No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 699: Sunday US Open Recap

Episode Date: June 19, 2023

Wyndham Clark wins the 2023 US Open, and we recap the week that was, Rory's close call, Scottie, LACC as a venue overall, the fan dilemma, thoughts from on site, Tommy's run, some bets paid off, and a lot more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah! That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up live show presented as always by our friends at high noon. Sully here. The pie man is here to put the 2023 US Open in the books.

Hello, pie man. Hello, guys. I think half of us are going to sound like our dog died tonight, but let me just say up front. Hell of a win by Windom Clark. Unbelievable week. Oh, classiest, the classiest one. First one. Let me be the first to congratulate Windom Clark on winning the US Open TC is here. A big Windom Clark stand. Big pick of his coming in the week. He invented Windom Clark. Guys, I don't, I don't need any congratulations from you guys. Uh, I just need some apologies after Tommy went out and shot 63. Did he? I missed that.

I didn't tune in until the leaders were going off. I was going to miss that one. Thank you for that. Neil is here to help reconcile the week. He has not been on the shows this week, but he's been chirping in a lively way in the chat. And we, I look forward to addressing a lot of questions and a lot of the statements Neil has made privately this week. but he's been chirping in a lively way in the chat. And we, I look forward to addressing a lot of questions. And a lot of the statements Neil has made privately this week. Hello, Neil. Good being with you. Um, here's so I don't get fined. Uh, please carry on.

We didn't ask you to be here, Neil. You demand that you come in here and address all this when it was looking, when it was looking better for Rory, you, you were really excited to get in here. But, you guys had no, the receipts will show that I was asked to come on where to lose and I'm like, please, sorry, please, we need you, Neil. No, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. Please, solid before we get to any of the pre-show stuff,

at what point will you be running to my house? There is a bet that was made last night, TC very scuzzily bet a Tommy Fleet, when it was out early on the soft golf course against Scotty Sheffler and contention the tournament. Hand up on me, I was foolish enough to take that bet. DC very scuzzily bet a Tommy Fleetwood that was out early on the soft golf course against Scottie Sheffler and contention the tournament. Hand up on me, I was foolish enough to take that bet. I should have known when Tommy was out of the tournament that he would then turn on the

gas and then run through the finish line. He could be scottied by seven. And you know, put up a Wikipedia top 10. That's on me. I should have known that so to close out tonight's. All he does is top five. Tommy Blumenthal. I love solid. Tonight's top five. All he does is top five. Hommie Bloomingthall.

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Do you haven't you haven't wished me a happy father's day yet. Happy father's day, T.C. You are my daddy, you win the bet. All right. I thank you, dad, for everything you've done for me. Happy father's. I did wish them all of you guys that last night. So thank you very much for that as well.

DJ, give me your takeaway from when you're the best at setting the stage for what we just witnessed. Winham Clark wins the US open. Where how you feeling right now? I feel devastated. I thought Roy played exceptional golf despite what you might hear over the next two and a half hours on this podcast. I thought he played great. I thought he missed a lot of puts that are kind of, you know, statistically unlikely to go in. And, you know, we would have wished they went in, but they didn't. I thought Wyndham Clark absolutely balled out today.

TC, I don't know if he is a certified BDP in your eyes, but I thought he was so impressive yesterday. It was very worried that we might see exactly what we saw today. And that's why you build a three shot lead, man. You know, a little wobble coming in but it didn't matter. Absolutely stoned it on that long leg putt on 18. It kind of had to be like the most nervous putt of his life.

Shout out to Zinger. And I was just, I was very, very impressed with Windom Clark. I liked LACC a lot more than everybody else. We can get into that. Just a full, kind of a sensory blitzkrieg for me today I was just I was overwhelmed man. It was a lot to take in and I had a fucking blast watching it DC what's your reaction? Gosh I'll push back a little bit on Rory playing great golf when he putted like absolute ass

I mean he was sitting he was sitting all sorts of greens. I'll give him that. Like, he was hitting all the greens. So, like, it's over the one that he missed on 14. And that's, and that's tough. So you're not going to hear. Thanks for me there. Uh, Wyndham Clark shipped it extraordinarily well. I was blown away by that. I thought his lag putting, like the lag put on 13 was, yeah, I thought he had a couple clunkers down the stretch that should have been penalized more than they were. We can get to that. And then I thought Rick, I'd like to apologize to everybody for upgrading him to back to BDR last night. He's now back to big. That's really big. I was cool. You're going to ask for that. So thank you.

That's that's very cool Thank you. And then yeah, I think you know overall LACC I like I love the golf course. I think it's a great golf course. I've got some qualms with 18 that hasn't changed but I think the fans and the broadcast there was so much wrong with this event in general, but I don't think the golf course was one of those things. I'll join you on that TC and we can expound on that a little bit. But Neil, listen, we've got the reaction to win and winning. You are the host, of course, of the perennial. Four, I don't know what you call it, the quarterly almost block party that we have for Rory and hopes and anticipation of him winning a major championship. Where are your emotions at right now?

Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's a get together that kind of comes about organically. Everybody's welcome, including you, chuckleheads. We're not oppressed. We're not feeling good about it. I would say this though, I do want to give Winham Clark a shout out. I think you said it last night.

If, you know, I was kind of hoping, I think maybe all of us were hoping he's faking it. He's faking the confidence. He's trying to, you know, like, will it to happen? And it's not fake. And I, I think he deserves a ton of credit because he probably has to feel everybody, you know, being like, oh, this guy's not for real. And he just doesn't care. And he and his cat, he seemed like a really strong team. And that it was really impressive the way they held it together through the back nine. So you know I'm not a very good sports fan. I don't have like a lot of teams that I'm I ride for you know when you see people getting in like all out brawl's it NFL games like

don't care wouldn't do it but I find myself rooting very hard for Rory like I'm you know I'm probably still sweating from how hard I was rooting. And that feels good to actually give a shit about something. And so I'm bummed out because I feel like I kind of have, I really wanted him to win. None of us expected him to win. I didn't pick him to win this week. Didn't think it was a good course fit

and it would just would have been awesome. It would have made me feel some things. So I'm very disappointed. I feel like he did play really well. He was number one in you know, greens and regulation. I think proximity to the whole could be better, but I thought he played a really good US open game plan. I thought he was very conservative. Other than 14, he pretty much missed in the right spot all day. But there's just like that little extra one percent, which is dumping that wedge on 14 TC, you're absolutely right. That that was devastating. And then 18, it's like, man, I gotta have something. The three put on eight was like one of the more

egregious things. I know that one didn't bother me as much. Early in the round, I felt like it's really. It's a hard hand up there. Yeah, but you you know, sure, that's a Rory, like, you know, brain fart that I would love to, that was in the model C. But it kind of is in the models. And I was like, you know what, there's a lot of golf left here. I was like, you got a guy that's not used to being in this position who proved me wrong because he got the job done. But I'm like, God, if Rory can just keep making pars, this guy's going to come back to him.

And if he gets him in a playoff, I feel like Rory wins that. So I felt pretty good until, you know, we just didn't stuff it on 18. And that was like, where's like, oh my god, man, we gotta have it. And from a putting standpoint, other than the short miss, I don't think he missed any puts he was supposed to make. Like maybe the par putt on 14, but like those long putst, he just, I thought one of them would drop form.

I really did. It felt like Saturday and Sunday, he couldn't buy a bomb and Ricky was making all of those on Saturday. His luck kind of ran up. He kind of came back to the field a little bit with his putting. I thought Rory might find that a little bit and he didn't.

So, hey, hand up, I'm sorry, I was rooting for him. You know what? Shamelessly rooting for Rory, and that's tough. I'm gonna put this on, I think you have for your own game, have too low of expectations for putting. Like, you have a goal of like, let's just not miss any puts that we should make. And you have to have higher expectations for your personal putting.

And I'm gonna ask you have a little higher expectations from Rory than just, oh, he only missed one, like four footer today, which is just, he missed the putt, the par opportunity on 14, even after getting the enormous break, a bad chip and missing that putt, was almost worse than the bunker shot, which just, like, you got a kind of a bad break

and a good break on the bunker shot. I mean, it probably shouldn't plug in the lip of that thing and it probably either would have come back in the bunker or wrestled where it ended up being. I know everyone was freaking out about the break but it wasn't that great of a break. It kind of just ended up where it probably should have anyways. And to not get that up and down,

even after feeling like you had something go your way was really tough to stuff it in there on nine and not really give that a great run, it just felt like he had a bunch of those like Rory puts that are slightly like on the wrong side of 50% of you making them and they just didn't, they just didn't go in. He had a hard lip out on five from way, way, way downtown

when he looked like he was pretty doubted in and then it just didn't seem right the whole rest of the day. But didn't really seem right for anyone. I mean, nobody really putted well this afternoon aside from Cam. Can you let me finish the damn sentence T.C. But then you really see him right for anyone. I mean, nobody really putted well this afternoon aside from Cam. Can you let me finish the damn sentence T.C.? I was gonna get there, okay? Relax.

And the greens did get that U.S. open, like dried out, like putting on a pool table kind of thing that just made it really, really hard to steer home. Which makes what Windom did that much more impressive. Because it's easy to forget. He whipped a ball on eight basically after barely missing his approach shot in from the fairway.

Whiffed it then goes way long with the chip. Now he's chipping from off the green on the easiest hole in the golf course and having to get up and down for bogey. Did that. Mrs. nine green gets up and down and then Mrs. long left on 11 and hits a sick nippy pitch off from below the green

off out of Bermuda rough. It's kind of bare down, but up there and got that up and down on 11. And that was when it was like, dude, those are the moments where the, the, the, we have the story. It comes around a lot. We're like, oh, it's Corey Conner's going to win the PGA. And they all, they just never do. Like they have those moments where they go backwards for three whole stretch.

And when him had his chance to do it and didn't do it until very, very late, when he had the cushion to do it. And I'm stunned. I'm left stunned by this result. I mean, we explored the possibility last night, but again, there's a lot of dudes like Wyndham Clark that get there after 54 holes and almost none of them win after 72 holes. And it's been a while since we've had a major like this. I know he's 30 second ranked player in the world.

He's not a dud, but it feels a little bit like a dud winner right now, which I hate to say. It feels I said it on the pod last night that like this feels like it could be a Gary Woodland, right, which it feels super comparable. It's close to me where it's just like man, it's really, really, really good player. A guy who has one golf tournament or I guess, you know, one PJ tour event now, but has, you know, decorated amateur career and it's not certainly not like a phony out of nowhere. And he just kind of, yeah, so you expect him to not get those balls up and down. You expect there to be a three put in there somewhere and it just wasn't. He just was rock solid until at least he had a three shot lead and hit some clunkers on kind of a one-hander on 17. And then the the Mando Poof as you called it on 18 TC.

I, you know, I don't wanna get you riled up. I know you were upset by that, by that people. Yeah, I mean, listen, all credit to Wyndham as far as like, the second shot in the 14 was unbelievable. Oh, so good. You were marveling at it on Twitter. It was fantastic. Like that was one of the shots of the week.

He had so many fairways to with that length. He was kind of like maybe not going step for step with Rory, but pretty damn close for at least the first half. I still don't know how he creates the ball speed. He doesn't look like he's swinging that hard. It's like 188. It's like geez man. It's a high fade. I just, I don't know. I'm left a little bit disappointed where he bogie's 15. He bogie's 16 after a really good, you know, recovery wedge in there. Mrs. What was a tough putt? I don't I don't begrudge him for that. Polls went on 17 that was a worse shot than where it ended up. Yeah, it's a great chip, you know, but, but like wasn't really penalized for that. And then should have been off the fucking plan on 18. Before we get to 18, I'll just point

out like there's a reason dudes mess around so much in, in practice rounds, chipping and putting to the different whole locations. Like there was a bad swing zero percent chance he thought he knew that was a good place to play from though. Right. I mean, you don't miss there. If it's totally dead. If there totally dead. If that's below the green or an awful chip, you don't miss there. I'm not saying he was trying to hit it there, but that's marked in your book that you know that's an easy up and down from over there.

And then there's just, I don't know, I guess with Rory, like it's like every little opportunity to place some pressure on him. It just doesn't happen, right? And it's not so much those bombs that he's not making you. It's like those 15 to 20 footers. The one on 15, the one on 15s got to go and send a message back to 14 with wind him coming up to play that whole. That was the one that was just kind of like, ah, long ones, the long

ones. He putted well. I felt like other than eight. Like he, he had good weight on him and all that. It's, it's the ones that he just, they're not, they're not even really sniffing the whole man. It sucks. I thought he burned the whole lot, but like early on, they didn't go in. You could put on the team. I thought that was good five feet out. I was like, oh my god, he made that. But that was a long one. I'm feeling like the 15 and 20 footers, he didn't really give a chance. Yeah, I had the one on was at 12. I could have gone, the one at 15, I could have gone.

I think he didn't make it on six, is that right? Or no, he did. Yeah, Mr. Unsafe. I mean, it's a fail. Like listen, I'm not gonna apologize for worries. It's a failure you didn't win, right? But I do think coming out of what we saw at Memorial, he's building something, I feel like he's been fighting his swing

until Memorial. I felt like there was a bit of a founded moment off the tee and his swing off the tee looks so good. It drove him to watch him hit it. He drove it a man. And this week. Yeah, like wedges are, you know, it's still some boneheaded shit that still happens

and that's frustrating. But I thought he's put himself in a position to where if you run it in the you know, the data boys run it in the models like when them comes back to to you know, like drops another stroke there. If you run it 10 times, right? Like you're like, oh guys, an unproven player. Like I was kind of happy with how he battled on 16, 17 and you know, 18 was a little disappointing, but I mean to, you know, I got a little disappointing, but I mean, you know, I got kind of got crowned on 17 the other day away. But that he in excellent approach.

