No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 676: Mexico Open Recap

Episode Date: May 1, 2023

Tony Finau wins the Mexico Open at Vidanta outlasting Jon Rahm to win on the PGA Tour for a sixth time. Soly, DJ and Neil fire up the pod to relitigate Big Tone's career in light of the strength of field this week - plus some discussion of Akshay Bhatia's appearance in the final group on Sunday as well. We also talk Hannah Green's win at the LPGA LA Championship at Wilshire, Taylor Gooch's second consecutive LIV win, our midweek interview with Keith Pelley, possible Ryder Cup captain's pick candidates, and more.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Well, well, well, well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Lang Up Podcast, Sully here, Niel is here, hello Mr. Riccarrito. Ola, K-Tall. See, we'll be in.

DJ Pies here to answer questions yet again. Of course, Big Randy is not here to answer questions, but he's here to stand trial for the sixth time, I believe, Mr. DJ Pius. Hey, buddy. Hey, guys. Happy to be with you. What a great weekend. Had a great weekend, ready to talk about it.

Let's do it. A lot of golf going on around the world, a lot to talk about. Not the most, maybe not most serious golf week I've ever experienced, you know with the the Mexico Championship Presented by V dot that or at V dot that excuse me TC's got a lot to kind of marry here between you know, he wants to shit on Tony's win But it is a national open so I do have to I might have to walk across the hall here and ask about that But I'll I'll click comment for them from them here shortly. The set of course brought to you by our friends at Title

List, the number one ball in golf. And of course, the choice of Mexico Open Champ. Tony Fina, who plays the Proving One, left dot. You know, the Titleist guys, they send it over, you know, some copy and it's kind of like they do it in advance. Like if Tony wins, here's what we're going to do. If Tony doesn't, here's what we're going to do. Don't need to do that. When Tony's up near lead anymore. Don't need to do it in advance, like if Tony wins, here's what we're going to do. If Tony doesn't, here's what we're going to do. Don't need to do that.

When Tony's up near lead anymore, don't need to do it in an if situation. He's going to hunt him down. He's going to win. We've learned that. We know that now. We're not talking about anything else than wedges this week, though. I knew you were, of course, going to roll out the video, the very thirsty video that you did of, hey, Tony, can you please talk shit to my friends?

I knew you were gonna do that. I noticed you didn't do it until he was pretty safe, safely through 17. That's all I'm gonna say. I think that speaks. Let me get to the end. I think that speaks. Volume.

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Yeah, I got to say, you got to, you know, at the end of a day like this, you got to tip your cap. Finaw definitely beat the best in the world and 150 one other guys, right? There was, he did beat the best player in the world. You got to give him that. And I'm a little torn, right? I mean, I'm going to start with some growth. I'm going to start with some optimism. Finaw looked fucking great today. Like, he just looked awesome. He played a really, really, really, really solid,

nice round of golf. Did all the things right. He put it great all week. Today was boring because he made it boring and he slammed the door in the way that we always hope that he would. So I'll eat all the crow you want. I'm happy to, happy to a tone for, for, you know,

some, some previous takes, you know, I'm happy for everybody to have their big moment that like, oh, you know, there were a lot of people in the past that he might have had some trouble winning these things, you know, sure, happy to be that guy. If that makes everybody feel better and everybody wants to, you know, just ring around the rosy on this glorified corn tour, if corn, corn fair tour event, that's great.

Have a good time. Fina played awesome. And, you know, I think we're, let's just start there. Let's start there. Neil, what do you got to add? Well, congrats to Big Tone. You know, I bet that let's get it pods going to be firing this week. Can't wait to tune in. I know. I like Tony. I get it pods going to be firing this week. Can't wait to tune in.

I know. I like Tony. I've, I got no dog in this fight. I've kind of stayed in, in kind of a Swiss mindset on the, on the Tony stuff. I would like to recommend maybe a couple of nicknames for them, though. Maybe the, the, the mule skinner, the mule driver, the, you know, maybe one Valdez, uh, because what is this six wins? And I think they're all just, it just mule fest out there. No. And not all he won the Northern Trust. It was a playoff event. All of those. I almost was good. That's a limited field event. So, you know, that might be, no, it was a hundred 25 close to close loop system. But, but the, a lot of his wins are, are, you know, that might be close loop system. But a lot of his wins are, are, you know, this was Mule Fest 2023 other than ROM. So that's what I'll say. I also, I hit my

pick. I had a top five parlay with ROM and Fina, which was like the most obvious thing in the world. And so, yeah, I'm thrilled tonight. But you know, Tony is he is one Valdez. He's just he just beats up on the mules. God, the view skaters, what are the greatest names I've ever heard? You know, Neil, I'm kind of with you on the it was very clear when we're feeling out like our drafting stuff. It's just like, Oh, it's going to be these two. It's just kind of where I'm like, yeah, it almost, you know, saw, it kind of felt like just maybe like the match six out

there. Like, it wasn't a PJ tour of it. Like, yeah, if you want it, awesome, man, win number six. Go ahead. If that feels, if that feels good to you to take credit for that one, go for it, man. You got me. That's about what I expected. I mean, that's about, you know, kind of compliment, you know, kind of complement, you know, I think you started that with, you know, you were gonna be praising Tony and then ended it

with about 18 different ways. You know, I'm talking to DJ now, right? Mule driver, I think, has some staying power. I'm good with that. This was a field of mules. I personally, as someone that's written very, very, very, very, very hard for Mr. Fienel. You know, I thought this would feel better. I think I said this the last time.

It's kind of, you know, Rinssen repeat. He's one four times and 18 starts now. It kind of got the same script. We got to follow every time. But, you know, it's first, he doesn't win enough. He doesn't win enough. And now that he wins, you know, it's the fields aren't good enough. All this good stuff. It's pretty automated. It's pretty AI-generated responses that I think I can expect to get from you guys now. So. Well, you've been singing the praise of the AI generated stuff. So, so it's accurate.

I would just say it's pattern recognition. I don't trust her. Great win. He tried to, you tried to choke that one away. That wasn't a resounding win. But I would say these other events, they are second tier events. I mean, he's, you know, he's out on the high planes of Utah, just driving mules, you know, doing his job. I credit to him, but like the events have a similarity to him is what I'm getting at.

So I know you're, I know you're a big data golf guy, you know, so I want to meet you where you're at. And of course, data golf does their own strength of field. And they basically look at the composite of the field. And they say, you know, kind of on average, this field is X number of strokes better or worse than the average PJ tour field. That Northern Trust victory doing a lot of heavy lifting, which I'll allow you to keep doing. That's great. You know, it was a great win in 2021 there. That was awesome.

Every other one of them has been dramatically like below average PJ Tour events. And if you'd like to get this, I think this week was almost a full stroke below an average PJ Tour event, that's tough. I'm not gonna defend that, or I'm not gonna argue against that, right? That's just fact, that's straight up fact.

He's winning the lesser tier events. However, if sure to win the not better to win the correct credit I mean ship money that's that that is a step in the right direction, but I'd like to see a little more something a little bit more premiere This is what you were asking of of this guy was to go out and win golf tournaments He's doing that now are they not to the when he does win the big ones, even the Northern Trust, you're trying to discount it anyway. So we know what's gonna happen. He's gonna win a designated event, and you're gonna say, I hope I win most far,

but then it's gonna be like, well, ramen chefler weren't there, or like, you know, we'll live down there. I'm gonna get all of it. I don't even have a dog in this fight. I would, I would, I'm not talking to you anymore.

I'm talking to you. I feel like I'm an unbiased, bystander. Like, I haven't been in the stomach TC now. The fiend house. You guys keep dragging me into this thing. I don't know on side here, except I'm just gonna dog on fiend now the whole time.

Well, we know that's not true for five minutes. If I may say it. For me, it's pretty much, I've kept my distance. I'm just looking at this objectively. It's like these are, you know, pretty, no, these are, these events are at sea level. There's no elevation. And I will say also, which is where I tried to start here.

So you're baiting me into saying many, many negative things, which is unfortunate. But I think that it was, like today was, it was different, right? It was a lot of what we saw last summer too. It was like the foot was on the gas and there was absolutely no wobbling today. And that was toe to toe with John Rom, which is not nothing. And that was really, really cool to watch because I think I don't know how

you guys felt going into the day, but I was like, Oh, Rom is going to just, it's going to be the most dangerous game out there. Like Rom is going to absolutely just put the camo on, hunt them down and probably win by three. And he just didn't let him get any oxygen. He just, you know, it never really even got close. And so massive credit to Big Tony there. He drove the ball great. He putted it great. He's putting like, he's putting awesome this year. I mean, that's, that's a, a thing to watch. That is a market difference. How much his putting has improved.

