No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 687: Joel Dahmen & Geno Bonnalie

Episode Date: May 25, 2023

Joel Dahmen and his caddie Geno Bonnalie join us at the Charles Schwab Challenge to chat about their newfound fame from their appearance in "Full Swing," what dad life has been like for Joel, their take on Oak Hill, and what makes this week a fun one on tour. But the highlight is Geno recanting the story of how he set a Guinness world record, and I promise this is a story you're going to want to hear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Laying Up Podcast. Sully here, good to be back. Appreciate the weekend off from the guys. It did a tremendous job covering the PGA championship.

But I am thrilled to be back. I'm down here in Fort Worth covering the Charles Schwab challenge. Came down and did an interview with Joel Damon and Gino Benelli. I've been wanting to get the two of these guys together. Well before they became Netflix stars, but I was pleasantly surprised to see that they had not gotten too big for us and they were willing to come on. Tell some stories. The main reason I wanted to have them on is you guys need to hear this Geno Benelli story about a world record that he set. They told us this story when we were at it, Pebble. We go into all that detail.

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favorites, Bannon Doons, San Valley, Gear Heart, Cordelene, and TPC Sawgrass. And you can find out more details about Schwab's golf promotion and terms and conditions at SchwabGolf.com and that's SchwabGolf.com. Tune in this week, the Charles Schwab Challenge. This is a really strong field this week. Coming off a major, I would not have thought we'd have as many big names in the field as we do. And the big names almost always show out at Colonial. They speak really, really, really highly of this tournament, which has helped elevate it

in my mind. And I hope it shines through in our content. Thanks again to Schwab and thanks to Joel and Gino, and here they are. All right. It's Schwab Week. Take me to your week Gino. I want to know you're set up this week. We're here in the house. You're staying in Netflix. It's been very good to you guys if I may say what? What work do you do? What work do you do before the peg goes in the ground Thursday? Of course, you've seen before, but what's your week like to start the week? This week specifically, you're in general this week. We'll go this week.

This week was a little bit of a different one instead of traveling to my final destination, which would have been here in Fort Worth on Monday. I went out and played Oak Hill instead. Let's start with that. Let's go with that. PGA Tour did you a little dirty by posting your aid? Yeah, they certainly did.

I obviously didn't play my best, but I didn't hit it that bad either. Those backties out there, and the fairways were just firm enough that a ball didn't want to stay in them. And I drove it okay, and I just felt like it kept going one step into the rough out of the first cut. And then from there, it's just grab a wedge and hack it down as far as you can and try to get up and down for par, which obviously I didn't do ever. You're shaking your head, Joel, is that the difficulty of okay that you're shaking your head at?

Yeah, I feel like I didn't play that bad myself and then I was just like the same thing. Like I feel like, I don't know what my favorite percentage was, but it wasn't very high, but I feel like if I played another tour event, I would be back to my 70th percent or 65 plus percent. And I feel like it's still drovet okay. And it wasn't like they were super narrow, it wasn't like they were ridiculous, they're just firm, so the ball was just bounding in on the rough. And once you're in the

rough, you are laying up. And then you're not getting that one up and down either. I struggled a little bit with Oak Hill set up in that man, it really identified the people playing the best. It felt like, yeah, at the same time, I watched a lot of what you just referred to. Like, some pretty good T-Shots getting the same punishment as really bad T-Shots, sometimes worse than really bad T-Shots. And that was just my overall reaction. It sounds like you're on the same level.

Yeah, I think when you have fairways that are to that firm, you have to have graduated rough. Because everyone's, it doesn't reward, a guy who naturally hits it that straight. And that's a whole argument we've had since like, wing foot, I think, basically. If no one's gonna hit fairways, but at that point, if you're one of the bombers and you're just wailing away

at it and you go in the people, it's great. Because then you can advance it on the green. I think I only hit it across her up one time, maybe twice. And both times I got it around the ground. I hit a hybrid on the green on the six-to-one time. I'm like, this is a great deal. I don't hit far enough to hit it in the people or crooked enough.

So I think it should be just really graduated rough on those type of things. Like if you're balled lands in the fairway and is rolling, it should be a spot where you can advance that at least close to the green and not just pitching out to 100 yards. You were, we've all chided you a little bit for the, I can't win. Am I good enough to win a major note, not even close thing.

And I think a lot of people have probably been in your year to say like, you are good enough, you are good enough. And I finally backed you down at Pebble enough to be like, the situation's gotta be right. Like you at least admitted like, hey, if the situation's right, like maybe I could, I don't think the situation was right at Oak Hill for you. No, it felt like it kind of was right

because everyone was talking about the length of it as a part of 70 and 7300 plus forever. But as soon as the balls are bounding in the fairway, like, length doesn't matter anymore out there. No one's getting the par 5s. So that's, you know, and 14, I could drive it far enough to get up in a front bunker. So that didn't really matter. So I've had sneaky confidence going in and the game was, I think, is trending. Feels like it's trending.

And then I hit plenty of good shots, it just ended up in bad spots. And I was like, maybe it's not my week. Because you were, you quoted when I said that, the first quote I got was like, yeah, it's great if you bomb it 320. And I felt like you were kind of like, man, why am I even showing up at this?

I was flying across the country. It was on my plane. True or false, I don't know the answer to this. Did you have a flight booked home on Friday? Early in the week. Of course. You made a comment. And I was like, I don't know if he's serious.

Like he's actually a Friday. But then, so I had it Friday, but then the Cheat Times came out, so I bumped it Saturday morning, and then I, because I shot four over on Thursday. I'm like, well, this is the perfect. I can go back home and have a week and a half. It played great on Friday. I did.

I got off to a nice start of three in a row and from there you just hang on for your life. But I do feel like my game's coming around. But Oakville, like it's such a Saturday. It's raining all of a sudden. My ball's going nowhere and I'm in the rough. So good luck. It was, I did, I ran into you in the parking lot.

Netflix cameras falling. You of course, from the moment you arrive on site. I did away right now. From the moment you arrived on site. But as soon as I said, like, oh in the parking lot, Netflix cameras following you of course from the moment you arrive on site. Can I get away right now? For the moment you're right on site, but as soon as I said, like, oh, the fairways are around, you're like, oh, okay. You got, you perked up as soon as I told you the fairways were running. Yeah, I can play out here. Exactly. Anytime it's firm and fast, I have a chance. To hit this little flat BB of a driver that runs, it goes about 70 yards on the ground and when it can actually roll somewhere, he can compete.

Which is pretty amazing for May in that climate. Right, it was. That was what I was stunned. I was stunned by how firm and fast it was. Yeah, I just assumed it was going to be kind of a sloppy wet mess like it was on Saturday. But even Sunday, like it drained so well, it played really fair.

Obviously, I think we had the lowest scoring down Sunday out there, but overall, I think it was a good test of golf. Um, it did turn into more of a bomber's thing that I anticipated. But, um, if you played properly, you could still, you could still hang in there a bit. Yeah, the block is hot. I mean, he wasn't bombing it out there. 155 to 160 ball speed. Like, that's, uh, that's awesome. I hope, I hope Colonial this week plays fast form. So he can kind of hang out, which I, well, we just had Reina think, but. It's a little soft out there right now, but it's also not the same demand on trust and sound here at this place. But what would you have set the overrun

for for Gina? What do you play off of Gina? What's your handicap? Zero, zero. Zero points. Zero, zero, zero. Dead scratch. So you got to do the whole,

what would a scratch shoot and have major championships set up on Monday? That's what he played. What would you have set the overrun? We know he shot 85, but what would you have said it? We publicly set the overrun at 84 and a half. Oh my God. There was a tweet out there. It was.

