No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 7: Shane Ryan

Episode Date: August 29, 2014

Grantland golf writer Shane Ryan joined Soly to discuss the Ryder Cup, how he got started at Grantland, how No Laying Up got started, and a bevy of other topics, including some questions from the... The post NLU Podcast: Episode 7 (Shane Ryan) appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to give you the right club. Be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different? battle the most! Hi, welcome back everybody to the No Way Not Podcast. We have another new guest for you this time. First time on the podcast

It's Grant Win Golf Rider Shane Ryan. Shane, would you say you are in... Alright, so we're recording this on Thursday August 28th. Are you in Ryder Cut mode or are you in FedEx Cut Playout mode? Yeah, I'm totally, totally in Ryder Cut mode, man. I mean, I wish the TGA tour people have been so nice to me, so I wish I could say FedEx Cut. Well, I'm doing a great one piece that's coming up tomorrow, which is Friday. It's about what's going to happen on Tuesday

with the Ryder Cut fix. And one thing I was thinking is we don't have a draft, we don't have a straight deadline, we don't care if a golfer comes out early from college, we don't have any tire mists because dudes play on the senior tour forever. Tuesday is our only off-the-courge day, like captain's fix, or it basically, that's our one like you know like offseason or off the court thing that we can get psyched about that's a great point i've never thought of that well we actually we had an idea back in

bring for that when the match play future was very much up in the air uh... we wrote a thing which probably i'm seeing about how the players should have a sort of draft for the center match player whatever that that was the new sponsors the match play basically you get seated uh... one through sixty four and i won't go into the details of a book it would be televised on the golf channel

you tune in on a Tuesday night so all the during practice you wouldn't know who you're playing and you essentially got to choose your playing partner for the how much how much more interesting with the match play be if that was the case and you got to call out individual opponents. See I mean that is such a good idea and I've heard a modified version of that for the Ryder Cup where one captain is like okay number one we're leading with Phil Nicholson and the hero captain goes all right turn up a bigger doobish on against him and we're gonna go number Mickelson and the hero captain goes, all right, Pernum, pick a two-person on against him and we're going to go number two, Justin Rose,

and then the American captain comes back and says, I mean, it would be like, yeah, I'm like the same thing for your essential idea. It's so good. And it's like, why wouldn't they do that? I guess it would be so much fun. Everybody would tune in. It would be great. Let's fill the show with just a binder full of data on every player he'd be in bones if they're crunching numbers as they go through the draft and whatnot like that just like the fancy football guy you play with to take the way too seriously it would be infinitely hilarious like there's no way I would miss that

like if they cover that live on the top show well it'd be so much drama too like like nobody likes Patrick Green show, would everyone feed him or would somebody just avoid him till the end, would everybody avoid bolter? You know, things like that, when it was on this turn, like, who would eat that? It would be awesome.

Yeah, well, they do your idea for the matchups. They do do that for the present cup, right? They sit down in front of each other and cut out like that there's not really a clock and well probably i remember for a couple put the name up on the board and nickpriced a match that the nickpriced could have been up on the board for a couple matches i don't know why they wouldn't do that with the writer company that would add a

whole new level strategy especially come Sunday i will say that that you i think i would like that and i think in the end i would choose that if I had the option, but there's something cool too about the blind selection of like, because it lends more strategy to the captain fish, because they can think like, all right, who are they going to put out first? If they're going to put their top gun, do I want to waste somebody? Do I want to put, I don't know who the waste ticket at the US can you be, like, Zach Johnson, or someone throw him out there, and throw my top guns out at the end.

So if it's kind of fun to see how that lines up when they do that, too. Yeah, but at the same time, I think it was my friend Adam Carson, you know, I were talking this week with our Tigers never had a good Sunday single match. He always gets paired up with Andrew Coltard, or or yes for Parnafek or something on Sunday and it's just it's amazing how it's all fallen out like the best match I remember him having was I think it was did he play Ernie L's in that president's cup where they tied or just in the playoffs that he just got win played like in 30 L's decide to present cup like the O3 president's cup or something like that. Yeah I'm not a president's got a call and i know no one really is a lot of

i think that's the best that's the best topic of discussion especially when we're a month away so he's not been interested in question of like the the team world and the president's got to know worse than team europe i mean there's a ton of great players there's no reason the president's cup shouldn't be as awesome as the writer cup except for I guess like history tradition right I mean that's the only thing that's the only difference yeah it's just a rivalry isn't there I mean it's not first it's not been

competitive international it's not made it nearly competitive enough in the short history that the event been there and it's just a cheap play off the writer cup I mean it is just I mean it's the writer cup I can't explainder Cup. I mean it is just I mean it's the Ryder Cup I can't explain how excited I get for it. I mean I told myself I've been telling myself all year about how big a favorite year of it and it's some there's I haven't picked a day yet but I'm going to flip the switch where I stop being so negative and I just turn my attention towards rooting for the United States and the more I look, though, the further I keep pushing that day back, I just can't picture it.

I picture it a little bit better than I did maybe a month ago, but just in looking at just every time I pull up that European team page and the US team page and look at how the US guys are playing. Great, it's been better. But I just can't be confident, you know, in a team that's bringing bubble lots and over as the number one player on Foreign Soil in the guy can't hit confident you know in a team that's bringing bubble lots and over as a number one player on foreign soil in the guy can't hit a shot without being distracted on a friday

at richwood country club in a phatic's cup of that like there's going to be an international incident bubble lots this uh... here's the thing now yeah i totally agree now bubble lots and it's not going to understand europe at all he's going to embarrass himself somehow but the thing i love love about this US game is it's just such a group of oddball. So you've got a lot of, it was like, the world's biggest narcissist.

Like, it's like a total head case. Then you guys, you know, you've got to be Walker. It's kind of like the snow, it's like a laboratory in the Southwest where he takes photos of stars and he's been in National Geographic. You have to like, is that charles and crazy like extreme Christian, right? Like the ultimate like Christian dude. Patrick Reed, who nobody likes, so, Koocher, Koocher, who everybody likes. And we're only going to, you know, Nicholson who's like kind of his own weird breed of lunatic.

Like this is like the offsite site the dirty dust or something like I am so excited for this chin because I think against all odds that I think they have a chance to pull through and my only hope my only hope is that Tom Watson keeps the weirdness going with his cap and fix. I hope you guys can go with like Shnettburn's trigger or whoever I hope it's like Brendan Todd and Hunter Mayan and chicken Bradley. So we have an OCT guy in there, you know, a guy in Brendan Todd who looks like he's a computer programmer. I hope it's a lot. I love this team.

It's weird and it's possible. And he looks out. Jim's here too. There's a whole nother wrinkle in there. I mean, it is. There's no camaraderie between any of these guys on this team. We take a nice and I mean, yes, the chalkiest subject. And everyone has their own opinion here. But what do you think are the three going to be the three captains take?

