No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 681: Byron Nelson Recap plus LIV Tulsa with Bunkie Perkins

Episode Date: May 15, 2023

For the first time in five years, Jason Day is a winner on the PGA Tour as he holds off a jam packed leaderboard in Dallas to win the Byron Nelson. We look back at Day's road back from the injuries and struggles that derailed his run as the top ranked player in the world and look at the rest of the week at TPC Craig Ranch. Then we call upon friend of the program Bunkie Perkins for his report from the grounds of LIV Tulsa. Plus, Phil Mickelson's week on Twitter, our upcoming TV coverage partnerships at the PGA Championship and US Open, and a quick debrief on our trip to Italy for the Italian Open to check out Marco Simone ahead of the Ryder Cup. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. That is better than most. Better than most. Expect anything different. Senior day, senior day, Buenos Sada. Welcome back to the No Langing Up podcast. Sali here had the week off from the pod last week.

Got to skip our one designated event because we were in Italy, doing a little film project with my guy DJ pie. Welcome back. How is the jet lag here on Sunday night? Buenos Aires, Sally. Jet lag kind of kicked me in the nuts today for being honest. It was I've been doing pretty good this weekend. I don't know if it was the gloomy weather here in Milwaukee. I don't know if it was TVC Craig James. I don't know what a lot of culprits, but just really tough to pull myself off the couch today. But we got some good golf, good finish on the LPGA. We got a good Jason Day story to talk about on the PGA tour. Got

to watch some family feud on the CW. Good finish on the CW. Yeah. Come on. Keep going. And yeah, happy, happy to be here. Happy to be back. Happy to be with you. Did not, did not have Craig James in the first minute of the episode with TC taking the night off tonight. He had recently had surgery. He wanted to be here. He is here in spirit, but didn't quite feel up to to talking into a microphone for as long as we're going to go. This episode was brought to you by our friends at title list, the number one ball at every level of competitive golf. And when every major title is on the line as we gear up for the PJ championship, I'm quite feeling like PJ championship we get. But the overwhelming majority of players will put a T in the ground.

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all the great comments on that. I'm excited to go through those this weekend. But while we're out there for that, Titleist had some good time with with JT and spieth and Max and Tom Kim and a bunch of guys and kind of let us be part of some videos. And I think the first one of those is coming out later this week, which is kind of just me and Justin Thomas, if you've heard of him, shopping it up on the range a little bit, asking him about a bunch of great ball striking drills that he works on, how he shapes shots, some memories from the PGA, all kinds of different stuff. So look for that on Titles YouTube channel

later this week. A lot to talk about Jason Day wins the Byron Nelson, Dustin Johnson, just one at Liv Tulsa. We're going to bring in a guest a little bit later here to talk. It's Bunky Perkins. He's going to be talking about his experience out there at Liv Tulsa. We have Simon Forström winning in Belgium on the DP World Tour Genie on co won in a playoff over Mingi Lee at the founders at upper Mont Clare on the LPGA tour I think that's it for results for now, but starting with team as a risk tonight I got to mention Steve Shaker also of course. I assumed you did

I honestly forgot when I didn't write down and I was I went to go speak those like I didn't Didn't didn't trust myself on that one. But we got some backbord. We got to talk about all the chips. It's true. Yes. This week, that was outrageous. But Jason Day, the comeback arc is complete with a win over a stack, stack field at TPC

Craig James at the AT&T Byron Nelson, a super happy sponsor about that event. I, I'm trying, I'm trying do my dick writing bit and I'm struggling with this tournament, but a lot of time coming or it seems like I don't want to say a long time coming. This has been building and training for Jason Day for quite some time and he finally got one passive finish line. Yeah, it was it was kind of a, I don't know, man, I am just like immensely, immensely impressed by Jason Day over the last kind of a years. Like he's he's open up a little window as far as what he's been going through. Obviously the injury is almost turned into kind of a meme with Jason Day. It's always it's allergies.

It's vertigo. It's the rib. It's the back. It's the leg. It's this blah, blah, blah. It's always something. And I think that's easy to be pretty flippant about. And once you once you kind of scratch at that a little deeper

and you start thinking about all the things that he's been working on to actually get back, you know, we kind of talked about this with Justin Rose a couple months ago when he won at Pebble. But man, it seems like it would have been easy for Jason Day to ride off into the sunset, cash a big live check, go play, you know, 10, 12, 14, whatever, times a year and just kind of be pretty, pretty complacent

and pretty happy with with his standing engulf. And he seems to have taken the direct opposite tact. And he, you know, started, I think in October last year, he was down all the way to like 175 in the world, which is just wildly unbecoming for, for, you know, I had a question I want to ask you later. Maybe the most underrated number one player in the world of our generation? I feel like he's just thinking about that. Man, he just doesn't, he was just so dominant in that 2015, 2016 stretch that I feel like we shout

that out a lot, but man, it's days like this where you see him like really rolling it, you see the kind of trend lines, you see when he goes on these runs to like play really good golf over a pretty pretty good stretch of time. And you kind of remember like, man, that, that is, that guy was the dude for a long time and doesn't probably get quite the respect that he deserves. I'll push back on long time. I think that's probably why he's not a higher rated number one, if you will. It was, it was a heater. It It was, I think he won what five times and 12 starts at one point, which is just an insane heater, but it didn't last, you know, back, if you look back into late 2017, it really started to climb pretty quickly. And

he just didn't hold that outrageous hot streak. I mean, almost no one does, but that's probably why it's, it's kind of a doval type run, but even do balls run seem to have lasted longer than days did. Too many injuries. And I got to admit though, his falloff wasn't quite as severe as I thought it was. I mean, he'd never turned into a below average Torpro. And at times it felt like it, right? Just because he fell off pretty darn hard from where he was, but he's always, I guess, rarely do guys have sustained runs at the top when

they get so much out of their putting and he's always gotten so much out of his putting. And man, pull up his player page so far this year, I'm going to run through his start so far this year. I'm going to have you guess negative or positive strokes gained putting in this event for Jason Day this year. So we'll start with the the AMX in January. Positive. Farmer's insurance.

Let's say positive. Phoenix open. Let's say positive. Genesis invitation. Let's say positive. I'm gonna say positive for all of them. He puts very hard on palm and players change the chip. Dell Technologies match play, Masters and Wells Fargo inistakut was also positive. I'm going to

this week. It's and that's something that like even the best putters have weeks where they're not, you know, there was slightly below average. Usually it's ball striking that dude's like don't really dip on, but putting does and he continues to roll the rock and now he's got ball striking that has returned to at a way it really never has. His approach play is the best it's ever been in his career. Off the tee's not quite best. It's ever been in his career. Off the tee is not quite as good as it ever was. And his 2015-2016 was still the best golf he's ever played. But this season is pretty darn remarkable from J.D. Got to admit I didn't see it coming. Don't know how long it's going to last though. That's always been the thing with him is

you know, the injury thing is kind of a meme at this point, but it's a very real thing. And we were just experiencing it weeks ago, less than a month ago, really, with the vertigo and the recent things he's had going on. But very happy for him. I think what's kind of cool about his, you know, you were talking about his ball striking kind of being on the come up camera Morphit, the PGA Tour, wrote a really good kind of feature about about Jason back during the Masters and kind of detailed him going over to work with Chris Como and some of Como's philosophy about, you know, I forget with all the kinetic chain stuff and making his body move in different ways.

And it's kind of a bit of zalatoris like I need to change my golf swing in order to take pressure off of my back, which is just to pause real quick. Fucking insane thing for somebody who has done nothing but play golf their entire life has done nothing but be a dominant golfer their entire life. Got in a number one in the world, won a major championship, done all of this stuff and it's like, okay, now we need to change your golf swing. We need to change the way your body works. I truly, I know players change their swings all the time, but man, man, just a pause to for appreciation for what that must be like to actually go through that process. And then fucking come on on the other side and like win a PJ tour of it, right?

It's just, it's incredible. And he also had some comments in there and talked about this today too. It kind of reminded me a little bit of like the spieth quotes that we've heard over the last couple months where Jordan was kind of talking about how, you know, it was just so easy for him, not easy, that's not the right word. But like it almost was like, the way Jason said it today was, he was almost like a horse that was just,

someone told him to run fast and run straight and he just did that forever until he got to number one in the world. And he had people kind of all around him taking care of things. He never really had to think about why he was being successful, how he was being successful.

He was just successful. And he got there and got to number one and kind of conquered the golf world. And the way he was looking back at it in kind of retrospect today was like, yeah, I have no idea how I did that. I don't know what I was doing well. I don't know how to do it again.

And so when everything breaks down, you're trying to change your golf swing and you're trying to recapture all this magic. It's like, gotta be a pretty hopeless feeling to be like, man, how did I do any of that? And so again, just an incredible amount of respect for anybody who takes on the task of kind of trying to figure that out,

because it's gotta be so fucking daunting. And I can't imagine the amount of people who try and fail. It's something about professional golf, and maybe it's different than other sports, but maybe it's not, but in a sport that is so regimented, so individualistic, so you're just in charge of everything when it comes to your schedules, if you play on the DP World Tour and PGA tours, maybe not on other league, but you're so in charge of all of this stuff that when you have variables added to your life, if you have kids, if you have health, but you're so in charge of all of this stuff that when you have variables added to your life, if you have kids, if you have health, if you have family things, if you

have anything thrown in, there's not, nothing will ever be the same. I imagine for LeBron, basketball seasons are probably, as the years go on, he plays a little less, maybe trains a little less or less or whatever kind of does more load management, but the season kind of has the same cadence to it, right? And golf is such a year round thing. It's such a global thing and like managing sleep and travel and the long periods of travel that these guys have. When you add not one, not two, not three before kids into the mix, plus some

health issues along the way, the variables are always constantly changing. Now you talk about changing your goal swing on top of that, and you talk about the hours put it on the range to drill that in, and then the hours spent in competition where you have to now make that your new feel. Like that's something you can't fake, I'm your field village, you can't fake it in your back,

I know he's got an insanely impressive back yard that he practices out of, all that stuff, but to go and put it under the gun and have this sustained level of success is not something. Again, not something I saw coming and something that is one of the biggest stories of the year, really. I totally agree. He said some other cool stuff in the interview today. Just kind of, you know, I think we hear these quotes a lot about like, oh, so close to

giving up the game and I was so close, I just, I almost hung it up. And someone kind of asked him to like elaborate, like, what does that mean? Like, what did that, look like, what did that feel like? And he was talking about how, like, the way his mindset was working was, and whether this was conscious or not conscious, was he basically was starting the year saying, like, what is my contractual minimum that I have to play for sponsors for, you know, all kinds of different things. And it was basically like 20 events. And he was talking about how, okay, that means I'll go show up at the memorial.

