No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 668: Sunday Masters Recap

Episode Date: April 10, 2023

Jon Rahm wins at Augusta National after an extended Masters Sunday.  Rahm claimed his second major by passing third round leader Brooks Koepka and then withstanding an unexpected charge from Phil Mickelson to ultimately win by four strokes.   Soly, Neil, DJ and Cody recap a hectic and crazy week at Augusta along with guest appearances from KVV - who spent the week on site - as well as Randy and Tron for their reaction to the first major of the season. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're moving on. John Rom is the 2023 Masters champion by a lot of shots. What it ended up being four shots. I don't even remember what it was. Spot of the field, you know, a four putt on the first toe and played out of the bad side of the draw. And one by four, just frickin dominant. I'm really mad that I talked, I'm not mad that I talked my, I'm not mad.

I talked to myself in the Scotty. I'm mad. I talked myself away from John and the Florida swing had too much of an impact on me. But what a freaking day of golf and what a freaking champion and authoritative fashion. Yeah, I feel like we have said for months now he, he feels inevitable, right? And, and that's exactly how it felt starting from the first, you know, kind of two shots swing as soon as the golf fired back up this morning was just like, oh, yeah, I mean, the thing everybody thinks is going to happen is probably going to happen.

And that was John Romney. He didn't really get pushed from anybody close to him down the stretch. And it just really, I mean, you know, we were kind of joking about it. Once, I think once he cleared the water on 13, it was like, oh, I mean, it's, it's kind of it, man, start, start, uh, start sizing up the jacket. This is a proverbial. Everything becomes clear to me after the fact situation. And when you saw the odds come out and it was Sheffler and Rory.

And, you know, you know, everybody kind of just, at least I forgot about Ram. No one's picking them among us. It, and that's where the value was. It's like, God, he is right there with those guys. It's been a three horse race all year. And he comes in not a lot of chatter. Like you said, so I four pups the first screen. It's like, and then it's just off to the races.

So I thought it was a fantastic day of golf. First three days was tough with the stops and starts, but it was the kind where there were like a million unlikely scenarios going on right when the Making the turn sensory blitz break that was sensory I truly was like You know kind of lose in my mind a little bit. You got speed. It's all speed like show me just more of that And then Mikkelson comes out of nowhere clips clips him. And then you got who I'm told is 52. We're going to get to fill. We'll get there. And so you're like, Oh my God, he's a

leader in the clubhouse. And then he got P coming in like Jack Nicholson and the shining, just trying to fucking chop the door down and get in there. And then you got Brooks, like the opposite of, you know, what he's known for. He's he's corining down the leaderboard. And then what happens? The number one player in the world just puts his foot down leaves no doubt and like cleans all that shit out. And it was a great fantastic finish like high level golf being played. That's how you play with the lead. It was awesome to watch the last four or five holes. Just him leave no doubt. What a lot of people have been calling for, you know, a couple other people to speak up. If Randy was here, what do you think he would say?

It's, he's been tough guy to track down this week. I'm not really sure what he's been up to. He might be on one of those silent retreats. Sure. What do you think he would say if he was here? I think he would say you guys have been on this block for years. I was wrong. You were right.

Clearly, this guy is the total package. There's no weaknesses in his game. I'm stupid. You're smart. You're good looking. I'm not attractive. I think those would be some of the things I would hope he would start with and where he goes from there. It's hard to say. I don't know. I think he'd hit us with a like a classic lefty thumbs clap and thumbs up, you know, job, you know, job well done to the butcher and let's be on our way to the next hole. Well, why don't we remove all hypothetical because I'm getting word from our producer that Big Randy is actually sitting by and ready to, ready to speak to the world.

Hello, Mr. Randy, how are you? Hey guys, thanks for having me on your show. Thanks for being here, Big Man. Track down the listener line. What do you have to say? What's your reaction to the 2023 Masters champ? Good one for him, you know, it seems like, the coach and the coach and the coach

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The rare instances where we disagree. I mean, I had a little concern. He wasn't, you know, he wasn't winning enough, but I think he's squashed that. So I'll gladly be silent on that. I'll, I'll take the L. He's obviously a world-class golfer. But I do think just his game, right, that the way he goes about playing the game purely for me again, I want to stress, this is just how I watch him. It's not necessarily my favorite thing. So, you know, that's my problem to deal with. That's nothing against John Rom, but I think that's some of it.

You know, when he gets a leader, when he's playing well, he's just a bowl, right? You just can't, you can't wrestle him down. He's just too tough to take down. He's like that big running back, Neil. You just, you know, you try tackling him 40 times a game and he's just eventually going to break one. And so I feel like he's a bruiser and I feel like the guys I like watching play golf typically or more of the artists, right?

Not that he doesn't have artistry to his game, but it's just not as natural as, as, you know, like a young, a win for Ramon and mechanics everywhere. Sure. And that's, that's great. I'm going to push on the lack of artistry on this one because this, this major requested a lot of different things. There was the, you know, the easy kind of free day on Thursday. He was in the bad side of the draw.

He was in the side of the draw that needed to hit huge clubs into a lot of greens, four, five, 18, all that stuff, and rounds two and three, depending on how that went. And what got me a little bit today where I thought, like, ooh, this might be, this might be where he has the advantage on Brooks, Capco. When they played 18 at the end of round three kept good tried to jam a five iron up into the wind uphill and it floated on. I'm went in the front of the green. He made an easy two putt. It wasn't that big of a deal, but Ram hit the flighted cut four iron into the back. The only way to get back to that back right shelf. And that was like, okay,

this dude's getting ready to play the golf shots needed. And then it was kind of already over when he got to this point, but when he gets behind the tree on 14, he had, you know, a way around that tree, but it needed to be, you know, go a certain height. So I didn't get up too high under the tree, started the left side of the green with fade out of the second cut, land on the green with the right spin and spun it right back to the hall of May, Burry. That was an artist making that golf shot. And that was the exclamation point on the 2023.

It's an, it's an artist. I totally agree with all that. And he has every shot and he can do whatever he wants with the golf shot. And that was the exclamation point on the 2023. It's an, it's an artist. I totally year with all that. And he has every shot and he can do whatever he wants with the golf ball. I think for me, it comes down to just what you like about golfers. That's totally fair. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, I mean, it's true. You're wrong. But I fair. Yeah. Well, I'm right for me. But I can't, you know, it's, it's not either. There's something there, though, where I sometimes I feel like Ron's Ron, that's something that they've wrong is so good. And driving the golf ball that he doesn't put himself in positions where he has to show

the artistic stuff, right? He's just, he's kind of automatic off the tee, whereas you look at speed. I mean, we're in the magnolia is we're in the bamboo. We're all over the place. I want the shot. Ron hit on 14. No, that's what, so that's my point, though. He gives you a flash of that every once in a while, but week to week on the PGA tour. Like I can see why Randy kind of feels this way. Sometimes his golf feels like just relentless downhill runner, running people over. You're not getting any, you know, you're not getting

any Reggie Bush stuff out there because he doesn't have to. Dude, it's the he's the yellow line in the swimming race like it's gonna go at the same pace for the whole time like it if you want to break the world record and you want to beat this dude like you got to go out and do something absurd, but it's gonna keep moving at that pace the whole time and it's really really freaking hard as as Broke's kept his show today to do that for four rounds and It I'm glad for ROM that now like two majors puts him like where he should be right one was not enough two feels about right he's as his career goes on he's gonna need more than two based on his talent level but I said this on Twitter this week it was like you know two big questions one aimed at Brooks and one aimed at at at at

ROM and we're gonna get an answer to one of them assuming one of them is gonna win and Rom elevating making the leap to two-time major champion with you know nine other PGA tour wins and a bunch on the D.P. World tour is a different different level of player and I think rainy if we can go back to where this all started I mean like he has won Seven times in less than three years, right? And before that I think some of your questions were somewhat valid That's where it started. Thank you for throwing me that bone, Sully. You're welcome. And that's where I just we're not just dunking on you. Come on. It's collaborative

effort. He's he's answered all that. And I think this was an explanation mark on, you know, really the post US open his his whole run. And so massive kudos to get to him again. I can't stress enough. I think he clearly, when the question becomes who's best is the best out out in the world of pro golf right now. It's, you know, it's got to be him, right? I don't think there's any doubt at this point. I don't know. I mean, we said it after Scotty did that at the players, right? I really think that there, these guys are all really close and it's just going to cycle. And we, I'm the most guilty of it. We got to get, be just be careful of not getting too high on the most recent week.

Yeah, I would only say like, I feel like Ram's just a little further down the line than Scotty is. I think Scotty, a lot of his success is more recent. Ram's just been at it a little bit longer. I feel like he's got a little bit more experience and just more time, you know, under the gun in the spotlight would be my only thing. But yeah, a lot of this is reactionary, but I do think viewing the wider world of golf, right?

Like John Ram winning the Masters is a great thing for the game. I'm so with you. And I was thinking that too. And it's kind of like stupid sports rightery type thinking, but it's fun when you look at a guy and you're like, Oh, that guy is like a master's champion. And it's fun when they actually validate it, which brings me to my next point. What would you, what'd you see from Rory this week, right? Well, as good as Ram's performance was, I, I mean, Rory, not to like repeat too much, but I just think given that the last major, he kind of, if you want to be generous, he let it get away from him. I think it was a little bit of a choke job.

You know, he fired that final round 64 at last year's masters and was talking about, hey, I've turned the corner. I'm, you know, I've put some past demons behind me. Of course, he's been the face of the PGA tour and their ongoing battle with Liv. And so this was a big week. The first time we've seen the Liv boys and the PGA boys had a place like Augusta. And I, like, he couldn't have spitted the bit anymore. Like, that was like Patrick

my home's going eight for 35 with four picks in the Super Bowl like it was exceptionally bad and it's I don't know where we go from here but it's like it's it's really bad I don't know it would cause me to like rethink a lot of things. Just how are we going about? It was a bit of an FKX situation because I mean, they call it a need. He's going for the career against slam. Like, this is his week every year. And if you can't get up for the first weekend, second weekend of in April, like, we got to read. I've been thinking a lot about what KVB said on the show the other day, where I, I, in a a weird way think his best path forward is to just Then Michael Jordan chip on the shoulder

Like everybody thinks I can't do it. I'm gonna go fucking do it Because like when when he's in that when tigers in the press room and just like oh Roy's definitely gonna do it He's too tough. Of course. He's gonna do it. Everybody's just all this is probably the year of course He's gonna do it like I think he almost needs to start just, oh, this is probably the year of course he's going to do it. Like, I think he almost needs to start flipping that bulletin board material into it. Basically the guy that we saw at the Canadian Open, right? Where it's like, oh, man, I got a chance to go beat Greg Norman's, Greg Norman's PJ tour record for, for wins like sweet.

Let's, let's go do it. I think what I think what was most concerning was with what's been going on between living the tour. Like I looked at this week like, okay, Rory, like let's see how you can put that chip on your shoulder. Like let's see, you know, after talking some junk and getting some shots, taking some shots, like that's what was so disappointing was kind of felt like this was the week. If you're able to put a chip on your shoulder, it should be there, man.

And he just, I tell you what the actual most alarming thing was, Phil McClellan beat Rory's ass this week at golf. I don't know, major championship venue. Where is your relate? This is your guy. Where's your what's your relationship with Phil McClellan? Said like right now. And what was it like watching him this week?

