No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 696: Thursday US Open Recap

Episode Date: June 16, 2023

LACC is under attack! We react to the low scores from Thursday at the US Open, breakdown where and why the birdies happened the way that they did, pick some winners and losers of the day, Hamsterdam, ...Rory, Rick, Xander, Scottie's putting, the vibe on the course, and a ton more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different! Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the No Laying Up live show slash podcast brought to you as always by our friends at high noon.
Starting point is 00:00:37 LACC is under attack. My name is Sali. DJ Pai is here. Hello, Pai man. Greetings guys. Happy to be with you. TC is here. Hello, Pymann. Greetings, guys. Uh, happy to be with you. T.C. is here. Hello, Mr. T.C. I'm very curious how your winged foot takes will age with tonight's show and we're going to get into all of that. Hello, buddy. Um, I'm drinking lemon and lime tonight because we
Starting point is 00:00:56 may have a lemon on our hands, boys. We're going to make lemonade out of what we got going to the US open and just spent the day all day at LACC North, Mr. Kevin Van Volkamburg, hello KVV. Tully, I might be a round guy, but today I learned that angles are important. I don't tell that to the data boys. I was going to say they didn't, they weren't important enough today. And I think we can get into some of that because I don't know if LACC played exactly like we'd hoped, but summertime is here, which means limited edition high noon pool pack is back.
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Starting point is 00:02:38 TC, I'm going to throw it to you first. What's your reaction to how LACC played on day one. Somebody left a nice comment on Instagram that I thought played really, really well. In typical George Thomas fashion, the first hole here is very, very easy. And just to kind of paraphrase it. And the second hole normally is hard. It seems like it didn't play all that hard today. That's kind of the case at most of the golf courses that he designed.
Starting point is 00:03:06 I'm hoping that that's the case this week, that it's kind of a nice handshake opening round, and then rounds two through four, it just ramps up. I was a little bit worried on Tuesday morning when we were out there, and it was relatively, you know, kind of benign, and then it seemed to ramp up as the day went along. Sun came out, got a little bit windier, was really dry. And then here we were this morning and
Starting point is 00:03:33 there's a mist in the air, there's a heavy marine layer, there's no wind. Simmingly they they watered some greens yesterday late in the day and it was soft. It was soft and I think they moved some teas up because they were afraid of pace of play. They were worried about getting everybody around. They wanted to ramp it up as we go. And I'm disappointed. First and foremost, I can't control what the USDA does. This doesn't change my thoughts on the golf course at large.
Starting point is 00:04:01 I think I'll wait for two or three days. I think it's a much more interesting golf course than say a wing foot. There's a ton of varieties still out there. You still got to hit the shots. But I'd like to see a much different, much more difficult test tomorrow. I will say to those that were tuning in hoping to get a big Randy rant. We must disclose big Randy did have a death in the family this past week. Unfortunately, this is not a joke. So he will not be around this week. He most certainly would have been had he been available with what we witnessed today. So, Dean.
Starting point is 00:04:30 I think for his mental health, it's probably good he's not watching this this week. It's probably no thing. I don't think he'd be having a good time. Here's what I'm going to say. We're going to get to the golf course. We're going to talk about the golf course a lot. I'm sure there's going to be a lot of complaints about the golf course. I'm kind of fine.
Starting point is 00:04:45 I don't know. Maybe it's just me. I'm gonna give it four days. It's a four day golf tournament. The leaderboard's fucking awesome. You still like had shots out there that you don't see week to week on the PJ tour. There's a lot of like, can you hit it or can you not shots that still were really good? There were still a dividing line between good shots and great shots.
Starting point is 00:05:03 Pins were pretty easy today. I think they're only going to get harder. I think that golf course sucks takes are going to not age well. I just want to get ahead of that. Sure, if you didn't have fun watching today, not going to yuck anybody's yums, I totally get that. I had a good time watching today for the most part. I really want to use my time up front to shout out Ricky Fowler, man. I like, I love
Starting point is 00:05:27 Ricky. I don't know. I had a blast watching Ricky try to try to take it as low as he could. It's so fun to watch and play well again. I hope he wins a major. I hope he wins a major in Southern California. I'm here for it. I hope he sticks around and I'm happy to see that. So I'm just going to start with a little optimism. KVV, bring us down. What do you got? Optimistic or pessimistic? Unfortunately, I'm gonna go pessimistic. The atmosphere out there today sucked. I'm not, I'm not overly...
Starting point is 00:05:53 It's just not unexpected, right? I wasn't unexpected. I think we heard some things, the only week that helped us kind of understand that this was gonna be a very corporate US open. All of the LACC members of which there are a thousand plus, I think, got four tickets for every day, and so the lot of the other tickets were sold to corporations. From what we understand, there's only like 4,000 tickets available to like the general
Starting point is 00:06:18 public every day, 4,000. You can tell out there that it is pretty tame, that it is, it lacks the routiness. I, you can tell in TV too. You can definitely, especially coming off Boston last year was epic. That's fantastic. I was out there very, at the, I walked all day with Scotty and Max and, you know, just with Colin
Starting point is 00:06:39 and wanted to sort of write a little bit about Scotty, we can get in that later, but the very first T-Shots that they hit, I'm not kidding, there was one clap like for the first tee, one clap, and it was like a half-hearted clap. It was like, you really know. Yeah. One clap, you know. It was weird. I mean, I've been to a lot of majors,
Starting point is 00:07:00 and later in the day, you know, someone got kicked out for screaming at Phil Mickelson wearing a sombrero, so that was kind of the one, maybe, rowdy weird thing that happened. But he was doing his part. I don't know. You don't even hear the like the stupid mashed potatoes, you know, Bobbobuyshit that much, which is a plus, but also was like kind of become part of the, you know, so open weird identity. I don't know. I just was a little bit kind of bummed that that was what it's
Starting point is 00:07:26 ultimately felt like. I'm going to defend LACC while not defending today's setup. There was not going to be a lot of conditions today. There were not a lot forecasted. It said it was supposed to be steady at eight miles an hour, gusting to 15 this afternoon. I didn't see any of that. I saw absolutely none of that actually come to fruition. But they had forecast. They had to know that this was going to be a benign day. I think they got totally spooked on pace of play. I mean, it's been something a lot of players have talked about. Basically, everyone in the media has said this is going to be a total disaster. They got these long par threes. They got these drivable fours. He's reachable fives. It just all added up to a pace of play disaster. And I don't think they needed to move seven and 11 up.
Starting point is 00:08:07 Like the two long par threes that were supposed to be the ball busting par threes that were supposed to tame backscoring a little bit and also supposed to slow down play the most were both up. And that was surprising and neither whole played that difficult today. Combine that with pins that weren't aggressive at all. I mean, very, very tame. Some very easy pins, 15, with no conditions that pin just over that mound is just not that difficult for guys
Starting point is 00:08:33 to stuff that shot in there on 15. How do I funnel pin? Yeah, and a little backstop behind it with the lack of firmness, everything about LACC that had us raving about it, had us jacked about it, was based on this element of firmness that required the angles that made things, made it work, right?
Starting point is 00:08:50 When it's soft and there's no conditions, these wide fairways are gonna be good scoring. I think we said this on the preview. I said, I thought there'd be a first round 64. I thought there'd be low scores, just because you can thread the needle out there and you can achieve that, you know, you can put up some big numbers.
Starting point is 00:09:03 I was surprised it was this easy. And I think they can ramp it up in a heartbeat. I think they just got overly spooked with the pay supply. I think pins do, right? Like, we touched it briefly, but like, it's firmness and it's pins. And when you don't have, like, those pins tucked in weird spots and like, yeah, of course the angles aren't gonna matter.
Starting point is 00:09:21 Yeah. Right? Like, watching some of these guys, like, Roy shot on, what was that 13, hacking out of that left rough and just running it up there kind of right next to, not right next to the whole bit, like with a really good look, I mean it was an amazing golf shot, but it was also like,
Starting point is 00:09:34 you know you kind of just had to hit a, hit a straight ball and bounce one up there. And it's gonna be a lot different when those things start getting tucked a little bit. Conditions look relatively similar tomorrow. It's concerned that the Marine layer, you know, wears off. It looks like through the weekend it should get
Starting point is 00:09:52 sunnier and sunnier, which I think is a big component. But yeah, at your point, Sally, I mean, 7 in 11, Bodenhammer said he ran 500 different simulations through account for pace of play. That's a lot of simulations. The data boys must love that. Did it was aim point used in his simulations? I wonder if you had the full accounting of all the factors that have gone into this. Nobody shot 80 or above,
Starting point is 00:10:18 which is disgrace in the US open. I think that's that's tough, even I know it's a par 70, but uh, that's, that's going to be tried. Shut up. It's too easy for Tommy. We've been over this many times. It's shit. Shut up. It was too easy for him. We're not doing that tonight.
Starting point is 00:10:36 Okay. That was convenient. That's convenient. That was the Biden Trump debate moment where he just goes, oh, shut up, man. Who you shut up, man. You shut up, man. So I could bring a politics in this podcast. I'm gonna sit. Let me just lay it out.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Why are people bummed today? Amazing leaderboards. Randy's whipped up all these people and Randy NTC have whipped up all these people into a fervor. You'll see a sharp. This is not your grandfather's US open. It should be borderline impossible. I don't want to see good shots rewarded.
Starting point is 00:11:06 People have had the, there was a change of the goal. No, we ever said that. We just said we wanted to see a distinction between good shots and great shots. I feel like the complaining has gotten out of scale, T.C. You need to tell the electrons to stand out and say, I'm trying, I got all these Boston people reaching out to me saying that how dare you say that this place is better than
Starting point is 00:11:24 Brooklyn, this place doesn't this place is better than Brooklyn. This place has even hold a candle to Brooklyn. I don't control how John Boddenhammer and Scott Langley and the boys set it up. I don't. T.C., what would you have done today in your expert setup opinion to? Ineconomists. What were the sonotics? What were the soil levels this morning when you tested it?
Starting point is 00:11:41 I was actually talking to a few of the greenskeepers and superintendents this morning. They were giving me the moisture readings and everything. The speeds were not an issue. It was simply, it was simply the firmness. This course plays firm every week. The members, they talked to me and said, hey, this place plays firm. It's plays firmer and faster than normal golf courses. So there was a lot of left pins out there.
Starting point is 00:12:07 This seems like there seems like a perfect golf course for the, oh, we play it harder for the member guest in this. Like, I can't believe we didn't get one of those. KVV, I need you to go scour the, the, the members, uh, lounge tomorrow to see if you can get one of those takes. No, the members are on the saniting public. There's also a whole grandstands that are only allowed for the members. Yeah, the one behind 15's tough.