Also, that was so good. I had to bring this up, Neil, all right, because I woke up this morning, had a nice father's day lunch, you know, with my father-in-law and the family and got a message on my phone from Slack. You miss quoting some quotes from last night on the show where we, I said something along the lines of if you're going from Slack, you misquoting some quotes from last night on the show where we, I said something along the lines of, if you're going to put that much pressure on four tournaments a year, I said, there's no chance you're going to sleep great. You tried to quote me and saying, no way you go play well tomorrow. No, no, no, you said, no way you sleep great and no way you go out and play free.

Played fearless golf. And played fearless golf. And I thought that you guys spent way too much time last night talking about all the reasons where he wasn't going to win. And he didn't break down that he played good golf yesterday and I'm tired of you two You two you two specifically sitting on the fence. You're either rooting for him or you're not hundred percent rooting for him So you want to be there you want to be at the block party, but then you want to talk shit while you're there and it's like I don't know where we're at block party. You know that's it. That's all I'm saying. It's a little bit like hey Why don't you know, we're not going to slurp the guy with a band. I guess what? Yeah. No, I'm not asking

you to slurp him with a band. I'm saying, it knowledge that he's playing good golf. It felt like a funeral last night. We know that. Here's what's funny to me. TC looking at you specifically is when we push back on the Fleetwood stuff. It's just what do you want me to do? Well, you know, not ride for my guy just cuz he Excelliously excelliously makes mistakes every fucking time in the same way Wait, I'm not all that out. I'm not gonna do that. You're my fucking guy No, I mean, yeah, but I'm not coming at you for for did I come in a little hot? Yeah, but I'm listening I'm watching the live show this morning I caught my leg and I'm like wait a minute

This is like you guys had already like you know, I'm sorry, I still have some hope, you know, I was like, I think he's gonna get it done. I'm gonna be there next major. And it's like, it's just a little bit like, oh yeah, I mean, Roy's not gonna do it. It's like, well, you know, then just move on. Just, just move on to the next topic. I think after nine years, it's fair to put the onus on,

like we've seen this movie, that's the point I was trying to make last night was like, man, he wants this really freaking badly he talks about how much you freaking he wants it every year a year goes by where he doesn't win one of these it adds another layer of pressure that he's feeling in these moments there's so much anticipation all the things he said and done over the last several years have led to like these are the only things that matter which is just put himself into a corner like dude I pretty much was feeling last night that we were going gonna get another old course Sunday.

And I have to exactly what today felt like. You birdie the first hole, did not make another birdie after that, and it just felt like the rory that we've seen in those final rounds for so long. It's very obvious he's playing well. It's very obvious he's competitive and hitting it well, but it felt like it didn't feel like last night that he was gonna get it done.

It did not feel that way, and I hate to say that feels validated today, but I'm emotionally rooting for it, and I just don't feel like last night I was gonna get it done. It did not feel that way and it feels, I hate to say that feels validated today, but I just, I'm emotionally rooting for it and I just don't feel like it's on the verge of happening. It felt like he lost by four today and not one. Neil, he didn't make my guess that's why. My argument would be like, he'd be like,

Charlie, congratulations, you both are right. And I hand up, you know what, you were 1,000% right, didn't get it done, looked like the old course. All that's right. But just don't say you're rooting for him emotionally because you're not. That's what I'm getting at.

It's like I'm sick. He's like my favorite player. How could I? It's like, I mean, it's like, it's like when I expect the red to lose. They're my favorite team. It's just fence sitting. That's all that's not fence sitting.

It's fence sitting. You know, he made one birdie today. He birdied the first hole and he made 16 pars and a bogey. And T.C. it's a U. Yeah, he made one birdie today. He be birdied the first hole and he made 16 pars and a bogey and T.C. It's a US open. Yeah, I think that like that's kind of the fucking point right guys We had a we had a long afternoon the grill got hot We we cooked up way too much food and nobody really came through. You know, I'd be fucking right I'm still wearing my apron You know, I just kept holding on hope, guys.

It's just, it was the same. It's just, it's all the same. It's the same. And that's fine. You know what, you guys are right. I'll eat it. You guys can dance on my grave, but I just, we're not dancing on your name.

That's totally fine. I'm dancing. Here's what I want to correct the record on the San Andrew stuff. This was very different to me, at least. I feel similarly, but in that San Andrews was there for the taking, Cam absolutely took it, stepped on Rory's face, Rory needed to bring a flame

through that day and just was playing US Open Golf. This was a very different setup. And I think he was trying to hang around, trying to hang around, trying to see what happened and like, Wyndham Clark didn't, didn't come back. So I guess like, you could say you should have pressed it and you should have pushed it and whatever, but like you saw Ricky pressing it down the stretch and like it just doesn't you miss in horrible spots and you're not even close. Like he came up, he lost by one. I didn't think it felt like he lost by four. That's, that's a personal opinion. But then did come back though. You bogieed 15 and 16 like right on command and

Roy just couldn't make a, he didn't make a birdie for the last 17 holes. Yeah, no, I'm aware of that. I know, but he also didn't make, he made one bogey in the last 17 holes as well. I think most, a lot of US opens that, that gets it done. Listen, we got a lot of, I just don't think if this was that US open though, either. Sure. We have a lot of stuff to discuss. This episode is of course brought to you by our friends at Titleist and number one ball and golf And it's confirmed. TC, I know you had questions going in about whether or not they would be the number one ball, the US open for 75 years. They called it before the ball, before the week started, before that they were going to win the ball count. It

turns out they did win the ball count. This week at LACC, a total of 106 players, only 106 out of 156 played the Prove one or the Pro V1 X more than five times its nearest competitor that includes of course the 123rd US Open Champion and Pro V1 X player Windom Clark you can't compete at a US Open unless you're in complete control of your golf ball From those high fades with his title is TSI 3 driver and T203 iron to those low spinners with the Voki SM9 wedges Windom has Pro V1X dialed from T to green. Again, we referenced this in the US Open preview pod, but it's mind blowing to see like what Titles does to ensure that the ProV1 and the ProV1X flies consistently.

I did not understand. You see that word consistency a lot and a lot of commercials and it took seeing it up close and personal to understand exactly what that means to spin consistently and perform the way you expect it to when you execute a shot. I know your T.C. your brain was working in overdrive when we were out there. Any takeaways specifically that you had on that front? It's not just the ball.

It's everything that they produce around the ball that plays into the ball, like the molds and the stuff that they do for quality assurance and the X-ray machines and all that stuff. It's nuts. It's a number It's nuts. Number one bug off for a great reason. We appreciate Tyleist. What are your, you haven't been on the show. We've talked a lot of LACC this week.

What are your takeaways as a viewer and not a hardcore podcaster this week on your experience watching LACC? Never seen the course up close. Never been there. So everything was kind of my opinion of it is through You know the TV slash the YouTube video that you guys put together. I like the look. I'll start with the good I like the look of the course. I think like number 11 was very striking hole I thought NBC took to their credit did a good job of covering number six number eight and number 11

Where the three holes that really stuck out to me and I thought they did a good job of covering number six, number eight, and number 11, where the three holes that really stuck out to me. And I thought they did a good job of showing why those holes were unique. I thought the vibe was atrocious for, you know, the first three days. I, you know, I, I, I'm cool with the sunset, Wilshire stuff. I'm not a huge LA guy. So it's like, oh, well, everything glitters his gold. Oh, my, you know, fucking, you can miss me with all that bullshit. That's a true dude for me. So it's like, I'll write in the middle of Hollywood. It's kind of like, yeah, cool, man, like, but nobody can play it. And it sounds like it's really stuffy. And they turned it into like probably the stuffiest US open we've ever seen. And then I thought the, there was like the wide fairways,

like I get angles, everything, but I would like to see a little more pressure on the guys specifically on 18. I mean, I think that like, you don't have to step up and hit the fairway on 18 is, you know, I don't know. They had a bunch of rough and they cut it out. The USGA made them chop it,

chop it all down, left of 18. Some players came rough and they cut it down. The USGA made them chop it, chop it all down left of 18. Some players came out and complained about it. So regardless, I just, I think the, the complaints watching this show and others of the scoring, you know, I thought it played a little easy and relying on weather is tough. And I would like, you know, the scoring to be a little worse or a little harder, I guess I should say. I thought the course, if you take all over the four days, you know, Saturday, Sunday, played a lot more like I'd like

to see and I thought it was very interesting golf. So overall, I thought it was an exciting tournament and I thought the venue was, you know, good, not great. Let me put it that way. So all you had a question here of like, Riv versus LACC. I'm kind of RIV all the way as far as a viewer goes. I think it has more striking holes. I think it asks like kind of better questions like you have to hit some good drives. It's not everything's wide

open. There's a few spots where there are and I think I would you know prefer RIV over LACC. But I haven't played either, so that's just truly as a viewer. It's an interesting question. The RIV versus LACC thing. I think like when it comes to televised TORPRO TV golf, I think it's RIV, 100%. But I also like, I think I just liked it.

I liked it more than maybe the general sentiment just for its uniqueness, I think it's RIV, 100%, but I also like, I think I just liked it, I liked it more than maybe the general sentiment just for its uniqueness, I think. And watching some of those shots down this stretch were like, it was a do-or-die in a little bit different way, right? I mean, I think like, again, you saw Ricky hitting it in bad spots on some of these areas, and I think it's easy to lose sight of the fact, too, too that the guys that were watching separate are playing the best golf and making the golf course look extremely easy. There was a lot of guys that didn't make it look extremely easy.

But it's hard to argue with. I just saw a text from a friend that said, like if Mito was playing LACC, he would have won the PGH Championship, which kind of puts it in into pretty tough perspective. Right? Well, that's a pretty good point. And I would say, DJ to that point, earlier in the week, I didn't really see even the

guys that weren't playing that well. And maybe this is a broadcast commentary. I really didn't see the ejections from them. Yeah. You know, like, yeah, people got in bad spots. You had to lay up. And, but, and maybe this is like on TV, the Greens didn't really pop to me. You know, you guys are talking in our slack about like, oh, people got in bad spots. You had to lay up and but and maybe this is like on TV, the greens didn't really pop to me. You know, you guys talking in our slack about like,

oh, this is such a cool green. And I'm like, I'm just not really seeing that. Because everything's from a tower. Yeah. So I'm not really getting a sense of like, oh, he's really boned over there on this side. I can't really see the slope there. And there's some other courses where they've taken,

you know, majors where you're like, man, that looks like that's tough. Like, you know, like you can find hers too. You, like the roll, you know, the turtle backs and stuff is a lot easier as a viewer to understand when somebody is, you know, in the bone zone. If they showed like one windum shot yesterday, I think, like one putt at ground level,

and it was just like, holy shit, is that the same golf course? Like he's playing that thing like 15 feet out to the left. And I've struggled with this all week of like, dude, I was just like holy shit, is that the same golf course? Like he's playing that thing like 15 feet out to the left. And I've struggled with this all week of like, dude, I was just fucking there. I just, I just saw this man, and it is awesome. It is sweet, it makes me uncomfortable, it is hard, it is like everything you'd want in a US Open test. And I watch on TV and I'm just kind of,

yeah, kind of see where people are coming from on this. Like if you only experienced it through watching it, like 99.9% people only experienced, unless you're a member. Like if you only experienced it through watching it, like 99.9% people only experienced, unless you're a member of the club, only experienced it through watching it on television and like everything gets flattened from the views they use. They're commercial so much. You don't even understand the flow of it all working

and like it's a bunch of things that probably, like I think the golf course is great. I think it's a golf course worthy of hosting the US Open Championship. A golf course that is worthy of it. Yeah, when you add in the vibe atmosphere, some of the stuff that's gone on with tickets, some of the stuff that's gone on with the club in general, like, do I think that this is like a home run winner, US Open host? I'd probably say no at the end of it all. I mean,

if we're talking about like wanting this, wanting the golf courses of the US Open to be somewhat representative, what golf is like in the United States or aspires to be, it's pretty hard to say like the club that's, you know, in the middle of LA getting the enormous tax break and like hogging up and hoarding all the tickets and profiting from this thing in a big way. And also like not showing up vibe wise for the national championship, probably like not the right messaging overall. So again, like I think the golf course totally worthy. I think the criticism of it being too easy, probably not the right messaging overall. So again, I think the golf course totally worthy,

I think the criticism of it being too easy, probably unfair, there's some elements of it that 15 didn't really come alive. 18 just didn't come alive. Like I thought that fairway being wide would have played really well with the proper amount of firmness and like it actually, the paths to the whole location is actually being driven

by where you drove it. And it just didn't end up playing at that level. And maybe LACC doesn't have enough wind and enough conditions to justify this, but it was just like, through those flags, just did not fucking blow for like four days. And five more mile an hour of constant wind

would have made an enormous difference in how it all played, and I don't know. I'm kind of, it kind of ended on a sour note overall of a week that I still was really excited for. Also, sorry, last thing, I'm kind of, it kind of ended on a sour note overall, of a week that I still was really excited for. Also, sorry, last thing, just like kind of sour about like the modern state of the game, and like watching and seeing that in person, and watching pros make it look kind of silly at times,

is just like a bummer, like it really was jarring. Yeah, it can kind of go both ways, because it's crazy that they're able to pull off, it's crazy that they have to stretch it to the lengths that they have to stretch it to. But also if you're paying attention to the numbers on the screen as they're hitting the shots, like the shot that Rory hit into 11 today, which is like, dude, that's like 300 yards. And he's just making it look like child's play. Like this is fucking insane. Seven was the same way.

