No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 755: Steph Curry

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

Ahead of the start of the 2023-24 NBA season, Soly catches up with Steph Curry who was just named the 2023 Charlie Sifford Award winner for his efforts in advancing diversity in the game of golf. We cover Steph's work with the Underrated Golf Tour and the Howard University golf teams plus his current competitive golf aspirations and his plans for golf when his basketball career comes to a close. We also get into his thoughts on the Ryder Cup and some comparisons to his experiences with USA Basketball. 0:00 Steph Curry's golf game 07:10 Underrated Golf Tour 13:20 Howard University 18:50 Life after basketball, The Match 24:20 Ryder Cup and USA Basketball overlap Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yes. That is better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up podcast. Solid here. Got a fun interview with Steph Curry coming up shortly. We chatted for about 30 minutes.

A few days ago ahead of him receiving the Charlie Siford award. I love talking with this dude. I love just hearing about all the things he's got going on in the game with golf and speaking him about his passion and the impact he's making and I think the impact he's going to make throughout the course of his playing career and whatever comes after his basketball playing career because it's not like he's going to be involved in golf in a lot of ways. We really appreciate his time. We appreciate whoop the partner for this episode, the official fitness wearable of the PGA tour. You somehow don't know by now. Woop is a sleek, screenless wearable, attracts your sleep, attracts your strain, your recovery, your stress, and more with personalized insights that help you reach your goals. It might be, you know, trying to squeeze out a little more effort in the gym. You might be trying to shoot your lowest scores this year, get the few extra hours of sleep. Woop helps you build

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but you got to tell me there's at least a tiny little part of you that went in NBA season starting to fire up. That means less golf. Like I know, I know at least a little bit about you when it comes to golf. I know there's a little bit in there. Tell me that's true. Oh, 100% especially, uh, my golf season in the summer went this year. What's that mean? There's one alternative that I obviously played in the, uh, in the match with my, my teammate Clay and my homes and Kelsey.

So like, the amount of golf that I played this summer was, uh, was solid to your point though when October hits, every time I pull up my garage I looked at my clubs and see them collecting cobwebs and all that. And it even sucks more this year because Calaway just sent me the new cavity bag, muscle bag, apex pros and all that. So I just got those and I was not going to be able to use them for a while. So, they're definitely better sweet. Going in my 15 year in the league, I'm definitely blessed to, you know, keep hoping and still playing at a high level. But your imagination creeps into what,

what were those nine months without basketball look like for my golf game? Is there no, is there no golf like during basketball season? Like, how do you, do you get, you got to get some stuff in while you're on the road. I know you got a favorite course in each city when the weather permits. Yeah, it's kind of hit or miss. I would say it probably averages to like twice a month during the season. And you know, you're dealing with daylight, obviously with practice, like you can't get out of the gym early enough to go out and make it worth it. We never hit in East Coast cities most of the winter. So yeah, I'd say probably twice a month, but spring, and then come playoff time,

I actually play a lot more. It's great kind of a balance of the intensity and the pressure of the season and being able to get away for a little bit when I can fit it in and not wear myself out either. Somebody's got to get up to get into your Wikipedia page. They have you have a five handicap in there and I don't know if that's what led you to lead to win. Yeah, what is the actual index at these days? So after every handicap

disclaimer or you don't have a whole kind of assay before I actually say the number but I had like I said I played before I actually say the number, but I had, like I said, I played the best golf in my life this summer. I had to put in a bunch of tournament scores this year. So I actually got down to a plus three at one point. So obviously I wasn't winning too many bets after that. Definitely a nice vanity handicap, but stuff, I probably played to it for probably three weeks in the

summer and then the clothes you get to the season, you got to carry it, but we'll see what happens. Well, that's the worst thing. You're not going to get enough rounds in either to let the stuff start falling off and all that. I've been through those cycles. You cannot maintain a playing pace at that because at some point you're going to start playing less.

No, 100%. I keep looking at my card, and there's probably like five rounds in the 60s that I'm just waiting for in the fall off, because, but it all to your point, though, it is nice to be playing as a good golf where you actually stuff that you're working on starting to take shape and playing in that American century in Tahoe. You have to kind of play to that.

