No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 735: Ryder Cup Roundtable post Captains Picks

Episode Date: September 6, 2023

Each of the twelve man teams are set for Marco Simone - time for another Ryder Cup roundtable with Soly and Kyle Porter vs. Tron and Jamie Weir. We begin with Soly and Tron trading haymakers on Ludvig's inclusion on the European team and their respective histories of opinions on the Swedish Ryder Cup rookie. After the Ludvig shouting match concludes (28:00), we settle down for some additional thoughts on the makeup of the rosters, those who were considered and not selected, potential pairings and a ton more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. I'm not in. That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No-Lang podcast yet another Ryder Cup check. And is this our last one before the Ryder Cup? I don't know. It's September the 5th.

We have, I think we have a few things to talk about, of course, except so it's brought to you by our friends at BMW, a worldwide partner of the 2023 Ryder Cup. BMW will be electrifying the Ryder Cup with a fully electric fleet of vehicles for players and officials and podcasters this September. I only added one part of that. You can guess which maybe part that might be. I'm hoping it's case Sally here. Join us always across the pond by our guide Jamie Weir. Hello, Jamie. Hello, Europe calling. Glad to see you all. It's the last day of the summer holidays here. The kids are going back to school tomorrow and just a few weeks till Luke Donald's 12 heroes in blue school the US as well. So everything is rosy. Dangerous to put stuff that

bold on the record when I think we're going to have a lot of record reading back into this episode. Yeah. Order is here with a patented grin on his face? Hello, Kyle. Yeah, I'm doing well. I had a, I had an end of summer injury yesterday, Jamie. The older I get, the worse the injuries become in terms of how embarrassing they are. I was diving into the pool and I just like, I can't move my neck, my shoulder. It's kind of like when Cat won Tori in 2008, I'm just playing through it, getting to the end of this podcast. And I'm excited to, excited to talk about, you know, what's going to happen in Rome here in a few weeks. Similar to how Clayman hit Roy with a subpoena on Christmas Eve.

Like I got hit with basically hit with a subpoena over my Labor Day weekend. So I spent most of it working building the case of the outrageous charges that would lobby against me that I didn't get into by prosecutor Tron Clayman who is here. Hello, Tron. Oh, how about that guys? We did it. We did it. We rocked. I'm nervous about what that sound was and what it meant. I first of all, we have a lot to get into, but I cannot believe it has been. I think seven months since we've had an NFL game, I know you're big NFL guy, Jamie, but the good thing is that is over this week NFL is here in Draft King Sportsbook and official sports betting partner of the NFL is giving you a camp miss offer for week one.

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I'm just going to turn the floor over to Tron Carter. You can go wherever you like with this. The floor is truly yours. So before we do that, do you have anything to say? I am very excited for you, or I was very excited for you until you last out on social media and seemed very strongly disremembered or forget how this year has unfolded and the things that have been said.

So I was gonna give you the chance to make your case for what you're so upset about on what should be a celebratory day for you. I would have thought it would have been, but the way you chose to celebrate it was shocking and concerning. And I just, that's why I wanted to give you the chance to speak.

Yeah, well thank you for that. I listen, it is a celebratory day. I am so excited to be here today with with with my friend Jamie fellow Ludwig supporter. First of all, I want to address the the accusations that we've been like, no, not when real quick. Just want to note that one for to come back to you, but go ahead. His last name is Obersh, not Aberg. That's actually wrong as well. Okay. Yeah. It's actually, it's why I don't say I know Okay. Yeah. It's actually. I know we've got a lot of Swedish listeners. It's actually Oubry. This is going well for you. Oubry. The G is almost

like a Y Oubry. You've lost the jury. Okay. There you go. Well, my uncle, Pear has continually texted me and said, get his last name right. And I said, no, I'm just going to call him by his first name. He's one of those guys. He's like name R or tie. You're talking about where he explains it, right? You see, I'm sure. You've seen the video where he explains it. I have. I have. I still. I'm not gonna. Can you I'm not. I'm saying you can relay that if you really have seen it because I don't know if you have seen it. I have. I have. Because he it. I have because you address as he says like my American like I say Ludwig Aver in English. That's how you say my name. That's what I'm going off of. So everybody can can step off there. Anyway, I went back all the way to

the preview pots from 2021 and you know Kyle you said some things about, you know, kind of, first of all, we didn't even talk about Europe until an hour and 15 minutes. And actually, this isn't a wee thing. This is this is Kyle KVV and Sally didn't even get to Europe until an hour and 15 minutes into the preview pod in 2021. I spent a bunch of time shitting on Westwood and Polter, ignored any. How'd that go? What's the wreck?

Are you reading back things that we should regret because the youth is not. I'm just studying the context here. All right, this is, listen, the floor is mine, okay? Was this in the RV? No, no, I think this was, this was, actually, I'm not sure if this was in the RV or not. This might have been prior even to the week.

Okay. But Porter, you said quote, I don't see what the transition is beyond Hoveland. Sometimes I said, and then I'm thinking there, sometimes it's just not clean and there's not a break between eras. There's, you gotta have a transition or have a rough spell.

Sally was slurping the US team, calling for a decade of dominance. This was 83 minutes in. KVV had a great Mr. Player reference, took some shots at Poland, which I thought was maybe some great foreshadowing there. Then we get into the Saturday recap. From the RV, Randy and I, we went in on Rory. We told him to take a gap year in 2022 and

then you know, Lowry sat on a Saturday. We were appalled at that. Listening back, I was blown away at how much we were riding for Lowry. So that kind of goes into, I feel good, I feel better about him on the team now than I did prior to listening back to all this. And then three minutes left in the episode, Randy and I, once again, mentioned Ludwig. We said, hey, we, you know, there's this guy. We've been talking about him, Ludwig. He's coming. Da-da-da-da.

And we get to Sunday. Randy felt great about his decision to come over to the Euro side. Sally was saying, we a lot. And then 13 minutes in, I say, let's hold our horses on the US team. Things can change. Neil calling for Harmon to get on the US team.

I wanted to shout that out. Who agreed with that? Who agreed with me? That was sick. Say, and Sally agreed with him on that. Yeah, you nodded your head. Listen, Sally, this is going to be, this is going to become a theme of,

you know, you agree, but you can't quite stick your neck out. We'll get there. We'll get there. And then I said that this Ludwig guy that we keep referring to, Randy apologized to Stroke's gained. DJ was sort of pimping Paul Casey, which is insane. I had kind of a pull-ter moment. I said, pull-ter be on the team again. Then I mentioned the Hoigards. I mentioned Guido and then Cody somehow mentioned Tom Brady as some sort of model for Rory to look at. And, you know, he's got his family lives on his computer.

Anyway, episode 484. Oh my gosh, we're going through every episode. Yeah, so there's some good stuff in here. Sally calls out, Hovelin and Rory says it's different if they play well in Europe. You know, so Sally credit to you there. Going back and listening to all this stuff,

Sally, you were much more level headed and reasonable and logical. I think you're OD on reason and logic and rationality. You need to think with your heart a little bit more sometimes, okay? You need to go out on a limb, commit to things sometimes. So like the JT, like the JT thing? Yeah, sure. That's fine. October 18th. See, if I committed to Ludwig being on the European team, would that qualify? Like, when? Like what would a win would have been a good time to have done? Well, this is this is the key. This is the sticking point, right?

Yeah, yeah. He's a Johnny come lately as soon as the the wins of statistical and what a good time of the analysis. Maybe six to eight months ago. So when he was an amateur, an amateur golfer. Correct. Yeah, really stick your neck out. So you're, and this is only me you have this trouble with, right? The rest of the golfing world was saying Ludwig should be on the team in February or I didn't want to. So the rest of the golfing world isn't saying that this was obvious

and we saw this coming and got it out of the. If I would have hypothetically said like, hey, if like I love the idea of Ludwig being on the speed track and like if he shows anything when he turns pro put him on the team If I said that in February you'd be like fine with that Listen solid we're gonna get there, okay October 18th, 2022 TC Porter Jamie and Sally Jamie nailed some things there. I mentioned Ludwig a couple times. I said I'll stick up for ZJ

Then I said he's a total loser, but But his career arc kind of in the same breath. He leaves me thinking that he's, he's, you know, he'll be a good captain. I take that back. I said, there's stuck between generations, but it's changing this year. Jamie left left team Rose off, which I loved took Rasmus over Nikolai.

And Jamie, you are absolutely riding for Guido. I've never seen anybody ride for anybody like you are riding for Guido. I was riding for Noren. Jamie also said Noren, which was very interesting. We've already proved that my Swedish pronunciation is pretty spot on. You know, I was riding for Ludwig, basically the whole episode. If you want to go back 109 and 114, Sally said, Europe has irons in the fire. I'm a little bit concerned about the depth, but they're looking good. So they're going to show.

Sally, I'll give you that. We go to episode 615 after Torres Saus. I said, you know, I said Ludwig's going to be a generational talent. He's going to be a stalwart for the next 25 years. And then I came off of that and said 20 years. One big theme here is DJ just shits all over the Valsbar and all of our, uh, Ryder Cup stuff. DJ Anne Sali, it's disgusting. Episode 630, uh, about an hour and 27 minutes in.

Neil picks Ludwig to win on the PGA tour this year, which I thought was, you know, of wrong, extremely, extremely good. For the right, that did not happen, right? Yeah, it became close. It still could happen. I thought it was, you know, that's an example of Neil sticking his neck out

and making a call and sticking to it. Episode 647, this is where it gets really interesting. This is the Honda Classic recap. KVV, Neal and Sally list their European Ryder Cup teams. KVV is on Rose, Sep, and Power. Sally shits all over KVV for- Can't do it both ways. For picking set-

Is that speaking clearly? Is that speaking my mind? Is that speaking clearly on the topic? It is. Okay, so you are on the wrong side. I'm just really the other evidence out. No, it's not been played yet. I'm not that is yet to be proven. You are flying Neil. Neil puts Ludwig on his team. He was riding for Ludwig. Uh, it was, was it or do I have to play it? Wait, was the Honda two late or was that early enough? That was early enough. Hold on, hold on, and Sally says, if Ludwig shows anything,

shows some signs of life, take him, but that said he does not put them on the team. Let's, let's just go ahead. If I didn't have full confidence that you would relay the full quote. So I just, I have it here, and I'll just play it for everyone to hear themselves. Aberg, you listen, I think if he shows really any sign of life, when he makes it there, like, do it. Like, do it, put them on the spieth track. Like, spieth was on the 2013 president's cup team as a 19 year old, or maybe it's 20 at that point. I can do it, just freaking do it.

Like, you got, you have some spots to play with because you don't have like the incumbents sitting there that it's their spot to lose. It's kind of like, ah, do I need Thorbeurian Olson on the team? Or do I take a risk for the future or give somebody that has a chance to have a crazy good week? No, keep it going. That's replaying.

That's really, really. Oh, because then you, you pick your team and you don't put them on the team. That's the problem. You throw it out there and then you, and then you want to read back your teams that you've posted for the for eight weeks. Ludwig's on every single one of that's the only thing that matters. You could like that's the only thing that matters. You do not want to talk by it. I can't throw one qualifier in for an amateur golfer. If you would have shot the bed when he turned pro, you would have still like written for him to be on the team.

Well, no, I because I knew he wasn't going to shit the bed when he turned pro. That's that's the thing I believed in him. Congratulations. Whereas you walked up to the line, you kind of looked around and you said, Hey, I'm going to do this, but I'm going to qualify it. I knew there was zero zero percent chance of it. If he played poorly, he would be on the Ryder Cup team as a three, with three months as a professional.

You're prosecuting the wrong person here too, because there's something that's messing around with their light that has some quotes that are much more recent that are putting doubt in this. I don't know. It's a one list. It's malicious prosecution and you have a bone to pick with me specifically and the evidence is not supporting you sir. Solly, then, then two episodes later, episode 649, 35 minutes and we get the Ludwig talk after after I efficiently went on the leaderboard. This is like your bloody glove. He's all you said it's extremely impressive to see him doing this, but it's not like

he's a young block out there. He's 23. All right. He's he's a professional at this point. Like he's not even the youngest guy. The 19 complement. He was a professional playing amateur golf. How do you, how do you not see this? You can't even see the compliments. You're so driven by this. Eight. I went, I went back then and looked on Twitter. You have, you have tweeted his name twice.