I mean, a lot of those, like, even like the really long irons into 16, 17, 18 are like, man, these are really freaking hard shots. And it's hard to make them look hard on TV when you don't have what I would assume will have it pine herds, what we've had at Shinacok in the past, which is like the hit the green ball looks like it's done rolling. And then it just keeps rolling and keeps rolling

and keeps rolling and keeps rolling. And that's what changes everybody's mind. And we had two of those this week. Yeah, right. I did not see that DJ. Where it was like, you know, the, like there was a couple of spots, like you brought up,

I think it was eight where Windom missed, barely missed left. And yeah, he was boned. But like there weren't a lot of times when he hit the green and barely missed, and he was boned. But like there weren't a lot of times when he hit the green and barely missed and he was boned. Like you didn't get rejected from these greens and that was I felt like that was that was missing if you're going to give people a break off the tee. He also was boned in a few spots and just hit like ridiculous shots. Yeah, his wedge

worked one in this tournament. Off of like, what was that 11? Like that was insane. I mean, there was some that was like, yeah, man, like you won that tournament there. I think over all the the From an L.A. CC perspective. Yeah, I'm trying to separate out the golf course and all the extraneous shit around it like the You know NBC was god awful. They they're incapable of doing anything. It's not from a tower the audio was fucking terrible all week The plane buzzing they're incapable of doing anything that's not from a tower. The audio was fucking terrible all week. The plane buzzing, they made no adjustments to that. It was their plane, I guess, which is even more incredible to me.

The commentary was just absolutely brutal from Zinger. I mean, like, like, line blowing. That's all right. I cut, it's it. I'm normally fine with Zinger. Obviously fine with Zinger. He's like the least of my problem. Notice the best guy that they have to send out with the final group.

Even when they're not in commercial, like when when they don't have any commercials the last hour or so, they're still doing just a moment of go. There's two fucking groups on the course and you're still doing just a moment of go. Like that's tough. Well, let's get we'll get to the cover to second. Okay. You guys you guys kind kind of rode pretty hard for L.A. I still ride for it. I thought like the first hole, I think it's a great opening hole for a major.

I think two is cool. I think three's a little bit gimmicky off the tee. Three stinks. It stinks. I think it's a cool second shot in there. All of them going to the same spot is, is, it's worth. I think really cool member hole, tough, tough US open hole. Yeah, I think that's, I think that's well said.

I think, I think six is one of the best holes in all of golf tournament or not. I think it's just epic. I think eight's a great hole. I think, you know, 11's spectacular. 12's are really, really underrated hole. 14's awesome. So you're not the biggest fan of 13, but I think it's interesting that you have to shape it 12s are really, really underrated. Whole 14s awesome.

So you're not the biggest fan of 13, but I think it's interesting that you have to shape it in there right to left. It's asking a very distinct question. I don't know, overall, I just feel like everything course wise this week, everybody was soured because of all the other shit going on, the lack of vibe and how hard it was to get around.

And I think everybody was soured by the 62s. on, the lack of vibe and how hard it was to get around. I think it was soured by the 62. Yeah, the Thursday score. Like that was like first impression, you know, first impression. I mean, it's like, yeah, so it's not as open and also not a good US open venue. But it's like, I mean, pebble with open venue, minus 13 adjustments. I think you got to tighten up some, I don't want everything to be high rough, but there's some holes where you could bring the rough up and tighten the fairway.

It doesn't have to be wide off every T-box. I didn't feel like there was much of a challenge off the tee anywhere on this golf course, and that doesn't feel like a complete test to me. The biggest thing for me, just that's sourd it for me, was Joel Bill reported this morning, and I'd heard this previously, that the membership at LACC tried to buy up every single ticket

So this is basically a private event That to me is pretty fucked up. Yes, that's bad and it's like why why even want to host this other than just It being some sort of weird flex other than just it being some sort of weird flex, right? Like that's antithetical to the national championship. You would want to host it and bring the world to your course and show them what it's all about and have it with open arms and all that. I think they, I think they copped out

with how many fans they could have. I heard Juan was scrambling around all over town trying to get more people to come and you know, giving some tickets out here and there. Oh, it's tickets. Who needs tickets? I got four. I don't know. I got four.

And like that, that, that, that, that, that to me just doesn't add up to like the philosophy of our national championship. And, and what are the governing body of the sport should be trying to which we've, we've talked about this at Nazim all week, but I think it bears repeating on this Sunday show here is like there's, I think a disconnect between Boat and Hammer. I don't know really where Mike Wands stands. I know he's still pretty early in his 10 year, but like the people at the USGA, I think have moved past. We are thick. I should say most, like the setup people at the USGA have moved past like we are thick rough. We are golf's

toughest test. We are all this bullshit because I think they've almost like waved the white flag on technology and all of that stuff just to say like this is artificial. We can keep it at even if you want, but like that's not going to be proper test. So I think like there's a disconnect between how those people are like trying to set up the golf course and how the US Open is thought of by most people and still like build a lot of the time in the USGA ads and all of those things, right? Because like, do I think this was like a really, really,

really good test of golf that identified the best player and all of those things like, yeah, hell yeah. I thought it was way different than a week to week PJ Tour event. I thought it felt like a major. I thought all those things were true. Neil, to your point, did it feel like a capital U, U S open like that I've come to expect over the last 35 years

of my life? No, totally not. So like something's gotta change. You know what I mean? There's a disconnect between those two things and I think that's just gonna take a while to sus out. And it's been five years, like they've stopped talking, like you should expect the set of people have.

Yes, the rest of the organization has no, that's true. They're still selling grit hats, man. It's tough, yeah. You know, like that's the marketing. You think that's why we're trying to get some, we've had these people on our pod and in videos of like explaining the specifics of what they're,

like we literally said this, the winning score was gonna be 10 under before the week. Like this is the, this should not have been a surprise to anyone that was following this even remotely. And I have no issue with 10 under under I think where I have an issues I didn't think that I thought I had fun watching the event and I like the course in spots looked really good I just thought they

Wasn't a complete test Especially off the tee like I feel like you there's room to still have the high rough in spots I don't need it everywhere, but I didn't feel like it tested the complete game of the golfers. Like to get, I just feel like a lot of guys were getting away with stuff off the T. It's kind of my thesis there. I think the hard part in like a macro sense is like you start growing up rough and then all the bunkering of that golf course just becomes like irrelevant, right? Like a lot of the the thought is like keep the fairways firm, keep them wide so that like if you get a ball rolling in the wrong direction, it's supposed to roll into those bunkers.

So you grow like 20 yards of rough between, you know, what is now the edge of the fairway and the edge of the bunker. And it just becomes like a really. Yeah, but where other than number one, where was a bunker? I didn't see any even like anybody even remotely running into like running out into danger. Six number one on the left. Yes. And then otherwise it was just like,

they weren't even in play. 17, that bunker should have been moved up. I don't understand what that bunker was for. Nobody drove it in that bunker, the left of 17 all week. 16, that was a wonderful bunker. It was extremely well placed. It was 335 carry adjusted.

No one could get over it. You could get around it if you wanted to, but that was extremely well placed. So I'm with you. It was not perfect off the tee. I think there were, I mean, I know this is not like in George Thomas's original design, but like if you're gonna have the 58 yard wide fairway

on the 18th hole, like there needs to be a bunker down the right. There's gotta be something guarding that right of like that you don't wanna be going down that way, or even like a center line bunker, some kind of something to avoid with that t-shot would have elevated things a lot. So. Last thing, can I say one more thing?

Uh, I've 15 super fucking overrated. Like, oh, the 80 yard shot. Like everyone tell me we're going to get some big ass hops, like lacrosse balls into the back bunker. Fuck that, dude. Those guys, before that, up, there was plenty of room. I need to go back and watch the walker. What are we talking about?

It was, it was fantastic for the Walker Cup. And I don't know if it was just the way they covered it or what, but it was a lot less dynamic. It didn't even look that skinny on that front portion. I all I heard all week, you know, I don't even, my intake of like pre week stuff. And it was just like, hold me at 15. You know, I think that's some of that though is like,

that comes back to NBC and how like truly abysmal they are. Yeah.'ll say one thing to whole play that interesting one bokeh today on 15 somehow. I don't I was win him Clark. Who is the one? Okay. Yeah. Five, five doubles all week, even when the mules were in the field and the qualifiers were in the field. So, so a little bit of like is that fit is 15 like without all the hype is 15 a bad

hole. Yeah. Maybe it's maybe it's just average. Like it's again, man, like the players in this field are like too freaking good. Like members hype and it's like, it didn't live up to the hype at all. Yeah, I totally agree. Let's bring in KVV.

Let's do that. Kevin, Ben Volkkenberg, our resident journalist has been on site all week. We have not talked to him today much at all. We have no idea what he saw. We have no idea what he's getting ready to tell us. But what's what's your reaction? Everything is just unfolded, Kevin. Look, I think you can feel happy for Wyndham Clark. I think he played pretty

darn well. You got to give it to him. You got you. You have to give it to him. He did just win the US Open. It seems like a nice fella. Had some great sort of quotes. He was talking, I watched him on the range this morning, I guess it was this afternoon, but for probably, he was the last guy off the range. And he was sitting there with his psychology coach, who's also Max's sort of psychology coach. And she was telling him, every time you hear a cheer for Ricky today, you know, remember your goals and get cocky.

And he was like every time, he said, I must have done that a hundred times today. So every single cheer that someone had for Ricky or for Rory, I just channeled that. I was like, yeah, I'm going at this. Not that that was kind of a cool insightful thing. I mean, he was pretty charming in his press conference. He caught him, he and Ricky Fowler were sort of crossing paths one last time as he was going into his

press when Ricky was leaving his and he said to Ricky, hey man, like next year this is yours. And Ricky was like, hey man, that's cool, but like, how does it feel for you? And he was like, you know what? It feels really fucking great. I'm so, that's cool, man. That's EVB.

How was the vibe out there today? Was it different than yesterday? It was, it was different. There was a lot more people actually. It was funny. T. a lot more people actually. It was funny. You say that because I got heckled by some LACC member who was pissed off at us for, say, he said, why don't you go tweet about that there's not enough people here.

And I chirped back him. I said, well, is that because the USGA went and bought 6,000 T-ROM or tickets to give out to this morning? And he didn't. What did he say? You're so right, Kevin. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry, Mr. TC. I'm not sure he has that information, but that was right before Rory, sort of, fanned his wedge on 14. And so it was a series of unfortunate events there.

Yeah, I mean, look, obviously, Rory, it's a pretty big bummer for anybody who was sort of hoping that this was the moment for him. And I think you guys probably saw the, his quote, when I asked him a question about, hey, man, is it because every time he does this, we're like, you know, what do you think you'll learn from this? Or how do you think he'll grow from this? And I was like, hey, are you getting kind of exhausted by these questions about, you know,

how this is going to build character? And he kind of chuckled. And he was like, yeah, but, you know, I'd go through 100 Sundays like this, just to give my hands on one more major championship. There's a little bit of a reminder of that Brooks quote of like, I'd give back every single dollar that I have to experience that one more time. It just shows you like, these things matter. Nobody like bursts into sobbing tears after, you know, an event for 15 million bucks.

They do it because they matters for history. So it was an interesting day. I wish, I can't feel like Rory hit bad putts. There were so many that were like burning edges and if the pace was a little bit better, it was never anyone that just flat out sucked except for maybe the putt on 8. I think he was mostly still bumming about the first put that he had. But like that that eight iron that he hit into that green, I think maybe it was a nine iron, you know, it took one bounce that wasn't firm enough. It would have probably fed all the way down to the hole

if it was a little firmer there. Just kind of how it goes. You know, there's too many random bounces in a major championship and he hasn't gotten sort of, you know, I honestly, when he hit the the be embedded ball, I thought, oh my gosh, he's gonna get a drop out of this fucking terrible swing. This is the break that he's needs. If he holds this chip here, all of a sudden, like, everything changes.

Like that. And of course, you know, he made sense. And I think that, you know, he said in his presser that, you know, he was, he wanted hit San wedge? The wind was kind of changing. He, he and Harry talked it over and they decided, okay, it's three quarter gap which and he stepped, stood over the ball and he just felt like, you know what? I don't know.

I don't feel 100% confident of this. And the wind kind of took it and it just died. And he said, if I'd awaited another 15, 20 seconds, I think I would have been better off. I think I might, I had the original club right and I should have just hit a hard sandwich. I do, I feel better than him airing on the side of taking more club and trying to finesse something that I would have tried to pound something at least though. We had to eat him up, I think if he'd have tried to muscle a wedge.

That's been the issue, is him sky and wedges. But the ironic thing is the only thing you can't do there is make sure. Yeah, Kev, what's up? Yeah, it's just that though, TC like man, it's. The margins are thin. I know there's like a piece with wide spot that he's trying to land that. Yeah, it's hard to get in the fence. 72 of those right, you know, I mean, I'm amazed watching a lot of those shots all

week of like the dudes that were carrying the bunkers by like five yards on 11 and just like having no doubt I mean their their distance control I've never been more impressed with overall distance control after watching a tournament watching all the shots go into six all week And dude just having no problem from 59 yards 79 yards 99 yards no big deal. We'll drop it in there 15 I just looked at the numbers for 15 90 97% of the guys hit it in there. 15. I just looked at the numbers for 15. 97% of the guys hit it in round one. 93% and two, 87 and three and 86% for overall 93% of players in the entire field. Mule's included hit the 15th green. Like it's just

it was a lot of grotesque really good golf played. So to that to that point, I think what impresses me more is those last like 16 17 18 watching those guys judge their runouts. You know, they're hitting six irons, seven irons, five irons into these greens and they're landing on the front and it just trickles up to pin high. It's like it's like automatic. I mean, cam, Scotty, Rory, like even though Rory's eight shot on 18 was, you know, off to the left, it's still the right distance. Especially with how many front pins there were today, too. It's just a really good golf.

So, so, uh, KVV story of the day, Tommy. Yeah. Clearly, was that just where people just just a buzz buzzing? Yeah, it was clearly, I mean, I, it was tears in their eyes when he was about to make that putt and then missed it on 18. Those are good putt, you see, we get a reaction from you on that one. Yeah, it's just like the Gordon Sergeant putt. Something was going on with that cup.

