No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 669: 1995 Major Championships

Episode Date: April 12, 2023

We're back with another major championship recap, and this time, it's 1995. Soly and KVV take you through Ben Crenshaw's triumph at Augusta, Corey Pavin at Shinnecock Hills, John Daly at the Old Course, and Steve Elkington at Riviera. We recount some of the more important and entertaining moments in each championship, discuss what golf looked like in 1995, who had close calls, and a ton more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah! That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Lang, a podcast, Sully here. We have another deep dive major championship podcast on tap for you today. We recorded this about two months ago, probably KVV and I. We kind of wanted to holster it for when we kind of had a gap in the schedule.

We had an emergency pod squeezed in there. We've had a busy run up to the masters. So I don't know if there's anything in particular that's dated about this, but we might be referring to upcoming masters or majors, but it was recorded. I believe at the end of sometime in February, probably at some time. I know it was before the model local rule was proposed by the USGA in RNA, because we do talk a little bit about what golf was like in 1995. And that's what this year is. The 1995 major championships. We go deep into the masters, US open, British open,

and the PGA, and have some fun along the way. These are blast to do. Thank you for everyone that has encouraged us to do them, because I think it, yeah, it just adds a whole nother layer context to watching major championship golf every year. This episode's brought to you by our friends at Precision Pro, whether you're a scratch player or if you're new to the game, there's an easy way to lower your scores and it's adding a rangefinder to your pre-shot routine. It will change your game forever. I always try to gun the front of the green and the pin to give an idea of what kind of

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1995 major championships? Solid, I am excited. I was just thinking today, where were you in 1995? I would like to know that for a shout out. I was a senior in high school. It was the first semester of my senior. I guess I would have been to junior when the majors were going on, but 95 would have been my senior football year. Like glory days in my eyes, like just, you know, ready to take on the world, thought that I could, you know, do anything, no disappointments in front of me just yet. What was going on in your life? I would have been in third grade going into fourth grade by the end of this major championship season. I think I did not expect that. I did not expect that. I did not expect that. Nine in 1995. So yeah, that's kind of, I never think of you as that much older than me, but I guess that's the case. But this is, I don't really need the do I.

I don't have like a specific time that I remember getting into golf like a moment. And actually, is my math horrible there? I would not have been in third grade if I was nine years old, right? I've been in fourth grade, I guess going to fifth, whatever. So I don't remember 95 majors. I think I remember 96 masters as like a, I remember watching that on that Sunday. I really truly do remember that.

And I don't know if that's like my first major championship watching memory, but, so I don't think I remember, but there's so much about what happens in this year, at least the two that I'm gonna be covering through this year that I remind me of my first impressions of golf, like enormous spike marks on the green. And just, you know, the shapes of the golf court, the way golf was played coming down the stretch,

the mass amounts of bokees made coming down the stretch was just like, oh yeah, golf looks really freaking hard on TV. And that's a lot about whatever, remember, golf was a kid. So I'm excited there's a lot to cover here. And yeah, there's a lot of learned along the way. Like pretty much all these podcasts we've done. A lot of dad khakis. That's what my rewatch, a lot of dockers was, you know,

I don't know that it would become clear just how uncool pleats were for many years. But everyone had pleats. Everyone had pants that were at least a size or two too big for them, just flapping around. It was a remarkable time for really dorky fashion. And then maybe where Dude Perfect is building Dude Perfect World too in Fresco. Pretty much. It's a thing. It's a thing. All right. Do you want me to get started kind of set in the scene for 1995? You're going to take the Masters.

I have the US Open. You have the Open Championship and I have the PGA Championship. So I'm going to just go ahead. Start in 1995. Do you know who the number one player in the world is? I know who is vying for two or three straight majors as we go into the Masters, but I don't know that I know who the number one player in the world is. I'm going to track with him. You're on the right track with him.

You're on the right track. All right. Is it Nick Price? It is. He is the defending champion. He won the 1994 British Open. He won the 1994 PGA championship. He's the number one player in the world to no surprise.

Greg Norman is two. Nick Fowdo is three. Bernhard Longer is four. Jose Maria, all the Thobble is five. I don't, I mean, I, I, again, I don't know your majors yet. I don't hear much from Longer and all the Fable in my majors, at least. Ernie L's is six. Fred couple seven. Colin Montgomery is eighth. Jumbo Ozzaki, the OG manipulator is ninth in the world. And tenth in the world is Corey Paving. I went through that kind of quickly, but does anything stick out to you about that list, KVV?

I'm gonna say that it's no Americans in that list. Is that accurate? You were close, Fred Couples and Cory Paving, R&D to the American persuasion and... Sorry, guys, I was just falling asleep as well. You were not listening to me at all, so I went through that. You know why? I was literally in my head thinking, I would buy an OG jumbo Ozaki like shirt like a picture of jumbo on it or a sweater.

I would rock that. So I was hoping to try to you know maybe slip that in as like a merch request while you're zipping past Pave and then couples his names. Two Americans in the top 10 in the world. If you guessed right now how many are there right now? As we sit here recording this in February, 28th, 2023. I would say there's six maybe there are seven Americans in the top 10. So very different era. Also, maybe why the US lost a lot of rider cups in this time period is they did not have a lot of the best players in the world at this time. But we all know the OWGR is a scam and probably is irrelevant. Now I don't I did not have a lot of the best players in the world at this time. But we all know the OWGRs are scam and probably is irrelevant. Now I don't I did not have the SI rankings for up for this one.

But well, I know that the matches only played at 69 Inter yards. So the 69, 25 or something this year. So it would have been tough to climb the rankings with great distance, distance per shot. That's actually pretty long in that area. I would have to say. So winners on the PGA tour to this point, Steve Alcuteon wins the Mercedes championship. John Morse wins the Hawaiian Open. That's first I've ever heard of that name. Phil Michelson wins the Northern Telecom open VJ wins

in Phoenix. Peter Jacobson goes back to back at the AT&T Pebble and the Buick invitation all Kenny Perry wins Bob Hope Corey Pavement wins the Nissan Open is Corey Pavement's 12 pga tour title. Keep in mind we will be revisiting that Derral is won by Nick Fowdo. Omiro wins the Honda classic Lauren Roberts wins the Nestle invitation lead Janssen players and Davis love the freemort mcmorean classic guys That's a hitters only row of winners other than John Morse like that is that is there's some names That are piling up the wins to start 1995. I don't know if those are designated events or how that worked exactly, but There was so that's that's that's pretty much the error right there on the PGA tour I'm not sure who's being who's left off of like the

Norris of that no I'm in that winning one there is is tough, I mean, a lot of the, again, a lot of the OWGR, top 10 at that point is European guys that were not playing the PGA tour full time. I, to my knowledge, I mean, longer and all of a sudden, we're not playing the PGA tour at that time, Monty as well. So, but yeah, as far as American guys go, that was, and VJ and Elk, of course,

that's a hell of a run there. So, I hear you used to be able to do that and make a living on the European tour. Like, of course, that's a hell of a run there. So I hear you used to be able to do that, and make a living on the European tour. Like, you know, that was a thing. What, as a total aside, if Tiger was European, would professional, would like the center of the professional golf university in Europe?

It's a great question. I mean, probably it would still look a little different because a lot of the money still came from US corporations. I don't know what European corporations were going to be throwing tons of money behind golf. But I don't know. I mean, eventually, some of those guys came over, but I guess Tiger was still the driving force behind the majority of that. So it's a God. It's a great what if that I've never considered.

I'm looking up and comparing purses in 1995 on the PGA tour. You know, the players championship was 3 million, that's kind of an outlier. But, you know, the Pebble Beach Pro, I'm 1.4, Buick's 1.2, and if you look at the European run through that time of the year, Dubai is 700, Johnny Walker, 600, and then it kind of goes down to 250,000 pounds, 300,000 pounds. I don't know the pound of US dollar exchange rate at that point, but it does look up here to be less.

It wasn't quite equal at that point. I know that may be a topic for the future to see, like when the separation between the US tours and European tours really, really started. So getting in some deep economics here. Yeah. Well, I'm having a guy. This is not on the agenda.

None of this was on the agenda. What is on the agenda is the 1995 Masters and you are going to take us there. As I said before, I know we like set the stage for things. Nick Price going for his third straight major also holds the course record at Augusta or at least is tied for the course record. It's been quite some time since in 1986 when he shot that 63, but a lot of people are talking like, wow, Nick Price, be on his way to a slam of some types.

So as we open into the opening of the masters, Walter Cronkite is on the opening, you know, the masters of 1995. Yes, the CBS bringing out Walter Cronkite to talk a little about the magic of the masters and they put the Jurassic Park music behind Walter Cronkite, which I was just stunned about. I mean, I guess Jurassic Park came out in 93. So it was like a really big time for that sort of operatic. Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da the first masters that CBS had to do without Gary McCord, because the previous year on a difficult putt by Jose Maria, he said that it was made all that harder because the Greens had been cut.

They had been bikini waxed. Someone wrote a scathing letter to Augusta National and said that this type of offensiveness could not stand. Do you know who that person might have been, Sally? Tom Watson. That was Tom Watson. I know. I just learned this, actually. Did you learn it because you saw that podcast? They have a podcast out now. The teaser there was that was the first that heard of who actually is. I was wondering if that is that like a long hidden secret or is this because Tom Watson really definitely had a reputation for being like a schoolmormy sort of moralist at this time. You know, he was sort of a wild child way back in the 70s and then sort of came around to be like a shame on you play the game the right way type person. I don't think that's the first,

I just Googled Tom Watson Gary McCordon. There's a 2019 article that comes up and then yeah, there's something from 1994 in the Washington Post that mentioned that as well. So McCord's big reveal to promote his podcast was old news. In a conference call before the masters Frank Chicanian, the famous longtime CBS producer, he was asked by reporters why he didn't back McCord on principle when the masters said that he had to go. And he said, how would you like to go back to management Shareholders stockholders and affiliates and say oh we for the sake of principle we lost the master's but kept Gary McCord Such a media question. I'm sorry. I know you're a big J. J. J.

But that is such like a hey no matter what you decide're going to question the hell out of what you've decided. Like, this is clearly the right call here. But how do you explain how you didn't stick up for Gary McCord? That's a great answer. Phil is actually your first round leader, 24 year old Phil Nicholson opens up with a sizzling 66. He shares that honor with David Frost and defending champion Jose Maria. Do you know Sally who might have shot a 67 round and a very famous person? In 1995, I am also going to guess Tom Watson. You are close, but it is Jack Nicholas. Jack Nicholas in 1995 was still opening one shot out of the lead of the masters, which is sort of stunning. You would have been 55 years old at this point, correct.