Who would you take if you were Tom Watson? Yeah, okay. So this is the subject of the destroyer running grand tomorrow. So, although by the time it comes out. So, okay, you can see cream. Although by the time it comes out, it probably won't be a big preview. But I think Hunter Ming is a great back and I think he's going to pick him. I think Hunter, yeah, Hunter, we all know we had the bad little chip against Grand McDowell that lost the Ryder Cup in 2010.

But this guy also had a 11 match win streak at the Accenture match play and I think it was like 169 holes that he had never trailed in a match play match in that tournament. He's a tough dude. I mean, he's a guy who I think will win a major someday. He's James, he's James really great right now and he's going to have a lot to play for. So I would pick him, I think he's going to pick him. I think unless he misses a cut this week, we'll probably see Kim Bradley, because Kim Bradley cares so well with Phil McElfinn, at least he's been dying and he did.

And he's a good platter and everything like that. I think Bradley is going to pick him and it's a good pick. The third pick is a really curious one. He could go to Schneider, which I think would be a terrible pick. Web Simpson would be kind of the safe pick because we know he can play under pressure because he's got a major championship. His form is okay right now. And you've got experience in the sense that he played one other Ryder Cup. I guess it could go to Stricker. I feel like that's becoming less and less of a possibility, so I don't think that's actually going to happen. My guy and the guy I would pick is Brendan Todd. I don't think Watson is going to pick him, but the dude can straight pilot and ship. I mean, he's among the best in the tour at those two things, which is so valuable. And you know, he does not have any experience. Everyone in major, he won his first tournament this year.

Never been in a Ryder Cup, but yeah, I would love to see him pick Brennan Todd. I would guess Web Simpson though, is going to be watching the third pick. I'm going to surprise you. I am completely on board for Brennan Todd. I was so relieved that he hears somebody else say that. I've been actually saying that since about. When he finished top 10 at the memorial, it's when I was fully convinced.

When he won the Byron Nelson, I specifically wrote about like, here we go, another crazy random winner on the PGA tour this year, another Steven Boatage. I don't think we're looking at the next superstar. And he actually surprised me more after he won. He finished type of fifth at Colonial, type of eighth Memorial, 70th at U.S. Open, and then at top five at the Quicken Loan and the Green Briar after that. I was like, I was sold on Brennan Todd. So I'm going a little bit since then.

I guess really since mid-July I've got my good page now. He's not finished better than time for 39th since July. But it's another question I have that I wouldn't have asked probably two weeks ago, but I just started reading Mark Brody's book every shot count. Have you read it all? Have you heard about it? No, I've heard about it. I've not read it yet.

So the crux of it is that, well first of all, I just realized how dumb a lot of the things I say about the game is golf art. And I always said, not the writer, but the realized how dumb a lot of the things I'd say about the game are going to go off fire. And I always said, not the writer cup, but the man you need guys to make putt. And I'm literally 25% into the book, and I'll never say that again, because it doesn't make a lot of sense. And I think especially in the writer cup, it's kind of a cliche. Everyone has their own opinion on what the specialty is for a writer cup playerouple like oh you need somebody with length or all you need to make putt but I think as anything the writer-couple is the best example of

somebody that you need a good all-around game because you can't hide any you can't hide any part of your game in alternate shot like you can't you know I mean so what is there a typical prototype player that you look for that you know like so we're talking about is there a typical prototype player that you look for that you know i think i'm a brand-new and i think i do think experienced matters on international uh... writer cup is there anything in particular that you are new skill in particular that you favor i guess

well let me say that experience first because it was like that's a little bit of a pet chip of mine you look at guide show twenty twelve dav, Davis was at four captain's thick. And it was Jim Syracch, each striker, Brent Snetaker, and I think Dustin Johnson was the four captain's thick. Now, the nation of young and old Stetaker at that point and not played one in Dustin Johnson's experience.

But it's two quote unquote experienced guys, where Jim Syracch sees Shricker. However, at that point, the US had lost six of eight Ryder cups. So I think at some point we have to say, what does that mean? What does experience mean? In the case of the US, it is completely negative experience. So it's like, it's terrible records.

Like Jim Syrac's record is really abysmal. I think he's one 33% of his matches in Ryder Cup, which is real bad. Strictor the same way. You know, Fiery we know kind of he won a major in 2003 he won the US Open but he kind of struggles under pressure. We know Strictor really struggles under pressure. So it's like well what does experience mean? So for the European, experience means impolter, Lee Westwood, Sergio, guys who have really, really positive experience in the rider belt. And that's great.

But for the US experience, I don't think it's necessarily a plus. And so, yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Well, no, no, I mean, I just think that's like, it's something that I keep hearing from the media. And it's like, yeah, experience is good. But only, I feel like it's only as good

as the actual experience is. People are, feel like it's only as good as the actual experiences people are you know people are treating Steve Sticker right now like this like icon of the game and it's like wait a second like like hold up a second you know or Brent Smediker like all Smediker's guy experience well no he like he blew a force and smashed it in 2012 and every time this guy's been in contention in a major, he shoots 80. You know what I mean? I don't know if that's the kind of experience you want. Now, I agree that first time as the pressure is going to be like nothing they've ever felt before, but when you have a generation in the US that is absolutely not almost nothing except failure, like really, it's like it's experienced that much of a thing.

We really want to. Is that the ingredient we really care about at this point? I agree. I'm with you here. I really, I think if you have enough simple data to show somebody's extensive experience and their amount of suckitude is that of Jim Fierrix, like, that's not a positive thing. Like, Fierrix career record in four ball is one eight and one if you play for that's he can't play for both that's it that's a huge sample

you can't put them out there i don't got a goody's playing i know what's going to but like there's no way i would i would line him up in four ball i just could not play him up there i think all of the shots that's in a lot better than that for a four ball mentality does that i'd feel like that first that shock of being on the first tee, if you've played in the event at least once,

I think that matters to me, like especially for a cap and tick. Like, I feel like you need to have been there. I don't that's why I don't think you can thank Todd. I think Todd is a better option than Web Assistant. I think that lag, I think I agree. I think Bayhands is gonna be one, Keegan two, for cap and tick, that's probably what I would do as well. That sort of thought, I think I agree. I think they're going to be one, Keegan too, for Captain Spick.

That's probably what I would do as well. That sort of spot, I think I would lean towards Todd, but I think it's going to be Stenaker. I know I spoke with Shane Bacon, Yahoo, all about this a couple of weeks ago, just about Watson and Stenaker have the RBC tie. Like, I don't know how good a friends they are, but they have a relationship.