I'm lucky. You see, what is the difference? And it was all a huge bump there. What is the difference between what, what Tommy did today and what can't lay was you were alleging earlier about the sort of stolen valor yellow Wikipedia top two. Yeah. I'm very curious about this. We've ridden Patrick pretty hard for this kind of thing.

It doesn't turn matter. It's so fine in these. Yeah, the lines are very fine. It's hard. It's really hard to get it just right. But I'm curious, I wonder if you can help me just put this in perspective. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I think first of all is a top five. Okay, yeah, Tommy doesn't really finish top 10. He finishes top five. So that's a big difference. He's not he's not skating in on the number. That's such a good thing. Getting that yellow. He's earning the yellow. Did he was under any pressure today? You think he made the cut on the number and ended up finishing T five. Meanwhile, can't like didn't even miss T10 by a shot.

Tommy's intended in majors before, Kent lay hasn't. So that's a big difference. Tommy doesn't need to fluff his resume. Kent lay does. What's different between Tommy's put on 18 and Rory's on 8. Rory's a hall of famer and Tommy's not. Oh my God, that's a big emotion.er and Tommy's not. Oh, God.

That's a big news news here. Bangalong. Got him. Do you have all the masters that's Tommy's will do? You think Tommy and Fina got up this morning or like, you know, we're in this so we can just shoot 56 55 somewhere in there. Are we talking are we talking Milton Fina? Well, we got I explain this and are we talking about like Milton Friedman like the economics guy

Actually, the name is Milton really yeah, or his middle name Milton. What's his name Milton Pua Tony Fino's name? Oh, I got I thought this was some like deep economics his name. Oh, I thought this was some like deep economic joke. Tony Tony. Tron just started referring to exclusively as melted at our slack. Oh, yeah, what fucking Milton shoot today? Just killing me. The best was was a TC pump pumping up Fleetwood's major record and dumping on Fee now's would Fleetwood has six top tens and majors and Fee now's got 10 of them. So Tony

has to look for the whole. I'm talking top tens. I'm talking top five. I'm talking a very selective ranking that only favors my guy. And how is this the first time I'm here that Tony Fee now is my real name is Milton. You got to maybe don't know ball, Neil. It's not your recent title. I'm like a like an onion joke of of economic. I didn't know where we I thought was like, oh, yeah, Finau freedman, you know, I can tear it. I lost. Yeah, yeah, John Milton.

It's a great. I lost. Also Tony Tony's two years older like we don't know what you don't know what time he's going to do over the next 12., okay. Okay, this is your fault. This is your fault, okay, be honest. I'm just, I need, I look, I need some editorial guidance about how I should do these things that I'm out here on the ground and it's important to have the perfect. I appreciate your first person, your first person reporting. You know, people had tears in their eyes. How did Milton play?

Ken, what's the, what's the lasting scene? I know your big scene guy scene guy. Seeing kid. Go for on the floor and the govinsacks. I think, I mean, I thought it was pretty cool that, you know, wind him sobbing on the grain. I mean, he talked a lot about his mom and how much she meant to him. You know, if you didn't hear us last night talking about or didn't read my piece this morning, she died of breast cancer when he was at Oklahoma State. And he, he really struggled with a lot of stuff. Since he talked about like being in his car some days and just like beating the shit out of his car and being so angry about, he said, he had a great quote, he's like, why can't

I be as good as my peers? Like, why can't I do the things that they can? And so, you know, he was looking up and thinking about his mom in that moment and so, you know, he was looking up and thinking about his mom in that moment and how, you know, he'd lost her, she'd been through a hell of a lot of stuff and he'd almost quit golf twice and he'd sort of stuck with it. He said it used to like really burn him a lot. He burned him up when people say, man, you have such a good swing because inside he would be thinking, like, okay, cool, but why can't I get the ball to go where I want? And I think that was kind of interesting too. It's hard to play really great golf.

And that three would into 14 that he hit. That was the shot of the tournament to me, to just have that moment, Roy's on tilt. And he just ropes that three would in there and makes an easy birdie to go up three. That was the difference to me because I will say, I think I heard when I came on, I heard you guys talking a little bit about 18 is pretty toothless. I mean, he like, he hit a really bad drive on 18. Like so bad. It was so worst, you know, it was like Phil basically at wing foot, like it floated way,

way right. You know, what Phil's going left, whatever, but big slice. And of course, it's still in the fairway. And I think that was sort of a, I was like going left, whatever, but big slice. And of course, it's still in the fairway. And I think that was sort of a, I was like, oh man, like how can you get the crowd when that ball was in the air? Usually crowd can't track the ball, but it was so bad the crowd was like, oh, while the ball was in the air. It was crazy. That's it. I was one of the worst, like it should have spun off the planet. It should be an orbit right now. Yeah. So it was the 10th hardest hole all week, the 18th hole, which I think can, if you're already

have a little bit of an identity crisis amongst like casual fans, if you're of course not being difficult, a rather benign finishing hole is a tough, tough dessert platter on top of that, that, that menu that you've laid out, I guess. So shout out to TC. Look, I mean, when they might go on to be like a really great player. So I don't know that this is like a fluke thing. I mean, he hits it so freaking far. Probably should be on the Ryder Cup team now.

I mean, imagine putting him with somebody else who hits it really far or who it's a short, you know, and just kind of letting them say, all right, you go out and, and attack, you know, putting him in alternate shot. I mean, he's good at everything. And, you got up and down from so many interesting places today. I thought for sure when he, we, he's fanned it left of 11. I was like, here we go. This is where he, it's going to come apart. And he hit, you know, not a great shot on 13. He, you know, muscles that out of there, you know, not a great shot on 15, not a

great shot on 16, not a great shot on 17, but he just kept scraping it around. That's that was the difference between like, you know, guys who blow it in the end of these things and guys who don't is that he just didn't, wasn't going to let it, we're going to let that lead go. I think if it had gotten tied, he would have freaked out and worried what a, you know, maybe closed. It was also not only did he get up and down from those spots, I felt like his wedge made

it so that he didn't put, hardly put any pressure on his putter. Like the one place he did on 15, he missed that putt, but most of them were just so inside the comfy zone. It was just like, for me rooting for Rory, it's just demoralizing. I mean, there's not even a chance here that he's gonna mess up the boxes.

We didn't even talk about eight and nine. I mean, eight and nine is probably the turning point of the heat. I asked him, can you take us specifically through what happened on eight? And he was eight and nine. I mean, eight and nine is probably the turning point of the heat. I asked him, can you take us specifically through what happened on eight? And he was like, yeah, I mean, I was so, my mind was working so fast. And he was like the next shot that I hit after I whifted,

I didn't even know where it went. I was like, I have no idea where it is. And my caddy had to show me what I, and he was like, I just told myself to calm down, slow down, the caddy was like, let's just get up and down here. Let's make a buggy. And then he goes and dumps it in the bunker on nine. the bunker on nine and it has the sort of wear with all the chip it away from the Whole let it take the slope and makes that put that was you zinger's mind god no zinger

Zinger backed himself into a corner on that way that's not going to make it a way to get 10 feet and there's like that's not Gonna take the hill and it's not gonna get all the way down there damn it Say what you want about zingeringer it's kind of fun almost to have it a voice of the fan you know exactly where I'm at with Zinger it's like you know what that's that's not what I come down no way I'm adding that much shit out this coming down it's coming all the way down what are what are you what are you doing the plane or that could be one of those extra terrestrial videos like you turn that into an alien film.

How big were the gas tanks on that plane? I mean, KVV is the plane loud in person? A little bit at times when it's over the whole that you're on, you can definitely, it's a, because I think Cody was speaking to it to it's last night. Like, I think it's honestly louder on TV though than it is on on person. That's cool. I won last thing for when I'm clerk that we haven't mentioned yet. The shot on four today was like, that was big boy stuff.

A high cut. I don't know what it was. Four iron, five iron, whatever it was, that back pin that no one was getting it after all day. That could be closest to the day, right? I mean, it was such a good shot. It was so proper. And I just, that's, that's going to be a good shot. It was so proper. And I just that's that's

going to be a ringing shot in my ears. I think I'm still that in the sound of Rory's four iron on 11 or like a couple of the shots that I'll remember the most from from from today. Yeah. Really good. I mean, I thought the chip on six as well from that deep, deep rough, like short right of the green there. That was a really strong shot as well. KVV, did you follow Rory all day? Did you kind of bounce back and forth? What was your strategy? I was hauling ass back and forth between the two. I mean, there was a couple, like, luckily, you could kind of follow both. So I started out with Rory and then would drop back and then run forward and drop back and run forward. So I was working hard. I hope they burned a few pounds on today. forward and drop back and run forward. So I was working hard. I hope they burned a few pounds on today. So circling back there, there was two birdies on four today. Windom was by far

the closest shot. Yeah, him and Austin Eckert were the only two birdies to hit it to five feet. And the final group Germany, yes, opens. When you go in by one, there's a there's a there's a defining moment for you. And also, I don't know if you put her on 8 to win to lose by the way. I don't know, guys, if you guys have brought this up yet, but when Rory was waiting to go into scoring, he leaned over to Sean, his manager, and said, St Andrews all over again. Oh, fuck. Yeah. So that's, yeah, definitely he felt, he felt the sting of like just not being able to put well enough.

He's, I think he, the phrase he used in the presser was, you know, I didn't play poorly, but I didn't do enough. Which like going back to what we were talking about last night, like, if he, if that's his first reaction coming off the green of a major championship, like you can't tell me this card issue isn't like getting to an uncomfortable level, right? I mean, if he's going straight back to like, yeah, the most recent of his heart breaks and he's the, I had to cross his mind midday, right? Like all this is saying it like that's not, that's not like the

go like fuck everyone. I'm worried fucking McRory. I'm going to win this thing attitude. That's like ho that's wish that's wishful Rory. That's the that's the one that's been hard to watch in majors. I felt like last couple years, do something to get over the hump, right? Yeah, the last two years have been way better than the just another guy, like Roy and majors that we saw for a couple of years there. And it is worth acknowledging that. He is

way closer and I feel better about his chances going forward after the last couple of years. But yeah, he's going to have a lot of the same expectations at Liverpool to place he's won and then he's going to know like, then it's 10 a lot of the same expectations at Liverpool a place he's won and then he's gonna know like, then it's 10 years going into the next year if you haven't won one and like that's wild to think. This podcast exists last time he won a major. I think it started in 14, right?

Yeah, that was tough. It's also just, I don't know, it kinda, it's kinda cheesy, but like it's also part of the reason why it's the best that there's only four years, right? Like it's man, what a, I don't know, what a mind fuck. It's just I don't know. I think it's so tough to where yeah, it's like I feel like he's a better golfer than he was. I think in two years ago, I feel like he's a better man than he was four years ago. Like he's playing better golf tee to green. I think he feels like he has a better

Yeah, man to his swing and course management and all that. It's just like he's playing better golf tee to green. I think he feels like he has a better man to his swing and course management and all that. It's just he hit it so good today. I mean, he was really good with driver. I mean, what do you miss one time on 16, I think? I mean, I can't, I'm trying to struggle to remember another drive that he hit that wasn't great. It's also just, just funny thing to like the echo

of what you said about Wyndham Clark to KVB where it's like Him walking off the golf course and people talking about like man, you're swing so good like Rory You're playing so great, man. Yeah, I fucking know dude. I know I know don't care. Just kind of missing one thing still It's hard like we have such high standards for Rory, right? And he should deserves to have like good reasons of my standards Yeah for good reason. But like he, everybody else sort of showed up small in this term. All the other big what, you know, Scotty was awful today. Ram was nowhere to be found. Your boy Tony did, you know, you know, Tony and Tommy

weren't even in in contention of this, right? So like, Roy is the one dude other than Wyndham, who like delivered something above average, every single round and yet like it's the disappointment is huge. I mean it just it shows I think I wrote this line today like the golf between first and second is like emotionally immeasurable because like second is so fucking good in the US open. Nine under in this course this week was really good and it wasn't even close to being good enough and that's what's heartbreaking for him I'm sure. Scott he finished third. Let's chill out on that he wasn't even close to being good enough. And that's what's heartbreaking for him, I'm sure. Scottie finished third.

Let's chill out on that he wasn't any good at any point. But I think Roy needs a vacation. I think, you know, at this point, we can acknowledge. Let's see what you're saying. I see that. I know you. I know you. Can't get to it.

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Ricky shot throughout the day and just nothing is maybe hit a good wedge into 14 made birdie there. But by then it was sort of irrelevant. I don't know. I mean, just I really thought that if it was, you know, what if it wasn't severely hard, that Ricky was going to be able to win it, and he just wasn't ever, you could sort of feel it slowly coming undone by the third green.

It's not- The seating the field in birdies and bogies. Yeah. Kind of summed it up for me. I was like, we were focusing all on the birdies. We weren't really focused on the bogies. And the putter just, you know, he was kind of unconscious with it for three days.

You look back, everything becomes clear to me after the fact. You're like, well, I don't think you can keep that pace up. This is certainly not, I told you so, because I thought he was going to keep playing well today, but like we did say it on Thursday too, was like, man, he's been in, he's been putting up a lot of good results.

He hasn't really like had a chance to win in a really, really, really long time. And it's really hard when you go back to everything we just said, like, careers being defined by majors. There's only for a, you know, a year, you've got all this scartissier bringing to it. Why haven't you won one? And then you're like, also, I don't have the muscle memory of like going and trying to win a PJ tour of it. It's a tough, tough task for today.

Scotty, what is our reaction to what we saw out of Scotty this week? Well, I'd like to take it off and say I thought it was almost born like criminal of you last night. Solid to say that that was the story of the day. His bogey, Eagle birdie finish yesterday was the story of the day. I thought that was like, what thought you're still going to win? I thought that was a trash take and I would ask for an apology to do everybody. I thought he was still going to win. I'm both not apologize for that at all. I think that was an enormous story.

