No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 704: Scottie Scheffler and Jordan Spieth

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

Soly catches up with Jordan Spieth and Scottie Scheffler for a quick chat about both of their journeys to becoming world number one, continuing to learn new techniques, Ryder Cup team experiences, Scheffler's current run at majors, putting, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah. That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most! All right, we are here crashing a title-est ball content shoot nice enough to spend a few minutes with us, Mr. Scotty Shaffler, Mr. Jordan Speeth. All right, my first question. I think the last time you were the number one player in the world, Jordan was 2016, I believe. You're sitting next to the number one player in the world. What advice would you give as someone who's been there and to someone that is currently there? What would your advice speed, this guy, do you say to him? Probably don't go seven years without being number one in the

world. It's a lot more fun when you are. What would you tell Jordan's speed at number one from 2016? How much time do you have? I got time. How much time do you guys have? Yeah. No, I think that was like a goal as a kid, but it wasn't a... I want... I mean, you obviously want to hold on to it as long as... But it's not because you want to hold on to the... I never felt it was... I wanted to hold on to the ranking. I want to win this golf tournament because I want to win this tournament, and that just kind of comes with it. He's playing the most consistent golf

of anybody in the world in the biggest events and winning them. So the rankings then show that. I was more obsessed with it in junior golf than I was professionally, but it was certainly a goal to reach it. And it is still, but via shot by shot, tournament by tournament, not,

I actually don't really even know how they work. I know it's a two-year cycle, but I don't know how it's weighted. I don't know how many points a major has versus a regular event. And so in other words, it's, plays well as you can, as often as you can, and it takes care of itself. Does the ranking mean you think to use, Gotti? I mean, it's a nice, you know, accolade to have, but as far as day to day stuff, no. I mean, it's nice to have that accomplishment,

but at the end of the day, you know, I don't get any strokes in the next tournament, and if I spend time thinking about being number one, I'm probably gonna be out of there pretty quick. I'll just say, what's about, like, you can't ignore the heater you've been on lately, but hitting the golf ball. What's the balance right, like of, you know,

I don't wanna say staying humble, but like staying focused on it yet You know acknowledging with the heater that you're on with what's that been like to go through? I Just trying to pay attention that kind of stuff. I've always been kind of a stand my own lane kind of guy and I've been fortunate to be surrounded by guys like Jordan and guys that are you know kind of done this stuff before me That I can bounce stuff off of and you know I have a great caddy and Teddy that helps me out with all that kind of stuff whether it's

expectations or you know, how to deal with media, all different kinds of stuff and usually just stay in my own lane and keep doing what I'm doing. What's RV life been like for you? Do you try this thing from event to event? I've never driven up. Okay. We've ridden in it between events, Florida swings, Hilton had to Augusta. It's been great.

It's like having a hotel, your own hotel suite every week, but you get to put in your own bed and have it made up the way you want. I will say, like, the West Coast this year was pretty bad weather for the West Coast. And so it was kind of a mess there. It's a little more crowded in California, so we were a little further away at a couple of events. And then, when we got to Florida, the weather was fantastic. So we could open up the awnings, the TV outside, all the toys outside.

And it's been really nice just having consistency, weekend and week out, and not relying on certain hotels or houses and stuff. But I'm not sure how long it'll last, because we have a second one coming, and I don't see how you possibly do it with two a two-year-old and a one-year-old on it at different sleep schedules and all that so it may be short-lived, but it's been a blast this year.

What I'm gonna ask you guys to kind of riff on each other a little bit here and you know there's a lot of commentary online just about Scotty's action the foot action. It's different It's unique, but we kind of hear the same stuff when we tune on on TV as to what we see. How would you describe what has made his golf swing so successful? Because it looks unorthodox, I think, to some of us. I think we would probably hear that a lot, Scottie. Well, I think the footwork is a result of what it's necessary for him to do for the consistency he has.