It was something that we, my coach, Robert Shell was over this a week and he's very good. He loves gambling and then it's actually a lot that went into this was Nick Cacona, so he owns the Alinea Group in Chicago, three-star Michelin restaurant there, but he was gonna fly in. We had this all set up. I was gonna play Block, was gonna play on Monday, on Monday.

So it was four of some, it was gonna be recorded, it was gonna be incredible stuff, and then some other stuff kinda got in the way of that. So Gina went back to playing solo, but I think between all of us, we kinda decided it was in that 8045 range, and I think if he plays it again, he definitely breaks 80 for 84. 84 and a half.

Yeah, I think so. I played, I hit it solid. I made some mistakes and there's things I would have could have should have done differently. Miss some short ones. I had a par putt early and I was just like so nervous to make a par. I left like a four footer on the front lip. What are you doing at the ball? It sounds like if he would have played his home track he would have shot about 72 through

the floor and that was that was what a scratch shoot. It felt exactly like an even par round in my home course. Well, and it's not like you're getting a ton of reps in the week of you know you're caddy in the week before it and you're not getting I have played in a couple. I mean, I can make be like, excuse us. I can make excuses like the best. Like that is, I'm a scratch at making excuses. That's for sure. So I feel like even if I've been playing and went out and played well, maybe like 78 would have been really, really good.

I would, I've seen Gino play well enough to do that for sure. And I think for all those people out there who are like, oh, he's got a real scratch. She knows a legit real scratch. He shoots under par all the time at home. I mean, before he's getting shot 61 at the home course we grew up on. So like, he's a legit golfer.

So all those people who says, he's like, oh, he's going to real zero. Well, he is. And he will beat your brains into it if you teed up with him. Yeah, at home when you are step out of the fairway, you hit it on the green and have a birdie putt. That people don't understand the different, I mean, maybe they do.

The difference in a tour setup is just so totally different. And this one seemed like it was maxed out, pushed to the extremes. Without being ridiculous, they used the smallest amount of square footage they could have on these greens with some of these pins. I mean, more three threes that I've ever seen at a major. I mean, you guys have seen a lot more than I have, but man,

I was looking at that pin sheet on Sunday. I'm like three off the front, three off the left. And I mean, every heart felt over and over again. And but it's one of those if you had a proper shot to 12, 15 feet. Cause you have shorter clubs and if you're hitting the fairway, so you can do that. And you like, you know, I mean, I think guys were making five, six, seven buries out there. So it wasn't like you couldn't get to them But I mean, I remember what Rory's shot on to like he's chasing down. He stuffs it on one

He has a simplest wedge shot on to and he misses it and all I mean, that's auto bogey. We're he's hitting it there Yeah, and you it's that kind of golf course and it's a fair to say like the difference in a major championship first normal PJ tour week is like You miss that wedge shot. you're making bogey. And usually if you miss that wedge shot on the PGA tour, like you can make par. You're not guaranteed to make par, but that's just where the difference usually comes, if for me watching is like, okay,

if you miss a major championship set-ups, you're going to pay for it. Especially on the shorter holes, like you said, you know, if you had a good wedge shot, you can make birdie, but yeah, I would totally say, especially this week, it's soft enough typically around the greens, you can kind of get anything up and down really.

It is, I don't know, again, you can take this for whatever you want as listeners. We are sponsored by Schwab, but I'm amazed when guys turn up this week after a major championship. We've been here last several years after a major championship and how jacked up guys are to play this tournament. Max called it one of his favorite stops on tour, maybe his favorite stop on tour. Why is that? Why does this event stick out? I don't know, but I feel the same way.

That's actually, it's a good point. Like we have Memorial next week, which is, you know, Jacksonville, it's a great golf course. It's elevated this year. We have, the US Open come up, travelers are elevated. There's something about Cloney on. I don't know if it's a membership, the history of it, but something because of the event,

I haven't really put a finger on it, but I love it here. I think the town of Fort Worth is underrated, really, too. It's a great spot. There's no real traffic. You don't feel like you're in Dallas. You feel like you're in a city and Fort Worth, you feel like you're in kind of a nice little suburb, really. The golf course, anyone can play, which I think is great.

You don't have to be a baller here, although you can't just start hitting it. I think people are just hitting over every bunker now, which is kind of interesting. But there's just a whole vibe. I think it's a very community. You know, I have a ton of fans out. People are out, they're all nice.

Yeah, of course it's good. There's a lot of external stuff here. Outside the golf is what is appealing to me. In fact, I brought the family, I have my parents are flying in today. They're always asking what tournament should we come to and I was like Fort Worth is awesome. It's cozy. It's not stressful. Like the right size town for a golf event, right? Yeah. The bigger the city, it doesn't necessarily make it more. It gets lost and I think the

golf tournament will get lost in the bigger of a city. So you have these smaller ones that really stand out. I think travelers in Hartford as well is a great one. That, you know, people look forward to that. Is a spot on the calendar every summer that everyone's gonna come out for. And I think this is kind of the same spot. I just expect to see people out there yesterday moping around and tired.

And now everyone's, it's good. Everyone's in good mood. They really take care of us this week. Food's great. I mean, the clubhouse is really fun. The members are all really into it. The hospitality. I've had so many people

from this area. I get a lot of social media messages, hey, do you need a place to stay because of my business being. I've got a lot of offers to stay places around here. So everybody's just very kind and generous. If we could take a moment to appreciate, you know, Cady Digs this week is special. As you were very nice. Yes. I had to text, I pulled up outside the house and I was like, is this really the right house? Because I don't want to like walk up to somebody's house. One of those ones you look up on the Zelo when you get there.

Yeah. Yeah. The Goldman family has been great to us the last couple of years. And Gino found a spot. My wife and son are also here this week. And Hudson, my son, turns 10 tomorrow and he's like, dead. We're staying in a mansion for my birthday.

Like, yeah, buddy. This is how I live on the road. This is like, what is post Netflix life like for both of you? I mean, you guys both put your lives on display for in front of millions and way outside the normal golf circulation and what's kind of, what's been the overall reaction. Let's start with you, do you know?

It's weird walking into a place or going somewhere and you see people looking at you. And then they'll lean over and like, keep looking at you and maybe whisper to your friend and I'm like, gosh, I know that maybe maybe he doesn't know who I am, but maybe I look familiar and a lot of airport selfies. That kind of thing. And just, well aside from that to on the golf course, Joel is the most popular guy out there, I feel like, because he's such an everyday guy and people love his personality as demeanor and just how he approaches everything. And that has made him so many fans. and even eight o'clock in the morning when we're in 70th place on the first tee he got quite the ovation that's awesome it's pretty neat yeah it's I It's hard to explain I went I mean I've kind of I've said I feel like Ricky Fowler

Because everyone just yells his name at all times everywhere it goes and I'm like it's happening to me But the good part is it's all been positive. It's been very positive People are like really rooting me on you're like believe in yourself Joel. You can do this and like Yeah, okay, that was an edit guys like so It's just it's been really fun. It's the opportunities have been Huge far and wide that part's been really fun. It's the opportunities have been huge, far and wide. That part's been great, but there's a large demand

on my time as well. I also have a kid who's four months old, so that's a time consuming thing. And just balancing it all is very different. And I'm working on that, but I just think overall, it's been a surreal, we could have never imagined what this has done for us. That's just, I think an endorsement to just embracing media embrace it

You've always done that right? I mean you've been on this show a ton of times and you put yourself out there But I feel like maybe golf has just struggled in general with like I'd people like to go and check the box and do interviews and things like that But hey, do you want to put yourself out there and really engage with fans? It's been a great thing for golf. I mean, it's, you know, something that golf fans have wanted for a long time, but it's also, you know, there's a way of doing it. Like, Rory did not have his family involved in it, and it was pretty, it was about the golf, right? But you guys both had Netflix cameras in your homes and out shopping for baby strollers, and I don't know about with you at home, like you gave a lot to it, right?