But it's, I mean, the hardest I rode for him was more so to three years ago. And when he was about a stroke and a half above average player, now he's over to like he has made a almost full shot leap since the hardest of riding. And it's from approach play. He has turned into, in over the last six months, there's no one in the world with a better strokeskin approach. He's been the best approach player. He is just stuffing the stat sheet hitting green after green after green, giving himself really good birdie opportunities and converting more birdie opportunities.

Finau has made a leap and it's been sustained for a long period of time. That time period I'm citing for the Iron Play does not include the summer events that he won last year. If you go back even farther, I'm sure the numbers are even better. I mean, it's been, he's probably, what does he off the top of my head, I'm doing this, the fourth best American behind Sheffler, Zander at Cantlay probably. I mean, if you're looking at just straight stat stuffing,

I struggle to come up with a name, Speed has been really, really good over the last three months, but if we're looking back over a longer time period, we're gonna talk some Ryder Cup stuff later, and we can dive into that a three months, but if we're looking back over a longer time period, we're gonna talk some Ryder Cup stuff later, and we can dive into that a little bit, but it's been a sizable leap, and it's a different conversation now

than we were having three years ago. Will you address that, Deach? Yeah, I think that's totally right. And honestly, if I'm being totally honest, the only thing that's even keeping this bit going is the fact that it keeps winning shitty events. That's amazing. And I'll lead into that. Like that's the only thing that's making this even fun at all because it's not.

Listen, the full swing episode was was great with him. I love seeing his family out there. Every time he's out there doing like, you know, some hip hop tick-tock dance, like I've always, I'm like, oh, this guy kind of rules. Like I'm on way weighing on big tone. And the only thing that has given this dumb bit any life is the fact that he keeps, you know, just getting the mules out there,

Neil, to borrow a phrase. And so I would love for that to go away. I hope he gets a big ass win this summer, but not, you know, it doesn't go on, it shouldn't go on said that like he doesn't really have a lot of those. So to be that guy that you're talking about, it's like, okay, let's be a little fair here. We are still missing those.

Let's see it, man. Come on. Let's get across the finish line in some big dick events. That would make me very happy, sincerely. I think that's right there is a mission that we've moved very far along from. He won't win. Like, he just won't win. That's what you used to be.

That's what you've paid that debt. We've moved past that and I appreciate that. I will say, I will say, also, just absolutely stunting on the full swing episode because he has proven, in fact, he can win with his family there. That is where, you know, every bent one's been talking about in golf for so long. But, I was at the coffee shop this morning. There's a lot of people, you know, do you think big tone could get it done?

I don't know, his family's on site and there was a lot, there was a lot of people talking about that. And I was like, ah, guys, you got to give them the benefit of the doubt. He's been in this position a couple of times. You know, let's just see how it goes. I wonder if they got brought into any time share sales pitches. Tell us the Dante. I also got how much airtime was Benjamin Salinas getting?

Like they kind of up their game on, like getting out in front of, not making it about group of Salinas, making it about father and son and all the big things they're doing with the Mexican open. I have to correct you here, Neil, just for the record, say Ben Hameen Salinas. All right, put some respect on his name.

Ben Hameen, yeah, Ben Hamine, Selenis, all right, put some respect on his name. Ben Hamine, that's exactly right. May a culpa to do the Selenis clan. I think if we're being honest with the biggest winner this week at the Mexico Championship, Evidanta, is John Robb, because he finished second place. He set the single season money record on the PGA tour before May hit, but now he doesn't have to come back and defend. He had the best possible week without having to come back and be and defend the title next year to be a new schedule next year. I don't know where it's gonna go to fit, but still very confused as to why he's playing this week and not most part go this coming

week, which is a $20 million purse, but ROM has he's out. He's off the hook and no longer has to be the defending champion. It's a great point. It's a great point. God, how many of these phenog going to win by next year? It's, it's going to be crazy. These would be the only one there. I mean, it seemed like ROM was pretty frustrated with, you know, he shoots what 61 on Saturday, just kind of races up the leaderboard. And then some, I don't know, you had a few approaches where he came up short. I think he was, he was struggling with the wind. And I was, you know, he could tell he was running a little

hot, kind of like old school rom out there, just didn't, didn't quite have the game today. And still shot what, like 67, like, you know, true, true booey shit from him. It was which if that speak I just don't have enough info I don't think on this golf course But like does that speak to him or does that speak to the golf course? It didn't seem like there were a ton of bogeys out there for for those guys Coming in but also I you know I'm with you Neil like Ram still played very very steady golf just didn't didn't get any puts Puts to drop today.

He, yeah, this was like the definitive like booey performance. So just like, yeah, I don't really know what it's gonna, I don't know if he's gonna win, but I can almost guarantee you he's gonna make some freakish run from way back in the pack. It's like he's not only is he a booey and a butcher, but he's also just like a thoroughbred horse that he's like, oh, he's in six place now.

Like we know he's gonna make a major run at some point. I don't know if he's gonna win, but he's gonna start cat a thoroughbred horse that he's like, oh, he's in six place now. We know he's going to make a major run at some point. I don't know if he's going to win, but he's going to start catapulting past some of these mules. And we're going to take this thing deep. The mule thing's going to go so much. We have a podcast coming out on Tuesday with Johnson Wagner that we've already recorded. And he, the amount of times he referred to himself as a mule

is inspiring. It is awesome. Like this is a very, very real thing that is now the ecosystem. But dude, yeah, watching Ram just go out and run and like watching when he is gonna like make 15 footers is just really freaking fun. He was minus 150 I think for a top five this week

and of course did it. Like there was almost, he was better than even odds that he was going to finish the top five and beat 150 dudes. My, my, the only real issue I have, it's started to notice it the last few weeks is, ROM and Travis Matthew, they need to get him some new shirts. He's got like a rotation. I feel like he's taking the same shirts on the road now

every week, just from a fast, he's got the red one. He's got like the floral, like the gray one, and then he's got like a navy, like floral patterned one. And I'd like to see them expand the wardrobe. I think that's John. I think that's John, that's a decision. He's got his Sunday, he wears that same one on Sundays.

And I think that's on him. I think he's the, you're in charge of what you pick it out on your shirt. It's come on. Sure. So I would, I'm just, I would like John to wear some different shirts though. I'm, you know, he's, he's, maybe it's because he's in, he's always on the coverage that I notice this,

but it's like, I feel like he's wearing the same three, like specific shirts every time he plays. He's good. I'm gonna text from him to Mars. Wasn't he, I'll talk it about here with my shirts. Come on, man. I'm just, I'm just noticed it, you know, it's, if that, going to text for him tomorrow. I was like, wasn't he talking about here with my shirts? Come on, man. I'm just noticed it.

You know, if that, if he's, I mean, I guess it, maybe he's limiting his decision-making. It's like when Presence talk about like, I wear the same, you know, I, Steve Jobs. I was school uniform growing up. I kind of liked it because I didn't have to think about what to put on in the morning. So maybe there's some, maybe there's a reason for it. Plus, he's probably got that white butcher coat on most of the time that keeps him clean. Got it. So I didn't know if you were going to defend.

I brought some materials in case you wanted to defend this tournament for some reason. I was going to have you guessed. I was, all right, I got, I got 10 players here. And I want you to tell me if they were in the PJ Tour field this week or the Corn Fairy Tour field this week. Oh, okay. I'll do all of this. Come on. Okay. Let's nail you're welcome to chime in as well. Sure. Let's start with an easy one. It's succession night. Everybody knows this. Let's start

with Kevin Roy. Oh, PJ tour. That's correct. You nail it. Okay. I thought that was definitely wrong. I've never heard. I thought I could get you. I thought I could bait you on that one. Let's go down the list. Let's go. A fellow Puerto Rico open winner, I believe, from back in the day. George McNeil. He was cord fairy toy this week. No, he was on the PGA tour. He's one of the guys.

Big tone beat the hell out of this week. Congratulations to him. Oh, man. Another, I think actually, I'm not doing this on purpose, but another another playoff winner here, just like big tone. Heath Slougham. He was PGA tour this week. No, cord fairy tour. He was. Let's go with this is a friend of, you know, friend of Randy's. I think you stay with Fr with Francois this week. Ricky Barnes. Oh, he was PGA tour this week.

He was out there. He was out the PGA tour this week. Ben Silverman. Oh, he was PGA. No, he was a corn fairy tour this week. He was on the corn fairy tour. He was in a playoff on the corn fairy tour. Honestly, I don't know if he won or lost.

Sean Ogginstein. Corn fairy. Corn fairy, you got it. Greg Chalmers. Hell of a putter. Cornfairy. No, he was on the PJ tour this week. Let's do one more.

DJ Trayhan. PJ tour. He was in the PJ tour field as well. Yes. I did pretty good with that. You actually did pretty good. You actually did pretty good. I was trying to get my answers off of what I thought you were looking at. If you were scrolling the leaderboard, I know.