Probably can't really practice Monday. Probably can't really practice Tuesday. Wednesday, if I have a program, I guess I'll just kind of like fight my way through it and I'll be in pain the whole time. If I happen to make the cut, you know, I guess we'll try to like make some cash. And if I don't, then well, at least we like crossed, you know, now we're down to 19. We got, we got what less? And just imagine like,

I'm not equating it at all, Sally, but like you play tournament golf, like imagine, imagine like showing up to a tournament like that. And then like that's, that's your whole, like, okay, lights are on on you got to go play well and maybe you know maybe you could say like well he's made a bazillion dollars and he doesn't really have to grind and you know he probably is out there to just kind of like check the box but man I can't imagine the idea of like trying to play golf at the highest level if that's either consciously or subconsciously your your mindset out there it's just it's incredible. Yeah I mean how many PGA Tour wins now?

Is this for days and days? This is 13. She sure. It's a lot of wins, man. That's what I'm saying. Underrated. And it's back at the, you know, I know it's different golf course, but it's kind of a full circle thing too, right?

Side of his first PGA Tour win was at that, that faded 2010 Byron Nelson, which was the year that spieth was made the cut as a 16 year old, which is kind of a funny little time capsule that makes me feel super old. But yeah, I don't know, just a kind of fun. His next one was Dubu Song, which is like one of my first golf Twitter memories, I feel like that was a 23 three holes for that J.P. chip. And then you won the farmers, you won the RBC PGA J.P. chip, the Barclays and the BMW all in 2015. Then one Arnold Palmer match play again in 2016. Be a stage in five and four.

I don't know why I don't remember that. One of the players that year as well. So you won 10 times nine of which were between February 2014 and May of 2016. Then when the farmers again in 18, when it kind of already felt like you've fallen off a little bit, then you won wells a few weeks, a few months later, and then yeah, had not won for five years until this go around.

So I don't think if we're sitting here like either in 2016 or 2018, we underrated Jason Day. You know, I think it's going to deserve. Okay. We're all like now. Like where we're at now, I feel like we, you know, yeah, I would have to look at the numbers and stuff, but I mean, he doesn't get the same treatment as a lot of the other guys who have less than 13 wins, right?

And it's just, he's never on the tip of anybody's tongue. It seems like in a lot of that's injury related and, you know, losing some form. But it's, you know, just I'll be I'll count myself as a Jason Day respecter. I'm not I'm not don't typically enjoy watching him play golf. It's usually feels like he's trying to smash the ball as hard as he possibly can. It feels pretty artless. I do love watching him putt. I got to say that like, God, he hits it out of the center of the putt or every single time and it's get Jason Day going on on the worm cam. That's, that's about his good as it gets. But I think today was, I don't know, it's just kind of weirdly sentimental. You know, dash days, 28 years old now. You see him, see him green side. I remember being

at that 2018 farmers when he's running around kicking sand around in the bunker in the trophy presentation. And it's just that, you know, life, life moves on. And it's a, it was kind of a fun little, fun little walk down memory lane with Jason Day today. I'd like to think there's no way I'm aging as fast as Dash Day is. Like it was freaking me out today to see him just like, somebody asked if he could dunk on Randy, if he, if he could dunk a mask, If he, if he could, he could do the basketball. Yeah. That's pretty good. Eat and sleep golf said, could there have been a better winner this week for a non-designated event, a good story in what would have been otherwise a quiet week for the PGA tour? I would say Scotty probably would have been the most ideal winner. I mean, they've

gotten, you know, some big name winners in these small events. And that would have been ideal, but that's, this is right up there. I mean, I do not give the tour credit for this. This is this event is pretty awful. It's it's trended towards an awful way and an awful golf course. And I did not watch a lot of it. But they keep falling into these good stories and some of these not designated events. And I've tried to think of the last, what was the last stinker? I mean, they're at, you know, there's the path and getting there has not been great, but when them Clark, all right. That one. We missed that week. So we miss

I don't feel bad about that one, but yeah, they keep kind of getting these little small wins that, you know, aren't going to change anything, but it's just just noteworthy. But I would almost say this week was like, I would almost say Jason Day was a better, I don't know. I mean, we get into this like, we get into these narrative traps where it's like every week is life or death, like the PJ tours going to go away if they don't get a good winner or something. But I would almost say like Jason days a more interesting winner than Scotty, right? Like Scotty might have been a better winner

for like for the PGA championship. It would have been a very big like cool man. Yeah. It's just slaying mules right in front of us. I'm just getting a designated event. I mean, cool man. No, I can't. He's Dallas guy. We know why he plays it. It all makes sense. But it is going to be weird for somebody like Scotty to go play an event that's like, man, anything less than a win is going to probably feel like a disappointment heading into to a major championship week. Right. No, totally, totally. He seems like he, uh, he was right there, man. It's, it's crazy to have 64 64 65 on the, uh, on the score sheet this week and, uh, and not get it done. That's the sign of a truly strange tournament. Our guy Lane Sharts is asking a question

that, uh, I assume is meant for TC. I will send it to TC. Uh, see if he'll answer this, uh, live on the pod. But if you had to bet on Jason Day or Tommy Fleet would win a major going forward. Who would you bet on? God, that's a good question. I mean, I'm obviously going to take J. Day, but who are you taking? Day. I mean, Tommy's playing through really good golf.

We're people think we're hard on Tommy. We're really just hard on TC for just not applying his own principles to his own takes, but it just fearlessly, fearlessly riding for Tommy when it is maybe not necessary. But yeah, Tommy is playing some good golf and it's very noteworthy going into pretty much any major. But yeah, Jason's doing it in so many different places in a lot of different ways. And I see no reason why he wouldn't take, I mean, injury would be why. That would be the answer. Tc did issue a statement to me if you, if you'll be to release sure, I didn't know this. Just Jda related. Obviously he's had his ruddids allergy gate. Uh, Disney, the whole Disney

thing. I love that Tc's out injured tonight on the pod. And it's going to have a take on this. However, he wanted me to encourage the electrons to stand out and stand by. He said that he's proud of Jay Day for winning as it was foretold late last year by T.C. I weirdly respect the hell out of it, much more than team rose, even though I think the only reason he didn't go to live was because he hates their leg break. So that concludes this, David. God, I'm so envious of TC's way of like shoe in a compliment, shoe horning in something that's like, and even harder disk that like, you don't even hear the compliment anymore. It's what he does it to you. It's like, ah, fuck, man, that was so unnecessary. Like the one time I've ever made him

compliment American Airlines, he was like, oh, but I'd also like to remind you, they don't fly to Iceland. First of all, that we could say on TPC Craig James that hasn't already been said. Let me just get you to kind of, you know, we don't need a labor on this,

but we shit on it a lot, you know, we talk about it being a bad golf course. Yeah, why we shit on it a lot, you know, we talk about it being a bad golf course. Yeah. Why, why, why, why, why, just give me a little, give me a little taste. Can we change this about golf courses that like, can we just change the burden of proof to be like assuming that a course is not good. And then we can notice when they're good. Like I don't, I don't, I don't see until proven innocent. Yeah. I flipped over to upper upper Montclair to watch the end of the RPG.

I just look for your rule. Play to see what look at two holes there and then compare that to Craig James. And, uh, and like I, if I have to like explain the difference, I don't have the words to be able to explain the, the difference. But in just a little bit of watching that, the difference in some elevation change, some proper bunkering, some proper green, just management, like the, the surrounds of watching that, the difference in some elevation change, some proper bunkering, some proper green, just management, like the surrounds of the greens, the design of the golf holes has way more shot value included in every shot like PGA tour. These guys are

really freaking good. So you need to be challenging the challenging their shot value. What that means is, hey, when you miss the target with this, the result cannot be, eh, like, that's fine. You'll two putt from there. You're totally fine. The result needs to be now par is in jeopardy. And that's exactly what happened as soon as you flip the channel over there. And you watch this and it's like, you watch guys leaning and I watched Austin Eckerer, like, almost throw the club on a six iron. He's hitting into a 500 yard par four. And it was because it was in the center of the green. And he had like 40 feet away. And it was like a super easy two putt.

Like that is super inconsequential golf to watch on repeat. There's no real actual design elements to those golf holes. There's no risk. The 14th hole is just like, yeah, hit a great t-shirt. You're gonna have a great eagle look. And if you don't hit a great one, your eagle look is gonna be slightly worse. Like you're probably gonna have to lag your putt

and make a birdie. And it look is going to be slightly worse. Like you're probably going to have to lag, you're puttin' make a birdie and it just makes for really golf watching. Not everyone views golf that way, but that's what it's like for me watching this golf course. And there's going to be some elements of that, I think it'll kill this week at a different scale. We're talking different level of golf, major championship golf just golf courses are held to a different scale, but I have a feeling I haven't been there yet.