And I think it's been returned. They told us up front the more we are willing to open up the more beneficial it is going to be to us going forward. And that's trust though, because people have control over the edit. You're right. But the whole crew is really great. They've kind of became friends and getting into this trustworthy vibe with them for lack of a better term, but I feel like they're not gonna do anything that would make us look bad, not that there is a lot that would make us look bad,

but you know what I mean? You could certainly choose a different narrative, but I would say the same thing. When I first talk with Chad Mom, he's like, look, we're not out to get anyone. Like, if you're big enough ding-dong, you're gonna get got. I think is what Marcia Lynn chooses to say. Like, it's, like, we you're big enough ding-dong, you're gonna get got, I think is what Marshall and Lens uses to say, like,

it's, like, we're not gonna hide anything, but also like, if there's enough content, we're gonna choose the good stuff. And so yeah, it was a little concerning when you just give up all your adding rights and there's a microphone and a camera on you with a ton. I mean, everyone's gonna say something stupid at some point. But, they really had a pretty good narrative, I think,

to make us look fun and kind of about our lives and how important our family is to us and the sacrifices that they have made. We're not flipping cards for a thousand on private jet. I cannot wait till they have that much money. Dumb game. No one was ever gonna win that game. That was for sure.

I've asked them, he's like, yeah, we don't really do that. And no one's ever won. I'm like, well, clearly. So, but yeah, I would love the opportunity to play that game and not worry about the $1,000. And that would be more fun, but play it for dollar bills. It's interesting though, you and I have talked about this, Joel, about you are willing, you are yourself both, you know,

at waste management, when that whole thing happened, and when the Netflix cameras are there, but you have to also play an internal game with yourself. I was like, hey, do I wanna be had two white claws at the turn, US Open Qualifier guy, right? Because it's gonna kind of get distilled down into I'm the dude that helicoptered my shirt on the 16th green and I'm the dude that has the white claws.

And like, people probably shout that stuff at you. Like, I got a white cloth, I'm guessing that's, you hear that one. Yeah, when you walk off. Take your shirt off at you. Like I got a white cloth. I'm guessing that's you hear that one. Yeah, when you walk. Take your shirt off and have a beer, have a white cloth. That's the whole thing. So the worst is when there's one spectator on the rope, something like maybe a hole that's kind of in the back corner of the golf course, and Joel hits a shot.

And the one spectator who obviously we hear goes, take your shirt off, Joel. Really, man, come on. No, it still happens all the time have consequences. Yeah I I'm living with those. I mean it wasn't I feel bad for Harry probably the most but Because it was your fault. Yeah. Well, I mean he he succumbed up your pressure. I can't I can't He's got to be tougher. He's got to be tougher than that But yeah, there is a balance of me wanting to be good at golf.

Like, I am pretty good at golf, but it's also like, all right, my popularity is completely risen and not for my play. So it'd be great if we could align these things up. Like, I think Homa was super popular off the golf course, Twitter, fame, and now look at him. Top 10 player in the world. Like, those two things aligning are really good for you. So I do want to be good at golf. I don't always, I don't, I'm not, eventually the drunken idiot all the time.

There's time in their place, but no, like I take my golf pretty seriously. Like I do practice. I do have coach. I do things that will make me better at golf. So that's the only thing they did you a little dirty on was like, yeah, I do practice. I do have coach. I do things that will make me better at golf. That's the only thing they did you a little dirty on was like, yeah, I don't really believe in myself. And then the cut to Rory being like, yeah, the best player, the difference between the best players, the average players is believing in themselves. And like, respectfully, it's more than that. Right. Right. Very enjoyable. I have different talent levels. I'm sorry.

Exactly. But the casual viewer might just think like, oh, he just believes in his ultimate. He can be a top 10 player. Right. It's not quite that simple. Could I be better? Certainly. Do I think I'm going to have a good couple of your run here?

I do. I feel like, I don't, I feel like things are starting to slow down outside of golf. You got a big change in your life. Yeah, I mean, with the kid, Netflix coming, we just moved into a new house. It's all been kind of a crazy three four months period. So I feel like it's settling down. We're coming into kind of a nice part of the season for me. And I'm actually started to practice what it.

I like maybe last week. So I had to coach out and it's tweak the driver that started flying a lot better. And I was like, oh, this is like golf again. Yeah, and so I feel like I'm training in that direction. It's surprising. It's the putting that's been holding you back this year. If you look at the numbers, like your ball striking is totally there. That's surprising to me. Uh, yeah, I always hit the ball pretty decent. I know that, but I feel like when, when guys, you know, if you're struggling at any point,

usually there's, it comes with a little bit of ball strike Yeah, that has not been there. No, it's pretty simple that the putting I feel like we just made another tweak last week that looked a lot better That's what I heard. Yeah, I'm excited So I think that it's so simple. It's so easy, but I Feel like just committing to one thing and just because I miss a footer on the first hole doesn't mean I have to try something else all of a sudden That's golf It's not exactly like everybody else exactly I'm gonna switch grips. There's so many rounds where you'll may have had four putting grips during the

Turn it up. I think it's just taking it and committing to it and just roll and see what it come out You know come up four or five weeks later and be like oh that was that was okay I actually improved I interviewed Darren Clark and he was like yeah, you know I'm I'm scrolling Instagram, getting swing tips on Instagram. I'm like, you are getting swing tips on Instagram here. Like that's how we are supposed to do it, not you. A quick break here to check in with our friends

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for book or anything that they made. He was in the croissant earlier and you went up and got him napkin like that your your instincts are like the instincts are there I mean I just I feel I try to Observe anything that he may need in his life and is there a way that I can help him I probably should be better husband I can help him. I probably should be a better husband, be honest with you. I'm like, man, maybe I'm way too kind to Joel and not kind enough to my wife.

I would say little things like there's a lot of times where I'll ask for ride in the morning. So my wife doesn't have to get up at 5.30. And he goes out his way 10 minutes come get me little things like that are huge. I would say, pre, especially early on, there was a lot of like travel stuff like he would look into things and help book and just like logistics. Yeah. I feel like when he's at my, I don't know when he's down in Phoenix, he fixes everything in my house, which is

always great. I would say that's more assisting though, and then life coaching, right? I mean, how do you manage joles? I'm more mean, he puts a lot out there, emotionally, reaction, mentally, how do you, you know, it's on Netflix too, it's like, you guys are ripping each other, saying like, you told me you're gonna make a million dollars this week. I try to understand when it's okay to rib him a little bit and let him get to a certain point, because it's okay to get mad, but not crazy mad.

So there's always this give and take from me. I'm like okay I'm always thinking like should I say something to him now. No he's gonna if I say something now I know he's gonna fire back it's not the time so I'm just gonna let him be mad here for a minute and I don't know just kind of feel it out. So Max said in the series too like what we've said what what what you can see too. It's sometimes it feels like you need to pump them up in terms of like you are capable of this. You are this guy. I mean, words of affirmation is one of my five love

language. So, I just think people tell me how great I am all the time. I don't know if this is true or not. Maybe it was a coincidence, but a few years back, I played with Paul Tessori Web Simpson's cad Cadi at the time, and we went out, and he made me feel like I was the best player in the world. He is a motivational speaker. And I was just like, man, I am, he's right, I am so good. And I was terrible, but I felt like I played on tour. He's like, buddy, man, what a great swing.

