No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 644: Riviera Recap

Episode Date: February 20, 2023

The Buoy has surfaced again! Jon Rahm wins by two shots over Max Homa at Riviera to reclaim his spot atop the world rankings. We hear from KVV who was on location this week and break down the week for Rahm, Max, the Cat and the rest of the leaderboard. We also get into some coverage takes, updates from the LPGA and Euro tours and the latest round of LIV signings and more.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up live show slash podcast. Solid here. We got a big squad here today because it's a designated not elevated event. Solid here, DJ Pius here, hello DJ.

Solid greetings. Thanks for having me on your show. What a what a week, man. What a golf tournament. TC is here. Good evening. TC for having me on your show. What a what a week, man. What a golf tournament. TC is here. Good evening. TC. How big is the ocean? We're about to find out. We're about to find out. All the only thing we know about, we can't tell you how big the ocean is. We know that ROM floats in it, though. That is the only thing we can tell you. And he's back for a Sunday night recap. It's been a while. People have been asking big Randy. Hello, Mr. Big.

So good to be back. Thrilled to be here. Let's get into it, boys. Of course, the no-lang up live show is brought to you by our friends at high noon. This has been a dream come true. Listen, I've been drinking high noons for free on this show for a long time. And now they are actual sponsors of it. I still can't believe it. I don't think I've touched another celtzer since I discovered them. They're made with real vodka, real juice and sparkling water, not made with that malt stuff. Like so many of the other celtzers. T.C.

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This is what scares me about it right here. But John, we got a lot of results to get to. John Rom wins the Genesis over our boy, Max Holma, to orb your in Olsen, pulls away to a win by four at the DP World Tour Thailand classic. Lydia Coe hangs on to win by one at the leave your politics out of my sports. Saudi ladies international over a DD Ashok and Andy Ogletree

with by three shots at the Asian Tours International series guitar. We got a lot to talk about with the result. The golf course, Kevin Van Volkenberg, our new hire has been out at Genesis all week long. He will be calling in at some point during the show to talk about his controversial piece on the 10th hole. But a lot of discuss.

I'm going to throw it to, I'm going to throw it to Randy first. I just wonder if you, if you have anything to speak on when it comes to John Rom. It's been a little while here. Yeah. I think, you know, people remember I was, I was questioning whether Rom was any good. I think I've said in the past he might, in fact, stink a bit of tough couple months for that take. So I, I do want to maybe officially walk that one back. I think he has been playing some good golf. I will apologize for saying he stinks,

but I'm never going to apologize for saying aesthetically. His golf game doesn't do it for me, but I do recognize the run he has been on. He's playing Supreme golf. And you know what? Honestly, there's a little bit of like good. Like this is I think with, you know, with great talent, with great expectations, we want to see stretches like this. So good on him for fulfilling and living up to the billing as truly one of the elites in the world. I guess my only concern now is it, you know, it just has that feel of, you know, Skip might be asking him to get six

outs one too many time here in the early going of the year. So I wonder how he's going to hold up in the dog days of summer, but we'll see when we get there. You're saying Skip as like the coach or Skip is like skip bailess. The manager. Yeah. This has whiffs of TC the other day on Slack and quote, I respect LeBron's career. At long last, he said, you know what? I'll say respect. I respect LeBron's career.

However, no, that's the thing about Rani. When presented with overwhelming evidence, he's never going to triple down, dig his heels in. He's always willing to admit when he's wrong. Randy, I really enjoy it here and that from you. I think this week for me was, I mean, without trying to be too cheesy, like I don't really know what else you want

from a regular season PJ Tour event. I mean, that to me feels like about as good as it gets, I thought the golf course was finally presented, I think in a way that all of us have really been hoping for and waiting for. I thought CBS was was great this week, you can quibble about some stuff on Sunday, but that just elevated the whole experience. Max obviously was was wishing Max would get it done. I was saying to Tron before we hopped on like the ultimate testament max right now is that I'm not that gutted for him after he just lost his favorite tournament in the world, you know, and finished second for the first time in his career. I think that just shows like how well he's been playing and also how well Ramson playing. And kind of like we were saying about Scotty the other day, it's like the more Ram wins, the more interesting he gets. I just, I can't

get enough, give it to me. It was fantastic, fantastic week of golf. TC, what do you take away? Oh, a lot of TIO. A lot of TIO. I, you know, the, I hate that that's going to cause such a poll over the week for you. It's the biggest story of the whole week. That in the app not working. I was at publics earlier and people were coming up to me left and right.

TC, you hear about this? You know, it's very, it's just unfortunate. It was rubber the green. Yeah, uh, during what route? What was that round two? Saturday afternoon, we're going to get that one later. That was rubber the green, but, but Saturday, when he drove it left of three, this is wrong.

We're talking about. Rob, yeah, into the, you know, whatever you want to call it, into the maintenance area or the TV compound. I don't know what it is. Everybody's saying that into something that had walls around it. Yeah, exactly. Like it's it should be fucking OB. Like I don't care if it's if it's not OB for the members who play it on a weekly basis. These aren't the members. These are the best players in the world. And like the fact that that he doesn't have to go in there and look for his ball, like he just has to know that it presumably went in there. And then like he doesn't have to find it,

but then he gets to hit a provisional and practice. It's crazy to me. Yeah, that's my big takeaway too. I do it without that practice swing, would he have found his golf and you know, really got it, got it in the house. He was missing it left. He was missing it left got it in the house. He was missing it left. He was missing it left, you know, even Saturday

was missing it left. So I don't know, it's just, I'm just so fucking tired of these guys, like, I mean Keith Mitchell did it on 17. Like they just bounced it off of everything. They're, they got, it's like playing bumper pool. I wonder what these, I don't know if these guys would break par if it weren't for these grandstands in the TIO. Like that's the thing. Like all of our balls, they keep running far away from it, I wonder what these, I don't know if these guys would break par if it weren't for these grandstands in the TIO.

Like that's the thing. Like all of our balls, they keep running far away from it, but these guys guess everything cams right back on the green and that's, that's, that's the biggest takeaway I have from all of this. No, I mean, like the condition, the course was, the setup was awesome. The greens got shiny as hell today, such a, just an unbelievably great golf tournament. But yeah, that's, that's my one quibble with it. I was trying really hard not to get carried away on Twitter after this one,

which is, you know, it says something because that's kind of my specialty, right? But I'm sensitive to like what VJ did in 2004. There's been some great Phil runs. Jason Day had an incredible run. DJs had some incredible runs. I'm just like struggling though to to put way too many runs, like all time heaters in the last 20 years up here, up against what Ram is doing right now. I mean, he's won five times in nine starts with other fantastic appearances on top of that.

And, you know, almost wins Torrey Pines. And it's just insane how freaking hot this guy is and how it doesn't look like it's going away. And I'm just going to throw this question out there. This is getting carried away. I'm 100% aware of that. But like, it's not outrageous to think about him winning the Grand Slam this year. Like, it's not outrageous.

Like, it's been a huge rarity to see somebody so clearly lift and separate from a talent perspective and win a tournament when not everything is going right for him. I did not feel like everything went right for him. It was not like he could not miss a shot and he still wins golf tournament with almost all of the best players in the world on it. And that's just to say like when the golf courses get harder, I like his chances even more. I mean, every time it's been the challenge has gotten harder, he has risen to the occasion to say like, is it the crazy to think he could win two, three, even four majors this year? The grand slam.

I mean, it's not insane, right? It's not insane, but it also is insane. It is insane. It is insane, but like, right? Let me put it this way. So if if I'm betting on anybody to win the grand slam right now, it's Rob. Exactly. But if I think is doing a lot of lifting in that sentence, you know, I think you can chuck this one out there. And if he does win the grand slam, you're going to isolate this audio, look like a genius.

And if he doesn't, you know, I don't think anyone's really going to hold it against you. But that's kind of the CC playbook. Exactly. Can I take you guys back to last last year's BMW championship? Can I before you do that? Can I also say this was the first bet I hit all year long, which is incredible that I would try to predict the grand slam on top of that. Congrats. Congrats. Here we go.

Going back to the BMW championship. Randy, let me know if this is any good for you. T2, win T4, win T8, win, win T7 third first. That's, that's what we got going for John. Rob. That's good. That, listen, that's, you heard it here first. That is good. I do think it will be if, if Rob doesn't win a major this year, it is kind of like, I I would, if I was you, Randy, I would double down here to be like, all right, it's got to be, you got to have more than one major than at this point.

The resume you've stacked up to this point, I need more than one major out of you. I'm giving you, I'm chat GBT in you this content right here. Like this is what you should be saying. Well, I think if I can try to make a little bit of a distinction and I will preface this was saying, you know, we like to lean into certain takes, of course. But I think my thing with Ram was, listen, I get that he's very talented, I get that he's very good golfer. But up until DJ that BMW championship last year, I mean, he had a very good resume, obviously

a major championship. But I think runs like this really do help cement his status in everybody's mind. It's like, okay, yeah, this guy is elite of the elite. So I do without, you know, trying to be silly, I do think it's an important run for him to go on. I think it's a step up. He's finding a new gear, finding a new level, and I do think that's important for him. And for us that love watching guys really rise and become what hopefully will be all time great, right? That's one of the biggest thrills of watching golf, I think.

I did just ask a chat, GBT, if if John Ram is good and said, yes, John Ram is an extremely talented professional golfer considered one of the best players in the world. Not the best player in the world. So there you have it, Randy. I mean, Ram's been on tears like this before. Like after he won the US Open,

it was first seventh T3 at at the Open Championship, third of Northern Trust, T9 at BMW, tied for first at the tour championship. I don't know what that means on the world rankings. But it's like he's he's done this before and then he cools off. He misses a cut. I think he's raised his floor and everything. But man, Sally, it's so hard to win a major much less. Much less four of them. Come on. Much less like even a Tory. What have he got? He got help with the TIO ruling at Tory when

he won as well. That's true. That's very. He might win the TIO grandslab. How about that? Well, you mean me trying to fail that would. Yeah, trying to think that means I mean no chance at the masters. Just not enough, not enough grandstands out there. Oh, good evening. Good afternoon. Good evening, sir. We have Mr. Kevin Van Volkentberg calling in here from somewhere around Riviera. Hello, KVV. Can you hear us? Good morning, good evening. I can hear you loud and clear. How are, how is everybody? We are fired up. I just said that, uh, Rob's going to win the Grand Slam. So everyone's all worked up.

So I'm hoping you can come in with a take harder than that about what you witnessed out there this week. Oh, yeah, I mean, he's going to win the Golden Slam. The Olympics too, the Olympics are even this year. But just add it to the thing. And a Ryder Cup also, yeah, it's the ultimate sweep. So what an awesome, just kind of bad ass performance down the stretch. He was, I walked with him, him and Max

for the last four holes. And so, you know, I watched a little bit of MTV, did some other reporting, but pretty awesome, just like big, big dick performance by John. Take us, what did you see out there? And how close were you for the, like big, big dick performance by John. Take us, what did you see out there? And how close were you for the, be the fricking number shot on 16?

Literally like probably five feet from John. I mean, it was, you could tell like the tension was in the air, that everybody was like super quiet for Max and then buzzing a little bit too much for John. I know it was not order, but like, it was really kind of a, you could feel like it was a moment. And I talked to John's caddy, Adam Hayes afterwards,

and he was like, yeah, that was a moment. You've got to have every tournament you need, like a moment when you're stepping up and basically saying, I'm seizing this right here, and that was the moment for John. I mean, he did, I don't know if you could tell, but he kind of did like a really fist pump pump, like just like below the waist fist pump as the ball, you know, bounced in the crowd kind of went a little bit crazy and stuff. So definitely like a cool

moment. Transition to talking a little bit about RIV. I know you got to do some writing tonight and you've done some writing phone, no, no, no, comment. People don't know, yeah, we got our websites back up and running. Thanks to a word out kbv we're back up we're back up we're back up telling friend to tell a friend what you wrote a piece about the 10th hole you sat there for an entire day on Saturday uh documented a bunch of stuff ask a bunch of pros uh kind of for their reaction on the 10th hole since you've posted it you just been a lot of reaction to it what's what's your uh saw if you're summary up for somebody that uh that has not read it and uh you been a lot of reaction to it. What's your, if you're summary up for somebody that has not read it and you want to kind of hear what you have to say after the reaction, how would you describe the 10th whole

reviewer? I feel like I just been sort of hearing for most of my life that the 10th is like, you know, this cathedral of golf. And so I was like, you know what? I'm gonna go and basically sit under a tree facing the tea and putting myself in harm's way for the entire day and just wait and see all the fireworks and all that kind of cool shit. And it was okay. I think what I really wanted to do was ask a bunch of players and instead of just firing off a take and say, oh, I literally hung out and scoring for a couple hours and just grabbed guys as they were coming in and a lot of them do not like it.

And you know, that's actually kind of a funny thing, I think, on some level. You know, it sort of depends on whether you think like if you do the right thing on a whole that you should be rewarded with something. And I think, you know, Rory was pretty candid and just basically, I was like, hey, this is the tempo so great or does it stink? And like literally before I could get the words out of my mouth, he was like, it stinks. It absolutely stinks. And I was like, Oh, well, could you expand a little bit on that? And he went, you know, deep into the cacuia and how, you know, it just wasn't designed for the way it is.