So if you're holding out hope, obviously, like Tom Watson at Turnberry, sort of the ultimate sort of golden thing, hold to hold up and say, hey, these guys can still do it when they get really old. Jack in this, and then also in the 1998 finishes, you know, sixth, the year after Tiger wins. He beats Tiger in the following masters, which is still the most ridiculous thing. What about favorite stats, facts, ever, 58 year old Jack, the year after Tiger wins by 12, 58 year old Jack beat at the next year. It's so sick. So the big story kind of coming into this masters is that Harvey Pennick, the very famous golf coach who coach Ben Crenshaw and Tom

Kite and had sort of given Dave's love of some instruction throughout his life, had died to week before the masters and 90 years old. And he was sort of the person who put a club in Ben Crenshaw's hands when he was six years old. So Crenshaw and Kai actually fly home to Austin, the Sunday before the Masters to serve as Paul Bears in Penix Funeral. And a week before that, Penix could actually give in Crenshaw a putting lesson, even though he was too ill to get out of bed.

He said to Ben, grab your putter, take a few strokes here on the carpet, and trust yourself, and don't let the club head pass your hands. And so that was the sort of swing thought that Ben Crenshaw, one of the great putters of all time, took into this masters. Nick Price eventually misses the cut and begins to show his frustration with the masters. Number one play in the world had m-seed at the masters three out of last eight times there.

I'd never really contended. Someone asked him about his 63 and, you know, he said, that seems like 400 years ago, Mike. This is the master's debut of the cat. This is the first master's where he ever competed. And the reporters were estimating that throughout the tournament, he was 30 yards longer than Greg Norman and Fred couples, that he was just absolutely smashing it. Someone asked John Daly, do you think he's as long as you? And he said, yeah, I think we're tied. And then they showed him the stats. And it was Tiger was like 15 yards longer than Daly

throughout the tournament. He led the tournament in driving distance, which I did not realize. There was this snippet period of time for like this up through 97 maybe, where with these titanium drivers that were not the enormous heads yet, but with the spinny golf ball That I would love for somebody to explain like literally actually explain the science behind how he was hitting it as far I'm thinking more of 97 but he never had

Distance domination over the rest of the field passed that really to that to that extent he had always hit it long but like in 2000 he wasn't like the longest hitter out there that wasn't what made him incredible but like at 97 masters hitting wedges and shit into par-fives and hitting it so freaking far I I'd love for somebody you know explain how that happened and why he was able to do that with that equipment and I don't know maybe it is as simple as like dude the equipment just got kind of brought everyone closer together and however it goes to that look now. But yeah, this time period of like no one was swinging that hard at these

ballata balls other than daily 311 yards per drive. He averaged that master's switch, you know, in that era, it's just kind of bummer. I mean, there was still a couple guys playing wooden drivers, I think, like, maybe like just a few, but they were, and they're all playing like the steel shafts and stuff. So woods is kind of like a celebrity rock star throughout this, the huge people. I did not realize this, but he, when he competed in this masters, he was only the fourth black person to compete in the masters in 1995. Only the fourth, which is just fucking insane. So yeah, great job golf. He really did a great job. They asked him some of his

thoughts and he was kind of very sort of like, you know, doing his Michael Jackson. You know, it's fine. He has some magnolia lane. He said, I guess I thought, you know, it's fine. It's everything's good. He asked him out, like, no, you lane. He said, I guess I thought, you know, it's I thought it would be longer. Uh, I sick. Come on. Dude, that is an incredible 90s tiger. That is like a specific to that era voice tiger that you just did.

It check and eventually becomes like a whole. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It gets more earthly, but like early, this is my favorite tiger in that era. It's where it's like there's a little bit of a very soft kind of voice to it. You know, my dad says that I need to do it's just my favorite tiger. Absolutely the best. Like, weird shit kind of was, I mean, tiger might be the original Icarito because all throughout the tournament, he was like hitting

like the ball 15 yards long of grains. I mean, he was hitting, he had nine iron, basically into every par five. Like, he had nine iron, basically into every par five. Like he had nine iron into 15 all four days and like hit it over all four times. Like he had seven iron into 13 a bunch of times. So if we're looking for like the original like a redo, that might be the actual sort of genesis of it. So you can rewatch, I mean, if you watched the, how did Tiger finish? Like you watched the final round of that 95 broadcast on YouTube, right? You can watch Tiger play

a fair amount of it. You only get like little snippets of it. I mean, they just, I've got some of this from the Rick Riley article that talks about how long he was, you know, Rick Riley remains an incredible resource for. I was gonna say, I wonder if as he's writing these movie like, hmm, man, in like 27 years these podcast are going to love this stuff. I don't know why he's not all of a sudden, but yeah, that's what's going on to buy head. So this is why we had to bring back writing and NLU so that like future podcasters will have stuff to search out. So it's not just a podcast, so they have to skip through.

Hey, I'll be doing it at that point. So it's fun. Tucker's parents actually got their window smashed in and stuff's taken from their car in Augusta that year, like staying at their hotel. It was like, people were sort of wondering why Taker was kind of a little bit kind of reserved and not super like, super excited and rally sort of speculated. Like, why would you super celebrate a place

where that had sort of kept the Charlie Sifards out and, you know, the people that had been really important to your father and why would you, you know, not be like so excited about the crows nest when like people who didn't look like you get to stay there forever. Tucker did get to, he finished low-am that ear and was in bother cabin afterwards. And so Nance, Axim asked him, you know, what do you think you're going to turn pro? And he was like, oh, no,'m gonna go all four years. And he was like, this is a tough world out there. I feel like it's right for me to live it up a bit. I'm only 19 and you're only young once. And he says that he has to get, they had to

pre-record the Butler Cav and interview because he had to get back for a 9 a.m. Stanford history class that his parents insisted he quit. So he basically like, you know, by far the best am with the masters had to hop on a plane and immediately head home into a get back. So that's the Tiger Update, which I thought was sort of one of the most interesting things. We'll revisit him a little bit just at the British Open. So at the start of Sunday, there are actually like 23 players within seven shots. It's a super jumbled masters. It's really like no one kind of knows exactly at this moment, like, who's going to be the dude, Ben Crenshaw is leading, but Brian Henninger, I don't know if you've heard that name.

Of course. Yeah. Henning. Oh, Henning. Okay. It's getting involved. He's tied with Ben Crenshaw headed into Sunday. Fred Couples and Steve Elkington,

I've never heard that day, but that was 100% a joke, by the way. Well, Brian quickly gets dropped from coverage. So they didn't quite drop guys quite as much then, but Brian does not feature in a lot of the important narrative as it goes. Fred Couples, Steve Elkington, J.H.S. Scott Hoke and Phil Michelson, only a shot back to

start the day. And some other guys who are going to factor in who are not really within the first sort of thing, including Dave Slough and Greg Norman. So it opens here in some of the coverage, this is still when they're only covering essentially nine holes of the tournament, which Chicanian mentioned is infuriated him, that he wished the masters would like get with the program and let them broadcast more than that, but really not. I feel like Frank and I got along really well. Definitely.

Frank would have been a big hamster, damn listener, I think. On the eight pole of Sunday, Fred couples comes as close to making an albatross as you could possibly come without doing it. He hits like this sweeping two iron from like 265 away and it skirts along the sort of edge of the apron there and rolls towards the hole. And it basically misses by an inch, half an inch. And Venturi, like, chuckles, like, you know, this kind of thing happens all the time. Like, oh, I've seen him go in before.

Like, this would only have been like the fourth at the time, Albatross ever made at the Masters and Venturian dancer kind of like, yeah, our dancers and in the booth at that point, but Venturian is kind of like, you know, what a, you know, what a, what a fine afternoon. This is I'm like, wow, like we're things just like that way understated back then. Like it just was kind of remarkable that there was just no no excitement. Venturi has this, this happened when,

Wimbrue, when Ian Wuzdom made his putt to win the Masters in 1991. He's celebrating and Wuzdoms are, you know, he's still going nuts with this caddy at Venturi. He's like, hold on, Fred Couples has a putt for second here coming up here. So, no matter how great the moment is, there's always a hold on. There for second here coming up here. No matter how great the moment is, there's always a hold on. There's something about to happen here.

That comes up with a PGA. We'll get there as well. I wish you could see Phil's outfit for this fall around. I wish actually Phil, current Phil could see Phil's outfit. Like just the most ill-fitting khakis, the most insuring salesman thing ever. Like big white shoes, no hat, just an innocent boy, you know,

poised to destroy the golfing world one day down the road. It just struck me as funny. And bones, this is one of our first kind of like, you know, things we can really see bones. Beautiful, curly, kind of brownish gray hair. Never had seen, yeah, a lot of hair. Never, personally, I had not seen bones with that look before.

And then really didn't keep it for much afterwards, but love seeing the big locks sort of poking out of bones is hat there. Davis Love is really the dude here who other than Crenshaw is the story. I mean, he shoots a 66 on Sunday that could have been like a lot lower. He was driving the shit out of the golf ball.

Just, you know, he and Norman were paired together. They were bombing it all day, but everywhere, like, love just kept hitting it, like into places. I mean, he had a seven iron into 13 green and made a five. He had a nine iron into 15 and, you know, didn't make an eagle. So even though he had it to like 10 feet, I mean, it's just like some of the places where you talk about tiger, obviously tiger was long, but David's log was like really longer to than a lot of,

not longer than tiger, but a longer than like way more of the people in the field that year. He ends up finishing 13 under par. It's, it's 275 is the lowest score to not win the Masters. A tough pill to swallow, but he hit. Coming down the stretch, he hit, I think, one of the sickest shots that I think I've ever seen in the 17 where he basically the pin was way right in that little kind of bowl there,

and he maybe hit it to like a foot and a half, like just absolutely stoned it, which is really, really hard to do on 17, as you know. But as you know, on 16, as Bones Always says, weird shit happens. And that whole was playing back then, like, you know, 179 or something. And Love Hit, what was like a six iron that maybe flew like 200 yards and stayed up on top of the shelf there, couldn't get it down, made a bowie. Crunchyot kinda makes it like, as I'll sort of detail in the sec,

like kinda makes it relevant, but love was essentially leading the tournament all throughout the day, and really we had the only the true shot to sort of, to beat Crunchyot until Crunchyot like kinda went ham on the last few holes. On 18, love it, honest to God, like the further shot left that I think I've ever seen anyone hit. I mean, this is like Bernie Sanders AOC left like this far left.

Did you like literally down in the ninth fairway? It was with the ball. And he had like 120 yards in from the like an angle that's like straight up the hill. It was crazy. And he somehow made a par. He did hit it short of the green and then putted from there, made it, you know, and so at that point, you're thinking like, maybe, maybe this is going to hold up. Maybe like, level have sort of done this. Like did that play was did it look intentional? Because Tyker did that in 97 on that Sunday. That was a play of like, and Wuznum kind of talked about that too in 91 about just aiming over that bunker and hit as hard as you can. And like, that's the widest spot you could find.

It looked like he was trying to hit it over the bunkers, but it did not, it looked like he also, like leaned hard on it left and it just, it hit the hill and went so far down. I mean, like, I, you can hear Vancheri say, like, I've never seen a drive, hit down there for, you know, ever. And so it was like, I was literally stunned when I

was watching it. I don't know how many people kind of remember the 95 masters as one that Greg Norman sort of potentially like booted away. Like, it's not on the highlight list of like ones that you think of Greg Norman having pissed away, but it's definitely one that he could have won. I mean, he had, you know, it's everywhere in this era, dude. It's just like every, every major that dude was around in. It's unreal. I mean, he just, you could see why? Because he just drove the shit out of it. He's in the fairway every time. He's ballstrecking the shit of it. He just, honestly, if I had to sort of say what the difference was between a Greg Norman and like a follow, it's that Norman just didn't make a shit ton of like clutch putts that he really needed to.