It's clear they have a working relationship. I think that kind of familiarity would then get some pressure i don't know how good a friend they are but they have a relationship clear they have a working relationship i think that kind of familiarity would be given pressure from rbc to pick you know snetaker and i i i i i i don't see him making any shocking news that's for sure yeah i think i think it definitely pal right but i think i don't think you can necessarily pressure tom Watson at this point in career you know that you like yeah

i don't know if you can clear on your podcast but the i don't give a point necessarily pressured Tom Watson at this point in his career. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't know if you can flare on your podcast, but I don't give a quick fact in Watson. It's got to be like, sky eye, you know? I mean, and yeah, I just, the set of course, the set of course form is not so good. It right now, it's fine.

It's probably better than times, but I don't think it's so good that you necessarily like just taken you know without question because when you just got so what's in when he did his press conference that's the pgp championship the monday after said you know what are we gonna consider all the stuff but then the last week's sad he's like i want to emphasize the gut factor we're gonna pick guys with like strong guts who can make these shots under pressure

i don't see anything about the senator that leads you to believe that he has the guts factor at all. That's what I'm saying. I don't know what you can expect from this guy under pressure. And if you don't think you can expect anything from him, I don't know. Why would you pick him? You don't mean pick Web Simpson, maybe Brendan Todd's students should be green or whatever. But I don't know. Staticer to me is just like that. It's just such a conservative loser pick in some ways. Yeah, the problem with that is you, you, what you're saying about the gut factor. There's no one knocking on the door that really feels like has a gut factor.

Whatever that means, it's not like, hair fingers is really vattle tested. And we, we know how he's going to handle the pressure or Ryan Moore is going to step up to a putt and the thing is going to make it as well. So that's just where it's the lack of enthusiasm from the chances of the US team comes from on my end. So yeah, I'm looking at them. It's going to be so, I can't wait, I really can't.

I was looking at what's interesting the tv schedule this year i mean i live in the island chicago in the central times of it starts at one thirty on Friday morning like how what is my strategy what is your strategy for watching i can do i come home Thursday night from work go to sleep for six hours and then wait get the coffee gone and get going at one thirty or what's the plan

yeah i mean well look i'm in a big time here i'll be in scotland so i'm okay yeah and i don't know i don't know what you what you'd be on doing the situation now but no i think if i was home if i were home i would say yeah i mean okay it's

i would say there's anything that you want to watch live and watching it live that's not a question the questions whether or to stay up all night and watch through the morning or go to sleep before i would try to get some shot at the four unless unless you are making it only party but then you were in the risk of like not having not having anything to thank for the you know the second round of matches on Friday. Exactly and that's actually I'm I'm I'm moving from Chicago like two days after the writer cup in and so this like my last week in Chicago too so I have

to figure out I'm already trying to game plan this thing if you can't tell like how I'm going to be in front of a TV to watch all this stuff and that being completely exhausted. What are you moving through for Chicago? I'm moving actually to Amsterdam. I'm going on like a rotation with my company for 18 months there. And I wish I was going there two weeks earlier if it was the case. I would have snagged all the way to get over to Glen Eagle's, that's for sure. I'm just going to barely miss it. Totally, yeah.

Now, yeah, I think you're right, man. I think a little lefty forehand is good. And then watch it. And yeah, I mean, the Ryder Cup, the movie you hear like that, that music. I can still hear it in my head. It's just such an amazing event. It's actually the first golf event I ever covered.

And the 2012 Ryder Cup that I covered for ground to be in still the best golf event I ever covered and the 2012 rider cup that I covered for ground to me is still the best sporting event period any sports that I've ever covered. It was amazing. It was the best sporting event I've ever attended. I went Friday and we went. We got there first thing in the morning. We saw the bubble lots in Ian Polter first. It's weird for me to root for bubble lots in the poll to our first which is it's weird for me to root for bubble

lots in general at all. But I mean that was the coolest thing I've ever seen in sports on to that first T where people just screaming USA at 7.08 in the morning or whatever it was and just launching a T shot and just everyone going absolutely nuts. I mean there's so many people around at first T we couldn't see anything. So we just kept trying to like leave that leaf I had a couple of holes finally figured out we it we leave that left had like five holes waiting on the 15th green which is the dribble part four we waited there like on the hill behind it for an hour and a half and

then to come through and the morning matches the u.s. one every single one they'll want the 15th hole every single time they close the first point there and that's where keegan drain that part and uh... what in pfc's caddie within the flag around it had i've never heard of a world that lana golf course is killing and just watching the the golf game and the great is around you know it's been u.s. collapse and they've been playing just watching it getting back to right of the mode has been completely jacked up.

That's awesome, and yeah, it was absolutely the environment, it was like nothing I ever experienced. I don't know if you guys at the course, did you have the little radios where you could listen to the BB-C feed? I don't remember if it was the BB-C feed, but we actually had little TV, like America, everybody, if you had American Express car or something, you could have a TV and you could be watching stuff going on other whole so that helps as well. Yeah well on a bubble lots and topics let me just say you guys are doing the Lord's work.

It could be ongoing. I'm going above as well you're deserved and so good. I just think it's awesome. It just, it's amazing how much it keeps going. Like, keep expecting it to suck. And then like, I'll be at work and I'll come back and I'll have like 15 messages on Twitter about something else not, but just did that I wasn't even aware of. It's amazing. He's a parody of himself at this point. But he gives us so much material. It's impossible not to keep the parity of itself at this point but he gives us so much material is impossible to keep taking on it but

and it's it's funny like okay here's a guy named bamba who's like kind of quirky dresses a little funny as a pink driver and hits the crap out of the ball you know it's a three hundred fifty yards he's like just like four criteria he is so likable and he is the absolute opposite of his image. So taking a long time, it's coming back on so hard now because people are finally realizing, wait a second, this guy is not at all who he thought he was.

But it still amazes me how many fans he has and how often I get the reaction. What? You guys are called no laying up. You don't like bubble lots and how can you not like the guy the spirit and like just any any kind of attention to them at all and it's kind of like it's embarrassing that I read someone posted uh... i i i i i i think it's a bit of a bit of that

that boob is cheers were outweighing rory's cheers this week and and uh... rich where to play that alone just states that i can i'll just say it like how dumb some american star like it just it blows my mind is to what the kind of people appreciate you carry themselves like even every man anywhere the five hundred thousand dollar watch and treat everyone around like shit but just call it like it is i mean

and uh... i mean i honestly this point i'm right one of the leader board is because i want to keep giving up to material like it's interdipseled i think the it's the guy the guys that know filter i i you know we know we don't agree had a whole long drive thing but uh... i went up to the kids who were you know on the t on the tenth t

where the long drive competition was being held and I knew I was going to get good stuff because they're really nice kids so I started by saying you know who's your favorite golfer that you've seen today you know this was late in the day and they're like oh we really liked you know Ricky Fowler and Keegan Bradley and they came through his film and they're all having a really good time and they're you know betting with each other and they're really nice and I said well You know who's your least favorite golfer and I'd not finish the sentence before both them were like You know

A new generation Under yeah, yeah, the young generation of getting it not only that he pulled the stuff you heard about He was also swearing at all the staff there He was he was like literally swearing and he was mad that somebody had jumped at them on a practice team he was going this fucking bullshit and like oh my god yeah just don't you can't come around these like kid to you know who knows like before the term ending might have been huge bubble fans the guy just has no pop man he has no self awareness and. And it's just endlessly fascinating to watch him,

you know, I think his father and father down his own mouth. He made a... I'll say a quick story. This was back at the 2012 Memorial Tournament. I was out watching during the program. And, but it's number eight, like a part three, he has a shot way last into the crowd and torso is it?