Unfair. Like before the last week, you've tweeted his name twice, one of which was, it was making age-related jokes about him, which, which was making age-related jokes about him, which you've been prone to do. Going back to like 2014, 2015, when you were absolutely smitten with Brooks Kebka, I mean, you would tweet about Brooks nonstop. I just, I want you to, when he was winning,

if you're all about Ludwig, I want you to stand for something, man. I want you to put your neck out and believe in something, not just qualify. TC, are you a man of your word? Would you say you're a man of your word? I am. I'm a man of my word. I'm a man of faith.

Okay. Can I play something for you? Because I feel like we've litigated this and I feel like we've settled this. So if you allegedly as a man of your word, I've just done it, wasted 15 minutes of listeners time. I'd like to play this for you.

TC, can we call it truce on Ludwig? Nothing but the nicest things to say about him ever. And I'm getting bullied in our slack when he, for every good shot that he hits. And I just would like to declare my support for Ludwig in his career. I'm very excited about him. I want to be excited about him.

You are making me rude against him. And I just want to, I want to call off whatever beef we have over Ludwig and just I want to call for a truce here. Do you apologize for calling him old? I don't. He's really old. I don't want to call, I don't apologize at all. Do you apologize for fluffing Tom Kim? Absolutely not. And I don't want Tom Kim has to do with this.

I'm not going to be at an impasse there. I don't know what he have to do it this. I'm not being an impasse. I don't know what he has to do with this. Like the Wagner group. And that big is an incredible talent. I've decided that he's, I like the path to the PGA. It's worth through PGA to or you. I like the immediate like, I agree with you that this wasn't even a special week for him. And he finishes T 24. And I just, I want to be able to enjoy it.

And I don't want you, you don't want, you don't want that either. You won't, you don't want to deprive me of the joy of rooting for Ludwig. So I just want to ask that we get to that right here, right now. It's us against the world, baby. You know, no, I, I, I, I, I, Truce, sorry. Thank you.

That's big. That's, thank you. You know, you're a gentleman. Wow. Wow. Wow. You went back on your word, you continued to make fun of his age. I straight up said I you continued to make fun of his age.

I straight up said I wouldn't stop making fun of his age in the truce. Okay, the term, the terms of the truce, I went back and the record, I can't do this. I can't do this. I can't, I can't let you on the squad, man. I just can't. You went back, do you want to get to the record where I emphatically stated he should be on the team three months before anyone else? You said you said if he's playing well, put him on the table. You didn't say put him on this guy's show and recap. Dude, Ludwig's number nine on my list.

Like he's not even 12. No, he's not 12 spot. Like no way. Absolutely not. I mean, my list goes. Rom, Rory, Hovlin, Hatten,, Fitz, Tommy, Lowry Rose is the top eight. I think that's, I don't think anyone's going to have that. Same with you.

Yeah, same with you. Ludwig is a no-brainer. Like, there's no, almost nothing he could do between now and then that I wouldn't want to take him on the team. Like, the talent is obvious. And you are not going to have four other guys beat down the door and play that go to golf that have his high of a ceiling and could have the week he possibly has. And it's going to be a huge part of the future of this team as as as a burguis. There's there's he's he's he's dying

to get to the rider cup. He's so old. He's never been a part of one of these teams. I get it's time to get him in one of these. It look I don't even think there's a discussion at this point really because looking back on this, they're going to look so dumb by 2025, like, because he's going to be probably one of the top 10 players in the world by that point that they didn't have him on this team when they had an underdog team and they had no one that they just don't have the depth. Like it would Ludwig make the US team is an interesting question right now. Like, that would be a close call, but he's that level talent. And he just, you know, if he had enough starts to get it,

to get it done, he would take care of it. So that's eight, that's eight weeks ago, man. That's like seven or eight weeks ago. Like I like. You know, after he's played well in all of his pro stars. That was less than four pro starts, I think at that point. Well, again, he came think, at that point. Well, again, he came out and guns. What is the point here?

I just want you to, I want you to believe in him. You can't say that you believed in him all, all along. And then, and then, you know, basically, have I said, you've, you've, you've you've meddled it. I truly don't get your point. I moved to dismiss this case. You know, it's just, I'm just glad that I'm glad to see you back on the, the, Hey, you know, Europe needs to invest in the future.

I'm, I'm gutted for Rasmus. I think Rasmus should also be on that. I said that a year ago at the, I said you should go for the Hoi Guard twins or some upside picks in the bottom. You did say that. You did say that. Anyone else went away in here? Do you want to ride for your European here, man, Jamie?

Afternoon everyone. It's lovely to get a word of nature after 22 minutes. I've got two observations to make really. The first is I'm absolutely astounded. I mean, you're a new father, Sully, Tronscott, two kids, Porter, I mean, I think we've lost track of how many children Porter has,

but we're all busy, man. I'm astonished you've got this much free time to go back and listen to so many podcasts. The flip-up sections from podcasts. So hats off to you both. Secondly, look, unlike the pretzel here, I have to put my hands up and admit, I'm drawn, I didn't see it at all.

So, hats off to you. I mean, some obviously is an astounding call. You were doing this as, you know, a week after Wisting Strait, you were calling a Ludwig Aberg to be in the 2023 rider cup team. As recently as five months ago when he was still in amateur, I mean, I said, I just can't see it, you know, no, but it's unprecedented. No one turns pro and is on a rider cup team before even playing a major championship.

He's done it. So look, I have to take my hat off because I didn't believe in it and you've been saying it all along. I think it's an extraordinary call. I think everybody joking aside, I think it is one of the most extraordinary calls ever to have spotted this potential and have put your balls in the line and said, look, he's going to be on that rider cup team. It's extraordinary. There's never been anything like this at all in rider cup history.

To turn pro and June, I'll be playing your first rider cup in September. It's absolutely incredible. And this man told Schuster, I just called it from day one. I want to be clear. I made me cry. I think I made check in. DC said it was 50, 50 that he'd make the team. So he was kind of half literally half in half out on that one. So I just I mean, I was dismissive of it.

I was like, come on, Trone. He's not going to be in the right of cup. Don't be ridiculous. I'm a complete convert. So all I'm looking for is a little little little consideration. Solid just a little. This could have started that way. It would have been, dude, what an incredible call by you. You had to make it about me being

wrong about this, both in Slack and on Twitter for 24. You did this. Like, you know what, this reminded me of I'm watching suits right now when Lewis lit nails a great case, but totally blows the celebration and gets mad at everyone in the process. Like you did something good and you blew it and you needed to decide, is this a great call by you or is this something that was so obvious and missed by everyone else? Why can't you just gloat in your own great call? No, it's a great call. First of all, you got lit up, Sally. Secondly, I'm just I'm guarding against the pretzel here. You are the you are the pretzel. You are going to try to make this somehow. Hey, you know, I'm guarding against the pretzel here. You are the pretzel. You are gonna try to make this somehow, hey, I saw this coming, I also called this,

I'm trying to guard against that as well, because you're always, you just, you blow with, you go with the wins of statistical analysis, whatever the stats say, two or three months ago, the stats started to say that Ludwig, oh my God, maybe he is a generational talent, maybe he is one of the best players in the world. We actually have some sample size. We can move beyond the eye test and go into the data here. And the data is is actually backing up with TC is saying, maybe I should get on this, on this block as well.

So that's what that's what I'm kind of guarding against here is I'm you know, I'm defending the eye test. Don't bring block into it. I feel bad for you spending this much time. Go ahead Kyle. Okay, so this this feels a little bit like good after name, by the way, this feels a little bit like when somebody is in on a band that starts to block. And they went to like the second, like the, you know, there was a hundred people in this like base bar basement. And that person was there. And then their friend is, they told their friend about it.

And they go to like the third, the fourth concert. And they both kind of been in on it from the beginning and they start to blow up, they become this thing. But the first friend is like, yeah, but you weren't at the first one. You weren't at the, you weren't at the bar basement. You were at the one where there was like 500 people, but you weren't at the one with 100 people. That's what this feels like. I would say Sally was there at the arena for, you said, they try and discovered the Beatles. Basically. Yeah. Listen, I Listen, I wouldn't be doing this if Sally would have given me any sort of consideration

on Twitter or on previous podcasts or anything like that. There's been no even acknowledgement. Do you want me to replay us? Hey, no. I don't take really telling you. It's incredible. 26 minutes in and that's all we've done. We agree that you have missed everything I've ever said

because you have this enormous chip on your shoulder and I've refused to recognize how hard I've actually written for Lebic. Was I, you know, no one beat you. You were first to Adrian Dumont-Dates at Chassart. He didn't make the team. Like, we can do all of the one. He should have.

We can do all records of the guys you've written for that aren't on the team. And this is like a little bit like the guy that did the World Cup tweeting in 2014 where he tweeted all the possible results and then only highlighted the ones that actually hit and everyone thought it was scripted. Like we could do all the all the whole record. We could do two weeks ago, two people in this podcast bet their house that Adrian Murak was going to be on the team. We could do that one if you want to. I don't know. I didn't bet my house that he was going to be on the team. We could do that one if you want to. I don't know. I didn't bet my house that he was going to be on the team.

Oh, play it. Play it. Nope. Don't play it. I would put my house on agent Mirac making the team as well. Um, why you laugh at it? As soon as, as soon as the nobody's ever. Well, you know, I've got to you, Jamie. You're the same thing. She's got a nice hat on. Yeah, look, I got it wrong. Look, I'm mad enough to admit it. Fortunately for my children, my wife owns our house, I've got nothing to do with it at all. So I think we've still got a roof over our heads.

Look, are we moving on to Adrian Moroncle and Knight? Or are we still in the middle of it? Just missed the case. I'm trying to move on. All right, late listening I or are we still? I didn't dismiss the case. I'm trying to move on. All right. Late listening. I think we've done a lot of big up. We can come to we can come to some sort of settlement here out of court settlement.

He said, can I hit you with this? Listen, if Ludwig is a enormously key cog in flipping the rider cup, like that's where this goes back to, right? You were mad at that. I was dismissive of the Europeans chances two years ago. While you just heard of this Ludwig guy and you threw this out, literally you said in an up-odd like, hey, I'm just, you know, six to 12 months ago

and I was just blowing smoke up everyone's ass. This has materialized incredibly, incredibly. And he has made the team, listen, again, as somebody that's ruined for Ludwig, let's not fly the flag yet. If he's this good, like fly the flag when he goes three and one and Europe goes on to victory. At that point, it's like, yes, I will raise my hand.

You can play this exact section back like the Europeans gained depth over, gained some superstars over a two year span that I didn't see coming when we were sitting in the RV two years ago. I don't know if that's true enough for you, but listen, like if that doesn't happen, we're going to be right back here to be like, hey, you can't just celebrate a making the team. Like the point is to have an influence on this exact writer cup. When it's pretty damn crucial like the paths of the next several years.

I don't see him going three in one in room, by the way. I mean, I can't see him being baited. And I think you'll play all five sessions. So I can't see him going three in one. Perfect. Perfect. I put my I put my highs on it. I can't see I'm going three and one perfect I put my I put my hoist on it

Sounds like you need to call one of those numbers that's solid listen earlier Maybe he's gonna bet my house on Oh, let's get to the pigs a little bit. Thank you T.C. That's very big of you JB you wanted to bet your house on Adrian Murock last week, two weeks ago, that did not materialize. What happened? What changed? Look, I got a call wrong, and I thought he would be on the team. I think ultimately it came down to a call between Adrian Murong and Nikolai Hoigard, and I think in terms of their goal-fingibility at this moment, there's like a cigarette paper between them, but I think you can certainly make the argument that Nikolai is more explosive, has a higher

ceiling, has greater potential. And I asked Luke Donald about this yesterday, I said, do you have to factor in future planning as well? And obviously you're picking the 12th players that you think give you the best chance of winning the Ryder Cup in three weeks time, but he basically said, yeah, you know, you obviously are thinking 12 players that you think give you the best chance of winning the Ryder Cup in three weeks' time, but he basically said, yeah, you know, you obviously are thinking about the future as well. And do I feel a lot better about a 24-year-old Niklai Hoigard with an extra two years, PGA Tour Experience Under's belt,

having already experienced a Ryder Cup when he steps into the cauldron of, you know, some screaming New Yorkers and Beth Page in two years' time. Yeah, I absolutely do. And, you know, Niklai and Rasmus and Ludwig and Adrian Duman Deshasaar, they're going to be the backbone of European sides going forward for the next decade. So I can certainly understand the logic in picking Nikolai right now. As for Adrian Moronk, is he unlucky to miss out?