Like that's what kind of repeatedly leaves, lets him down. I mean, he has really makeable eagle putts on 13 and 15, including a fegal putt on 15 that's maybe eight feet away, doesn't even like come close to scaring the whole. So, you know, he kind of just sort of gets, he's still in it, Norman is and has San wedge in his hand on 17 and yanks it so far left on the 17th grain, which you cannot miss like when the pen is right. So he's got to like putt over that elephant back and it's just impossible. Like he's got no chance. Ultimately though, like it ends up being

Krenchal's tournament, like he says all throughout, like fate has sort of helped bring me here to this. Like I could feel Harvey, like every time some crazy shit would happen, like on, you know, on 16 or so beyond, on 15, he hits it in the trees, it hits kicks a tree out and goes in the fairway and his wife sort of is walking along and says to Riley at some point, like, that was Harvey. Like Harvey's like with us on that one.

And like everything, you know, could have happened that was crazy. Like that was Harvey. He crunched out like he hits it into the bunker on 12. And then it's an amazing bunker shot out to to make a par there. He hits a terrible four iron into the 13th green that gets stuck up in the swell. It's a kind of a mediocre chip and then makes like one of the prettiest pots that you've ever seen.

CBS like has the camera down like on-ground well over birdie. And then he just keeps, got down the stretch. He birdies 16 and 17 and makes it kind of a moot point. Like he wins by two collapses on the green, you know, with his hands in his face, just completely over the moon, like emotional sobbing on the green, sort of saying, you know, I could feel like Harvey with me.

I believe in fate. I don't know how this happened. I don't really kind of like one of the masters that a lot of people remember just for that huge outpouring of emotions, it's Crunch on Second Masters. You know, he never really contends seriously in a major again on the Sunday. And so, but this moment was just kind of a huge,

I remember it was the Coversport Illustrated, him sobbing and stuff. And I didn't even know who Harvey Penick was at the time, but since like read that little book and seen how sort how influential it is and golf, and you just said all week, you just try to keep that sort of putting tip that Penick had given him in mind,

just trust your line and don't let your hands don't let the head get past your hands. And dude, one of the most gorgeous putters has ever lived, like just took that to the bank. It's an iconic image from from my childhood at least or master's image of that you know his head and his hands and Carl Jackson there is caddy like kind of put his hand on him on his back and I just looked this up he was miscut T-42 miscut miscut coming into this masters and there's something about a familiar face kind of

There's something about a familiar face kind of tying this story together, right? If it's 25-year-old Ben Crenshaw whose coach just died, it doesn't really resonate as much as he was, was he like, if I remember right, like 42 or something at this master's something like that? And you just have, there's so much context for the announcers that know him very well, and the viewers that likely know him well, like that moment, just always, you know, it's iconic moment for a reason, right? Just building up of all that story and it coming together in that moment. You know, this is in the era when you're allowed

to bring your own caddy, but Crenshaw had still elected to use Carl Jackson, who's one of the more famous Augusta Caddy's ever, and it's so fun to see shots of Carl Jackson, like, big cigarette in his mouth. The Catty's back then, the US Catty's were just very much like normal people. And it was so, they weren't sort of like semi-celebrities. Like some of the Catty's are now traveled with the guys all the time on tour. And so it's just awesome to see, like, and Krenshaw over and over just said, like, Carl was the guy who kept me calm who

Helped me, you know, I think Carl Jackson ended up cadding in like 50 masters I think you only missed one master's and the whole sort of time that he was you know working caddy at a guest That was just pretty awesome. Oh anything else from from 95 masters. I think that pretty much covers it I mean, you know, I didn't do enough research on Brian Henninger. So I can't really tell you like just did a quick click. It's like you want an event in the summer of 94 that got him into the masters in a play. He got one that in a playoff and did not do a whole lot with his career. So it was very much things are probably moving very quickly. We got into the final pairing at the Sunday at the Masters thing with Ben Khrinsha.

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that they have. Not only have the film on the USDA website, but they also have the final hour and 40 minutes from the telecast. You can watch that live. I did both of those things in preparation for this. Listen, beginning of that video says that the greens are stamping between 10 and 1-1-1-1-1-1

I'm here to say they were not. Okay, take away from this area. I don't know what it was like for you to rewatch the 95 masters, greens were not fast back then. And for the very first time at this US open, nine of the greens are surrounded by what they call closely-mone areas meant to bring out

a variety of chips and pitches. Again, not quite the same speed we see out of closely-mone areas these days. And gotta say, Chinatown, not quite the same speed we see out of closely moan areas these days. And gotta say, Shinnecock not looking its best. The course is surrounded by trees at this point. It looks entirely different from what we saw in 2018. It's got really circular greens, fringes that just kind of catch all the balls that go long. It looks bay hillish around the greens. Really, it just looks desperate for a restoration, which we got from Corn Crunchaw in the later years here. But just not the, not the pristine like extreme test that I remember. I guess,

not only say extreme test, because this was a very, very, very testing US open, but just kind of a textbook overgrown and 90s era development of an extremely awesome golf course that has, has re-founded soul in recent years, like a lot of them. But when we say restoration, this is a lot of golf courses look like this in this era. And then it sticks out to this day, what golf courses have not come out of this era, but man, it's different. I meant to say in mind thing, like if Ben Crenshaw doesn't win a second master's, like he probably still designs like a lot of great courses Whatever, but it's like another bit of added cash a of like, okay, this guy's about to change the way of modern architecture And it's just that much more credibility that he had and probably getting jobs. And so, you know, it's an important win just for that sort of alone because like,

I think you and I would sort of both agree that like, I would probably play a core crunch our course if I couldn't play a McKenzie course, like the first choice that I would sort of choose. Like, it's just always like enjoyable fun golf. It is interesting. Greg Norman's going gonna play a role here in the coming coming next few minutes Their impacts on the game of golf going to pull in polar different ways of bed cred shot Like the way you just said it and Greg Norman's being I'd say slightly different than Then then highly engaging to almost you know any golfer on the planet that plays the game or travels to play the game. So I'm going to be able to gap there.

A little, little breadcrums being laid for the future of golf here. You kind of spoiled one of the newcomers in the field already because it's not going to be as exciting when I say it. But a 19 year old by the name of Tiger Woods is playing in his first US open. He would ultimately withdraw in the second round with a wrist injury due to the heavy stuff, which he hits a ball out of in the second round And hurts his left wrist. I remember when that happened There was some talk that oh he might never win a US Open because he just is too wild off the tee and like I I know I'm sure I could find some sort of peace written about that. I feel like it was

I'm sure I could find some sort of piece written about that. I feel like it was maybe even in SI where you know, certainly I was a religious reader at the time of like, well, there's whispers that he and me never conquer the US Open that he'll be more of a master's. We'll see if that works out for him. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see. After a 30-year absence, NBC returns to broadcast the US Open taking over for ABC. This was news to me. Again, this is right around when I was getting into golf from me. NBC has always been synonymous with the US Open. So that was a shocker to me.

I never thought about when did NBC pick up the contract. I just I assume they they'd had it forever up until they lost it to Fox and was it 2015 was the first year that I think Fox did, but and now of course they have it back. But yeah, that was, that was a shocker to me. I don't know if this was Johnny Miller's first US Open that he was calling it must have been if that was the case. But, and man, I don't know if broadcasting was actually better than or whether or not this

is just like ingrained at me again in a time when I was super impressionable, but man, Johnny Miller calling golf was still somehow underappreciated. He and Maltby were so good at just like putting emotion into the shots as they were playing out and their rapport back and forth. And Dick and Berg on the play by play call and do they just fucking linger on the drama? They just linger. They're not in a rush.

They don't have to fill every moment with words between them. They just, you know, Greg Norman makes a par and he's going from, you know, 11 green to 12 T and they just follow him the whole way, right behind them and they, you know, they document the crowd noise as he gets up to the T and starts throwing blades of grass up in the air, figuring out the wind and then they go boom right into it and set the scene for the next shot. It's just, I don't have a, again, it's probably just overly nostalgic for me, but it just was a great, it just drama filled.

I felt like it was a great way to present the action. They showed a lot of golf, but at the same time just kind of hung around and made you feel the tension in the air. And especially when we get to the paving stuff later, you can just see how nervous he is, but they're just not in an overall hurry to rush around and show we're relevant shots. They're going to focus in on where the drama is. So we're trying to squeeze in like every last corporate dollar they can possibly do to maximize profits for shareholders at this point.

And again, it might be, you know, creative editing on the YouTube upload or whatever, but you could it's pretty clear you can tell when the commercial breaks are and they are a lot less frequent at that time Listen, there's a lot less money and golf at that time But it really didn't it did not seem overall like the distraction that it would be today But I guess an edited version today would probably feel the same way. So who could say Ernie else enters this week as the favorite and defending champion at plus 700 Fautos plus 800 couples price and Norman at plus 1200. Norman is up to number one in the world at this time coming off a win at the

memorial. Paven is sixth in the world. And again, Paven has 12 PGA tour wins without a major title, which is most amongst all the Americans on the leaderboard. So I don't know if that was most among all Americans, but they threw a little graphic up that said he was most amongst the guys on the leaderboard. I was like, okay, well, I don't know how helpful that is, but in some of my research, there was someone asking, Pave and about, you know, when he going to win Major, and he was like, kind of, ornery, and it was like, I'm trying to win a lot of majors. I would say I would need to win my first one, but like, I'm trying to win several majors and to get that done, I need to win one. So thanks for asking. He seems very like,

you know, upset at the capital G golf capital M media in general of answering questions about about winning a major. But in a tradition on like any other as well, we have to give a shout out to Rolex for that video that that summary video that's present on the YouTube page and to Raymond Floyd does the intro to the video and he stands so comically awkwardly with his arms crossed just so he can show off his Rolex while he introduces the video. And I just had to give a shout out to that because that really may be laugh of no one stands and talks to Cabra with their arms crossed and arms rage.

Supplies just to make sure the Rolex gets to the shot. The clearly somebody behind there was like, more Rolex in the shot, please. Thank you. Well, Pat Pres did that this week to make his muscles look bigger in the live videos. Oh, I looked you up, according to the live boys. So remember back to when we did our 91 pod about you made a note about how at that in that era, everyone, all the journalist, capital J journalists,

went out of their way to make a point about how small Ian Wuznam was. Yes. That is gonna be a theme that runs rampant throughout all of the coverage of Cory Pavez's pursuit of a US Open title. Bob Kossis again does the narration in this video that's on YouTube and he says,

it was a week that saw one of the game's giants take early command and another giant lead most of the way. But at the end, it was a little man on a big mission who towered above them all, which is the most nineties thing ever. They are not shy at all about just dunking on Corey Pave and for his height. I, I gotta tell you, I've met Bob Cossus and he doesn't need to be throwing any stones and people for his height. Like, he's five, three, five four at on it's like with lifts.