Starting point is 00:12:27 Like behind like the signature par three on the course that, hey, we're going to we're going to restrict this one. The easiest grandstand to get to from most of the course. It's tough for people to get around out there. This is not a good spectating open. It is not quite Chambers Bay level bad, but it is hard for people that you can see them getting trapped in bottleneckton places. Nobody's breaking ankles like they were at Chambers Bay, but it's tough. I think I would be pretty
Starting point is 00:12:53 bummed if I were a fan watching. On that note, that's really interesting, because we've just spent the last week to 10 days talking about the solosness of the PJ tour and late stage capitalism of golf and all of these things. And a line that was in Wolfie's office hours really stuck with me when he was talking about how good of a West Coast anchor site LACC would be for the USGA, right? And I think a lot of that has to do with
Starting point is 00:13:19 what they can do from a hospitality standpoint, right? And what they can do from a corporate, like their corporate sales have got to be astronomical. I think they're two and a half X, the thing normally. I'm like, which is so outrageous. And then you also get like later TV coverage,
Starting point is 00:13:35 prime time TV coverage, which like probably better ad rates, all of those things like everything on paper stacks up for this to be just like a grand slam for the USJ to just keep coming back here and keep coming back here. And so it's a little tough after round one to have all the fans be like, this fucking blows and have KVVB like, you know, nobody's out there. This is like the worst fan experience ever is like, you know what, man, that kind of tracks with
Starting point is 00:13:58 everything over the past 10 days actually that, you know, we kept saying all the majors were the only thing left. But yeah, I don't know, KVB maybe we lost. I think it's going to, I think it's going to be fun. Let's, let's wave our arms here. No, I'm out, no, I was in a minute ago, but I'm out. If it continues like this, we're going to have a big problem. I think we are 25% of the way through the golf tournament. I think there's a long ways to go.
Starting point is 00:14:19 We've said this, I said this a wing foot, like you can't go backwards. Like if you screw up day one and make it two firm, it's really hard to regulate the rest of it. They went to firm on Saturday at Shinnecock in 2018 and had to water it over to some people. I thought it was great. Had to water it overnight and ruined it for Sunday. I, I, this is not gonna be a popular take, but in this era when the golf ball goes this far and the guys can control it the way they can, that it's not that difficult when they don't have conditions for them to go extremely low. It really is not, they can do incredible things with the golf ball.
Starting point is 00:14:52 I think this, again, firmness is going to make a lot of the precision shots around the green a lot more interesting. If you made a mistake today, you could scramble, right? And if it gets firm, the ball starts doing that extra 18 inches of rollout. It let little extra uncertainty of how a chip shot lands. An approach shot how it lands. The sixth hole is going to play totally different if it actually gets firm, but they've put themselves behind the eight ball because if it's this soft for day one, then I don't
Starting point is 00:15:18 know what they can do between tonight and tomorrow if they don't get sun to make it firm. I really, I don't. I know the sub-air helps you when you've got a lot of rain, but I don't know if it really helps you get it from this to like being firm for tomorrow. Yeah, I think too. It's, it's, I mean, some of it comes down to pins, but again, there's only so many, you know, there's only so many pins on some of these greens that are, that tough as well. Like, you know, do you burn that pin on pen on that front right wing on five, same thing with three, same thing with 12? I don't know. There's only so much you can need to tuck it.
Starting point is 00:15:51 I wonder, at this point, does the USGA stand for anything? Are they getting so spooked? No, I don't know the answer. I don't think they, like, I think they do. I have confidence in John Bodenhammer and the gang, I think, to, you know, kind of figure this out, but it just seems like over and over again, they seem to be, I thought they did a good job last year overall. I thought it was a little bit tame the first couple of days, but I think they seem to be airing on the side of the player very often.
Starting point is 00:16:26 Maybe. I don't know if I totally agree with that. I guess I would ask, what do you think not to get to, you know, a personickity here, but like what's the point, right? What would you like them to stand for? Because it's not suffering for the point of suffering, I don't think. I think the point should be to identify the best golfer. And that's why I think you look back at the US Open and like we talked about this with Chambers Bay and we talked about it with Aaron Hills and you know all these different places where like oh, that was so bad. That was so bad.
Starting point is 00:16:55 It's like, dude, the best player absolutely won at all of those places. And the best player is going to win this week too. And that's why I think you look at this leaderboard and especially in the morning, there was so much good separation between Ricky and Zander and everybody else, right? Like there were a couple guys at three, Scotty was at three, kind of artificially at three, should have been a four missed that bunny, but, but that was like true separation between the guys who were playing 99 out of 100 golf and the guys who were playing 50 out of 100 golf. nine out of 100 golf and the guys were playing 50 out of 100 golf. And it seemed like the afternoon got a little easier and obviously scores were a little lower, but I still think it's doing that and is going to continue to do that. So that's where it's kind of like, do we want guys hacking out of the rough just to say
Starting point is 00:17:36 that we've made them hack out of the rough or are we trying to identify the best player? No, that's a good point. I think I guess where I'm struggling is, and it's all relative, but it doesn't seem like the things are really, you know, like we're separating out the guys that are playing mediocre from the guys that are playing okay. Like there's just so many guys that from minus three to even par, you know. And I know that you could say that that would be the same from even to plus three if, you know, if the setup was different, but I don't know. I mean, sorry, you always come back to shop value, right?
Starting point is 00:18:14 Like is the shop value out there? Well, to that, I, to say that's so far again, right? I don't think today was great. And again, I think if we get three more days of this, it's overall not great, but they do have time to ramp it up. And I think it will go that way. I do think the shot value is out there, but not to the level that it'll probably get to when things firm up. Like I said, like, I don't know, just watching some of the spots guys were missing, it just wasn't that fearful. I mean, watching where Rory hit it on six
Starting point is 00:18:39 off the tee today was like, all right, you can kind of hit that chip up there. And it's not that bad. I mean, saw his struggle to get that chip up there. But for the most part, it just wasn't like a disaster, exacerbating misses today. And I don't know, man, it's just, it's hard to look at that leaderboard and not think that those guys got went out and got it. And I know we say like, you know, when the leaderboard's good at Tory, we're not like, oh, yeah, see, like this is a really good rewarding golf course. I just think man, the path to getting to a winner is way more enjoyable for me.
Starting point is 00:19:06 I'm not telling people at home. You may like thick rough and narrow fairways and want to see guys suffer and just want to see it be brutal. For me, watching 11 hours of coverage today, I would much rather watch this style of play than that. That's where it nuts out for me. I think what's funny is if obviously this is unrealistic, but if I was not on Twitter all day, and weirdly, if there was no leaderboard on the telecast, yeah, right? If you didn't tell me where anybody stood
Starting point is 00:19:30 in relation to par, I'd be like, man, what a fucking great day. That was a blast watching those guys hit all those shots. And it's just because they get into like 62, they're breaking all the records, it's like, ah, well, this is not Oakmont, and this is not 1973, and like you can't really compare these two things, and that's what we're going to do. That's where I think it gets into just a little bit of, you know,
Starting point is 00:19:51 probably a little much for people. You know what's funny is that that Johnny Miller round, the 63 Oakmont, it became such like a sort of holy thing in the sport. No one's ever done this. It was just a hardest round ever. It was this mythical number. I remember even golf dite just writing this thing about whenever you start to flirt with like 60 break and 63, you know, Tiger Missed that, blipped out that pod and something hell's way back in the day. It was like bad shit happens because no one's meant to break 63. And then like now in this era, like when Bren and Grace did it and those two guys, I just felt kind of, I don't know, like, like it felt like a big let down and I don't know maybe it just wasn't
Starting point is 00:20:30 meant to be like it was they we wanted it to be like a historic thing right when that ever got broken like somebody broken in a final round somebody broke it to win not two dudes broke it in the first round of a place that we hadn't seen in 50 years and I think that's part of the sort of like lack of excitement which I'm Johnny Miller's was Sunday, Oakmont final round to win. 63. Right.
Starting point is 00:20:49 That's why it was a different. I don't care that they broke the record and it shut the lowest US open round never. Like they're playing with 460 C.C. frying pans and golf balls that go forever. Like it's a steroid era of not literally, but like it's, they're all playing with, possibly literally.
Starting point is 00:21:03 Possibly. Or the T.C TC every once on everything. But that, well, that's, I was gonna say the same thing that like I think you watch baseball and you watch guys, you know, chase records in baseball and because they've kind of, you know, they've manipulated the baseball at times and they've slowed it down
Starting point is 00:21:18 and they've done all these different things that like when you watch Aaron Judge try to hit, you know, 61 home runs, all of a sudden you're like, oh my god, like this, this is it. Like this means something to the American sudden you're like, oh my God, this is it. Like this means something to the American League and it means, oh my, we're talking Roger Maris, we're talking about all these things and it's just not the same when it's like,
Starting point is 00:21:32 oh, and on the other side of the golf course, Brandon Grace, I guess he just shot 62. We're just receiving word. I guess that record is no longer stands. Anyways, over to seven. You know, so it's just, they're very different, different sports. Yeah, I think that's the treat them the same way.
Starting point is 00:21:50 DJ to your point, I think all this stuff's kind of co-lussing into one thing, like the lack of juice out there with the crowd. It's just kind of gray, right? I think that's part of it. Like I play this course a couple of times, and one, a couple of times it's been very sunny and a couple of, or in once it's been super cloudy.