You got Rob there, Bob. That's exactly it. You know? And I was like, you know what? And I even told him, I was like, I am going to go into these next couple weeks, and I am just going to be not like so much of a cheerleader, but just be super positive to Joel.

And it was the week after we played with Tiger, and we go down to Green Breyer. And I don't even know if Joel knows this, but I was like, oh, but I can't believe that putt mist. That stroke was perfect. And finished fifth at Green Breyer, but I was like, oh, but I can't believe that putt miss. That stroke was perfect. And finished fifth the green briar. And I was like, maybe it worked. I don't, maybe it's just playing great golf, right?

So the next week we go to over to John Deere. And I'm like, doing it again. And finish second at John Deere. I'm like, this is, I got it. And, uh, never really, I haven't been positive since. I'm just saying it never happened. And I'm like, I do, there are times where Gina will be like, I'm gonna be super positive today

and I'm like, I roll out, I'm kind of a thing like, oh here we go, it's happy. Even Sunday last week, I was like, this is gonna be a great day, we're in last place, but we're not gonna be there for long, you know? Let's get up to 60th. And that was about the best we were going to do. P16, P16.

We're in box. It's just like, why are you trying so hard right now? That was the thing was like, why are you trying to hard right now? That was the thing. Like, why are you trying so hard? We're just trying to survive this today. But how has newfound dad life? What's what's the balance like being a professional golfer and being a father to a newborn? It's not, it's definitely not nothing.

I think a lot of people think like, oh, yeah, the wife will take care of everything. These guys are focused on their career, but it's a lot. Yeah, I would say that I'm struggling with that time management. I take pride in being a very good dad. I do think I'm a very good husband as well as first time. You know, time spent putting them first still, but also at the same time, you can look at my results

in the last four months and I haven't had a top 40. I think we calculated, I hit balls twice at TPC once with my coach in four months. Now that is completely my fault. You're a little extra tired at home. There's more things to do. You know, I think I've only played golf four times at home. So I've touched clubs six or seven times at home in four months. Like that's just not going to get it done.

But also, I think you're just basically drowning those first two months with a kid. You're just figuring it all out. And I mean, my wife is unbelievable at it. But now our super, our kid is sleep through the night. We're so lucky. And now I need to get back on the gym schedule in the morning, go with some balls.

And I can do that in a much quicker time period than I used to do that. And you realize, like, I think, like, what I do before a kid and I laugh, I'm like, I literally wasted like five to six hours of my day doing nothing. And now you have a kid and you are running around getting all the stuff done and you're like, and you're exhausted at the end of the day because you're piecing in these little things that you would typically, you know, just kind of wander around and do all day. So I'm working on those things. I think almost coming to a tournament now for me is like my time to practice and like I can put

six, seven hours in play practice or on practice. It's almost like fun for me to get away and do that a little bit because it's just so different than what I'm doing at home. But something we're working on. My wife is conscious of that and she's like, all right, we got to figure out a plan at home. One, I mean, she wants to work out as well. So we got to figure out these little things that we're working on, but also get my bunch as a golf course and get back in a schedule that we used to have. There's also the first four months with your first born that you'll, it's so much fun.

It's all going to be a little smiley. Yeah, exactly. He's so smiley, so fun. And he's, I really generally want to be around him, which is that's a great thing because I think there's some dads who probably could wait until they're two or three and run around and do that but I Can't imagine it's weird. I'm four months in I can imagine life without a kid. No, it's just so different and wild I've rolled up to you in the parking lot at in the in the cameras were falling you and as I said house dad life You're like it's hard

Like I thought I was gonna get like a really you know basic answer of like, you know This is blah blah blah. It's great. No, it's hard. It's hard It's it's it's it's it's like super hard. It is like you're doing the same thing over and over and over again And at some point you're like I'm tired of doing this, but you don't have a choice. Yeah. This morning, I have him for an hour, his wife's getting ready and putting everything together for the day.

I put on a shirt for him. I put a shirt on him. He spits up. I'm like, okay, fine. I let him kind of cruise around for another couple minutes for playing. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna try to put another shirt on. Spit up immediately. And I was like, to lose around for another couple of minutes for playing. I'm like, all right, I'm going to try to put another shirt on, spit up immediately.

And I was like, what is like this? So like, just let it dry. It's so disrespectful. It's like, on the second one, I was so we were so close to getting out the door and he does this again. And I was so frustrated because I hadn't ate yet. And I was just trying to get out the door and we're running behind, standard. And I was like, just leave it. And I'm like, it's so fresh. I can't just

leave it now. If we get him in the car, he does it now. It's game on. But he's not going to leave the house with a dirty shirt. So little things like that. I mean, you're you're coming right into it. You figured out, you'll be just fine. But it is hard. Had dinner with Max last night. He gave very much good advice. Like, it's not personal when they're screaming at you, they can't help it. Like that's their way screaming at you. They can't help it. Like, that's their way of talking to you.

Don't take it. You're not screwing up. You just have to take it and go with it. But. Yeah, kids thrive on schedules. And my wife has crushed it with that. And I just kind of stick to a schedule. And we've been very lucky with it.

But also, because of the schedule, that means your life is run by a three or four month old. Yeah. So we do that. It has nothing on its agenda except creating chaos for the day. This will be chaos for you. All right, I want to get into the main event.

The main reason I want to do this podcast was because we, during a rain delay, you guys sprung this on a group of us when we were out at Pebble this year, and there was a rain delay that Gina Benelli, your caddydy has set a Guinness world record. And I kind of want to unfold this conversation, the same way it kind of unfolded for me, which you got Joel, you got so excited to tell the story, right?

It wasn't like, it's great trivia. It's incredible trivia. And you went through a hole like, you're like, hey, instead of, hey, instead of blah, blah, blah, let's ask some questions first. Like before you guess how many holes of golf, Gino Benelli played in a single week, ask him questions first.

What's your go-to, like, hey, what questions should people ask? Yeah, I just think, one, I've just so insanely proud of him for this, like people have no idea how hard it is. One year was this, 2011? I did it, I think it was, 2011, yeah. Yeah, it was June of 11.

But I remember he told me he's gonna do this and I quickly ran out with a golf cart and started cruising around and I got 36 holes in and I'm like never no chance. So I immediately really, you know, I was like, okay, this is gonna be hard, but go for it. Some of the questions I think is Diddy Walker ride. Yes, there's a ride. Yep. Yep. Time of year. Time of year was summer. June, but Idaho's and not like humidity. How far north are you? Daylight hours. People always ask that and they're like, Oh, you can, you know, if it's far enough north, you can play all day long. Well, for seven straight days, you have to sleep at some point. So I did not play at night.

You can't have the cart juiced up. Has to play at night. You can't have the cart. Juiced up, has to be a regular. You can't have, you have to have a governor on it. This is Guinness Rules. Correct. If they sent a whole list of stuff, I had to have two independent scorekeepers at all times that couldn't work for more than four consecutive hours.

So every four hours, I had to bring in other people and to time that up with my schedule of making the turn. Let's get new volunteers in here. And then they had to be able to take a four hour break before they can return. So the whole thing was a show, like a production, I guess I should say. Why are you doing this? Set it up. So that's another good one.

I had bought Guinness Book World Records. It must have been in 2009 or 10 for my wife's, brother, my brother-in-law. He's a few years younger. And I always thought the Guinness Book World Records, must have been in 2009 or 10 for my wife's, rather my brother-in-law. He's a few years younger. And I always thought the Guinness Book World Records was really cool thing. Just that I always loved looking at one of the kids. Flipping through records.