Or if you watched, I didn't watch much of them to be honest. Of course, had the Nuggets Kings this afternoon. It's probably an appreciation for the Denver Nuggets season ticket holders. No, it's just a shame. Like, it really stinks because I should be so excited about Phil today. And I'm just not like the last 12 months have just really zapped my fandom for him. And I, you know, that's a real bummer for me personally. I do think though, between Phil and Tiger,

I think it underscores how great those two are when, you know, Tigers making a cut on one leg. Of course, he won in 2019. Phil's won the PGH, championship at the age of 50 finishes runner up in the masters this year. I just think it speaks like those two are like there's a reason they're like two of the 10 best of all time, I think. And I'm just not sure like as much as we want some of the young guys and the current guys to be that good, I for me, it just underscores

how much of a gap their kind of still is. Yeah, I mean, I said this, but imagine Ram finishing runner-up at the 2047 Masters. That's how fucking old Phil Mickelson is and he just did that. We're gonna need some time to dissect that.

But I know you got a busy Sunday night schedule, so we appreciate you coming on and jumping on. Any last parting thoughts before you get back get back to your your evening programming. Uh, no, just have enjoyed, you know, you guys are, you guys are toad in the rock this week. Have enjoyed it. Thank you for all you do for the game and look forward to, um, yeah. Well, I guess I'll talk to you personally tomorrow, but the listeners, I'm not sure what to say to them. Thanks for holding this accountable, Randy. On, on, you know, the block party got a little out of hand. I'll hand up on that, you know, I do want to say sorry.

Before I leave, I just wanted to say, Sully or DJ, whoever made the point about, you know, him wanting to put the chip on his shoulder, I think we also have to just consider, you know, none of us live through the Arnold Palmer days. But like, what does it look like if we're already never ones another major? Like, I think we have to start thinking about that. It still feels like a long shot given his age, but it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. I don't think I don't know the way he's I feel like he's in, you know, great physical condition, limited injury history. And like, there's a lot of room to run with, especially of course, like a gust of room to run with, especially a course

like a gust of where it's proven that, you know, people on the older side can, can get it done out there. I'm not going to go that far, Randy. Let me put it that way. I'll go down that road. I'm not ready to declare. I'm just saying we got to start just at least acknowledging the possibility that there could be a 2% possibility, right?

That he's not going to win again. We will have a celebration for you for what happened after the 2019 open championship because that's been four years since you declared him dead and it hasn't happened since then. So if that's the case, listen, we would love to give you a little ribbing when one of your takes doesn't work out.

If that one does work out, I think it should be celebrated. Well, I might be dead by then, but it is crazy. Tiger and Phil have won majors since Rory last one. I don't think that gets enough. That is wild. And that's true guys are phenomenal, phenomenal golfers. And I think what's most fascinating about it is,

I know we try not to like super psychoanalyze, but it's so fucking clear that the game is there in such an obvious way And it's just one thousand percent mental It's where it makes the no show concerning right because I I've spent a lot of a lot of real estate on this podcast last year Like saying like guys. This is different. He played really freaking well in majors in 2022 It was so a step backwards like this. I still not I'm like I'm not calling a huge cause for concern I'd be very surprised if he wasn't very competitive in the majors in the remaining three Do I think he's gonna win one sitting here right now? No, I don't but I'd be surprised to be laid more eggs like this

I don't think this is the future of Rory and majors so I hope not anyways. I hope not well boys I'll get out of here. Thank you. Have a good show Thank you mr. Big thanks for coming on This episode is of course brought to you by our friends at Titleist and number one ball at the Masters, the most played driver, Iron and Wedge and Potter this week at Augusta National. One thing we learned through our partnership with Titleist is the importance of fitting. It's critical to playing your best golf. Every golfer can benefit from a proper golf ball and club fitting in the order of which they do it is very important. On tour, Titles, Fitters will begin the process with irons.

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a fitter near you. I can confirm Titles was the number one golf ball at the Lake Park Pitchin putt this weekend as well. Okay, very good weather has turned so it's not exciting. Let's go next to our big J journalist man on the ground. Kevin Van Volkenberg has tracked down some more recording space. It had a gust in national KVV. Welcome to show how are you buddy. Hello family. What how did you spend your day? What did you see? I followed the big boys, followed Brooks and John for I would, 80% of the round. I peaked up and when we saw the fill had shot 65, I wanted to race over to the podium just to see if

Phil was going to sort of stunt on everyone. I was like, a field might have just won the Masters. Like, there's like a 10% chance or less that that happened. So we waited around for a little bit and then raced down after that to catch the boys at 12 and 13. So what a fun day though is I would like to say I called Phil 65 on the pod last night. I said, Phil could shoot 65. And so I would like some credit for that. It's all it's all we've been talking about before you can't imagine. Yeah. Question for you. All the commenters too. Yeah was, I think, Jonathan and our slack chat. There was no post-round interviews.

Did Phil do any media after the round? Or... Only a little. He was like, hey, there's a lot of golf to be played. You never know what might happen. I really only like to answer like three questions. So he answered like three kind of lame questions and that was it.

So that was Phil's extended things. I can understand kind of lame questions and that was it. So that was Phil's extent of things. I can understand kind of where he was coming from just because like he probably felt like, Hey, if I'm going to win this, I'm going to come back and get in the press conference and I'm going to stunt on everybody and it's going to be great. That didn't happen. And so he just got to get in his jet and go home. So he did stick around. I'll say that the stick is press conference of all time. Yes, he did stick around to hug John He was very like sort of He made a hug John's wife. He was

You know his his agent Steve Lowe was in tears was weeping after then so After his round fills rounds. I was a big day for Steve. Yeah, it was an inching scene as it always is under the tree At a guy said I came of you. How was Rom's interview or his, his pressur afterwards? It's good. I think what was interesting about, uh, John's, the pressur is he sort of was like, yeah, I kind of expected this. You know, I, I dreamt about this, but it wasn't like, there was any kind of big, you know, man, this is like, he didn't cry, he didn't sort of have it and get really emotional,

getting, you get too deep, he was just like, yeah, like, this is what I always kind of dreamed of, and, you know, it's been a lot of time like thinking about Sebi all week. And, you know, I know he was looking down on me and then giving me the sort of extra strength. And, but it was kind of like business like someone that didn't ask him solid about if he could win the Grand Slam. I think they met the big Grand Slam. But I, my mom, I was like, oh, Sal, he's going to love this. He said, hey, I just got one.

Let's just wait. I got only got one right now. But I think they met the, you know, did you guys know that John is the first European to ever win the Masters in the US open. It doesn't make any sense, but they said that they had that stat on there. Yeah, they were talking about who won US open and then the Masters and I was trying to think I was like, dude, yeah, I'm he couldn't. I'm coming up a I couldn't Gary Williams brought it up to him and he was like, are you serious? You got to be kidding. I got I don't believe I'm the first one. And it was really like he was about his mind blown. He's like, thank you for so much for saying that because I don't know where I would have learned it other way. So it was a great like it was really kind of you rare that you see an athlete's mind kind of blown in an interview like that. So it seems like it seems like Roy's won one of masters at some point, hasn't he?

Yeah, I think it's not. I will say similar to the buoy thing, I don't want the credit for the Grand Slime thing. All right, a lot of people have been saying it, okay, a lot of people in a lot of places have been hinting that he might win the Grand Slime. So please, I don't want all the credit. I just, I can't keep track of what side of the fence

style he's on on the board. It's a great job of putting out that take backing way off of it and then coming to Russian back. Way off of it. Oh my god. Everybody live Bob. Get away. Get away. Get away. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, those are the best, those are the best take. All the take was was, is it crazy to think that he might win the Grand Slam? And now is it? How crazy was it now? Un-unprompted went back and said that was crazy. That was crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy. But was crazy. It was crazy, but. Maybe not. I mean, statistically, the only golfer in the universe. Which, yeah, I did go back to the clip and DJ,

you actually followed it up by saying, if I was to better than anyone, to win the Grand Slam, it would be John Robb. You said something along those lines. So you can, we can share credit for those guys. Yeah, it's kind of a kind of a collab. Yeah, awesome. What is it?

It is a kin to the guy with the, when he's like, fakes, like he's gonna drink the detergent and he's like no Yeah, somebody the company I'm playing both sides. So I always come out on top meme. That is perfect That's perfect. So I'll ask you to do you of you this right now. Does John Rom win another major this season? Yes I think so I will say yes. I will say yes. And I don't think I'm caught up in the reasons he buys that we just we're talking about like 16 minutes ago. I'm going to say no because I think the game is very deep right now in the top 10. So I don't I think he will

be there, but I don't think he will win another one. Man, that's a really good question. I think he's going to win three more for the record. I think in a weird way, I'm gonna say yes. Normally, I would say no, just because it's such a long shot that someone's gonna win too, but I feel like the other venue set up really well for him. He's something's clearly different. Well, here's an interesting, we were asking, talking to Adam Hayes afterwards,

and someone said, yes, it's John's Catti, if you don't know, like, what is he capable of? What do you think he'll do it? And usually, you know, the Catti's there sort of like, oh, no, I don't want to put a number on it. He was like, well, I don't know, what is he capable of? What do you think he'll do it? And usually, the caddies, they're sort of like, oh, no, I don't want to put a number on it. He was like, well, I don't think he's going to catch tiger or anything, but those days are gone, but I could see him winning double-digit majors.

And I was like, whoa, double-digit, it's only like four guys ever who've done that. That's quite the thing. The sit, Adam and I would get along well. Adam needs to come on the pod. He's kind of bull-picked. I think he and I need to have a beer and talk about our overunders. Am I wrong in that, or do you guys know what it like?

Can you put your finger on anything that it might be? Like something has clearly, clearly changed in order for him to become this relentless player that he wasn't a year ago, two years ago, any of that stuff. And that's pretty much the spot. But like that's that's kind of where I'm like, yeah, I can kind of see it. Keep going. I have a good example, I think like what happened on the very first whole of the tournament. He makes a double bogey four puts the first screen. He was actually saying that he was pissed off at Zachard's the

Philip former Eagles tight end because Zach had texted him like 10 minutes for the round and said, Oh man, the first green looks pretty easy. You're good to go. And he was like, I'd never do pretty easy. You're good to go. And he was like, I'd never do that again to me. I've never. But he was, I think that was a great example of how he was just like, all right, fine. Like that should happen. And now I'm going to just be chill. I'm going to relax. And he didn't get like, let it sort of stew and rage, you know, that he still has that sort of like inner fire, but it's like, he's got it more under under control and he's a more patient player when he needs to be.

And I think like Jordan was talking for a long time after the round today and he was basically, Jordan said, I was basically like 50% committed on like all of my shots throughout the first three rounds. And Adam Hayes was saying, he said, the one thing he said to John today was, all I want you to do is be 100% committed on every shot.

Just I don't care if it's like, you got to aim 30 feet right of a pin, like you have to commit to that. And that I think is a little bit the difference of like, there's times when, you know, John will get really pissed and he, you know, he would want to do something that you know, Adam would sort of argue over it. Now it's like he's more willing to sort of accept

some of that advice and really kind of be in the moment. And I think that's the difference. He's just going to give himself more chances. I don't know that I win more majors, but he'll give himself more chances this year. Deconstructing it here, though, I mean, I know I bore people to death with the strokes gain stuff, but he's just crazy, freaking good at every aspect of the game. His driving's actually taken a dip this year, but he's gotten a half shot better from last year in approach play alone per round.