Starting point is 00:22:05 It's a radically different experience when it's cloudy out there versus when it's sunny out there. The crowds certainly have something to do with it. The telecast has something to do with it. It was fucking brutal. It was awful. Like once again, it was awful. Can we save the hamster and the ad bashing because Mizzin' and Mayn is famous for their performance
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Starting point is 00:24:03 What's going to be going up on the website or what were some of your takeaways from today? You're on mute. You're on mute. Literally just tweeted it right now. I decided entirely about Scotty Shelfer's putting today. I will thought that that would be a fun interesting game to focus on,
Starting point is 00:24:22 just to sort of study every single put that he took today. And so walked all 18 with him and Max and Colin a lot of aim point and going on would have been a person aim point group of account Teddy. And there's a silly so it would have been a tough one for you. I think what's interesting as we were talking a lot amongst the other media there, I think I don't want Scotty to start overthinking putting too much. He's always been a good putter, and I think that, I don't want him to fall down a rabbit hole
Starting point is 00:24:50 of tinkering too much, or trying to different different putters, or just kind of going, you know, bockers in terms of like trying to figure something out. Like it's just in a sort of slump a little bit, and it's a bad slump, but I think that he's gonna sort of come out of it, and maybe today was come out of it and
Starting point is 00:25:10 Maybe today was the beginning of it. Oh, there were still signs of like it's kind of lingering in there like demons often do I know you were obviously out in the golf course Fallen him, but it was awesome having Brad Faxon in on the on the call just obviously one of the One of the foremost putting instructors in the world and his big takeaway was kind of I think what you're saying to KVV Like man, he just looks like he's trying to hit perfect puts. He looks like he's trying to make it look really good. And that is so not him. And it's, I can't imagine being a professional athlete and trying to fight against that,
Starting point is 00:25:36 you know, having all of that available to you and every putting coach available to you and all the data available to you and all the instruction and just trying to be like, no, no, just put like your 12. It like has to be unbelievably hard, especially how the fuck is the US open? And that's that's facts and this whole thing. These down with Rory just be athletic, kind of get back there and see the putt and you
Starting point is 00:25:55 know, it's it's some hard some maybe he's doing this thing now or is kind of like stepping off the line and he's he's putting, you know, taking practice putst over every single part of the line. So moving back to feet, moving back to more feet, moving back to more feet. And I think it worked a little better today than, he was grinding on the putting green for like two hours yesterday, which...
Starting point is 00:26:13 Same thing on Tuesday. Yeah, it seems like a lot, but, you know, it's obviously, it must be kind of funny, like, to be so freaking good at so many elements of golf, and I think I wrote in my piece, he's a genius with 13 clubs in his bag. And this one thing just keeps dragging back. But it's only for the last three months, really.
Starting point is 00:26:33 It's not been a constant thing in his career, Deach. I think my favorite metaphor in your piece, I read it before we came on, was you said he's like Superman dodging all this rubble and killing all these bad guys and then tripping on the stairs to go shake the mayor's hand afterwards. It's just so good. That's exactly how it feels.
Starting point is 00:26:52 It's worth acknowledging he did have a good putting day and I know it just like what a, like the air out of the balloon and the mist, not touching the hole from three feet seven inches on a par pot on 18 when he gave his birdie putt a good run. It looked like he was freed back up. He had a miss early on on six that just looked like a dead, just a dead giveaway easy birdie putt up the hill. And it also didn't touch the hole. And then from then on, he putt it really, really well.
Starting point is 00:27:16 He was the Scotty Sheffler ball striker for about a 10 hole stretch that we've been waiting to see and hoping to see. And then just what an air out of the balloon kind of probably sent him back to the putting green when he could have gone to bed tonight Like thinking about how great he put it today. He ended it with a horrific miss on 18 and Concerning that I picked him and I'm heavily invested in this and that was a huge bummer He does have a little bit of that rom thing going on tell you where if you ask him about the putting he's like There's no problem. I got on what you're talking about about the putting, he's like, there's not a problem. I got no one to talk about. It's different than Ron, but it's very much a little bit.
Starting point is 00:27:48 Don't talk about that. Let's move on. Let's move on. Let's move on. Yeah, I could say. He looks like he's trying to make it in the center of the cup. It has to go in the side. He's trying to make it in the side of every hole,
Starting point is 00:28:02 and that usually does not work very well. He did, he's put on four, like, lipped in. It was a par putt. And I think that kind of like made him breathe a little sigh of relief because he had had a lot of those lip out in other, you know, in colonial, memorial. And so I think he finally was like, okay, like,
Starting point is 00:28:20 maybe my luck's changing a little bit. So. Anything else noteworthy from today before we let you go tonight? What else stuck out to you? It was fun to see Max play well, I think. He very much was conscious of the fact that, you know, he's like, I've been putting too much
Starting point is 00:28:39 into like these first rounds and I stink in them. And so it was nice to actually go out and play the kind of golf that I actually know how to play and obviously like a lot was going into this, I mean, how many sort of questions that you have to get about, you know, you know, hold the course record here. It was so many people asking him, even today, like did other people seek you out and sort of ask your advice on this and Max is like, yeah, man, like I played the course like
Starting point is 00:29:01 seven times. Like I don't really think and the last time was like 2015. Like I don't really think, and the last time was like 2015, so I don't really think that professional golfers were coming to ask my advice on like how to play it. And I always love those sort of, it was funny to hear him talk about the Pac-12 back then. He was like, there was a time in my life when the Pac-12 seemed like the biggest thing in the world.
Starting point is 00:29:22 And now it's like, oh, I mean, he was open. And so it's like funny how your perspective changes over time. So I was proud of him just to see him play well. You know, it's a hard thing to have all that pressure on you. And he got off to a good start finally. So maybe that's, you know, maybe go out and he'll be the one shoot 63 tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:29:38 I think a big thing to take away from his round today too was like, you didn't do anything exceptional, right? And it's the kind of one where he talked about this a ton in his, his pre-tournament press conference and how mental it is for him and how it's not really a physical thing. And like this kind of seems like one of those rounds, just like we've talked about in the past where, you know, old Max would have missed a cut this week. I think old Max would have shoot, you know, would have shot one over today or two over. Like the way he, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:04 he hit his irons pretty good, but didn't make a ton of puds, didn't drive it, totally great, and still hung up like a really nice score in 68. And that is a really positive sign to me. Totally. I think my other one closing thought I'm sure you guys will talk about it more, but Rory just seemed kind of relaxed this week.
Starting point is 00:30:19 Didn't seem like he was stressing too much over. It seems like some of the drama over the merger stuff has kind of starting to fade for him a little bit. And he was very chatty. I think he took an interesting approach to which it was to not overthink this, to show it up on Monday and just go out and figure out the course. And one of the days just walked with the putter in a wedge. And I think that looseness sort of showed up today. Like he wasn't really sort of grinding over in the pack rounds and being like, all right, this is so important that I get back off the thing.
Starting point is 00:30:50 I think he's just kind of like, I'll be like, man, I'll let this come to me. And I think that probably infuriates some people who want him to stop wasting his talent. But I think that that's probably a better approach for him at this moment. That's the way not to waste his talent, right? Although he was pretty sloppy coming in,
Starting point is 00:31:05 like, you know, 18, notwithstanding even like the wedges into 16 and 17 were tough. Yeah, turned a little bit into a pumpkin coming down the street. Really good front nine though. Like, he looked like Roy Foggy, McAroy, on the front nine. That was like the different, the note I had written down was like the reason that we talk about him so much is because of the way he looked on that front nine, where it's just like, man, I'm gonna use all of my innate effortless tools to make this so fucking easy. That when I do screw up, it's fine.
Starting point is 00:31:34 I got plenty of cushion and whatever, and then on that back nine, he was back to being like, oh God, you kind of look like another guy that just needs to have a perfect week, man. And that's what was not. Driving the shit out of me. Driving the shit out of me. I needs to have a perfect week, man. And that's what was not... Driving the shit out of it. Driving the shit out of it. I don't know how to describe this, but there's something about when he finishes with his
Starting point is 00:31:52 long irons, the way he's finishing right now, the gut swing on seven was so good. Yeah. When a full and complete finish, it just looks like everything's in control yet on his wedges. When he is finishing way short of a full finish, I feel so much better. It feels like sometimes he's trying to max out wedges way too much and does too much with him. And today, his shot into 12 today was just kind of like,
Starting point is 00:32:13 man, that's a little different, that's a US open wedge right there, right? It's just kind of abbreviated finish a little bit. He missed a short right of that pin. He did not make in the putt, but it was just like, man, that's the kind of, the shot into 18 just looked like he was trying to's the kind of, like the shot into 18, just looked like he was trying to do too much
Starting point is 00:32:26 with the shot that we absolutely hate that he pulled, that he pulls. I'm gonna write down these guys this, Kevin, and I know we gotta send you, but you gotta make your, you're picked to win as of after 18 holes, would you change anything or who would you say, if you look at this leaderboard right now,
Starting point is 00:32:38 who's the guy? Well, I picked Brooks Capgill to win. So he right now earns my big sort of late-enegg award. I was just super bummed. I thought I'd become such a believer in Brooks and feel like, yeah, this is the dude until he proves that he's not. You know, that's so hard for me to pick the top two guys on the board because they have just had some real tumbles.
Starting point is 00:33:01 I'm going to stick with Scotty. So I don't know that the putting is figured out But I think that he had some interesting comments at the end of his Prescribing today and he was like talking about how dumb it was that he made a bogey on one Because it's such an easy hole and like you just can't make a bogey there But he was like, you know what in majors? I kind of know that like that isn't that big of a deal in a regular tournament I'd be like might be like man man, I'm already way behind,
Starting point is 00:33:25 I'm everybody's gonna make four there. And he was like, in this one, I'm just kinda like, yeah, a bunch of guys aren't gonna be able to handle the pressure going forward. So I feel pretty good about my ability to handle that. I was like, it's kind of the first cocky thing that I've heard Scottie say that's sort of like, just feeling like, yeah, I'm gonna be one of those people
Starting point is 00:33:42 who likes it when it gets a little harder and it's gonna get a little harder. So I'll stick with Scotty. KVV, what any observations on Moorakawa? I'm starting to get you all sense wow. He's got two majors. You've got him for eight. You know, he was going to win major suits, Holly, all right. So you know what was interesting watching him with Max and Scotty is how much shorter he is off the tee than them. And I don't think Max has been like stupid long.
Starting point is 00:34:14 I do think Scotty is ridiculously long and some holds me. He is just pounding drive. This sound when Scotty hits driver is big, big stuff. I mean, it's like what DJ sounded like in his prime to me. I just don't know what, I don't know that Mark Howe's, he's not as sharp with his irons, maybe that he was when he was like truly great. And he's spraying the ball kind of little offline and he's way behind the other guys. And all this talk of like, oh, Colin Mark Howe's six iron is as good as your pitching
Starting point is 00:34:42 wedge. I didn't see any that to the end of today. What's the body language like? Is the back like, you know, I know he's, I know he's nearing down to put the team in the ground and all that. The back didn't feel like it was a huge issue to and see him like, so we're just wincing or stretching with it. So it maybe he's not able to generate the kind of power, but with
Starting point is 00:35:02 the back scene feeling kind of tender. The body language is okay. I will say that Max and Scotty were kind of very chatty and we're talking all throughout the thing to each other and their caddies and Mark, I was just kind of by himself a lot. And maybe that was just still like who he is as part of his process of trying to figure this out, but I don't know. He doesn't feel right now like he's an elite player. And I think the world ranking sure that he's like falling all the way down to 18th or something now.