Of the Cornferry or the PGA Tour. I put about one list close in my no-pads. He wouldn't see my eyes going around. You led me astray. That was a really fun game. Listen, I don't think the take here is that we have to put the D-Ridering aside for a little bit for this week, right? The take here is that this is an elite event and that, yeah, what are your thoughts on this event?

This is the second year of it. Weird spot in the calendar always feels like a weird kind of time to decompress for us and we do a lot of filming and do a lot of other stuff this part of the year and I feel pretty good about that having seen a fair amount of it this week. Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I think it makes sense for the PJ Tour to try to do an event in Mexico, and I appreciate that they're doing that. I just, and I also appreciate that it,

we're not pretending like it's a big event. And I appreciate that the PJ Tour event is a national open. So it elevates that for Mexico, which is cool, but you know, we need some breaks in the calendar. And this is a good time for it. Now, I, you know, I don't really get that into the Wells Fargo next week either. So it's kind of until a PGH, you know, championship, I'm not, I'm not going to walk into hard. But I think it was, the event was, was fine. Personally, it was very difficult for me to switch over from the Warriors game to watch

the golf. It was like kind of a chore, but, hey, that's okay. And the event, there wasn't a lot of juice today because Ron wasn't making, you know, nobody was tracking tone down. So it was just boring. I agree with all that. I think that it's great. We're not pretending like all of these are the same.

I think that actually took a lot of the pressure off of like pretending like this was a big thing because I was texting you guys this morning. I'm like, oh man, like, ROM and Fino and Oxe and the final group like that's actually sick. Like I'm excited to watch this. Yeah, that's what, like, truly, and I'm not even giving like the tour credit for this. Like they keep like getting these W's. They keep getting these wins of like even this event with, I don't know if this was technically the worst field of the year,

but of the full field non-office at field events, it felt like it. It felt like the least excited I was for a championship to watch and sure enough they get Finao and Rom and Akshay in the final group. I was like, that is literally probably what I would pick. We haven't talked Akshay yet, but that is as interesting as it's gonna get

this 21 year old, wiry dude trying to run down to a female and Rom is some serious pre-mode content. Totally. And it seems like a good energy on site. You know, I think all of us are very pro, having event in Mexico. Like it always seems like people turn out to support it and the players who are there seem to dig it. If you have a business they can somehow support making that an $8 million network television

event like hell yeah, someone's doing something right. Neil do I think it's going to take a big rating share from the NBA playoffs, probably not. I don't, but you know, it's part of the tapestry. It's a Tuesday night baseball game kind of a vibe, right? it's part of the tapestry. It's a, it's a Tuesday night baseball game, kind of a, kind of a vibe, right? It's, it's part of the schedule. It's, you know, something to fill out the stats and, you know, we're on to, we're on to Charlotte, which I think is, is actually kind of an interesting, it's kind of an interesting, like flip side to that coin too, right? Whereas like, Quail Hollow has always been an event that I don't really care about week, you know, year to

year. I mean, obviously the years that max one that the Wells Fargo event, it's been pretty easy to lock in. But outside of that, it's never one that I'm really like circling. However, with the designated, you know, field now, it's like, ah, that might totally shift my perception. So I'm actually kind of looking forward to seeing what this week's all about too, just from that perspective. I think it will be a serious bummer

to have no ramen, Shephler, this week, though. I mean, I almost kind of would prefer it if they're gonna, for their one skip, if they are together, skipping it together, because I do want to get as many opportunities for a duel between the two of them in the remaining part of the year as we could possibly get.

The two dudes that have lifted and separated the most. So it feels like the biggest, I don't know who knows what happens next week, but it feels like the biggest dud so far of the designated events, or I don't know, maybe you could say century, just with missing Rory and it not being that full field and all that stuff. But yeah, it's hard to get hyped.

Century stands on its own, you know, where this week is like, kind of if Rory goes out and runs away and does something crazy, or if Max goes and plays great, like, you know, that'll be amazing, but if it's kind of a can't lay slog to victory, like that probably won't have a ton of juice.

No offense to anyone. Neil, I think this one's gonna be one of your, one of your, one of my highlight transitions here. Before we get to our next topic here, remember one of one of one of the very first memories we have of of Akshay Bhatia. What's an incident that happened in his junior golf career that was kind of funny looking back at it, but made a little bit of of wavelengths. Do you guys remember this? Remember when we were playing an event, he gunned a chip from like 30 yards. He got a penalty for it.

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Brain and we're going to we're going to zoom past. We're not going to do a full down the leaderboard with this. Brain and Woob finished solo third, but auction shoots 68, 65, 63 on Saturday to get into that final group. Helled his own, final round 70, I'm sure he's quite disappointed with that for a solo fourth finish on the PGA tour and hanging with outpacing almost all of the mules and just finishing behind a couple big guns Is since seriously seriously impressive. I've written pretty hard for this dude, but 21 he's born in 2002

If you thought maybe he was older now because he's been around professional golf for four years or so now He's he's still 21 years old and is carving out. He's got already got special temporary membership on the PGA tour and is carving out. He's got already got special temporary membership on the PGA tour. A win would help get him into the playoffs. He still is not eligible for the playoffs this year, but is locked up status for next year and his path to professional golf has been pretty much stamped with approval at this point. Like the methodology worked and he is going to be a PGA tour player. Which is crazy man. I truly can't imagine the guts and kind of like just being a hair unhinged that it takes to go down that road, right? And just be like, no, I know everybody else goes to

college and hones their craft and then it's still like the hardest profession in the world to break into. But I think I'm just going to skip that. And I'm ready now. I'm just going to go for it. And to just, I mean, I think he's had, he's had a lot of success at different levels. He's gotten his head kicked in a lot of different levels. He's played Monday qualifiers. He's driven all over the place. He's like, he's, he's truly shown up and, and, you know, tried to make it happen everywhere that would kind of let him play. So for him to make it to the PJ tour, this fast is really mind blowing, man. And it's, if you want to give like a charitable kind of reading to why the opposite field events matter and why some of these, you know, less interesting events are still important. I mean, that's kind of the way he paved his way

to special temporary membership, right? Was he second in Puerto Rico, I think, was probably the big points earner. And for that reason, those events are great, and they allow stories like this to kind of make their way to the PJ tour, but they're still few and far between. The auctiones don't come around very often. But it's all I wanted to ask you. So I think the rap on him has basically just been

like putting horrendously this year, So all I wanted to ask you, you know, so I think the wrap on him is basically just been like putting horrendously this year switches to Aimpoint this week and makes every single putty looks at, will you apologize for that? The take isn't that Aimpoint, how I hurt you, that's not the point here. People are just asking if you'll apologize. I will not apologize for that. I will say I think that might help explain why Aimpoint is kind of bullshit

and probably shouldn't be happy. You should be able to step in your line and it helps, it is helping less skilled putters like get better at putting very quickly. And I don't think it's, you know, people send me stuff all the time about how it makes it faster. I don't think it does. It certainly doesn people send me stuff all the time about how it makes it faster. I don't think it does.

It certainly doesn't want to appear to from what I've seen. So don't try to, I see what you're trying to do here, trying to muddy the waters, you're trying to blow up my mentions that is not the aim point take here. Do you, will you apologize for that take? Yeah, I'll apologize. Thank you. The only thing that I have to add with Aakshay is

I love watching him hit the golf ball. I think his swing is awesome. It's just really, it's like, it's very engaging to watch him hit it. And I think there's kind of a lack of, like lefties are always interesting to watch, you know, because it's different. And I think he, it's that he looks different. He's all wiery. You're like, God, how skinny is this guy? There's just a lot to Akshay that makes him very

almost mesmerizing and stand out. And so I'm rooting for him because I think that's good for golf. And I want him to succeed. And I want there to be kind of like a, you know, I don't know if the word's weird, but kind of like, yeah, there's this weird lefty. He's doing big things, man.

He's, see what happens when he grows into that frame he's gotten. It's just like, it's a different swing. He's got a different look and I'm happy that he's trying to break out here this year. And I don't think he's like a great prospect. I don't think we're looking at a future writer, Cuppar. I think it's just you can carve out a really successful pro golf career You know, I don't think we're like looking at the next superstar next great like American player That's not what I what I'm kind of saying about actually. I just think like

He had a lot of guts to to do what he did and to say like I can make it on the PGA tour and to do it at this young of an age And if he can play 10 12 15 years on the PGA tour that to do it at this young of an age. And if you can play 10, 12, 15 years on the PGA tour, that'd be wildly successful. And I think he's more of, I don't know, could he be like, could he be like the 40th ranked player in the world? I think he probably could, but I don't, I don't think we're destined for someone. It's like a top 10 player in the world. What do you, I don't know if you guys feel any differently? I feel like his ball striking is really good.