He's got to get off that right side, totally onto the left, and he's able to hit, you know, play that super consistent kind of cut shot with the driver that he has, and then he's able to work the ball both ways at a very consistent level. I think the tempo, the set, I mean, Scottie's a grinder. He's always been somebody who, if anything, it's someone's had to pull him off the range versus ask him to practice more. When that happens, I feel like what he's doing is he's just getting that same rhythm, that same tempo, making sure that the timing of when things are set. I mean, I'm

speaking for him when he's right here, but to me, it seems like, you know, it's his way He knows how it works for him When I remember the same thing kind of happening to me on my left foot how I roll off or chicken wing and those were both weapons of mine That when I lost them a little bit I was playing worse golf and so actually getting them back is a better thing You talk about Justin Thomas the slow-mo of him being office feet when he's hitting driver Well, that's an advantage for him. He's using that ground force to push up. So I generate so much power. He just doesn't quite stay on the ground for it, which is pretty unique. But all these little things that are, you know, in quotes, not textbook are weapons that need to be, I think, looked at that way when they're done as well as he does them.

Are you still as confused as you seem to be confused, Scotty, when Tiger was telling you about not taking divots with the swing, because there's been many, many videos that I've seen since then that would disprove what he was talking about when he's flushing and he doesn't take divots. He looked confused in that video, were you as confused as it looked?

Yeah, so that was really early in the morning, and it was my first tailor-made shoot, and we had literally just gone from singing Christmas carols in like costumes. And then we go out to hit balls. I'd gotten in late the night before from a tournament, and now we're out on the range just warming up. I'm trying to like figure out what's going on,

what I'm doing. I look over and tigers not making divots, and I was like, what are you doing? And usually he gives me an answer this time he didn't. And so I haven't seen the video on what the look of my face was, but I'm sure I was pretty confused because I've asked some questions in the past and he's typically giving me answers in this time. He was just like, why do I need to make a divot?

And I was like, I'm asking you, man, tell me what you did. Do you understand it? I mean, I think to an extent maybe just his control at the bottom is so good and he gets, you know, maybe his hands in a position where he can have the art so low to the ground early enough and he can still hit the middle of the face without making a divot. At the same time, how many videos have you seen him take a massive pelt with like tons of spins? I think, I mean, I think he was probably messing with Scotty

to a degree. That's good. I do. I do. You're trying to figure that out at the moment. But I think he can do anything. So maybe, you know, maybe it was what he was trying to do at the time.

I don't know. I haven't seen the video either. I just know that there's definitely some level of him, him clowning with me at that time. Do you, do you guys like still still, I've seen videos of guys playing practice rounds and kind of messing around with different shots and stuff. And it seems like I'm kind of amazed at you guys

still seeming to be very curious about different techniques of the way to hit certain shots. Like, do you feel like you're still learning how to do specific stuff? Because again, we're talking to some of those who seems like he has the complete package at the same time. I feel like guys are always tinkering and learning new techniques in a weird way.

Yeah, I feel like I learn a lot by watching guys, and now that we're out on tour every week, I get to play with guys that are playing their best golf, and so I get to learn a lot just by watching, and I feel like I can see a lot of stuff, and then if I ever have a question, I'll ask, and most of the time people will give answers, sometimes they don't, but I always like I can see a lot of stuff, and then if I ever have a question, I'll ask, and most of the time people will give answers, sometimes they don't.

But I always like kind of just figuring out that type of information, like I've asked Jordan a ton of questions when we plug off here, just because it's a more relaxed atmosphere than an tournament. But yeah, I feel like I'm still learning. I like to know. Well, something you would ask him. Well, it's something you would want an example of or a technique wise. I mean, I feel like when we just play around out here,

the conditions change. Like in the winter time, we play this golf course. The greens are a little bit firmer in the summertime. There are a lot softer, so you're trying to take off spin. And so I just get curious just about what, I guess more so what's going through his mind on certain shots, especially when he gets around the greens and and on them. And so yeah, I love picking his brain.

