No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 74: England Golf Trip, Part II

Episode Date: March 28, 2017

One hour was not enough time to discuss the ins and outs of our four day trip to northwest England. Part I broke down the Belfry, West Lancashire, Royal Birkdale, and Royal Liverpool. Part II... The post NLU Podcast, Episode 74: England Golf Trip, Part II appeared first on No Laying Up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I've pretty much always played the same type of ball my entire life, but I recently made a change that a lot of other people are making. I put the Calloway Chrome Softball in my bag, I played with it all week in England. The adjustment period was way shorter than I was expecting and I'm completely sold. We're here to tell you about the trip. Let's go. I'm going to be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about him?

That is better than most. Better than most! Expect anything different! Alright guys, welcome back to part 2 of the England trip wrap up. If you missed part 1, I would recommend going back and listening to that part first. Tron and I spent four days in England playing golf. The sixth course is we played where the Belfry, West Lancashire, Royal Burkdale, Royal Liverpool, Wallasey and Lithem. The first four on that list are covered in part one.

We're going to get to Wallicy and Lithem within this episode and as well we're bringing in James Somerside from Golf Brakes who's going to talk a bit about how the trip came together. What kind of options are there out there for listeners from the US, either coming over to the UK. There's a sweepstakes giveaway to Mexico. There's options to go down and play in the Dominican Republic. And we're just going to talk a bit more about the overall general experience of the trip within this one as well as breakdown those final two courses. So without further ado, hope you enjoyed enjoyed and then that night we drove north

Little bit stay up in black pool. Yeah, seven black pool and woke up Sunday morning this morning drove out drove back towards Liverpool And play that wallacy golf club. I think the homeless stableford the homeless stableford It is on all of their t-shirts on the scorecard on the yardage book. I think I liked it the most out of our threesome probably because I played rather well I would say this morning. It was I don't know it was it was it was across the across a cross the cross the a shu'erie or the river from

Liverpool proper first of all Liverpool I Like infrastructure like bridges and tunnels and ports and shit like that kind of weird like that but Liverpool like they have this dip one of the coolest tunnels the coolest tunnel in the entire world. Long, that tunnel went under that roof. Yeah. I've been in some in Norway that are like, legitimately 15 kilometers.

But this was, I mean, it was deep and like, why? That was a big ass tunnel. I was psyched. I think we went through like three times. Trunks tunnels. Yeah, I just love infrastructure. But yeah, it's kind of down,

maybe 15, 20 minutes south of, of Liverpool proper, but right on, right on the ocean. And, uh, that was probably the one course where I felt like I was the most, I was in them, I was in a different, like I was out of the country, out of the United States. It felt a little bit foreign to me. I loved the clubhouse is super close to the first T-box. Like it kind of frames the back of the first T-box. The first few holes were phenomenal and you get out to the fourth T-for, I mean, the best view we saw at any call on this trip.

And one of the best golf holes we played, I'd say. Yeah. I mean, it's a par-five dog leg left, but you can miss into the other fairway, the 17 fairways right to the left. And really, you can just step on a driver and it's a total run. 200 yards, like either way.

And it's total green light. The ball's in the air forever. And you're looking right out at the Irish Sea, there's a beach walking path right there, there's a little fence there to keep people off the course. But I mean, that was, we kept, I don't know how many pictures we took on the top of that T-box. I mean, that was, that was one of my favorite holes that we played. It might be, my favorite hole that we played on the trip.

It reminds me of like number six or seven at Ball Bunyan, I think number seven and number four at Pacific Dunes as far as the whole that just frames a big huge body of water with a great view. It gives you an aerial view of that water. And I loved a dog like right, par five is like, I'm sorry, a dog like left par five is like straight up in my alley. And- I'm being able to admit, I'm able to aim it as far left as you want. Yeah, that helps as well. I had a little smother up going this week.

Yeah, I put a way up there with someone. For me, it reminded me most of, played out at Half Moon Bay a couple of times, out the Ritz out there, and it reminded me of the Link's course there, the last couple of holes, like where you're right, and you're on a cliff kind of above the Pacific, and it's very lengthy and wide open.

But it was very enjoyable. And then, really five, six. I felt like that one, it ran out a little bit of steam towards the end of the front nine. A little bit, there were a couple holes. There were a lot of, it wasn't a perfect golf course. It was a lot of, they had a lot of really good holes. There were some holes that were kind of, but I don't know. The overall, it's not the same kind of experience as the Royal

Courses. Yeah, I mean it's a little bit, like the greens were fantastic. The greens were the best I think we saw overall. Lithem was good on the front nine, the back nine greens were not as good. These were the best greens we saw. Yeah, but it was a little scruffy around some of the edges, like on just on the on the rougher. That's where they. So like so seven eight nine I thought we're a little bit weak and then we got to I think that's like 10-11 and it just got it picked back up. It got awesome. It picked with back up part the great part 312 I think it was old glory with the bunkers surrounding it a couple good par fives We it took driver out of our hander lot which I like I think that's really fun part of the golf you had a lot of three

Iron cell I hit three are enough like five teas in a row. That's fine. That's wrong with that. I just that's every five. I don't want to hear it That's fine. What's wrong with that? I just got 75. I don't want to hear it. There's a lot of holes that there's no real reason to. I mean, let's get some yardages on some of these. I mean, there's like a lot of 340 holes that you couldn't drive. So that was my thing.

So, like, 8 was 385-ish. 10 was 310. Like a severe uphill dog, like, right? That was kind of a cool hole. I like that. 11 was like 3-8. We talked about James Cheeky-Fourwood, he played on that hole, he's got 90 yards in.