Like I would think he'd be a little more sensitive. He's got a pass to be able to say those things, I guess. I don't know. But in the out before we get going too hard on the action here, I do want to put a call out for people to watch this. If you're trying to understand more about the distance debate, watch the 1995 US Open in Chinatok Hills. Like there's conditions involved in this tournament.

There's a lot of wind involved. It looks really hard, but Chinatown Cah is not tricked up by any means, like there was rain in the early part of the week, the greens, get a little baked out once the wind starts whipping and there's some downwind holes that are really hard to hold, but it just played really hard. Like, the par 5, 16th hole was a genuinely difficult hole

by the end of the week. And straight up, an old school US Open broke out. There was the leaderboard gravity. Everyone was going the wrong direction. Birdies meant so much bogies were inevitable. Like no one was getting through the back nine on Sunday without making a bogie win was whipping. And just again, you're using these golf balls

that are impossible to keep out of the wind. And like I said, the green speeds were not that fast. Like downhill puts, they're like, oh my gosh, there's going to be a ticklish put that he's got. And Cory Pave and Stagging the putter back like four feet and whacking this thing. It was, I do not remember this era having slow greens, but how it plays today with how fast they have to make the greens. If the USGA got that much wind at a US open now, they would not have been able to play.

They balls would not have stayed on the green. I don't care where you play it. Or how Harry you keep the greens, they just have to get that line so thin because of how far the golf ball goes. And I know we've said this a million times, but this crystallizes it. At no point when you're watching this,

are you like, gosh, I wish Zander could like toe hit one. And it would still go 310 down the fairway right now. This crystallizes it. At no point when you're watching this are you like, gosh, I wish Zander could like toe hit one and it would still go 310 down the fairway right now. It's like, no, no, hit this little driver head and try to figure out how to get this ball in the hole. Get crafty with how you're gonna hit your shots and it's frickin' fascinating, it really is. I don't know if golf would have gotten as popular

as it is today if the equipment would have stayed this kind of challenging to hit, but man, it makes way more golf wakes way more sense looking at it like this than it does currently. When you see guys hit like little punches and little like carvy, you know, things that never get five feet off the ground because it's the only way to get it up around the green. It's really cool.

And I just, something was definitely lost. You're right. Like, you see guys now and they're super frustrated and not being able to just hit a towering seven iron through the wind. But in that era, I just didn't even try that shit because there was no way you'd get, but the thing would go 110 yards and fall straight down. Well, you don't need to hit towering seven irons anymore because everything's a wedge. The 470 holes are hitting nine irons into it. It just, it really, it defines it like right there

I know it's like we've gotten very used to seeing the style of golf and it's hard to picture it But if you go back and watch again in part of the video at one point They say Greg Norman has chosen three iron here to go after this pin in the back left It's like when have you ever seen a guy go after a pin and with a three iron? I promise this whole thing's not gonna be about the distance to be but man again, watching these guys struggle to try to win this thing sure seemed like maybe when this tournament had its most identity, right? So I still like tend to disagree with Randy on how much he thinks the USGA should push it because it's like, dude, the USGA has made terrible mistakes, I think, in this and

it's in limiting the distance and the technology more than it is, like, their setup problems because they just, you can't, they have no margin for error on either side when the wind doesn't blow guys are going to pick it apart and the wind blows they greens are too fast to even play golf and They've kind of backed themselves into this corner But I do feel empathy for the people that are trying to set up these golf tournaments now Yeah, I You'll I'll revisit that a little bit just in the my open championship thing, but no chance that if the wind blew as hard, like last year at the open championship,

that it did in the year that I watched that they could have had the greens the same speed. Because their pants are just whipping. Yeah, I mean, you absolutely like have to just have stones over four footers because if you push it a little bit, the wind is absolutely taking it, it might blow it off the green. So, especially with like, that's why they had to play, that's what the reputation for British Open Greens is a bit longer because the wind would fricken blow and they couldn't have it, but now they just can't because of the distance. And RNA lost them in 2015. The day we were there and blacked out, I think that night, because we had another new

bit drink because they couldn't play because the wids were too strong. But Nick Price is back after the MC at the Masters and it's due to 66 to open up a one shot lead over Scott Simpson, Greg Norman and Phil Mickelson are two back. Phil had it to minus five at one point before making a double and a bogey coming in finishing at 200 jumbo, Zaki holding up his top 10 world ranking sits there at one under par tigers psycho scorecard of the front nine Making only one par on the front bill mercheson a Nike tour player gets off to a hot start and costus makes a joke that there's at least Nine people in the gallery cheering for him because he travels in a van every week with his wife and eight children What in a van every week with his wife and eight children. What?

He travels. What's the Nike tour every week with in a van with his wife and eight children is what caught. There was no more information. That's all the information that I was given on that one. But see, that is a horror story that needed to be told. I would like to track him down now and fear that story. I find it. We're two of those eight kids.

Bill Merchuson, go find him. I believe you can do it. 55-year-old Jack Nicholas shoots 71 in Round 1. Remarkable. What a baller, Jack, was. That's total G at golf. A capital G gangster at golf. It just like, literally, obviously wasn't contending in his 50s very much, but was showing up as on the first page of the leaderboard,

like every single major being like, yeah, I can throw one good round in there. Like, I'm still bad ass. He would shoot 79 round two to miss the cut, unfortunately, but still a remarkable accomplishment. In round two, Nick Price shoots 73, and Norman takes the lead by two over jumbo Ozzaki by shooting 67.

Phil and Bob Tway are three back at two under Kurt Byrum siding as he sits at T7 tied without it. Honestly, I don't know a whole lot about Kurt Byrum or his career. With the announcers, it can kind of be 50, 50, you're like, did you play professionally? I don't, you're before my era. I don't know if you played professionally or not. I'm like, okay, Kurt Byrum, very serious golfer here. Mark Rolfing, did you play?

I don't know the answer to that. It's before my time. Peter Cossus, I don't remember if you played, but. I think someday like future generations will be like, I did Shane Bacon when he used to open my car. I feel like it could be, I mean, I don't know. Maybe. Norman, of course, famously held the lead here at Chinatok in 1986

at the US Open after 54 holes, got into a confrontation with a fan and ended up finishing T12 on that Sunday. It did not go well. That was the year of the Saturday slam. And again, he leads after 36 holes comes out. Again, this was the day that Norman comes 18 and chose a three iron to attack a pin in the back left of the green, which kind of just was like, holy shit.

Man, this is a different golf tournament. Round three, I got to say, third leg Greg comes out in the freshest of fresh white straw hats. I mean, he just looked like a fucking baller. He looked ready to take on anyone on this Saturday. He would have shoot 74. Unfortunately, he did not like the pin positions. He said they didn't match the wind.

And he could not have thought of a round that was as tough and demanding as that Saturday at Chinnacock Hills. Tom Laman has managed to score 67 on this day and gets into a tie for the lead with Norman at one under par. Michelson and Tway are at even one back in Pavan, Nick Price, Stricker Verplank, and the wee Welshman Ian Wuznam, T5, draws the pairing with Corey Pavan on the Sunday at at Chinatown Hills. Who could have seen that one coming?

A little putin showdown. Pavan, at one point, drains a, you know, when he gets to the part three, 11th hole, again, cost it says this tough little hole met its tough little match. And of course, a reference to Paven's height. He drained a 10 foot par putt at one point and walked straight away from the hole. I didn't know we were still doing this in 95. I know this was like something back in the 60s and 70s. You made the cat to get the ball out of the hole for you, but Paven pulled this one every now and then, but huge scores on this day, including quote, Ozaki, a jumbo 80, which again, costus is really working off some excellent material here.

He and Rigorayla are basically trading like quips and like jokes for the entire 90s. So we get to round four again, Norman has a 54 whole lead yet again. Neil Lancaster goes out and shoots 29 on the back nine and shoots 65 in the final round. It's up in a tie for fourth. That was I believe the lowest score ever posted in nine holes at the US open. It's show Corey Pavens T shot on one and again, I hate to make this about distance, but longing for an era where dude, he hits the sickest fade around this corner. I mean, just a low hot peeling fade, a ball flight that you would never, ever see anyone

hit intentionally in this era. And it was just awesome. Norman gets a Rick Riley says Norman, who had all his luck surgically removed as a boy, started Sunday by hitting the first flag stick with his wedge shot. A bad break that catapulted his ball off the green for where he had to scramble to make par a bad omen for things to come. So again, picking this up on the back nine, it's all on YouTube, US Open Classic finishes 1995.

Norman heads into the back nine with the lead. He makes a nice up and down on 11, but makes bogey on 12. Laman makes a birdie. And it's now a four way tie at plus one with Greg Norman, Tom Laman, Bob Tway and Corey Pave and again, they're weaving in and out of these four sums or these groups really quickly and nicely. And it's just like you can you can feel the action heating up here. I wish I didn't know the result because it's like, damn, I kind of want to just like relive this as if I don't know who wins it. Davis love is not far away as well. He gets up and stuffs one on 16. He has a four footer to tie the lead at plus one. Doesn't touch the whole

miss is the like misses the putt badly. Michelson stuffs one on 14. He gets within one of the lead and then Norman kind of begins the shit show. He pulls into the Fescue on 13 and he makes a bogey. Tway makes a bogey on 14. Pave and stuff, you know, learns that he's tied for the lead steps up and just stuffs one in tight on 15 and pours in the putt dead center. Now he knows at that, he said at that point, he realized the tournament was his and he is going to go play the final three holes with the lead. He's at even par. Norman makes a bogey. All of a sudden, he's too back. He just looks miserable. He hasn't made a birdie in over 30 holes or something

like that. And it's just been a very, very slow bleed of all these missed eight foot par puts all over the place. The carnage. I love it. A sick wrinkle thrown in here for this final pairing. David Faye comes in the booth and says, pace of play. What do you think the pace of play was for a two sum at the US Open was in 1995? The established pace of play, like the rule of thumb pace of play. Oh, I would say four hours and 50 minutes or something for a two sum. I'll let you roll for two sum. They're in two sums. What do you think the standard pace of play would be? Four hours. Three hours and 40 minutes. Oh my God.

Yes. That's awesome. And so he comes on to say that Norman and layman are over a hole behind and they got put on the clock in the final parake. I mean, he was open while I think they're in the final parake. The final parake and it's 100% on Norman. I mean, he hovers over the ball forever. He takes forever

to make decisions. It's a tough, tough scene, but they were eight minutes over their time through the 12th hole. And it's a two shot penalty for two times over 40 seconds. Once you get put on the clock, costus comes in says Norman's major record reads

victories to near messes too often. Pave and gets up to the 16th hole. Wind is whipping and this whole plate freaking amazing. No one is getting home into it becomes like a dude, you better hit the fairway. If you're going to be able to lay up in the right spot, the layup was really difficult. Pave and just slaps one out in the fairway and has a three wood hooking layup. It's a pre apex fist pump on a layup. Like that's how much he smokes this three wood or whatever he hits.