And I don't want to say what the other number was just yet, but we're flipping through. And I was like, wait, well, I don't know, you tell me. Do you want me to say what the record? What shows? So before we do that, you guys ask me, do the malloc, what do you think the numbers? And we all, everyone at the table, I got calculators out. It's one of my favorite barbets with a group of golf junkies because they can't.

It's like, you know, it's like, okay, you can play. Oh, is it a public golf course? Is it private? Is it shut down? Is it shut down? The answer was no. He played it was a fully played through Minsleague, Women's League played on the weekend. Did it all? Course had to be 6,000 yards minimum. Yes, that's another great question. How long was the golf course? You play a bunch of Part 3s, blah blah blah. What did you play it at? Right? So I played it at 6,025 yards. So slightly shorter than O'Kill. He had to play by USDA rules. If he hit out a bounce, he retied it. He had a whole every putt, which I did on every hole.

Yeah. People ask high score low score. That's a good one. I went back to back with my high and low. I went 87, 64 back to back. In my 64, I bogeyed the very last hole of the day. I was so mad. Part five. I was on it just over the back and two. In my 64, I bogeyed the very last hole of the day. I was so mad. Part five, I was on it just over the back and two, make six and did make any hole in one. That's what people like, not that that matters. But yeah, the golf cart time of year, course closed is a big one by the rules. And Neil did a hundred hole high class year. And I just remember how hard that was. That was walking though and different. So I'm like, all right, if he got a hundred holes

a day and that'd be pretty darn impressive. But I was though, and different. So I'm like, all right, if he got a hundred holes a day and that'd be pretty darn impressive. But I was like, yeah, maybe six rounds, maybe seven, I don't know. I ended up at like somewhere around 650 holes was my guess. Pretty common, that's a very common. I surveyed some of my friends this morning. They said, one friend said, 1,036 was his guess.

And another said, like, oh, I feel dumb saying this now, but I was going to guess 5.50. And then another one said 2,105. Oh, wow. That's a lot of holes. Yeah, it's a lot of holes. So that's, yeah, that's an incredible guess. I've never heard that one that high before. So I guess to get around 650. I think my dad guessed maybe 1,000. I'm like, dude, you're crazy. So go ahead and give us the number. How many holes of golf did you play in one week? I played exactly 2000 holes. Yeah,

which is breakdown. So I'll give you some stats on that. That is a hundred and eleven rounds plus two extra holes, which is just under 16 rounds per day, like 15.8 something rounds per day if you do that math. So I'll say the, what was the record? It was 1,850 holes. So I kind of blew it out of the water. I had done some history and saw the evolution of what that number was.

You know, it went from 1,000 and in some way it played 1,001 and then it gradually got all the way up to 1800 which is a huge Gap to cover over a 10 to 15 year span and I was like so backing up I bought to get us for over book world records did some math My wife we have a little cousin who has a rare disease called systemosis. There's not a lot of funding for Research for it. So I was like, let's just do a fundraiser and see how much money we can raise. And this is all back in the day before social media was ever really thing. Maybe Facebook was just

starting to come out or something. But I decided to do that. We raised about $15,000. People are donating like 10 cents for every whole I played or birdie I made or whatever it may be. That was one of the great thing about being in a small town where you grew up is that it's people got, you know, they really rally behind you and, um, if we had social media now, that would have been nuts. Yeah, most people don't, but they're like, that's impossible. You can't play that much golf in a day.

Well, you average what 52 minutes per month? Yeah, just 5th right at 53 minutes per round. The little bit more of the math behind it. I started first morning. I hit the first T ball. The sun wasn't quite up enough. I hit it at 4.22 a.m. By the time I got to the second or third hole, I could see it. I didn't know where the first T shot went and somebody else happened to be like, oh, it's here. I got off to a rocky start. I was also on a mission to make the most birdies in a week as well. That was a separate also on a mission to make the most birdies in a week

as well. That was a separate world record, which I achieved. I had most birdies in 12 hours, which I also achieved. And that was 493 birdies, 497 birdies in a week, and 65 birdies in 12 hours, something like that. Well, it's not, I would say it's under par holes, because they're including an eagle if you make it. Correct, yeah.

So, uh, Titoff at 4.20 something in the morning. And I probably had time that first day to play one more round, but I played 16 rounds that day. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna pace myself, because I don't, I don't wanna die. And after 16 rounds, the music is on top of my head. I'm gonna pace myself because I don't want to die After 16 rounds of the basic hands of bloody so the pad of my left thumb was basically gone I just are one day first day. I just used a golf glove and I just played golf as fast as as fast as I could and

Then I got up the next morning my alarm on off at like 3 3 30 and I was told my wife. I was like I know I can't swing a golf club I'm like what I can't swing a golf club. I'm like, what am I gonna do? I have all these people and everything. She's like, go get, take a hot shower, like, try to stretch, get in there, and I'm like, this is bad. Like, this is my two of seven.

Yeah, this is second morning of my left thumb is Dunzo. But I'm like, I guess I'm gonna do it. I put a bunch, I put the new glove on, a bunch of athletic tape, and the first round of the day was really painful. I felt like the grip was barbed wire. I'm like, aw, this sucks. You have a mountain to climb in from, yeah.

You are at mile, mile marker three of the marathon. Correct. And by the second round though, it kind of started to loosen up a little bit and then it was fine and I was off and running. And the first couple of rounds were okay just because it was so painful, but then it got you got into this mid-morning lull. You've already played, you know, by 10 o'clock in the morning, I played a hundred holes

already. And I'm like, nobody's out there watching because everybody's at work is just me and the scorekeepers and it's 95 to 100 degrees. And it's just notness golf all day. It was that hot during it. Yeah, we're in the lowest spot, Night Ho, where we grew up. So it's get stinky warm. It's called banana belt. We, uh, and then some, you know, some storms come in and they blow the horn and I'm like, I'm not going in. Come on, Lightning.

Please kill me. Please do. So, and then like 5 p.m. would roll around. And the community would start coming out with beers and following me around. And then you kind of get to your second winner. And you post it. So.

Day three, Querc, play. I was on a job. Yeah, my knee started. I don't, it was like the motion, the lateral motion of my knee getting in and out of the golf cart. Oh my God. It was called the,

it's runners get it. It was like, illialtibule band syndrome or something like this. And this doctor came out and put a needle in my leg. Day three or four. Oh my God. And it was like shooting up my hip and it was rather painful. You never think about that, but if you're in and out of a golf cart,

four times a hole, I hit 7,898 shots. So you're in the golf cart six thousand times because you put twice maybe whatever it is, something ridiculous. Something like that. It was a lot, I was 20 under par for the week. Average under par for the week. I get it to 6,000 year golf course and it's still hard, but that's still incredible. I did have it.