He hit a four-wood, he did like a hybrid chip up the hill. Where did it end up? They go through? No, we got up on the front. No, that was, yeah. That was very cheeky. We did that a couple times. Yeah, increasingly so throughout the trip. So I was putting from everywhere. James was taking forward from everywhere. Way off the creak. It was and then it was

we made it around easily and under four hours. I thought the 18th hole was not not our favorite hole. But I loved the way it came right back to the clubhouse, right underneath the patio. Like people can sit and watch that. 15 was cool. And then I thought 17 was one of the best holes we played. I thought that was top four or five holes we played. The one.

Oh man, that was it. That reminded me the best of Northern Michigan and the best of like just Really that was a tough hole. Yeah, it was like 450 uphill into the So that that's that whole frames the fourth hole that I was talking about so that if you miss left You're on the fourth hole so you could see the ocean again, and it's a blind second shot To this green that goes back depending upon if you hug the last side with your drive, you can see it.

And it kind of goes up into this almost like an inlet and then the green is back in like this little harbor amongst all this header. It was so cool. Yeah, man, that was a really fun golf course. I love that. And then the drive kind of, I don't know, like I thought the drive was a little bit, I was kind of surprised. It was a little bit gimmicky on 18,

but then your second shot into 18, the clubhouse is right behind, and it was a fantastic approach. So beautifully. Yeah, I thought like this, this course wasn't perfect by any stretch, but it's a perfect change of pace. Yeah.

From the other courses. And I would, it would be a very high recommendation for me. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't call it a must play, but if somebody's going there, again, the question was, hey, we're playing here and here, what's another course maybe I haven't heard of? I would say Waltz.

I know a lot of people have heard of it. I had before. He's also like, you just don't want to go to, I mean, if you played Lithem or Berkdale, like, every day, you just get this shit beat out. Even if it's hurt, it would hurt a little bit. You're more and out. So, I mean, it's a good change of pace.

It's not an easy course by any stretch, but you just don't have to be quite as on point and you can spray it a little bit more with some of your drives, but it's still demanding as hell on the Part 3s. and there's some great long holes too. So yeah, Wallsley was cool. Wallsley. Wallsley. Sorry. Wallsley. And then we need to get James on here to like pronounce all of these first two because they sound totally different and more exotic and cool coming out of his mouth. There to like pronounce all of these first two because they sound totally different and more exotic and cool coming out of his mouth.

They're meant to be said with the British. But yeah, then we scooted on up north back up north to blackpool to play Royal Lothian and St. Anne's in the afternoon. Final round of the trip. So it was daylight savings time. We spring forward today. Yeah, so we're here. We spring forward two weeks after the U.S. does.

So we'd see it off at three o'clock. There was no one out on that golf course on a 60 degree, sunny day. When was when was when so we had we had the opposite of the prevailing wind, which meant the first hole is a 200 yard par three dead into the wind. Second hole is 410 yards north for work. First while you go in the, you go in the pro shop, pro shop's like separate from the clubhouse.

And the pro reminds me that there's, you know, 250 bunkers on the course I think. I was like, oh yeah, like that's exactly the visual. Sixth round. I was like, oh yeah, like that's exactly the visual. Sixth round. He's like played for position, don't necessarily play, you know, jockey for distance throughout the day. So yeah, I mean, you get right out there. First holes, like just, I really like a, like a par three first hole.

I think that's cool. This one is tough. Yeah, this is hard. It was almost unreachable with a three iron. It might have been unreachable. I didn't get there. And again, like the wind was opposite, so typically it's either kind of a crosswind or downwind. And then the second and third holes, like, so it was a 440-ish yard par 4 for us today, the second was, and then a 470-yard par 4. We were one over the red, 457.

Yeah, but some of these teas we were... Yeah, that's true. We were a little further back. The third hole, that was the moment we were talking about, that was not reachable. And there's a train track running all the way down the right side of both of these holes to where, and the wind is just whipping. I think on number two, I found my ball each time,

but all my shots were really, I know two, I had a great, great approach in. All right, just, I was so whitey with my swing, just whiteiper and- Not a good visual if you're wiper to have those train tracks run down the right side. Not good. Not good.

Especially with the wind right into your face. But yeah, the greens were relatively flat. But this was the course two where I felt like, when they have the tournament, like this course with rough and with, like I felt like they could turn the greens up to another notch more than any of the other courses we played and just make this thing. Yeah, the services were really good.

They got a little choppy on the back nine, but it was, I'd have the second best screens behind wall see that we put it. And the, the, it's pretty flat, but it's kind of, there's a lot of gorse and Heather and you feel, there's some miniature dunes. That little mini dunes kind of roll in the fairway. But it's inland, like you're in the middle, I mean, it almost feels like a town square, like a giant town square that you're playing. But, but yeah, I just, they've got these little, it was kind of like prairie dunes in the factering. The bumpering was, it was the best bumpering of any course I've ever played. Yeah.

