No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - NLU Podcast, Episode 771: Jon Rahm to LIV

Episode Date: December 8, 2023

We rallied the crew to go live shortly after Jon Rahm officially announced that he would be joining LIV Golf. We talk about today's announcement, what it means, the ridiculous letterman jacket, how this all likely gets resolved, and where we go from here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm going to be the right club today. Yeah! That's better than most. How about him? That is better than most. Better than most. is off to live, Sully here, Pymand dressed to the nines. How are you Pymand? Good evening. Greetings guys,

good to be with you on this fine evening. December 7th today that may live in in for me. And good to be with you guys. Don't cancel. Like Sean McDermott. Yeah. TC is here. Hello TC. Hello, you know, I thought we were going to get all our fireworks this morning after those two blockbuster trades.

It went down with Bubba completely turned it over the range goats, but here we are. Another one that, you know, we've been prognosticating for a while. So I'm excited to break it down with you guys. KVV is here. Hello, Kevin. Good evening. So I am just here to apologize for whatever role my rom impression may have played in this. Feel like, you know, it was all in good fun. We were having a great time during the Phoenix Open and all that. But if I contributed this anyway, I'd like to apologize for our constituency. Listen, I was not expecting to do a live show this time of year because we are deep

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Uh, it's Genoa Kingston High School. That's what's in it. GK. Uh, my letter of Meeklet. Letter of Meeklet. Letter of Meeklet is back in Montana for for all those asking. What does yours say? Genoa Kingston High School. That's what's in GK. Let him let him check it. It's back in Montana for all those asking. I see some people in the chat being like, oh, where's the loser college athlete?

No, no. So it's back in my, some growing moth balls in my parents' closet. Did you get one for college football as well? You know, they didn't, I did not get a, I only played in like two college games T.C. So I'm not sure what have you even qualified for a letter if they gave those out. The lot of a lot of practice time though, a lot of getting my face kicked in by future NFL lineman.

Can we get to the story of the day? You know, the reaction to the rollback, of course, is what we want to cover in tonight's show. Just you know, just want to kind of go maybe rehash a couple topics from that show last night that we did, but Kevin I don't know if you're going to be with us the whole night. So I'll start with you. What's your what's your reaction to this total shock of a move John Rondle, we did not see this coming. Yeah, you know, I surveyed some of my friends who are not in our golf media space recently. I was like, say, how do you feel? kind of about the state of pro golf at the moment and to I was like, say, how do you feel kind of about the state of pro golf at the moment? And two, just like one after another, they were all like, I'm so like infuriated by all of it.

I don't even really choosing sides in this moment. I just am exhausted by all this crap. And I feel like that was a pretty good temperature taking of the state of like people who don't follow this like quite as religiously as we do. Like it's just exhausting. And I think that the sort of between this and the literally the rollback stuff, the fan is kind of getting fucked over in a lot of ways.

And I just, I'm just kind of like trying to understand that perspective of, man, if you don't really like give a crap about the live, you know, PGA Tour War and you just want to play your golf every weekend and you would like to watch more golf than you could, but the commercials are always bogging you down. It's kind of a miserable week for you. You know, you see in stories about how PGA Tour can afford its purses and they don't really have a great plan for what's going forward and they just lost arguably their best player and You know, what are you gonna do like as a golf fan? Are you gonna actually like all right? Well just tune in anyway. Guess what you might not you might just be like you know what I'll catch it the majors

And that's it and what if golf is on a path Towards becoming tennis where we really don't care about anything, but the majors and maybe even less than we used to. That's my, I guess, kind of downer of a moment is like, I don't really blame John Rom for any of this. Like, if I were John Rom, I wouldn't have taken the money because I feel like it's a principled sort of stand for me and I would not have done this. But I don't blame him because I feel like, T.C., you could you kind of feel this too. Like the leadership is so fucking terrible within like the PJ Dwarf this moment that why would you trust one entity over the another?

Might as well get paid. 100% yeah, I mean, like it's like where's the light at the end of the tunnel? Right? Like, you know, like, am I am am I surprised that that a big player left? No. Am I surprised that, you know, going back three months or six months or whatever? Am I surprised it was wrong? A little bit. Yeah, based on some of the things he said and some of some of the things he said. after June 6th as well when Monahan drove a bus over his credibility and it's trust and everything. That's my big takeaway is like, where's Jay Monahan? Who's driving the bus at the tour? It's crazy. There's no there's no leadership whatsoever. We've been saying that for three years. We've been saying that even before all the live stuff started, we were saying that in 2019, early 2020. It's crazy. I feel like today, I can't tell if, first of all, when we, I mean, we found out Ram was

going, this is a couple of weeks ago now at this point, and I was stunned myself at my lack of emotional reaction to it. It was kind of an inward look of like, I've kind of bottomed out here, like I don't, I can't go any look, sir, I can't pull over any farther. Like I've bottomed out here as a golf fan. And I think I, I did a dead cat bounce off the bottom today. It was kind of like, started to picture like, all right, this is like, all right, one by one, we started picking apart a lot of the things that have kind of fallen apart in the golf world, probably four or five, maybe six years ago, even, I'm like, hey, guys, this part here doesn't make sense, right?

And then something new comes along like, well, hey, that doesn't make sense. Why are purses going up? Like the ratings aren't going up. And why are there two golf leagues? There's barely enough attention on one. And they're just layered all of this dumb shit on top of each other that makes no sense. And if you like today, it was a tipping point of like, all right, what it's a huge loss for the PGA tour. It's a huge win for Piff. Like I don't believe this is a huge win for live. If Dustin

Johnson and Bryson and Brooks, Keppka and Cameron Smith and all those didn't make people watch, I don't think Ram is going to do it. Right. I think, you know, all those guys are Phil Mickelson included. Those guys are all needle movers, kind of in the same vein that ROM is. ROM is obviously the top player that has done this and a totally different shift in that regard. But it just is like a total like, all right, now we're in the dumbest possible phase of all of this. There's nothing left to save on the PGA tour.

The mules are staging a coup and like there's no leadership at the top. There's no, you know, there's a supposed negotiation going on between Piff and the PGA tour. And like this has to be the thing that brings things together, right, because no one is winning currently, like the, you know, Piff is just losing less. Like, and they have more ammo and they have everything to withstand all this.

So I don't know, we can work our way into that, but I do feel like this is this can be a good thing. That's what we've sold like 500 tickets. They're Miami event. 500. There's okay. I'm a couple different minds here today, I think. I'm sorry. I'm with you and that I, if you had told me six months ago, like, hey, John Rom is gonna go to live. I think I would have had a much more emotional like Eulogizing the PJ tour type of reaction. I do want to just Underline underscore the jacket was pretty warm by the way, so I had to take that off, but Just I feel like for a podcast that really made its bones

Laughing at the absurdity of pro golf laughing at some of these moments. I think we got to just linger a little longer on John Rom on Fox News in a letterman jacket and bouncing that he's going to live with Brett bear is just maybe the all of it like who gives a fuck man like is like, look at what we're debating here. We're trying to, what are we trying to save? Like, who cares? And KVV, that's where I'm kind of with your friends. You were talking about earlier is much like we're talking about with the rollback stuff is like, if you like me and like,

I think all of us on here, if you want to spend 50, 60 hours a week on this stuff, keeping up on all the game theory, keeping up on all the different things, and all the different levers and machinations of what's going on, I can get to where I actually think this is probably a good day for golf fans, and I'll get to that in a second. But if I'm just a casual fan, I'm not reading the distance insights report.

I'm not following where like all the how rom affects the negotiations between PIF and you know all these private equity groups and the PGA tour and new co and all of these like who gives a fuck man that's that's exactly where I'm at is if I was a normal human being person I would say guys I'll see you on April 11th or whatever. Have fun. This looks like you're doing great. I'm going to go watch basketball or, you know, read a book or get ready for spring training. Like, fuck this. And, you know, I'll pause there, I guess, for your reaction. Oh, I think that's pretty accurate. I do want to pause on this a little bit. I feel like even myself probably giving Rahm a bit of a pass on all of this in terms of like, again, I talked about this

last weekend when we knew this was coming, it would be kind of did that show as if Rahm was going to leave. But man, I just I tend to take these guys at their word, right? When you say one thing, I don't even remember if I said this on the show Sunday, but after June 6th, this is after US Open, at LACC, we're walking the eighth fairway and I'm walking with Ram and Sergio. And Ram kind of pulled me aside as I was kind of sniffing around as to what's going on with this live stuff. And he was like, almost pulled me aside and stop asking me

about whether or not I'm going to live. I don't like the format, man. I told you I don't like the format. Give me the next David. Yeah. I'm not going'm going to live. I don't like the format man. Like I told you I don't like the format. Give me the next David. Yeah. I'm going to sort of ask it. But it was like very direct. I didn't even like commit the whole conversation

to memory because it was so much like, okay, like I, all right, let's move on to the other guy that maybe we're worried about jumping or whatever it might be. And he was just so adamant about it. So on that level, it's like dude, it's just kind of just so freaking otherworldly and bizarre to see him on Fox News and Pret Bayer. Just by day held hostage, it was supposed to happen at 11. There was something supposed to happen at three and then 445.

