taking them everywhere. I'd go and I'm just trying to figure out what actually is going to work. Have you played it all? Are you putting better? I did. I played really, really good two days ago. What was it? Friday. I went out

and played 18 holes. And it was I played surprisingly surprisingly amazing. That this is not part of the title. Let's read 73. First time literally was like, I got to the six hole and I was like, oh, we still have to take the wrap off this one. Let's go. Absolutely loving it. I actually had that going on out. Why? We got a question. We got a question here that I want to address. Dave Kuhn is asking, can you address this? How have you guys never been fitted before? I think this is a question we probably should address because our conversation kind of is revolving around like,

oh my God, we got fit and now we're good at golf. I want to accept responsibility for this day. If you want to put that photo back up, we're not good at golf. Now, I want to accept responsibility for this personally, Dave, this is not anything that we're kind of, you know, blaming Callaway for or anything. It was just, it was, we got fit with them many, many years ago,

many different swing changes, probably a go. And it was kind of like, I'm kind of embarrassed, honestly, with how lazy I got with my, you just spend so much going on in the golf world and it just, it's been really hard to prioritize our own golf games in recent years as this job just gets busier and busier every year. And I just got really lazy with my setup and just let things bleed. My five iron was longer than my four iron because I'd get it reshaped. That's it. That's embarrassing. Like I was juicing the my driver was just on the wrong setting for like two years. Like that's just freaking

embarrassing. Like I should know how to address these things and we just gotten really lazy with our own maintenance on at least, I don't know if you guys would say the same thing, but that's how I felt personally. And having the titles guys come to us in basically, we're like, hey, we're gonna get you in the right shit. Like get it, get your ass out here. We're gonna put you through it,

but like you're gonna be in the right stuff. And like something about somebody putting something in your hand saying this is the right thing for you to go play has led to a huge change in confidence for me. And it just is not this, you're not just playing for misses the whole time and you can just kind of swing freely and it's taking me back to regular instincts. So it's not that we haven't gotten fitted. Just honestly, it would be got lazy and just been a lot of bleeding year over year.

And it just led to, I needed somebody to come to me and shake me and be like, let's refresh this and that's what they did and that's what kind of has been a little change we've seen. So I don't have yet anything to add on that. The only thing I'd add is also just timing matters. I think Lee got fit in 2019 for the first time, didn't know anything, didn't know what launch,

angle, ball speed, didn't like anything, didn't know what launch, angle, ball speed, didn't like never seen a track man before. So everything, they did a good job, but everything you hear it kind of goes in one ear and out the other. And so I just felt like I had a base of knowledge this time around that allowed me to be like, oh, cool, instead of just self-diagnosing, like, yeah, let me play a steel chef to drive. Let's try that next, or like, let's just, you know, it was a lot of like, in my world. Dr. Stuff. So to Colton Tindsman's comment, he's a he's shocked that Cali didn't have him out. That's not the case. That was they would have had us out. They did have us out

and we could have gone out every month if we wanted to. It was pure laziness on our end really of not like properly maintaining it. That's something that we got to own on our own. So, yeah, it's good. It's just feels like we're, for me, it's like the right time to do this, I guess it would be the way to do it. And I had gone to the indoor facilities, but sometimes I get a little spooked when I go to an indoor spot and get, like, I'm always like, oh, I'm hitting the ball different here, if that makes sense, like, you know, inside off turf. And so it just, you know, doing it on grass made a big difference too for me. Great question here is we rounded out.

I don't know if you guys seen this yet. I haven't actually watched yet, but the new Netflix tennis trailer dropped. Is that a good sign that probably golf is coming soon? I don't know if you've heard anything, solid DJ, or what the word is there. I'm excited to watch the tennis. I have only heard amazing things about the Netflix thing and that's not just coming from people that put it together. It is, I believe February and I'm guessing we should start seeing some screeners come in at some point in these coming weeks and we can kind of share our reaction to that. We'll spoil anything in there, obviously. But it's it's coming and I have nothing but complete faith that it's going to be pretty like truly kind of revolutionary. I think that's maybe setting hopes too high for it, but I think it's going to be so different than anything we've ever seen in golf.

Yeah, and the other positive thing too, I think it was I think it was de-wrap that actually said that he positive thing too. I think it was, I think it was de-rap that actually said that he got word that it was extended for a second season or picked up for season two. So hopefully, we'll see. Yeah, they've been tweeting Chad Mom, the producer's been tweeting about season two for several months. So I had assumed that it was, assumed that it was a full go, but yeah, I would be, I'd be, like Tom Kim's going to be heavily featured in season two. I believe is one of the things. Maybe some Christmas at the speed content. Who knows?

Very well could be. So young Tom could be the babysitter. I think that's a wrap, Cody, unless you have anything else that we need to get to. I want to thank everyone. This is kind of our test run for doing this Sunday night show. Live our next live one is going to be the waste management Phoenix open a lot of complications with football the coming months weeks we'd love to do farmers that's a Saturday finish. So basically we're circling the waste management Phoenix open in

February to be our next live one which also I think complicates with the Super Bowl but still we're going to do it. So that's the next real big event our next designated podcast designated pod. That's exactly right So if you're listening on the podcast now you can watch these live on Sunday nights on YouTube and on Twitter And if you please go subscribe to our YouTube as well. We're You know looking to add our subscribers there on YouTube and if you're a YouTube subscriber And don't follow the podcast please subscribe there as well and look forward to bringing a lot of content this year. It's going to be a great year. We got more surprises up our sleeve. You know, we're starting with a bang and we are, we got a lot more things

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