By far, just the shaping around the bumpers, the placement of the bumpers, and just the aesthetics of the bumpers, was absolutely second to none. If you're missing a green in the spot you're not trying to miss it in, you probably ended up in a bunker. Like if you pull one,

and even if you didn't know a bunker was there, and it's like not the clear place to miss, you're probably in a bunker. And the fair, I like, but I love how the bunkers line you up off the tee. Like there's almost always, there's almost always a, so if there's a bunker that comes in on the left at 240. The one on the right comes in at 270. So you have the option to carry the one on the left,

but you've got to avoid reaching the one on the right. It was never like you have to place one in between these two bunkers. I don't like that on T-Shots. But yeah, this one was pretty much, I mean, it's no surprise, like, David DuVall, Tom Lame, and Ernie L's, I think of one of the last three opens there. Adam Scott's played exceptionally well there. Like, it was, for the first 68. It was, I mean, you had to golf your ball. Like, this was the hardest of the courses we played,

just from a golf perspective. Like this was, in my mind, this was the best golf course. I thought the last five holes or so were, they were okay, but through the first 15, or through the first 14, it was unbelievable. It was so much fun. And that was our best win most most win we got to play with. And then yeah I mean seven so seven like this nearly 600 yard par five. I was like a four shot par five five James hit a driver off the deck there that was pretty gnarly

It was spectacular But yeah, I mean like the six this he got back-to-back part five's there for You know, I think the pros play six as a as a part four and then eight is like you didn't really like eight I did I don't love approaches up to like flat, like to elevate a green surfaces that you can't like see the surface of. So, but I feel like that was kind of the beauty of it. So you go back, you feel like you're like four miles away from the clubhouse. It almost goes straight out. All into the winds. Yeah Yeah, so so I think typically this whole This whole is got a little bit more strategic to it because it's like a strategy. I should say strategic

I'm like George or so you wish here You got like the you got three crossbunkers out there like 330 330 yards out Which typically it's down the land and you kind of have to think about them off to you. Yeah, think about them off the tee. And then it almost go, it kind of straight up to this false frontish green.

And it's kind of like, it's a really lush corner of the property. Dude, there's some really great trees back there. It was, it was very cool. The trains all the way down the right side of the property. Dude, there's some really great trees back there. It was very cool. It trains all the way down the right side of that again. Nine's a cool little part of the tree. Yeah, it's kind of like a little, kind of reminded me of like a corner pocket on a pool table.

Yeah, you're far out for this point on the course. Yeah. And it's kind of a nine foot horse. It's wedged into this little corner of the property. You kind of hit diagonal with the corner of the property and then start coming back towards the clubhouse after it's But apartments all around yeah, but it's it's not long it's like a hundred and 150 160 yards even for the pros. It's not long. Yeah, and there's seven bunkers around the green and I think I I think I made a mess of this one but it's just a really really interesting fun little part 3.

284 to the front. That sound you just heard was drawn taking driver off the deck from way downtown on the 11th bullet Royal Leather and St. Anne's. on taking driver off the deck from way downtown on the 11th hall at Royal Leatherman St. Anne's. You may have also heard my reaction to it. I don't think I could help it after hearing that sound and seeing the baby fade that ball rolled all the way up to the front of the green. He almost made his eagle. We were smashing the Calloway epic driver all over England this past weekend if you can't tell. We are still excited about it. You should be excited about it as well. You can find out more about the Calloway epic driver weekend if you can't tell we're still excited about it.

You should be excited about it as well. You can find out more about the Calloway Epic Driver, how you can get fitted for the right one for you at CallowayGolf.com back to the rest of the podcast. It got so much more fun when we turned back towards the clubhouse and got to play downwind. Yeah. I mean really, so really like looking at the routing Two three four so when you're out at like eight and nine you are you're literally You're like 20 you're like two thousand to 2500 yards away from the clubhouse. Yeah, like it's it's and then and then but you can still kind of see it too Like it's it's it's a really it's a really cool, it's a really long course, and it's all inland.

So it's kind of winding or square in the middle of these two towns almost. Yeah, and then 10, we kind of flipped around and went straight down, straight down wind. But the bunkering from really from like Seven or eight. I mean seven had him Seven had one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fourteen bunkers. Each of them was Really well played. Yeah, and there's a lot of bunk A lot of holes that have these bunkers maybe you know at 60 yards from the green that don't make a ton of holes that have these bunkers maybe, you know, it's 60 yards from the green that don't make a ton of sense.

Like it's a part, a longer part four that shouldn't come into play until you hit one into the rough. You get out of position. Yeah, and you gotta think about those bunkers with your next shot. If you wanna try to hit a runner and run down the fairway, you can't, you cannot do it. Those bunkers is just absolute death

if you had them into them. And they're small enough that they don't suck up everything. We didn't hit a ton of balls. I felt like they were, the ones at Berkdale were probably more of like just a full shot penalty. Yeah. These were like a half shot penalty.

So I don't think I hit anyone until nine today. But like they were just they still allowed you they almost tempted you to go for it and then Kind of thread the needle as far as trajectory goes. Yeah, and then 11 was like a 600-yard Part five we played at 540 Okay, I just wanted it. I know you hit driver out the deck Jard, part five. We played it 540. Okay, I just wanted to, I just wanted to, I know you hit driver off the deck. So it's 285 out.

You'll see the video I'm gonna post it. Probably the best shot I hit all trip, to be honest, I'm sorry. It was delicious, it was beautiful. Smoke driver off the deck off that kind of turf, downwind it's gonna run forever. So that's just run, again, just like rolling fairway, like just rolling, it was like a set of waves coming in all the way down the end. But yeah, I mean the bunkering there, fantastic again.

And then 12 was a cool little part three. 13 was a really, really good short four. Yeah. Like only three hundred and forty three hundred fifty yards. But again three hundred and forty three hundred fifty yards you've got you got like twelve bonkers on it. 14 was long long par four. Yeah and then really, I mean, you close it out with six straight par fours. They're all different, they're all, yeah, there was a lot of variety.

Like, you know, they were, and they're all facing different directions too, I think. So 18 wasn't the strongest finishing home. I mean, it's like, it's only 390 or something for us, even for the pros, it's not that long. But it is a great look at the clubhouse. Like it's a cause of just directly behind 18th green again. 17 was exceptionally tough.