And, you know, my sort of takeaway was essentially like, yeah, you hear like about how it's so sweet. And really it's just kind of like a chip off. And it's a lot of guys like, we don't have to play it safe on the chip. So, look, is it a bad hole? No, it's not a bad hole, but like, could it be better? I think that's my big takeaway is like,

if there was two Eagles all week, they came on the one day when, you know, there happened to be the pin in the right spot where literally no one laid up the entire day. So, you know, would it be awesome? Or or if like you could chase that angle way left? I mean, I was kind of joking in my piece like, why don't we take out this Tito's vodka shack and put it somewhere else. And then like all of that area could at least help you chase that angle.

Maybe it's rough over there, but maybe you could still, you know, if it's a really bad like back right pin, you could go and do it that way. And but Tiger did, you know, he did it without having to get that far wide left on today. So that was kind of a cool, you know, like FU and in the sort of while you can't lay up kind of approach. I do find myself every time I watch it, I agree with everything in your piece and a lot of what was coming from the players, I'll turn it over to my associates in a moment for the for the other, the counterpoint. But I do also lean so much closer to the TV whenever somebody does have a wedge shot in there. So like Tiger played way out to the left today. And I'm just fascinated to watch and see if he can you know, hit that coffee table that he has to hit in order to hold the green with his wedge. And when he does, I'm just, I'm so much more thrilled.

So I don't know, I've ping ponged back and forth, even in the last 36 hours on this, and which I think honestly is what makes it like a really good whole from as far as how I would define it, which is kind of psychotic, right? Like I don't think it's a good whole as far as like good shots get rewarded, but I think it's a good hole as far as like put that shit on my TV and I will watch it. Yeah, it's unique and different. It's, it's much better on TV. I assume than in person to sit there and watch because it's just, it's not that exciting to watch guys like chip away from the whole right, but it is, it serves as a, and it's served a great role today on Sunday. It was like, okay, like Max is too behind,

but shit can happen on 10. Like something might happen here. Max can drive the green and make a birdie here, and if something goes wrong for John Rom, and a lot went wrong for him, he actually made a really good bogey that can flip the golf turner, right? You have to pass through that test.

It's kind of in a way like 17 at Sawgrass. I'm like, is that a genius hole? No, but with like a shitload of money on the line and the excitement of the back nine on Sunday, is that excited to watch? I have some frickin' lootly. And it's something about that hole really does work for me and where I can back myself into a corner here

is I think Randy gets a little carried away with the USGA wanting chaos. And I don't really agree with him there, but I do kind of agree here of like this concept it works on four and 10 for me, of like, hey, you're not gonna hit it like a perfect shot here. You're gonna hit it somewhere and you're gonna have an uncomfortable second

no matter what. You gotta avoid the landmines in some way. You gotta have a play crafty shots around the green. And it's just a test you have to pass. And it is a change of pace that is way more fun than a boring drivable for, and it's more fun than a driver wedge hole. And so I'm in on 10, I don't think it's brilliant. I really don't. I don't for and it's more fun than a driver wedge hole.

And so I'm in on 10. I don't think it's brilliant. I really don't. I don't even think it's that well designed, but it's like, I'm excited to watch pro golfers play that hole. Yeah, I just I think it was fun to hear from the players, right? I think there's a lot of value in like basically getting their opinion. And then you can sort of, you know, take the rent, you take a blank. Yeah, but they're just whining and that's awesome. So I think it was fun to at least least put the question to them. And you can see, to me, it was also sort of evidence of how a little bit soft the golf establishment is where all these people felt like they needed to respond and defend the

whole as if that had sort of basically spray painted the side of the Notre Dame cathedral. Come on, man, this is just a whole. it didn't look like that when it was designed. But so to speak of it in like these reverend terms of like George Thomas would be disgusted with, you know, this like, no man, like it's just a whole, it's just the grass. It's funny to me, like I think part of it is it's overrated because it's unique, right? And we just don't see anything like it. And so, you know, there's, I think it elicits strong, strong reactions, it's getting more and more severe in spots, but I think it's actually gotten more severe

over the last, what, five or 10 years. And it's, it seems like it's kind of stuck in the middle a little bit. It's like make it, make it even more bone if you try to drive it up there. And, you know, get caught under the lip or like make it easier to get boned up there to where, like make it drive it up there and get caught under the lip or make it easier to get boned up there to where make it more penal up there.

So, if you don't pull off the shot, you have to lay back. I was thinking about it today. I almost, like, if you added some link to it, I know this is just becomes like a golf equipment goes too far conversation. But I feel like if you did have to hit a longer shot in order to try to get there and you brought more of that risk of missing to the right where you're like truly boned. Back into play, I think then it becomes a, you know, more strategic and more interesting. But I think yeah, it becomes like a bit of a misnomer when you're like, oh, it's this great strategic hole. Did you see how John Rom, like, hit it into those bushes that we planted randomly back there? Like, that's brilliant.

And I'm like, yeah, I don't quite know about that. I think KVB, one of the things that was a great point off of your article that I didn't think of first, but a few different people I saw on Twitter and elsewhere we're talking about is, I think it's important to remember, you know, for 51 weeks of the year, this is a whole played by the membership. And I think for those people, it's a wonderful golf hole because I'm sure a handful of them have enough yardage to carry the bunkers to get it up close, drive it up the left, otherwise you're laying back. And so DJ, I know we don't want to just necessarily turn it into, well, yeah, it's a distance debate, but it seems like that's kind of what it is

when we're talking about this whole specifically for the PGA tour. And the only point I'll add is, you know, Nance mentioned at the end of the broadcast today, the women are coming here in 2026 for the US open. Like, it's got the potential to be the best hole on the court. Them, if they set it up in a way that that really makes the women decide whether they want to try to drive the ball and get it up there close. So I'm just a bit hesitant. I guess saying all that, I just wouldn't sit right with me to drastically

change the hole for one week a year. When I think it's kind of fun that these guys are a little triggered and oh, it's not fair, I don't get the balance, my good shot doesn't get a word. Like, yeah, man, just, just play like no sympathy for that. You also get to hit it into a fenced off area and like get a free job from that. Exactly. You know, I think the real culprit here, and we can talk about it on four as well, is the cacooia, because it's like the course

wasn't designed with that in mind, right? And so there's all sorts of variables being added from that. Like if this was just really, really nippy fescue or, you know, drive or muted, I don't think we'd be having the same conversation. But I mean, the point that a couple of them made is that the, that the, when the Olympics were here and they were brought in, that the grass got sort of trotted in for the polo, uh,

that was sort of part of the Olympics way back when. And that's how the Kakuya came in and like in the 20s. Uh, so, you know, it just, it wasn't like it at this in Hogan's day, where you could actually, he talked about four being one of the best par fours in the world, but that was Rory's point. It's not a bad hole. It just needs some adjustments. Take out, rip out of the Cuculia, easy to say. It's probably a $10 million sort of endeavor. And then the hole could be fine because you could choose to run it up and take on certain pins that way.

But the clear grass isn't exactly easy to eliminate. I need to get Neil out there out his horse, Dragon some non-native grasses, some golf courses we're not into. It's interesting. Kevin, before we boot you here to go get some riding, any Tiger takeaways from the week, I know you got to watch him play some golf this week and What are you what's your overall reaction? What we saw this week? It would have been really nice if the tournament director didn't make him play a pro-am or if the tournament director let him You know take a card So I think he should probably take that open tournament director. You know, he looked a little bit tired today

But I mean just way better in general than we saw him you know the last few times He seemed to be in pretty good spirits. I, you know, the last few times. He seemed to be in pretty good spirits. I think, you know, he did mention, you know, he's saying, I, he used to say, oh, you know, I'm going to split the majors and what else. He kind of hinted at, sorry, Greg Norman telecopter is lying over right now. He kind of hinted that we might see him in another PJ tour event this year. It might not be just the majors. So I don't know what that would be. It didn't, wasn't explicit about that. But, you know, he talked about, he gave the warrior

talk about how, every night it is a nice bath, and then it's reactivating the muscles, and then it's more ice, and how it's not pleasant, but that's just what athletes do, you know, get their lift in before our stuff. So it was, there were some fun Tiger touch points, but he was hanging around the 18th green and obviously getting ready stuff. And he gave Max a big hug and a big smile, and I was just sort of standing off the side thinking about how surreal that must be for Max to have

not only like one is tournament two years ago, but now I have a friendly relationship with him where Tiger is generally really happy that Max is involved in some stuff. That was pretty cool. He's still the biggest planet in the universe. I mean, I talked to working on a little piece that's just scenes from the week and talked to Aaron Rye for a little bit about. He went out during Tigers' pro-am and followed for like nine holes and just watched him hit shots and he was like super nervous and somebody, the Tiger's a, you know, Rob McImmera sort of said, you know, hey Aaron, come on over here and meet Tiger

and so, you know, he got to sort of meet him and he's like, that probably going to never happen if I've gone out of the Pro Am. So, now it was like a cool moment of like, you can see how some of the pros even still treat him like their kids and he's like this heroic figure. Kav, you mentioned kind of scenes. I know you that's kind of your your bread and butter. What was what was the big scene of the week for you? What was you know kind of your your favorite thing to be on the ground for that you would have missed otherwise this week? Yeah, I mean just getting to kind of it's funny like you know it's just a little bit self-serving but a couple guys coming up to me who I had never even met before I've been like, oh, we're so excited that you're with NLU now like

You know, that's kind of a cool thing to sort of Have people act like they're you know, they've read your shit before and they're excited to be part of it Honestly, like the thing that like it just happened a few minutes ago But the thing that I kind of took away is like you know, Max was like tearing up after, you know, not getting it done. And he was inside the scoring. And you could sort of tell he was like really, really like mad about what had gone down. But he sort of, you know, steal himself a little bit and then went outside, signed all these autographs for all these kids. And he just was like sort of

seething. But all these kids are screaming screaming screaming, you know, and he's kind of just making his way down the line kind of like still in his head processing everything that just happened. And that was just kind of a cool like look at, you know, the other side of professional sports. I mean, I think failure is always like more interesting in a lot of ways than success because it sort of makes people kind of question things about themselves. And, you know, Max has always really kind of gotten it done in the heat of things. And now has an example of like, you didn't quite get it done. And you could just see him kind of processing that. And that's a cool thing to be able to witness that you just couldn't get like on TV. Because, you know, once the cameras go away, they're sort of like really, they're giving you a realness that, you know, quite get.

Love it. I look forward to reading your thoughts on nolangup.com. I assume it will be available as of Monday. So KBV, thank you for making the trip and thank you for calling in. And we will see you again shortly, brother. Hell yeah. All right. The new title is TSR1 Drivers, designed to maximize performance for players with moderate swing speeds, like the word moderate, doing a lot of lifting here.

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glad I didn't tweet this because I am the ultimate cooler when it comes to this stuff. But rooting, like watching Max and rooting for him is so much fun because it just always feels like he's got it. Like it it's just he just keeps hitting good shots We've seen him do it so many times. It's not stressful like imagine when we watch speed and contention at any point Does that feel not stressful not one time ever has it not been extremely stressful yet watching Max do it feels I don't know It feels and there's a comfort level to it that it doesn't feel like there's no moment. It's too big for him So I don't have any big takeaways from a close call or, you know, not getting the job done if you will because it makes way more sense that you would mix in a close call where it

doesn't work out than it would to win every single time that you're in contention. I'm curious to you guys reaction to that. He just made so many damn pots. I mean, like watching him Thursday Friday, he was in complete control of his game. Didn't really have it as much Saturday, Sunday, as far as tea to green. Mr. Couple Puts today, but overall it was just like the guys he's putting his brains out right now. Gained 11.3 shots on the field, putting this week.

93 total Puts. It was yeah, first in the field. And he made Randy get this. He made 355 feet of P putting this week. It's 93 total puts. It was yeah, first in the field. And he made rainy get this made 355 feet of puts this week. How about that? Is that a readily available stat now? Oh, yeah, it's always it's up there in the. It's always been there in the in the. No, it's not publicly available.

I don't think that that's the that's the special. You got a they know people are just slavoured for that one. T.C. Exactly. Put it by the paywall. You got to have a D rider membership to get those numbers, baby. Yeah, I mean, like, but like it's kind of, it's kind of crazy for Max to be. He was T42 and in strokes getting off the tee.

Like that's normally his bread and butter is driving the driving the golf ball. So it's it's cool to see him finish first in putting for the week. It was second, you know, overall, but like, you know, irons were kind of they were like hot and cold here and there. He was missing left a little bit in spots. But like, I mean, shit, like on Friday, like the round we saw him play on Friday. I was like, that was, I mean, Thursday and Friday. I was so I was about right here, like run through a wall after watching him

both those days. It was just like the shots, he and to eight and nine and 11 made a mess on 12, 13. It was awesome. I just like, I love watching him play golf. I think it's maybe solid going to, or I guess kind of tying both of these points together. I think part of why it doesn't feel stressful to me, I think it's his tempo truly. It is like his tempo is so good that it just never looks like he's trying too hard. It never looks like he's missing

something wildly. When he gets the tempo going and he gets those like soft butter cuts falling right, I mean, it's just like game over. I mean, Tron, you were, you were kind of alluding to this on Slack earlier in the week, but like he's so clearly leveled up and raised his floor so freaking much that like, you know, talking about him in the same breath as a lot of these guys used to almost be kind of like, well, yeah, you're saying that like, because you're his buddy, and now it's very clearly not. Like, he is so truly one of the best players in the world, and it's kind of jarring to just it. He's ranked number eight in the world after. Yeah. Like, he's in the top 10 in the world now. It's crazy. Iarring to see it. He's ranked number eight in the world after this.