Like underneath the wind. I'm telling you, he hits it and he just immediately fist pumps and start walking after it gets up there. He hits an after going driver three wood. He hits an eight iron into the par five, 16th hole and then pulls it just left the pin, but it kind of leaks back down and he's got eight feet away. And he actually misses the eight foot left to writer. Makes par on 17. Norm and finally makes birdie on 15 is first birdie like 30 holes and he gets within one. So Pave is out in front about ready to play the last hole.

And this is like, again, this is US Open Time period where like the less holes you have, the better. Like you're not making a birdie run at that point. No one was birding 5th, 16. Everyone's making a mess of it. 17 to tough part three, you know, 18 is playing pretty long. Like get it in the house and you're totally fine. He gets to 18 T and like, he's just got a weight and weight and they just linger on.

He's uncomfortable. Like the group in the fairway. I don't know what they're doing up there. I think Davis love was making a mess up there. And he's just got a weight, weight, weight. Dick Annberg tells us kind of setting the scene that he is next to last and driving distance in this championship. Unfortunately, the PGA tour website. Oh, my redo it. Oh. The tour website and their redo, you can't go back and look up 1995 driving distance here, but I think he was, they said he was averaging under 250 yards off the tee that year on the PGA tour, maybe for the championship. So like we're truly talking about bunting it and Enberg steps it up and says,

he's a great shot maker. He's kept the ball in the fairway today. And here the little man has a chance to win the title. Keep going back to this. I can't believe we didn't get it. I don't know how he hasn't blown over in this win here, Dick. Wait, like discrimination against short people was just like really big time in the 90s. Like you're just that was the one joke. You could just totally get away with without being 90s canceled

was to make fun of short people. Uh, Pavan steps up and stripes it down the fairway. They follow the ball from a mega tower. And dude, like it does not stay in the air very long. This ball does not go anywhere. And again, watching Pavan swing the club, listen, he wins the US Open. Like I don't need to tell you how freaking talented the guy is. It like just doesn't look like the right way to swing a golf club. I, it's also this weird era where when you hit a shot, it, it darts off the screen to the right. I don't know why the cameras work that way, but back in the day, I always thought everyone hit it way right. And this when they hit it and it always drew back in. But no, it just doesn't look right. It doesn't look like he's doing it right yet. He's just a scrappy, scrappy, scrappy dude.

Gets up to his ball in 18. He's got 209 to the front, 228 flag. The wind, again, I always assume that wind was whipping because we know what he ends up hitting. It's actually helping a little bit down off the right. Shiny Miller's like, I think that wind's actually helping down there. This is Paveon's recollection of the conversation. He said, I was carrying think that wins actually help it down there. This

is Pavein's recollection of the conversation. He said, I was carrying a two iron in my bag at the time and I turned to Eric, his caddy and said, do you think I can get two iron there? And he said, no, which was a great answer. Very definitive. I said, do you think it's for what? And he said, yes, I agree. And that was it. It was a very quick and very definitive decision. We were in total agreement. And there was no doubt It was perfect. Now as Cady Eric Schwartz says, the wind is quartering right to left. We've got 209 yards to the front, 220 to the hole. The pin was 19 on on the left side.

He says, can I get two iron there? I was real quick of my answer. I said, there's no way you're getting two iron there. It's forward all the way. And he goes, your answer was so quick and to the point that I agree with you. And I just found that interesting. Like, yeah, you answered so fast.

Like, okay, I agree. It's the shot. No, no, it's what we're doing. It hits the shot. It's an awesome, again, like overhead view from kind of a fairway tower. I don't know if they do these shots anymore, but you see the ball take off,

and you can see the ball in the air with the hole in the distance. Like, you can see it start to bend right to left and take shape, and like it just kind of brings you the edge of your seat, even more than like Tracer does. Starts running up after it. I mean, this ball, okay, with a forewood, and a little bit of help it,

when didn't cover 200 yards. It lands short of the green, bounds up. It looks like it's going in the hole and starts to break. And it just, like, goes six feet right of the hole. It is a sick shot. It is such a good shot in that wind. He like runs up and throws his arms up and like get down in a crouch and like looks like he might hyperventilate. Like he looks like the moment has like taken over him and he

is under hydrated or something. He just like sense there with his hands between his legs for like a little while. And again, Johnny Miller's favorite call. Watch out for this one. It's the shot of his life. And it really was. Norman behind him hits it in the bunker on 17. Cost is his line as a heroes welcome for a little man who played with the heart of a giant. As we're walking up 18 yet again, Pave and actually missed the putt.

I don't know if people, I didn't remember that, but he did not make the putt. Norman makes bogey on 17. And he walks up, he's walking up the hill and John Schroeder, the NBC announcer, is backpedaling, like maybe trying to get a comment from him and totally bites it, just totally wipes out right on camera. Paving like kind of catches him and helps him up a little bit, but then Paving climbed up into the tower to watch Norman shot into 18.

He's miked up with Johnny and Dick Enberg and that's when Norman does not hold it from the from the fairway. He is the US Open Champion. So I remember you can this dude looks like a plumber like that mustache and I was just like, wow, like I do remember the I don't want to say that I saw it live, but I definitely remember like maybe replays on the news or sports center at that time of like it's a shot of his life. Like, you know, that's kind of feels like an underrated shot

in major championship history. Like I know, you just don't see it quite as much as you see, like, you know, maybe because Corey Payments just not like an iconic dude, but I feel like even, you know, some of the shots, Tiger 116 obviously is like the most replayed shot ever, or fill through the trees and Augusta. Like those are shots

We see all the time or you know the I don't know it just it surprises me that that shot doesn't get more run Maybe because you didn't make the pie maybe I got a little run in 2018 right? Maybe it's more fresh in my mind just because being back at Chinataka. It got a fair amount of run in that moment They like try to contextualize it and you know in Rick Rick Riley's article, he writes about Jerry Payne's shot in Atlanta. He writes about just a bunch of different iconic shots, Sarah's and his forewood, things like that that he compares it to. And yeah, it's it's freaking up there, man. It is an awesome shot. It was even better than I remembered it being watching it in the full context of the round and how like it was freaking hard out there. It was really, really, really hard to make parts.

And I think it's like, when people think to US opens that your grandfather's US open and it's nostalgic US open, it's golf like this. Like I get it, right? I just don't think you can get there with setup anymore because of what the golf ball does. Like I'm sorry, John Romps, not gonna, if you put, if you drop John Romt today

at 95 Chinatown with that setup, he would bring it to its fucking knees. He would shoot 20 under par like he really would. It's hard to describe how much the game has changed. It'd be interesting to see how long it would take them to adjust to much slower greens. Like probably would take them, you know, two days of practice before the tournament, but just because no one plays slower grains now these days and obviously you could put pins in different spots where you can't put them now. So maybe it would sort of open up

some a little different strategy, but I think you're 100% right. Like it just, it wouldn't matter. They would just, they would destroy it. So. Phil Michelson played the par five, 16th, par five, 16th in six over par for the week ended up losing the US open by four shots. This was a much closer call for Phil than I remember. I know he has the very close call

obviously at Chinatown in 2004, but this is not one that people comes to mind very quickly, you know, the people that rattle off that, uh, feel should want. He led the field and birdies in this week, but just made way too many, uh, big numbers. He, uh, Cory Pavehn reached as high as number two in the world a year later. It's remarkable. He only won twice after this on the PGA tour. He won a year later at Colonial and then randomly 2006 in Milwaukee, 10 years after that. Only ever had four top five finishes in major championships in his career. Wanted each of the majors. That kind of surprised me a little bit, but I mean, you think of like Jim Furek, I think has 16 top five finishes in majors.

Like, and one major title and Corey Paveon's got four top fives and one major title. That was just fun. That were remarkable. It is interesting that Corey got to, I mean, I think he's one of the more disastrous Ryder Cup captains in this era, but that he got to be Ryder Cup captain just basically on the strength of this major, which isn't even usually, you know, you'd win a PGA, that would sort of give you a little bit more. But like, what's the difference?

Is there a huge difference between like, I don't know, like David Tom's or like Marco Mira or, you know, like, why did Marco Mira never get to be a Ryder Cup captain? Like, it's just sort of a strange thing that like Corey Pave and I don't know, maybe knew how to suck up to, I don't suck up, but like massage the right people or whatever, be in the right sort of the situation. I mean, there's a lot of dudes who had better careers in majors and stuff. I mean, he won a lot of PGA tournaments, but, and yet, you know, he got that call.

It's so funny. I don't know why in Wikipedia, they are so obsessed with identifying people's political, like, golfers' political ideology or, like, in their personal life. And they go out of their way always to identify that. I laugh at this now because of just how much more contentious the political environment is today in 2022 than it would have been in 1993.

But also notes that he refused to go to the White House in 93 after they won the writer cup because he didn't want to meet Bill Clinton due to their differing political views. He also was the only top Jewish player on tour until 91, Matt year, he converted to Christianity. Oh, he was rated the 117th greatest Jewish athlete in the 2007 book, The Big Book of Jewish Sports Heroes by Peter S. Horvitz. Wow. I'm sorry. You lost a potential hero max. Yeah. You're listening. He could have been the guy who inspired. It's such a really like a baseball player.

Pave and Smith is named after Pave and Smith is the son of Pave and's agent. That's in his personal life part of his Wikipedia page. Who needs to know that about him? I don't understand that. He's kind of a mystery too. Like he doesn't weigh in on like golf matters of the day now, or he's not like someone who isn't, I don't know, does he play the senior tour even? Like obviously, you know, I think he does still.

He's a ton of school. He's, he didn't know for a while, but I don't know if he, if he still does, he is now 63 years old. Anyways, that's the 95 US Open at Chinatown. Sweet. good recap. That was very entertaining. That's a tribute to like the USGA having data and information available. Because again, as we said in the last one,

PGA championship, get it together. It's tough, tough scene. Do feel like we really need to continue to shame the PGA until some low level intern is forced to upload like all of the ABC coverage or CBS coverage from the PGA chips. It exists somewhere. It exists up here. I'm sure it does.

I don't know. Yeah. Sorry if you're the intern who got that thing, but you know, it's better than like log in, I don't know, shots or like taking stuff for people's, I don't know, they're cost of outfits for, you know, making, it's been possible to say what you do as an intern at an television network these days, but I can't imagine it's a worse thing than log and tape. So, we're done. As we mentioned during the live shows during the Masters, Roeback has restocked their

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and right up the top is that his Arnold Palmer's last open championship. He had sort of said in 1990 that he was going to hang it up, but the pull of coming back was just too much. And so Arnie got one final sort of send off, got to sort of, it's a fascinating, I watched the thing that the British Open, the BBC puts together to sort of discuss, kind of wrap up the open and they had footage of Arnie talking in the past champions dinner and giving a sort of a toast in it, which I had never really seen.

I thought those things were the skull and bones of golf, very secretive situations, but Arnie gives a great talk about how he came over to the first open that he did. I think it was in 60, 61, and because he really felt like it was the most celebrated sort of championship in the world and he wanted to be a part of it. And in a lot of ways that in there, even sort of discussing in this BBC piece, he saved the open championship in terms of its prominence because he sort of elevated it to the level of the other majors again and made guys want to get on a boat or get on an airplane and come on over.