And I'm, we didn't have it. And I'm so fucking sick of hicks and zinger trying to tell me to find a new slant that his putting isn't a problem. I mean, every chance they get it's like when You know Todd Lewis was trying to say like That's mutual in his caddy broke up. It's mutual You know with this with this garbage guys. Oh, yeah, you know, they're trying to make it a narrative out there Yeah, no, we asked he said it's not

And then he's just booting everything on the low side. It's garbage man Sorry, I'm sorry before we go any farther. We side. It's garbage man. Sorry. I'm sorry. Before we go any farther We need to talk about the TIO relief on seven. Yes, we do that was agree that's that the biggest story of the day for you When it comes to Scotty it was I thought that was bullshit. So I'm cool to talk about it I mean it was looking egregious I mean, I was looking egregious. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was looking egregious. I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was looking egregious. I was, I was, I was looking egregious. I was, I was, I was looking egregious.

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I was looking egregious. I was looking egregious. I was looking egregious. I was looking egregious. I was looking egregious. I was looking egregious. I was looking e do this. I mean least he didn't make the Part put I don't know how he got spin on that ball coming out of that Bark or whatever the edit on it was a shot length. He got to release it It was a shot length tower the data guys love him and the data towers love him like the the data boy Every all the data love Scotty shot. I feel like the spirit of the game died a little bit today The spirit of the rule. Wow between between that was Scotty between what did I ask? Can we talk? Cady between between windom's caddy lining him up on every putt. That's too bad. Agregious. And between windom mashing his lie down behind the ball.

Uh, were you good with the Rory's embedded ball? Was that okay? Different occasions. Taking the fingers into the earth, I get a little uneasy with the Proctology game on exam on the rough. Props to Scotty for finding Roy's ball. I do not think that Roy would have found it if Scotty hadn't been like, I think it's right here. Really? Yeah, it was, I mean, they were starting to get nervous about like where the, I mean,

they were like feeling in the grass because they could not figure out where it actually had landed. No one could understand it. And Scotty, they were both in the bunker and Scotty like started like poking his finger around. I was like, I think it's right here. So there's some spirit that's it. We'll give Scotty the credit for that. That's okay. So Scotty related, sorry, I'm going to pose you this question. Like, why did you think he was going to win? Like, we know he's putting horribly. Like what? What? What? What? Well this week. He put it. He put it pretty well overall for the week. Right right it was he's hitting the ball so

Freakin well that it felt like if he delivered the putting week that he did I thought he was gonna win he actually didn't hit the ball as well as we're used to a Scotty because he finished third and ball striking this week That's how good he's been hitting it is he literally finished his first like every week in ball striking and put so badly That he and he still finishes in the top five so's like, if he gains on the greens this week, I thought he was gonna win. And he kind of took him a little while to get going a little bit with the ball. So he didn't drive it great the first couple of days.

And it just felt like at some point, he was gonna go on a run, he was gonna get hot, at least a little bit, and it never really fully materialized. He putted poorly today. We needed, you know, just a couple more of those 15 footers to go at some point and it never happened. We needed, you know, just a couple more of those 15 footers to go at some point and it never happened.

But his floor is just like, nobody felt like Scottie played well this week. It did not, there's no highlight memories. There's no like feeling of, I mean, obviously the highlight of 17 on Saturday, like the whole out, the freakish whole out from the fairway, that was after an exasperating stretch of not being able to get the ball in the hole.

And it's just like, his floor is so wildly high right now that It says ninth top ten and his last eleven majors like it's been a freakish run in golf's hardest events And I felt like he was somehow under talked about coming into this week and Sea game finished third and third three shots out of the lead I'll pose you another question. So all is is Scott even new booey. Many people are asking the bobber. He's the frickin bobber. Sorry. Sorry. I keep trying to make bobber happen. But yeah. Somebody was the strike indicator. I think that's fair. I think John kind of, you know, been a non factor in the last two majors after many people

were saying he might win the Grand Slam is at least something worth acknowledging, but he also finished T-Tab this week. Back door. Back door. It was, but listen, you're just quoted, Scottie's last 11 majors, like all the shickets rolled up into those kinds of stats. So I'm just reading it into the record. I mean, last two last two US open,

Scott, he's been beat my total of three people. Shout to CalPorters favorite stat, but like that's that's sick to do that and not when either one of them like that's that's that's pretty that's tough. Them be the break sometimes, but that's tough. Yeah, I didn't feel like he was a really a threat though. Like I guess this is total I test like all of what you said. Stat related is like,

yeah, I'm nodding along and I agree with the high floor thing and it was just like all four days. I was like, man, he just doesn't have it. Like he's not, it's not like he just, I just didn't feel like he was gonna turn it on. That's fair. I felt like there was, at some point of a four days, he was gonna turn it on and it just never felt,

it never fully came through. He needed to go get it more on day one. That was the day that was obviously out there. He only shot three under on day one and that was tough. So I'll still I don't regret picking him at all. I think it was it was it was a solid pick and uh to really I mean, when do I could not have predicted getting beat by wind him, but Rory, I mean, I got get it. If you pick R you pick Rory, that's a W over Scotty, but wind him was kind of a freakish result, I'd say. I mean, wind him stats for like the like Stroke's game around the green and short game and stuff was just crazy.

He was, I mean, he really didn't like his approach play wasn't really that great all of them. It really wasn't. It was, it was that good off. It's really good off the sea. Really good around the greens. Really good on the greens. It was a weird little weird weird way of getting about it.

Almost negative. Drowsky and approach this week. That's just weird. That's yeah, you got a guy that drives it that well and puts it that well. That guy's to your point, KVB probably going to make a lot of money on the PJ tour. Yeah.

KVB any other big a lot of money on the PJ tour. Yeah. KVB any other big takeaways, big observations? Yeah, this week. I don't know, it's hard to not think a little bit about like, I think one of the things that's most interested to me about Rory is, I think he's clearly trying to go about his business while also still like honoring who he wants to be as a person. And I think that you know he hinted at this at the PGA where he said, I don't really want to be that person that I was in 2014 because that getting into that sort of headspace was sort of exhausting

and I didn't really like who I was. And so I think he feels deep down, like he can win majors, still kind of being the kind of gregarious open-hearted person that he is. And I think we're so close to that being validated this week, but I also still wonder, like, is that the way that he's gonna win major championships? And I don't know. I mean, if I like personally, from my sake,

I love it when he chats people up, you know, when he'll say hello and invite us along to practice rounds. But I wonder, like, if maybe sometimes he should just kind of push everyone away for a little while and say, like, I'm going to, maybe that puts him in a bad head space. You know, we used to talk about this with DJ.

I remember thinking, DJ needs a better caddy. And you guys said, pushback and said no That might be the perfect caddy for him because he needs someone who's gonna make him feel comfortable and I think that's a Good thing to think about the worries. Maybe this point is life like I don't know I Honestly feel like man It's just at this point. It's the weight the weight of that blanket just gets heavier each major that goes by right It's just like dude. How can it have been this like, dude, how can it have been this long?

Well, now, how can it have been this long? Like, I've played some pretty freaking good golf in majors for quite some time. I've had, you know, great runs near the end. I've had great chances and had bad runs near the end. How does it, how long can this happen? And then just like, again, I go back to like the more of this happens, the more he's just gonna think about it.

And the pressure just continues to mount. And the Sunday's just tend to look like that when he's really just continues to mount. And the Sundays just tend to look like that when he's really close. And they just, that moment when you're waiting for that plot to go in just like never seems to come. And I think to that point too, like, you know, I know this wasn't his week necessarily, but like if Brooks wins, you know,

Brook, it's now five to four. It's worth shouting out at every turn, right? It's like, we've, we've always talked about Rory as being the guy because he had four and nobody else did. And now Brooks has five. And if Brooks gets to six, it gets even louder. If Brooks gets to seven, it gets even louder, right? And that, I don't know, feels pretty possible to me.

It should be really loud for Liverpool. I mean, his last six, seven majors, I mean, he missed the cut this year at the Masters, obviously, which was, you know, he's shortly withdrew from the heritage week after that. And it just seemed like he was totally exhausted by that point. But second to Masters last year, eighth PGA, T5 US Open, third in the Open Championship, that MC of the Masters this year, T7 at PGA and Solo second this year at the US Open. Like that's pretty, you know, we've got, we've got that. We got Quill Hollow next year. We've got Valhalla or Dahls next year. We've got that. We've got Quill Hollow next year. We've got Vahala.

We've got Vahala next year. We've got Quill Hollow the year after. Like some comfy places for Rory coming up. So. But agree with that. So Kevin, we're going to send you on your way. Now you got to get to some writing, but we appreciate all of your insights and your traveling and being away from your from your daughters on Father's Day and All you've done to to provide for for all of us this past week at the US open and and all your insights and all that And if people can find your writing at nolangup.com

He's been sending out the dispatches hard and fast this week and we want to shout you out for an awesome week and we thank you for it Thanks guys We got a lot of people in the stands were sort of giving shout outs to NLU this week. It was pretty awesome to hear it feel like, you know, the writing thing is starting to have a little love and we're starting to get people who are reading it regularly and I appreciate that. And that's just TC's members up there. That's his fans and golf.

And I definitely, thanks for mentioning my girls and father's day and stuff because I was missing them pretty hard today. I'm excited to get home to them and play some golf at them. I would also recommend no free ads, but Go Read KVV's Golfers Journal piece. I retweeted it. I don't know if Kevin, I don't know if you tweeted it as well. I think Golfers Journal tweeted it out today, but kind of a father's day golf read that just is one of my favorite things in golf.

So go read that too. Thanks guys. Cheers Kevin. I just saw this Andy just tweeted this. The six events ago, Wyndham Clark was playing in an opposite field event and now he's 13th ranked player in the world. Is that true? Like that is freekish man. Yeah. I'm going back to the Rory thing. I don't want to belabor Rory or anything like that. And I know we've talked about it prior, but like the, the caddy thing. Like does he need a second set of eyes on a pot that he's not? And like, because he's not even calling Harry in

for some of these, right? I was thinking about that today. I wish I had a better understanding and I just need to get to more tournaments and like actually watch it and it would have been a good thing to ask KVV while he was here, but I don't know how much they're interacting during, like I was thinking about that with some of the shots he was hitting and some of the clubs he's pulling and places he's, you know,

playing to and sides of the greens and all that stuff. Like I don't know how much they're, so do you have a feel for that just by watching? Like how much are they actually going back and forth and how much is it him kind of doing his thing? The last I talked to him was truly when he went with Harry. I remember talking to him about this in 2017. Like Harry's first or second event on the bag at Firestone

in Akron, as, yeah, that was summer of 17. And he had said he got lazy with JP and he said he was, he was had someone to place some un Justified blame on right he would fall back on the pain sponge He would fall back basically on like he's like hey now with with Harry on the bag I'm gonna get my own yardages. I'm gonna do my own reads like it's all on me I need it to all be on me. I need to take ownership in it I need to be more invested in the shots

I need to be a invested in the shots. I need to be a part of the process instead of showing up at my ball and knowing the numbers and asking what I should hit. That's all on me now. That was six years ago now. I don't know how that relationship has evolved. Kevin's still in here and he just fired into our chat.

Sorry Cody, I was double-click. Sorry. And I'm not asking this to like be a dick to Harry I like like who knows of Harry like I mean Harry for all I know could be a great caddy and Roy's just not using him and Roy Needs to be capable or you know totally committed to all these shots or whatever But just looking at variables especially when it comes to putting and reading greens and all that like Let's look at all the variables here, right? Yeah, I would say Let's look at all the variables here, right? Yeah, I would say, Rory only reads his own puts.

He and Harry definitely have some discussion about yardage. They have a few laughs every now and then when something kind of stripping, I think was on, gosh, the one that's five, when Rory almost made that long one from just off the green. They had a good laugh and were so chatting about it, but they don't have a lot of convo. I don't know whether that's good or bad, but I wouldn't surprise me like if the thought has entered his mind of like, all right, do I need a different set of eyes on this? I mean, with a putting like this, I don't know

how you wouldn't sort of ask yourself that question. Like, maybe someone else should help, you know, give me a read here and there. And that's that's again, like every time we have this conversation, that's not, like, as T.C. is saying as well It's like that's not on Harry right? I think it Harry's providing like a very specific thing of like Roy's probably at a comfort level when he has his buddy out there on the bag and and going about it and I think it's fair to point that question towards Rory to be like is this are you getting everything you are you just Is it convenient for you to have like one of your friends on the bag who is, by all, you've six years of PJ tour experience, you've been FedExCups, you've won a lot of tournaments together, like, it's a good player.

It's really good player. It's not his capabilities at all as a caddy. That's not, that's never been what it is. It's like, are you utilizing the caddy role to the best of your total ability? Like I'd flip it around to be, also be like Scotty and Ted right now. It looks like Scotty's leaning too hard on Ted on the green so I figure out the reads for him and they are Not really on the same page with all that or there's not that ownership and responsibility and trust in the read when you go get over I can see that go the opposite way in another way, but yeah

At this many attempts is it is it you know is that a fair question to ask that none of us can really know the answer to. There was definitely a few times today when I was standing close to him on a tee where I wanted to sort of lean over and be like, hey, you're Rory fucking McIntyre. But I felt that would squash. I'm not doing that.

Whatever journalist I can take any that I have left to it, that would not be a good thing. So I kept that. I do my best to not make eye contact with him out there. I feel like that was breaking the fourth wall and not. If you want to talk succession out there, maybe. But no. There's another piece to this.

If I was to put myself in, that's hard to say, put myself in Roy Shuse, but I gotta think he's like, man, I want to see it through with Harry. Is that the right mindset? No, but like, I'm sure he wants to win it with Harry. That's probably, I'm guessing that's like important to him. It would be important to me if my best friend was on the bag and I, and I felt like, it was, you know, like, I'm putting it on me, like, I'm not asking him to do these things. Then I, I feel like that's a factor is, should he be like, what I like to

see him experiment with another catty? Yeah, I probably would, but I can see how there would be just a little bit of like, I want to do it my way. I want to do it with him. If that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think if you so long, Kevin, thank you for chumming back in there. But I think if you go all the way back six years, we weren't doing regular podcasts at that time. But we'd probably be like, Hey, man, this is, it's a pretty long term commitment here, because it's going to be really hard to change off of your best friend, right?