I think I had four four or five rounds in the 80s. Something that you have situations where you hit your T shot. Get up there. Can't find it. Have to go back to the tee. I know the golf course well enough that I generally knew if I wouldn't be able to find it, I would hit a provisional. I definitely had a lot of penalty strokes in out of bounds though. Almost every hole is lined with OB. It's wide, but there's houses

around and stuff you can do that. But also, he had, typically, we'd have someone help him, and it would be, you would tee up three or four balls on the same tee box, so he didn't have to bend down to you up a ball. There was someone getting the pin and fixing a ball mark for him. Yeah. So those little things that you don't really think about add up over the course of the week, they saved his back in his time a little bit. And I know he had a favorite guy who would help them read greens and would just get up

and whack him and say to get an arid with that and make a bunch of putts which, yeah, that was definitely helpful. I mean, people, if I play 111 rounds in a year, that's a really good year for me. That's playing a lot of hot stuff. Yeah, that's a good year for me. You did in a week. Yeah, it was a long time. I think one of my questions is like,

what did you do in part, did you have your own divot section of the Part Three's? I mean, 111 divots on one Part Three's T-Box. Well, he's a bit of a picker. That was a sweet bird. Yeah, he's a bit of a sweet birder. Okay. Being tiger. Yeah, I'm on one par three. He's a bit of a picker. I was a little bit sweet for him. Yeah, he's a little bit sweet for him. Okay, being tiger. Yeah, so you don't, you do have the,

like the Jeff Fill divots after Shion. There was, there was people, the spectators would come grab it for me. I mean, that's a cool part about being in the town where we grew up. It's just, they want to support and they're willing to do those things. And the very, so my favorite story really quick,

I don't know if I told you this one. I don't know what day of the week it was mid week. I come off hole number 18, the pro shop was really good about telling people what was happening. And most of our play at the courses members anyway, so they're like, oh, genos, come on, genos, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go husband and wife couple pushing their pull carts right off the front of the tee box, and I stand there for five seconds. I'm like, hey, just mind if I go? And the guy just kind of does one of these. Doesn't move out of the way, I just hit it right over his head, and he was like, what the hell?

I'm like, thank you. I drive off, I play 18 holes, I play one, two, three, I get to number four, and they're on the green. I was like, hey, can I go? You might have I go. And he's like, what's going on? And somebody was like, he's just trying to play really fast or something.

You know, I caught him on four, eight, 12, and 17. Oh my God. What was the fastest 18 you had? 45 minutes maybe, something like that. If you could do a, basically a speed lap. Do you think you could do I would have to have the distance Things you don't think about the distance between the green and a t-box is a big thing There's a couple drives that take a full minute So that just is what it is and you're like oh a minute's not very long

Well when you play 111 rounds is 111 minutes That's two full rounds of driving between that green and that team. Oh, you think like 12 to 13 stuff to get to? 16 up to 17. Exactly. Up to four. Yep, yeah, that's a good point.

So that's very interesting. You're like, I wasted potentially, you know, 60-some holes driving between these T-boxes. If you were to do it all over again, would you do it on a different golf course? I don't know. There's definitely better golf courses to do it on, but I would never be able to have this the run away. Yeah, ability to do that.

What are their stats? Did you keep track of how much I kept everything? I have an Excel spreadsheet with every hole. I have highlights of Eagles and birdies. I had 72 rounds at even part or better out of the hundred and all. 72 rounds at even or better. Yeah, Lois was 64, like 45 minutes to play. I ranked, I have a spreadsheet of the easiest and hardest holes.

Oh, yeah, you handicapped him. I handicapped him scoring average on each hole. How did you shoot in the 80s? Summer out there. You're just like I'm totally shipping it. Remember like number 10 for instance It's a drivable. It's a drake. You got a really bust one. You can get it there. It's kind of a wonky and Dog like you got to hit it over like this house on the corner and you can't miss it right and I went right Right right off the tee. I think I made a nine or 10, and then I did that on one other. Tell him when your dad drove.

That's, oh my gosh. So that 87 was also, my dad wanted to really help, right? And he's like, let me drive. Well, I had a system where I was driving. I would pull the front left tire up to like six inches away from the golf ball. I could step out, grab my club, hit it, and sit back in and just drive off.

So my dad, bless his heart, my biggest fan in the world, would park like 10 yards away on the right side of the ball. I'm like, dad, right right there. And he's like, and he's just wanting to help. He's one of the favorite humans on Earth. He's not working. I was so, I was almost like a, because I was in a bad mood. It was my 15th round of the day humans on earth. This is not working. I was so, I was almost like a, because I was in a bad mood.

It was my 15th round of the day on whatever day. And we're parking, we're parking in the middle of nowhere. I'm shooting 87 after just wiping a bunch out of bounds. I'm like, get out of the way. And then the next round I was like, this round's going to be better. And shot 64. I think it was my 15th round on like Tuesday or something like that. Are you gunning yardages?

Or are you just guessing? Not just. As soon as I would put a club away, I would pull the next club and just kind of figured out. Before this week, I mean, you played hundreds and hundreds of rounds at this place. So you basically knew where it's driver fell. He could basically grab a club. And at that yard is too, you're mostly grabbing a rounds of this place. So you basically knew how we would, if where it's driver fell, he could base and grab a club. And at that, you already just do, you're mostly grabbing a wedge of some kind.

Correct. So you can survive it, but that's, that's pretty easy, really. So. He did, he took the top off his golf card as well. So he could just drive and reach the back of clubs. The little things like that. That's a lot more sun that you're getting.

I was fried. Did you not sunscreen, lather up in between? No, no, no, no. This guy. And you know, as people always ask me, what did you eat during the week? I don't remember eating.

I think your mom, like my mom, like brought me a, I remember one day she made me like a steak sandwich and me thinking that was great. So on the 18, when I broke the world record, the whole number 1851, my mother, we had a whole crowd there, there were signs, like news was there and stuff. Well, I'm like, I'm still playing. Like,, we had a whole crowd there. There were signs like news was there and stuff. Well, I'm like, I'm still playing like that's just another hole. Get out of the wool. We'll celebrate when I'm done with this, but mother-in-law bless her heart. She shook up champagne, popped it,

and sprayed me on 1851. And like, you know, maybe 10 o'clock, 10 o'clock, and the morning on the last day, and I'm trying to play another 150 plus holes. And I am completely covered in champagne, and I'm sticky. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no country club, fully clothed, got out, continued to play. And the last day I didn't play nearly as many holes as the previous days. I only played 12 rounds on the last day. And you could have played, I could have played more. 2000, selling a good number.

Yeah. 2000 was just cool. So I shut it down, which I regret. Yeah, you tell the story. I'm amazed where I can't ask enough questions on it. Cool little pub at the clubhouse of Pelt�. Yeah, you tell this story. I'm amazed. I can't ask enough questions. I had a cool little pub at the clubhouse at Pelopel. Yeah, it was incredible. We had a blast.

It was so much fun. I was like, oh my god, we have to tell a story on the pub. I get up to go the bathroom, Google it, and I was like, oh, I don't. I guess I'm, I come back to the table. You were gone. I'd say to my wife, I'm like, I missed the part where somebody came and broke the record afterward. And she was like, no, I think he mentioned that.

Like some Australian guy broke it. And I was like, oh man, I totally missed that. And you come back to the table, you and Joel come back. And I was like, I missed the part where somebody broke your record. And you were like, what? He went ghost light on it. So I knew that fellow in Australia, and honestly forget his name right now, he had reached out to me asking for some advice.

Maybe like two plus years ago, and I'm like, I don't wanna give you any advice. It's my record. This is my record, I don't want you beating me. And I knew that he was going to attempt it and do this, all this stuff. And I had looked maybe, I don't know, six months prior to our conversation to see if I still had it. It's not a thing that I check often. And it was like, oh, yeah,

Gino Benelli still holds this world record. And I'm like, oh, sweet. And then you came back to the table. That's hard breaking. But I think there was, yeah, I'm trying to remember what it was like, because I think there was something along the lines of like, do we tell them this? Like, do we just let them have it? Well, like I said, I knew it was taking place, but I also had heard that Guinness was super strict on following the rules.

Like, if you do not do all of this stuff, you will not be accepted. And after his attempt, I knew he had attempted it. And then after, you know, the X amount of time I looked and I still had it and I'm like, he must have just not. Because you've been through, like, the four hour rotation of the volunteers, you've been through how strict it is.