Do you still feel like you're learning in that regard, Jordan? Yeah, I think so. I'll credit my coach Cameron a lot for certain shots, especially around the greens, where it might be a new way to hit a bunker shot that he's figured out will help get it higher, softer, and land it shorter. When you get in trouble, it's more like shots

when you're potentially in trouble or wider action. You know, when you get around the greens, it's not a golf swing. You know, they're all different shipping motions to create the loft and spin that you need or need to drop depending on the shot. So I feel like I've learned quite a bit from him on that.

I'll see some players do some things. I've historically been, it's been a character flaw of mine to be too stubborn to ask a lot of questions. Thinking like I already knew how to do everything. And then you see some guys hit shots and you're like, man, I think I know how you did that. And I'll just, you know, what were you thinking on that? And the thing is like, for us, it's, I could feel one thing.

And if he felt the same thing, it could be totally different, right? So when you ask somebody about their feels on it, it could help, but it may just be like, oh, that's actually doesn't work at all for me. But it's still worth, you know, asking those questions. I mean, Tom Kim, Asatana, he's one that, um, Asatana questions, but like, I'm envious of that at his age, because I think he'll, you know, he's got most every shot around the

greens. He's that's probably the most underrated part of his game, but he'll still be asking how you hit him, even though I just watched him hit it as well or better than I just did, you know, so I think it's something that even at 10 years in right now, it's useful for me to continue

to try to do. I feel like both of you guys in or in a way are kind of big brothering Tom Kim, a little bit here in Dallas. Is that, is that seem right? You guys were at dinner last week. What do you think? I think I've been dad and dad Scottie Scottie's been big brother. A quick break here to check in with our friends at Surf Pro.

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I think it's fair to say, I think we've talked about this before, Scotty, it was, you were probably the 12th man on the Ryder Cup team in 2021. I think that's probably an official statement. What was your role in anywhere in that process? I'm curious if any of the players kind of were in the captain's ear to say, like, hey, this dude's, he's not even close to his

ceiling yet, but he is the dude. Were you involved in any of that or what kind of, what was that process like? Yeah, I think East Lake, I remember Strik coming out when I was playing a practice round with Justin and talking to us about it. And, you know And I used to pick there, but Justin was automatically on, but I think I was close enough to where I think strict kind of was like, you're good. It was one of the, it's a weird scenario when you still need a pick, but you feel like you're on it and they're gonna pick you, like right now,

I think I'm at the key, I think I just got passed by Keegan, I think I'm like seventh or eighth. And so it's kind of a similar scenario. We keep on talking about the writer cup, but I'm not on the team yet. It'd be nice to get in the toughs point being, I remember him being out there in both of us being, you know, big time Scotty bandwagon saying, because it was tricky, because I think Sam Burns missed out, you know, they're really close. There's another, a number of other really good players

that were right around there and it was coming down to one or two spots at the end and just thought his ability to adapt in a team room, play with anybody, I thought a lot about 2014 for me. I didn't win that season in 2014, and then but I qualified via points for the team and the way I played it that the way I felt about that Ryder Cup I've talked about this a lot a lot of times I thought was pivotal in learning how to win the patience

and like every match feels like it's a Sunday coming down the stretch trying to win a golf tournament so you just don't really have that experience unless you don't have that anywhere else. And I thought it was a massive step in the right direction for me to learn how to close tournaments and to win at the professional level and end of 14 and to 15. And I don't know if Scotty felt that that was that,

I mean, it's easy to look at that and be like, oh, well, then look at his next couple of years. But that was the experience for me. And I think at the time, what's thinking, he doesn't need to do anything differently. And I think he'll see this at the Ryder Cup. He didn't need to change anything he was doing as far as his game. It was already good enough. It was just the Puts will go in one day. And then all of a sudden, you'll feel like a killer you know. Well it just seemed like a

changing of the guard moment in terms of I feel like pass writer cup teams would say never played in one and hasn't won yet and not get the consideration but it felt like you know obviously there was enough you would play awesome golf leading up to that point and it helped springboard you know your your career to this point what's it like for you Scotty you've been a part of one writer cup team you won 19 to nine when the biggest gaps that's happened yet. You're picking up on a team that, you know, you're going across the pond.