Starting point is 00:35:33 It's not what I thought of when that the I wonder how much it sort of shook him a little bit to get walked down by ROM in the very first term of the year because he looked so good through three rounds of that. And the chipping was like, oh, I figured it out. And chipping didn't seem like an issue today, but just doesn't seem like he's confident the way he once was. Yeah, I just, I had him kind of tabbed for like,
Starting point is 00:35:51 all right, this place sets up pretty well form as an iron player and just disappointed, you know. I don't mean to talk about somebody who's a weight on the board, but. Yes, you do. No, it's interesting. It's an interesting group. It's exactly what you do.
Starting point is 00:36:03 Yeah, see if, so. All right, Kev We're gonna send you on your way enjoy a wonderful night on the west coast and enjoy a Friday We'll see you back here tomorrow for our live show tomorrow night. Cheers Next segment here is brought to you by our partners draft King sports book draft Kings offers nearly endless ways to get in on all the golf betting Actually, be sure to check them out and get some skin in the game. Let's take a look at the odds after round one. I love looking at the odds. I look at the odds I halfway through the first session just to see kind of what bookmakers,
Starting point is 00:36:33 how they're reacting to what's going on on the golf course and who they think is real and who they think is not. Zander Schoffley is now the favorite. We haven't talked a lot of Zander yet. After he shot at the lowest round ever in the US open today 62. He's the favorite at plus 320. Rory second on the board plus 450. Scotty at plus 650.
Starting point is 00:36:54 Despite being five shots back. And then Ricky is also a tie with Scotty at plus 650 DJ who shot a six under par. 64 today is 800. Windom Clark 1200. What jumps out to you guys? John Rahman 1800. What jumps out when you look at this odd sheet, Deach? So listen to the preview pod. I would have had the same feelings probably about Zander and Cantlay and all those guys. I think that would have been stupid looking at the numbers
Starting point is 00:37:23 and I might say something that might shock and offend people, but is Xander the best US Open player on the planet, like other than maybe like Brooks Capka? I'm good. I'm good. And T.C., you're well within your right, too. Listen, I, again, I put my media hat on so I can't, I can't play favorites. He's played in, he's played in six US opens.
Starting point is 00:37:44 Would you like me to read the results? It's great. Yeah, I know, I know he has a one one. He has not won one. Neither of you. T14, T7, fifth, T3, T6, T5. That's his entire US open resume. And that's one that's like, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:59 Dij, maybe should have put some nuggies there. Probably could have saw that would come in with just a little more research. But do I think he's going to win? I don't know. It's a very interesting question. But like, man, you got a TC correcting in previous tweet of mine. You do got a head to it because at the USO, but he has absolutely showed up literally every fucking time he's played the tournament.
Starting point is 00:38:21 Are you nervous about he was one of your picks not to win? I think you said it maybe two or three times on there. Are you nervous about you? He was one of your picks not to win. I think you said it maybe two or three times on there. Are you nervous about that TC? No, I'm trying, like always, I'm trying to find that fine line of like if it's, it's, it's normal thing. I've been perfect shape. Yeah. Yeah. So how do you, how do you feel about Xander? I feel like I've, I've written for him pretty hard amongst you. He has taken his media hat. Okay. That's right away.
Starting point is 00:38:48 It's so bad. I feel like I've written pretty hard and stuck up for his record a little bit. I feel like he gets shot on for not winning a lot when in reality, he's one quite a bit. I mean, seven PGA tour wins plus a gold medal. I know some of one of them's a team one. Metal doesn't count. I'm just like, I'm just saying he's got it. It's better than Rose's fucking Zika gold medal. He's got to get that thing out of here.
Starting point is 00:39:12 He's got a tour championship win. Like I don't know. I ride for Sanders record a little bit, but he's had chances to win major championships and not made it happen. He does have 10 top 10s in 24 career majors. I don't think he's gonna win, right? I know he's the favorite right now,
Starting point is 00:39:28 but I just don't think he's gonna win. You love riding for guys who don't, who like aren't gonna win, like Big Ton. I mean, Big Ton won six times after I rode for him. So yeah, I would do that. I would do that. I would do that. I would bring that up.
Starting point is 00:39:42 Let me ask you this way. Let me try to lawyer you guys into seeing this, the way I'm seeing it. Do you think Xander's just never going to win a major? Like, do you think he's going to end his career with zero majors? No. He might like Jimmy Walker won. Yeah, and that's where it's going to like,
Starting point is 00:39:54 yeah, this kind of makes sense. Like, it's going to happen. He's absolutely like in the prime of his career. I'll retell. He's played well at this tournament forever. So you see your pick to win? Right now, maybe. I don't know, man. Scottie's interesting, obviously. But I'm a Ricky. No, no, he's talking about Ricky. I talked about Ricky. You guys haven't even said it. You won't even say his name out
Starting point is 00:40:18 loud. He's in my picks. He's in my. I live. I live. I that are weighed out the leaderboard. We've 45 other guys. Well, I only have five plays. And granted one of them was a three way play. So I'd eat seven guys. We got team Rose 76. I believe I heard that would from you. Adam Scott Adam Scott. So stay focused here. We got to stay focused. We will talk about. Yeah, listen. I'll own your your you said quote, quote, we're trying to make picks earlier this week. And you said I'm only going to pick speed max Tommy Rose and Adam Scott. So I just I can't be impartial in this conversation. I'm sorry. Those are my picks. Look at my draft Kings plays this week.
Starting point is 00:41:01 We're good. Let's move on. Let's move on. Let's move on. I picked region. Let's move on. Let's move on. Let's move on. Let's move on. Let's move on. Let's move on. Dan, so can we talk about Ricky? We can't. I'm ready to hit you with some shit. I'm dying for it, TC. It was, so I just thought I found this interesting. Usually after round one, I like to pull the sustainability models out. No, don't hit them with this. No, listen, well, you give me one second. Usually I do and it's spot on, TC was ripping on it last time when I caught out DJ at the PGA and DJ felt like T50. Anyways, the point is usually somebody has a fluke putting around in round one and is inflated
Starting point is 00:41:39 way up the leaderboard. I know we didn't miss about 15 feet. The top five guys on the board on the actual leader board are also the top five guys in Stroke's game T-Degrees. Like the dudes that are at the top right now were the best players T-Degrees on the day. Scott Ricky was also the number one putter on the day. While he was fourth stroke's game T-Degrees, Zander was second in ball striking fifth fifth in putting. DJ was number one T to green
Starting point is 00:42:07 and actually lost strokes on the green and shot six under today, which is quite startling, but there's not really anything to identify in terms of like fluke putting going on near the top. Honestly, the rib had a really good putting day and was only the eleventh T to green. It was the only thing that kind of stuck out. But it was, I think that's, you know, as people are ripping on LACC, just because the scores are low
Starting point is 00:42:28 doesn't mean that it's not like a proper golf course that's rewarding the proper style of golf. So I mean, even Ricky in his post run interview though was like, yeah, I made some mid-range parts, which that doesn't happen very often. He was number one. He gained four and a half shots on the greens. Yeah, but he also was struck the shit out. He shot the, I mean, little court, US Open Record. It was totally. He gained nine and a half shots total today, which is like one of the six.
Starting point is 00:42:53 There's they basically has his and Sanders round like the sixth best US Open round in the strokes game. So like in the last 20 years. So scoring average was 71.5 then. Yes, something like that. I forgot what I don't know what it actually settled in. We started the show before we went. Were there any splits between morning and afternoon? Or was it pretty even? So I was stunned with this. The afternoon played four tenths of a shot easier, which that was supposed to be windier. I don't know if they were right. If there were more mules in the in the morning wave or what, but I really did think it was going to ramp up a little bit.
Starting point is 00:43:25 I'm now those guys have also a clean morning tomorrow, even less wind than they played with this afternoon for tomorrow morning, like that wave is gonna, hope, I don't know, probably has a chance to get out and run tomorrow. And maybe there's a little bit of wind in the afternoon, but there won't be wind in the morning tomorrow. So, do you think people realize
Starting point is 00:43:42 how good Ricky's been playing? No. No. I brought him up it for the Ryder Cup team and everyone rolled their eyes. You included me included. I did. Really? And then I've been I've been I wrote it in my notebook and you know, I'm with you now. He's finished top 20 literally in eight of his last nine tournaments. It's crazy. He has been the sixth best American over the last six months. A head of Max Homa, a head of Jordan speed, the head of Brooks Keppka, a head of Cameron Young, which might be a problem. We might need to address at some point.
Starting point is 00:44:13 You had a good message today. What do you mean? Somebody needs to unplug him and plug it back in. Yeah, because Cameron Young and then plug him back in. He's breaking. He's maybe up to the cartridge too. You might need to get, so you might need to reach out to Paul to story for an apology. It's possible. I talked, we're fine.
Starting point is 00:44:32 We're gonna be fine. We just gotta give him a little bit of time. Good to see signs of life from DJ. Windham Clark also is like firmly, he's taking a grasp on that 12th Ryder Cup spot. And his ascension seem to hate that. His ascension is very real. He's been playing some very, very, very serious golf lately and hits it
Starting point is 00:44:50 really far and his iron play has gotten way better. He has been the sixth best American over the last three months. So just something to keep an eye on with that one. So something something I want to keep an eye on is your weather app. You're using an unapproved weather app. Okay. All these movies told you to miss every like, oh, God, it says, it says 50% chance of rain, like four days from now.
Starting point is 00:45:13 Should we cancel this trip? I don't have your budget, TC. I don't have to do better. I don't, I invest in crypto. Okay. I can't afford your weather. We haven't talked, we haven't talked enough about the rib yet. I want to ask, are we? DJ, can we do DJ before you do the rib?