There's so much talent up there. You kind of got to play around that number and do it for three straight days to win it. So to finally get that done was pretty dope. Yeah, I mean, come on. You played corn fair event. You shot 71 in a corn fair event. Like, come on, I want to see you back,

like take into more exemptions. Have there been more opportunities since that? I know you played it back to back years, I believe, in the one out there. Have there been more opportunities and will you take any more in the future? I would definitely would if the opportunity presented itself with the interesting part

about the LA May class, I got a TPC stonberry out in the bay. I played in, I think it was 17 and 18. And then that next year, the tournament left and it wasn't hosted at the same venue. So there's always been conversations. Actually, I don't think there's been an actual offer since then, but I definitely have an appetite to find some type of competitive golf moving forward,

especially when I'm done playing. It's kind of cool just to know, like, I know there's a huge conversation when I played it before about when a sponsor's exemption actually means and you're not taking somebody's spot, not as so once we got past the narrative of that it's like it's such a cool opportunity to shine a light on whatever term it is. Obviously, test my metal out there with the pros but when you put golf on display for the world, everybody's trying to figure out a way to bring some fresh energy to it.

And for me to highlight what those amazing pros are doing on the corn fray tour show how good they really are. Tell a couple stories with some of the guys. It was an amazing experience, so I would definitely do it again. Yeah, I mean, we're recording this on Saturday night after Lexi just missed the cut at the Shriners. I was watching all of the, I would not have been watching on ESPN plus on a Friday afternoon if wasn't for that. Like unrestricted sponsors exemptions, you should take anyone that you get as long as

it falls when you're when that plus three is peaking. So, uh, uh, I think that they ain't going out there. First, well, congratulations on being named the 2024 Charlie Siford award winner. Uh, your work with the Howard golf team, you know, has been, has been decently well-documented in the golf world, and I wanna follow up with that. But tell us about the underrated golf tour. What you're doing there, it's remarkable from the stuff I've heard, I don't think I fully appreciate it

until I was getting ready to chat with you tonight. But tell us about what that is and what you've seen out of that program so far. It's been great, man. I think the foundation of the underrated golf tour is continuing to boost resources and opportunity for the underrepresented, especially in the competitive golf age where some of the counterparts are playing in some of the age AGA events that are

amazing around the country. And we're trying to find a way to kind of boost up that pipeline of how do we get more black and brown kids out there on the golf course you know supporting them and their families in terms of getting them to the venues and creating first-class experiences for them at you know PGA major type venues creating a base where you know these kids really believe that you know they're first or talented second that if you give them the experience and boost confidence and give them an opportunity to shine,

that it can change lives. And for us to be where we are in our second year, we've had 10 total tour stops. We've supported this equity on both the Boys and Girls side. This year we're up to about 100 tour members that got to travel to four different venues around the country, play in two day tournaments. We had a local qualifier for kids who were in whichever region.

And they all kind of competed through those tour stops. And then there was a Curry Cup out in the Bay Area where we brought the top 12 boys and the top 13 girls out for the tournament or the championship tournament. And Skylash have been awarded everything's free of charge for the kids to come to each event. We have some amazing sponsors and supporters. KPMG was the title sponsor this year

who really showed up in a meaningful way to give these kids a first class experience and A lot of kids are left behind in this age range where You know, they can't afford to go to all the different tournaments. They haven't had the the same kind of runway to qualify for certain events and so We've had two or three in our first year and hopefully hopefully a lot more, they're gonna get college scholarships out of the exposure that they've had through the tournament. I'm sorry, through the tour. And we're just getting started,

trying to take it international next summer. Hopefully have kind of an introductory tour stop over across the pond in Europe, and eventually kind of grow the same format overseas. And as long as it answers what it really is, but the biggest thing is that golf is such a vehicle for change, not just in the playing perspective, like the competitive golf element can take kids

to college scholarships, like I said, further the educational experiences, networking. All the while, we're trying to teach them work for skills and character development skills that can help them prepare them for wherever they end up. We obviously the North stars to get as many as much more representational in both the LPGA, PGA tours and international tours. But meanwhile, we know that not everybody's going to make money playing this game. So if we can get them in the right rooms through golf, like that's going to change lives forever.