Teams you haven't been a part of. You haven't played on a way Ryder Cup yet. Yet the US hasn't won since 1993. So does it feel like you're carrying, you personally feel like you're carrying any burden over to Rome of any of that, or having not been a part of those teams does that help to not feel that?

I would say a burden would probably not be the way to describe it, but I'm definitely carrying something over because I've watched many of the Ryder cups that we've lost. And it's definitely frustrating as Ryder Cup, my favorite tournament, and I don't like losing whether or not I'm on the team or not. And that was something that we discussed. I felt like a lot after last year's Ryder Cup was, you know, we kind of protected our home turf and now we got to go over there and I mean, since 93 that's a long time, I feel like I don't want to last much longer than that.

So it's a foreshadowing because that was Leonard, wasn't it? No, that was 99. Tom Watson kept in Belfrey. Well, just the end of the year was also in the United States. It was also, it was it. Yeah. Well, because you took the mic, if I remember right in 2021, somebody was asked a question about unfinished business and it kind of felt to me like you went a little bit out of your way to be like, hand up here. Yeah, there is unfinished business. I was only one on that team that's lost two of them over there. Yeah. So it's all fun and

games. And then you go over there. And it's all fun and games, and then you go over there, and it's just not the same. I mean, we don't get in a way game in the sport of golf hardly ever. That's the only time we get one is team events played on foreign soil. And even the presence cup doesn't normally feel like in a way game.

I believe Canada probably will more than anywhere else. But yeah, I took it. And I think that because the question was about is this a new dynasty of, and it's like, no, because you have to win one over there and preferably a couple over there for it to really be that way. But it was a step in the right direction. It was Strait's. We're left to kind of talk about all this stuff and try to figure out, you know, what matters in terms of team makeup and who should make the team course about all this stuff and try to figure out, you know, what matters in terms of Team makeup and who should make the team course fit all this stuff and your guys mine kind of it's what what?

What is the public get wrong about how this works? Right I feel like every time somebody wins a tournament. It's like oh Well, he's now gonna be on the Ryder Cup team Would you guys rather have teammates that have like up and down hot, you know kind of peak weeks But aren't as consistent or do you want guys that are consistently, you know, top 10, top 20 more frequently if you had to choose between those two? I think that I'm not jealous of the captains in that scenario because the last few, it seemed like it's come down to four for two or three for one and it's like, man, how do you look and really crowded right now on the US side. That would be

answer the question. Who are you looking for out of the four out of the two out of the four or the one out of the three? And it's like, you just can't go wrong. That's the good news. But yeah, I was going to say looking back at the last one, if you went by like current form, I did not have a good playoff. I played good up until that point, but I think the last three events all I can think about was the Ryder Cup. I played just terrible. And so current forms also a tough one. I mean played good up until that point, but I think the last three events, all I can think about was the Ryder Cup, and I played just terrible.

And so current form's also a tough one. I mean, I think it's more of an attitude thing that you can kind of bring to the, whether or not a guy's gonna be good in the team room, how he's gonna be out there in his matches. I think playing good in the bigger tournaments is important. I mean, the majors are the most pressure that we face as players.

And so guys that can perform on that stage, I think are gonna be typically guys that we won on that team. But there's so much that goes into those last few spots that it's tough. How have you seen the team room evolve? You've been a lot of rider cup teams now. Does it feel different in there now? Yeah. You're as your first one? 14 first rider cup. Yeah. I played the presence cup in 13. The 14 rider cup was an interesting one. So I think it's interesting. Let's throw that one out. What was that team room like, though? Because everything changed after that point, right?