I'm going to head out there tomorrow, but have a feeling we're going to be met with a little bit of dullness on this golf course. Well, it sounds like, I mean, what do you think on Craig James? Can I, no, I agree with you. And I, this is going to sound like I'm trolling you, but I'm not, because we're going to talk a lot of Marcus Simone later, but like truly give me Marcus Simone 10 times out of 10 over, over a TVC correct branch. Like truly, like at least it's interesting. And I you can throw all the

shop value stuff at me and you can throw all the whatever, but like I could not stay awake watching that today when it's just like, nobody's going to make a bogey coming in. It's physically impossible to make a bogey and maybe someone's going to flip a wedge in their clothes. And maybe someone's going, Jason Day hit an amazing wedge shot in 18. That was, you know, that was great. That kind of jostled me from my, from my snooze a little bit, but it's, it's really hard to, some of its telecast related to, I think, like, not that they can really be doing anything differently, but when you have that many people in the mix, anybody can win because there's no separation on the golf course. Like you're just watching 18 foot butts all day.

And I'm just like, God, who gives a fuck about about any of this? Like who it's hard to hard to really settle into like the cadence of here's a t shot. Here's an approach shot. Here's a putt. Here's like a comprehensive golf hole. Here's what it all means. And you know, you're just kind of going, you feel like the, uh, the screen saver, you know, people can't see my fingers, but like the, the screen saver that just like slowly bounces from corner to corner, that's how I feel when

I'm watching take off course like this is just like, I don't know. Here's an echoed put. Here's a Marty Dow T-Shot here. Okay. Oh, we might hit it. And then every, every now and again, it's like, oh, it might hit exactly in the corner. You know, that's that's like all you're kind of waiting for. But it's just it's not a lot of excitement. We do have I do have an answer to Lane's question from from T.C. His answer, of course, his Tommy. He's three years younger and he says more like 10 years younger with Jason's back history and his best golf is ahead of him. I'm a believer. A menstrual spectra day for not bailing for live and then buckling down and working hard. I predicted a win this year. The vision fund was on him last fall. Also, I hope Dash is eligible for the

PIP. Would be a true comeback player to your situation for Dash. So pretty much what we're expecting there. They tried, yeah, they tried. I yeah, you know, CBS tried to do the ranch thing on 17 with the box then 17th hole and that works when you got star players coming in. Tyrell Hatton came down and was going to help them call some golf on Saturday and Tyrell just kind of gave him nothing. I mean, it was a lot of jokes about the seven-second dump button and not we didn't even get past, you know, he didn't even he didn't even come close to you know, he didn't even, he didn't even come close to the edge. He didn't give us, give him much of anything other than like, yeah, I work out more now and trying to kind of capture the atmosphere of the 16th

hall at Wastemanagement in a May event in Dallas at TPC Craig Ranch is just, it's not the same thing. I give him credit for trying. I'm that's not on CB. Absolutely. Trying it. They're trying to do something different with this weekend, but it just wasn't quite working. And it does, it does seem like, so I'll preface all of this with like, I've never actually gone in this event. It's one of the few that I've, I've never actually been to, but it seems like it's well supported. I mean, it seems like there's a ton of people out there. And it's a bit of the

pebble situation of like, man, when you're there, like it's actually a really good time. I'm just kind of in the same boat as like I would be with, you know, live, Adelaide or lived, Tulsa or whatever. It's like, yeah, no, the people on site seem to be having a blast. How does that transfer into like making your product into like a billion dollar, like entertainment product? Like I don't know that it really does. So that's where I had some of the disconnect comes in for me. It's like, yeah, it looks like you guys are all having a great time. I don't need to be a part of that, but I'm glad for all of you. That's, I actually want to talk to you about this and I did not put this on the agenda,

but I'm going to kind of summarize, I don't know, 40, 50, 60 years of professional golf evolution really quickly here and saying like, the reason the PJ Tore looks like it is now is it's not one cohesive tour. It's kind of a bunch of different events that you know summer newer than that summer really antiquated events, but it's always just been events that pop up randomly. They were pretty much hyper local activities, not necessarily a lot of TV coverage. There wasn't that much TV coverage of sports. That's slowly evolved over the years all this, but it's everything's just been kind of bolted on and there's all these super hyper local things happening.

kind of bolted on and there's all these super hyper local things happening. And now golf has trended towards being this conglomerate TV product known as like the PGA tour, right? The PGA tour has been an existence for a long time, but now how do you sell like a massive overall TV package to distribute a ton of money to the players and make it cohesive? Have a like fact, it's kept an even exist, there's no championship as of 2006, right? Like, there's no, and so this, this event feels like something left over from the previous era of like, all right, they raised a shit,

like the answer to the question, like, why does this event exist? They raised a shit, it's like one of the most profitable or highest revenue salesmanship club there, the revenue they generated for charities, like one of the highest of any sponsor or any event that on the PGA tour calendar.

Like, that's why it exists. It's a place for people to go hang out and Dallas, or it should be a tournament in Dallas. That's why it exists. And it just feels very check the box in terms of meeting that conglomerate package of like, you're tuned in to watch the PGA tour because this is how you should spend your Sunday. And I think that's a problem, like long-term. I mean, the more you, I don't know, we've talked about this a lot too.

Like you can't have every event operating at 100 out of 100, but it just feels like Dallas deserves something a little bit better presented, you know, from a tournament standpoint. Does that make sense? That totally makes sense. I think one thing that would probably help, and maybe I'm just, I don't know,

I was thinking about this while I was watching the Founders Cup, the LPGA event, which seemed like I didn't watch a ton of it. I watched probably the back, you know, the last seven holes or so. And it just seemed like it has like such a clear identity to that event, right? Like this is, the event is to honor the founders. We're going to do a bunch of stuff around that. It felt different than other LPGA events that I've watched. I felt like I could kind of place what was going on a little bit and like what the uniqueness of this week was all about. Like this week is supposed to kind of be to honor Byron Nelson. And it's just never squared with me how little of like at least from a TV perspective, like

again, maybe it's wildly different on site. But when you watch the Arnold Palmer, when you watch the memorial, when you watch the Genesis, like they do such a, you know, there's probably not a lot like, it's not always stuff that we love probably, but like it's pretty fucking clear what the what the identity of the week is. Right? And there's just none of that with this event. And I think there's maybe, I don't know, maybe the tributes like can't flow down to Byron Nelson for some reason. Like maybe that's a bridge too far to pull out all the stops and really make this week all about him,

but I don't know. Like if it's not that, I don't totally get what the identity is because like you're saying, it's like the PJ Tour who's almost, you said it in a really smart way, I think, which is like things have just evolved so much quicker on the media and entertainment side than they have on the PJ tour side. And I don't even think that's like, I don't know that that's necessarily anybody's fault.

It's like just really, really, really hard to turn that, you know, turn that like steamship around that quickly, right? It's just, there's a lot of pieces in place and all of these sponsorship contracts, which we can certainly talk about next are our individual contracts with all of these individual tournaments. And there's just like so many disparate pieces that it's just really, really hard to make it into like a modern feeling entertainment product while also being like, well, fuck, this is what it's been for 70 years. How do we keep that, you know, how do we keep that role? And so I don't know, maybe that leads us into the Adam Schupac report on the title sponsorship. It leads us into something else first, which is whether you're a scratch

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So yes, there was a report in golf week from Adam Schupack saying according to multiple sources, the Torhead Raytheon technology. First of all, AT&T is out as the sponsor of this event. The tour had Raytheon technologies, one of the largest aerospace and defense manufacturers in the world, ready to sign on the dotted line but tour commissioner, Jay Monahan,

nixed the deal at the last minute because the company sells missiles to Saudi Arabia. Okay, so I think the first part of that. So I think the second part is is much more interesting to like have a beer and talk about the the ray fion of it all, but I think the AT&T going away is probably much more impactful and much more like important to the PJ tour and that like this has been kind of the most visible other than FedEx, the most visible sponsor on the PJ tour for a very, very long time. I feel like we've set on this podcast over and over and over like how do they keep getting away with it? How do they

keep tricking these companies into spending this money for these events that like don't make sense particularly AT&T and they have the pebble event they have this, and they do the stuff at the Masters, and they have all that, like, so much golf stuff already, like, how, who is justifying this? So, in a way, it's a bit of a fly, the banner-like, okay, I'm not insane. It's like, kind of this simple, though, with reports that AT&T is gonna be a designated event

next year, the price tag on those seems to be a lot bigger than just a regular sponsorship event. So, maybe AT&T is saying, hey, I'm out of the dals. Instead of having two mediocre events, let me go spend my money out at Pebble Beach, where all the stars will be. I can bring all my hospitality out there. I can have the people I need to host out there play in the Pro Am with Pebble Beach with the top stars in the game.

That seems like a better investment than just continuing to invest in TPC Craig James. But maybe that's overly simplified, but that seems to add up on my end. Yeah, I totally agree. And then again, I mean, I don't know what's going on with the, who will be the replacement sponsor, the the Raytheon saga and Big J swooping into the last second to squash that kind of seems like something out of like the newsroom or something, but we'll see what it looks like. Let's just let's game theory that right. I think it's like a, a, I don't mean to discredit Adam's report. I believe that he has, you know, he has sources

that have told him this. I don't, I'm not saying the sources, or you know, that he missed reported this or anything like that. But Jay Monahan didn't find out when they went to go sign the contract that that that the Braithion cells technology or missile Saudi Arabia, right? That we can agree that that didn't happen, right? I think that's probably known. There is a million things that could have gone wrong with the deal. There's, you know, maybe it comes down to who is Braithion bringing out the hospitality? Like, who are they, are they bringing the Saudis into play in the pro-Am? Are they, is this the Saudis way of infiltrating the PGA tour? There's a million different ways this could have maybe, maybe, maybe, it could be a

sales team member that had a hot lead on selling to Raytheon and brought it to the tour and it got mixed. It, you know, some, at some stage, maybe there wasn't the last minute. I don't know. There's almost no way that it was kind of like, Oh, shit, I didn't realize they sold a Saudi real. We can't sign this guys. We can't do it. Yeah. I have nothing to add. I truly have no no idea. Should we bring in our missile defense expert, who I think just joined the chat? We can't. He is the prince, the king or the prince of Tulsa itself mr. Bunky Perkins Fresh off just golf but louder this week. How was your I was your week out in Tulsa? I mean as you well know from the Netflix series

Tulsa is the epicenter of the golf world and this weekend clearly was my different Bunky welcome, man I'm thrilled to have you on the pod. It's I was I was following your tweets this week with baited breath. I'm curious if you could just kind of put it into into perspective. What did you know? What made you want to go watch and what'd you see up there? Okay, so I think with Tulsa, you have a smaller market, right? And so there's not as much competition.

with Tulsa, you have a smaller market, right? And so there's not as much competition. And so the, I guess the competition for eyeballs and patrons as it were, isn't as high as some markets. And so I think a lot of people were going out there to just kind of see what it was. And I think the crowds probably reflected that. So that's a positive thing I just said about Liv, mark it down because it will not always be that way.