Yes, he's desperately unlucky to miss out. Of course he is. You know, we've spoken about the fact that he's one run, Marcus Amune, he's been a runner up around there as well. His game suits that course. He hits it long, he hits it straight, you know, he's got so many things going in his favor. He's won three big tournaments in the last 15 months. The Irish open, he's defending this week, the Australian open, you know, up against Adam Scott in his own backyard and he holds him off the stretch. up against Adam Scott in his own backyard and he holds him off down the stretch. You're the Italian Open obviously as well. But I've heard this word deserved a lot over the last 24 hours.

He deserved to be in the team. Let's get one thing clear. You only deserve to be in the team if you're one of the six who qualify. If you don't qualify, then you can't really have any quibbles. It's in the lap of the gods. And ultimately for Edge and Maronque, had he actually committed to the DP World Tour throughout the year as Bob McIntyre did, he probably would have had Bob's spot.

He was offered a few invites on the PJ Tour at Riv, at the Arnold Palmer Honda, I think. He came and played all of those. Had he stayed and played in Europe and that stretch, he probably would have had the points to get the final automatic spot. So look, he will have been devastated last night. I've got no data about it, but you're only really deserving of a spot if you qualify. And I think, you know, it was ultimately a call between those two. I, you know, as recently as last week, obviously, I thought Adrian Moronke was a shoe in, but I'm excited about seeing Nikolai Hoigard out there who's also one run that course. Yes, I am. T.C. What's your reaction? Yeah, pretty similar. I think what I'd rather have

Moronc than Big Shot Bob. I'm not sure. I think there's there's Jamie, that's a great point. I saw Ben Cully tweeting that as well. Hey, if Moronc doesn't take the Ahonda Genesis, Bay Hill, doesn't take the Honda Genesis Bay Hill invites didn't play well in a couple of the invites finished T14 at Honda, Miss the Cut at Bay Hill, T17 at the match play. And then like, but you know, Mrs. The Cut at US Open, Mrs. The Canadian Open, Mrs. The Cut at the Masters, wins the Italian Open in the midst there. It's a mixed bag with with moronk. I feel like he's 30, 31. I'd rather have Nikolai on the team,

especially knowing that Rasmus is coming down the pipeline as well, especially Nikolai is kind of the higher upside more volatile of the two as well. I also think it's underrated that Rasmus can come along and you could probably switch them interchangeably, right? And I think they're like very, very identical. And we've spoken about,

I believe that golf course is, it's difficult to go five sessions. If you just try to nickel out in the morning, four sims, Rasmus out in the afternoon, four balls, who's ever gonna know? Exactly. Exactly. Go ahead ahead. I mean, Rasmus, Rasmus has fallen off big time, right?

I mean, he has a bit, yeah. You wanna talk about form difference. And that's where like, I feel like Nikolai has been, I'm in complete agreement because to the point of, you kind of, I forget where we talked about this, like when you kind of have a little bit of a back of the baseball card, you know, you kind of know what Adrian Moronke is. I would put him in the category of to Arbione Olesen, of Victor Perez,

like these guys that are kind of like, we kind of know what your ceiling probably is. We don't know what Nikolai Hoigard says. And you like his ascension over the last year of like basically, he went from a very, very well below average professional. I know he's extremely young, but like he was not performing, he's performing way below average to like being well above average now. And like ascending to like two strokes year-over-year is massive, and you don't know when that's going to stop. So like this is a totally fair and fine bet. Exactly what I said a year ago, like what Europe should be looking to do

is find the young, punchy upstart guys that have big upside like again, I know it doesn't feel this way, but Europe is the underdog and like you I as a somebody room for the Americans, I would have been happier if they took moron than I would if they took a high upside guy like Nikolai who we guard. I think what you're saying, so Lee and I completely agree with is on I mean this is with the with the greatest possible respect for Agent Moron, who's a really nice guy, but I could see him being a kind of one and done writer cup guy playing one writer cup. And then that's kind of it. Nick Lai could see playing six or seven writer cups. If his career arc progresses, you know, he's he won his first tournament, he did 20, you know, he's he's already kind

of an established figure on the DP World Tour and now as a PGA tour card as well. And he's 22 years old. So yeah, I sort of picked for the future, and as I said, Luke Donald kind of said this to me in his many words yesterday, I think that's kind of what you're bearing in mind. You know, he's gonna have to go into a bear pit and two years time in upstate New York,

and he's gonna have some right-of-cup experience under his belt. One thing that people have been just kind of getting wrong over the last, not to go back into the JT stuff, but there are different reasons to pick players, right? You're not picking the seventh guy for the same reason as you're picking the 12th guy. And I think we've been describing the same reasoning

or whatever to everybody uniformly. And that's just wrong. Like you pick Justin Rose for a different reason than you pick Ludwig or Nikolai Holygar. You know, like they're just different reasons to do those things. So I think when people look at this uniformly and say, well, Adrian Moranquiz, one more or his numbers were better or whatever, like that's, that is a reason to pick a player, but it's not necessarily the reason you should pick the 11th and 12th guys. A quick break here to check in with our friends at Woop, the official fitness wearable of the PGA tour.

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Of like saying, like, Hey, here's how here's how and what is the goal you're going to play, right? I mean, I, we just did a deep dive into last four European Ryder cups and man going through like Hal Tom Watson came up with his pairings versus like how the US team does it now and I'm speaking to the US team because I don't know how Europe does specifically but I thought it was very telling that Padre Harrington ended the 2021 Ryder Cup saying they've basically copied our model like all of our advantage is gone in this because they're doing the

exact same thing we are which is like to say say, hey, here's some scenario planning. Here is who Sam Burns could be playing with and likely we'll be playing with. Here's what our plan is and here's a different scenario. And when we go into that scenario, here's the downstream effect of this. Here's who is gonna have to sit if we're gonna play Sam Burns two sessions

when we were originally playing one. So when Tom Watson benched Jordan's beef and Patrick Reed, he couldn't name who he subbed in for that team in the press conference. He didn't remember who he put in because he also ran Phil and Keegan back out and it was a total gut feel thing and that has changed completely.

So it's all to say, I think that there is, to exactly your point of whoever is feeling this final role, they probably, I would, I would bet my house on it that they have a decent plan for how they're going to use that person. It's not going to be, I doubt it's, hey, Nikolai, you're either playing one or four matches. Like, I bet it's, it's probably, I don't know what the plan would be. I'll throw out the scenario. It's probably like, hey, you're only playing four ball and you're going to play it with this person because you cover Berk, five, he covers birdies on par three. That's like how it works.

Plus, you know, the data tells us we can accurately measure how all these guys have performed relative to the fields they've played in over 72 whole stroke play tournaments over the course of the last however many months. The intangibles are how they're going to cope in a rider cup environment, how they pair up with people, what they're like in a team room, what they're like, you know, I've heard a lot of people over the last 24 say I cannot believe in a Ryder Cup environment, how they pair up with people, what they're like in a team room, what they're like. You know, I've heard a lot of people over the last 24 hours say, I cannot believe Shane Laurie's got to pick.

Well, Shane Laurie plays with alongside against these guys weekend week out. He's not going to be face standing on the first tee alongside Scotty Schaeffler, Brooks Keppga Jordan's speech. Whereas Adrian Moronke, that's kind of new company for him. He's not used to playing against those guys. And he've also got to put yourself in the mindset of the opposition. Like who would the US least like to face? Or, you know, if it's going down the stretch in a Sunday,

Adrian Moronque or Shane Laurie, or, you know, whoever, in certain name here, you know, so there are so many intangibles that you need to factor in as well. The day to tells you one thing, but it doesn't tell you the entire picture. And I think part of the beauty of the writer cup is that it is not, you can't manipulate it

in a completely in a money ball way, right? You look at the MBA and the end result of their money ball era has been will just shoot layups and three pointers. And you're like, that's not that boring, like that kind of sucks, right? And I think that one of the reason we're so compelled by the writer cup is you can't just strokes game that you can't just data.

And this is what I've come around on this. I think I used to be more in that camp that you could. And after watching all of these listening to the heroes, reading Shane Ryan's books about the writer cup, you're like, that's not how it, I mean, it works like that in that week in that you need to have the right parents and all that stuff, but that's not how the actual writer cup works. Like, you have to put together a team of individuals that really is a team and that truly like cares about the event and each other and all that. And I think those two things combined, the dataification and the team and tangible type stuff is one of the reasons that the Ryder Cup is so cool.

And that's where a frustrating part of the last several months has been, well, you only want to use the data when it supports your decision. It's kind of like, well, I mean, who in the right mind would think that it's only about the data, right? If you've heard this podcast and thought that that has been my take, like I would respectfully disagree with that, like it's a component of the decision, right?

If you are gonna bypass a dude that's data is incredible, you better have a pretty damn good reason. And if you're gonna take a guy whose data looks horrible, you better have a pretty damn good reason. And I would venture to say the US team has a pretty damn good reason to take somebody like JT whose form has dipped incredibly. It's because his like median level golf

is different than Tony Fienauss, right? Tony Fienauss did not survive a dip in his play. JT could survive a dip in his play. Do you see if you want to go back to a year ago? I named five guys that if they're like, if they played like shit in 2023, are probably still going to get penciled in the Ryder Cup team. It was Sheffler, Cantler, Zander, JT, and Speed.

I said, that's probably the reality of it. Those guys can survive a really bad year. I didn't think JT's year was going to be this bad, but they're going to have a role for them. It's going to be, is it going to be playing a speed? I would guess so, but they may have a total trick up, not a trick up there. So they may have a totally different plan for saying,

like, hey, JT, you drive it this far. We want to hide your putting and so and so, putts really well on green speeds that the Europeans are gonna have. Like that's the granular level of how they're gonna come up with this stuff. So I guess I don't know, I'm gonna flip this into an American like just seen the reaction to the American how the Americans have done things has been shocking to me in terms of how little faith American quote golf fans have in the process at all, which I guess if you look only at the past, if you write a cup, I understand that, but not seeing that there's been a change in how this is done. Will it work? Is the big question?

I'm not flying a victory flag early. I'm super curious, but they kind of deserve a fresh start, Kyle. Do you think that you've come around on that, or do you think you've met, oh yeah. Like when for you specifically was the shift of all of that way of thinking? September, 2020 Paul McGinley interview episode.

That was when it was like, he laid out like a six minute clip of how he handled Victor Dubu-San and Grammack Dout. And he was flying to Malaysia to spend time with, to Malaysia to spend time with Victor Dubeson flying to Monaco and Having a meeting with Victor Dubeson talking about his plan going to Graham McDowell being like hey, you're a top dog But you're only gonna play for some with Victor Dubeson and here's what's gonna happen You're gonna win those two matches you guys pair great because the parrhoves blah blah and I'm sending you out first US is gonna send a dog tired and they look again some of this might be revisionist history

But they're gonna send a dog tired guy out look, again, some of this might be revisionist history, but they're going to send a dog tired guy out first. Jordan Speed got three up on them. GMAC roared back and won the match and they went three and it was just like execution of something like that is just again, so polar opposite to how the US did it in 2014 that it is how you, I guess I've always I've not been one to subscribe to like, Ra Ra great chemistry, great friendships in the team room translates to good golf, but that kind of insight into how you can use personal relationships to elevate how somebody actually plays on the golf course was a clicking moment for me.

I just don't think it's as simple as a lot of people want to make it. Jamie. I've got a feeling though, Sully and you know, you referred to the fact that Paul Drake said a couple of years ago, or the USA seems to have susbed what we've done, that they're just copying what we do. Now, I think Steve Stricker was an excellent captain and got so many calls, right? I also think that anybody could have won that Ryder Cup because of the relative strengths of the side and the form in which they arrived.