I mean, he just seems to flush it when he, when it's going well. Like his iron play seems really good. I don, he just seems to flush it when it's going well. Like his iron play seems really good. I don't know if the stats back that up, but I'm like, man, like his swing looks good on camera. Like when they do it in slow-mo and stuff, another kind of a tangent question though. Does he, like, who's the best lefty in the world right now? Like, do I do my answer? Like, you want to make my answer?

Like, is it Phil? Is it Phil? I mean, is it Brian Harmon? Like, who am I missing from that list? Like, who else is up there? Yeah. I mean, it's probably technically Brian Harmon, if you looked at it, but like, Phil's been playing some like pretty legitimate golf

for the last month and a half. I mean, you know, it's not Bubba. That's not nothing. But like, it's not, I don't know. It's something about like having a lefty in the mix is always like, it's interesting. And I think, so the question is like, he probably has the potential to be one of the top lefties.

Like when you start thinking about like, there's not a ton of competition. So then that right there almost made, like there's something that like that will it'll increase his cash a little bit if that makes sense. Like I know what you're saying saw like like maybe his ceilings not as high as you know like we want it to be or whatever but like he could still end up in the best lefty playing at some point which is interesting. Yeah he, he's cleaning up on the mule tour. You know, his good finishes have been, you know, he missed the cut pretty badly at RBC.

But it's also, again, he's young. There's a lot to come from him, but I still always fall back on man-jeweled speed, one, two majors, when he was 21 years old. Every time we talk about a 21-year-old or talk about an amateur that's older than speed, I'm just like, dude, that was so freaking wild to do that in this era. Yeah, to just different anything else from Vandanta.

There was a B incident earlier in the week on Sure, Everett. Yeah, I saw that. I was so stupid in my office. And all of a sudden Eric Van Roeyen's just like hits the deck and then like the whole group hits the deck and the camera guys and like, I hate to say this, but like, I thought it was kind of like, maybe like a cartel, such like a, yo, somebody like-

You could tell the announcers were kind of in the same- Yeah, I'm allergic to bees. Me too. And Vamora, it's like, get down. Everybody get down. Get me. I'm ripping my flesh off. Killer bees. Uh, that was, that was a wild, wild, uh, visual to see. Just the whole, the whole group. A chez was in the group. I was worried about my beautiful boy Chez.

Uh, can't have him getting stung. So it seemed like everybody got away without, without any stings though. Without incident. I wanted to note to Eric Cole top 5 T5 this week. He's that dude's carving out a season on the PJ tour. I don't know what the live FedEx he that he's at is in the top 50 I think in that after the runner-up at the Honda Classic too but kind of just going to show at least you know that I know the structure is going to change in these next year with the FedEx Cup points and things like that, but even without cleaning up and designated events to still be having an extremely productive year and on his way to playing his way potentially into the all the designated events for next year with

the top 50 FedEx Cup finish. There's a lot to monitor, a lot to look at on that list. We're not early in the season. He's also kind of on that Scott Stallings contender, Mr. Cut grind right now. Yeah. Like he's Mr. Tonic cuts, but he also like, you know, it's kind of playing modern PJ tour golf. Like man, just get it on the weeks here.

Whatever it is that's lacking when you do it well, you're going to cash in and that's kind of what you need to do. He is, he is 45th now on the FedEx Cup for this year. So things are kind of starting to take shape. Like if you look at who's outside the top 50 right now, it's like Brendan Todd, Ben Griffin, Sep Strocka, Keith Mitchell outside the top 50s, a bit surprising. He's played some solid golf this year, I think.

Sam Stevens, Matthew Niesmith, there's not the, you know, JT is outside of top 70, but he's going to be exempt through OWGR. But that's one that, as of right now, JT would not be in the playoffs next year in that top 70. It's just kind of wild. He's got to start playing some golf. Yeah. Anything else from Mechiko? You know, just totally random and wild, but did you guys see the note that Finau, Rahm and Akshay played a practice round together? I didn't know.

No way. Yeah, along with Wes Bryant, who missed the cut. But still, I was going to say, I don't know, that's a pretty shocking thing. That's just a, yeah, I don't really have everything else to add, just from a while, that's wild, man. It's making for a while. Yeah, that's wild. That's how the majority of this tournament has felt for me. I don't know if I have a lot more to add just from a while. That's wild, man. It's making for a while. Yeah. That's why that's something

majority of this tournament has felt for me. I don't have a lot more to add here, but man, that's something. It's actually interesting. How about that? No, where should we go next? Yeah, LPGA. LPGA tour at Wilshire. I don't know. I don't know. This probably isn't where we need to start. But Hannah Green won the one the tournament in a playoff, which was freaking awesome.

But we don't need to go directly here, but man, was this a change of pace from like, last week to have like the golf course go from, you know, from allegedly a major at the Chevron at Carlton Woods in Houston to like, Wilshire was like, that's like a major championship venue that they play on every single year. And I just, this event is stands out on the LPGA Torque schedule of an incredible golf course. A membership that seems to really, I'm truly trying to, if you can't tell I'm here in LA, and I'm really trying to butter myself up to all of the Los Angeles country clubs right now. But like the fans are out there, they support it, like they, you know, they give up their golf course

for an LPGA event, which is not a small lift at all and go out and support and cheer, and they get to share that awesome golf course with Television viewers and that event is just really really really working on the LPJ tour calendar How about Hort horses for courses Hannah Green was runner up here last year third place the year before that and then Winds this year at Wilshire. I wish I had seen that when we made our draft Kings picks. But it's definitely a pile that went away for next year. Striking course on TV. Really, really good bunkering. And I liked the par three finish that led to some great drama at the end with the playoff.

And honestly, 18, everybody burying to get into a playoff after we had a tough situation when some decided not to lay up and got rubber the green as bad as we've seen this year. Explain that for those that may have missed this. Well, it looked like Cheyenne Knight had a handle on things. He hadn't, you know, kind of mid back nine and she went for it. I was at 15. I think she was on 15 and she went for it, was that 15? I think she was on 15, and she hit three wood or some type of fairway metal, and she was not gonna carry the penalty area, but it hit a rock in the penalty area, and it bounced over like a big fence out of bounce.

So it bounced out of the penalty area, and then she just had to reload from you know like 250 out And so then she laid up and then she made you know, she made triple Or I guess you made she make double. I think she made double But she had two shot lead at the time and then that quickly went away Talk about a true hazard and they're they're hitter with all kinds of unlucky god This is so unlucky. this is so unlucky. So I thought big tone was out there trying to close that thing out.

You're not sorry. See, this is supposed to be your sentencing. And if I was the judge, I would issue, I would up your jail sentence for this. You're not sorry. This is fake remorse. Everything is all fake. But yeah, 18th holes of Part 3. I'll tell you what really made that whole work for me,

Neil was balls bounding on that green. Like there was an element of trying to bring it in from the right side and have balls kicked down. Like that fine line of landing it on the green and risk going in those bunkers and getting it close and the shape of that 18th green and all the different pins they can put on that. Like that's golf to me.

And it's... Or just like, I love that. It was behind the green, like 12 feet down in that gully. It's like the minute the ball goes down there, oh my God, that's so boned. Like as a viewer, that's good stuff. You know, like, oh, no, that's not gonna work. No way.

I think that's good architecture. I like watching golf on courses like that. Well, I'm trying to think of other major tournaments or big tournaments at the highest level that have a par three finishing hole. I went to East Lake. I know they flipped the nine since then, but East Lake for a long time finished on

what is now the ninth hole, a long par three. And that kind of felt like a dud. It never really worked. I don't know if maybe hole, a long part three. And that kind of felt like a dud. It never really worked. I don't know if maybe just like a short part three with consequence like this one. I mean, I would think what 80% of people would probably agree. Like the best holes in golf are probably like short part threes. Like they, you know, really well designed short part threes

are like the highlight and have a really well designed short part three as a finishing hole with grandstands and an environment like that works really, really well on professional golf, especially for a playoff, like a three-way playoff and watching them all three hit great chances of D-D Aschuk and Z-Lin with the other two players in the playoff who both, also both Bernie to 18

to get into the playoff, it was just a, it was a premier, premier event and stood out to me a lot more than last week's alleged major did. I guess it has to be imposed another one that comes to mind when they play the college tournament there. That has a par three finisher. And as you know playing a course like that, I always like that shot on 18 at past T-Empos. Like, yeah, man, what if I make a hole in one here? You know, like it's just an amateur golfer like out for a round. It's like it's a,

I'm surprised there aren't more holes that finish that way. I think to your point too, so I like that that whole sits on like such a dividing line too, because like you could see it where she, you Lynn hit her shot a couple of different times, was like, man, if that comes up two feet shorter, it's like maybe plugging in the face of that bunker. And if you, if you do cover that bunker, it's kicking down maybe to have a two foot like kick in for birdie and it's just that dividing line and Karen Stupples was great about that too talking about the different shot shapes and house, you know, if you could hit like a flat cut in there It's so much easier than a lot of these players who kind of hit these like turnover draws that almost have to take it off that right bank and have to mess with that That right kicker and have to take on that bunker. It's just so much more engaging. I was so happy when they said they were going to play off.