Like he's in the top 10 in the world now. It's crazy. I think the other thing too is like, they never miss reads. It doesn't seem like, or at least they didn't miss reads this week. If Max missed a putt, it was because it was, didn't have enough speed or he left it short or whatever, or it was too firm.

I just love listening to Joe and Max go through their process. And maybe it's a, I don't know, I hate to give credit to the aim point, express thing because I think I'm with you, Sally. I think it should be outlawed, but man, it's working for. It's something to Max gets, when he gets over the ball. It's like go time. There's not a lot of waggle. There's not a lot of linger time. It's like, I'm ready to roll.

I'm ready to hit it. And he plays with just this, the, the, he went down swinging. Here I am looking up the numbers. Like, well, Bogey here's going to cost him $400,000. Like just let's make sure we lock up second here. He, you know, drives it in the right trees and, and Joe asked him like, are we trying to make three?

And it was a quick answer of like, yes, like, are we trying to make three? And it was a quick answer of like, yes, like we are not going to, you know, Ram is in, you know, we were hoping for a Ram three-plot, I guess, and we're going to try to hold something out here to make this interesting because I mean, one, why wouldn't you? If you're him and you chipped in and then Danny will have three-plotted from three feet and you want to turn him in, like, of course, you're never going to give up after that. And hits the chip on 18 that was in and it was it was it was going to be moving quickly. But it was as about as straight on as it

could have been for a ball to to have popped out. And it's it was awesome, awesome, freaking week for him. And I forget who said it earlier about not being sitting here really bummed is a the brain, maybe the best compliment best test in the week and paid to how good his game is this year because this is third top three of the of 2023 already. He also to like again, I know this is like a personal thing, but like he hasn't turned into just a close all the walls. I'm a superstar now kind of guy, which is, which is awesome. Like he still somehow works harder and still

somehow has time for everybody and everything. But I was telling you guys before we came out, I was texting him Thursday. He shoots 64 outright leader at his favorite tournament on tour. And I knew that his wife and son were not there. So I'm like, what do you do now? What are you doing? He's like, well, this sports psychologist I'm working with, like convinced me to log out of social media. So I'm just sitting in the hotel just Google it stuff. And I was like, maybe my favorite, favorite visual ever, I think of just this like, like

budding golf superstar just like man, so bored, like what should I Google that is like just perfect. He was probably, he was probably talking to the Bing chat box. He might have been, I can't. It's a good thing we did in turn to Voluson, some of the AIs. My not a Tito again. We kind of zoomed past a little bit. We talked a little bit about ROMs moment there

with a shot on 16, but the pot on 14 as well. I mean, that thing just never left the middle of the hole. And that was just a divide, defining like steak in the heart moment. It wasn't over at that point, but that was just like, dude, how do you get around this guy? I really don't know how you do it. And he was number one in Strokes game approach on Saturday, number one in Strokes game approach on Sunday, number one stroke scene approach for the week and also gained over four and a half strokes on the greens. Basically didn't drive it as great as he could have this week and just he's freaking inevitable, man. I was gonna say and also like didn't feel like he had his best stuff somehow. Right? Shot 265 this week and I didn't have his best stuff. I could have been better.

Listen, should I have mentioned the Grand Slam thing? No, but should I like, I was the point I was trying to make was like, this is about the Grand thing. I think it's really think about it. This feels like it just a different kind of heater. I'm sure there's been a results period that look somewhat similar and even from other players, but this kind of level of play feel from, I maybe I just got been watching a shitload of golf to start this year. But from what I'm seeing, it's just like, dude, there's one guy right now that is up there every single time in a 10 and it's incredible.

I know I said this a couple of weeks ago too when we did the the AMX pod, but the most impressive thing about Ram possibly other than just consistency is the fact that he does it everywhere. There's a lot of these guys that are like kind of horses for courses and they, you know, that they're going to play really well on, you know, this type of place or they're not going to play really well at this type of place, but like he goes out and he wins Coppola, he wins Amex and he wins Riviera. It's just like no, he just like is the best golfer like he's just gonna win Just roll out the balls like let's let's see what happens like Rob's gonna win It has nothing to do with the course or just he gets a slight edge here or whatever like he just wins He's trying like I think he's coming for Rory or I think he's already come for Rory and like

Rory needs to punch back because it's, I mean, Rory had like this C minus game this week. It seemed like and still, still fought pretty valiantly. But I mean, even like, I mean, Ram, I thought he was dead in the water after 11 today. 11, like he made a mess on 10, made a mess on 11, still made par and then bogey 12. And I'm like, oh, shit, like this is, this is maxes to lose. And then he just, you know, 14 happens, 16 happens. And he just, just buckles down down the stretch. It's crazy. A lot of people in the comments calling out that I'm forgetting about cheflers run last

year. I must say about that. You're exactly right. I definitely have been this, this has happened more recently. But even mixed in there, like, Sheffler went T 55 at the players and surrounded all that run, you know, that run of wins with like a T 15 T 18 T 20 T 25. Like, Rob doesn't do that. He doesn't go outside the top 10. And yeah, he doesn't have like the four wins yet to match that kind of heater. But that's kind of what I'm saying is it's not like a is it going to be there this week like no it is into a point where I I'm not betting against I will probably put it'll be plus 200 to win the next tournament he plays probably and yeah, the player, they'll have the ultimate heat check like like I feel like there's there's a this is a delineating point in the season where guys are going to Florida, you know, tonight, tomorrow morning, and, hey, how's that gonna, you know, is your game going to travel with you to Florida? Different type of grass, different type of golf course, water everywhere. You can't, like, ROM, if he misses it left off the

tee, like he did today, he's, he's reteeing on a lot of these courses, you know. What, uh, let's, let's, before we go down the leaderboard too much, I want to pause a little bit on, on RIV. We talked a little 10th hole, uh, with KVV, um, when he was on a minute ago, but I think every year before RIV, we get into it and we, you know, it's RIV week, uh, it's the best week on tour. It is. And I'm kind of like, you know, what, like, is it a little overrated? Maybe like, is it? And every year I come back and fatically on this show on Sunday night to say, no, it is not. It is. It's, there's not any like one or two holes that are so incredible that it, you know, is what

you would, that, that's what you tune in for. Like the sum of its parts is freaking incredible. It is the best golf course in the PJ tour to watch ESPN plus in the morning into golf channel into CBS in the afternoon because you'll never get tired of watching guys play those holes. The firmness just adds so many different layers to it. It kind of shined through today. I thought when Keith Mitchell blew one way right on the third hole, he had 75 yards in with a fricking lob wedge out of a great lie in almost non-existent rough. And the announcer's just like, yeah, he's got no shot here, like no shot. And that is just the testament to great design that leads to even if you're not like a crazy

architecture appreciator or, you know, you don't like think in this way, it leads to what you're watching being really interesting. And each shot having consequence to it. And we're about to enter a stretch. Maybe after the master starts a stretch where it's like, hey, hit the ball as far as you can and figure it out. And that's like how tour golf gets really sleepy in the summer.

And it just is amazing to me how much this week stands out and how much how many quality golf shots are required. And that just shined through a lot this week for me. Rainier, I know this is your favorite event on tour. What how did it hold up? What do you what do you love about it? Another another great addition truly. It always feels much closer to a major than it does, you know, a regular week to week tour stop for me.

I also think there's a little bit of, you know, it's the last event of the West Coast swing. And as somebody that's always been my favorite portion of the PGA tour season of the calendar, it's just kind of the ultimate cherry on top of what is, I think, like the best six, seven week stretch of the of the season, non-major, non-major division. I will say the only thing that I really notice this week and it's it's been like the first time I've noticed it, but gosh, how much better would this week have been if the live boys were there, right? This was one week a year where I'm like, God, it's really a shame that they can't figure it out to really get the best field possible

at a course like this, because adding a camsmith and a DJ and a field guys who've had a lot of success there, it's just what it made it even better. But it was wonderful. It's wonderful every year. I totally agree with whoever made the point. I can turn on a feature group in the morning and I see the course. I see all the shots and I'm still excited to watch the main feed in the afternoon. I can't speak higher of the event. What other weeks even fall into that category for any of you? Like non-major division.

I mean, I feel that way and the majors and I feel that way and the players and honestly I don't really know what other weeks I'm waking up and like Thursday give me some featured groups. I think it's in a class of its own Right there, but like I think there's some others that I do that for but not quite as much like I love Harbortown I love watching guys play Harbortown. I'm so excited for this year where it's it's gonna be a elite field I would say memorials probably in that harbor town bucket as well, to where like, you know, like, and Pebble do it, like Pebble do it extent, just because I like watching guys play that golf course. But, you know, it's one of those things where it's just the crazy part here is how much better RIV could seemingly

be with a little bit more TLC and a little bit more like, you know, like fixing the fairway on one, right? Or some of the runoff areas or the Kukuia here more like, you know, like fixing the fairway on one, right? Or some of the runoff areas or the Kukuya here or there, it's just like it's, it's just such a great golf course. George Thomas was a fucking baller. It sounds like the Kukuya problem is bigger than a quick fix. I think it was a Friday. You're just for the listeners sake.

Of course for years. For the listeners sake, I think it was Friday that wrote about us. I heard somebody refer to it about how you have to dig out like four feet down to the core of where that stuff is growing from, I think. So it is a problem with it. But I'm also like, you know, I saw Andy's comments this week calling for kind of a restoration renovation to it as well. But I was like, man, what a great testament to RIV that I still think it's the best and

it like could use a bunch of work, right? In terms of it, I just love the style of golf. It's not going to be thick rough and you're not just like dead when you go into the rough, but you're going to pay a price in a totally different way. And it's probably because of contouring. It's probably because of elevation change. It's probably because of bunkering.

And there is a right side and a wrong side of the fairway to miss and watching tiger chase angles. And like some golf courses it absolutely does not matter if what angle you're coming in at trying to approach some of these greens but like if you watch the golf this week no one that even understood the game even a little bit would say like oh yeah it doesn't really matter which angle you come in from Riviera like oh I had some people some people well yeah I get that in my mind I week. You saw you're in luck then, because LACC's much better than RIV. Really?

Like it's gonna be fucking awesome, man. It's gonna be incredible. And I think it's also kind of a commentary on the rest of the venues in the PGA tour, for sure. That like this one's, you know, and I realize that there's reasons why. And, you know, this is kind of a special case. And, you know, a great course in a major metropolitan

area. This random old, you know, Japanese real estate mogul owns it. Like, it's very much like, you know, its own thing, but man, I wish, I wish something like this existed in Philly or in Boston or in Chicago or Cleveland, you know. Yeah. I think that kind of speaks a little bit to the CBS stuff too, in that like CBS has been great on the West Coast swing and I'm very curious

what it looks like when they don't have like the course in the field to lean on like they have, right? Like it'll be curious to see how much of that is doing the lifting because yeah, venues, the venues matter, man. That was the start of the show this week and and it just makes it so clear how the best players can separate themselves on these venues. And it's just, I don't know, awesome week.

Wouldn't have changed the thing other than maybe a couple of strokes Max's way. But that's the craziest thing with the venues. The venues, that matters. I would watch anybody play this golf course. And then you go down the leaderboard here and you got like, I'm not going down the leaderboard yet. And I'm like, I'm here, yeah. You have Ram, Max,

can't lay, Mr. Toolman, Will's out, Torres, Keith Mitchell, Saithe, Colin Moorakawa, a random Matt Kutri side-in. Don't skip Kutri. Jason Day, Gary Woodland, Adam's Fence and playing great golf right now. Like that, like Scotty Schuffler, T12, Shane Lowry.

I mean, there's just like that's a fluster leader board. Harris English and like, and some people out there might be saying, like, well, of course, it's designated events like a WGC, you know, of course, the leaderboards going to be great. But like, no, there's still a shitload of players in these fields. This is the guys in the people next year. There's not going to be this many guys. But at this point, there are still a lot of chances. But it's just, yeah, it, this is an identifier of talent.

And both the last two weeks, I thought, I mean, Nick Taylor was kind of an upset, you know, kind of a good curveball that was thrown in last week. But you look at the top fives the last two weeks. Like, I will say, I'm curious your guys thoughts. This one felt elevated to me. This felt designated, this one felt like a bigger PGA Tour event. Bigger than last week, like last week did not.

It was like maybe 10, 15% better than a normal week or normal waste management. But this felt even bigger at RIV to me and it felt like, all right, you know, a little bit of patience. I probably was still a little too hard or a little too worried about these designated events last week, because if I had a way to week, I'd say like that felt different and do it, not to transition this into a live conversation.

That's a tough one to follow. I would not want to be having my first event following that event this week. Yeah, I think, I think the only thing about last week versus this week is maybe like the golf is the superstar this week, right? And at Phoenix for a lot of very, very, very good reasons that they absolutely should not change. Like the golf isn't always going to be at the forefront. Like it doesn't, it doesn't feel like a very serious golf competition when

you've got people hucking beers and, you know, streaking and doing the whole thing. It's, it's great. Well, don't change it, but that, but that's never gonna feel like a major. Whereas this, like on Saturday, Friday night, Saturday night, I was like, fuck, this feels like a major championship. Like it was, it was in a class of its own. T.C. why don't you tell us about the big story about the guy that finished third this week,

what he had going on this week, what he was constructing. Oh yeah, he was, he really built, built a week, man. Capacitor Cantlay, 68, 67, 68, 67, you know, it was like a DIY project in four phases. You explain why this joke is going. Yeah, it's, I'm beat, I'm really, I'm really hammering at home, drilling into various brains. I nailed it right Can't lay has a deWalt sponsorship on the side of his hat. It's so at Goldman Sachs the ultimate man's man double there It's you know, it's a shame that golden shuttered Marcus their consumer lending division

So can't take out some sort of you know line of equity or you know division, so I can't take out some sort of, you know, line of equity or, you know, home loan to do these fixer-upper projects. But yeah, I just, it's just, I've been cracking up all weekend at Pat Cantley, DIY home improvement. Pat, the, Pat the tool, man, Cantley. Also, T.C. just with his pace, he's a guy that really measures twice and cuts once. Well, he played with Ram on Thursday and Friday. I know Ram, Ram doesn't like slow play and I know Ram was getting a little hot under the collar. It's just, you know, patty ice is very, very slow.