And it just come on till six or whatever it was. It's just, it's very surreal for someone that said, I don't like the format. 54 holes is not a golf tournament to now be like, oh yeah, this is, I'm excited to go grow the game. I can't believe he went for grow the game. Like, a whole mix, man. Even, even better than that, what I would take the most issue with, which again, you don't, I think we've said this a lot. Like, you don't get to take the half a billion dollars and like, look cool and like, demand respect for what you're saying. Like fuck off, man. Like you

get the money. That's the trade off. That congratulations. What you don't get to do is is go on and say like after you've spent two years, two and a half years, just farting in the general direction of how laughable this entire league is, you don't then get to come on and say like, I mean, they've just grown, they've just grown everything so much that I had to join. I just, I had to join. They've just, they've shown so much growth

is where it gets to like, dude, get out of here. This is my first. And innovation. One of my biggest, one of the biggest bombers for me is like, ROM is such an eloquent, interesting thinker who sort of prided himself on always being able to sort of give you some version of the truth. And if that gets like sanded down

and kind of neutralized, that's going to be such a bummer for me. You're like, you know, look, the majors measure way more than anything else, right? And so we're going to tune into the majors regardless. And I don't like kind of like, hey, John Rom, like I have plenty of good conversation with Brooks Keppka in the sort of time since he left to live. But if if Rom is like pushing the party line of like, this is the way and this is so cool. And you know, the team stuff is so matter-smash to me. And I just knew that this was the future of golf. That's going to be kind of a bummer to me because I think John was just so much more authentic than that and I can't really Stomach listening to that stuff. Look like the hardest part being when he literally said like, you know, Kelly and I have talked and we said would

$400 million change our lives like that's what he said the US open last year, right? And Today he says but as a husband and as a father and as a family man I have a duty to my family to give them the best opportunities and the most amount of resources possible. Like dude, that is literally the exact opposite of what you said, or like you valued your way of life more than $400 million a year and a half ago.

And now it's your duty to give them the most amount of resources possible. That is the highest level of selling out you could possibly do. I put it on the wife too. Yeah, put it on the family. Putting it on somebody else. Which is, oh, I don't want that.

You got it. You know, I got to fill this with more. Keep them in the corner though. Yeah, you know, you got it. You got to pay the bills. Built these just more expensive than the East. That's right. Right.

With inflation or this administration. All right, you got to think Brett Bear. Do you think the 6 p.m. window with Brett Bear was like power ranked these for me. 6 p.m. with Brett Bear, do you think the 6 p.m. window with Brett Bear was like power ranked these for me? 6 p.m. with Brett Bear, 7 p.m. with Laura Ingram, with the Ingram angle, with the angles there. Ingram with the angle, I think it's Ingram. That's long. If I read it, or Hannity at 9, I feel like they should have saved it for Hannity at 9. Yeah, really.

He had this during the time. I got a head to Bayer. Man, he was asking like all the questions I want to ask. Like, hey, dude, like you said this thing. And it was that was when I was anticipating the most. I was like trying to watch. Brahms quirm right out of like, dude, like you said these things directly, man. I mean, I put you up there with, I don't know if there's five other guys that have been more like clearly spoken on their intentions on this thing and the weirdest.

Obviously, if Rory flip, that would be the weirdest of all of them, but like, Ram is in the top five of dudes. It's like, I don't know how you back out of the things you've said. Do you want to get into that? Because I think there's a lot of reasons why it happened. And it's not just, I don't think that I handed him a $600 million check. Which, that's, yeah, that's, I think that's much more of a blown of like how much money he's getting and how like I'd love to see this contract how many clauses and opt-outs and so much of that you know money was quote unquote equity in something that may not exist in 18 months right?

Exactly and that's where kev I think if I was making an impassioned case I don't know why I would have the brain sickness to do this. But if I was making a case to your text friends, this is where I would say, like, I think this probably exacerbates the two sides coming together more than anything. I think stressed that out though. Like, what happened? Let's start at the beginning, right? So June 6th, I had everybody every time I wanted to. June 6th. It's so frustrating that it's a 6th, right? Like, couldn't this should have happened on the 8th or 12th or something? It's missing half a year. You had to do that yesterday, exactly. It's a 6th.

Exactly. Okay, so June 6th, Jay Monahan, Yasser, are on CNBC. They announced that the, you know, the war is over. We're coming together. We've got a framework agreement to merge these two great organizations, the PJ tour and live. We're all gonna work for the rest of the year to live in harmony, right? And you guys stop me if you wanna,

if you wanna linger on any of these topics. Players understandably get very, very pissed about this. They had no idea that this was coming. A lot of the board members, like a lot of the players, particularly on the board, I think it pissed and bring in Tiger Woods. I think you can tell his feelings on live in this whole situation.

It sounds from the sounds of it. It sounds like the big push from there is, we're getting now, we're getting outreach from all these private equity groups, saying, you know, we're getting now, we're getting outreach from all these private equity groups saying, you know, friends of golf, friends of golf, things of that nature. Hey, if you were going to accept a bid, why did you not accept a bid from all of us? So that whole framework agreement that originally started with the PJ tour and Piff has, by all accounts and by all reports, I think this is all like pretty public has now been

watered down by a number of different, you know, bids and people trying to get a slice of this new co-panditor enterprises and DOJ scrutiny. Right. And you said like, hey, none of this you can do. Like I don't know what you guys were pushed out completely. Like not just watered down. Like the other option is just not working with them at all. And, you know, so people can say, oh, you know, Yoss was operating in bad faith here. Well, I think that Jay's probably been operating in bad faith too, so. Well, I think one thing on the DOJ stuff,

I think a question that a lot of people had today is like, what happened to the, you know, the no-poaching of players thing that was in the framework agreement? I don't know if that was announced as something that was dropped because of DOJ scrutiny or not or if that was just, yeah. So I think that's why that was dropped. So let's just say that you are, which if we can,

if we can pause on that for just a second, that to me was like, all right, well, either they're going to work towards a deal or they're going to start poaching players immediately, right? Like what is the intent of both of these parties? And to me, a story was told from it being four to five months from that point on, and no players poached from from the PIF, like of the PGA tour, right? That's to say, like, again, if we're looking for the end game of what PIF and and live, whatever that is once out of it, it's they want to deal with PJ tour. They want all the things we talked about several months ago, right?

And the fact that they hadn't poached anyone tells that part of the story as well. When they had every right to they could have easily done it, especially after the betrayal of so many players on June 6, they probably, you know, had some fired up players that would have taken cash in a heartbeat and they did not, they did not happen, right? So I think that's a important part of the story in my mind. Totally agree. I think if it was a complete land grab, they would have tried to grab more land, right? They, they were kind of waiting in the wings, which I, I'm with you signals to me like, okay, they're, they're sincerely

trying to get this deal done. And I don't think that's like a stretch to understand why, right? Like there's a lot of people I saw and mentions today, they're like, why would they need to have this big negotiating ship if they just got John Rom, why would they still want to, why would they still want to merge? Like, well, because they don't have any fucking revenue or TV ratings, man, like, what is the, what is the future of that league? Like they still are trying to destabilize it

enough to get in the door and, and get a piece of it, right? And so, well, and in that, like in the meantime, there, the tour got eyes for other private equity, for other sources of funding, and Liv says, all right, we're losing our leverage here too, especially now that the litigation's dropped. And so they said, all right, you know what, we're not some also ran over here,

we're gonna get back to the bargaining table and create some urgency here. And that's exactly what they've done. And then some. I think that's the biggest untold story on all this TC is like they thought, live thought that maybe they're advantages were slipping away. And they were like, guess what? We still have a few cards to play. This, this was Phil's chess moves 28 through 36. Like guess what? We think that Ron might still be interested

in this stuff. And what a huge miscalculation by the tour or not even this tour, but like the guys who are trying to figure out how to merge these two things, whether it was Tiger and you know, Roy and Kelly and or all these guys, whether it was Jay and Ed, whether they thought they could sort of make this thing fit it together and figure out, uh, you know, equity and all this stuff and all of a sudden push out live. Man, what a big whiff on their part because, uh, now they kind of have to do a deal or they're totally screwed. Two things on this. One, I think the, I don't obviously have no idea what the actual ebbs and flows of the negotiation are, But from what I've gathered, the also including another investor alongside PIF is an approach

that could potentially minimize scrutiny from the DOJ, right? If PIF is a minority investor instead of coming in and investing at an outrageous market rate to, you know, all the concerns were brought up in the Senate hearing this summer from stolen value, Richard Blumenthal, about the solidification of sports, like in theory, if there's a market set by private equity investment and the Saudis come in and invest at a certain percent, like that's a more palatable, I guess, situation for the DOJ. That's a theory here. And that's, go ahead. No, totally agree. So I was going to say, let me just finish

underlining this point of like, why, wrong, why now? Right? If you're wrong, again, gestures wildly at all the quotes, we just referenced at everything he's ever said about live, I just got to think, like, I'm still, you know, put the clown makeup on if you want. Like, I'm still giving the benefit of the doubt that he's a serious player who wants to play serious golf.

Right. And I just am left with the fact that the only reason he would go is if he thinks that a deal is not only imminent between the two organizations, but also it might like happen even faster if you do go, right? Because this is, as you were saying, Kevin, it kind of like forces the hand of the PJ tour where it becomes like, all right, man, if you don't want to let us in on this deal, if we can't get something worked out, we're just going to keep taking guys. Here's what it looks like. Boom, another one.