Can you give people a listen idea that they're not familiar, if they don't have kids to play AJGA or didn't play AJGA themselves or kind of give people an idea of what the pipeline into competitive golf looks like and what the hurdle is to clear for young people of any race or color playing golf growing up? Yeah, I mean the introductory phase is actually really solid right now. There's obviously everybody, most people who know golf know it have heard of the first tee, the PJ of America.

It's a great program, it's a PJ junior league. And that's, they've been a great job of trying to get clubs and kids hands early. There's an organization called Youth on Course that does a lot of amazing work to kind of be the bridge of okay kids are interested in the game They go to the driving range they go to the first tea Programs in their their sites, but then they want to go play and you can't afford green fees They can't afford to go different places, and so they subsidize that effort to get kids on courses

but from You know this call it from eight years old maybe nine nine, eight, nine, ten to, you know, 17 when they're trying to become, you know, college ready, it's an expensive journey. It's, you know, obviously we know golf is an equipment, travel, you know, lodging, registration fees, like, there are amazing tournaments and if you can afford to do it, like, it's such a rewarding experience and you know there's so many different success stories of people who have gone both you know young boys and girls have gone through that program but if you don't have that access you don't

have that know how exactly to your question even from a parent perspective you don't know where to send your kids were passionate about the game and you got to can't afford to to keep up that pace like that's where a lot of kids get left behind. And so we're trying to, you know, be support and be resources in that window. And like I said, there's so many talented kids that get a club in the hand early. Do you see that light, you know, kind of that light bulb go off?

And what do they do from there? And for us, that's a huge goal of ours to kind of answer that question. Well, like you said, also, it's a huge goal of ours to kind of answer that question. Well, like you said, also, it's just getting them in the golf ecosystem. It doesn't mean you have to make your way all the way to any kind of tour of any kind. But if you, even if you make it to play D3 college golf or something, and that leads you to a whole different network and path of, golf has led me so many different places. And it's a, it is a privilege, though, man. It's not something that's afforded everyone. And a lot of people talk about growing the game and a lot of it I roll my

eyes at honestly and I just I'm still stunned as like I think we did a podcast three years ago where we were talking about what you're doing with Howard and I'm stunned that you know it's an NBA star that's kind of taking all these initiatives in the game of golf and I think it's fantastic but what's the updated Howard I mean not only know, you started a new initiative, but there's an initiative you've been involved with, I think, four years, five years now. It's amazing how much time has flown by here, but people that aren't familiar with what you started

or booted back up at Howard. And what have you seen from that program since the golf program has been revitalized? Yes, it's been five years since we announced this was happening and they're currently in their third season. So it's the same kind of energy I have around the underrated golf tours,

exactly what Howard was supposed to be. It's a North Star of like people giving a vision of what's possible through the game, exactly what you just said about. Again, there's some really talented kids that I hope and pray that you see them on a professional tour or some way and they're making money playing this game. But what these kids have shown in terms of that golf ecosystem, the world and the business of golf, the ability to walk into a room with presence and present themselves, their passions,

their interests, have people, mentors that have come answer the call on how can they help these kids kind of understand what the path is to leadership positions and all different type of industries. And meanwhile, they're playing amazing golf. They've won the PGA Works Championships. The Men's Side is won the P PJ works national championship the last two years You've had Greg Odom Jr

Who's going into this third year on the team who's played in a PJ tour event EJ Whiten who's another amazing talent who's been with our program for these last three years kind of taking strides as played in a couple of Cornfairy events our program for these last three years, kind of taking strides as played in a couple core and fair events. We have women on the team as well who are excelling Kendall Jackson who's won a couple of tournaments, I believe, who's just an amazing representative of what golf should be,

but also HBCUs and how special those universities and cop black colleges are, just create and get an opportunity. And so for us, how quickly this is kind of taking shape has been awesome. Our coach Sam, he's just been a true pioneer of taking this opportunity and running with him. So I hope that you'll see us compete at the national level. Hopefully really soon we're starting to get into that recruiting circles and there's a lot of

these cycles that go through it. But I'm super happy that a vision that was born out of a random meeting with a Howard student named OJ, sorry, Otis Ferguson, the fourth and him talking about, now I've been playing on the club golf team for a while. I don't want to bring the division one men's women's golf teams back like how do we make this happen? And five years later we're here. Do you feel, I guess the momentum that you've kind of seen happen with Howard is that kind of a at least a a motivator with the underrated golf tour? Do you kind of get the sense of the ball is really rolling in minority development and golf?