It whistling straights. However, and this is kind of just a hunch, and it's probably a hunch I'm basing purely off that absolute shambolic press conference a week or so ago, but I just can't imagine that Zach Johnson's maybe moving away from that a bit more and just kind of doing things on God Instinct rather than reading into the data. Like for me, I can't look at my head run, look, and they've got far more detailed numbers than I do. I just can't get my head run, how come young isn't on that team with how his game sets up for that golf course. It smacks the Scotty Shefferson. I want my buddy San Burns and the team and Scotty Shefferson getting his way. I mean, Keegan

Bradley, the way he drives a golf ball, look, I get it. They've got incredible strength in depth. And either way, you're going to leave off a couple of absolute studs. I just from, in particular, Zach Johnson's answer to the question he was asked about, analytics, when he kind of went, oh, well, it's just, it's sort of numbers and stuff and you wouldn't really understand. I kind of just get the impression that he's not really going down in that room at this time and he's just kind of flying by the seat of his pants.

Maybe that's being incredibly unfair. I could just, I'll, TC real quick, just to that. I can definitively say that's not the case, right? Like, it is, the US is almost like, they're being almost like two-coil, right? Or like two, his press conference was horrific because they are super afraid of passing out any kind of information, right?

Like, I've had some conversations with people involved in the process, and they won't share information with me. Like, they'll give you an idea as to like, how things work and how things like the scenario planning and, you know, looking into biases and looking into biases and looking into all kinds of things that are like, it's not like the scouting team just says, here's the data, do something with it.

They are involved in how they're constructing the team and how the game planning and what Europe's gonna do and what Europe typically does. And blah, like this whole scenario planning situation, again, is, I don't know if it's gonna work. I think I just have a lot more faith in how it works than this whole boys club thing has really gotten to me because it's all...

No, I don't think there's a boys club. Like, it's mostly from the US side of people that haven't spoken to anyone involved in how the process works at all, just saying like, oh, they're just picking their friends. It's like, man, like go have some background conversations with some of these people and come back. And like, if you still feel that way,

I would be very, very, very surprised, but at least like seek the information and how it's done. And it's a little, as way more complicated, I can guarantee you that than just Skydish Eiffler is picked to be Sam Burns' pick just to be Skydish Eiffler's pinky, TC. I think there's two, two, everything's going on here.

I think, Tony, I totally agree and understand what you're saying as far as Zach's. There's a lot more going on than what he's letting on. He's also not helping himself by saying, like, yeah, my boy Ricky or like he's, like Zach is nails on a chalkboard. I mean, it is, it's so bad, man, and it's only going to get worse. Stricker lost every press conference, 6 and 4. And I had the same panic going into Wistig Straits. I was a podger, just talk circles around them.

And I don't, and now I'm not gonna put it any way. I'm gonna give, ZJ has, even if he's blocked me on Twitter for never tweeting at him, I'm gonna give him this fair crack at Captain hit. But also, I think that the European team might be on to version 2.0 or 3.0. If hey, this is how we were doing it two to four years ago, we need to evolve even more. But also, I think that the European team might be on to version 2.0 or 3.0. This is how we were doing it two to four years ago.

We need to evolve even more. We need to move down. And really, they're on probably a six to eight year cycle now versus just, hey, what do we want to do this time? That's where Nikolai comes in and all that. Luke Donald, like you look at his career, I mean, him getting number one in the world, I think is one of the most underrated accomplishments in golf for the last 20 years. Also, I just want to take one more moment to shit

on the PGA of America's Captain's Pick release press conference. It was awful. It was horrific. That Zoom call was like one of the worst produced things I've ever seen since the last I did on the flip side the European team. It was it was majestic. I know we have a Sky Sports presenter produced by Sky Sports. My joystick. But it was it was it was fantastic. Just so well put together. So well produced. just so well put together, so well produced. You know, I think there's, there's something there.

There's something, there's, there's a sense of class, a sense of organization, a sense of personality there that you can't, you can't, you can't buy a class. Understate. Exactly. All right. Yeah. It's a point for Europe. They won the introductory press conference, the television rollout here.

Yeah, that's, I also feel like we've got some some serious momentum going in. The fact that Yonic Paul that we survived that that Yonic Paul scared. I wanted to point that out. If you again, I know you just listened to this TC. We talked in the RV in 2021 about how Europe needed to revamp their process for qualification. They had four European picks and four guys that came off the Europe list in 2021 and five that came off the world list and only three Captain's picks. If that would have been the case again, if they'd rolled the same thing back, Yannick Paul would have qualified in the four spot and Big Shot Bob would have qualified in the three spot. Instead, you had the Captain pick flexibility to add guys that look is a great thing for the European tour. Maybe not like less emphasis on playing golf in European tours. We saw for major in Maronque, but you got a better.

Or more, you could argue because if Adrian Maronque had actually played in the European tour, he'd probably have got into the team. Yeah, so it's a double-edged sword, isn't it? But yeah, I think the six and six is a really good way to do it. Going forward, I mean, you could even argue that there should be an extra place in the world, points list, maybe five picks or whatever. But yeah, with the greatest respect,

the panic poll, we slightly dodged a bill at there because I think he would have been, he's never been in that elevated company before. I got a question for Team Euro. How come there was not more talk around Alexander Bjork? Like he was somebody that, if you look at the numbers, the finishes, like he was playing very good golf on the European tour, but I didn't, I didn't hear his name once over the last six months.

That's a good question. I would say for the same reasons I'm kind of alluded to with Moron, which is just Alexander Bjork is a tremendously successful European tour player and he's fantastic at that level. I kind of think that's his ceiling. I'm not sure how he would cope in a rider-cup environment. I'm not sure how he would cope having, you know, sharing a team room with Rory Michael, Roy John, Ram, Victor Houghland and being standing opposite the first tee opposite Scotty, Sheffield, Patrick Cantlay, Brooks Keppga, you know, he's not used to playing at that level and yeah, he's had a really consistent season. He hasn't missed a cut in 12 months. You know, he doesn't miss a fairway.

The guy is just metronomic, but I just think, you know, do I feel better about having, you know, rolling the dice and having somebody explosive and unpredictable like Nikolae Hoegard and my team over somebody where I kind of know what I'm gonna get from Alexander Bjork? Yeah, I probably do. Yeah, I think it's something too. There's there's probably some course stuff.

I was going to say, right? They went for I was going to be or kiss like 15 yards below average of professional golf and driving. Yeah. And it's very accurate. And they went with Nikolai Hoygard, who is way longer than than average and horrific accuracy. So that probably speaks to something they know about the golf course that we don't sit in here. And can I just say it's interesting because so many people's decisions were being informed over the weekend of how guys were getting on or on Chrome Circe air, which could not be more different as golf course to Marcus Amune. And they said, well, what about Alexander Bior? He's doing really well on Switzerland. I was like, yeah, you know,

Chrome Montana is pretty different to what he's gonna face in Rome. And that makes Ludwig's achievement in winning right there even more incredible. I think he was on the team regardless of what he did in Switzerland, but to go in there to basically look down and call them out and say, look,

come over and play in the Czech Republic and in Switzerland. You're pretty much in my thoughts already, but if you just come over and show a bit of commitment, and I just need that final little bit of proof so that to rubber stamp the decision. And then he goes in last week at a course that doesn't necessarily suit his game.

He rattles off four birdies in his last five holes to win his first of what is going to be many, many events. I mean, it is absolutely incredible stuff, and this guy is just going to be a superstar. I'm glad I pulled DC off the 50, 50 or whether or not he's going to make the team. I'm going to hell. Yeah. Here we go. No, it's, it's very much, you know, Ludwig does this after a bar storming summer of, you know, plays all over the place. What? I mean, he played, all right. He played, he turns pro. He plays Canada, travelers, rocket, uh, John Deere, Scottish

show, plays five weeks in a row, takes a week off. How many times did he have? Uh, he had a T4 at John Deere. He made every cut in those. He missed, missed Scottish cut. And then, you know, the Saturdays weren't good. It comes over. Jamie, you glossed over his T4 in the Czech Republic as well. He's, you know, back-to-back masters appearances. T4 at the Czech masters wins the European masters on a course that doesn't necessarily suit

him. win the European masters on a course that doesn't necessarily suit him puts to bed. The, you know, didn't even play well on Saturday on, he was one over on the par fives on Saturday on a course that doesn't necessarily suit him. But you know, I think that is the sign of a generational talent. Like you say the phrase course that doesn't necessarily suit him. I think he's one of those guys that will perform around any court. I know this is incredibly early in his career to be saying this, but you mentioned that he played in Detroit. That was where Luke Donald played with him and Luke

came away from that week saying it's like watching Rory when you first burst onto the scene. This guy's ceiling is so high and Rory's that kind of player as well. You know, there's not a course that doesn't suit Rory. Rory's won around so many different types of golf course. And I kind of feel as if, you know, there's not a course that doesn't suit Rory. Rory's won around so many different types of golf course. And I kind of feel as if, you know, we talk about Ludwig Aver, well, he drives it a country mile, gum bar, straight. Well, you don't need to do that wrong, Chrome Montana. And he's still won around there. I mean, he can't help but be incredibly excited about this guy's future. I think Luke Donald might be more enamored of Ludwig than Tron is. The way he was speaking about him,

the- Not sure that's possible, but yeah. The FaceTime, the behind-the-scenes FaceTime call that he did with him, he was all in. Using the word generational talent was suspect. Like, is T.C. controlling this? Like, does he provide in the script for this? I was-

Okay, I had to take on this. I think that we are under rating Tron's call providing the script for this? I was... Okay, I had a take on this. I think that we are under rating Tron's call. It was an, like, to make the call of, and I know he made, I've got a list of calls that he made, both... I make a lot of calls, but I don't make them over and over and over again.

For sure. And I'm giving you credit for that. To make a call on somebody who was a sophomore at Texas Tech during During Whistling Straits to be on the Ryder Cup team two years later is you said it earlier, Jamie, but it's pretty insane. Like it's crazy. Especially when when in May of 2023, he's still in amateur. It's the most it's the most incredible call I've ever experienced. He was amazing. He was playing in the Thunderbird Collegiate. I'm flushing. I'm supposed to get by. And he's playing, he's playing match play. Can we go back to really quick where it's like I will give him a hundred percent credit for sticking with it for that long. The origination was how bad Europe was getting their

brain speed in and somebody told him about Ludwig the week of the writer. There's guys coming right now, Albert Hansen. He's going to be on the next. There we go. There we go. So it's going to be so bad. The setup at Bethpage is going to be an atrocity. You're going for it with, you're going with David Puyish as well.

And to your time, aren't you? I am. I mean, listen, I would argue that I think, you know, obviously live with Peters and pulling some of these guys away from the European team. I would say that live has hurt the European team just as much by Bryson not being on the US team, by Patrick Reed not being on the US team,

by some of these guys that could have automatically qualified. They took all the decades. They took all the decades. Exactly. Yeah, it's like your camaraderie is going to be so much better now because these guys didn't have a chance of being on the team, you know. I'm just now realizing trance tweet about how Ludwig was the master's champ. I thought that was a prediction, but it was a declaration.

It was the amazing master's.. I thought you were, I thought that was a prediction, but it was a declaration. It was, it was the amazing. He's got right. It might have been a prediction as well. Right. Jack, baby. But I do think so as much as we're under rating, I don't know if we're under rating, it's being rated very highly. Trance call. I wonder if we're over rating like who Ludwig is as a player right now. I don't think he's played all that well like versus his ceiling. I don't think his approach play and his putting has been up to snuff as of yet. Like he's played with his big game. I agree, but that's what I'm saying is like right now.

Like I think his ceiling is very high. Just like what is his actual imprint gonna be on the 2023 writer cup? That's kind of been my point. It's like it's, it's, well, like we will see what's about to happen. Like I, I would expect him to play well because I would say like, I've been saying for quite some time they should put him on the team. I expect that. But it's still a question mark right here. This is, you can have the victory lap the Monday after if, or Sunday night, if that is the case,

if he goes and dominates this thing. You know, I know we joke about the I test, but the thing that I see already with Ludwig Aberg is he just has that kind of indefinable X factor. There is just something about the way that he carries himself, the fact that so early in his pro career, every single step up that he's taken, he's been completely unfazed. I don't know if you're watching, I don't know what coverage you watched of the final round at Kroner, even if you did, but on Sky Sports, good parlor mind, Josh Antman was doing the kind of in-rind interviews. He interviews Ludwig as he's walking off the ninth tee and the cameraman stacked it. The cameraman fell backwards

in the air like, you know, they had to abort the interview. No, most guys, most experienced guys when you're right in the heat of trying to win a tournament would be like, all right, lads, sorry, look, I've got to know I get my game face on. I'm trying to focus on winning a tournament here. Low figures just like, oh, first of all, the camera, are you okay? Picked him off of the grind. He's like, let's just do it off the 10th tea instead and just did it 15 minutes later. And he's just like, he's so cool and relayed back. Like there's, he's, he's completely unflappable.