Like. That was tough. So we were talking about Adam Scott, Boeying, the last four holes. To lose one. When he lost to the big sleazy. And that was, I mean, I can totally see him boying 17 like that's a that's a heart at a whole and 15 15's hard to so but but like 16 and 18 or they weren't

there's no excuse to blow in that bunker on 18 but yeah I mean 17 had one two three four five six seven 17 has 16 bunkers on it each of them is like like that was a Mind field driving out to T and then 18 has That was that was I take back what I said about 18. It's not a long that long 18 18 has 17 bunkers. The way that those bunkers frame is it's pretty fascinating. It's like a really cool visual visual line Yeah, that's a funky shape cream around there. That was yeah, I think that was Maybe I just liked that stretch. I mean I kind of felt like the the course Got a little monotonous towards the end, but 18 was just such a cool finishing classic clubhouse and I felt like if you hit two if you hit a good drive into

18 you had a good shot at making a birdie. Yeah yeah as a good ball so it might be good. So that was it was that was like sad walking down that 18 fairway. That was it was it was so it was a lot walking down that 18th fairway. It was, it was so, it was a lot of golf in a short amount of time, but man, that was. There was a lot of 108 holes. 108 holes? Yeah, 108 holes in four days, like a little over,

yeah, 90s, little 76 hours or so. James, James our host host he potted it From 80 yards. Not it is drive on 18. They potted it from yeah Yeah, I think 80 85 yards out on 18 He's like you made a three-puck par I think no he put it in the bunker put in the But yeah, it's it's kind of hard to it's a it's 10 o'clock at night here. Liffin' too, I think my other takeaway from Liffin' was how compact it was. So it's kind of this, it's a big clubhouse complex, but the way that it fits in the land, the first tee's right next to the pro shop. Yeah, I see what you mean.

The putting green is right there. Like, kind of big range to them. Yeah, they had a little awesome short game facility, little part recourse. Just, I think out of all of them, they were also different. Yeah, I don't think I have a favorite, but I would say

Lithem was, Lithem was the hardest golf course. Yeah. It's not going to be a good one. I wanted to tune it up to grow out the rough. We almost grow out the rough. We played with the other thing like full rough. Yeah. I feel like Berkdale probably had the most teeth of all the ones that we played at least this week. But with them, if they want to just turn up the volume there, they can really get in people's heads. That was like a... You get like Mike Davis out there with you.

Like he could do some gnarly shit to that golf force. Yeah. I mean, it's so kind of to wrap it up. I think you guys have like I mentioned earlier, you've heard of Liverpool, Liffham and Burkdale. We think the other courses we played here as well. And like I said, we there's several more that we'd love to get to form B and and then. Yeah, Form B and then. Hillside with a top two recommendations that we didn't get to. We can't play every. My Hillside's right next to Berkdale.

We did take the drone up and look at it a little bit. And then Form B's kind of, I think, on the road towards Liverpool, like going to Royal Liverpool. So just the whole area and you can play so much. So much golf. Yeah. If you can play so much golf. If you can, and that's where I wouldn't have known how to get teatimes in all these places, how to do all that.

If you use, if you want to use a trip planner like golf breaks, they can help you get on all of these courses. And you're not, it's not costing, like I said, not costing you anymore. And it's not the same stress as far as trying to figure out, you know, if I play here at nine o'clock Can I play here at two o'clock? You know these guys know how long it takes to get around I'll be honest. I've never this is the first time I've ever been on like an organized Like professionally organized trip like normally it's just buddies and I bootstrapping it and this was so much more

enjoyable and I felt like it was it was organized like James was so he kind of heads up their US business like he it was so like like-minded yeah it was it's people that know what know what you you tell them what you want and it's not somebody sitting behind a desk and trying to steer you to the resources that they're using. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Or it's not like some big expensive package that is going to cost you way more than if you put it in.

It was all about the golf and then if you wanted to do other shit and like, eagled meals and that was there too, but the golf was first and foremost and then you could... You can even hire drivers to do that. Yeah, they'll take care of your golf, your lodging, and your transportation, your rental car or whatnot. So again, it's overwhelming sometimes to kind of, especially if you're starting from scratch. If you do want to start from scratch, hopefully, you know, some of the courses that we talked about are on your radar and kind of help you start to plan that. But again, you can also just kind of pick and

choose what courses you want to play. They can see what's available. And like Alex, the guy we play with from National Club Golf at Berkdale, he's from the south east of England, that's all the west of England. Like the Cornwall, like Cornwall, and down there, and he was just talking about the courses down there. We need to, that's what we need to do next. Like St. St. Endodd or something, and like, I was just like, dude,

where do I sign up? I know. It sounded spectacular too. So. We can't get like a better like weather experience though than what we had. That's the thing. We hit the absolute 25. I kind of want to just be super shating.

Then you're going to be realizing how good we had it for this time around. But anything else from the overall experience that we missed? No, I mean, Brits are hilarious. The best vocabulary. And they're so... Polites not the right word, they're just so... considerate of one another without even trying to be considered. They're just naturally...

I still haven't figured out what to say when they ask. You're alright. You're alright. You're okay. Damn, I'm fine. Yes. Thank you And I guess that's got that's kind of a euphemism up here. Yeah in this part of the country, but Yeah, I think there's there's definitely a little bit of I don't want to say resentment towards the south of England. They they rivalry. Oh yeah. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun to hear them talk about other people's accents too. There are so many different accents. Yeah. Yeah, there was a just this guy that came in hammer. Oh my god. This is Scottish guy. He's down from Edinburgh.

It's like 7 a.m. We're leaving the hotel and he's arriving. Yeah, he's arriving like straight from the bar or wherever the strip club and and this dude like solid is like kind of be lined it like over towards the door and like stuck talking to the sky for 15 minutes and like I couldn't understand a fucking word I was saying. It was, I like, kind of entertained and they started talking. They asked me how I thought about like American politics. And I was like, oh shit. Got the core.