You want to see another one? Boom, there's another one. Jay, you don't think we're serious? Cool, like here's our one. And so if you're wrong and you can see the chess board here, it really feels like that's the situation, right? It's like, okay, I, it's, I said on Twitter today, it's almost like the best get rich quick scheme in the history of the world, where you kind of like, what's the worst case scenario

for ROM here is like, maybe he plays a year on live while the two organizations are talking about how they're going to come together and How they're going to reintegrate players and all that stuff and meanwhile he gets a massive check which TC to your point I think if we're looking at all the old live contracts I mean, they're like normal sports, right? Like they're all they don't just show up and hand you like a big I think the old ones were like In thirds the old ones were like you know. The old ones were like, you know, at signing within. Hit the first shot and then the remainder. Yeah, and then the remainder at, you know,

three years later or whatever. But yeah, so let's say, I mean, there were a lot of reports out there about, you know, whether it's half cash and half equity or what, like again, I don't think it's all adds up to like $600 million in cash. I think it's probably much closer to, you know, let's say half cash and half equity. And even that cash is then spread out over a number of years.

So let's call it, let's say it's $50 million a year, something like that and you're John Ram. It's like, man, you get $50 million and you're back on the PJ tour in eight months. It's like one of the highest paid athletes in the world for 2024. So yeah, so part of that too is like, you know, Roy's already said like, hey, we have to change the rules for the Ryder Cup. He's gonna play.

So you're not gonna miss a Ryder Cup. Rob's already said, hey, maybe they'll let me play in PGA tour events, which I assume the reason that they wouldn't do that is because it would probably start to make. Can we pause for one second just to say like in theory, this whole thing is going to be settled in like what's the days of seventh and like 20 by within 24 days, right? Like the deadline is to get this done before the end of the year. I mean, yeah, they can also. They can, but like it's like,

I think this is live putting the foot down and being like, I think 100 for I'm saying like it's time to do this deal like it's time to whatever this is going to be it's time to do this deal and they have all the leverage and yeah I talked about that on Sunday like that was that's exactly what it is yeah so but it so we're talking about we can have a Jane like rom could be playing the PJ tour in January and February and then still started his live season right I mean theory, like if this gets worked out in between now and then and that's where the PGA tour has has nothing to fight back with at this point. I mean, and they and a bunch of risk of, hey, if we keep going down this, then we're no

longer the leading golf tour in the world or we don't have the requisite number of OWGR, you know, top players or whatever, where, you know, I feel like NBC and CBT like they could negate some of the media rights deals as well, you know. Which, yeah, that's the other fun quote unquote, part to tease out about this is let's say that the tour doesn't get a deal, or let's say that, you know, if there's players

that are trying to cut the piff out, or there's players that are trying to go with another bid or like who knows what's going on behind the scenes with all the player directors on the board. But if the tour for whatever reason doesn't get a deal down, now all of a sudden it's like if you are a play a top player and you see John Rom go to live for X amount of money and you see the tour in absolute chaos, you see the mules just looting storefronts for FedEx cup points, rioting in the streets. Like now the, I mean, live is almost like, you know, I mean, not almost.

They're definitely in a better position to both negotiate with the tour and a far better position if the deal falls apart. So it's like, truly you gotta hand it to them. Like, jujitsu, chess move, pulling down of the PJ tour of pants. With all of the artillery, right? I mean, like, it's the amount of these moves

with no money. Friendly fired themselves. Yeah, I told you, I mean, obviously. But like, I mean, like, we've been shouting, or I've been shouting from the rooftops for three years that Monahan, like, he's getting outfl or I've been shouting from the rooftops for three years at Monahan. Like he's getting outflanked and outmaneuvered at every turn. All he had to do was pick up the fucking phone three years ago and have an off the record

behind closed doors conversation, even. And he wouldn't even do that. I look harder to play in like the PGA Taurus played it. I'm not going to pretend like I knew all the things along the way and I wouldn't have made some of the same mistakes, but will history look at Jay as like one of the worst commissioners of all the PC's what it's side out. I saw the comment and I just saw him realize it. That's subtle dog logo on the wrong side. The subtle dog logo is on my right side. The subtle dog logo is on my right side.

I was like, well, this is crazy. T.C. looks like you just got knocked in the front, putting the kids down tonight. It looks like he was totally worn out. I think all the Spencer Levine today. We're very deleting stories. Things are happening. Sorry, I can't continue.

Where you saying, Kevin? I just think it will history look back if the PGA tour like kind of goes under or is dramatically so different. Well, history look at J is like one of the, you know, complete follies as a commissioner in any sport in history. Like Larry Scott. I don't look. I wouldn't have necessarily. I certainly have made my qualms about live and where the money comes from, but in the end, we're reaching a point where in retrospect, if Jay picks up a phone and says, yeah, we'll take your money.

Like things are dramatically different. 20% of the of the organization or whatever. I mean, true. Like, you know, Yasser seems to be like, I just want to be involved in this shit. Not like on this. It's just like a reminder of going back to that time period when like the Kishogi stuff was very recent, right? And it was extremely unpalatable.

It's still unpalatable. And as time goes on, people, I never heard the word sports washing today just because we've gotten so used to the shit and that's exactly how it works. They've washed it. It's clean. I think it, I do not think this has gone well. I do not think they've gone well. I do not think they've made the right decisions clearly like very clearly. I do think it's just a teeny bit of

revisionist history to just like to point to go back in time and be like they should just take the money up front. Like again, I don't think that that would have been coming from a good faith. No, but even but like having a conversation with EGL even, or like, before Saadi's even involved, right? I think so, Saali, when, when the KVV and Saali of the future go back and like, do a recap of like, do a breakdown of this era, are they going to look at it like, Oh, well, you know, it's kind of understandable or it's going to be like, dude, it's actually taking the money. Like, they're, I hope that we, you know, we get a little bit more nuance and credit, but I also know like when we're

doing some of these looks back to like the 1992 Ryder Cup, like the mistakes seem obvious. Yeah. Yes. There is not a lot of like, well, you know, Phil, just wouldn't play in that well. I'm super confident to listen back to a lot of our, a lot of what we've said, like when Jay, I would encourage any of the other've said, like when, when Jay, I wouldn't encourage any of them families. Or, you know, different stuff. It's like, yo, like this was, like, saying a day of,

this was stupid or that was stupid. Like it's just, at every turn, it seems like there's a decision tree and he takes the wrong thing. But DJ, back to your point of like, I think that this could be a seminal day in that like it's the day that everything started moving back together, because it can't get any worse for the tour.

Their backs are up against the wall. Who knows what happens with the DP World Tour? Maybe they get back in the mix here. Maybe it's a global tour. Like that's my goal of all this is like, man, you know what would be freaking cool? Is like if they really do want to grow the game and be serious about that, then like, man, you know what would be freaking cool is like, if they really do want to grow the game and be serious about that, then like, let's then let's just eradicate the mules,

like, you know, lop off humanely. Yeah, 25 to 30, you know, PGA tour events, put those bulldozing to the corn fairy tour or whatever. And then basically have a worldwide series of 20, 25 events with the top 75 hundred players in the world. And that's where I started getting excited today, right? It was like just just look around, dude. I mean, just looking at the already depleted PGA tour, the mule, they can't even figure out what's remained. Like the message still hasn't gotten through to the mules who still hold way too much power. Again, you just would never set up the PGA Tour to look like that. You would definitely never set it up to lose a bunch of your top talent to money that you

cannot compete with just on any front. John Rums overall contract is more than an entire year's purse on the PGA Tour. Like they're not going to win that race. Television products unwatchable. You are, you've upped the purse as so much that don't make any sense that you can't pay your bills. You're going to your sponsors that are seeing this this this product go to shit and be like you guys kind of make up the windfall and that because they can say no We absolutely do not do not need to do that and you have live who still nobody is watching right despite spending billions and billions of dollars

Truly the worst CPM rate like Dollar spent per viewer investments of Sports history, I think it's fair to say. They're not winning, right? That everyone is losing so badly that the only solution is to get together and figure out a new way to structure professional golf. It's not going to look at the PGA tour. PGA tour is not going to win. I don't know if PITS is going to win.

I don't know if the game of golf is going to win. I don't know what's going to happen. It cannot be worse than this. And it is torn down to the studs so, so in such a raw fashion that the only way it can go is up from here Do I think they'll nail everything? No, but like I think we end up with some sort of star driven global tour live and PGA tour players back together again And I think the PGA tour and the DP World Tour are feeding those tours like that's how I burn it down, baby Just it's like this point, it's not worth saving. Burn it. I think the the mules have no idea what's coming.

Like I think they're in like if you're a fringe player, you are in real trouble. Being in the witch talk. I'm living you are you are going to be grinding it out on what is the equivalent of or coming over the old Nike tour, the ho got it. You are sharing hotel rooms and cars like you your life is about to get brutal because the value that you provide is not going to be worth shit It's just not I and I wish that like My beautiful Mule Skinner Strouds

Neil said he wanted truly my Mule Skinner to emerge Chris Stroud talking about how we need a union whenever this week, I don't think I've ever heard a professional athlete is clueless as that in that statement because to have a union, you have to convince the actual players who are worth a shit ton of value to join you in their fight and to see that you have to be picked up in the sort of larger, you know, wave of like value, right? I think management has to feel a threat. Yes, they have to feel like, okay, you're an essential part of this.

We should band together. We're more powerful together than we are separate. That could not be less true. They're already cutting you out of the tournaments. Like, they don't need your labor. And so like, I'm sorry. Like, you guys should have pushed so hard for whatever formats were keeping you involved in this.