Does the wayward point and starts going back and bitching to Ted Scott, I can't even focus, man. All these cameras, I can't even focus. This is a pro-amp. Remember this, this is a pro-amp. So I'm sitting in front row watching this and I'm with a friend of mine. We just kind of look at each other, do you think this counts for something?

And then, so we followed him up the green, watching him finish it out. We went and watched the apple nine, which is the par four. And he hit Iron Off of it. It's like a 412-year-apar four through the shoot. He hits Irony, hits it kind of like strangely fat or off the toe. It goes straight. It's kind of an okay shot okay shop it didn't look very pure at all and there's a small group of people around the tee and no one really claps or does anything because again it's a pro-amp while he's getting the tee out of the ground he just sarcastically goes nice shop I'm a fakes everybody and I picked a tee up and just starts walking and we

like every even people I didn't know that were standing around, they were like, look at each other. Like, are these curious? Did he want us to cheer for him during the program? I was like, I have all this on video. That was kind of when the tide turned for me especially. I mean, I already didn't like to tell him, I'm like, all right, this guy is really the worst. Well, I get good news for you, Chris.

He has said, he has said, he's come out, he's trying to be a better man and a better Christian. So, we can all stop worrying, you know. It's the year of rejoicing. That's what he said. It's the year of rejoicing. I also want to know how somebody who's tweeted almost 50,000 times claims to have deleted the internet off his phone.

I didn't know what that means, first of all, to have deleted the internet off your phone if it's as we possible. No, that was, he said that at the British Open. I was there when he said that. Yeah, I don't, who knows what it means. And somebody followed up and he was like, oh, yeah, check it sometime. But like, not all the time. I think we've got me to follow you on Twitter when I first saw you, somebody retweeted.

Yeah, I do. I forget what you said, but it was probably making an ass of themselves but then you added the hashtag here every choice thing after it because it's so perfect like it's such a funny phrase and it's so like I've ballooned in such nonsense that's probably such a baby but I was like I'm in this tweet but I got followed and right now I don't know I don't know. I can't take credit. I can take credit for Trump for 10th grad. I can't take credit for year of rejoicing. I think I got to give it for him.

I don't know that Brendan Porath was from S.B. Nation. I think that's where I got that from. So I can't take credit for that. Let me just let him love that too. It's about rejoicing. You know the whole year is about rejoicing. Yeah. We're in the midst. We're at the end of the the year every joy thing where he won't do a drive long drive

contest for the charity, which by the way is like Christianity and charity are above a sword and shield. There has been against his own like you know, Dick behavior. That's the thing he trots out. And then there we have a here we have a charity thing where he could have won 25 grand for zone charity. And he won't do it. That's very funny. It's the best.

So you said that 2012 Ryder Cup was the first best golf event you'd cover. You know, how did you start get in with Grantland? How did you start with this role you currently have, you know, writing dog golf for Grantland? You write other stuff for Grantland too as well, right? Yeah, so I'll give you the short version of the story. you currently have writing dog golf for granted. You write other stuff for granted too, all right? Yeah, so I'll give you the short version of the story. I went to school at Duke and so I was a big college basketball fan.

I moved to New York City after graduating. And I was trying, I was English major, so I was trying to write novels, trying to write short stories, trying to be published and all that stuff. So basically, but I also like to have a day job because New York City is very, very expensive. So I think like three years, I think like, just for four years of doing nothing, being totally unproductive, like on the road to being a loser with like no hope and no hope and no prospects. But I decided like I'm like, look, I'm every day at this work, which was a cancer

center, I was a secretary at a cancer center in New York City, and it was like, I'm like, look, I'm every day at this work, which was a cancer center. I was a secretary at a cancer center in New York City. And it was like, I need something to do because I sit around all day and do nothing and keep paid way too much for doing it. So I was like, all right, I'm going to start a blog. So I started a Duke basketball blog. And that kind of, it led to some other journalism, bakedly journalistic things in New York. And at a certain point, I was like, all right, you know, I need to go back to school.

So I applied to UNC to go back to the North Carolina area and got like a little mini fellowship there. So my girlfriend at the time was not my wife. We moved to North Carolina. And I was at the journalism program, covering the HEC tournament for this little like a digital news start up there trying to do. And I wrote for my Duke blog that I had started in New York.

I wrote this piece about how terrible the media relations were at the HEC tournament. How stupid it was. Like the relationships between the media and the coaches and the media and the players were very superficial and nobody was really trying hard and it was just getting like this, they just creating boring relationships, creating boring stories. So anyway, this post, for whatever reason, just went viral. It was picked up everywhere. John Feinstein, Tim Layden, Bill Simmons, they all wrote to me because they got their hands on the story somehow.

So, with Simmons, they wrote back and forth a little bit. And this was in March of whatever year was, I guess, 2011. And Grant was going to start that summer. So, that summer, I was in turning at the Charlotte Reserve for no money, which is there, the Charlotte newspaper. And I was like, you know what, let me, one story. Let me write something about the NBA finals, which was Dallas and Miami that year. And I'll send it to him. And so I sent him this thing.

And he's like, oh, I like this. Let me share with my editors. The editors got it. I accidentally copied me on the email. One of the editors was like, I didn't really like this. It was very good. But I read his blog and thought it was kind of funny. So let's do a machin at the blog. Basically they had this idea that they were going to do this blog feature,

which was a nightly recap. And they said, okay, you have a chance of three days to have your audition basically to do this nightly recap in sports. Do whatever you want, you make it your own, make it funny, do it, you know, make it your own thing, and we'll let you know after these three days, and in the afternoon do a post about anything you want. So for the next three days I'm running back and forth to the Charlotte server, pretending to be sick so I can run home and right in the post-program, and doing this kind of stuff, and nearly recap, I guess. I auditioned for it at the same time, which I didn't know. But anyway, at the end of it, they thought some of the stuff I'd written was funny.

So they gave me a little contract to do. The feature that became the Battle Last Night, which was the, you know, the Ninety-review of sports, which was basically, I turned it into like an in-ungin style, secure, cold, joky thing, and did that for about a year. Why did some other stuff, which was mostly baseball and college basketball? And then 2012 came around, and Grown had no interesting golf. It's a little too cool for golf at that time, you know. And so I begged them, I said, please, please, please send me to the Ryorkup. The Ryorkup is like, you know, as we've discussed, like even if you don't like golf, the Ryorkup

is the greatest thing ever. It's got elements of patriotism and history and everything. It's so cool. So please send me there. And so I begged and begged and begged. And finally they said yes. And one of the first things I did there, Bill Murray was in the first ever Ryarka Pro-Anne that they had.