Like, hell yeah, I hope we just play 18, like a hundred times because this is fascinating to watch. And I think the thing about Will's shirt too is like, everything just feels so like right sized, right? Like, nothing is like, there's not a bunch of big sprawling, like just endless rough as far as you can see. There's no like, it just looks like an intimate, cool golf course where you can just like see all the different features on your TV. You can kind of get like, it's right in the middle of the city.

Like you weirdly can get like a sense of place there just from watching on TV for an hour that I never, I watched a ton of Houston last week and I don't remember any of those holes a week later, right? And I feel like I could rattle off a lot of what I saw at Wilshire today. And that's not the viewing experience for everyone. I think again, this podcast is for us to document what our viewing experience is like, right? And we got a lot of weird messages this week from people you know from with at Houston Texas in their location and their in their Twitter

profile but like if you can't like see the difference between Premier golf and that like that this was it like it was on display in back to back weeks and like what you just described with 18 is what I enjoy watching about golf watching top-level players take on risky shots like that and the dividing line between Bogey and Bertie being that tight. And it'll be as you then hit at the bunker or finally, um, playing the hall for the third time and end up making Bogey was what led to Hannah Green winning it. So I can't believe you'd have the stones to disc Carlton Woods without showing your face there first solid. That's bullshit. And NFL draft week too. Unbelievable. I would say I would say Quill Hollow fans just get your red get your letters pre draft

it's because it's going to be a lot of the same stuff. Yeah. This week. It's just very either what I have been to that course and I have been to Quill Hollow. Yeah. And honestly, I've been there a couple times. I couldn't tell you outside of of course the Green Mile, which of course is hallowed ground for this podcast. It would be hard, hard, hard press to name you too many other holes out at Quail Hall. But I will say Quail bucked for the Presidents Cup. Whatever it is, that time the year was better.

And the green shines a little better. The pins they were able to use for Matchplay was, Quail was a lot more fun to watch at the Presidents Cup as the most fun I've had watching it, but now going back to May Wells Fargo like my hype now I'm not but we'll watch we'll see what happens. Sure. We got a little more golf to get to before we get I need to I need a health boost before I get to this next part before we go over to Singapore. And I get my health boost every single morning by taking AG1. Before I start my day, athletic greens, it is a smoothie powder, or I don't know, it's a greens powder, if you will. It goes into 12 ounces of water, it's super easy to make.

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How much live Singapore did you guys watch this week? I saw a range goats got it done. Go I want to see a goats versus mules match up next. I would argue that maybe there are some mules on the goats. But the goats took down the live mules. But the goats took down the live mules. So I didn't, I didn't watch a lot of live live this week, but I watched a lot of, a lot of highlights. I did my due diligence to get up.

I'm not watching in the middle of the night. You know, I'm not fired up to CW app in the wee hours, but you know, I caught up on what's going on. I think a couple takeaways. Taylor Gooch, back toto-back, W's. Big hard to. You win big things. Hard to ignore that.

He got an exemption. I think that was this week, right, into the PGA championship as well, which was kind of in line with his world ranking. I think it's always kind of been like, you know, if you're in the top 100 in the world, you're probably going to play the PGA championship. So good for him there. But yeah, I don't know, man, not a lot of other massive takeaways. Obviously a little less energy than live Adelaide, which I think was to be expected. But also like, there was a little

energy going on there. There's more, more buzz and more vibe going on in Singapore than I probably thought there was going to be. So it seems like people are catching on at least a little bit. Did they play this at Sintosa? They did. Oh, that place is so weird. I, uh, I went there like 10, 10 years ago. I was in Singapore. Really? Yeah. It's like a theme park. I didn't go to the golf course, but like, it's like an amusement park and just kind of a bizarre, uh, development.

I mean, honestly, tell me more. Well, I mean, it's just super freaking hot. I do not have that of my big Ocar that you had been to set dose. But this had to say I had a lay was doing a backpacking trip through Southeast Asia and we spent first three days in Singapore, which is probably a day too long because Singapore is so hot. You really don't want to go outside. So everything's like in malls, you're like underground and in the AC. He's like massive malls all day long.

And food's good, they got the street markets and stuff. And then we were bored. So we went over to this, they're like, there's this theme park, Centosa. So we went and rode some rides and had some churros, I think, and hung out. And then we went to like the Marina Bay Sands hotel you know that's in the harbor but yeah I mean it would remind you

of any theme park that you've been to in the US it was not you know nothing it was just kind of like it's like kind of away from the city a little bit it's just kind of a weird outlier thing that they got going on. It seems like whenever they have a golf tournament there, they go to Stoza. There you go. So how much did you watch? I did not watch any of it.

Caught some, was, I was a little intrigued this week to follow the score's live though. Like I pulled it up multiple times and I think it was an early week like fill, holding out for Eagle in one of the early rounds and folding the top of leaderboard was like, is he really doing this? Is this really happening? And one of the best leaderboards I feel like they've had shake out over time was

just kind of like, oh man, this is some stalwarts are kind of starting to separate kind of how we were, like a lot of us were expecting some of these dudes to perform on the on the on the tour with the plumbers and firemen on the bottom half of it, but Taylor Gooch, back-to-back wins, what's the reaction to that? What does that mean? I struggle with this every, nothing has really changed, nothing, I don't need to rehash any part

of the conversation, but when someone wins back-to-back tournaments on this tour, I still don't know how to place that. I think that shit load of money, what like eight million bucks in two weeks? There's definitely that. Plus the team wins. Yeah, he made over nine million bucks the last two weeks.

That's a lot of money. So I mean, good for him, like it's working out, like his decision clearly can't fault him for, you know, it's worked out for him the decision to go you can fall you can fall You can fall in a little bit because he also this wasn't part of the play I thought he was just gonna play London they'd go back to the beach. You don't in fact have to give it to Yeah, you took the words out of my mouth I think from a golf perspective it's hard like it's hard for me to

See a lot of this stuff outside of the context that it has for the major championships. And I think that speaks to the larger live conversation. It's the same reason I don't really give a shit about the fact that Tony Fiena won today and I wouldn't have really given a shit about the fact that John Rom won today if he won or if Eric Cole won or if Brandon Wu won or whatever, it's kind of, it's kind of whatever. Like it all has to be building towards something. And I think the one thing you can, the one thing like one positive, I think you can say about live now is

that at least they have like the context of the majors, right? Whereas like now that Brooks has done it in a major and has been super relevant and played in the last group and threatened to win Now all of a sudden I'm like, oh shit Brooks. What are you finished third this week or something now? I'm like, yeah, how's Brooks like that's interesting it is but without that like I don't I surely don't give a shit So it's I don't know if that answers your question, but that's kind of how I'm viewing it Well, it's still like I I've made this analogy a lot. It's like, I, for someone that we've seen perform at an extremely high level,

it's like leaving a power five conference and going and playing in the whack and beating people up there. Like, oh man, they've won the conference title two years in a row and the whack. It's like, we have a press should, right? Like, there's a lot of dudes pass their prime and it's a very limited field and it's the same dudes

every single week, like they should go out and do that. So it's just kind of still a reminder of like, you know, guys that are choosing to play their career there. It still, it still bums me out a little bit, right? That this golf world is gonna be this fractured and that, you know, neither, neither event has a deep feel this week. I think that overall is not a good thing for golf.

I don't think if live didn't exist. I don't think that the Mexican championship would have had a magnificent field either. Like it's just kind of the way things have shaken out. But, you know, the fact that because live exists, the Wells Fargo won't see Brooks and some of those guys there next week is still just bumps me out. Yeah, Dej, I think what you said makes a lot of sense like there are already a lot of PGA tour events that I don't care about this week probably being a good example of that and so With the live stuff, it's like you just created like 814 whatever

18 new events for me to not care about as well. Like I just don't really have room to care about them, you know, I, I've, I've, you know, the, uh, what the majors I, I'm glad like Taylor Gouge will be playing the PGA championship. That's awesome. Let's, you know, if you're hot, come in and and ball out, let's see what happens. And I think this is, I don't know if this kind of gets into your next notes, I'll be like, Gouge is not into the US Open due to some, you know, basically falling out of the world ranking and the fact that he wasn't eligible for the tour championship last year, it sounds like there was some language that changed around that exemption, right? That US Open, they revised their exempted criteria every year and what they changed was like

it's yeah, some language that basically because he still had enough points to get into the top 30 and which got him in the Torch Championship obviously but he did not play the playoffs because he was suspended and the case was lost right before the playoffs started but so he didn't play the Torch Championship and they changed the language for this upcoming U.S. Open to include to say like you had to have played in it basically. It's open eligible for it, which is an eligible for it. Yes, that's it. That's it.