It was kind of what I expected. There were some things that I liked and a lot of things that just were pretty disappointing. First off, like I got beat up in my mentions a lot this weekend by number one live bot, which I didn't even know was a thing. And now I'm well aware. Yeah, well aware. Oh, welcome. I'm a bunch of friends. Just give it a second is a lot of supers got in my ass this weekend. got it my ass this week. I did not have big rady to protect me. T.C. was busy. So all I did was post pictures of the golf course.

And it was, let's just say I got a mix from you as to what what I was showing. So here's the thing. Cedar Ridge, which is where they played, perfectly fine suburban country club. It really is. It's a fine golf course. It's a fine country club,

but there's one in every sizeable city in America, right? And I don't know why they wanted to play in Tulsa other than the fact that they have a bunch of Oklahoma state guys and Carson Creek probably wasn't an option because still water is not a very big town and so they want a little bit more of a draw and honestly the three or four best courses in town told them no. Obviously I was really sorry that Hill is going to tell them no. The Patriot which is in a wasso probably told them no because they have an affiliation with a full debon, which is in a wasso, probably told them no, because they have an affiliation

with a full debater, which also has a affiliation with the tour and probably doesn't want to be associated with the Saudi government. The Patriot would have been, not have been a little too long to notice. It really would have been a bridge too far, even for me, I think. And they didn't get a total country club for a number of reasons. I don't think logistically, TCC could have handled it. So Cedar Ridge it was. And I think a lot of it was also the membership probably at Cedar got tired of seeing these

world class events across town and decided they wanted themselves. So they basically hung their supers out to dry a little bit. I'm going to defend the bit. I'm gonna defend the supers. I'm defending them, note it on the record, defending the supers, because they probably were given a lot of lead time on this. I mean, Southern Hills knows years in advance,

whether that even this last one, which was, this last PGA, Chabin Championships, which was originally supposed to be held on the Trump, you know, golf course. In a year, Southern Hills was able to turn around. But Cedar didn't have much of a forewarning.

They also caught maybe some bad luck with weather because the grass in Oklahoma in May is a little touch and go, especially for a golf club that doesn't host majors regularly. I can tell you Southern Hills doesn't have the problems that Cedar Ridge does right now from a grass perspective, but that's just kind of what it is. And so I know for fact that they were laying sod out at that golf course last week, that tells you anything. So, but there were like notable, like really bad ground under repair type patches and fairways in some of the, in some of the T boxes that were up, not the ch probably maybe showed a little bit better on whatever TV it was on. Or we'll get to that in a second. And so, yeah, I do want to, like, don't completely shit on the, the, the supers here,

because they probably didn't have much of a chance. They probably did their best. I'm sure they did. And I'm sure they're working around the clock to get it as close as they could. But the fact remains that when you sit out on the driving ranch, which by the way is too short for professionals, you hit it into the street. Thank God they put a net up and Bryson will still hit it in the over it. There's literally a burned out house that stands right in front of the tee box for the driving range. So the aesthetic, while they're doing their best, man, it was still there.

I hate to say that. I wonder if maybe a low fireball has got in there and do it some, do an activation in that one of those houses. It could have been. I hope that was, that might have been the team house. It's a stray fireball. He could say, he could say I did like a couple of things though. If you want to hear about those of course totally I did I didn't mind the shotgun start. I didn't mind it has potential. It wasn't great. Like I was on the t box for Phil right his T-shot on Saturday. It was a lukewarm reception at best, which kind of sucks for

the second best player in the last 30, 40 years. Your video that you tweeted out, I couldn't, I couldn't stop laughing at it. You could hear all the kind of ambient, like, people around you. And I believe if I'm, if I'm remembered right, he's standing on the tee with Camtron Goli and Peter Ulyss. And the guy behind you or Friday or whatever, is just like, man, just very solvently. Like, that's a couple of the goats right there. That's right. Look, that's not a knowledgeable golf fan here in Tulsa.

Which is interesting. I wonder in other sports, I wonder how many of the goats never won on their tour. That's an interesting concept. That's a great point. But I think like it could be cool, I think, like a little more excitement, you get, it's cool that they kind of, yeah, if everybody warming up and then everybody goes, of course, it wants, I don't know how viable that is with like a huge field. Maybe it's something you could do on the

PGA tour, I'm like a thirsty Friday, just to change it up a little bit. It could be neat, I don't know, the music on the golf course, throughout the golf course, like no joke. There was a speaker at every green, every T-box, like it was incessant. And that's fine, like I didn't mind it, but like it completely like takes all this serious out of whatever the advantage like it it came across as like is this a member guest or is this like some of the quote-unquote

best players in the world playing on a golf tour. Like it I don't know it made it very unserious which you know sometimes off tournaments aren't supposed to be serious. Like, you know, there's a bunch of tournaments on a PGA tour that no one takes seriously, but that didn't lend to like any of the, I don't know, any of the legitimacy of it. Like if they're not going to take it serious, why should I? The work in crowds, I said, and I do think there were a lot of people out there that probably never been a professional golfer then before. And I mean, we were a lot of people out there that probably never been to a professional golf event before.

And I mean, we're growing the game. So those are a couple positives that I would say. They're trying, but man, they, there's a lot of work to be done. If they want to, I guess be a legitimate contender for eyeballs over the course of the next, more than just one season. Speaking of eyeballs, I mean, it came to, you know, I was kind of following some other

tours and other action. And then I saw the cam and brain and grace and Dustin Johnson were going to play off. So I was like, that's that's intriguing. I would like to watch that went to go flip on the CW. Apparently it was taken off the air at the six o'clock hour and I watched a little bit of family feud, which is always good. But Saul, I know you caught the end. Anything to report from the birdies and bogies? The only thing I saw was the playoff hole. It was left with the same feeling I've had watching the rest of them I'm like yeah There's a bunch of people there that are kind of there at a festival

It pungy you correct me if I'm wrong it kind of feels just like a big outdoor event that like all things considered You know if I I feel like I would like to go to it If it was like hey golf has come to town and there's a concert and all that if I didn't know all the things that went with it You know, I maybe have would have a totally different opinion of it to be like yeah, that's fine I would I would have a totally different opinion of it. And be like, yeah, that's fine. I would enjoy that. I'd like to end up on the other end, bummed that like the top golfers in the world choose to compete there and do a whole bunch of other shit on the back end

to make kind of miserable on everyone left playing in professional golf. It's just the same exact feeling every time I watch it. Yeah, and good news, DJ, you weren't the only one that had the channel changed on you. I live three minutes from that golf course and I did the same thing you did when I saw the gun to a playoff a black well. So the two largest markets in the state and which their plane didn't see it. So that's an issue. That's, yeah, that seems like something to maybe look into.

Yeah. Well, one of the other things take away is just in the, I always very interested in just the game operations, right? Like the logistics of the whole thing. Big logistics guy. Totally. So Cedar Ridge is kind of,

it's not actually in Tulsa, it's a broken era, but you wouldn't know the difference like it all just kind of runs together. All the roads going in that golf course are two lane roads, right? So that's already, that's gonna be best for both. Number two is really nowhere to park. So here's what they did.

They bust people from oral Roberts University to the golf course, which that's a whole not a conversation about a ultra conservative Christian university facilitating the shipping of people to a Saudi back to vent. I'm not gonna get into that right now. That's above what I will to speak on. But the create the like the logistics part of that is. So I would like I said, I don't love a couple minutes from the golf course had I done that, which I didn't because I'm special and and able to get there without having to do that.

I would have to drive like 10 to 15 minutes to Royal Roberts University, like north away from the golf course. They get on a bus and backtrack the entire way for like 20 minutes back to the golf course. There's no way I'm doing that. People didn't, but yeah, and so it was not the easiest thing to get to certainly. But hey, the people, people tell us a person of ear, I guess. Man, well, did you get any good, uh, we'll get you out of here. I know you're, uh, you got,

you're probably going to the trophy presentation or something. But, uh, at least get after party. I'm kind of hoping it's going to be after party. Right. Get some, get some shrimp cocktail. So, uh, let me call me, I'll meet carbon station.

Uh, G, uh, G you at least merge hard out there? I bought one bit of merch. I would not let myself leave without buying a fireballs hat. Um, that I guarantee you the next of the way and up a bit, I will be wearing. Um, I wanted to buy a tron a yard goats t Goats t-shirt, but when they were able to get back to Brainscoots Yard Goats, it might be whatever, sorry, Brainscoots, which actually they are, I could say at least in Tulsa, they are by far the most popular team.