So I thought that was kind of a cool thing to see. You know, I love that era of Arnie where he's still looking really handsome and he's looking like your dad and like a cool sweater, you know, and he's just like, you can see why he just charmed the shit out of people because he just was like a really guy who

seemed very comfortable at all times in his own skin. And so he's out there, you know, beating balls on the driving range before the thing and shaking hands and kissing babies and just, you know, being, being that dude. So Norman and Faldo come into this as favorites, but Norman is nursing a sore back, which he brings up repeatedly, but then says every time is not an excuse. So, you know, they've made a merry cut. It's definitely not an excuse, but my back is hurting pretty bad. So I were going to play one of my favorite games here. I'm going to give you the name of the guy who was tied for the first round lead, and we'll see if you can guess what his name

might be. His name is Mark, who might be his last name? Uh, I would say Brooks, but that's obviously not the answer if that's what came to mind. But I don't know. It wouldn't be Omira. It wouldn't be Brooks. It wouldn't be Macumber. So I'm going to play the fifth. Yeah. It is Mark McNulty of Zimbabwe, which literally never heard of him before. Apparently, one 16 times on the European tour. So apologies to some of our European listeners who probably so many annoyed that we didn't remember the fabulous career of Zimbabwean

Mark don't call me Jimmy McNulty. But I see Zimbabwean slash Irish. So you might really let this off some people. Oh, well, he's listening Wikipedia is from being from Zimbabwe. So I don't want to I don't want to discredit the Zimbabwean. So whatever. First round leader, other than Mark McNulty, Ben Crenshaw, making a reappearance Ben Crenshaw, calling the Open Championship at St Andrew's

the most democratic course in the world, the little D, not big D, just got some politics. Because you can play. You can even use to play. You can use to play on the whole course. Because you can play any to play. Used to play on the because you can play any shot that you want. You get to choose how to sort of attack the course and the fact that Ben Krenshaw and John Daly are both first-round leaders tied with Mark McNulty and Tom Watson is a good proof of that as John Daly is looking like a sort of unemployed gym teacher as he shows up.

looking like a sort of unemployed gym teacher as he shows up. He, the old championship with a mullet in the back and a straight just bull cut on top. What's the difference between unemployed and a substitute teacher? I don't know what the difference is there. I think an unemployed gym teacher is kind of like, you know, he's been fired from a couple of jobs. Maybe not. He's not the first guy they call, but he might get a call. If shit's really hitting the fan, you know, some people, you know, if there's a like a chicken pox outbreak at the school and they need somebody to come in

and play dodgeball with the kids, that's that's Sean daily. In 1995, of course, you know, now I don't even want to, I won't go there. What he looks like these days. David Farrity is a shot out of the first round lead. Did not see that coming. Playing the game again, Sally, first name Bill from the United States. Bill McAtey, he was he a call for it? I don't remember. Really? No.

No. Bill Glassen. Oh, Bill Glassen. I almost brought him up from the US open. Have you seen pictures of Bill Glassen? I have not seen pictures of Bill Glassen. It is like John Daly's hair meets like pain stewards face, meets like 80 year old grandma, like oversized glasses that look something that has had cataract surgery,

had an unbelievable aesthetic. I didn't bring them up in the notes because I was like, dude, I can't describe what this guy actually looks like, but he was involved in the US open at Chinatown Hills as well, and I will send you a picture of him because I have one. Okay. I'm very excited to see that at some point. Bill is tied with Ferdy and a guy named, I only met you, VJ, but of course, I won't

match it, make you guess this one. Matt's Halberg, not ever heard of Matt's Swedish golfer, obviously, was in the mix just for the first day or so, but doesn't really factor in. Just going down the leaderboard a little bit, some of the names is sort of important. Darren Clark, a young Darren Clark is sort of two shots off the lead. John Cook, who blew an open championship to Nick Fowl though in one of our previous discussions.

Little Corey Pavan is three shot, you know, it starts out three under in the first day. And Constantino Roca, another name that will come up later. Open Championship, you know, just always super fun because brings in all kinds of different people who you don't get to sort of see from, or especially in this era when it was just mostly we got a CPGA tour tournaments. So the second round leader, Tidefield lead was, I want to say this right, Kato Yoshu Tamori, a guy from Japan, didn't really have an illustrious career

in golf, won some on the Japan tour, played on the Champions Tour later in life, I think one won Champions Tour event, but was never really a big stud, but was a was a series contender like much throughout this. The Brits 95 making a lot of like really kind of vaguely racist jokes about Japanese players, about the sun also rises. You would be, I mean, I'm sure you're not in because I'm sure you saw it, but like, the amount of like casual racism towards Asian people

in this era is fucking disgusting. I was a hesitant to like ask about is this the time period when they like say these outrageous things about Asian players when they come on the screen But apparently it is because you brought it up first But like I've watched some of those old British open stuff and they they'll be at random like Japanese guy that's in contention And like they just like they they they use them as like a punchline the whole time. It's just holy shit, man. Yeah. It's it's it's it's it's always like the really bad cliched like samurai shit or like, oh, and the song no longer rises here on what it's like.

Jesus. Yeah. So the third round story is really where it starts to get interesting. New Zealand's Michael Campbell has a sizzling 65 to take the lead by two shots going into the final round. Michael Campbell, very young at this point, 23, I think, 24, hasn't really made a name for himself, but it's just firing at at pins, like hitting all these like really impressive drives. It gets it walled up against the face of the road bunker on 17. Everyone

thinks it's totally fucked. Hits one of the best shots you will ever see from the roll hole bunker. Basically like smashes it down. It deflects off of the wall, just dribbles up over the top and rolls down to about a foot. Incredible. He puts his hands up. Sometimes you can see a sort of a gif of Michael Campbell rocking the title as Tad at his era just being like, oh, what can't I do wrong? Apparently what Michael Campbell could not do right with the following day was, was, get to the course in time.

This is sort of a little non-story that has always kind of fascinated me. He was staying in like Dundee, and he did a podcast with sort of like the story of the open stuff where he talked about this. So this isn't like speculation. And he said that IMG, his agency at the time, was like, hey, do you want to take

a helicopter to the old course on Sunday? You know, you're leading like it'll be like a really cool experience, whatever. And he's like, Yeah, you know, like that sounds great. I would, I'm not going to try to do it. QE acts in here because that's definitely very offensive. But he says, you know, I'll definitely would, um, would like to do that. That'll be cool. The chopper that's supposed to take him there is like 45 minutes late. Stop. He's just sitting there leading the fucking open championship stuck in Dundee. Well, you know, like 30 minutes away, doing and furiating by this chopper.

Finally comes, he's why I get on it. And then they get to they land. And it's still the course is like 10 minutes away. You don't like something you could land on the 16th green or something. So they get in a van and he like, tell the van, you know, you listen mate, you have to like drive on curbs,

like go through the wrong way down streets. I don't care. I'm gonna be the first guy to ever like be, you know, disqualified while leading the open. He gets to, he gets to have heard this. Oh yeah, he gets to the range. He has time to hit like maybe like 10 shots like he's completely rushing. He doesn't hit a single put before the round starts out and just like yanks his drive like way left and it's like you can tell he's just fucking rattled the entire day. Like it's, I mean, this was, he could have clearly like won the

open championship if he had sort of like been able to go through his regular routine and have a peace of mind or whatever, but his early stumble just sort of like opens it up for everyone else to kind of, you know, and it's a very windy day. It's not a sort of day where like, you know, birdies are out there and, you know, John Daily, who obviously ends up winning, starts the day at five under, shoots know, birdies are out there. And, you know, John Daly, who obviously ends up winning, starts the day at five under, shoots 71 ends up winning. So it's not like there was this, you know, really kind of easy scores out there. And guys, guys got lapt. And I could just couldn't

help but feel for Michael Campbell of like poor, poor dude, just like trying to sort of, you know, listen to his agency and then, oh yeah, I'll take a helicopter or whatever and that's insane. It gets a holy fuck. For us, you're a source of it. It makes Roy's Ryder Cup thing look like absolutely nothing. Yeah. So there's some poor like junior agent at IMG who probably now is like working at CAA or whatever. And it's like just hearing this for the like for the first time in 20 years and it it was like, God, I was hoping that's where it would die. Michael Campbell, he does eventually get his major,

be a beat center of woods at Pyners of all places at the US Open. So pretty cool redemption for him at some point down the road. I don't know if you'd ever heard of Constantino Roca before this open. Certainly, I had not. He did have a very memorable moment in the Ryder Cup prior to this, where he missed a super short putt at the Belfrey. And a lot of sort of journalists kind of implied that he had sort of blown the Ryder Cup

before the Europeans. It doesn't quite work out that way. There were a bunch of of big stars for the Euros who sort of laid eggs and couldn't get wins that way, but Rokka sort of had to, you know, wear that around his neck for a couple of years of like, the guy who missed like a literally like a two foot pot that could have won his match

and basically like have the cup for the Euros. And he was basically, I mean, I think he said like something, you know, I, I know the killing anybody, I miss a putt, like what is the deal? Like he was, you know, constantly in a row, like truly a wonderful character in golf. His father was like a gravel minor in Italy. He never really wanted a constitutive play sports.

He just thought he just like go off to work. And so he sent him out to work. And he was like 13 years old. He got recruited by a soccer team in 1970. His father wouldn't let him go out for the soccer, he was like a professional soccer team that wanted him to be a part of it. He would basically work in a factory six days a week

where he sort of put together the molding for boxes, cardboard boxes. And his hands were constantly dumped in hot water. And his hands would wake up, there's aching and stuff. And it was all for like 300 bucks a month essentially. Jesus. Yeah. So, like, Rogan had a very, you can people who you know, I think there were some reference in the Full swing the 20-feet now like growing up dirt poor like constantly in a roco

Had it much worse like working from a 15-year-old in a no box shop Maybe like I'm putting a little too much emphasis on the helicopter story for Michael Campbell's Sort of slow collapse because they asked him on Saturday night like you, you know, are you really in the open or are you feeling overwhelmed? And he said, am I overwhelmed? Well, no, I mean, yes, yes, I'm very overwhelmed. I'm just actually a great quote. So obviously, John Dele ends up sort of being the story in this Sunday. Like, he's, you know, this is a sort of pre-tiger. Dele is completely kind of rewriting the rules of golf.