Kind of like a painter, right? He's in the painting. You want to done writer you want to done fast? So exactly. So we're at your toys at once. Yeah, Rainy, you stepped away. I already made that joke. We're going to we're going to get like no.

We are going to be beating that that one into the ground for the rest of eternity. Because it is the is one of the best pair ups and sponsorships that I've seen of anyone. If I could pick one guy on tour that I don't think does his own DIY projects, he would be Patrick Kelly. Good to see him show in some semi-seriousness. Good to see him show some signs of life. It's been kind of absent for most of the the West Coast swing, but excited to see him see him playing well. It only makes it more interesting when he's up there threatening to threatening the NABA title from one of these guys. Before we get going too far down the board, do we want to, can we talk about the cat?

I think we, we, we may be the only golf podcast that goes 50 some minutes before, before mentioning the Tiger Woods played in this past PGA tour event this week and, and drew a crowd and held his own and you know, the we're not looking for that Sunday 73. That was not the, you know, the note we wanted to go out on. Couldn't make it. But T.C. What's your reaction to the golf we saw out of Tiger Woods this week? Yeah. I wasn't expecting him to play so well on Saturday. I think that was probably the one that was like, whoa, it goes out, what'd he shoot on Saturday?

67, four hundred. 67, yeah. So much speed. It was crazy how much speed he had going. Potter looked a little bulky kind of all week. You know, put it, put it well in spurts. But Irons look good. He still had, you know, he had some weird,

like you just lay subtle for like a 75 yard wedge. It's rusty. But man, like considering like, you know, all things considered crazy, crazy, impressive performance. I'm a little bit disheartened to hear him say he's going to try to play all four majors. Like I do not think he needs to be going to Rochester and May at all. I, I am super curious to see maybe he meant the players instead of the PGA. That's true. Interesting. I'm super curious to see if the process of recovery this year is different than it was last

year, right? Because he, he played all four rounds of the masters last year. He made the cut at the PGA, but he withdrew after Saturday. And he missed the cut after two rounds, of course, at the open championship. And so he only went all four days once last year. And it just kind of seemed to me that he had a little bit more spring in the step, a little bit more. I was less afraid of his knee like falling off as he's walking down the fairways and walking up hills and things like that. Maybe after four days plus a pro-am, he's probably not feeling great tonight and his swing speed was way down his ball speed

was actually way down today. I don't I think it was maybe not the best sign of how he aged throughout the course of a week. But I wonder if this year might just be a little bit different. He added this tournament like, is the players out of question? If he wants to be competitive at the Masters, what's the best route forward? Is it to rest up for a month and a half or is it to get one more rep in between? Does he need a full month in between starts now to get fired back up again? I don't know the answer. I don't think he has the answers to that. But I am optimistic that we would see him at the players. I think that would probably make more sense than Bay Hill. Do you guys agree? It's like once a month, right? Like try to get one once every five weeks,

six weeks, I guess? Yeah, I don't know. I would guess. I would rather see him at the players. I think he seems like he would, his skills would shine more there than they would at Bay Hill. But I mean, he's also won at Bay Hill 56 times. So who knows? Maybe that's drawing him there. Randy, what do you, what are you feeling? It is chocolate. Yeah, Rani is looking like the guy that LG commercial, but down there, just looking like he's full of wonder. I was like, this is going to be really bad guys.

I apologize in advance, but I'm talking about Tiger in one some month, maybe, Chuckle. I know we're going to get your butt. Come on. I didn't even know. I made it. Come on. Maybe we should, you know, maybe we should avoid that. You know,

God, maybe you could get on a regular schedule. That might be nice for him. That's enough. How do you? We're not doing that. We're not doing that. Cody, can you drop him for 30 seconds? Just give him a 30. Like, like, what are they doing around the world? They drop in the icebox. Put them in the car. We're gonna get the name. I can't get the name. I'm not kidding. I was joking. I was just saying the once a month thing,

even though I didn't, I didn't put the name in the car. No, I should have given it up. Randy tried to hand it to us and we dropped it right away. We're gonna be the canceled one out of all that. How am I, how am I canceled? I was just sitting here, minding my own business. All right. No, it was laughing.

All right, we gotta talk about the tampon. Well, I'll say we'll go to you first and Randy, we gotta talk about tamp own business. All right. I was laughing. All right. We got to talk about the tampon. Well, I'll say, we'll go to you first, and Randy, we got to talk about tampon gate. You got to leave the charge then. Now you brought it up. Listen, I think four guys talking about whether it was offensive is probably not the best way to approach it. I pulled a couple females that I ran into at various times since it happened. And all of them agreed that, yeah, it's just like it's dumb

It just seems so unnecessary. I get that it wasn't like a big deal I'm sure he wasn't meaning to offend anybody but at the same time it's just like man It's Half the population is is gonna take it in a way that's way different than you and Jake. It just felt like such an unforced air. I guess is what it really comes down to. And as a guy who's got a daughter and who's had a long history of some questionable off-course

stuff, it just felt really stupid. Like how could he not see the downside from that? I don't know. It just felt like a big, a big unforced air. It is. Do you have an insulin for it? No, of course not. And he apologized.

I thought I was a little bit of a merely mouth apology, but you know, I think we can all say, yeah, it was like really stupid. And you know, that's fine. It's a bit like the apology reign is going to issue tomorrow. If anybody was offended by that, I'm sorry, but when we're talking, it's a different thing. So it's totally, you know, it's between the four of us.

It's locker room humor. I think all of us have played in about 600 groups, where somebody has said the hit it with your purse next time, joke and, you know, I think, I don't know, speaking personally, it's like, did I kind of stop making those jokes when I was like 13 from a like, yeah, maybe this is not very funny anymore. It's kind of a shitty thing to say. I definitely struggle with the like, I'm offended by this. No, you're actually not. Let me explain why type of mindset online. I don't think that's very good for anybody,

but I'm with you, Randy, that it's like, is this the end of civilization? Like, probably not. But does he need to do considerably better? I would say so. It is so perfect for everything to get lost in the gray area of on Twitter in terms of like, exactly what you said of, this one funny one and like yeah

there's like people are gonna be offended by this into oh why are you trying to cancel him for it why are you why are you so offended by this like I don't I don't think anyone's like horrifically offended like this there's there's there's there's varying levels of this right but all of that gets lost in the discourse so incredibly fast and that was like amazing to just watch of this is what's wrong with our society And all that chatter of like could it maybe be less dramatic than that? I would I would say so right? I'm not diminishing at all the like the people that like this does offend That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying the reaction to the reaction is what is just like dude take it away Take it all away like there's a conversation to be had here

as to like, why this is offensive to people, right? Like, we can have that conversation without like, crying about the end of, you know, humor and all that. Cause again, it wasn't, like, it was just not like funny, right? It's just, it's soft moor, but like, that's what, that's who Tiger is, right? Like, he's, if you read the Tiger Woods Armored Cate in book, like, the jokes that he always goes back to

and has gone back to since he was a teenager, it's like teenage level humor. And I think people around him have laughed at everything he's done for the last 30 years, and it's probably gonna continue, but it was too perfect. It was right there teed up of like, I can see how the next 36 hours are gonna play out. Yeah, can I say in, again, I'll preface shitty thing, not funny.

All of those things, I'm well aware of that. It also struck me as like a dude who doesn't really like know how to be a normal guy, like trying to let his guard down and like be funny. Yeah. Which is like, in like connect with somebody, you're like connect with JT. Yeah. Which is like really weird and kind of sad depending on how far you want to pull that thread out. But it's a, it's an interesting.

I thought the, yeah. The apology was like for me, it was like a very much like a bill parcel. It was like no offense to anyone kind of thing. It's like, all right, well, dude, like, you need to kind of own it a little bit. And, you know, like everybody's gonna, gonna move past it a little bit better

if you just say like, hey, you know what, I fucked up, I'm sorry. Like, instead of like, you know what, like, I know what it looks like, but I promise like, if you knew what was in my heart, it's not offensive. It's like, no, that doesn't change anything. That doesn't quite so. Yeah. But I mean, again, enough also if I'm him,

like I don't want people like rushing to Google to like search Tiger Woods tampon because again, that this is, this would be results, the second instance that would be, that would come up in the Google search now and it's like people being reminded of the first instance of that. And like that's, again, if you're something with this kind of history, I would have steered way, way, way clear of that. But that's, yeah, that's, that, that is obviously not the case.

So. I feel like we're treating it with the proper regard of like we're an hour into the show. We spent a few minutes talking about it. I think we're pretty unequivocal of like, hey, it's just, you know, it was stupid, unnecessary, like clearly offensive to certain people or to a wide swath to more than half of the population.

That's no joke, that's a big swath. Yeah. And, you know, and like, you know, offensive to people who aren't even in that type of population and just like not funny. So that's that. I don't think the woke mobs listen in an hour in TC. I think we're good. I do got to, uh, I got to tell you guys about this, the the rambler 18 ounce bottle of Yeti. All right,

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And they're going to bring you a new segment on a few shows this year. It is the Yeti coldest moment of the week. This we are going to play it very fast to loose with the use of cold. You do not even need to use some kind of representation of cold in there. But TC, I'm going to throw it to you. What was your Yeti coldest moment of the week? Oh, you know what? I go back to, uh, I can't remember if it was 2019 or 2020.

Our guy who shirt was ripping apart at the seams. The first bucket CEO, yeah, Mr. DelRoso, the CEO of Genesis North America. Uh, I miss him. I missed him even more today when the, when seat, when, when, when or Del Rozo, the CEO of Genesis North America. I miss him, I missed him even more today when CBS was so cold as to play the CEO interview that's mandated by the corporate sponsorship title contract during the 10th hole. When these guys were playing the 10th hole,

which everybody was talking about all week, all we wanted to just hole when these guys were playing the 10th hole, which everybody was talking about all week. All we wanted to just watch is these guys play the 10th hole and they're playing, you know, like basically the entire thing is like a playing through. It was Max and Rom. It was like a Genesis CEO. It looked like the pivotal moment of the tournament and it was, it was a rare, a rare miss from them because they've been on a good trip, but that was tough. Yeah, we'll get into hamster, damn. I didn't think it was CBS's best, best day today. I thought they really struggled today. DJ called us a moment of the week.

Uh, I'm going to go back to throw some red meat to TC. Uh, you know, my, my friend Max is chasing down another win at his, his favorite tournament. Ram hits a horrendous shot on 17, uh, on Friday. Bangs it off the grandstand rolls up to four feet for an eagle and ends up But if you're not a fan, you're not a fan at that moment. T.C. Anything else you want to close the loop on there? No, you're good. I think you covered it all. All right.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank moment. TC, anything else you want to close the loop on there? No, you're good. I think you covered it all. All right. Thank you. Randy, what's your coldest moment of the week?

Tully, I, um, you, you were in the cool, you were in the freezer. You were in the Yeti Cooler for this whole season. I had not won a bet. but my coldest moment of the week was unlocking that Yeti cooler, pulling you out and congratulating you on your first draft Kings correct pick of the PGA tour season. So well done, sir. That's unbelievable. Wasn't like, it was like 60 bets in a row that you've missed. We're going too long on this segment, DJI. I can't revisit all this. Okay. This is going to take it way too long here. row that you've missed. Well, we're going too long on this segment, DJ. I can't revisit all this. Okay. This is going to take it way too long here. But that's almost impossible.

You would think so, but we are going to move on from that. My coldest moment, the PJ tour is moving on. The coldest moment of the week goes out to Ian Baker Finch, a cold call. I love this one. After Ram bangs a 60 footer in on the 14th, Holy gave a shout out to the popular golf podcast. He actually said the words no laying up. I'm like our friend Trevor Emelman, say, that's why they call him the buoy.

He just doesn't go under. He doesn't sink. I forget what it was, but it just goes to show how mainstream this nickname is. And we've known that for quite some time because so many people, you don't need to shout us out because everyone calls on that. Okay, I don't need that call out, but that was my coldest moment of the week shout out to Ian Baker-Fench for that one.

I got some Uber Eats the other day. Driver pulls up first thing he wants to ask me about the buoy. What's going on with this guy, the buoy everyone's talking about, and also the OWGR. He said, Diva is the OWGR. Is it talent? Is it even valid? And the H.S. is too. Yeah.

T.C. I'll talent. Is it even valid in the H.S. talk about it is too. Yeah. T.C. I'll give you 150 seconds to go as far down the leaderboard as you'd like, but you got to use your time. That's the amount of time you're going to get. Okay. And you got to say something. You got to say something about each guy.

That's like two and a half minutes. So I think I can do that. All right. Time in it. Keith Mitchell, just a great tournament. He's great West Coast twins for Keith Mitchell going back to to Palm Beach where I know he's comfortable. Wheels out. Yeah, he is.