So, uh, so he cannot use that exemption. So he, if he wants to play in the US Open, he's got a, either ball out in some OWGR certified events, uh, between, between now and the US Open or go out and qualify. And, uh, not everyone signed up for US Open Qualified from what I've gathered as well from a live after a lot of, a lot of, a lot of chatter about major championship eligibility.

Yeah, which is, this was where I guess I was going with that is like this is kind of the first time where, and I know all of this is like you make your bed and that's what the money's for and all of that stuff, and I still largely feel that way, but I think this was the one where it's like, man, if he's like fucking up these guys who are contending in majors, and he's not eligible for majors, it's like, wow, that, yeah, that's kind of shitty. Where I think it's worth going though after that is like we're seeing with the PJ championship. The majors hold all the cards to choose whoever they want to compete in all of these things.

So if, you know, I know the US Open doesn't really hand out a lot of special exemptions other than like, you know, Jack Nicholas and Arnold Palmer and like some heavy hitters. I don't know the Taylor Gooch is getting added to that list necessarily. But it does make for a very weird thing if he continues to play as well as he's playing now because he's obviously playing really, really, really good golf. And yeah, he should qualify very easily if through qualifying if he is, you know, that good at golf, right? Like that's kind of the thing, right?

He's not eligible for it. He's not betting. He has not been any of the criteria to play in the event. So he's going to have to go qualify for it. So it's it's it's it's not going to cheapen the US open of Taylor Gooch. I've seen that maybe maybe like floated in just a little bit, but it's not going to cheat the it's not the asterisk the US open if Taylor Gooch is not in it. Agreed. Can I quiz you guys a little bit without checking it all?

Have you guys looked at the standings for the live golf standings this year? I think you can probably guess who is, which if I may give live a compliment, their standings and point structure is great. Like it's really easy, it's not easy to understand, but like it's, I like kind of the more formula one base points, more way more than the FedEx Cup distribution

But I guess I'm guessing you you would assume with Taylor Gucci's and as much as we've talked about him here He is leading the live golf stands. I'll give you that one. I will bet you will not guess who's in second place in the state I feel like maybe I saw it just on their website. So I'll guess after Neil Not Brooks It. Not Brooks. It's not Brooks. He's fourth. Is Peter you line? It's Peter you line. Yeah, my next, well, my next guest,

guess we're going to be Charles Howe. He's third. Yeah, which it was, it's kind of forgotten about the start that, that Charles Howe had to this year at this point. But, um, yeah, I don't have a big takeaway from that other than that was, that was a stunner to me with, you know, Brooks says, as one event and he finished third this week, but yeah, he had some rather poor finishes elsewhere.

But, Cam Smith at night, this kind of disappointment. He's got no top three finishes this year. In any live events, it's been still kind of a bummer. He's got three top 10s, but it's not that hard top 10 to 48 man field. DJ, wait on a bummer. He's got three top 10s, but it's not that hard top 10 to 48 man field. DJ, wait on a 20th. He seems very DJF as well.

Like, man, I just, I don't know that it can be set enough the big golfer. The artist formally known as the big golfer just doesn't like, just barely plays professional golf anymore. That's total out of the wild. Like I'm not even two years ago. I'm not even embarrassed about some of the things we said after the wing foot US Open a couple years ago where like no he like that's how it felt at that time was like this guy might go win like nine majors with this

game plan. This is clearly working. Everything this is is like he's overhauling golf. And now he's like, can't crack a fucking egg on the live tour. Like it's why he's gonna look out for his gut. How I would that be part of it. You know, maybe some people right here on this podcast said it may not be a good idea to gain 60 pounds muscle. Nothing but protein. Maybe that's bad. Maybe that's gonna hurt your body. It's a bummer. It's a bummer. Like Bryce and being irrelevant is a total bummer in golf.

Like he needs to be around and competing. And his playing style is not fun. I've said this a many times. Like it's not fun to watch if he's not gonna beat people. Right, there's no mystery to it now at this point. It's just very, very disappointing. And I guess actually we should. One thing I guess I would push back on Sally on the Mexico stuff is like,

Mexico, I don't think looks like a designated event if live is not around. But is it more fun if like Matt Wolf and A-Bancer and you know, some of the more like B tier, C tier players are like the guys that are like, that's almost what's taking it from like, no, it's almost either like pass fail PGA Tour events, right? Like once and a half. Where it's like, now we have ones and zeros.

We have the ones are the designated events and the zeros are the zeros and They used to all be a lot closer because you had more of those middle tier guys and without them It's like you like the middle can't sustain That's well said the sheer volume of the mini ponies that have left like the you know between the cross-ortees Co-correct Kevin Nas like leash like that volume of player, like the accumulation, that's how we end up with like Sam Stevens on the verge of being qualified

for all designated events next year. Like that's why that middle of the pack, FedEx Cup standings looks like it does, is the volume of guys they've pulled, like the Camtongales, the Harold Barners, that they've pulled out of that is not a zero loss for the PJGA Tour. I still contend that it's more of a loss for the Tour than it is like a gain or a win for

live. And that's the part that I think just kind of sucks. It's a tale of those times, the death of the middle class. The bourgeoisie has been hollowed out on the PGA Tour. And you're right, the mini ponies, they fled. I hate that. Trying to get theirs. You guys wanna do a little Ryder Cup check-in?

I teased it a little bit earlier. I know we got a couple other various things to get to as well, but this is brought to you by BMW, a worldwide partner of the 2023 Ryder Cup. BMW will be electrifying the Ryder Cup with a fully electric fleet of vehicles for players and officials this September. I want to check in a little bit on the United States team. We have not really done one of these

dive-ins since Will's Allatoris has been noted, he's been announced that he was out for the year getting back surgery and will not be a part of this team. So I want to do a check-in as to now, I think we've kind of said the last time we did this that there's 11 likely spots like there's, I don't know, lock is a is too bold of a turn but some like a pretty clear top 11 and that final spot was really up for grabs. I think some of us were gravitating towards Taylor Montgomery as of a few months ago with the caveat that a lot can change, a lot can change. I'd say a lot has changed in that time period and now that we don't have have zell tours, I think there's two spots that are quite open. So first question for you guys, would you agree that these 10 guys are locks or lock adjacent, which is Sheffler, Cantler, Xander,

Speed, JT, Fienau, Cam Young, Moira, Cala, Max Holma, and Sam Burns. Are we ever sitting here right now? Are we safe in saying those ten are on the team if it started right now? Yeah, I'm trying to pick any knits for the sake of content. But I feel pretty good about that. Yeah, I mean, it's all those are hard to argue with. A lot of them have a ton of experience on the team already or on a presence cup team.

And the ones that don't like I guess Sam Burns he you know match play winner played well I think he gets in on merit, so I don't have any issue with that at all Do you are there any names that stick out for the final two spots this kids really fun to start thinking about this now at this point because It wasn't that fun as a few months ago honestly I think there's a couple guys that have emerged that I'm like, I got my eye on on two guys that I'm pretty ready to commit to at this point. I'm guessing one is Saith. One is Saith. Saith has been the 11th ranked American player, or sorry, the 9th ranked American

player that's not a live player. Over the last three months, he has risen up to a 1.7 strokes gained over the last three months, which is a very, very, very good player. That's a top 20 player in the world quite easily. And that's a pretty decent sized leap from what we've seen over him over the last 12 months and over the last 24 months. He's a relatively hot hand who I think would thrive in that environment and I get really excited

thinking about him on the right of Cup Team. I'm trying to think who your other guy is. Well, I mean, there's brooks is sitting there. That's, yeah, God. It's interesting. Like, again, sake of content and chaos. Like, I hope Brooks kind of balls out at the next two or three majors

and rockets up those rankings. And you gotta have a conversation. I think you have to have a conversation, you know, if he plays good golf, right? I don't think there's a chance he's gonna realize unless he wins like two of them, I don't think he's going to make it on points. It is such a huge leap to get.

There's only six automatic qualifiers, right? So I don't think he's going to make it on points. It is such a huge leap to get. There's only six automatic qualifiers Right, so I don't think he's gonna make it on points now if he plays really good golf between now and the writer cup does I think that there is a a thought to Be guys being okay with a live or to one or two live guys making a team. I don't think it's a hard ban I think it will depend who it is. I think that there is, this is no inside information at all on this. I think if like DJ was playing really well,

leading up to it, with how DJ's handled everything, seems like a pretty easy personality, fit and slide right back into this team. I don't think that's a grenade being rolled into. I think it's a very different situation like between DJ and Patrick Reed. If you, if you know,

if I'm giving an example here. So Brooks, I don't know where that stands on that. I don't know if Brooks is as easy of a slide back into it. He made some comments at last Ryder Cup about, like, you know, how the week is kind of tough. And, you know, he caused a little controversy in those comments. He also fought Dustin Johnson allegedly

after the Ryder Cup in Paris. And I really don't know what the appetite is to Johnson allegedly after the Ryder Cup in Paris. And I really don't know what the appetite is to have Brooks on the Ryder Cup team, but I think that that would be a conversation to be had, no? Yeah, I think so. I'm trying to, God, I'm guessing you're gonna make the case for Kegent? Ricky, really?