But you're in trouble. Like, I, and I hate that for some of the people who we like and are friendly with or whatever, but man, like, not of this shit is going to work out well for the fringe players. It's just not. I can't believe my hoodies on backwards. You know, like the one thing I'll say to that, though, kev is like the one thing the PGA tour has done an amazing job of over many, many, many years is like stand up golf tournaments, getting people to come, getting people to buy a hospitality and just watch golfers.

I mean, a lot of these fields are crap totally. And I get that they're subsidized by top players. Like I, the model for running golf tournaments exists all over the world. There's a sunshine tour. There's an Asian tour. There's a DP World Tour. There's no PGA tour. There's no E.T.

Like, there's going to be golf tournaments to play in. And it's going to be a, it's not going to, Nate's a DP World tour, there's an LPGA tour, there's an L.E. There's going to be golf tournaments to play in and it's going to be if it's not going to, Nate, last year you're not going to make $3 million a year, like you're not going to, but like, you can still do fine. It's not total, total doomsday. You definitely don't realize how good you've got it because it's going to definitely get worse in that scenario of how I picture this kind of coming back together, but I don't know how they do it because I would not be taking our Our company's money and signing up to you know spots or some of these terributs, but these tours find a way to get people to pay and and get people

Pay to play golf. We shit on the tour a lot. The tours really good. It's selling dog shit Again people and getting people to buy it. I think they're up against the limit though. They've they've taken as far as they can for years The moment the institution momentum has just like oh, it's on TV. Oh, it's coming to my town Oh, I want to see pro golf like of course, I'll just go along with it and I think that's gonna go away I think if I'm a big Like big brand golf sponsor who's trying to do a lot of business that golf tournaments. I'm sprinting to the USGA, the RNA, the PJ of America, and trying to get a deal done with one of the major championships before those prices go 10X over the next 10 years. I don't have so many commercials on those events now. You know what I mean? Like those are like,

we've been saying this and this is where TC I will ride hard with you is long time listeners of this podcast. I think we'll hear a familiar refrain of, you know, this shit's not working, man. You're just making the majors better. You're just making the majors better. These things are just separating separating separating separating and again, maybe this wrong thing does empower some of what you guys are talking about and we we find a world tour we find like some more watchable more like just interesting product just going to be the majors and everything else. And those two have never been farther apart, getting farther. Agreed. And speaking of majors, I mean, shit, I'm sure the Augusta guys aren't super thrilled that they're reigning champion, just leveraged his green jacket for low key.

Nine years. A lot of masters champions. Yeah. I can't. If your master's winner glib was a great deal, right? You're, is Ram, does Ram go if he doesn't win the masters? Like, I don't know. I mean, that was the one kind of guarantee of like, ah, if I'm good, man,

I can always be in this tournament no matter what this shakes out. It's a good thing Jordan won five of them, so we didn't lose more people. Yeah. I mean, Phil may test this theory about whether you always be invited back. Can I give you guys on how Cabrera is by all accounts? It's probably going to get invited back. I mean, you know, prison earned is that something you did his time, T.C. Pay his uncle juice.

Pay his debt. That's right. I'm going to over under and I don't know. I don't know when the I can't find it. The date of the last live event of 2024, whatever that is. Over under, is there a live shot hit past, all right, it's September 22nds, what they have in their Dallas, not official.

Is there a live shot hit past the day of September 22nd? I'd say yes, because I bet they try to fold it into some smaller series or like, hey, it lives this, you know, it still exists and these guys are gonna be doing this or, you know, similar to like TGL, right? Of like, you know, which I think is, you know, like dumb. The name I haven't heard it a while. Yes, I think yes.

I think they'll try to spin it back up in some way or keep it spinning. I don't know. I'm not sure. I think, or you can say, or ask a different way. Does this like restructuring of professional golf end up in like folding within live? Can I just say, listen, maybe there's all this genius game theory

going on behind the scenes that I don't understand. But like if live is around for another 10 years, are you trading like the best player for arguably the worst player as we saw today with Matt Wolf being traded for Taylor Gooch? I don't get, again, it's like, please, I would like to talk about that. There's some like, if there's some glowing brain theory

going on or if Bubba's gonna life coach him back to, you know, be in coming one of the best players in the world and he thinks he's getting this immense value, I would love to hear about that, but what it really sounds like is just like, ah, listen man, this is the last year, let's just make this as palatable for everybody as possible. I don't know, I mean, it would have lived is the tour though in like 10 years, like, what if we all fold into that

and live becomes like the main thing? I think we're underestimating how much to speak and tiger and can't let. That's like, who knows can't live, but like, speak and tiger and some of these other guys like heat, heat live. Yeah. I think that there'll be some purchase not going away.

I see everyone in the comments live is not going away. Like Piff is the one that's not going away, right? And there's going to be a deal almost certainly with the PGA tour and a private equity investor group and and PIF like an D.B. World tour. Like that's that's almost certainly where we're headed or and so what does that look like? I do not think the PGA tour is going to fold as much as I think the PIF has the upper hand in the negotiations. I don't think the PGA tour is folding up into lift. I don't think that's the final solution here. I don't think they're that far pushed up against the wall. I might be underestimating that though. I want to shout out that Matt

Wolf gets on base comment. You just you got to have a team. Oh, I don't know. Just doing a drive by on D. R. Everybody multiple drive by is just does not give a fuck. It's great. I mean, honestly, he and Rob sort of like this is a done at each other. Yeah. He and he and Rob sniping at each other can be fun. If that was like a real thing, right? If their teams actually had some sort of rivalry, I don't know. I mean, I don't know what's going to what would possibly get me to watch live.

But if like Brooks and Rob, like we're genuinely talking shit about each other, I might tune in, might fire up the CW and see it. Can I just, from a big picture here, let's put the sports washing stuff aside, you know, there's, there's, let's put it in the dryer, let's put plenty of, plenty of people who will stand by that for good reason. But like, can

I just give you a little bit of optimism that like, let's say like the next year is going to suck. I think we know that that's it's going to be awful. I'm even a good major next calendar. I wrote I would check out again, I would go to the national parks. Take some golf sticks here. Rent an RV. You an RV. Do the Monte just RV your way around the U.S. No, because he goes to pro golf tournaments. He did that in the BMW. Yeah, I think I think just get out really. No, for your invest in yourself.

Invest in yourself in 2024. Can I just get a little bit of optimism that 2025, if you're telling me, let's say 70 put, like just going back to what you guys have said, let's say 70 put like just going back to what you guys said, let's say 70 player world tour. Let's say we're getting Brooks and Bryson and Spieth and Rom and Cam Smith and Sheffler and all these guys like back together on the same tour playing all over the world. It's pretty cats a lot more captivating than it would have been five years ago. 100%. I think it has, if the adults get in a room and figure this out and find it, like,

and to be clear, there's going to be a shit load of more bitching between now and that day. Like it's, it's going to be Shawshank redemption crawling through a mile long thing of shit, come out the other side clean before before we should have with with. We're pretty gonna have to wash the sports all over again. That's like that's that's what's gonna be. But like again, it can't definitely can't this can't continue. Do we all agree on that? Even like the people in the comments like you can't like pretend that this is going to continue. No one again, no one is winning here. And it can't go back to the way it was. So like, how does this actually get resolved? And there's going to continue. No one, again, no one is winning here. And it can't go back to the way it was.

So like, how does this actually get resolved? And there's going to be some ego swallowing among some of the PGA tour guys. Like, yeah, they've lived guys made out way better financially than we did. And that's how it's going to go. And but like, hey, this sport will eat itself. Like it will be toast.

It will not survive if they don't have a solution to this because it just pro golf sense. The one thing though, it's all that I would say to that is like boxing splintered and never came back together. Tennis is sort of splintered in a weird way and that hasn't really like it can the egos are so big and the money so sort of coming from so many different sources that it could just basically be like, now we're just rather there's too much selfishness we'd rather have a shity or product. And boxing has lived that life for 30, 40 years where there's three different belts and nobody actually knows who's the heavyweight champion or middleweight champion in the point. Like big fights are sort of like common go. No, but there's no schedule to them.

You know, the majors are kind of the one thing we have is the majors though, right? Yeah. Like that's, that's the glue that's holding it all together. Yeah, which is where it, yeah, it feels much more like tenants, right? Then box boxing. Yeah. I did see some of our live-bought friends saying

that the majors would be extinct soon if they didn't somehow take gift money or something. I, there's some, I don't know, conspiracy theory that can't even get around. All of that, if you don't let Taylor Gucci and apparently yeah, the majors would just dry up and be you know, unimportant and non exist. Well, it's kind of one of those things to do. Even the even the big events. You know the PGA the rider cup US open specifically almost become unwatchable in and of themselves. We've almost become unwatchable in and of themselves

even without Piff money or without any you know any of this stuff. So it's like hey, they're driving people away even Even when everybody's playing together then hey, let's let's figure that out, you know You know what I just I was thinking about it a lot today and You know what I don't think is gonna be the thing that just drives people away from golf is losing five yards in 2030. You know, like I just I think there's a lot of people do it a much better job of that than that real change would. Oh guys, I'm going to tap out of here. I, I, I, I, some of the teas. I think the big guy might be stepping in to bring some of his, you know, classic, uh, randisms. So I'm hopeful that maybe gives a shit to talk about. And I think that's been true for a lot of this year,

but I'm kind of exhausted by just the swings of this and I just feel the way that it's turned off so many people who don't follow this like on a minute to minute basis like to do. And I just, I'm concerned that is going to be a stain on like not just like the stain on the game from the honor system of it. But like when baseball went on strike in what was it 94, it took so long for people to like get over that and come back to the game. I just worry that that's the future for golf in some ways that somebody's going to be

like, man, I have screwed this. I'm not gonna watch this shit anymore for a while. I'm just so annoyed by the greed of it. And will it take like a tiger-type figure to bring them back? And that, you know, maybe that's, I hope, that's Ludwig, T.C. But I just feel, I feel like it's teetering on the knife edge of, hey man, like fuck you guys.