Wheels out. Torres 64 today. He's coming. Good to see him. Healthy, doing well. He's back. He's coming. Sohith drove it like dog shit this week, almost dead last in the field of the guys who made the cut off the tee. And I talked to Adam Long, aka the shlong. He called him Phil Mickelson 2.0. He said he was getting up and down from everywhere.

It was outrageous. This won't go against your time. This won't go against your time. I'm pausing your time, but I will say it's like a chess man. Yeah, it's adorable. I love like how much you downplay your driving. We got to get that figured out, buddy. We got we got to get that figured out because you're going to win golf tournaments if you

start to drive it well. You were fourth in stroke skate approach, third around the green and did not gain some shots putting this week. We have 60 seconded strokes game off the tee. We need to we need to get that figured out. I'm done laughing about how bad you're driving it. Okay, let's go. It was really, really bad.

It was really bad. It was really bad. It was really bad. It was really bad. It was really bad. It was really bad. It was really bad. It was really bad.

It was really bad. It was really bad. It was really bad. It was really bad. It was really bad. It was really bad. It was really bad. It was really bad.

It was really bad. It was really bad. It was really bad. It think he's, he's officially back. Gary Woodland played some good golf this week. We talked to Svenson earlier. Sheamus power. We got a shout out the Irish. He finished T14. Nice 67 69 on the weekend. Lee Hodges got a lot of run after rounds one and two 67 66 cooled off on the weekend. You're going to skip my guy Jenny McCarthy like that.

With the eagle on, eagle on 10. Yesterday. Yeah. Very, very cool, very cool. Justin Thomas, solid positive. We need to talk about Justin Thomas at all. I've now learned 150 seconds. There's too much for this segment, but I mean, yeah, sure. What do you want to say?

Yeah, I don't know. It's just, I just want to see a little bit more consistency. I want to see a little bit more, like, put your nose in there, getting the mix. And that is kind of like what I'm referring to when I'm getting extremely hyped about Rom of like, yeah, JT had a good week last week, and then it's back down. And, you know, Rory kind of not really

in the picture this past week or the week before. And Rom is on the other end of the spectrum on that, right? It's watching him beat the best players in the world, this consistently is what has amazed me more than it's like, do we, are we concerned about Justin Thomas finishing T20? And then the last thing I had was big tone and Tommy tying T20. I will seed the rest of my going down the leaderboard time. If I could bank after our future year. Okay. I also I do want to call out some guys. Tony, a choir or a gira in the comments here saying, T.C. Can we please talk about the lack of creativity

on the outfits today? It was the navy top gray pants, navy top khaki pants show today. I have to agree, Tony, it was pretty, it was like solid dressed everybody else. Just say, what was the issue? I don't understand. It was pretty boring. It was pretty, you know, like Keith Mitchell, you look great all week because he's wearing the cashmere sweaters and he looked awesome in those off-white pants on Saturday. But everybody looked like dog shit today. It was crazy. It's kind of, it's getting kind of hard to find anything that's not navy these days. I feel like TC, I don't know if you agree with that or not,

but it's there's a there's a definite Navy over overload going on. I know that's not not new for for golf for the last 50 or so years, but yeah, it's hard to get hard to push it. Is Navy the new black? It's possible. I think that's probably right. You know what? Like we're in L.A. It's fashion town. You know, people should be, should be trotting some stuff out. Colin, maybe you should have tried it out. Those olive, all of pants, no spoilers. No, no Netflix spoilers in this show. We're not going to spoil anything on this one. But you want to do a little bit of hamstered him. Please. CBS this week, general thoughts.

I will say, I'll start with this. Another great segment on the 10th hole, the CBS stroll. Don't love the name, that's fine. We'll move past it really quickly. Colin Moore, Kyle of playing the 10th hole on Saturday, perfect hole to do it. And I wanted to just shout out again why I think this thing keeps working is,

I think the DB World Tour does like interviews in between holes on guys. And that was kind of an innovative thing, but it just seems extremely surface level to me. I'm like, hey, how are you feeling? How's your game? And there's rarely a lot you can glean from that, but like a walk-and-talk with Trevor running the conversation of like explain to me this about this whole. Having some time to be able to linger on it and spend on it, talking about the craft, like watching more a Cala go through all of his options for the second shot, he was going to play

on that 10th hole and explaining what he was maybe going to be trying to do was one of the best ones yet. And look, it's Moorakawa. Like we've commented on this. Is he the most outrageous off-course personality? And does he bring a ton of flair to the game? Not necessarily. But Moorakawa talking golf and golf specifics and commenting on the guys that are hitting

up, hitting their shots up and saying, I want to see what he does from there like that kind of color is what moves a Saturday broadcast along and I thought it was another knocked out of the park and again, I've said this every time guys should be lining up to do this. It is great exposure for you. It's great for your PIP great exposure for the sponsors on your shirt. It is just good entertainment. You're going to gain fans by it. I cannot say enough great things about it. They should keep it going. I thought I thought Saturday coverage was great. I thought Friday coverage on golf channel was awesome. Like Friday, like Friday late afternoon or the evening, you know, some of that was the last few groups were already like the leaders with, you know, already like the leaders with, you know, Rahm out there, Max was out there, like it was awesome golf, there weren't that many commercials, they had a great rapport going between Byram

and like with Kurt Byram, Cole, Terry Ganon, you know, whole crew out there. I thought Sunday was very lacking though. I thought they lost, kind of lost the plot early, didn't manage commercials very well. I don't know if there's more commercials on Sundays than there are on Saturdays now. Feels that way.

I mentioned that earlier, Sally. Kind of a weird lack of protracer on some of the holes as well. I thought the camera work was just all over the place. Before you continue here, TC, let's check it on the Chubb classic here. Bernhard Longer rackin' up another win on that one. Yeah, just weirdly time breaks and stuff. I thought today it did not flow great. And the Tiger Interview stayed live for a really long time.

I'm not a, why are you showing this guy? He's 30 shots back guy at all, but you can play some golf over it, and you can also tape that interview and play the interesting parts of it, and that they seem to have always struggled with that. So still some ways to go. Listen gonna we're gonna stay on you. It's not all we're not out of the woods The tour is not out of the woods on any of this. We're gonna stay with a watchful eye on all the decisions They're making and CBS you're not out of the woods just yet Randy

I got a bone to pick yeah that that that graphic that they're trot now on the par Through a predictable Yeah, why why we don't need it. We don't want it man graphic that they're trot now on the par three. A predictapar. Yeah. Why? Why? We don't need it. We don't want it. We, I would like to opt out of that. It would be much better served on par fours and par fives with drives. Right. So you can get a general sense like, oh, God, it's going to, looks like it's going to miss the fairway. Like what kind of bounces it going to take. Right. But don't, one of the few suspenses, right?

The rum was at 14 or 16. He made the birdie where he loved it. Right off the impact, right? Like that's one of the most suspenseful moments where we hear him say, Oh, be right or be good. And our computer is telling us that it is. Exactly. I just don't we need the eye test. Look, Paul, let us see where it ends up. I hate it. I hate it. I props for trying something new and trying, you know, rolling out new stuff, but we don't need it on par threes, especially. I love your idea of getting it on the t-shirts. That's I think it's brilliant. The yardage book thing that they flash up there, the front and the pin and the back of the green,

that is great. And they have this gross, they had the scoring average from different spots on number 10 when guys were playing that whole, they had a risk reward hole. Way in on that, it's just I agree that, I saw Aaron Fliener or somebody was tweeting about like having to put a piece of paper up on their screen

to like not spoil the results. I don't think that's the experience the viewers are looking for. It's like a point. Yeah, they. They're pointing their TV to cover it. Come on. Guys, I also got to say something about, I thought it was such a good, you want to talk about growing the game? Hashtag, growing the game. Don't worry about TCC. Exactly. It's hot in the streets right now, right? So a bunch of people get probably get ESPN plus this week Because they want to watch pj tour live because they had featured coverage of tiger

Is you know what tiger doesn't really play anymore and tiger doesn't play in pj tour events anymore Just plays in the majors from the most part So this is one of the only times probably for the rest of his career that you can get tiger on pj It's where live so I'm sure they got some new subscriptions and. And they charted out, it's like they did not think one time about who to put on the broadcast call for that. And I just, I don't know. I just thought it was such a poor, the production was poor.

The, it was, like I watch a lot of PGA tour live and I listen to a lot of PGA tour radio. PGA tour radio is awesome. Like they do such a good job on there. PGA tour live, it's tougher to produce that, right? It's tougher to, you know, you got a skeleton crew, you got all the little handheld mics and all that. I get it. But I just, I thought it was such a ham-fisted production this week. I thought, I thought Christina Kim, she just, I just can't do it, man. I just, I can't do it at all.

And she's, you know, she's quoted me in the past on like when I've criticized it, and it's like, I'm just trying to be objective here. Like, I'm not being a bully, I'm not being a sexist, I'm not being anything. I just like, it's just not good. And like Michael Collins suggested that Tiger putted it

into the bunker on, on six on purpose to set up his third shot. And I thought, like I thought he was joking, but he wasn't, he was serious. Like that was the kind of shit we were getting the whole time. It was crazy. But Tiger also might say that. Like that is a thing that Tiger might say in the press conference afterwards.

Like, oh, yeah, oh, that was a great miss. I was totally fine. That's what Gene Lillard used to do. Back in the old LA open. I watched a lot of guys do that when I was a kid. I thought better chance to make three from there. Listen, I'll balance the scales a little bit. And I will I'll say that with the West Coast swing, the CBS has, has built up a lot of equity with me. I didn't notice these things as much because I was generally just psyched to, psyched to be there. And you know, a lot of that was, a lot of that was just raising the floor of the past

couple of weeks. So, and you know, do I want to see any backsliding TC? No, I don't absolutely not, but, you know, on the whole, I think West Coast swing compared to where we've been in the past, if we're grading on a curve, I'm giving them an A. But, you know, maybe an A-minus, maybe the cum was brought down to an A-minus today, which I still think is a success.

I'm kind of fascinated, honestly, the, I don't have a ton of, not really geeked for the Honda Classic next week, but I am interested to see, like, how different the TV product looks. NBC's got to be kind of sitting back, being like, fuck me. And why is everybody, everybody's supposed to be ripping these guys? Like now, it's going to be ripping us. Yeah. So I'm curious, curious if they have any new features to roll out. If they're rolling out a little software update this week, or if it's just going to be the same old like, you know, sorry, man, peacock loss, $900 million. So golf's going to have to tighten the belt a

little bit. Like it's been the last year or so. Or they could just bring back some features that they took away from us. Sure. Like just get us, just get us back to level set here. And also like, like, I'm not, I thought CBS, I would give them, like, grade wise, I would give them an A minus for like the West Coast swing. I thought they were fantastic. They've done an awesome job, like, raise their game, sell their shy in the crew, like hats off to you. Like most of my criticism this week was just around like

everybody's trying to watch featured groups of Tiger Woods on Thursday, Friday and really today. And like I had to watch on fucking you. It was that bad. And like just or just give me the option to like to do it with like ambient noise. Like I just wanna hear the players and the caddies and like I don't need any commentators. I'm just watching it on like ambient noise. Like I just want to hear the players and the caddies and like, I don't need any

commentators. I'm just watching it on a second screen. There was a they did a great job with Tiger on the other side of the golf course and not losing track of the of the golf tournament. I thought that was just a great mix like Saturday really worked in that regard. And the golf course felt full on both sides, which I was actually a little worried about like Tiger taking people away from the exciting part of the golf tournament, but that was, that was definitely not the case. So, hey, we didn't talk speed at all. Well, I would say overall on CBS and like the things that I think we probably have issues

with are still like at the top level, like the level that gets, it starts way before tournament week starts, right? Like, it's not on the guys in the truck that are currently pressing the buttons to like be able to avoid this CEO interview and the amount of commercials and all that stuff is decided by the being counters and the toward and all that stuff. But yeah, speed. You want to talk, uh, you want to talk speed? Yeah, I think we're good. I think I don't know. I feel like I feel like we just got to acknowledge like, are we concerned? Yeah. I've been trying to tell you. I'm freaking far from OK, T.C.

Who was not concerned right now? I mean, the putting is an issue. Let's just get him off Poana. And let's see how we do on permuta. T.C. we were 88th in Stroke's game putting this week. And we beat through two rounds. 50 guys. 40 guys.

Actually, I'm sorry. he was 114th and round one, 88th and round two. So whatever that adds up to, so we beat 30, 30 guys. Yeah, he lost about three strokes on the, on the greens, got to think, you know, you get those back, we make the cut, but it's not, it's not good. Kind of a west coast swing to forget other than a little, you know, a little gas leaving the body at Phoenix. Guys, I just want to make it clear. This was not a short term like thing we're looking at here.