Like that's enormous. that's absolutely enormous. He's gotten almost a half shot better per round in shots around the green and he's gaining almost a shot on the green's per round. Like there's no flaws, there's absolutely no flaws. Everything is way, way, way above average. He's like essentially top 15 in every possible category and that dude is just gonna be there

at the end of 72 holes. That's why everybody calls him the booey. Like's just inevitable. It's just going to be there. And yeah, I have to really dig in to find some kind of flaw right now. Driving accuracy for the last month probably has been, but he averages 15 yards longer than the average guy. So he's long enough. He hits it close. He puts it great when he hits it close. And when he misses green, he chips it close. Good fucking lock beat in that dude. I think one thing too, just to shout out, like I absolutely not saying causation correlation, but I don't think it's nothing is the work he's putting in on strategy stuff and biomechanic stuff.

He's doing a lot of stuff with the guys at TPI, I know Dave Phillips and also our guy, Nico Darius, who does a golf blueprint stuff. I know they've been working on different strategy stuff together and Again, like I haven't gotten a full download on how much of an impact that's made or what kind of specifically they're working on but Certainly doesn't seem like nothing doesn't seem like he's gotten worse. Let's tell you that There's a shot from uh, I think it was the players like four years ago on I think 11 When he and and Adam went back and forth on some stupid like he's trying to go for it on 11 and he was over on the left side and they got a big fight about it and it just seems like that kind of stuff is not there anymore it's like he is so talented that he they're making a game plan ahead of time and he's hitting the shots like he's just executing the game plan to a T and then not letting himself, like you're saying, KVV, like he's being patient enough to be like, nope, this

is part of the game plan, like we're laying up on 15, we're hitting it, you know, we're hitting it on this side of the fairway, like, like a singular focus on what the plan was and then just to have the talent to be able to execute it, because you see a lot of masters guys, like champions that have to hit hero shots, Like other than 14, it was just like really good shots, but it wasn't really like, oh my God, I have to make a crazy savior. And even the one on 14, it wasn't like it was, I absolutely have to have it right now, because you already had the cushion. All right. Neil, I thought of that thing at the players 100%. He was trying to hit like

an eight iron from the 220 yards. And it was just like seemed inexplicable. And the Adam kind of almost like you could tell he was almost like seemed inexplicable. And Adam, kind of almost like, you could tell him he was almost hinting at that. He's like, now I'm grateful because he accepts the things that I tell him. He still does a lot of the stuff on his own, but he's willing to take those things of advice. And I think that's a sign of like growing up a little bit.

I see in the chat there, did he slow-play Brooks? Man, can't lay was super slow. I gotta say, the group in front of them was slow too, but it was obvious how they were waiting. I mean, I could not believe when I got off of one green and over to 2T, we heard two balls go and looked over there and I was like, wait a minute, that's, that's hobbling that can't lay.

I cannot believe they just teed off, but they had just been, you know, they had been backed up a little bit. It was constant slow play out there. It was a little frustrating. There's a, I saw it tweet earlier that I thought I actually noticed this too from, I think is it Luke. Curtain.

Sorry, I always get the K and the D mixed up. Apologies. Luke is D and L. He's made of wool. He tweeted this out that that ROM was kind of, you know, walking ahead of Brooks on most teas. And I felt this. I felt like he was tapping in for putts and he was off to the next tea as quickly as possible. He just kind of had the honor all day

and he was just very much like asserting himself physically on teaboxes and stuff. And I think there was something to that. Like he was kind of, he was out in front of this, like kind of duel that was being set up that we were talking about the last two nights. And that was noticeable to me. So when I saw this tweet, I was like, oh man, that's, I'm on the same page.

Yeah, we got to flip over to Brooks at some point. I don't know if you have what your reaction is as to what you, what you saw out of Brooks kept us today, Kevin. I mean, I think it just started from the beginning. Like I could not believe how far ball, far that left ball was on off of one. I mean, he had an unbelievable shot. I was standing right there with him to get to that first green. But you could just tell, like, something was off,

the rhythm was off, like he was not able to sort of play the alpha. I mean, he had some bad drives. He put himself in some bad spots. I couldn't believe how wild he was off the tee. If you thought that drive was too far left, then that tells the story right there. The service to Air chloroform ball. So good.

He planned from nine fairway. I just, he never, I don't know, like he's not a fiery guy. So it was interesting, like there were times when he was sort of chatting with Ram, he wasn't really trying to like, you know, stone wall and murny thing. And he just didn't have it today. I think John was even, he mentioned that in the, yeah, I showed up there chasing him down.

You can tell the fitness is very similar there between us and the picture. I just feel like it was kind of a disappointing, obviously just for him, but it was disappointing just to watch because I thoroughly thought that he was going to deliver. I think we need to talk a little bit about Sunday rounds from Brooks. And I mean, like Harding Park, you know, if like the one at Pebble where he had the chance to catch Gary Woodland, like he was in it at Port Rush and even Beth Page, 21, even that page.

I mean, a little shaky down the stretch. It's all his, had this theory for a long time. I think it's, there's some validity to it. I saw Brooks, I walked within that day at Beth Page. I've never seen a great player look so shook in like still win a major down the stretch. I mean, he was terrified that he was going to blow it. And I think I can't say that that's entering a news head, but I just, whatever the sort of, I think she, of like perfection in him that he never was scared, whatever, that day,

it was enough of a wobble to where it isn't quite the same. And who knows, I don't really, you know, I'm sure a lot of people make they were out people out there making jokes about, oh, if it was 54 holes, you would have won, if it was 11, you would have won, you could hear him sort of yelling that and stuff. And I don't really buy into that. I just think like, whatever reason the nerves kind of maybe got to him a little bit today. And we're just moving little too quick. And when you're a fast player and things start going bad, you have to really be conscious of like slowing yourself down. Some of those times when you hit it in the trees, I was amazed at how fast he

would get in there and assess it and hit it out. And like it didn't really hit poor shots in those situations. The pitch outs were fine. But man, like he moves quick. And I think that can be a little bit of a detriment when it's a little bit off. You guys know I'm a big probability guy. So it's just very weird when it kind of unfolds the way this way that it does. Like no one goes four for four, like for their first four times in contention at majors. Like that's so unlikely. And Brooks did that. And so, you

know, he's running off just this crazy high confidence. And then that last one, like, again, I theorized since Beth Page, like that last one was different. Like he did not run sprint through the finish line. He did not definitively win that one. He won it the first three days. And he felt a little bit of that Sunday pressure. And since then, he's not won one. And the Sundays have been really bad. And he's been in contention in a bunch.

And so if you look at the overall record, like the amount of times he's been in contention, still amazingly good record winning four of them, right? and he's been in contention in a bunch. And so if you look at the overall record, like the amount of times he's been in contention, still amazingly good record, winning four of them, right? But when it happens consecutively of, whoa, all right, now this is building, like in your head is this building now, because that's what it looked like today. I don't wanna do the live 54 whole thing,

but I do wanna go to, the guy hadn't played really good golf for a long time, right? And doing that for 72 holes against the best player in the world is really, really freaking difficult, right? And do I think he could have benefited from competing in the Genesis this past year and competing at Bay Hill and competing at the players rather than, you know, competing at crooked cat? Potentially.

It's really, really freaking hard to say. That being said at the end of the day, his week is worth noting as a really good week. The return of books kept got a major championship golf. It's a win for him in a way. He said that the live stuff was not enough for him. That's why he entered the Saudi tournament. That's why he entered in Oman. And he got blow off the map in Oman and he was even like, yeah, I mean, I don't want to

make excuses, but it was really tough weather. I got a bad tea time. Like it was just a hard thing. But he felt like it was not enough events to kind of get him prepped. And he's the one who said, I miss competing against Scotty and Rory and John. Like he volunteered that information.

So, you know, it look, today could have been a really big win for life. Like they could have sort of established like, hey, we have the open champion, we have the master's champion. Like, you, like our guy Phil who built our whole league had a great showing in this. And I think if all the people who are ready to crawl about how awesome it was, like, maybe they ought to look around and be like, oh, man, it has to be a little bit of a blow.

Like the opportunity was there to grab something and to sort of stunt on everybody. And it didn't happen. And so I mean, how can you say it's not a win for, you know, if you're into this narrative, like it's pretty cool narrative for John Rom and the PJ tour that he was able to win this. I think it's interesting. You can kind of go either way, right? As like the week, I think it's fair to make the case

that the week was like an undoubted W for live in that it proved that some of these guys can still show up to majors and still be very relevant and they're clearly, you know, up there with the best players in the world. And I think all of that is great and totally fair and candidly went a lot better than I thought it was going to go. So hand up for me on that one. But I think like the other thing is like it doesn't make me want to fucking watch live. That's what I say. It doesn't fucking matter. Also, what you just described makes me more pissed that I'm like the other thing is, like it doesn't make me wanna fucking watch live. That's what I say, it doesn't fucking matter.

Also what you just described is a more pissed that I'm like, well why are we not seeing these guys all the time? That's it. And it also like the win for live is a win for everyone. Like that was interesting to watch those dudes get involved and part of the reason, again I've said this, but part of the reason I've been bummed out

by the whole thing is like I like watching these dudes compete and to know that that is still there and they can be competitive, as much as I don't like live, this is not live versus PGA tour this week. This is a major, this is totally fucking different, totally different. And exactly what you said, Dij,

it does not clear a enormous hurdle here, which is live is not watchable, right? It does not make me wanna go watch Brooks compete on that tour, it really does not. Not fill, it does make me want to go watch Phil. It makes me super confused and intrigued as to how Phil just did what he did this week, but it changes nothing about the week to week.

It still has diluted week to week goals. I also not take anything away from anybody, but I do also think the master's is very, very different than the US Open or the PGA or the Open is going to be. Very different golf course that we've seen Tiger play this place in his sleep on one leg. We've seen Fred couples make the cut. We've seen Phil do what he did today. I do think the master's is different and I'm not totally expecting the same thing, but I think they've proven that, you know, I won't be as surprised if definitely won't be surprised if Brooks contends, but I think I wouldn't be as surprised as come to the

other guy. And that's not downplaying it. I'm agreeing with you. And that's not downplaying what they just did. So you buy a high-fire jersey? No. I think what I was saying is it was a medium win. It was a medium win for Liv. It could have been a huge win for Liv. And it just slipped away a little bit. And it was still a win for them for sure.

But it would have dumped it down. It would have clouded it. I'm sorry, no problem. It would have been like, this is not a win. Again, I'm not like a PGA tour fan as much people think. It's not like a win for the PGA tour for Ram to win this, right? It's just not what it's misunderstanding

with the situation. What's interesting, no, go ahead, Neil, because I want to hear your point. No, I'll give you the last word. Okay. Well, finish the live conversation because mine's going to be about Brooks. I'd like to be about Brooks.

I'd like to talk about Brooks specifically. I didn't think it was gonna be like on the grounds as much about live stuff, but for people, it genuinely was. Like, there were way more cheers for ROM throughout the entire day. I mean, people were, I would say, 70, 30% behind ROM throughout the day.

And both of the players felt that. And I think like it was really kind of, a little bit disarming to feel like a European player was getting way more support than American player. And you could hear people talking about, it was essentially grounded in the feelings that people have about live. I'm just, you know, you like that or not, like that's what was driving a lot of it. So it was interesting, like I thought the major would be sort of a little bit sever, I think for Phil, there's maybe a little different Phil had a ton of support out there But people don't have those quite of warm feelings about Brooks And so they were clearly pro-Rom throughout the day

Lastly just to close it was kind of like this was a win for John Rob not the PJ tour and a win for Brooks Capca would have been a win for Brooks Capca and not for live like the live boys would have counted as a win But like they're playing a totally different game over there live boys would have counted it as a win, but like they're playing a totally different game over there. I was just going to be like, no, we'll just keep going. We'll make that the private chat. Outside of a bunch of money, Phil moves from 425th in the world up to 72nd in the world. Other big jump on here. P moves from 70th in the

world to 45. Thomas Peters dropped or moves up one spot. Brooks goes, Brooks goes from one 18 to 39th in the world. And those are the only big OWGR live moves. And really not a big deal as far as like the top 12 earn your way in next year. I think everybody other than Brooks. Well, I guess Brooks would have been eligible next year anyways through his his most recent PGA championship, but I think everybody else was either a past champion or not or didn't get in. Neiman was the next closest at T 16. So, smell yeah, better look next year.