It's gonna be harder to fire your best friend than it would be, you know, anyone else that is just a, you know, a regular caddy of some sorts, but. I can't have to fire some of my analysts. This is probably, oh, it's not, and it's not, again, it's worries, this is worries problem, this is not hair problem. Correct, I do think about, you do think about like,

you know, problem, I ask like, do I think bones could help Rory? I do think about, you do think about like, you know, if I ask like, do I think bones could help Rory? I probably even one shot this week and he's in a playoff or just, you know, make it be, uh, I don't know, more of like a team. Like you see the way windoms working with his caddy, like they, they have it going on, man. Like, they might have it going on too much. No, I know, you know, like I them lining them up, but I'm talking more about like the limited caddy player Convo that they did catch between those two.

It was very collaborative. And I was like jacked up about it. I was like, man, God, I love, you know, love working with a caddy like that. That is like my dream. I go back to Brooks at the PGA too, said the same thing about him and Ricky Elliott, which is like, God, what a like, that is a true duo out there. But it's also to say like, man, does Rory feel like he can channel the Rory F and McElroy

more, just kind of out there doing on his own? The maybe that's an impossible question for us sitting here to answer, right? And it's fun to talk about though. Super fun to talk about. What's next? TC, you want to go further down the leaderboard here? Let him cook. I thought you would never ask, Sully. Thank you so much. I just got to shout out camp again. Like it's so fun to watch him putt. Good to see him playing good golf and being quite competitive. Yeah. I was kind of missing from the first couple of majors. 67 today. I mean, 71 yesterday kind of held him back a little bit, but definitely some good things. There should be a threat at a hoi lake, I think. I think hoi lake is going to be great. I think it's

going to be kind of a canvas of like, you know, there's, there's the new par three there towards the end. I think 16 or 17 there. And then there's the, you know, there's, there's a couple of those holes by the seaside. But otherwise, it's going to be like, it's going to be all about the players. Right. It's going to be all about like, this is the canvas play. It's, you know, it's about the players, not the course. Careful with your whole numbers, because I think they do flip because don't they, I don't know if they're doing the same thing they did last time, but they send players off the 17th hole to play 17, 18. And so it might be like 14 that's the part three. That's I don't know it's confusing. It's because they don't like that the first hole that the

first hole there is a in course OB all the right. It's so sick. But they don't want people to have that either first hole. So they play 17 and 18 then flip over to one, which makes that whole three. And it's super confusing how it all works. But I don't know if they're doing that. You know, Tommy, Tommy, I don't have to say a whole lot about his T5. It was a phenotex to me. He said it could have been a 59. It was that good. Like it was, and like, yeah, everybody's talking about the put on 18.

The put on 17 was awesome. That was really good part. That was great. I mean, he, he, he, he almost a six, almost joined the putt and the putt and 18 was really bad. And I haven't heard you say that yet. Man, Kali said, yeah, it was terrible. Man, Kali said it was possibly the three best three woods and succession ever hit in the history of golf. But not this week, not the best success on this week. He almost aased 11. That was sweet. That was crazy. Six.

Like he was, it was like exceptional shot at a 14. Did he hit it to five feet on six? Did I see that right? Yes. Are we going to work down the leaderboard here? Are we just going to stay? All right. Min Woo, you guys want to talk about the stable compound?

Yeah. We'll get some compound and some reports that I think he, he found some argon out there and just kind of you know Stable to stabilize that out a little bit a little bit collider. Yeah, very noble bounce back from smashing it It's he got Rick by eight today to get into a tie for fifth with him That's that's tough from our boy the Richtater guys. He's trying to mind the moon Trying to find a guy's I would I would like to congratulate you on on young Tom. Yeah, apology Hey guys, I would I would like to congratulate you on on young Tom. Can you?

It's top. Absolutely not unbelievable. I'm really, really cool. The savior of the PGA tour. Yeah, decided to show up. Can we, what's the timeline on when we can have the conversation on him being a fraud? Now it is a top 10 in the US open. Does that push the timeline out a little bit?

Again, it's not a top five. So, you know, here's what I need for you. So is is I don't. You see this is this is I'm I'm going to straddle line here a little bit. I don't think he's a fraud. I don't think I can. I don't need to reach across the aisle. But he was over hyped. I got his hand on that one.

But solid. I do need you to project here. Like what are we? We're projecting. And we're saying like, yeah, I think he's going to be great, man. Like Ryan Moore hell of hell of a tour player. Man, he had a lot of what the data says. It's like, what do you think?

What do you think? Where are we going? Because if we're going to like, yeah, he's like gonna win seven PJ tour events and like maybe threaten for a couple majors, like that awesome. Like I was gonna say, I'm not gonna get up in the morning for that though.

Like I need to like, I need to know what we're talking about. Yeah, it's a false profit. I mean, we're talking like, you know, people tell me he's the kid. I don't think this is it. I think it's a John profit. I mean, we're talking like, you know, people tell me he's the kid. I don't think this is it. I think it's a John the Baptist situation. Why I just wonder why we can't get excited about somebody under the age of 21 winning twice on the PGA tour. It's so cool. Unbelievable. We can get excited. Where we headed. Where we headed. I would say I think this is PGA tour wins. I think as is where I think major. No, I don't think that's the major. Yeah, we don't even know what the PGA tour is going to look like.

That's true. I would say four live wins and four PGA tour wins for team wins, four new co wins. So that seems pretty, pretty tepid, if I'm being honest. And that's what I just found out from. No, this is the part where you guys always get over, you get over hyped on how many wins somebody's got. You're not even willing to, to, to predict one major for the guy like really really fucking convincing

there. You caught him a fraud. That's what I had an issue with. I don't know. I can't. In relation to I'll say he wins a major. I train was out of Tom Kim wins a major in his career. Oh, you should have said that.

No, no. That's a big. Tom Kim wins a major in his career. Oh, you should have said that. Okay. No, that's not. Yeah. In a box without your neck. All right, we got him. Over under half major for Tom Kim. Are you all taking under? Ladies and gentlemen, we got. I'm taking, I'm taking an under.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm taking under. Hey, let's do this. I was playing golf with somebody this weekend, and they had a lifetime bet. I forget who the two players were. I think it was Corey Conner's versus Patrick Cantley. Like this, like, T.C. you would have loved it. This guy I played golf with fucking hated

Patrick Cantley barely, barely said anything like the whole route is very, very, very, like, except for like someone would talk about money or the PJ tour or whatever, you just beg, man, I hope fucking Cantley doesn't get any of that. God, this doesn't deserve anything. It was awesome. But they had a long life long bet that that just kept it spicy for every major going forward Just Connors versus Versus KLA head to head so So if you want Tom Kim like if you're saying one major, I'm saying zero for for life I'll do Ludwig Ludwig versus Tom Kim if you want that action. So I got it

So that's what I think that's a pretty good match up there. How are you saying Tom Kim is potentially a fraud and your guy that's going to save the PGA tour is the comp you want to bet because you've been shitting on Ludwig about his age. You've been calling him old. He's old. He's going to do a quick check. He doesn't have that many years. So I feel like you've written for young Tom and T.C.'s written for Ludwig.

It feels like maybe a lifelong. No, I'm not going to let this happen because T.C. is ruined too many guys that I like just because of a tie. I want this smoke. Ludwig's, I love Ludwig. I'm really excited about it, but I don't like seeing T.C. Crow. Not we love you. Why don't you guys join me on this, right?

This is the worst. Get it through better than that. This is the worst. Listen to the better than that. This is the worst. Listen to the TC crow is the worst. I find myself somehow rooting it's Tommy sometimes because I know what a slacks gonna look like. You have hate in your heart, Solid. I do.

I do. No, I'm not put that that's you should be ashamed by that. Let's just I really I want to I'm gonna work on you both separately to get this lifelong back on this. Let's just let's just get this on the record. Solid's taking one. I'm on time. I'm on you both separately to get this lifelong back on this. Let's just get this on the record. Solid's taking one. I'm on Tom Kim. That's right.

Solid's taking one on Tom Kim. I'm taking zero. Where are you guys at? I'm at zero. I'm the only thing is, the only thing I can see him winning is maybe a PGA championship. He wins a player. Or an open.

I can see him winning an open. But I don't think there's, I'm going to go under. And if the players becomes a major, it doesn't count. Correct. I'm getting ahead of that now. Correct. It's fine. TCR on zero. It's a push if you wins a point. That's a half.

That's a half major. Based on last night, we said that's a half major. That's perfect. A push. I push this fair. Okay. That's fair. I just said he's going to win a players. Okay.

That's a push then. That's great. So your bets on push. That's good win a players. That's a push then, that's great. So your bets on push, that's good. All right, Menwoo shot 67 today, Granny shot 74 yesterday, but yeah, I think some apologies are in order there. We literally just covered Menwoo. We're already at the top.

That's good. That's good. H-E. H-E, tough start. The person, the lady, one of the best fans in golf, picking up his ball. Can you imagine going out to a golf tournament and seeing a golf ball? And people were like, oh, like maybe it's the first golf tournament.

She didn't know, like, yeah, like then like find better friends. So to be fair, he hit it over into the fucking heavy or derves. I shall. It is. But you have to think the condiments, you have to think that's what H.E. wanted out of all of this was just to hang out in the hospitality and meet some, meet some, some seasweet folks. He wanted to see the table. I got to get him credit though.

I mean, he had some really bad golf shots today and he just always kind of has that like, I don't want to call it a dumb look, but it's just like a little loose. And he makes room for, you know, he, he makes room for a while. He does. In a big way when he's just like not hitting it well. TC off. That I got a, you know, got it must credit TC. Thank you.

Thank you. That was one of the 65 names he said in the preview pod. And I can't believe that he's 65 shot 29 on the front. You know, exceptional around a golf. He's playing really, really, really well right now. Putter cooperated this week, shipped his butt off. Good stuff there. Yeah, ROM 65. Zander is exactly who we thought he was. I predict. I want to apologize for thinking that this was going to end different this week. I was

kind of floating some stuff on Thursday that maybe this was going gonna stick around. Is US Open record remains pretty impeccable as far as clerically anyways, on paper, but I'll offer a typo to apology for that. We might have to, I gotta think on this a little bit more, but might have to reframe what some of these finishes mean. Somebody like Xander and DJ and Ram are so freaking good. US Open is naturally going to put them around T10. It almost becomes like a 10 thing where it's like, yeah, if you hang around it,

a US open long enough, like, of course, these guys are gonna finish that. Exactly. Like if they play 90 more holes, like I have a feeling ROM's going to be like third, right? But like their fitness level is higher. Yeah, their floors. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With you. So I don't know how to I haven't fully flushed that out, but I think it's just different than, you know, the we might need to get a channel together. TC see which one of these tops tends. I mean, I think Xander at

this point, like with the shirt today, that was one of the worst shirts I've ever seen, especially when paired with those pants. You can't match those with the blue pants. Can we, can we shout out Xander for literally shooting the US open record in round one and not breaking par and any of the other three rounds like that's that's He was he was eight under After 18 holes and he finished minus three That's wild. He he seems to get stuck between like

real like I'm you know listening to like pregame rap, drinking anno explode. I'm going to go and fucking ball out and then get kind of mopey. I've been there, not with the anno explode on the golf course, but I've been there with the anno, I'm going to be super focused. I'm going to be super focused today. I'm going to be intense and then it just goes wrong. When you're in the back. Zander's feet are cramping up

because he's taking so much creatine. Take much jack through you. What the fuck? I mean, you know, so, like, Zander could go to the cleaks tomorrow and like, I'm good, man. Zander goes to the cleaks and can't let goes to the majestic and fuses them with some new blood.

Or air singlish goes to the majestic and fuses them with some new blood. I'm good. Or air singlish goes to the majestic. He better fit. H.E. Call him by his property. Uh, DJ, I feel like DJ, like, could have won this golf. I feel the same way. It didn't look like he made a fucking thing.

I don't know what the numbers say, but it felt like he, every time they flashed to him, they didn't show enough him hitting enough golf shots. Yeah, he was 50 second and putting this week lost strokes on the green. Like if he puts decent, he is very much in the hunt for this. Also he made a freaking quad. He played the second hole like six over for the week and finished seven shots back.

Like that's tough. Yeah. Let's see what else we got. Can I shout out more, Kawa? He was in battle. He definitely battled. He was on the wrong side of the cut line there for a little bit. It was really grinding to get inside the cut line played

really well to finish on Friday and finished overall T 14. Can I shout out the boys? Our custom parlay hit. If not a year, Victor top 20, Ricky top 30 and Lee Harvey Oswald top 40. I mean, it, you know, Victor kind of made a sweat for a little bit, but otherwise we were kind of in the go zone there with the, the dictator and Lee Harvey. It's tough. Bryson doubled, Bryson doubled 17 and it was like a, it was like a betting sweepstakes. He brought so many guys back into like the top 20. You brought like six or seven guys, Shane Lowry, Keith Mitchell, Nick Hardy,

Jordan Smith, it was crazy. So I tough look for Randy Shane Lowry bet this week. I have one I thought played played well, you know, like just didn't necessarily have his A game but contended or didn't contend, but like, you know, solid. Not what I was looking for today out of Riyotaro Nagano. It's tough. Five of them today. but contended or didn't contend, but like, you know, solid.

Not what I was looking for today out of Reutaro Nagano. It's tough, five of them today. Yeah. Is it the Gano or Nagano? They were called a Nagano, but I think the NBC just obsessed the Olympics. Yeah.