That's what I was going to ask. Yeah, how did the fan bases like shake out? Yeah, I think it was. Anything ironheads fans out there? Yeah, how did the fan bases like shake out? Yeah, I think it was any big iron heads fan. Kevin Nah was not in demand. You know, shocking. Yeah, it was a big, the kids loved the range goats. I don't know if it's the logo or whatever,

but yeah, big range goats, the merch itself is so disappointing. It's a lot of it's a lot of rob blow-esque like NFL hats but it's very off you know there's very little branding involved I'm sure that they don't have a lot of options when it comes to like suppliers I'm sure you know like the holders and borns of the world are lining up to sell to the the live folks. But $100 for golf shirt, turn that down.

Yeah. You know, I don't know how it could justify that to the wife on Mother's Day weekend. But other than that, yeah, I did pick up a sweet farball's hat that I'm excited about. Well, good. Well, Bunkyunky thanks for thanks for hopping on again Always fun to follow your experience. I think any event you go to is always a always a treat for for the people of Twitter So thanks for hopping on go balls, I guess that's right go balls Sorry, you got radicalized by the by the live bots and now you're a PGA tour de writer now by default. So welcome to the squad. Well, if that's the worst thing people call me, I'll be fine.

Thanks, Bunky. See you, buddy. See you guys. Man, I wish my wife I had it wasn't cutting out during bonkers, but we're back. And I love that guy. That guy's just got the best takes on Twitter. He's one of the best followers. But Phil Mikkelson, not quiet anymore. He was quiet for a really long time, really astonishingly long time. He told us he was

going to be quiet on things going forward. And things seems to have changed since the Masters or since he's, you know, a T2 finish at the Masters or maybe even slightly before that. But through a couple of darts, a lot of people, we should start with firing shots at the collusion or a melanch. Let's go with the collusion. We have a deleted, I believe we would believe this multiple times. And you're going to have to forgive both DJ and myself because it's kind of difficult to piece this part of the podcast together when we're both blocked by Phil on Twitter. But he said PGA tour or sorry, PGA uses OWGR to get in 103 Tringali, 111

Munoz, 110 Cochrack out 128 Hossler in colluding with Tor and against Liv three years from now, who is most likely to be here monohan or Liv, we won't forget you to one. Wow. I mean, three years from now, I guess I think I'll probably take that bet, but we'll revisit that. Maybe send an alarm three years from now. I don't know, man. I guess all I kind of have to say on this is like the maybe the most relatable thing about Phil these days is that he's just turned into like an internet poisons guy who just can't log off. It's like same. Right? I, you know, I've gone through those same ebbs and flows and it's just you can't log off. It's like same, right? I've gone through those same abs and flows and

it's just you can't resist the temptation of the sweet, sweet temptation of posting. I guess good to see him on that same drug. I will not log off. I'm not owned. I've been working on this kind of column that I don't know if we'll ever push across the finish line at all, but just like, man, Phil has sent us on a 30 year like thrill ride, which is what made like what happened last year such a shock in terms of You know the comments that came out the scary motherfuckers comment, which actually maybe for the first time ever muted him like he actually stopped talking like for the first time ever Retrieved apologize to the Saudis of course not to anyone else, but first time ever, I apologize to the Saudis, of course, not to anyone else, but and kind of retreated and became a Yeti and no one heard from him for months.

And he emerged and was throwing a bunch of questions at the US open and he just stood there and said the dumbest things in terms of like, yeah, I respect that. I respect that. I respect it. You know, I've voiced too much stuff, but that's I've done too much stuff in public. And I'm just going to keep some of these things behind closed doors now. And he continued like that for a long time. And that phase is over.

He is back. He is going to continue launching stuff. He has started a tie rate against Aiman Lynch as well. When Aiman wrote a, wrote an article kind of going again piece by piece dismantling. The, the week arguments that live has for world ranking points and the collusion and all this stuff. And Phil replies, nice piece of fiction

in reality, your blind trust and PGA tours, comical given their under investigation for countless antitrust violations that have now been expanded to include PGA of America, USGA and Augusta National Golf Club, should it include you too? Probably, see you next week. That's it, Phil, curiously knows a heck of a lot include PGA of America, USGA, and Augusta National Golf Club, should it include you too? Probably. See you next week.

That's a filled curiously knows a heck of a lot about these investigations, which is maybe stick a pin in that and we can come back to that at a certain point. But yeah, you might have a lot of field experience in this region, but yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I'm just some worn out.

I'm kind of worn out if I'm being honest and the OWGR stuff is is wearing me out I mean this week is another sweet example of like Andy Ogletree slotting in as the alternate during the third round is like, oh, how do you how do you figure out those OWGR points? How do you like there's just I think the PGA championship like there was you, the stuff that came out late last week about like how they were filling the field and the special PGA championship points list and all this stuff. Like I'm kind of getting to the point where I think the OWGR conversation is so cut and dry, like, uninteresting to me at this point, where it's like, dude, you're not hitting the qualifications. Ergo, you're not getting points like that. That's so case interesting to me at this point where it's like, dude, you're not hitting the qualifications, air go, you're not getting points like that.

That's so case closed to me. However, like this thing where the PGA is kinda like making it up as they go and kind of, some people are getting invited and some people aren't and we've got a list, but some people are special exemptions, but some people aren't included and that's where, I'm like, yeah, that fucking sucks too. Like, I'm kinda at the point where it'm like, yeah, that fucking sucks too. Like I'm kind of at the point

where it's like with these majors, like, man, if I think it's clear from the masters that like the certain live players like deserve to be there and are going to contend and are going to make tournaments better, right? And if they're good enough players to compete, yes, that's a different question than qualifying, but yes. But if you're, if you're one of these, like, if you're one of these majors and you're trying to have the best field possible, like, I would have absolutely no problem. If they just said, like, hey, we chose to pick these guys because off of the live tour because they're playing really golf and really good golf. And we think that they're going to be, you know, strong additions to the field.

I would say, oh, awesome. Sounds great. I can't wait to see how they play. But like now with all the investigations and stuff, like I guess they probably need to make it as black and white as possible. And they need to go off of the OWGR, but like allowing Honourbon LaHiri in based on like number eight in the OWGR when he hasn't earned a point in a year is it's all like, it's all just like so convoluted and boring and bureaucratic and kind of stupid at this point that it's kind of making me lose interest.

Yeah, again, I've, I, I, I'll come back to this every single week if I have to to say like the OWGR is the majors and the major tours. All right, that's, that's, that's what it is. It's not separate from that. It's what it is. It's those guys coming together saying, here's the golf you need to play anywhere around the world. Any anywhere around the world. It's got to be 72 holes. It's got to be feeder tour. You got to have a, you know, an open system like your spot needs to be in jeopardy. Basically, like you have to have earned your spot onto this tour. You got to play against really

competitive players. You got to beat those players to earn the points and you got to do it a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot. There's a huge waiting out system to get to the point to earn OWGR points, right? There's 32 tours to do it, but a lot of them don't get a lot of points. So you gotta beat the best players in the world to do it. That's what they've decided. If you wanna go play in our four round, championship, stroke play, non-team related golf tournament,

you need to play in similar tournaments around the world to prove that you're eligible for it, right? It doesn't say like, hey, just because you wanna major, you know, just because you are brain and grace and you've been a good player for a long time, like you have in perpetuity, you can come and show up at the majors. Like you can go play in non-qualified events,

48 or 54-hole, 48-man field, limited field, no qualification, no spots in check, like Graham McDowell's spot is not in jeopardy, Phil McElson's spot is not in jeopardy. Phil Mickelson spot is not in jeopardy. They've signed long term contracts like that's their qualification for that tour. The golf just doesn't count like it doesn't count like it's not the same. It's totally not the same. They can't measure it in the same way they're measuring all of the rest of the golf world.

So even though like the special exemption category, I agree with you. Like kind of an eye test kind of thing of like dude is Taylor Goots like playing good golf. Yeah agree with you. Kind of an eye test kind of thing of like, dude, it's Taylor Goots like playing Good Golf. Yeah, probably. I don't really know if we have enough data. To really understand what exactly a win on that tour means, but like he's obviously very good at golf. So yeah, sure, like if you want to invite him and invite him, but that doesn't mean the whole tour is going to get world ranking points and that all of a sudden the whole system is going to get uprooted. Like it's just not, the two things are not separate. It's, the live guys are all trying to keep saying,

they said in a million times, like the OWGR is obsolete. It's obsolete, it doesn't rank the best players in the world, it's a qualification system. Everyone else is doing it. You wanna play in the events that are put on by these organizers that made the OWGR, like that you wanna play in their system, you have to, that's,

it's not going to change for you. Like, I don't know why you think it will. And I know you're trying to win this publicly in the press and you're just not going to. And I guess where some of my boredom is coming from is the trump card of like, if it gets so out of whack that the majors are, you know, all these things that people on Twitter are saying, like come to fruition, right? And it's like, oh, the majors are just irrelevant. These are, these are, you know, these these things that people on Twitter are saying, like come to fruition, right? And it's like, oh, the majors are just irrelevant. These are, these are, you know, these aren't real fields. But majors can change it on a dime at any time that they want.

Sure. And so that's where I'm kind of like, it's very clear that like the answer to this is not going to end up being like, well, now you get OWGR points, it's probably going to end up being that, okay, we're just going to like come up with a different system. And so this weird in-between lands of everybody's pissed off, but everything is where I'm kinda like, ready to opt out. It's way harder to make the case to do this publicly to be like, if you're a live guy,

what you really should be saying, and I've said this before, is like, hey, I want you to make a special rules on. I want you to change the rules for us, right? We knew the rules when we left, but we're so darn good at golf, and what we're doing is so crazy valuable to your events that like, we want you to change the rules because of us. Like, please change the rules for us. I know everyone else has got to play with them, but we are special. We deserve the special rules. I know we're playing

less golf, and I know we didn't qualify for this tour, but we are so special that you got to change everything for this qualification. How ridiculous does that sound? There's a reason why they they try to just, you know, tear them down in the way that they do. Yeah. And I think the other thing that sucks about like where we're going to end up like on a week like next week, right? Like the live guys were a massive, massive, massive, maybe almost, you know, next to Ram, like the story of the week at the masters, right?