Took, just coming off that world ranking, that was a question from Fox trot Steven. He said, does this top five finish make the case that live tournaments should get OWGR points as your resident OWGR guy answer to that question? No, it doesn't change anything about anything. Like I hate to be the super boring guy, but like dude, you're still not playing on a tour

that has any kind of qualification, you're not playing on a tour that plays, hey man, 54 holes look like it's the same as 72 holes. Like there's a reason that the tour plays 72. The cream tends to rise over those last 18 holes and the 54 hole conversion rate is freakishly low. It's a lot lower than people realize and there's a reason why they don't give a trophy out on Saturday night. So, no, it doesn't change anything in my figure this much.

You know, what was you wanted to talk Brooks? Well, listen, I need Tony reality hitting with a bunch of points here on the around the horn for weight in my turn. But I think I, the live discussions find I just don't think that I would think Brooks would be like, fuck that. Like he sees himself as an individual. So I don't think he gets Totally number one number two. I've been a big Brooks hater Known hater of Brooks. I saw I was actually very impressed with the way he finished his round the day I thought it was very impressive and something that I appreciate one of you guys might have said something about it last night He doesn't complain doesn't bitch and moan on the course. I think he swags around and sometimes his, his cockiness gets a little annoying and, you know, his attitude can be a

little, you know, grating for me at times. But the way that he, he did get some really shitty breaks today where the ball landed on, stayed on 13 where the ball stayed on nine and he just goes about his business. And I thought he finished his round very strong, even though he ran out of gas. And I thought that was impressive. Second point I wanna make about him is, what we haven't talked about is, if you notice in round three, he was spitting a lot. Just all over the place.

Every time they cut the camera to him, round four. So nervous, he couldn't say. He couldn't even spit. It was pressure pressure playing in simple boys. That's pressure. Back nine at Augusta. I thought Imelmond made a great point on the broadcast about Brooks playing in wildly different conditions today than he did the first two days also. And I thought it was like it's a good indicator of we've heard it all week. We'll hear it for a year until the next year's tournament, the fine line that is Augusta National, right? And how harsh of a dividing line that can be. He wasn't that far off. I mean, the chloroform ball on one was, you know, that happens and that could have been pressure that could have been whatever, but

Beyond that the shot on two wasn't that far off. It was Directly at the flag and he just misjudged the wind. And if it goes another yard or two, he might have like a five footer for Eagle. The shot on three, he was just a little bit off could make the birdie. The shot on four, he was just a little bit off and was in the bunker. And then now all of a sudden we're like

pushing and pressing a little bit. And it was just a good indicator of like, Ram looked much more comfortable navigating all that stuff and playing to fat parts of greens. The shot Ram hit in four was so fucking underrated, but just the high cut right to the spot where the green gets a little fatter, where you don't have to worry about that bunker at all. And it was just the most stress free parts the same on 12, right? And that's what I was going to say about the artist conversations. Like they said, if I'm remembering the numbers,

right, I think it was 161, like through the air on 12, playing straight down wind. So they said it was playing like 145. And Rob hit a nine iron, which is a ton of club. And they even said on there, like this is, yeah. I was nervous about that. And he just flattened it out and hit this like perfect control spin right to like within a fucking cup of where he was looking.

And it's just like, oh, dude, this is the guy that's in total control. And then he steps up on the next hole and he said it afterwards, right to left wind. And like hitting a draw when you're used to hitting a fade with a right to left wind, with the tournament losing creek on the left is very scary shit.

And he steps up and just does it perfectly. I mean, it was like, that's where it's like, oh, this is over. Like these guys aren't playing the same sport today. I do want to call, put a, just a flag on this to remember for future years. So if, if, if we're throwing out 21 and 22 for Brooks, which I think is pretty legit, considering how injured he was in 2021 and 2022 just wasn't fully back. He missed the cut. And both of those masters, T2, T7, T2, like an extremely competitive T2 in 2019.

And just watching him play this golf course, it is a great course fit for him. It really, really is a great course fit. And I would not be surprised. I think he should be one of the, I mean, obviously we'll see what happens the next year, but I say this now, but one of the top five favorites head in the next year.

You know, we cannot sleep on Brooks coming into this tournament if he's healthy next year. I will not make that mistake. I'm excited to have him back in the mix. I really am in majors like I worried that he was body was gonna be broken forever. And you know, I think he worried obviously it was gonna be broken forever.

Me talked about it. He almost really was like, I'm never gonna play golf casually if I can't play golf. I'm just gonna walk away from it. And maybe some of that is Brooks is kind of, you know, pinching for being a little dramatic. But I think he's really gonna be fun to see at Harding. Mary, excuse me, at Oak Hill, and he's going to be really

fun to see it at the next two at LCC and Liverpool. He's a fun person to have in the mix. We said it last night. This may, this close call makes him more interesting to me than if he had won. And I know that's kind of a bold statement. If he won five majors, it's like, oh my god, he says, historic golfer. It's an up a bold statement. If he won five majors, it's like, oh my god, he's a historic golfer

It's an up new echelon that he reaches, but I just think him having to face the demons a little more is good I'm looking forward to seeing him at the next major and think about the think about the concurrent paths of him and Rory Both having four and the two different paths of like trying to break that and the louder that that monkey gets on their back And it's just it's good stuff as a golf fan. Very fun to follow. Do you guys, I do have some things to say as a regards to the rules of golf, do you want to do that now or you want to say that for the end? I know we've talked a lot about that this week, but I'll let you say it for the end.

Say it for the end. Say it really. Okay. Okay. No, I'm going to drop out. What just let me know when you're what you're getting out of it. I lost accession. Because that is the reason I found myself

rooting against Brooks was I did not want. I did not want it to come down to that and I have very, very strong feelings on that. But all right, Kevin, why don't we let you go? Cause we have someone we need to bring in. Are you right about, Kevin? Yeah, I think we're going to write about the butcher. I think that's probably a big thing. Well, we'll try to kind of wrap up a lot of happy customers coming in, taking it, gonna write about the butcher. I think that's probably a big thing. We'll try to kind of wrap up.

A lot of happy customers coming in, taking it, taking it at the counter. They're getting their choice meets this time. I'm cut, snail. Oh, God. It's not real. It's like the kind of the sopranos. Listen, brother,

Pinterest for everybody. Okay, homones flying around thinly sliced aged meats. I love it. Oh, what a fun week. Super excited to have been it done it and I hope you guys will read. Thanks for everybody came up to me out there. I was like, Hey, I love the pod. Old guys, young guys, it was super fun. Kind of a cross section of people who would listen to us. So very cool. Thank you. Thank you for all the effort and get pleased. Check out Kevin. If you're listening to the podcast, check it out. NoLangup up.com Whatever he's got posted up there. So thanks for all your hard work this week brother next segment guys. This is not a joke

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Or, you know, potentially, we could do Wagyu, which is from Japan, boss. Yeah, but there's struggle bringing that into the country. And there's fake Wagyu. Yeah. So anyway, I don't know how far down the board you guys got. So where should we start here? Start at the top. I was thinking about the segment. I think TC just go cook for a while. I need you to go down the leaderboard. And I what we need you to say about it, everybody, as always. All right. Well, so we got that we got the Brooks TC. So we haven't

hit speed yet. So you're here. We haven't heard anything from T.C. I want to start at the top. All right, so am I under any sort of time limit here? Or do you just let you know? We'll tap you on the shoulder. It's like the it's kind of like what you're done playing the masters. It's a yield now. Yeah, you can't talk about membership. We'll let you know if you fucked up or not. Yeah. All right. Yeah, I'm proud of Ram, man. Like I tweeted it. He's not the most endearing guy

in the world. He bitches about every put that he misses by four feet on the wrong side of the hole. But it's like, man, like, he just, he works his ass off. He's there self-belief there. And I think he's coming from a place of, he's an underdog, right? Like, the guy was born with a club foot. He's not, probably not the best athlete in the world. And he's just like, he's gone and done it. And he's

committed to living in Scottsdale and come to the US. And I don't know, I respect the hell out of him. I've really, really enjoyed watching him for the last couple of years. So I also didn't realize how big of a of a live-hater or mom is Neil. She was, she was like, both Brooks, Kevka, I'm so happy that Ron, one, it was, you know, she was, she was hooting and hollering. So, um, I'm especially as a crew. Hey, can be a scary motherfucker when she wants to be. I'll tell you that. She made a great land tonight.

It was awesome. Which brings us. All right, let's keep it. Let's let's just first tap. Let's a great land tonight. It was awesome. Which brings us. All right, let's keep it. Let's just first tap. Let's keep it moving. Let's come on. Don't come on. Can't wait.

Come on. Make it look something was awesome. I was shocked at how much I was rooting for him. It was unbelievable. Like it was. Yeah, it was, you know, it's like he. Yeah, he's a lunatic and he's a sociopath. But like he's our lunatic and he's our sociopath.

I wanted to go up and give the guy a hug. Brooks, you guys probably talked about him plenty. I felt bad for Brooks and everybody that played behind Bennett and especially Cantley today, I thought I was disgusting. I mean, honestly, it was fucking gross. Like, Cantley should have been waiting behind the 18th green, giving guys hugs and Rolexes and all sorts of and deWalt power tools and all sorts of other stuff. It was gross. Which seems like can't lay. I'm surprised he wasn't. Yeah. I mean, it was

like, it was unbelievable. Like, I know there weren't holes in between. Well, it was just like every time it was, they were just off by 20 to 30 to 40 seconds and they're just standing there waiting on tees or waiting in the fairway And it's like that it's those little things that just You know mess up your timing and your rhythm if you're wrong or if you're hobbling or someone else so Speak Greller had that look in his eye from the very very very beginning today beginning today. We knew it, he knew it, and it was fun. It was fun to go along for the ride. There were a few moments.

He bogeyed four and six, I'm like, damn, all right. That was probably him winning out of the equation. He's not shooting 62, but he's going to go shoot 65 or 66. So I would have been really bummed if if Ron would have come back to the field and we would have had those spit bogies. But I'm glad he just blew the doors off. So at least that was good. P.

Yeah. It's been nine birdies. P was awesome, man. I mean, he looked like a chip in Dale's dancer makes with the Easter bunny. Just like my wife say, look like a limo driver. It was like one of the all things. same do worst outfits I've ever seen before it was like the recycled Nike stuff from four or five years ago when they kept trotting out the

future but he but he like put new embroidery on it yeah easy post things of that nature so shout out to him limo drivers driver's a really good one. Uh, he's like the limo driver from the wedding singer. There were tones. There were tones. Henley. I mean, I think everybody knew he wasn't going to win today. But he, you know, he gave it a value and effort. The guy lives in Columbus, Georgia. Still blows me away that he chooses to live there.

As someone from the state of Georgia, no offense to anyone, but just it always baffles me. He's probably also doing a ton of ton of afflack corporate stuff during the week with all the Japanese people they bring in there. Neil, I'm wondering if Russell Henley's the guy that knocked you for the club advice in your age of G.A. event. No, it wasn't him, but I do think I remember, I think I ran into Henley on the Atlanta junior golf circuit in the early days, but I can't, that can't be confirmed. I don't know. I something that might, I'm like, I think I play with him at Capitol City one time, but I don't know. That's, we'll take that off on. Cammy on 68 this afternoon. I didn't feel like a 68. I don't know if you guys agree.