Outside of just what you're doing. I think it is. I think it's gauging kind of the public interest and public meeting the traditions of golf and the people that are making, who make decisions in the world of golf where investments really, really add. And I think there are so many clubs around the country that have,

you know, even repicked up the phones to, hey, can we host an underrated tour stop here? There's been countless marketing agents from different companies who say, hey, we want to support this in whatever way like how can we start a conversation. There's some people that want to be involved in help and maybe have for a long time and never really new how to. And so for us to kind of get that response and that energy, I feel like the tide is changing on that.

I think there needs to be a little bit more time for us to really kind of see the fruits of all the labor because for us and the Howard Golf team, we've had maybe one graduate who's left. And this crop that's been there now has been represented for these teams for the last three years. Are really about to blossom the underrated golf tour we just had our first senior class last year and three year in playing division one college golf right now. So one's actually going to Howard next year. So it's pretty awesome to see all the different connectivity there. You know, we're still motivated knowing that this is

still early in our journey. But do you have a question about the landscape overall? I feel like there's just a lot of attention on, okay? This is models that can work and how can everybody be a part of it or find a way to take the baton and run with themselves. Well, it goes without saying anything that we can do to help that in any way. We are, we are all ears on all that, but what is golf? What does your future look like in golf

after your basketball playing career? I'm sure there's a lot of basketball fans that would love me to pin you down on when that would be. I'm not trying to do that. I've just said that at some point, your career, your basketball career will come to an end. Do you picture yourself kind of transitioning into something more full-time with golf at that point? Yeah, I got three years left on my current NBA deal. And there's a new TV deal coming next summer, I believe, so the collective barter agreements

looking really good for me to stay in shape and keep playing basketball for as long as I can. But when it's all said and done, I want to find a way to scratch the competitive itch. And I don't necessarily envision chasing a professional career and golf at all, but just in terms of like all the amateur events you can play and know the some guys

that have kind of written the playbook on what that kind of schedule looks like. Some of the celebrity stuff that there's another one in Orlando that play with the LPG. Obviously, Tahoe, some other amateur events that I can play in or try to qualify for and all that type of stuff. So you'll probably see me all over the place there, but then when it comes to what we were just talking about with Underrated and Howard and understanding where they're going to be three years from now and being able to jump in like from a time perspective for me is gonna be exciting. Even knowing how cool it is, some of these people who've created courses for themselves and like what courses I'm looks like and creating an experience there is something that's kind of peaked my interest. So I feel like there's gonna be a nice portfolio of stuff that from a golf perspective,

cost those three different buckets that you'll see me show up in heavily. And obviously I've maintained a basketball presence. I don't think I wanna go into coaching or anything like that, but in some way make sure I'm giving back to the game that bless me, but I haven't really figured that would not yet. Golf is, uh, yeah, it's, it's clearly a passion. I love it. What, uh, let's go back.

I want to talk about the match, not the one from this summer. I want to go way back three years. You're going to fill it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Feeling Chuck. That, well, I think we did our pod literally right before that happened. You're playing with Peyton up against Phil and Chuck. What, what was that competitive scene like, right?

It's a made for TV product. You're mic'd up. It's entertaining, but I know you're competitive as hell. You want to beat those guys yet. You're not a professional golfer. You're playing against a Hall of Famer. I know he's got Charles Barkley holding him down, but that was just such an interesting whole concept, right?

I'm like, all right, he's a plus one. Oh, he's not really a plus one. Look, he can't hit it. What was that of that experience? I absolutely loved it because there's no way for anybody to... I talked to Clay when we did this one. There's no way to explain when you're playing golf and you know it's on TV, you know you're playing to your point, alternate shot with paid manning who's the solid golfer, but neither one of us have ever made any money playing the game.