I remember the, how could you forget the post tournament press conference? Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. But Tom Watson's in the middle and Phil's on the far right side. Well, if you rewatch that, I'm sitting next to Zach Johnson in the middle. There's maybe one or two other guys in the far right side. Well, if you rewatch that, I'm sitting next to Zach Johnson in the middle.

There's maybe one or two other guys in the middle of this. And when Phil takes the mic and starts going, we can start kicking each other under the table. You can't see it. It was all draped. But we're kicking each other. And we're like, oh, here we go. This is going to be.

It's changed. Definitely for the better. I think at this point now you have most everybody is around the same age, grew up with each other, our friends. I won't be the youngest on the team, sorry, I won't be the oldest on this team, but I will have had probably the most cups of experience.

But that doesn't feel like the oldest. Yeah, but then you have a group of three or four guys that are Scottie's age, and then you have a bunch that are around 30, like 28 to 31, or whatever, call it. It's just, it's younger, it's more cordial, it's more fun. And then I think what I will say that I think that what the Ryder Cup committee has done since I think it was established in 16 18 15 after 14 right yeah was We I felt like at Whistling Straits we all were able to feel like we had the best chance to prepare individually

And have every opportunity to do what we wanted when we wanted how to recover access to. And that wasn't the case in the early ones. It was, no, the team's all going to do this here, this here. No, we can't get this. We can't get this. And since then, it's been, you know, we got two giant ice buckets to do ice baths on the floor that we're on.

Everyone's kind of got their own routine that makes them successful. But then once you do that collectively, you still have that feel like you're there fighting for the other guys. I think I never feel like I'm playing for my country in the right of cup. I feel like I'm playing for the other guys on that team more than anything else versus maybe how an Olympics would feel. There's continuity now too.

There's a lot of the same captains. It feels like, and this is not to say that they're necessarily bad in the team room, but Tiger and Field just took up a lot of energy. Everything in golf revolves around them when they're around. And if they're not, this was the first team that had neither of those two guys on it. And the energy felt different.

I'm not saying better or worse, but just felt totally different. I think Tiger's not getting any credit for how involved he was and how selfless it was for him not to come for almost that very reason and he recognized it. For somebody that great, he doesn't really, I don't feel he has an ego.

And he wants to win, and he felt like the best case was to not be a distraction by going, but I mean, he was super involved. And I don't know if people really realize that that much. As involved this year? I think he will be as much as anyone's willing to talk to him, Zach, or, you know, Strik and Tiger close, Zach and Tiger close, obviously, Freddie.

So I imagine he'll be pretty involved in helping them out, but he wasn't getting into our stuff. It was with the captains, you know? Scottie, if you look back at the first three majors of the year, you played really good golf in all three of them. Do you look back at the first three majors of the year, you played really good golf in all three of them. Do you look back at them fondly? Do you look back and feel like you've missed opportunities? Do you consider them successes so far this year? I'm wondering if we're taking stock as of today, what's your feeling? First three, I feel like I've played solid,

which is nice. I don't really look at success for, you know, wins and losses. I think I would say the last two majors, they were a success in my head because I approached them the right way. When I show up to an event, I try to have a good attitude. I try to approach my shots in a positive way and basically just stay in the moment and try and execute. I felt like the masters I didn't do as good of a job of that. I kind of got my own way a little bit.

Then the last two, I did a really a job of that, I kind of got my own way a little bit. And then the last two, I just, you know, I did a really good job of that. Good attitude, pretty much the whole way around. I stayed patient. You know, I just was a few shots off. I know I think I was two or three at the US Open. And I was about the same at the PGA. But yeah, I'm proud of my approach this week. So, yeah, I think I did a good job. It feels like right now you're in a window right now in major championships where leaderboard gravity as we call it. The more time goes on the more you kind of rise to the top of these things, right? It feels like you have, you know, the harder it gets, the better off you are. Do you feel that way? I like harder golf courses. I feel like I guess the last two weeks would be a good example