Just have it. Teddy McCarthy, good week, T20. Teddy McCarthy, Keith Mitchell, you know, kind of like, you know, trying to punch above the mule ceiling, right? Trying to get, trying to get above that, I think they're, they're, they're getting there. I was, you know what, I want to shout out Bryson. Bryson had some things to say about the golf course that we're pretty positive, actually, and pretty reasonable and logical and a lot more thoughtful, I thought, then say what Matt Fitzpatrick and Hoveland and Keppka

had to say. And I'm gonna push back a little bit, not on the Bryce and stuff, but I didn't think that Brooks's comments were unfair at all. Like, balls funneling to the same spot all over the course. Like, I think that's very fair criticism of this golf course There's like one spots. It's like three was one but like I think on you're getting that on eight is happening You're getting that on a team like there's some spots where it's just like everybody's gonna end up in the same spot

18's like the flattest fairway on the down to the right where if you he I there's certain collection areas that like make a good shot. But then Brooks, but then Brooks somehow loves Aaron Hills and it's like, Hey, man, like Aaron Hills has some of the same shit going on. Yeah. Did anybody ever ask him if he liked Aaron Hills though? He might just won the golf tournament there. The quotes were literally like been calling post them and said, like, yeah, I like this play.

He basically, yes, said the exact same thing. It's a fair you you could play some of the quotes from this show from this week. And they'd probably be a direct opposition to a lot of stuff we said tonight. So I'm not, I'm not going to hold it again. Oh, see here. Other stuff. Also, also, let's say we're braiding, we're grading Bryce on a curve at this point. It's really a total poop in the pot. I'm just, but I want to, hold on, I want to go back though briefly. I'm cool with the players being critical of the course. If they disagree, they don't like blind shots and stuff like they should be able to say that not be like that's stupid, you know,

like they're not like, you know, in the woke architecture school. I don't like blind shots. Like, yeah, get the fuck out. I think it gets to a point where it's unfair or the shots or holes don't have good architectural intent and shot value. I agree, but I did not feel a lot of that this week. Aside from, if you wanna talk about the balls funneling into three and whatever on eight, those were not great shots for professionals,

but two of the T-Shots being a little bit funky and funneling the same place does not change the fact that it just took really, really good golf shots over four days and there was no, there was nothing unfair about any of it. There was nothing that got too firm, nothing that got silly. And so I don't know if I accept the critiques as much. I've, we've seen this at US Opens for the last however many years. Whenever they go to a new venue, guys bitch, right?

Chambers Bay. Maybe there was some good reason to bitch about the green quality, but like that was obviously a very good golf course that ended up being a very interesting major championship. Aaron Hills, they didn't get the conditions they want, but everyone just laid waste. Like as soon as they go somewhere new, guys just will go out of their way to lay waste on something. You know what, it's funny to me, all the people that are that are the Bel Rief stands, the Bel Rief and the Torrey Pine stands that are like, you want to look at this leaderboard. You know, like, what a great golf course

that could produce this leaderboard. Where are all those people? That's like, happen for LA, like every US Open. Yeah. It's disgusting. Awesome. I'm Clark one, they might have little ammo. Yeah, that's true.

I think Bryson's on the verge of playing some decent golf, like some, like, very good golf. Like, I could see Bryson contending at Hoi Lake. Yep. I totally agree. Yeah. Let's see here. Saehith was expected more out of him T27. Justin Saha kind of went back into the weekend. Yeah. We shot it to the studio. We went and went and qualifying. Didn't have to do that. You know, like, you know, get out of it. You know, things of that nature. Yeah. qualifying didn't have to do that. You know, like good outed, you know, things of that nature. Yeah.

Um, what else we got? Yeah, I walko expected more out of him this weekend. Decky kind of faded today, 75. Sam Bennett came back today for 71. I'll shout that out. Gordon, Gordon Sargent, we haven't talked about the, the his put on 18 that popped back out of the cup. That was a tough look.

Apparently the the guys in the group head or whatever when they pulled the cup out pulled the pen out. It pulled the cup liner up And he just got totally Joe daily, which was really that's classless. Yeah. I have no idea how we get to David Pooge from what looks like Puig. Now it's a Pooge. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how we get to that from week is what I was getting what I was ready to say there. But apparently that's how you say it, which has been news to me this week. I'm not think so. Can I wrap you there? Horses. No, you're T43. Yeah, I mean, Billy Horses, I want to shout him out again, making the cut, playing, playing adequately well in the US open weeks after that. I thought it was, was big time.

And then, um, otherwise, yes, Solomon shot 74 today. That better than Solomon shot 88. Yeah. Um, let's get to our Yeti coldest moment of the week. Uh, the Rambler 18 ounce bottle is your must-have cold holding drinking vessel that should be immediately added to your bag. This tough bottle is double wall vacuum insulated to keep your water ice cold until the last sip. Dishwasher safe for easy cleaning. Come standard with the chug cap lid. The shatter resistant drinking spout that allows for easy pulls on the go.

This is not part of the copy because I don't know if he's officially sponsored by them, but I did appreciate the emotional support yet. He that Ricky was insisted on carrying around. Could he use a little more of that today? But I'm going to go to you. First, T.C. What is your yeti coldest moment of the week? Yeah. Listen, it was, I would say it was probably Sergio, you know, saying this place. Just want, just need one. Should be, you know, bom this place. Just want just need one should be, uh, uh, you know, bombed or whatever knob kidding. So you didn't say that. It was, uh, get this off the screen.

All right. It was it was Windham Clark's drive on 18. Like that, that made me shiver. It made me feel so cold inside. I felt like the game had died a little bit that that ball didn't spin off. Probably in true. Any fashion made you made you feel hot inside too. You know, kind of goes both ways. Yeah, it was, yeah, it was more of like a thermos. Yeah, me. Yeah. Yeah, that was just just egregious, just just so upsetting. So.

Pie Man, what's your coldest moment of the week? You know what I had? I was going to go, you know, a lot of ways we can go. I was going to reach across the aisle, extend an olive branch to Fleetwood shooting 63 in the final round. I was going to talk about that. I'm not going to talk about that. Instead, I'm going to go with this random, for whatever reason, I check my DMs on Twitter right before I,

we went on here, and there's a guy named Ken Fowlerler who has sent me a couple of DMs that I had just seen. One was, he was talking about unstable compounds and sent me a photo of the branch to Vidya's compounds, which is pretty cold. But then this next one that he sent me today said quote, my nine year old just told me this quote, after the slime cup, he just hasn't been good about JT. Which I thought was an unbelievable quote from my.

Who won the slime cup? I think JT did. Don't spoil it. It's not my DVR. It's always waiting until his daughter's gonna be like for to watch the slime. Exactly. But yeah, I'm gonna give that to Ken Fowler's daughter and I'm the quote about

JT in the slime cup. Yeah, he just hasn't been a good ball strike. Yeah, he's just a ball strike. He's fallen off since the slime cup. Neil, you weren't scheduled to be on the show tonight. Yeah, I got one. Okay. It's it's Wyndham Clark's three-wood into the 14th hole mainly because I've been in this Like exact position down on my bagging for the ball like please, please, please, please And it was just very cold of him to hit it into like a ten yard wide Entrance to that green a perfect shot a perfect shot at after he waited 10 minutes to hit it whereas you know shot at after he waited 10 minutes to hit it, whereas, you know, this, this scene that we're looking at is the ball going out of bounds for me. So I thought that was just cold blooded

to, for me to, to see that for him to be praying for it to be a perfect shot. But that moment is like, that's where you won the golf tournament. So for me, that was the coldest moment of the week. Solid would buy you mine. I was hesitant to go with this one because I knew we would cover this earlier in the show. Then we, of course of course have already touched on this a little bit. But the coldest moment today was by far TC tweeting out earlier that the can't they was going to have a stolen valor yellow Wikipedia square on his on his result this week before Tommy Fleetwood went out and shot 63 to get that. This is yesterday wasn't, wasn't it? Gross yellow, even better.

Even better. Gross yellow square that he gets on his Wikipedia page. And top five, maybe. For backdoring, the pressure free, top five. You get orange for top five. On the soft, soft golf course that he got to play this morning. So that was called T-C. I love that.

I was really fun. So guys, I think some of the hospitality from LACC towards towards the world of golf trying to buy up all the tickets. That could be the coldest moment of the week. Could be the coldest moment of the year in golf. Do you guys like I don't even I don't even begrudge LACC for doing it. Whatever like us. J like don't accede to that stuff. Look he sees our GC's trying to protect his invite back here. That's exactly what you know. I'm I'm good. It's tough though.

Like if I'm if I'm won and co like I guess you know this. Yeah, when you take over the deal, but like this wasn't your decision to do this. And you have to own all the. They're talking about 2039 right now. It's it's on their website. Like is it announced official? I saw some tweets today that like you don't sign the contract officially until five years out from the date. So I think the club is already voted on it, though.

Yeah, but I mean, I know it's listed on the USGA site as it's going, US opens going in 2039 to LACC, and it's like, I think some things would, I don't know, I'm of two minds of this. Like, there's enough there to say this shouldn't happen again, mostly from a vibe perspective and a lot of things we've covered, but also to say like, do they learn lessons out of this experience and address them in 16 years? And also, I would say there's very little chance that the golf ball and technology goes the same distance at 16 years from now as it goes right now. And like we haven't really talked about that probably enough this week is I don't know

what, I don't know what more evidence you needed than Rory on a 590 yard par 5 hitting eight and nine irons in over the weekend just be like, we might have an issue here guys and it's really on display on a golf course like this. And so, yeah, I mean, it's going to Marion before it goes back to LACC, like we know the golf balls changing or something equipment's going to change between now and then plus, plus we may be watching it in the metaverse. Who's going to say pro golf might not exist either. You know, we're going to.

Yeah, or like we'll be watching it with VR and all sorts of stuff. We don't need it. We see those Apple goggles, whatever those are. Neil, I need a debrief. I'm those from your tech buddies for people that don't have in front of them. Future US open venues. Next year year we go to Pinehurst, then we go to Oakmont, and then Chinacock in 26, Pebble in 27, back to Wingfoot in 28.

29 is open, as, no, I'm sorry, Pinehurst back to in 29, so that's five years between Pinehurst, US Open's, and then 2030 and 2050 is Marion. And then 2031 is... Basically, I mean, we can report this news now, right? Like it's going to Riviera. I think that is what, that's the worst kept secret maybe in golf right now.

I mean, at some point, like, when's it going back to Brooklyn? I felt like that was a rousing success. I thought it was good. That was fine. I thought it was fine. I still think like, especially after this week, I feel like we need to be prioritizing venues you can get a lot more people in. And Brookline had an attendance number issue as well.

Had a better vibe than this. They showed up man. They did, but literally number wise, was like that was a concern last year. They had some ticket issues. 40,000 versus 50,000 or 30,000. Like this was like, it was 20% of what the normal was. Get a lot of people at Aaron Hills, a lot of space out there. Yeah.

We'll see about that. But I don't know if it's happening. But, you know, Brookline was 30,000 on the weekend last year, and this was LACC was 23,000 did a quick. Like, Ocmont basically can host up to 50,000 fans a day. So I think that's a really fair take. If you are a fan of the US open to be like, Hey, it's got to go to these big ass venues that can host more people. Like the vibe is important. It really is like there should have been a raucous roar when wind him hit that shot into 14. Like that. It just is a thing that definitely translates to TV.

And then 32. I don't think is announced and we don't need to go this far. But then 33 goes back to Okman and what? And 32 goes to Boston then for sure. Hey, was there some running that was supposed to happen? There was. It's the end of the show. That's how we get into the show.

Yeah, I think it's the show. Hey, real quick. I want to, I do want to shout out the USGA for, I think they're getting, I don't know, I like where they're headed overall. I think there's a big mast to clean up after the Mike Davis and the Craig Anis, Eras, and I think that there's some, I don't know, I think they've done a really good job from a calm standpoint overall, personally speaking

as someone who does stuff on social, I really appreciate that they bring out really good photographers, like Jeff Marsh and Matt Han and those guys and let them do their work, the stills on their Instagram are out of this world. They're awesome. And they let us an all media type show up and do whatever you want over those couple of days.

And the media dot, just like everything is just met with a smile and met with like, hey, how can we help you tell the story of our tournament? And it's appreciated. And, you know, I think there's like logistics stuff and all that that's probably the far different team and probably, you know, not even related to any of this, but I do think just from a, like, I've noticed a big sea change with the USDA over the last two or three years overall. So I just want to say thank you. It's freaking fun to go out, even just for practice rounds and go hang out and explore the golf

courses. I had a great time this week and can't wait for pioneers next year. And I won't be able to go to US women's open, but a bunch of us are going to be going to out to Pebble Beach for the US women's open, which is gonna be extremely highly anticipated and they've helped a ton with we'll have YouTube videos up and God, that's gonna be a good video. Really good video. I mean, we got the hey in the barn.

I think we can talk about what that video is. We've got for people love the big guy. That's no secret. People love Big Randy. What if I told you we're watching every shot of Big Randy playing Pebble Beach coming soon to the YouTube channel in 30 mile an hour wins. Andy, what if I told you we're watching every shot of big Randy play in Pebble Beach coming coming soon to the YouTube channel in 30 mile an hour wins. The front nine with this show we as well. It's your top.

Yeah, it was everything. Oh yeah, I should mention Michelle. We also plays with the front nine too, which is the back nine actually we started on 10. But any hamster dams we want to want to close the book on for the week. Well, you guys get as fired up as me. I mean, it was, it's brutal. I already got my shots in. I'm beaten down to see. Yeah, like it's, it's, it's a joke. I mean, we can roll in the audio from last year here, say everybody some time. It is bad and, and depraved and I'm with you, but it's just, you know, but then like they do, they give you, they give the hostage a water bottle

at the end with the Rolex hour long commercial free. I don't think they do a lot with the commercial free art, but it does help a lot. I mean, it's really that simple. It's like, oh, man, I'm really enjoying watching the golf now. What changed? I haven't been interrupted and beat over the head with Ramon South house and fucking, you know, how important it is to connect and fucking house ads. Yes, it's tough. And you just deserves a little bit of heat for that too. They're beating me over the head with a bunch of USDA bullshit that I don't that I've heard and I'm probably not people, the person need to be telling that to. It doesn't, doesn't really make you want to rep the tag, Neil. It doesn't at all. It doesn't.