And, you know, we understand what our skill set is. And then you look over and it's Phil Mugelson kind of giving game from the time he showed up on property, showing off his clubs, all the different physics he goes through on every shot. And it's like just another language that you have no idea what he's talking about. Meanwhile, Chuck's over there. And I feel like, man, I feel like we got hustled

because it was at Phil's home course. They had been there for a whole week scouting it out. It was like the rider Coke because he was the home team and he got the set up the course how he wanted to. And so we just walked into a bus on it. And the conversation around like, what does the plus one actually look like? And what other plus ones have played better

in that scenario. I just love the conversations around golf because until you're in that environment, you have no idea how you'll respond or what the emotions are. And you look at pros who go out to shoot 63 with their eyes closed. And then when the lights come on in the tournament, it's a totally different ballgame. And once you're

in there, it's hard to explain. So I love being tested in that way. So I would love to play more of them just because there's no better feeling of adrenaline and nerves and everything that brings out of you. But Phil definitely got the best of us from a strategy and performer standpoint. You just hate to see it. That's the thing that people don't, I get this all the time on the internet as well, but people don't realize that when you're a plus one, like, hey, 12 of your 20 scores, they're getting thrown out.

Like I shoot 80 all the time. Absolutely all the time, right? But I'm also supposed to 68 every now and then like that's kind of the deal. Like sometimes plus ones look like, you know, that one your best that one your best golf, but man, it's hard play golf in front of cameras and all that stuff going on is a totally different piece. I think you need to get in like the mid am circuit. Like that's you've been talking like kind of celebrity stuff.

I want to see you get into like kind of the real amateur stuff. 25 and older. I think you really thrive in that environment. Yeah, that's on my radar for sure. I got some boys who play golf with Charlotte and some guys I play with regularly out here in my club in California who who try to qualify for it once one play the last year out in sleepy hollow. I think you read last year. Yeah, yeah. In the mid mid-amps, they kind of live and vicariously through them on what that experience is like that's definitely in my future for sure.

But to your point is about can you get the right window of time to kind of get everything sharp leading up to my golfers hit or miss? I don't know when I think the long the furthest advance I've scheduled a tournament is only Tahoe just because it's the same week every year, but other than that on the regular, I don't know if I'm playing tomorrow or six days from now, especially when you have these kids. So it's a little bit different vibe, but in due time, that death is in my future.

I think last I saw you was at Wistwick Straits at the Ryder Cup. Did you watch much of the Ryder Cup this year in Italy? I stayed up late on the West Coast for sure to watch as much as I could. Even for I saw the opening t-shirt on the foreball first round. I think I've kind of dosed off around maybe whole 14 or so and woke up to the massacre. So it was a. That for me it was just mad fun because I think the course showed really well.

It was like a really fun venue for them to host it at. Obviously, the European's played unbelievable. And there's a lot I did picking around. Some of, you know, Zach Johnson's groupings early in the tournament and all that type of stuff. But when you look at it, the European's just outplayed them. And there's no two ways around it. So I'm looking forward to hopefully I went to the one that It's called with some straights and saw you know how but it was right kind of at the end of COVID

So it was a different atmosphere Everybody who says if you love the Ryder Cup I talked to interview Michael Jordan about golf and his love for the Ryder Cup And he was like there's just no better experience than going over across the pond and then being there for that hostility and that energy over there. But I'm looking forward to us kind of responding in the best phase next two years.

And I hope to be there to watch him. Well, I mean, you've been a part of great teams. And I know golf is a weird sport. It's individual 103 you know, 103 weeks out of 104 every two year cycle for Europeans. I know that the Americans have the president's cup as well. But what do you do anything, any of your team sport insight and your golf experience combined into anything to set up? What would you possibly do to kind of simulate the culture or imitate the culture that Europe's able to create to be able to play

this amazing golf in this event in the US? Europe's able to create to be able to play this amazing golf in this event. And the US can't seem to do consistently. They can do it periodically but they cannot do it consistently year to year. Any insight on that? It's tough, because even my team USA experience, we play against each other all year.

I played on two World Cup teams and this is like as close as I would get to art, we've done guys together with two weeks of prepare and you're trying to build chemistry and trying to figure out what works and what doesn't and that's why for us in basketball like the world has caught up because there's a lot more synergy of guys that have played together forever and they just know each other so well and it tends to bleed into the performance on the court of one how different international play is, but you know, just the the comfortability and familiarity with each other. So I don't know if that's the

similar. Oh, that's exactly why I wanted to ask you like it's because it's just different. You got to play a different role when you're playing on team USA, then you do on the Warriors. And that's just I don't feel like that's how the US treats it. And I feel like how Europe treats it in golf and I know it's obviously different but there's something to that. Yeah, I mean those learnings though that's the challenge right because once the power balance shifts and I know the world and landscape are going for shifts and every day and it's a lot to be kind of solved there but how are you kind of response to that and how you