So I followed Bill Murray around. I wrote a thing about that. I wrote a preview, and then I wrote a feature on the Monday after about Ian Colt and everything he had done, which I guess Bill Simmons really liked, and so they said, you know, you can cover the majors from now on if you can get credentials. And so that was supposed to be the short version but it turned long but that's how I got into the golf beat for Grantland. That's great I mean we actually I think we uh we post what we post on a grant one in

the past for kind of dropping the ball on that on golf cup or it created were a golf log so we only really pay attention to golf but but no, it's good to see Gritland kind of getting on board slowly and covering golf. It's not the same excitement level that it was and tagging with the first f**king on the scene or whatever, but there's a ton going on in the golf world now. We thought it was a really slow season, but the majors have kind of saved us the worthy champions we've had in the majors this year kind of made it you see that you think they think some good events to cover this year i guess we're talking about the major

and the most exciting but they've at least you know bubble one and second major as much as we don't like and it's pretty big story what rory did in second half this year is obviously a huge story uh... so now that's good that's good to hear good to see that you can grant them that uh's up in their golf camps on Senja's Skyline. That is awesome.

Yeah, well actually I'm reading a book this year and so I've been to about 30 tournaments at this point, I think it's 30 to the number now. So I've been the whole year. Yeah, I'm reading in each of the contact me when I at least saw some of my great-old stuff. So I'm reading a book about the young players on the tour and kind of what life after Tiger is like. So that's going to come out next year. So yeah, I've been to all of them, man, and I agree with you. I think it's, you know, we haven't had a Tiger presence this year, but I think it's been a pretty exciting year anyway.

With some, with some pretty cool, even, you know, even the minor tournaments, there've been some pretty cool stories, and then just watching Rory do what he's done, and even Martin Kymre earlier in the year year and it's just been pretty neat. Yep, I would say, I mean I'd probably agree. I'd rather Tiger sit out of tournament and do what he's done this year, when he shows up and he's heard kind of distracts when the actual tournament and the actual good storylines are going on. I think for me personally, I like when he's not in aament, how the focus shifts away from him. When he's an

internament, he's 15 shots off the pace, and he's showing every shot of it. That's that's the traction of the coverage for me. You know, so I mean, I'd obviously rather win five tournaments here like you did last year, but I'd also rather be out injured than out there trying to play and kind of taking away from the overall viewer experience. But did you make it to Memorial this year? No, that was one of the few I skipped and it was just the timing of it. And it was just, yeah, because I forget the schedule, but I had been to like,

wasn't the Texas tournaments maybe before it, that were right before it, I had been to, and so I was driving back and I would have had to fly to Ohio or something. I was like, yeah, you know what, forget it, I'm just going to do the next one. Yeah, one thing I will say is that was tiger, what's interesting is that when he came back to the congressional, his whole thing was like, you know, like, oh, the doctors are amazed, I'm coming back so fast and people have had the same, you know, the same spinal issue, the back issue that I've had are totally amazed that I'm coming back. It kind of proved that he came back too soon.

I mean, if it disaster this year and said, it's like, you know, it's, yeah, I mean, Tiger has best, this is a huge addition to golf, but Tiger, this version of Tiger is just a annoying distraction and right up and two including the process before the Ryder Cup where he where he all of a sudden he wanted to pick him and you're like, wait a second, why would Tom Watson ever pick you? Yeah, and you can't sit out three months after a back surgery. You sat, you got surgery, you were supposed to cure this injury, right? You can't come back and be hurt after that. There's no in-between there.

You come back when you're healthy. And I don't buy honestly. I hate when people accuse others of taking injury. I don't think he's faking it. I think he way overplayed the back parts for the PGA and the bridge stone. Because like he said, there was nothing related to his surgery at all.

It wasn't where he had the surgery. It was pain that. And with how hurt he was at Bridgestone, you can't possibly play the PEC, you can barely walk after that. And some of this battle back injuries, you don't bounce back in that in three days. Like, I felt like it was a little theatrical

in that whole thing. I ain't saying that, but I really just feel that way. Yeah, it was, it was just like, it distracted from everything else. We had some amazing tournaments. Like the, you know, the ads at Bridgestone,one in Accra, I mean that was one of the best tournaments in the years of FAR. And one of the most revealing when you saw Rory do the search you on Sunday.

And it's like, we got to focus on Tiger right now. Like come on. Like, we've got all this moving on guys. You're like, young Borg, you know? Yeah. But what's, I guess, tell me a little bit more about what your book is about what you mean by post-tiger we actually have a piece that's getting ready to run i think probably on friday about we we are going to still did a deep dive into how much

money tiger is responsible for putting in the bank accounts of other pga tors players so i was interested to see what you to see what you said about golf life after type. Yeah, that's great to hear because I'm sure I would love to steal some of that research for the book when I'm going to come back. But no, you know, it's basically, you know the book of Good Walks foiled by John Fineson I think it was published in 94. I'm not ready but I'm familiar with it, yeah.

Yeah, so the idea there was just a season on the peach nature, we saw around a number of guys. And on a very simple level, that's what I proposed, that's what made myself and my agency's proposed this year. Like, look, we've got Tiger Woods kind of getting towards the Twilight of his career. You know, Phil Mickelson, you could argue the same, even though they're both still very capable of winning tournaments.

But we thought we could identify at 2014 as a year where it's going to be a transitional year. The young guys are going to start winning a lot. The game is going to start to turn and we're going to start to see new personalities emerge. And the timing we thought would be perfect for somebody to be there all season to find out what these guys really like to talk to them to all season to find out what these guys really like to talk to them to write a book that's about these guys where they came from what happens on the course this year what happens off the

course and just sort of be a sort of tell all the wrong word but a sort of just a piece about what life is like on the tour right now and who these guys are. And so, yeah, so that's the basic premise. And the not the numbers of it is, you know, good walks poiled for the new generation, as well as a treatise on what happens after Tiger Woods and the KGA tour, what can we expect when Tiger's no longer the dominant force that he was. And I really think that it's an amazing year. I'm really, really, really excited about this book.