Starting point is 00:45:32 Sure, go ahead. You played great. He looks great. He totally Icaritoed it into. That was a line there. And then it was. That was like the value of having John Wood on the telecast was that exact moment of just like man I've like been inside the ropes with DJ so many times what he was trying to do is hit this little cut hold it up against the wind and
Starting point is 00:45:53 it just did not cut. I've seen the shot a thousand times and that's exactly what went wrong. What a good like good learning moment shot at the John wood that was all about sustainability model. Solly or the strokes model, Sally? Fourth stroke, skamed off the tee. First stroke, skamed approach. Ninth stroke, skamed short game. 72nd putting. I'm betting on the putter to turn around. I'm buying DJ. What, when I said these numbers,
Starting point is 00:46:16 what part was, was unclear about when I, when I've read you these numbers. Oh, I think it's, I think DJ, I'm buying. I think, I think we saw the floor today. This is a DJ golf course, man The rim selling I think I'm selling DJ really yeah, I don't I don't know I got nothing to really back that up other than I guess it's just kind of You know, a recency bias and that like we just I don't know man I don't think you like roll out of bed and win majors
Starting point is 00:46:42 I know that Brooks kind of proved that incorrect, but it also seems like Brooks has been working his ass off. And it's, you know, color me just a hair skeptical of whether we've seen the same thing from Dustin. I think it hasn't been great in the majors, ma'am. Well, everything we project out depends on the conditions, right? I mean, if we're talking about this getting fast firm and I'm like, I'm selling the rib
Starting point is 00:47:04 and I'm selling DJ right now. And this getting fast firm and I'm like I'm selling the rib and I'm selling DJ right now and I'm buying Brooks and I'm buying Scotty and I'm buying ROM like I think there's good like I'm buying Hovelin if that happens I'm buying the gravity of the dudes that have been hitting it the best You know the gravity of the leader board of some guys fallen down the guys that have been truly been hitting it the best leading up into this I think we'll start to separate but I I think if this I think we'll start to separate. But I think if this becomes the offensive US open, I think Roy can definitely win it. Like I feel extremely good about it.
Starting point is 00:47:30 If it stays like this, he can win this tournament. But I think if it gets just the precision shots with wedges get that much tighter, he would not be the guy I turn to right now. And DJ probably wouldn't either. I think that's well said. I think that's a good way to think about it. I think it's gonna be a tale of two tournaments. I think we're going to get another one of these
Starting point is 00:47:47 tomorrow. And then I think it's going to kind of flip as we head into Saturday and they're going to really, really ramp it up. What do you think the lead is tomorrow? Probably 11. I was going to say 10. And I think that's the winning score too. I said that for the week. I think we think in 10 to 12 before the week and still liking that. Both of those morning guys, yeah, going off in Ricky and Xander both going off in the afternoon tomorrow is interesting, depending on, you know, if they get some wind and they get a little more firmness. Yeah, I think somebody at that, you think somebody at that five, six numbers is going to go shoot four or five again tomorrow?
Starting point is 00:48:22 Maybe one or two guys, like people online that are saying the winner's gonna be 20 under par and like that is just turning to the windum and. Long, long. Many people have lots. Yeah, a lot of people are doing their own research on this project. Just have a little bit of patience, all right?
Starting point is 00:48:37 We got a long, long ways to go in this thing. There's also six guys better than three under. Yeah, that's what I think everybody sees eight and is just like, oh, it must be eight eight eight seven seven seven seven six six six six five five and that is absolutely not the case that the guys who played awesome today separated themselves. And otherwise there's, you know, there's not that much difference between three and zero and that's kind of like how supposed to be. And it's not going to get easier. It's not going to get easier. We're going to skip over a little Brian Harmon. It's always great, man.
Starting point is 00:49:08 I think that could be a Friday. If you still there on Friday, I think we could talk about that. Unless you have something to do like to. I just, I don't know. Yeah, I just respect his game, man. I respect that he's out there doing it. This is, it was kind of like an Aaron Hills type thing today and he was writing the mix at Aaron Hills.
Starting point is 00:49:24 That was, that's like, what are my favorite moments ever? I think in that old history was we were doing a draft kicks thing. We interviewed one of the guys who won a million dollars like, like playing like daily fantasy golf. And he was talking about how Harman was on his team. But he just was like, yeah, I mean Harman like he's, you know, he's always there. And we're all like, we thought he was like an expert on like, crafting teams and all this and he was totally doing it off gut. And like I feel like I feel like harming always does stuff, right?
Starting point is 00:49:49 So like he's on my team Every time a major comes around out like fuck man. Yeah, he's he's kind of played pretty good There he's like And you know, there's some Augustus stuff going on out there too, right? Like it's different, you know different side hill downhill kind of nippy bermuda You can kind of spray it off the tee a little bit. And there he is, man. I'm going to shut up Bryson against my better judgment. Guy was, you know, I think if we were making predictions of how Bryson was going to play in the majors this year before Augusta, we would have ended up looking very foolish because he's absolutely
Starting point is 00:50:25 showed up and played really good golf. So it's awesome to see. I think we've unequivocally around the side of like golf is much, much better and more fun and more interesting when Bryson's got late T times. He's still a, he's still a showed though. Sure. Well, yeah, for sure. I still find myself amazed at,
Starting point is 00:50:45 despite all the shitty things a lot of the people have done along the way, a lot of the lived dudes suing the tour and all the shit that's gone down and the dumb conversations. Dude, when Phil and Bryson come on the screen, I am rooting for him to make birdies. It's amazing. Like, Bryson is just, like, he's an asshole.
Starting point is 00:51:00 Like, I do not like the guy at all, but I still root for him to make birdies. Phil can't be much more of an asshole than he's been over the last couple years. And I was thrilled to see him get to 300 one point today. They're just invincible from that regard. I was also thrilled to see him lay the sod over it on six. That was all good. Cool.
Starting point is 00:51:18 See, I don't get a thrill out of it. It's like, that makes me feel like, dude, what hope do I have on in golf at open Adam Scott shanks one. I get really frustrated. People are like, oh, that makes me feel like, dude, what hope do I have on in golf at all? When Adam Scott shanks one, I get really frustrated. People are like, oh, that makes me feel so much better. I'm like, no, dude, we do not want this. That's a bad sign for all of us. But, but at the same time,
Starting point is 00:51:34 Bryson's using like a, you know, lob wedge is the same length as a seven iron. People forget, I believe that. Are you reporting that here? Is that? No, I'm just saying, it should make you feel better when he plays Sado over one. But it was filled at late the Sado over. That's over this point with.
Starting point is 00:51:51 I'm at I'm going to see he's locked, dude. Look at that. It says Kerti Amalus 246.9 yards off the tee today. Doesn't make any sense. That's not going to get it done. We're in a 380 out the tee today. Doesn't make any sense. That's not gonna get it done. We're in a 380 out of the first hole. I'm gonna ask you guys to come up with your biggest disappointment in the day on the other side of this because this episode is brought to you
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Starting point is 00:53:16 Uh, I'm going to say Brooks, I suppose probably an easy answer, T 56, uh, one over horrible start. Obviously was what three over through five, three56, one over, horrible start. Obviously was what, three over through five, three over through six, something like that, three over through six. Made a couple of birdies and got it back to one over, which is, you know, in any other major, like a totally serviceable score, but in this major was absolutely not what he needed to do today. So Brooks being nine back after round one is a bummer because of a lot of the
Starting point is 00:53:45 things we talked about after the PGA, which is, you know, five to four. Brooks is kind of the guy of this generation. And I think every time he tees it up, you're you're rooting for him to get to six and seven and eight and nine because, you know, you're you're kind of rooting on history a little bit. And now we're hoping for today out of him. I'm gonna I'm gonna piggyback off that because he's also my biggest disappointment, but I'm going to challenge that thinking a little bit because he was too over through one round at the P.J. championship, finished it nine under and won it. Yeah, and if we're saying the winning score is going to be around 10 under, like I think
Starting point is 00:54:19 that's possible. I do not think he's out of it. I do not think he's too far back. There's a lot of guys at one over that I do think are too far back, but Brooks is not one of them and I'm not, I'm not falling for it. I'm not going to fall for it until that man is dead. And we see his, we see the chalk outline. I will not believe that Brooks kept his out of it.
Starting point is 00:54:37 TC, there better be one fucking answer. TC, I want to hear one say name. Lot of different. Yeah. Right. Lot of different directly.. Right. Lotta different direction. Just a team rose.
Starting point is 00:54:47 We go that. I'm Scott ahead. High hopes for him this week. We go with solid boy JT plus three today. We go Tommy. We're not going to put we go Tommy. Oh, you're the worst. Yeah, he might be tired.
Starting point is 00:55:01 He might still be recovering from. He might be seeing a therapist after all the things that the Canadian fans said. We don't know if the Cades were called as hotel room waking about the middle of the night. Now, I'm gonna go with, I'm gonna go with a spieth. I thought that was a dog shit 72 today. Thank you. I was expecting a lot more,
Starting point is 00:55:19 followed him some on Tuesday. He looked great. I felt like this was gonna be a very speedy golf course, one birdie today, only one birdie, birdie the par five eighth, doubled the fifth, and he bogeyed the eleventh, otherwise it was all pars. Just didn't, you know, he was 97th off the tee, 92nd approach, 106 on the greens.
Starting point is 00:55:45 She's not gonna get it done guys. I'm gonna get it done. So bummed about speed. Hopefully we see a good one. I would love to see, like he would be a really fun person to go watch tomorrow. If you're out there, if you're one of the,
Starting point is 00:55:58 you know, a couple dozen people with the ticket's office street. I would go watch him. I bet he goes and does some pretty reckless shit tomorrow. It'll be interesting. So that's got. But I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to keep you guys the red meat for Tommy. We'll do the whole apology and I'll wear the tux and all that shit when the time is
Starting point is 00:56:14 right. That's what I'm saying. It's, it's nice. You've got so much heads up. You can probably get that big dry clean and pressed and ready to go. DC Tommy was fourth worst in the field in putting today, which none of us like celebrating. It's just, we just need to apologize. It's like, it's like, listen, it's not,
Starting point is 00:56:30 it's like when I tell you that American Airlines is something bad and you're saying, listen, TC, it's not good. I don't support it. I'm saying the same thing here, so. That's the closest we're gonna get to an apology. How short was that put phenomist today? It was like eight inches? It was not long. The comeback was I think shorter, it did almost miss this well, I'm not sure what he's going to do. I'm not sure what he's going to do. I'm not sure what he's going to do.
Starting point is 00:56:46 I'm not sure what he's going to do. I'm not sure what he's going to do. I'm not sure what he's going to do. I'm not sure what he's going to do. I'm not sure what he's going to do. I'm not sure what he's going to do. I'm not sure what he's going to do. I'm not sure what he's going to do.
Starting point is 00:57:02 I'm not sure what he's going to do. I'm not sure what he's going to do. I'm not sure what he's going to do. today, which I believe went inside of two feet and stuffed it for an eagle, which was one of the highlight shots of the day. What did you guys think of the sixth hole, Deach? I loved it, man. I'm obviously with you guys. Like, I'd love to see it get a little more firm. I'd love to see some, you know, a little more teeth and a little more puckering there.