We talked a lot about that in the PGA where a couple, you know, when he first broke on the scene and won the PGA 91, he's basically just taking it over like every dog leg in this era. Like he had been through a lot of shit like this is already is on his second marriage. He's you know been suspended from the tour at one point for sort of gambling and alcohol stuff. The British announcers are sort of often implying throughout the thing at least not the most popular man in America but the Brits he has show love him and it's like wow you know I don't know about that like there's certainly a lot

of people who really love John Daly still, like I'll call drug problems, whatever the side the fun. So, but Daly's like, he's really just absolutely still, like, nuking the shit out of the ball. I mean, this is not the era what we saw like with Rory and Kim Smith, where we expect them to drive all the par fours. This is the era where it's first sort of becoming truly possible. So, you know, Daly drove all six all the par fours. This is the era where it's first sort of becoming truly possible. So, you know, daily drove all six of the par fours,

like three, nine, 10, 12, 16, and 18. And he's reaching all the par fives with iron in his hands. And so it's just like, even though he's not like tearing it up on Sunday, the wind is blowing so hard that he's giving himself just more and more chances than anybody else. Already, in writing in Sports Illustrator, said that you could see the RNA grimacing every time, John Daly sort of slowly moved up the leaderboard because they were asking it, right at one point, asking themselves, are we really going to have to invite this bloke

to dinner for the rest of the rest of the time? And John Daly has asked at one point, do you think you'll join the RNA if you... invite this bloke to dinner, like for the rest of the rest of the time. And he, John Ali has asked at one point, like, you know, do you think you'll join the RNA if you win? And he says, I ain't joining if there's like rules and crap. I hate them rule. He's actually four back when the round begins of the day to Michael Campbell, obviously, but Enroker's ahead of him at the start of the day. But he says he woke up and he was feeling just right. He had like four or five chocolate croissants for breakfast.

Oh my God. And then he and his wife, he and his wife, Paulette, danced crazily in their room to Wilson Pickett CDs, which is not a sentence I could have made up. It's just truly amazing. He says, I'll tell you, I love my wife, probably more than golf, you'd say later, which, of course, didn't last. This is his second or fourth lives. He actually, like, daily, I don't know if you remember, had said that he, when he wanted to pick a pick, said, I want to win more majors than Jack Nicholas.

And so as he sort of like hangs on in this, you know, Riley points out like at 29 he has a second major, you know, only Nicholas Watts and Johnny Miller were the only other Americans who had had two majors before they were 30. This was not the era where like, before they were 30. This was not the era where like, Speed is winning, you know, two majors before turning 25, or Roy's winning four majors before turning 25. So, down the stretch of this is kind of one of the more memorable open championships ever,

but not for necessarily like anything that John Daly does. Like, he plays really solid. One of the things that's sort of really apparent about Daly, if you watch like the final round of the open championship is, the dude was not just a bomber. He was really like an artist. It was sent like sensible, sensible, sensible golf to my memory from like the dude that we don't paint is like the most sensible golfer.

Like it was just proper execution, leaving in the right places, two putting, lag putting, all the things you're supposed to do in Link's Golf. It wasn't like truly like, like, oh my gosh, this dude is tearing it up. It was just smart. I'm gonna make sure that I don't screw up and hit this in an impossible up and down spot. And when he would get in difficult spots,

like he had his super soft hands, he could get around it. It does make you kind of wish when you watched this stuff, like man, it would have been fun if John Dele was like, had more of a normal, like universe surrounding him or it was not have issues with alcohol and didn't sort of throw away last stuff because like he, yeah, he had to shed out of it, but he could really carve shots and do all kinds of cool stuff with it. The most memorable stuff about this open that really everyone remembers is that it looks like daily is going to win pretty clearly. They're basically engraving the trophy

because he has a one shot lead and Roka, who had sort of scraped it around all day, hits it onto the road on the road hole. And so it's like, oh, well, there's no chance. It's literally on the gravel road. it stays there, whatever. And Roka breaks out a putter in the road. The ball is in a road divot, not an actual earth divot. And he hits the putter and what he's doing, no one's really, the setup is pretty quick and it doesn't really take, build the drama much. And the

ball, it pops up into the air and like, I'm not kidding, like maybe two feet into the air and bounces and then sort of like skids to a stop, like right around the hole. And he's able to make par on the road hole. It's like, I would, if we ever go to the old course slide, I'm going to try this shot because I do not know how in the world he could have done this. He said later, I think I saw that maybe it hit a rock later, like, Rather goes and hangs out with them after the open chain of chipping sort of just writes a lot about like this wonderful character that he could he practiced that kind of shot all the time that he would hit like these tops in puts on stuff where he'd have to kind of like skip over rough and then stop, you know, in your hole and he could do it like over and over and over again. So and then of course even more memorable on on 18, he's a shot down. If he makes a birdie, he's going to make it into a playoff. Daily and his wife are sort of like, you know,

hugging behind the green, rocking back and forth and they're just sort of praying that like, you know, everything'd be fine. He hits a drive that comes up just short of the values in and everyone's like, all right, now is like for the chip of his life, he's straight like chunk, like the worst chunk I think I've ever seen a professional golfer hit on the chip that in 17, like horrendous. Maybe goes, you know, five feet, like right at the bottom of the values in. And so everyone's like, oh, it's, you know, it at the bottom of the valuation. And so everyone's like, oh, it's over, John Dele. It's almost a whiff.

I mean, he hits probably two inches behind the ball. Like it's ridiculous. And then so he basically, he says later in the story, like he was not trying to make the putt. He was really just hoping that he wouldn't make a bogey there because he didn't want to finish fifth because he would lose like a shit ton of money. Like he would, you know, he would, he would go from making like, you know, 50,000 pounds

to like 20,000 pounds or whatever. And so he just blasts the putt and it's like goes right into the hole. And it's like one of the most like out of nowhere like did that just happen shots ever to to make birdie and to make it into a playoff. And he collapses on the ground. He's like pounding his fists on the ground. If everyone's going crazy, daily is like looks like he shell-shocked. He comes out in the playoff and it's like six over.

He leaves, he takes him three. I didn't realize that they in the playoff at St. Andrews. I don't know if they still do this, but they play one, two, and then 17, 18. So they play the roadhole again, which is really pretty awesome. But at this point, he's already down to, daily makes like a 30 footer on the second hole of the playoff to go up to, because Constantine Bogey the first. And then on 17, he hits it in the roll to a bunker and then takes three swings to get out of there.

And so it's basically over, like it's sort of a somber walkup, 18. But like, Rokas, like, he's like hug and daily on the green afterwards. He's like, you know, great job. You know, we're proud of you, whatever. And then of course, as you may remember, the streaker comes flying onto the green, which is sort of the famous picture that we've all seen that the guy, you know, he'd basically been like planning this for, you know, months that he was going to throw himself out onto the green and, you know, basically like, you know, try to cause an international

incident and he sort of jokes and he brought an essay for I think like the Guardian afterwards it was like, oh, you know, like the the FBI and CIA and Interpol were all chasing me and He's been the night in jail and Don't leave out the best detail. He had 19th hole painted on his back I did hold down to his bare mouth. It was ass. Yes Sorry, they almost left that out, but yeah truly like a very memorable open championship I forgot to mention Jack Nicholas was actually, I don't know if he was in it, but made a very famous 10 here. I was like one of the worst

scores ever in a major championship. Got in the Hellbunker and it took him like four swings to get out. So just a kind of a fun all around like very memorable open championship, which is always great when it goes to St. Andrews. The win, if the win whipped the way that it whipped, this thing, we would be ecstatic. I mean, it would just be that because it's the only thing that really keeps St. Andrews, you know. It did though, it did in 15.

We were there and they couldn't play. Like they could not wake off. That's true. That's true. Because the ball's gonna blow off the green. I'm saying every year, like, that's what it needs. It's like, it needs the win from 15. It needs the win from 95. Like it doesn't need the win from from this most real well don't want to let's not shave the greens are nice so they can play in the heavy

win. So all right. Thank you for that. It is time to conclude the 95 majors. Do you remember off top of your head where the 1995 PGA championship was? Only I think because I was just there recently. It was a Riviera. Yes, so I walked I walked through the Clubhouse there and they have like little Hand-drawn like artist pictures of all the people who've ever won anything at Riviera and so I was curious if like They still had a picture of Joaquin Neeman and they do. They haven't like disappeared him from the world. And there's still pictures of Phil down there and stuff. So yeah, no pictures of Jack and Tiger because they never want to

Rivera. This isn't going to take that long because again, there's not that much out there. But again, we're at Rivera in August, which I've never seen Riviera in August on television. The course looks very different. 6,950, 60 yards, a prize fund of $2.0 million. Michael Bradley jumps out to a lead with a major championship record tying 63 Jim Gallagher Jr. in Marco Mira or one back at seven under. One of the founding fathers, Mr. John Adams is at six under par. John Adams. That day, as a golfer, chip back, Ernie L's lead, Janssen, Jeff Magert, Gil Morgan and Greg Norman at five under. I say that because that like sentence right there just

summarizes the 90s pretty much to a tee. Ernie comes back and shoots 65 in round two. Um, Omira shoots 67 to tie the lead at 11 under. This must have been a pretty bad PGA because Rick Riley has a comment a little later on just about it being a total snoozer and the the attendance being really bad. I don't, it doesn't not appear that way. There's two holes of this entire round of golfer on YouTube and it's the final two holes. And so that's, it does not appear that way when, when you look at it on YouTube, but that was noteworthy. It's something from, from Rick Riley. But Justin Leonard is next up at eight under part. Elk and Monty are four back along with Norman Maggard and Brian Clark. And then after round three, it's just a total

coronation for Ernie. He shoots another 66. He's 16 under through three rounds has a three-shot lead over Maggard. Monty is five back in Elkington and Stadler are six back. Marco Mira is three back as well. A reporter asked, considering the way the course is playing and the way you're playing, isn't a three- shot lead insurmountable. He's asked that on Saturday evening, which else wrinkled his nose and replied, have you been around, lady? Oh, yeah, I don't know how well that would get it. Then he handed her a tampon, actually.

Oh, dear. The Los Angeles Times said, welcome to the Ernie L show written in starring none other than Theodore Ernest L's the lowest 54 whole score ever recorded in a major at 197. I learned at this time also from our friends, the Eugene register guard, Dominic Wilkins just signed a contract to play in Greece on this day. Michael Johnson was in the process of doing some things in track. Edgar Martinez was leading the AL batting title. While Mike Piazza and Tony Gwynne were hitting three, three sixty four in the NL. Hideo Nomo had the lowest ERA in the NL and 10 Wakefield in the AL. So I enjoyed scrolling through those papers and seeing, seeing,

seeing random, random names pop up. Yeah. See PGA America, if you're listening, this is what we need to do to fill that PGA time when you're going to have your shit on the thing is we gotta talk about other sports that are going on in the world, which is awesome, but probably you could have this time.

We could be talking if we knew anything about what like Elk and Shot on the front nine and Riviera. The article lays out, listen, if Ernie goes and shoots one under today, somebody's going to have to go ape shit. That includes like Elkton needs to shoot 63 like they list that out in the article. Elkton does go out and birdie four holes on the front nine turns over and birdies 10 11 and 12. And again, there's the again, the only footage we have starts on the 71st

hole where Elkton's in the right rough. Riv looks really different at this time too, really thick rough. Maybe it's just that time of year or the way that course played back in this era, but hacks it out. Mrs. The Green gets up and down though for par and makes a par on the 18th hole shoots a final round 64 and called it the round of his life. Again, there's no footage of any

of this, but Colin Montgomery hits 17 greens on this Sunday. Birdies the 16th, birdies the 17th hits it to 20 feet on the last hole has to make it to get into a playoff and does it. I do I got knew that Monty was in the playoff. I did not know that Monty had the tournament that he had and how this is like by far his biggest heartbreak in a major, I think. I mean, I know we wing foots, I don't want to say by far wing foots pretty bad, but this is a insane heartbreak. That's some stones to birdie that last three.