If you go again, you can go to day to golf and you can go again. We don't have to do it. No, you can look at his putting strokes gained and you can see like from 2014 to 2018, he was positive like all the time at a bad dip in 2018 really putt it well in 20 and but basically has been a average to below average putter since about the Valero last year. That's not that's not a short period of time I would not say. So is it a concern? Yes, it's a concern. He had great chances. He said great chances in majors that have he's lost because of putting performances as well. So it it's just a long time to go through all that to not have really,

to be like still grinding after rounds on four footers on the putting green. I don't think that's a good sign. I don't know what the answer is. I don't know if he needs to try a mallet or something like that. Some do the stranger do something in TC's playbook, but it's I don't feel good watching a hitplats currently. I don't know how you could. I'm going to get the flight trackers out. Speed is going to jacks to work with TC. He's going to have a couple different putters. You know, he's bringing three or four putters out out there with them to the players. You know, he's got a front-knight putter and a back-knight putter. I mean, he's driving the shit out of the water. Yeah. That's the frustrating part. It's like he's got the stuff that he was doing,

not good for so long, doing well now, and now he can't put it. Do you think it's a case of, you know, there's only 24 hours in the day and when you're trying to get your feels back with your full swing, you just aren't practicing putting as much. Or, and then it kind of just snowballs into like,

putting is so mental anyways that, you know, when you're both like not practicing it as I Can you know conjecture? I don't know how much he's practicing and how much he's not but if it is something that gets less attention And then it also becomes like a mental thing that seems like a tough snowball to kind of stop rolling I would doubt that it's not getting enough attention. I think like he I I would doubt that it's not getting enough attention. I think like he, I think it's just the hard part. I'm more just mean, I guess like over the past like rolling two year window here as he's like, the swing was was really bad for quite a while. And he's clearly like put a lot of work into fixing that.

And I wonder if it just got bumped down the triage list. There's just a huge, huge, huge gap between like going to the golf course like ready to take on the world. Like John Rom probably feels when he gets there like going to the golf course, like ready to take on the world. Like John Rom, probably feels when he gets there and going to the golf course with I have this problem going on, right? Like you go, I hope I don't have any three footers today. Right. Like, I, I, like, there's just, that's a wide, wide, wide gap. And that's what has me concerned. I mean, I know he top 10 at Phoenix last week, but again, the putting was not very good.. And I don't know. I'm maybe getting them getting them on Bermuda.

That could be great. Who could, you know, we'll see. But, but all we need is putter to heat up and he's going to win. That's the craziest part, right? So anything else from Riviera? So I one question for you. Ram has one major, correct? That is correct. Yes, open.

We'll copy the two. Confirmed. The only one we know of. I thought you were going to say, of course, it was at a PGA tour golf course. Right? You have it. Again, I got it. I'm automating these answers for you. He's 28 years old. How many majors do you think John Rom wins?

Hmm. Hmm. Well, five at the end of this year, of course. Right. I didn't even think about he might win the players and the Grand Slate in this year. I have to think on that TC. No, that's no fun. Just throw something out.

I want to say five. I think Rom wins five majors if I'm looking at it right now. All right. Who ends up with more majors? Rom or Colin Morecala? Oh, I'm gonna say Rom. I am gonna say Rom as well. I think Colin ends up with three

and I think Rom ends up with four. So Colin's only gonna get one more major for the rest of his career. It's fucking hard to win majors for the rest of the tour. And he really, we don't know that they've less sort of technology. We do have like candy on here. Good Ted Williams. Yeah. How many majors do you have more a cow at now, TC?

I mean, I mean, I've given out, I've given out thousands of majors. It's like social security. Like we have our future ads. Stop playing majors. We're putting, we're gonna start putting majors into a lot. TCS underfunded. It's like a underfunded pension account. I have it set, I have it set in my calendar for July 19th, 2026. Says a scheduled event for 4 p.m. that day, which I think that'll be the open championship. Revisit TC predicting more. A Cala wins eight majors. I have that set for my calendar for 2026.

I just sort of he's 25% of the way there, man. He was that he was 25% of the way there when you made that prediction. It's a lot TC. I hate a lot. Tom wants a lot. Yeah, but you know what? Like if they're count like who knows? Maybe in two years or counting the players is a major. You know, Evian, you look what happened with Evian, Randy.

I know. I know. That's that's a good reach. I think what do you got for Colin or for John or for I don't hear both. Randy hates both. Exactly. No, I like Colin.

That's right. I'd like Colin. I think I was very bullish on Colin as well. TC, I think I was up there with you. I was going to say maybe five for Colin for I think four. I think more than three, right? And I think this is respectful. Listen, guys, I'm with you. I want to predict them all out. I'm just I'm calling them like we see him here. It's these runs don't last forever. Guys,

careers are shorter than ever. But it's like, who's going to win these majors? You know, somebody's got to win them. The kids and all these kids on TikTok are gonna start winning. DJ's a, DJ's a fiscal conservative. Exactly. Balance budget. That's right. I'll say this. On these teams, these teams, we don't even know about yet. All these Bryson's buddies are hammering balls

and it is living room. They're gonna decide these aging. Exactly. I'll say, did you say five for ROM? Yes. I like that. Didn't seven win five. I feel like that. Didn't Sevy win five. I feel like that's a, that'll be a very meaningful milestone for ROM.

It is amazing how fast it can go from like, you know, I would say the speed spectrum of when he had three, it was like eight might be the number for speed. And now that it, you know, a couple of years go by and it's like, is three the number? Like is he ever going to win another one? And it's just, if more a cow goes two more years that one another one, does that become a, does more a cow will win another major? It's just so easy to pace him out and like, like one dude ever, like one them on a normal pace. And that was the cat. You know, who's a freak? Dustin Johnson. Yeah.

Two. Right. Like a guy who is just like, I'm going to have chances for like 12 to 15 years. Like who else is like that? Like Justin Rose, maybe. Justin might not be like, no, I'm saying, I'm saying like those guys have been like, like world class players for like a decade and a half. And they have what three majors between them. a decade and a half and they have what three majors between them. Like it's fucking hard, man. It just doesn't, who else is even in that category that's like going to be that guy forever? I mean, Rory, obviously, but Rory has four. I don't know.

You know, DJ is going to start winning that major that lives going to be doing in Augusta. That's true. I'm told, Cam is going to win at least three this year. These these the best player in the world from what we have to do. You know, majors too. They start playing when they start playing on St Andrews or Augusta on the on the simulator. Great comment here. Great comment here from Corbin. So to get to five, we're almost to win 10% of the next 10 years majors. That's that's a lot. 10%. It's a lot. So we'll see.

Can't wait to watch. Listen, I would love to say nine. I'd love to say he's gonna get to 13. I just, it doesn't happen, guys. And he's got love coming too. Exactly. And the whole guard. Do you guys, when Tiger comes back,

a lot of people are wanting to read a list of guys Tiger beat this week. And we're not gonna do that. It's classless. But Tiger coming back and making the cut and, you know, being whatever he was, top 35 or top 40, does it say more about his greatness or does it really put a fine point on like how I don't want to say not great. It just it just makes it tougher for me to like not think most of these guys these days like yeah you guys are all pretty good but you know you're not like that good. I can barely walk. I know I just get torn

between like not there beating you at your thing you're working on every day. Yeah, supposedly aren't you guys trying to like do well? This guy doesn't play for 800 days in a PJ tour event. It's just I don't know how to beat the shit out of us. Yeah, it's not a good look. I guess that's what it comes down to. Or maybe it just speaks to his greatness. It's a little of both, but it always disappoints me when he plays and it's like, man, look at how many like supposedly like really good players he beat. I will. I'll meet you halfway on this, Randy. It is a testament to the greatness of like

that dude going out there and at age 47 with one and a half legs. He's got half as many legs as Greg Norman has. And he's still out there like beaten dudes and hitting sexy shots and you know, showing flashes here and there yet at the same time there is such an enormous difference between shooting one under over four days and shooting 17 under over four days like that the gap is like he's not close to winning one of these right and he's the one outlier and the one dude that despite just an array of self inflicted harm of all kinds over an entire career can come out at age 47 and just like dial up some stuff. On, of course, he has not necessarily had a lot of

success on either. It's still remarkable to me. That's kind of the underrated part about Tiger is like, it's not like Riv's someplace where he's won a bunch. Like I don't think he's won at Riv has. No, he has no. Yeah, he's never won there. I think the one thing that I want to see is like I do think the one tournament that's the great equalizer for him is the open championship.

And like you look at what he did at Hoy Lake when he won there with like not hitting driver for the whole week and there's puffs of dust coming up after it's every shot. Like I want to see that again. I think I truly think Tiger could compete in a tournament like that and with a legitimate chance to win. The other point on Tiger is we've talked a lot about how Tiger, like the advancement of technology

helped everybody else catch up to Tiger a little bit, where I feel like now Tiger's actually taking advantage of that and it's helping him catch back up to everyone else. It's interesting. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Yeah, it's interesting. God, he was nuking the ball. That ball speed is, they used the word impressive to describe his ball speed.

I would say it's not impressive to me. It is like genuinely puzzling like concerning. I don't understand how he's able to get a thumbs up off from the core and upper body strength. I was like, I don't know. I still don't know what that means. How is he doing this without any without half of a right leg? The fact that solid, we were standing there in Hawaii watching JT try to hit it as hard as he possibly could right watching that swing JT's like up on his feet jumping off the ball like thrusting like all his body weight at the golf ball Tiger whose legs don't work is got him by five six miles an hour like it's fucking unbelievable man

It's unbelievable, and I don't know if that's him just like hitting it out of the center more or or what, but it's just it's mind blowing to me that he's hitting ball that hard. It did. So like if I look at the 13th hole this week, he hit 180, 180, 175, 170, where the ball speed. So it was a there is a deterioration that's a week went on. Like I think that is again, that's more explained. I understand that more than I do him touching, you know, one eight one seventy nine one eighty one eighty on the 15th hall and then hit one sixty six today. Like it was a noticeable dip in the ball speed today. So, but still. On this note, as far as I guess not really around the Genesis, but John Perramore passed away this week at the age of 67. If you saw black ribbons that

were on a lot of guys hats a long time European tour rules official and there were several several mentions that as well on the on the telecast, but I did I was unaware of this leading up to it. So that was a tough one to hear. You may remember him from from such events as Whistling Straits, Dustin Johnson, and the bunker. Just always, he had such a run there for like five, six years of just kind of being right at the middle of a lot of these things.

And I think, you know, we've made a lot of jokes about it at the time, almost like a Joey Crawford type of figure, but looking back at it now, it's like, man, that's kind of the one guy that didn't seem like he got completely pushed over by the players. T.C., I know this is kind of your block, but kind of in the, it had to be in the pantheon for you.

Oh, like I was legitimately upset when I saw it at this week, kind of gone too soon. His son's in a nice note over. I don't know, just really like, just a, like, I guess going back to him coming up through the European tour, like it seemed like he called Sevy on some of his bullshit back in the day,

didn't let Sevy get away with a bunch of stuff. I remember we were at the Dunhill, I was with the Dunhill Zach a few years ago and he froze up and he's like, it's actually hitting, hitting, you know, six, seven, eight chips from like in front of the road hole bunker. And then same thing on 18 and Paramore rolls up and he's like, are you a practice policy? And we were dying man, it was great. He just, yeah, just no bullshit, total professional,

but also seemed like he had a really, really good way with people and, you know, hearing Rory and Tiger and Tyrell Hatton, you know, all sorts of different guys from different parts of the world talk about their experiences with them either through the WGC's or the Open Championship or going over to Wentworth or wherever. I don't know. He just seemed like he was he was a uh, seminal figure in the game and and not larger than life because like like the game was bigger than him and seemed like. So just a, you know, thoughts and prayers to his family gone too soon.

Uh, Randy, I'm going to have you take us to not necessarily the center of the golf universe. We all know that to be tall so Oklahoma after watching full swing. That's the only spoiler I'm going to give on this episode. The second center of the golf universe, King Abdullah economic city for the Saudi ladies international. What can you tell us? Lydia Co. I think is on a run that that mirrors John Rom. This is her third win worldwide in her does attract really a superstar star studded field, five million dollar purse this week, which matched the men's purse from their February tournament. So yeah, Lydia Coe winning by one shot over Aditi Ashuk. Aditi is playing unbelievable golf right now. She won her first L.E.T. start of the year. The magical Kenya Open. She finished third in Morocco, the

second of end of the year. The ladies magical Kenya Open. The ladies. Yes. And now has a runner up in Saudi just to kind of put a point on the purse this week in Saudi Arabia. So she collected 420,000 for her runner-up finish. That's more than she's won in any full season on the LPGA or the LET. In fact, her combined career earnings were about a million and a half dollars. So she made just under a third of that in over four days, which puts a fine point on just how important or not normal this

purses in the women's game. So whatever you want to think of Saudi Arabia and the women playing there, you can't deny that it's, you know, then putting the person on an equal footing as the men is a really important thing. And something that the golf world, the world over is striving for. I guess just briefly going down the leaderboard, Liliya Vu and Lexi Thompson, a couple of Americans finished tied for third. Tough final hole for Liliya, she bogeyed the par 518th. tied for third. Tough final hole for Lillia. She bogeyed the par 518th. Obviously a birdie there would have would have put her in a playoff with Lydia. But I think Lillia Voo is an interesting one. So she went from she finished 2021 as the 240 third ranked player in the world. At the end of 2022,

she was up to 43rd in the world. And, you know, from this result looks to, she might just keep climbing this year. So she's a former world number one amateur player, very decorated, collegiate player at UCLA and appears to finally be putting it together after, you know, being pro for, I think like three years now, three or four years. So next week, Sali and the listening audience, I can say the LPGA calendar picks back up. It's their second event of the year. They're going to be over in Thailand for the Thailand classic. Nine of the top 10 in the world are expected to tee it up, which is cool. And then Thursday we have a LPGA oriented no laying up podcast dropping.