And it's correct, dude. You can go play 2,000 holes, but is it gonna count is a different question? Right. And we found out in November of last year. And last year. Yeah, he played, you know, I took pride in going from 1,850 up to 2000 and

and playing good golf all doing it. Yeah, and making the birdie number. And but then I saw he played 2000 at one holes. And I'm like, come on. That's a really tough scene. And look, it should be a rule. You have to break a record by a certain amount like a percentage or something more, right? So no, hats off. He did it. I actually sent him a message after I had discovered that at Pebble Beach I said could you send him like a note with anthrax in it or anything right? No

He did it he raised a ton of ton of money for the Ronald McDonald House Which was doesn't he? Basically break a bunch of records. I think he has like a bunch of and not all there's like golf related either, but he just kind of goes around and breaks a bunch of records is what it sounds like, but sure. Yeah, I felt horrible, but I was also like, man, if he goes around, keeps telling the story. I know.

We were talking about before we knew it was broken, we're like, we need to have you on the pod. Talk about it. You're a world record holder. I still do have the world record for the most number of birdies in a week, and I think that one will stand maybe the time because you haveies in a week and I think that one will stand maybe the Time because you have to play a lot of holes. You have to play them really well. Yeah, I don't know how many

Birdies this guy made but I I wouldn't imagine 25% clip is Up there it's really good. So it's like well, thank God at least we identified that before we recorded about it because that Have been really bad if we'd have published it like oh, well record actually man. This guy broken So so my main question is no now that you've had a couple months to sit on it that somebody's broken your record Will there be a attempt and attempt to be like I have thought about it and actually every time the PGA tour schedule comes out I'm like if I were to do this what week would we have to sit out? And truthfully, with the social media and Netflix and everything being what it is now, it could be a great thing and I could raise a lot of money to do it. But that was also a 26-year-old genome or however old I was. And I'm 39 now. And there would be serious training for him.

He would have to train for six months, probably He was start at the beginning of the year and I trained it all back. My training consisted of a lot of nachos and beer for like six months leading up to a time. I would go four times a week and drink beer and hang out with his brother. No, I was pre-27. Everybody when you turn 27 life. I feel like right now I'd have to get sandpaper out every night and just call us up these hands. And, because that was definitely the toughest thing. By the end of the week, I would tape the glove to my hand every morning with cotton balls and that mole skin stuff. And this thing was like an oven mitt

to try to protect myself. And it still was just brutal. So I would definitely take care of myself. He also played in a golf tournament the next weekend, one of our favorite little beer drinking stops, just in a tiny town in Idaho. He said he was still so, so sore six days later playing in this thing that he was miserable. Yeah, I played, but my swing felt pretty good during the whole world record deal. I felt like I played nice golf and then I didn't play for five or six days and then went out again and it did not feel the same.

I just love the casual. I was still playing to play 150 more holes. Like usually the people are like, oh, if I can squeeze an emergency nine in, that's great, I got another 150 to go. That's an incredible story because it is really like when you start thinking about it, like that one day of that is insanely grueling

and then like doing like the second and third and fourth day of keeping is insanely grueling. And then like doing like the second and third and fourth day of keeping that pace is just insane. It's really helped my mass kills for unnecessary weird reasons. Like if somebody asked me what 18 squared is going on. Oh, I know that's 324 because that's how many holes I played in one day. 324 was your best play in one day?

Yeah, I played 18 rounds on Thursday, I think it was. Jesus. Oh my God. I think, but also, you know, is, I mean, his dad's a loggery group and know that I got, like, do you know what, it's like generally one of the toughest humans, like you will meet. So it's not for the faint of heart, and that's why no one else is doing this. Well, tell us about, you were also blowing my mind about what your travel is like in and out of your where you live to get to the tour stops.

Yeah, how you get to airports. What did you get to? Generally flight tour. I was really excited. Recently, we got a United flight and then they took it away and went back to my normal, terrible travel schedule. I generally rent a one-way car on Sunday. I pick it up at my airport that has a one terrible flight a day and I get up at one or 130 in the morning

Drive that one-way car up to Spokane, Washington, which is two hours and four minutes from my house for a 515 departure. Oh my god. It's into Denver most of the time. Yeah, most of the time into Denver. And then from there, I can kind of get somewhere else. And it just makes for a long travel day. That one o'clock alarm. Yeah. Like every other week, it seems. Getting home is also a pain.

I can almost I really can't get home. It fly back into Spokane. There's a flight that lands right at midnight. And thankfully, the rental car plays stays open till 1230. So I'm able to, if there's no delays, anyways, getting a rental car around 1230 and roll get home, you know, the picture is stopping at the end of the morning. The picture is stopping at the end of the morning. I start heading south.

I start every single time. I have a couple of hands and you have your hour and 52 from there and darkness. I get an un-lunchable, you know, the cheese and ham and Ritz crackers. They have a kind of more adult one now. It's more like Salami and a better a better disease and That and a monster energy and I crank the music and roll down the window because that drives stinks It's also a 2AM after traveling down there. And it's not, I mean, you're driving in East Roshan on that.

There's just not a lot going on. It's just unbelievable. It's 6am, it's time to be a dad again. Right, so 3 and a half hours. A lot of times, he's up for 24 hours. If we have an early East Coast tea time, and he flies back and he gets in, he's basically at a 24 hour day.

That's a lot. Do you ever go home between events, like in terms of, no, if it's back to back, you're not trying to go home? Only if you're by a field at you. She's really cool. When we had our daughter a couple of years ago, we were in Boston, and it was only home for like two days

before I went over there, and we missed the cut. And then for the next week, we were going to Chicago, and she's like, why don't you come home? And I'm like, I'm gonna be home for like 20 hours at best. And it's gonna cost you $1,200. And she's like, do you wanna see your daughter? I'm like, they'll play that card. I'll see you in 24 hours.

I love that you have a two hour drive to your little, like, your connecting airport. Like, you're the one that's gonna get you to Denver like it's not like oh I'll fly to the big airport just avoid the connection right that's that's it's to get to my connection I mean, it's got to be one of the most remote places to Who's Russell Hindley's okay? Yeah Todd Jez Volt he was he was probably more remote than me, but ironically flew or drove to the same airport I spoke in Washington He was probably more remote than me, but ironically flew or drove to the same airport as Spokane was.

He's an O-Mac Washington, which is central up by the Canadian border in the middle of nowhere. So he has almost four to Seattle probably, because there's no good way to get there. And he has three-ish to Spokane. So he was in the... Pretty wild. He was my... Or I was his companion on Southwest. He was a teed-up.

Look at the eel. He was my, or I was his companion on Southwest. He was a seed up. He was a seed up. He was a seed up. And yeah, you have hacked the travel. You're a baller on a budget, like to the tee, right? Is that change at all post Netflix? No, you get these high-sauce offers. I've actually probably stayed cheaper and much nicer since the Netflix thing.

People are so accommodating and helpful like this week hospitality. I said is incredible and staying in just maybe the most beautiful house I've ever seen and last week of family sent me I put my email address in my Twitter bio it's a different email address is kind of a more of a business-y one people just send me notes on it and I don't check it often enough but this family sent me one said if you need a place to stay in Rochester,

we've got you, I've got two sons, I'm an athletic director for the school. Like, oh, you sound normal and you used punctuation. And so I called him and he was like, yeah, we'd love to have you. And how do great week? People love golf. We miss your Twitter files though. Some of the, what's been the highlight of, like,

somewhere you've gotten where you're like, oh, I might be in some trouble with this place. That one that's pinned on my on my Twitter account is the proper pronunciation is my marineck not mama ronic as I said in the video. You have motor in. That's just one with the blood. That was the yeah, the blood, the blood holes maybe. It was such a well done video and it's very CSI of you and that one went instantly. Yeah, I've got to a million views rather quickly. That was before. I had Scott Van Pelt send me a message and we kind of became, I wouldn't say buddies, but kind of buddies. We sent some notes back and forth and he sent me a message on Twitter.