He takes everything in his stride. And I think that is almost more impressive to me than the actual golf. But, you look, T to green, he's, he's right up there with, I think, the very best players in the world at the moment. The short game, the potting needs masses of improvement. But around room, do I seem being an absolute stud in four sims in particular? Yeah, I do. I'd say Tito fairway. It's there. Yeah. Prochie is not in there so far. But that's the thing. I think the approach play is that that's in there. That's before we realized he just hasn't really showed it the last. And I think part of that is he played five weeks in a row.

Bad habits make creep in your press in a little bit. All that stuff. He's got he's got he's got three weeks now to kind of tidy things up. But you also take like what I again, going back to like how this fits in, they can take him. If they, I get, I don't know what they're going to do. If they want to play him in ForSums and they can set the tease to play, you know, there's going to be a bunch of different drivable par fours up there. If they want to make them the odd holes and have him go off those, I mean, I have to do the math really quick on. I think both three of the par threes are odd holes. So maybe you have him go off the even holes, which would

be the part, the drivable par four, 16th, they can make six hole drivable. I've heard they may do that. 18 is a reachable par five. That's an even hole. You can do all kinds of things to again highlight his main skill, which is being incredibly long and wildly accurate for how long he hits it. I think what's so funny about the Ryder Cup sometimes is how much oxygen we give to the 10th, 11th, 12th guys. I mean, we're talking about Bill Weddington

and Ron Harper instead of MJ and Eddie. And the reason for that is because those guys are just, like they're just sort of built in baked into the event, like the, the chef, there's the Rory, the hop on all that. But we, like the only guys that we talk about are guys that are going to play a combined, I don't know, five matchless, we're doing, no, because it's we're reacting to the picks, right? I'm sure.

I'm sure we're talking about the big guys. Yeah. Yeah. Said though, I think Ludwig, I like, I would have no problem putting him out four times because it's like he's got young legs. It's all right. You're cheating on his, his approach play a little bit here, but like his approach play forever. Yeah, versus what his ceiling is, but, you know, like he, and yes, he needs to clean up some of his par-fives stuff as well. Like he's, I think he's got one of the worst stats on tour of when he lays up for a par five, his scoring average is awful.

When he goes for a par five, I think he's like best in the world. So it's kind of some of the course management stuff there, but going back to Cron, like he just played on a Cron course that kept the driver in the bag for more holes than a typical course does. And he, he, you know, just one, I mean, that's that's a credit to his approach play right there. I think you pair him up with, shit, you could put him with Tommy in a four ball or you put him with, I mean, you can put him with anybody on this team, right? That's the crazy part is he pairs with everybody gets

along with everybody. He's, he's so malleable. He's got young legs. I think you put him out probably Friday morning, you know, like, like Friday, got young legs. I think you put him out probably Friday morning, you know, like, like Friday, four sams. And then you put him out both rounds Saturday and then Sunday singles. I love big and Victor. Yeah. I would love it. The Scandinavian. So many birdies assassins. It I would be surprised. I was wrong about this at Whistling, but I would be surprised if anyone went out five sessions, right, with how much of Simone is. It's, it's, it's exhausting. It really is. We'll see. I don't know. I think, I think the big European boys, I think Rory Rahm, Hoveland, Rory Agaite, as soon as I say that. But, um, I, as I've already established

Nikolai slash Rasmus, we'll go out for five sessions. All right. Quick. So real quick, talking about SAP real quick, because I think SAP is an interesting case as well. We haven't talked SAP. We haven't talked team roles. Anybody but Ludwig. Yeah, which is, you know, that's the end. Solid, thank you for calling them Ludwig, not Ludwig.

Two years ago, when you were also calling him that, when we just first heard about him, yes. Hey, Solid, your point like from, you know, in the kind of the post game of the 2021 rider cup, you said like if, if Rory and Hoveland and those guys played better and, you know, ROM, like it's a totally different game and Porter, you just said it. Like I think I'll take those top three versus anybody plus the way that Fleetwood's playing right now. If it's Patrick seems to be informed, you know, keen to see what Hatton does. He's a bulldog, obviously. You've got Lowry. Team Rose concerns me a little bit, you know, I'll be honest there. And then I think the most

fascinating guy on this entire Ryder Cup, both both sides Bob McIntyre. I think the most fascinating guy on this entire rider cup, both sides, Bob McIntyre. I think it is the ultimate like heart versus data, because the data is not good. Is his heart too big, Tron? Because are you worried about that? But also look at the Scottish open, right? Look at that finish. Like he answers the bell when it's time to answer the bell. This is floor low as fuck. Absolutely.

I would, I would venture to say, you know, needing a good tournament to make sure you make the team on points would be, you know, answering the bell. Like we just, you're pulling out right out here of in July of yes, he had answered the bell there, but he didn't answer the bell in Switzerland and he almost made the call. He had a bounce back in play. There was always a bounce to make. I think to slowly slightly defend Bob there, I think there's no doubt he slightly got right a cup fever. And as that finish line got closer, he definitely tightened up and it's easier to be the

chaser than the chaste, the hunter than the hunted. And I think because he had not the third and final spot, he kind of felt a lot of pressure to hold on to it. And look, there's no doubt that the data tells its own story. He hasn't been playing great. But I think I said in the previous part, the fact that he performed when I know the pressure would be now to its most intense at the Italian Open last year in a field that contained Rory McAulroy, Matt Fitzpatrick, Victor Hoveland, when he knows Ligdon would have been watching. He went and won that tournament. His home open, which he was for him, the tournament he wants to win more than any other outside of the majors. And

he goes and has that unbelievable final ride, which had it not been for a miraculous finish from Rory. He would have won the Scottish Open. Like to perform when the pressure is on at that intensity, tells me that Bob will be like a doctor or to write a cup. Look, it could be that any place once on the Friday and the Saturday and then plays in the singles. He's not in the same stratosphere

some of the guys in that European team. There's no question about it, but I don't think he's a liability either. Yeah. And I mean, T4 at the check masters as well. Like that's a, that was points related as well. Yeah. You need to play well there.

I think Bob fits so squarely and like, dude, match plays different, man. Like I, I, yeah, I'd be super hesitant to just be like, yeah, he's, I mean, yeah, his out, his numbers are the biggest outlier of anyone in terms of data golf rank and, and, you know, all that. But like, he makes a lot of mid-range puts, which can be really nice in four balls. Yeah, it depends on what you're up to. What you didn't do at all at Wistwick straights. And you know what, speaking of Wistwick straights, just very quickly, I think I said this in the previous pod as well, that the seven guys who are on that team that are on this team, I think are all in a better place than they were two years ago. I hadn't even realized, look, the World Rankings only tells one side of the story, obviously, but Jamie Kennedy tweeted last night.

John Ram was the only goal for Europe had in the top 13 in the world rankings going into twisting straights. I'm assuming. Rory. Rory must have been number 14 at the time or something. I hadn't realized it was that bad. So, you know, there's no doubt about it. The teams are much more evenly matched this time. Yeah, I think one thing that's one thing that's interesting about that, I was looking this up last night, the average age of the teams has shifted a lot as well. So 2021, Europe was I think 34 and a half average age,

and the US was right at like 29. So there was like over a five year difference. And now Europe is actually the younger team Europe is average age of With Ludwig. Yeah, it is crazy Europe it yeah the old ass. I thought about that phrase for too many days after our last podcast Europe is right at 30 and the US is a little bit over 30. So I think that is, you mentioned this on Twitter yesterday. So the generational sort of sea change.

And it had to happen, right? It had to, it had to, you had to have that not just because of live, but because guys were, I mean, Westwood is what? Like 50 Polters, like 48. I mean, those guys are, they shouldn't have any more what? Like 50 Polters, like 48. I mean, those guys are, they shouldn't have any more Ryder cups in them. So I think that shift is, I don't know what it means, but I think it's super interesting to kind of follow as we go into the next few years of Ryder cups. And that's where 2021 was good for the Euros in a way of like cleansing, right? It's all, and again, those guys went to live and eliminated the decision really anyways, but like cleansing of being like, all right, very clearly that's the and eliminated the decision really anyways. But like cleansing up being like,

all right, very clearly that's the end of the road for this set of people. And we need to replace them, right? Which is like, we're 2018. The US kind of got caught in between, but like Phil, it was one rider cup too many. And I, cat, again, I was supportive of both of those picks, but like, it's just really, really hard to unseat

people with that kind of profile. But I'll also say, poor app, good. So it's just really, really hard to unseat people with that kind of profile. But I'll also say poor, I'm just, go ahead. So I was just going to say, I kind of think we give live too much oxygen in this whole debate, because I think lives kind of irrelevant. Like, it's maybe relevant from a vice-capancy, capancy point if you're going forward for Europe. But Lee Westwood, Ian Polter, Sergio Garcia, Paul Casey, it was the end of the road for them two years ago. And you know, they've all been what? Sergio, though, the Sergio, Sergio's kind of a bit of an ointment, but Sergio, you know, solely that John Rahm kind of carried that

pairing, but it was a nice, Sergio it, anything, it made it cleaner, right? It made the transition much cleaner. But the debate over Sergio, Nikolai and, and Ludwig in this, like in this writer cup would have been fascinating, right? That would have been like kind of an all-time veteran versus newcomer debate. And I, I mean, as just somebody who enjoys making content and yelling about this stuff, it would have been fun to yell about. But I don't know that, I think you're right, Jamie. I don't know how much of like a actual

barring it would have had on the playing of the writer cut. I just feel as if everything has its natural shelf life and those guys who were incredible loyal servants to the European writer cut team for two decades and the backbone of so many successful European teams, they'd reach the end of the road at Whistling Straits. That enough. That was obvious there long before the Saudis even came on to the scene. I think it's also, you know, burned Weasberger went on three at Whistling Straits. Paul Casey went on four. Paul Casey seated up four times at Whistling Straits and was an absolute disgrace. So trading those guys out for young talent, for young guys, for team room guys, I'm like, I'm about ready to run through a wall right here. I'm so

fucking amped up guys. Like, I've convinced myself that this thing's not even going to be close. We got dogs. Wow. Are you, will you apologize for Vsburger in 2021? Oh, certainly, certainly, I will certainly apologize. We've got to, we've got to better all straight in this time of the run. What are I'm saying? Exactly.

It's all certain worth noting, like, Havelin was a rookie and didn't play all that well. Like, Havelin, I think Havelin and Sheffler are probably right up there is like two of the best players in the world right now. And I would love to see them play singles. I think that'd be a fascinating matter. We've said this at every stop of like, as much as I want to crow about 19 to nine, like

the COVID thing was just a nightmare for the Europeans. And it just was a perfect storm of of a horrible year of travel. And really, I think we two years of remove we can be kind of forgetful about how tough that whole process was, and it was way harder on Europe than it was on the United States. I don't put a ton in like the fact that there weren't European fans there. I don't think that really affects the play that much

as it is just, dude, those dudes had it horrific traveling back and forth across the ocean over the course of that year, and it just affected all of them. I mean, not in just the Ryder Cup. I mean, you did one guy in the top 13 in the world. Are you kidding me? That was just a really, really messed up year.

But Porter, I'm curious your reaction on this. Like, I am finding it. I felt like, all right, so much of my Ryder Cup angst and passion came from like, dude, I needed, Pulters had on a pike. I needed it, I needed his Ryder Cup career to end with a loss and it did with a 19-9 absolute beat down

I kind of feel like checked off in that regard and I don't have the same Hate or the same like angst around this event. I don't have the same like dude I really want to beat blank on Europe this go around because I fuck now like like like 90 I think 90% of the team I'm like, I'm like like I'm like, like, Rudy against Rory. Like I, Brahms, which, which 10% of the team do you know? I thought, thanks the question. Rose, maybe like, it's a weird, weird conundrum come at rolling into this one where it's like, dude, I don't feel like there's anything. Obviously, they need to win in Europe. And I'm super curious for that part. But like, personally, anyone on that team, even the captains, they're none of them are captains, right?