It's going to be Cody, Tron and myself. We're going to dig much more into the Saudi tournament, talk about, you know, why it just puts women in a really tough place when deciding whether to play it or not. So be sure to check that out Thursday. But yeah, was was a good event over in Saudi Arabia. Actually my one complaint I tried to tape it to watch it Because it's kind of going on overnight and I thought golf channel was airing it and I taped it Thursday and Friday And it just ended up being the Asian tour

International series Katari so I'm not sure if you just had to watch it via the website or what so So, unfortunately, I didn't actually get to see any of it, which was a bummer, but... Just breathtaking views of the Red Sea. Say, lovey. Right, I think it's on the CW app. It's perfect. Perfect. I think it sucks either. I mean, it sucks, you know, the Saudi international sucks with the men. I don't feel any differently with the women.

Like, I know they're putting up, I think it's a tougher decision probably for the women because it's all relative as far as purse causes and the percentage of available funds available to you versus, but it's just, man, it sucks. Yeah, I think it's a lot easier to Kind of shit on the guys who go play because you also can go play the FedEx cup

And you also can go play the majors and you also can go like it's it's not that heroic of a stand to just like just man This is a pretty easy one to skip like just just just You're in the middle of your season already right like the best tournaments in the schedule are on the West Coast, whereas with the ladies, there's no fucking LPGA events for the first two to three months of the season. And what you just said about a DDShock too, like you can play well this week, and you can make more than you've ever made in any season

before in one week. It's kind of like, fuck, that's a tough one. But hey, Randy, that's why tough decisions are tough, my man. I also am kind of on that block as well. I don't know, easier said than done for me, I guess. Yeah, weirdly for me, it's way harder to talk about this on the women's side because it's not as very clear to me in terms of, it doesn't seem as greed-based as the men's side does, right? Like, that's a big driver for me is like, oh, you're giving up on the whatever purse

at the AT&T to go play the Saudi international and go, while these guys are suing the PGA tour and like disrupting all of men's golf, yeah, that's pretty easy for me to be against that. Whereas, like, on the women's side, it's harder to, like, come to terms with and again, I just don't feel like that well first. And I'm excited to hear against that. Whereas on the women's side, it's harder to come to terms with. And again, I just don't feel like that well, first. And I'm excited to hear you guys discuss it on the pod this week, because I don't think we can really fully tackle the topic tonight with the time we have. But we will dedicate the proper amount of time to it and the proper framing of it, I believe, this weekend. Or this next week. We're putting our best man on it.

That's exactly right. Yeah. To your beer on Olsen won the DP World Tour Thailand by four shots. I didn't get to catch any of that. T.C. Do you have anything to add there? He did, Sally. He won by four. 67 67 64 66 over Yannick Paul finished at minus 20.

And my, my, my uncle Yoast was at T T three minus 18, Rafa Cabrera, Bayo, Nikola Hoy guard, Antoine Rosner, things of that nature. I mean, hard to hard to look at this week and not just be shaking your boots right or cup wise. Yeah, you know, we did lose, lose probably are one of our most promising guys with Thomas Peters. Should we talk about that now?

But listen, TC, we lost Brendan Steele too. So I think those, yeah, Brendan Steele and you know, I've got a call set up with Sammy Valamaki this week as well. The finished star. Sammy, what's your dedication to this team? We're next man up mentality here at Tevira. Are you in or are you out? Also, I just got to say, I've unsubscribed

like seven or eight times from the international series, the Asian Tour International Series press releases, put out by Performance 54. They keep putting me on this list. I got four emails alone just about to Kumikanaia, him winning in Oman last week. And it was unbelievable. And I'm sure I'm going to get a bunch of shit tomorrow about Andy Ogletree, just absolutely beating on the field this week. I bet the best player in the world is beating up the Asian tour qualifying series or whatever it's called.

Can we before if you have any more unsubscribing stuff, we can maybe save that for later, but I talk about Thomas Peter to live because that's the light kind of a big story from this past week. So yeah, 34th ranked player in the world is headed to live. That is official. And is this a, is this a big win for live? DJ, what do you think? Is this a big win for live? I think he's a very, very talented player with a lot of promise who's already done some big Ryder Cup stuff had potentially had a big Ry rider cup future ahead of him. I don't think

it's like a big win. I don't know who's tuning in to specifically watch Thomas Peters. I think it kind of helps the, you know, the, the grade point average go up a little bit, right? Like it just kind of makes the, the general pool of players just a little bit better. But I don't know that it's, you know, you can convince me like people are tuning in to watch cam Smith, but they're tuning into watch fill or Dustin Johnson or Bryson or Patrick Reed or some of those guys. I don't know how many people outside of my beloved champagne or Banna metro area are tuning into watch. Thomas Peters, but it's just kind of a big loss for the DP world tour.

For sure. Yeah. Is it a loss for the DP world tour yet, though, because they can, that's where it's kind of the point's been made of like, you can still play in DP world tour events now. I mean, I, I don't know when that's exactly going to be settled. I thought that was supposed to be sometime in February, but it's supposed to be soon when that, when that European tour trial takes place and the determination will be made, whether or not, guys can still kind of soothe their way into events.

But if you're a DP World Tour player, you can do both. You can double dip. And I think if anything, it kind of speaks to the reason why the PGA Tour has banned guys is to prevent guys from double dipping and completely watering down their product. Because now there's just the precedent spent set where guys can go play and live and play what DP World Tour events they want to anyways. And it's not an either or decision. And that's probably what seems to be effective for Peters. I would have to think.

Do we know are we fully locked up as far as Ryder Cup like bands? Do we know that yet? That's still up in the air. I mean, Rob said on the podcast, he's like, I, the, the season's already been made. That they're not going to be playing in the right. Yeah. So, um, I mean, I would say with Peter's like, I don't know, it kind of makes the strategic alliance seem pretty fucking stupid when the number 33 player in the world can't get into the, like the Genesis this week, right? Like that, that's shitty. I thought there was a top 50 exemption to get into it

I guess there's not and I guess there is maybe supposed to be next year when when the you know when they have the It designated events or whatever that that may be but Yeah, that was surprising that he could not get into it I also think it would be very convenient for it to be all oh, he didn't get in the Genesis, so he had to go to live Crow, which I saw a lot of that this week was like, yeah, this is probably more than one event, like tied into this, I would have to think so, but we've shocked if he made his decision on,

you know, like last Friday. Yeah, but apparently it did happen rather quickly. So I don't know, It's a peculiar one. It's, he kind of just goes into the Kochrack, Abe Answer, Kevin Nault, of like, yeah, these guys are solid players, like above average players that, you know, are not probably on the up rising. Like they're, they're very competitive players. They make up a part of a good solid core of competitive players that aren't like moving the needle a lot and are not going to be huge losses. I just don't think, but kind of shore up a lot of the punchline around live of, you know,

it's guys we've never heard of before playing in it. And the more you get those guys, like it's, it raises their floor from very, very low to like just like maybe very low. I don't know. It doesn't change a whole lot. I don't think sadly, other than further dilute the product that we've already been concerned about getting diluted. I would put him above, he's firmly between a Camtron Gale and below a Coke rack. I would say, right? But I had a comp of a Uline a little bit far as like coming out of college like absolute world beaters You know, I you line didn't have the same success obviously not even close in the professional game But kind of had like promise promise promise and it just like never quite a roller coaster never quite like

Got over the other side right and it just kind of looks like a couple guys who are like finally just like man Fuck this. I'm just going to take the money. Taylor Gooch might be the best comp as far as talent. And if you look at data golf, he's 43rd ranked player in the world, Peters, Tom Hoguey's 44th, Gooch 45th, Windham Clark 46th, Tommy Fleetwood 42nd. That would, which I think Fleetwood would be a way bigger loss than Peters. I think Fleetwood and Peters are both kind of on the same trajectory of like they seem to both be trending Upwards Peters You're just a weird career. Yeah, like he's won some he's won some big dick events. He's also like

You know kind of falling off. He's been a great rider cup player, but you know, it's it's weird. It's it's such a hazy Yes, I swear to God, he has. He won Abu Dhabi in like 2021. Oh, man, did he want to be a 22? All right, 2022. He's won the Masters in Portugal in 2021. And the check masters twice. Oh, okay.

I didn't run in the Czech Republic. He the check masters twice. Oh, okay. I didn't really check for public. He wanted to take Denmark. Anyone the KLM open, man. Okay. All right. Take it back, TC. Thank you.

Brendan Steele. I guess this was reported on the SPN. No one really picked it up after this went up on the SPN.com. I haven't seen it anywhere else, but Brendan Steele and Danny Lee allegedly going to go into live, which I think Danny Lee was listed in the field for Honda this week. And I have not, I don't know if that one's true, but I can almost say definitively Brennan's deal is going and we'll be joining the high flyers with his buddy Phil Mikkelson. But hopefully it takes Keegan with him. If we get on the Keegan, don't pick that one up,

track our accounts. We don't have any evidence on that one. But that one says to me, like, okay, that's a problem for Liv. Like if you're reaching down for Britain and Steel now, then you've kind of given up on anything that's gonna even come close to moving the needle. Not quite like laugh out loud funny yet, which I was kind of really hoping for. I can't really laugh at that one other than to just be

completely and utterly indifferent. And it means next to nothing to the world of golf in general. That was pretty laughable. I mean, James Han would be so funny though. It would be so hilarious if it happens. And like knowing that knowing that Bill was saved, like, he'll have been searching for somebody around his team for the last however long. And it ends up being Brennan steel. Yeah. Come on. And then also news this week, the PGA tour can depose Saudi wealth funds leader. A judge has ruled that a federal magistrate judges rule that the leader of Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund, which is bankroll the new live golf series must sit for a deposition by lawyers for the PGA tour who sought his testimony as part of the tangled litigation involving the sports splitting circuit decision could reveal

details of the wealth funds operation and the power of its governor, Yossu Yossu El Rameon over its investments abroad. So basically, kind of bringing, as I understand it, bringing a whole lot of shit into play that could make its way into court transcripts that is well, well, well outside the world of golf that from my understanding also would not necessarily be in Saudi Arabia's or some of the other players in this game in their best interest to have that out there in the public eye. So I believe my understanding, again, not a lawyer was this will be appealed to death. And if he before he ever gets to pose this lawsuit will be dropped is kind of what.

I was gonna say, like there's no downside other than losing the case for them. It's not like he's actually gonna agree to a deposition. Right. What's the, you know, like what's to compel him to do that? He's not a US citizen. He doesn't have to come to the United States or anything. It's right.

But this isn't, isn't that what the ruling is basically? Like, no, if you were going to be doing business here, like you are not protected by sovereign immunity. Yeah, you cannot, you do. No, I know, but I'm just saying, like, when it comes down to it, he's just not going to be deposed. It's just going to drop in, I'm not going to agree to it. I'm just going to drop the thing.

Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, so T.C. We also got to give a shout out to your boy, Mean Dean Burmese here. I forgot about that this week. That's on me. Yeah, we got we got Burmister going. Everything.

That's funny. Sebastian Moomehouse going. We got all meat on wolf. Leaving. I can't remember who he's leaving, but he's going to smash GC and the logistics. They have three captains. How do you have three captains? If you have three captains, do you have one?

I've really laughed pretty hard at Andy Johnson, doing a breakdown of that earlier this week and saying that basically now that the captains are kind of responsible for managing all the costs, all those three captains seem to have had some muddy issues in the past. Maybe they want to spread it around a little bit. Horrible news, TC. I did the, I did the favorite team picker on the live website where you answer a detailed questionnaire and it lets you know who your favorite team is. And unfortunately, I'm a majestic supporter. So we'll keep it on that. I don't, I hate our team. I hate the majestic

I hate the white socks. I hate where I hate where everything's going right now. So 2023 could be a long year for me, but we'll see I got smash I think that tracks Big work their play hard guy I got the high-pired. You did? That's a no-brainer, though. We're up. I haven't done it.

What animal? What did you pick for the animal? I think I picked the dolphin. I think that's what I picked, too. What eagle dolphin? Yeah, there was a bear. Are you going to get involved? Are you concerned with how much data they're mining off of this information you gave them? That would not be. If they could put a case

file on me based on what, which kind of sandwich I would pick after my round of golf, I would encourage them to go for it. That was a tough question. What's so good? It did. What kind of shot revved your engine? What'd you pick? Oh, the up and down. Drive. No, no, no, the up and down. That's what I put. Yeah, was that like the recovery or something? Yeah. Yeah. That's why I was so I was so confused by it. Because like, smash, you would think like would be like the smash drive. And I think I said like a big putt. Nothing. Brooks, great. Putter or stuff or a stuffed wedge shot. You guys going to be down on the CW app to be tuning in this

Friday, the first live event of the year is this week at Maya Coba. Stoked. No price. If that went out, I think. Let me know though, keep me posted. This one's going to be a tough one for the live boys to really sell to us. Like a mediocre PGA tour event is now. PGA tour venue is now the location of one of these. Like to really try and even hype that with a less than a PGA tour field. It's gonna be very, it's gonna be very fun to watch that.