You know, if people go to ground and read some of this stuff, I've written it you like that style. It's going to be like that extra better because I would tell it stuff because I don't want people to hate me yet because I want them to talk to me. People with a book is published. So, you know, it's like, but there's going to be a lot of great stuff there. And, you know, if you're not a golf fan and you've probably run into this, Chris, people's perception of golf is it's like,

oh, it's this boring, rich person's game. Well, I tell you what, that's not true at all. There may be so many rich people in it, but it's not boring. It is a game that is so incredibly anxiety-provoking that you get this assortment of personalities from lunatics to obsessives to, you know, just like every kind of oddball and weirdo you can imagine. And these guys are just fascinating. And the way their personalities dictate what happens on the course is just a drama that I could witness over and over, and I love writing about it, and I just think it's going

to be such an exciting book when it comes out well it's it's the most unique sport in my opinion just because it's the most individual sport i mean people compare it to tennis as far as like you know be individual tennis players but engulf you are always playing the golf course but you're basically playing yourself so there's nothing

that an opponent other than like put pressure on you by hitting a good shot, there's nothing that an opponent can do to defend you. Like, you're not playing, even a match play, you're not playing against your opponent, you and your opponent are playing the same hole and you're ever get the lowest score wins the hole. So it's truly just the most, it's not a testament, like in a tennis, you can just kind of physically dominate another player, or you can beat him with strategy, what not, but you're playing into another player. Golf is just truly a test of how everyone plays the golf course that day. And you are so much on your own, the biggest things these guys teams are like sports psychologist trainer, caddy, swing coves, short game coach, you're still on your own, you're on your own.

So it's like, when I thought about Tiger firing, fully this week and thought about, you know, he's got a decision to make, it's Tiger's decision who's going to trust with his swing. There's no head coach that's going to decide who, Tiger's going to work with next, like you are just in charge of everything right. I've gotten a friend of mine that plays on tour and it's kind of surprised me as I've gotten to know him better about just what tour life is like and I think you're probably getting an interesting insight into that. I think it's probably completely different now than it was 25 years ago where I feel like well those guys were good friends and go

out and treat beers with each other after rounds now I feel like all those guys were good friends and would go out and drink beers with each other after rounds. Now, I feel like even more, the games become more, just even more of an individual game. This guys, you know, are going straight to the gym after a round, go before a round, and it's turned into 10, 12, 13 hour days, where it's all kind of used to just be something where you show up and play. These guys were so talented, not to end up in the guys at Work hard but it the competition level has just kind of change and tiger's probably to blame or credit for a lot of that yeah and the money change to you know i actually have to be about that they he has press conference and

i said you know what's the difference that the question that led to it was what's the difference between european player and american player and he kind of rift on like what's different between the European tour and the PGA tour? Well, in the European tour the money is low enough still that it still retains some of that sort of a camaraderie or whatever you want to call it where people you know players will go out and they hang out they're all in the same hotel and taking shuttle buses together to the course they're going out and having a drink after. PGA tour man everybody's got a private car.

A lot of people have their family there. Like you said, everybody's got a team that might consist of your agent, your caddy, your swing coach, your mental coach. And, you know, on and on, it could be a positive up to like seven people, which I think, I think we'll be, we'll talk about the anxiety that golf provokes in the player. I think they like having a big team around because it sort of creates at least the illusion all the people who are in the middle of the world. I think they like having a big team around because it creates the illusion that there are other people who can carry part of the

load for them. Even though the scrim reality is that you are out there on the course on your own, nobody else can hit those shots for you. other very much. It's just not something that happens. There's a lot of isolation there, and it can be very lonely. It can be, now it's lonely for American players. Imagine it's like A, for European players, like a young guy like, yeah, a young splix, who's not married, who's out here, who's got nobody to hang out with. Now, imagine what it's like for someone like Summable No, who doesn't even speak English. Yeah. Like, I mean, there's a lot of loneliness and isolation to the whole thing, and the two things I would add to what you say about golf is that

it's a sport where there is no reaction to somebody else. And tennis is a new visual sport, but you're always reacting to what somebody else does. Or you're trying to influence what somebody else does. Every other sport you can think of, you know, all the team sports, basketball, baseball, football, you're always trying to influence what somebody else does. Every other sport you can think of, you know, all the team sports, basketball, baseball, football, you're always trying to influence, there's none of that in golf. And the second thing is there's no sport where you have so much time to think between shots. You know, there is, there is, there is just endless walking

and in thinking and it creates the most, it's just like this mental sort of like, vice that you have to withstand for an entire round. So yeah, I mean, it's just, it's just like the mental sort of like vice that you have to withstand for an entire round so yeah i mean it's just great it's a great said conditions for a sport that you can really look inside the mental the mental state it's a game it's a game ultimate game of failure i mean i never really thought about so i read hank a new talk about tiger

just about how golf is controlling this is and other than the shot that goes in the hole, I mean, obviously there's successful shots that don't go in the hole. You're basically trying not to screw up basically the entire time. I mean, it's just, the game has been so associated with failure throughout the years.

I mean, you remember the failures, the jokes, the misplots more than, I mean, you do some of the big moments. And I've grown up, I always thought that, the PGTOR, I talked about this with Kyle Porter from CBS on our podcast before. I always thought it was so glamorous and the best sports shot you could have.

And actually, the more I see it up, the more I think it's 10% in glamorous as it looks. I mean, I said before, you would think the players show up and the club they're all ironed in the locker there you know that read the roles like i think the mabla at the airport he's he's got five bags with him is on the road for seven weeks

he's carrying his own clubs at the airport and he just the kind of things you don't think about these up at five a.m. ironing his pants and then you know he's going to be on national TV wearing stuff like that. I just always assume everything was so easy for these guys, they do a lot of stuff by themselves and they still pay incredible expenses over the course of a year. It costs so much money to, you don't know when you're going to fly out of a tournament. I know these guys make a ton of money, but you're talking about a guy that makes maybe $400,000

on the year. When you are paying the Cadi $1,500 a week, plus a percentage of your earnings, plus the hotel fee, plus the baggage fee, plus the flights, the last-minute flights are not cheap. I mean, money adds up really quickly, and it's not, granted, makes sponsorship money, too. They do find finance, but it's not nearly as profitable of a career as it probably looks like for the middle-broad guys. The top guys are doing just fine. Even up there.

But it's not a huge cast grab all the way down, all the way down the line. Yeah, that's so true. I mean, it's very, very good for the guys to top and very, very hard to get there. And once you get there, it's very, very hard to stay there. And that's what makes it so fascinating. But yeah, it's a cool, I wouldn't say I was even a huge, huge golf fan, even when I started covering golf. I was a big golf fan, but yeah, I've just become a really big fan over the last couple of years.

Yeah, that's where we kind of came. We've been golf fans forever and we've been, like, the guys that we started the website with, we all three of us went to college together and we've always just been playing fantasy golf together and talk about it forever. We started a Twitter account for it about almost two years ago, maybe a year and a half ago. We got kind of bored with that and we started the website in January. It's really hard to do with four of us that do it, it's hard to do, we all have full-time jobs. And it's hard to constantly keep putting material up

and keep going. But we've had a lot of fun with it. I mean, it's been, we just felt like there was kind of a gap in the story that golf digest is reporting on and the guys that are on the beat every week that are reporting on. We start like, there's a gap, you know, the guys that can just kind of look at golf in a fun, more fun, relaxed way, a funny way.