In a good way or bad way? Yeah, it's felt very sloppy, but we also didn't see that all that much. Yeah. His good weather score this week was probably very, very good. It felt like he did not mud it very well. And when the sun was out, that dude mashed this week. That was the most animated I've ever seen him, though. I mean, I think I counted three, at least three club drops at the top of the follow through.

Like he was fighting it a little bit the last we got a case of the left going on It just wasn't good. He wasn't having a Cody will you apologize for came young? Vic you know what I'm buying on Vic I am to Vic had a tough tough Sunday I'm bullied by the way that he finished the round. I think that he He did a good job finishing the round. He did a good job You know didn't do great stuff to begin the round. He had kind of a school job to begin But I don't know I just I think Vick is hold on. I'm throwing a challenge flag here. All right Not very difficult conditions hobbling to 74 in round. Yeah, and 74th the open. I mean come on reps

in the last summer. It did. And I think Vic is going to keep knocking on the door. It's all reps for Vic. It's all sample size. It's all your probability guy. You just said that. If you're betting on probability. Right.

It's not. It's not probability. It's not sustainable. I would bet on like ball striking to win out of everything else. The guy hit like 18 fairies in a row at one point. Watching it. We're going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to do that. I'm going to be able to do that. I would bet on like ball striking to win out of everything else the guy hit like 18 fairies in a row at one point watching it with Carson. She's like oh my god

He's every time it comes on screen all poor Victor like he's so cute. You get the beauty pie That was her quote for pie at the old course like all what Yeah, as much as I want to bail from Vic I can't help but I think we hold a little longer. Yeah, nibble a little bit longer. Yeah, Saheth. I'm pumped. I'm pumped. I think this is a great great course for him. Yeah, maybe the shot of the day. I'm 16. The the the chip in was epic. Talk about a guy that yeah, from the speed school of like, are we sure this guy's good at golf? A lot of those shots were silent. I signed me me up man. I'm rooting for every one of them I love watching them, but a lot of the shots are just like oh god That's not supposed to look like that. What do we do?

We do let's let's tease that out a little bit farther because you had like a Consolid to play proper golf. I said I don't know if you can play real golf And you know, I think a ninth place finished at the Masters. I think proves, you know, at least trends is towards a he can play real golf. I just hard when you, you know, if you're hitting the driver's squarely and you're hitting recovery shots all day, and then when you are in the fairway, you're blowing seven irons up into the fucking grandstands. And like, there's just a lot of weird, weird stuff going on from, from our guy. But, you know, it seems like a, it seems like a super stressful way to make a career playing pro golf.

Can I just say this was the longest golf tournament I feel like I've ever watched. There were so many ebbs and flows. This I feel like saw it balled out, shit the bed, balled out, shit the bed, and then balled out again. I swear everybody played 144 holes this week. Everything. It was so much golf. It was like, I binge so much golf and I looked up and we still had like 30 holes to play for the leaders.

And then you have a can't lay like, like long, long, just walking really slow, long. And I, you know, shout out to Victor on 13 for giving him like the double middle fingers and as he's walking up to the green, how do you even cross a bridge and he's like, he's chipping. He's like, he's so obvious to the green, how do you even cross a bridge? And he's like, he's chipping. He's like, he's sitting on 11. It was just so obvious that he was frustrated with that. I'm a hot, I'm gonna go ahead.

I'm a hovelin fan. I'm a, I'm a, I'm in on it. He doesn't feel like a threat to me right now in this. At no point. Like, we're not there yet, but I think he's gonna keep knocking on the door. He's like, you see in our years down the future. Yeah.

Yeah. He was definitely lingering all week. I mean, the, the, the owner asked him, hey, listen, man, can you go skateboard over there in the church parking lot across the street? He said, yes, sir, of course I can. But as he gets older, he may, you know, he may not be his polite.

But there's certain guys that when you watch, I'm able to feel like Randy, like Randy thinks nobody's ever gonna win. And like when I watch, can't lay in feel like Randy, like Randy thinks nobody's ever gonna win. And like when I watch, can't lay in a major, like I'm like, I feel very safe. Like this is not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. He's gonna be around, it's not gonna happen.

And in Holland, starting to get there with me, I'm just putting a warning watch on that. TC, I've got a question for you. And I will take that I want to run by you. So this T10 through, I want to say say T 16 is I don't want to call other than Sheffler. Obviously, it's not mules here, but they're like mini ponies. You've got Shoffley, Mooraka, Woodland, Cantley, Tom Kim, Sung J. M. Neeman. They're like pedigzo horses. Like they're not. They're not. They're not. They're not. And they're not mules. It's like

they're the mini ponies. No, the cond sales are, well, maybe. Cond sales are just out there filling out the fields, doing work. That's what these guys are doing. So it's good. I feel like there's something in between. So I need some help that you're not

if they're mini ponies or if they're shetlands. Or I don't, I'm not a horse, isn't that well? Cody, help me out here. Get off Tom Kim. First, first masters, props to Tom Kim. I thought he played awesome. How dare you. Well, he played in the pen like that like that. Tom Kim's been a little overhyped. I mean, all this talk of him being the kid. That's PGA. 20 and he's one, two PGA tour of events. He's not

been overhyped. He's been underhyped. I think he's something on the mini ponies. Come on. I might switch Tom Kim and Sungjae. I put Sungjae with the group you're talking about. You would make him a mini-com. Yeah, one of the dress-auge horses or one of the, uh, uh, uh, no, I think the Clod's deal is good. He's just people changing. Yeah, I think the Clod's deal is good. Clod's deal.

No, they're not Clod's deal. No, because they're our, they're just out there doing work, man. It's like they're not getting elevated mules. They're not getting trophies, but they just... We got to call, we got to call and Cody. He's the horse guy. You're the horse guy. Cody, what are you, you're the, you're the, you're the, you're the Elvis and stuff with the, We got a calling Cody's the horse guy. You're the horse. Cody, what do you? You're the one. You always wear the L that's in stuff with the horses.

Cody's the cowboy. This isn't my show. I'm a producer. Stop calling me in Jim Vance. He doesn't ever get names wrong. He kept getting saw his name wrong over and over and over again. Can you get with him on that? I'll text him.

I will let him know. Thank you. This is Scott. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't want to talk about burn burns. Burns and goat. I will let him know. Thank you. This is Scott. Yeah, yeah, I don't want to talk about burn burns a goat. I don't really talk about burn. Uh, math, it's Patrick. No, no takes there this week. I'm, I'm gonna pause you on, on going down the leaderboard because I'm gonna skip down the leaderboard and ask you

to give me your reaction on two guys. Okay. Two of your boys. Do, do Cam Smith, Dustin Johnson, I believe it. That's so far down the leaderboard. That's so far down the leaderboard. I know. Yeah, I know. We're skipping. That's what I'm saying. You've been tapped on the show.

We don't need to go down every guy on the leaderboard. All right, but I want your take on these two guys. What's your reaction to their masters? Yeah, I mean, cam shot 75, 75 on the weekend. That's not good. That's not going to get done. You know, I think going into the week, we all thought like it wasn't,

it's not a great cam setup setup when it's wet as hell. And in in camp played really well, I think on Friday afternoon or Saturday morning when it got like really, really, really spicy. And I just don't think it was camp setup. And then DJ looks fat straight up. Like you just, you just, you look fat. And like like I don't think DJs taken care of himself. So I would say their their performances this week were like in general what I was fearing with live, right? Like

they were the two dudes that I thought had the best, you know, possibility of threatening obviously, they're the two best players from live and their their performances would have stuck out a lot more as, you know, not really carrying the torch

if other dudes hadn't stepped up, but like this is, this is kind of what I was afraid of. Now, look at the same, in the same vein, like Justin Thomas and Rory missed the cut as well. Like it's not like, it's representative of, of something, but it's kind of just like a, it's got to have a little more pressure on them coming into these events. And I was expecting a top 25 from Cam. I thought he would kind of turn it on a little bit and I was a little disappointed. I think Cam will do well at the US Open. I think Cam will do well with the British Open.

I don't think he's quite around in the form yet. I don't think he's gonna sustain form from mid-March until end of July, like he's trying to do the second half of the majors. It's kind of disappointing to go to Oak Hill after this. Let me pause on that on that. There's four majors. You gotta be ready to roll by the first one. Oh, I know. You gotta be ready to roll. Yeah, I don't know, but I just don't think that's how Cam's gonna roll from now on. Like, he's gonna try to just play well for like two or three months a year,

not four or five months a year. That's what, that's part of the reason you want to live, right? Like, you don't have to agree with it, but I think that's the way it's going to be. And I think cam someone who needs reps too. I think it was probably dishonest of him to say that he was, you know, getting as many reps mate as as he was in prior years, he wasn't, you know, both like tournaments and rounds per tournament. I don't know, other guys, yeah, we can skip through Shephler, like it's crazy that Shephler cluttered as poorly as he did

and finished T10 after the debacle on 12. That was not Zander or whatever Colin. Can I say one thing I've been on the fence about for a while, but I used to think this was a disaster, but if Zander can't, I want to go to live. That's fine. I don't care. I'm good.

Every time they came up, every time. Somebody said a prison exchange, if we could trade KLA for Brooks, and that was one of the best things. You could take it away. Guys, I think the biggest surprise for me today was Jason Day. It started to listen to Michael DuBlay middle of the round. Four doubles and then he finished with a birdie on 18 to shoot 80,

which is a tough, tough finish. Yeah, it was either that or Bickles did. Yeah. Biggest surprise. Jason Day almost got a high full yesterday though when he or well at this appointment he's maybe I used to word discipline. He almost fell into a trivetary of race Creek this morning. And then we had to talk about the pro career.

Yeah, I mean the pro had a tough day. So real quick, I think some Jay wins one of these T16 W, T16 needed a T12 to get in next year. One guy at T16 that I'm really, really disappointed in Shane Lowry. I thought Shane Lowry would have been a mutter for the ages in these conditions. Super hot take. How old's Waco like 24?

Do you think he played his last masters? No, cause I think at some point he probably plays well on a bridge open or I don't know, he'll qualify into a US open or a bridge open. Qualify back in the Masters. Other end of that would be I this bold probably but I don't think Liv's going to last forever. And we'll probably reconvene on the competitive, you know, golf ecosystem at some point. So I think this is last. I think we're going to get into it.

Congrats on team. Thanks, man. Yeah. P16. Really cool. How cool is that hip thing you did when he kind of who that put it? Disgusting act. Yeah.

Did you do the number of people that came at me on Twitter after that He retweeted it. So I'm sure you saw plenty of people in his dead. Yeah a lot of Canadians, especially people from New Brunswick coming at me It's just very furious being a woke liberal snowflake For those that maybe maybe we are old, but yeah, it was clearly a Joe but quote from in Ranny Moss fake moon the crowd in Green Bay. And he's what a disgusting act. Uh, that was that was the joke. I love it.

Eric on our on our telecast here. This is disgusting. Disgusting. I had you guys talk Sam Bennett yet. No, no. 76, 74 on the weekend. Does that surprise you? No, no, I mean, that's not as much as the weekend. Does that surprise you? No.

I mean, that's not as much as the previous two rounds surprised, right? I mean, it's a 16 as an amateur. It's a master's. It's a massive shout out to him. I thought he represented himself well. The, you know, the pre-shot routine needs to, we need to shorten that up. It's going to be super endearing when he turns pro. We're going to have to tighten his back. He's going to be super endearing when he turns pro. We're going to have to tighten his back.