Starting point is 00:57:19 But I liked what NBC did with the three lines, You know, the three kind of target lines is, I think it's, you know, the good judgment for me, it's kind of twofold. Like, one, do kind of like your eyebrows perk up every time that hole comes on the screen. And like, does that hole make you want to go play golf? And that massively checks both of those boxes for me. Every time it came on, was like, God, I just,
Starting point is 00:57:42 I kind of just want to go hit some wedges, man. I kind of just want to go nip some wedges somewhere. This looks really fun. So it lived up to the hype for me. That's one of the few spots in the course that does seem to have some juice. So there's people in that grandstand. There's people standing there behind that, that seventh tee. I don't know. That whole is seared in my memory. It's so good. I think it's only getting better with a front right pin. They can really, really dial that thing up. I think guys that play it well today, make it over aggressive, and there's just some really
Starting point is 00:58:16 bad spots to be. That whole is soft and the nine, as you'll find it. I'm really curious how the strategy, if you guys can't tell, it's pretty much all tweeted about all week, is I've never seen the strategy be this dividing in terms of usually when it comes to a semi-dravable for a drivable for like strategies almost always go for it,
Starting point is 00:58:38 or the penalty is so severe that nobody goes for it for whatever reason. And this seems truly divided. It seems like the guys that executed the shot to the right and got it on short grass, short of the green did very well. If Cody, if you can pull the graphic up again, it is all red dots short right of the green. Like anywhere in that front right tongue is really good. Yet if you got in that back bunker, you were toast only one birdie out of that back bunker. And a spot that a lot of guys were hitting practice shots from was this
Starting point is 00:59:08 rough to the right and that they set that pin on the left just far enough back in that green that if you drove it in that right rough, it banks so hard from right to left that you could not get it close and no one made birdie from that right rough today. So a lot of birdies were made by laying up to the left because you could stop it coming right out there and you had a little backstop behind it. Guys would get it very close, but there were also a fair amount of bogies from that spot
Starting point is 00:59:31 and doubles made from that side. Hayden Buckley did the solry route, which I would not have recommended to anyone. So yeah, I thought this scatter plot was your shot tracker from when we played. That's right in the film. I'm sure. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:59:44 I wanna give a shout out to you. Thank you for that. I want to give a shout out to you. If you're curious who that black dot closest to the T is, I believe it was the amateur Ben Carr who laid it up. He hit it 180 off the tee left himself, 190 in, which I don't think. I don't think he's seen play. I don't think that's true.
Starting point is 00:59:59 I mean, it made it routine for it though, baby. So it was the, I couldn't, it got to the point where I couldn't crunch the numbers because the data plots get too close. But the early numbers said like the layup was a slightly better play. And there were more, there were more bogies made from the left,
Starting point is 01:00:15 but there were more birdies made from the left. And I'll be curious to see how that has all changes as the day goes, the days go along and the firmness changes and the pin changes. But I thought that whole love, love seeing a hole that breaks the data boys brains. What, Joaquin laid up left himself, 199 in, who made birdie. Are these like chunks?
Starting point is 01:00:34 Well, what do we think is happening with this? I have no idea. He hit 195 off the tee and had 199 in. So he's like way out to the left. Is this, are you looking at the right hole? Cause that doesn't seem like that adds up to 300 yards. Well, there's angles and it's all the apps, the pros, it's, you know, because the app and the like the fact that you have to click into a new window on the website to go to shot tracker and all that stuff. Oh, I don't use, I haven't touched the app. I'm, I'm, no, no chance.
Starting point is 01:01:05 She, she, she from the app saw, saw his off the app. No chance for me. What do you guys, what do we think of three? Rob 1563 GK said is the fairway funnel on three setting up a Sunday at Olympic 1998 Divot controversy with love some drama in the last groups. I'm in on that.
Starting point is 01:01:22 It's funny. So, Tron and I played here quite a few years ago. And so, all that has been seared into my brain was like what shots I had in. And just to show you how different my game is, I remember walking like three was the first time where I was just like, oh my god, this course is going to be so hard for the US over these guys. I have no chance. And of course, I hear the broadcast like, this is by far the easiest hole of the day today. I'm like, yeah, all right, well, you know, I guess we don't have the same game, but the fact that they can all get it down there to that funnel is that's the shot with which I was not familiar. I do have to correct the record. Walking even had
Starting point is 01:01:56 one 12 in after hitting it. 199 off the team. So I didn't think that quite sounded right. So all right. Well, thank you. You can take it up with the shot. First shot, second shot. It's all the same as fucking volunteers out there. Oh, you're right. You're looking at radar data. I could see you're you're totally right. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:13 Thank you. So don't blame the volunteers Cody. That was classless of you. All right. That was totally. That's me. And now I need to issue an apology to Ben Carr who had 117. There you go.
Starting point is 01:02:22 Thank you for that. Don't get the these a do sweeper. Don't get them all fired up. You're crazy. Well, that's why I you go. Thank you for that. Don't get the these a do sweeper. Don't get them all fired up you Crazed well, that's why I just apologize. Thank you. All right to see Ricky heaven 150 to like I'm thinking I'm sitting here thinking five is gonna be a crazy Toughhole Ricky's hitting wedge into five You know, yeah uphill 473 I Don't know it's called broken Yeah, no one wants to I don't know. It's called broken.
Starting point is 01:02:46 Yeah. No one wants to listen to that, but like it's, yeah, it's just you, you pray for wind, man. Like when you don't have wind, it's just not going to happen. And I, I don't understand why people don't, we, we are totally fine with the British open being, hey, the conditions dictate the scoring and the slow and the wind doesn't blow. And it's high when it does, yet when the US open has the exact same thing happen,
Starting point is 01:03:08 like people get upset, I don't understand that. Yeah, I'm very much with you. I think one thing that's interesting and you know, I'm not necessarily making this point yet, but like, you know, it's a pretty foolproof way to get the conditions you want? Rough. That's one of my big takeaways from watching today is like, yeah, I'm with you guys.
Starting point is 01:03:31 This is how it's supposed to be. And this is, I love this challenge and all of these things, but like, God damn you need everything to go so right in order to actually test these guys without thick rough and trees and all of that stuff. And I think that this was a good, it's kind of good proof of that. It's like rough, rough kind of travels. It does what you think it's going to do every day. I'd still argue this test, guys. I just think the scores will be low, but it's still a test.
Starting point is 01:03:56 I'm not giving up, guys. No, not give up. Have faith. Which brings me to my next game, which I'd like to play. Can we go down to leaderboard first? Please. We went pretty far. How far you want to go? We're only at T7 guys. Like there's so many, all right. Like, you know, we got a guy. You can say, you can say 10 names.
Starting point is 01:04:15 You can say 10 names. You can say 10 names. All right, all right. Cody, you will mute him after 10 names. That is the duty. All right, so we're gonna skip past the other guys. I don't even say we're going to skip past the other guys. No, he was saying he was giving back. Sam Bennett, we got to give him props.
Starting point is 01:04:28 Unfortunately, of course, you're going to go and then it first T.C. is a classy guy. He's got it. He's got it. You know, even the guys, he's got some lots of keys. Thank you. He's going to he's going to give him props. So Sam Bennett, 67, even though I had to avert my eyes when he was teeing off on one today, which again,
Starting point is 01:04:46 lame, lame first he set up there on one, you know, they were in some names. Jacob Solomon, solid, solemn burger. I got a shot him out. 68. He was first off this week. And no, no, he wasn't first off. he there was another guy first off. Omar Rouse was the first off guy that was out there. Yeah. Um who else my models were picking up Ryan Fox a little bit. I didn't didn't have the heart or the number of plays to make a play on him, but he played well looking forward to seeing him. Good to see Joaquin Neiman. looking forward to seeing him. Good to see Joaquin Neiman, Waco played well, 68 today.
Starting point is 01:05:26 Keith Mitchell, I think Keith Mitchell will be a very apropos winner or contender in LA, bright lights and everything. Ranger Art, I think Ranger Art has played some of the best golf this year of anybody on the planet. And he's played his way into some big time spots from virtually no status whatsoever. So just wanted to shout that out. And Rio, he's got to be quick to challenge on. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:56 I'm going to throw a challenge. Only because you said, best golf on quote the planet. His last six results go cut. Some of the 33 cut, cut, cut T43. I said some of the best golf. Okay. That would be J Tour of it. He was in last year. Back half of last year when the Quebec open. That's that's how I'm giving you an open. Be the fuck out of that people of the Canadian tour last year. The fourth at the Honda Classic. All right. Come on. keep going.
Starting point is 01:06:26 Anyway, he has not played that well. Rio Ishikawa. 69. The return of, of, of, of, of, of, a man, him and Ricky. That's kind of a fun little echo. Yeah. The Sarge, Gordon Sargent, not our Sarge, Mr. McBride,
Starting point is 01:06:42 but, but Gordon Sargent played well today. I was, I was relatively impressed with his wedge game and some of his, some of his shorter stuff. He was, he was, uh, he gained strokes around the green, he gained strokes approach. He lost strokes off the tee. Mm-hmm. Very unsarge like, uh, recipe today. So, um, I think we've got to talk a little ROM as well. I think ROM potted quite well. Uh, rolled the rock like
Starting point is 01:07:06 it's really, really good puts that just didn't go in. And yeah, I'm weird inexplicable. He almost broke his club. So upset about that one in particular. Uh, I think he hit it too far down or like the play made the wrong play, you know, too close on six and he looked like it was about to break his club. Over his knee, but yeah, he struggled off the tee today. Had some curious, curious shots off the tee, but hit, I had really good approach playing, really good putting, but yeah, he, he, he cost himself off the tee for sure. On a course that a lot of guys were just threading, threading drives on the fairway. Yeah. I'm just gonna keep going for a little bit. Eric Cole played pretty well. That's number nine. You get one more. And you got Eric Cole. Eric Cole played pretty well. That's number nine
Starting point is 01:07:49 And you got Eric Cole Eric Cole has been playing some of the best golf of the planet. Yes Play great certified this time Cam Smith 69 there was a few Live guys Cam Smith 69 Sergio 70. That's 11 guys, but thank you Justin saws playing well Bermuda burn to where you have And we have one we have one request If you're gonna bring up or meet a burn you might as well talk about his hole in one because I was one of the the highlights of the day at least for me I see I did not I got nothing out of the hole in ones today Too funnily for you
Starting point is 01:08:20 Yeah, it's just it just didn't it didn't do it for me. It's kind of like one of the cradle Cody. That's true. Those don't count though. Obviously, sorry. Randy would have had a tough enough day, but a funnel pin, hole in a one and the guys celebrating all together would have been that have been a disaster for him. It's not the distance that gets me. It was more the whole location and just the softness of that green. Which, hey, if we don't get a better pen on 15 to,
Starting point is 01:08:50 like there's so many good pen options, you can do front left, back right, another saving front right for Saturday, but let's fire it up on 15 tomorrow. Let's go ahead. You guys got some permission to do some stuff tomorrow. Let's go ahead. Hey, man.