We don't take it too serious. We're not journalists. Like, we just try to have as much fun with it as possible, and it's been a lot of fun for our literature. And that's an interesting thing about golf isn't it, because somewhere along the line, in terms of journalism, it entered this mythical territory, where it's just romantic, like, natural game that we must treat as though it's played by walking

saints and everything. And it's funny because I think golf might be like a decade behind every other sport in terms of how people talk about it. So now baseball or basketball or football, we don't, we don't qualify it, we don't treat it with kids gloves or anything. Golf, we still, like, it's still, like, very difficult and very revolutionary if you're gonna say, like,

hey, bubble watch some jerk, or, you know, something like very simple and obvious like that, it's like, whoa, like, it's crazy to say something bad about golfers, because we're so used to venerating them. And that's why, yeah, you guys are great about that. And really, I think with the book, that's what I hope to do, is to discuss golf in a very honest way that it's

hopefully funny at times. I mean, Hunter S. Thompson is one of my heroes. I love the way he writes. And so if you know, just that kind of style of like, look, what is it? Like, forget all the hero worship stuff that ninety five percent journalists are doing right now what is golf really like what are these guys really like and that that's it's a new age for golf and it's funny to watch the

uh... it's funny to watch everybody react people who have been used to to be the old way which is where we treat these guys like you know like they you know they're they're made of gold or something. Yep, I can put the agree. So why don't we let's turn this and we got we floated a couple questions on Twitter and we got a couple good ones. The best one we got I thought was from my friend,

Kyle Porter, CBS, who asked if you had a poor ball tournament, two players from the same all the modern. So you informed teams of two, yeah yet to have gone to the same college together who wins that i was fast in any question i'm not that well first and where guys went to college and overlaut the top guys i know why kyle that thing because he went to a call msd and he's probably pretty pumped about hunter mayhem ricky fallor team right now but

what if you're going to see a thing about the question all of you have any idea what were you with me there yeah i mean i'm a preparing i mean really would be and you look at now that both of the on the right of uh... well we think i'm a and it's a pretty uh... and and they're both great match play players i mean richie followers and great match play player since

he's walker cup case again a gai just good uh... although i have a funny story about him all of the time i can have a diverge here for a second he was playing brine harman in the ncw i match play george versus okonomostate and it was harman senior year i'm not sure year was for power and it's a story i got from harman and from christachan's coach of george they were on the sixteenth green and and ricky was let's see she was one

up and ricky was in for par already and brine harman has an eight footer for par and and and follow through this coach who is making grow up the time and they just walked away they walked for the seventeenth green before brine harman and even his putte and brine harman who went for the first time this year is an incredibly competitive guy and he saw them go and he looked at his coach Chris Hack and said we can swear right we determined that we cannot which should say whatever we want here. Yeah absolutely absolutely.

They look at the reason they really just do that because I'm going to beat this motherfucker and show that he hits the eight foot putt and it goes on and takes the last two holes and beats Ricky Fowler. Yeah, and later, I mean, they asked and like, you know, of course, they were trying to insult them at all, but that's how Brian Harmon took it at the time and that's what he did. But anyway, the other speaking of that, the other team, I think, would be really good. You have a lot of guys in Georgia uh... in the eleven of one this year

but i think in particular they hate each other but if they can get along a team of like brand and thought and double lots and would be great because you got bubblegum long as hell and then and bring it to the great shipper and putter i think they would compliment each other nicely on that one uh... i mean look to the north issue want to go to the North,

you should go to the industry for voting. She can Bradley, it's the same John. I'm telling you, I'm definitely seeing. We love to vote here. We back in February and deal one of our guys with that at the Pebble Beach. And I think you'd had a couple of adult beverages. And to vote crushed up all on up all in eighteen to the winter something

and he had uh... you know you know that i'm so to not make sure you don't lay off on that second shot and like look at look at them looks like but all right that sounds good and i think you had no idea that i have a music twelve over on the rouse like we had no idea he would have never yelled at him if he didn't know that but you know it's so cool about a responded he's like all right i'll go for it i think he either had drivered off the deck or three wood it went for it he didn't get there but he made like his

only par of the back nine or only birdie at the back time so we've been huge for bonus he has never since then so i know your time to call a little joke there but we've got some bonus back I know your tentacle a little a little joke there but we're we got some voters back. I know some of them. I mean some of them come to the chick close to when he a couple times a share. Yeah. You got a pretty good year. Now I would say that might be totally wrong about this but the sure can Nicholson both go to Arizona State or my son I lay off.

I think fear is what the Arizona. I think Nicholson. Here's our state. Nicholson for sure with the Arizona State. I think fear is what the Smith, for sure, went to Arizona State. I think, Fiery went to Arizona. Pat Perez, I know what the Arizona State. So that may be the answer. That's what Michael said.

Oh, I try to, yeah, sure. I don't have any great ones, but that's so good. Let's see, if you can have Billy Horshaw and Matt Heveries, Lorda. You can do another Georgia team. You can do another Georgia team you can do here singlish and uh... uh... what's his name

brine could be brine harman there's someone else i'm forgetting to yeah well what you have russian and you have the creeper not alone but you know for a little while uh... that didn't work out to help but you were there uh... let's see you you have, yeah, Brandon Todd,

you have, here in Singles, yeah, that didn't mean those shorts you guys have been unbelievable this year. Yeah, what's Trevor from Tapping Golf chimed in as well? I'll see Tiger and Michelle Wee assuming she gets to play the normal women's teams? That's good, that's good. That's a spot on, I would say, that's a hell of a team. Then they take the whole thing. We got this question I thought about putting a bracket together for just for the event in Boston and throwing their four ball scores in afterwards and seeing how it played out for one weekend. I thought that might be kind of interesting. But that was the only thing about who would force me to text this guy, so I played with

George Speet. Um, see this is where my black and knowledge won't work, guys. Like, it's cool. I know that that's pretty much the thing. I don't know any text this guy is either, but yeah. So, some of you speak, but yeah, no, that would be cool. It would also be cool to do that to see, like, you know, like, if the guy who won the tournament

could be out the first day, you know what I mean? Based on the four ball scores on Thursday or Friday and this kid. Okay. All right. Another question we got. This is from LifeBeater. What is the second best club to use as a putter to finish around? I think you said he's asking for a friend.

Well, that's a reference. I don't know if you caught this but that's a reference to a story that somehow only i got it is because i was staying in the air being being at print with this canadian who had followed the issue after around uh... and saturday dot there was so frustrated with putting that he gave his putter away to a kid

on the 12th floor. He gave his putter away and he put it the rest of the round, he put it with a three wood. And nobody knew this, so it's like Twitter references. And so I heard it from this guy and was like, you guys know, that's not true, you guys have to be kidding. And so I went to a dumpster on Sunday, he was miserable, completely torn, and he's not true, you gotta be kidding. And so I went to a doctor on Sunday, the usual miserable computer, he's not even a good doctor. Listen to me, and I heard you kick your other way.