And like that is, I don't know, I'm struggling with that this go around. Do you feel any of that? Yeah, I think that's, that there's part of that. It's always been true, right? I go back to Hazel team in 2016 and the Euro press conference afterwards. And you're just sitting in there and you're like, yeah, these guys are so much more likeable and then like, you know like all the other teams. And so I do think it has shifted from,

it's more fun to see them lose than for us to win. Like I think that used to be like what you were kind of going for, what was kind of the case. And I think now it's shifted back to, I honestly, I think the 30 years thing is we'll be sort of the rallying cry more than like Polter and Westwood, and Stinson and Rose and all that stuff.

So it's maybe not as like sports hatred fund, but it doesn't mean that there's not something to kind of ride for going into the event. And I do think it's, again, I've tried to scream this from the rooftops. I do not know what's going to happen. My official prediction is that the US is going to win. I've not wavered off that one. Even if TC, you said that it was going to be a tie and the US was going to,

no, you said it was going to be a tie and you've twisted back into now the Europe is going to blow them out. So I've not wavered off that because I, because I I'm anchoring myself and like, dude, it is the first one of these that you're that the US has come over with a team that looks like this that doesn't have a Matt Kutcher that doesn't have a Bubba that doesn't have a Web Simpson, doesn't have a Phil, doesn't have a Tiger. It the only guy going over that has a losing record in writer cups is Ricky. He's three seven and five. that's not good. I'm concerned with Ricky going into this, of course, but they're bringing a totally different team over.

They're bringing a team over with a guys that have had success in Europe. They, you know, JT and Speed have had success when they've gone over to Europe. And I, it's the first time they've gone over without a team that has a losing record as a group. And it's a decidedly strong winning record. Maybe over the influence by 2021,

but like it is a little bit of a fresh start, Jamie. I would just say further to that, we make a lot of the 30 years since the US won on European soil thing. And it was 12 years before that, the previous time they won on European soil. I'm 40 years old, and the US of when you won on European soil

once in my entire lifetime. Actually, this US team is probably the closest to that 1981 Walton Heath team, which has spoken about the greatest rider cup team of all time when I think 11 of the US team either were or would go on to be major champions. Those are the only two times the US has won on European soil since it's been Europe against the US since it was rebranded from GB and I. So there's a reason it doesn't happen an awful lot. It is, for some reason, the US have found it far harder to win in European soil than we

have winning over there. This is their best chance because I think this team is the strongest. They've had it in all of our entire lifetimes. Yeah, it might be the strongest. I definitely think it's the most focused, though, because I think if team is the strongest they've had it in all of our entire lifetimes. Yeah, it might be the strongest. I definitely think it's the most focused, though, because I think if you go back to, I go back to the press conference at Whistling Straits where somebody asked the guys on the podium, hey, do you need to win in Europe? And somebody, I think it was a zander kind of deflected

and SpeedTicket was like, yo, we need to win in Europe. Like that's like as fun as this was, as great as 19 to nine was, we have to go and win in Europe. And SpeedTicket was kind of the adult in the room, maybe the only one who wasn't drunk in the room at that time. But like, I think this is a team that you go back to 2018 and before that, and they had the, you've talked about this, Jamie, they had the Tiger Phil Blackhole, right? And those guys, I think it was always a little awkward for them to completely buy in,

because at the beginning of their careers, they, that was not the status quo. And now it is. Like, everybody on this team, and they show it in different ways, Buzander and Cantler showed it in a different way than JT and Speed, but they're all incredibly focused on like, hey, the Ryder Cup matters. Like it's a meaningful thing. And that just hasn't been fully the case in Europe since I've been following and covering and doing all this.

And I think that, I don't know if they're the best team, maybe they are, but I think they're the most focused one, which I think it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. That said, there's also some, there's more question or something that would have been otherwise, where you got Wyndham Clark going over, he's kind of an unknown quantity. You got Harman who, you know, I think he's gonna be a bulldog

in a match play, but not a great course fit as far as from a driving perspective. I think the guy that like kind of a weird question mark is Brooks, right? Like Brooks has not been playing good golf. He's played very, very poorly in the last two lip events. He didn't play well at the open championship. You know, he's got a new born at home like that.

There's a lot there, a lot of eyes on him. Conversely, I think the guy that this course would probably suit to a tee is Colin Moore Kahla, especially with, you know, short part fours and just accurate driving of a certain distance. I think he's primed for a bit. especially with, you know, short par fours and just accurate driving of a certain distance, I think he's he's primed for a certain. I've heard about the course fit is that the fairway's pinch at a certain distance that like you're accuracy with your less than driver clubs is also a what a something that's going to get factored in, right? So again, I certainly don't have that data of who's the best three wood players and things like that. But it goes to say, like, I agree with you on more cowat.

Like, I could see him playing a lot of golf on the US side. But it, it, it, I, if the US doesn't win this one in Europe, I'm done predicting that they'll win one in Europe. Like, it, it, it, there's truly something in the, in the water, whatever you want to say, and like, that you're just not going to play good golf over there. Like, you, you go over and you've puckered so many times. I guess where I'm convincing myself as like the group that has puckered is not the one making the trip, right? It's, Rice and was Owen three in France. He's not going. Fina was two and one. He's not going, but DJ was one in four.

He's not going. Mikkelson, Owen two, Reed one and two. Webb was two and one, he's obviously not going, Bubba one and two and Tiger O and four. Like, it was those are the dudes that anchored you the last time you crossed over and correct me if I'm wrong. I just don't think the golf national and Marco Simone are going to have the same impact. I think the profiles of the teams aren't as stark as they were then. Like, that Europe built a team for accuracy around that golf course. They've not followed the accuracy model necessarily for this one because I don't think the same emphasis is going to be there. Does that seem right, Jamie? I think the puckering and the anchoring in the past came down to as much the goalfers themselves on their attributes as to that, we've kind of spoken with that, that indefinable quantity, that team spirit,

quote unquote, which, you know, because in my entire lifetime, with a couple of exceptions, maybe, the US has always been the stronger team on paper, but Europe have turned the tables on them so many times because we sussed that team chemistry, that leave your egos at the door, where, you know, we're a team and, you know, the bonds that are formed over the course that week, and you know, it all sounds very cliched and trite, but it's true. The US were we're a team, and the bombs that are formed over the course that weekend, it also sounds very cliched and trite, but it's true. The US were very much a team of 12 individuals. They've sussed that now, and I think we've spoken about that in the past. I came away from wasting straights a couple of years ago thinking, oh, shit, these guys are not all pals again, and that's not great for Europe going forward. So I think

they've sussed that. I think that's the one big difference for the US on European soil this time as to any other time in European soil that I can remember and which I think gives them a huge advantage. So I think there's also something there where like Scotty, Zander, Cantler and Warcoa were all Ryder Cup rookies last time around. So we don't know if they've puckered or not.

That's what I'm saying. It's a one a start for so much of this. I just don't again, every say no matter what happens, you know, it's something freaky happens over there, like Dustin Johnson and Brooks kept to fight each other. Patrick Reed throws a tantrum because he has to play with tiger fucking woods. Like it, it something horrible happens every time. Like we just got done rehashing it. And it's remarkable. But I guess my plea is to the quote unquote, American golf fans that are rooting for the team, which most of them seem to be rooting against them

is like, I do have a little, I have some faith in the process. I have some faith in how they've put this together. It is decidedly, again, the boys club stuff is some of the worst discourse I think I can ever recall and golf, the lead up into the right, every rider cup is always a joke. Last time we were doing Kevin Nah and Kevin Kisner versus Scottie Schoeller. Yeah, it's always a joke. But this go around has been like stunning in terms of I guess there's just so much scar tissue from losing so many Europeans in a row that like that people have not noticed how the how, how the process has changed, right?

And I can't speak to like, like these guys were involved, like the consultants were involved in France and that didn't go well. But I want to believe that there is lessons to be learned from that that are gonna hopefully pay off in this one. I'd love to hope in a DeLorean and go back

and know what Ryder cup team selections were like before Twitter, because it seems that everybody just now, like everybody is entitled to opinion, don't get me wrong, but it's like Dave who watches the maybe the majors and occasionally watches a bit of golf on a Sunday afternoon, if it fits into schedule, suddenly has an opinion now. Like a lot of it is just factually not true. Like you find, think this, you're more than titled a believe it, but what you're saying just does not match up with actual reality. And I think pre-social media with the world is probably

a lot happier place, just generally speaking, not even just talking about golf. Yeah, poor athletic great tweet. He said the discourse around JT today feels like an old PFT comment or bit. ZJ should have just taken 11 fullbacks and deli. Maybe it's it's so inconsistent is the part that gets me is like again, I put I put KVB through this quiz of like, Hey, all right, Porter, who is the most well respected captain of the US in the last 30 years, the one that's tip of the tongue for everyone? Who is it? Paul Ezeringer. How did he fill out his captain's picks?

He left the players pick. With that, the origination of the boys club, because that team went and ran a mock against Fowdo and his squad. And like, no one's mad about that. But all of a sudden, again, it's not even accurate to how the process works. But now it's a boys club. If these guys end up taking their friends instead of, you know, it's not the genius of Paul Azinger gracing the team, but I think some of it is, people just don't like JT. Yes. That's that's so much of it.

And I think the, but the burn for the fact that it's a bad thing was weird also. Yeah. That's fair. I think, I think the JT thing though is, is like, listen, I understand why people think it looks a certain way. But what Tronja said of like, yo, Scabbie hadn't been in Europe, more Kawa hasn't been in Europe. Like all these guys need, and I've written about this a ton, but like they need somebody to look to when it's going badly on Saturday afternoon or Sunday afternoon or whatever.

And JT's that guy. Like it doesn't mean he's gonna go 4-0. I just, I think that, like, I've been trying not to do this, but I've been, I've gotten so many people sending me, oh, Lucas Glover stats compared to JT's. I know, I, like, I can read. No one is not aware of that. There's not one.

I understand, like, what you're saying, but that's not the reason that JT was picked. Right. You know, like that, there's, and this is what the US has missed over and over and over and over and over again. Like they, they've just, it willfully ignored it for 20 years of like it's not just who plays like the best stroke play golf over 70s you whole events. That's not it. It is having a team that gives a crap about the event, that gives a crap about each other. And Europe has yelled that out loud for 20 straight years.

And the US fans are still like, well, I think we, I don't think that works. And you're like, we have all the evidence in the world that it works. And so finally, they didn't do that. And it doesn't look like they didn't do that because it's JT. And I get all that. But they actually went way off the board. And I think I don't know if ZJ is going to be a good captain, but I think he deserves credit for that. If boys club is essentially a term for picking players who are comfortable in each other's company, then I think boys club is not a bad thing.

That's what the writer cup comes down to, team chemistry. And that's what we've sussed for the best part of 40 years. I want the US only just getting their heads run. Yeah. Jamie, in years where Polter had not stellar stroke play years, when he would get captain's picks, where Europeans upset about it. Was there a debate about that? Like, can you give us a history look back on that? I can't think back to, you know, ride a cup to the mid-naughty or whatever, but I know that five

years ago when Thomas picked, I think it was Handrake, Polter, Sergio, like he got pelters for all those picks. Why are you not picking Matt Wallis? He's in hot form. He's just one in Denmark. Why are you not picking such and such and such and such? And like he said, look, we're picking them because they've performed on this stage so many times before. They know what it's like to pull on that blue jumper and go out and deliver and they did again. So what I find staggering as well is,

you know, I'm done not replying to the tweets, but over the last 24 hours, the month done not replying to the tweets, but over the last 24 hours, the month of tweets I've had to reply to saying, it's ridiculous that Shane Laurie's got a pick ahead of Adrian Moronc. Well, it's absolutely not ridiculous that Shane Laurie's got a pick ahead of Adrian Moronc because one, he has right a cup experience, he's a major champion. He's Shane fucking Laurie. he plays in the PJ tour weekend. We got against these guys, you know, that we know how high his ceiling is. He's not just, he feels like he hasn't been playing well for the last couple of months. Yeah, but he has been playing exceptionally well for five years. He has got a body of work that you can lean back on now. Oh, and by

the way, if you actually look at the data, he's played better than Adrian Moronco here as well. Like when they've been in comparative events, when they've been in the same field, he's out perform Adrian Moronco. Okay, Adrian Moronco isn't gets a fifth in the KLM open in Holland. Well, Shane's 12th place in the Scottish open is better than that. He's made against a much stronger field. So I just, I find it remarkable that people, as Kyle said earlier on, people are picked for different reasons.