Starting point is 01:09:04 Although one more thing I wanna shout out I want to shout out the amateurs. The amateurs played pretty well on the whole. And I was kind of surprised. I got to put the leaderboard up. Yeah. We're going to play a quick game and then we're going to let do close it with some hamster, damn. I like this game and maybe we should wait till Sunday to play it.
Starting point is 01:09:19 But we do this a little bit internally. But for all the people that are shredding LACC, we're going to play LACC or, and we're going to go down a bunch of golf courses and you're going to pick which one you prefer to watch for major championship golf. That's the question that we're asking right now. Now, now based on today or based on what we think it will turn into this weekend. I would say based on the totality of what you're expecting and like what you enjoy watching I think is is is how it goes. So we'll start each of these we're going to go clockwise here. I'm going to start with DJ and then TC just say your answer and you guys we got to go quick. LACC or Brookline. God, I wish you would have done that one last.
Starting point is 01:10:00 I fucking loved Brookline. I'm going Brookline just because today was kind of a dud, but I think that there's a chance that we'll surpass it. TC. LACC. I am LACC. LACC are Tory Pines. LACC. LACC.
Starting point is 01:10:15 Wingedfoot. LACC. Anything. I might go Valhalla above Wingfoot at this point. Pebble. Mmm. I'm going to say Pebble this point. Pebble. Mm. I'm gonna say pebble just because it's fun to watch 678 910.
Starting point is 01:10:36 I have some PTSD from the last go around a pebble. I'm gonna say pebble if there's some condition. I guess there's conditions pebble is freaking sweet. Like it really would be sweet. Like the floor at pebble is pebble. there's some condition. I guess there's conditions pebble is freaking sweet. Like it really would be sweet. Like the floor at pebble is pebble. Yeah, you know what I mean? That it's, you know you're gonna get to watch and the floor is higher than what we saw today, I think, as much as I hear.
Starting point is 01:10:54 I did like today, but. Yeah. Shinnocon likes today. I liked watching it way more than I liked watching like Oak Hill. I did. I don't care how like that it wasn't hard. I like watching that style golf way more.
Starting point is 01:11:06 I really do. A lot more. I think that's fair. It can be a lot better too. I didn't even like scratch the surface on what it can be. I'm near you. I'm not quite there yet. I think if we get a little bit tougher day.
Starting point is 01:11:18 Stay with me. I think we can get there. I see more doubles. See more doubles. I'm with you. Shinnakok or LACC? I really like Shinnakok. It's a hard doubles. I'm with you, Shinacok or LACC. I really like Shinacok. It's a hard rock.
Starting point is 01:11:28 I think it's Shinny. Aaron Hills or LACC? I don't think we got a proper Aaron Hills experience. We didn't. I'll say LACC, but people need to come see what Aaron Hills is all about. You'll be blown away. Oak with the love of golf. Oakmont or LACC. I'm going to go.
Starting point is 01:11:46 Yeah, I'll probably go. I'm going to go faster. Yeah, I'll go. Chambers Bay or LACC. A lot of ways we can go with this. I'll go LACC because it's got the variety that I like with chambers. Yeah. But yeah, I mean,
Starting point is 01:12:05 both are pretty kind of not great crowd spots. Yeah, I think LACC like, I don't know, it's sweet. LACC or Pinehurst. Hmm. I thought LACC. I'll go Pinehurst until we see more from LACC. I'm with you, Dege. Marion or LACC? LACC. It's Marion. I'm LACC. Olympic.
Starting point is 01:12:33 That's LACC for me. LACC. Congressional, that's easy. Bet page, that's easy. Olympia Fields. I'm going LACC with all those. That BMW to Olympia Fields was sick. It was. That's totally major. I'm gonna do LACC with all those. That BMW would be filled with sick. It was.
Starting point is 01:12:45 That's totally a major. I'm going to do some PGA venues. I'm going to make you stop me when we get to one because the more you look back on it's kind of a struggle. But Kiowa, I'll start there. Kiowa. I'm still going to be LACC. I'm going to go quickly because I don't think we're going to get stopped here.
Starting point is 01:13:00 Harding Park. No. Southern Hills. Oh. Close but no. Oh, kill. Close but no. Harding Park, Southern Hills. Close but no. Oak Hill. Close but no, Bel Rief. Quail Hollow.
Starting point is 01:13:14 Baltic Raw. Although I haven't seen a new Baltic Raw. Whistling. No. Okay. Whistling, no, pains me to say. Valhalla, Atlantic. No, absolutely not. Oakland Hills. Haven't seen a new one, but he's a teen. Older one, no.
Starting point is 01:13:32 He's a teen, yes. All right, that's it. So I think you, when you go back through the, the rotating US major venues over the last several years, LECC is in the top 30th percentile. And we haven't even seen the best of it yet. For where we're sitting, a lot of people might not agree with that. But.
Starting point is 01:13:48 I was gonna say, we spent like, I spent 48 hours at this place. Yeah. One day in Tuesday and loved it and was walking around like a Google-ly eyed child, you know, and now it's like everybody's shitting all over it. I don't get it.
Starting point is 01:14:01 It's hard. It was firmer Tuesday when we left as the hard part. You know, like we were both walking together and we heard shots come into the eighth green on Tuesday afternoon, like, woof. Like that's just struggling, man. I'm struggling with like how it softens up that much just with moisture, you know,
Starting point is 01:14:19 a little bit of dew and humidity, right? If we get pins before we wrap Cody, I'd love to, uh, love to work that, but I don't know if those will be, I know it's West Coast time and they, they just finished and I don't know if we're going to get that. But, um, hamster damn T.C. I'll let you start. You seem the most fired up tonight. No, you were the, I'm fired up tonight because you were going absolutely ham today in our messages on our slack. What did I I I don't even remember what I said. I blacked out I think at one point
Starting point is 01:14:50 Yeah, it's just like all right. We'll start here the NBC Seems to Slurp themselves when they say you know, we like like they fly the banner early they say hey We're we're taking away commercial breaks, with all that. I've gotten word that that is weakened only, that there is a 30% less commercial time this weekend has been the word I've been told,
Starting point is 01:15:14 which was not told prior, but that is what I'm hearing. They added 30% today. That's what it felt like. This is the shitty thing about all run it down. I'll run it down from my perspective because you guys say this all the time and everybody's sick of hearing your guys' takes on it. Thank you. Number one, you got to pay for the cock. So I get it. That's a bore like a barrier of control. God, it took me so long to subscribe to P cock today. Right.
Starting point is 01:15:40 It wouldn't work. It kept freezing. And I will say too, like everything on Pacific time, it's fucked up. Like there's times in the, like late morning, I'm like, I should have been watching golf like three hours already now, and it's still not on anywhere. It sucked. When it finally moved over to the USA network, which I have, I have no issues.
Starting point is 01:15:59 I watch a ton of lawn order. I love it. It's a monk. Yeah, monk is awesome. All right. I get it. It's such a monk. Yeah, monk is awesome. All right. I get down with USA Network. The issue is that usually there's like four
Starting point is 01:16:11 really commercial breaks per hour. Somehow they went up to six and half of them. A gracious. Like it wasn't even like a normal combination of playing through a normal commercial breaks. It was just like, they took us to Pound Town, man. And it was not fun. And we were such a long chunk of the day.
Starting point is 01:16:29 Oh, it was fucking miserable. And it was so many NBC USA, like big 10 Saturday night football. The big D. I put a voice all sorts of like house bullshit. That it's like, you guys didn't sell these ads and you're running. Promos for your own shit. Like get out of here, man, it's disgusting. It also stinks like the little kid commercial that the USGA rolled out last show is like, oh my god, that's so cute. I love that. You know, we have the little boys and girls. It's the fucking same commercial. They didn't do another commercial. What are they doing? It's literally the same ad
Starting point is 01:17:01 load that they played last year. Yeah. See that run next to Well, one day, not raw. Well, one day, Robin temptation I loaded and the big D was It's fine. I'm good with that. It was just too much. And then by the time we finally like got over to network, it just is like, what are we doing?
Starting point is 01:17:20 Like you beat us over the head all day long with this ridiculous commercial load. I still feel like I only saw like 12 people playing golf, What are we doing? Like you beat us over the head all day long with this ridiculous commercial load. I still feel like I only saw like 12 people playing golf, which is a big fucking issue. And then like I think blocky should be on money and I raw. That'd be sick. So you gotta be.
Starting point is 01:17:36 I just wanna remind people as this is out there of like, oh, of course it's a corporate, you know, the corporate US open, they have to sell, they've paid a lot of money for it. They have to sell ads to get their money back. Again, like to remind people, they bought this for pennies on the dollar from Fox. Fox was slated to pay like reported liqueur into variety, like $93 million a year, an NBC bought it for somewhere between just barely over $37 million a year.
Starting point is 01:17:59 So it's pennies on the dollar. Fox ran less commercials than NBC is running at 3X, the cost of the production. Great, it was a huge loss later for them. They wanted to get out of the contract, but it sucks ass. Like, see, it reported out there that, oh, NBC paid $100 million for it, and they got to get their money back. Like, no, they didn't. Like, they didn't. They're going to squeeze it to death.
Starting point is 01:18:18 They're going to squeeze everything to death. I actually thought their online offerings were pretty good feature group wise, and like, the all-access show was like less commercials than if you just watch the broadcast and it was a good supplement to watch more golf if you're a true sicko but yeah the television was just right what where we thought it was I mean like Mike one you can't like go out and say like I'll look it to it and I know that they're again their pump of their chest of like we've done a lot of work on this we've changed a lot of stuff and all that that they're, again, they're pumping their chest of like we've done a lot of work on this, we've changed a lot of stuff and all that. I'm not counting the commercials, all right? We're not going to do that during the US Open. The whole thing is like, does it feel watchable? Does it feel like it flows? Does it feel like a good experience? What's the answer to that question today, guys? I'm a no. What are you guys? For sure. That's a hard track if you're following
Starting point is 01:19:01 too. If I'm wrong here, let me know. But like I want to like understand where people stand on this. Are we beating this up too bad? I literally was was thinking about today where I was like, man, I love, love, love this golf course. I've been thinking about it for five years. My favorite player is making a run at, you know, shooting 64, 63, something like that after like that front nine. And I'm like really struggling to keep my eyes open because it's just constantly, here's a couple shots, couple shots, couple shots, commercial.