I just want to make sure that's true. He's like, yep. This guy wasn't doing anything but taught me at that moment. So I'm trying to keep the question to the clinic. And so I was like well yeah what was it? 12 what was your talk with he goes three with? Okay anything else you want to say? He goes nope.

That's a strange one to me. I would have thought driver. There was me and somebody in my way going on a trip every year up to Michigan, up to, it's called the Boyn Cup, we played up in Boyn, Michigan. And we play 36 holes a day and we stay on a court, right in a house, right on a golf course. And so, after we finish 36, one of the nights will go out and we'll play two-man, best ball, night golf, just in the complete dark. So, you can only bring three clubs. You can use cell phone lights, but you can bring three clubs.

So that's part of the strategy is what you've got to figure out what you're going to put with. So I always bring a driver, a wedge, and a seven iron. And I put with the driver. And it works pretty well. You just keep the putter. You don't lift it off the ground. I just drag it on the ground, put it it out.

Here, and I'm trying to, I can't really see the ball. So that's what I always use. We have an affect playoff this year where you can't even see the pen where you're putting it. And we were making 20 foot plus in the dark. We had a few adult beverages with it. A guy, an 18 handicapper made about a 40 foot putt to have a hole, ran in the bunker and was doing sand angels in the bunker screaming from the top of his lungs.

That's how he was driver. Driver will be the club I would go to finish out around if I walk my tutters the house. That's great, that's terrific. Alright, our friend Trevor is having golf. He gave Bacon and I a great question, a couple weeks ago we did the podcast. We'll start with that one and we'll go to his question this week.

So the question was, if you had to permanently wear one of these two, and the audio of Bacon and I's podcast, this part got cut out unfortunately. So a lot of this, what we said went unheard, but if you had to permanently do one of the two, either where permanent cloud makeup or permanently where clown clothes, what would you choose? So, could a clown makeup or clown clothes?

You could permanently wear one of the two. Yeah, I would definitely wear clown clothes over clown makeup because you could find, I mean, like, what kind of wiggle room is there? You could even kind of get stylish, I think, when you're just terrifying everybody all the time. You look like a weird, like John Wayne, Gacy, Tentafile, Cereo Killer, as you walk around. Yeah, and that's what I said the same thing. The answer is pretty easy. It's closed, but the reasoning why people would do it, I thought it was hilarious to me, I said I would just sell, yeah, I lost the bed, I have to wear a clown clothes, whatever. When I talked to I was baking, with bacon, he said, you know, yeah, you can be talking to the girls to bar, you can be like, yeah, I just got off work.

So he was going to go with the, as if he was a clown, like that was going to be this lie. It's the same, but he actually was a clown, he's like, yeah, you know what the cross-needs is? You can like pull the handkerchief out of your sleeve and whatnot. And I just absolutely lost it. I was like, we decided whenever we play, the loser is going to have to wear clown clothes to the bar after the round. Those are the stakes. There's nothing women like more than questions. You know, the kind of people who perform at kids birthday party. All right, so Trevor's question this week was, I don't, I gotta be honest, I don't really understand the difference or I don't really understand the question that well. But can a ghost and a zombie come from the same person. So the zombie would be, yeah, you die

and you come back to life with your own body, whereas if it goes, if you don't, that's like a corporeal sort of, that's a great question actually. That is that, no, that's a terrific question. I mean, I'll be just assuming we're going full hype with like fantasy story world here clearly right like a TV show you're lying like let's say you're lying on a slab like you're dead right you

don't two things are happening at once your soul is leaving your body and you're becoming a ghost you're haunting but at the same time what's left of your body minus minus the soul, is turning into a zombie. So I would say that the answer is yes, but here's my reasoning, because a zombie is commonly understood like in the walking dead and everything else, the soul is not present in the body. Because like you see them and like you click this

that bullet where the eyes go vacant, and then the next thing takes over. You're reanimated by the brain, which is no longer you. So you can have that without the soil, whereas the ghost is like 100% soil. Like it's the soil with unfinished business. Like, you know, oh, somebody, you can't choke, and nobody knows it, so I've got to hug them until they know it. So I think you can have it to a zombie walking around in your old body where your soul is the ghost.

And I have to think that the soul is the ghost is a little bit annoyed at the zombie. Like Jesus, cool down a little. I've got a real mission to do here. Have you seen the movie Ghost, the 80s movie Ghost? Is that the one Patrick Suasey? It is, yeah. I've seen it a long time ago. have you seen the movie ghost the eighties movie ghost uh... with the effect of the it is yeah i think it'll be a long time ago i don't have barely remember it

so i've got a body of mind who is like and it's like he's kind of a hard-ass like he's just he's a tough guy uh... you know he'll always rip on you he's just a rough around the edge of kind of guy but for whatever reason when it comes to movies he cries at everything i mean like if it's an emotional episode of a tv show he will cry if i could this is one weakness he braises it though anyway ghost is like i think person like i just a cheesy 80s movie like it doesn't really hit you emotionally i mean yeah it's about a girl who's

like boyfriend or husband ties and he's like you know there's a there's a plot there to it but it's just kind of a cheesy movie we're watching the end of ghost and i'm kind of laughing about the city you know the special effects that they had in the eighties the music and what that the cheesiness and i look over and he's just balling

he lost it the final scene of ghost the Patrick's ways these'm gonna never let him hear the end of that. What's the song? What's the song that's like the emotional climax song ghost? Oh man. It's like all I can think of is the eye at the time of my life song, but it's not similar. Oh man. Anyway, anyway, I just googled it.

Is it all my love? Is that it? No. I don't know the answer to this. Anyway, yeah, I hope the initial become even funny. I hope you picture it like your friend bawling to it. I don't know if I can really follow up from your answer. I don't watch the walking dead, but I didn't think about it. So you said, like, a zombie to me does not have a soul. But that would make sense that the soul would leave the body that goes time like,

it can't be seen, but the zombie physically huts you. Does that sound right? Yeah, no, totally. I don't think they work with tandem. I think the ghost is a little snob... The ghost thinks it's like really way better than the zombie. yeah no totally i don't think they work with you and i think the ghost is a little ghost thing since like really way better than the zombie and the zombie is just like the stupid kid like the idiot rat boy of the spirit well the ghost is for sure a hipster there's no doubt

so i think the we've definitely appealed to any golf fans that are also ghost zombie fans. And I think we've run you an hour, so I'm going to let you go. But thanks a ton for joining me. I hope you've been wanting to do this for a while. It's fun. Everyone, thanks for tuning in. This was Shane Ryan from Grandland.com. We will definitely do this again, maybe postwriter cup.

Or if I don't talk to you before then, have fun and call him in and enjoy. Yeah, sounds good. Chris, thank you very much for having the on man. You bet. Take care everyone, thanks. Be the right club, be the right club today. Yeah! That's better than most.

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