He's going to love that. But overall, I thought I don't think it's quote on Friday held up well that Augusta was easier than Ridgewood. That was a bit of an own goal. But otherwise, I thought he big shout out to him. He played awesome. Can I put a pause? I'm going down the leaderboard and go back up the leaderboard.

And we've mentioned him. Is this not my action? It's not coming against my time. Your time. You've got a way over. Yeah. Every time is up. You could stay for this segment if you'd like, but we have not done proper justice for

Phil fucking Michelson yet. Yeah. 52 years old. Shot a 65 today and almost won the Masters. The only guy that beat him was John. Rom. Now, like he started the week like he was on one of Randy's silent retreats, like not saying a word to anyone at the champions.

Then how much more psychotic does that look now, knowing that he was whole story this or I don't know if he knew he had this, did not see this coming in any way, nothing could have foretold this happen. He hasn't even played Augusta well for five, six, seven years. He tried warning you. Said he was about to finish. I tried one you two solid. Also did you to Bernie 17 and 18 is like was just so cold blooded.

I thought that was like it was awesome to watch. It was fucking awesome. He shot 31 on the back. He played his last 12 holes in, uh, in seven under par. He and Speed shot a best ball 58 today. Didn't look like there's a whole lot of chatter between the two of them by the way, but Speed and Phil beat the shit out of, uh, Brooks and Woodland today.

If you're doing four ball stuff, save that one for later. T.C. I appreciate you stay with me on that block though. But yeah, dude, it wasn't. yeah, I don't feel even remotely bad. So people were in my ass about not calling this one coming for Phil. Hand up on this one. Did not see this one coming. Again, like I said, he had T21 T 55 T 18 T 36 T 22 and cut since he was runner up at the 2015 masters. It's not really been close at Augusta.

I know he's got an incredible record from 99 on basically, but that has been over for a while. Didn't play last year. And what a weird Wikipedia lookback. This is going to be when we look back at C2 at the 2023 Masters for him. And what's also something to you, he had doubles in round one and two.

And then he goes out and, you know, plays seven through 11, four over par in round one and two and then he goes out and you know, plays seven through 11, four over par on round three. And then like that's that's eight strokes right there. I need to keep, I hate to keep coming back to this stuff, but it's so clearly like, you know, on top of everything like these guys coming back and getting a taste of this and like contending at a major championship. Like, how fucking stupid does this make going and playing in Singapore or going and playing in at the crooked cat course feel, right? Like, does it? Do you think it, like, they can separate the two? Or do you think it, you

don't like growing the game? No, I think I'm pretty anti-grathe game. I'm on record about that Cody. Counterpoint, like, maybe I'm starting to see it through the lens of like, do these are the only things that matter. Like I'd rather just go get my money the other 14 weeks and maybe I understand that slightly more than I once did. I can totally see the other side of the coin of the other dudes that want to be more competitive year round and compete on that circuit. But again, I can't emphasize enough how different this golf is both in importance and actual test from what we see on the PGA tour.

And it matters at a totally different level. And it's a totally separate conversation. That's why I think you see like you brooks, you see P like they're, they're just competitors man. Like they're, when they're going to show up to majors, they're going to grind it out. It doesn't matter what else they do. I think a lot of the other guys are like went to live who don't have that or never really experienced that. They're truly just gone. Like Matthew Wolf gone, never to be seen again.

Jocco, who knows? That was a great question that you brought up, Dej, because he could very well be in that body still luckily, like, top 30 in the world, but for how long? I think there's, there's, there's a certain segment of like, you had to get a taste of it before you went in order there. And then I think also, it's a really interesting thing to wear a guy like Phil or a guy like Brooks Like them not psyching themselves out for an opportunity like this versus Rory who gets these opportunities and is around all year and then You know kind of freaks himself out seemingly during something like this. It's makes me respect Brooks and Phil a little bit more for You know what like they have limited opportunities and they have limited times and they're thinking about this constantly even

when they're not doing it and they make the most of it. And that's, I don't know, like it sucks because I think that's kind of a tough look for Rory. It's like, it's probably means more for these guys at this point and yet they're the ones stepping up from the plate. I think as we're sitting here right now, really tough look for Rory. I'll be keen to reevaluate when we get to the end of major championship season, right? I don't want to overreact to just one major.

Obviously, it's an enormous, enormous disappointment for him, but it, uh, I don't, I don't want to say either way that it's super. And I totally agree with the tech that like, this is probably going to be a little harder for the live guys at other majors than it is the masters. I agree. Really, I can see that 100 bigger fields and different kind of tests than this can be. Again, I don't mean to diminish this at all. I think it they were projected to have 11 and a half of their guys make the cut.

They had 12 guys make the cut. I think it was pretty and I think better performance at the top of leaderboard than I would have expected for sure. I'm definitely hand up on that one, but we'll see how it goes in the next one. I think it was an objectively bad performance for live because the guys that needed to finish top 12 didn't. To like get into, you know, next year's masters, but I think subjectively it was a good performance for live with Brooks, Phil, Pat, Pete, you know, things of that nature. Anything else you want to, you want to get out here at TCCP? Yeah, you know, real quick.

I thought we were going to have a Keegan team rose celebration there. Keegan kind of petered out Chris Kirk, good week. I'll go back. I think some J. Sungjae is going to win one of these things. Props to Scott Stallings. I want to try that again. TC, any one final thing before you go here. Parting thoughts on Sungjae and Jess Riz. You brought me in to go down the leaderboard.

All right. Oh, and we have. Holly Fleetwood, 74, 74 on the weekend. Hand up. We're not back yet. We're going to be back, but we're not back yet. I apologize to you guys. Well, you guys all apologize to me. Well, you guys, I need all of you guys to apologize to me for shooting me down when I said Patrick,

Creed was going to have a good week. Yeah, I apologize. I will apologize. I was the, I was the lead protagonist and shooting you down. I'll apologize for that. Yeah, so, but I didn't pimping this week. You know, I think I'm disappointed in that. I'm Scott 7774. We talked about the pro here in English. I thought we talked about the pro T43. We haven't really talked about the pro. Tough. That's Max.

He's a mother. He's a mother. And then the commission's got good. And yeah, I think listen, he's a top five player in the world now. His expectations are much better than T43 at the Masters. I think he would tell you the same by that measure, very, very, very disappointing week,

especially leaves an awful taste. 78 on the Sunday is just really awful, awful taste in the mouth. So I don't know, man, that's, it's kind of the, it's kind of the one thing like you can talk to him. You can listen any interview he does. Like that is the thing that's on his mind. Like I fucking hear ya, I know,

I haven't been good at majors, we're working on it. And for him to kind of spit the bit in this way, it was probably very frustrating for him. And frustrating for me. This didn't feel like a normal major though, right? Well, I felt like this week was gonna be different, right? It felt like it was the first one since he's kind of made the leap that he's made.

And still monitoring the situation. I don't think it's, I don't think it's, it's where, you know, we're not trying to find it a big way for LHC. It was tough to see Max. When the leaders were standing on 2T, it was tough to see Max and Hatten standing in the background, making the, the turn from, yeah, teeing off on Ted. He's like, ooh, I didn't realize it. I think Max will play well at Oak Hill,

and then LACC is going to be a dream prune. So last thing's last to keep Mitchell beat, McDermott today. Oh no, don't know. I can ask him. So I will add. Mr. today. Oh no. Don't know. I can ask him. I will. I will. Mr. T.C. Thank you. That was like tremendous. Oh, God. Thank you. Thank you very much. T.C. Have a wonderful Sunday night. We will we'll catch up. See you later. Cheers. God, I look as old as freaking Scotty

Sheffler after that segment. The little, the gay player there was to keep it concise. And we got some workshopping to do with that segment. That was great. There's a lot to talk about. There was a lot to talk about. Why don't we do our coldest moment of the week presented by our friends at Yeti. The Rambler 18 ounce bottle is your must have cold holding drinking vessel that should be immediately added to your bag.

This tough bottle is double wall vacuum insulated to keep your water ice cold until the last sip. Dishwasher's safe for easy cleaning and come standard with the chug cap lid, the shatter resistant drinking spout that allows for easy pulls on the go. Neil, I'm gonna give it to you first. Who is here?

What is your yeti coldest moment of the week? My coldest moment of the week is Phil fucking Michelson pouring in that putt on 18 wearing a black t-shirt dressed as a you know semi-pro football coach wearing like what is objectively like awful glasses especially in his gaunt state like he just looks like a cartoon character and after you know it's all day is like, God, look at all. We're talking about speed, speed, speed, making this charge. You pours in this birdie to beat speed and be the clubhouse leader. That was the coldest thing. I think I've, one of the

coolest things I've ever seen in Augusta National. That putt was unbelievable to finish birdie, birdie on Sunday at 52 years old. I can't overstate how impressive that round of golf was. And that of golf was and that putt was just that truly the cherry on top. I think this field performance like needs its own podcast. I'm not ready to talk about it tonight. I haven't fully digested it at all. I'm going to need so much respect for him just wearing a t-shirt. It was a great couple different things came to my great. Like dad out on a Saturday getting coffee and running errands outfit. It was a great like middle school traveling baseball coach, like traveling team baseball

coach outfit. It was just there's a lot of stuff. I thought, you know what? You know, I thought this was kind of one of his better looks compared to the other. Yeah. The look is great. I love them all black and the t-shirt and everything. It's just the the the gas station sunglasses is where I,

and it just wears them everywhere. It's like, I don't think the style looks that good for him, just for him specifically. I have no issue with the style of glasses, but with the, I mean, he's very, you know, gaunt and the glasses are almost taken up his whole face now. They looks like it's what ROM was wearing it, Wimbledon.

So it's a little fear and loathing like that guy, like a little bit. Yes, that's a good one. I'm going to give mine to a guy that I think just had a hell of a day, Jim Nance, who just absolute savage. If you didn't catch it in the morning telecast, this was, I don't know, probably, is when Ram and Capca got to 15 and Capca drove it. You know, it was very clear.

Nancy had been working on this one for a while. And he goes, Oh, there's Brooks. Oh, and he's, he's right there on the CW. The crosswalk. And it was, he said, and there he is on the CW crosswalk. So good. Just absolutely.

What, what are my favorite moments? And then so that was that was my coldest moment of the week. And then I thought the the Spanish word he pulled out at the end was also was also great. That was almost my warmest moment of the week where he's he's you know there's a there's a word in Spanish that means a man who has magnetism and I don't even remember what the word was but he's just pulling out his English-to-Spanish dictionary. I just thought he was gonna start hitting us with phrases like, you know, he drops a putt, porcelain, you know, or...

Gary Dickie, you know, for Bernie, he can go through everyone. See! He's just, he's the best. It's amazing how much more enjoyable the Nance experience is when CBS is showing golf shots and and you're complaining a lot less about going to commercial every 35 seconds. I should have been prepared for this. Neil, you stole mine as Phil being coldest moment of

the week. I was kind of going for the angle of literally being cold at the champions dinner and not talking to anyone is is quite literally one of the coldest fucking moves you can pull, but I'll throw in a bonus one of Trevor Emelman, our guy referring to Patrick Cantlay's tools, you know, master's broadcast for that joke, to have made it all the way into the mainstream after one of his interviews. That was that was called.