Phil playing well, Brooks playing well, all of these things were like really, really like substantive and very interesting to the golf and relevant to the golf. And now we're back in, okay, well, the PGA championship is run by the PGA of America, which is probably very closely aligned with the PGA tour. And so now we have no live guys in the press room. We're not going to hear from Phil. We're not going to hear from Brooks. We're not going to hear from Cam Smith. We're not going to hear from Dustin Johnson. We're going to pretend like they don't exist. And it just, unless they basically like forced their way onto the leaderboard.

And again, it just is, we don't know that they, that they didn't invite them to have pressers, right? I mean, maybe they don't know. The list is out. The list is out. But Brooks could have said like, no, I don't want to do a presser. I don't want to do a presser. Like we don't know exactly how or why, but and I'm still adamant that like, Hey, major championship golf is very different than PGA

tour golf. And like, I don't, I hope Brooks kept good plays well this week. I hope, you know, the only reason I wouldn't want that is because the fucking idiots online that just troll people are like, we'll act like it's some win for, for live, which is just like not what the conversation is about. It's not about who has better players. It's not about, I don't even know what it's about at this point, but like this is totally different and it's, it's endless, and it's a complicated. I totally understand the people that like aren't fully versed in all this stuff to be like, well, I wouldn't want like the best players in the world in the event.

And on the surface, that makes perfect sense. It really does. But we're also talking about Taylor Gooch, who's the Taylor Gooch comp on the PGA tour? Is it like, who is it at this point? I mean, Wyndham Clark. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. You know Taylor Gooch's name because he like

controversially left for live. People are not talking about Taylor Gucci before he left for live. He said the same himself. He's like, I felt like the hot girl at the party that people are starting to pay attention to me now. Right. Like they just have these dudes that end up being these lighting rods for the topic more than it is actually about the players that are not getting in. Like if you if if Gucci never went to live and he played good golf in the PJ tour, but didn't qualify for the the players that are not getting it. Like if you if if Gooch never went to live, and he played Goodgolf and PJ Tor, but didn't qualify for the event, you wouldn't have been like, oh, this event is cheap and because Taylor Gooch is not in the field. That's just not how how it works.

Yeah, I agree. So Simon Forström won in Belgium and then LPGA, Mengy Lee and Jin Young Coal, Coal duel. I was flying during the back half of that and missed a fair amount, which I deeply, deeply regret. But Menji Lee had a horrific three-butt in the playoff from like 15 feet. It happened very quickly. She has some more to beat tonight. I don't understand what happened. Just a weird, weird blackout, man. It was, God, it was a fun. I wish I would watch more of it this week, but it's a really fun end of the tournament to watch there with always, like, who doesn't like watching Jin Young Co. Play golf. I mean, that's just a stunning golf swing and always fun to have her at

the top. Ditto for everything I just said about Minji Lee. Kind of like about as good of a one, two punches as you're going to, you could ask for on the LPGA. So and the golf course looks stellar too. 67 from Jin Young Co in the final round including a bomb birdie on 18 to get into the playoffs. And yeah, you're right. The golf course was freaking awesome. It's just again, another event that has a lot more identity than the Chevrolet championship did in terms of like feeling like major championship bonafides just strictly because of the golf course. Yeah, I'd love to play there. I think it would eat me alive, but I would definitely play there. All right, golf is an unforgiving sport and hitting into the hazard sometimes is

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Yeah, we are very excited to be working with the folks at Omaha productions to do some stuff on ESPN plus. We're going to do a bit of a alternate broadcast, manning cast, simul cast, whatever, all the kinds of casts from 10 to one on Saturday and Sunday on ESPN plus. So it'll be, I think, four of us each day just shopping it up over some featured groups coverage featured holes coverage kind of you know part podcasts part analysts. Part kind of hang out type of type of vibe and very, very excited and you know thrilled they asked us to do it. I can't wait. Yeah, this is something we've we've long people have long, long tried to ask us to do to kind of do a live feed during broadcast. Listen, there's some, there you want the birdies and bogies in the serious golf talk, you can find that on ESPN with SVP and the gang there.

But if we're just gonna kinda, we've done a test run that was really, really, really fun. We were all shocked at how fun it was to do, just sit and talk about trees in the middle of fairways and quirky stuff that, you know, look, it's gonna be just a little different than what you're gonna fly on the main telecast, but hopefully people find entertaining. And we're excited to kind of try to be a part of a little bit change

and some golf coverage that we are so picky on. And I've been for many years, we're getting a couple good opportunities to do this in the coming months. Well, I think one of the other really fun things about it too is the fact that it is from, I think I keep pulling this name, but I keep pulling this time, but it's 10 to 1, right? 10 to 1 a.m. Eastern or 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. Eastern times. Yeah, so I think the fact that it's before the leaders go off, the fact that it's kind of like Sikko's only time and it doesn't need to be a super serious, you know, like kind of day, it's a time to kind of reflect on a lot of stuff

that's already happened during the week. And, you know, we can build on some of the stuff we talk about during the live shows, which I should mention. Nothing's changing with the podcast. Nothing changing with the live shows. If you like your live show, you keep your live show. But just a good time to get together and kind of shoot the shit and have a good time before the leaders T off.

Yeah, we'll probably a different crew on Saturday than we'll have on Sunday, probably before the five of us cycling in in some way, which we're still figuring out, but got some, got some moving parts. I'm going to be out for a fair amount of next week, actually. My wife is getting her, she got a graduation from our MBA program. So I'm going to, I'm going to miss, I'm going to miss more than my one designated event. I just want to get on in front of that and make sure that's all communicated to all the squad.

Here to lose your pit money. Yeah. I'm willing to give it up for this one. This is one ton of lifetime thing. And then also, Mouscreddit, first credit to James Colgan from golf.com for sharing that we'll be a part of a program, a new program on peacock for the US Open, which is an alternative broadcast that kind of a concept that they threw out to us,

they proposed to us that I think is really, we were surprised, I think it's fair to say with how much criticism we've lobbed towards both NBC and CBS in past years that they'd be interesting kind of partnering with us on a program like this, but some sort of a red zone style channel where it's kind of dropping in on feature groups and we're still TBD on who the

co-host of that will be with myself but really excited about doing that. That's going to be a four-day thing rolling out for the US Open at LACC. I'll be doing it from the from the studio in Stanford. I'll be doing it but another challenge, another surprise that something we weren't necessarily expecting or not necessarily what the end game was for us, but a chance to be a part of maybe some alternate coverage that, look, we were especially hard on it last year when the commercial load just got absolutely insane. And Mike Wands said something about, he responded by tweet about it, said, yeah, I'm on it. Like, we're going to change this. And I think again, this is a very different thing than what's going to be on the main broadcast. And an alternative viewing topic for for golf fans on peacock. So can't wait, can't wait to watch.

And we're really appreciate all the kind words from and of support that we've received over the last week, supporting this initiative. And yeah, if kind of our first time doing this, so I don't know exactly how it's going to go. I know we're going to try and we're going to keep trying to make it better. I'm guessing the second time we do it will be better than the first and I'm guessing the third time we better than the second. But we're going to keep trying and we're happy to have you take the risk and go for it. So should we talk a little Italy?

We should. This section is brought to you by BMW, a worldwide partner of the 2023 Ryder Cup BMW will be electrifying the Ryder Cup with a fully electric fleet of vehicles for players and officials this September. Why man, we went over cut the end of the Italian open at Marcos Simone. Shout out to the guy Adrian Moronco. Adrian, the big Moronco ski, one, the Italian open. And we tore it around Italy. We got some some pizza. We got some positive.

We got some wine, we had a tremendous time, we've shot a wonderful video. The crux of which is us playing Marcos Simone for the first time, documenting it all, documenting our thoughts. But listen, people are gonna have to wait for that video, it's not gonna come out now, but we do these right-of-the-cup check-ins every month,

and I thought there'd be no better topic than for us to react to what we saw at Marcos Simone. I know a lot of Americans are not familiar with the golf course, even a lot of Europeans don't seem to know a whole lot about the golf course. I haven't been there in person. So how do you want to do this, Pie Man? Because there's a lot to discuss here, I think. I feel like I've been slotted in as the public defender of the Marcos Simone. You know, I woke up this morning. I wasn I wasn't quite sure what kind of case I was going to be taking on, but I'm happy to, I'm happy to do that. And I say that because,

you know, I think as it'll become pretty clear to the court here, my fellow litigators is not a big fan of the golf course. So I'm happy to try to balance the scales just a little bit. And I guess what I would say your honor is, you know, what is the Ryder Cup about really, if it's not about highlighting our differences and our similarities? And I think a big difference in how we play golf over here in the States and how they like to set up Ryder cups over across the pond is going to be on display

here at Marcus Simone. It is really, really tight as far from a fairway perspective. It's a giant piece of property, not a tight type piece of property. Giant piece of property on a hillside, about what, 30 minutes kind of north of the city center of Rome. It feels like you are out in the Italian countryside. It feels very rural. It feels pretty far away from the city. And it almost feels a little like, like there's a lot of elevation change out there. It is on a pretty dramatic hillside. Again, it's big sprawling piece of property, but it is, the rough is up already. And it was up for the Italian Open. We got to watch some train wrecks in action out there. Adrian Moronks still somehow shot 13 under for the week and I think

remain like ask shot 62 on Saturday. So it's physically possible. I don't really know how, but it's a really it's an uncomfortable uncomfortable test out there. What was your initial reaction? First of all, let me just say, I'm usually pretty easy on Ryder Cup courses. I don't, you know, I think a match play stage. I might have the clerk pull some files on that. I'll say, I come in with open mind in terms of like what it is, right? I don't necessarily critique the architectural aspects of golf courses when it comes to event like the Ryder Cup.