Yes. To the playoff when you are it is do or die every single swing. So again, the the playoff is actually on YouTube. So I can break this part down, but they're going to go play the 18th hole. Elkington's walking back to the 18th tee. And Ken Venturi like freaks out as in this is one of the greatest chess moves of all time. I love what he's doing here. I love this because Monty was taking a little extra time to finish putting and he's like, otherwise if he'd have taken the cart, he'd be sitting on the 18th tee

just waiting for him, which like I agree with. It was actually probably a smart move time to finish putting and he's like, otherwise if he'd have taken the cart, he'd be sitting on the ATT just waiting for him, which like I agree with. I was actually probably a smart bit not to get there too soon, but it's so funny how in detail they're trying to break this down. But get up there. Elkington stripes it down the left. Monti just ropes a runner down the right side. I would watch like an hour long footage of some of Monti's best shots or best runs at golf because that dude, we don't

for a story that's going to come later, we kind of, he becomes a bit of a punching line, but a punch line, but man, has that guy had some memories. Elkin is caddy, have a long chat, you know, about what club it takes, he takes one last club, goes with A-Dyron, hits it pin high, 25 feet right of the hole. Monti is three inches from the his divot in regulation. That's how close he drove it to his drive in regulation, which he made birdie. Before he hits a shot, he is more concerned with the cameras and other people inside the rope

as he gets into a shot. It's a fricking parody of Monty. He's glaring at them. He does his little hand gesture at them, like everybody stands still and then hits it right up. What you're doing, please? Back up and then hits it right at the back up. Just knock it off. You're bothering me.

It's it right at the flag, but he comes up about 20 feet short. So again, like on Monti's just like snake bitten career path, Elkinton watched Monti's putt from the booth, you know, from the scoring tent when Monty made it to get in the playoff. Alkeleton's got the same exact putt and just pours it in the center of the hall from 25 feet. You know exactly what the read is. Pours it in the middle, goes nuts, Jim Nance the call. Yes, Steve Alkeleton, but Fanchuri comes in quick. One more to play. This is not over with yet. As the cheering still goes, uh, odd for, uh, for Elke,

which is accurate. Like, Monty could have made it, but he misses it low. Uh, again, Elke says on the green, I can't believe it. I just played the round on my life. Uh, again, they remember the Azinger win. How much they rushed the wanna maker. This happens really quickly. They bring the trophy out, cut to, they get a couple quick interview questions and it's gone. That's the end of the telecast. I guess Elkington had enormous, outrageous allergy issues and sinus issues over the years in terms of like it legitimately threatened his career. Along with melanoma, the size of a moon and half golf ball from his shoulder that he had removed in the previous year, which I don't think I knew those details. But again, Riley's post, you know, his

wrap up says, okay, so maybe history will giggle at this one. They'll cough at the crummy attendance, the obscene scoring, which is 464, 263s and lowest scoring average of major history. They sneer at the na ha ha ha greens spiked and brown and dead. The greens did look awful. The spike marks looked awful around the hole. And they'll point out that everyone was treating it more as a qualifier for next month's rider cup at Oak Hill in Rochester, New York, which I just found interesting that that was such a storyline at that point. But Alkington's next door neighbor and longtime mentor and used in 1956 PGH champion Jackie Burke found a flaw in Elke Tens back nine

struggles last month at the British Open where he finished two back despite hitting one approach shot after another at the flagstick. He said he was not releasing the putter. Burke scolded and he went out and had the putting week of his life. This is Monti's fourth playoff loss, second major loss in a playoff in the last two years. He lost the prior years, US open. And again, this is Riley writing up the final putt. Montgomery looked at the putt from all sides and stepped up somewhere in the silence

of the moment way above the green up the 53 steps to the famous clubhouse. A baby was crying. It's Annie, which is Steve Elk, he's his baby is crying. After she stopped out, Montgomery missed the putt inches to the right. Uh, again, just aggressive here. Uh, miss the putt to his right. Let his double chin drop to his sunken chest, shook hands with Alkington, walked to the side of the green where they were already setting up for the victor celebration,

kick the flagstick and turn three shades past his original, ruddy right onto eggplant. I don't think I fully understand all that, but I, that's, it's intense writing there. He said, you could not have done any better. He said to nobody in particular as he climbed those suddenly endless steps, you live your whole life and it depends on one putt

and it was out of my hands. That's a quote and then it says, we're probably can a guy be allergic to majors? Guess how many greens Monti hit out of 72 this week at Riviera. He said he hit 17 on Sunday I'm gonna guess Did he hit 57 58 67 of 72 green

78, 67 of 72 green. That's a riffiera and did not win. I said, unfortunately, I had 17 more putts than Elkington. That's over four around. I'm giving away the eventual winner. That's a lot. That's a hell of a lot. They'd redone the greens. They were the poorest greens that we've ever put it on in a major championship.

I just didn't get to grips with them at all. Normally, I would say, wah, wah, wah, whiny, but it did look pretty rough. Again, I only got to see two holes, but it just did not look very like you. They're talking about the spike marks in front of Elke did three photo that he had to shoot 64 and it was, it looked pretty kind of risky. But. Well, Roy did say the last week, they're trying to get a use open at RIV. Maybe the, the sort of brown, disgustingness of that PGA, haunts it still and that they need to redo it and rip it up pretty much again to finally put that to bed. I feel like this, there should be stronger memories from this one. This seems like a classic.

I mean, I know the scoring's low, but man, there was Ernie being heavily involved. I didn't see one shot of him on YouTube. And then Brad Faxon shot 28 on the front nine Riviera on Sunday on his way to a six final round 63 that put him on the Ryder Cup team. It jumped him from 28th. He had to finish in the top five to make the Ryder Cup team and he went from 28th to fifth with a final round 63. Oh my gosh. There's awesome Rotella book that that that golf is a game of confidence. I think it was and that details a lot of the beastless into that in high school because

it was just like any visualizes the 18 footer and pours it right in the cup and I was like I'm gonna go do that five minutes from now on the course and narrator would tell you that I did not do that but yeah that Alex the first Australian to win the PGA and that's it that's all I got unfortunately we're not short-changing your PGA you have short-changed yourself because I would like to learn more about that. But on this, I will like to play you out. This is an old podcast episode with Steve Elkington. I think this episode, 204, it's not on our Apple feed anymore.

I need to update that. We have memory issues or something with our Apple feed. But I'm gonna play you out with a little story that he tells about communication he had with Monty and a rematch that he has with Monty shortly after. So we indulge him with this story. When I beat him at the PGA in 95, as you could imagine the next day for me was, you know, the next week was a lot of going on, right? But this is well known that I stopped everything and wrote a letter to Monty

and said that, you know, I congratulated him on how good he played at the PGA because basically our stats were the same. And I beat him by one putt to win a major and I know he wanted as much as I wanted mine. I just wanted him to know that I was thinking about him on that day, this day, with I was winning and it could have easily been him.

So I wrote that to him. So we got to put that in the file. Okay. So then we went over to play the World Match Play and he, we both get through two or three rounds. Now I'm gonna play Monti in the Sennies, right? And the press over there. Where was this?

Is it Wentworth? Yeah. It's the biggest stuffiest club. Talk about bunch of fucking racist, those English people over there. They don't even let you in. They wouldn't get in with that facial hair lad. That facial hair's got to go.

You can't be in here like that. They wouldn't even let you in the clubhouse with trainers on. What the fuck's a trainer? Are you talking about tennis shoes? Oh, you can't come in here with those. Okay, whatever. So, we're going to play the semi-final match,

and it's a 36-hole match, and the press is, it's a rematch of Velkinton vs. Monty of the PGA, blah, blah, blah, blah, bullshit, all this bullshit. So, it's 36-holes. One day. One day. So, we go out, and I told my wife, I said, look, this fat son of a bitch is going to be out for me today. I'm going to have to play my ass off to beat him.

And I think I shot about seven under in the morning to be one up on this guy. I mean, this guy can play. He hits it so straight. I mean, it's hard to beat. So we go into this big clubhouse and we're the players only, and they've got this huge buffet down the middle of the club, and Bonnese over there, this huge table looking out over the gardens and all the observatory, and he's got about four or five royal palace people there,

and the captain from Mirafield. And the captain from Mirafield. And the captain from Mirafield was there. Is it Drostion here to you? Anyway, so out in the middle of the buffet is this custard castle. The clubhouse at, at, at, wait, waitworth is a castle. It's a fucking castle It's got all those little you know squares at the top, you know and It's custard. It's fucking magnificent. It's it's it's unreal

So anyway, I'm sitting over there having like a cheese sandwich because I can't I can't eat when I'm playing I can't eat much can you? I don't know why, don't answer that. You've never played a 36-Hole match with the rock. You're the last guy in the rock. You're the last guy in the rock. Yeah. So anyway, so we're gonna go back out in like 30 minutes. So Monti gets up, he goes over to the table.

He's already had lunch, by the way. Grabs it in a plate, goes over to this custard castle with his big fork. And he, if I can take out the whole ladies locker room. He takes out the pro shop, the fucking upper deck on the back observatory, and puts it all on the display. I couldn't fucking, I couldn't believe that he's just done. I said he's going to feed the whole table.

He's going to take 12 spoons over there and put this out in the middle. They just destroyed it. Nope, nope. He sat at the end of the table and he fucking ate it all. I turned him my wife and I said, honey, there's not a man alive that can eat that much custard that can beat me.

That's how the afternoon goes. Oh, I rolled him like five and four. That's what I'm saying. He couldn't go when you have to. That's one of my all-time favorite stories. It's a remarkable, he's a, I don't know how much of it's true. I don't even care. He's just a credible storyteller.

And it's one of my all-time favorite stories. He couldn't tell because he's kind of gotten himself as a shit over the years, and like, some shit he said. But like, I love that story because he just sets it up so well. Like, it just builds the tension of like, no, no, I mean, I eat the whole thing. I wrote a five and four. There is a part of that story, too, where he said, I don't forget if this was in the audio, I just played him. He said, I, you know, when that went down, it's like, I wrote to Monty

after that happened and said, like, hey, you know, I know you wanted it as much as I did, but I just got you by one shot. Or something like I was thinking of you on this day. Like this was a big moment. I so put that in the file is what I think he said. It just remembered that part. But a couple of ball strikers, ball strikers, right there, Monty and Elk, for sure.

Amen. So, man, that's all I got for 1995. And we usually do multiple years and it takes forever, but somehow we made 95 last also forever. So I think we made, we made it add more structure to these in the future so we don't get carried away with our length. But thank you for the time and efforts

that go into documenting another major championship year. It's not 95 was way more exciting than I thought. Sorry that you were in fourth grade and didn't get to enjoy it as much as I did. But I mean, these are super fun. We're going to keep doing these. Hopefully by the time we get into, you know, the 2000s, the PGA will have their shift together. And they'll actually have PGA, will we able to see, you know, Tiger and Bob May's whole

round at Bahala, but you never know. We might just have to recreate it with stick figures and drawings, like Bacon used to do for those master's rounds that weren't on the air. I love it. Well, thanks everyone for tuning into these, and we'll be back with more frequently now

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