I'm out of control. I got the core. So. All right. I think that pretty much wraps it. We're going to bring James in here here shortly to kind of tell you guys a bit more about Other trips that golf breaks can help you with as well. Not just an England style trip So hopefully you guys find that beneficial if you guys have any questions on the trip email us

soliateknowlingup.com Tron at knowlangup.com Tweet us whatever DMs Instagram message anything We'll be glad to help I would these we do these you know Obviously the trip was for personal enjoyment for us, but as well We really want to build out our travel section and kind of well, so so going back. He said you've been to obviously been to Scotland and Ireland. Yep. You've been abandoned as well. You've been a stream song. Yeah, Like how would how would you say this was? So I it's in the category of those. I refuse to rank one through five of those because I it's

kind of pointless but man it's it's hard to put this as far as like the similarity. Yeah. Yeah. Same kind of style. It's different style of links, golf, which, again, if you can't tell from this, I'm obsessed with links, golf. It's different styles yet. And it's cool to see the different styles and the extremes at one end versus kind of the, I think it was a softer style of links than what I've used to have played,

mostly probably due to the time of year. But just to be on those places that are just fun to hang out with, just fun to be at where you can feel comfortable, a lot of times when I go to a course I haven't been to before I just, I just in general feel uncomfortable. I don't know where to go. I don't know what I should be doing, but around here they make you feel so welcome that your whole five, six hours you spent on the property is. You're not worrying about it.

Yeah, you're not worrying about tip-toeing around it. No, you don't tell me. I'm like, I mean Liverpool, like really Liverpool for me was like, I was like, man, I felt like we spent eight hours hours there and I felt like we'd spent two days there. Yeah. It was just like, just soaked up the experience. I don't think I thought about anything else. I don't think about work or anything else.

Except your wife. Except for my beautiful, for like the entire time where they're awesome. I love you babe. But and then I would say if you're an architecture nerd with them is like right under all it. That's probably from an architecture perspective. That was one of the probably top two or three coolest courses that I've ever played. Yeah, I'm not an architecture nerd. I'd rather give feedback kind of on the experience because I'm not an expert enough on the architecture speak. I would love to hear what architecture, of course, architects

would say about some of these courses, the criticisms that I maybe would not have noticed. But for me, the whole US had an attitude of for links just taking it as it is and not expecting to feel comfortable on every shot and just having to swallow your pride on a lot of shots. I love that challenge, I love the thinking, I love... I'm being able to putt from where I want to. It's a dicting, it's a drug. You're gonna take that back to the States, you're gonna start putting it from where I'm from.

I already do it in the States, but I can't get away with it. There were a couple, I put it out of the rough. I felt like... We got videos of that. It was like one of the ladies that I used to make fun of at my home club growing up. Like, I was doing the same stuff. Bad putts better than a backshort. So yeah, we're definitely going to clearly, this will be part two if you listen to this now. We're going to break this up into two parts, but remember, James in as well, talked to you guys a bit about some other things. And otherwise, yeah, like I said, please let us know if you guys have any questions on anything. And hopefully you guys found this valuable as you go. Again, I hope you find incentive as well. If you can't hear the way we're

speaking about the experience to just bite the bullet and start planning this trip and go for it. It's some of the best golf experiences I think it's pretty easy to get to it was doable. Yeah, many you can plan a Manchester I flew in the London he throw a guy to drive from Miami. I think Like if you're ever in Boston. I think Virgin is starting a Like a direct from Boston to Manchester a couple of times a week so you fly over on that obviously from JFK, you fly over, I mean shit you can find cheap flight into Dublin and take the ferry over to Liverpool and there's like trains planes and

automobiles there's a ton of different ways to get here so all right man let's wrap it cool cheers to a great trip. Thank you guys. Alright, we're welcoming in James Somerside from Golf Bricks, who was our fantastic third this week. Taught us so many British phrases. How ready are you to get rid of us at this moment? I'm ready to sleep. It's been a long week and yeah a lot of driving but good week and yeah sleep well I think. And thank God we're driving. Driving on the left side of the road is terrifying. I kind of forgot about that one. I got a car like holy shit

Well, yeah, and then you come out of some of those roundabouts and then make it Which way is what I'm like yeah, like it was like doing a dizzy bat relay or something It was nuts But man, so you said it was a lot of driving see for anyone listening to this from the States and for us That was not that was not a lot of driving. It's really... How far was it from the Belfry to Liverpool? Myelage-wise, it's not too far. We sort of went in the evening, it was a bit more traffic. It probably took us about an hour and a half in the end, maybe two hours, but that was with sort of my ill-sensitive direction in Liverpool City Center which probably had only 25 minutes to not journey. It's all part of the experience, but all right, so anyone listening to this probably is at

least remotely interested in planning some kind of trip. We talked a lot about how that could happen with England. What do you guys have going on at the moment? If our listeners are gonna benefit something from listening to this, what would you say? Well first of all, tell us a little like golf breaks, background. I jumped too far. I'm excited. Yeah, now it's, I mean, the company's been going for almost 20 years now and it started over here in the UK. It started very much almost doing Radikup style matches, so getting groups of guys going relatively local, staying within the UK. Places like the Bellfree and Celtic Mara. As the business grew and more people became interested in coming on board in terms of hotels and courses. i'n gweithio'r gweithio yn ymwch i'r gweithio'r gweithio yn ymwch i'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r yw'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r