going from US Open to Travelers. The US Open open I felt like I could have a bad day and still be in the middle of the tournament. I think for me that day was Friday where the US open was different than a lot of majors in a sense where everybody who was up on top of the leaderboard kind of had what seemed like that one really hot day like when them had a hot first two rounds I think where he got all the way to leaderboard. Ricky had the really hot day the first round to get up to the top. I just never had that hot stretch. I kind of just played the consistent golf and I wasn't able to shoot a six or seven

hundred and make my way up there. But then you go to a tournament like Travelers and I have a bad day and I feel like I'm just I can't catch up. Whereas the US Open I played pretty poorly on Friday. I think it was my driver face caved in. I couldn't hit a fairway. I was hitting everything like 50 yards left of the fairway. I was able to get around the golf course and shoot one or two under just by scrambling. Whereas if I'm hitting everything 50 yards left of the fairway travelers, I can't make parties, I still make paurs that US Open you can get around making paurs and

still compete. Whereas some of the regular stops on tour, I feel like I have to be playing my best all the time pars and still compete. Whereas some of the regular stops on tour, I feel like I have to be playing my best all the time in order to compete. What would you describe your relationship either with putting or your putter at the moment? I know there's some flirting that's gone on with the other... Yeah, flirting's probably good way to describe it.

I've used the same style putter for maybe six or seven years. I switched to one at the US Open Ant Travelers. That was a similar shape to one that I used in high school. I won a US junior with a putter that was kind of a boxy shape. And for me, I just felt like I need to look at something a little different and the results were definitely better the last two weeks. I still didn't make enough putts to win the tournament, but I think I was above average. I don't know. I felt like I was, which is, you know, improvement from the weeks before that, but it's just, it's hard to make that many puts

when I'm hitting it as good as I am because you get, you get onto the greens. I can't really choose where you put from. I don't get to see any breaks. I'm playing late every single week and most of the guys you see playing late are making all the puts, whereas if the holes look a little smaller to me, all of a sudden the ball starts moving around late in the day,

it's not easy to make putts. I don't have really had too many of those rounds where you get out early and the greens are fresh and so there's a lot of different. That's good guys. I'll trade you. I'll trade you. I'll trade you. If you'd like.

No, but it's something that, because I have to tell myself these things, because if I look at the stats and it's like, oh my gosh, I'm putting terrible, but when I look back at how I felt on the greens, the only week where I felt really bad was probably memorial. Outside of that, I've actually felt like I've rolled it really nice. Like, PGI hit so many good putts. I think I lost that one by two. And I had two horrendous, horrendous horseshoes in the final round. I don't even know if they got them on the courage, but I had a terrible, terrible slow lip out on one,

and I had a trickle horseshoe down the hill on number nine, which I've never seen a ball trickle towards the hole in horseshoe. And so little stuff like that, sometimes those putts go in and then I gain momentum, and then I'm able to build up a lead like I did at the Masters, and sometimes the putts don't go in and you don't win,

but at the end of the day, the putts have to fall if you want to win tournaments. And so I'm proud of how I've just been able to put myself in position a lot this year. Yeah, it's they're getting to the hole and they're going right by the hole. It feels like you're not they're not far off. Right? That's got to be I guess how you handle that is becomes the comes of question. Well, yeah, puddings kind of difficult because it's the only part of the game where there's just finality attached to it.

If I hit a really good nine iron into the green and I hit it exactly how I want to, sometimes it goes to a couple feet and sometimes it goes to 15 feet, but no matter what I still have the opportunity. If I have a 10 footer and I hit a really good putt and I miss it, everybody's like, oh, how come he didn't make that putt? Whereas if I hit a really good nine iron, you guys don't really know the difference between you know three feet and 15 feet and sometimes it's even hard for us to tell. And so I'm trying to get, get out of my head that you have to make every putt and I have to win every tournament. It all goes back to the approach for me.