It's more about the venue, it's more about hosting people, you know, creating exciting golf, it creating exciting atmosphere, you know, just, is it something you want to be a part of? I've been to, I went to the Ryder Cup at Medina, I went to Hazeltein, I went to Whistling Straits, and I went to France. I would say by far the bestina, I went to Hazeltein, I went to Wistengstraitz and I went to France. I would say by far, the best of any of those was Hazeltein.

And Medina probably a close second in terms of just a great atmosphere and a fun, a exciting promotion of the game of golf through the setup. Medina was won by the Europeans, but I had no issue with the setup of that tournament. I thought it was set up for exciting golf shots for good shot value. A lot of birdies and a lot of cheering and a lot of chance for recovery shots. And I know the rough was down a little bit for that, but it was just fun.

People were chipping in from from all over the place, draining puts and it was one with birdies. A lot of it felt like it was one with birdies. Justin Rose obviously had some issues with the setup at Hazeltein, set it was similar to a Pro-M, putting all the pins in the middle of the greens, shaving the rough down. I think Nadell slightly exaggerated, I would say it was, that kind of fits the mold

in terms of like, hey, create a stage for an exciting golf tournament to be played on and listen to that US team was a lot better than the European team and they beat him pretty handily. I thought the golf national was such a strong revert. I didn't think Lenny goes was a bad setup. I didn't think there was anything that was stunning about that, shocking about that.

I thought that European team was just flat out better than the US team, shout Tom Watson. There was nothing about that that felt like, wow, they just played that home set up to a perfection. And they manipulated the golf course. And I didn't feel that at all about Glenn Eagles. I don't know if you feel differently, but felt like since we showed up at LaGolf National, it was like, this is a new era.

And what we're going to do, and I'm sorry to say this, but what we're going to do is we're going to done this game down. And it's going to become a, if you're going to miss the fairway, like there is no shot of recovery. There is no element to be played here. There's no, the punishment for missing a fairway, a foot off of it is going to be horrific. It's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be punch out central. Like I don't know, we didn't see the route to these guys shooting these numbers at 1300

par or whatever it was. There's, there's like a bunch of drivable fours. There's par fives. There's places to make birdies, but there are so many golf holes that I think are going to be just not fun to watch the golf on because of how thick the rough is, how insane they have pinched these fairways in,

they have waist high, lose your golf ball rough, like between the tease and the bunkers, like that's how far that has crept into the fairways on top of it being on the side of a mountain with like elevated perched up greens with catch basins. It's like all of the possible offensive sensibilities you could have in a golf course are all present all combined into one and I was stunned. I was told like I was taken aback by this golf course and reports I'd heard all along were kind of like,

yeah, it's the only hillside. It's kind of, it's whatever. Yeah, you might not like it, but like you can't really manipulate it too much. Like, no, it's already been manipulated. Like it's insane. I've never seen rough like that. It's like crabgrass too.

It's not like normal northern, like rye that you can blast balls out of. It's like, just feels like you're gonna hurt yourself. There's a part of the video where I was pretty darn close to see your say, injuring myself in it. And I, I, I, I didn't like it. Didn't like it, man. And I know it sparks a million.

I'd sounds like butt hurtedness. And I, I texted Jamie Weir immediately. And he was like, he was bitching about hazel teen immediately about it. It's like, no, did you guys have to see this? And you're probably gonna see what I'm talking about because I just don't think this is it. I totally donel Tina immediately about it. I was like, no, did you guys have to see this? And you're probably going to see what I'm talking about because I just don't think this is it. I totally don't think this is it. And the worst offense of it all is I don't think

it's going to promote exciting golf. It might be closer at the end, like it might be Europe's way of making it closer. And I believe that's what my opponent here is going to make the case for. I just think the route to getting there is going to be like really, really, really tough. And I hope I'm wrong.

I hope they do some stuff with that rough between now and then, but by all intents, like by all indications, it might even be worse and tighter by the time the tournament rolls around a few months. Yeah, I think that there's almost two different ways to come at this. I think you can come at it from, I think where you're probably coming at it from is I am going to watch every single shot of every single day. Like I show me every shot of the Ryder Cup. I cannot get enough. I'm not going to turn it off ever. And that's where I think what everything you're saying is a lot more, you know, is very heightened, right? I think there's also a lot of golf fans who are just like, man, just make it close on Sunday.

And I just want to watch the last like two hours and, you know, watch some do-or-die golf. And in a way, I think like if Randy was here, he would be like, spraining his neck from nodding so hard after all these things that you're listing as negatives. Just like, how much he would view them as positives? where like I think there's going to be a lot, it's going to be a bit of the pampered F's championship out there this week or out there during the Ryder Cup

because I think the hard part of that is like, yeah, but really, like doesn't watch the golf that much, right? I mean, I think that's kind of a good representation of like the bulk of what I'm saying. Totally. I think there's a lot of people who would ride much harder for just making a close championship than like show me shop values. And I'm not saying like I think I'm more in the shop values case. But I think there's something like I'm not totally discounting that opinion either. I think I just I truly do think and people get this in their head that they enjoy watching guys struggle

out of the rough. And I think you like enjoy it like 10 minutes like, ah, sick. Okay. And then you go do something else, right? You sit there and you're like, I'm going to keep watching guys hack this out of the rough on repeat. That's where I get my thrill. I think that the exception to that might be something like the rider cup though, where

it is, it's match play. You're not like, there's nobody, you know, if you make a triple, it doesn't matter. I think like in a situation like that, I think it is more interesting than at, you know, the rock and mortgage or wherever they like decide to grow up the rough. And it's a very, you know, kind of nondescript PGA tour event. I think at a place like this, it is very, this is going to drive you crazy. I know, but it's kind of the course is the course, both both teams are playing it. And like, dude, if I would rather have the, I, we've well documented TPC Craig ranch. I'd rather have the rider cup of Craig ranch than then Marco Simone. And that's not the case. But it's like at least a stage for like, all right, go do some shit.

Like, all right, go shoot 61. And like, that will make for an interesting match. It's like watching dudes try to match each other for birdie for birdie. The thing I had about the golf national is like, holes were decided on the tee. It's like, oh, Brooks got like, kept going miss the fairway. Like, they're going to lose this hole. Like, it's over. I think golf is more exciting when it's more about the approach shots and the putts in match play. And that element was lost. Like, Medina was not about, you know, got watching guys hack it out of the rough and it created some of the most exciting, most incredible comeback we've ever seen in the Ryder Cup.

And I think the stage has something to do with that. I just, I, I don't know, maybe I didn't watch enough of the Italian open to fully weigh on this, but like we walked around and watch like Marcel Seym, just shoot 42 on the front and then like hit it back into the hay again. I mean, I'm talking like waist deep. We're not talking about like five inch rough here. We're talking about waist deep rough, not far off some 12 yard wide fairways. And I'm even talking about some of the tough parts of the design, the bends in the fairways, the narrowing at the parts where they want to actually land the ball. Like I, I, I am, I, and this is, I know exactly how this is going to sound on the European side that I'm getting out in front of when the US loses this thing,

whatever, say whatever you want about that. I'm just like truly walked off. It was a horrible golf course to play for like a, even as like a scratch player, eight handicap, nine handicap, you can also probably report not a fun golf course to play. And I don't think it's going to be that entertaining watch pro golf on it. Again, you don't go to Rome for the rider cup for the golf course. I think it's like, dude, we got to make do with what we have here, but it's more about it going to Rome.

I get all that, but I also knew all that going in. And I was still this offended like still this upset about it. Yeah. And I guess again, I don't have a lot to like refute. I mean, like, go look at the third hole. It's, it's not good. Like it's, it's bad. It's bad. Go look at the 13th, the 14th hole. It's, it's, it's not good. It's, I don't know what to tell you from a classic golf course design standpoint. Like it's not good. But as I said, walking off the golf course in Italy, like the Italy of it

kind of carries the day for me. And like, I guess where I'm at, I'm not saying you are doing this, but I'm not gonna let it ruin the next five months of my life. Like, is it a shitty golf course? Like, yeah, it is, but who cares? It's also the Ryder Cup. I think it's going to make it a closer competition

because I think it's gonna put, as you said, while we're there, kind of puts everything into a blender and almost introduces a little bit more randomness, which I know sucks from a, like we're there, kind of puts everything into a blender. It almost introduces a little bit more randomness, which I know sucks from a, like, we're trying to identify the best player standpoint. At the same point, like, we just kind of wanted to be as close as possible. And if they went and played at Hazel team

with, like, what looks like these two teams are going, like, the way they look like they're going to shape up, it would be as lopsided as the last one. Like, it would not be close. And I think this does promote at least a little bit of a closer tournament. I think it gives us a lot of stuff to bitch and complain and talk about and we can fly takes around. I think there's going to be a couple of hilarious moments of guys punching out of the rough.

And I think it's kind of interesting, man. Like I know it's not as interesting as recovery shots. It's not as interesting as a lot of the stuff that you are talking about. I agree with all of that. But I think there is something to be said for your matches on the line. 18th hole, like hit the fucking fairway. Like there is something to be said for that. And I know that shouldn't be the entire game, but it's kind of interesting when

that is now a little bit of a two. Conflating a lot of things in this though, but like how interesting is it when that's also in playing through, right? I mean, it's not, like, T-Shots are not very highly emphasized on the telecast. Like, that's what the golf nationality, we just like pop in on a match and be like, oh, yeah, this one's over because so and so is in his pocket already. And blah, blah, blah. You don't, they don't like tell that part of the story very well. And it just doesn't translate the great entertainment product. Like I close does not necessarily

equate being interesting. Also, the golf national was not close. Like they wax the shit out of them. They, they, they whoop the shit out of them in a noninteresting way. And I don't know. Hey, again, I had no issues with whales. I thought that was fine. K-club, I don't remember it being offensive in any way. I don't, you know, again, Glenn Eagles was, I thought, a totally fine setup. I overall concerned, and I've said this on the US ones too. Like, we're trending too far into home field advantage, right? It just don't, I don't know if that's going to be a positive for the rider cup. I hope I'm wrong. I hope it's exciting. I hope the rough is maybe whisperer.