build like a culture of you know team USA Team USA golf, you know, you dominate the presence cup with the rider cup, that's the one unanswered question that we got to figure out. So, like, I don't know from a coaching perspective, even too, how do you build like that team culture from the time, you know, you're starting to recruit and how every detail matters, in terms of how you, you know, you communicate with the guys that you know are already qualified to the guys that are on the bubble, to the selection process and how that all kind of bleeds into the vibe and the energy that you bring to whatever if it's overseas or here. All that stuff matters for us coaching is a huge part of success in terms of building culture

and being able to rely on that, especially when you deal with a little bit of adversity. And what the team rooms are feeling like, just seeing like they have way more fun too. So I don't know if that's a part of it, and there's that comfortability and that familiarity. And you want everybody to bring their ego, right? You want them to bring the talent and who they are. But that sacrifices for me.

Without having talked to them, I don't know how much that lens into what, you know, I'm just trying to put that ball in the hole, but I know it go way, way beyond that. You know, and that's the one I'm, I'm curious about as a fan for sure. The constant tug. I'm the exact same way. I'm like, ah, it's just about the golf. And no, it's not more than just the golf. Like, we've clearly see that to this point. I'm curious, a basketball question there. You just referred to international play being different. What is so different about it?

I'm a basketball fan, but I struggled to still put my finger on that after seeing it for so many years. Yeah, it's interesting because it's a, the spacing's usually a little different because personnel is different and the game has to be played a certain way based on the way that they put teams together Like you watch us in the NBA You might only see you know one big out of out of the five guys on the court and

Predominantly and Phoebe, you know, it's kind of a more traditional style of basketball the way that's refereed is different and so you have to kind of adjust to that. And I think the spacing part is for us like the biggest thing to adjust to because shooting is such a priority and such a valuable skill set. And when you don't have it and your ability to you know create space and create good shots and it becomes, becomes harder. And it's like the college tournament, the March Madness vibe where, you know, one of the, I know as a critique of NBA is our regular season doesn't matter. We feel like it matters and like there's just 82 games that you kind of have to pace yourself. But in fever, like it's, it's winter, there's serious consequences

every single night and a lot of guys have a hard time living up to that and that's what you know makes it so much fun to watch. Speaking of international ball and shooting in particular what's what's the buzz like around Wimby? I know he's he's a spurries not a warrior but you know he played last we're recording this again on Saturday we played last night made a made quite a splash. Have you seen I what's the hype like for him comparative all the people you've seen come what's the hype like for him comparative, all the people you've seen come and go in your time in the league? I mean, it's different just because he's from France and not many people have seen him.

Like when Brown was coming out, Katie was coming out, Derek Rose was coming out, all the guys that were going to be, you know, number one and number two pick and like the next biggest thing. Like you saw them a lot more up close and personal later years in high school and obviously in college. The Wembe was like this myth that was like this is 7-4 guy. It plays like a shooting garden, but nobody really watched this game. So now when you see him, it's like it just looks like an alien out there. And we actually play a preseason game against them,

our last preseason game. So I have a better understanding once you see his presence on the court. I don't think I've ever been on a court with the guy that told Letta Loan a guy that has a skill set he does. So it's great for the league to have, you know, a phenom like that that's coming in and on a team that's trying to reestablish who they are. Obviously pop-up bitch is a happy man. So it's gonna be interesting to watch as is rookie year and full for sure. Well, we appreciate you

spend some time with this best of luck with the 2023 2024 season congratulations again on being named the 2024 Charlie Siford award winner. I will be honing my game for the next three to eight years who knows how long it'll be ready for you when you get make your way out in the mid-Amp circuit, we appreciate the time, man. Absolutely. Maybe you get a little forebomb going and figure it out. But a big fan of the pie, there's a golf nerd

and a golf junkie that every tournament recap and just the way that y'all break it down for the layman and also the knowledgeable golf fans, the big, big gifts. Appreciate y'all having me on again. You fans. It's a big, big gift. I appreciate you having me on again. You bet. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. Get a right club. Be the right club today.

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