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quite nice this week to show some of why I think it's the best best linked goal for anywhere in the world and let's learn on our friends, I think I mean you guys how do you how does the process work for setting up a trip? So if I want to set up a trip do I tell you what I want to play where I want to stay? Do you make suggestions on that? How does that how does planning something like that work? It can sort of go either way, you can come with very direct, we wanna go and play, you know, but there are wallets here, the courses we played,

today we'll get you the best rates, we'll find you the best hotels, we'll sort of the ground transportation, all of that sort of stuff. Or you can come to us and say, hey, we wanna go to Scotland, we've heard about this course, or we wanna go to Ireland, we've heard about that course,

or wherever it is, and we can give you our expertise based on some of those courses as we talked about this week. It places like Waller's Scene, West Lance which may not be on the tip of the tongue for people, even people in the UK on the looking at Lynx Golf. Our knowledge of those courses we think is pretty good and so very few people I think will play the the caliber of the courses that we play particularly over a weekend. Now there's a lot of intense

goal but breaking up a trip to somewhere like a burnt down in the rhythm with somewhere like a west-lancs in a wallocie is something that not everybody's gonna know what those courses are and so we're more than happy to sort of suggest and put things together if you want to go to our own that route. It sounds so much sexier when you say it. Warrrously. Warrrously. Evening was butchering in there. We're not going to say it anymore until James comes back. What's Lancashan? What's your favorite British saying that you've taught us this week? That you, that can be repeated.

And get a wig along was a good one. When we were running a bit behind. Yeah, get a wig along and pissed up was a good one. I can say pissed up because you guys use pissy and piss a lot more liberally than we do. So that's okay. Yeah, there's a few most of which probably aren't suitable for people in the morning commute. Yeah, I learned more new uses for familiar, already familiar for later words this week.

I've got my forte self-deprecation. Yeah. So, yeah, I can put them to good use in that way. I wrote a few down. Pist up, peckish, and put the piss on them. Those are my favorite. Put the piss on them, it wasn't mine, that was out of the question. That was out of the question. That's still no what that means, but that was good. Peckish was, yeah, peckish is a pretty regular one.

We're talking to Todd as well, there's about eight different names for what you'd call a bread roll within about 20 miles, all happened to be within, yeah, back with a batch this week, a bun and all of those things a cob So that's quite interesting Just to kill the many choices this week and trying to decipher what you guys actually wanted versus what was written down Good to hear all right for our US listeners Tell us a bit about the Mexico promotion you guys are doing. Yeah, so we've got a chip hood to Mexico at the moment, sweepstakes give away. We're trying to raise awareness a little bit

that we're also now starting to offer some of the Caribbean and Mexican destinations. So in particular, the Dominican Republic, at Mexico, so we're doing sweepstakes in the moment where you can win four nights or an inclusive break for two people. We'll sort out all the golf, all the hotels. You've just got to get yourself there. So yeah, all the days of all five things out in the length of it hotels, you just got to get yourself that.

So yeah, all the days of WukFive, things out in the link, I think it's probably the last word I've done it. Yeah, we'll share the link, but yeah, it sounds like a pretty fantastic giveaway. And really, as far as, I mean, coming to a place like England, I was floored going through a company like Golf Brakes, and then I can't imagine organizing a golf trip to say Mexico or the Caribbean myself. With all the other mario most of them. I was very necessary here and it's like beyond necessarily there. Well we came to your home country so we got the local treatment and the local, well, we came to your home country. So we got the local, the local treatment and the local knowledge. But you guys are, you guys are out a ton of experience putting these kind of things together.

So I think like I've had several people tell me when they've tried to play in a trip, they don't, they don't know where to start. They don't know what to do first. Or if you're going to the Caribbean or Mexico and you're gone and staying in a particular resort, like they're more likely to, they're going to push you to play that resort, the concierge there, like they're getting, you know, there's certain relationships there, whereas they can come to you and say, hey, you know, here's, here's kind of one or two courses I really want to play, when we build a trip around that. Yeah. I think the big thing for Rosalind, we talked about it again a bit this week, is that there's a lot of elements that go into booking these travels you know somebody's going to sort the flights somebody's going to

sort the taxi from the airport the hotel the tea times you know as we sort of know the sort of the tea times are variable today and if you've got relationships with those golf courses you can move them on with a bit and you know it's it couldn't be you know can we ten twelve twenty hours work for you know one or two guys to go on plan a trip like this or you can, can we 10, 12, 20 hours work for, you know, one or two guys to go on a plan of trip like this, or you can just tell us what you want in 20 minutes and all sort of sort of like for you. So that's really what we're trying to get the message out there.

There is, there is somebody willing to help you with these trips and... That you know people at the clubs. Right, yeah. You, we go to the clubs, you speak to somebody by name that you know and have a history with and that, that, that makes a huge difference when you go like, I might not be able to call somebody up and get a tea time. You know somebody and you may have been. I've never been somebody, so I work in a hotel industry. So I've never been somebody that's shit, I'm never gonna book another cough trip.

You seem like one of the people that attaches onto a trip? Oh yeah, that's probably true as well. It's not the lead booking and it's not. But like, you might pay a little bit more going through you guys, but it was like the cost-benefit analysis of that. You might not pay the deal. Yeah, exactly. But it's like, it's like what, you're going save like 70 bucks in the long run or something like, like just something like that

versus like you're not gonna get stood up at a hotel or like if you have a problem you have some recourse with it with this. Like that was, that was my thing. It's like at the end of the day it's like money in the couch cushions as far as what you're gonna save doing it yourself and It's like money in the couch cushions as far as what you're gonna save doing it yourself and Maybe time out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, if you value your time with X per hour as well All that sort of stuff. I'm just sanity to yeah, and so we don't with these guys for 20 years So you know, we get good rates at the the course in particular as well So yeah, it can work out Fetchable cheaper going through us, but it doesn't always, but

you know, certainly will work out a lot of effort or a lot less effort, sorry. But you're not paying a bunch out of pocket to go with you guys. That was my big takeaway. Yeah. Yeah. Like what's the downside here? It can seem like it when you look at it like a lump sum, but then when you breaking up your own costs as well. And yeah, it's, I don't know, these trips are like you called it the trip of the lifetime earlier. And it is.