Yeah, Ricky's played some serious, serious golf, like not flashing in the pan golf, like back to ball striking it, and he's been one of the 12 best Americans over the last three and six months. There's no one beaten down the door. There's like, there's a few other names that don't have the cash rate. You could argue that Kurt K Yamas played good golf. Chris Kirk's played good golf. Those guys feel like, like, Hosecoin has played good golf. All decidedly less good golf than Ricky, though. Ricky's been very consistent and beaten

dudes. I don't know if you could argue that, though, because Kitty Yamas won. Chris Kirk's won. They've both won and had great showings. Like I think they've also been pretty anonymous on weeks. And I think I'm guessing you're peak weeks. Right. And he looked back at, I mean, just Ricky's recent, like, just going down his list of where he's finished in his recent events, T15, T10, T17, T13, T31, T20, T10, T11.

That's going back to January. It's been really, really, really good. You don't get a lot of like pub for finishing T12, but when you do it that many weeks in a row, so I think you had my curiosity, now you have my attention. Right? Like again, we were not having this conversation

three months ago. Decent personality fit with the SB2K15 boys on the team as well. And that is a huge nugget here, right? Is the team chemistry seems to be a pretty real thing in terms of, you got to kind of fit the mold in some way of, you know, is it JT and Speedbole pulling the strings on these things? Like it kind of has seemed like it for the last several years? If that's the case, I have to imagine solid golf from Ricky Fowler is going to find

him sniffing around. I'm not, you're not taking Kurt Kidiama with a captain's pick over Ricky Fowler at this point. I really don't think that's part of it. I don't think they're going to do that. There's something to monitor. I'm with you. I'm with D.G.

You have my attention. But if I'm JT or Speed, I'm telling my buddy Ricky, you're gonna have to, would love it if you went out and won something. Make this easy on us, right? Cause it feels a little stretchy at the moment. But listen, I'm, I'm, I will be monitoring this. I think it's a good idea.

Does anybody on that list get me more excited about the idea of like kind of do or die puts in in Rome? Like I don't think anybody gets me more excited than Ricky as a golf fan. Just like, man, I would love to watch and see how that goes. That's interesting. I also think like we're probably, you may be witnessing the young men turning into old men and picking Web Simpson and Jim Fierick and you know all these these guys from there like, oh this guy trust me, man. This guy he's been there before. He knows what it he knows what it takes. So I'm monitoring that too. We're just we're very early in this solid. So we are. It's fascinating. I'm really excited to do this because again the the tune I think

we probably said three months ago when we did this was like, I'm waiting to see something out of Sal Hath to get to the point where he's knocking down the door of that spot. And I think we've seen that to the point where it's like, I was looking to get excited, now I'm officially excited. And I think that is looking probable at this point. And looking for somebody to emerge or re-emerge

from the pack of mules and to kind of beat down the door and playing on it. And like Ricky, again, I know people get really bored with the strokes game stuff, but you've been 1.86 positive over the last three months. Like that's really freaking good golf. And like that goes straight on the team. And where I don't think these guys think this way, and I don't, it's definitely not the way I think, like you don't have to win a tournament to be a really great option for a match

play. Like to go out and win points and hit solid shots and four sums and be a really positive addition to the teams. Don't know the best Ryder Cup record, 3, 7, and 5. 5 halves is really sick. It's really hard to do. I don't know how he does it, but he gets a lot of credit for that comeback in 2010 that's carried a lot of weight for the image of Ricky Fowler in the Ryder Cup.

It was a comeback to have, by the way. He was four down. Exactly. So yeah, I get more excited about that. I think Keegan's on the radar as well. I really do. He's played some really good golf and that would make sense, I think. But if there's no live guys, I think Sawhit and Ricky would be my pick as a right now. I think, but if there's no live guys, I think saw it and Ricky would be my picks as a as of right now. Man, I think those are fun picks. I agree like from a fan perspective that couldn't probably couldn't pick two other guys that would get me more excited. Except Phil. Well,

that's interesting. I don't think we're gonna see that but it could be wrong. This is kind of old news now, but I'm sure everyone saw the news of Patrick Reed's Porsche showing up on a salvage site. I'd be stunned if the VIN numbers match. Okay, allegedly the VIN numbers allegedly match. I'm surprised to live media and no one at live media there this week asked Patrick about that when it surfaced, but I look forward to getting an open and honest answer about that situation. Sure, and surely by the time this podcast is posted, he'll have an update on that that

we can take at face value. Yeah, that's a lovely car too. That's the big takeaway here. That's the takeaway I had. I was kind of expecting to have the interior like his kitchen or living or whatever it is, all the black and white chessboard looking stuff. Then we would have definitely known it was his. Let's do that.

Pablo Lera Thalbo, you're a winner and solid speaking of the DP World Tour, you had a chance to talk to the commission himself. Keith Pelley, I know he's been doing, you know, hasn't been doing a ton of media in the last couple months with all the lawsuits going on and everything, but what was your experience talking to him and some of your takeaways from that? It was great. I really enjoyed catching up with Keith. It was interesting to have the conversation. He kind of started out by talking about getting shredded on Twitter and kind of laughing about, you know, people absolutely slaying him. And as soon as the podcast was posted, I was like, I know exactly what's gonna happen. People are gonna start raining in on him and throw in bobs.

And it was like, before even listening, we literally talked about like, people's reaction to things and not having a full understanding of what's going on. As soon as those posted like five replies immediately, like, whoa, he's sold out to the PGA tour. Like, man, if you listen to that guy talk talk about what and there's a reason I want to kind of start the interview with what is your job? Like talk to me about what your job is.

What is your main role? Like start from there and then talk about how you've made the decisions you've made. You and your team over the last several years and months and whatnot. And from that lens, if you can't understand exactly why the DP World Tour has done what they've done, I really can't help you, right? I mean, he made it very clear of like, I think they seem to have a problem with the term feeder tour to the PGA Tour, but in reality, hey, they're losing,

like yeah, 10 guys will get PGA Tour cards out of DP World Tour membership. Like that is their way of serving the DP World Tour membership, right? Is to say, if you play well on this tour, you will be, you will be open to the $700, $600 million, whatever it is that gets paid out on the PGA tour. Like that's the pet. That's what I'm doing is the CEO of this league is giving you the playing opportunity for that. Like that's my job here. And the part that he couldn't say out loud that I will say out loud that I feel like a lot of

DP World Tour fans or European Tour fans don't want to admit or acknowledge is like the glory days of the European Tour are not returning. It's not going to happen and you just have to follow the money. The PGA Tour has won this thing. The American corporations have stepped up in a way over the last 25 years. Tiger gets a lot of credit for this obviously, but like the money is so vastly different and the scene is so vastly different and the talent is going to accumulate and assimilate into one spot.

The DP World Tour has to move on to a phase 2.0, 3.0, whatever phases it has to move on to a different phase. The same way like the status quo was never going to work on the new PGA Tour, the same thing goes to the DP World Tour. They had to, you know, the strategic alliance guarantees purses on the PGA, on the DP World Tour, and gives these guys an opportunity to play the round of the PGA Tour. When it could have gone away,

like these golf tournaments do not have to exist, they could have been greatly diminished, the purses could not have been guaranteed, the finances of the DP World Tour have been in question for quite some time, and the Ryder Cup makes them a lot of money. I'm riding pretty hard for Keith in this one, but mostly from like a standpoint of like, dude,

it, I don't see what the other option was. I don't see a way that they could have fought back or done this on their own and succeeded, especially with how the live stuff has gone for them. And that was my reaction to it. I don't know if there's, you know know if you guys have any reaction to the reaction. Yeah, it's a tough spot for him because it's almost like, you guys, he doesn't want to tell you how bleak it's been.

No, you don't like it. You don't want to, they are organizations on life support. And so this was like a survival thing. It's like, you can't really publicize that. So he just kind of has to like You know, like yeah, eat it for on behalf of the tour That's tough. It's yeah, it's really tough when the other side's argument is like man I wish it was 1996 again. So yeah, dude me too like I don't really know what to tell you man Like I wish that you know professional golf was equally distributed and we had a bunch of healthy tours that were all kind of like

consolidating at the majors and then they would go off and do their own thing and then they'd come back together and then they'd go apart and like Yeah, I think that makes golf really freaking cool too, but like that is just not in the calculus That's not how this is gonna work anymore and yeah yeah, it's just, it's really, really hard when one side is like looking at the financial documents and the sales documents and the landscape of whatever is going on. And the other side is kinda like, yeah, well, I think it's bullshit.