Like fuck, why should I care about this? I got so much better things to do and football is so much, you know, more compelling on a week a week to week basis. That's just my concern and dude I wish the people in charge whoever that may be of any organization like felt that urgency. I just don't think they do. I think their heads are still in the sand but I don't know. Many people are saying Rama's running from Ludwig. I heard that a lot today. T.C. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't hear that. Yeah. I had a lot of sources telling me that. So interesting. All right, Kevin gave us seven great endings. We're gonna see if we can get a six-out save from the big guy.

A big baseball mood if we can't. Here's a... I feel like it was... It's kind of a... Kevin and Randy, you were doing a... You were installing a washing machine. I feel it's kind of a propo for all the sports washing that we're talking about here. You could, you could wander, you can wander whatever you want in a washing machine. That's true TC. Listen, washing machine, washing machine, shockingly easy to install.

You just hook up the cold water, you hook up the hot water. I mean, that's pretty, pretty much it. It was, gotta plug it in. Yeah, we rocked them. Dryer best, so much though. Getting the aluminum thing around the dry,

that can be kind of challenging. Loomin' them. I have to say guys, I have no idea what we've been talking about. I said in our private chat, I'm sure you don't need me. I don't know what you want I am here

Granny we just give us the biggest dose of like cynicism 99 come to the pit this is your time you can use it however you like Todd coffee Yeah, I've got a big platform whatever you whatever you want to say What would you say to the governing bodies right now, Randy? No, it's too much pressure. Where's Jimmy done? Have you guys talked about Jimmy done? Where's Jimmy done?

We have one. Where are these people that negotiated the June 6th proposed framework agreement? Why are we not hearing from them? Was this part of the plan? I just don't get it. I don't get anything. I don't know. I'm sure there are bunch

people in Spain that are going to like be super pumped to watch. John Rom play every week. I will, this is going to shock you guys. I will not be tuning in to live. I don't think, I don't think like filled in get me there. Rom certainly isn't going to get me there. I'm certainly isn't going to get me there. Um, is this just a means to an end? I just, I don't know what to think guys. I need, I need a little help. I need a little help here. I feel like, uh, I feel like you've had a kind of not so quiet vendetta against rom for a long time. It's got to be a part of you that just was just.

Just rom. Stink. Right. Any other fans? Is that what I listen? I never, Rom just never quite did it for me. I think, you know, he's just a big burly guy. He's not the most graceful golf swing. Like I never have like particularly enjoyed watching him

play golf. Winning the Masters really was a dent my rom stinks argument. The USO would not. But yeah, I don't know. I just feels like, all right, dude, church, go, go play some like meaningless golf on the CW. I just, I don't know. Does anybody know what's going on? Who's in charge? Who really has like an end goal in mind?

I just, I don't think I have my play. Take a takeaway. It's like, who's the adult? Who knows what is going on anywhere? Because I don't see it. I think it might be Yasser. But he sounds pretty busy. Like, I see. No, I know. He's like, hey, like, listen, you guys are old enough to, you know, you're supposed to be in high school, you guys can take care of yourselves. Like you don't need me around all the time.

You got your driver's license. I feel like we don't say this enough that, this is not Yosser's full-time job. Like you may not even mention his woes. What the eight billion dollar, like this is Yosser's Fancy Football Team. Can we just get my guy in a gust of membership? Like is that all he really wants? $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 and the chairman of Newcastle United. So, whatever the chairman of Liv Golf doesn't make his top five jobs that he has. Well, and then all the umbrella companies that they have investments in.

So, forgive me. Again, this is where I'm like, I apologize. I have not watched the first 58 minutes. TC, I'm sure we've gone in on Jay Monahan. We... I don't even think we need to anymore. We simply do not know what he's doing. It's like kicking a dead dog. We don't know what he has. I think TC, maybe Yasser says he are the manager.

Is that the situation we find ourselves in? A little bit. Yeah, or he's trying to say, you know what? Like, I think I'm the manager or I'm the managing director. We don't know who the manager is. I need to hire a manager. This is just let me ask you this. Yeah. You know, you're you're an influential golf influencer. Of course, of course. Yeah. You go back home for for Christmas. Thanks, giving. Somebody asks you like, Randy, please, your uncle asked you, hey,

Randy, what should I, what do I don't know what I should do? Should I be watching golf? How should I feel about all of this? What are you, what are you, what are you telling that person? Earnestly. I, you know, it's like, I think the first question is like, do you, do you like golf? Do you like watching golf? Is that something you do now? And I think we just go from there. I, here's the thing that I don't get. And it was gonna lead in my point. So DJ, good, good question.

What, I will acknowledge there are a lot of smart people I think involved in all of this. From like every angle, people we probably don't even know about. I think there are certainly smart people. And maybe KVV touched upon this. I just can't shake this feeling of, I think perhaps there's a blind spot or a, just a sense of like taking a golf audience for granted

where this just turned like, guys, it's been no big secret, but like I haven't given a shit about men's pro golf in a while. And I just feel like, I just feel like, I hope the people in charge recognize the very real fact that this is gonna turn a lot of people off and live my win.

I don't really know what win means means like is live gonna exist in two years Is it is is is rom like is this all a means to just a big coming together and I did catch KVB talking about the baseball strike But that's kind of where my mind is as like guys This is like really really off-putting like you know Nobody likes a public labor dispute and when it's this just greedy and overcompensate, like the market values don't make sense, I just think there's a real risk of like people are like, well, I'm watching golf again outside of the four majors. I'm watching golf again outside of the four majors. And I think that's, you know,

looking two, three years down the road, I just don't know what's going to change or what's gonna be the catalyst. Maybe it's this big global tour, but it's like, why am I tuning into watch the Italian open on some random July after, like what's different about that than that would be the more we have on the PGA tour now. I just don't see how you're going to draw a bunch of new eyeballs to this sport.

It's a niche sport. It's not for everybody. And I think that's part of the charm. And so I'm just very confused. I have no answers. I just have a lot of questions. That's where I keep coming back to as well, is like nobody wants to hear this and maybe this is small thinking, but maybe golf was only supposed to be like this big. Maybe it's not supposed to be this big. Maybe it's not supposed to be the NFL.

Right. Maybe it's a tagger messed a lot up. Right, it was too much too fast. Everyone's doing a land grab. And now like the tide's starting to go out and everyone's just claw like these smart people that you're referring to Randy are like smart at extracting what they can out of the professional game. Like, sure, namely agents, right? I mean, they've just made millions and millions of dollars out of the piff, just from getting their guys to convert. And like, again, just leaves all the fans on the outside just sitting here like, what did you guys do? Like, sure, you all got paid and like everybody pulled up the ladder behind them on the way.

Like the ladders that were they were laid by the many people that played the game before you and built the structure of this. Everybody pulled up the ladder and now I don't know what the how to finish that analogy, but no, it's not good. Let me ask you guys this question. This is not rhetorical. I would like an answer for this. Kevin and I were talking about this earlier. I think he's working on writing something that will probably be up tomorrow or in the coming days to this effect.

He kind of teased it at the beginning of the podcast. But there's all these like little micro decisions that have gone on over the last four years, right? Or maybe even bigger than micro decisions, T gone on over the last four years, right? Or maybe even bigger than micro decisions, T.C. maybe macro decisions. And let's say each one of those has like a winner and a loser, right? What was the last time the fans were not a loser in one of these discussions? Like truly. What was the last good thing that happened for just fans of watching golf on TV? But that's where let me let me jump in here because DJ I totally agree with you, but it's like I

I get self-conscious because like I y'all have made me watch some live golf stuff. Like if that's the future of the television product, like I'm good, I don't need any of that, but maybe not a ton of people like that. Well, maybe a lot of people like that maybe I'm out of touch with what's hip and popular and cool and that certainly could be your ratings were so big that they didn't want to share them because they didn't want other you know tours that yeah there's other tours we're growing the game game. We're having slug line guys. I'll let it show. We're gonna get a guy that was, uh, we'll have to look it up. Here's golf. Big problem. Golf's big problem is at the end of the day. It's fucking golf,

right? Yes. And like that's inherently it's not cool. You know, when I was working, people would watch the order. But what if you make it a lot louder? They might know my buddy Dave Trudell, who I worked for up at Boyn, and I'll never forget what he told me. He's like, you know, like, there are golf, there are so many douchebags in golf, and I'm like, I've never gotten that out of my mind. He's exactly right.