I get it when it was something that was different, different venues and all this stuff was something new, but this one's gonna be, I just don't know don't know how you can build this one as a huge win. But that and the green prior, they're going to be tough cells in that regard. Greenbrayers sick, but not like earnestly, like it's very ironically funny. I still can't believe the fireballs have this on their site, under the leadership of legendary Spanish Ratter Cup star Sergio Garcia. Fireballs is this on their site under the leadership of legendary Spanish writer, Cubstar, Sergio Garcia. Fireballs is a team that radiates heat and intensity. Fireballs wear their hearts proudly on their sleeves and bring sweat and soul to the fierce

caulge of the golfing battles. But while they aim to light a fire in their fans, there's a strong support of this to their teammates. It'd rather lose a tournament and win a friend. It'd lose a friend and win a tournament. It kind of feels like the whole ethos of live in general. Friends we made along the way situation. Only the other thing I have for the week is what year does Jim Nance think catch me if you can

came out? It's a great question, Sally. Really, really good question. He's a close personal friend of mine. I don't mean to pick poke fun here, but he mentioned that newly released Catch Me If You Can song. I don't even really not sure, but he was... He said this reminds me of a Steven Spielberg film that came out last year, Catch Me If You Can, which is wild. Is this a Leo one?

They came out in 2003, TC. That's a real one. They came out like, came out in 2003, T.C. Almost 20 years ago. I gave it to Uncle Jim, that movie does. Sure. It's a good one. It's great. That was a very like, I don't know, got me thinking like maybe mentally,

Nance like, is still in 2003? Like I have to, that's probably almost like peak of his powers kind of a, kind of a moment, which I would respect. I just, I don't know where that came from. That was very jarring, very, very strange, rare miss from our guy, Big Jim. Cody, anything we missed from this past week? No, I think we're pretty, pretty much, we're ready for, for 45 minutes. No, we're doing great. I very successful week. We touched on a little bit about these dedicated slash elevated, whatever they're going to be called format, kind of changing.

We talked a little bit about maybe next year, top 50. That's the field and they base everything off there. A lot of the questions going around, though, is who else deserves kind of to be in these fields. What should the numbers be? Should there be qualifiers? We don't just want to basically, we don't want to recreate a live event. So what do you think the perfect number of entries should be?

That's a great question, Cody. There's many different answers to this. 90s deal with that. I think 90s is a great spot. With a cut. You have like the 70 or 75 guys. Yeah, you cut it down to 60 maybe. Um, you got seven or 75 guys and then you fill it out 15 guys. Are there you could do five sponsor exemptions? Five guys that have played their way in from, you know, recent events on, you know, the, the, the lower tier PGA tour events

and then five guys that have played their way on via the last three or four elevated events, right? I think just come, I don't know what the number is, but just coming at this from a different viewpoint, I think three sums off both T's sucks a lot. It is, it leads to horrific television windows and so many hours of coverage and couldn't even finish the second round this week

in a limited field event with no weather delays, right? And that is like a huge... In a smaller field too. It was like 128 guys or 130 guys in the field. Like the fact that like it was like pace of play was glacial. So I think my answer to and I don't if you can do it, everyone goes off one in two sums, that would be the field size. Maybe you have to go off two T's in two sums.

I don't even know if you can do that. Do you play too fast if that if you do guys end up catching up to each other and all that stuff? But it if you want to like make, big, elevated, different events, make it feel a little more grand than like, hey, we're trying to squeeze in as many people as possible here. This is supposed to feel different. I don't think you gain a tie, if you're again, like I get it on an individual,

like person by person basis, you want guys to have something to play for, you want up and coming guys to have spots and you don't want to be a close-off system. Like if you get down to 90th in the world rankings, you end up with like, you know, first in Lawrence and, you know, Brendan Todd and Calum Shinkwin and Jordan Smith, like all fine players. Like, I'm not disrespecting. I'm not disrespecting. English are going to be so important. I'm not disrespecting anyone. I'm just saying, like Joel Damon's down there in that part too. There we know we love Joel.

Like I'm these tournaments aren't like there's just such a vast difference between that and Zander Shoffley and Will's out to us and like these events are supposed to be for the Zander's and Will's out to us of the world. And like if you beat the door down. No, if you beat the door down, you will get there. Like, that's how golf works as it is now. But like, again, you have to throw the status quo out for what pro golf is probably likely to become. And it's just going to be different than like what even as good as well, we saw that this week, it is going to be different when you don't have 120, 130 bodies there. And there's a right number. And like, even at the BMW last year, we were looking around at 70 guys. We're kind of like, 70, 70 could be a lot. Like, there's a right number. And like, even at the BMW last year, we were looking around at 70 guys. We were kind of like, 70 could be a lot.

Like, there's some guys here that golf will go on totally fine without being there. And again, that's kind of the cold-blooded view of looking at it, but for way too long, it's been about like, people have convinced themselves that it's the bottom of the field that makes something interesting. And I'm sorry, it's just not.

Yeah, I've always said it should be 48 with a shotgun start. But like the funny part is they're going to get absolutely boned when they go to the 70 or 80 or 90 with the current OWG are thing that they all those changes that they put into place. That's true. I got totally neuter. The points available for the guys playing in these events.

And so a shitty full field event or a mediocre full field event, let's say the, you know, the 3M or the Texas Open or something like that, like is gonna have as many points available for the winner as the winner one of these elevated events, which is fucking crazy. Which will create churn.

Like with that in itself, we'll create some churn at the bottom of these fields, I think, in a way, right? You can't just like, it's not again closed off where, you know, you're going to get a guarantee, you know, basically what's talked about some of the WGC's was like, you just just getting in it. You're earning some, you beat a few guys, you earn more points. And like it becomes very cyclical and it becomes hard to fall out. Whereas if they're not giving that many points away, it's going to be possible to play your way in via world ranking if you play really well in the events that are not designated. Although, but it seems like they're disconnecting the FedEx cup even more from the world ranking

as well to where like you could get up, you're almost creating even more spots where you would have a Thomas Peters scenario where you've got somebody who's not a member who's rising up rising up rising up but can't get inside this top 75 and you're basically relying on a sponsor exemption for it. Yeah, I maybe for a separate pod. I want to get creative with FedExCut points. I want like a closest to pinhole where you get FedExCut points. I think low round of the day, you should get some points. I want to get weird with it. I think you should be able to bet FedEx cut points. I think it should be, it should turn into something a little bit more than like, can you, Jay, what does fifth place get for FedEx cut points this week?

Any idea? Uh, 120. Uh, 120. Do you know that? Or are you just guessing? That's a guess. I don't know the answer. We use for like, you know's either wrong guy to literally know.

He used to be a narc for the tour. Yeah, I only worked at the tour for six years. How do you expect me to know that answer? Does anybody know? Like what? No one knows any ties to it. I think it's like winning, I think winning, you get like 400 or 500.

I know that. And then if you win like an elevated, elevated event, you get like 550 or something. Mm-hmm. And I don't know what anyplace otherwise gets. So let's start. Exactly. Let's get weird. So they have to have a cut though. I think we're all in a grants there. I think so. Just trim the fat. Like if like there's nothing worse than a guy

in the tour championship or in in a WGC, who's like, there's nothing worse. He's like 37 shots off the lead and he's going out there on Saturday morning and he's like it's a joke. What was my guess? 120? I have, I don't know the answer. Yeah, you said 115. Okay. That's concerning.

D rider. I'm not sure if I feel safe with you around. Cody, can I flip it in a totally different way? What other sport like intentionally sends their stars home before the prime viewing windows? Yeah, but golf's not every other sport. That's a very that's a that's a trap. I think golf is very different trying to make it into a better entertainment product Maybe it needs to be more like other sports in some ways, right? I mean, yeah, I'd rather. Yeah, I don't know.

So depressing if a guy is like 25 shots off the lead and just go into the motions on Saturday or Sunday though, it's demeaning TC. Trotting about there. It's disgusting. I can get down with like eliminating dudes that are like 30 shots. I don't know what it is, but like I just don't think you need to like send, need to send guys home. I think part of the deal is kind of like the cuts already been made before this tournament started essentially like these are the guys that are going to play four days. Do you know what we need? We need to go back to the day when like,

you know, the cut was literally just like the paycheck cut. You play it every day of the event, but only these top people are actually getting paid. So like we're pushing everybody through till Sunday, but hey, man, you're, you really have to make the top 45 rules. You're not getting a paycheck. I think that would be so. I think part of the, so part of what I understand this, this to be is, hey, we, a big part of like selling the elevated events to the sponsors is going to be you know who's going to play in it, right?

Like you, we are, all of the top players are going to play this event and you're going to pay a premium for it. I don't think you are going to pay that premium and also be like I'm still willing to risk that Tiger Woods is going to make the cut when he comes to play this event because or would you like to know he's going to play Saturday and Sunday. Like is that the best for competition? I don't know. I don't I don't but like if they want the money to keep flowing in, that's probably going to be something that's going to be worth discussing over the next several months, I would think. I think he's like such a unique example, though, because if you're, like, if you're limiting at the top 100 or whatever, like he's not in the field anyways.

So it's like how is how, what merit is he getting into the field in the cat exhibition? But like, let's, I don't know with you on that, but I'm just like, I don't know. I think if you have all of the top, you know the top 50 are gonna play anyways, and you're cutting it to the top 60 in ties. You got a field of 100, and you're cutting it to the top 60 in ties or whatever, like you're gonna miss out on three or four guys

that really people wanna see, but other than that, I think you're gonna have most of the big dogs are gonna to be around for the week. I think the critical mass is still there. Question for you guys. Did this week like shut up some of the naysayers, the James Han of the world of like, you know, hey, like this isn't the right structure, but you're going after it. I feel like.

Should it or did it? It's two different questions. Should it shut up? That's all true. Yeah, TC, I just don't know that we're living in a world where people after I feel like, should it or did it? It's two different questions. Should it shut up? That's all true. Yeah, TC, I just don't know that we're living in a world where people on the internet are gonna be like, man, you know what, I really, I really goofed to that one.

You were right. You were right. I totally learned my lesson. I think they're just gonna quadruple down on like, no, this is all bullshit. What are my talking points this week? But like, I don't know who in their right mind is watching this week and just be like,

nah, that ain't it. That's not even close. I think. But it also sucks that like, Rory has to get up and do a presser about like, you know, selling the new format and like not monahan. Right?

Like, it's like, why does, like, why does Rory have to do that before one of these 20 million dollar events and take his eye off the ball? Don't disagree with that. I don't not disagree with that either. It's it's been a it's almost been like there's been so little pomp and circumstance from the tour around these events that is almost like a little a little weird and it like and maybe if they're saving it off of the players, which as we know, they will have plenty of pomp and circuits to answer on that. But the hunger games. The only other question that I have that was kind of lingering out there still is that it seems like just like the information and reporting that have been tracking on the

Nord Stream 1 and 2 being single source reporting on what actually happened. What's going on with Brooks Keppka and why do people keep talking about him wanting to come back? There was some rumblings, I believe, shared by Alan Shipnock that just to my knowledge sounded a lot like some thoughts we share from time to time on this more than it was the definitive reporting, which that's not a shot at Alan. That's just saying like, yeah, we throw some things out there all the time. Like, yeah, I'm hearing some things like he might be looking to come back.

I think it's more of that of like, hey, monitor this more than it is news. But that's my interpretation of the current situation there around Brooks. But I think, yeah, we've heard those same rumbles. Yeah. But like, it's not like a newsworthy report. It's a tracker where they were.

Yes, that is well said. And it's also like, Brooks can change his mind in an absolute heartbeat and be out there just, you know, cheering on team smash with all of his heart here this week as well. So I don't know. I'm you guys going to be watching much this week. I I'm not going to be able to watch much in the early part of the week, but Honda. Yeah, no, I'm talking to live.

Oh, it would take pretty extenuating circumstances. Yeah. I mean, I got to I'll miss the YouTube part. I will miss that. That was a lot easier. You. All right.

So, so, so, you were asking this week, like, are they just, is it all going to be taped to lead when they're not in the United States? I don't know that. That's a good question. If you go to their website,

it says, it's a red like that. It goes to their website. It says the CW network will air the 2023 live golf league in 100% of its markets across United States as part of the multi year exclusive broadcast agreement with the league. All 14 global events will air exclusively from 1 p.m. to 6 p.m. Eastern on Saturdays and Sundays on the CW networks linear and digital platforms with Friday rounds carried on the CW app, making it sound like no

matter where they are in the world, it will be aired from 1 p.m. to 6 p.m. Eastern on Saturday and Sundays, which is interesting if that's the case. It might be tough when they're in St. Thosa to make those time zones line up. A tape delay broadcast would be that'd be be that be chefs that means classic 2018 PGA tour. It is the US play. But it's what the younger generations looking for. It's taped to like golf. So I got to find the CW. I mean, I don't know like like Honda.

It's tough for me to get pumped about. And that but that's what I'm loving about the new schedule. Like let's just be honest about this. Let's be transparent. Like I won't be tuning in on Friday. That's totally fine. Let's have the events, the weeks that are elevated instead of blending them all, they're supposed to be equal.

This one's not equal. That has to be excited. I'm glad we can just all agree on that and say that part out loud. Well, I think Honda is also agreeing and saying, all right, cool. It's going to be like that. We're fucking out. Yeah. But what about Honda?

All right, that's all I got this week. Anything else guys? It's, no, I'm good. We're changing the tanks. Two hour live show is a lot, but. Couple of housekeeping notes. I don't know, TC, you wanted to close these out. Oh, yeah.

We got the LPGA pod coming up this week. If you ever listen to it, go back and listen to our Netflix review show that we did. Your spoilers galore just weren't you on that. We went through all eight episodes, tried to keep it pretty real on that. We got KVBP's dropping on Monday here, kind of a scene setter from the tournament this past week. It's going to scramble good one, I think. I'm excited. Our Scrabo, our friend Patty Neal from Northern Ireland put together a cool feature on a course outside of Belfast called Scrabo Castle.

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