Starting point is 01:19:29 And then of course, every time there's a commercial, I pull my phone out, I start looking at Twitter or whatever, and then the golf comes back on, and by the time I finally like snap back in, we're back in commercial. And it's just rinse and repeat, and it's just so hard to actually like sink into the golf. I mean, we were joking about it earlier, but it's like, you know, say what you want about like the Jason Bateman and Will Arnett package that was up front. I really like those guys,
Starting point is 01:19:53 and I was kind of like happy to see him, and they're talking about a lot of my favorite major tournaments in California and all these things. And I'm like, oh, you know what? Like, I'm kind of like, okay, there's maybe going to be a little juice, like I'm a little hyped. And then they went from like the promo into another fucking commercial, and it's just like, oh, you know what? I'm kind of like, okay, there's maybe gonna be a little juice, like I'm a little hyped. And then they went from like the promo
Starting point is 01:20:06 into another fucking commercial. And it's just like, all right guys, fuck this. Like, why am I, why do I feel like a jackass for watching this? Yeah, maybe that's what I thought. Maybe I thought it was gonna feel more like Hollywood. Everybody made this big thing about it being in LA and like the stars and ever,
Starting point is 01:20:22 the Hollywood Hills and all this crap. It doesn't, it doesn't feel and all this crap. It doesn't. It doesn't feel like that at all. And knowing that the flated as far that they made two and a half times as much as they normally do on the corporate boxes like man, they're making it on both ends too. And then you know, like normally I wish I had the international feed. I don't this week because I know Luke Elvy is doing the broadcast Which is tough which means that we love bacon and we would listen to bacon all day long
Starting point is 01:20:54 Just going through the comments and throwing some up here myself It we were not we're not missing the mark on this you're right these fucking Rory literally opened with a 30 was like, cooking man, and it should be like this groundswell of emotion and like everything and even like, and the broadcasters point of view, it just is just like a big level like wet sandwich man. Oh, like they took a wet fart in her face. Like, here, take it. This is what you guys get.
Starting point is 01:21:20 Well, just look around, right? I mean, like two guys shot 62, like two very popular guys. I mean, at least one very popular guy shot 62 and Roy's like going out in 30, like that should be golf twitters on fire. People are texting. I can't believe this. And like, did that happen for any of you today? Like, not at all. It felt like Bay Hill. It's it's Brian Roberts. It's Aunt Molly, the gang. They're doing their things. This is what they do. Well, let's see what happens on, it's gonna be the same thing tomorrow. Let's see what happens on Saturday.
Starting point is 01:21:51 And that's what we said on Saturday. It's gonna get to a point where like, I'm sure Sunday will be great. And it's gonna be a great leaderboard. And it's all gonna work out fine. It's just sucks for like a super hardcore fan that's like interested in watching this golf from mid-air. 16th week. No, even the super hardcore fan that's like interested in watching this golf tournament for 16 hours a week. No, even the super hardcore fan, like what about the people who were supposed to get excited and golf tells everybody that there's four tournaments a year that you're supposed to get
Starting point is 01:22:15 jacked up for. We paid so much fucking money and have a Netflix show about all this stuff. And they're going to tune in for this. Yeah. Really? Like, is are the best that you can come up with. To have a home to watch this on TV. We were at the tournament and we came home to watch it on TV
Starting point is 01:22:31 because we thought that'd be best for us to be able to cover it for our audience and like, man, it's just, just tough. Guys, yasser, my man, HG, if you're listening out there, HG, I think you should call her at Brian Roberts and Sally's guy, Pete Bavocqua. He's gone in for Notre Dame and Aunt Molly. Tell them that your boys at a Ramco will buy out, whatever ad blocks they have paid paid
Starting point is 01:23:10 This will be 100 cents on the dollar. This will be the biggest Alonza morning Jeff of all time. I've just like Prove it to us baby show us the model, you know lead us there honest question No, Sally with the amount of house ads that they showed for the usga exactly what what the fuck is the point That's where I was. At one point time they ran a US Open commercial above the US Open I was watching. Yeah, but exactly. Contracts, man. Read them.
Starting point is 01:23:33 No. Read the damn contracts. It's like the fluff pieces and all that stuff can work if you're showing a lot of golf, but when you have this much of a load and then you go into the Bateman thing and then you go into the Walk of Fame and then you go into the Bateman thing and then you go into the walk of fame and then you go into
Starting point is 01:23:52 the railcam presented by MX and the blah blah blah like it just, it just nothing ever feels like they're taking anything off the table. There's always adding sponsored stuff and it's yeah whatever we've had this same conversation for 25 years now and it's not going to change. So high point I listened to a lot of Graham Delette on the call on feature groups, and he was fucking awesome. I don't know if the guys have caught like a ton of his stuff this year. But it's been really, really good.
Starting point is 01:24:14 He's a good fit for that. Young enough that knows a lot of the guys, played a ton of golf, played a ton of tournaments, good personality, that's a good, good hire. I still have a grudge against Graham Del like, because he called me a nerd for riding for Kepka for to be on the president's cup back in like 20, like 15. And how that one will work out, Graham to let, huh? Sure, but yeah, you should, you should bring that up to a
Starting point is 01:24:35 nerd. He was so wrong about calling me a nerd. Tasting Graham to let. Here's 45. I got to it for eight years. Eight years. I hear. God, there's this picture up on the USJ Twitter. It says a data remember 100 emoji.
Starting point is 01:24:52 And it's Ricky and Zander, like high five, Michigan hands and Zander's dad's just in the background, like presiding over it. I have a tangible fit. Yeah, it's five different shades of tan and brown on today. Coach, man, anything we missed, I kind of got deflated after the hamstring. I'm talking. We got late shows this week.
Starting point is 01:25:13 Uh, do you have a report from the artist formerly known as, as the kid that he fired up the grill? I think he's preparing himself for maybe a big weekend. Can I, can I bring something to your guys attention? I know you can't see this on the podcast. Is Neil wearing golf shoes? He is. He is.
Starting point is 01:25:31 Right? Is he wearing those foot joy flex golf shoes? Like the kind of spikeless golf shoes? Oh, yeah. Oh, we were in Austin this year for a match play. And there was like a little bit of dew on the ground. And you know, like the biggest thing if you're going to watch a tournament, in this year for a match play. And there was like a little bit of dew on the ground. And you know, like the biggest thing if you're going to watch a tournament,
Starting point is 01:25:49 like you make fun of the people that you see wearing golf shoes all the time. And Neil shows up down in the lobby where I think pretty sure those same exact shoes. I'm like, you have dog, what are you doing? He's like, man, the grass is gonna be slippery out there. Gotta be prepared, well, actually. I can get down with that when it's slippery.
Starting point is 01:26:04 I can, that's a different conversation for a different day. But it's all you bring a rangefinder there too, right? I would, I would, I haven't, but I don't see why not. The ball goes so far these days, you kind of need a rangefinder to see where it ends up anyways. What do you think of Neil's grill setup? Do what? I think that's a communal grill. I don't know, I know, but just his cababs and sausages and all that stuff. It looks like a big spread for two mouths that he has to feed.
Starting point is 01:26:32 I bet they had some friends over. It looks like a nice night in the big city. Is he doing the ice this week with the Rory and the mix? I don't know, that's a good question. I also like to see. The smog must have moved out. I know he was dealing with a littleory and the mix. I don't know, that's a good question. I also like to see the smog must have moved out. I know he was dealing with a little smoke issue last week. So I'm happy to see the lot of smoke is going.
Starting point is 01:26:51 Yeah, crazy. Oh, guys, we missed the hat and shirt. Had a shirt got a lot of run this morning. It was really, really bad. Yeah, it was not good. I believe poor ass said he had some of the, he has a propensity for some of the most lurid items. And that's a great.
Starting point is 01:27:10 And the deed is this portfolio. Hopl and shirt was not good either. He started the day. Nice solid hoodie, blue on blue. And then his shirt looked like zebra slash amaze slash. Jaylen Bird needs to be stopped. That's that's just bottom line point blank. I saw some people shitting on Max's look today too, but I thought he looked great.
Starting point is 01:27:32 He looked like a patriot for a good kind. Thank you. Thank you for clarifying. He was not out there to pull up, profess people. He was wearing red, white and blue and some white pants. a pro vass people. He was wearing red, white and blue and some white pants. I, you know, I thought, I thought JT's outfit was loud, but it didn't have a problem with it. I thought Keith Mitchell looked great per usual. I'll say this about JT's. He said this at Aaron Hills in 2017. You're going to wear pink pants. You got to go low. He shot a 63 that day. That he wore pink pants and he wore pink pants today and did not go low. So I was, I was saying he did not pull it off today.
Starting point is 01:28:05 So that's by his own rules. And DJ continues to look awesome wearing, of course, you know, wearing wearing the ace's stuff, you know, every but you know, is all that stuff. Guys, I would be remiss if I didn't mention Spencer Levine is T2 on the corn fairy tour right now. And my guy Adrian Dumont did Chassart, making a run for the 2023 European Ryder Cup team. Wow. He might, he might play a play as well. Take a food out of Ludwig's mouth. No, Ludwig and him. We're param together.
Starting point is 01:28:39 All right. That's the end of the show. As always, when TC fills out the 45th spot on the European Ryder Cup team, we will be back here. How deep we are, Sally. This was how I felt after my fourth nap today during the coverage and how I basically felt during hamster damn tonight. So thank you, everyone, for tuning in. We'll be back tomorrow night Saturday night and Sunday night. Of course. I hope tomorrow gets a little spicier. I'm expecting that it will. I give everyone permission to be upset if it does not play a little more difficult tomorrow. I was like, will you apologize? I don't know what I would apologize for. Yeah, I'm with you. Plus two plus two is too far back at this point. So I'm hearing that it's going to be back cheese on seven and 11 Tomorrow you are hearing that place source. Yeah, chatter chatter amongst my my people
Starting point is 01:29:37 L.A. the LACC members Unnamed a named sources Cody, thank you for a wonderful evening. Thank you for everyone tuning in live. A lot of people in here for a late night. We greatly appreciate that. Thank you, Evan, for listening to the podcast. Pyman, thank you.
Starting point is 01:29:54 DC, thank you. KVV, thank you as well. Hey, you're welcome. Thank you for everything you do for the game. You are welcome. You guys are all welcome. And we'll see you back here tomorrow. I'm gonna get some range balls again tomorrow. I'm committed to it to the workouts and range
Starting point is 01:30:07 balls that morning. So all right, we'll see you guys tomorrow. Cheers. Cheers. Get a right club. Feed a right club today. That's better than most. How about it? That is better than most. How about in? That is better than most. Better than most.

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