People who play, people who watch, people who do everything. It's like golf is just inherently, it's not cool. And so yes, there is a cap on like, how popular this game can just inherently it's not cool. And so yes, there is a cap. I'm like how popular this game can be because it's not cool. And it's played by like inherently not cool people. You've never seen this by not cool people. Those live hype videos. You've never seen those. Watch by not cool people. Like I'm not cool. So I'm like, who is this market you're catering to? It's so stupid. It was about to be cool. And then the dome fell down. Tony, Tony's certainly. Tony's are fully.

Yeah, totally. Tony's are fully. If he's involved, get him and Ram out there. What I want to be, be good stuff. I don't know, man. I think, I think, Randy, we said it before you came on, but I think if there's a case for optimism, I think it's at the next year sucks outside of the majors and maybe things come back together. And I think to your entire point, it's just going to be fascinating to see like who's little left at that point. Yeah, I think that's where I'm still there. Okay. Like, yeah, I think like the big care in everybody's mind is like, well,

we're going to bring everybody back together and it's like, well, cool. Like we've had that, man. And that wasn't that popular. Like what's the plan? And I just don't know anybody who has like a real plan. And my thing is you don't, I guess where I would check out is like, I wouldn't have a plan either. I would like, let's, let's, let's make this sustainable. Let's,. I would like, let's make the sustainable,

let's make golf as self-sustainable as possible because growing the purses, that's where I'm, I don't know. Well, it's stuff that goes back to the JT thing from talking about all year, last year, confusing the purse size for the product, right? And like, we're supposed to care about that. I think, you know, you went and talked about the product. It's how I rom left a because the app, of course, yeah, terrible. I would have paid, I would have paid $100,000 today to have Rob come on Fox News and say,

simply it came down to one thing. It was the app. I just I couldn't I couldn't follow this. I long listen. The app's getting better. I'll give him that and then be pace of play. Rom hates slow play. And they won't enforce it. And I know that pissed him off. I see. I think that's a great point. I think there's a ton you could do at the margins to like make pro golf more fun, more players, more sustainable. Sully, we've talked about it at Nazim, like MLB, the most what I would think this like staunchly conservative organization has radically changed the game of baseball with a pitch

clock. And for the tour, not to even like, they're just like, we can't do it guys. We can't do it. Like we, how are we supposed to, how are we supposed to improve this TV product? It just is so naive to me. You know how bleak it is when major league baseball is just running circles around you exactly. Like, what are we doing? The progressive luminaries at major league baseball. I tell you what we need. We need the A-Corn group. Big Randall Stevenson and the gang to pop their heads in, start poking around, looking for some efficiencies.

I'll tell you what is going to be a huge bummer if we are still allegedly on the ROM to live topic was. Again, this was like a kind of a stutter to me. I feel like, all right, yes, Capca won the PGA. He almost won the Masters Phil almost won the Masters this year. Still, we don't we should probably do a whole podcast looking back on that. But like it kind of shocked me when I did go back and look at the whole, all of the whole realm of professional golf,

everybody's stroke skein for their entire year and lived in have a single guy in the top 30 over the last 12 months across all events was like, whoa, man We talked about a year and a half ago. Like are these guys going to stay sharp enough, you know competing in this format? And I would say that's a resounding like no for the top players that went and that I don't see Ram falling back with the exception of Brooks who won the PGA like he won the he won the major like his live golf record was not very good this year. Like his again, his a bit of his PGA tour record was not that good either. He like, he's an outlier. He's an outlier. And he's the number one rated live player over the last 12 months.

Obviously, Ram will now be he's the number three ranked player over that time period. But like, that's just something again worth watching. I didn't see Cam Smith falling off. And Cam Smith was top five in the world coming off an open championship. And he has fallen completely off over the last year and I really, really, really, really hope we don't see that out of ROM. I don't think we will, but like all of them have gone backwards and that's, you know, that would be quite a bummer if that ends up being the case.

Let me ask you guys this. Do you think there's a scenario in which say it's 10, 15, 30 years down the line, that we look at ROM as a transformational figure or like a catalyst for, you know what? ROM was brave enough to take this massive bag of money and bring everybody back to the table. Like, you think there's a world in which we come to that conclusion? What would the like the metaphor there be of like the rories, the cantlays, the speeds, the tigers that have like done all the work on it? And Rom just swoops in and jumpsides and takes the money. Weakens their position on absolutely everything and gets viewed as the hero on that one.

I don't know. I don't have anything comes to mind off top of my head. Well, it's just, you know, I mean, forces them to make a decision, forces them to align and figure out where they're interested in, where they can bring them together. I don't know. I feel like there's a certain, like, you know, Rob must have felt some sort of like, he's had a chip on his shoulder, right? have felt some sort of like he's, he's had a chip on his shoulder, right? He felt like there, there either wasn't a big enough spot for him at the table or he feels diminished or, you know, I don't know what his relationship is with Tiger.

But like it was weird tonight, like Tiger, Tiger tweets that, that memo or that letter that was sent out on December 1st, like six days ago. That was a sincere, a real big cool man. On, yeah, that was not that one. Yeah, you know, and it's like, hey, it's at some point, like, you know, we're going to need to hear from. Oh, okay. I know you nodded front. Yeah. Because it seems like the, like, the board and, like, I mean, the players, like, it, it sounds like the top players can't even figure out what to agree on anymore. Much less guys at different, you know, stratas of, you know,

a realization tiger. Tiger. No, I was just going to say tiger reeks of like, hey, did you guys see Michael Jordan when he owned the Washington Wizards? Like, do we want him in like an administrative decision-making role? I don't know about that. I thought the same. That's what I can say about that too. That's, no.

Like, why do, like Tigers a phenomenal golfer, but is he, like, I don't know if I want to trust him to read this needle. It's kind of like, I come back to all these guys. Like, what are the odds that you're just like best in the world at? At Jesus' this. this wildly different things?

But in that and that's what takes me you guys like Cody I know you're lit throw me off whenever you need but like where Where's Jimmy done? Where's Ed Hurley? Where are these like masters of the universe negotiators who gave us the June 6th agreement that Rory I saw cited as like a big changing point and and what led to ROM making this decision today like those guys have no accountability to the public and it's just very very They neutered him. I mean, they basically took their negotiating power away, right? Through whatever the new agreement is on the board of like, you can't, you must inform. We have to be involved in the process, right? They're just, you guys are not negotiating on behalf of this. But at that point, how do you keep the commissioner in place?

Like, that's been my whole thing for the last few months of like, how can he do that? The players all all are vehemently aligned, like totally aligned, vehemently against J and Ed and Jimmy just going off the reservation and doing this unbeknownst to the most of the board. And then you just keep the like there's no accountability whatsoever. You just keep the guy in place and like Mon and cool. You know what? Like you know what? He hasn't done a great job. We don't agree with a lot of the decisions he's made But we're gonna let him dictate the future of this organization and the future of professional golf like what fucking planet Are we living on like that's that's insane

And the other one if I may guys you're exactly right T.C. And that brings one, if I may. Guys, you're exactly right, TC. And that brings me back to Rory is like, well, what's he doing? I keep waiting for Rory to make a public album, like, Rory, what do you want? Right? Like, how in the wake of June 6th was he not leading, beating the drum, new leadership.

Like I, and I guess that's probably the problem. We have like, I have no idea how the player run PGA tour actually operates because I have no idea how they keep leadership in place after that. But like, Rory, like, what are we doing, bud? You know, like, he's not covering himself in glory and all this. I just don't, nobody looks good. Nobody. Can I, my hypothesis for that, Randy,

and this is totally my guess is, I feel like a lot of the discord or the disagreements or the kind of just like general indigestion from all of these guys is like trying to save a system that is impossible in this new like world, right? Where I feel like a lot of what's driving these guys crazy is trying to make sure that, you know, the players 51 to 200 are still, you know, are still earning a like very, very exceptional wage for being one of the top 200 golfers

out of 100 million on the planet, right? And I almost feel like if, when you just said, like, Roy, what do you want? He would never do this, I don't think, but like if he was to come out and just say, like, listen, it's a new world, there's gonna be 40 golfers and we're just gonna to blow everything up and cater it towards them.

I mean, he would get obliterated by fellow players, right? Like that's not going to happen, but that's probably what is going to end up happening just through like sheer market forces anyways, right? Yeah. Anything. The mistakes he's made is like trying to cater to the meals too much without them even realizing somebody like a different person brought to the board very differently and cut them out a lot more than they got cut out. I'm just tired too of like the people who say

oh who's gonna replace Jay or who's gonna replace it's like a 15 to 20 million dollar a year job like you know I think you can find somebody even somebody in the organization or higher and basis and figure out get a few, you know, get a few players who, you know, you feel like are relatively reputable and have their ear and you know, it's just, I don't know, it's crazy. It's like they're paying Allen and come here. They're paying all this money, all these different people. And they're not getting anything for it.

It's crazy. There's an SI article. Is it written by AI or no? I'll ramble here evening, gentlemen. I do think the fact that Roy is stepping down from the board knowing that he was overly protective. Of course, eventually replaced by a young Jordan's spieth and then with the additional seat of Tiger in there, it seems

like there is like there is one person there that was kind of looking for rank and file looking out for them big time being Rory with Cantley who already had that seed looking out for the stars and trying to get their bag now it seems to be kind of replaced to Tiger and Cantley and spieth in kind of forming an alliance to get the bag for the stars now rank and file are truly fucked Hearing you say that Cody and sorry this gets back to what you said earlier about like the the tides going out So I this gets back to what you said earlier about like the the tides going out. In what world is Patrick Cantley a star like a star of what? Like what? What is he think?