I will say, the only thing I'll say is, I had the ass sweat going for those final few holes. Like, they delivered on the very end. Yeah, it was, which is like the bare minimum of what, like their biggest change should do. They did. They did at the end. It's like a begrudging, you do got to hand it to them.

So, like, it was really tough. And if you're a casual, that only tunes in towards the end of the rounds, you're probably not feeling the same pain that we felt like watching so much golf this week. But if you are like a die hard and you're a media person that tries to cover this tournament, it's really, really hard.

TCLT off on a couple of things for you. One, playing through is shoved onto us as some type of innovation. Now it's just become another way that they can, I think it's more abrasive than just a commercial bike. I actually hate it because I just hate, it almost like stresses me out. It's a sensory blitzkrieg and I don't like it at all.

And they use it a lot as an excuse, not to like replace a commercial break but to play more commercial. So that bothers me. And when you're watching it on premium cock, it doesn't even show playing through. What I would really like to see is, well, it's almost like there's,

and I would love to know the economics of this, but they sometimes like deloitte or somebody will show up on the leaderboard, you know, or like the MX exclusive cam on 15. I feel like they tossed those into these deals, like just like, oh yeah, hey, you know, like a little like a little kicker to, you know, sign the deal. I think they could do a ton of heavy lifting

with scoreboard sponsorships and on screen stuff and not be like it would be better for the company and for the viewer if there was just more like, yo, just show me the fucking logo. I don't need to see Ramon Salis and how important it is to connect a hundred times. Like, you're not even showing me new commercials. You're actually doing, it's a detriment to the brand.

Like it's a, it's a, it's a bad model overall with the breaks. And I'll stop, like they, they, everything's always just gonna be an add on. Like the exactly what you said is their idea to do that. They're going to do that and then also just add it on. And that's what's something that's like, I think they, they need to sit down and have a conversation.

And I think there has to be some CMOs that are like, yo, this is bad. Like if I was a CEO one of these companies, I would be annoyed with my own fucking commercials. Like if I was the work day CEO, I'd be embarrassed for the rock star. Rock star? Like it's, it's a joke. It's like, yo, you'd be embarrassed for the rock star. Rock star? Like, it's a joke.

It's like, yo, you greenlit that. Like, who's my CMO? Like, let's do something a little bit less abrasive. The only thing. And a little more subtle. Like, everybody knows your sponsor in the golf tournament. Like, can we get less intrusive? You know, yes, I know I'm preaching to the choir and this is a, you know, not going to

happen. But I just think that those scoreboard sponsorships and getting more like, you know, stuff that slides in on the screen as an overlay is going to accomplish 80% of what you need to. And you don't have to hit me with this playing through bullshit. So that's just that's the complaint. I'm sponsoring a whole like have have. Yes.

Orpropartners. Pain the fairways. I don't give a fuck like I really don't just just stick with the golf for a while. That's all. And then on the flip side, like I said earlier, I thought NBC last hour was was good. Riveting factory TV. And I thought they covered they had some good graphics on six and eight. And I thought that the broadcast team did a good job showing me those holes and why they're unique. They could have been better with other holes, but that was pretty good.

I thought the on-course both smiley and no-toe were good. So those would be my thoughts. I think the whole production is just stale. The, you know, they've tried to add in some talent. I miss Roger and Gary. A little bit. The camera angle stink. I even worried that Tommy Roy is completely washed.

And that sucks because he's a legend of the game and of TV production and like they had a drone out there. I don't think we watched that until 18, you know what I mean? Like there's a 13. And when there's no, the first thing they show was 13 on a drone which had no fans around it like they're all these they got all these holes with no trackers on with no Shot tracer on them. They got it's just it's devoid of any any sort of Inventiveness or soul or evolution. I am excited to watch I am excited to watch

Gentlemen very excited to watch hump day though on NBC. I will take a big D honestly Based on a true story kind of look like a cool show like I might check it on out. I'm not gonna lie I was going ah what is it looks like? It's like it's like tuned down. It's like a I basically it's like they show about a bird of podcast Come on. I mean, I got I got waterboarded by the show. We're not doing this. It tends Saturday night football, which looks admittedly awful.

There were so many commercials Thursday, Friday, that the YouTube TV, like I think when they bring the local network ads in, you get the Zen videos. I've never seen the Zen videos last that man. They were going off like 30, 45 seconds. It was just like a flowing brook, a stream. I was like, this is, this is not a good sign that YouTube TV came and filled the fucking inventory. There's so much room for it. I mean, Rory wasn't playing through on all sorts of different like key shots. Got Gotta stick to that schedule, TC. Man, I kept spreadsheets all weekend.

Gentlemen, in total of golf this weekend, I watched over nine hours of commercials. What was your favorite commercial in your lease? It's an honor. It's an honor. Up to nine hours of commercials. And I get it, I watch a lot of golf. I watched almost every single day, Thursday through today,

nine hours of ads. That's fucking crazy. Now I will say the weekend, you're right, Neil, it did get a little bit better. They brought it down instead of 19 and a half, almost 20 to right around 10 minutes, but they get you when they bring up a ton of on-screen stuff through.

Playing through, what I thought when they first introduction was just like, oh, this is just a temporary solution that like we're gonna make this, so it takes up like this little corner of the screen and you're still gonna be able to focus, but it's not, like continues to creep and creep and creep and creep. The planes, the audio this week are ridiculous.

Now this is the same network that we started this year with a commercial free hour, I think, thanks to our old OEM partner in Hawaii. It's the same people that were bringing... That was golf channel, not NBC, and that's important distinction. Cost wise. Very true. Cost wise. Okay.

But I'll say this, the drones, like we saw this, we saw like chasing drones and stuff like that, all over the place, all of winter and spring. Where's everything at? Because T.C. has been harping on the camera, he goes out, just washed everything out. I don't think, again, I didn't play this golf course, but I don't think this golf course was like awesome to see him,

not like chomping at the bit to go see it from what I saw on TV and it just sucks because you guys have the complete opposite thing and it just doesn't make sense to me. And if we're watching it on TV, isn't that something that's supposed to shine through? Yeah. It's the whole reason of having it through.

I think I'm defending them weirdly, but what did was additive of like having a O and Jim Galger Jr on Sunday and Saturday go out early and like highlight some features right and slow down and like show it off. Again, it just kind of felt like the firmness never delivered on a lot of the stuff that we thought was going to matter a lot didn't end up mattering a lot. That's that's again, why am I defending NBC this hard? But it's just total apathy. I mean, Aunt Molly, Greg nap or Tom nap, you know,

Pete Avocca, it's disgusting. They're spitting in the face of golf fans everywhere. And the more you want to get up and watch the golf early on, the more punished you get, the more jaded you are by the time the leaders actually tee off. Also, guys, I think primetime golf might be a little bit overrated. They at least on the weekend. I said this and you guys all ignored it. I understand that I felt like the the complete outsider here, but it's awesome. I'm like a Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday night when NCAA's or

US Amazon, but like and it's cool on Thursday or like like a Thursday or but Friday or Saturday night, like, I don't, I don't know. It's just, I'm worn out the next day. Well, they pushed it like past prime time. I mean, yesterday was ridiculous. It ended at like 1130. It's like, that was so unnecessary. Yeah. Yeah. Anything else you guys want to get in before I start, if you missed the beginning of the show, I, I, OTC bet. Yeah, we got, I got the best bet to pay. We got a shout out at the end of a choir.

Otherwise, all the Irish people are going to be pissed. She won the Myr. You be part of your soapbox. Today, yeah. So, how is this going to work as I OTC a bet because I made a dumb bet last night? I have to, he's got a soapbox that he can end the show however he wants. And I can, the only way I can cut him off is by running into his garage from my studio which is just down the street. We do we will have a live cam that will be

following the run if you want to follow it live but that is a debt I'm going to be paying off here. If we're ready to start that I can start the process unless you have anything else you want to discuss tonight. No I'm going to start the clock. I want to see how people No, I'm going to start the clock. I want to see how people were asking it over under two minutes. What do you guys think? I'll go make that go right at two. Yeah, that's a great over under.

Don't start it yet. I'll tell you when I just got to get my my headphones going here. I got to flip over. It's a stretch real quick. It's hard me having the headphones. What do you cook on? Yeah, I'm going to go back to some of the soul of the game stuff, the spirit of the rules. I think that's that was up there.

Cody, you got the you got the stopwatch. Yes, sir. Okay. You know, first of all, I want to say Ricky Castillo winning on the corn fairy toward today was outrageous. I did not see that one coming. He beat ADDC by, you know, in a playoff there, did not see that coming.

That was wild. He's been eating up the prestige worldwide PGA tour you rankings all year. Is he still a, still doing it? It's, it's solid cheating already here. Yeah, I think number one, he never, what do you, what do you, I'm not gonna dox my location. All right, so I'm gonna turn the cam off. I'm gonna go outside and I'm gonna start the sprint. Okay'm not gonna dox my location. All right. So I'm gonna turn the cam off.

I'm gonna go outside and I'm gonna start the sprint. Okay. You get dox my location. What do you know? Are you hitting start? Are we hitting start? No, I'll tell you when. I'll come right back and I'll be ready to go. Okay. Tron, do we know if Ricky had the choker on still? Or is that I think he did. I think he did. I don't know. I didn't, it wasn't televised. It was a wish top open. Great tournament. Shout out to people of wish a tall, the military industrial complex, the aerospace industry there. They have a great

airport there. That's great. But yeah, I just did not see him him winning. I didn't have that in my bingo cards. I can confirm he did have the the pukashell show. Okay. Great trophy there in which talk to the big propellers. Yeah, yeah. I do I think we need to talk about it early and often. I think Ludwig's gonna win this week. Sure. I just tried it at the travelers. Yeah, it's better under the umbrella, baby. You guys, you know the blue one three for five this week. I don't know if anybody's checking that out, but that that happened. Yeah, we had some parlay's hit. We like that. Congrats, man. Yeah, it's cool. I, Sally, you ready?

I am ready. I will begin. You can start the clock. I'm going under two minutes. Under two minutes. Okay. I'm going under two. Yeah. I'll take the over just to be fine. Yeah, I think Ludwig is absolutely like primed. He's going to be fresh. Everybody's flying him from the West Coast after a ballbuster review is open. Or it's just, you know, it's kind of a big walk. I think Ludwig is going to come. Talk to me about the spirit of the game stuff. Yeah, I think the I mean honestly like I

The Scotty thing like Scotty keeps finding a way to exert like maximum pressure on the rules and just squeeze every last drop out of the rules It's tough. It's really tough It's all I how we doing bud So it's like it's like a walk and talk with. Struggle. It's struggle. It's a struggle.

Why not? Why not you? The lock and talk is blocky. Guys, blocky was was was was all over the socials again today. Uh, you know, kids, kids looking up to them, all that. Um, try to wait a minute. You think he's over the halfway point? I think he probably, I think he's probably at the beginning of my street here.

It's good to be on the people. The electric radio listening to this. Yeah. T.C. Who's your biggest loser of the week? My biggest L.E.C. Who's the L7 weeny of the week. I think it's your biggest loser of the week. I think it's my biggest, who's the L7 weeny of the week? The biggest loser of the week. That's a good question. I hate to say it because it bums me out to say it. But you have to. I think it's probably max.

I think I'm really bummed that Max missed the cut. Yeah. And like, like, I'm not saying that it's like a loser in the sense of like, he's a loser. It's not like, it's getting late early here. One, like, one 50. 10 seconds. Come on, sorry.

I'm on, sorry. I don't know. It doesn't look like he's very slow. I don't know what he's doing. He's really slow. Sorry. It's not going well. It's not going well. You're walking.

Many people are saying, it's not going well. You're walking. Many people are saying, it's not going well. It's not going well. You're walking. Many people are saying it's all big and slurs are the week. What a bad bet. JV might be the biggest loser of the week. The pounds are dripping off. Yeah. It's crazy.

What else, Neil? What are the questions we got for you? Well, let's talk. I could drag a few people. I mean, JT, what shot 81? Like, what's what were you concerned? I mean, obviously JT didn't think it was too easy, right? Oh, here he is. Hey, man. Oh my god. He's you. Please like it's like Jim Roman and uh, go on me Chris one more time. That's wild here. That's what a Florida man. God of

whoops. I'm just not like a troll. You want to have to run shout out to Steve Miller It's common. I love this cops. Well, it's the number get on the ground Do it a half minutes doing a half a cup. All right. We're gonna have run it for 40 minutes. Are you okay? McClure was a bad call. I think this will be a good running one You guys should make this bet every major and and one of you has to run to the other's house. Every major start of him doesn't win. Sally's got to run. Hit the track, Sally.

It's another team. Somebody send this out. All right. Well, listen. It's a play. It's out. I don't know what that means. Why don't you play us out?

All right. It's a line. Bangalang. And with that, we're going to conclude the 2023 US I don't know what that means. Steve, why don't you play us out? All in the line, link, bang, bang. And with that, we're going to conclude the 2023 US Open TC congrats on your gold medal, beating solid. And Cody, thanks for all the, all you did on the ones and twos KVV, shout out to all the work you did on the ground. Neil, thanks for popping in today.

We will, we'll see you guys. I don't know when the next live show is. We are back this week, this Friday for the KPMG women's PGA championship of the lower course at Balta Stroll right here on this YouTube channel. And I'm pumped. Guys, I think that's, I think that's it. We'll talk to you then. Chairs can grasp the wind him Clark. Ludwig's coming, y'all. He's coming. Anybody want to help clear up the block party? Feel free to stop by. Just grab something on your way out.