I mean, these weeks are weeks you'll remember and talk about and joke about forever. I still have a text thread with my buddies from Scotland, who went two years ago. And these things should be done right. If you're going to make the efforts come all the way across or the bond to come here, go to Mexico, they may come from public. You want somebody looking out after you and make they want You guys want your users to walk away saying they had a great experience That that to you to your you know your users is priceless because you guys are gonna You know if something goes wrong at any point you're gonna remedy in some way. So like you said there's recourse within it

So oh yeah, I mean like being in some way. So like you said, there's recourse within it. So. Oh yeah, I mean, like being in the industry, like that's everything. It's relationships like having, not having to call into some, you know, call center and be like, you know, sit on a hold for a while versus just, you can call somebody up and say,

hey, fix this. You know what? We have, then, you know, we do a variety of business. We said people are some middle-aged, and like, a few weeks ago, someone's taxi didn't turn up. Like, I wasn't trying to book your own cab when your cab wasn't turned up in Dubai when you turned out in the language, trying to Google taxi and do, you know, like, the cause of the actual country, Facebook, we straight on it, sort of out with a five minutes, and

then a new cab turns up. And it's that sort of thing where you don't want to feel the pressure is, actual country, basically, Facebook, which straight on it, sort of out with five minutes and then a new captain's. And it's that sort of thing where you don't want to feel the pressure as someone to sort like yourself, particularly with regards to Mexico and the Dominican at the moment, which maybe new countries to you, which may be a different language if you're in certain parts of this country's to. And like I said earlier, you can, people can say to you,

I want to play this, this, this, and this course, but if somebody doesn't know all the courses as well, you guys know At least options to send people to and we didn't come we didn't start this this trip Like hey, we want to play this, this, and this you got you came up with a lot of these courses that we played and We walked away blown away from from all of them for the most part so So so it's talking about too, like we were talking about. Which other coast were you saying? Yeah, so down in Kent, you've obviously got rural St. George's where the opening is in

2020 and Prince is, which is right next door, you know, two five minutes when he is down in San Luis, which, you know, the accommodation is just on point there. It's everything set up for golf. It's like what you experience this week, and it's dry because it's Sunday, so it's a bit warm because it's down on the South Coast, although we didn't quite leave that this week. And then, you know, so they're sort of the mixy areas,

and then you've got some of the areas closer to London, which are sort of the sorry Heathland belt, so you've got places like Sunningdale and Fox Hills, Mae'n gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r

gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r get the wrong week we do a lot of business with Scott and the Nyan and we're not trying to put people off going to those destinations but you know if you've done there or you don't fancy Scott and all you know even if you're in London for the week and you want to tag on three days you know at the end of your business trip to go and stay at someone like the Grove with British masters last year it's like 20 minutes from the central London you can get out there it's a great location you can go and play sort of 20 or 30 courses within an hour's drive from there, yeah it's just letting people know that it's not the beer on end or to go and play same-tandrues or raw country down or port rush, these places are great and what we highly recommend them but there's a lot of people listening this, probably have played, you know some of them have played those courses, yeah.

I mean if you've done those a of our clients are pretty seasoned travellers. I don't think you go to, you don't think you go to these places on a whim. Like, you, they're going to be, you know, fair trunk of your budget to go and play. Anywhere in Scotland, but I am Doringland. So it's not something you do decide on the last minute. So you've probably been there before, if not, you've done a bit of research. Yeah, if you're fancy someone else in London, as far as I can turn, that's the best of the best golf in the UK and some of my favourite courses of anywhere playing the world.

Can we talk about your cheeky forward? Yeah, a full rescue, so I decided about two years ago that I'm not good enough to buy long-dines anymore. So I just replaced them and hid it from anywhere from about 70 L, too. And you're 85-yard putt. I'm 85-yard putt. It's helping with my chipping. It's been a bit yippy to put it politely.

And it's harder to doful thinner 75 yards the word yes, and you can way too often this week I thought I was I kind of Pulled myself back from the brink today You were in a little bit of a at uh at at uh walls lady I was uh Still in Saturday I was still in Saturday. I was, I think, eight or ninth whole, I was getting to, I was rapidly approaching a dark,

dark alley and they were going to, like, they were demons coming for me and then I kind of pulled myself back from the brink there. Tom's coming when I took the wrong bat today and he had to use my love watch. I really like the way it sits really tight behind the ball. That's the exact reason I don't like it, because that's where I hit, like, not the ball behind it. And it digs in, it goes about two years forwards. That's why I don't carry a lot of watch. I think that's why I thought it looks so sexy, because then it seemed one and so long.

There's not many easy places to chip from, at least from the courses that we kind of play from. I thought it looked so sexy, because it seemed like it was so long. There's not many easy places to chip from, at least from the courses that we kind of played from. You're better off taking the four of them. That's why you have to put it. I'm about three rounds away from buying one of those Odyssey Chippers. Oh, come on. You already started the trip playing yellow balls, man. Yeah, we get out there and we're like, he and man like,

like, and like, we didn't know James on at all at this point. We're playing with him and I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna have to crop your balls. At three, yes. Because people are gonna absolutely light our asses up on Twitter. You did bonus. I know so tempted to rope up in a what belt fist. Pay the pay the pay the bill rope up in a what belt first. It was right.