He certainly has all the tools to come. It's shout out to Emelman just in general, man. First first match. Great showing general, man. First match. Great showing. Really nice. Really good. I thought great work. You got, well, there's a lot some chatter in our privately

in our chats about this being a bad masters. And I wasn't feeling it even up to today. I know the weather was was shitty and all that. But this is a great golf tournament. I was pleasantly surprised with how Augusta played in general. I think I was kind of expressed a little bit of dismay at how Augusta has grown up and how it's evolved and kind of taken some thought out of it.

Didn't experience a lot of that. That was, I'm not gonna, it was bad take. I was too cool coming into this week on Augusta and I thought it played a lot of different ways. I think there's still some tweaks that I would like to see different, but it was really freaking good challenge, really fun elements, really good excitement, good balance tests of risk reward and good lines

of good shot bad shots being rewarded and punished. And it was a fantastic, fantastic golf tournament to try the bow on that. I would say it was it was saved by an awesome Sunday, right? Like the stops and starts on Friday and Saturday are just tough. And that's, that's, you know, the true rub of the green weather situation. So nobody's fault. The other thing I would have tied bow on is, I thought 13 played awesome. Like down the stretch today, we got a lot of guys going for it, trying to hit, you know, I have to go for it here. it trying to hit, you know, I have to go for it here. Rom's drive there was so, and it was rewarded.

And just I thought the whole played as we have wanted it to. And that was cool to see. Totally agree. As long as you can keep your, you know, keep your eye on the pot at the end of the week. And just every time you look to the leaderboard, you're like, okay, it sucks right now, it sucks if it's raining outside, but like, it's going to be freaking awesome. And I thought it was today was one of my favorite Sundays I thought in a while. I loved it. I will also say, if I can shoehorn in a lot of things we've talked about,

and I promise I'll make this part brief because it's not everyone's favorite topic. But like the weather change between Thursday to whatever we got like Friday, Saturday, that's what the rollback looks like. And all of a sudden we got into Brooks and Capca having four and five iron battles hitting up the hill on 18. And that was a lot more interesting than watching them hit nine iron's and wedges into greens. And Brooks got to hit nine iron into the green on Friday when he finished his round

to and more cow was hitting wood by a time he gets into it. And one of these, one of those is a lot more interesting and I would, I would agree with you. Like person like I coast on that, but as a, I bet every casual fan that tuned in for the masters like they do every year was like, oh my God, that's boring. They're just hitting into the middle of green and like to putting like we We think that's really interesting, but what is probably more interesting to a casual fan is Brooks flag and wedges

Right and ROM stuff in the pinata and so I think there is an argument there of like that is That is what I want to see and it's what you want to see But I wonder if it's what the casual golf fan that watched the Masters is looking for. I totally agree with you. I think if you port me into another dimension and, you know, the one where where Ram and Keppga are both hitting wedges in and they both hit it to three feet and make birdies, I'm probably a lot more excited in that in that dimension that I would in the one where they're, you know, missing the greens and getting up and down and doing all that.

But I think the beauty of this is the ability to flex T's in the future and hit the sweet spot of that where it's like, you can have it, both things are true, 13, that's what the world looks like with the World Backball too. 13 played awesome, it was so fun. But also like if you can move the T's up and you know manufacture the good wedge spots and the good long iron spots and all that just like hit the balance I think is is kind of where we're hopefully headed for. But that's

what I also like me know I agree with you Sally and like I think that's a much much better test. I think it is just kind of a hard sell to like, wasn't that sick, like how they both missed the green? That was awesome. Did you see that forearm you cut into that hole and hit it to 25 feet? But the point of that is there's still, there are those moments, right? You have 16, which is, you know,

this is gonna be the short to mid-iron test that everyone's got the chance to hit close. And same with 12, and you have the third hole, and you have these par fives, you know, like there is the problem is when the holes that are meant to be, you know, kind of these separator tests. And if everyone is hitting it close and like hitting like kind of the same shots, it gets pretty boring. Even the casual fans can can quickly adapt to like, you know, there's not much risk in this. This is not, you know, if everyone's stuff

in here, that's kind of boring or has the same kind of 160 yard shot. So I think watching them navigate all the pressure and the tense moments and like giving the top talent a chance to separate at the top creates more drama than just like a bunched, you know. And I'm kind of being, it's a reductive argument, I know. But I'm just saying like this was, this was a little preview of that, I think.

And I also think like at the end of the day, the better ball striker won, which on the macro level is proving your point too. Yeah. And it's like that. If you look at like Roms, where he gains his strokes with approaches, man, rollback is gonna be really, really, really good for John Robbe.

Like it's gonna identify things. What else you guys got? I would like to talk about Butler Cabin for just a second. It's something that I look forward to every year. I think it's because I'm a big fan of awkward humor. And I find it to be a very awkward thing, that awkward tradition in a way. Just the decor of Butler Cabin,

the random plants that they have kind of strewn about the older wood, the pictures on the wall that are framed perfectly when they zoom in on the champion and the low amateur. And just like it honestly, it's really a stage for Jim Nance to show what a pro he is because it's so awkward the way he's able to run point on that situation like I feel like I'm free soloing in that situation. Like oh my god, something awkward is going to happen. This is very, very weird the way the chairs are set up like I don't know why they do it that way and it makes me feel very awkward and I'm curious if you guys have a similar feeling to that whole Tradition the hundred percent it feels like watching a Nathan fielder Set up except your except you're dropping like nance into it 1000% sincere, but it's like it's kind of like move to the edge of the seat of like here we go

This is gonna be awkward. I'm gonna watch this like here. We totally yeah to the edge of the seat of like here we go. This is gonna be awkward. Like I'm gonna watch this. Like here we go. Totally. Yeah, I love it for the reason that it's like a weird tradition for some reason. And the way they ask like the amateur to like clear the stage,

like just, okay, get the, yo, you get the fuck out of here. Like a off camera now. Like every, all the decisions just baffle me. I'm like, what are we, what are we doing? They used to finish it though, like after they would do the montage, it would come back to like a zoomed in shot on the guy that one It's like smile and look at the camera and that's how the telecast would end and I was like waiting Like when they stop there. Yeah, I don't know when they stop that but they stopped

They're kind of putting the champion in an awkward position like they've got hat hair like you know Rom's got the frizzle going and he's like that there's usually they have like a weird hat tan But now they're sitting inside. And I think the lighting's a little off. It's very, very bright. So it's like, it almost looks like they're in a interrogation room of some kind, and, you know, it's nant. It's like a very, and God, I mean, you know,

Ridley's got the best freaking quaff in the world. So you got these sweaty guys sitting on this side and these dapper guys sitting on this side. It's just a, everything about it just kind of baffles me. You know, Neal, I didn't want to break it up, but you really, you really touched on it. Do we need to do something about Rob's hair? Or do we feel okay about it? I mean, it just, it feels so stuck between it.

And I hate it for my guy. I was a couple of guys with, you know, a curly hair. Speaking from experience, like, oh, God, I've seen this on camera. My brother, I'll show you some eighth grade photos. Like I have been there. I know what a curly hair. Speaking from experience, like, oh God, I've seen this on camera, like brother. I'll show you some eighth grade photos, like I have be in there. I know what that feels like. But he keeps it so tight on the sides

and then you can take his hat off and he's always like, you know, messing with it. You like right when he's doing the handshake on 18 and it's like, well, at least man, maybe just take it all down short or keep it all long and we can get the hair of get the the hair going back with the hat hair. I don't know. I think we're stuck in between. Dej, I'm with you. Sally, before we came on Neil and I were floating the idea of if Rob wins a grand slam,

I think we might have to both do the super long curls on top, super tight on the sides. I'll do it too. I got curly hair too. Yeah, I think that would be I think that'd be a touching touching trivia or maybe until he loses a major, he's got to keep it going. I need your take on Butler, Kevin. I hear DJs. What, what, how do you say that? I moved to the edge of my seat, like excited to watch the awkwardness of it. I mean, it's just, it's a weird flow with like kind of Ridley turning it over to,

or Nancy turning it over to Ridley to run the interview. But I, I am, I'm very sentimental about like the green jacket part. Like I freaking love the very binary question of like, do you have a green jacket or do you not? Right? So I love the ceremonial part of it, like the the crowning of it. I was soaking up the moment from ROM finishing out the way they've done it last few years of like following the winner through that walk through there as they walk with their family or whatever their reactions are to this life changing

moment that they've worked their whole life for. I'm in on all of that. Like I made sure that I was like, we're not going live right after the final putt today. I go, we got to get the whole master's experience because we got a way to hold another year before it comes back. And that's another good point is the walk from 18 green to the scoring. Like it's just an opportunity to be like, who the fuck's this guy?

Yeah. Why is he hugging that? Like you're just wondering, like all the people they're hugging, you're like, I don't know the way this guy, that look like he really likes that guy. You know, like, I don't know. That looks like a family friend that is just kind of maybe staying in the house.

The people who are as way more excited to see him than he is to see that. Yeah, like you're doing the equation. All that guy didn't know if he should dab or she should he hug like it. It's great, great theater for sure. Yeah. Yeah, the moment with Jose Maria was, was really good. I'm, I'm kind of disappointed.

All the PGA tour guys weren't waiting greenside to have a party on the 18th green, though. All right, I got some, some, some, in case people were not following the show throughout the course of the week, I some some book ending book ended thoughts on On something that almost happened this week that I think would have been a pretty freaking big disaster That I have kind of surprised that a lot of people aren't more worked up about. I'm hoping by the end of this You guys will join me and getting a little worked up about but For those that missed this on Thursday. There was very clear video that was surfaced of

Brooks Brooks's caddy Ricky Elliott saying to Gary Woodland, Gary Woodland's caddy Brennan little. After they'd hit their shot in a 15 green, they said clearly five out loud as in we just said five iron, Ricky said it basically twice and Brooks motioned with a big open fist five with his glove. That is a rules violation. I know it's kind of default answer for a lot of people is that it's happens all the time. You know, people looking people's bags, all this stuff blah, blah, blah.

I'm asking for the sake of this conversation that get thrown out, right? Because what happened was there's overwhelming evidence, video evidence, blatant evidence that they broke a rule, right? He said it out loud twice and Brooks opened up his hand. That happened and that is a rules violation. Now, what happened was the rules officials came to them and asked them about it.

And when they told their story, they lied, right? Like it's whatever they said is a lie because we saw clearly what happened. There's no spotter out there. They are clearly communicating this. And again, the only fallback is like, oh, yeah, this stuff happens everywhere. But it doesn't matter. Rules, official came and said, what happened here? This is where we get into the C word category,

because golf is not like other sports in football. Like if you get away with a passing experience, like it's not on you to make the call. Like in basketball, if it bounces off your leg, but you get the call, you don't go running up to inform the ref, like that you flip the other way. This is not a sport where there's a referee that can watch everything that's going on and rule on things like it is up to

you to be honest about things that have happened, right? So did I expect them to walk off the course and self-report this happening? No, but when caught on video doing it, when asked about it to tell a lie is a pretty big fucking deal, I think. And not I don't think a lot of people really caught on. They got asked back a second time, a second time when the video surfaced of Brooks making the open fisted five and Brooks saying like, oh, I don't know what I was supposed to do. Like, that's, am I supposed to take my glove off with a closed fist? And yet there's videos out there on Twitter today of Brooks taking off his glove in a very different fashion than when he was flashing the five. I don't care what people think of the rule. It was, it was broken. It was violated. And when asked about it and to tell their story,

these guys lied about it. And it could have resulted in Brooks Capka, that margin him winning a green jacket, like the one of those coveted things in golf. And I'm, I'm still quite surprised that people aren't more worked up about it. And I'm curious if me getting this worked up about it has either of you guys slightly more worked up about it. I I'm curious if me getting this worked up about it has either of you guys slightly more worked up about it. I mean, you're kind of on the same little Jackson from a time to kill side of the spec. Yes, that is. I hope they murdered hell. And I'm not quite there.