What is what is he worth? What is he move the needle on any any? I heard he was gallivanting around Manhattan. Patrick Cantley is such a non factor in like in life, right? Like I get it. He's a good, he's a very good PGA golfer, but he's not even close to relevant like in my mind. And I'm, and I'm, I've paid attention to golf relatively speaking like, like a lot the last five years.

These guys nothing. I don't get it. I, I simply do these guys somehow sense that this is the the time they have to cash in and then it's all going to go away. I don't know the again. I have no answers. I think part of the thing every question brings up a new question. Can't lay weirdly seems better qualified than a lot of these other guys to. He's enough of a sociopath that it might just work. It seems pretty, pretty intelligent, I think, but it's just like, does that matter if everybody disagrees with him?

You know, yeah, I, I, I think that we need to not worry if people disagree with him anymore. If we're talking about like the membership as a whole, right? Cause that's like what has led to this mess. Right. I think so. It's just, it's weird, man, like this is not going to be a sexy take. But a lot of it is what we have been saying for four years, which is just like,

it's a broken model that doesn't work anymore. And so if you're Jay, and I know post June 6, we're talking about a totally different situation. And I'm heading that one off at the past, but pre June 6, you're kind of operating within this different world where you have to look out for the interests of all these different members. And like you're just in an old-ass model that is ripe for being taken over. Right? And now it's time to totally rebuild what that model is, but they can't really do that on the fly while they're kind of being taken over while they're trying to start a new company, while they've

got other influencers coming in and they've got other, you know, they've got other players jumping from league to league. It's just like it's just a fucking giant mess and They're kind of trying to build the plane as they're flying it. It's just I don't know. I'm not envious of of any of the the work that has to be done on the PJ tour side, but that's where I go back to like today being good for all that of like all right Well, good luck fucking talking about 75th on the FedEx couple list after Yeah, not like none of that matters. That's not exactly. Yeah.

Oh, so the one good thing about the fucking tour DJ that what you're just talking about the the tour is the one now that turned around and went to tournament directors and were like, yo, all this charity money that like everybody feels good up around here about, you guys actually need to give us more than that. Like, don't forget about the women and the players. I think it's more complicated than that. Like, yes, yes, you know, maybe the charity money is,

but I think some of it is trying to squeeze some of these host organizations that have been run in tournaments. There's some weak ones that are highly inefficient and they're trying to Step their game up a little bit too and say hey, you know what like the tour at all levels has to get more efficient here so Like you guys are a part of the machine that like that's on you guys as well Just reading through this this sports illicit thing Michael Rosenberg wrote it, you know, the AI comment. That was probably a cheap shot. He's a good journalist. He is. It says last summer after the PGA

tour in Saudi Arabia's public investment fund announced their framework agreement, if indicated a willingness to fund a $1 billion equalization pool for PGA tour players. That sounds like reparations. To me, who turned down live offers. Chesson Hadley. Before the the framework agreement, people familiar with the discussions tell support associated. That number wasn't final. Nothing was final obviously, but that's where this was headed.

A $1 billion equalization pool on top of a $2 billion PIF investment in the PGA tour. I believe that whoever runs the. It feels like a pretty good deal when I when I mention this. When I mention this. When I mention this both on the pod on Twitter, I believe the living it the It feels like a pretty good deal when I when I mention this I was a silly crack and why would that when I mention this both on the pod and on Twitter I believe the living it up pod Twitter account told me to fuck off with that that there's no way there be an equalization Oh, maybe maybe we knew something about that while it was happening. Huh crazy how that worked

I'm at Chris Stroud with hate reparations Can you imagine the bichiness around an equalization fund? Like all the sick. That would be, you people are mad about the pins. Like 100. You know, hard, it would be to split up a billion dollars. I would just be like, oh, Tiger, you get like 300,400,400,000. Tiger, you take whatever you feel comfortable with and we'll figure out the rest as much as you career. Yeah. If I just you could fit in this bag, you could take.

And that's what, so if I can change the subject a little bit, uh, you know, I'm just, I'm just thinking about like the young people in my life. I have a couple of nephews, T.C., you have sons, Tully, you have a kid, although she doesn't watch golf yet. Like what? What? Actually, I was at Tully's house last week. She was laughing at the hero.

Yeah. What butchers possibly, what possibly could get like kids? YouTube golf. Like, we're there talking about pro golf at school. Like, that's what I come back to. Like, golf is inherently not cool. So there's just like such a clear ceiling on all of this in my opinion.

Dude, that's what people will do. People like your nephew's age, like look up to like the good, good guys. Like they like they look up to the YouTube golfers. When we were growing up, that was not an option. We couldn't just go log on online and just like watch people play cool golf courses people that we like, the option was to watch pro golf. And that's not what the kids these days, that's not what their options are.

I hear watching Jeff Sloven. Yeah. Watch a lot of us. Sweat up his dockers on a weekly basis. Like there's other options. This rules. Why are other kids not watching it? Right. I mean, Tommy goals. It's it's open Houston. John Eastern was 23 under this weekend. Did you see that? That's how reigning I got in the game like a nice guy. He's really good. Steve flesh. Yeah, you know what? Cool. Steve flesh. Exactly. That's where I'm just like I don't know know what the end, the end plan is because like Tiger Tiger was about

like as big of a unicorn as you could ever get in this sport and They fucked it all up. Fucked it all up. They they haven't cabized but but part of that's like I don't know where you go from Tiger, right? Like where are you supposed to go from there? I don't know I don't know and maybe listen, maybe the live folks have all the ideas. Maybe they've won. Like, I'm ready to admit anything. I truly do not care. I'm just fascinated to see what happens. I, uh, I'm sorry, it sounds like the, like the, the gist of the SI article is that can't lay 400 alliance with the cat, Jordan, and you know, rain group and some other advisors coming in and that could be kind of the the mule schism there.

A lot of that's leaking out or a lot of that's percolating across the organization and that's where the backlash is and My question there is like this whole six votes. Hey, we're gonna vote as a block Like what happens if they they just straight up can't get to an agreement on anything like that's what that's like Peter Mollnotti and web Simpson and Charlie Hoffman are like, you know what we vehemently fundamentally disagree with you. Like, what do you do? Just in perpetuity, not vote. We try. I think as we tried, guys, we're gonna go, we're gonna go do this global tour thing.

We tried. We did everything possible to do this with you guys and we cannot support you anymore. Yeah, I think if there's people voting that, yeah, I don't know, I guess what, it's hard to know like without knowing what the deals are that are on the table that they can, they could take, right? But it really seems like with today's announcement just kind of like tying a full circle is, I don't know, if you say no to that, if you

try to cut these guys out or something like that. It just really seems like you're just shooting yourself in the foot. As as our guy Bob ball chimed in yet out in Portland. That's a good question. I don't know. Randy, I know you don't want to talk about this, but this isn't just specific to men. I mean, the LPGA LET merger vote was called off

specifically because there is a deal put forth by PIF. For people who are interested, we're about to start tomorrow. And we're doing LPGA podcasts tomorrow. It'll come out next week. We'll run down all of this, but this is not just specific to men's golf. This is affecting women's golf as well. this is affecting women's golf as well. For sure. Yeah, we've heard, you know, maybe the PIF with the L.E.T. and

Suzy Waley at the head, like, there could be a global women's tour coming too, which again, okay, but what... I don't begrudge the rest of the world wanting, like, the best professional golfers to come and play in their country. Like, I totally, totally get that. That is very reasonable to me. I guess I just struggle with how they're ever going to match up the expenses and the cost to like what this vision is. And what's going to make it a more enticing product for the viewer. It's going to be a benefit factor to golf is the question, right?

Is it? Yeah, is it sugar daddy golf? Like that's what like live adelaide was a smashing success that's sugar daddy golf. Like the economics of that are taken care of by Prince Mohammed bin Salman. That's how that works. And the LPJ is already more of a global tour. So I actually think they're positioned well to create a European swing, create a, you know, go down to South Africa, whatever. Australia would be a great stop for a few weeks.

I have no problems with any of that, but I just don't, okay, we have this global tour, men's women's hide, like five, 10 years. Aren't we gonna be dealing with the same exact problems? Like the broadcast sucks. People aren't really with the ratings state, like I just don't understand what the end goal is with all of this, except

to get Yosser membership at a Gus though. Like let's just get him the membership. It's so funny too that they're doing all this while at the same time, like destroying all this and like intrinsic value, right? Like they're turning people off. They're, they're, you know, like they're just like people are fleeing ratings. That's right. That's why I keep coming back to you is, you know, I'm sure I've said this on the pod. Apologies if I have, but the like the biggest asset that the PJ tour has is not any of these

individual players other than Tiger your Rory, Spieth, Phil, a couple of guys that like are have been the, you know, oh my god, I got to get home and turn on the TV type of guys. There's not that many of them. The biggest asset that they have is just that it's on CBS or NBC at three o'clock on a Sunday afternoon. People don't really give a fuck about anything other than that. And they kind of just want to have that muscle memory. I've used this example many times internally and maybe on here, but like people do the same thing with NCIS, right? They they love watching NCIS at a certain time on whatever night it's on. Shout out to our guy Brian Deezon. Of course, if if Brian Deezon, the medical examiner is going to say, you know what guys, I'm actually I know you love this show.