Painted yet a bull. Just get a full whole home. Well actually, yeah, can we talk about... So, I did not feel like ironing my pants. Oh, yeah, we got fucked up. Yeah, so somebody roasted me for wearing like rain pants on Thursday. They roast my swing is now a full time thing. It's a roast my entire day.

And then, yeah, so Friday, I wore khakis. Just like these nice khakis that I have. And we had gotten in relatively late to Liverpool, checked into the hotel. And then the last thing I wanted to do in the morning We had gotten in relatively late to Liverpool, checked into the hotel, and then, the last thing I wanted to do in the morning was iron my pants. No.

And, and like, meanwhile, I'm trying to talk solid into wearing a white belt. Like, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, and I was disappointed he didn't. Like, it was, you had the blueberry outfit on. I did not have the blueberry outfit. I had the blue pants, and you wanted to be a white shirt and you're like me like White belt actually

And you said what I knew him just messing with me. I didn't fall for it But really lucky you let it go like Needy three days later you're right over the coffee bounce calmness. It will so yeah, so this guy I'm gonna find it Well, so yeah, so this guy I'm gonna find it So I put some I put some picture of on Instagram and People just start lighting me up Ryan T. Beach is Tron wearing packs on cacke jeans dear Lord Laptop my ass up Tim cut left my ass up Tron wearing those Kirkland signature pants.

Tron, you cannot be the arbiter of golf style and roll out in skinny jean khakis. Please, Matt Jarvis, your boy, please tell Tron to take that three-ring binary calls and yardage book out of his skinny jean pocket. Jim Harboss saw how khakis look on you and decided today you can no longer wear khakis Where's the iron one? Is that on Twitter?

What was that one? The ironing one. Did I say that one already? Ironing your pants. Oh I think somebody mentioned it offhand, but there was there was too many to keep track of but yeah like I went I went there was too many to keep track of. But yeah, like I went, I went, like my game was a shell of itself for about six holes after that. Like two holes later you bring it up again. These things are bad, right? Well this is like on the heels of roast my swing.

I think he was mentioned on about the 12 hole or something, the final sort of seven, there's every third shot. Well, I think he's okay, honestly. I can get away with it, yeah, that's fine, isn't it? It was, yeah, so then yesterday James, James rolls up, like, see him in the hotel lobby, and he's like, he's like,

bitches, my outfit is on fleek Murdered out the touch of great and then solos were in the the bone gray pants I didn't get too much heat from you. I was very conservative in all of my dress this week because I was with I tried it so I was at One of the nine golf. And I tried it, so I was at, I don't know, one of the nine golfsmiths in Naples, Florida, like, I thought the golf industry, like the golf, like retail industry was absolutely dying until I went to Naples, Florida for a couple weeks. And there's like, there's a PGA tour superstar

next to a golfsmith, next to like an Edwin Watts, like it was insane, but they had They had these gloves on on sale. I almost bought Sally a pair of sketchers for the chip over here, but then They had these underarm like blue and green like camo gloves On sale and I bring it over to Sally and he's like this thing's awesome I liked it. I mean that it worked. See, kind of one of the blueberry else. It was on Twitter. Jay Moore said, Tron's high on golf fashion and look, but forgot to iron his pants. Almost as push card mafia oh shit you're in dude yes like my back and shoulders would have been jelly without that I mean I played a hundred and 108 holes in four days

it's the courses here are designed for that kind yeah a lot of places so that was yeah so I so even some of the courses in the States, I've used the push cart out of Essex and a couple other old school classic designs in New England where it's green and teabox are right next to each other. And even there, you still had to worry about logistics. Like, all right, I have to go around to this side and whereas here it was just like man like I will never carry my own bag again if I

don't have to like it was I don't give a shit how it looks like I that's the part people need to get over because I've said this before on podcasts like you If we're ranking like manliest things you can do is carry your own bag Then it's walk with a trolley as they call him here or a push cart Third is have a caddy carry your bag for you for this ride in a cart All right, so unless you walk with carrying your bag every single night and I'm not endorsing it for like NCAA championships I do think it's bullshit that they're using a push cart there. I still think that sucks like competitive golf. I think you need to carry you need to carry your bag. For me

it's if you're gonna play a lot of golf. Yeah if I'm gonna walk 18 holes I can okay. Exactly. But if I'm walking 36, no way. No way. The single worst part about it is how about it looks in photos? That's the worst. It ruins like so much. So great. We need some Photoshop help for a lot of the photos and videos on this trip.

So. Yeah, there were some, yeah, I mean people were throwing hay makers. Oh, like nice old car. I brushed that off. Yeah, it's like I don't I don't go play You're kidding just wrong play ten rounds of golf over here and tell me you're going into a playing with a trolley more often So I think that's it. No raps. It man. That's almost anything else to add now. That's great time you guys guys across We need to do it again and try and get you the two across at some point. Yeah, you're a big Randy You guys yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm thinking of you. So I like solid called this like a spiritual pilgrimage That was really a bucket of like a Randy take

We need to we need to get your ass over here We did sit in the clubhouse at Liverpool and you said that Randy would have just like... Randy would have just been fully erected. Yeah, I'm tired. So, well, I speak for, I think I speak for Toronto as well, saying thank you James for having us out for a truly special experience.

Yeah, can't endorse the the the treatment we got for it and the courses that we play and the whole experience. Just like-minded, like-minded golf, golfer probably will be a friend for a long time. Yeah, so it's, man, it's hard to say goodbye. It's gone, but we got to. Cheers until next time. Get the right club. Be the right club today. Yes! That is better than most. How about it? It is better than most. Better than most. Better than most.