And you need to make up that team in the best way possible. And I don't know if we want to go through the other European picks. I for me, none of them were controversial at all. I agree. I think Stracco, like, Stracco is going to be a, a, a, a, a, a machine, right? Or, you know, or, love said, or, sorry, or or ball machine just birdies out the ass like he could be. You you put him out against Brooks and he just completely neutralizes Brooks. I think he's kind of a similar, you know, profile there. Uh, you know, I just know, I just know all the sets as well. You know, I think a lot of people on this side of the pond,

he's not a household name in the same way as Tommy or Shane or Justin Rosar. But Sepstruck, as you guys know, has been performing on the PGA tour for the last two years. He's the world number 23. He won the John Deere earlier this summer, runner up in the open, made it to the tour championship. I think he had the sixth best score of the week at the tour championship. As Tron says, he makes birdies for fun. But I think a lot of the reticence on this side of the pond was, oh, but is he really European enough? You know, he speaks with a thick Georgia accent or whatever. Like he grew up in Austria. He left at the edge of 14, I think. And he just never has had an Austrian accent. You know, if you hear Victor Houghland speak English, or if you hear Ludwig Aberg speak English, they speak it with an

American accent. It's a product of where they went to college and seps no different from that but I spoke to Feno last week. I said, is he sort of, would he be one of the guys though? And Feno is like, he is such a good dude. Thormin, I played with him at the Olympics. He is so proud to be Austrian. He's so proud to be European. And he's going to be, I think, a great fixture in that team room. I think he's going to be a really popular member of the team room. But I and he's going to be, I think, a great fixture in that team room. I think he's going to be a really popular member of the team room, but I think he's also going to be just dangerous around that course. He's going to make birdies out of his ass.

Jamie, how do we feel about about team rows? Look, again, he's picked for a reason. There's already four rookies in the team. I think he'd have been mad to pick another rookie ahead of somebody who's playing in a sixth Ryder Cup, who's been there, seen it done, it got the T-shirt, knows what it's like, has one Ryder Cups. Again, a big name, a big game player, a major champion, somebody who's unfazed playing against these American guys weekend week out. So I don't think you leave someone like Justin Rose at home. And actually, statistically, he's actually had

a pretty good season. Obviously, he won a Pebble Beach. He's had a couple of good finishes in the majors as well. Okay, he hasn't been great in recent weeks, but again, he's Justin fucking Rose. Like he's a former role number one. He's a big game player. He's stayed committed. He could have nailed it in.

He could have gone and gotten a big check and he hasn't. And he's doubled down in his game and he's he's found form and I respect that. He's doing his corny ass social media stuff this week with the team rose stuff. I don't think it could be understated. How many corny things is EJ is probably going to do throughout the week and there's going to be some sort of uniform kerfuffle or it's going to be something that's just so cringe worthy that it's going to it's going gonna really give the European team some life. The ZJ thing is so interesting to me, Tron,

because if it's true that you've got all these behind the scenes, data guys, and people coordinating, basically you've got offensive and defensive coordinators and position coaches and all this stuff, like you want your captain to be the guy that presents well, and he's like, kinda does the opposite. It's kinda like Jay Monnan. Didn't trick her back.

Yeah, but Stryker was at least earnest. Stryker was like heartfelt and earnest. So you just thirsty. And so you just like, I don't know, even the introductory, the captain's picks press conference was not good. It was like, like, weird, V bad. Yeah.

In the hair plugs, like the amount of hair plugs that he has, I think we're getting replies to something. I think Andy, Andy and Paul, I've mentioned this, I think on the shotgun start, like he has got the potential to do something extraordinary, to be the first US captain to win on European soil in 30 years. And like his resume is all rightly like I know he loved to share on ZJ, but he's won a Masters around Augusta. He's won an open championship around the all course, and he could be about to be a winning captain on European soil. That puts him in like a different stratosphere of achievements in his career.

He can command whatever fee he wants for after dinner speaking for the rest of his life. So you know that he must be fully, you know, even just purely for his own self interest. He must be so invested in this. But he just comes off. Right. It's horrible. But here's where I have faith. Kyle, like, I don't think he has a team that he's presented with a bunch of tough option or tough decisions,

right? Like, yeah, you look at what you're right over. It's like, dude, what do I do with Phil and Bryson and Bubba and Webb and Tiger? Like, how do I, how do I navigate that versus like the US team seems pretty malleable. Like it seems like there's not a ton of, you know, do I go with the old guy or the young rookie, you know, the speed three, sitting versus, you know, whatever happened in 2014, like it just seems like the decisions won't be, they're not obvious, but there's not a lot of bad options to throw out there.

It just, I don't know, I struggle to see, it'd be pretty hard to find guys that don't, with the information they have and how well the team seems to get along. They'd be tough to find parings that were like blatantly, it's hard to get wrong. Yeah, I think it's still pods. I don't know. I don't know that. I don't really think so because I think they view it pretty differently between

ForSums and ForBall. And they're, you know, if you remember 2021, I mean, Speed and Reed played ForSums in the morning and then JT and Cantley went out in the afternoon and Speed and Kevka played together, right? Because I assume that's because they said, actually, your guys ForBall data doesn't match up the same way your ForSums does. And I think that was a little outside the box. I didn't go great.

So I don't know if they abandoned that this go around. But I think it is again, such a different scenario than any time they've gone over. I know I keep saying that. I know we spend a lot of time, I talking about the bottom few guys. I still think that's really important because like if I look back to 2021, the Rory, Hovelins and, and, and Roms just had to carry so much burden., and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, When you're 910-11, 12th guy is a very serious dude and not like what the Europe has on the bottom of it. It's just adds a whole different layer of performance, right? You end up looking at the top guys' records in some of these and be like, oh, yeah, I mean

Rory was a bit of an anchor, Hovelin was horrible, but it's like, I actually put more of that on the bottom of how the team filled out than I do strictly on the performance of the top guys. I think there's really something to that. How do you feel about it? What do you think of the Burns pick? Were you surprised by that? A little bit. Yeah, I was a little bit surprised.

I think it's who I wanted them to pick. I've not been compelled by Cam Young as a player this year or as even like one of the, part of the president's couple last year. I think in retrospect, having watched the video that you and DJ did at Marcos Simone and read more about the course and all these different things, I think Cam Young would have, I think that would have made a ton of sense. But I'm not, I don't think Sam Burns is like some, you know, crazy, like, oh, I can't believe they took him over Cam Young.

I think people got on the Cam Young thing. You said this, Sally, I think on the deep dive thing, apart with KBV, because Fred Couples said that he's gonna be on the team. And it's like, and we even talked about this, like, wait a second, came Young, so it's gonna lock, like because he's, he popped up at the open and kind of at the, at the John Deere,

but he didn't really do a ton between, off top of my head, between the masters and now. So, I don't know, I could have gone either way with that. I think Sam Burns. He was in the final group of the open, wasn't he? Yeah, I think Sam gone either way with that. I think Sam Burr. Was in the final group of the open, wasn't he? Yeah. I think Sam Burrns just from a team fit seems to fit better with this crew. And that's not everything. But as we've talked about, it's, it's definitely something. So I'm, I'm fine with it. Although I, I think I would

have been fine with came young as well. I go back to, I, listen back at back at post president's cup. It is like, I declared that San Berns was the best player on the US team on that one, right? And I did not reflect it. And there's plenty of data information out there of like duty made seven birdies and 14 holes on his own ball. And they lost the match. And like he, he was really, really good at quail hollow, right? This is obviously very different. But again, speaks to what, I don't know, I don't have information on it, but it speaks to, like, they probably have a role in mind for him and probably gives him more options, maybe than Cam Young does. I don't know exactly how to set up a force in steam, but, man, sure,

seems like pairing Scotty with somebody that can put really well versus like a Cam Young seems like a good deal, right? If you want to stack the holes where Scotty is hitting the approach shots in and you have Sam Burns putting for him, that seems like a pretty darn good combination to me. I don't know if you can do that as well as much at Marcus Moniz you could at Whistling Straits, but I don't know. That seems like a decent plan and I was surprised by it just based off that Fred interview, but I'm totally fine with it. Well, and I think I think when you know you just said this, but when statistical analysis is even close, because you can, I mean, we've all made the stats say a bunch of different things that we want them to say.

But even behind the scenes, when the deep dive stuff is even close, you have to ride with the guy that you feel like is gonna be the better team-aid, team fit, like all that stuff. And so I think that you could talk me into like, hey, Cam Young and Sam Burns, it was kind of a close call statistically. Sam Burns just, and again, I'm not been behind the scenes with these guys, so I don't know this to be true.

It seems like Sam Burns from a competitive standpoint from a fit in standpoint is just a better fit than Cam Young. I think if it's a pick that means you get the very best out of the best player in your team, then it kind of is a very sensible pick. I'm not contradicts what I said earlier about Scotty kind of saying I want some burns my partner, but it actually doesn't make sense. Scotty shepherds the best player in your team. How do you maximize the money points that he wins and Friday and Saturday, you pick the guy you pay his best for them. And again, none of this is black and white. Like if Sam Burns was a zero stroke skeined player to this year, I think that probably would not have carried the day.

It would not have been enough form to offset the positive that he brings in the team room, right? And if that's where people are getting a little hung up on like, does the data matter or does it? Does it not? It is a component of how you look into this, right? And yeah, well, what matters is your value. What value do you bring to the team? Does it matter or does it not? It is a component of how you look into this, right? Yeah. Well, what matters is your value.

What value do you bring to the team? Some of that might be data. Some of it might be team, Plier, ForSumsFIT. Some of it might be as an emotional leader. Like, people get hung up on finishes and I used to do this. Finishes numbers, wins, all that stuff. What value do you bring to the team?

And I think, obviously, we've talked you bring to the team? And I think, I think obviously we've talked about JT's value and I think Burns brings a ton of value as well. So that's 2018 clear the deck for me of like, dude, couldn't have been hot. US team couldn't have been hotter. Bryce wins two playoff events, Tiger wins the week before the Ryder Cup and came over and went on four, right? It's just like, if there was, if somebody could model this out for me and show like, hey, recent form in the weeks leading up to the Ryder Cup being hot translates to winning a ton of Ryder Cup matches. I'm willing to listen to that, but I don't necessarily think it does. I,

five years ago, I would have thought that, right? It would have been like, let's get the hottest hand in the US. Did the Horseral Rule thing? They picked Ryan Moore the Sunday night before the tournament, which was outrageous at Hazel team looking back at it. And I just don't think that's like the best way to go about forming a team now. I once thought that and I have evolved from that. It's like an Annie Ann's pretzel. You need the pretzel and you need this sour cream seasoning on it. No, I think a couple of things. I think Scotty, I think this set of matches has the potential to break Scotty.

Like if Scotty misses some puts and they stop giving him puts inside of like three feet, and he misses those, like that could, that could be one of the most demoralizing debilitating things ever, right? And let's say Burns runs a put by, you know, let's say you set up Burns to, to be putting on some of these holes and then he runs a putt by and Scotty misses the come back or and they, and they go from winning a hole to losing a hole. Like that stuff, that's some serious scar tissue there. And just looking at the top end, like, yeah, obviously Scotty is that dog right now, but otherwise going down the European side, Hoveland, Rom, Rory, Tommy, like,

I know Rom has been a little bit off, but these guys have been playing some of the best golf, and their top end is better than anything that the US side has to offer right now, I think. So, I don't know. I'm looking at this and I'm like, man, I will take Rom up against anybody on the US side. I'll take Havlund's ceiling against anybody. I'll take Rory obviously. I'll take Tommy's last six months have been impregnable. I mean,

it's, it's crazy. Pregnable. I think Scotty V. Rom in all three playoff events, by the way. This isn't 72 whole strip play Kyle. I know. I know. But when Scotty Schaffler standing over those three foot pots as Tron says, I don't disagree. I'm just, he was kind of using recent form to prove his point, which I don't even recent of just like over the last year of, you know, pretty big sample size. Like who's who are the dogs who are the alphas, right? So our guys playing Fortinet, our guys playing Wentworth, what's the deal with print all 12 of the European team are playing Wentworth next week.