I'm like, oh, he's got Van P belt on. So that was the highlight for sure. Oh gosh, you guys have had, you got some stories, man. I find your guys' relationship really, really freaking interesting. I mean, it's out there now. We could waste time doing the story with the letter and all that goes back to the origination of you guys getting together, but it's really fun

to see it coming up. We've got a lot of stories that's been a hell of a ride. It's been a credible man. It's been a wild ride, but I mean, I mean, he married us. Like he was a Reficient over wedding. Like that's just how that's, I mean, he lawnalows him to death.

Everyone loves you, you know, he's, I still just expect to be fired someday though. That that that part is real from the from the Netflix. Yeah, I, I, I've told, I've tried to, I've tried to get him to fire me before because we're in a little bit of a slump. I know, and I understand that it's okay if you need somebody else standing beside you, I get that. I would probably get tired of me. I'd be like, do you get tired of him?

Oh yeah, he's like a brother, of course. I mean, I get tired of him. And I'm conscious of that. So I'm like, I try to give him his own space and not be too much, but then sometimes I'm like, I'm just gonna be goofy and annoying the shit out of Joel today, because that's what I wanna do.

But I would, there's a lot of catty switches out here, and I will never be shocked if it happens. I don't ever want it to happen, but I wouldn't fault him even a little bit. I think that we're wanting to switch. Also to a point now that Gino is like a real catty. He's not just my buddy. Like when he started out, he was.

But he's like legit catty. He understands strategy. He has data points. He takes it very seriously. And if he wasn't a good catty, he wouldn't be around. But I think there's gonna come a point. He takes it very seriously. And if he wasn't a good catty, he wouldn't be around. But I think there's gonna come a point where there's gonna be a job offer out there for him. That will make him way more money.

He has to take that job. I've remind him currently now that like, you have a wife and two kids. If I got an offer to make more money do something else, I would probably take that, except for the other two. There's for the quality of life aspect that I Want to keep cuz I mean not to get all I freaking I love Joe and I love our routine and working with him and I think he's super talented and I

Make enough money to where I mean it's always nice to have more money, right everybody wants more money, but We're fine. I don't. Yeah. I think of a top 30 player call, so he's got to go. There's just no way that you couldn't take that. At least entertain. It's like one of those things when Fowler and Joe

Scove separated, like Joe's kind of untouchable type thing. But I mean, there's everything comes toable type thing, but I mean there's Everything comes to an end right like there's all and Just because I'm working on the air right now He did say when I hired him He said the one rule is you we have to go out for pizza and beer if you fire me Yeah, I can't do it over text or phone I'm like forget that because I truthfully it'll be like the saddest day of my whole life if it ever happened, not saying it's going to.

But I get it. What's this pizza and beer on my calendar for next week? What is that? Could be a problem. But what was it like for you, where we're wrapping up here soon, I promise, but what was it like for you kind of going, you didn't, you almost pushed back when he volunteered to Cadi

for you and saying like, no, dude, like, this is corn fairy tour, this is not gonna be he volunteered to Cady for you and say, no, dude, this is corn fairy tour. This is not going to be the life you're looking for. Totally. You're basically taking his livelihood into your hands. What was that like? Thankfully, his wife Holly is great and let that happen because Gino's, you know, we always dreamed of playing

on tour, so the next best thing is probably, you know, Cady on tour with your best buddy. So I know it was something he always wanted to do, but people don't understand how hard the caddy life is. 100%. It's really difficult. And, but also I was on the corn fairy too. I was a rookie on the corn fairy too.

I had no, I mean, who knows if you're gonna make it, right? Like, that's a whole nother thing. So, I think it's first year on the corn fairy too, you made $87. Maybe. I also keep that spreadsheet too. It's not a lot. So like profit or just like, okay.

So like that at that point, like you have it, you know, he's like, all right, I'll do cornferry again. And I'm like, this is not easy. Like I need to be harder on you with it being a friend, I'm saying, you know what I mean? Instead of just like a catty,

you had hired. I think we were young enough and dumb enough that we were surviving at that point. But now it's one of those things of like, Gina was passing me the spreadsheet, right now. This is just my income spreadsheet for the whole year. Income spreadsheet. Total earnings was 20,635 and 53 cents.

Yeah, that was without any expenses. And that was what, So my gross base wage, well, it looked like you negotiated some raises during the course year because it went from 850 to 950 by the end of the year. And then play earnings. The most Joel earned was in Springfield, which was that the famous Springfield? That is a famous Springfield. Springfield, where he thought he missed the cut and party the night. And then he made $15,000 basically that week.

How much did I make on my extra commission there? You made an extra $1,047 that week. So the first, I don't know how you've got it for you, obviously, but the very first cut we made, I think, was in South Carolina at the BMW there. And what was my commission there? Like $8. eight some bucks. You made $118.

$118. And I remember being so freaking excited about that $118. Like, I'm a sweet, I can eat. We shared every week, we split a hotel in a car. We roomed together 90% of them. Are you picking it, putting the bill for that dinner? Are you splitting this? I think that I got the hotel and he got the car. We roomed together 90% of them. Are you pick it foot in the bill for that then? Are you splitting this split? I think that I got the hotel and he got the car. That's how it worked. Yeah. Joel get the hotel. I get the car, which is obviously I get a little bit of a break there.

It benefited me slightly. But we would. I mean, I had to drove to a lot of events. So you're liking playing the $20 million designated event. Well, we haven't made a cut in. So you're liking playing the $20 million designated event? Well, we haven't made a cut in a long time. I was just so happy. Would you? You've got made more money in Springfield than in Bay Hill. Someone's like, oh man, this schedule's great. I'm like, if you miss a cut, you still get $0.

I'll go play in a skins game and make more money than I do on these designated events. I think I did make the cut at the players. You did. Yeah. Last place was what? 50K. It was nice. I mean, that's a solid check the players. You did, yeah. Last place was what? 50K? It was nice.

I mean, that's a solid check. Yeah, you can get mine. It's like that clip from Happy Gumer. All right, how about the guy who comes in last? He's gonna be one of those big checkers there, all right? It's fine. Totally. That's fantastic.

Well, we're gonna let you go. It's tournament weekend. You guys got to get some work in. Probably should practice. This was one of my favorite hours of the pot I think we've ever done. This is, it's great to see you guys kind of reach the level of success you have and and stayed. I don't know. It's hardwarming you guys whole story and all that and it's great to see it on Netflix. Can't wait to watch season two and can't wait to see what's next for you guys. You're the man. Congrats on with you on everything too. Thank you. Thank

you a lot going on in your world. It's been a fun, exciting year. It's a very fun. So more to come. Awesome. Well, thanks for having us. I'm glad that the the world gets to hear Gina going on in your world. It's been a fun, exciting year. It's been very fun, so more to come. Awesome, well thanks for having us. I'm glad the world gets to hear Gino Manelli and the world record story. People, people, people, people, people, people, people never believe it. No way. I don't believe that number.

Now you're going to hear a request to go do it again. I probably will. I'll be one of your scores. I'll be one of your scores. As I say, if there's enough money, if we can somehow get enough fuel behind it, we can, oh, this is going to be a thing now. Oh a thing oh totally I can't believe you guys my wife's over in the corner shaking her head Holly I'll send you to a rubah for the week all right

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