I don't know how the economy works in that part of the world, but I would have to think it would, I mean, I'm so over my skis here, but I would think with how hot it would get mid-summer, like it has to thin out a little bit. I don't think it was so like juicy and super, super, super thick. I don't know that they're necessarily going to like mo it, but it's got to just try it a little bit because of heat I would think over the next couple of months. And again, I don't, I don't, I know it's going to get conflated, but I don't want to conflate the fact that like the US team has like all the time in the world to prepare themselves for this. Like I felt like they were unprepared for France. Yeah,

for whatever. I just felt like they got punched in the face during a practice round. that golf course. And they were unprepared to compete on it. The team they brought over there, wow, I do excuse how they ended up with their four captains picks. They all made a lot of sense. It just was the immediately recognized that that was the wrong team for that golf course. They, I don't know if this is straight draw. I've tried to get with the data golf guys

to figure out what they think data-wise, like what the emphasis actually is. And I think 2023 is going to be a different year to look at the numbers compared to 21 and 22. They they told me that it does favor great drivers, both in accuracy and length, which is kind of rare. But you know, with the rough up this much, does it mean more in accuracy? I'd have to look at I'd have to gather more data on that. But I'm not saying kids are needs to be on the team, but I just saying like all these dudes need to be prepared for exactly what's in front of them and what they're gonna get punched with,

because I know the European team's gonna be prepared for this course. I know they're making a scouting trip for it, and they'll have plenty of time to react to it, but this is the same gut punch to the face, or I don't know how you gut punch to the face, through the gut up all the way to the face, that look out of the national. Your honor, my opponent is talking nonsense here.

Declare mistro. Sustained. We'll see. That is definitely my reaction to the golf course. And you'll be able to see all of our golf shots that we recorded on said golf course. So what else you got? Sun J1 on the Korean tour, the week before a major championship. The guy just cannot stop playing golf. Just loves golf loves the game. Just the backboard incident at the regions of the Champions event this past week was the

most egregious thing I've ever seen. It was a par five with down the hill with the the the grandstands, what half a yard long of the green sometimes like 20 feet past the pin. Dude just launching it into the backboard and back onto the green. That was the worst case of backboarding I've seen yet. Yeah, it's, I don't know, it's, there almost seemed to be like one up in each other at this point. Just who can get those grandstands a little closer. I think all I had left in my, in my notepad here is, see, we've looking very close to anchoring. I'm not saying he's anchoring.

It's just tough. It's, I've caught, looked up a couple times at the TV. He was like, man, how, I don't know, that, that looks pretty close. I think two, what is Michael Cors getting with Austin Ecroat, you think? I just, I felt like a very strange partnership to me. We'd love to learn more about how that came together. And then I think third, just, you know, while I've got your riled up about the Ryder Cup stuff, oh no. Can we talk about the Scotty, the loose impediments thing on, I don't know what hole that was like

13 or 14. Oh yeah, let's do this. He was in kind of the right shit. And he had a bunch of mulch and he called the rules official over to ask about loosen pediments. Again, I want to say this upfront, he did everything within the rules. There was nothing like out of bounds here. I am here for the DJ Pi school. I want the curriculum of selective rulings for you. Let me see the whole thing. You just tell me why you think that this is like within the spirit of the rule when he said, I just want to make sure all this mulch is like

loose impediments. And the guys like, yep, it is. And then he just starts grabbing handfuls of mulch from like six feet in front of his ball and moving them out of the way. And the announcers are, of course, like, well, you know, that smart. Of course, he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to, you know, his ball to hit any of this as he's trying to hit a low punch out. It's like, yeah, no shit, man. Like that's, that's like the game of golf. So like, yeah, well, unfortunately, this hill is in my way. So let me just like move it out of the way. That's just that, that really rubbed me the wrong way. And I know it probably happens a million times at every event. But like, loosen pediments, I think are supposed to be like, hey, I need to make a stance.

Hey, I need to, you know, my club face is going to really like be impacted in a weird way at, at, you know, at impact. Let me move this twig from behind my ball. Not like, let me go up seven feet in front of the ball and just start excavating so that I can hit this punch shot out. So let me, a lot of rules and rules and rulings don't pass the eye test, right? On TV, like, it looks pretty, it doesn't look great. Just be grabbing mulch and moving out of the way. So write the rule for me. What would, what would the rule be? That's the, that's the, that's the, the, the way you got to do this. Use your best judgment. Don't be a scumbag situation. But I just get so frustrated. Again, like I, I know what the problem is. I'm, I'm not presenting a

solution. I'm aware of that. It's just I get so, I don't know. I get so bent out of shape. I get so mad as hell at all these guys are like, bad, it's such a gentleman's game, man. That's the great thing about golf, such a gentleman's game, until it becomes like, what the fuck? I hit it in the right rough. I should not, I need to have a whole,

I need to have a route to the hole. This is bullshit. Get a rules official over here. Well, how can I stretch these rules the biggest possible way? And it's just, you know, wraps me the wrong way. It's not good. It's, I don't know where you define the line on loose impediment.

I think it's tricky because the rules official that was in the booth was like, yeah, I just got to make sure you don't grab any dirt. It's like, well, what happens if you grab some dirt that's on a piece of mulch? I don't. It's a, it's a, it's a blurry line there, if you will. But it doesn't I don't know rules Twitter. I'm sure we'll get we'll disagree, but it doesn't feel all that different to the Patrick Reed excavating situation.

He could have just sat there for 20 fucking minutes and picked loose impediments from behind his club instead of pushing it all back. Same thing grains of sand are not considered loose impediments. And so that's same with like the dirt in the ground is not considered a loose impediment. So that and also that was in his swing path. I think that's also still a little different. So I don't know. It's not good. I mean, if you I would say like you're you're you answer your questions.

Probably you can't pick up loose impediments. Only on the green. Can you move loose impediments? I think it would probably be your answer. But they're actually went the opposite way now. And like in the bunkers. You know, to what you just wild out do pick it whatever you are So I don't know it's kind of a nothing burger to me But I enjoy watching you guys get worked up about which rules you care about which one's I'm especially going to be picky about this now after the Masters when when Brooks violated the rule and you guys are like I mean, you've come on.

He's fun. You're totally within your right to do that. However, this is like directly impacting like the path of his golf ball in the shot he's hitting. Brooks is like, you're getting Brooks on a, you know, technicality of whether you got picked up on camera giving club information to somebody, not the same thing. We don't have to re-litigate that. Not the same thing because one was a clear violation of the word.

That's really great. We're on the same page with that one. Anything else? We got them PGA, but ship preview podcast. We're going to record tomorrow. Should be out Tuesday about time you listen to this. Only the other thing, Lynn Grant won again. She is, I was I think 26 in the world coming

into this week, one again, and doesn't even play in America. So like, I got to think that number is going to be getting a lot smaller as she starts to play over here, which she can now because the Vax rules have been changed and she can now come compete on the OPGA tour. So yeah, I'm going to head out to Oak Hill for about a day and a half probably and I just want to see the golf course and I've been to any majors this, I've been to make it to this year but get some photos and some stuff that you'll see on social over the next couple days and give some insights from the golf course for the pod tomorrow night and for Manningcast so we have coming up, I hate to call it Manning cast. Whatever you want to call it all access something feed I don't know what we'll call it, but it's gonna be

Gonna be fun and like we said we'll have live shows Thursday Friday Saturday and Sunday This coming week yours truly will be out for several of those if not most of those But I look forward to it's gonna be weird kind of missing a major for me at least the conclusion of a major But I'm excited to catch up on all the content for you guys and as we've said in the past whenever solid takes a week off It's usually about to be lit railing and exciting stuff. So all the all the golf fans can look forward to that Week no roaring and In a playoff and speeds gonna win the career grid slam out of it We didn't really talk about speed having a WD because of the wrist injury. I mean, do we even know if he's playing this week?

I do not. I honestly, I think it was a Craig James related thing. I think he's just like, I'm not going to actually do this. It's just not dog. No, I don't know. I haven't heard anything. Honestly, this is a weird kind of roll into a major week, isn't it? I don't know. I haven't heard anything, honestly. It's a weird kind of roll into a major week, isn't it? I don't feel the hype. It just don't feel much about I haven't heard much of anything about the course aside from I watched the Friday's preview video they did on it, which kind of which was great and kind of give me a sense of place for the place, but man, it just doesn't feel like it's major championship week yet. Maybe that's good and we won't peak too early. Like we tend to do with some majors, but it's pays ourselves. Yeah, this is going to be cool.

It's going to be a little chilly. The Wednesdays going to be a high of 53 I think out here. So I think I'm flying back early because you pointed back for 53. Anyways, pie man, anything else? Only last last thing for me, just got to give a quick shout out to the Milwaukee County Parks card. Obviously, been trying to play a little bit more golf, trying to get out and see a lot of the great public and private courses all around the greater Milwaukee area.

Signed up for a, everybody's been talking about this county card since I moved here. And just what an aspirational like thing for city public golf. It's $25 for the year and just to like put in a perspective, I went and played Brown Deer Park. The other day, the cost without the card is $79 to walk. The cost with the card is 43. So pretty worthwhile. And just, you know, applies to.

So yeah, so yeah, applies to a bunch of the county car, county courses. I think there's like 10 courses around the county that it applies to and, you know, just one of those cool, cool city public all things. So I was that that tickled me earlier this week and just passing that along to the people. Splendid. Well, Dija, no, it is a succession night.

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