It's a big part of your routine again on whatever night know what guys, I'm actually, I know you love this show, it's a big part of your routine, again, on whatever night it's on. I'm actually gonna leave. I'm gonna start my own show over here on this other streaming platform. I can't wait to see you guys there. I can't wait to upend your habits and have you come check it out. I just really don't think there's that many people going to do that. And I feel the same way about Pro pro golf. It's like, yeah, I'll watch it. That's on sweet, man. If you guys are in Australia, or you're in Japan, or you're in Ireland, or you're in South Africa,

or wherever, I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna love to look at the stats and see who did what. There's probably another, you know, couple hundred thousand people that feel the same way that I do. Are there 20 million people that feel that way? No, dude, what are we talking about? What's the upside of this?

It's golf, do your point, Randy. It's just fucking golf. And it's in like, if they are doing that, that's never gonna look sexy. I'm a massive proponent of world tour, play more in Australia, play more in, you know, the real child, all that like being golfers. But it's, you know, but it's one of those things where

where you play in Australia, like those time zones get tricky, right? The TV product is tricky. Schedule gets tricky. Like, you know, there's a lot of challenges. And that's where I do think there's certain elements of sponsorship gets tricky. Yeah. And taxes, taxes, yeah, with live, you know, where it's like, you know, like I get the reason why the PG at tour looks the way it does and looks it's unimaginative as it does, but that doesn't

mean that, you know, but but also I do think there's ways that they can, you know, go back to what we talked about with PGL three years ago, right? It's like that part of the reason that they, like that proposal was so positive, I think, was because you're drawn from, like, worldwide marketing budgets, right? You know, Coca-Cola is the out, like, companies that don't really want to sponsor or spend a bunch money in golf right now, because it's so siloed

in the individual markets, you know? But, like, I think F one is a lot easier to market across the world because it's an hour and a half race or a two hour thing. And you can one day on one day, you know, granted you got qualifying, but like on one day, and you can, you can fit that into a certain window or time the race up or whatever where golf is not as malleable and I think that's probably part of the reason why live looks the way it does with 48 players in the shotgun start and you know a four-hour window and you know kind of easily digestible like that right. The other part I know we're going in circles here but like

the other part rainy just to continue kind of lifting up your point here is, let's say that we somehow, you know, get a product that has the potential to draw all these people in. We're still not even talking about the majors. Like that's a whole other thing. We're not even talking about the most important event still. That's exactly right.

Totally on a different page. And it's just, yeah, it it's just I don't know. I Don't think we've talked honestly enough About how again we were enormous fans of like this extremely well put together like plan for the future of Professional golf that had almost everything thought of had media buyers ready like buy up the ad spots had the enterprise value Just kind of need to be checked on by You know looked at by the PGA tour and how hard The Saudis just lee Roy jikens this thing like literally just took the plan and instead of like the following the one guiding north star

Like we need the top 48 guys. I was like no, we're just gonna get whoever we can get and Starve out the gold we want and this is how we did it up here like it we have not the ogle tree Properly reflected on that like that was a outrageous move Leer on J.K. And he's worked his ass off T.C. a little respect. Yes. He has you like all right We've worked an hour and a half into this thing. Can we talk about the trades? No.

I want to go back. I'm serious, dude. Like, it's crazy. You got three got you line and killer gooch. Cody, cut me. Cut me. I got nothing for the goats. Smash in the aces.

Oh, both of those guys, but for all three of those teams already. And then like the Harold Varner trade today, I don't know. I just, I don't quite get it. Like, I don't, I don't understand what the range of goats are doing. And I don't understand what your cleaks are doing. They're just sitting on their hands. So is it does Rob have a new team or is he taking over the cleaks because you're trying to talk a question.

I think I thought he was going to take over the cleaks personally. And I know these. I think that it sounds like they may they may start two new teams. Do you think there's anything to these rumors about about Hatton or about Big Tone? Hatton, Hatton. Everybody should go. Why doesn't everybody go? That's what I don't get.

Following the logic of everything I laid out in the like whatever, the second third of this podcast, where it's like they're probably gonna come back together. Anyways, you know, this year's kind of a watch, you might as well. I don't know that they're gonna offer that many contracts to people, but I guess they're gonna offer that many contracts people

But I guess they're playing for big ass purses. I was gonna say wait at some point like doesn't like I feel like yossard almost doesn't need to Write big checks now I think you got these guys that are over there. You can get Duffner and fucking strut in the rest of the knuckleheads that are over there Now they got a qualified dog. I said that's their whole way into world record points. God, we should just go. We should just go be. You know, these guys. What does a max go? Why? You know, I'm sure max could get what 75 million? Well, no, they're not. Why would they, you know, again, it all follows the assumption that like they're they're not trying to be their own breakaway thing and they're just trying to come back together anyways.

But like even just getting into the events, just getting onto a team, even with no signing bonus, you're playing for way, but you're playing for $20 million every week. Yeah, that's the Gooch plan, right? Exactly. Who will be, quote, the next Gooch TC. Rob did help us in one way.

Like if we ever want to flip, like you can just do it, no matter what you said, you can just go, you can just flip at the end. Yeah, just flip over. Yeah. Totally. What do you guys see? You're right, though. I just realized how the fuck did kept going Gucci and up on the same team? The best players in the league. And then you got a little labor. The trade. Bubba said, I believe, too, who is that to wrap up for today? Like this trade makes a lot of sense. D. M. It's a culture fit. Yeah, it's a culture fit, I think. How many? Yeah, yeah. And they got GMAC now. I mean, GMAC's terrible, but like, you know, you got coke rack. I mean, I think yeah, they were up against the Kaplan. That's why they had to sign GMAC. I'm guessing. But I'm seeing a lot of people in the comments you're saying that Adam Scott's gonna go the rippers

Okay, he's on board of the G-Toy that'd be tough Yeah, what do you guys think Yeah, roms and Delaware too pack. Yeah, sorry. What do you guys think of Rob's team names gonna be I thought people were floating los toros But Rob's team name is going to be. I thought people were floating Los Tauros. Los Tauros. Whatever we think it is, just Los Carnaceros.

Divided by like 10 degrees of dumbness and I'm sure that will be much closer. I'll tell you what you really burn it all down. Omar, you're rusty. Los Topus. All of third right now champion. All right. That'll do it. That's it. The Omar, you're Resty part of the show is time. It's time to hold on. I got one guy's how is blocking not home involved yet. I just want to point this out that live. They tried to do a funny thing on social and put out,

you know, this word. They unfortunately they spelled John's first name wrong. So when you found it, it just, it just couldn't help themselves. Yeah, but they didn't spell John Doe wrong. That's true. So that's interesting. Second, I think everybody saw this and they're like, oh, I called it. It was on the podcast. This was, this Max's tweet, uh, imagine if Rahm announces this in a live golf letter moon jacket. Uh, I, I, I would say anybody who didn't realize that Max clearly must have seen a screenshot of this, like, you don't wonder if fucking newly came in and took over this version. Like, good God, guys.

I have a, I have. I have a little pride. And this is the best to me the day. Can you do the one picture, the skinny picture of him just to stand there with his head tilted back? Yeah, this one was the catch that came to mind was, hey, my friend over there thinks you're cute. And then this is the friend. Oh, John. This is what this is we got. Yeah.

Of course, more lemon love. T.C. I'm sure you covered this big night for the Mara school, though, with, with Brett getting the exclusive bro bear. Yeah. Yeah. For our mayor school. Solidized friend from burning trees. That's right.

I'm not a school. Solid and I is friend from Burning Tree. That's right. Right. Randy Bret Bear is one famous media personality. Ernie Johnson also went to Marist. I like her. I like her. The third media guy that they went to Marist

that I think blows both the amount of water. David Hasselhoff. But he got the hawk. He got expelled. Really? Yeah. all right coach Thing TC you you must have seen the Scott Pelley quantum computing 60 minutes. No, I've watched it. I have

I'm gonna open up all alone in his element. I'd live for segments like Keith or Scott I always can never of course. thank you to our friends at robot. Thank you to everybody tuning in for this special emergency live show breaking down the signing of young John Rom to the live golf league. Anything else you guys. I might make the the inside out hoodie my calling card. This is a wet brand. Did you notice that he's wearing his real back hoodie inside out? Who is wrong? No TCS. Oh, it's an analogy. I got that dog inside me and it and outside.

He also teased the dog log even more the dog like even more subtle. He also teased the fact that he played golf with his personal hero. But we have to hear about that at a different time. Thank you. We're not going to hear about it now. We're going to forget to come back to that. Or have we mentioned the poor LPGA? Like is anybody going to be care about the Grand Thornton starting tomorrow? Like the poor LPGA cannot catch a break.

I feel like every time something big is around the corner, we just get this massive live news, and it just totally eats up whatever the LPGA is doing. It's wild at no time. Well, you know what? We have a whole LPGA pod tomorrow. That's right. It's digging on it and everything.

I'll just say this, Spencer Levine, he was awesome. He was, he's in town, he's getting ready for Q school next week, PGA tour Q school, which I think is gonna be actually pretty interesting to watch. They're giving five cards away for the first time. Is it at the first? Forever. It's at Saagras and it's at Valley course

and Saagas Country Club. But yeah, Spencer, he was flushing it. He's got such a positive, optimistic outlook on life these days. He couldn't have been more gracious. Like they say, don't meet your heroes, but I was, he was awesome. It was, oh, Richard Gears in the chat.

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