I saw a comment come through. It's kind of like when you get caught for speeding. And yeah, everybody does it. But like if you get got you get got. So I, yeah, everybody does it, but like if you get got, you get got. So yeah, I think it's bullshit and it sucks. Like if they lied about it, but I'm also like, you know, we're on to heritage, I guess. We are, but why are you sure?

Why would we, like about a green jacket, potentially being decided on it? Why is that a shoulder shrug? Like I, that's why I'm worked up. Because we have no control. Right? That's why I'm a shoulder shrug. I agree with you on a lot of this,

but it's like that the jackets are running their tournament, man. And if that's, and if that's how the rule works, like if they are gonna, you know, if they have their stories, you know, dialed, then that, yeah, that sucks. I mean, if that's the case, that sucks. I think for me, I'm very much, I'm, I mean if that's the case that sucks. I think for me I'm very much I'm

Do I think they lied? Yes. Do I think they broke a rule? Yes Am I worked up that they didn't get penalized not really and I think it's probably because We're not talking about Brooks like improving his lie and lying about it We're not talking about him signing for the wrong score and lying about it We're not talking about him him even getting advice and lying about it. We're not talking about him signing for the wrong score and lying about it. We're not talking about him, him even getting advice and lying about it. We're not talking about, we're talking about his caddy telling another caddy what club he hit, which doesn't, which doesn't impact Brooks's score, which impacts Gary Woodland's score, maybe a little bit, which I don't really care about either. And it's just, I think that's where I'm kind of like,

it's all I have respect you immensely for the energy to put into that, but I'm like, ah, it's a long week, man. I just, I don't have it for this. Yeah, I guess that's what I said, Dej. It's kind of the, it's situation of it. It's not, it's not, I don't know. You still got to hit the shot. I agree with you though.

It's like, yeah, that's, you know, it's not classy. Yeah, he did lie. And I think he did break the rule. And I think like, yes, I'm with you on all that stuff. But hey, man, if they chose not to do it, I don't know what to tell you. They chose not to do it. Well, that's where it chose not to do it

is they're hamstrung right by the intent-based nature of it. If they lie and say, no, we didn't do this, can they go, I don't know, can they go penalize them and say, like, yo, video says you did it, like, we're still penalizing you. That's where the integrity of golf comes in, right there, of like, yeah, are you really lying about flashing five and saying out loud five to the other caddy?

You can think whatever you think about the rule and you can think whatever about the scale of the penalty or whatever it is, but that's how it's written and everyone else is is playing by that in theory That's always gonna be a part of golf right that it does come down to like some people are willing to lie and some people aren't and Some people get away with shit like that and some people don't like we've seen it before We're gonna see it again. I think that's kind of what makes it somewhat cool about golf. It's a very unique part of the sport I agree, but I actually got to what's very not cool

about this happening, right? No, of course. I know, but I'm just kind of at the point where I'm at peace with it of like, yeah, I think I'm kind of glad it got the attention that it did, but there's not much else you can do about it. And 100% support your decision if this makes you look at Brooks differently and say, fuck this guy.

I'll never root for this guy again. Totally with you. I get it. It clouded my enjoyment of watching him play this week. Yeah. Live had nothing to do with any rooting instincts, but I did not want him to win by one or two. That was the only result I did not want to happen.

I think that's totally fair. So anyways, that's the last thing I'm worked up about. What anything else we have not discussed this week. I'm going to be watching you boys. Next time we go out filming tour sauce, there better not be any peeking going on and anybody else's bag or going to call this in. That's not that's not the illegal. Also, the club advice is a two stroke penalty. Yes, we know this personally. Gary also Gary turned around and say, what's the club? No, but he's part of the team. Caddy's an extension of the player.

He's an extension of the player. I'm just trying to play the side of it here. I also think you might find out what's your reaction. I mean, it's horse. There wasn't a router out there. They're clearly telling Woodlands, Caddy, what club it was. Obviously, you probably was not going to hit the same club, but whatever the more of Reggie have, the better off it is. Listen, as the people know, this is on my,

this is on my rap sheet. I was saying, I've been, I've been penalized for this shit. Okay. I guess, I don't know. It just, I, I, Ricky also did it today on 12th. Yes, dude, that's exactly what I was just about to say turner is around I was watching the whole time and the caddies, you know looking at the TV spotter flashing an eight flashing a three flashing a four It's like I'm not saying it's a technicality, but it's a technicality like it's fucking going on on every t-box

Man like I just don't care. I don't give a shit But flashing a spotter is way different than telling the other guy. Sure. It is. It really is. I get you're sorry you worked out about the lying. I get that. Yeah. That's fair. But maybe the rule maybe the rule needs to be adjusted somehow. I don't know. I don't know what the you know that that's for somebody else in the back room at the USGA to figure out.

We got to we got to litigate Ram's hair. We got to talk about the you got to talk about Butler cabin. We got a lot of other stuff Shit on me man, I can't monitor all this shit. Yeah, sorry. Sorry. I care about the final score of the of the sporting event We salute you for that. We salute you for that. We need you on that wall What would have it if this was read? What would your reaction have been if it was read? Oh, you know, I like to say the same Again, it's like do I feel like what I don't want to do is put this in the same category, even though black and white, when you write it out, it probably is the same category.

What I don't want to put this do is put this in the same category as like read in the Bahamas or read a Tory Pines or read any number of other situations because those all feel locker room at UGA. Fucking different to me where it's just like this is a player like impacting his own game with his own hands, with his own bending of the rules, all these things. Like him telling Gary Woodland what club he hit, like I don't fucking care.

I don't think that affected Brooks's week at the Masters or sacrifices the integrity of our great championship. Good. Great to disagree. I think it's worse because it's a major. That's fine. It's a way bigger. That's fine.

What else we got? Anything else we missed Cody? Tiger Woods, WD obviously. Oh yeah. That was, we said that last night. I mean, the limp, Oh, Jason Day said at the PGA last year, again, this could be a Bill McAtey really situation,

but that when Tiger withdrew of a PGA last year is because of screw and his foot had broken through his skin. Jesus. I, again, don't, don't, my reaction to that is really. I don't know if that had not heard that. I, the only surprise I had was that I didn't realize Tiger was struggling with plantar fasciitis. I thought it was the like steel and titanium and you know the fake leg that he has. I guess that that was kind of news to me that that's why he was

limping. Per Tiger. The again, for Tiger's report, he is withdrawn due to planar fasciitis. Yeah. And not the steel. I've said this a couple of times, and maybe it's just the people who I surround myself with, and I support like on the golf scene. But if say Tiger did choose, and I know people are like,

oh my God, how can you say this? But if Tiger chose to amputate his leg, he would be a much further off individual, quality of life-wise than he is right now. And I know that that is hard to comprehend, but I play golf with adaptive golfers all the time. Like they have outside of of sore spots and burns and everything else like that, it is not nearly the amount of pain and effort that Tiger goes through on a daily basis. Do you think that do you think he can still play high level golf?

100% you've seen these guests. It's Tiger. No, I know, but like he's not swinging with his legs now anyway. Well, yeah, I guess you're right. I'm just wondering how long he would he'd have to probably change the way he swings it though. Of course, I guess he already has. You've had anyone done a million times. Yeah.

What if he could have done? That's an interesting thing. Could I ever thought about it that way? I should have talked to Cantlay about back in that a million times. Yeah. What if you could have done? That's an interesting thing. Could I have never thought about it that way? I should have talked to Cantley about back in that screw out too. Yeah. Probably got a drill driver. He could have lent him. I think it's stripped in there now.

Yeah. It's not really stripped. Now he's now a fox. I've wondered the same thing. Cody, I don't know shit about that nearly as much as you probably would. But I've wondered what the thing Cody. I don't know shit about that nearly as much as you probably would, but I've, I've wondered what the, what that bottom half of that leg serve purpose is serving at this point. One other not to move on.

You guys got anything else on Tiger? I mean, I hope it's not too bad. I don't know what his decision is going to be for OK. I'm sure that he's the next one that he's circling is LACC. Yeah, I don't think he should play the PGA. I'm down with him showing up playing like see what's there, right? And maybe you get good weather. He's had really shitty luck with weather in the majors

that he has played. All the events he's played basically, but go see what you got. And if you make the cut even right on the number and you want him to withdraw for the weekend, I'm still totally fine with that. So you are one of one category in all of this. I don't care who spot you're taking in the PGA. If you withdraw after three shots, I really don't care. You provide something totally different to the game that no one else can.

And go see what you got. And if it's there, you can, you know, finish whatever and get some kind of gratification out of it. It's not there with draw and without any shame. Here I feel I totally agree. The only thing, one more thing I was burning on, I tweeted it earlier, I felt like I was robbed a little bit of just an outfit commentary. I was really brand-duced. I feel bad for all the brands out there,

all the scripting got nuked. I'm actually shocked at a lot of these guys. The first thing I would have done after I signed my card It was go to the locker room take a shower and change my my clothes and just get a fresh set of clothes on new socks New shirt like I can't believe a lot of those guys played in the same clothes It just seems like at that level you'd want to get super fresh. I think that to get back out really quick Say to max out. I know, but I, I would let that cut into my routine. My, my warm up, I mean, they had time to warm up.

Like I just kind of baffled me that they didn't, and, and, and that's more selfish so I can make fun of their outfits. But at the same time, I'd want to be free. It was cold and shitty in the morning. It just feels like you'd want to go take a hot shower and, and regroup. I don't think we really talked about after day one, the like exploding watermelon shirt that hovelin was wearing. He shook off the catcher in day two, went away from his scripting and was like, no, I'm

just wearing something very plain. The quarters that he put on today was among the worst we've seen. The block pattern. It didn't get better. No, he's still through the wrong pitch, but he did shake off the catcher. Long foul ball. Maybe subconsciously affects how I feel about him not being a threat in majors.

Like I was like, all right, you're not winning the Masters wearing that pull over. I just can't. It's not allowed. Jack, it's won't allow it. A couple of good comments by Sam Bennett about how good NIL money actually is for him, but unfortunately couldn't get any outerwear

that had his NIL logos on. It was tough, tough, tough to see for him. And then Thomas Peters, I guess, like snapped his driver sometime in the front nine today was just spraying it all over the place, played the entire back nine with three wood only, hit every fairway. He threw it away. He put it in the trash can, I believe, right, on the, when he turned on to number one. I assume he's done on the back when he turned on at number one.

So sick. Dej, what do we got coming up this week? Video wise. We got, if you're looking to watch some more high level golf, got a film room from the gasp gorilla, we're going to follow Sali throughout his second round at the gasp gorilla. So look for that on our YouTube channel.

Sometimes with Justin with Justin Huber on the back. With Justin Huber on the back. Yes. Live show after the RBC Heritage designated event coming up this week. I'm going to take some time to decompress this week. I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to get away from the action from a little bit for a little bit this week.

And then what we got going on the pro shop, Neil. I would just say, you know, if it take a spin through there, it golf seasons upon us time to get your scripting dialed as we've been discussing other scripting. We got a lot of good stuff in the pro shop. We appreciate the support. It's been a long week so go, you know, go buy a fucking t-shirt. Huh? Why don't you go buy a hat? Huh? Throw us a bone. Maybe become a nest member. I don't know. Where could they do that? They can do that at store.nolangup.com and nest members get 15% off. You can join the nest at nolayingup.com forward slash join.

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