Soly hit one three feet versus 15 feet. He'll know the difference because it doesn't happen at all. Come on. Come on. I hit three feet. I'm going to break the, you know, you can break the three footer. Well, I hit three feet. Yeah, it does. It really does. I hit three feet. A couple Ray, you know, you can rate the three footer. Well, I hit three feet. Yeah, it does.

I hit three feet of couple and Jay-T. Miss the putt. I'm going to throw him under the bus because he's killing me that day. What's your relationship? You could have been my partner.

We had a lost in seven holes. That would have been very true. We didn't rebatch that one. That was a lot of fun. What's your relationship like with putting right now, Jordan? Yeah, good. It's, I guess, it's not really my place to chime in on

Scotties, but I will say like the strokes gains the the strokes gains statistic. It's nearly impossible to be in the top 30 or 40. If you're hitting the amount of greens, he's hitting relative to everybody else, it's just almost impossible because the puts the puts that he has on a green or a further average length because he's on more greens and regulation. So if you miss 515 footers, you're losing strokes versus I may have had 5, 6 footers and I made, you know, 4 of the 5 and I gain strokes.

Well, he would have made 4 of the 5 2. And then at the same time, so if you just took a stroke's gain and put everybody else in the same position on the green and one, you know, and two, whatever, I don't know if you're this is making sense. It does a little bit, but it strokes gained. I see what you're saying, right? You have a day where you have a bunch of six footers and you make them all, you're going to shoot up. And it's like, hey, I don't know if I'd have had the same day from 15 feet, but it's, I guess Strokes game does account for the fact that the thing I think that's tricky about it is being able to recognize that and being like Scotty saying,

like, I felt like I hit my lines that day and the speed I wanted to. The greens were a little beat up because I was late every single Sunday is pretty much what he's saying, but which is just fantastic. But my point is, if you go and you say, I don't do anything differently and they're going to go in, that's essentially what he's been doing the last couple of years and then when they do, he wins. I think there's something also to what you're saying, Scott. If you're hitting a lot of greens, you're not trying to leave

it below the hole. Well, you don't have as much control over it. No, you don't. If I'm hit, miss it green side and I'm chipping, you naturally know where to not put the ball. And that's something where if you're hitting a 600 into the green, you're just trying to kind of work it into an area and you're kind of left with whatever you have. But, you know, it was actually funny. John and I played together Sunday at Memorial and he putted really poorly at Memorial as well.

And so we were both out there after the rounds, multiple times together practicing our putting. And he said something really funny to me. He had a slow year on the greens last year, where he hit it really well and didn't put his best. And so that's why you didn't see the crazy amount of wins. And then all of a sudden, this year, he starts out beginning of the year and he's winning all the time.

And he said the difference between his putting last year versus this year is one 10 footer made, or two 10 footers made per tournament. Yep. It's crazy margin. And so it's funny how that stuff works. And like if I'm gonna sit back there, and it's stuff I talk to, or talk with Teddy about too,

don't overthink things, don't get too far into the data and put too much pressure on yourself. Like John said, the difference between last year and this year is one or two 10 footers of tournament, which is pretty easy. I'm pretty skewed. It's skewed, it's skewed, minorly skewed. It's a nice reference, but it can be skewed.

Well, I would take up all of your guys time if I had it, but I know we got a lot to get to in the rest of the day, but I appreciate you guys. I'm getting my putting. That's great. Yeah, you kind of dodged that question a little bit if I had it, but I know we got a lot to get to in the rest of the day, but I appreciate you guys. I'm getting it. That's great. You kind of dodged that question a little bit, but I just talked about the strategies, but we do have a shoot to get you guys to, so I appreciate the time, I'm sure the listeners

appreciate as well, and I'm excited to do a little ball testing with you guys this afternoon. I think we're going to have some fun. I guess we're going to hit some nine irons to see how close she can hit it, slowly. I already did my hitting, I'm done for the day, you guys are hitting the best of it so thanks guys see you. Better than most. Better than most.