Well, awesome. I don't really know what to tell you, man. Sorry. And I think like the one thing, like he said in the podcast, too, is how hard it is to explain that just to the members. He had a really hard time just explaining that to the players. And I'm not saying the players need to be CFOs and figure out all of what's going on.

And they don't need to be these brilliant business minds that figure all this stuff out. I think that's like how we've gotten ourselves into a lot of these problems in the first place. But like it is tough when, you know, when you can't really paint that message to like it's tough when that doesn't connect with players. Like I get why they're like, well, fuck it then I'll just go to live. Like what are you talking about? Like the money, the options are on the table in front of me here Either I could take the money here or I could you know like Stick with a great option for a lot of these players like right and that's great sense Yeah, and that's where it's kind of you know, you got a hand it to them

He doing in fact in this situation have to hand it Yeah, I and then yeah, it, it's tricky. He can probably talk about like 1% of what he knows and what the conversations have been like and what the decision making part of the process has been like. But like, if you view it through the lens of what is available to DP World Tour players now, I think that is just the fact that it's not in doubt is a bigger deal than probably the detractors are willing to admit or acknowledge. So it's not perfect.

I don't think anyone would say it's perfect. I don't think that the golf that's played on the DB World Tours especially been interesting. Like, can't really, it's just not caught much of any of our attention over the last several weeks, months, that's just kind of probably what the future of it looks like, but what that guy and that team have to do for the membership, it feels like they've accomplished something out of this alliance.

Even if, even if it's not going to serve golf fans, I tried to make that point and he kind of went quickly into like, hey, well, part of this is like making an entertaining product that you can sell to sponsors, like I get it, but also it's kind of where I've felt for a long time, the PJ Tour has let a lot of golf fans down is players getting paid, sponsors are up in the money, like why do we care about the golf fans? And that's what has frustrated a lot of us, like I do think that's kind of where the DP World Tour is trending.

I don't think the tournaments are gonna get that much more interesting. I know that's a bummer for golf fans, but like again, the we It's maybe years and years of doing this and been beaten down by the process and the ecosystem of learning. Like we just, the fans don't have as big of a seed table as we probably like to think we do. And sadly, I think at times, it's just like, the answer to that question is like,

maybe do something different with your time than watch the golf tournament. And I know I do that at times and I think that's probably the unfortunate reality of it. Or it's, I mean, KVV kind of said this about Australia, right? It's at some level, like it kind of almost like the cycle starts back over to where some of the pro golf stuff started in the beginning and it's like,

well, you kind of just need your like local companies to step up and do it, right? Because that's the only way it's going to change is if it's like very beneficial to that local region. And if a company, if it ends up making sense, or even if it doesn't end up making sense, if a company ends up dedicating resources to it for some reason, that's the only way it's gonna happen.

It's not gonna, you know. That's how the co-sanctioned Genesis Scottish Open was like Genesis is a PJ Tours sponsor. Like, that's how that happened, right? So there's a benefit from the strategic alliance. And I wish that I hope that there are events in Europe, like designated events in Europe. I want that.

I think there should be, I said down the pod too. I wanted that in the UK and Ireland. I think that serves that part of the Gulf world is deserves that to see these guys come over and play more than just one or two weeks a year. And I hope that's in the future and in the plans. But man, it's just like, again, through the five-year-go conversation, six-year-go conversation amongst us,

what sound different than it currently does. But like, we've been pretty beaten down by the realities of ProGolf. And like, whenever it gets to a point where it's like, yeah, I got this great idea, but also, hey, it's gonna involve you like losing a lot of money. How often does that idea get pushed through? It just doesn't. The realities of this are sadly that money rules a lot of this, and I wish it wasn't always the case, but man, usually the answer is in follow the money.

But yeah, we're actually gonna be heading over to the end of the Italian Open to Marco Simone, this, this past week, super inspired by the conversation that I have with you probably obviously, but we're going to be playing Marco Simone and filming it and going to have a video out, obviously, in advance of the Ryder Cup this year. So the Pymann and I and Ben are going to make a little trip over to Rome and check it out to make it very excited to see that. I'm excited to get your ass on the golf course. Again, after the great success of our last

Ryder Cup themed video series, I'm hungry for another victory. How is your game good? I haven't played golf for the years. It feels like time. I don't know if it's good. Tim Kwanner right now is so firm that I shoot like 78 every time and I think I'm kind of playing good,

but I just can't stop the ball in the green right now. So I feel like 78 every time and I think I'm kind of playing good but I just can't stop the ball in the green right now. So I feel like if I get a relatively soft course I can do something kind of nice but not sharp not sharp but we're going to be doing a little filming out here in LA this you know in in in Northern California here this week and so I'm getting a couple reps in and we're on our way but we'll find out find out more on that when the video comes out. Many people are concerned that there's a little streak going on here, because I've gotten you, as many times as you've beaten me,

this is Tune-A-Roe is monitoring, and three is officially a streak. No doubt, and that's weighing deep, deep, deep on my mind. Luckily, I've been working on a lot of mindfulness stuff. I haven't been playing a lot of golf, obviously. It's still about 40- 40-ish degrees and just gray and rainy up here. And I went out to band and dunes and it was the exact same, which was tough. So I haven't, I haven't been playing a lot of, a lot of good golf, but

I've been getting a ton, ton, ton of mental reps. So Neil, I know you're kind of with me on that. We, we, we were out in Scottsdale a couple of weeks ago. Sorry, our friends at Vision 54, Pia and Lynn, I think they got us, got us touched up, topped off on the golf mindfulness. So I'm trying to get my think box dialed. That's right. I step into the play box. Yeah, and the memory box, of course. Of course, the memory got about the memory box. Got to got to remember to do what leave room for a while. So yeah, I don't know what is getting off the plane,

ready to meet you, Sally, but I'll see you guys there and very much look forward to it. It's a quick trip. It's going to be in and out, but it's going to be a lot of fun. Any housekeeping items we want to clear up before we wrap? I'll mention we did a video. I shouldn't say we did a video, I was in a video that was produced and shot and edited by our friends over. Who's we?

I'm Mary and Phil. I'm Phil. I'm Phil. Call Howling Into The Rough, over on the Yeti YouTube channel, Yeti Partners of ours. I would say inspirational partners of ours. We've watched their films for a really long time, watched a lot of the films produced by the Bimerian team

for a really long time. And so it was quite a thrill to be asked to be in one of those with legendary surfer Mick Fanning, who's kind of a new golfer, but was taking a trip over to Lahinch for I believe the third time, first time for a golf perspective. So we went and played some golf, and I watched him surf. They threatened to make me surf luckily that didn't come to fruition

and put together a nice fun little video about it. So That was really fun. Go check that out Got some fun stuff coming coming soon on the NLU video front we got a KVV fitting video Which I do got to give a special shout out. You guys will see him in this video, but Nick Geier is a a fitter at a tylus was the Southern California golf associations mid-AM champ this past week. Absolute stick. So you can know that when you watch him fit KVV for clubs, he absolutely knows what he's talking about. So shout out to Nick. That was, that was really cool to see.

And then we've got some more film rooms coming. We've got some more Hubert content coming. I know the people love that. We've got some more office hours coming. Wolfie is deep in the lab preparing all kinds of shit for Oak Hill and PJ championship. We've got a bunch of US open stuff coming. So we've got all kinds of stuff. It's about to be a content bonanza. It's been a little dry. I know the last, built a little drought the last couple of weeks, but the rains are coming, my friends. I would like to plug a couple things too. First, put solid in the funk tank on the April Ness

pot. I thought that was a fantastic conversation. You meet Cody had. So if you're a Ness member, you can check that out. We're posting his videos on our website now. So you can just go to nolangup.com and it should be one of the recent videos in the video section. If you're not a Ness member, consider signing up. KVV also just wrote a really good nest column on Jerry Springer. And what Jerry Springer meant to him as a Montana teenager, which I got a real kick out of.

Did not see that would come. That was really good. A really good read this morning. I read it this morning. I was loving it. So that's cool. And then events, I think the event season, guys, I think we're bucking on the event side. We got the NITs dial, we're going to Frisco, the Omni Frisco, the new PGA of America Headquarters.

That's in November, but there's a ton of opportunities to qualify for the NIT. So go to events.nolangup.com to learn more about Roost majors. And just kind of, I think there's going to be like 28 to 30 events this year, all over the US, UK, Canada. So get involved. Awesome. Thank you all for tuning into an hour and a half podcast about the Mexico Championship. But at Vidanta, he redecululo, sonloz chico.

See, mucha gracias, y un bonito. Thank you to both for being here on a Sunday evening. I look forward to a DGC in Roma here shortly. And thank you, I'm Pratunin. See you back here next week. Cheers. Cheers. Give it a big club. Be the right club today. Cheers. Get the right club.

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