And for the vice cap, you know, for the vice captains and Luke Donald are all playing as well next week. So I think on, I could be wrong in this, but I think on Monday of next week, between the Sunday of the Irish open and then we're getting to Wentworth, I think they're all going to Marcos Amune as a group as well. I think the US team might be there at Marcos Amune this week. I know that JT and Max Homo are playing in Napa. I don't know who else is, Sully.

I don't know off the top of my head, but I know you're right on those two. And Brooks is playing at Rich Harvest Farm. The week before the Ryder Cup, which is, yeah, less than my deal. Which, which I wouldn't put up past the European team to like, Hey, everybody thinks that certain things are going to be important here or there. Like, I can see them setting up the course of certain way this week when the European, when the US team visits and then changing some things over the next two or three weeks.

All the, all the time in the grains this morning. Yeah. That's our team radar T.C. I can report. Jamie Kennedy was tweeting about how the year like, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but the European team is longer and more wild off the T than the US team, which is not what people like the average fan would think is the case. So I'm very intrigued. And I know we've talked in the past about how this sort of the PGA tour creates uniformity and like style. You don't get a diversification of styles, which stinks and kind of comes into play as more

and more euros come to play the PGA tour. So I'm interested to see how differently they set it up than like off national in 2018. I'm just finding Jamie's tweet from this morning because you're right about the more wild of the tea, but I think it's something like Europe's driving accuracy is 59.7% in the US is 60.3%. So we're talking about 0.6 of a percent. But yes, they are 0.6% percent wilder. Yes, the narrative is that it's, you know, a crazy differentiation. Yeah. But some of it could also be, all right, like we know that these guys can play discipline. We know that these guys don't like to play discipline. Like there's, there's, there's

difference to psychologies around it as well. Yeah. I'm so keen. I might have to fly over from Spain do like an early week site visit just to see what's going on. Consult with Ludwig, consult with Tommy and Finno. Those guys on that note, Tron, given that you flew across the Atlantic in vain to see Tommy as he was not in vain. No, I'm vain because you got to see me. You got to have a lovely three-hour journey from Liverpool to Heathrow,

where you slept for a two and a half hours of it. But I think one of the questions, solly correct me if I'm wrong, was do you regret not flying over to Switzerland on Sunday, Ludwig had to do it all on the zone? There was no one to give him a hug off the back of the 18th green. No, my relationship with Ludwig's

different than my relationship with Tommy. You know, Ludwig's left the nest. I feel like he's like my kid at college. You know, he needs to do it on his own. I can't be a helicopter parent with him. I know we're going a long time here, but we got a lot of questions from people asking for pairings ideas.

And again, I'm way more intimidated by this process. Now I used to like throw out pairings all the time. And now I learned that the detail that goes into it, I'm like super, super hesitant to be like, I don't want to get shot again, where I was like, Hey, would these two guys be a good pairing? They're like, Oh, that would be like the last thing that we would never consider. Well, are we going to do one more pod before the before the week itself? Because we could do pairings then we can.

I mean, I think from the US side, I think it, you know, obviously the Scotty Burns thing is where a lot of people are going to go. Zander Cantlay, obviously JTS Speed, I'd be stunned if that wasn't what happens on morning force. A little variable from Europe this go around that force is going first. If it wasn't on the site, at least the 90s.

I don't know when the last time they've done that in that order. But that would be what I would expect in the morning. I don't, I would get, I don't. I'm Max and more Cala was like, what I would guess for the final spot in that morning, but I could be, I don't know, I'm kind of pulling some of these out of my ass, but yeah, they'll pair up really nicely. And, you know, I think, you know, there's going to be some new pairings this time. I mean, there's going to for Europe out out of necessity, there has to be because Rory's always been paired with Polter or Sergio in the past. And obviously Ram last time was paired with Sergio.

And I think Ram also in France was paired with Justin Rose five years ago. I don't know if that makes a lot of sense. This time is a pairing, but you know, there's going to have to be Justin Rose obviously has always been paired with Henrik Stenson in the past. That's not going to be possible. So from a European standpoint, there's going to be a lot of new pairings, and it's going to be intriguing to see what they are. But as Tron says, I don't really think you can go massively wrong.

I think there are a lot of guys that pair nicely with each other. From the US, I think there's a few more question marks. Like, who do you pair, Windham Clark with? Who do you pair, Brian Harmon with? Who does Brooks quite with? Ricky Filer has played in, what, this is his fifth rider cup, but he played I think five years ago with Dustin Johnson.

I think at Hazel Teen he played with, I can't remember, not at the top of my head, 2016. I think he played with 2014 at Planeagles. He played with Jimmy Walker in his first rider cup in 2010. He played with Phil. I think he played with Phil in Hazel Teen, actually. I think his first one he played with Phil and Furik. I think it's first one you played a fill in Furek. So like none of those guys are in the team anymore. So for Ricky Fowler, it's gonna be a completely brand new

partner this time. And I was extremely tight with JT and Speed, but are you gonna break those two up? Well, maybe you do break them up with JT, can't find the planet. First thing Friday morning and it ends up being Jordan and Ricky for the next couple of sessions, who knows. But I think there are, as you said, solly, it's just, it's a complete

fool's game, trying to second guess the cop and the vice cop and because we get it wildly wrong. But I think there are some certainly some more obvious pairings in the US time. If I had a guess, I'd say, when them and Brooks and Forbal, that'd be a guess I would have for that afternoon, which puts Brian Harmon and Ricky together potentially in that afternoon. I think there's, I don't know, again, maybe a misnomer of like, yeah, you want your like your straightest drivers of the ball

to be playing for some, I don't know if that rings out true, right? I think people picture Harmon as a perfect for some's got. Maybe as maybe, you know, again, I think the US is not going to run. I'd be surprised if they had a lot of anyone go five. I really would be surprised if they had anyone go five. Who do you send out first?

For, for US on Friday. Yeah, both teams. It's for some. Yeah. Con Land show. This is where the war game stuff like goes. It's like, all right, well, what is Europe typically doing? What are you trying to do?

What you're trying to do is say you want your fourth best team to play their best team is how you'd want it. And then you want to be staggered. Like your second versus third, third versus, like you'd want to stagger it. So you're favored in three of them. And under big underdogs in one and hope to flip it. Like that's how what the US and both teams are trying to do, right?

So that's where the chess match is. Like, is Europe gonna send a great team out first? Are they gonna send like a riskier team out first? And I'm gonna say Rory and Tricky Vicki against can't lay and showfully. There you go, boom. I love the way you pronounce showfully. Showfully.

Tricky Vicki. Who is calling him? We all call him Tricky Vicki over here. The triple. Triple. Who is calling him? We all call him tricky Vicki over here. Get with the program. Guys, I'll do this every week. I mean, I'll take up all your time if you want, but I'm happy to do another one before this. You know what?

What would concern me is a Ludwig Rory for ball, Baron. That would be, that would not be ideal. Bad bad boy should. Yeah, boy should say that would not be ideal bad bad boy shit. Yeah, boy shit. Yeah, it would not not be good. I, I just want to say to like we're looking ahead, we're looking at Beth Page. Like I said earlier, I think Beth Page is going to be one of the worst, most disgraceful vanilla boring setups of all time on those flat ass greens.

And then we're looking ahead at a dare manor in 27. We could have, you know, we're going to have Adrian Dumont that you start on there. We're going to have both hoi guards. We're going to have Ludwig. Obviously, we're going to have Albert Hanson. You know, I'm sure there's some guys coming up in the in the ranks of the English language. Glory, victory. Groundwork. Find a clip, play back in five years. I could see it happening. He's laying the groundwork for the look back. I told him, what about your boy, Mattia Schwab, that she said would be at this writer come? Yeah, you know, disappointed in his results.

I think Vincent Norman could make another leap and be on the next two teams. Mattie Schmid, of course. You're doing the Jamie with me. I think that's 35 guys on the 20, 25 team. But another round of predictions. Is anyone prediction? It's changed. I've said US 15 and a half, Europe 12 and a half. I'm going to stick with it. Even if I don't feel as good about that as I once did, but I'm going to trust the process. Jamie, I've never wavered from Europe 14 and a half, US 13 and a half. I'm going to

stick with that. Kyle, I've definitely wavered, but not with team. I've picked the US. I'm going, I'm going the opposite of Jamie 14 and a half, 13 and a half US. I think, I think regardless, it's going to be super close, which I'm excited about. I'll go 16, 12 Europe. Okay. How many points did Ludevague 6 and O or? I love it goes three 12 Europe. Okay. How many points did Ludevague six and hour?

A lot of it goes three and one. Okay. Okay. All right, so that is a change from your previous prediction. You're announcing that to me. I'm gonna see. It is. It is.

It is. I think Sape will go for in the Sape will go for. I think Harman's gonna have a good one. I think, I think Hovlin's gonna be a nuclear weapon. Guys, I have no fucking idea what's gonna happen. I'd really don't, which is, which is the best, which is the beauty of it. Yes, so much confidence in Luke and Dodo and Bjorn and all those guys. I think they've got some tricks up their sleeves.

I think, you know, versus I think they're gonna throw some things out and ZJ's head's going to explode. I'm just I'm already so excited for Do Do and Frankie standing on that first tee 20 minutes before the first t-time at 7 15 AM on Friday, give it the old Viking Thunder clap to the 12,000 fans behind that first tee. It's going to be absolutely brilliant. It's going to be the noise that this one has a chance to be one of the best ever for you. I haven't been to, I've only been to one European rider cup. So I haven't been to the Belfry, which I know is one of the T.C.'s favorites. The golf national was very flat and kind of tough to get the vantage points.

And like Marcos Simone has, you know, I have some logistical concerns about the whole surrounding area and how they're going to do all that and get all these people in and out. But I think it has a chance to like reverberate. I think the golf course is still horrific, but at the same time, I think for fans, it has a chance to be one of the loudest and coolest, you know, experiences in that regard. If you don't mind, watch people just hack out a waste. I rough. So, well, you've been to one more European writer cup than I have.

I'm absolutely buzzing. I can't wait to get there. Oh, Sally, from a set up perspective, do you think they're, they'll put the pins in the front of the, you know, kind of in the middle of the greens, or you think they'll talk them or what? I don't know. I think what Europe is going to try to do is maybe a little different than what I would have guessed in terms of where they're trying to get the approach play coming in from.

I would have thought they would, you know, in my head, like they wouldn't want to stretch it out and make it a, you know, mid to long iron test, but I'm hearing some rumblings that they may try to do that, may want to do that. They may be where their statistical advantage is, which again, that's the level of granular detail. I just, we don't have really have access to. So pins, I would think it's going to depend on the situation, right? If they're up going into Sunday, do you put them more towards the level of granular detail. I just, we don't have really have access to. So, pins, I would think it's gonna depend on the situation, right? If they're up going into Sunday,

do you put them more towards the middle of the green? In my mind, I still don't really know how all that works out, right? I mean, you still gotta all play the holes and I don't really understand what they learned from Medina. You know, they put them in the corners of the greens and I guess Europe could just fire at them at will and the US was playing more conservatively and that's what cost them and they didn't want to do that for Hazeltein.

But I honestly, T.C. the level of data would be like, all right, for our faders, the guys are going to be hitting fades into these pins. Like, we're going to put them on the right side of the green. Shout out to P and, you know, for blah, blah, they're going to, it's that level of detail, I think, in terms of how you're just trying to gain those one, two percent edges that you hope by the end of, you know, 28 matches that it adds up to a difference in points. Jamie, will, will Gwito be there for, for, for moral support? A mindset Gwito might be there as a buggy driver for moral support. Conversely, we'll block you be there. I guarantee you the PJ American. I would put Mrs. Wears House and blocky.

Sorry for DJ. He wanted Mattel Manicero on this, uh, on this team on, remember the RB 2021. God blocky and ZJ. What a, what a pairing. What a third bucket. Maybe Michael Jordan too. Guys, I can't wait to do this again.

When absolutely nothing has changed between now and that next point where we do it, but I can go. I know we said every time, but how have we spoken for an R&D 55 minutes? I just don't know. We barely, I mean, we'd even talk about a lot of the guys. Well, I know 30 minutes of it was some of the, some, maybe some of our worst content at all time. So maybe I could see see I could see ZJ bring in DJ call that over as well. All right, that's that's the end of the show. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks to all of you for your time. I'm sure we'll be back for more Ryder Cup content. Cheers. Be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most.

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